The Steve Dangle Podcast - D3vils | November 24, 2022

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the Devils have 3 goals overturned by video review (00:00), is Matthews hurt? (37:00), You Can Bet That with Sports Interaction (44:00), Tavares looks great (50:00), the Leafs trade for Conor Timmins (53:00), does Kyle Dubas sign too many Soo Greyhounds? (Conor Timmins), Börje Salming has passed away (1:14:00), teams in playoff spots now that might not make it (1:19:00), sdpn's Black Friday sale! (1:41:00), a James Reimer tattoo (1:47:30), and Start. Cut. Bench. Mac & Cheese. Mashed Potatoes. Stuffing. (1:51:00). Originally aired: November 23, 2022 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Ontario Only. Must be 19+ or older to play. Visit this episode's sponsors: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at https://Manscaped.com/. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. It’s time to get wet and clean with your new MANSCAPED™ Shower Routine." https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/sdp and get on your way to being your best self. https://shopify.com/sdp https://athleticgreens.com/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

hey this show is presented by manscape go to manscape.com slash dangle to receive 20 off your next purchase and free shipping this is steve dangle podcast powered by sports interaction canada's sports book the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wilde and jesse blake three three three there mr palat man boy that was a that was a palat of goals that got called back wasn't it how does it feel to be a loser yeah yeah how does it feel to suck i've enjoyed my 13 game stint as a devil's fan oh you're done completely no no no no no well i sorry 13 game winning streak as a devil's fan i've been a devil's fan since beginning of time birth and

we all believe since months as the kids used to say um but i told you podcasts are not on the internet nope they're not i told you that i would wear devil's stuff until the devil's lost yeah oh no oh he's taking it off oh no oh it's okay it's a medium oh it's a medium oh it's just a shirt it's just a shirt i'm sorry why am i relieved and disappointed yeah yeah so to our wonderful andre palat devil's jersey we'll start wearing you again the next time the devil's go on a winning streak of more than five games how's that sound i like that it has three point one two three i'm just gonna hang how's it feel to win a game you lost four two long may it rest here's how it feels uh no no can't do that that's bullying jesse you can't knock my jersey off so listen

um the devil's shit i just dropped the jersey on the floor that's what it does this is jesse's fault that's what it deserves jesse's fault how i didn't lose listen listen yesterday let's let's talk about this because really the game isn't even about the leafs the game was no the devils versus the refs uh the devils and their fans versus the devils versus the correct calls in the rule book depends yes yeah so i want to talk about this can we go through all three because i would like to break each of them down is there do we have screenshots could we possibly grab that or no i can yeah yeah so let's go to the let's let's talk about what we remember from the first one as jesse's pulling up the image and obviously if you're listening you're not

gonna be able to see this but steve describe the first goal it sucks because both leaf goals were great absolutely like legitimately really nice but they don't need it not even worth talking they don't even matter okay so the first goal talk about the first goal nathan bastion is battling in front of the leafs net um i'm surprised he had the energy uh the energy to battle uh because he spent all morning talking shit what did he say he said oh it's here wait let Let me find the exact quote The Devils media has been asking The guys with the numbers

On each win streak What they think is gonna If this win is important to them I heard you bring it up in the LFR And I saw in I think it was pregame They talked about it a little Because he had that quote So they've been pestering the guys

Because Bastion's number 14 So they're like is this win a big win to you You're number 14 And they did it with who's 13 Is it Hughes? He sure was like this win is huge on 13 blah blah so then next game they asked bastion and then he went really hard at it so then this is his quote well he talked about it's uh you know read the quote i i don't have it on

my phone i think i deleted it after last night but it was basically i think he said something along the lines of the leafs are a bunch of bullshit and i hate them and fuck adam just can you just go and i can't believe that he said that i didn't like that he said that uh i thought it was mean that he said that did you think that was mean it was mean that he said that i'm looking for about the toronto maple leafs i didn't like that he said that i can't find it i can't find it there we go stop looking for the clip and now i've got this quote uh this was from ryan can't pronounce his last name novazinski ryan said uh new york jersey devils forward nathan bastion on the maple leafs if there's any team in the league that i'd want

to beat it would probably be these guys so yeah 14 would be nice get absolutely wrecked there clown shoes now he's from kitchener so he might have grown up a leap fan is he actually yeah that's hilarious but the the main story is he's number 14 yeah i didn't know that context so i liked that it was cheeky but i had to i had to take it there so anyway he's battling in front and matt murray i believe is screened and nathan bastion's skate is making contact with matt murray's skate matt murray needed to get over to where bastion was was he trying to do that i don't know would he have successfully done it i don't know but did he have the opportunity to yeah jesse's finding it right now i'm watching it again why is it marner who's boxing him out right there yeah how did that

I forgot that it was Marner in front of Annette doing all the dirty work. That's very weird and interesting because there was a goalie interference review earlier this season where it was actually deemed a goal because they said Marner shoved the player into whoever the Leaf goalie was that night. So to get to the goaltender interference part, right? They're fighting each other. Well, so his skate is making contact with Matt Murray's skate. and i don't think this is the rule but the rule doesn't matter like leafs fans devils fans can we have a middle ground here that goalie interference is so open to interpretation that the rule doesn't matter that's that's how i have it for me i think it might have been a goal had it gone straight in

but it hit the guy making contact with the goalie and you can't have that and i think also the fact that the shot was on that side where murray was trying to push to right like the shot went in on the it would be his left side of the pad had it gone in on the right it maybe wouldn't have mattered exactly yeah we've seen evidence of that not mattering right but i think in this instance because i think they take every instance in its own vacuum yeah because every call is just whatever that guy at the time is thinking they make it up on an individual the logic there is that matt murray needs to push to the left side if you were to actually physically make that play his skate is touching the player who's in the blue paint on the left side where the puck is now you could

convince me either way yeah yes it's a it's a probable no it's a probable no but it's not like a 10 out of 10 no it's like a 6 out of 10 if you had said yes there was a little interference there but he wouldn't have stopped it anyway i'd be like yeah i believe you yeah 100 i think that was going i think that was going yeah yeah and then i think that that's you know that that that part of it sucks because i i do think um i do think you're sort of like if you're a devils fan like we were if this had been the leafs and we were on a 13 game win streak i would feel by that goal i'd feel a little job right now but not as much as the next one so let's discuss yeah let's discuss the next goal which is uh linked to the leafs forever and ever on man david severson

scoring i believe right wasn't it yeah i don't know who it was who scored all i know is it was thomas tatar yeah who did the little flyby behind the net and knocked over matt murray so so matt murray what's he doing what's he doing matt murray well he's not tending the goal right is so he's that's what he's cycling the puck behind the net although he does a good job of it um and what he what i saw with this goal is matt murray cycles that behind the net thomas tatar comes in behind now usually you don't want to go in and behind like the way that thomas tatar does here because really you could have just cut in front of the net and actually it's a better angle but what happens is matt murray he actually scores the goal he

tipped it i think matt murray though is going back to his net and thomas tatar very quickly runs out of room like thomas tatar is trying to get out of the way because you do see him watch he'll move to the right and matt murray see he's see he's trying to move to the right can't move to the right because matt murray bumps into him and it really the point of contact there is matt murray yeah you could argue he takes a pretty wide swoop yes he shouldn't have been behind the net in the first place because it doesn't make sense for the play like i think what he was waiting on and he could be forgiven for this is a goaltender not tending the goal and fucking it up well and then he could go and dig for the puck here's here's my question is

there something written in the rules that says if a goalie is out of their net to play the puck you have to go on a certain side of them i haven't seen that like with traffic i don't know like because i listen you got to protect goalies more than you protect other players however i watch this i don't think you can i think two things can be true i don't think you can purposefully make contact with a goalie i also think both players are uh entitled to that ice yeah it's like an f1 that's your racing line that's your line yeah that's his line i get the only argument is tatar saw the situation and murray didn't so the onus is on tatar but what's tatar going to do at that point he doesn't know where matt murray's gonna go right i mean he

doesn't really have much of a choice at that point he took the wrong path he did and i also think like incidental contact with the goalie is still goalie interference yeah i see that's how the rulebook is though that's in the crease like a big contact like this that leads to a goal that's still that's just how they call it you don't want plays like that to be okay because you don't want guys just trucking goalies i don't want this play to not be a goal i listen if this were a leaf if this were the leafs i would be really upset so okay there there's a difference here um matt murray gets up and at least tries to make a save there's there's a goal that i i shan't be unupset about from a few years ago against the kings and i think it was in toronto jonathan quick

