The Steve Dangle Podcast - Dadon & Off | March 22, 2022

Episode Date: March 22, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve doesn't care! (00:00), the Golden Knights trade a player they're not allowed to trade (09:00), what are the Ottawa Senators doing? (32:00), how do we rate the Toronto Maple Leafs trade deadline moves? (53:00), is the rest of the NHL bullying Kyle Dubas and Leafs management? (1:19:00). running down the rest of the league (1:31:00), and #sdpnFanFridays! (1:53:00). Originally aired: March 22, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/1x_08rxp91o Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE https://www.workable.com/ https://hellofresh.com/sdp16 https://magicspoon.com/SDP Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

you know steve if you keep dancing on the video version of this show on every intro you're gonna get stuck like ellen degeneres did and then it'll become an expectation be a bad person and then you'll hate it no not be a bad person no no ellen ellen has said for years that she hates dancing at the beginning of her show but she has to because she did it in the first season and then people expect that and now she's now she's had to do it it makes me uncomfortable every time she does yeah i think it makes her extremely uncomfortable when someone's dancing and they're comfortable you know when someone's dancing and they're uncomfortable you super know it's so long it's so intro oh yeah what is i ask again what is the point of being rich

what do you mean ellen degeneres is so rich she's so rich so don't do the thing you don't want to do anymore that's all i don't think those two things are related yeah i kind of think they are i think it's all about your perspective and i think you would have a different perspective than most people don't you agree jesse yep i don't think those two things are related at all so so just be one of the richest people just to be miserable and do uncomfortable there are really two schools of thought with money there are those people who go if i reach this point i'm done i'm letting go then there's other people who are like if i reach that point then i want to do it again and then i want to multiply it by two and then i want to multiply it by 10 and which one

is healthier i oh listen i don't disagree with you i'm just saying that you know listen if somebody were to hand me 20 million bucks tomorrow okay 20 million bucks i would be able to very safely retire and do whatever the fuck i wanted for the rest of my life ellen degeneres makes 20 million bucks a year and you know there were reports that like she was having trouble selling one of her houses and and imagine being stressed about that and like imagine working ever again if you had 20 million dollars in the bank account but yeah here they are here they are because it's not about the 20 million it's about how far can i push this how far how much money can i actually make here so you're like hey she's rich she doesn't have to do anything she wants but she doesn't want to

just do anything she wants to do this yeah she also likes to go yeah i used to like the job so dance ellen make eye contact when you dance it's terrifying i hate it every time and so does she she does she does hate it neither of us have to participate uh she doesn't have to do it and i don't have to watch no it's right and yet here you both are and here we both oh i haven't watched ellen degeneres dance in a very long time okay well that's there you go i wonder if she wins for the trade deadline well i was gonna ask you how you're feeling about the trade deadline no just like in general did you have a busy deadline um honestly uh i i don't is it wrong to say i don't care what do you mean uh like leo's had a fever for a few days and

that's been priority number one oh and and i'm just like oh andrew cop's a ranger cool like i just do you care about the show like i just just you know i don't really care about before we get into it jesse and i would like to know so if we if at any point i start listing off trades and you start yelling i don't care and then running around in circles then i want to know that that's going to happen before it happens not the best way to start a podcast about the trade deadline and you come on here and say you know what i don't really care that andrew kopp is a ranger you know what fuck jeru yeah he can he can go to florida and fuck off in fact that's his jeru happened before yesterday yeah so he cares about that so you care about that oh well yesterday

Flurry, you know get on that jet and that was cool. Go to the wild. I don't care. That was cool No, you don't care. No. No, I that one was fine. No everything. We're about to talk about for the next 90 minutes You don't give a shit. I was okay. There were There were maybe four relevant trades yesterday. Okay, and there were more the day before No, but there were no, but we're gonna talk about the whole net last 72 hours We're going to talk about Brett fucking Kulak. You're like, how do you feel? Derek Broussard.

I don't know. I care more about my child. Well, yeah, you should. Like, that's not what we're asking. No, we definitely should. You should definitely care about Lee. By the way, is Lee going to be okay? Yeah, I think so.

Adam didn't ask, do you care more about hockey or your son? Like, that wasn't the question. I should have, though. I should have. I'm tired. Thank you. I'm tired. Okay, that's fair.

That's a good answer. There you go. So you're pooped. You weren't me. You made videos all day yesterday. i wish i did okay so what happened what was the hold up i made three because all day it was because you don't care well yeah it's because i don't care no it's because it it felt like the only trades that happened and they just happened the whole thing was announced all at once

were the kind of piddly ones yeah you know the smaller ones um i do like a straightforward Justin Braun, third round pick. Bang. I like that. That's a trade deadline trade. Here you go. You get a guy, we get a pick. Bang.

And here's the tweet. Bang. Here's the information, Steven. Go make a video. Bang. The whole rest of it and the day before, March year, Dano has been traded to the Leafs. And then I spend the next two hours going,

Uh-huh. do i get a little credit for that when i came on here on friday and i said when we return on tuesday mark giordano is going to be a leaf no okay because i don't care i also think no you do because i was skeptical i also think well i thought that you were saying a couple weeks ago that you watched the league you were one of the first people i ever heard say that or was it you i don't think that was me i think that was this was it i think that this is the guy who guaranteed on friday that would happen no but somebody over here somebody over here weeks ago said it and i'm impressed there we go it's but uh like oh brett kulak is an oiler uh-huh and for what it took

forever why did yesterday it was weird yesterday from a i don't i can't imagine what it was like on tv because i didn't get to watch it because the whole time i'm just staring at my stupid phone going can someone please release the details of this damn trade so i can make a video like i fully expected to make seven or eight videos yesterday and i made three i made three because like mark country flurry minnesota wild for blue bang whatever ended up being i can't that was 90 trades ago and then the most exciting thing the juiciest thing of the entire day was it 10 30 at night yeah yeah so we're gonna start the show with that yeah so it was just it's not that it was a bad trade deadline necessarily it was definitely more spread out and just the release

of the information was so clunky i think it made for a less eventful day in terms of the tv product for sure because one all the fun stuff happened on sunday so that was just it was a wash for all of the guys who were on the broadcast for eight hours and then yeah when everything came out it wasn't succinct information so it wasn't you weren't able to break it down it didn't make it wasn't the best trade deadline in terms of tvs for sure because of those things you broke i was i was waiting on cop and raquel there was a video i shot it was the third video i shot where i had shot the entire thing because i'm like surely within five minutes i'll have the information on these trades and i sat there for another 90 minutes waiting on the raquel

and cop returns i uh i did enjoy the vignettes on tsn they were good uh they're in between yeah they really did fill time properly and thank god they got rid of the llama thing or whatever they were doing and they used to have maggie the monkey i remember that maggie the macaque how dare you macaque sorry but they they did like a llama thing and it was i didn't think that was funny but man let yesterday that broadcast is just rolling the whole time uh berkey chirping james duffy's like did you miss me? And Berk is like, no.

And then they talked, and then they talked about whose book sold better. And Berk, it was great. So it was. They brought out Angela James, which was fun.

Yeah. And by the way, big shout out to, and I know she's new to the panels and stuff, but I first saw her last week. I guess she's done it before. Cheryl Pounder.

Holy shit. That's who they, they surprised Cheryl Pounder with Angela James. Yes. We gave her the jersey in that whole segment. It was good.

And friend of the show, Hayley Salvian. Oh yeah. Hayley was there. And she was killing it. Yeah. after her olympic coverage decided to uh you know give a pity appearance to the tsn trade they did a mock draft of a new women's league i was like this is incredible yeah great idea she's one of

those people who uh in a very in very short order i'm like oh you're gonna be all our boss soon like just all of them all of us well she is already you just don't know it yeah i we're going to have to change the letters for sdp yeah it'll be hsn hs hspn hsp okay i like that um so here's the thing uh the most important part your your whatever team your trade made it it sucks and it pales in comparison to what's going on between vegas and anaheim currently still open we still don't have an answer on whether this trade is going to be allowed but the background is that the Vegas Golden Knights wanted Ryan Kessler's contract

because they want to be able to put Kessler's LTIR or I'm assuming like I'm assuming that they're not going to you know wake Kess up from Kess's house bring him over

say Kess come out of your house play for us I don't think he's playing anymore yeah LTIR and they wanted that so they can go over the cap now a comparable deal to that

is Evgeny Dodonov who first signed his contract in Ottawa, then was moved to Vegas, I believe in the offseason, and then Vegas was moving him to Anaheim. Now, it's an interesting move, because I gotta say, Pat Verbeek had a really impressive deadline overall, I think. Did a

good job. And Dodonov's one of those guys that, you know, on a not-as-good team like the Ducks are, he's gonna be probably a first-line winger or second-line winger, and he could score 25 goals. He can score. Yeah. He's an incomplete player, but he can put 25 in the net, right?

Which is great, and he's a $5 million player. So they try to make this move, and what comes out is that Dodonov has a no-trade clause that includes the Anaheim Ducks. It's a 10-team no-trader, and Anaheim is included. It's a shame for Padford Beak for having a pretty good deadline and also being the only seemingly innocent party here. Yes. So here's what we know.

We know that Vegas tried to trade him. We know that Vegas was unaware that he had a no-trade clause. We know that there is a rumor floating around, an accusation, that the Ottawa Senators, when they moved to Donoff to Vegas, did not include that piece of information. But that is on Vegas to check. Now, let me say this. What Jesse just said is exactly, exactly right. And they would have had to have the paperwork. because when you send a player you have to send the contract to and here's the other thing the

no trade clause was on puck pd it was on cat friendly public domain jesse why is it vegas's fault because when they acquired the donov in the ottawa trade it's on them to make sure that they have all of the information about the player that they are acquiring no wait though by uh so did don't have had the modified no trade clause but team but ottawa traded him therefore waiving his no trade clause that is the old rule that is the rule that was changed in the last cba that's right that because they gave more power to the players and once you're traded you keep your no trade clause going forward so his his 10 team would have still been intact and vegas should have had that information when they're filing with the league about their new player and they should

kept that on their records and the nhl should have that record as well in their system because they have to register that for each individual player in the entire nhl and if they don't have this information this is a could this is a crazy moment in the nhl that i don't think we're gonna see again in the next like decade i hope not this is wild sloppy as right and it's it's it's particularly bad because of getting to don up like this wasn't an impulsive move that's a complicated trade uh that they probably spent a long time on his name has been in trade rumors for a long time because you look at vegas's cap situation and he does not fit at all they've had a long time to prepare for this and for what for what all the money they paid for that team they don't have

a lawyer they don't have anyone who can just look over the deal now here's sorry go ahead i was gonna say the circumstances of how it broke down to is is just even more fascinating because it happened at the deadline because it was a 3 p.m. trade. So if the trade doesn't go through, there's no time for them to fix this situation. Like, if this was a Saturday trade, if this was a Friday trade,

it fails at league office. You have, like, 24 hours to fix it. Go throw in a different player. But because it happened at the deadline, Vegas is fucked. Well, and this is it, right? Because the rumor right now, as of the recording of the show, and again, we don't have any confirmation, is that this trade will be voided.

because they never requested it's even if dodonov does want to move they never requested that he wave it and it's too late the deadline's over and it's crazy in the in the era where it's a phone call and you don't have to fax in a trade that we're still dealing with this but here's the problem is it puts vegas over the cap and it puts them over the cap so it could i from if i'm reading this right okay what i what i can't understand is their their projected cap space is zero dollars according to cap friendly but um they could be millions of dollars over the cap by the end of the season and that will eat into the salary for next season because if you do go over during the regular season it comes off next year no we have seen that before teams go one or two million and

we've sort of wondered why more teams don't do it if you want to really go balls to the wall right Well, you know who should have, I think, maybe considered it? It's a team like Minnesota. Yeah, because they're going to get eaten alive anyway. I mean, we're about to be in a world of hurt. So, tell you what, I think our cap is $100 million this year. Or even Boston. Well, Boston, I believe, has gone into overage before.

