The Steve Dangle Podcast - Devils Fan Adam Wylde | November 4, 2022

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

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I don't want to talk about the Leafs No? I don't want to talk about Ryan Reynolds buying the Sens I don't even want to talk about

Eric Carlson breaking a record although that is it's amazing what's going on It's amazing considering that team is close to dead last

Okay He's very good I want to talk about the mother effin New Jersey Devils Baby Yeah? best goddamn team in the league.

Best team in the league. I've been on this forever. I've been saying, don't you dare sleep on the New Jersey Devils. Did you actually see the game with Edmonton? I have been saying forever,

Devils fans, that I am the biggest fan of the Devils outside of New Jersey. And I want you to know, by the way, that game last night with Edmonton was hilarious.

Two goals in 17 seconds to win it. I've never heard of that. Blackhawks fans, have you ever heard of that? Of course you haven't. that's incredible that's incredible that they did that it's unreal it's amazing that they did it and you know what's hilarious is there was 80 registered shots in that game wow that is unreal

and and uh edmonton's got a goal technique problem sometimes sometimes who was in that was it stewart skinner oh it was skinner right yeah yeah yeah yeah but i mean you're not i mean the devil's pulled banachek right and then uh i think no no blackwood blackwood yeah blackwood got hurt bandit checks in uh but honestly like talk about that that second goal especially off the face off absolutely devastating you can like connor mcdavid has 24 points he's got 12 goals and 12 assists leon drysaddle has 22 points those guys have played 11 games it's stupid and the oilers the fact that the oilers have even lost one game with those guys scoring like that that's that is it's it's unbelievable and you gotta you gotta think like if you're connor mcdavid

he scored again playing lights out amazing they're up most of the game and that happens uh at the end of the game you must be going in and breaking not just your stick but everybody else's stick too oh dude that's there's a i think a reason he looks so miserable like whenever the oilers lose i mean he does have that resting misery face going on he sure does and like listen we were born in 88 i don't really remember much before 93 so this is that's the best player in in my living memory and the devils beat him and you've always said to not sleep on them jesse delete every show we've ever done yeah yeah i've said okay listen the devils i i actually predicted in our pre-season show that the devils would start in their first 11 games eight three

and oh that's what i said and it's crazy that they have the rightest man on earth continues to be the rightest wow that's me and you know what i wish devils fans had more faith in the i wish devils fans had as much faith in the devils as you do i know because they were chanting for lindy ruff to be fired at the home opener and they booed him and then where's adam wilde taking up all kinds of time all kinds of time on our show just ranting and raving about jack hughes and friggin jesper rott nico he sure my favorite player andre palat andre palat all of them i love andre palat i really do all of them yeah i'm telling you enough with it out of doggie hamilton oh the leafs aren't getting damon severson adam enough enough but there you are that's right i could have been

talking about the least but i was talking about the devils and their greatness and it'll be hilarious actually when lindy ruff wins the jack adams this year for surprise team of the year because that's what it always goes to the coach who most surprises it's not the best coach it's always like hey we didn't expect that team to be good and they were well must be the coach let's give him the jack adams if if they boo him and he gets the jack adams that's going to be a great story i actually i am i am hoping for that oh absolutely i'm fine with my takes going cold if lindy ruff wins the jack adams this year so you're a fan of chaos i love you know what and they look good the thing about them is that they work really hard and that they're very fast and

that is a problem for teams like edmonton that have sluggish defense and you know what makes new jersey says uh success so far even more uh interesting jesse blake what's that the thing you just had up on your screen a plot yeah oh yeah plot's been out since uh late october and it looks like he's going to be just done for a long time you made that sound like it was a very long time ago that was last week october yeah last october it's last october he's been out he's been out since last october all right so uh andre palat's out he had hip surgery and the timetable for his return is unknown it is indefinite absence for andre palat and speaking on the injury front uh you mentioned blackwood gets injured game versus edmonton last night

that leaves Vitek Vanacek as their starting goaltender and the man coming back off of our hour who practiced with the team this morning Corey Schneider he's with the Isles he's dead cat money Jonathan Bernier

who's been working his way back from injury it will become their second goaltender I'm fascinated to see how that goes if he starts versus Calgary on Saturday if something like that happens or if they go with Vanacek um but that's going to be an interesting tandem with blackwood i uh very impressed with the devils i would not want to be the goalie facing calgary after that shit sandwich they laid last

night oh man even before the game sutter i think said that huberto has got to speed up his game he's like not putting up points no and like when you would sutter saying that you're like man that sutter's the king of slow hockey did he say that in his muscle suit almost bursting out of that calgary flames t-shirt you all didn't laugh hard enough at that bit i thought it was very funny i think i think uh i think he must go to the flame store in the saddle dome and go oh i'll take a small like yeah i'll take uh i'll take uh whatever fits strong men that's that's what he says and they just give him a shirt man the tightest shirts in calgary sutter or no just give me a shirt um the other so before you move off the oilers uh

no i'm going back to them you're going back yeah yeah go back go take me small little nerdy thing About the Oilers Evander Kane had a hat trick two games ago His hat trick that he had two games ago He used a completely different stick He had never used this stick all season long He switched sticks, he has a hat trick Next game, he goes back to his old stick

Did he score? I don't think he scored last night Well, what a dummy Right? Clearly your new stick worked You scored a hat trick I think it was a true stick he used for the first time all season Then he went back to his Easton stick

and it's like why you scored a hat trick sir i think your new stick works that's got to be a confidence thing but you scored the hat trick with the new stick yeah i i don't know i don't know i love to talk to a true stick nerd not like the brand like you're talking a true stick nerd or like an equipment nerd and just be like does any of it make a difference in their minds like 100 percent like david pasnack uses like one strand of masking tape and like he's just like all right now i score 40 and i don't know i don't know if it really makes that much of a difference uh dry sidle stick nerdy stuff dry sidle likes to play on his uh backhand when he's playing the game dry sidle plays with a goalie stick so his stick is super flat and ugly and nobody should ever

play hockey the way he plays it but that's how he plays like listen the way he has a stick worked for people for like 60 years and then the curve sticks yeah when the sticks were made of trees that are out in the front yard boom boom jeffrey on used to slap slap it past that's literally that's what he uses it's so big and flat and wide it's like a paddleboard it's stupid anyway it's like a kayak paddle did you see his by the way you see his interview about on his birthday they're like hey it's your birthday he's like yeah and the reporter doesn't know what to say it's very funny very funny uh no but now i want to see it more than i want to um a so i listen uh devil's fans got on me obviously after the last show devil's insider i think on twitter why would

they do that i didn't even see this is the thing is i don't never even provoke them i do still think it's 11 games in but if jesper bratt is keeping up his 17 points and 11 games pays it's gonna be crazy yeah imagine the price they'll get when they trade them at the deadline yeah i don't understand devil's fans you didn't even provoke them all the time always constantly you know what you never even so there's certain fan bases where you can kind to go in on them and they're totally with you on the joke and then there's certain bases where you cannot um uh new jersey uh uh you know what a lot actually a lot of devils fans were not were not mean at all about it but they i think i think that they've been bad for a bit and you

know the islanders and rangers have both been very good in the last five years on if you were to say on average both both teams have taken steps forward right islanders a little less lately rangers a little more lately um but you know new jersey's sort of like the the third kid like hey i'm here too i won cups and uh um and and you know and like one team you could always make fun of and this has been since the beginning of time and and the fans are always really cool about it is the chicago blackhawks now it that was a lot more fun before all that crazy shit came out but i remember i used to give like i used to be like ah cory crawford's not a good goal like just to just to bug blackhawks fans are like adam come on we love cory

and that was it oh yeah well all right yeah exactly yeah i don't think uh it's it's just i think right now um devils fans want you to believe as much as they believe and you know what man what a game last night i'm still i'm still tempted to say it's early but um it doesn't mean that they're not a great team encouraging start encouraging start absolutely and i thought you deserved your shout out so here it is i'll take their start what's that i'll take oh god can i have one of those yeah be super delicious i would love that now we we've got some things obviously to get to on the show we're gonna i know you guys talked about eric carlson last show but we got to talk a little bit more about it because things yeah because he scored again

uh we're going to talk about the least we're going to talk about some other things but first let's get into you can bet that sports interaction canada's sports book presents you can bet that with david bastall must be 19 plus please play responsibly ontario only it isn't just sports interaction it's sports interaction it's weather interaction too what yeah that's right dave can you explain this pinata that you have uh on the website right now yeah absolutely so of course pinatas are are some of our specialties and what we're really known for is kind of being number one in that industry side of things so uh this is kind of cool as you mentioned random date between december 1st and february 28th you hit the pinata they give you a date if it's the coldest

day in toronto during those times which most likely would be those times because it's not getting a colder in march or november right and you went at 75 to 1 so a little bit of a lottery ticket there is a there is a range of months but is that something that tempts you at all there Jess? Yeah, I'm trying to think about what date I'd have my fingers crossed that the pinata would spit out for me. Early February. What's the range again?