got hit at least three mississippi before the puck goes in the net and he quits he quit he just laid on the ground not even late on the ground like got up to complain to the ref like while play is very still going on and he's just like no no no it's no what do you mean it's no goal the goal hasn't been scored yet john and he just completely quits on the play murray at least tries like i i'm still upset about the quick one because you know the conversation about uh uh if he would have stopped it or not well he didn't even try quick didn't even try murray at least tries but this is the one i'd be particularly upset about as a devil's fan because producer drew who i'm starting to realize has a leaf a me like memory for avalanche stuff uh there was an almost identical

thing that happened between the devils and the avalanche the devil's goalie i don't remember who it was that night um was behind the net one of the abs does a fly by knocks him over one of them takes a shot it goes in they review it it's a goal it's a near identical because he's left the crease yeah but it's a but they're both the same i know what you're saying and this is why so i don't remember that instance obviously i don't watch abs hockey that closely but i want to tell you i want to explain my opinion on this one and and i know jesse you'd completely disagree but i'm surprised well i think for this one because again you got to step outside yourself and think okay like i i think for sure you're probably calling back two of those three goals

last night this one to me should have been a goal because i don't want to be in an nhl where it's not this is what's accidental content it wasn't like tatar came in and you know thomas tatar the goon that he is through a fucking elbow at the back of matt murray's head he was trying to move out of the way and i think if you're going to judge every situation based on uh not last time we're just going to judge every situation separately like we've never seen this before which is how the nhl tends to do this in the video review room then i would look at the context of the situation and think i see thomas tatar trying to get out of the way of matt murray they bump each other shit happens in hockey especially when you leave the crease and i think if we're going to

leave gray in the rules for this it's not black and white we're going to leave gray in the rules you have to allow for incidental contact outside of the crease with the goalie outside of the crease yes if the goalie leaves the crease that means that they are allowed to be incidentally contacted it doesn't mean that matt you know pull a matt cook and just slam a goalie's head into the wall and i don't know if matt cook ever did that but he would have i'm talking about thomas tatar who's probably never been suspended who only scores goals and never plays anything physical are you kidding me i think for this this guy's trying to get out of the way matt murray skating back to his his net where he should have stayed the whole damn time anyway i i i think tatar made a mistake

when he went behind the goal but the reality of the situation is is it goaltender interference is he interfering with the goaltender's ability to go goaltend and i think once you leave the crease you're not goaltending anymore uh i just i just sent jesse the clip the avalanche player can see what's happening the devil's the devil's goalie cannot that's mackenzie blackwood i think it's cogliano on the avalanche uh he takes the same path tatar does and i count it where he cuts in the near side that's ridiculous they're identical they're identical plays it should be a goal no it was and that's what i mean that should be a goal that play should be a goal every time and it was so why then was like listen i don't tatar didn't hit him he didn't even graze

him with his shoulder he's trying to skate out of the way and their skates click each other this is what the nhl does adam thinks it should be a goal jesse doesn't they called it a goal right yeah so the ruling is a goal the nhl in these situations with goalie interference with penalties with supplemental discipline like suspensions they repeatedly over and over again set a precedent and then don't stick to it and then just get rid of it like what's the point of ever making a decision well yeah what's the point in law you have a precedent set in case and then every case is based off of that why are you making your job so hard nhl you have it it's right there it's right there there should be a folder there should be a little folder that the refs can bring

up on their little tamagotchi screen that they have it's so small please get a monitor get a monitor for five thousand dollars you can get monitors for the entire just give them an ipad amazon no but they they do have an ipad but like dude it's not a big enough screen it's get a bigger screen it's a multi-billion dollar league act like it you're semi-professional ah anyway they set a precedent and they just threw it away like i'm a leaf fan i want them to win there's no difference between that play and what happened last night there's no difference yep i've always been under the impression that you can't touch the goaltender like if you're a skater and you're coming around the back of the net and you run into the goaltender that's

the skater's issue is the goaltender is not as mobile there's a little bubble around him like you can't you can't touch him and if you touch the goaltender and then there's a goal i think you have interfered with the goaltender on an instance where where he should be goaltending so i think that's that's how i always interpret goaltender interference where don't touch the goalie and and you would be right if the nhl stuck to that because i think that's the intention but you know you look at the way dominic hasik used to play if you came in on like a two on with dominator he would charge you oh yeah and and and then throw out the the the the pads and you'd fall face first over them right that's how i don't think the rules of the 90s apply to no but

you're happening right but that's why that's where the rules were made it was fun that's when the rules were made for this stuff that's when they they decided all this sure but i think the modern game now like post lockout post two lockouts post strike post whatever gary benton wants to shut down the league i think right now i interpret it as you can't touch the goalie so then then the goalie is literally if if hockey is chess the goalie is queen and in in under that system the goalie should be able to stick handle the puck up the ice and nobody can touch him that's not no but that's but that's but that's what we're getting into that's not what anybody said i know but what if somebody trips them oh well or what if something what if somebody gets in the way accidentally and

they knock each other at center ice all we have is what about us i know we have out of you you argue against arguing like that all the time this is this is you would be so upset if somebody made an argument like that i understand that but i think we have to understand the rules here no are the goalies touchable or untouchable that's a that's terrible i don't i would like to acknowledge we've just jesse we've just seen an example with colorado and what was the other team new jersey yeah with new jersey we just seen the example of where that is a goal yeah So here's the thing Make it so

If the goalie's untouchable Make it so But I don't think A goaltender Or any player Should be untouchable Outside of the crease The goalie's in the crease

Tending the goal Untouchable Let's acknowledge guys Who are the problem Matt Murray Was not trying To make contact No

Thomas Tatar Wasn't trying to make contact Thomas Tatar Wasn't trying to make contact Mackenzie Blackwood Was not trying to make contact Andrew Cogliano Was not trying to make contact

But the key thing is In both of these plays Neither goalies were trying to game the system. So let's acknowledge the patron saint of flopping, Mike Smith, who was the king of this shit. Going behind the net, a player does a flyby, and he sticks a... And he would always fight.

Nope. Here you go. Teammates clean this shit up. Yeah. yeah he was the original bitter the absolute patron saint of that shit you know who used to get who was a pain in the ass too he knew he couldn't get touched was patrick waugh if you went behind the the net he'd just throw an elbow at you see i think the difference was he he's um there's something the matter with him he wanted to fight yes he was an intense man

for sure he was very intense i understand why it was called back i just don't know if i want the nhl to be in a place where that isn't a goal i think i think if you're talking if you're looking at the context of the situation the player is involved matt murray is not trying to get in the way thomas tatar is not trying to get in the way but they do bump into each other and that happens on a hockey ice surface and you can make that judgment call on video review if you think for a moment the player hit the goalie on purpose you can't have that but i don't think either instance involves a player trying to make even leaf fans are knowing like any leaf fan you talk to like do you think tatar tried to take out murray skates and unless they're legitimately

homer for life everything leaves all the time uh they're gonna tell you yeah there's no way so here's my here's my point i should be maybe i'm maybe i i was exaggerating on the argument about goalie just carrying it up the ice but the nhl needs to pick the well what if a goalie He skates down the ice and interferes with another goalie. Adam, what did he do? No, what did he do? World War II, and he brought a gun onto the ice. He had to pack his musket, and he shot him.

What about that? Huh? What are you going to call that goalie interferes? All I'm saying is the NHL. What if there's a cryogenically frozen goalie, and they come back to life with their leather skates? Walt Disney comes back cryogenically frozen. His brain is a new hockey player.

