The Steve Dangle Podcast - Diamondback | December 12, 2017

Episode Date: December 12, 2017

On this episode, FINALLY #TheSuiteLifeWithAdamAndSteve (00:00), are the Senators REALLY trading Erik Karlsson (05:00), the Edmonton Oilers are in trouble (27:00), Mark Spector, Justin Bourne, the Vegas Golden Knights and Jim Diamond all had Twitter drama the weekend (45:00), the Vancouver Canucks made a tiny trade (1:09:00), Eric Francis says the Flames are moving to Houston (1:17:00), Goeff Molson has come out in support of Marc Bergevin (1:21:00), and the press conference (1:27:30). Originally aired: December 12, 2017 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/mFKA6fOUSww Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.D.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Okay, you guys. No, no, no, I need to start the show. Oh, you need to start it. Okay, go, please. For weeks, we've been teasing this. Oh, I'm glad you're starting with this. And we haven't done it.

Adam, how are we giving away these damn Marley tickets? You're the one who came up with it. You take it, man. No, this isn't my thing. No, you came up with this idea. Someone coordinated this event with the Marlies and has been teasing for centuries now that we got to give away these tickets. Well, I can't actually remember what you said, even though it was a great idea. So you're going to have to do it. I got stuff happening, man.

I'm busy. This Sunday. This Sunday we got a Marlies game. We can pick a couple winners. I'll pull up exactly what I wrote. Well, Jesse's doing that. I'm going to tell you what you're going to get. Boxes to the Marlies, baby.

Box seats at the freaking Marley's this freaking weekend. Steve, you haven't said a word yet. I was trying to see how long I could go without saying a word. Box seats! Marley's! For your life! Do it! You still haven't told him what to do.

Put the Marley's into your life! I don't know what to do. So, you're going to... That's why I didn't say anything. If you want to come to the Marley's game this Sunday... This Sunday! Watch out. Yeah, Jesse doesn't put a cap on his coffee

because he's freaking dangerous like that. It's Sunday. I only bust caps in your ass. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. It's not even coffee. We listened to Ludacris before. It is coffee.

Yeah, I put on Ludacris on purpose because I wanted... Yeah, it is coffee. The light was reflecting strange. Anyway. Are you tired, Steve? I am. Here, wait.

So, let's get to this. You will have... Marley's! Sunday! Oh, man, I'm so tired. Former and potentially future Leafs and current. But not Kisberry Kapanen, right? He might be there.

We don't know yet. Jesse, go ahead. Marlies. If you want to be at the Marlies game this Sunday with us, you will have to tweet us a photo of you and three friends and show us where you watched the game, and we'll upgrade you to our suite. Oh, I like it.

You can watch the game in luxury with us. I like that, I like that. Alright. So yeah, tweet a photo. You gotta include... You and three friends. Do we have a hashtag? Marley's!

Wait, no. I feel like that might be taken. SDP. SDP. Oddcast. Marley's life. Marley's life! No.

No? No. Okay, no hashtag. No, we gotta use a hashtag. Yeah, we gotta use a hashtag. Yeah, for sure. I feel like Marley's life probably isn't taken. How about this?

Maybe by one of their super fans who's like, that's all I do is I go to the Marley's and I'm the biggest Marley's fan. I didn't even watch the Leafs, I watched Marley's. Hear me out. The Suite Life with Adam and Steve. Oh! How do you spell suite?

S-U-I-T-E. Sweet. That took me a sec. Not sweet as in sweet. But maybe you're excited to see Andreas Johnson. So it'd be the Suite Life. Oh, no. It's The Suite Life with Adam and Steve.

Maybe one of you is Zach, and which one's Cody? See, I don't get that. I'm too old. Really? I just remember the show. Cody's Jughead now. Listen. Well, they're the same guy.

They were interchangeable. We're not even sure that there's more than one. It's just that they CGI'd a guy in. What are you two blabbing about? It might have just been the same kid playing both parts. Yeah, I mean, you saw The Nutty Professor with Eddie Murphy. They figured that out. This isn't The Parent Trap.

Lindsay Lohan. It's Lindsay Lohan and Lindsay Lohan. We don't know that that's probably the same guy. And he probably has got two Twitter accounts like Kevin Durant. And he tweets from both of them and has two girlfriends. And it's good times. See, people who have shipped Cody will angrily tweet you and be like, no, one of them is better. I can't wait till those tweets.

If you have kids right now, you probably know what we're talking about. But if you don't, you probably have no idea what we're talking about. I got shipped. I understand shipping. You get shipped? Yeah. You and Jeff, right? Yeah, we get shipped.