Toronto may have. Toronto may have, but it wasn't by much. By the way, that is the cap space you'll have at the last day of the regular season. So, if they're at zero, that's good. production cap space is zero dollars on the dot however i don't know if that includes the donoff or not right and it doesn't currently okay it's kessler on the cap kessler kessler's on the cap friendly page so cap friendly the way they have the contract right now is if the trade went through they haven't reversed it yet so this is another thing like who are the other guys involved in

this deal and there's john moore and there's someone else like are all of these guys in limbo two oh yeah no it's only uh john moore kessler and donoff yeah the other uh piece is a second round pick that's conditional so there's only those three guys and one isn't playing and one is an ajo right there's donoff who's like well okay i'm not fucking going there's kessler like well i'm not playing anymore and then there's john moore who for all we know could be in anaheim right now because he's like oh all right i was traded and so he left and also he was traded that's the second time John Moore was traded in the last like three days

as well he was involved in another deal I can't remember with who but he was definitely traded like within the past week Jesse's on it he's on it right now I just he's so on it I just think Boston Boston I thought of March 19th Steve you said

something about the Vegas Golden Knights that I have to take umbridge with professor umbridge with and that is that this was not a not a move that was done without significant thought and i have to tell you if that were the case we wouldn't be talking about it right it would have just been a b or c trade on the list of many trades and the reality is the vegas golden knights perhaps more than you think have flown by the seat of their pants for the better part of two years

and they I think they did a really good job with the expansion draft I think anybody can deny that Stanley Cup finals I mean my god right but let you know let's talk about signing Nate Schmidt and then basically booting him out the door when somebody better comes along let's talk about I mean not that it's not that it's wrong but it's how they did it how about trading uh the Vesna winner then needing a goalie well and and maybe you can't maybe like if you look at Vegas's injuries like it's it's bad right like you can't plan for that but that's one goalie there's only one goalie on injured reserve for swat and logan thompson one of those guys and it would have been would have been the backup yeah and we acknowledge that at least part of vegas's ltir situation is

their own doing i agree with that and i it's not oh what did they ask guys to get hurt there are guys who elected for surgery that in most other situations they probably would have waited until the offseason who is that well mark stone in particular i think they probably would have waited there are lots of players who could go and have surgery right now right this very minute they're dying for the offseason can't wait to go have the surgery and recover and finally not be in pain anymore but i also kind of want to win the stanley cup right and i think this is a very good roster with everybody healthy but you've got patch ready leonard smith mcnab stone martinez all on either injured reserve or long-term injury reserve and beyond that you know you talk about

the mark andre flurry situation people are going to look at me and go you do a show with walsh we get it but remember that uh mark andre flurry was traded for essentially nothing and he had just won the vesna and they didn't tell him he found out on twitter they leaked it to an insider who who then tweeted it which is what an insider should do i don't blame the insider i think it's the right thing to do no because it's an insider you go you probably go can i tweet this and they go yes and then you tweet it but they didn't call them that's public record and i i gotta say something that brian burke said on sportsnet it was either last trade deadline or last playoffs or something brian burke fucking nailed this okay and i agreed with mo i disagree with most of what

brian burke said even though i fucking love the guy but he he nailed this and he said vegas is developing a reputation with players agents and other organizations as flippant and the flippancy is and just let me explain this for one second the flippancy is not cutthroat because a lot of people whenever i bring this up people are like oh they're just being cutthroat wouldn't you want your team to be like that i agree cutthroat is how you have to be in professional sports but you can be professionally cutthroat or you can be sloppy cutthroat professional cutthroat is Fuck, this sucks. I really hate the organization for moving on for me.

But I get it. I get it. They had to move on because they made their choice. They got to move on. And I can respect them for that. Sloppy is the first guy you picked in the expansion draft, face of the franchise, guy that brought you all the way to the Stanley Cup finals. We're going to trade you and then not tell you.

That's sloppy. Hey, we're going to acquire a guy from the Ottawa Senators who clearly, who also don't have their shit together. We'll talk about Travis Hammond in a little bit. oh my god the story there is bananas what yeah but the but the ottawa senators you don't double check that this guy doesn't have a no trade clause didn't you hire the guy who created the original cat friendly and puckpedia general fantasy general tom tom we told tom can you check cat friendly the site that copied you no offense cat friendly i love you guys it was like

tom was just the first one on it wasn't he or maybe they were at the same time i wasn't trying to be mean uh i don't know they were same time were they same time okay then my bad cat friendly i love them i love cap but the the site that was almost identical no it was there i think you might be thinking cap geek was cap which was the og that was the og that's what i thought it's my bad and it was a brilliant idea and and i i just this is exactly what brian burke was talking about it's cutthroat but it's sloppy and you can't respect it and i'm gonna suggest something uh vegas if they get healthy uh cup contender it's really hard to fire gms in this league they usually get a lot of rope kelly mccrimmon hasn't been there for a very long time if this trade

doesn't go through and they miss the playoffs he should be fired so and dude dale tallon was fired from the chicago blackhawks for a very similar clerical error was he yes um it was the cam barker contract remember that can you explain it again like i remember there being a cam barker issue but like it was a person like don't have to go into full detail yeah it was it was a very long time ago and basically uh some sort of paperwork was not filed in time and i believe the black hawks were penalized somehow and then he was fired and stan bowman came in and there's lots of rumors uh surrounding all oh there was some political maneuvering yeah to be sure um You know, while Dale Talon was at the helm, whose fault actually was it?

But yeah, that cost him his job. Vegas currently, according to MoneyPuck.com. You can find this yourself, MoneyPuck.com slash predictions. Super easy URL to remember. Vegas, it's so bizarre because I'm not sure who would take the spot from them. But Vegas' chances of making the Stanley Cup playoffs at this point are 42. oh my god it's below zero sorry sorry below 50 now sorry 43 yeah oh boy that that changed in our hurry didn't it it did they've had i mean listen they've had a ton of injuries i get it

but you in jack eichel have a gm if you're in free i know holy shit if you're in free fall i think we can agree this isn't his uh well sabers fans might disagree well um but i i mean if you're in free fall doesn't it behoove you like dallas has a better shot vegas is currently ahead of dallas right now but they've got five games dallas is five games in hand dallas's chances are making it are somewhere in the neighborhood of like 63 64 percent vegas i mean the best the best thing vegas is going for them is most of the teams behind them sold not all of them they're in deep shit they're in deep shit they'll be back next year if everybody's healthy but this year you if your team is in free fall does it not behoove you to be extremely careful

at the trade deadline you'd think so you'd think so dude this is i don't does this happen in other sports yes where every couple years there's an incident where the league has to go by the way everyone here are the rules remember that happened to jim benning with um oh the russian defenseman the big russian defenseman i forget his name he signed him to i think it was the three-year entry-level deal okay and but he was too old to sign to a three-year entry-level deal it was against the rules you can only do a two-year entry-level deal so the nhl had to send an email league wide by the way here are the rules there was a team didn't the calgary flames offer sheet ryan o'reilly yes yeah and even if they had gotten him he would have had to go through

waivers for some reason i don't remember how that worked yeah i don't remember how it worked i think they could have potentially given up a king's ransom and then lost him for free lost him for nothing by the way friend here are the rules this is what happens when you have the same 40 dudes for 32 jobs this is what happens when you have to call bill daly and gary betman for some unknown reason to be like who should i hire why did you work your entire life just for gary betman to tell you what to do get a clue get a clue you're you're a hockey you're a hockey guy you know tough guy alpha male beating up people and shit make a decision

for yourself nope nope you're gonna you're gonna go through the same pool of fucking guys who don't know the rules we can agree that vegas is one of the best teams in the nhl right yes over the last half decade absolutely over the last half decade one of the best teams in the nhl okay does this not back my theory that the only reason someone wins the stanley cup every year is because they have to well i mean if you're sloppy like they've been and they have been sloppy is that you do get paid back. Now, next year... It's one of the smartest teams in the NHL.

Next year, when Pacioretty and Stone and Leonard and everybody's back, I'll get this fucking thing tweeted back at me going, oh, you called them sloppy and they're a playoff team. That, bare minimum, they should be a playoff team. That is not the goal here. Vegas should be contending.

