The Steve Dangle Podcast - Crystalis | May 17, 2021

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, we're giving you more SDP (00:00), the Washington Capitals take Game 1 over the Boston Bruins (13:00), the Tampa Lightning take Game 1 over the Florida Panthers, the Sam Bennett's suspension, & Kucherov's injury (28:00), the New York Islanders take game 1 over the Pittsburgh Penguins (1:00:00), Price & Gallagher's AHL stint and Adam thinks the Leafs are doomed if they play Frederik Andersen (1:16:00), the leave Morgan Rielly alone (1:31:00), and Adam picks the best time period (1:35:00). Originally aired: May 17, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/a-et2JSscnY Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://betmgm.com/dangle https://helixsleep.com/sdp https://ca.manscaped.com/ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake let's go oh well it's the first show with a um a first dose crew we all have our first dose of various vaccines it's great it's fantastic and it's like uh the jets and the sharks so which which gang do you guys belong to are you derna gang or pfizer i'm derna oh what jesse what are you i got the pfizer vaccine that's right pfizer gang we're we're all loyal to giant pharmaceutical companies now yeah we are you know what i wanted to start it off as a celebration though this is great we're a step closer uh it's only it's been a very frustrating ride in ontario especially in canada's had a bit of a rough go but things are going better um so we're very very excited and

and there's more doses arriving daily it's fantastic news it's great and we thought we might add to that news whether you have your first dose or your second dose or whatever it is you have um how about three doses and three masks at the same time in your car that woman who got six doses did you see that he was administered six doses of honestly she started glowing after a purple creature killed her bald friend my god she gets free wi-fi for life though it's pretty oh yeah isn't it great no three doses of the steve dangle podcast every single week what do we think about that but we've been playing around with this idea for god years and we are actually going to move the steve dangle podcast to three episodes a week we will be doing mondays

wednesdays and fridays and we are basing uh this on some you know we've had a lot of messages over the past going you know guys i wish we had you more or or you know sometimes you know you'll be listening on like a sunday and our last show was the previous thursday and things are a little bit different or out of date or whatever and uh so what we're trying to do is kind of see how that works and uh we want to know what you think so we're going to give it a shot try it for the playoffs see where it goes and if all things go well then we'll consider doing it all next season as well and we're all kind of excited about it now friday show is going to be kind of special it's going to be a bit of a party show uh a little bit looser uh a little bit more games

and a little bit shorter you're used to you know two and a half or sorry uh an hour and a half two hours uh the friday show will be an hour long uh and it'll just kind of be the the the happy hour the steve angle podcast happy hour what's that the kickback kickback we're gonna aim for 90 need 90 60 right is that is that the plan that's what we're aiming for yeah all right so the thing is we want to we want to spread the love around check how check out how this goes and hopefully um this works out so we're going to give it a shot look out for us wednesday and friday this week along with this monday show yes jesse in celebration i have uh a question for you guys what is it so i have three things to give away i got two mugs and an are you in t-shirt so do

you want to give i'm going to give away them on instagram i'll uh post it probably tomorrow morning do you want to give it away to one person gets three things or three people get one of each i think three people three people three people let's go around three episodes we're going to give it to three people yes there you go okay yeah i like that i like that how would you like people to win? A code word again? I like a code word.

What's your code word? Hold on to the code word. We'll plant it somewhere in the episode. How's that sound? You gotta listen. You like that? So who's going to say the code word? Because at some point in the episode

you should just say, code word followed by word. And it has to be a really difficult word so that if everybody else is just copying one person who posted it like there's got to be like a spelling error error you have to purposely make in your code word okay now you guys keep it going for a second i'm going to text the group chat i have an idea and uh you guys keep the show going and i'm gonna because literally we're just doing this on the fly so okay this is great this is awesome while while we keep the show going so here's what it's going to be sdp monday dang it's tuesday so we're changing that to uh sdp wednesday hat picks thursday sdp friday

and obviously lfrs whenever the leafs play in their four rounds en route to the stanley cup i like that idea i like that and you're gonna be great that means all the way through to july 15th that's when they want to deliver the stanley cup at the absolute latest so that's the uh we're excited we're pumped we hope you are too three new episodes each and every week and you know what it's basically summer it's beautiful and why not i it's why not i don't is there a time when can you remember the leafs playing in may ever like it must have happened when they were going to the second and third rounds right but it's been all along like i'm surprised sportsnet stats has not said hey this is the last time the leafs played in may so if i'm not mistaken the last time

they played in may was 2013 when the season was a lockout yes it was delayed uh we just passed the eight-year anniversary of the infamous the first infamous game seven which there was an interesting debate the other day now that enough time has passed it is it is the game seven against the bruins i am now least annoyed by well because they didn't belong there the team didn't belong in the playoffs like yeah they were they were on a heater for the just the shortened season they got in yep so it's in 20 oh 2019 i'll die man about 2019 um but it's okay the next year they followed up by getting shut out in the elimination game so that was cool yep very very cool very cool they did that so then let me ask you this um when was the last time the leafs played in june

so if they make it through the first round here when was the last time a toronto maple leaf hockey game was in june you know what's wild adam you know what else is wild i believe the answer is never wow i don't think they've ever played in the month of june i mean a bunch of teams just played in august for the first time right but even even on a regular season you'd have what round three round four in june sometimes sometimes the stanley cup's handed out by like june 10th ish right right around there around the cup final usually starts like last couple days of may we could be seeing if they make it through the first round always a big if something that's never happened before they they'll play a game in june i'm i'm almost positive the answer is never

i want to say i want to say the last time they won the cup it was like may 12th or something like that i for some reason i remember this because i want to say it was within days of curtis joseph being born i don't know i was just looking you know that like i don't well i might not actually know that but yeah if i'm not mistaken they've never played in the month of june and another stat i heard this week i don't know if it's true the last time the leafs beat the montreal canadians in a playoff game because the habs ended up sweeping the leafs at least once last time the leafs beat the habs in a playoff game game six stanley cup final 1967 last time they won the stanley cup wow wow yeah because they they met in 1979 and the habs swept them because the

habs were the habs right they were so i i've told the story before but leafs tv made me cut up that game as a highlight pack so that they could throw it somewhere i don't remember where they were putting it but i was i was watching game four of that series and the habs i believe at all times had no fewer than like three hockey hall of famers on the ice like you see it was preposterous well one of them was a goalie i think that helped but it was i gotta i gotta i have a question about that and maybe this is somebody you know steve you would probably know this but i would love to talk to you know eric angles or arpin basu or you know whomever about it of those habs teams that won five stanley cups in a row which you know the gretzky oilers based on what they did yes they

were great but they get a lion's share of the attention for greatest teams of all time and if you're not including the late 70s habs in that you're not it's not a debate it's funny how little play that those teams really get. Like you never see a retrospective on the 1978 Montreal Canadians ever. You'll see all Gretzky and coffee did this in 87, whatever. I think I would love to know a power ranking of the top five teams, like best to worst of those Stanley cup winning teams. Like what's roster was actually the greatest roster of all time. Because I think if you're going to find the best team of all time, I think you've got to look at that late seventies Montreal team i really do yeah i think they were no you're right better than the oilers better better than

anybody else and no offense to oiler fans you're second uh but but that that late that late 70s montreal team is unbelievable and i would love to know which one of those is the best best best one based on what best best that's right i don't know maybe what you know what we should probably go through that one day and just do a top five on it but it's it's a fascinating time in history you know because uh didn't the the flyers won two cups the bruins won two cups right something along the beginning beginning of the decade and then it was basically montreal until the new york islanders took over and a goalie who a lot of people screamed at us for in our top five goalie conversation we did not include ken dryden who yeah all right he was pretty tough yep yep tough to argue against

that and that's why the conversations like that are so interesting so you know what we're going to start so we got the the three podcasts to get obviously this week again monday wednesday friday wanted to let you know and then let's get into the state league cup playoffs because uh boy did it kick off with the bang bruins and caps lived up to every little bit of the hype that we were hoping for like what what a game uh what a set of teams and a little bit of drama right at the beginning as you know washington loses its starting goaltender and it looks like a groin injury i don't know what it is looks like groin or knee or something that's not going to heal easily yeah you never know all those god everything is connected i've told this story before i was