What's the range again? February, sorry, December 1st, February 28th. This is the dumbest thing ever and I'm so intrigued. Honestly, it's right up before Valentine's Day where you're like, I hate everything right now.

It's cold. I think you're a little too late. Really? I want mid to late january is what i'm hoping for okay okay january 28th saturday january 28th is my only saturday off um it will be that day okay we'll see about that we'll see about that 75 to 1 so you throw 10 75 to 1 oh yeah not bad eh one dollar gets you 75 bucks if you want to just throw the loony at it or if you want to add to it it's if you're right you can take a pretty sweet vacation on money like that oh yeah so what else do we have today dave you know what only two games yeah yeah only two games in the nhl so it's a quiet night of course saturday's jam-packed we

have afternoon hockey which is fantastic with the jets and the hawks a nice uh a nice uh first game between the bruins and the maple leafs at seven o'clock which is always good and i don't have to tell you guys that division rivals and so forth so uh i'm looking forward to the saturday schedule what about you guys nfl on sunday continues jess i know you're going to be all over that as well what do you have the over under for that bruins leafs game bruins leafs game uh tentatively it looks like it's a seven right now but six and a half at some books i don't have an established like on goals right yeah but is that going to be the tightest game ever are we getting a complete shootout on saturday man the way the bruins have played bruins have played very well i mean they

had an 11 goal win the other day over on the goals over on the steve are you taking me over oh boy you know what i think so i think so because like i feel like simson has been too solid and omark literally has not lost something's gotta get right that's what i'm thinking we gotta we got a really good shootout and you gotta take the over there i love that okay and lastly before we go dave we must show off your jersey um this is rare where do you see a slovenia jersey ever never never now what what's it from is it just their national team jersey it's a national team jersey from the 2014 olympics which i'm sure the the three of you remember they beat austria to advance to the quarterfinal lost to sweden it was probably their best ever result at the

international level and yeah i'm i'm slovenian my dad's slovenian born there actually and uh Doesn't speak a lick of the language anymore because he moved over to Canada when he was 10. But that's basically my father's side of the family. And a couple of friends that work at Nike were like, hey, that's the one person in Toronto that is Slovenian. And I was lucky enough to get this jersey that I wear once every 10 years. Amazing. Amazing. I have a Great Britain jersey, a Great Britain hockey jersey.

And I actually paid for it because I just thought they looked cool. And that's where my family's from. So that's why I have it. pretty good hockey program too they're building in the uk they are they are what's the most obscure jersey you guys own oh boy um i do have a brayhead clan jersey i was sent from the from the uk um i still want a melbourne mustangs one i don't have that dave would appreciate this my favorite jersey i own is my st louis rams stab sam bradford jersey future future of the organization sam bradford first overall pick sam bradford yeah i used to

have a pecorine dynamo minsk jersey from the khl i don't know if i still have it i might have sold that i have a cksa uh or cska uh tarasenko yeah that's right but yeah anyway just uh you know what dave's i know he's got you don't know this about dave but he's got 40 or 50 of those so So keep breaking them out, man. Every Friday. Only on Friday. Only on Friday. So anyway, have a nice weekend, guys.

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our new double espresso with ginseng extract whatever lies ahead don't change your morning let your morning change you discover coffee plus on espresso.com hey so i forgot to mention when we were talking about because i got cut up in the in the devil stuff but the oilers also honored ryan smith yesterday gave him his hall of fame jacket that sort of thing which you could only see by the way on oilers plus why isn't the edmonton media screaming absolute bloody murder about that is oilers plus is about the same cost as netflix used to be about two years ago um and so it's about 9.99 a month uh if i got my numbers right and what do you get well you get practice cover audio you get yeah well so this is the thing the ryan smith thing apparently you

couldn't hear the speeches properly because the audio was bad yeah and then they have they have a pre-game show they have a post-game show they have practice um they even have they have something called premium oil which you know costs more than normal oil yeah um they've got you know oilers games in 20 and some documentaries and actually some kind of cool stuff for kids like learning the basics of hockey highlight packs no they offer doing no oilers games in 20 yeah oh my god well you can get that for free on or you can get that if you anywhere sports net you the nhl youtube channel it's a it's sort of crazy that like there were there were oiler fans last night who were like i can't believe this audio man the oilers

plus people really need to get it together i'm like or it's not great like i understand what they're doing the leafs did it with leafs tv but the leafs tv actually had old games you can go it was a channel yeah like well no but that's what this is supposed to be like a streaming service like a netflix for the oilers right but i'm just but like you should be able to watch like an old game or something maybe you can with leafs tv you could watch like games from the 70s if you wanted right they would be always be on 80s 90s um i don't think you can man i'm looking at the page here and i'm not seeing that um i am more likely to pay 8.99 for twitter than i am for this oilers thing and i got news for you i am not fucking paying for twitter also um

oil change uh remember that series that the oilers did that they previously offered for free yeah yeah now you can watch it on oilers plus oh they took it away that's cool always great when you uh friggin yeah take away something you previously offered so anyway it definitely doesn't have games yeah no that's what i mean so not all the oilers in 20 but they don't have full games i just say the obvious what an unbelievable ripoff please don't buy this well i mean if you're a hardcore oilers fan i get it because listen i'm a hardcore lease fan and i've paid for things that i'm not uh maybe proud of uh i hope they improve the offerings well not like that um i'm hoping they improve the offerings here and i'm hoping they improve the sound it's a bummer because ryan

smith is so well loved and to be honest with you and somebody somebody tweeted this i apologize for for not getting your name right but they're like listen of all people do you think ryan smith would be the type of oiler who would want his goodbye or his retirement ceremony behind a paywall. It's just brutal. And they're right.

They're right. It's good. It's right. Yeah, we got this idea. It's going to be a subscription fee per month and it's going to be fans there. Hardcore fans.

And it's only going to be fans. And I think we're going to call it Only Fans. That's essentially what the Oilers have set up is Oilers Only Fans. what a friggin joke well but you know what other teams are doing it in like the epl and and that sort of thing i can see it working but you have to have like great content like we call it sticky

content content that it's like i will pay for this because it's so good i'll pay for anything if it's good absolutely and i'm not saying that the drop isn't good with uh ken holland i'm not saying it's just it's just it doesn't seem you don't like the drop with ken holland listen i haven't seen it i don't have oilers plus so i can't see it so i can't review it it just seems like i bet he says the team's working hard a couple of times imagine paying to listen to ken holland speak go outside jesus lord well what it really becomes is like you're watching you know like listen i i get the fitness stuff i get it but it's just it's i want to watch uh the premium oil which is includes a nine minute video of two days in toronto oh rent free get behind get behind

the scenes of the zach hyman charity golf classic an off-season workout with conor mcdavid david and more and both not in edmonton two days in toronto yeah you want to put charity stuff behind a paywall for sure um you don't want to get the word it would be great if this stuff was just on their youtube channel there's a one i think in these situations you gain so much more fans if you just put it out on youtube as opposed to trying to charge them and then get them to watch the content make them get give out the content and then get the fans oilers fans are bananas they're hardcore yeah they'll watch anything they're like leaf fans they're like they're like yankee fans they understand well semi outside and if the leafs building was built that way

leafs fans would do absolutely they're one of the best fan bases in the league i just you're right jesse and here's the thing you want to make some money if you're the oilers you have so much of this stuff you can put it on youtube and just run your little ad rules and make money this is a joke i'd love to know how many subscribers they have yeah well that's not publicly available right so it's a bummer um uh now i still don't want to talk about the least we do have to talk about the least but i do want to i got to mention eric carlson rising from the freaking dead wow 10 goals in 13 games that's an nhl record for a defenseman he is second tied for second in the league in goals only behind connor mcdavid yeah i think tied with beau horvat who if the canucks

were doing better might have a little bit more publicity but yeah but horvath's had a good year he's uh it's not a record he's third on the record list it's it's a post-world war ii record so the record that's that's modern era record no king clancy counts that's a guy that's a guy i know so here here are the two players he's a leaf so it counts all right let me let me read it oh Let me just fucking read it. Yeah, let him read it. Fewest team games needed for a defenseman to hit the 10-goal mark in a season. Harry Cameron did it in 1917-18.

The first season the Leafs were a team. King Clancy did it in nine games in 1929-1930. Guy who a trophy is named after. And then Eric Carlson, 13 games, 20, 22, 23. Oh, but you're going to ignore the other guys on the list? Jesse, you're not a big Georges Boucher guy? 1920-21 George Boucher did it

Cameron again in 1918-19 Burt Corbo Corbo 1922-23 And then Phil Housley 1987-1988 The house dog King Clancy's a guy, don't disrespect him

Yeah, from the 30s So? It's a little different when there's like Six and a half teams And they're all teetering on bankruptcy Are you gonna take away all the Leafs cups? No. Some people would. Those people are idiots.