Because they won means they didn't make a mistake. You're right. I can't wait for some no-brain-cell idiot to fucking say that. Like, literally... like okay good teams make mistakes this one's egregious it's bad this one's bad with huge multi-million dollar implications for a billion dollar hockey team i feel bad for dodonoff i feel bad for dodonoff too you know he probably left money on the table in order to get that no move

clause like and then now he has to go back to the team you know because like this is all going to get resolved and it's not traded now he has to go back and play for vegas and he's like you guys traded me and when you weren't allowed to and i didn't want to go to anaheim and now i have to play for you guys and well and that's the thing too like in other situations they might be like tell you what just go home vegas can't afford no they need they need him to not just play but play his ass off is he a ufa at the end of this year i don't think so no he's got a big old deal because if he was the ufa i'd be like oh that's easy he has one more year left yeah it was a three or 15 million dollar deal wasn't it oh i thought it was five times five no five times if you're a ufa

this summer it's easy you you wipe your hands and you never reach out to vegas again but he's got another year to play do you request a trade well now if you're another nhl team you call up vegas in the off season then you go well well so you got this dadan off you want to get off your hands yeah hey kelly who's your daddy now kelly yeah how's how's it going right pretty good i hear that's something we should see at the at the draft or during free agency but the don't have not long for vegas if this is the case can i also throw this out there how do you feel if you're to don off can i throw this out there was the question that kelly mccrimmon asked sorry what do you do you not feel a little bad for the donoff who they tried to trade him he

earned this right people are somebody wasn't listening oh did you catch that i was i was lining it up sorry oh sorry i wasn't just had that did you say okay well i feel bad for him too sorry too man sorry i was pulling some stuff the leafs just dropped their new jerseys see i thought i did so i wanted to get that and then i wanted to queue up the next thing which is travis hammock oh okay that's my bad it's my bad i sent jesse a link on the leafs jerseys we'll get to that in a little bit so it's i i know i know you're trying to transition to the sense we didn't really we haven't talked about them enough here um so vegas's accusation or whoever's accusation that ottawa didn't tell vegas about this deal it's totally totally unacceptable

oh yeah and and you know what i don't doubt them i i agree with them ottawa probably didn't tell them because they don't have to look at the contract even like if ottawa didn't that's bad and it's still not an excuse agreed but ottawa doesn't need to do that here's the contract agents are so often consulted in these situations and oh you mean the vegas golden knights didn't call an agent well that's that's my assumption either he's got the worst agent in the world or they didn't consult him because i assume that agent would have been like uh no he has a no trade clause and doesn't want to go to fucking anaheim class need i direct you to the mark andre flurry situation where they didn't tell the player they didn't tell the agent but

they told the insider and that's how they found out on twitter oh they don't call the agent they've done this before i'm trying to find out who is agent i yeah puckpedia give me to donald i'm gonna look it up too i got it puckpedia by the way super underrated website yes it is um maxime I don't know I believe you here I'm gonna Oliver I don't try and use uh the correct pronunciation no you're really good at the the names Maxime Molly V I'm gonna say or Oliver I'm gonna say Oliver now let's play a fun game called does he have any other Vegas clients because if he does it's gonna be very funny uh agent maxim over why can't i find it this is great he does not he does not sorry uh he does no he doesn't yeah uh pavel dorovev

oh so dadanov is listed as a duck on puck pdm that's how i missed it that's funny yeah this is Dude This is dude How do you go to Vegas How do you go to Vegas Oh I think you still go because it's great But I think What Vegas needs to do

Is to take a good long hard look in the mirror And go this is our eggs on our face Nobody needs to lose their job over this But there's some egg on our face we gotta change the way we do business The directive from ownership Is ruthless pursuit of the Stanley Cup Which I love how great is that Elliot Freeman and Jeff Merrick have said it over and over again.

It's ruthless pursuit of a Stanley Cup. Not sloppy pursuit of a Stanley Cup. Yeah, but like you're going to, when you literally don't care about the people who play for your organization, you're going to be sloppy. And how do you instruct the Vegas Golden Knights organization to care? It's funny that the show started with the conversation about caring. I don't know.

You own a company. Yeah. You want people to care? that's how you do it the owner goes hey guys can you care yeah but what if you've already told them not to care for several years and now all of a sudden you're the only one who can it comes from the top but what i'm saying is you cannot okay and now we all care no like caring is uh like i don't think that's a business thing it's not a hockey thing that's a person thing and if you don't give a shit about people i don't know if that's a skill you can learn you either do or

you don't scrooge learned it in one night it's true but it took three ghosts adam well anyway can i move to the ottawa now no i want to read this piece from thomas trance and rick dollywell two of the best best sports reporters in in vancouver they're so great and rick's show is great and you should watch it the they wrote it was they summarized in the athletic the um the canucks uh a deadline and why they did what they did and why they hung on to shen and you know jt miller didn't get traded etc etc you can look all that up yourself but they titled this the hammock thing because everyone was like the senators bought untrade deadline and they bought But Travis Hamanick, if this was six years ago, I'd be like, hey, good pickup.

It's the most confusing trade of the week. This is unquestionably one of the worst signings that Jim Benning ever made because there were issues with, I believe earlier this year, they re-signed him, but he was not vaccinated. So there was issues with him playing, from what I understand. There's dispute on that. Is there? Okay, I'm just telling you what I remember.

Well, the dispute is he was out for, yes, he was unvaccinated, but he was out for other reasons. Okay. And some people think that's convenience. Other people take him at his word. I mean, it's how we know. It was a very confusing saga to follow. Either way, he was barely playing and he was making 3 million bucks this year and 3 million bucks next. And here's what I love about how vicious the Vancouver Canucks see themselves right now is, this is insane.

New Canucks leadership recognizes there's a lack of talent and a lack of structure within the organization at present. That applies both to the way the club plays on ice and the way it prepares off. Now, fast forwarding to the Hamanek thing. Let me read this. Lots of folks around the industry were stunned that the Canucks were able to jettison

Travis Hamanek's entire contract without taking money back in the deal. That they got a third round pick in the process was gravy. It was truly an unlikely and remarkable heist, an indication that when gauging market value, all it takes is one sufficiently motivated buyer to upend the preconceived notions of the entire industry. The deal was all the more remarkable because there were no other bidders involved. The senators were the only suitor for Hamannik, the only team that expressed interest.

Like nothing about this deal makes sense from Ottawa's perspective. Other than he's a warm body who's going to play for them next year, which they're going to have problems finding. Okay, but they suck. That's why. So you give up a third? They gave up a third, man. And from an Ottawa Senator's perspective,

okay, he makes a bunch of money. Well, surely the actual money he makes is less than his cap hit. That's something they've done before. He makes more. he's got a three million dollar cap hit and makes 3.25 next year and has a signing bonus what are they doing what are they doing and then the Canucks turn around and they get younger more more versatile cheaper travis dermot for the same price this team ottawa should the third should have been coming to them the canucks desperately need that cap space

badly they need it badly and it's like the sins were frothing at the mouth like yes i want travis hamannik at all costs travis hamannik it's a nonsensical move it's a nonsensical move from from where they are on the ice it's a nonsensical move from where they are financially it's a nonsensical move for what they plan on doing in the future it's nonsense i and and you know maybe it's not the biggest deal because like let's let's face it it's not like the sends are in danger of hitting the cap yeah it made sense from the perspective that they need like adam said warm bodies is three million dollars on your cap next year and it's a right handed defenseman you know you're you're guaranteeing this player is on your roster

sure but is there not another guy out there who's who's younger and a better price and you outline oh yeah travis dermot was the exact same price is younger and is less money yeah or or or at very least you're the team who gets the pick for taking on that salary you the Sens did the Canucks a favor here's the other thing so if you look at Ottawa media Ian Mendez wrote an article in it and it talked about it a little bit today but here's so good so that I love you but Mark Mathot who is super pro senators all the time despite what the senators throw at him and anti-leafs Anti-Leaf, for sure. And he trolls Leafs fans.

He's good at it. But he said, Hamadik is a weird acquisition, for sure. I honestly haven't followed the on-ice of the player for some time. I could say this. I know lots of players. All of them have told me that the new acquisition is a bit of a different bird. Not sure that's what I'd want around a young core.

Of course, I could be wrong. The problem is, I'm usually correct. So he's questioning the person you're bringing into the locker room. Yes. And so here's what Peridurian said. And I just thought you guys would find this interesting. So I want to read this and let you guys bounce it around. He said he 100% stands behind the deal.

Well, he made it. Of course, he does. Pure Dorian always sounds like he's being held at gunpoint. When he got home, he said, quote, the girlfriend told me not to check social media because in older generations, they refer to their partners as the girlfriend. This is a quote? Yeah, he said the girlfriend. That's the top quote in the article. By the way, referring to your girlfriend as an object is probably something you shouldn't

do anymore, but that doesn't make the top 10 ranking list of things that Ottawa management has done in the last 10 years that are bad. I'm uncomfortable. Or maybe it does. I'm extremely uncomfortable. You should be uncomfortable with that quote. It's an uncomfortable quote. That's why I brought it up.

He said, let's not fool ourselves. I don't think Hamadik's the top guy that he used to be like in 2017 when Cal repaid two second round picks in a first form. But I think sometimes you don't give a chance to players. Give this guy a chance. He wants to prove how important of a player he can be here. When Dorian was asked directly on Monday if Hamanek would slide into a top four role, the GM said, was somewhat elusive.

He said, I think we'll just let the chips fall where they fall. I think Travis has a lot of good hockey left, and he's got to prove it. I'm not going to say he's going to be first pair or second pair or third pair. Wherever he plays, he'll play. that's fair you can't project the roster uh six months in advance for a team right that that's the last part's fair but everything else is just such a question no you missed you missed this quote adam the old ball and chain told me to avoid cap friendly yeah that's well so here's here's what here's what the senators have under contract next season oh no for the defensive

core definitely brady kachuk shabbat eight million dollar cap it worth it i think yep Artem Zub, $2.5 million. Nick Holden, $1.3 million. Nikita Zaitsev, still making $4.5 million. And I remember we had Senators fans going, thank you for Nikita Zaitsev. You know what? He's so great.

No, you're not. You're not saying that now, are you? Let him have the one year. Michael DelZotto, $2 million next year as well. Who they supposedly, what? Yeah, and. He makes pardons? And Travis Hamanek, $3 million next season.