Yo, okay, I'm just saying, to the NHL, pick one. because you can understand and i can understand we all can understand why devil's fans were pissed after that yeah it's happened before and i don't know personally i don't know if i want to be in nhl where that's not a goal i think it should be a goal those are two different things you're talking about though you're asking where one conversation is ask the nhl to call the rule book as they always call it you have precedence here why didn't you call it the same way yeah and the other ones you as your interpretation of the rule that you'd like the nhl to call those are two different conversations right you know yeah consistency from the nhl is impossible

i think it should be a goal because they've already established it's a goal okay yeah that's fair and if they then if they go in and they go we're changing the rule now this is no longer a goal then it's a new precedent yeah but they've picked two precedents here so then let's get to the third goal because it's the precedent huh get it well this one is oh just a bunch of fun I love this one this one is a goal sorry this one is not a goal it's no out of all the no goals this one is the least a goal

yeah so this one is very very clear but you can understand with an asterisk no no what were you going to say well you can understand why Devils fans were a little bit ticked at this oh it's the third one that's nuts yeah and people were like they just went on a 13 game road or win streak

how can they be mad because fans get mad so what game matters the most the one you're in here's that's true here's what devil's fans were arguing as far as i saw right uh i'm not saying you're all one person this gelatinous blob with uh one hive mind i don't remember who the devil's player was they kick it they kick it and this was a point that i saw made uh a bunch of times they kicked it up it's eric holla they kick it parallel to the goal line right they're not trying to kick it into the net what holla to me is very clearly trying to do is to kick the puck

loose to a teammate or to himself or to himself but i think it's an open teammate who the fuck was in front of the net who is oh look at it look at it here here play it it's so yeah oh oh oh is that bastion again it was 14 it was bastion yeah no way all right here wait so it's been kicked the puck is trickling trickling trickling trickling trickling it's in i don't think bastion touches it now here's the amazing thing had holla oh no no i'm sorry the reason holla doesn't succeed in getting the puck to bastion is he kicked it and then it hit a leaf and it went in bastion is it's robertson it's robertson bastion is an inch an inch from tipping this thing in himself had he done it good goal totally fine but he didn't do it you can kick the puck

wherever you want as long as it's not in the net so i have to ask about that too why i want to i want to walk it back let's go back to the uh the formation of the universe and god created man okay why is the rule just answer this one question why is the rule you can't kick it into that steve i think it has to do with safety because like okay in that situation there's a bunch of feet there uh matt murray is down you know there could be another player down you don't want eric holla or any attacking player punting at the puck swinging their knife shit slicing it would get to a point where the guys who are usually in front of the net the the plugs the steve dangles of the world absolutely are sitting in front of the net

Swinging their foot Yes It would get to that point A thousand percent Oh but it wouldn't get to the point Where the goalie's carrying The puck up the ice And no one can touch him

Huh? Oh Just a bunch of butcher knives Around the net Trying to kick the puck in What if a goalie kicks it in? Goalies are allowed To use their feet

Are they not? Now What if a goalie Made a toe save It bounced off the boards And went in No goal No goal

Yo that's bullshit No goal That should 100% Oh that's gonna happen Okay so It wasn't It wasn't It wasn't

it wasn't a distinct kicking motion read the rule book yeah so here's here's what it's not a kick yeah that you're right yeah you're a fucking dummy hey wow he got it he fucking got it so so then let's let's so the reason i ask you that is we need to establish that now it is okay to redirect a puck in with if you keep your skate on the ground and it happens to go off your skate and in the net nothing wrong or if you lift it a little bit so i want to ask this about the nhl if it's dangerous to do around the goalie you shouldn't be allowed why is it allowed at all you can we've seen players we've literally seen this we've seen players get a breakaway with no stick and you're just allowed to kick the thing up the ice like a soccer ball and it's fine i don't

think that's dangerous to anybody around them no they're on a break what if what if so what if people have fallen in the corners and they're kicking away i don't know if they do they do all But if it was dangerous, we'd see dangerous things come out of it. We don't practice this at our little stick and puck, Jesse, but you're not allowed to skate as fast when you're kicking the thing. So I think their breakaway would end in someone catching them. It didn't in Dominic Moore's case. Still funny.

He went to the net and then he couldn't score. Still funny. No, that's crazy, though. So had Halleck booted that thing as hard as he could, two bastions sick, bastion got it, put it in. that's a goal if Hallup boots it directly into the net it's no goal if he boots it parallel

to the net and it bounces off something and goes in it's no goal if he kicked it toward his own goalie and it hit off of something and went into the leaf net yeah no goal yeah I'd like to see that I would also like to see

that let me ask you this I'd like to see the goalie carry the puck up the ice I also want to see that so we've established where you can kick it where you can't the reason i want to ask this and this is why i get it the asterix makes sense to me why devil's fans are pissed because he is trying to kick it as a pass it goes off a leaf and goes in so i've to me you can make the argument as soon as you kick and it goes off somebody else the kick is now negated i i honestly thought that it was a goal because i thought that was

the rule but it's not and i think that that probably should be the case hockey is so chaotic that like that's a dangerous precedent to set like especially dude there's there's four like forget what team they play for there's four men and one human flesh and bone and one of them's on the ground one of them's two of them right now yeah and in in the screenshot you got is it on is it on the tv there you go um like hockey is so chaotic that you could kick a puck from where holla is and it'll go into the crease and it's got a really good chance of hitting something and going in i don't i don't like that precedent yeah i don't like that precedent so i'm very cool with that not being a goal i just like to point out these silly rules involving pucks and feet

okay all right so at least are we agreed that probably if that were to happen again at least one of those would have counted most likely the first one i will say the devil should have won that game second one sorry devil should have won that game because it should have been two two that means it goes to overtime that means and that's an automatic well yeah and that dougie hamilton goal was good it was really good yeah yeah and i thought here's when i thought the truly cooked when there was a minute left they fire it down the ice and it goes off the post i'm like this is going to be on the highlights tomorrow i'm like this is because it's the leafs they're coming back to score now i has to lost it this this game it was a great game i i i

tune into every game just going all right show me something and like i you know sometimes there's a special one on the schedule where i'm just dialed from the moment it starts but you can't do that for every game so i'm like all right show me something by the end of this game i was as invested as i've been in any game in the last three years it felt like the playoffs oh it was awesome i mean they shouldn't have won what was great oh no they shouldn't have won for sure and i think what was cool about it is like there was you know unfortunately with the nhl there's a there is 20 or 30 games each year for every team that it's like i we're just going at this for two points and that's the grind of the nhl schedule but a lot of the time you get these sorry some

of the time you get these storylines and and the storyline is the devils beat the leafs in overtime last week they are on a 13 game win streak they want to they want to get franchise record 14 the leafs want revenge from last week they want to end the winning streak there is something to be fought over other than just the two points and i'm sorry but nhl players are humans they're not always going to be like fucking ant for two points all the time yeah you know it is sometimes that extra little bit there was an elevated level of play obviously the fans were into it i have to i do have to ask about this it was funny hearing the difference the differential of the quotes last night after the game talking about the beer so you know oh yeah the leaf players were talking

about how dangerous it was and it's and and they're right and the devil's players were saying well i don't mind it so much like we got equipment on we'll be fine uh but it's probably not for the best that's what a couple uh a couple players said that there was a devil's player that said that he's yeah i got equipment on it like i'm not you know obviously they're not encouraging it it's not necessarily about you getting hurt right is it disgusting is it is it disgusting yeah man they're throwing like soft drinks yeah no i think there should be a rule is just don't throw shit at people well it should be yeah you're an adult don't throw food at somebody we've seen that in every city though i think it's unfair for people to be like devil's fans are the only ones who

ever done this like toronto fans threw beer on the field when with the jose batista stuff uh Yeah, one hit a baby and hit a fucking moron. Yeah, like, I think it should be don't do this. As an adult, don't throw beer cans at people. Yes. Across everything. I think actually... Jay's fans a couple times, actually.

The Orioles as well, I think. Yeah. No, some shitty fans. Yeah, so don't, like, the thing is don't do it. I'm also, I have to be honest, I'm not terribly surprised it happened. You have a 13-game winning streak, and these are fans. And remember, it's a crowd, and there's a crowd effect, and there's energy and whatever i'm not totally surprised after three called back goals i'm not

surprised that things were thrown i'm not so the people lose their minds the camera did not catch the moment it started as far as i know but the way i read it started and i don't know if this is true is a devil's fan and i 100 approve of this because it's very very funny threw a hat oh because it was a hat trick a hat trick oh that's funny that's it that's dark humor and someone saw yeah i'm also mad let's throw shit on the ice and it was one thing a pop or one thing a beer and then it was chicken fingers apparently people just throwing thousands of dollars worth of arena food onto the ice it's very expensive yeah which petterson got hit with a bag of candy last night too oh yeah in the vancouver game

petterson oh i was like there's no petterson no in the vancouver game okay so i missed that because i was working on a couple videos last night that i saw some things got thrown on the ice what happened yeah i don't know the context of why oh but uh yeah other than they're mad because the team stinks yeah but people were throwing stuff there too not great yep i think first ever incidents of things getting thrown onto the ice for a wind streak of 10 or more, but like the most unique,

uh, context I've seen someone. So I last night was tweeting about, um, the 98, 99 season. And it made me realize I'm old. The 98,