Don't take away King Clancy's record here, people. Don't listen to that shit. But yeah. Eric Carlson is third. Okay, fine. He's third. It's still pretty good. Thank you.

It's pretty good. So respect on Eric Carlson's name. Unbelievable. Considering that, I'm not kidding, the San Jose Sharks, if the Ducks had played the same amount of games as the Sharks, which they have not, they would probably have the same amount of points. I think they're a point behind the Ducks, right? Or sorry, San Jose's a point ahead of the Ducks.

the the ducks have played two less games did you see the silverberg own goal oh dude dude it's it's tough goings man it is except against the leafs i i for both of them honestly it's it's shocking eric carlson is scoring the only list here's i did want to ask this about eric carlson and maybe you guys talked about this on the last show is this an opportunity a window for san jose to potentially move up from under that deal yeah it's been discussed because he doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild but what choice do they have we're certainly not the only team to discover podcast sorry to discuss it oh boy how do you even begin to make that happen though i mean you're taking big salary back he's 11.5 and like i don't give a shit if he has 15

goals in 13 games that amount of money you're just you're not getting anything back um you might get like a couple little bits and pieces here but you're not getting like back in the day when you know pre-cap or whatever or back in the day eric carlson i should say you're getting blue chippers you're getting firsts you're getting all this at this point you're lucky to get rid of the contract but i have an idea you always say though the most valuable thing on an nhl roster especially now is cap space even more valuable than a first round pick i if i were the sharks i think i would call around and if people want me to sweeten the pot i think what i do is i simply keep the best offensive defenseman in the game and hope he continues to be that as you're we're

not talking about rasmus dolly and we're talking about eric carlson oh fair enough eric carlson uh second best grav pointed this out great tweet from freaking grav is uh eric carlson has more goals than kill makar has points believe me i know i got makar in my first round of fantasy and i'm very sad oh i'm very sad somebody actually dm'd me the other day they're like hey can you rate my fantasy team i'm like i am not the person jesse is the man neither am i i am not steve is not are all your picks picks that i wouldn't make you're doing great what a fucking what's your record so far oh and three oh yeah oh fuck i i was so yeah and you know what screwed it up so i was winning and i was gonna win last week yeah yeah so the guy i was playing

hail mary used uh so you get four pickups per week he hail married got two guys can you guess who they were sunday is the last so it would have been ducks players john gibson and trevor zegras why did why was zegras available in your league because there's only eight teams oh okay yeah that's weird no like zegras was uh like a six round pick in our league you know like he went for like 20 bucks in the auction 20 bucks yeah he's been great i oh you got oh because you do it for money yeah no we yeah we do an auction draft oh okay we do it for um memes and lols yeah and calling each other fucking that's uh that's a brutal that's a brutal way to lose and you're oh and three that's sad honestly i gotta find we gotta we gotta do uh here's why

steve's team sucks segment at some point well it doesn't last that that honor belongs to ian tolick who made maybe the stupidest fucking fantasy trade i think i've ever seen and i gotta find it listen i bet the numbers were amazing the possession vibes are outstanding uh believe i love you and you know i'm just i'm just trying to i know he's not gonna hear this and i made him a trade offer um oh okay okay uh oh dear oh dear so yeah read it but it's so bad no no so it's listed as trading away i was like wait a sec he acquired these players he received Brian Rust

Austin Matthews Jonathan Huberdeau and Rasmus Dahlien how does he possibly lose this trade you might ask that's incredible he receives you mean he gives up

Elias Pettersson Adam Fox Sebastian Ajo Connor McDavid oh are you playing fantasy hockey did you trade connor mcdavid you're a fucking idiot sorry he should have just ended at connor mcdavid like he should have just said connor mcdavid for all connor mcdavid oh my god and he threw in adam talks and oh and petterson petterson five points last night five point night yeah oh yeah that's the second he made that trade we were

all like why didn't you offer us that yeah a guy in my league austin matthews a guy in my league traded away uh conor mcdavid too and it was for uh marner and and jake ottinger and i tried i asked the commissioner to if they could take that trade the deal because it seemed like it was collusion and unfair i was like why would anybody ever do that but then the dude who's trading was like no i was fine with the trade i was like okay this is the way you want to tank your team i don't know so oh yeah is that horrific i have a i have a friend that goes on in fantasy i have a friend who who's in fantasy football and by week nine or week 10 which is right around this part of the season he he he loves football played canadian you know cis and that sort of thing

but he sucks at fantasy and so what he what he does is he he he gets mad right when he doesn't make the playoffs because there's fantasy playoffs in football and so every league he's in and he gets kicked out for doing this he just releases all of his best players when he's don't do that just messes the whole league you're ruining you're ruining the league you're a sore loser suck an egg i also kind of think it's funny i uh i just texted the dangle navy group chat ian i talked about the mcdavid trade on the pod gonna be a rough night he gave up so much oh man horrible trade he he there must be a reason he must have done he must know ian's extremely intelligent he must have no no what he must be expecting something

like on average these players have more points than these three players these four will give me more than those three did right he bought high on dalin like oh yeah i bet he'll score a goal a game for the rest of the season like so and i should say he did this when he had five goals in five games i'm pretty sure oh he bought at the height of the market it's a legendarily miserable trade well we'll see how it works out so fucking at least it wasn't for marner and ottinger yeah that's that's mcdavid for marner and ottinger yeah it was just that i was like you must be a hardcore lease fan you really want marner you live close to this person uh i don't think so i was gonna say slap him oh my goodness drive by slap uh and then andre got

hurt oh no leafs win wednesday night against philadelphia listen are the flyers bad yes yo but the flyers try and and i thought it was interesting going into the game towards making those comments about sheldon keefe's like listen you guys he's a good coach you don't know what he's done for that team i wanted to know what you guys thought of those comments is that towards just protecting another coach and you know who's a little bit under fire torts knows what that's like or is that somebody who is like yo sheldon keeps a really good coach this is not this is not a sheldon keith problem i think he uh no keeps a bad coach so torts wants to praise him to keep him in the league you see so we can beat him he already beat him in the playoffs so i'm gonna beat

him again no i i think that's him sticking up for a colleague who i'll say it for the 90 000th time has the highest winning percentage in leafs history um i mean i think torts sees what i see what we all see it's the players and um torts favorite thing to do when he's not a part of the media is trash it so he used it as a reason to trash the media like it's not fans calling for keith to be fired also so i don't know i listen quotes from torts the best when quotes from torts when he's paid to make them terrible the worst quotes from torts when he's just a head coach top five oh yeah top three yeah top one yeah and listen they they have a ton of people out injured um van reams diet cam atkinson uh obviously ryan ellis there was a few other guys

that are not there so there's some experience on that roster that's missing but the flyers have been a mess for a while torts seems to at least have straightened out the culture which he said was a problem they try and they try they really try and he called out travis connect me i think it was last week and travis connect me played travis connect me's best hockey i've ever seen him play like that he was awesome he was feisty maybe a bit too much so he took a he took it took some dumb penalties but yeah and we'll get to the the incident at the end of the game because obviously there's a lot to go through there but can i just say i called it exactly how that game was gonna go they showed they showed up for it remember i said yeah you did set it again on

wednesday and they showed up for it they did it was very it was very obvious the way that game was gonna go is the flyers coming off of a back-to-back and a goalie who i had to double check coming into the game it was seven career games for hasn't won any of them he's oh he's over eight now on uh felix sandstrom it was just it was obviously he's gonna win and it we gotta congratulate them for getting it done, but it wasn't a huge victory. I will say this. I wanted to say this in the video, and I

forgot. I tweeted about it before the game, and I forgot. That should have been Ivan Fedotov's fucking game. Ivan Fedotov should have been in that game, but... Where's Ivan Fedotov, Steve? Uh, he's stationed in the fucking Arctic, because he was essentially abducted by Putin's regime.

