The Steve Dangle Podcast - Cross-Check | March 14, 2022

Episode Date: March 14, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the Leafs lose to the Sabres outdoors in Hamilton (00:00), how many games will Auston Matthews get for cross checking Rasmus Dahlin in the head (30:00), it was great to see sdpn fans at the Heritage Classic (51:00), Bunting or Seider for the Calder? (53:00), the Russian government is using the KHL for war propaganda (1:02:00), Scott Hall is being taken off life support (1:15:00), we have an announcement! (1:25:00), is Sergei Bobrovsky a Hall of Famer? (1:31:00), testing Steve's Leafs memory (1:38:00), and the Auston Matthews suspension news breaks! (1:54:00). Originally aired: March 14, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/JtQyQPq4BKM Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE https://www.edmunds.com/ https://www.workable.com/ https://betterhelp.com/sdp https://athleticgreens.com/SDP Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

i'm tired i'm so tired that's too dang bad yeah it's it's it you know what um uh outdoor games when it's minus 10 surprisingly uh exhausting and i didn't even work you two worked i didn't work it was great yeah oh yeah you were doing some molson stuff yeah i was doing social for molson it was very fun bit of an influencer boy and time i got there at 11 30 and we did almost all our work before the game and then there was the game i wore snow pants for like 12 hours were you warm were you too warm for most no no i was definitely not too warm um and i i had been outside for too long you ever no matter how you dress there's a threshold and your body's like all right you're cold now yeah like you're cold permanently until you're uncold um that was

right around second intermission yeah i was just freezing out the third and the vibe in the audience was weird because we were all actively cheering for being colder for longer yeah come on overtime come on over time yeah but also uh we won't be too sad in a way that's got to be good for your system i think i think i think spending a day in the cold is good in the way that an ice bath is good for you you know i think our muscles today are a lot fresher and they're uh they're feeling better you know that ice bath does that yeah yeah no it's it's uh proven to promote recovery of your muscles you think patrick marlo's wrong no you know what who am i to uh who am i to say no to the all-time games leader no one that's who that's right you're right you're

right you're right honestly i felt like the best part of yesterday was willow smith am i am i wrong in that better than the game i was impressed that she played like a full set yeah she played a lot we were expecting i thought it was gonna be three songs and she's out like 10 minutes and then boom but and you guys were down there yeah yeah she played like what seven songs ish yeah it was a lot yeah and jesse had the mvp hookups uh yeah uh and he was he was we were streaming jesse had his phone out and streamed willow on tiktok while we were at the willow thing streaming on tiktok so like i pulled up the live feed that the nhl was broadcasting yeah oh are we in the are we in the shot but the the jib was swinging above us so we weren't in the shot at all yeah i was okay

with not being in the shot i didn't want to block it yeah yeah yeah i was worried about me blocking the camera i i knew i would either see you very clearly in the crowd or not at all oh man there's a topic there tall and at a concert what happened to you but it was great and i think i think um i mean alessia car was great so you know the arkells had to make an appearance it's hamilton death taxes the arkells that's the canadian experience mess kerman was he was there and i think you know like the game was i have to say the first period was sort of sloppy the second period i was in line and missed all the goals um which really fucking sucked by the way i i loved hamilton loved the like the stadium's really cool and stuff but clearly not meant for

the amount of people that were there because you have like right besides the concession stands i want you to imagine any football stadium you've ever been in that's outdoors every time you see a bathroom it's a it's a excuse excuse me for saying this but it's like a trough that you pee right it's just a big long sink and they had one toilet outside one toilet just one there were men and women there were more toilets in the parking lot that i parked in yeah i think the reporter i should have i should have walked 10 minutes to the porta potty i wouldn't have spent half an hour in line but i met an sdp listener there from a couple of them from newfoundland they just come in to see the game and a guy from hamilton as well really nice people and that sort of thing

We had a good chat and kind of the second period I was just I was happy and then I was sad and I was happy and I was sad. And then it was eight minutes left. And that's when I got back to the seat. You saw three goals and they were all for the Sabres. I know it was my fault. It was my fault. The first period was funky because when it's snowing, it's so hard to skate. It's difficult to move the puck and skate and get around.

So I figure like the first the first period has got to be a wash. Like it doesn't count because outdoors it's snowing. Like how you play NHL hockey. and then the second period really got picked up and it got going because the snow went away because the snow went away no more flurries and then it was a good game it was entertaining there's a lot of storylines i love that coming out of it um but yeah not the great performance by the league well and i that you can notice too the passes are not as crisp the blue line entries aren't as good at the beginning of the game we mentioned no one's gonna block a shot because yeah that's gonna hurt

and i wish they maybe had um so i think the first thing you want to take away from this i know everybody wants to talk about matthews but as a leaf fan my my concern coming out of this is going to be the third goal where marazic literally lets it in you know from his own red line fourth goal is bad too fourth goal is bad too but let's start with the third goal because that's where the bad started before that marazic had just made a really nice glove save remember but he's like, our section was all like, Peter! You ruined it. I ruined it?

Yeah, because you're like, he needed that. Well, I thought he was getting good crowd support. Yeah, he needed to hear the support from the fans, and then he let in, like, two staggeringly bad goals. You also blame the Brody skate goal on Mrazik a little. So I've had a chance to re-watch it. Yeah. So obviously Brody kicks it in.

Yeah. And it's from, like, the skate that's furthest from the net, too. it's an unbelievable kick it's just i still looked at marazic there i'm like okay a teammate kicked it towards you you probably weren't expecting that also why are you standing there it's ultimately not his fault but why are you standing there i'm uh an unbelievable amount of the time i'm like why are you standing there he doesn't he's he's a guy wearing pads and there happens to be a net somewhere behind him goal three though steve yelled it out in the crowd and everybody kind of looked at steve because steve's got a booming voice i don't know

he just said hug the post like why doesn't he hug the post because that's all you have to do as soon as well because i mean it's not like i got like superman vision like i saw where the shot came from and i saw that it was a goal and i'm like okay there's only one spot that could have gone in and it's not going to be very impressive and then and then we saw the replay You stink. Yeah. And then the second time, I thought Peter Morazic was in the net as the puck went in. I didn't realize that it just went straight through him.

It was like, honestly, you know those mini-putt courses where there's the thing that's, there's like the windmill that's swinging, and then the golf ball has to go through. The Abe Lincoln with the mouth that opens and closes? Yes. From the Simpsons? That's what that felt like. It was just, it kind of just, it went off. It seemed like it went off his chest and then dribbled through his pads

and then into the back of the net somehow. They're not NHL goals. Like, the game was fine, and the Leafs were undone by their veteran NHL goalie, allowing two non-NHL goals. What do you think about, because Kyle Dubas made comments before the game to Elliott Friedman about their goaltending issues. So, you know, he said Kyle acknowledged that Jack was injured, obviously, which is a bummer.

And then he said, you know, Morazic's played 300 games, and he's been a 9-10 goalie most of the time. Yep, he's right. he's right what what else did he say did he say he's not worried i don't think he did say that did he say that he's been the worst goaltender in the entire national i don't think he mentioned that either no because i was about to say oh good people lie too i don't know if he lied i think he just stated facts that didn't answer the question which is what you're supposed to do if you're in this position sounds like i get this is leaf fans here's here's i think a big issue here leaf fans

are not um they have not gotten accustomed to peter marazic um like the worst start imaginable barely plays you know constantly hurt last year constantly hurt he's always had these bad tendencies like you know getting flyers and hurricanes fans in my mentions like oh yeah his foot get ready get ready oh where he is on the post red wings fans getting in on that too okay he's always had a goofy stupid style and it but it all comes out in the wash he'll allow one or two dumb ones and hold the fort make some pretty athletic saves and at the end of the day no matter how he does it um you know he still comes up with a save percentage somewhere between 905 and 915 is basically his whole career somewhere between

between a little bit below average to a little bit above average. That's an average goalie, isn't it? And that's all the Leafs really needed. And that's, you know, you can look at the free agent deal he made. In free agency, that is the kind of money that gets you league average goaltending. But we're not getting that. No, we're not. And, like, he had – it has to be between the ears because he was not this bad.

like we're these past two games have been non-option games um you know okay so the first period's a wash in the outdoor game well that would favor marazic wouldn't it you know and then the third and fourth goals were really really bad the first goal is such a backbreaker though you just score everyone's everyone's going you scored 40 seconds into the second you allow one right away like in terms of that's the sort of goal we would criticize for a goalie whose bar isn't so low right now and but the bar is the third and fourth goal well we're just looking for him to not allow those i i uh i thought it was interesting seeing your reaction both of you finally saw the wayne simmons clip from last thursday in the car last

night on the drive home finally got to see it and and i mean it's telling right like i mentioned this on the last show but wayne simmons says uh jesus fucking christ is what he says i think he says are you fucking oh is that what it is okay yeah yeah they're not neither is good neither is good and i think the thing the thing is is that like okay people are like well you know camp will be back in a week and a half it's only a few games what's the big deal well first off boston's now two points behind them. They had the opportunity to get closer to Florida

and to Tampa. They didn't take it in the way that maybe they should, although they did outscore some of their problems and get some points where maybe they shouldn't have in the last few weeks.

Totally. Totally get that. But forget, forget that Jack Campbell's back. Let me ask you this. It's game four, second period in the first round.

Doesn't matter what the series is at. Okay, let's say it's 3-1 or 2-2 or whatever it is. And Jack Campbell makes a save, normal save, but winces and goes down in pain. And then you see him trying to stretch it over over the commercial break. And then you see him skate to the bench and you see Peter Morazic's helmet comes on.

How are you feeling at that moment? Horrible. Right. And this is what I, you know, how could the Leafs not do anything at the deadline? Easily. I think they could easily not do something at the deadline because

at some point you have to look at your situation and just go can we afford to do all of this you know if it's weird we acknowledge that it's weird Morazic is this bad I mean I said it to

Jesse in the parking lot Morazic could be right back to form next year next week probably not No, I think this year is enough. I don't know. I don't know about this year. I've wanted him to be good this year.

You have... The Leafs have a budget here. Like, that's what the cap does, is they... Here's a budget. We have a budget of assets, and we have a budget of cap space. You know, you want to get a defenseman.