talking to andrew hammond the hamburglar and he was talking about all his injuries that he's had to overcome as a goalie and i remember he was talking about his back he was talking about his hip he was talking about his knees and i don't remember where it all started you know like it's just one thing forces you to overcompensate with another thing then you injure that thing and another thing has to overcompensate and it just it all gets wrecked so i don't know what happened to vita vanachek specifically but then craig anderson has to enter the game and i straight up did not know he was a capital i had forgotten i think he signed there as like a pto or something like that and so i tweeted i go all right raise your hand who just learned that craig anderson

is a washington capital i know adam responded jesse i didn't see if you responded jesse doesn't reply to tweets no idea wow how dare you so but you know who else responded nicole anderson his wife really yes and she goes i didn't know i like that she was playing around with it like i wasn't trying to be insulting i wasn't saying that he sucked it was just like i had no idea so i went and looked i was like did he even play for the team this year and yes four games he had a 915 what what and like i got some sorry what i'm who was their other backup vinik vanichick and their starter zelius samsonov who right was previously injured i i do not know oh you know who i think is behind anderson is zach fucali oh one of the worst

worst worst pickups i've ever made oh no actually i had to play on his team halifax mooseheads 2014 and uh in my nhl game and he could not stop a beach ball but i scored 100 goals that year so i had him just first overall pick you didn't play good defense no no you got to be you got to be committed you got to be a 200 foot player you got to take care of both sides right both sides right you got to be 200 foot player the worst part about that game or the best part i don't know that was that tom wilson was the best player on the ice the entire time see i love that i do love that i mean listen this is it's two heels fighting except i have a better relation no i don't it's i was about to say i have a better relationship with caps fans i think both caps fans

and bruins fans find me adorable until i call their teams dirty then they yell at me and then they go back to finding me adorable that's that's how i think this works the best thing was and it wasn't very many it wasn't as many as i had hoped but the several bruins fans who are like man i don't know what's happened at big z but the the capitals really rubbed some some dirty off on him it was just like oh my god wow it's like they're just learning he's dirty they're just learning big boy hits he had a really good game for like his role for washington i thought char was unbelievable he's still effective if you use him properly yeah right it's just man there are there are situations where he's going to get exposed he's going to get walked if they like okay you're

allowed to be more physical in the playoffs no one's no one's saying that you can't no one's saying that you can't lay big hits the big problem i had with char in 2019 and the refs eventually turned the corner on this was it wasn't the violence right or the the aggressiveness of chara it was it was uh like just straight up interference like touching guys who do not have the puck hooking tripping because if you get if you go wide on him he's done he's done he's just he doesn't have the foot speed anymore but in a situation where he's in tight i mean you're you're not escaping that that freaking octopus you're you're not getting around that he's just he's too big yeah he's in a cycle situation he's the he's the guy that you don't want to be standing in

front of the net with right no no nobody he's also he's the king the league-wide king of the if you're not paying attention he'll just stick lift your stick 30 feet in the air new favorite thing and i tell you what if ea sports adds that to nhl 22 it'll be the biggest mistake they've ever made everyone's just gonna yeet this freaking flying into the stratosphere jesse you made the point about tom wilson i mean listen i i don't hate tom wilson being tom wilson against the Bruins um it's and I don't hate Brad Marchand being Brad Marchand against the Caps it's kind of fun to watch it's like it's it's it's like two the two Spider-Men pointing at each other you know what I mean like I'm really I'm really looking forward to seeing how this

goes and to be honest with you uh you know once Craig Craig Anderson was in I thought like this is going to go one of two ways he's going to come in and stink or he's going to come and be 2017 playoffs Craig Anderson. Beware of Craig Anderson, buddy. Beware. He's got a gear. It's not always there. Sometimes he just tries to activate it, and he can't.

But, oh, my God, when he's dialed, he's Patrick Waugh, like 1993. He activates a certain mode, and he becomes virtually unbeatable. What are the chances that Henrik Lundqvist can make a comeback? He can be a good backup goalie. Well, he signed with the Caps, right? I don't think he's medically cleared. And if I have the story correct, and I don't know if I do, but if I have the story correct, he was supposed to miss the whole season.

He was progressing well. It started to trend towards he'll be able to play. and then i think he may have had a setback and like he officially cannot play yeah yeah that's correct he's not going to play this season okay but i think the bruins on sorry go ahead the bruins on was it saturday they also didn't do a good job of just peppering anderson with shots like to only muster up was it 22 shots on craig anderson that's not enough if you got a 40 year old third string goalie in that you're gonna wear him out that's the that's the david ayers thing about the Leafs like okay the team's playing great defense but but they have this goalie in

there where you just fire enough shots you'll probably score more goals than the other team and it's but it's uh it sure is an attention grabber yeah right like I mean I'm sure the Washington Capitals who won the Stanley Cup three years ago I'm sure they didn't need reminding that playoff hockey is a little bit more intense um but there's nothing like a 40 year old goalie who's played four games this season that'll uh there's nothing like that that'll lock you in on playing defense that's drama you know sorry there is one thing uh an emergency backup goaltender who's even older yeah but that was a regular season game the other thing uh i i thought was amazing is ovi coming out and throwing a big hit right off the bat the guy's 35 years old

playoff and and he's playoff over he's still throwing hits like that i can remember in like 0809 um i think it was it was a tsn panel and god bless him because i would have felt the same way but they were saying listen alexander ovechkin can't play this reckless hockey forever it'll just it'll just wear on his body and and they were most people cannot yeah but most people are not alexander ovechkin a popular uh thing that i say is shelf life certain like ryan kessler ryan kessler there was no situation where ryan kessler could be ryan kessler forever yes yeah you know what i mean that was and it was going to be a steep decline whenever it happened yeah wayne simmons similar thing cory perry similar thing they're both

capable nhl players but like cory perry won the heart trophy i think he scored 50 goals you know what i mean it doesn't last forever ovechkin is a mutant he just he defies all laws of physics like surely he should and he's barely missed any time really and a lot of the time he has missed it's like uh he got like a covid suspension he was suspended for skipping the all-star game he didn't play the final game of a season because he scored a hat trick to hit 50 the previous game like it's he's missed very little time with injuries he's he's built uh he's a jeep yeah he's a russian jeep well and you know i don't think anything gets the team fired up more than that like imagine you're you know you've just come to the caps this season you never play you

didn't play with the stanley cup winning team you're on the third line and you see the best player on the team the best player in franchise history one of the best players in the nhl ever probably the best pure goal score go out and lay a hit like that i owe like would you not just be like okay i'm get me out on the ice immediately i'm gonna do the same thing leaders lead from the front and alexander ovechkin is the standard like is it like the washington capitals hockey since 2005 has been based on nothing but adrenaline and vodka like it's just he's and it's it's they've been exciting how many years have they missed the playoffs under ovechkin one maybe maybe i don't even know if it's one and they're always they're never first round out

like i'm gonna go more well i mean okay like they were at first but yeah uh i want to say one one year they had crystal ball huay oh well that's that's just setting yourself up for that um i'm trying to because what i'm trying to do is look up their record here um over the course of several seasons and see what exactly when they made the playoffs so you guys keep going with this but it's funny to read it yeah you got it yeah since when what since ovechkin was drafted which was what 2005 0304 he was drafted in 04 but then there was no season so he was a rookie in 05 so 0506 no playoffs 0607 no playoffs 0708 first round exit 090809 second round exit 9-10 first round exit 10-11 second round exit 11-12 second round 12-13 first round 13-14 no

playoffs second round exit second round exit second round exit Stanley Cup first round exit first round of the Islanders last year isn't that unreal like the first time they got over the hump they got all the way over the hump and that I think it was um was it Bruce Boudreaux they had like a they were they were doing some sort of thing back when Boudreaux was the coach and he's like you know if we can just pull out game seven we're going I think we're going to the finals or something and they couldn't they didn't if I'm not mistaken he's never won one I think Boudreaux I believe he's 0 for 8 yeah in game seven like that's I don't even know what to tell you about that right i don't know what to tell you about that because everything else about his record

suggests he's sterling like he's a very very good nhl coach it doesn't doesn't make sense it might just be one of those things right well it just i also want like if you're a leaf fan and you are frustrated as as many are um like look at the first five years of the caps they didn't make it to the second round for you know ovechkin caps didn't make it to the second round until year six something like that and they didn't blow it up they got backstrom they got ovechkin they got uh uh they got a bunch of my green my green was great like they had a bunch of players that they had to kind of formulate and come together it took a while takes time just because no matter the way i look at it is like the leafs need to go to the second round this year that's what they