So, that's fucked, and I hope he gets to play in the NHL one day. Could have been a backup goalie for the Flyers right now. he was he was supposed to be i'm pretty sure um it's aggressively changing gears um carter hart must be the best goalie in the league because the flyers in their own end are shocking yeah shocking they've been trying really hard and playing well the first couple games they try they've had a good good stretch of three weeks it's just the the skill is gonna it's not there so the try hardness of your team is gonna just tail off and match your skill eventually and

everything's going to kind of eat it even out and they're probably definitely not going to be a playoff team can we give some flowers to the most underrated player in the league sure john tavar well i mean i was going to get to that uh um uh oh sorry it's sydney crosby but john tavar is out there um obviously uh it was nice to see the leaf sort of win in convincing style against the team they should be you know i saw the royal half kind of making fun of leaf fans and I get it. They're like, oh, the Leafs beat the Flyers. Everything's cool. And from an outsider's perspective, I get it. It's not that they won. It's how they won. Usually when the Leafs beat a team that they should beat, that's not going to go to the playoffs, it's, well,

they just barely squeaked out a win and they showed up in the last five minutes and scored three goals and it happened. This one seemed like, you know, they come into the third period, they're up 3-1. That's where it should be. They let a goal pass that maybe you wish you could have had back but whatever um they win 5-2 and then Tavares with that absolute in that second goal is a highlight of the year Travis Sanheim what did he ever do to you like oh what and I looked at Sanheim's moves on that like there's nothing he did wrong it's just Tavares he had you no just Tavares chose to very calmly and politely set him on fire set him on actual fire and he got stopped on the first one and then just i mean sandstrom amazing that he even got

across to it and he just ripped the fucking thing poor sandstrom on the fifth one on the tomorrow yeah yeah no skate yeah like that sucks that totally sucks i just it's just it was nice to see you know jesse you're right the leafs got up for it but they got up for a team that you know i think the t this team has to realize that they have to get up for bad teams too and the flyers are a bad team they got up for them and look at that they won as they should have i have to say sam sonoff's been a revelation man that guy's first i'm bringing the smile you didn't have a good game on i don't think first the flyers but i actually you know what man he made some saves where uh like that crossed the ice unbelievable save it was the second or third period yeah gets

the glove out i mean he's at very least giving you what jack campbell gave you which is a relatively solid game including a goal that you wish he had yeah and he was relatively solid and then you watch the goals he allowed and you're like oh and i know it's seven games in he's got a 920 save percentage that'll do if he if he keeps it at a 910 all year it'll be a full 15 points higher than the leafs had most of last year and that's great and and you know for the for a team that when he's not in net flat out doesn't win uh he's been oh they haven't yet yeah i think he's won every single game it was it I don't know to get him for nothing I don't know what was going on in Washington you know maybe just a bad mix or a bad year or down on confidence or COVID or

whatever else you want to call it whatever it is that he's got back it I'm so glad he got it because imagine where they'd be without him imagine if Washington had simply qualified him I don't know what the qualifying number probably too high but like they must be some kind of because it's an illogical decision like they must have really really decided this kid doesn't have it because he was to be fair to them he was super bad he wasn't very good but like you let go of him right when he's supposed to be coming into his prime like right when a lot of goalies make their nhl debuts 25 this guy yeah shelgren's older yeah older yeah no i'm uh thank you washington thank you uh uh justin hall and alex kirk but we got to talk about though listen why were they

traded no but neither of these guys looks comfortable this year i agree can i just say um booing one of your own players is while your team is winning is a bit munch leafs nation man the play you're talking about justin hall yeah and like look he fell down twice on the same shift like what do you think you're helping i don't know i think listen there's a time and a place i generally don't have a problem with booing but like the reason you're booing is you're frustrated with the team and you're frustrated with the team because they're not winning games they were winning that game i think the boos are maybe less about justin himself and more about hey stop using this guy in these positions it's more i think it's more a shot

at the leafs well who are they gonna use someone else who i don't know someone else find someone man like they're your job nobody plays the the positions that justin hall does yeah you're gonna have a right side of brody met a crawl right you know that's uh and kills penalties you know he's useful he you wish he was more skilled he's i think it's in his head he doesn't have any evidence he's useful except for the games where he very isn't very isn't there doesn't really seem to be a middle ground there with him you never go that was an all right game but but this has been this has been all season though this has been every game well the whole the whole time this year honestly we're more than 10 through the season already justin hall has not been good

i sang his praises i sang them from the rooftop when he scored the winner against i don't remember game two game two yeah game two of the season game two of the season right it was him and muzzin who had good games yeah why is he up there yeah i had an lfr called hall of fama because dude he played like a hall of famer and i talked about how he came to earn an nhl contract and this is how he played and oh kapoof he is uh alex not there man alex kerfoot's an interesting one you keep saying jack of all trades i'm not into it i'm just not into it man there have been times where he's been useful yeah listen man like they're all some of the best hockey players in the world they're all top thousand yeah yeah you know what i mean okay all players are gonna have useful

moments but like listen versatility is something that this leafs lineup has needed oh they're screwing with it again tonight eh what are they jesse's got the lineup up yeah it's a lineup now looking at the lineup that david alter posted this is from practice this morning i'll go through the defense first because that's where we're talking uh that's what we're talking about brody hall riley lilligran giordano sandy is uh lilligran's is he eligible now he's not off ltir yet but he will be what day is 20 24 days 21 days i don't know i assume you know uh well it's friday and they play tomorrow so i think tomorrow morning he'll be off ltir unless he is already okay awesome so yeah lilligren's back in there riley lilligren geodano sandy

and then the forward group is bunting matthews marner kerfoot tavarez nylander engvall yonkrok simmons interesting aston reese comp malgan aston reese uh aston reese comp malgan is the third line yeah they never list it that way um but it is they play more minutes and they are out there in third line situations yeah engvall yarn croak yeah man um a little snippet from the cj show uh that the leafs are supposedly uh putting obe kubel's name out there not in this lineup yeah he's not in the lineup him and mette are the extras that's that's a special like and i think it's part of the reason guys sign here um listen we like you we want you to play for us um and if it doesn't work out we'll find a spot for you like nick

ritchie like nick ritchie and he probably resents that i doubt he resents the paycheck um and he gets to play and get his cookies in arizona and and he's been playing great there yeah like the the leafs used to have hostages man they used to have hostages like we were upstairs we were talking about like peter holland and josh levo and justin paul is somehow still here i was waiting for the hashtag frank garato and uh dubas is the opposite of that maybe too much so because like you can well i think the way they've run their roster is like you can't carry anyone who was the man they sent out to vancouver last year travis dermot travis dermot like i thought that was unnecessary i thought you could have held on to dermot for a little bit longer use

him right now if there was an injury like why would you just send him off for it because they like justin all better conditional seventh or whatever no they got a third a third was it actually a third i think so yeah hold on to him for a little it's fine useful hockey player i think i think at that point though i think uh the agent from what i understand anyway i could be wrong on this the the the agent the player and toronto sat down and we're kind of like okay this is this isn't going anywhere so you know maybe it changes here but you also don't have to do it because we've seen it with the guys we just listed that you can be stubborn

and not try and have the good relationship with the agent and just do what's best for the hockey team. You can, you run the risk of destroying a player's confidence with that. And it was clear there wasn't trust between him and Keefe. To me, the one that got away is Barabanov because... Well, he never played.

He never played, but they gave him a brief audition on the Tavares line, remember? And I remember, like, he didn't put up points, but I was like, he looks good, though. like his raw talent is there and we never really got to see it on the fourth line and i i think we can see on in san jose he's not a fourth line player uh he's a first line player in san jose well and like is he a first line player on the leaves no i mean maybe well and they've been bunting a few times i mean everybody's bringing it up now nobody knew it at the time but

mason marchman man see that's the difference nobody knew it no one was saying at the time yeah no one was saying at the time we were doing stories about like how oh barb underhill taught him how to skate and stuff like that the panthers didn't know that was there stop it yeah or my favorite one is lee fans getting upset about carter verhage as though there wasn't like a six-year gap between when he got traded to when he became carter verhage i mean the lightning let him go when he became carter verhage yeah and it's not because him it's the cap constraints i think but like carter verhage got traded before matthews was a leaf like you gotta relax on that that one doesn't really count yeah no but people will count that are we gonna get mad about dakota

joshua playing with the canucks there's a leaf draft pick oh yeah dominic toninato on the on the jets there's a leaf i'm mad i'm mad about uh i am mad about uh seth jarvis because that pick was the marlo pick and the more i think about it the more i think when the leafs had matthews marner neilander on elcs they really fucked up when they signed marlo instead of going out and get getting somebody else and as much as i liked marlo as a leaf his first season especially really good good mentorship or whatever they goofed on that deal three years cost him a first round pick cost them the rest of that that cap space that they had they could have done way better with that it did lack some foresight i i remember seeing a tweet at the time there was

like the the leafs guaranteed a playoff spot the moment they signed marlo yeah and in retrospect they guaranteed that they were the early 2000 leafs yeah well which you might remember didn't win they won rounds but uh they didn't win we were talking about the lineup yeah can we get back to that because i think also they were trying to sign thornton and marlo at the same time i think i think we should get mad about nick robertson like i think it's enough i think it's time to hey stop scratching this kid either send him down or have him playing what the hell are you doing here keith listen there are line rushers he's scratched i've seen good arguments for having him in the lineup i've seen good arguments for keeping him out of the lineup him in the press

box does not make sense he's 21 yeah he's 20 just turned 21 stop it they're gonna fuck this kid up if they're not careful i'm serious like they honestly I believe fans are not going to like hearing this. They might want to explore a trade. Trading away, Nick? Yeah. Well, because it- Is he or isn't he?