You want to get a left winger. You want to get a goalie. Well, I know you only have a budget for... Two of those things, max. Max. And you're not going to get a great option at either of the two. You can do a really good job on one of them, bet on yourself at forward,

and then what are you spending big on? Goalie or defender? Dude. The defense is kind of settled. I think the defense is fine. I think it's settled a little in that we can blame the goaltender for the mistakes yeah and that it's not hey uh that got through to marazic because of a poor play by justin hall it was that was a bad goal that led in by the goaltender i would argue the

goaltending has been so bad it's made the defense impossible to evaluate yes i agree with that that's how bad it is i because i mean geez teams are gonna allow scoring chances man like every team does no matter how much of a gem they're playing and they're all going in yeah how are we supposed to evaluate the team when there's only one month this season when they had over 900 save percentage so how many games they got before the deadline three i think so they got tuesday thursday saturday yeah tuesday thursday saturday i tell you what shalgren starts all three because okay if you've i wouldn't be surprised if the leafs are leaning towards what adam is saying whereas this year marazic is that's a write-off we just have to write it off if you have already

made up your mind on marazic you have to immediately evaluate shalgren if you like what you see in those three games good that's what it is if you don't then maybe you have to go out and do something i think we see a move in goaltender before saturday's game i think shalgren gets tuesday maybe even thursday we see maybe marazza goes back in for the hurricanes but then dubas probably make something before saturday because we were after the game one thing we're talking about is how dubas makes reactionary moves all the time yep he sees a thing and then he goes out and he does something about it and this seems like an instance where it's clear enough to everybody and you don't mean that in a negative way a lot of people when they say reactionary they mean it as

a negative connotation no where there's a enough built-up evidence and then there's a clear game where that evidence comes through and it breaks and hey the defense sucks here let me go get labushkin the the goaltending sucks let me go get the jack campbell train originally from la and here there's something clear here where marazic's not going to work out in the long term especially if adam's theory comes through that just he's never going to put it together so you need to get at least something out there but what is that thing is it braden holpe is it uh forsberg in ottawa you know so uh there's really only a hand less than a handful of options the ottawa senators are always forgotten about as a trade partner for the leafs but for divisional

rivals they make deals together a lot they do yeah uh they make deals together a lot the financial situation of both teams seems to be a match in a lot of cases whereas the leafs can the leafs can take care of some of ottawa's problems um and ottawa can take care of some of the leafs um sneaky there i think part of the reason we look at ben charot um as a non-option is just we can't picture it like we have seen the leafs and habs make deals before and every time it was icky and i don't like took me a while to like warm up to like grabowski even um placan it's every time he put on a leaf jersey i'm like that's dumb that's stupid please stop that like oh and he's and they made him shave what what is this monstrosity you've created lou um it just

it's so hard for me to picture uh deal with ottawa i think makes some sense interesting it's just if i'm dorian i'm not giving up forsberg i bring i sign him to an extension now and i bring him back next year what about the air mcguire though yeah what do you do then you're thinking like a regular general manager this is ottawa senators do not have a regular situation they're broke like they got to commit to one guy um decide if it's forsberg or gustafson and figure out how on earth you get rid of matt murray yeah the the matt murray contract might cost them a really good goalie in anton forsberg like because that's it's 6.25 million dollars until 2024 off season so two more years after this 6.25 and for ottawa that's a lot of money

for a team that plays with their own internal cap or they're not spending to the limit i think there's potentially a match there yeah i believe they're gonna have to give up something they don't like but I think there's potentially I'd send a first to the moon yeah I think you got to do it I think you got to do it I think you got it like you see here's the thing it's not that Jack Campbell isn't the starter or that he that he isn't good it's it's that Merazic

is having an off year and like I said to Jesse in the parking lot like I say it to you now he could be good again next year but it's like Bobrovsky right when he's bad in Florida Florida's bad well so now if the Leafs do get Forsberg and they have an intention to extend him

so you're gonna extend Forsberg you have to get rid of Morazic and it's probably not going to be a great deal for you you're probably going to have to like attach something to that rocket to make it fly and then there's Campbell who's a UFA and how on earth do you gauge what that deal is I have to tell you I think I think that they they got to be sweating it him and his agent yeah have to be sweating it because the way he started the season he was looking like a six seven million dollar goaltender no leaf has spent more money this season than jack campbell yeah and and i wonder you know the way he talks in press conferences and i i don't know maybe i'm deducing too much

from a press conference but do you not get the sense that the guy's just too damn hard on himself yes like and i don't mean to say that as a homer like if you're a non-leaf fan you're probably rolling your eyes right now go watch a clip of jack campbell in those press conferences and tell me that's not somebody who's self-talk which is a real thing yeah is not too negative i he has all the talent but man when he gets down on himself it's it's sad to watch it's hard to watch and i love him it's a problem like marazic i can understand why he would feel bad right now he's had some bad performances and he's getting it like he's sort of not loudly but audibly getting like bronx cheers he's getting like even the glove save he's getting some like sympathy cheers like

hey that's great i could understand jack campbell i mean gets nothing but love in this city and it's because he deserves it but he's got a team that's got to win the cup that's that's forget the first round the team has to win the cup and he's got no contract next year and he knew like here's the thing the way dubas does deals this is what i'm i'm this is a i'm questioning this i don't know if this is true the way dubas does deals how does dubas do extensions what does he normally do them ahead of time either way ahead of time or at the last minute way ahead of time yeah i can guarantee i can 99.9 without actually knowing anybody or talking any sources this comes from nowhere but my brain jack hamill and his agent were offered a contract this year and they said no and they

said no we're gonna wait it out and it's not there anymore exactly because how could it be if you gave to me jack campbell's now worth peter marazic's contract because we've had one month this year of over 900 goaltending if you think i'm nuts remember that this and this is here's how i would go into negotiation and i love jack campbell career backup has had one and a half good seasons dude i i think it was around the all-star game And I want him to succeed. I want him to win the Cup. So don't think that I'm turning on Jack Campbell here.

Around the All-Star game, I said something that got me torched. And I was talking about a Leaf goalie move then. Like, you got to make a decision here. And the situation has deteriorated so far from when I suggested, I don't think this is good enough. Maybe they should make a move. And I was talking about Jack. what if the question steve is you know we keep talking about how do you trade peter morazic

what if you trade jack dude like welcome back welcome back to the discussion from a month ago like i think they need to strongly consider it if you can solve your goaltending move with that yeah enough enough of this own rental shit but okay who's trading for jack campbell like a team that's a team that's that's potentially looking at a a really good guy in the dressing room a good culture guy good guy has had a lot of success with a good team a team who's not heading towards the playoffs yeah i that's who i would say like if i'm chicago oh i might take a look at yeah if you send mark andre flurry somewhere and then you just need a goaltender why not just take a flyer on jack campbell you're not playing for anything and i'm not and there's

a guy that you could you who's a nice fun guy to have where everybody loves jack camp and there's a chance dubas makes that move and kills it and they win a couple rounds or even the cup there's also a chance he looks like a fucking idiot so but then so here's my question to you if if it's if it's camp like let's just say it's a campbell versus a flurry and you flip them are you are you taking the guy who's never won a playoff round are you taking the guy that's won a few stanley cup yeah you like it depends how the leafs organization views this season um they have to view this as going for right oh man they have no draft picks what are you like what else is this you're viewing it in the context of history which is something you can't ignore and people

way too often ignore it but i'm putting on my robot hat and just looking at this individual season is this the season to go for it um dude they're not getting better they look at in context of history as well i think they got they know they know the last time they won a round that stuff matters i think they're going well steve this is the more the more pressure this team faces the more they wilt so although you know i wouldn't say that i wouldn't say that steve look at look at the way austin matthews has performed and that's a guy who was accused of wilting in the playoffs last year yeah but that was never correct that was never correct but that's what but that was the criticism mitch marner had the same criticism both both those guys on that line

looking at what they've done under the pressure this year it's the regular season like okay they performed well in the regular season but that's all we have to go on with this year's team it was a criticism of matthews heading into the 2019 playoffs then he scored five goals in seven games And then because the Leafs lost that series, no one cared that he did that. So, like, what's a shame is over the past few years, we've had a number of very good playoff performances from the Leafs. But they all just get... Never all together.

Yeah, they all get completely forgotten. And that's actually a really good point, too. One person, like, Willie had five and seven last year. Willie was unreal. He wasn't the greatest in others. Matthews wasn't the greatest last year. It was unreal in others. they've gotten great goaltending that stole them games they've gotten really poor goaltending and

that's like within series here so last year coming out of the deadline i took a look at tubas's performance and i went you know what hindsight will dictate how good this deadline was and hindsight does not look on it favorably but i remember at the time going i don't know what i would have done differently there was the taylor hall conversation maybe you could have gone there but Nick Foligno healthy seemed like a really really really good match for the team and if they take Foligno and Tavares

all the way through that series against Montreal a healthy Foligno and Tavares all the way through that series I still don't think there's a chance Montreal comes out of it I don't but shit happens and they lose this year heading into the deadline

last year was I don't know what I would do differently this year is I don't know what I would do I don't know what I would do. I think it's easy. You get a goalie. You have to get a goalie. They better not.