need to do they have to otherwise there's going to be some sort of seismic shift but they get to the second or third round this year it's like it seems like you're on track that's when i'm back on track i i don't think i'm being dramatic saying if they lose the habs it's an emergency um they they should beat the oilers and if or well sorry they should beat the oilers or jets i keep talking about that series like it's done which is unfair to the jets who seem to always get the leaves trouble um but uh they should beat whoever they play in the second round should they make it there and if they lose i want to see how and then i'll make my judgment based on that because if they finally went around and then suck because they're fat and happy after winning

one out of four friggin rounds then we can be upset i really so i was looking i did my whole little playoff tree and i was looking at all the scenarios and i they really they really do have the potential to do something special it's not until the third round where i'm like i wouldn't really rank them as the favorite but even a team that's not the favorite can win it happens all the time in hockey it's hockey so that's why i want to hold you there because i do want to get to the leaps a little bit later just you know um just because i know that we we did kind of jump off into that sorry because i brought it up so it's my bad happens uh but i did it because i want to make sure like like you know people talk about the matthews marner era which is what it's

becoming um you know look at the lemieux era doesn't even win the cup until yager shows up right barely makes the i think they made the playoff once or twice in the in the first five years lemieux was playing lemieux like second best player of all time maybe a lot of people's minds first best player of all time um it's a it's a very very it's a weird sport that way and i want to caution every leaf fan out there be like listen it takes a while anyway ruins caps what a pleasure to watch i believe their game is on tonight as well so that's going to be fun game two now the all florida matchup was that not everything it was billed to be too i feel like we slept on that series a little bit

because i for a long time now i've been looking at the inevitable the so-called inevitable collision course between uh colorado and vegas yeah well all of a sudden that's not looking so good on account of minnesota uh is up one nothing and they're good but we all knew that like what what a consequential last game of the season for colorado because not only win the president's trophy but they get the blues instead of the wild right um but uh way too focused on that potential second round series we completely missed the one right in front of our eyes in the first round florida tampa we were like oh yeah that's good focusing on the fact that it's the all florida matchup that game that game like i saw someone tweet that is the kind of game who gets that is

the kind of game that gets people into hockey you know what i mean you can you can watch it and like and florida i mean it really the panthers could use that right it's it's it's sunshine or sunrise well and if i'm not mistaken uh i think it's tony x on twitter i want to say the the first game he watched was game seven blues black hawks and i want to say it was the year the blues finally beat them like what a great introductory game if the first game you ever watch is the lightning versus panthers game one come on and it's just like last year in that quintuple overtime against Columbus Braden points the hero again I gotta ask you the question before we get into that the Sam Bennett hit what were your thoughts

on that that's a that's a suspension like he got suspended one game uh the NHL did that this afternoon and like that's I don't think you can argue that the the part where the the place on the ice where he comes from it's like it's almost at the blue line and then he makes the hit all the way in the corner is like there's no real excuse for striding that far just to lay a body check that's a especially just right on the numbers that's a suspension blake coleman i'm sure sucks to play against that's why tampa likes him so much but i was sort of surprised that he targeted him in that way no blake coleman was on fire too he scored the opening goal i believe and then he assisted on another one he was having a really good game and sam bennett just out of control

Sorry, that was the one thing that I missed. Oh, I didn't see that. So I had a laundry list of things to make sure I got to, and I missed that. So I just watched it for the first time. Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit.

No, that's a horrible hit. It's exactly the sort of hit you're trying to take out of the game. With that in mind, okay? With that in mind. Yeah. In the regular season, had he thrown that same hit, is that a one or a $2,000 suspension? I was going to say.

Is that like three games? at least yeah at least like I don't I don't know if Sam Bennett's got a record um but I don't think Calgary played him enough for him to have a record it's exactly I don't think they gave him consequential ice time in the way I mean look at the way the guys perform since he's been to Florida like I now if I'm a Panthers fan I kind of sucks that he's been their best player or one of and now he's not going to be in the second game for a needless reason like really he didn't need to do that but what a performance and people are like oh I bet you want to eat crow i'm like yeah i'll eat all the crow that is not the sam that's not the same sam

bennett i saw in calgary that's a different animal he didn't want i think we all know now that he didn't want to be there like he did the he did the james harden thing where you get fat and you don't want to play your game so you get traded and and sam bennett didn't want to be in calgary and he made that very clear to the media and then to man well to management and then to media when it didn't work going through management and then they shipped him off and he's like okay i'll start playing hard again because i'm on this really fun florida team and he's he's looked great and i mean by the way does anyone want to play in calgary anyone well this is anyone want to be a flame right now right this is this is the thing like uh you know motivation is a funny thing

not every not everything gets people motivated some people respond well to good cop others bad cop um i mean the flames went through a variety of cops um and i think are uh nearing the end of the true living era i mean i don't know how many bullets that guy's got left canadian gms so hard to get fired good lord look at the canucks uh they're having a hard to get fired gm olympics right now it's a three game series we'll see who pulls it off between the canucks and the flames um but uh he's no there's no mistake in here and we talked about it uh before joel quinville yeah oh you shouldn't be shocked you know like we really forgot about that until like the game i was like oh yeah quattro's there i forget about it every time we talk about the panthers

he is the panther sorry he is the panther but like that's how good he was and that's how good the i guess you can call them dynasty sort of that's how good the first half of the 2010s blackhawks were that i still i think it's like two years removed i still associate joel quenville with them he's that good he's that good i i also want to say there was when we started this show and this again is a long time ago but there was the we did have conversations with people that came on the show guests and stuff in our original days that um that would talk about well how much affect as a coach really have firing a coach hiring a coach i think we've seen um that it may not be every coach that is that consequential to a team's win and loss column but guys like

barry trotz guys like uh joel quinville i mean you look at from a leafs fan perspective look at the change in the team since sheldon keith took over sometimes it's not that they're a bad coach Because I think Mike Babcock, for his blemishes and the things that he did wrong, came in and changed the culture here. Him and Lou. There's no question. And that started with Brennan Shanahan. Like, there's no question that Mike Babcock did have positive effects on this team. But he outgrew his time.

And when the team and the players and the coach are not the fit, like Torts in Tortorella in Vancouver, it doesn't work. But you look at John Tortorella in Columbus, he's been squeezing blood from a stone for how long? and only now has it kind of fallen off there are guys in this certain coaches in this game that really do make a big difference I would as much as I hated I'm coming around on John Tortorella as well on that one and I think Joel Quinville has changed the way the Florida Panthers play they're they're I mean really what are they this year that's that much different than what they were last year other than they traded Vinny Trocek to the to the Canes well they've also done a really good job in the salary cap era of identifying cheap players to fill out the rest of

their lineup right and there's no weeks march really dude mason marchman um there's some debate there i think we need to give dennis mulligan like an opportunity to make an argument here because like he was in europe would have been dennis mulligan he would never have played he's The Leafs are too deep. He might have. He might have gotten in the lineup. Like, he's a likable player. He's, I think, a Toronto player.

You know what I mean? Plays that sort of, oh, reminds me of 93. Like, he plays that sort of game that people really enjoy. Carter Verhage. That's who I was about to bring up. That's the guy who won a Stanley Cup with the team they're facing right now. You know, last year, they bring him over for a million dollars. And now Carter Verhage is a top six forward.

pat maroon for 925 on tampa well on tampa yeah um uh i just had the name and i lost anthony duclair yeah yeah there's another cheap deal he's not making league men but like he's making far less than a guy who had the season that he had last season should be making or even them just holding on to their stars hubert or embark off and paying them each 5.9 million when they're clearly nearing $10 million guys, and then just waiting it out until everything is coming together, which is right now. And then you have these guys

on $5 million deals. I'd give Barkov $10 million and not even think about it. Right. I'd give him $12 million. In today's market? Dude, I know what you mean. If he were a UFA, right? Oh, yeah. If San Jose was

offering Tavares $13 million two and a half, three years ago, Barkov's worth that. He is. yeah no you're not it's just it's just the panini screwed everything up let me throw this at you Anthony Duclair who apparently turned down long-term money from the Ottawa Senators you know bets on himself goes to Florida I remember we were discussing this you know in the fall going like I don't know like this is a bit of a toss-up you've got a long-term deal on that so he goes he represents himself signs his own deal with Florida shoots less than his career average in in terms of

percentage so three points below what he normally would shoot he's usually a 12 percent shooter he's shooting 9.6 this year and he has 32 points in 43 games and that's shooting less than he would have and injuries too and yeah i mean well yeah he was on pace for his uh best career season in points if it was a full 82 games it will if he had played a full 82 that's incredible yeah it's it's a season where they needed to find bargains and i mean we just named three you know mason marchmont was not marvelous but for league men i mean for for him to even play minutes on your top line as a fill-in is good um verhage i mean it's pretty self-explanatory and anthony duclair and and what'd you pay for them it's like less than three million bucks combined something like that for