Is he or isn't he? Like, because you know what? Okay, you drafted him as a guy with a ridiculously high ceiling and what they are very in the middle of creating, probably unintentionally, but they are creating a tweener. they're they're creating a an average player they don't need him up this is this is a guy with special potential that they are potentially making into an ordinary player one of the guys

that they actually drafted and developed properly um if you can believe it uh by just keeping him down there and keeping him down and keeping him down was Nazem Qadri I remember going to see a marley's game with you 10 10 12 years ago and he scored the winner he's unbelievable in that game now was he a perfect player when they brought him up in the 13 12 13 season or whatever no absolutely not but they kept him down they kept him down they kept another like no you're going to develop you're going to develop you're going to develop and then you're going to come up and and you know what i want to see nick robertson play for the toronto maple leafs i do i actually think i i can't imagine a scenario where dennis malgan uh is a more valuable player to this

Leafs lineup than Nick Robertson already I can't there isn't different positions I don't yeah unfortunately I mean guys I don't think there's a space for him right now in the lineup it doesn't make sense to have him in the press bronze yeah exactly that and Adam to add to your Nazem Kadri point add William Nylander to that uh yeah list of guys who stayed down a little too long and were perfect he was a Nylander was a fantastic Marley I remember seeing him at and a center point of game point of game he was a great as a Marley and I think that led to his development look where he is now and like nick robertson looking at when he's played this season he's played six games last one was october 30th uh that was the anaheim games when he played back

on sunday so he missed a wednesday's game and then he's gonna be scratched for saturday he played 14 15 15 12 minutes the first four games and then the last two games he was in over the weekend the kings and ducks he's played six minutes and then eight minutes those are scratches you're wasting what the hell are you doing yeah no they're they're creating an ordinary player this is a stop you know 21 year old kid who needs to be playing hockey games send them down and if there's cap implications and that's the reason he's been up then again your your ridiculous financial situation or financial when it comes to the cap is actively hurting your development you did that to yourself if that's the reason i'm gonna throw it out there the pontus holmberg

shouldn't be sitting either like he played fine against philly and now he's not in the lineup okay who does that help who's prospects shouldn't be sitting today they called up simmons sent down crawl great to me to me this speaks to the the non-decision on jake muzzin this summer we knew this summer they'd have to go in and make a decision on jake muzzin they chose not to make one and you know this guy is seeing specialists in in la i'm assuming about his back but i don't know uh his neck is what's his neck the word is he's probably done for the season and myrtle hinted at it in his article on sunday people are being kind of coy and so you're probably you're probably waiting for final confirmation on that because nobody wants to be the first and be wrong

yes right so so if that's the case you know that that that money the the the veteran players that you were supposed to have signed your obey kubels and your zach ass and reeses and stuff like that are supposed to be the guys that draw in on those fourth line minutes and provide you valuable minutes uh and let the young guys develop in the minor so you don't need them so they're not sitting like this it's you know you could criticize uh the seattle kraken for the way they've handled shane right and they are fucking that up yep they are 100 doing wrong and i don't know i don't know what's going on between ron hextall and ron hextall ron francis and dave hextall how about that that's a funny one ron hextall uh but i i uh i i think the leafs are guilty right now of the

same thing and at a certain point like i'm looking at i'm just looking at nylander for instance and i'm not saying robertson is nylander but you know and with the marlies he came over in 14 15 halfway through the season after you know finishing up with moto and 37 games he put up 35 32 points and babs said his first year was the next year babs said he would have been good enough to make this team but we are keeping him down on purpose he was a great marlin and and he put in the next year 38 games because i think he got injured 45 points this is a you know and and then he stepped into the league um he played a little bit at the end of that season but his first full season with the leafs it's 61 points you know this is the kind of thing where um uh it's just such an easy

decision and it's the kind of thing as a fan where you go this is what especially as a leaf fan this is what we used to do to guys this is what dubas said we wouldn't do to guys which is the yo-yo yep if you're in a if you're in a position where you have to keep nick robertson up then you've made a mistake yes if you have to keep him up and he's not playing games you've made a mistake the muzzin decision something that dubas really should have did in july he had chris johnston came on this show and said that muzzin probably wasn't going to be in this team because i think he saw the writing on the wall and he saw what should the leaf should have done and the fact that he didn't want to do that and he just held on to jake and then we get to training camp and

then we played two games and he's out we said the game was staying or going and i i remember it verbatim he goes and i go okay well or no he he said that that one requires a longer answer and i go okay what's the longer answer he goes they love him loves his guys i you can you can you can defend that one and like listen the jake muzzin brings exactly what the leaves lack and they love him and he's a great guy and all that they don't they don't make difficult decisions no that was don't make the necessary difficult decision that was an incredibly hard choice to make because of everything he said and because he's a sue greyhound and you're not allowed to trade sue greyhound so you're gonna get in trouble for that leaf fans for some reason get really

sensitive about that i said that once people were like people were like excuse me and i'm like okay well we're leaf fans we're not sensitive i know i know exactly as you said he should have pulled the trigger that should have been the move this off season to free up all of that cap space you bring in somebody the defense looks different and maybe hall is not playing as much because you have that extra room to go get someone that was the move to make and they didn't make it we're getting away from nick robertson should not be sitting shitty player sorry what uh they're making them into one the shane wright thing there was a uh development in that story last night because shane wright played 13 minutes that is a career high for mr right after being scratched for i

think it was verging on five straight games how did he do he was all right he had no points i I think it was a plus one. Hey! Plus one, no points. 21 shifts career high. Whoa! His previous high was 11 shifts. Guys, Dave Haxtell is not going to be the coach in Seattle much longer.

That's my bet. You guys want to talk about hot seats to be on? You think it's, you know, what's his name, the former Oilers coach in San Jose or Bruce Boudreaux or any of those guys? No, it's Dave Haxtell. Dave Haxtell and Ron Francis, there is no way they're on the same page. He's going to be a free agent soon? hackstone yeah yeah okay hear me out noxie and cax and hacks

nox cax and hacks let's do it with the axe body spray right ceos do i have board approval no no i know i usually try to keep the friday shows light um but we do have breaking news and i think it's important that we talk about this is a very difficult subject um because it's completely wrong boston has signed former arizona draft pick mitchell miller uh mitchell miller was the draft that was renounced by arizona uh after allegations of bullying uh in school uh don sweetie is going to meet with the media at one o'clock it looks like uh so unfortunately obviously we're not going to be able to react to don sweeney's press conference but um here's what happened just so you know because sometimes you bring this up up and people are like what about

second chances when mitchell miller was 14 uh he was charged with assault and violation of the ohio safe schools act in february 2016 after he and another student admitted to bullying isaiah meyer crothers a black classmate with a learning disability part of that bullying included wiping a piece of candy in a urinal and then tricking meyers crothers into consuming it in 2020 meyers crothers told the arizona republic that miller had taunted him for years growing up and calling him names like brownie and the n-word while repeatedly hitting him he said it hurt my heart when he saw the news that miller had been drafted by the coyotes in the fourth round of the 2020 draft where he was taken 111th overall and then a week later they renounced that pick now

um this is an ahl signing and it's uh and and oh he's with providence yes yes and uh it's not an nhl country no uh he reports to ahl providence don sweeney though having to speak to the media really says something about this now i i cannot everyone please compare his statement word for word to what the hab said when they drafted mayu the habs gave the bruins the playbook for this here's okay you signed a player who's who's good at hockey who maybe you shouldn't so here's the playbook yeah and and i think what's important here is it's there it's it's in the in this case the devil's really in the details because you got to remember that the judge who adjudicated this case said to mitchell miller i don't even think you're sorry and this is the

thing right he said i don't think i don't believe you're sorry i think i think that you're saying it because you have to and from what we understand mitchell miller even though he issued the quote unquote public apology never has has made amends with the family uh or the young man who was a victim of of this type of bullying now there is a statement from mitchell miller uh and i believe we should read that as well if that's okay okay um because you know this is you want to talk about the playbook here's the playbook when i was in eighth grade i made an extremely poor decision and acted very immature immaturely i bullied one of my classmates i deeply regret the incident and i've apologized to the individual since the incident i have a better understanding uh uh