Then you go with the worst, easily the worst defense out of the three Atlantic teams. They better not bring Muzzin back. If you leave Muzzin out, that opens things up. For the deals that we're asking for, if you leave Muzzin out, there's a whole host of things you can do. You can do the defense and the goalie. Absolutely. That $5.3 million, I think it is, $5.625, that's enough to get something done on both

sides yeah it's it'd be a detriment to the team to bring them back early i'm loving watching earl schwartz tear his hair out just trying to figure out the math of the leafs cap situation heading into the deadline because i have no idea um i mean they can't they certainly can't go into penalty for next year i don't i don't know what this team is thinking i mean you're kyle dubas all right um you're um you're six weeks out from the trade deadline or something like that and you're like all right i got one of the best offenses in the league i got a guy who's competing for the heart trophy mitch is playing his best hockey of his career morgan riley is making me look like a genius with this contract extension i have an all-star goalie i know i'm going into

the deadline and i'm getting a defenseman and that's my one move and we're gonna have a really good shot at this and now it's six weeks later and you're like what the fuck do i do i say it's It's still get a defenseman, maybe get a goaltender. I think you can break it down very simply. Yeah, I agree with you. The deals aren't complicated either in that you just need two pieces. Yeah, but will they be? I think you're underselling how difficult it is to do two moves instead of one

and have those two moves be good. You know what I mean? No, but you never know about the deals, how they're going to play out. No. It's saying, oh, they're going to be good deals or bad deals. We'll see in the playoffs. so that's when we'll determine whether they're good or bad deals no you're right and i think in the moment you just make the deal and then you see in april if it's a good deal but what i'm

saying is we were talking about like some big names on d sure and unless the move is very large larger than we're currently anticipating alex kerfoot is on the fourth line what's that all about there's some more money you can move yeah so unless they get really creative all the big names we've discussed i think you can throw out the window i don't think it was ever i was never on the the ban that it needs to be a big big name defenseman like you i don't the top nice yeah it'd be nice but like you're looking at four through six that's what you want in terms of d you don't need somebody in the top three you're okay there plus the muslin coming back for the playoffs i think that's what they should do like that's another added piece to your fence that's going

to stable a little and then you get somebody who's going to play it probably in your fifth defense slot and then you're good and then you have jack campbell in a week and a half plus new goalie to compete for that i like that there's a real stable situation here for the least they're falling down the standings a little bit i think they're like all the way back in eighth in league standings but it's still a very good team and it's tight it's very tight they're going to be in the playoffs they're going to have a round one matchup either versus florida or tampa and it's going to be competitive and i think if you get a defenseman if you get a goaltender to tandem with jack hamill for the rest of the year you have a solid chance at winning four out of seven

i mean listen the leafs team as it is a chance of winning four out of seven they've been doing it all year you know winning the majority of their seven game stretches but they're taking on some real good teams when they get there man trade ice skating at nathan phillips square for ice cubes in your umbrella drink let porter airlines fly you from toronto pearson non-stop to 10 top sun destinations in mexico the caribbean and costa rica enjoy award-winning porter service toronto has loved for 20 years and start your vacation as soon as you're on the plane book your sunny getaway today at flyporter.com and actually enjoy economy let's talk about uh the austin matthews rasmus dollion run in and the in the the pretty vicious cross check that

happened yeah so the question everybody wants this morning answered is you know he is going to get a call from the league is it a suspendable hit or not now we talked to mikey stevens yesterday and he's like, you guys forget that Foligno just launched his knee into somebody at warp speed and got $5,000. And Jake Voracek chirped that decision on Twitter too. Did he? Yeah, by posting an image of his hyper-extended knee. Like his knee bending the wrong way.

Yeah, fine him. I dare you. So, I saw Kelly Rudy's post-game comments, and he was talking about you have to suspend that. The NHL is cutting down on cross-checks. My question to you first is not will he, should he? Okay, so this is, I was such a good boy yesterday. I didn't tweet about this at all.

Because now I get to talk about this in all its glory in more than 280 characters on my podcast. It's a beautiful thing, isn't it? Didn't I do so good? You did. You did great. It only took me to 34, but I figured it out. I learned. And 34 for Austin Matthews.

There you go. Okay. By the way, happy birthday this weekend. Thank you very much. we're ignoring, ahead of time, we're ignoring the context. Okay. We're ignoring everything we know about NHL decisions.

Right? Okay. Your question was, should he be suspended? Should he be suspended? Absolutely, 100%. Jesse, should, not will, should Austin Matthews be suspended? You should get a game for that, yes.

I, Adam Wild, also say that Austin Matthews should be suspended for that one game yeah uh you know cross check rode up his shoulder yeah sure i believe you uh i don't care it's dangerous we can't have the league with that now oh we've seen this before and we've seen this and we've seen that guys guys the question is do you want this in the nhl or not i think we can all agree that cross checks to the head and neck shouldn't be allowed no we don't want that we don't nobody wants that we don't want that now do we get to the discussion about consistency so this is so this is my next question it's not should it's will will austin matthews be suspended i go to you again steve i have no fucking clue

no idea the you know i don't want to be the leaf fan who goes what about this what about that what with it people um the most egregious one i got sent i don't know if it was from the regular season or playoffs i think it was from the playoffs um ben charotte cross checks wayne simmons and then um joel edmondson from at least half a dozen strides away cross checks wayne simmons right in the fucking head right in the head and i i think he might have been fine for it guys that cannot be in this league it's bad enough that fighting is allowed like that head trauma uh punching with gloves gets you a two minute penalty and on very rare occasions of suspension dylan larkin um but you can't you cannot if you constitute a hockey stick as a weapon which i

think you're within your rights to do you cannot hit someone in the head with a weapon you cannot hit someone in the head with an object you can't i love him he's my team's best player uh he's you know competing for mvp you can't do that you can't do that and the lead up to this jesse's got it playing right now doleen is screwing with him he's definitely screwing with him does doleen cross check him just I saw I saw oh yeah Darlene tried to cowbell him no he didn't no he didn't that's a stick lift there it is again shoves him down that's a stick lift and like I know some people wanted him to fight in that situation that beating up Rasmus Darlene wouldn't have made me feel better I think for a few seconds it would have been like all right Austin dropping the gloves

Oh, it's Darlene? Rasmus Darlene? What does that imply? Well, he's big. And he probably wins. He's tall. Oh, you mean... I don't think Matthews is winning that fight.

Are you joking me? Matthews has like 40 pounds on that child. All right. He would have beaten the brakes off him. You think so? I don't know. But also, I don't want my goal scorer, I don't want my team's best player and leading goal scorer

with his surgically repaired wrist getting into a fight with anybody. And I know, you know, this is the old Ken Reed adage, room, got to have a room. Listen, beginning, middle, and end, Matthews shouldn't be getting in a fight. God bless Michael Bunting right there, flying in. That's his role on that line.

When they're not scoring goals or trying to do better for their team, because they are one of the best lines in the NHL, Bunting should see the second Matthews is upset and fly in. I'm upset he didn't confetti gloves the situation. Just confetti gloves. just go nuts he did on dylan cousins later on he did on dylan cousins later on and by the way

what did i say last week i said there's it's two three four on one all the time and there was a situation i don't know if it was bunting or mckea but here comes tage thompson third third man in listen uh stop the honor stop the everything just be absolute brutes out there two on one three on one guys gloves off punch them you're allowed you're allowed in this league it's literally allowed and here's here's another observation here uh Leafs get pushed around and it's not getting called Nazem Kadri loses his cool gets suspended against the Bruins Jets are running around stuff's not getting called game gets out of hand Jason Spezza get suspended for doing something stupid it's very stupid yeah leafs are getting pushed around

they're losing this game i'm not even accusing the sabers of being dirty but they're getting pushed around and they're losing this game and they're embarrassed and matthews is probably going to get suspended here so this team i don't think you can change the physical the the the confrontation culture of this team by getting one tough guy they do not handle conflict well they're never the aggressor they never start it and they only seem to get involved when there's the red mist there and then you're suspended and then you're of no use because the ref the ref watched everything that darling did to matthews which i have to be honest with you in a hockey sense all of it was was a penalty right all it was it was a penalty the puck had moved on

it the puck was at center ice when all that happened when you watch that replay the puck is at center ice yeah so the so the ref is so it's it could be holding it could be interference it could be roughing it could be a bunch of different things but as soon as matthews retaliates you see that arm go up as soon as it happens so okay the thing i like least about that so a lot of that is just bumping and you know stick lifting and and net front battle which they are trying to crack down on the cross checks dalene i thought did a good job of uh avoiding uh doing something like that a cross check what i don't like is when he's essentially shoving matthews into the net that's what i'm talking about like you that's a penalty at that point yeah because he can't do

anything and like the goaltender cannot operate this is gonna if the leaves do end up scoring here it's going to result in a review of something surely so i thought it could have been called the the ref in the background dolly and hits him nothing dolly and hits him nothing dolly and hits him nothing here comes matthews hand goes up in the air um this team they don't have a good read of how the game is called so they just don't and and you know people who want the game called a certain way talk about it with a certain defeat in their voice like me i was listening to 32 thoughts because i i was behind on it on the way here and frege supposedly got lit up um a couple

games ago i didn't hear it i was working on my video um but fans were talking about the the non call from the coyotes game okay oh that would be the chikrin yeah they were talking about the week of non-calls the the three the trifecta that we had on friday and frege is like well what do you expect yeah and that's not frege being an old man frege has always been on the side of they should call more penalties star players should draw more penalties it's uh the nba allows their stars to flourish the nhl does not as the playoffs go on nba stars get better as the playoffs go on nhl stars get worse that's how it and that's why you can't have your best players making another first round like conor mcdavid and leon dry sidle they're not allowed to be themselves and so that's

what frege believes that's how he believes it should go but he's given up the fight on it ever changing and so have i so have i it's not going to change guys so the leafs need to cope with this better instead of hoping for change be the change because it's not going to change i think you should still criticize referees when they make bad calls i agree but it feels does it not feel like wasted air but that's uh like i'm i'm about hey i'm not gonna get a defeatist attitude about it i'm just hammering these referees you know like i'm not like i'm gonna accept the bad refereeing i'm gonna move on no if there's if there's egregious calls i'm gonna hammer them and i'm to do it every single time and it may never change and i'll be screaming till i can no longer scream

but i'm gonna keep doing that i'm gonna end the fight i have hitched my wagon and so have you and so have adam to a bad league it is no no no it's not a good one i disagree it's a bad league and it's not good no good leagues change when something's bad this is something that has always been and they don't change it it's bad badly but if if there may change it like i'm i'm asking for like simple change like a two minute report like that'd be a simple change just you won't get it maybe one day i appreciate your optimism jesse listen i i got x amount of years on this earth i've already used up 34 of them and uh i'm i'm done i give up i give up i think i think going at it at things would be like a finality like that'll never happen is a wrong way to go about

thing like there you have to leave room for a possible i also think that there's more change now in the last five years in the nhl because of fans being pissed off uh than there has been in the previous 20 i really do believe that where oh come on steve don't don't do that oh come on You said it. Give me an example. Everything from the social movements like BLM, we're actually having acknowledgement conversations about that, to actual rule changes too.