about three million bucks come on that's that's extremely good and then we don't even bring up guys like gusev who's oh yeah they didn't even start and they got him for free all right they didn't even have to trade for i keep forgetting he's on the panther the the panthers are full of guys i keep forgetting are on the panthers how did goose end up there what was the story there again the devil's bottom out wow i wonder what's bottom out because well and to be fair he was doing that had to be a money thing with the devils because yes he was doing nothing but like you moved heaven and earth to get him he was good last season and at the first sign of trouble you're like actually never mind goodbye the problem was he was making too much money it was 4.5 with the

devils and they were like okay we're not going to pay you 4.5 to put up 10 points this year or he had five points in 20 games so even less but then he had five in 11 with the panther yeah and they said let's cut bait and then the panthers bring him over and he's like all right i'm decent again and uh i mean looking at his numbers i guess he wasn't even in game one so but but like to have nikita gusev who had 44 points last season just oh just in your back pocket yeah those are extra skaters yeah it's pretty good right so tampa wins it in overtime i think three of the four games thus far have gone to overtime regular uh oh that was the regular one yeah yeah that was the regular one okay he doesn't have their playoff stats updated so maybe he was the one thing that that

people were tweeting about a lot and i i wanted to get your opinion on this are you upset with the handling of nikita kucherov and his appearance in game one there's no doubt that he was ready for like three weeks now at least like yeah he was unbelievable scores two goals he was didn't miss a beat like he's been ready to play and they've just been holding him back and there should be there should be um a fine associated with that i think because you can't purposely hold players back who are healthy i look at it as i i don't really think tampa did anything wrong when everybody is committing shenanigans um cap friendly.com is right now it's on it's on playoff mode so i'm not really sure how to look up what i want to look up right now

but i want to look up how many teams so the cap is 81.5 i want to look up how many teams spent above 85 so like you spend between 81.5 and 85 i think you're using ltir roughly the way it should be but if you're spending like 90 there's i think there's a few teams spending like a hundred million dollars i know that the leafs have done that the leafs have done that in the past yes and it's to me it's not tampa doing something illegal it's a system that makes no sense right the system is there to prevent teams from spending too much money because it puts the league in financial peril and it's failing so here's what i would ask you uh is the counter argument not that that it's working pretty well because a small market team like tampa is able to spend

that much money and hold the heart winner from 2019 out of the lineup for the entire season well it'd be fine so it's fine it's funny there was an argument that oh really they're gonna hold their heart winner out and that's a great strategy for them okay their galaxy brain it literally is no but then you remember they won an entire stanley cup with one period of stephen stamkos who scored by the way that one period who scored that's right and probably shouldn't have played because he was very injured but he scored but he scored the second the second he scored i'm like well because that was game three and i'm like well they won the cup yeah they won the first team to ever win the cup in game three my only thing is i don't i don't know how you enforce it

when all the reporting from their own team is on the level like they can they should be like no he's injured he's got to stay out and then all of a sudden he's healthy again like so there's no way to prove that they're lying quote-unquote because it's all their own reporting jesse to that point steve always says if with nhl players you could make up a reason there's always a reason they shouldn't play exactly and he wouldn't be as rusty as he usually uh would be like his last game was late september and the playoffs are beginning in may it's nine months long time you know yeah but it would usually be like june and then like he might have who knows he might have had enough time to come back so i'm looking here i i got cap friendly open i figured it out so 81.5 again

is the salary cap as far as i can tell i think half maybe more than half the league 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 almost half the league spent more than that so who's egregious the wilds are just underneath with 80.8 bruins are just underneath with 81.1 then we get the montreal canadians 82.2 this is this is his final cap hit i'd love to know actual money money i'm sure cap friendly would help us out with that if we asked yeah probably i'll send him a text after but yeah uh the lightning let's just skip to the top 98.8 that's how much cap they used this year 98 get out of here ltar used 17.3 so what's amazing about that is kucherov's only a little more than half of that so they would still be uh like second

or third in ltar used without 9.5 million from nikita kucherov come on now this is when this is when I look at people and it goes, so you don't think my luxury tax idea is a good idea. Anything that's not this is a good idea because they're, yeah, they're literally, they're not abiding by the rules. So my suggestion is let them spend a little bit more, let them spend a little bit more and make them pay an egregious penalty for it. And then support the small market teams who then can spend more. It's crazy. I don't understand it, but you know, whatever so the the thing I want to say is if this is how it's structured like in an 82 game season there is absolutely no way this happens it's only because it's shortened it's only because

Kucherov's injury was pretty bad that this actually happened I you know I know people are extrapolating going well this is this is part of a larger problem how many superstars do you really see being held out by their teams because they wanted to re-sign Eric Cernak as important as he is like honestly i don't think that anybody's going oh well you know what the edmonton oilers they may hold out leon drysaddle next year because they need a goalie like that's not gonna happen that's not gonna happen in an 82 game series season and and and if that is the way the rules are structured tampa took advantage of that you do anything you can to win so i i laugh i laugh when i when i see people go like well this is this is outrageous this is ridiculous

listen, this is happening so much. It's not happening that much. Big players like that are not going to be sitting on the sidelines for an entire season. This is not going to be a regular thing. And by the way, those players, do you think Kucherov wanted to sit out that long? I'm sure they said to him, listen, Nikita, this is going to kind of suck. But if your timeline is early May, then we're going to hold you out an extra couple of weeks. That's an agreeable situation. But if you say, Nikita, listen, it's October and your start date is mid-January. We're going to hold you out till the end of march right not going to happen like how many players on your favorite team i was going to say the leafs but let's include everyone how many players on your

favorite team do you think are heading into the playoffs right now at a hundred percent i'm willing to bet it's at least less than half it's at least less than half of your roster so riley nash is going to play his first game as a leaf and he's just he's just great he's fine he's 100p 100p and freddie anderson and zach hyman and carrie price and brendan gallagher and shea weber who i don't even think is practicing and like who are all expected to at least dress for game one you know so uh i don't hold this against the lightning um i mean if they've done if they've done something that they cannot do jesse i 100 agree with finding them i don't think they did can i can i throw something at you guys they can't they can do it because there's the situation in place allows for

caps or convention like it's a it's a thing in the in the in the collective bargaining agreement where you can do these things so yeah they didn't do anything wrong it's not in the system of it but if we follow the spirit of it the game would be a lot more boring right but they got a free 9.5 million dollars on their salary cap for the entire season because they held out a player longer than he should have been out nikita kudrow had hip surgery in uh the fall he would have been ready to play this season if they just didn't care about the cap space and with that in mind vladimir tarasenko will dress for game one for the st louis blues just announced 10 minutes ago who are number two in lti are used at 8.6 how much does tarasenko make it's like 10 million

a year or something like or eight million oh he's on a nice deal i want to say 7.5 oh is that it okay well you know uh and the aisles are oh dear oh heavens the aisles are third at 6.9 of course they are because because lou's running them of course and then uh the next few teams you look at them and you go ah of course all the playoff teams the next teams in order are the canucks the blackhawks and the ducks so like i look at that and i'm like okay so those are just teams that needed it well the Blackhawks are because of uh Taves right right that's that they're all season is that what he counts as as LTIR yeah I believe so yeah he's I find it so odd that we just didn't oh yeah he is on LTIR according to like Seabrook was out right uh oh my god Taves is on LTIR

seabrook shaw zach smith that's a little different circumstance yeah alex kneelander oh yeah it's all different but zach smith 3.25 shaw 3.9 seabrook 6.875 taves 10.5 and uh also added on to the tampa situation they have marion gabrick still on uh their ltir just to get them to the LTR floor or whatever it is. On what team? Tampa. You're lying.

He's a salary cap hit on their LTIR to get them. You know how it's like if you push the limits of the LTIR, then it starts adding to your cap space or whatever it is. That funny thing.

So they have him there at I think it's like 4.5 salaries to push the LTIR to get him a little more and then you add on Kucherov. So there's a lot of shenanigans going on here and the nhl needs to fix this salary cap situation i'm adam i love your luxury tax idea it's a lot

better than this goofy thing that everybody's lying about yeah nobody's spending over except they all are like a lot of them are small market teams and what do we name in there how many of those tampa anaheim what else do we have in there oh chicago's big market no yeah so steve look at the let's go through the top 15 oh sorry i was looking up how the frig they got gabrick yeah Where was I? Was I asleep? Where? Okay.