99 season. Okay. Was the season ruined. And I mean, ruined by toe in the crease reviews remember the crease was a different size it was bigger it was bigger it was a big half pizza it wasn't flat at the ends yeah it was and if you had a toe in the crease they had a crack down that year no goal and every game i swear i had at least one review it ruined the video game as well because we're talking about goals called back in the video

game you'd have goals call back in the video game but it's 1999 video games so you take a shot from the blue line it would go in there's no one around the net they'd be like oh we're reviewing it and you're like oh well it's gonna count and then it'd be like no goal and you had no control over that and you're like what the oh okay sure i'll just try to score again i guess it it ruined an entire year of hockey and then the stanley cup winning goal guess what toe in the crease they didn't care here you go it ruined a whole year someone tweeted me that uh they went to a game in 98 i think it was leafs and blues where one team i don't remember if it was the leafs or blues had three goals called back in the same game i'm sure someone will have the stat if it

has happened before i can't think of it ever happening i can't remember that i vaguely remember like maybe two and likely it it doesn't happen much again three in one game is why that's a lot that's a lot wild yeah and you know the new jersey devils brass are on the phone with everybody today no they have a 24-hour cool down rule you're not actually after the game anything happens in the vein in the game you're not allowed to call the nhl until 24 hours later and i think there's like a penalty associated with that because they want to make sure that they don't have general managers biting their ears off the day after a game so if it happens at 9 45 that night you can't call them really again until two days later that is clever very

clever i would say the nhl did a very smart thing with that rule yeah well i think i think you'd have a lot of gms with a lot of fines oh dude have you ever seen the camera on kyle dubas when the leafs are losing oh you want to be on the phone with that guy no no way no no way i don't you're gonna have a reasonable conversation with a bunch of ex-players and who are bloodthirsty after a game right yeah no way yeah yeah so i mean i think it's uh listen it was a fascinating game last night the devils are a great team what a man like they're a great team i uh they're too fast i'm trying to think of a one season turnaround that i've seen like that um i i also want to mention man we we talked about this before so i'm rehashing something we talked about like three

episodes ago but guys not enough is being made of what washington did with their two goaltenders this episode yeah there's a couple times no but like you saw vanichek save at the end of the game with tavaris right oh yeah oh yeah like i don't know what happened and why who's their goaltending coach varus who made that call marner and tavaris are 14th and 15th in the entire league in scoring and we're not talking about that enough because we're scarred and it's all about wins and losses. But Vanacek and Samsonov,

we're talking two very different goalies on two very different teams and they're having a very good season. And the Capitals go out and they spend big money on the Stanley Cup winning goalie and almost every night feed him to the actual wolves.

Well, they don't play any defense. they should maybe be having some conversations about that uh right mitch's point street continues 14 games 13 games 14 games oh it's longer than the devil it sure is yeah uh austin matthews hasn't scored a goal this season on his forehand no i don't think that's no it's true five on five five on five five on five five on five forehand goal that was chris cuthbert yeah i was like that's what makes chris cuthbert so special he knows shit like that yeah i've seen enough of austin matthews to confidently say something's wrong oh now i think you think he's hurt like i'm not overly concerned

about it because he's playing good hockey but there's something preventing him from being special and i don't know exactly what it is he's still like i think 30th in scoring he's got 21 points in 21 games so clearly busted and hurt austin matthews is a point of game player that's banana sandwich he's so good um but he's playing he's playing and tavaris is playing at a level that is maybe the best he's played as a leaf and he scored 47 goals once the leafs have enough of a cushion that if they wanted matthews to sit for a little bit he could so i'm not overly worried about whatever's ailing him because the leafs don't appear to be overly worried about whatever's ailing him okay um it would appear they have bigger fish to fry because they have no defenseman

so as a fan i should be okay with poppy i mean i watch him play and he's fine it's It's honestly in the offensive zone where he's disappeared a little bit. But teams still guard him like he's the threat he was last year. He does have the shot still. Like I saw that. No, I saw it versus Buffalo last Saturday. He has it. He does use it.

And I saw it versus Vancouver as well when he scored that goal, one of the comeback goals. I think it was the second goal. He's having an impossible time getting open. But it's interesting. Yes. And it's interesting because I wonder if they're compensating for something because they are putting him closer to the net on the power play a lot of the time too they are

he's like playing in like tavar's territory scoring differently can you do your sid six arrow bumper bumper they've moved to adam's point they've moved the bumper spot closer to the net what spot the bumper that's a good episode everybody go watch the bumper they've moved it closer to the net which i thought was interesting it's a little different layout but i don't think that really has to do with his abilities you know i think it's just a different strategy on the power play i like sandin on the point of the power play yeah i'm over riley this is fun yeah this is different this is different yeah yeah i'm not no no no criticism to riley um although um keith took willie off power play one it was pp2 it was interesting

watching uh or listening to the broadcast go is he hurt nope there he is on the bench yeah okay I think croak it is I think that Willie had a really shitty overtime on Monday and wasn't particularly sharp last night and William Nylander is fabulously talented and is one of my favorite Leafs but I think we've all watched him long enough to know he has two and three game streaks where he's I don't know where his head's at it's and they they openly talk about that you have to be hard on Willie uh you do um I love him one of the most underrated players in the league frankly i think so um he's one of the best offensive weapons in the league one of the most underratedly strong guys in the league there was a play last night i can't or was it last night of the game

before where i watched it and i audibly like out loud just went willy and it wasn't a dumb play it was a lazy you've talked to me like that yeah man like adam and you just you gotta smack him around every now and then yeah um smack him around in terms of minutes and that's what keith does and to willie's credit you smack him around he you get his attention and then he goes out the next game and gets two goals i had that same response to a kerfoot play and i think it was on the transition that led to the kicked in goal that i got taken back so it never became anything but he did like a flyby while the devils were leaving the leaf zone he takes the strangest fucking paths yeah i don't know if anybody else noticed it but who i forget who's bringing the

puck out of the leaf zone for the devils to bring it up into into the neutral zone and he just did a weird flyby and did a circle back to come back to the play and then you'll see when they score the goal kerfoot's the last one coming back to the net it's he's he's just he's he moves so strangely around the ice him and engvall move too fast for their own heads um like they're moving so fast and by the time they realize they need to make a sharp turn it's they've gone way too far and then they're turning like a boat

but Kerfoot assist on the game winner from Pontus Holmberg let's go let's go Pontus I love a first NHL goal it was great that was a good goal and

Mac Hollowell here's my review barely notice him good job that's great that's all you need especially against a team like New Jersey Usually bad players get exposed against good teams, right? Yeah. And he wasn't bad. He had a very first NHL game where every time he got the puck, he got rid of it and scampered back.

Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Yep. It looked like he was playing hot potato. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Oh, shit.

Clean passes, though. Clean? Clean passes. He had one. I think he had one pin. Like Matt. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck.

Oh, shit. Martin Marincin, every time the puck touched his stick was, oh, shit. Oh, fuck. And you never knew where it was going to go. Mm-hmm. That goal he scored against the Vancouver Canucks is still one of the funniest things ever.

Because it was a tied game, and I just know someone in the locker room said, hey, you know what would be funny? You know what would be a funny way to start the third? Is if Marty just said it's Marty time. And then he did, and he scored. And it was amazing. It was amazing.

Before we get to David, I would just like to get some acknowledgement that I'm two for two on Leafs guaranteed win. Oh, you're right. absolutely you are the philly the philly game after they come off that anaheim game of course they're going out they're beating philly you know and then this game uh after that terrible three on three short 800 defensemen steve's gonna play seventh d he's their extra you know and then i am right-handed leafs are gonna go out and win it dude and now they're without jordy ben no we don't

know how for a long time no we don't uh we let me check yeah but yeah we don't know so uh you know Well, we'll get to Dave now, but we've got more Leafs stuff actually to come up next. Sports Interaction Canada's Sportsbook presents You Can Bet That with David Bastl. Must be 19 plus. Please play responsibly, Ontario only. Team Canada's odds against Croatia changed just a little bit with their performance against Belgium yesterday, but we're not going to get to that just yet. First, though, Dave, we need to talk about something else.