They were disappointing in that regard. I agree, but at least we forced them to do something. Look what happened with Kyle Beach. It was fans. It was people that watched the episode. It was the people that shared Rick West's. And I am not, by the way, not conflating the two. No, I know.

But to say that the NHL hasn't had to act due to its pressure from its fans, that's wrong. It's wrong. Adam. Steve. whenever they act it's half measures right but it's something oh is that the bar well you're saying nothing and i'm saying something yeah you are claiming that nothing will change i'm claiming that that's not true okay so i'll upgrade to something that might as well be nothing can we

meet there no i think that i think any change here is a good thing and i think the more you look you make this regime and this and this whole it's so bizarre the way that the nhl handles referees like Like when they were announcing the referees yesterday, I'm like, I don't know who the fuck these people are. And I think it's important when we're talking about judging a game that we know the refs as well as we know the players. I actually do. I think that's kind of crazy to, you know, people like, oh, who pays attention to the

ref? Well, if I knew the way a ref was going to ref a game, I could guarantee the players know their styles. Fans should know. The players know. Scouting the refs is such a great resource for that, right? The players know who's reffing the games and what kind of calls they'll get that night. A thousand percent.

They know them on their first-name basis, and they know what they're going into. And what I don't like and I don't appreciate is the fact that the NHL protects these people more than they protect Austin Matthews and Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin and all these other players. Sidney Crosby's been in the league since 2005. He's never complained. Sidney Crosby, he's never complained publicly. Come on.

Adam, how dare you? Has he really ever? To my face? I know he complains to the refs. Adam. Oh, well, yeah. So not in the media. Yeah, he's never complained in the media.

I think you guys are, that's something you guys are saying. I was like, whoa. No, no, no. Sidney Crosby's whole first seven years of his career, his whole thing was everybody called him a crybaby. That was his reputation. Those were the words that he complained to me. Best player in the world, whiner.

But he never takes it to the media because the NHL will find you and it'll make you look bad. Matthews didn't either. Matthews didn't either. But why? But he didn't. But I have a thing with that. Why can't you say, hey, the ref didn't have a good night?

If you say the ref didn't have a good night, it's a $25,000 fine. Why? so I should point out Gabriel did not get fined which I thought slam dunk he was very measured in the way he had his statement and I think he did a great job and that he avoided the fine kid gloves you know

you know whenever you criticize a ref you have to do it like you're bathing a newborn in the sink you do I agree with you and I think that's wrong and I think if we

if fans pushed for that more always been that way but but it wasn't you know here's the thing it wasn't that way in the nba and then it is and i think no no you still can't you can't go to the media and talk about refs you'll get fined the refs have to at least be accountable to the media yes yes but the players can't do it okay fair enough but at least the refs are accountable the fines are still the same way across right refs are accountable yeah though a little bit more anyway a little bit more of course so that's that's that's what i'm saying and i don't need the I don't need the players going, that fucking ref's an idiot. I don't need that.

I don't think that's important or constructive. They do that during play. They do. Okay, so I think we're getting away from the point here. Until the league makes a change, which I am skeptical of and you maintain an optimism for. If we push for it. Yeah. Until the league makes a change, which we can acknowledge they have not, the Leafs need to handle this differently.

they have to and in fairness to austin matthews i think they tried the other way okay ben charott's grabbing me i'm just gonna let him ragdoll me and i'm just not gonna say anything and not saying anything and not doing anything hasn't gotten him anywhere so now he screams now he screams you're a fucking joke right in their face and it's only gonna hurt him and he's gonna have to go back now now he's gonna go have to go back to doing nothing and maybe maybe when you come into the league here's a strategy maybe when you come into the league from the moment your feet touch nhl ice scream you're a shithead you're a fucking idiot you're a joke every penalty you take the first few games you should go out there and intentionally take a bunch of penalties and scream in the

referee's face that way you have somewhere to go because you can back it off hey he's a lot back it off and they go you know what he's matured matthews came in mature and they just thought he didn't speak and now he's screaming and now he's got to go back no when you get into the league call the ref every name you can um you know i don't disagree i don't disagree i think that's a good strategy it is a good strategy maybe maybe if you take a bunch of penalties it's not a great strategy for your coach and still he trusts in you it worked for sydney crosby did it not it did it did and mcdavid made the same mistake okay fair david made the same mistake i'm gonna be good about this i okay tell you what they're not gonna call anything i'm captain elbow

and it didn't work it super didn't work and now he's got to go backward so so with that in mind with that in mind there's a there's a lack of consistency enormous there is a lack of calls that go through and i'm going to finish it because we started with austin matthews and the cross check and the potential suspension right i think it's going to be a fine you think it's going to be fine i also think it's going to be fine i think he's going to get five thousand it should be one game it should be a suspension but i think it's five thousand for the precedent oh my god i hope he's i hope it's a game so then so i was going to ask you should he will he and then i'm going to ask you is it fair because we've talked about that a little bit but i wanted to ask

you, is it fair? Because, and I'm going to bring up a name because we've seen it a lot here in Toronto. Zidane O'Chara has made a career doing exactly what Austin Matthews did. And the excuse was, well, he's tall. So he cross-checks people in the neck because he's tall. I've seen Zidane O'Chara cross-check people in the neck. And by the way, I'm a big fan. I really like what he brings and I hope the Leafs get him before the trade deadline's up. I have to ask, is it like how are we gonna how are we gonna how are we gonna do this how do we quantify this whether this is actually fair or not because i get buffalo fans saying the fuck this guy should be suspended and i agree yeah but so shit so then should all of them yeah but what they do

with suspensions is sort of gaslight you and and you go well based on the past he shouldn't be suspended and then the nhl shows you the video of matthew's cross-checking dollying in the head and they go so you think this should be allowed and you're like what the that's not no you said this should be allowed and now you're saying it shouldn't the answer but they go oh so that is what you're saying yeah the answer to is it fair is uh yes on both sides or no on both sides depending on what you look at it because they're gonna manipulate whatever they hand out to their result you know if they if they come out with the fine they're gonna be like okay this is this is precedent we haven't find in other instances and if they come up with the suspension then i'll be

like ah you look at this this is a suspension so is it fair it's no or it's either yes they're going to make it up on either side yeah it doesn't really matter here here's my answer go everyone looking for fair grow up okay there's no fairness in their decision on a different subject the michael bunting calder conversation we pissed off two fan groups i pissed off two fan groups last week uh you guys were part of the first one you really weren't part of the second one so the first one is detroit fans they fucking hate us right now they do yeah they want more respect on mo cider's name yeah oh okay so hold on sorry hold on let me set this up okay fine the second thing is i pissed off buffalo fans because of the jack eichel thing and i was

riding the game with jesse and i thought you know maybe that jack eichel thing was poorly timed because if one of them sees me in the crowd they could easily throw a beer at my head now they didn't they were very nice but it easily could have happened right we had a sabers fan she's like i don't like you i blocked you on twitter she was very funny she was very hilarious well i've been walking out i go congratulations and she goes i unblocked you on twitter i thought that was very funny we didn't spend a lot of time on this but we saw we met a lot of fans at the hitters classic uh yesterday and it was really nice just to see people and like because it's been literally two years since we've been able to meet fans and that was it was the

best part of my day and and taking all those pictures i hope so it was most of your day so to the to the to the to the listeners that threw me down some hand warmers thank you there were some listeners like they saw me like from six rows above and they're like we see you got you rubbing your hands a lot whatever do you want some hand warmers i was like sure and then they gave them to me it was amazing here as long as we're doing this before the red wings yeah yeah you were freezing i wore snow pants because i'm smart you were wearing lulu lemons because you're idiot yeah jesse what happened to you oh yeah oh man well i was wearing jeans but uh i did the thing where you go up in the row behind you at a sporting event and then you while you hop over the

seat to get to your seat because there's people in the row ahead of you you don't want to make them stand up right so i hopped down to my seat and i ripped my pants did a long split down the side crotch to knee crotch yeah pretty much the knee and yeah but luckily i had a long coat on so it didn't really matter in terms of the sight lines. But yeah, it's that they're a little colder for the second half of the game. Yeah, you guys are both like, it's cold. It's true. It's true. So as a part of Kyle Dubas's, and we'll get to Sider in a second,

but I want to talk about Bunting first. As part of Kyle Dubas's pregame talk with Elliott Friedman, he said he was talking about Michael Bunting and whether or not really Michael Bunting deserved to be in the Calder conversation. And he said some things that I really didn't know. He said, my position as it pertains to Michael, his age, an older player who won the couple, not the Calder and, you know, is, you know, 23, 24. He said, normally, you know, I wouldn't necessarily think that this guy should be the Calder guy.

He said, essentially alluded to that. He said, he said, but normally if they're an older Calder winner, they've come from the KHL, right? Normally the last, that's a good point. And he said, Michael, if you look at the players he's contending with, I know they are four or five years younger than him but michael bunting until he was 17 years old played double a hockey yep wow some of those players when they were 17 years old were in the best developmental programs in the world and already playing professional hockey he made his triple a debut at 17 years old

and played for the team that finished second or last the year before uh we were lucky enough to find him at the sioux and bring him in and to me his path is not as fortuitous as others so certainly he did not have the exposure to development opportunities as some people did to me that should be taken into account now I'm with him on this one that whole paragraph was a setup

to say oh we do great in the soup yeah no I mean they did you know what though they did though you know what like Michael Bunting is like genuinely a wonderful story like for them except for the part where he said Michael had a very long way around to get here

And I think that should be taken into account. He's having a great year. Anyone who is trying to discount him just needs to be enlightened a little bit on his path. Now, I am going to say that all that is awesome. But to echo Steve's point from last week, the Calder is not about your feelings. And that story makes me feel warm and fuzzy. But it is completely irrelevant as it comes to the Calder conversation. And take the age thing out of it because the age gate is the age gate.