And you got Lassie Thompson and Jacob Bernard-Docker as well. for all you and by the way eric brandstrom is not included in that table yeah they're gonna have trouble hitting the floor like they're gonna need some more people but travis it seems like they wanted travis heminick the guy no matter what i don't know why dorian wanted him really badly but that's the guy he sought out even though nobody else was looking for him and he paid to get him when he should have been helping vancouver or he's helping vancouver so he should have gotten something to take them off their hands there are 30 nhl teams um by the way so delzotto is coming up from belleville he hasn't played since november in the nhl now the ottawa

senators who are broke and don't like paying bonus payments are on the hook for zaitsev and hammond at 3.5 million dollars this summer and they're gonna have to pay oh my god i don't get it they did sign anton forsberg i like that deal yeah that was a great deal i like that deal for them he's been playing but i and and here's the other thing so um the nick paul trade nick paul drafted developed they wanted to sign him to i think it was three years 10 million he wants 12 so you are per year yeah no no no connor three years so you're 750 grand apart you meet in the middle costs you like 11 million bucks that's okay that's how cash strapped they are right if they're cash strapped though why are you going out i would i would have kept my third

round pick signed nick paul yeah and gone who else can i pick up from the dumpster yeah this is the super confusing thing about that deal is like uh some people didn't understand why i hated the nick paul trade it's not even that it's the worst deal in a vacuum it's when you consider the other stuff they did it makes no sense it makes no sense and he wanted to stay he was talking about staying now matthew joseph's coming the other way he's won a couple cups that's great he's a good player but is he nick paul uh and that's not his fault by the nick paul i think is a great fit for tampa and he'll play deeper in tampa's lineup matthew joseph i think the sends are a great match for him because he'll play higher in their lineup and hopefully put up a bunch of points so that he

can go make more money elsewhere because dude you're not gonna get it there they don't pay anyone except for when they very mysteriously do i don't understand so this is what i want to ask you and i i thought about the two of you immediately as i often do when hockey stuff happens i'm like i gotta bring this up with steve and jesse i think about you all the time this is what i thought about okay we all knew there would be a time when pierre number one would be supplanted by pierre number two you knew that right you knew that i'm looking at you in the camera you knew right you knew you knew that there would be a time when mcguire would supplant dorian

Oh, by the way, you forgot? That's right. The senators, the cash-strapped senators, went and hired Pierre Maguire, who used to make a million bucks a year for NBC, so I can only imagine he's making somewhere close to that with Ottawa. They went out and they signed Pierre Maguire

to liaise. And everybody's like, Pierre Dorian's like, I'm thrilled, I can't wait. Guys, everything Pierre Dorian has done to this point feels like Pierre Dorian. And I think you got a feel for what Pierre Dorian is. This smells like Pierre Maguire.

With the exception of Matt Murray, which is just a terrible signing. But at the time, I was like, hey, you want two cups? I was the one going, the Leafs should get them. Yeah, but you weren't saying sign him to six and a quarter. No, I wasn't. No, I was not. I think there was going to be a time and a place where this happened. That's Pierre Maguire.

He's a domineering guy. He's a big personality. I think I found it, by the way. What is it? Travis Hamanick played for the Canadian World Junior Team. Oh, no. So Pierre knows him well. Gosh darn right I know him well.

He was drafted by the Calgary Flames, and then he went... Oh, my God. Islanders, wasn't it? Actually, yeah, it was the Islanders. Thank you. Anyway, long story short. Ooh, interesting. Now...

I don't get it. Am I wrong, though? Does that smell like Pierre Maguire? Do you guys agree with that? Oh, it's the first name I thought of. Okay. jesse you're usually the voice of reason i don't know somebody seems to really like travis hamannik the player in particular and they went out and they specifically got him like that's

the scenario he's on the market and somebody within that organization whether it's whether it's dorian whether it's mcguire whether it's a scout somebody really liked that one player so they paid a price for him when it was completely unnecessary and there's just as talented if not more talented defensemen on the market yeah uh they i think the worst teams lack purpose the senators didn't lack purpose here they had a very distinct purpose we are doing this and i think it was the wrong purpose with their rebuild and they said remember before the season started that the rebuild's over it's not i i one of the things that we've talked about they've done some really good things but we always ask with teams that are underperforming what are you

what are the senators going to be like if you see a rebuild happening we saw it happen with the leafs the least we're going to be smaller skilled uh they're going to score a bunch of goals and they let in a bunch of goals we saw that we knew what that was going to be you know 2016 through 2019 that's what it was right what are the ottawa senators in their rebuild aiming to be at their best in a year or two they think mean mean the a lot of the biggest overachieving teams okay here's here's what they improved they the senators need to be an overachiever overachieving teams in the nhl are often meaner than yours and have better goaltending they locked up their best goaltender that's good and they got meaner that's good they are trying to get

Zachary Seneshan, who will hopefully be a value pickup for them. We'll see. They're trying to get Matthew Joseph to be a value pickup for them. We'll see. Hammonick's mean. Dude, it's not good. With the team this year, I know they've struggled to score goals. I know they're in the bottom 25 of goals for per game.

And defensively, they've been okay. They've been able to play a slower hockey where they can limit the chances for the other team, but they just can't score right now. And I don't know how anything they've done recently can help that situation where they're going to improve offensively. Like, you're hoping for all of their prospects to just improve with age, hoping to get better

because they're just getting older. And I don't know how that's... If it changes in the future, cool. Like, if they all turn into superstars, that's amazing. But they're not actively trying to get better in any way right now, even though they struggled all year. Can I throw this out there? Throw it.

The Canucks probably got more for Travis Hamanick than the Philadelphia Flyers got for Justin Braun. What was the Justin Braun trade? It was also a third. Third round. But it's a third from the Rangers instead of the Ottawa freaking Senators. Was it the Ottawa's third or was it because they had three thirds? Oh, good point.

Good point. No, it wasn't their third round pick because they still have their third. No, Vancouver got more than... Well, they were both thirds, and what I was trying to say is Ottawa's going to have one of the worst thirds because they stink, but if it's not their actual third, then it doesn't matter. Hold on, though. But the Vancouver Canucks got a better third than Philadelphia did. That's what I'm trying to say.

No, they did. Ottawa didn't send their third. Oh, no, that's what we're saying. Okay, sorry. And is that the one that they – the Winnipeg was the one they sent to Toronto, so it's Winnipeg's third to Toronto for Travis Dermott, right? Yes. Okay.

I think it was Vancouver's third that Ottawa sent back. I'm honestly not totally sure. Interesting. Yeah, it is. It's Vancouver's third they sent back. That's just what a mess, man. It's a mess. Vancouver reacquired their third round pick.

Let's move on to the Toronto Maple Leafs here. Woo! Now, we'll start with the trades that were, and then we'll move on to the trade that wasn't. You want a full circle thing before you do that? Yeah, please. uh that ottawa third that vancouver third that uh ottawa sent for hamannik was acquired by ottawa in the dodonoff trade

so they got the dodonoff third and they flipped it for hamannik so they traded dodonoff for hamannik so ottawa acquired vancouver's third and nick holden for dodonoff in the trade where they didn't also send the no trade list and then now they had sent that third round pick to bank back to vancouver for the hammond so they traded and vancouver had originally sent that third round pick to vegas for nate schmidt who so that's a that's a that's a dadana for him and nick and nick holden so that's really confusing did they basically trade nate schmidt for travis dermot well that's not the same pick yeah we're talking about yeah it's a different pick it's very confusing yeah it's crazy hey uh so let's talk about the what the leafs did do okay the leafs

how much time you want to spend on alex biega no time on alex biega because on that part of the trade deadline i don't care um how did the leafs do mark giordano colin blackwell ilia labushkin i include in that too i agree okay you get two pretty solid defense but labushkin's coming and done a great job he's done exactly what he was built to do nothing on offense um kind of a gandalf you shall not pass on defense yep he is what they told me martin marincin was for years but never was martin marincin but understands how his size yeah yeah that's right he moves people mark giordano not as much to offer on the offensive side anymore but defensively he's still very strong and also let's be honest any offensive numbers you look at from mark giordano

have to be uh viewed under the lens of he played for seattle and they suck and they're worse than the coyotes this year they are actually worse than the coyotes no i'm just i'm just so glad brody and giordano two toronto boys getting to live their dream and playing with each other And Colin Blackwell, who's an energy left winger, which they needed. You would think that he was going to be brought in to be like depth, maybe third, fourth line. But I think they give him a shot on Tavares and Nylander's line. I agree. Now, how do you feel about the trade deadline?

How did you guys feel about walking away from that as a Leafs fan? They didn't. I mean, okay, they still have Matthew Nyes. That was my number one fear is they would trade him. they still have their first round pick um there was a tweet out there from nick alberga about like i don't understand the reluctance for the leafs or the oilers to spend their first round pick if you're in a win now mode and i understand that thinking i just don't think there was a deal out there that made sense um well who are you gonna get exactly you're gonna get mark we'll talk about

the trade that didn't happen but it's mark andre flurry right so there was that and that would have been interesting um but uh they didn't spend ginormously and they're a better team so they didn't give up any of their most important assets they didn't give up any of the prospects they've cleverly drafted and developed and they got better is that not the perfect scenario i mean you don't get anything for free so isn't this great especially at the trade deadline where you're overpaying especially at the trade deadline i think they did a great job jesse yeah the issues to fix were on the defense and in goal and maybe you get a depth piece and forward they they got two out of the three and the goalie situation there was no goalie out there to get so

how can you ask if you're asking dubas to go get a goalie you try to on uh for assigning the european free agent harry harry sateri i don't think was gonna solve the situation right yeah and if you look at the goaltending situation you're okay with what you have with going forward you're okay with uh shalgren and morazic and campbell it's okay and then giordano and blackwell they're good pieces to add and that's all you want because the offense is fine this team can score at will at any moment it seems like this entire year and then yeah the depth on defense when you add giordano like he's still uh two years removed from a norris trophy he's still a good player he's still very talented and he's repaired with brody it's gonna be fun uh latest from elliot friedman on

dodonov and you're listening to this you probably already know these answers but somehow in a trade call from ottawa to vegas a team to donov could not block obviously vegas was not on the no trade the golden knights in the nhl were led to believe protection had expired slash not been filed properly but there was correspondence proving no trade paperwork filed correctly and on time june 30th he said so we'll wait and see how this is adjudicated so the so the golden knights are accusing the sands of screwing them yeah this will be interesting still it's sloppy you should still check if the if the correspondence and paperwork was with nhl registry which would have to have been you could have called that's fascinating i'm i'm interested like how do you

how do you punish whom yeah well we'll see probably nobody gets punished um now i don't think i gotta talk about this i gotta with with the leafs what i like with giordano especially labushkin already gave him some of this muzzin is out right you needed left side help you got a guy who's experienced a guy who's done it with the flames a guy who's led good person wants to play here that's important in toronto it might resign it's an it might resign at a yeah reasonable deal what mark shirdano and labush can give you are flexibility you know jake muzzin's out and i don't know if jake muzzin's ever going to be and i i say this honestly i don't think anybody quite knows i know he's skating is he going to be healthy enough to play hockey again at a level

that's acceptable in the nhl it's not that he can't put on skates my question is can he grind day to day and if he can you know that by the playoffs and i know that by the playoffs jake muzzin isn't going to be 100 healthy you know that no so what do you do well you got riley who's had a great year you got giordano and if muzzin is healthy enough and good enough you shelter him on the third pair he's still a bastard to play against he's still a guy that the leafs absolutely love he's gonna go to war for you but you don't have to play him 22 minutes a night and this pushes down one of hall lilligran or sandin there's really need's gonna be out for a while they said yeah out indefinitely but when he's healthy there's one roster spot for those three

riley's in labushkin's in brody's in giordano's in uh muzzin's in and then what it's sandin on the right or Lilligren or Hall. I think we have to rule out Sandin. I don't think we should be planning for Sandin to be back. They set out definitely. They set him up. When they announced his injury yesterday, I was like really? When? When did this

happen? Okay, fine. Then you're looking at Riley Labushkin, Giordano Brody, and then probably Muzzin. Lilligren. And I would give it to Lilligren because I think he's earned it. Yeah, that's a tough that's a really tough call.