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throw that loony down and then go let's do it oh nice no i i love my long shot bets i've been doing on the jesse blake sports report we've been i've been doing parlays off the top by the way great show thank you thank you i'll do three or four leg parlays and i'll always try and hit either like 50 to one or 200 to one odds just so i can get some ridiculous payout you know so this is crazy have you done it and it's and i was one leg away last time you know yeah so yeah it's it and it's also it's exclusive to sports interaction you can't get this bet anywhere else it's just like the pinata bets nobody else on the face of the earth does this for sports gaming it's it's pretty cool um it's it's you know they they address it as every minute counts and it really

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And he was the first guy to ever score for TFC and they remember him every single game and TFC fans know. So we've got, obviously yesterday was a bit of a heartbreaker

for Team Canada because they came in, they surprised the second ranked in the world Belgians. The game was amazing. It really was. It was a spectacular

soccer game. If Canada had a little more finish, I think they would have tied it. What does it do to the odds Versus Croatia on Monday Well

Sunday No problem On Monday we'll know that Canada won I'll tell you that You know what Croatia is still slight favorites because they are One of those power rank teams They've usually been in the top 20

In FIFA rankings for some time A couple years ago they made it right to the end, basically. So, it's an older team, too. I look at the result they had against Morocco with the 0-0 draw, and I'm thinking, hmm, if Canada plays that same

sort of effort that they did with Belgium, with Croatia, it could be close. Croatia's slight favorites, 2-0-9. Canada paying a respectable 3-40. At the beginning of the week, that was closer to 4. So, money accepting on Canada to make this a lot more interesting than a lot

that people may have thought to begin with it was an exciting one so we'll check in with you again on monday dave thanks so much as always thanks guys have a nice weekend uh there's a couple things i know we've got to talk about connor timmons but there's one a couple quick leaf things i do want to hit too jesse i'm going to send you a no uh a text here that i want you to bring up because i want to i want to go into some fashion in a minute but um the first thing i want to say is steve you mentioned it marner and tavaris number 16 and number 17 in total nhl scoring ah they got knocked down yeah but you know what that's not bad i i just want to throw this out there for leaf fans you know john tavaris has took a lot of shit especially last year when

he was coming off an absolutely brutal head injury and still scored at a point of game pace uh but it's almost like everybody forgets that john tavaris's first year in toronto he played with Mitch Marner the entire time and had almost 50 goals I think people completely forget that and I am surprised the Leafs never went back to it after that it was like Matthews and Marner said no we want to play together and at the end of the day Nylander and Matthews always worked and Marner and Tavares always worked and it's no surprise it's working now Tavares is on pace for 48 goals this year neil or uh mitchell marner is on pace for about 79 assists that's unreal and you know what for all the shit mitch marner takes a lot of it justified but he's

on a 14 game point streak and john tavaris came here to play with mitch marner that was a part of the the cell video it was a part of the cell video i don't know if we've ever talked about this But I have heard legends, and I believe them to be true, that part of Dubas' sales package to John Tavares when he was trying to woo him in free agency involved Mitch Marner in video form selling him on the team. And then they played together to no one's surprise. And they were unbelievable. And they were unreal. They brought each other to a different level. and i always thought it was weird that in a bind they never went back to it really ever ever and

it's also weird oh i mean listen if you want to know why mitch marner made so much money it's the john tavaris here yep that's why he's that's he signed the extension right after that yep but i think it's because of steve's point that he made last episode was that the other way works too other way works too you said uh we have four elite forwards that you just flip floppy them because they all work yep you know 60 we got 60 goals out of matthews and marner and you know that line had its ups and its downs last night it was on the ice for one actual goal and one taken away goal um but robertson was the first leaf i noticed he had uh i want to say the first shot of the game first scoring chance of the game uh marner with robertson makes a boatload of sense um then he's

like one of the hardest working players nick's gonna be scratched on friday so is he actually i don't know but i assume no or saturday you should play at least one of those games pick one you should play at least one gonna be scratched so you want your thing it's not gonna happen it's okay if you scratch for one okay the leafs also made a trade yesterday immediately after we finished recording the podcast in which we said i don't think the leaves are gonna make a trade here the defense isn't that bad it's thin but it's not that bad and it's the trade everyone guest everybody had their eyes on connor timmons who was a former sue greyhound was rasmus sandin's defense partner and has had his career hampered by injury he was actually a second round pick of

the avalanche he's played 41 games 12 games in the playoffs too which is valuable but concussion in his first year which held him out for a whole year i think he's had some surgeries and he's played his conditioning stint in tucson he's 24 years old what do they actually have yeah so what is this a concussion held him out of his final year in junior um he had a knee injury that held him out a long time and his conditioning stint was a upper body injury i don't read a shoulder um i mean what you have here is a reclamation project uh for sure um the coyotes were going to wave him uh there's a couple things there the coyotes were pretty sure he was going to get claimed and if he would have got claimed it wouldn't have been the leafs who got him because

they're way too far down the waiver wire priority list right so if a team lower in the standings then the leafs puts a claim on him that's who gets him so if the buffalo sabers make a claim and the leafs make a claim the sabers got him how did the leafs get away with only getting only giving up curtis douglas for him i don't know because the the speculation was it was going to be a draft pick if it's third or a fourth rounder yeah i don't i don't uh well okay so the leafs literally cannot make that happen yeah because they're at 50 contract slots so they can't give up a draft pick yeah interesting okay they can't do it from from an asset standpoint uh like let's say curtis douglas turns into something right and do this oh you big dummy

looks like an idiot this was a free agent signing who the dallas stars let go so if the leafs let him go it wouldn't be the first team right um stars picked him i want to say in the fourth round and why not why not he's six foot nine 242 he's a monster of a man he's also got zero goals one assist in 30 penalty minutes in 13 ahl games so people people are pissed i there i saw some twitter scuttle about uh comparison because he's so big right he's like six seven was it six nine six nine sorry he's he's probably the biggest professional hockey player in the world so there were people were like whoa this was probably another mason marchman deal by the way mason marchman could be i mean it could be but mason marchman scored 27 goals his entire career

everybody's chill out oh mason marchman that other guy who was undrafted and a free agent who the leafs took into their minor league system and developed and traded for an asset Admittedly, maybe they, on balance, haven't won that trade. No, they haven't. But like, okay, you don't like losing Mason Marchman. Well, they signed him as an AHL free agent. Well, okay, you don't like losing Trevor Moore. There's another guy Dubas found as an AHL free agent.

You don't like losing Curtis Douglas, potentially. There's another guy Dubas found as an AHL free agent. And what did he turn all those into? Assets for the Toronto Maple Leafs. and if he had his way if the legends are to be believed another guy dubas badly badly wanted and couldn't pull off was yanny gourd oh that would have been great who was another guy who i believe was undrafted he worked his way through the tampa system what what kind of player is is connor timmons i know he's a right-handed shot which is really valuable to the leafs

um he would be depth and the thing is is that you know if everybody comes back healthy and they won't because i don't think muzzin's going to be back even though he's a left shot you're going to have room for timmons on the roster um right shot defenseman he's going to be your five six guy what is he what is he a big hitting guy is he a move the puck guy what does he do he i think he's a move the puck guy um because even though his nhl numbers are real skint uh he doesn't put up numbers uh in the ahl he does and in the ohl he did um he's on team canada i mean joe sackick wanted him bad enough to spend a second rounder on him that should be a pretty good indicator that he was good um the problem with him is uh we have no idea what he is

because he's missed so much time and we need to see what his body can do um he's six foot two He's over 200 pounds. That's good. He's a living, breathing human being who plays hockey on defense as his profession, who shoots right-handed. That makes him very appealing for the Leafs. So in the short term, he's a guy who could play on your NHL roster and be adequate. His fancies with Colorado in his full season were fine. Problem is the guy hasn't played, man.

The guy hasn't played. um so here's here's why they needed to make a trade for somebody right so they called up uh victor mette and they called up mac hollowell mac hollowell played his first nhl game i love the story let's be honest he probably i don't think he should be playing nhl games all right i don't he probably shouldn't be playing he could be out there you know he yeah he could be out there he can be guy yeah he can be warm body he can be guy um what i am trying to look for right now is the uh here it is here's the

marley's defense from their last game rafai mete kokanen hollowell petroniro rindell so if you don't know who those players are let me run you through it ahl contract victor mete who's up with the Leafs guy who's uh playing his first professional hockey in North America guy who's up with the Leafs guy who's on an AHL contract guy who's playing his first professional hockey in North America Kokanen and Rindell have both played in the ECHL this year Refai is not eligible to be signed because they're at their maximum or called up and neither is Petro

euro uh they're getting very close to literally not having anyone they can call because they have so many injuries um and like you don't want to be throwing coconut and rindel to the wolves um so they needed a guy my only issue with this move when you brought it up adam i shook my head because of how damn predictable it was kyle dubas goes after another guy who he's worked with in the sioux who was under him in the sioux greyhounds and he brought him to toronto i was just how many are you okay now rewind the argument to that the argument to that is he these are the guys he knows best so why wouldn't he ride with the guys he knows best there are other guys in the league there are but his success rate is like pretty good usually high

pretty good it is with these guys it is okay listen nick ritchie didn't work that was bad yeah jack campbell worked that was good yes michael bunting worked jack campbell worked until it didn't man i honestly jesse i got the i said the same thing last year too because i have questions about it and i'm with you i i agree with you i i i think and i got a lot of shit actually for it on on twitter after i said it what dubas oh i thought you were talking about campbell no no i was talking about campbell no i'm talking about dubas and the greyhounds thing oh i think i think when you're only going after the one thing the all the results you're going to get are from that one thing if you never look outside of the box we can never know if that would