Top LTI are used. Tampa, number one. St. Louis, number two. Islanders, number three. I think Adam might have a point. Small market. Canucks, not really. Blackhawks, definitely not.

Anaheim, yes. Yes. Edmonton, yes. Washington, no, not really. Dallas, Winnipeg. Dallas, Winnipeg. Toronto, the smallest of them all. Yeah, right.

Yeah. And I mean, it's not like, I mean, look at what the Leafs did. they were calling up guys and sending them down and hyman at the end of the season there were three guys who could not play or two or three guys who could not play because the leaves literally couldn't afford it sandin is a leaf and they made him a taxi squad guy because they couldn't afford it so everyone's exploiting the system it's just the system you want to make the tampa bay situation fair tax them tax them on holding kucherov out tax them do it they won't do a little you want a little more evidence that this whole thing's rigged so gabbert comes gabbert comes over on uh

december 27th in the in the deal for um braden coburn to the senators cedric uh paquette and a second round pick and then tampa got gabrick and nielsen and then four days before that they had announced that kucherov is going to miss the season so they they know they're going to throw kucherov there for the season they go out and they acquire gabrick's ltir and the rest is history it's not even on nhltradetracker.com like it's the ottawa tampa deal on december 27 2020 man that's why we missed it it was december 27th yeah so fully in christmas mode wow shenanigans and like but like it did come with risk they put tyler johnson on waivers i think twice and just no one could afford them so and that's a calculated risk you go okay we're gonna do this

we're pretty confident we're not gonna lose the player for nothing well actually didn't they want to i thought they wanted to i think they actually might have wanted to in that particular then they could have avoided this situation they and what's funny though so again number two is the blues at 8.6 so if if the lightning just went and wipe five million bucks away from that there's still like four million bucks more than the blues they just they just um listen uh brandon pridham and the leafs and their little abacus crew they they do a good job but uh boy this is a master class oh yeah from the tampa bay lightning and it's possible a because of the shenanigans and finagling like that word shenanigans what is that shenanigans and finagling which is the title of

this episode that's a dirty word finagling yeah no it's not i think the title of this episode should be three episodes per week oh there you go so put the you know put the bow on it but I think I have the ultimate question. Okay. If this was the Leafs, would more people be upset? Yeah. 100%. Yes. But again, it's a small market team doing it.

This is what Gary Bettman wanted. Small market teams to be able to pay big market money. Well, and people just, okay, everyone looked at the HOSA thing and there was enough plausible deniability and everyone just went, all right, I'm cool

with people cheating. Like, okay, even if they're not cheating, I'm just fine with it. Who's innocent? Who in the NHL can you go, ah, there's nothing amiss here? If everyone's cheating, then everyone's innocent. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, this might be a bit of a reach.

Give Ben Johnson his gold back. Yeah, because the entire race was cheating. But with regards to that, what is it that you say about law and society? i'm gonna get this wrong but it's something like if if the if the majority of society can't follow the law then you got to change the law because it's it's not gonna it's not gonna work with human beings if the majority of the teams and we're just under majority of the teams cannot stick to the salary cap then maybe change the way it's done make it simple we don't have to make this that hard it's not a hard thing this is easy like really you don't have to galaxy brain

a salary cap it's super easy you can spend this much money and if you include a luxury tax for every dollar you spend you have to pay two dollars to the league who will then dispense it to smaller market teams or money losing teams there you go i mean if the nhl is happy with what they're getting yeah just leave it hey you know what maybe take the extra money start a women's league i don't know pay them fairly weird it's just this crazy fucking idea i don't know like i just like jesus I think we're not spending enough time ridiculing the Columbus blue jackets who use $10,000 of LTIR. And I think that's shameful.

So I just love those little piddly things where I'm like, how did you even, if I was cap friendly, I wouldn't have even got out of bed to put that on my website. They're committed to, to being excellent. Unlike us. Now let's get into the Knights and the wild tight game and Mark Andre

flurry for a guy that was stabbed literally in the back by his head coach with a gigantic sword last literally no literally peter deborah took a two-handed sword which is straight out of brave heart like the scottish sword which is so big you can't even carry a shield and he stabbed him right in the back while he was playing and trying to make a save it's bad but anyway uh it seems like they've healed things mark andre flurry's back in and playing great like what a game what a game and and it's unfortunate like i don't want to say it's unfortunate that the wild won because it's fun that they're exciting because they've never been exciting but this is like you know like mark andre flurry sort of deserved that did he not yeah sorry you just the braveheart

thing it was you saw the size of the sword alan walsh tweeted it out i you try flower flowers seven feet tall aye and if he were here it slew the wild with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his eyes I just love

that friggin scene sorry and I can't do a Scottish accent I didn't even attempt it the coolest Marc-Andre Fleury stat I saw over the weekend that everyone was posting was that he he's been in 15 straight playoffs how is that even possible which is insane he's the first goaltender ever to appear in 15 straight playoff

series so that's incredible you know what's just as incredible jesse is that he spent at least half of it with the reputation of being a bad playoff goalie right yeah just you know we can't play in the playoffs did it 15 straight times here's here's how many consecutive years he's been in the playoffs you can't even really look at his safe percentage and go oh he was good this year he was good or he was bad this year or whatever because he's made enough consecutive playoffs that it goes across eras like it's just it's ridiculous it's oh god what a goalie and like i i vividly remember him screwing up that world junior gold medal game because someone told me in the middle of gym class in high school and like the next year he made his penguins debut

and this dude is still playing sporting a 967 save percentage in the playoffs and a 928 in the regular season get out of here have you seen any of the any of the stats guys models about like um i want to say it was j fresh i'm not sure what we're missing so it's basically basically uh goals saved above expected over his career and he was like doing pretty well for a while and then it like went through the earth's crust like he could not stop a beach ball and now as he gets older it's just getting better and better and better well it don't make sense i want to take a quick break steve what's the code word uh chrysalis no you know the cover you texted it back to me oh sorry i think it should be

chrysalis no it's not if you comment chrysalis i'm gonna select you as the winner it's i'm i'm i am cap circumventing this contest steve has ruined it it is now chrysalis we had a better code word and steve and steve's like this is what it's going to be because i texted him the idea is like here it is and then that was 40 minutes ago and steve has if it was 11 years ago i'd remember it okay so look up how to spell it because i don't know how to spell it uh good luck hope you get you remember it's on the sdp and uh instagram account right no at steve at the steve dangle podcast at the steve dangle podcast at t sdp actually is it i think it's just steve dangle podcast yeah at steve dangle podcast on instagram there it is

okay so adam goes what's the longest hockey player name you can think of and so i told him and that was going to be the password oh maybe that'll be the password next time for those of you wondering it's vadim krasnos labatsov is that that's a thing yes i forget who he plays for let me look holy shit i spelled it right on the first try no i did not nope not even close he has not played since 1718 where he played for He's Vadim Krasnos Lobatov, who played for Nizhny Novgorod Tokpeda. All right. So tomorrow morning, I'm going to post at Steve Dango podcast on Instagram,

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Let's take the Cadillac. Find out more at cadillaccanada.ca. luxury sales claim based on smp global mobility canadian new vehicle total registrations for calendar year 2025 for the cadillac definition of luxury yes um now aisles and pens also go to overtime um and i mean first off gotta say i was a little happy to see cappy kind of tie it up in the third period no we are not happy for everything clapping in we could be happy for cheeks clapping and why can't we be happy for him most people are but like he uh man everything about that guy should be an elite hockey player and he does show up in big moments but uh i don't

know what's more big momenty than equaling your 17 game goal output in one playoff game kyle palmieri after the islanders move heaven and earth to bring him there two goals two assists through 17 games gets two goals including the ot winner in game one which is the and i mean this is a compliment the most new york islanders thing i've ever heard of i told you guys like the penguins look great they should win this series they should make a ton of noise in the playoffs but it's the islanders is it they're a playoff hardened team they play boa constrictor hockey and i mean they got to bring out the best in their opponents if you're gonna have a chance you know what i mean the crosby one hand tip get out of here you that was that was awesome

and i think it was a sydney crosby appreciation game yes it's like all the amazing stuff he was doing the problem though is that if if genny malkin if he's not there like you know i know that uh i know that he's hurt whatever but i think that's a different game no i think they have enough they were they were dumb if they're if their power play scores on any of those i don't think it's close or if like the sydney grosby tip goes in like i thought they were dominating that game tristan jari allowed at least two goals he shouldn't have man and like listen uh see So the Islanders are an elite defensive team, top three in the league, and they were last year as well.