If you could be 17 and win it and you could be 26 and win it, then that's the age. So take the age thing out of it. Stop arguing that that matters one way or another. He's in the, but to be honest with you, the Kyle Dubas thing, that was a great PR thing. It was awesome. Good for him. But none of that matters. No, I still, my contention is still that Michael Bunting is the best rookie on ice this year.

Yeah. No matter what his age. And that's not to take away from Sider or Lucas Raymond. But, you know, some of the arguments that were thrown at us from Detroit Red Wings fans, well, Sider plays 23 minutes a night. Well, who else will? Sider's got 37 points. Who else is going to score?

Someone's got to score. It's not that he's not good. It's not that he's not going to be dominant. But who's got the best one this year? So I wanted you to see this, Detroit fans, and know that despite all of the wonderful things that Kyle Dubas laid out in that resume, it's immaterial. Immaterial. So, I wanted to throw out a few things there with Mo, because there was something I said

in particular that Red Wings fans are like, what are you talking about? And it's valid. Okay, all right. I said he was slowing down. Yeah. No, he is not. Like, not in terms of production. What I was alluding to is he had a few tough games in his own end recently.

Like, he had a game where he was a minus three. Asterisk on that. alex nedeljkovic dude what if there's a morassic for nedeljkovic deal that can be made and we just see if we can make it a wash like holy smokes is he unbelievably bad um so that would be hurting mo and i think mo cider uh does get a bit of a boost uh from playing defense right so like if he's tied in points with bunting or lucas raymond it's impressive you give him the tiebreaker because he's on d like that's wild right that being said um i still think bunting is the hotter rookie right

now who would i rather have in a fantasy draft cider every time that's not what it is though who are you building your team around cider of course yeah who's gonna win the calder right now in terms of teammates as well they if you look at the lineups bunting obviously plays with matthews and marner and mo he plays with essentially five defensemen who aren't even close to the quality of him you know it's like he doesn't have the support around him and Detroit fans are giving him a boost because of that and they're taking away some from Bunting and Matthews, but I don't care about Marner and Matthews

because they play with Bunting. I don't know if that's fair. It's just about the individual's performance. It's not about the team around them. It's not about the support that they receive in terms of putting up their production. You have to look at the guy in the vacuum for the individual award because that's what it is.

Because if we're going to do what they're doing with, well, you've got to look at the situation. bunting won that job over nick ritchie yeah yeah they didn't arbitrarily throw him in no they've signed another guy to more money he didn't work so like the notion that playing with matthews and marner is a given that you'll be successful is not true well didn't ritchie get 10 15 games he got the whole start of the season and like preseason and to me it boosts bunting because that means he's a first line quality player yeah is that not more evidence that he's a better performer because he can play on the first line and I get Sider's a first line first

pairing defenseman but Bunting's also elevated his game to that point so you shouldn't take away where they're playing and their teammates uh that doesn't take away from their Calder uh eligibility you know Kerfoot is was in the top six Mikheyev really wanted a spot in the top six Bunting got bumped down to the fourth line when he had a little slump and then he scored while he was on the fourth line and the situation presented itself he stole that spot so he wasn't arbitrarily handed it he he won that so i don't think him playing with matthews and marner should hurt him now here's a here's a voice that that i think some people would be surprised to hear from in the bunting conversation call him at tsn.ca travis yost bunting deserves the

calder this season all right travis now travis i'm not i'm not gonna um i'm not gonna uh go into it too much but i think you should you should read it um he's putting michael bunting on like in terms of uh uh goals above replacement okay just just in the in the in the last 10 years i'm just going to use this cherry pick this one stat but read travis's article it's long and it's in up. In the last 10 years, here are the people that have won, and here's what their goals above replacement have

been, okay? 2011, Gabriel Lanneskog, 11.5. 2017, Matt Barzell, 20.7. Are you sure it's not games above replacement? Goals above replacement. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah. It's Gabriel Lanneskog, 11.5 seats, says goals above replacement. Okay. Pedersen 17.9 goals above her place Makar 15.8 Nathan McKinnon

that's not how many goals they score it's how many goals they contribute to okay Panarin 14.8 Ekblad 13.8 Matthews 11.5

Kaprizov 9.2 Huberto 3.1 wow the 2021-2022 Calder class Michael Bunting 19.4 holy

Anton Lindell who by the way is still not getting any respect Florida come on like okay and then you got cider at 11.4 and matt boldy at a point now you could say bunting plays with matthews boldy's messed up because he just got here cider's a defenseman and we're rating him by goals well that's aaron eckblad was no no it's contributions to goals

guys no i mean like that's stupid ridiculous for him oh okay it's crazy it's it's it's amazing yeah yeah but like but like if you look at eckblad eckblad and cider are almost exactly similar that's crazy yeah cider and matthews were in their rookie years about the same i think wow first that's crazy what i think about that cider i i would say i would say it was once a two-horse race between lucas raymond and mo cider it's now a two-horse race between bunting and cider and anton lindell's looking on like what doesn't matter flora oh well sorry in terms of the conversation and lindell should be in there as well no if you were those not a heart trophy candidate then lindell's not a call nobody's talked about that no both of them they don't

get trophies it's florida um i just wanted to throw that out there travis yost guy who is not a leafs homer very definitely not a leafs homer i was just happy alan gave me a break from the constant wave of martin firk tweets there it is i'm glad the humido thing happened so that like just give me a break there's martin firk uh firkin martin martin firk i am going to read you a letter from the russian federation which is the government to the russian hockey federation which is the uh sorry the russian hockey federation which is the arm of the government to the KHL. Yes.

I'm going to read you a letter. Yeah. Okay. Dear colleagues, we're all going through a difficult time today. A lot of information is posted in all

information resources every minute. Now, you have to remember this is translated from Russian, so it's not going to make complete sense. And unfortunately, often,

it is on plausible news and fake. So what they're saying here in the first paragraph is a lot of information floating around where our government's just blocking it all.

Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, everything. And a lot of what you're reading is fake news in support of their own during war is only possible reaction of normal person so supporting your own during war is the only reaction of a normal person meaning that some of this fake news coming out of the ukraine is fake news because they're pro-ukrainian of course that makes sense we ask you to support the action and work with the fans of the issue of supporting our army meaning the khl is now to support the russian army we are sending coordinated campaign

posters they can be printed and distributed in the form of leaflets flyers flags um flash mobs audio and video appeals uh in cuba are also welcome and i don't know if they actually meant cuba if not uh please note promotion is mandatory and subject to reporting the day after a game day all reporting information including photo and video reports at least four photos uh as well as brief text descriptions of the event including materials involved must be submitted to the to the hockey federation before 10 moscow time and so basically what's happening at khl games and by the way they're acting in the khl like none of this is happening uh it's bizarre it's so bizarre and if you follow khl's english account which i do nobody can reply unless the khl also

follows you and they all only follow 125 people so nobody is actually allowed to reply to the khl's tweets anymore and so now as and and steve steve mentioned this like 10 years ago you know when the when the when the last lockout happened or lockout strike whatever the last thing was it was a lockout i think yeah we we started the show that season like after that right late in the playoffs yes and one of the things we were talking about was we had we had had basically two lockouts in in 10 years right and one of them had been a full season then one of them had been a half season. And it'd been pretty devastating to the sport. And a lot of the chatter at that time was, well, hey, there's the KHL and they're going to come in and they're going to sign Ilya

Kovalchuk to $14 million a year. Are we going to see more of this? Because of the hard cap, are we going to see star players leave the NHL and go to the KHL and make a lot more money, which was on the table at the time? And Steve said no. And what was interesting about it is you said you need to remember the KHL's place in society. What's it there for? do you remember what you said no this is fascinating what you said was that it's there for people to let off steam it's the same reason and you didn't say you didn't i'm i'm extrapolating now sure but it's the same reason that the romans had games it's the same reason we have you need to have spectator events where you can bring fans out and they could go ah for three hours and then

go home exhausted it's a it's a what they call a social safety valve and also you sort of hinted at the fact that there was deep connections with russian oligarchs and therefore the russian government on every team ska st petersburg is arguably a richer hockey team than the toronto maple leaves they're owned by gas prom which is like the state-owned oil company so they're printing they are a richer team yeah so that objectively there's a reason why whenever you hear khl news and oh this team is looking at this player or you know uh this guy's leaving to this team there's a reason that it's usually like two teams because that's where all the money it's those two teams st petersburg being chief among them st petersburg had a roster remember

ozha ganoff was like a healthy scratch yeah like half his khl games in the year before he joined the leafs it's because they had like 45 people because they just hoarded them all yeah and there were teams in like smaller eastern Russian markets like just water dying and playing with minor leaguers so

so this is the this is the interesting part for me because you look at this from a political perspective they are now using the KHL teams to promote the war it's a league that is it's there are deep political ties in that league yeah

it doesn't shock me at all This goes far beyond singing the national anthem before a game, you know what I mean? That sort of nationalism that some people like, some people are uncomfortable with. This is, uh, they're directly using the Continental Hockey League as a propaganda arm of the Russian government. Yeah, it's, anyone who's not Russian needs to get the hell out of there. They gotta get the hell out of there now. i i did ask someone who would know um by the way as a follow-up to something we talked about before as far as i know this could be wrong but as far as i know there's three teams in the khl that are

not paid in euros or sorry not paid in rubles so those teams would be riga in latvia yokerit in finland and um uh kunlun north star or kunlun red star sorry in um in china so if you're a russian who wants to live in russia and you're from russia and all that i i get staying there right uh anyone else like a few weeks ago is like hey man i'm staying for the money get the hell out of there get the hell out of there dude it's they're like things like the canadian hockey league keeping out russian and belarussian players i thought was a little ridiculous because first of all uh like we're talking individual players here we're not talking organizations and these are kids but also this is literally exactly what those governments want

yeah they want to keep them yeah the people in charge in russia in belarus want their best players to stay there um not to like stick it to anybody but like as a form of national pride they want players to stay there not so that the product is better necessarily it's we are the best this is where the best players play it's it it's it's national pride right it's uh i don't know how the nhl or any hockey organization can do business with the khl going forward until there's a resolution here well this war well of course and and and so so i was talking to somebody last week and they'll remain nameless but they said you know what's interesting about said your generation's reaction to this to what's going on ours our generation and younger versus you know

our maybe our parents generation or even a generation ahead of us is we were babies or in jesse's case not even born when apartheid fell in south africa right it was like 1992 and you know when that happened um and again i'm not going to get into the particulars here too much but the idea was and at that time that the the the all the governments basically got together and i believe the ioc did too and banned south africa from all the all the sports events they banned the athletes they banned them it wasn't you can come but you can't use your flag it was you you are not allowed here, made them into a pariah because of the outrage of what was going on. Was it a perfect solution? No. Was it unfair to the athletes? Yes. But what this person said to

me, and this person's quite smart, like really smart, I can guarantee you respect this person. They said, listen, it ain't always pretty, but sometimes you need to take away a government's ability to capitalize on their athletes and extrapolate that and use that to the national greatness myth. Because what a lot of governments do, and by the way, this was all part of the Kremlin plan. The Kremlin plan for 20 years has been, we're going to make our way into UK society, we're going to make our way into US society, and the way we're going to do it is sports. When I was reading a ton of stuff on Abramovich, who owned Chelsea, was trying to sell Chelsea, and now Chelsea's frozen.