I have come to better understand, excuse me, the far-reaching consequences of my actions that I failed to recognize and understand nearly seven years ago. I strive to be a better person and positively contribute to society. As a member of the Bruins organization, I will continue to participate in community programs to both educate myself and share my mistakes with others to show the negative impact these actions can have on others. To be clear, what I did when I was 14 years old was wrong and unacceptable. There is no place in this world for being disrespectful to others and i pledge to use this opportunity to speak out against mistreating others there's something that's mentioned thrice in there can you tell me what it is is it his age his age and

how young he was when he did it it's a i remember when this story originally came to light and i had some difficulty with it because it's a monstrous axe b of a child he's a child right when this happened but you brought up the very important point that when once he was an adult 18 a young adult sure but an adult the judge said he's not he doesn't appear sorry yeah and the mother the mother the letter from the mother of the child who was bullied when she came out and said that he never apologized to our family and there was so much uh wrote an open letter to the nhl and the coyotes oh yeah and and he was never apologetic so i'm with these things i'm like is there not other people who play hockey yeah but they're not as good as him is he so good at hockey that he

needs this position in providence according to the bruins that's ridiculous well and and you know what here's the thing people are like what about second chances yeah man listen second chances exist but you start with hey i'm really fucking sorry and you make amends and and that never happened and we have no evidence that that's ever happened exactly i don't think anyone criticizing this was an angel when they were 14 no it's it's about progression um in adulthood and you know what we might see that we might but i think you can forgive people for thinking this kind of fucking stuff well when you do that sort of thing you come you we have earned the right to doubt the individual have we not if everybody in the situation doubts him like i think there's

fair evidence here that we can also doubt him yeah and i don't expect the family of the child who was bullied to ever like him no no i don't expect that no but there needs to be some sort of peacemaking there well and i i i yeah so it's it's just an odd it's an odd move by a team that's doing extremely well the vibes are extremely positive and yeah what a weird fucking like the bruins literally this is you didn't need to do this and you didn't even you didn't even do this now like the bruins are a surprise first place run away with the division team right now 10 and 1 and your gm is like having to do pr control in 20 minutes because you had to make this signing in october you know what that means though guys somebody else was going to sign

probably but okay you're not making this signing on friday november 4th i i hate to do this the day before you play the leafs that's what i was about to say they also did this the day before not just playing the leafs hockey night in canada so now you've created a media storm for the last next 24 hours like that's all people are going to talk about tomorrow around around your team where there is quite literally nothing bad to talk about all we should be talking about is the greatest start in boston bruins history the team is uh 98 years old they're coming up on their 100th anniversary of the team and they're having their best start ever and we should be talking about that all saturday as they play the leafs man and now we gotta talk about this nonsense

you know what the hell is going on you know that the hockey night in canada producers had a whole bunch of like game seven clips and montages and all leaves and bruins you know it's the first step on the leafs maybe the leafs uh retribution against the brutes and it's like throw all that out the window we got to talk about this and they know that they 100 know what's happening tomorrow they so that tells me don sweeney isn't stupid don sweeney is not making well he okay okay fair enough all right but but don sweeney is going okay i know this is gonna we're gonna take a shit kicking for the next week month year whatever but somebody else is going to sign them and i want them it's also like this wouldn't even be

dawn so many this is cam neely like this goes up to the president if you're making this oh it goes up to the owner that's the owner like yo if i own the bruins if i'm jeremy jacobs and you sign this guy and you didn't tell me i'm fucking pissed um i i was texted unprompted uh after the news broke that multiple teams were in i see so of course i didn't even ask this person then they don't do this is it a reliable source in canada reliable source uh yeah okay they don't do this day before hockey night in canada unless they have to because they're like oh we got to get them before the fucking hurricanes do you know like it's ridiculous or i just named a team i don't know yeah just anybody mitch made sure to point that out but ah it's ridiculous it's a shame and again i'm gonna

say and people aren't gonna like it but it's not impossible for him to make amends here yeah but for some people it will be and i think that needs to be acknowledged as well yeah things like that some people just won't forgive and and once you create that action once you do that uh you got to live with the fact that there are just going to be some people that never forgive you we don't owe nobody owes this guy uh forgiveness nobody and there's skepticism there between all right do you believe in second chances or did you or do you just not fucking care right right so are you apologizing because you want to play hockey yeah so and the thing is that you know what i didn't like about the statement too is it you know he's like it was a lapse in judgment it was it was you

know it was immaturity whatever at no point elementary school like listen junior high junior you're high 14 well yeah depending yeah 14 you could be in high school i was 14 when i went to high school yeah but he was in eighth grade okay and and and so then let me say this okay so that that's okay no you're not fully acknowledging it when you don't say racism you called him the n word it's racism i mean you made a kid with learning disabilities eat piss oh yeah we also didn't mention that the kid has learning disabilities too yeah and it's just or i just you know so anyway not to overdo the topic but again guys it's it wasn't just the bruins either not that you let them off the hook they made the signing but you know s had a really good

video yesterday talking about uh s barahany of sdpn yes uh talking about the the several scandals going on in the nba right now and how it's how it's disappointing and and i i didn't say this to him but i i just remember thinking to myself man no one's this good at basketball you know what i mean yeah to put up with the shit that's going out there that that um uh the kairi situation is just i i've never seen the nba screw it screw up something so bad and primo with the spur yeah wow that was going on for months yeah crazy stuff you should check out check out the video he's uh really insightful yeah you're saying uh yeah no one's that good at basketball for that it seems like the bar here in hockey is like we got a great prospect who cares what happens off

the ice it doesn't seem like the people who are in charge of signing players and bringing talent to the league don't they don't really care when this happens the role players they're gone they're gone but if you're talented enough at even like i'm saying talented enough if for a guy who's signing an ahl deal like he's not even like oh we gotta sign to this nhl deal we gotta put him on the bruins he's he's not even the the top of the skill he's just kind of he's a prospect and there's still like let's disregard everything that's happened to him let's get him here it's uh there's not a lot of respect for the off-ice issues yeah you know he did some pretty bad things and the family doesn't forgive him and it doesn't look like he was sorry but he was the

top scoring defenseman on his ushl team so i think we might gotta take a chance on this kid yeah they They have it in the media release. He skated in six games with the Tri-City Storm of the USHL in 2021-22, recording 39 goals and 44 assists for 83 points. Oh, shit. That sounds like good at hockey. So, welcome to Providence. Yeah.

What are you doing on your phone? Oh, I was just looking at his team's numbers. Do you want to talk about, and I'm going to do a hard right hurt and turn here, but I don't know what else you expect me to do after that segment. We had to talk about it. Do you want to talk about the Mike Rupp clip with Austin Matthews? I was going to include that in the Leafs pack, and then this broke, and then it was sort of, you know, because it's made the rounds. And we reached out to Mike, by the way, who's a great guy, and he didn't have time to come on the show today.

What show was he on? What show was he on? On this network. Oh, he was on Agent Provocative War. Second ever episode. That's right. Yes, he was. And we talked about his Stanley Cup winning goal and negotiating with Lou Lamorello.

It's a great show, a great episode. You should check it out. Mike's one of the warmest guys that we've ever had on. And he released a clip saying, Austin Matthews is a hunk of garbage. Yeah, he said, wow. Oh my goodness. The Leafs should trade him for Connor McDavid

and Sebastian Aho. Gun to the earth. Rasmus Dali. Matthews or Konechny. I'm taking Konechny. So you're not going to see the video here because technically that's Sportsnet property. If we ran it on the channel, they'd be after us.

But we are going to have Mike Rupp's breakdown. And I'm sure you've seen this on Twitter. No, people, not everybody's always online. Okay, so basically this is after the. And bless them. This is after the Matthews goal. Normal people listen to the show. Towards the end of the, towards the end of the game, Matthew scores.

And. No. Sorry, not Matthew scores. Matthew's around the net. He was, yeah, he was around the net. And it's right before Konechny goes after Matthews, right? And then you remember that scrum, right? Where Bunting jumps and then Giordano's like, I'm going to.