But if you provide goaltending against them, they're in trouble. If goals that shouldn't go in start going in, they will beat you. Right? So this is Tristan Jari's series to decide. And that is as a compliment to the Pittsburgh Penguins. and it's also a compliment and criticism of the islanders at the same time you the pittsburgh penguins the way they're built should beat them should beat them but the islanders they man they pull out that secret sauce you gotta you gotta be able to stop those

shots i mean the paul mary won in overtime that's a snipe that's a really good shot i can't remember if it was the first or second against jerry where i was like oof buddy it's uh like michael hutchinson got a shutout against these guys the guy on the broadcast i forget who was comment who was the color guy but he was saying it was um between his ears like jari it wasn't really um anything apparent in in his game or his form it was just kind of his head's not in the right space right now but i don't know you can't stop pucks i mean well he didn't have an amazing season by the by the whole season numbers i know he was bad to start and then improved um i mean hopefully hopefully he's able to get over that man it's uh it went from zero to 100 really quickly for this

kid you know and when i spoke to him in st louis at the all-star game you could tell there was an air of what the frick am i doing here really all-star game dude he played he played 47 american hockey league games the season before going to the all-star game because he had a 921 in 33 games and and so he gets to go to st louis and then there's the controversy with matt murray and all of a sudden he's there he's the starting goalie but i mean matt murray took that spot in much the same way right yeah so you don't want to see this as a trend and like i what what was amazing to me is you know that interesting carousel with the penguins and you know the you got to move on from the old guy and the new kids here and then there's another new kid behind the new kid

and another new kid behind the new kid it's quite a run they've had the three of those and the best one's the old guy it's true which i never would have called never would have called i don't think any penguins fan would have called that don't lie to me don't lie to me you would You would not have, during the 2017 run, you absolutely would not have called Flurry being the best out of Flurry, Murray, and Jari. No shot. Nope.

And he's miles away the best. Isn't it funny that the Penguins had to trade a first-round pick to the Knights to make him second, to make them take Flurry? Those are the dumbest deals. And we were all like, well, that's a great idea. I mean, they've got to keep Matt Murray. And, like, you know, imagine, I mean, not that nothing against Tristan Jari, but imagine where they'd be with Marc-Andre Fleury, right?

It's tough. Like, last year I was like, he's cooked. He's done. He's not. Sorry, the other amazing thing about the whole Fleury thing is you can go, yeah, well, it's Vegas, though. Look at the saves he's making. Yeah.

Those are goals. goals as long as we're talking about goals saved above expected um you look at the saves he makes and you go that's a goal yep that's a goal and that's a goal and he makes them he makes them like you the whole you sometimes you need to save argument you know i uh i never hear anyone saying that about vegas but you put in a goalie who's not making saves like freaking marc-andre fleury is I wonder if you're saying the exact same thing about this supposed juggernaut. By the way, I need to correct my predictions, Jesse. You told me that I have to make new predictions for that division,

so my picks to come out are Vegas and Colorado. Awesome. Yeah, because you picked two teams that were playing each other. Right. So now I'm taking Vegas and Colorado because I always kind of take Vegas. And the Leafs screwed up my Sportsnet bracket. Why? They haven't even played yet. No, I know.

when they lost their last game of the season though the that caused the penguins to leapfrog them in the standings oh and you recede in round three and yes so my the final four teams i had were colorado who finished first carolina who finished third the leafs who were fifth but then dropped to sixth in the islander uh the islander the penguins who were six and then went to fifth So my third round is now Colorado, Toronto, fight me, producer Drew, and Carolina versus Pittsburgh. I still have the same result. I have the same Stanley Cup final, which is Carolina, Colorado.

And the other thing about going with the young upstart goalie in the Penguin situations is if you just keep doing that every time, then you save money on the salary cap. Then you don't have to pay the proven guy. Like if you pick Matt Murray over Fleury, then you pay Murray a little less than the guy who's proven it. If you go with Jari over Murray, then you get to pay Jari, the league man, and so on and so on.

So I think they'll just keep going with the young guy and trying to get more guys around Crosby until his time runs out. I mean, we are talking about one game. Oh, no. Hey, listen. Would it be the first game of the playoffs if we didn't overanalyze it? No. We could throw out the whole we're talking about one game thing here.

Every game freaking matters. it's the playoffs and we will overanalyze it to death if we need to okay all right all right had enough of this enough of this um now the playoff series that everybody cares the most about that is on everybody's list that was can't miss hockey canucks flames do it six five in overtime i have to give the canucks credit though and you should give me credit for even bothering to find this out the the canucks came back from 5-1 tied it up flames win it in overtime that still is pretty good right i uh i refused to give a shit about the game i didn't even know that cool cool good i mean guess guess you and jesse guess who who scored the overtime winner just

guess for no reason horvat well no flames one flames oh it wasn't sorry sorry horvat on his net no jesse uh luchich ah other l lindholm for no reason at all the flames came back sorry no no um the canucks came back came back tied it it went to overtime flames win oh sorry i thought that was a mandatory loss because no sense you know that with the leafs it is um the can they can they move up and down in the standings that's a good question that's Like, is there literally a point to play in the games? Because if they can't even move in the standings, then literally. It's so funny.

I was thinking about it the other day, Jesse. On that point, Chris was talking about on the last show, Chris Johnson, which, by the way, you need to watch that show. He was saying, well, we need to fulfill these things to sponsors. What's any sponsor getting out of those games? Like, what are you getting? Who's watching them? So they can hop up and down the league overall standings.

Okay, so they could catch Ottawa. no but in the uh the like third the list of 31 teams they could leapfrog like san jose and la and ottawa and yeah and really who wants to win this game if you got the high draft pick out of this calgary and vancouver are not playing in the playoffs they want the high traffic who wants to win this nobody wants to win this neither group of players gives a shit about that neither group of players gives a shit vancouver especially should uh they need to surround i was they need round pedersen was younger stars man i do i gotta say though i think it was justin bourne who was like who is throwing a hit and then i see the highlights and i'm like holy shit they're hitting

they're fighting i mean so i do i gotta give the players credit for playing these piece of shit games they're piece of shit games but they're not treating them that way they're trying they're giving a a damn they're actually because they're competitive they're in even a bad day in the national hockey league is still a day in the national hockey league if you're a professional hockey player so you know we're all expecting shinny because we're thinking like us we're not thinking like a professional athlete which is irrational it's just a league full of irrational people like we we i mean that's how you get there i guess like that's why we watch them that's why we watch them no one's watching me play sports no i would watch you play sports

i would i would yeah but you watch snakes on a plane like that that's that's uh that's that's what i'm like it's snakes on a plane not i've never seen that movie you've never seen snakes on a plane no that's like a 20 year old movie how dare you is it 20 no i don't know it's old i've watched you play sports steve i've watched you shoot pucks on david ayers just in my living room for fun uh 2006 it is 15 years old there you go it's 17 year or is 16 years old man 2021 yeah well good gosh darn i did not know that close to 20 years holy smokes how many tickets do you think we could sell to watch steve play sports well i think we could do pretty well especially if there was a charitable angle yeah we could sell yeah we would have to or coca-cola

coliseum but no that's cheating though that's cheating like there's no charitable angle to the canucks flames like it's very nakedly no you are filling the pockets of two already very rich families as well as all their millionaire employees adam who is the richest family in canada like thompson's i believe the thompson's okay so if we said we're gonna put steve in coca-cola coliseum we're gonna give him uh an archery bow and a target and he's gonna play archery for half an hour and we're gonna sell tickets and all the revenue generated is gonna to go to the thompson family do you think we could sell like a couple hundred tickets why would it go to the thompson family because it's just a money grab oh it's supposed to go

to the richest we're just doing it for the money and give it to the more rich people i mean i mean we could or we could give it to uh number three in line galen weston and family owner of yeah it all goes to galen yeah and we could try to bump them up to pass the thompson family number one take it from bronze to a gold galen and we'll give out like ten dollar loblaws gift cards so it feels like you're getting something for your ticket right jeez i'm just looking at the top uh the top richest families in the world uh the rich sorry richest family in canada yeah so the thompson family are worth 41.14 billion dollars that's gone up 5.2 percent um in the last or in in the last five years joseph sai taiwanese hong kong canadian billionaire businessman founder