be a more successful path i think people are being very odd about the greyhounds thing and being very protective of dubious for no good reason um you mean odd in defending it yes odd in defending it yeah um because this isn't i'm not saying getting connor timmons is bad because he's a greyhound that would be small-minded and dumb um and there are a lot of people out there who would say that and that's small-minded and dumb yeah there's a lot of people who would say purple is blue yeah yeah and like dude uh don't look up there's too many people there's too many people oh i bet people say you're probably right yeah there's too many people you know what the show should have been people say the darndest things people right yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so but finish

your point continuing on with that yeah um like yeah it's i don't i think a and okay not nobody but an extraordinarily small amount of people are saying this move stinks because he's a greyhound that's wrong that's not that's okay but continue your point which was you think people are being extremely protective of dubious and maybe perhaps they don't need to be for the greyhound thing all you need to do is focused on what's right and wrong uh focus on is are you right but are is is jesse right to question the constant greyhound connection yeah but then we we go okay let's look at the results i look at every move in a vacuum right and i look at this move and i go okay if timmons had never played for the greyhounds would this bet make sense i think it does the leafs have

had pretty good success with reclamation projects. Um, the one that immediately came to mind for me, even though he's a forward is Tyler Ennis. Like that dude was washed. Like he wasn't going to play in the league. I don't know if he has a team this year, but

his stint with the Leafs was good enough to keep him in the league for another few years. Right. He played with the Oilers last year, I think He was with the Sens for a year or two He was good enough with the league He scored a hat-trick against Calgary That was cool

Andre Kasha last year Unfortunately that appears to be Ending rather unfortunately But he played well He did Post-Toronto, Ennis played for Ottawa Edmonton, Ottawa They've taken some really

Injury prone guys Hey, here's an injury prone guy who's playing Really well for the Toronto Maple Leafs Matt Murray So far The asterisk is he missed a month But he's looking great I wonder because

One thing Is always said about Dubas, Steve you say it a lot And the Toronto Maple Leafs as a whole Is they're so process oriented Everything is about the process We stick to this and we go through it And I question, okay this process has Produced results at let's say

Five to one You know, and I wonder if you swerve from the process a little and you go away from just the guys, you know, could you get a seven to one occasionally? Maybe you'll get a three to one instead. I'm talking about the results that they get. You know, could you get a higher end result if you went after Vili Huso instead of Matt Murray? Would your results have been better? You know, instead of going after the guy, guy, you know, Vili Huso. I don't know.

He's just a good goaltender. They weren't interested in Vili Huso. They wanted Marc-Andre Fleury. He's just a good goaltender who's been playing well. But Murray looks great. He does. But he's also been out for a month. Then stupid Vili Huso.

Vili Huso's been amazing. I think he has three shutouts in like a week. I think he's more like Vili Puso. You know what I'm talking about? Nah. Vili Huso's been great. Three shutouts? No.

It's under-reviewed? No, nothing like that. It's under-reviewed? Nothing like that. I think it's fair when they keep doing the same thing over and over. I'm just like, what if one time you mixed it up a little and you got a better result? They do mix it up. We just don't ever talk about it because it's just another trade.

i don't think they do as often as we'd like here's the good news he's running out of greyhounds to get he's got them all yeah he has collected every all 150 man if i was darnell nurse and pack my shit yeah exactly exactly you're coming to toronto at some point or or dubas leaves at the end of the year because the leafs are playing chicken with him and goes and signs somewhere else and then he goes and picks him up there i do have to say uh if dubas doesn't come back as leafs gm the turnover is going to be legendary because it's just it's just his guys yeah but it's just an ocean of his guys between this year's team and next year's team it's gonna be completely different get out of here oh yeah i had this guy in junior this guy in junior this guy in junior this guy

this guy just gave this guy a four-year contract he was my client when i was an agent this guy and junior this guy is that yarncroak yep yep oh right yeah yeah so yeah i mean listen jesse you're not wrong there's something to it yarncroak was tubas's agent like sorry vice versa that has gone a while but he's like but he also knows i'm not i'm not making something up i'm just it's just we've been the leafs have been very successful like i think we can all agree that they've been a very successful regular season team and i just wonder if there have been more success or a different path to success or more wins on the board if you just tried something a little different or more playoff different guys i would trade i would trade five regular season wins 10 regular

season wins every year for a playoff victory yeah the leafs used to finish like seventh eighth going into the playoffs with matt said eight and then they go win a round right hey right now just blindfold on you're not allowed to see who it is here's a guy he's a former second round pick he's big he shoots right plays d you want him connor timmon it costs you curtis douglas yeah for sure i take it every day who lost his spot on the depth chart to like pontus holmberg and sda yeah i think i take but the the thing is dubas isn't doing that blind he has a little magnet attached to him that that goes to all the grayhounds out there and he's a little he's just attracted to that way and he's stepping in my web yeah i think i need to look i i'm gonna

I'm going to look at the other great. The thing conversation we are going to have to start having too. And today's not the day to do it is the Leafs have continued to be, you know, listen, frustrating, but successful. They're in the top five in the league again.

So dumb. Okay. Oh yeah. And we're going to get into this next, but I need another, I need to cover another topic first. We're going to talk about some teams that it's American Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving.

And the Elliot, I think Elliot Friedman started this, but it's something that we look at every year is who's in the playoffs and who's not because 88 or 87 and a half percent of the teams that are in the playoffs currently will still be there based on history by the end of the season that's a lot that's most and the Leafs are in it again and I wonder if they're not making if management's not really making the best move here playing chicken with a guy who you know as soon as he's on the market if i'm an owner of a smaller market club and i know of a gm who just guaranteed a team playoff spots in what seven of the last

eight years as the assistant and the and the actual gm he was a part of that team fucking right i'm signing him fucking right if i can get playoff revenue from people in seats i don't care if it's like really how many teams would be like I'd be dying for the Leafs roster right now you work for the pension plan I know I don't but I'm just saying I'm just saying the Toronto Maple Leafs are going to have to not play chicken for much longer because my question will be as much as Dubas does drive me crazy and I respect the shit out of him I respect what he's done I love what he's done makes me kind of fucking crazy sometimes who's better that's what you need to start asking yourself if not him then who this is fascinating for february and march it's well

it's the strangest position i think the leafs are in a who's in a weird weirder position than the leafs other than the team playing in a university if i might like if i might i want to compare this to barry trotz in in washington who we knew from game one was this is his last year barry's gone and all the caps fans are like you know what and i remember saying at the time like i don't know his record's pretty good guys and and and caps fans and and rightfully so we're like listen they haven't had playoff success wow sound familiar leaf fans yeah and what what happens that year now i hope this happens to the leafs they go and they win and then the caps go well shit we got off from a contract now and they do and they overcame their black and yellow rivals in the

playoffs that's right they did hey they did don't think i hadn't made the connection but then barry trotz goes on to leave to leave and have the cap immediately find success listen the caps and immediately find success now the caps have been good but have they ever been that team they haven't won a playoff series since you left i think it is absolutely absurd to not just pay man who won the stanley cup it was the oh no they they wanted to they offered him the same amount of money the islanders they wouldn't they wouldn't go up to they wouldn't go to the number oh that's okay no no no no they were cheap about it i uh fascinating situation because i think the responsible thing to do listen you're mlse you got all the money you got all the money if you

want to fire him fire him lock him up for at least a year here's the thing if i'm doing this take your year offer and shove it it's no i'm kyle dubas i'm not even 40 yeah you got to give me a long extension here fascinating like it's the toronto goddamn maple leafs man they're unbelievable they're mediocre they're it's crazy infuriating they're one of the most fabulous electrifying elite talent elite yips uh how do you read this book honestly it shouldn't be the passion returns it's toronto maple leafs elite talent elite yips it feels like every page is a different language and i don't know what to do with this fucking mlse is sitting there being like we're gonna play the wait and see game i think it's shanny

who's playing the wait and see game shanny's the one listen you could say what you want about brendan shanahan i think he's done an unbelievable job turning this franchise around yes from where it was when we started this show holy shit yeah i don't want to come across as anti shan no i'm just whenever we look at the full scope of the leafs i'm like well why are you ignoring the president if you're asking if you're asking whose decision this is it's not the board's decision shanney and the board get along great they say to shanney you know what whatever you want and the proof of that is the gigantic analytics staff the amazing in-game staff you're not even thinking about the players here he can spend whatever he wants on everything else in the world scouts analytics

promotions whatever the leafs are fucking everywhere equipment of course they have the best they can buy they buy arenas they they're trying to let their players practice all summer they provide medical care all summer teams do not do this i i've talked about this before but tobias Lindbergh, who was a prospect with the Leafs, but he came from the Sens organization. One of the things I talked to him about was the difference between the two organizations. And he's like, yeah,