They can't even wear their own jerseys. They can't do any player transfers. They can't do anything. Wow. So like there are no player transfers. Chelsea's a major club. When he bought that team, he was this quiet guy.

They asked him about, I believe, I forget which news organization, but Christia Freeland was, who is now the deputy prime minister here in Canada, was over there and was a news editor. And she talked to him

and there was a couple other reporters. I was reading an amazing Twitter thread on it. And they said, this guy compared what happened in Russia at the fall of the Soviet Union and the kleptocracy and the whole thing, him getting rich as to crying over spilled milk. And then he was, you know, people were,

oh, he just dismissed it out of hand. And what happened was he owned Chelsea. Chelsea's got a lot of supporters. He has a lot of money. And all of a sudden, sitting in a box with this Abramovich was like the hottest ticket in town. It was like the cool thing to do.

And it brought in, oh, you know, people are like, well, he's done all this. shit but we can't really prove it they won and they and they're and they're winning yeah and i love chelsea so maybe i'll go you know what i mean so there was the whole there was a whole point to this and so what this person is saying is listen it ain't pretty and it ain't fair but there's a viewpoint out there which is um okay so we've sanctioned russia and the athletes from russia can still perform and compete and russia can still use that and say look at how great we are well and they're trying to backdoor it by then having athletes like there was that gymnast i

think who wear the z which is now like the russian symbol for supporting this war on ukraine this invasion of ukraine yeah it's so i don't know i don't know what the right answer is but i can see i can see that viewpoint and you know in in in all honesty like this is that we're at a very tenuous point in history everybody can acknowledge that right this is this could spiral out of control in a heartbeat and you know i just get worse yeah 100 it could it could spiral very quickly um and i think it's going to be very very interesting to see how sports reacts to this there have been there has been a lot of crazy shit that sports has had to react to in the last few years i think more than ever and i think now i i'm going to be very curious like yesterday

yesterday before the game they brought out a player from the barry colts and i missed you missed this and you remember this jesse right brought a player from the barry colts he's a ukrainian national player but he had his colts jersey on he took the colts jersey off ukrainian jersey and my first reaction and i'll be honest was i wonder what the russian players on the bench are thinking both sides has to be uncomfortable oh i mean imagine it was you no matter what side you're on well did you like did you look well i couldn't see from where we were right but i know if i could see that's the first place my eyes would be darting right am i wrong on that no i'd want to see i you cannot tell me you don't want to see how they

react you and like with no accusation you're just like how do you react to that i don't know your two countries are at war and we now go live to what you think about that like you can't tell me you're not curious anyway it's very very interesting um yeah you should check out the khl page it's it's pretty nuts and i guess they're either they're blocking everybody that uh that well they were blocking everybody that um that tweeted ukrainian flags at them because they were basically getting ratioed every time they tweeted people just tweet and then they just said okay well nobody can reply to our tweets now not such a meme lord are you now no not really not really so it's very very interesting to see how this plays out i just thought i'd bring that up

now the last thing i would like to bring up before we get to the press conference and i'm going to admit i know nothing about this subject i remember this person but he wasn't one of the people that stuck out to me scott hall has been taken off life support um and you know very very famous very popular wrestler he has not passed as of this recording um but they are going to discontinue life support from what we know he fell and this is from uh basically he went and had a procedure done to fix a broken hip um he has suffered three heart attacks already um while trying to i guess recover from this surgery so you can imagine the damage that that does to your body 63 year old man and i just wanted to i wanted to see steve like you know scott hall kevin nash those were like

big big names in wrestling in the late 90s when we grew up and we were watching what scotty homie do you oh man i mean he was the bad guy uh you know razor ramon so i knew him i knew him before he was nwo wcw scott hall um back in wwe when he was razor ramon wwf when he was razor ramon and wanted to be him in video games and the razor's edge was this cool finishing move and we would all dangerously try it on each other in the schoolyard and uh or at least the first part of it it was basically i want to see if i can lift you um that's what it was he you know the the new generation of wrestler i know you guys don't pay as much attention the new generation of wrestler is unrecognizable from the one that he grew up in and the one he grew up in uh it was

steroid use cocaine abuse alcohol abuse um they lived hard painkiller uh yeah so a lot of these guys have died young um scott hall it's such a shame i mean it's such a shame because 63 is too young but it's also such a shame because he's basically on his like second chance at life pretty much there's a there's a documentary about um his sort of rise and fall in wrestling and the the fall is so sad he was at an indie show in this indie show they're like we got scott hall like this is a big get uh they made him go on even though he had just gotten out of the hospital i don't even remember what it was for it was something grotesque and he comes out he can barely move as his music's playing he's still got his hospital bracelet on oh and he's just

like staggering around the ring and it looked like he was on death's door many years ago and he made a comeback he's at the hall of fame ceremony for wwe he's looking healthy you know gives a speech he's hey yo he's he's got that that deep voice and he resembles himself yeah which for a while yeah didn't yeah um so to hear he went uh south in this way it's sad it's sad i i hope the current generation of wrestlers right now doesn't go through um i mean every wrestler the majority of wrestlers i cheered for growing up are either sick or dead like and that's that's the truth um especially the guys from when i was a kid those are not old men those are guys who should be in like their 50 60 70s and a lot of them because of what they put their bodies

through not just in the taking bumps but in the travel and the substance abuse a lot of them aren't with us anymore and it's wrong well i think i think now you see the the difference in physiques with wwe athletes right like the the you know back then it was these big lumbering giant people the the bigger the better yeah right and just like you remember how big triple h used to be a big um kevin nash used to be hulk hogan was huge wwf hulk hogan versus wcw hulk hogan is hilarious oh yeah i'm gonna look that up oh but he had he always bragged about his two foot pythons this is arms that were two feet around and uh then he gets to wcw and he's like smelt because he wasn't on roids anymore right scott hall reminds me you're right like when i think

of scott hall all i think about is the completely unhinged era of wrestling it was where everything was on the line and it was it was the worst of the worst and the best of the best like the programming was like sexist and homophobic and they would go they would nothing was off the line you know they could do anything they wanted and be on tv in the in the mid 90s you know it aged so poorly it's awful television i talk about the attitude era with reverence and then i went back and like watched some stuff and i was like holy shit yeah this like i can't even be like come here son this is what i grew up with and show no you cannot so that era for what they were doing on television the things the wrestlers were doing off air was the same recklessness you

know all those guys were on substances they weren't sleeping they're traveling every night of the year and they didn't take care of their bodies in any respect you know even from from the in-ring performances you know they would do anything to get a rise out of the crowd they would damage themselves in in any respect and then off air they're doing the all the all the steroids let's be honest here all the steroids all the drugs so that's the area he comes from and it just slowly throughout this decade we've seen those guys who live through that just deteriorate and go way too soon and it's sad uh the things they did for for entertainment purposes for us as teens just watching the teens and kids you know and that's that's what i'm going to think

about when i see for the next i don't know how many years it's going to be where we're going to see more stories like got hall where these guys are just going in their 60s and a little too early because of what they went through and like you got to commend them for loving wrestling so much like that's that's what they did it out of the pure joy of wrestling and entertainment and it's it's it's sad but like the passion that those guys had for the sport you know they they reflected the audience they did man those some of those pops i remember from when i was a kid like just the the glass shattering of stone cold like just crowd goes absolutely insane oh and but like wrestling you can even live a good healthy life um you know not you know

do any of the substances and stuff yeah as as it's gone on we've seen it get smarter we've seen guys like cm punk get the biggest pops in the game yeah you know a guy who's the complete opposite of every 90s wrestler a skinny dude who's kind of a milk bag yeah yeah yeah a milk bag who's who's substance-free. He's like, I live a clean life, and that's my thing. Adam Cole? He's like one of the most over-wrestlers right now. I think, what was it, Michaels?

Shawn Michaels was the closest back then to what they are now. Shawn Michaels was like a mover, right? Stylistically. Stylistically. But everything off-air was... He was right on all the pills, all the drugs. No, no, I don't doubt that. I'm just saying like stylistically.