superman yeah superman spear like that was crazy i love mark giordano man he's awesome it didn't quite have the the form of a spear it was more like uh gore from rhino yeah yeah ecw days oh yeah so yeah so listen um i uh i want i want you to understand because mike rup put out the very controversial opinion about austin matthews on this one have a listen jesse all right i'm sure everybody's seen it to this point but we're going to go through austin matthews takes a shot by travis connect me and i'm okay and i love this actually that austin goes after him right goes in there gives him a whack you're not allowed you can't just take a run at me okay and comes in lays a cross check that's all good identical cross check

and then connect he's like all right let's go and austin doesn't have to fight here he does not have to fight here although he's the one who kind of started this whole thing as far as going after him in the corner but you can't just stand there and be okay with your teammates coming to your defense and just just pausing it there we all heard the part where he said he doesn't have to fight there right okay cool you just laugh about it we've seen this movie i've seen this time and time again with austin playing the cool card doesn't work it doesn't it doesn't float it may scoop by it may look cool on social media but inside that locker room at some point it's going to wear thin when you've got this situation you've got a 39 year old warrior that's been playing the

game hard from day one work for everything he's got he's got to come in here and fight this fight for you you're gonna smile okay that that's the first part second part michael bunting called their finalists last year line mate second year man you're okay with him getting involved there's Kelly Yarncroke, Rasmus Sandin. And here's the thing. Austin Matthews is going to stand here and your situation in this is you grab onto somebody to keep it even, right? Look at the body language here by Matthews. One arm, barely up, barely up. It's like a wet noodle. Touch, look away, turn around, look down at the ice. Won't even look anybody in the eyes. But you're okay with all this going on? All these other extracurriculars? Let's back it up a second

and just look how weird this looks chaos is ensuing bodies are going everywhere i see one the referees are showing more liveliness than awesome matthews yarn croak in there standing that looks weird i'm sorry it does and it's going to roll forward it's going to continue connect he's going to come back let him know what he thinks of him austin's going to initiate again whack nope i'll let the young kid take care of this gonna stand here bunting his older smile on his face if things don't change in toronto if this team doesn't start getting some team toughness and having a backbone they ain't going anywhere they're not winning anything well listen

when i tell you tweeting about that clip yesterday is one of the greatest regrets of my life how did it go i mean what did you say it out of the go i said a bunch of things and listen uh i don't want to sound like a boomer Twitter is the worst vessel for communication ever invented. Yeah. Ever fucking invented. Are you paying $8 a month to use Twitter? I would pay $8 a month to never have to use it.

Yeah. Can I, is there a way out for us at this point? Oh, like I'm watching the whole website burn to ash. And as someone who needs it for work actively and like has grown because of it, I cannot wait for its demise. I'm so excited to be done with it forever. and i'm not sick of people i'm sick of the type of conversation we have on that godforsaken fatherless motherless piece of shit give it to me give it to me read it like okay

i'm trying to i'm trying to find what i said let me find what's good because i decided to get in trouble again today okay by saying you know people deserve a living wage sorry about that um we have a shirt that says uh it's your face and it says never tweet so a fan made that for us oh really yes and they sent it in don't don't no i don't think it's never tweet it's no go ahead tweet no no tweet first no tweet first yes that's

the shirt i forget how much fan shout out you for me it was amazing yeah um oh boy look at me going off yeah that always works but what the fuck are you doing um there's there's too many to read honestly honestly

um give us something i know so the first one is i say look matthew should avoid fighting at almost all costs yes but there's 100 an element of truth here one day there won't be an igor zamula that was the player that he noodled uh there won't be an igor zamula to latch on to someone's going to drop the gloves and your teammates are preoccupied now what uh sydney crosby who super should never fight has eight fights in 1299 games ovechkin has four fights in 1432 games samco says six even tavaris has a fight on his card against alexander bermistrov from 2010 wow that's funny i didn't know that with

the thrashers odds are while rare it's going to happen then what um someone said you take fighting out of hockey and just play hockey in what other sport is there is this a conversation football literally shortens people's lives and even they are like yeah no we are here to play football i said listen man i totally get it fighting is gonna leave hockey in our lifetime i said that years ago on the podcast you said that in our first season yeah i was like you're out of your mind yeah fighting is gonna leave hockey in our lifetime it might take five years it might take 30 i think it'll eventually happen until it does it's a factor um and there's there's i said a bunch of other shit someone said how many fights do mckinnon and mcdavid have

um and i said mckinnon has eight in the nhl two in the queue mckinnon boxes in the offseason he's ready and willing mcdavid had two ohl fights in one of them he missed his opponent punched the boards and broke his i remember that he almost missed the world juniors because of it and then they ended up winning gold i don't think they do without him um he also has some snarl these days which matthews does uh but nobody says which i thought was a nuanced take talking about matthews does have snarl more than people think um and rup even said at the beginning of the clip i love this from matthews but why are you such a fucking idiot i don't know i i love you by the way i don't know i was shortlisted for the gifted program i took a test i didn't get in it ruined

my relationship with education anyway usually these stories are saved for my therapist i agree with rup in the sense that i think matthews should have just grabbed a guy just like i i i didn't play hockey but i know in the scrum let's just let's just do this and hold on to each other until all the chaos is done matthews should have just picked a guy and held on to him like i don't i don't hate that take because the the you standing there smiling that doesn't look good to the rest of the guys in the league who are like look at matthews looking smiling like i'm gonna beat him up next time you know he's they call him some words in the locker room yeah you don't want that just grab a guy no i don't think austin matthews whose bread and bunners is his wrister should be

fighting with a surgically repaired wrist don't fight like no no i like uh you know one thing that's been talked about over the years less less lately more when he joined the team is you know it'd be nice for oh thank you jason it'd be nice for you know tavaris to throw a punch i do not think john tavaris who had a traumatic concussion should be fighting i don't think sydney crosby who missed like two of the best years of his career uh uh should be fighting yeah concussion should be fighting so what do you think do something yeah grab somebody do hold on let's hug each other for till the ref blows and we all stop pretending like we don't know exactly what i'm talking about like how many fights have you seen that got you out of your chair and you were

like yeah involved no punches landed whatsoever and they just wrestled that's all i was your nano i don't even know if there was any punches that was just i don't know i think i think what if someone sticks up for you and gets knocked the fuck out so the other side of it how about that okay well i mean listen you you don't get to control that you don't get to get that's like yeah that's that's bad i guess not you don't get to control that i i think the other side of it is um and i'm just gonna let me let me be the other side completely the other side go for it if i'm looking at this i'm like um i'm fucking thrilled as a leaf fan because you don't touch that's the guy who is the untouchable one and it's so thrilled with the team no no i know but let me let me

finish this because because i don't want matthew's touching anyone if he so much as bruises a pinky that's a problem for me up already already got a back injury this year because jamie ben almost put his stick right through his spinal cord yep and i think i think so leaf fans are like yo this guy is un-fucking-touchable and the leafs team hasn't in the past is now finally acting like no you actually can't touch him and i think i think matthews is sort of laughing and looking away because he's like i like you're not going to touch me anymore but you're not to me was like a bit of a team bonding moment i wonder if the leafs look at that and go yeah fucking right we defended our guy because he doesn't do this we do this someone someone brought up uh john scott versus

phil kessel which was a bit of a which this super isn't no by the way travis connect me uh gives up like four inches uh and many pounds to austin matthews uh and someone was like well what if matthews just tomahawked him and tried to try to chop him down like uh or no tried to redwood him like like kessel did with john scott you know what everyone forgets about that brawl phil kessel grabbed a guy and beat the shit out of him it was flynn on buffalo i forget his first matt flynn my brian or maybe i'm thinking of brian glenn because he has the same last name as me he used to play for the minnesota north stars anyway um or was it dallas doesn't matter kessel grabbed a guy and he didn't even have to do that much i assume the other guy was throwing punch yeah but

i don't think he did something i don't think i don't think is untouchable because i think it anybody on the ice is touchable in the sense that it's a contact sport and you want to go after austin matthews you can so in the in the 80s i know everybody's gonna roll their eyes in the 80s you touched wayne you died yeah right yes scott wheeler pointed that you touched wayne you died that was it and that's it that's all is is austin wayne no but he's our way and and i do think the leafs need more snarl on the lineup i talked about that on monday um i was happy to see this and i was happy that team i was happy thrilled to see it from the team i i would say that i would i disagree with rup because i think and and i you know having met mike it's not like

he's like i mike's not i hate your fucking team that's not mike ruff right but it's one of those situations where okay yeah he can grab a guy or whatever um to me uh let those guys who have not yet proven that they're going to stand up for somebody on this team this team is known for not standing up for its players and shit like especially at stars you saw it with morgan riley earlier this year when he jumped on whoever it was i forget what it was morrissey uh during the winnipeg game it's nice to actually see this and i think sometimes people forget in the context of what the leafs have done for the last three years where they've just gotten mobbed by columbus Boston uh sometimes by Tampa you you I Montreal yo maybe Matthew should step to the side and go

hey you guys you also get paid you do something and he's carried this team 60 goals last year so to me what I understand what Rob's saying but I would disagree in the sense that I think it's time that we let some of these other guys who are actually brought in to do some of those jobs do them yep listen I totally agree man did you see how we're agreeing and disagreeing and we're No, you're a fucking idiot. I'm subbing your channel. I'm so... I'm subbing you.

You're fucking done. I'm subbing you. How are you someone's father? At the... Yeah. Fuck. At the dawn of man. We got to start from zero.

Every conversation. The copper age. Fuck my life. But anyway, I'm not asking him to throw haymakers. I'm just asking him to do something. Yeah. I would also... I'd like to see him get a little physical

in those scuffles. And he does. Underratedly, he does. And he also throws hits from time to time. The one thing I would take issue with with what Rupp said is, and I don't know if this was his intent, but what he said made it seem like

this is the same Austin Matthews who got ragdolled by the Canadians and Ben Sherratt in 2020. 2020 or 2021? 2021. 2021. One. That season.