of alibaba uh that makes sense it's a technological it's an e-commerce company they've gone up 73 percent in the last five years so most of his 14 billions has come recently so this guy like when we started this show was just a millionaire what a loser am i right who's the richest person in Oshawa see if I can find one if there's anybody in Oshawa might be you I don't think it is no Steve nobody makes their residence in Oshawa to no one's surprise but richest person in Oshawa let's see what google says who's the most famous person from Oshawa um from Oshawa yeah so there's so many people who are from durham region that are like listed as whitby but i don't know if they're actually whitby yeah you know what i mean that is true that's very true

um okay so you know what let's move on to the last little bit here obviously um let's abandon that i agree a little bit probably sean avery or daniel caesar at the art could be that daniel caesar for sure probably he's from oshawa it says nhl player sean avery list of people from Oshawa yes sorry hey I'm not from I'm from Scarborough everybody you leave me alone all right I do not claim that man um Leafs and Habs uh Carey Price and Brendan Gallagher will condition with uh Laval uh this week for three games before game one so it looks like they'll probably be back unless Carey Price plays like Freddie Anderson did um and uh well Freddie was not good no Price is playing game one you think so unless he's injured kerry price is playing game one if i'm

reading the tweet right price's last game in the ahl was 2007 galleys was 2013 which is a lot longer than you think like that's years ago that's a long time kerry price's first okay brennan gallagher's last ahl game predates the podcast and carrie price's last ahl game was during my first season of lfr i was still in high school jesus when was your first lfr what year of university were you uh second okay so i would have been in humber college not fully dropped out yet um the uh dropped out i like that the uh the other thing is um uh jack campbell will get the start for the toronto maples now here's what i bet happens if the leafs don't win the first game they're gonna put freddie anderson in for game two and they won't win that one the way he's playing

so if the leafs don't win game one they're not gonna win a game there's my prediction no yeah no yeah jack is getting more than one game of rope no someone get out of here i was gonna save this for the press conference but since we're having the discussion right now uh someone tweeted us that games three and four it was noah underscore banks on twitter that games three and four are back-to-backs so is that the game where freddie comes in game three you shouldn't uh there's uh there's an argument to be made is the argument we should let them into the series no guys he stunk he was terrible he was terrible in the ahl and he was terrible in the nhl why are we playing i don't care what he's done to this point what is he right now maybe i'm

really stupid but i'm not even sure price plays that both halves of the back-to-back i'm not sure alan's good he's he's at least as good as a potentially still recovering from injury carry price you know what i mean you're sheldon keith what are you doing games one through four who's your starters for each game well game one is jack campbell game two is jack campbell game three we have a look at games one and two and use that to educate our opinion for games three and four okay if jack is lights out for game one and two i consider giving them three and four okay otherwise i think he oh that's a really oh it's such a tough decision because it's the playoffs all all resting rules go out the window nothing hard about this okay like jack campbell's

just okay games one and two they can win with just okay it's one it's they're one in one going into game three you're still starting campbell yes jack campbell missed two different stints with injury this season and if you play him in three and four you're risking seeing nothing but freddie but he played steve he played like 11 he won 11 games in a row yeah and he was injured twice in the middle of that the extra 24 hours and they're like well okay so then he played didn't he start something like 15 games in a row or something like that before they got dave yeah yeah so you know the extra 24 hours in between even if it wasn't a back-to-back he still gave them a chance i'm just worried the least are going to galaxy brain this and go well you know

freddie's freddie earned it freddie earned it last season he didn't earn it no he no then he doesn't play unless he has to why do i feel like i'm telling the fan base to have faith in the leafs what have i ever no but are you telling us to have faith in freddie anderson no i'm telling you to have faith in the team's decision making oh whatever they decide listen this is the same going to arbitrarily give it to freddie listen they they arbitrarily gave the top defensive position next to morgan riley to cody cc last year and that worked out great i mean listen that doesn't mean that they're going to be perfect and i just think that that there sometimes you are so close to it you can't see the whole picture and you go well you know he's still freddie

anderson yeah i wouldn't even be confident with fully healthy playoff freddie anderson he hasn't given me a reason to be confident in fully healthy playoff freddie anderson do you know what i mean if jack campbell has a terrible game one then do you go to freddie anderson no he was 17 2 and 2 i give him the benefit of the doubt but i do think the leafs would okay i think oh my god i think they would i think they go right to freddie yeah this team okay so it's funny i've gotten a few messages from people like hey this is my first year watching the leafs oh god and i was just like oh my god imagine well i mean we've all gotten to watch this year's leafs but imagine getting to watch this year's leafs without all the layers of scar

tissue like in your brain like the three of us have just layers and upon layers of scar tissue in our brains but imagine watching the first place toronto maple leafs take on the fourth place montreal canadians watching the leafs with a 7-2-1 record against them i think it was watching jack campbell be 17-2-2 and just going oh they should win and that's it that's the extent of their thoughts in the series oh they should win there's no reason to assume why would you assume they would lose i mean they might lose one or two but why would you assume that and then it's the rest of us going my sweet summer child and we're yucking their yum it's i've ahead of these playoffs i've gone to great mental lengths to step outside of my own head and go all right

what possible reason is there to assume something will go wrong here and this this i will say this is the one pessimistic thing i will say is it's because i'm captain positive here the one pessimistic thing i'll say is if the leafs lose this series to montreal then i don't then i simply don't know there's because all the evidence in front of us suggests they shouldn't lose okay 2017 is a no-brainer it was weird that the leafs did that well against the washington capitals you're talking about the president's trophy winning Washington Capitals against a team that barely made the playoffs, shouldn't have even made the playoffs.

It was full of rookies. It should not have gone to six games and five overtimes. It shouldn't have. Six periods of overtime. 2018 against the Bruins. That team was not as good as the Boston Bruins. They were fortunate to get

to game seven. They were down 3-1. They still blew the third period lead, but they shouldn't have even been in that game. 2019 team i thought the leafs played better but again the final two games right and it's the bruins no one was shocked the bruins won same with the blue jackets no one was shocked the blue jackets won this year is the first year in an extraordinarily long time where they are

clearly clear-cut head and shoulders the best team and if they lose it's gonna destroy the whole way i watch the sport the ending there was so dark i thought this was gonna be a positive thing i'm like a negative one today here's how it's positive that's how much they should win this series they should it should be everyone who doesn't have a dog in the fight is saying the leafs in five or six i can't wait for the lfr's next season it's lfr bracket but different it's lfr it's changed me forever it's broken lfr i just have i have a streak of blonde hair i'm matt hardy i've gone nuts and i've just i i don't know i don't know like like you talk about blowing it up like how about you're the far and away favorites and how do you like the

Leafs could win the president's trophy by 20 points next season but if they but if it's after losing to the Habs in round one how do you trust them you can't if you were in charge of Tampa when they lost to Columbus what would you have done I would have made significant changes to the team and I would have been wrong yeah so I like the point that I think you're alluding to because you have to play the games good teams lose all the time just by the

stroke of luck so if something happens and the Leafs blow this maybe you don't just blow up the team because maybe it was a one off and that was the if there's a 1 in 100 chance that the Leafs lose maybe this is the one

and maybe you bring it back next year and it's not the 1 in 100 chance they're clearly the best they've been in years yes right yeah i don't think you fuck this up i think you give this another shot yeah so you don't think they fuck it up then adam well no no i i still think they're gonna go with the shitty goalie no i think they're gonna put freddie in game two but i think and that means if they if jack loses game one they don't have a chance to win until game three that's what i think adam jesus my prediction i don't know why freddie anderson can win an nhl hockey game because they're gonna dress him dude they're gonna dress

freddie that alone should concern you no he was bad guys come on you're telling me big save it david wasn't better than that i can tell you right now that fredrick anderson was better than david reddick yes also as a leaf also now that we know campbell starting game one it's a wait and see like we'll come back here on because we have another episode wednesday we're gonna preview again and then friday will come back and it'll either be miserable and we'll be like oh you should throw freddie in on saturday or it's awesome and they're like oh campbell's going to again by the way uh james myrtle makes his long awaited return to the steve dangle podcast on wednesday's episode just throwing that out there too i greatly respect the team the montreal

canadians have i think they're built for the playoffs i think they're consistently a pain in the leaf's ass whether the leafs win or lose and that there's no reason to assume the leafs we'll lose this series. Right. There isn't even with dude, if Freddie was, if Freddie started all four to seven games, they should win this series.