In terms of his stature. Yeah. Right. He was a slimmer dude. but the old guys are yoga guys now yeah diamond dallas page sean michael and now talking about how they do yoga over the next 30 years we've seen that you don't have to be that to get the biggest pop in the game you can you can be the other dude who lives a healthy reasonable lifestyle and still be the most over guy in wrestling but recently we saw a wrestler i forgot his name he

was fighting drew mcintyre a move went wrong he was dumped right on his head and then there was another wrestler a week later biggie who was champion two months ago he broke his neck oh gosh he broke it so uh he did give an update he fractured i think it was two of his vertebrae aw no no this is wwe oh this is uh biggie from new day i don't know remember we saw new day new day is the uh he's a huge one they have the booty o's cereal and they brought it yeah i do know new day yeah they're amazing yeah there's just a guy playing a trombone off the yeah that was xavier woods that's it that's xavier woods yeah that's so stupid they're all they're they're so entertaining but yeah big

e um who's like i don't know 300 pounds someone gave him a belly-to-belly suplex lands right on the top of his head fractured two of his vertebrae but was able to move all his uh extremities and everything and he said he didn't feel a difference in strength so he broke it in i don't know if there is a good way to break your neck that's how he did it um there's still a huge risk involved man huge risk definitely yeah there never won't be no a wrestler died in ring at a pay-per-view in our lifetimes uh owen hart that's yeah that's crazy that's crazy anyway just thought we'd do a little shout out to all the wrestling fans and uh and scotty hall and his family it's a uh it's a tragedy uh but incredible memories absolutely incredible memories it's a dead documentary

is very worth watching by the way let's do the press conference the steve dangle press conference we have an announcement we do adam i'm gonna make the announcement in in 10 seconds can you tease the announcement tease the announcement i don't even know what the announcement hey announcement it doesn't matter your clothes don't fit hey announcement nice head what you said you want me to tease the announcement oh he's a dad he's really he's a dad he's a dad daddy all right go ahead jesse all right so i have to announce our first ever sdpn fan fridays winner oh so every friday uh use the hashtag sdpn fan fridays on insta on your instagram story or on twitter and

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Sergei Bobrovsky has two Vesna That's more than Lundqvist Is he a Hall of Famer? I think it's... Let's see what he does with Florida this year. Not yet. Not yet. Absolutely not yet.

No. No, not yet. Not yet. This is not... How valid is this? What do you mean? When you say someone's name, I should be like, yes. They're in the Hall of Fame.

I've heard that argument in other sports. The Hall of Fame should be... Yeah, that guy's a Hall of Famer. That should be the reaction. henrik lundquist yes yeah circuit borowski no like and here's the thing yes he does have two vesnas because he deserved yes in each of those two years uh the rest of the time then what like lundquist was consistently a top five top ten goalie in the nhl yep um there's numbers to back that up but there's also the there's also watching rangers games and knowing how screwed the rangers

would have been without him in all respects sergey bobrovsky uh vesna unusable vesna below average average vesna conversation like is his he's had a wackadoo career like look at this how to what kind of goalie is this can anyone tell me what kind of goalie this is 9 15 8 9 8 9 3 2 9 2 3 9 18 9 0 8 9 3 1 9 2 1 9 13 900 906 9 17 like he's he's very up and down he lacks the consistency of a lungquist you know here's an interesting conversation uh tuka rask and whether or not he gets in the hall of fame when it's all said and done i'd be interested to see if Bobrovsky has a more impressive

resume than Tukorask. Interesting. I mean, so Bobrovsky already has 327 wins in the NHL. What's the, I don't know this,

what's the like wins bar for goaltenders for Hall of Fame? Oh, I don't know. It's like 500? 500 you're in. Yeah. For sure.

400 are you in? 500 is ridiculous. Like Bobrovsky, I mean, he's signed for a very long time, but like to even get to, he'd have to play

enough games, right? Five more years at this rate. yeah is 400 like uh you're in it's a pretty it's a solid career it's a really good benchmark you'll get the 400 yeah here's okay here's my mean thing tuka rask had 308 in his total career wow he has more wins yeah wow but zero playoff success here's here's my yes yeah here's my mean thing for rask whoa how could you compare babrovsky to rask he's got a cup yeah there's a backup Stephen never won the cup as a starter never did never not once it's true and listen

in the conversation it'll get brought up it is relevant it's tough but you hear the name Tuka Raskin you're like that's a hall of famer right no not really no no Adam I'm thinking watch out for the mic oh sorry i'm breathing yeah you're breathing sorry i'm just inhaling the the scent of this discussion um i was thinking about i'm thinking about this and like goaltending is so weird right it's a weird position and i think when you rate a goaltender to be a hall of famer you're rating them i think in their in their best five to seven seasons aren't you you take the peak i think you look at the peak yeah and you look at i think this is important how many times can they do it in a row because this is what subtracts he took a rask was always

good the problem for me is brobroski is good bad yeah very good league leading terrible getting a Coach fired. Oh, now he's good again. Signs a tenure deal. Terrible. Now his team's in almost first place. If they're not in first place right now, I haven't checked the standings this morning.

I think they are. I know they lost to the Kings who had nobody last night. Who scored? Was it Martin Burke? Shut up about Martin Burke! He does have a hard shot, though. In Tampa, while the Leafs have been losing some games, Florida loses to the Kings who have no one.

They got a point out of it. It was OT. yeah yeah i mean listen i i i think tuka won the cup and he got his team to the finals tuka's in we're not comparing the two like i think tuka should be in i think brobroski hasn't proven it to me yet and i know he's got better he's got a better track record success and you're not putting tuka in i'm not putting him in yet i didn't say that okay i didn't say that i i i would need to dig deeper i'm fairly certain he has a shot for sure has a shot he's got a very good shot but i think he's got to win a cup or two don't you wait broski broski okay

yeah broski i would like to see some playoff success for that resume it would really boost see broski doesn't even he doesn't even have a deep run no anywhere six one six five six ten four three he has one second round appearance and that was the flyers wow with the uh blue jackets in 1819 oh that was the year they beat tampa right in the first round he's undrafted i didn't know that i didn't either i don't know why how did what was his first oh he came up from russia that makes sense and the flyers ditched him for uh they ditched him because they had ilia bruzgalov oh boy and oh man what was that trade voracek i can't remember that's it we'll see how his career plays out but i guess right now if sergey borovsky retired

tomorrow we're not this this hall of name panel committee he's not not putting him in the hall not yet nope he's got a shot not yet all right steve do you want to test your memory yes and we'll go i don't have my glasses december 20th 2000 how much information do you want uh i'll let you know okay okay okay okay december okay december december december 20th 2008 oh boy okay so we're talking the 0809 season there's a significant thing that happened from a defenseman game 32 of the season do you want the final score no oh do you want to well not yet So, December 20th, 2008. So, let me try to think who on earth the Leafs defenders were.

There was Luke Shen. That was his rookie year. Dion Phaneuf wasn't on the team yet. Actually, I don't think. Was it later that year? He wasn't on the team. Jeff Finger I think would have been on that team Mike Komiseric I think

would have been on that team Francois Beauchemin I would have said was on that team but I know he wasn't from our Ducks discussion the other day a defenseman did something December 20th and it was game 32

did something interesting it was a significant moment in this player's career this defenseman's career well my first instinct was to say luke shen first career goal is that the case is that your guess well geez dude do i is is my turn over no we can keep going with it but that is incorrect incorrect yes 32 oh shit i might need an opponent yeah No, I found a score on an opponent. What do you want?

I think getting an opponent should be just part and parcel. All right. A defenseman did something. Significant. For their career, this was significant. And it was what year? Oh, I know what game this was. I think you got it.

You fucker. What is it? Is this the Brett Lebda game? No. Oh, it's not. What is that? That's not who we're talking about here. Oh, it's not?

No, no, no. Then I'm wrong. i thought it was when brett lebda was minus three and a nine three win no no i don't think anybody would remember that except for you i don't even think people it might have been it might have been the same game but that's not okay we're talking about the opponent was the thrashers for that game no okay that is not that is not the game he's minus three caberly i think was on the team we're the thrashers yeah we're the okay we're the Leafs at home or on the road and let me see let me pull up thing it was on the road was it in Boston it was not Steve I don't think

you're getting this one all right okay give me the opponent the Pittsburgh Penguins a defenseman did something of significance against the Pittsburgh Penguins. Final score. It has to be Cabral, right? Like passing and career assists or something. Leafs were 13-13

and 6. Not a great start to the year. God, this is really hurting my feelings. So Fleury was probably the goalie. Played the Pittsburgh Penguins who were 17-11 and 4. The final score was 7-3 for Toronto. did you actually stump steve i think i think we got him did we get him we got him okay so

a high score significant moment in the defender's career i'm thinking hat trick potentially i was thinking cabriolet assist record for the lease because isn't he like the all-time assist holder i'm i'm pulling the plug king of the ghost assist i'm pulling the plug you're not getting this shit shit Jonas Frogan scored his only career goal oh my god

that's really hard that's very hard Jonas Frogan who cost the Leafs a draft pick scored only one goal in his entire career it was on December 20th 2008 versus the Pittsburgh Penguins that's so hard

that's a little aggressive you've been nailing really hard ones lately and we got you with a very hard one i know i was gonna say froggy too in my list that's oh man i still see people walking around with that era leafs jersey and i shudder there was a luke shen that era jersey yesterday oh they're everywhere at the game oh wait and 12 grobovsky terrible terrible terrible jersey terrible years jonas frogren uh he was a cliff fletcher acquisition i believe when cliff fletcher was a gm for like two seconds remember before and he cost the leafs a draft pick because the way they acquired him wasn't within the

rules of the cba it was illegal yeah it was illegal they so basically if you're under contract with a team in europe i don't remember who he was with someone in sweden um if you're under contract you have to buy yourself out of the contract yeah in order to sign an nhl one that's what petri conziola had to do and he had to do that out of pocket and then he didn't make the team which is disastrous for him the leafs paid jonas frogan's buyout and you're not allowed to do that you can't you can't do that yeah for some reason whatever you can't send the money to the team that's really stupid so the nhl would be able to yeah the nhl went hey you can't do that and it cost them a draft pick which one uh it was a fourth rounder i forget what year okay um uh

a that's super stupid second um i think uh um the uh damn the interesting part about that and not enough is made of this and maybe this is a video for you in the summer oh that six month eight month period where cliff fletcher was the gm was one of the most disastrous he didn't do great he did not well the jeff finger contract alone you could do 15 minutes jeff finger i'm trying to think they called the wrong guy like i don't know if people know this but they called they thought it was Martin it was it was he got him mixed up with Martin Skula no or was it not

Kurt Sauer Kurt Sauer man they got him that's you're talking old hockey internet here you're talking like HF boards rumor mill from like 2007 or 8 that's that's really inside baseball bothers me there was yada yada yada for the youngins out there there was a really

old HF boards post where this guy put Jeff fingers stats next to I think it was Kurt Sowers um based on what how the leafs management described jeff finger and how he played for the avalanche the previous year and based on the stats he was describing kurt sauer not jeff finger jeff finger like there were teams who

wanted to make an offer on him on jeff finger yeah we'll give you a few years and you know a few million spread over those years no the leafs gave him three and a half per it was the only the only comparable to recent years i can have is when um calgary signed derrick engeland and bob mckenzie was like yeah he's getting three million dollars that's per season wow yeah that was a perky move yeah because he wasn't bless derrick engeland but three plus million dollars there was a pointless i don't that was again a bad perky move yeah it's a bad berkey movie yeah yeah i i i honestly i would love to re-examine that the

second uh cliff fletcher go around because it was right after jfj and we were all very excited that it wasn't going to be jfj so we were all like okay so it's not john ferguson jr anybody could be better and we were incorrect we were incorrect we're very wrong so i can look that up real briefly well why don't you make a video out of it let's not look it up why don't you make a video out of it this summer. I would love to hear the Steve Dangle opinion on that. Adam, before I ask you this last thing, I have to shout out Versingetorix

for that trivia question. That is their Discord name. Are you sure? Versingetorix? I don't know. It's V-E-R-S-I-N-G-E-T-O-R-I-X. It sounds like Versingetorix. What is Versingetorix?