It's that... period of time is a blob yeah but no it was 2021 last year he was nothing like that player like forget that he scored 60 goals i think part of the reason he scored 60 goals is he made room for himself he was mangling guys he was hitting guys like matthews was a four-dimensional player last year he was excellent defensively he was scoring goals from everywhere he was a playmaker and he can smash you through the boards because he's 225 pounds. And 6'3".

Yeah, and probably a faster, more efficient skater than you because he's one of the best hockey players in the world. He's huge. Yeah, he's huge. He's huge. And he doesn't get enough credit for that.

I'm not asking him to fight Travis Konecki. I'm not. But like, I remember... Oh, who was it? Niskanen? Crosby fought someone on the Stars years ago and I remember it was super weird and I was like, him?

Okay. but i'm i'm willing to bet all the penguins watched from the bench the exact same way we all did and we all went why that's kind of neat or no no no no no no no no no no no they might have also been like oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh shit i mean riley i'm pretty sure iced his knuckle after that fight and i was like oh no morgan no no no no no no no like listen there's consequences is to fight yes there are i'm not asking them to fight and get hurt bear hug well one that's i mean would bear hug people if i would love to know the conversation after that game or the next day if there was one between john tortorella and igor zamula it's torts remember interesting

it's torch remember igor at least drop your fucking gloves yes is what i imagine was said like think think of it from a flyer's perspective why does matthews get out of that scott free yeah because he sort of like has his stick on on zamula right and that's it they just kind of breathe on each other he cross checks two different people yeah because he does he does the initial one connecting no he comes back cross checks connecting twice oh it's connecting twice yeah so like as a flyers from perspective yeah he shouldn't get away with that go after him and get to him no matter what if i'm a flyers fan it's five i want them to be the broad street bullies and i know they're not gonna be the better team most nights and they're not gonna have more skill

or more depth than you know most teams uh most nights i'm looking at that as you couldn't have on something and like yes zamula i think is a rookie he might have played last year i feel like i recognize his name he's 22 but imagine the lift that gives them going into the next game that's all i'm saying that's all and that's the flyers perspective elon musk is right in that no ten dollars if you if twitter was a paid service it would be a better place if you had how many people would send fuck you to me if all of a sudden you can send dms for pay no no i'm not talking about that i'm talking about something completely different if you just had to pay to get on twitter like you had to have a credit card oh just in your identity and just to just same way

you needed to pay to use the athletic the athletic app you need it's a subscription you need to get on there if you had to pay ten dollars a month to use twitter it would be a lot better place because everybody there it would be their real name their identity and you wouldn't have a trough of shit in there except no it extraordinarily won't be the real name and real identity fuck you i know where you live i'm gonna kill your family from william wallace and it's a photo of mel gibson that's the future of twitter that is absolutely the future of that hellscape i i think you're weeding out a large part of twitter if you make people pay and up and use their credit card can we talk about can we talk about something i wish i had your optimism you don't think so not at all i don't

think so either but can we talk about um uh uh can we talk about somebody who mike rup should comment on and should be embarrassed and that's jordan binnington he did comment on oh he did there's a tweet there oh did he say it oh what'd he say oh i wasn't i wasn't actually criticizing him but i don't know what he said can you bring it up i would love to know what mike rup said so it just so you know uh jordan binnington headers the danbury trashers yes yeah he's amazing um out there uh no i don't have uh i don't have uh mike's uh tweet there if you are you blocked i hope you're blocked he says uh binner has been searching high and low for the last few years for a goalie fight so he's losing a game against the islanders counterpoint no he hasn't

and he's trying to fight or he kind of shoulders he does the shoulder thing uh to sorokin yeah and and you know the thing with binner is he only does this in games where he's bad well honestly it's pretty bold for a guy who started the season with an 879 save percentage like dude you know it was one thing when you were throwing air punches at people at center ice and you guys were winning cups or you want a cup right you had some swagger you had some confidence but you have allowed 22 goals in seven games like guys it's focus jordan focus on tending the goal i said his brand of toughness is rude subway commuter he just bumped the guy's shoulder and then he won anyway like oh yeah a big lick of difference that made i don't know i don't know yeah i just it's it's

Listen, I know, I know Blues fans love Benner. I get it. But it's, it's, it's, it's Weasel. It says, it says something about how tough the St. Louis Blues are as a team that nobody has just completely ragdolled him yet. Oh yeah, yeah. No, they wouldn't touch him. No.

Wouldn't touch him. No. And counterpoint, these days, do you want to take Jordan Bennington out of the game? It's better if he's in. Better if he's in. so doug armstrong has that press conference where he's like hey guys we're off to an awful start and we'll get it together the st louis blues respond to that press conference by coming out losing 5-2

to the islanders not great so yeah during that game anders lee fights um what's his name nico micola so they have a fight in the game you know because that's a big fight oh yeah you're uh you're it's a tough game you know you got to show that you're still in this you got to have some confidence and and during that fight when these two heavyweights are going at it jordan binnington's right there he's he's like i'm gonna get in the middle of this fight how does he steve get in the middle of this fight oh jordan binnington decides to enter this fight let me see by cup checking anders lee in the middle of the fucking fight he's gotta get fined watch let me look at look at this guy stick his stick between anders lee's legs and the ref has to pull him

away while these two guys are going at it you'll see it from this angle as well you should get a third man in fine oh yeah look so he comes in there he comes to just start sticking his stick between the guy's legs what are you doing you should 100 get a third look what are you doing and he doesn't do much really but no he doesn't do anything but he does everything it's weasel move bro oh and then yeah you're going to second intermission or first intermission or whatever it was and you fucking give a shoulder to sorokin like you're losing come on you allowed five goals i think one might be fancy now sorokin look great usually does don't cup check guy in the middle of a fight wow that's a good good uh good catch there jesse i never saw i saw somebody pointed

out on twitter you can't have four goals one you can't do that you can't you just can't do that what are you doing it's weird that he even thought to do it yeah well actually no it's not look at him he's so slimy all he's been taught this entire time all he's been taught and the refs is he's allowed to do this yeah i want to pause on the ref who doesn't go after the guy's fighting but he goes after binnington because he's trying to get a stick in between let jordan jordan jordan stop we don't want you to get suspended i don't mind the refs letting them go no i just like if you're gonna get in the way get in the way and don't like look at this no i can't hold on look at no i know is it on the screen yeah it was oh sorry my bad

look at that yeah what is this what is it oh you're yeah get involved he's the worst yeah no and i okay that's your guy that's your guy that's your man What did you say the save percentage was? 8.79 On the season? Yeah, so far. 7 games I told you I was surprised when I read it out to you guys

You guys didn't react more Who's got a worse one, him or Sheldren? Okay, let me find out 8.79, you said? Yeah That's something, Jesse, who do you got? Sheldren, for sure Yeah?

I think it's going to be close it is sheldon by point zero zero four well he's an 875 and benner's got an 879 he's lost four straight decisions bennington yeah started off three and oh and then oh and four turning into battington yeah like i don't know i understand liking your he's your guy if you're a blues fan he's your guy yeah if you're i get it you love this listen i get it light us up on the comments i don't care uh uh but you just have to know just like marcian right uh the difference is i would want marcian on my team i would i would want marcian on my team fucking up people's lives this is this is the marcian marcian does shit that and cadre yeah uh does shit that that throws

opponents off their game he's a a shithead that's effective this shithead is just like again like i said weasel is the word that comes to mind it's like you're popping your head up And I'm going to go down whenever trouble approaches I'm going to cup check you In the middle of a fight Get out of here man You're trying to fight me And again

It says something about how tough the blues are That we keep every time this happens And it happens an unbelievable amount of the time Every time this happens We're like one day And it hasn't happened yet Do you want Ryan O'Reilly to knock on your door? I don't think so

no well and he's like probably i don't know what the 10th toughest blue i don't yeah who would be well bertuzzo i guess micola micola bertuzzo if you are on or against his team he fights everyone yeah man they're uh they got talking robots big big bodies on the st louis blues and his should have fucking turned and hit by the way you can't hit a goalie no you can't hit a goalie and knows that. Well, he couldn't because Mikula's strong. I will say this. Everyone stop making fun of the St. Louis Blues.

This is how they win cups. They've lost six straight. Yeah, that's true. If they're last place in January, lock it in. Buddy. They're going for it. You don't understand. They're going for it. Yeah, Bedard looks pretty good.

Psych! And then they're going to just go for it. They are one tough team. They're a hell of a tough team. They are a tough team, and they'd be a tough out in the playoffs. Lastly, did you see Vemelka's play where he tried to clear the puck yesterday? Yes. If you're a goaltender, kindly tend the goal. Okay, let's do the press conference.