but tough call but either way it's better that any of those guys instead of playing out of their depth are on the third pair think about it like this when the leafs played columbus and when the leafs played uh montreal last year their shutdown pair was hall muzzin now those guys are probably the third pair yeah that's that's a marked improvement and so listen i'm not a head in the clouds leaf fan here i have my worries goaltending cute chief among them i don't think there was a deal to be made with goaltending and i think i i haven't minded labushkin riley at all no i'm curious about brody and giordano reuniting i think that'll be interesting i think it's sort of like a top pair by committee it's just a really solid top four

and a dependable well i say a dependable third pair when we don't even know who's going to play on um i think the third pair is going to be an experiment um i haven't seen the line rushes from today or i guess the leafs don't play till tomorrow but like i wouldn't be totally shocked to see like kibi homie and duzak potentially play don't you give him a try what about mac hollow yeah well i don't know about kibi homie because he freaking almost hurt spezza yesterday so i'm upset okay had practice but no yeah they're gonna i think they're gonna try guys now you got 20 games less there's a 20 game practice till game one of the playoffs like that's that's the rest of the season here because the east is entirely solved the top eight and it's

is where they're all going to slot in who cares if at least fall back a little i i want to see keith for the next 20 games just try out everything he's got like all of these extra forwards if if simmons doesn't crack the lineup anymore if you want to try spezza a little up in the lineup or out of the lineup i want to see it if blackwell makes it to the second line i want to see that and i want to see all these defense parents like that's we got 20 games here to try out everything and whatever works the best that's what you go with game one of the playoffs and hopefully the goalie situation is also solved by that it's it's a paper improvement to me because last year they were good they needed depth so they went out and got it this year they're good and the extras in

the lineup are guys they already have yeah the other thing i want to say about the first round pick so let's talk about the deals we're talking about the deals that happened let's talk about the deals that didn't happen when it comes to the first round pick i when when i understand the uh I understand where Nick Alberga was going there with Edmonton and Toronto specifically having goaltender issues. You know, Edmonton didn't have any money to spend, and that's their own fault. And they had goaltending issues, and they didn't solve them last summer. We knew that. Jack Campbell, you know, falling off a cliff after the beginning of the season.

Nobody really was going to foresee that, right? Like, we were talking about him like he should be in contention for the Olympic team. He was that good. The Olympic team, the Vesna, all of it. Like, he was amazing. I forgot about that. And, and so, so listen, mid season, not a lot of goalies move and there wasn't a thing out there to be bought.

My question for everybody that's like, why do they still have their first round pick? Well, first off, they traded it three or four years so far. So that's part of it. That's a lot. The fact that they even have high caliber talent in the system, the way they do is amazing. What do you want? What do you, what do you really want? Like, let me ask you, like, what do you really want that you think a first round pick would

get you? You need a right-handed defender, ideally right-handed, who's going to be not just good, but great this year and going forward. Does a first-round pick get you that? No. It would have to be first and. Nyes or Abruzzese. Because remember, Leaf fans, your first-round pick is a piece of shit.

Like, most teams don't want it. It's like 25th. It's almost a second, right? Yeah. Ideally, it's 32nd. That would be great. but it's like even if they go out in the first round it's going to be in like the 20s yep like the mid-20s that's that sucks that's it's if you look at the draft pick value charts like the first

15 picks like that's a different breed but after that there's a sharp drop off and by the time you get to the mid-20s forget about it it might as well be a second there's no conceivable difference they said between 20 and 40 or 45 in terms of like it's negligible over the course of 10 years when they did these sorts of studies right now um you know obviously everybody was talking about the flurry haggle for nize either first rounder or multiple first rounders and marazic's contract that was the reported contract now we don't know whether a lot of people are out there assuming that flurry was asked to wave as no no trade and said no um to be honest with you i haven't read that anywhere that just floated around on twitter and i think somebody made that up no because people

are dumb like people are like oh okay harry satari was a lot of people's stan the cup yesterday we'll talk about that no because it was funny it was funny but it's funny to say flurry said no to toronto he literally didn't yeah the like i saw people responding to the darren dregger tweet that says in it in plain english it didn't get as far as flurry being asked to wave his no trade and people are like this guy said no to toronto no you just can't read yeah dregger made sure to include that information that this was a leak of negotiations which kyle dubas had a i don't know if we're gonna we'll get to that too but kyle dubas had a big problem with that but it was just they were talking him and davidson and i don't know how it got out but dregger decided to tweet

it but this was the cost and i'm like i don't blame dubas for not paying that well think about Here's what Tampa paid, okay? And you just said the first-round picks aren't as great. Tampa's are a hunk of shit. They are. So the Blackhawks got Boris Kachouk and Taylor Radish. First-round pick of 2023, 2024 as well. Both are top 10 protected.

And four Hagel. So they got two first-rounders and two players. And Radish is a roster player. you know for chicago especially in chicago didn't he have a goal or one of them had like a point in their chicago day sure yeah and and good for them somebody's got to score for chicago um but hagel is one of those guys that on tampa he's like their next blake coleman right he's the next he's the guy and he's under team control for the next two years at 1.5 million which tampa desperately needs we know that right yeah so great deal and he scores you know he's on track

to score some goals and that sort of thing but Fleury and Hagel so Fleury's on an expiring contract no guarantee he re-signs no guarantee the Leafs can afford to re-sign him

then you got Hagel and you got Matthew Nyes now Matthew Nyes played for the American Olympic team Matthew Nyes is a very good player he's probably the top

prospect coming out of the NCAA and I can guarantee you the reason that Dubas was pissed about that Davidson thing is not about the Marc-Andre Fleury stuff

it's he's trying to sign Matt Nyes to play for the Leafs after the college hockey season is done this season now right now they have two spots right so you can have 50 players signed they have two spots and they have their eyes on matthew nize and nick abrazazi both of whom might play for the

leafs this year both of them were on the american olympic i think that deal if the leafs did it and it was only a first rounder i think it's a good deal i think matthew nize comes back and bites i do yeah um he's really but you do drop morazic's boat boat anchor contract that's and you do get haggle for the next two years a part of me says i don't care if matthew nize is a 20 time all-star if you win two rounds if you win one boy that's that's where you do you know yeah you're talking about it like okay i get where that feeling comes from that's dumb like i understand where it's We're all of us, Leafs Nation. Water.

We need a playoff round win. I'm desperate for a playoff round win. But most teams that give up a top prospect and don't win the Stanley Cup, we go, look at those bunch of idiots. That would be us. I think the bar is a little different for the Leafs. That's wrong, though. I think you need to regroup your expectations for this team.

If they win two rounds, they're in the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm not thinking about Matthew Nye's for many many years if Marc-Andre Fleury leads the Leafs to the Eastern Conference Finals you do not give a shit about Matthew Nye it's a battle between your head and your heart

it's a battle between your head and your heart and they're both right your heart's right in this scenario and your head's right your head says don't do it, your heart says do it they're both right so you would have done it Jesse uh it depends i don't know it depends on what's fine right because it depends on what the final

deal is if that's the ask i think more than likely here's the here's the final deal that's flurry haggle four nice first round of morazic's contract yeah i probably do that potentially two first that's what the potential is but i have only heard that i've only seen that online once and and they all they said was potential for multiple firsts which tells me everybody else is it's one first i don't think it ever got to the point where you pass the the negotiation period where you're asking for the ridiculous number and then you bring it back down to the medium number where you finally settle at that's a good point whatever whatever that circle is wherever we land on the okay it's kind of decent for both of us i might do it if it leads me to haggle and flurry

and a third round berth and an absence of peter morales yeah yes and that that i don't know right Like, to me, the best part of that deal is Morassic's contract's gone. At some point, you got to take a chance. You do. And I think— Remember when we all briefly thought he might get claimed on waivers and then it was the other guy? Yeah. Well, so I think what it is is that I get—first off, I get why Dubas is upset because it puts him in a tough negotiating position.

But it is a business. And Matthew Nyes just got an education on what a business the NHL is. I also think Matthew Nyes is going to come in and be a great player. What the Leafs were willing to do was trade some ceiling for some guarantee. Hagel is not probably like he doesn't project to be an absolute superstar, but he's going to be a great player. Matthew Nyes has the potential to be hugely good. Now, I think there's a potential for this deal to be looked at a few years from now.

And we all go, what? what even though they like tamp was a funny example because didn't they give up a was it a first or two first for barclay goodrow uh i think it was i don't know we were all like have you fallen and bumped your head yeah but they won so it doesn't matter they won well and then they let the rangers sign into a ridiculous contract it doesn't matter but you still look at the trade and go where did the value come from and i think we're gonna look at the hagel trade in a few years and we're gonna go where how did they land on that value and the reason is this year is an interesting little blip in time and the cap has not gone up for like three years that's

in the cap era highly unusual do you remember what the first salary cap was 42 million yeah it was like 42 million it's like double that now almost right it's so it's been going up and up and up and up and every year it reliably goes up and up and up and some years it doesn't go up by as much and you go oh and you penny pension everything but the reason that contracts keep going up is because the cap kept going up then it stopped going up and all of a sudden brandon hagel who's like yeah all right it's brandon hagel good contract whatever now all of a sudden that deals worth two freaking firsts and that's that seems like a lot and but it the cap messes it up from everyone's perspective the cap makes it so that a player like him making 1.5 is worth two

firsts for a team like tampa or a team like the leafs and it also makes him a useless player for the chicago blackhawks because people go well you're rebuilding he's only 22 yeah by the time the blackhawks are relevant at all he's 26 27 minimum yeah and not making 1.5 anymore punt out the door he does not help them win it was he helps tampa win it was interesting that you say that because tase said that he's like well if that's not the guy you build around and then i don't know what is it's like jonathan i hope he's got a good account i hope he doesn't do his own guys they're they're so gonna tase and kane i know that's bubbling on the surface they're gone could they be a little less like openly miserable yeah their situation they don't want to they want

to win you know that's that's their whole thing and yeah but you're on the blackhawks guys yeah it's it's past it's past winning time for them yeah also taves is like their eighth leading scorer yeah like he's i know he had a he was out all last year with the health stuff but i get him being frustrated but this is what it is man can i say one last thing on the the leaf thing please do we're not done so go ahead you should probably do this stupid trade 2012 alex anthopolis trades noah cinder guard and travis darno for r.a dickie and josh toley i know a cinder guard goes on to start an all-star game for the uh mets it becomes one of the best pitchers in the league for a brief moment best prospects to a catcher and a pitcher but i wouldn't trade