If Frederick Anderson, if they said they were going to start Freddie game one, I would still think the Leafs are going to win. Like I don't know why you don't believe he can't win an NHL game. I'm looking at Freddie Anderson's hunk of shit. Eight 95 save percentage. That is a hunk of shit. And he was 13,

eight and three. Guys, they're playing Jack, and they're probably going to win based on the odds. That's why you play to win the game. Hello. If I'm not mistaken, didn't all three lower seeds win? Yeah, it was a good weekend for upsets. Yeah.

Or on one. Washington was the higher seed, I believe. Right. Is that correctly? Washington won, and then Islanders won. so they're the lower seed uh tampa won they're the higher seed vegas lost they were the higher seed tampa's the lower seed they are right yes they are the lower so tampa did win on the lower seat yeah you're correct so like guys guys this is what's happened i'm so scary price of brenda

gallagher playing in the ahl today right like going into the vegas minnesota series you're like oh vegas is gonna take game one and then they lost i would say i would say vegas is a bigger as a bigger favorite than the leafs are over montreal well but minnesota is pretty great like if you were to look at minnesota's record i don't think it's a fair representation of what their team is like i think we've got there's there's caprizov minnesota and then there's everything that happened before but adam if i ask you hey who's gonna win vegas minnesota I say Vegas with a big asterisk now because Minnesota all of a sudden is just spectacular.

But I think Vegas should win. Vegas should win. You got it. Listen, at some point, we got to stop being the shaky knee, quivering voice little kid on the playground and speak with our chest. Okay, you first.

The Leafs will beat the Montreal Canadiens in this series. Yeah, unless they don't because those things happen because you play the games for a reason. yeah but i would i'll bet money that they will they will beat the montreal canadians there it is there it is the least will beat the montreal canadians because they should there and i'm not going to add a butt to the end of it i'm not going to add anything to the end of it they're going to beat the habs it'll feel great and we'll all party right looking forward to that please don't please with jack campbell jack campbell yes with jack campbell thank you

very much all right and sorry one one last thing in the whole amazing goalie performances thing we forgot to talk about cam talbot who i believe set a minnesota wild record for 42 saves in a shutout and just edmonton punch punching the wall just oh and if you look at his numbers like he was bad for a season yep after being incredible and they were like we are done with the cam talbot experiment. Let's give all the money to Mikko Koskinen. When you have bad management, things like this happen. Let's get into the press conference. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer

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another thing ahead of the playoffs everyone you as a leaf fan are cheering for morgan riley yeah stop this stop this you're a morgan riley fan let's go riley that's you that's you until they're out or win that's you that's you in your face if there's no other leaf jersey around but he's your least favorite player uh least favorite leaf guess what you put a riley jersey you on your back yeah yeah you're a morgan riley fan stop kicking the guy out the door this is we've done such a good job this season of holding the off-season conversations at bay i am amazed looking at the roster how little seattle's come up because like they're gonna you're gonna be remember last time i was like hemming and hawing about the idea of losing

Brendan Leipzig it's oh you're gonna be real upset this time you're gonna be real upset this time if you were upset about that like I was you're gonna be real upset this time but um the long-term plan like Sandin I don't look at Sandin and Riley as being related you know like I and I think the Leafs have earned the benefit of the doubt of they just want to keep as many good players as humanly possible right um so sandin is good riley is also good he's i mean defensively oh boy part of me wonders if part of the heel turn on riley this season is that there's better defenders around him because once upon a time luke shen looked like the best leafs defenseman but who was he by a mile and he was surrounded by players who were

worse than luke shen literally a teenage luke shen was given the mantle of hey 18 year old luke shen you have to save the franchise now i remember watching him in person sitting there in the stands and going this guy is the best player on the team right now he's certainly the best defenseman and were taken for granted the things morgan riley does well like there's every other team in the league would happily take this player they would sure what about tampa yes all of them every team would take morgan riley has he been subpar in his own and yes do i think he's going to raise the level of his game in the playoffs yes do you need to be worried about his contract that doesn't expire until 2023 yeah like he's not even at the top of the worry about

this contract 2022 my apologies 2022 sorry do we care we don't care no he's not at the front of the line stop being every bad stereotype police fans guys stop it stop thinking about everything that can go wrong in the off season while the season is still going and stop thinking about your team that finish first stop thinking they're going to lose how about this enjoy the fact that Rasmus Sandin is coming along while you have a fully developed Morgan Rielly right Steve

kind of summing it up exactly I want to get to this question for Adam hold on go ahead Steve finish it say it again say how we should appreciate one more time Stephen goalies go

what's the code word let's go chrysalis all right i want to shout out trevor uh trevor mcdonald he's from pittsburgh a couple of his grandparents passed away from uh cancer so trevor made a donation to a local uh cancer foundation in uh pittsburgh he's a pens fan so why not let me foundation that helps my favorite team and player but also rid the world of cancer so shout out trevor shout out trevor doing lovely stuff so sorry that that happened to you buddy that sucks very unfortunate but adam i want to get to this question for you it's from at sport princess 89 on twitter okay it's very serious

if you could live in any period of history which one would it be and why out of all the periods of history in the world um what would it be here's what i would say if you or anybody else says any other decade except for this one you're out of your fucking mind um you know the reality is we have problems uh but but the um you know i love when people are like man i just wish i could go back to the 20s and dress like a flapper well you know to get there you had to spend your teens in world war one and you had to spend your 40s in world war ii so are you really wanting to go back there no thanks and then people are like well i'd love to go back to 18th century england when when you know rural britannia was like they were they ran

the whole world okay well london literally was a cesspool of shit um people died at 35 lived in houses with like 20 people it would you don't want to go back there this is the whole thing i mean i'd like to go back for a day observe some things i'd love to go see what you know ancient rome looked like uh i'd love to see what um you know what uh like the ancient mongol empire would have been like to walk through a little bit uh but you don't want to go back none of us none of us are cut out for any other decade than the one that we're in currently or decades amount of decades and the reality with human history is that despite the reports you read on the news things are getting better and uh there is a lot of inequity there's a lot of

people living in desperately poor situations i'm not denying that uh but i would say on the on the on the whole humanity is on average better than we've ever been before and well on our way to being better than better than we are now so i think that there is a uh i think there's this whole romanticizing the past that needs to go away it's it's the same it's the south park the memba berries it's the same damn thing yeah people like oh it's just you know it was a classier time it was a better time for fucking who for who so i love politicians we need to get back to get back to when when was it better was it who was it better for when that when happened the 50s who was that good for you know what i mean so i i guess i just look at that situation and i look

at a question like that yes love to go back and observe and just see how things were done and how it was different but if anybody claims seriously that they would not want to live right now that they would want to live some other time other than right now yeah like oh 70s america would have been sweet yeah there were fucking problems then right and and and so i i think we have to take everything on balance right now is the time period i would like to live in thank you very much adam that's great and to add to that uh um this is uh related bogosian has been medically cleared by uh that's darren dragger oh nice sorry i just want is he going to be in the lineup for thursday great question he's been medically cleared and they don't play for another three

days so imagine we imagine we we answered that morgan riley question and and with rasmus sanding and sandy doesn't even dress it's just gaussian and dermot it might be it might be like really It could be. Dermot's been better. Then who? Hmm? Then who? Previous Dermot.

Oh. I thought you meant than Sandy. No. And I'm like, oh, I beg your pardon. No, no, no. I don't think so.

He's been better than the other Dermot we saw. You know what I mean? I agree. Remember in Mario Kart 64 where you could race your own ghost? If he was racing his own ghost,

he would be several seconds ahead of his ghost. Oh, that was fun. That was fun. You try and beat your own lap? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I think that's it

for the show today. We're all done. but guess what we'll be back in 48 freaking hours and one more time steve what's the keyword code word chrysalis what's the hashtag uh steve ruined everything ruined it steve ruined it hashtag steve ruined it yeah all right take two masks go to at steve dangle podcast on instagram to win yourself some of the free gear that we have to give away check out sdpn.ca because we You've got lots of gear coming in. Jesse, do we have anything to announce on that front,

or are we just waiting? Yeah, we're going to have some new clothes and merch accessories dropping on Thursday. But we can tee that up on the next episode because we're coming back on Wednesday, which is before even the drop. Beautiful. I'm looking forward to that. So, very excited, and I get to hang out with my friends

for two more times this week, which is pretty cool, too. I like that. Thanks, Steve. We'll see you Wednesday with James Myrtle.