Versingetorix is the leader of the last gaelic resistance to rome in france uh against julius caesar i'm assuming is there a g in there versingetorix was a king and chief did they this is their name i it is versingetorix look how it's spelled steven do you blame me for not knowing how this oh bro so united the tribes against julius he is was a king and chieftain of the arviman arvini isn't it or i don't know arvimi Our Vemi tribe who united the Gauls in a failed revolt against Roman forces during the last phase of Julius. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know that. And it's not even really fair to call that a revolt because what they were doing was the Romans were saying, we're taking this. And they were saying, well, no, you're not. And they were a bunch of disparate tribes. And Vercingetorix was the one that actually got them together and said, we should all fight together instead of, you know, coming at Rome. You should edit Wikipedia to say that. uh despite having willingly surrendered to caesar he was executed in rome yes because he was a trophy and he actually sat in jail for like four years while they waited because remember the weird

thing with vercingetorix is that so he julius caesar wins but it's an illegal war so he's a hero in rome but the senate's like wait a second we didn't order this this is wrong you shouldn't even be consul you should be like you should have stepped down a long time ago so they talk about julius caesar you know crossing and coming into rome and invading rome or whatever um so the entire time that julius caesar is essentially seizing power in rome this guy that he has won on the battlefield is sitting in jail in in pre pre-christ jail you can imagine the conditions right and so um so then once julius caesar actually seizes power and that's a civil war with Pompey Magnus and then a whole bunch of things. He has a huge parade through Rome and

four years later, here's Vercingetorix still chained up and then they killed him. They kept him alive so that he could be a trophy. So when Julius Caesar gained power because he was a huge hero in Rome, illegally gaining power, once he did that, then they could say, hey, look, this is the barbarian, quote unquote barbarian that we got four years ago. We kept him alive for you here he is now there's his head gone jesus yeah execution by strangling oh strangling yeah oh yeah yeah now that i think they used to do that i think if if i'm wrong i could be wrong but they could have they may have done that privately i feel like i don't know that they would have had a public execution of strangling i think they would have done that doesn't sound

like an official thing no i think it was sort of considered like here's a nicer way to die Weirdly enough. I guess. Yeah. Anyway, no bloodshed, right? That's the whole thing. Okay, cool. Anyway.

Wow. They got a cool statue of him in France. He's riding like a horse. Is that the green one? Yeah. Oh, there you go. Well, it's green now. Didn't used to be green.

No, it was brass, right? That's my favorite thing that I didn't learn until I was older. Copper, I think. Copper. Copper. All these statues used to be copper. If you see something that's like, they're all the exact same shade of green. adam here's the here's the death thing if you want it go ahead tell me so this is from the

imprisonment and death a section of his wikipedia article yeah so uh vercingetorix was imprisoned in the trulinium in rome okay for almost six years before being publicly displayed in the first of caesar's four triumphs in 46 bc and that's what the parade is called it would have been called a triumph they called him triumph so this was the first of four right because he had four different wars he said that he won he was ceremonially strangled at the temple of jupiter optimus maximus after the triumph so i'm wondering if that's i don't know if that was because they sacrificed right like they sacrificed bulls and shit and i wondered i wonder if that would have been done publicly or not i don't know i thought that that would have been it would have been in

front of like a priest but yeah yeah it sounds like it was messed up publicly messed up all right yeah but a heroic figure a heroic cult hero kind of like buddhica in england you know like of the of the it's basically like it's so funny that two countries like france and england are like or france and britain uh are uh are like wow this is our we sure stood up to oppression didn't we you know hilarious but that's that's sort of like their folk both like it's part of their history yeah yeah that's you know i'm half english that's my guy right buddhica is a queen this is my queen buddhica that's my queen yeah yes queen slay that's right buddhica sorry that's yeah that's how clueless i am in all this yeah anyway that's interesting

the the final question i had for you yeah was have you seen drive to survive season four yet not yet it came out on friday not yet and we uh should review it all when it's done so my my uh my girlfriend is threatening that if we don't watch love is blind too soon that that she is going to watch it on her own which i don't want but i said nat the first race is this weekend we have to watch and drive to survive so love is blind is going to wait another week we're going to start drive to survive it's very cute that you get threats sl just watches oh i think that's like that's i mean she she has like a bunch of shows in her rolodex that are hers oh yeah but there's a couple that are ours and we have to keep those this morning because she's on march break lucky

duck she goes you want to watch drive to survive and i said yes i do so i think we're gonna hey finally you're gonna start it you can't start at season four no no no we won't okay you are gonna love this and i can't wait for you to meet gunther steiner gunther steiner who is italian by the way i think definitely yes i know right doesn't sound italian doesn't the name's not italian but yeah you will love gunther steiner could toto wolf hold a public strangling of yes yeah he probably and he would do the strangling so toto wolf could could he could literally chop me in half that guy wait till you meet toto wolf and you won't meet him till season two really season two is when it gets good because season one like half the cast doesn't want to be in it like lewis hamilton's

not in it because he's like why would i do this he doesn't know that it's going to be a big deal So he's like, I'm not participating in this Netflix thing. And then they see the fallout of season one. They're like, oh, I kind of need to be a part of this. All of a sudden, the drivers from Haas are more famous than Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Räikkönen and the guys that are racing for Ferrari at the time. Sebastian Vettel's not in it. So they start the season. It's literally about three teams.

It's about McLaren before McLaren is what they are now, which is a top 3-4 team. They're terrible at this time. It's about Haas. A little bit about Williams. A lot of Haas. A lot of Hoffs, yeah, and they are a mid-pack team at this point, and they fall off. What? What?

This is the first time in the history of the podcast when big news has broken during the show. Oh. Austin Matthews. Oh, here we go. Suspension has come down. The NHL has suspended Austin Matthews for two games. I nailed it. Without pay for cross-checking Buffalo Sabres defenseman Rasmus Dahle.

Whoa. So now, I don't even care about the suspension. How does that affect the rocket race, the heart race? Their cap. Their cap. Matthews will forfeit $116,000 for the suspension. The money goes to the player's emergency assistance fund. Damn.

Full explanation at the link below. Do you guys want to watch the video? Yeah, let's do it. The NHLPAs, I hope they get the voiceover guy in it. I just hit my leg. In on this one to do his fancy read of the situation. We're off to a bad start. The thumbnail is Austin off the ice, jumping.

It's not good, guys. I know you probably wanted a different outcome, but it's not smart what he did. Here we go. If it happened to Austin, I would want the player suspended. 100%. Yeah. Okay, what a day's job. Here we go with the video from the Department of Player Safety.

Two games for Austin Matthews. Sunday evening in Hamilton, Ontario, Maple Leafs forward Austin Matthews was penalized for cross-checking Sabres defenseman Rasmus Dahlin. As the video shows, Matthews and Dahlin engage in a battle for position in front of the net. The battle escalates, with Matthews using his stick to shove Dahlin,

and Dahlin shoving Matthews to the ice in return. Matthews then gets back to his feet, approaches Darlene, draws his stick back with both hands, rises up, and strikes Darlene with force in the neck. This is cross-checking. While we acknowledge Matthews' argument that this is not a cross-check meant to harm or injure his opponent, it is also not a routine motion to box out an opponent or to gain body position.

Having just been involved in a shoving match with Darlene that knocked him into the net, matthews aggressively retaliates by raising his stick significantly and creating this contact this is a high forceful cross check that makes contact with an opponent's neck with sufficient force to merit supplemental discipline to summarize i can't believe it was this is cross checking matthews has been neither fined nor suspended previously in his 390 game nhl career the department of player safety has suspended austin matthews for two games yeah i mean pretty cut and dry there you are dude he jumped into a cross check that i believe him when he says it rode up but you can't do that you can't do that man it's it was

yeah yeah accidents happen when you do dumb things it wasn't smart well at least it made the show i guess i guess bro i think it should have been one i think they got it wrong yeah i i hope it's two going forward i hope i just hope it's followed up i'm with you if it's gonna be two now it's got to be two for everybody and it's got to be at least one in the playoffs right no it should be it should be fucking two in the playoffs i hate that rule yeah i hate that rule games matter double in the playoffs apparently so yeah it should have it should have been one now i think the precedent isn't there for two we we outlined it an hour and a half ago that they don't suspend

people for this and here it is there's two games all of a sudden it should have been one and i think that's i think i think you're gonna have brendan shanahan tearing a strip off of gary betman the leafs already believe that the nhl does nothing to to to help their stars support their stars and not just the leaf stars anybody and i know the from from apparently from from behind the scenes the leafs have been all over them about that well they can continue to be on the outside looking in you're not going to win this battle guys yeah yeah should have been worn out it's a ridiculous decision yeah yeah uh anyway we'll uh we'll leave it at that hey lots of drama to talk about this week. The Leafs

who can't defend the one guy who was their ticket to winning games is now not going to play. That is going to be a fun and interesting week. Don't forget, CJ showed today as well, trade deadline special. He's got one Sunday this week and then Tuesday

next. Blake. Connection complete.