the Marlies goalie coach travels with the team. And that was eight years ago. It was quite some time ago. And I just never, ever thought of it. Some teams are like, no, it's too expensive to bring our goalie coach. What if you're on a six

game road trip and your goalie sticks? and the ahl you do go on a six game road trip you go on a long road trip the marley's do they do a three week road trip every february friggin no it's november is it the boat show yeah it's in january february it was the horse show that too that too yeah the horse i don't know what the royal canadian tattoo or something winter fair yeah there's the boat show which is awesome because they they flood uh the coca-cola coliseum they have actual boats in there yeah but then there's also the one with the horses that's not called the horse show yeah it's called the toronto horse show so but but my point in this guy's landscape my point in this guys is that the

leafs the guy making this call is brendan shanahan i it's curious to me that he's just been playing hey we'll see how this season plays out yeah get a contract oh yeah absolutely absolutely so um okay so i guess we're we're getting in this news now yeah i handed it to you because i didn't know what to do yeah i think uh okay so uh unfortunately uh boria salming has passed away so while the full statement loads on my uh my computer i'll read the the statement posted to uh um to twitter oh here we go uh this is on the leaf site on behalf of the salming family it's with great sadness that the Toronto Maple Leafs announced the passing of franchise icon Borea Salming. He was 71. Statement from Brandon Shanahan, the Toronto Maple Leafs mourn the loss of Borea Salming. Borea

was a pioneer of the game and an icon with an unbreakable spirit and unquestioned toughness. He helped open the door to Europeans in the NHL and defined himself through his play on the ice and through his contributions to the community. Borea joined the Maple Leafs 50 years ago and will forever be a part of the hockey family. We extend our deepest condolences to his wife, Pia, his children, Teresa, Anders, Rasmus, Bianca, Lisa, and Sarah, and his brother, Stieg. Salmi's career began with the Leafs when he signed as a free agent prior to the 73-74 season. Over the course of 16 seasons, he played 1,100 games or 10,099 games with the blue and white, going on to establish a team record for most assists, which is still unbroken, while registering the

most goals, 148, and the most points, 768, and playoff points by a defenseman in franchise history at 49 playoff points his number 21 hangs in the rafters at scotia bank arena we'll leave it uh there's the rest of the statement but we can kind of leave that um listen we've talked about boria many times uh before on this show he's my favorite pre-birth leaf as i always like to say like he's my favorite leaf that uh that played for the leafs before i was ever born and i think finished playing for the leafs before i was born tough mean but also heart of gold everybody loved Boria and he was he was the number one stud defenseman that you could argue they've never had since like he was tough he could score he could play you know power play but he was a

mean SOB and he came into the NHL in a time when Europeans weren't welcome and they made it really hard on him the North American players made it really hard on him yeah his battles with the flyers the the at the height of them being the broad street bullies he never backed down never did and uh so absolute warrior uh so we just could shout out to um boria and his family today uh it's a real shame you know you mentioned a minute ago uh you know the things brandon shanahan has has done for this organization and jesse's got the photo up right now um one of the greatest wrongs that he righted was retiring numbers,

I think, and making, making sure, um, the players of yesteryear got their due, um, mending the fence with Dave Keon, I thought was extremely important.

Mm-hmm. Uh, Johnny Bauer getting his moment, uh, and Boreas Salming too. And I, I, oh my God,

it's unbelievable like that guy was um in front of crowds at scotia bank arena last week i was there two weeks you were there i was there at the canucks game yep i was there god it happened so fast like when did the news break that he was even that he had als about six months ago and you know what's funny was i remember seeing him at the eaton center in like 2017 right before the heritage classic game i was i was doing some last minute christmas shopping and he was in town crossfit instructor yeah and he remember we used we used to profile him on the show we talked about him on the show here because he had his own underwear brand in sweden of which he was a model for that was like five years ago yeah it was really recent like he

was in um unbelievable shape um and a really great guy it's really special that he got the opportunity to have that moment on hall of fame weekend in front of all the fans right before this happened totally like uh thank god for the timing of that yeah and that that we were able to have that last moment as fans with for you i mean at the end of the day like it's you know it's i'm sure he had a great relationship with his family great relationship with his friends but i i thought it was so important um that he got that moment to really understand that he was loved yes by by uh this uh this fan base unbelievable how close to the end it was yeah wow absolutely and with that we have to move forward to our next topic and i apologize for this but

this is the way it goes sometimes with with tough news uh the exact percentage i believe is 87 and a half but for teams currently in the playoffs at american thanksgiving um have a look because only two or three of them will change over the rest of the season right and if i look at uh if i look at right now let's look at the eastern conference three surprising teams that are not currently in a playoff spot pittsburgh florida washington and washington is the one that is most surprising because frankly they're far down they're not i mean you look at them and they're like well they're only three points spread or four points spread between them in the playoffs but i mean really it's it feels a little bit more than that this is a team that's sub 500 and has kind of

surprise a lot of people with just not being there this year and if you want to sneak into a playoff spot in the eastern conference the bottom wild card team that you have to leapfrog is tampa so good luck with that and check out montreal hanging around i told you they'd be better they're not great but they're better one team that we all pegged as a playoff team that's currently sitting outside is florida last year's president's trophy winners i think we all thought they would be a decent team again and uh they are sitting on the outside looking out i can't remember where i had them i want to say i might have had them as a wild card team uh they've been pretty unimpressive i gotta say pittsburgh uh i want to say it was the chris johnston show they

were talking about like listen uh there aren't enough playoff spots for every team in the metro to make it so if you you scroll up there you got new jersey in first they weren't in last year you got the islanders in second they weren't in last year you got carolina they're basically a mainstay you got stanley cup favorites the new york rangers yep and that's him in league so columbus doesn't have a hope but oh my god they're they're four points back of washington with two games in hand i didn't realize how bad washington had been the three six and one in their last 10 i mean philly is just completely tanking after a pretty decent start look at washington's road record two six and two that's where the problems are coming the i think part of the penguins

problem so they're six five and two on the road four two and one at home what i see there isn't that the record's bad it's that the record's so small um they haven't played at home very much i think the penguins will be fine yeah they won they did win last night against calgary there's four in a row struggling team i think the team i think the team we should be worried about and you pointed out already is washington like they they don't look as talented as we thought they'd be they're not gonna make it like just the the way it looks um you you need signs that you can make it columbus ain't philly ain't pittsburgh's got a fighting chance the rangers are obviously in it with a fighting chance and there's got to be a cutoff at some point and washington is

already falling uh into a really nasty part of that conversation okay how about this of the playoff teams right now who falls out and who stay like what do you what do you think's gonna happen well detroit's the easy pick but they're hot as a pistol six two and two i mean yeah i would say detroit's the easy pick and then you supplant them with who it would oh see it'd be tampa tampa's in a playoff spot right no no but tampa has to surpass the red wings because the red wings are in an atlantic spot yes unless tampa does that pittsburgh can't leapfrog detroit because detroit is in an atlantic spot right but pittsburgh could leapfrog the rangers or tampa they could leapfrog the rangers but they the rangers have been so ordinary and i

just don't think that's what they are i think they're way better than that um and i also don't think they're going to tolerate mediocrity um i think in relatively short order well actually we saw it yesterday they made a trade uh they had ryan reeves who they were able to get a draft pick back for ryan reeves in that contract a fifth round pick no salary retained and they're not going to sit on that pick they're they're going to flip it for i also thought it was crazy that the wild were taking on a salary bill garren really likes him remember when the penguins got him bill garen bill garen was i believe the agm okay at the time uh and listen there's lots of things to like about ryan reeves but he's for what the production he brings i don't think that that

contract's worth it and but he is a he's a dressing room guy he's a and the wild have struggled a little bit this year so maybe that's the reason he's a good shaker upper um the one thing i would advise about detroit is i feel like they had a pretty good start last year as well before both their goalies turned into the worst goalies. It's not going to happen this year. They have a great starting goaltender. I don't know. I don't remember his name. I can't remember. Somebody will bring it up. Somebody will tell us.