Noah Syndergaard for that 2012 and 2013 Blue Jays run. Just to bring it into perspective. Well, they didn't go on a run. That was the problem. Yeah, well, no. The 15-16 team. Sorry, the 15-16, but that included R.A. Dickey. 100%. Yeah, yeah. I look back at that. I don't

regret those moments at all. I do that trade 100 times out of 100. I think you're moving the goalposts. R.A. Dickey had very little to do with any of that. And he was like 38 when they got him. It didn't matter. it was it was the gm going for it and then this prospect um it turns out they turned to a prospect but i'm like yeah it's still a good deal because in the moment we got the players

yeah but you're talking about it's like man i would uh the for the 2007 ducks i would do the brad may deal again like no they won because of solani and perry and getzlaff and jaguar but they want to be honest though jesse you might be right about cindergarten i know he was a good player for a bit but like his career record is 47 and 31 yeah dude yeah like it's not that crazy what about the the guys they gave up for too low and for price that to me is the far more comparable okay so you're making my point i'm just i'm saying do the deal for the prospects for the guys to win now that's all i'm trying to say eventually eventually he pulled the trigger early but it didn't work out and then two years later he pulls it again and then it works out

just do the thing because eventually you need to go for it every year can't be looking towards next year i wish more gms would just pull the trigger and do the thing the you know what he's right the fucking la rams sold every draft pick from now till 2040 and what did they do what happened they won the super bowl right they won you know what though what we're starting to see the trigger what we're starting to see with tampa toronto's done this a little bit other teams have done it we're starting to see draft picks two and three years in advance getting moved that is great to hear because they're realizing this one in particular you're well because i think we've we've reached a point where it's like are we gonna do this or not are we gonna are we gonna put both

feet in the pool or are we not yeah but it's copycat league so right now it's moving them two three years down the line and then in five years when everyone realizes what a stupid fucking idea that was not they're gonna stop it's not actually no because those players are those picks are gonna turn into great players for their competition okay i think i think a that's a slippery slope argument but b i would say steve that i think the nhl is figuring out what the nfl did 10 years ago i think that's what's happening and i don't think the pendulum is going to swing back the same way i think that the reality is what you're going to see is like what you see in the chl and you've seen the chl trade drafts like it's like we're going to trade you

the next 40 yeah we're going to trade you an eight-year-old and a seven-year-old and a six-year-old for this 15-year-old yeah and and in major junior there literally is no tomorrow though right i I think that that's how GMs are starting to look at the NHL. There was an article written about it in The Athletic. The windows are so short. You got to go. It's like, look at what the Panthers did. Giroux was a great pickup.

Sherratt, listen, they don't need another skilled defenseman. They need a guy who's going to make you hurt in the playoffs. Sherratt makes sense for them. They paid a lot for him. But if they win the cup, who fucking cares? And that's, you know, you said it yourself, right? What did Tampa pay for Barclay Goudreau? Who cares?

They won the cup. They won. so i'm asking you now again why would you not just send it away who cares i already told you i agree so now you're on the you trade matthew nice and floor and uh for a flurry i'm not necessarily saying that but i am like i'm going with remember i was like well if you make it two rounds that's not good enough yeah no i get it for the leaves it's good when you put it in the context of the blue jays i get it hey now have you considered it was good enough you're a smelly bum you consider that too i i watched um so uh okay harry satari harry satari okay so he you know played in the

olympics finland yeah gold medalist gold medalist the leaf sign up for goaltending insurance goalie for severe novosibirsk and uh obviously the coyotes claimed him now i gotta be honest with you i'm sort of here for it you're you're here for it i'm here for it because it's funny because If I'm the Coyotes, what's the one thing I need right now? An arena. Well, other than that, I need a win. A goalie to play in my fucking community center arena. I need something.

Is this a win for the Coyotes? This is, well, look at how low the bar is. Yes, this is a win because they got one over on the Leafs. No, they just gave away Carter Hutton to the Leafs for future considerations. Well, Carter Hutton sucks, though. Did the Leafs help the Coyotes get Hari Sateri? yeah i guess they did because they did all the leg work but the thing is is that for the no like i mean like there's a spot available for him because they took on carter hutton oh maybe yeah maybe

but my thinking here is if you're the coyotes and you're the gm of the coyotes you do that yeah sure no like for sure you do that it's it's like when shifley with you know nothing better than beating the leafs they're gonna miss the playoffs but the best moment of the season was when they beat the leafs yeah so yeah is there anything better than beating the leafs not for you there isn't um but we've we've been looking at the waiver wire and going jesus is this a bit that teams keep claiming players from the leafs yeah and they have had the most players claim i was told yesterday it is is it actually you were told by somebody that it's actually a bit i was told yesterday that nhl teams think it's hilarious and they do it for fun no way dude who

told you this who told me like i'm not no no what level of staff insider like what are we talking about i'm not comfortable telling you that i believe them you believe them i can i mean the results are in they've had more players claim double than anybody else all right the the idea that the literally a meme the coyotes need a goalie is true like uh yosef konor is on emergency loan they do actually need a goalie but to hear that you believe it's a it's a bit amongst you i don't know what the specific claim was a bit but it is in a bit around the nhl that's kind of funny it's i would do the same i would too come on you wouldn't do the same you're you're bill armstrong you wouldn't do the same uh you're you're listen i mean it explains remember the

scene from the amazon documentary where the canucks claimed jimmy vc yeah and shanahan was like they did oh okay like it's not he wasn't upset about it but he was like why would they do that why did the canucks need jimmy vc and then all of a sudden needed travis boyd as well i think it's because they think it's hilarious what's so fucking crazy is that on asian provocateur frank and alan frank saravali and alan walsh both said nhl gms won't call outside of like their inner circle they won't call other gms but but so they won't call a gm about a legitimate trade but they'll fuck around on the toronto maple leafs that just shows you how much the gms hate the toronto maple leafs so

so there's two things here and i've already talked about this um harry sateri uh first of all i kind of i kind of feel shitty for him uh that sucks yeah well it's not just okay i understand waivers i do so i'm let's say i'm on the toronto maple leafs and i make 700 grand my miners contract is 70 000 okay they put me on waivers i'm about to go to the miners and instead of making 700 000 i'm gonna make 70 holy shit i'm about to make one tenth of the money i just want and then the san jose sharks claim me and they play me on their team or at very late i'm a healthy scratch but i stay with the team i continue to make 700 grand instead of 70 000 it's in my best interest as a player um it's in the nhlpa's best interest that i keep paying union dues and all that i understand

the purpose of waivers who the fuck does this help harry sateri signed a contract less than 48 hours ago with the toronto maple leafs i i harry sateri want to play for the toronto maple leafs scribble scribble scribble mail it off and 24 hours later i'm playing for the arizona coyotes and through some sleuthing this dude was under contract in the khl so he had to buy himself out he had to buy himself out money he had to spend money to buy himself out of his contract with his khl team to sign with hopefully the toronto maple leafs and now he's got to play in fucking arizona in front of no one and who who knows if they're even going to pay him because they always pay their shit late i'm kidding it's a joke but it's not really and this is a motivated individual who

wants to win hockey games he won a gold medal he honest to goodness could have had a shot imagine he gets to play in the playoffs for the leafs and wins like he wins a round he's never he's he's about to get millions of dollars if that happens and he's looking at this going how many situations arise where there's a team looking to go deep in the playoffs who needs a goalie it's not a ton and he's going to arizona he's gonna he's gonna come here he's gonna come to north america for five weeks and then go home when they miss the playoffs because they suck ass so uh and then hopefully sign with the leafs in the offseason i don't know i agree with you how does this help harry satari at all i agree with

you on the rule it's a stupid rule it is a stupid rule i get it but i think the reason for it is it not that is the rule so that rich clubs don't basically hoard players yeah so you can't stash guys in uh european leagues and then bring them over inside but they didn't stash him he's a 32 year old in a unique situation it's a totally unique situation right but the rule has to be all-encompassing also they got to cover everything they got to stop doing that like here's the problem when you it keeps good players out of the nhl what the fuck it does it also it also in my opinion um like if if the coyotes had wanted them so bad you know they could have signed them at any point like the thing that it bothers me because you didn't sign that because they fucking stink

okay they stink the rule itself too i don't think accomplishes what the rule sets out to do right it's to create parody um i mean the reality is that had the leafs not signed harry satari he would not be in the nhl this season nobody would have signed him so it's at a certain point it's like are we are you really helping out the smaller clubs or are you just kind of fucking around and that's what this rule seems like i'm with you on the rule i think the rule is wrong however as long as the rule exists if i'm bill armstrong i do it every time and here's the here's how it helps harry satari you're ready for the memes here's here's how it helps it helps him because the Leafs, apparently in their contract negotiations,

never guaranteed him any playing time, not a minute. Not a single minute. And in Arizona, he's going to play. So he'll get paid more. I think they would have been happy to throw Peter Mrazic into the sun to give Harry Sterry playing time and send Shalgren down probably

so he can play, right? Shalgren's going to play. They would have Shalgren play with Joseph Wohl out, they would have Sheldon play to develop and they would have Mrazek play to get his head right and they would have Jack Campbell and Harry Sateri. Who wins in a street

fight, Kyle Davidson or Kyle Dubas? Oh, we'll get I guess we're there. The answer is Kyle Dubas. Okay. So Kyle Dubas is huge. Kyle Davidson is not. Nobody knows that by the way. Nobody knows Kyle Dubas is huge. He's huge. Kyle Dubas in a picture next to

Brendan Shanahan is like a couple inches shorter brendan shan and i think six two six three and not a tiny man three or four yeah three or four so thick my guess is dubis is six one at the shortest you know six one at least kyle davidson yesterday i did the comparison he's standing next to rocky and danny wirtz he uh does not come up to their neck area i think he's around their shoulders such an uncomfortable photo So I'm guessing he's like 5'7", 5'6". So I'm taking Dubas just based on the stature. We're talking about Dubas renting a barn.

But we also talked about something wild that I think is related to this. That claiming players off waivers from the Toronto Maple Leafs is a meme. You know why it's a meme? Because Kyle Dubas is way too easy to antagonize. You think so? And it goes from the top down. It goes from the top down. The NHL thinks it's funny to pick on him,

and they don't respect him. I don't know if that's true at all. They don't respect him. And if they did, this shit wouldn't happen. No, Kyle Dubas. Well, they definitely don't respect him. Well, because he's considered an outsider. Yeah, he's not one of the 32 guys,

or the 40 guys who rotates in as general manager. Yeah, this is going to do favors for the Chicago Blackhawks, because they're going to, don't worry about him, he's a fucking asshole, and then they're going to do deals with the Blackhawks. this this this conflict with kyle dubas is helping to build kyle davidson's rolodex 100 guys with the leafs he whines about everything fucking asshole i don't know about that i don't i don't know that he is that wrong about you're not you're not thinking like hockey players man

you're you're thinking way too um cleverly this is this is how they operate this is how the nhl operates don't worry about him he's fucking asshole anyway here uh what do you want and that's how they're gonna build friendship and relationships they think it's funny to fuck with the toronto maple leafs and they think it's funny to fuck with kyle dubas which objectively it kind of is it is it kind of is because people who think it's funny to antagonize other people find targets like kyle dubas and that that uh that cup never uh it's never empty is it it will always quench your thirst right it's like um you ever you ever catch the same fish more than once and you can't believe it but the fucking thing loves worms it loves it and cheese there's a

little tip for when you go fishing nhldms don't respect this guy um it's proven in the way they behave and the way they interact the way they treat this guy and uh the kyle davidson thing is just another example well i was gonna ask you next who wins in the street fight kyle dubas or bill armstrong oh bill armstrong's a very angry man hmm like the old guy like is he gonna have like you know bill armstrong used rage bill armstrong used super intense and quite quaff hair he's bill armstrong by the way is is a very big man played in the nhl part of me wonders if Dubas was making calls around the NHL when he was the AGM

and teams were like I can't wait till this little shit doesn't have Lou to protect him and now all of a sudden he doesn't and they're like okay cool now it's lunch money time could be just some

wrapping up here Marc-Andre Fleury to Minnesota do you guys have quick thoughts on that good for him and Minnesota though is what i was thinking good for them they must have to go they have to right yeah i mean it seems like an obvious move that we didn't see see for some reason fair and capo kakunin going out the door for jacob middleton that actually makes a lot of sense like that's a buy that's a double buy um you know for some reason kakunin has like a higher profile name but like that's essentially

the the san jose sharks were giving up or were asking for a second rounder for jacob middleton and I think what they got was better. You don't have to wait on Kapokakun, and he's there. He's not great, but he has the potential to get much better. So the Sharks did well there, and they can still trade Reimer in the offseason. But the Minnesota Wild, I think, became more Minnesota Wild-y. They don't like allowing goals.

Jacob Middleton helps you in that respect and helps beat the shit out of people. They're a good team. they're a real good team man i like those moves uh let's talk about uh let's talk about the flames yarn croc and toffoli i count toffoli as a deadline move because that's really pretty solid we did yarn croc uh last up we did okay i want to make sure yeah it's hard to remember man broussard and kulak in edmonton kulak's fast enough broussard already played there didn't he pretty steep price man yeah sardon edmonton i don't remember him playing in edmonton all right i mean that's sort

that's a low cost nothing move i don't really care but um kulak that's quite a bit yeah that's quite a bit i'm more surprised edmonton didn't get a goalie than i am for toronto well yeah because that's been a problem since the beginning right like it's you're still running with toskinen and smith and skinner yeah yeah stewart's gonna still there i think you're just hoping that one of these three guys worked out same situation in toronto you should hope that i guess now that i talk it out you know it makes a little sense play playoff similar situation playoffs are when you stop caring about everyone's feelings right now okay let's see if mike smith gets it back let's see if he gets it back game one of the playoffs he allows a shitty goal all right mike get the

fuck out and we are putting stewart in you got three options it's enough to rotate and find the guy yeah 100 and skitter's been a really nice surprise uh panther's gonna do like i mean he's been better than he was totally okay we're talking about uh yeah that was a low bar but you're right um adequate jeru charot and hag along with a couple others with the panthers we talked about that a little bit but here's the thing akblad on ltir yesterday yeah yikes may not will not play the rest of the year they know that may play in the playoffs they were going real hard after a bunch of players i heard andrew cop obviously didn't end up working out um boy just the worst luck in the universe tough but they're still great not the team uh ekblad yeah um no i i hope

he comes back um for the guy and if he does there they'll be a wagon and if he doesn't they'll still probably be pretty good did you see that hubert i was gonna set the record for most points ever for a left winger no in a season yeah in a season so most assists ever i think it is that doesn't belong to Gary Curry and her left wing was he a right winger it's something ridiculous so okay I guess not a lot of points go through the left wing because okay I believe it's Alexander Ovechkin now holds the all-time record for points by a left winger do you know who held it before him no could throw it a name left wing I don't know like I just all the people as wingers pick someone who played in the 80s and 90s uh Brett Hall right winger I'm assuming right winger

you got a name just go luke robitaille oh yeah that's the right response you're both correct you both have the same response because it's right luke robitaille great player yeah best i mean it's pretty good that's what that voice was yeah great player best yeah at his position ever okay um uh so i think the panthers did good although uh uh colby armstrong brought up on the sportsnet panel uh which i thought was really interesting um he said you know it could be too much scoring in in florida who said that colby armstrong and i i thought that was interesting he's like he's like i'm just looking at the lineup where does he fit who claude geroux okay so they were number one in the nhl in goals four yeah and then they got claude geroux and claude geroux is a

setup maniac. I was definitely looking, going, where the fuck? So Daily Faceoff has him in at right beside Barkov and Verhage on the top line. Well, I mean, yeah, he'll play wing. Jesus.

Most assists ever by a left winger in a season. 70. And Huberto's at 65. So yeah, that is the record. He's on the break. That's crazy. It's set by Joe Junot. Oh, Joe Junot. The guy who had his incredible rookie season

and then was okay the rest of the way. He had 70 assists as a left winger in 92-93. I think that he was the... I believe he was the rookie of the year that year and then was never as good. That list... Does that list not just add to the conversation we just had? Kevin Stevens is number two.

All those players are good. Matt Naslin. Michelle Goulet. And then Jonathan Huber. Goulet. And then Johnny Pearson. Mark Messier, 7? Joe Juno is interesting because he scored 32 goals in that season, Jesse,

that you mentioned for the Bruins. 102 points. He never had more than 15 ever again. 15 goals? In a season. Wow. And then when he scored the 70 assists, he had 102 points. He never got higher than next year's 72.

And after that, I think he got to 64 once, and the rest of them are in the 40s. A bizarre career. Yeah. Like, really bizarre career. Big part of the Caps, I think, in that run to the Stanley Cup Finals, too. Yeah, he had a really good playoff that year. I remember that.

Him and Adam Oates. The Florida has too much scoring conversation is dumb. I just thought it was worth bringing up. I was like, that's interesting. How is that a problem? I thought the Kevin Bieksa story was pretty interesting because he talked about a team he was on bringing in a player who screwed up the team's chemistry. Sure. And then, oh man, who was it?

Pasaduboulos, was it? Wrote an article basically going, all right, let's figure out who he was talking about. And they're pretty sure it was Derrick Roy who joined the Canucks years ago. So like, but like... Is Derrick Roy Claude Giroux? Well, like Derrick Roy was a guy who had red flags

like over his career, but was really good. Whereas Claude Giroux like just had like a tearjerker thousand game ceremony leaving his team as captain and yep like i don't know is adored yeah i just feel like you maybe don't have to worry about that and also the structure of the florida panthers for a team that's so unbelievably destructive offensively they shuffle a lot like they have you know okay mason marchment top line player now okay never mind he's not it's carter verhage and like anthony duclair has gotten a shot in there sam reinhardt's on the third line just chilling absolutely hilarious yeah oh my god that's that is the deepest team

that's such a ridiculously deep team look at that also joe thornton got a goal the other night uh which made me go oh look joe thornton how's his beard i think it was oh it's it's just as magnificent as it ever was he was a daily topic of conversation in toronto and yesterday was the first time i had heard his name in like six months um i think the best deadline of any team was the avalanche arturi leckanen josh manson andrew cogliano that was a good cogliano is a is a vacuum cleaner in the face off dot he's amazing isn't he he's a winger what yeah i'm pretty sure he's a winger man nowadays he's really fast wasn't he a center and hold on he might have been a center in his career am i an idiot

yes that's insane are you serious maybe I'm dumb no he's a center no he's not they don't even have him in the lineup he's not even Andrew Cogliano's not a center you're a center I'll center you

people gave me shit because Joe Sackick is not going to use LTIR so we don't get to make fun of the avalanche for the cap shenanigans you're right all we did was assume the avalanche were as shady as every other nhl team let me just call it uh i was wrong

about andrew cogliano i guess i looked up someone else's stats because i actually thought i looked it up and i had 56 57 58 in the last three years adam don't worry that qualifies you to be gm of the leafs in 2008 well that's great like but i mean we all know what andrew cogliano brings penalty kill leadership he's 37 or 35 or whatever he is leckanen's great good pickup from uh from montreal and low me and uh and uh rfa oh yeah they also say or they were saying yesterday i don't know if this is true i i don't know how i would how i could possibly know this but they're saying that he's one of the smarter players in the nhl coaches love working with him i don't know that's what they said that's one of those i think that's a uh as a member of the media i'm gonna say that's

a media thing is it yeah yeah yeah does he help your team win okay you know what i mean yeah oh Oh, man, he tells great stories, and he listens to podcasts. Does he help you win or not? Okay. And Josh Manson, who can play hockey and throw big hits. And big for them is Bowen Byram rejoined the team. Oh, that's pretty major. Yeah.

That is pretty major, man. This team's not fucking around. For a guy that doesn't like to make deadline moves, I thought it was interesting that Brian Burke in comedy brought in Ricard Raquel. I think that's no one's talking about the Penguins right now, except for maybe Penguins fans. They're going to be a tough out. watch out for the damn penguins again the only buyer to give up guys off their roster

no like zach astin reese and dominic simone yeah i think it was um so that i found to be very interesting zach astin reese has been there forever right even if he hasn't been it feels like it yeah doesn't it feel like it does i want to say the first mention of him was 2018 pittsburgh ages guys quickly but it's okay because they play better when they're old like it's just a really strange team that's a good point uh Zach Aston Reese had been in Pittsburgh for five years so I think it's pretty much forever hey at least I got something right um I so I think I thought I think Ricard Raquel is really good scoring depth for them and that's that's a really good move if he can stay healthy Rangers with a great deadline as well I thought

they had a really good one Nick Merkley which is a name we haven't heard in a while but Andrew Kopp tyler mott justin braun very solid uh good uh like locker room pickups uh cop and truba know each other from winnipeg and now there's they have a line in the rangers or three guys who all played for the same college team i think it's mott cop and there's another guy on the team i can't remember but and they can only have one syllable last names only but they uh i think the Rangers, remember we talked about purpose? The Rangers became more of what they want to be.