Definitely not that guy. Ryan Reeves was scratched. I was trying to look at how many games. It was seven of the Rangers' last eight games. And he was sitting there being like, okay, I still think I need a new contract eventually at the end of this. So I need to be playing

games to get in this position. And he talked about it after they asked him about the trade because he i forget what reporter he spoke to on in the airport on the way but i don't know was the russo i'm not sure i forget anyway so he's like i need to get out of here in new york because i don't have a place in this lineup and i need a contract eventually and they're not playing him so they found a fit which i'm shocked about that it would be minnesota but it makes sense for him career-wise that it's time to move on from the right and he did ask for the trade he requested today it makes sense for minnesota uh stylistically because they had um it's funny like who in the

league is willing to fight ryan reeds it's a very short list sure is nobody one of those guys is marcus felino who we know because they fought and now they're teammates um these guys want to be big and nasty and awful to play against um and that's what most teams in a salary cap bind try to do is they try to beat you up and let kirill kaprizov have all the room in the world there you go um let's go to the western conference oh and sorry one last thing what did i text you immediately after the trade what can't wait for ryan reeves first game as a minnesota wild against the leafs oh yeah tomorrow at two why is it always like that oh the biggest news story in the nhl happening that weekend that team is playing the leafs on saturday night or friday like fuck um always

fucking leave so looking going into thanksgiving uh weekend in the in the states uh in the western conference some of the surprise teams that are out maybe not so much a surprise but a team that's perennially in it is minnesota another team perennially in it is nashville uh but the most surprising after last night's really flimsy performance are the edmonton oilers not in a playoff spot currently that is a team they are a okay they have two of the top three scorers in the league and jason robertson who we need to talk about more has split them in half so you got mcdavid robertson dry sidle at the top three of the league did he pass dry he did yeah wow and and and yet and yet listen to this the edmonton oilers are a minus six in gold differential

oh man the campbell contract's looking like a disaster why is the west so bad why is the west so well the west could say that about the east for the entire like decade previous to this that's true but like i'm including vancouver in this team six through ten are their line shambolic they are bad the canucks are three points out of a playoff spot oh god three so if you're gonna see way better kidding they've still kind of been asked if you're gonna see movement you're gonna see it in the western conference in those wild card spots calgary who's not at a great start they're just kind of trying to find themselves seem to be getting it a little bit that vladar the the penguins calgary game last night bladar stood on his head and just malcolm had that

unbelievable penalty shot like picture perfect penalty shot to win uh sorry shootout shot um calgary's looking better but let's talk about minnesota i'm not totally surprised they're in a cap find i thought they were better than this edmonton is shocking i think they'll get it together i think missing a vander kane it was a real shock to the system even though they were they weren't trending in the best direction before that but then that happening it doesn't help the situation at all like evander came became such an important piece to that team and then now he's gone and they still can't really play defense and jack campbell hasn't been the greatest and uh connor mcdavid can get a little more beat up because kane's not there it's just not

happy in edmonton right now but they're one of those teams where you you you're really top heavy and it works for you when everyone's there but if they're not you're screwed and like they're not alone it's not like the leafs will be in a great spot if tavaris or matthews get hurt uh we've seen that but uh they just have a really hard time coping with it i just think it's funny how i'm right so often what do you mean you know who's going to be tied for a playoff spot if they win their next two games? Who's that? The Arizona Coyotes.

The Arizona bloody Coyotes. Jesse, is that not a lot of ifs? No, he's lying about the math. That's not a lot. How many teams are in between Arizona and a playoff spot? One, two, three, four, five teams.

Steve, everybody would have to not play. Everybody would have to not play. no the sharks have played four more games than them the canucks have played two and their predators have played two right and i would be with you played two and the wild have played one i would be with you have played one okay but let's look at winning percentage and all to be in the playoffs in the western conference you need to have a minimum 526 winning percentage arizona's got a 444 the league is going to shut down and arizona is only going to play their games

And then if they just win two, they get to make the playoffs That's how it works Everybody wait, Arizona's catching up Hold on The five teams in between them aren't going to win at all Ever Karel Veznamelka Is going to

Potentially lead them to I believe what I said was They're going to be in a playoff spot by Christmas They're not They're real close And it's not Christmas they're stupidly close I think

they're stupidly close because the bottom of the West is bad yeah the bottom of the West is who though name the the Blackhawks

and the Ducks they're the five worst teams in the league yeah the San Jose Arizona Chicago Anaheim they're terrible

they're almost garbage except for the like the Senators on the Eastern side are making making some of those teams look good

the Senators are that bad by points percentage the Coyotes should be above the Canucks and the Sharks the only good things in there are Eric Carlson

And it's 30 points And Troy Terry and his game winning goal For my fantasy team And Trevor Zegras and his dangles And not James Reimer Because he doesn't count And Arizona's fun Molotov Arena Blackhawks

Started hot, they're out of it Dude like the whole A lot of teams in that West Little clump Are really disappointing Like the Blues are heating up and I don't think they're going to cool down The Wild are just sort of in there The Oilers are just sort of in there

The Oilers are 500 The Preds are really Disappointing I was just really high on them They're really Preds man But based on what man They were the same last year I thought they were good and they got better

You're going to have to get a Preds jersey You hate the Preds I don't hate the Preds I love the Preds You've hated them for two years now No but they're just They are what they are which is a 7-8 team and they're sitting in 10th currently and we're surprised i've played four games i'm three and one i'm an 890 you're jack hamill nope no okay we're

talking about preds right nope oh former pred conor ingram nope it's not conor ingram okay he is a former pred i think he sure is former pred goalie three and one three and one so i've only played four games what former pred goalie they've only had one goalie in the last 80 years yeah it was like pecorino and then you see pred backup and he was a pure backup got it big save dave big save and david oh dave riddick it just feels like a bomb ready to go off like the jets have been so good well they were trashed last he's obviously won he's got a winning record but the preds have been so good or damn it the jets have been so good jesse's literally watching football i think your takes are interesting enough to listen to fully

bills are on so good and hellebuck has been so good yeah but they're just a little tweak away from big save dave who has not been good yeah being your starting goalie now he's won three out of four yeah which is good but so okay i think eric sheldron's won three out of four too like i don't think it's that great i also want to say that big save dave is called that because you're always shocked when he does like that's not why he's called that i think i don't like the take of hey we're one injury away to caught a hell of a book of them failing we're one injury away of any team's best player for them being in

the tank, you know, like we're one injury away of Connor McDavid for the Edmonton Oilers to be even further down the standings, you know, you're one bad takeaway from me turning your

football off. But I think you're right. I think I do think if there's a team that I'm looking at that that could fall, it's it's Winnipeg. No, I'm not. I'm not sold on Seattle.

Winnipeg's a playoff team, man. Well, as long as Connor Hellbuck's Connor Hellbuck. yeah i think any team is but i'm not sold on the seattle cracking guys i'm just not i know they've had a great start i know i like i got egg on my face about that take i don't believe it so don't believe it i keep looking at you know i'm big fantasy guy i'm always looking at the waiver wire for players who are available and one of the top players in all of fantasy who is still

often available on the waiver wire martin freaking jones i am crazy and they are riding him to the frigging moon it's crazy isn't it 11 5 and 3 wow the way i know it's what it's nuts i can't predict the way la is third in the division with a minus six goal differential that's how bad the west okay the kraken are making the playoffs but i'm still not sold that they're a good team the west just sucks you you're saying the kraken are making i think they're gonna make the playoffs with this look well who's gonna replace them edmonton's gonna make their way up okay la's la is has started weak uh but i think they're better i don't know like if edmonton comes back in i think i could see steve's right i can see winnipeg falling i can also see saint

louis falling back off i know they've had a better uh last 10 they're like seven and three but i i can see it i can also see calgary just not figuring this shit out they're four three and three in their last 10 a team that is not gonna fall this team is what i thought the preds would be a team that was underrated and had some bad luck who got better in the off season and would perform better as a result the dallas stars there they are what i thought the prez would be they are what i thought the kings would be um they've got a wagon a great young goalie and a great young scorer jason robertson's unbelievable one of us here were really high on the dallas that would be jesse i think that was one of us i want to speak to the manager um of jason robertson

yeah so i guess that'd be whoever the gm of the stars is um he's cheating what do you mean he's just that good he missed parts of camp and he doesn't suck ass and i just want him to know that's not allowed how come they got him on such a crazy discount uh what the fuck is that he's underpaid already i don't know man he's underpaid already unreal already i didn't know like this dude is up in a conversation with like caprizov yeah he's and look what he's making right like no instantly he's entered that next step of elite performers i don't think dallas regrets the contract extension he got uh no no no no we're saying from his perspective i know he regrets it oh yeah no yeah i think he'll be okay he'll be okay

he's making millions um no and uh ben and sega and they're back like it's been crazy start for dallas they've been they've looked really good and their whole team is clicking one of the most underrated players in the entire league miro hayes yes and we forget how much like because they they in that first round of the playoffs they almost won like let's give them some credit here and they've just continued that defense and now added a top elite score yeah that they had last year who's just gotten so much better they're they're a really good team and dallas is definitely for real ropey hints and they're full of underrated guys joe pavelski who he just keeps yeah all age eventually great team all right let's get into the press conference