Antagonizing and hardworking. If the Senators had just called the Flyers, they could have gotten Justin Braun for what they paid for Travis Hamanick. They would have had to resign him. They don't like Justin Braun, they like Travis Hamanick.

They like Travis Hamanick specifically. That is their man. They want him on the team. I don't even care where he's going to play. With Justin Braun on the Canadian world junior team shut up uh boston bruins the big pickup obviously is hampus lindholm they always make a splash at the deadline always always always and then they sign him to an eight-year extension worth just north of six million bucks to me steep price but worth it and and to be honest with you i don't think the bruins like cj's been saying and he said it on our show at the beginning of the year they don't have this many years left like that many years left with this core bergeron's

deals up at the end of the year he could retire like he may he may be done it was uh they obviously really like this player because they're a team that they don't love spending money they really don't i mean because they got away with it for so many years yeah they got away with it for so many years but like they didn't want to pay tory crew yeah because i don't think they liked him enough to pay him the amount of money he wanted they like hampus lynn home enough to pay him the money that he wanted so yeah and i think fucking boston man no matter what they're always in it they always go out and do something i'm shocked they didn't get a center for them i think it's kind of a i don't know if it's a failure trade deadline day but if i'm grading them they're like

they're getting like a c you know d d plus other teams did better because because they needed a center because bergeron's out right now and down the middle it doesn't look great like they got coil up there it's playing the top but but have they given you enough jesse this year that you go out and blow like you have hampus lindholm for the rest of the year right which is great or and and next year but have they given you enough where you're like i need to go get that i mean i know um i know the centers are looking a little thin i agree yeah like they're gonna be a wild card team unless they pass the leafs which by the way they tied the leafs right they're uh they're playing really well of late but like i think for every year that the bruins are in it

like they're gonna make the playoffs this year they gotta go for it and if you needed depth on center you should have went out and bought that yes and they have 12 12 gamer this year jared studnicka do you have their their four centers yes i do read them studnicka eric holla charlie coyle and thomas no thing hey studnicka used to play for the oshawa generals he's shown some damage he did used to play and then he was traded to the niagara ice dogs like he wasn't as good bergeron will be back but like actually you need some center depth if i'm not mistaken stanica was the captain of the generals they traded him to the ice dogs the generals ended up playing the ice dogs in the playoffs and the generals won oh if i'm not mistaken that's rough

okay yeah that was a few years ago okay well i mean and you know obviously there's other teams that we could have talked about but there's not a whole lot of time and i know the cj show is also coming out. So here's the deal. And Oxygen CAC. And Oxygen CAC today, too. The one last thing I do want to talk about is sneakily Shea Weber's contract became available

and I'm wondering if you're the Toronto Maple Leafs going into the draft, is that not something you look at to go into LTIR space? Birdie told me that the Coyotes tried.

They tried to get Weber's contract? The league shot them down. No way. Are you serious? They didn't like the perception. Meanwhile, they were able to go out and get Brian Little from the Winnipeg Jets. No way. But I guess they figured because it was Winnipeg and not Montreal, the blowback wouldn't be as huge.

If it's Shea Weber, it's a giant story. If it's Brian Little, no one talks about it. We didn't talk about it at all show. If they went out and got Shea Weber, we would have opened with that. Right? No way. That's what I heard. I thought it would be a rich team that would pick him up.

Not a... No, they need to get to the floor. They don't have guys next year. Boy, I got to tell you, for everything that was made, and I know we got to go through that article that was written in The Athletic. Have you guys read it yet?

We're going to do it tomorrow. Catch up. Oh, the Coyotes thing. The latest Coyotes thing. Well, back-to-back podcast days. Let's go. Katie Strang, tomorrow we're going to go through this thing. Holy shit, man.

I could see why the league does not need more bad PR from the Coyotes and all the Coyotes want to give them is bad PR that's why I said Bill Armstrong signed Harry Sateri because it gives them at least a momentary W and when you say they shut it down it's not like they filed

the paperwork for the trade and they sent it to the league office and the league office is like no you can't do that it's like hey Gary I'm thinking about doing this what do you think if we got the Shea Weber and he's like you know what maybe be a hold off on that you know you don't do it right now yeah it's more of a conversation you know and i i 100 see that happening it's gonna not getting a thumbs up from the higher ups to

do this deal just telling you what i heard yeah damn steve that's the first place i've heard that well i mean i obviously i heard a lot over the last few days what happened to brendan minnell well yeah like i heard a lot and not all of it none of hands out i know that but like uh I didn't say cop to the Leafs. I said the Leafs looked at cop, which they did. And the Panthers looked at cop, which they did. I believe they did. The Leafs looked at moving Brennan Minnell.

They weren't able to do that. The Leafs have also just signed Curtis Douglas to a future two-year entry-level contract. Did they? Yeah. What does that mean, Steve? What does that mean? So let me look up something for you. So Curtis Douglas, um, not everyone I speak to is convinced he can skate and here's why you don't

give a shit. Um, the 22 year old, uh, Oakville, Ontario native is six foot eight, 249 pounds plays center. Um, actually does have an offensive touch 27 points in 49 games this year. Um, but, go and watch uh there's a fight he had recently in the ahl he punches a man's helmet clean off so this is a future two-year deal so he won't be eligible to play in the playoffs this right so he's he's here to deliver nucky sandwiches damn it well and also can he score they have him yeah he can't they get him for the future um so again though that keeps open those two roster slots for nick abrazazi and matthew nice and also kind of underrated and all this and it's a shame because all the fanfare just died um josh hosang oh yeah what happened what happened is something

that we thought would be great for him ended up being trash uh going and playing for the canadian olympic team so he goes he gets injured shortly before playing for the olympic team but he's healthy enough and goes anyway um the team doesn't do very well and they barely use them and then he comes back and you know all of a sudden you're coming back all the way from china and i'm sure there were you know different i'm sure he had to wait a long time and missed a bunch of games and it killed his momentum damn i still think he's a good player who they should look at signing to an nhl deal i mean they got guys in the echl who are on nhl deals but um yeah playing for the canadian olympic team killed it for him he also never turned down an opportunity

to win a gold medal that nobody cares about of course not you know that no one cares about you always go and try and win that what kind of idiot dude if they won people would have cared yeah if they won people would have cared but they i kid i kid it's just why do you mean that no um yeah like i i you can't blame him for making that decision oh no it's the freaking olympics he did the right thing it just everything worked out the opposite way of how we want it to work you want to go there and he's playing on literally the world stage and everybody looks at him he's like oh josh hosang needs a contract and it never happened also good decision bad result uh stall exact same situation thought he'd go over there get a contract play in the olympics and come back there's

nhl contract sitting waiting for him never happened cj hammered that cj was huge on that because that was gonna be the storyline coming out of the olympics uh all these guys are gonna to get deals and none of them should assign him to boston boston should assign him uh that's kind of a good fit i guess they decided well can they i guess they could but he wouldn't have to be waived i don't know good question i don't think so but maybe he needs to get in would have been i'm pretty sure he needs to get on a regular season game i know to get into the playoffs i don't know i think now he he's not on a roster um like if he signed now he wouldn't be able to play in the playoffs. He would have had to have been on a roster.

I think it's prior to the date in February. Oh, wow. What if the Leafs liked Josh Hosea too much to sign him? Yeah, because they knew they were going to lose. They knew they'd lose him as a meme. So have fun with that there Twitterverse.

Okay, it's a meme. There we have it. Remember that the next time a guy gets claimed, which will be the next time a guy gets waived tomorrow. There's lots to go through, including prepping for the Leafs and Giordano's first game in Toronto tomorrow night. against New Jersey. I actually will be at that game. We'll go over tomorrow

the black jerseys that the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Justin Bieber collaboration jerseys that they're going to do for tomorrow as well, which are reversible. Have you seen them? Jesse's had them up, but I don't have my glasses on, so I can't see shit. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

I got it for you, Steven. He's got it. I got it. That's Jersey. I think it looks cool. Anyway, we'll talk about that tomorrow. We'll talk about the Coyotes article with Katie Strang. You should read it. It's crazy. Oh my god. And we will see you tomorrow. Don't forget. Brand new.

Oh, you're just ending the show? Oh, do you want a press conference? I thought we were done. Are we doing the press conference? I mean, we got a show tomorrow. Yeah. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. So I have to do one last thing before we go here. I have to announce our winner of S2PN

Fan Fridays as we do the following Friday every week. This week's winner nick raunich congratulations hey nick congratulations nick shared a photo of him listening to the show from the slopes of whistler that looks terrible uh he's he's sitting on uh what is the gondola what is it called the lift the lift chairlift chairlift nick sitting on with his uh with his friend there idiot listening from the slopes of whistler baby stpn fan fridays every friday hey good for you man hey speaking of uh idiot and uh skiing chairlifts i've been

skiing i think once ever in grade eight oh and i went up uh the chairlift with a friend and uh was very confused that there wasn't anything holding us in and it's because i didn't know the bar was above my head i've never been skiing so i went up the entire way just gripping the in the chair with all my strength i was only like 13 years old well nobody tells you how would you know no and i got to the top and the guy was just like you could have died anyway enjoy yeah uh i was like yeah thanks i'm a child but okay jesse you ski i have when i was in like high school okay not anymore yeah i used to take lessons oh i remember uh i think i told you guys this but i remember uh i hadn't skied in like 10 years and i was dating a girl in calgary and we

went to lake louise and she's like here follow me down this hill and it was a double black time and i was like oh shit oh and uh had to do moguls not fun i that same skiing trip i hit a fence oh cool um because there were a bunch of girls from my class who walked right in front of my path and didn't know i was coming and i knew enough to steer out of the way but not enough to stop so i hit one of those like orange plastic fences and i was wearing a giant maple leafs jacket like one of those old 90s with the huge leaf on the back and i was just lying there like fuck and some guy goes maple leaves you okay i go yeah and years later i have back problems don't know why jesse go ahead do we have any

questions no we're done oh we don't have the show okay all right so cj show if it's not posted right now. It will be posted very soon. You should listen to that one. Obviously, Noxy and Cax has a show today as well. There's all the content today. Steve Dangle Podcast will be back tomorrow and Friday and we can't wait.

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