That's hot. That's hot. Hey. Anyway, so tweet us your photo of you and three friends. Marley's life! Hashtag! Watching the Leafs game or whatever game you watch and how you watch it. And tweet us the photo.

Most creative photo wins. We'll pick the winners on Thursday, I guess. It's a hashtag Marley's life! And there will be several winners and no, not Marley's life. What is it? If you put Marley's life in there, we will disqualify you. Yeah, that's a rule. Hashtag the sweet life with Adam and Steve.

The sweet life. Hashtag Marley's life. Wait, when is this again? Sunday. Sunday! Hey, question for you. Since we're talking about fans. Who do fans of the Senators like more?

Eric Carlson or the Ottawa Senators? Wow. The answer is always Eugene Melnick. Great question and equally good answer Thank you I'm going to say Eric Carlson I'm going to go with Eric Carlson as well You're saying Eugene

Eugene's the sleeper in that race Chessie's holding tight to Eugene He's bringing up the rear He's D His answer is D Sometimes the surprise candidate Comes out of nowhere And he wins

Oh but coming in the rear is Eugene Melnick Yeah, that's really hard Because there have been other fan favorites There have been fan favorites for the Sens Before Daniel Alfredson I think it's About a 50-50 split I think, okay

How many Sens fans Upon losing Eric Carlson If that Comes to pass Will cease being Sens fans Well that's what I mean How many people are fans of Eric Carlson and how many people are fans of the actual team.

Well, it's like how the Habs broke Andrew Berkshire. When Subban was gone, he was done. And several. He'll be back. He's kind of half in now. He'll be back. He's kind of back. He's back.

But he's out enough that he wore a Leafs jersey to a Habs game. Yeah. As a front. He would have never done that two years ago. As a cover-up. He did do it. God bless him, he did it. In the whole game.

The reason I ask is because, surprise, surprise, Ottawa Senators management got all in a huff when Eric Carlson said, you have to pay me money. And this is my favorite part of this was I read 31 Thoughts. Was it two days ago when it came out? And I was like the whole time I was like, ah, inside because I was doing another show. But I way to go, Steve, turn your ringer off. Here's the here's here's what Elliot had to write. In the immediate aftermath of Carlson's comments, there was a lot of anger inside the organization. You don't say.

Owner Eugene Melnick is always the flashpoint, but it went deeper to Eugene Melnick's other people that work for Eugene Melnick. Yeah, Pierre Dorian. There was at least one tense meeting between the captain and team officials. In conversation with Sportsnet Arash Madani last weekend in San Jose, the franchise Cornerstone says his quotes were taken out of context. I'm not sure how you can take those quotes out of context. One of the theories around Ottawa's request for Carlson's list, and by the way, if you haven't heard, Ottawa asked for basically every player on the team,

they need their list. And there are 10 players with protected lists that they needed to request. They requested Carlson's. One of the theories is they're trying to rattle his cage as much as he rattled theirs. So that's, this is what you do. When your kid does something wrong,

what you do, like let's say your kid throws a banana on the floor. The way to stop them from throwing the banana on the floor Is to yourself throw another banana on the floor See I don't get that example Because you didn't use a dog instead of kids So please use a dog instead So if my dog poops on the floor

The way to stop my dog from pooping on the floor Is to poop right next to the poop that my dog just took I don't think that's I haven't tried that Well I mean listen If the senator's logic is to be believed Then that's exactly what they did Oh you rattled our kids well we're going to rattle you back

We're going to send you to somewhere else where they might make the playoffs. Yeah, irreplaceable franchise cornerstone whose contract is up and we're desperately trying to resign. This is so great. Take this.

Oh, I too can poop on the floor. Yeah. Oh yeah, we'll trade you. Okay. All right. So I get what I want. Cool. Dope.

Sounds great. Elliot goes on to say, not long after I relayed the theory to someone, I was contacted by another source. He pointed to the 2010-2011 Senators when they dropped to 26th in the NHL that year. They traded Fisher, Kelly, and Kovalev. I forgot Alex Kovalev was a Senator. That is going to be the blueprint once again.

The Senators have 10 players with some level of protection, and all will be asked for their preferences. Now, I couldn't help but think, couldn't help but cross my mind that there's a specific contract on that team where if it wasn't there if it wasn't there you could pay Eric Carlson whatever you wanted to pay him but because that specific contract is there you're going to have some trouble and it's good

Adam Matt Duchesne just got there you're right you're right oh Adam enough about Alex Burrows that deal Dave Nodus comes back to haunt the Ottawa Senators it might be our greatest parting his greatest parting gift to us

is FNUF's contract That was gotten rid of cleverly by not him Wow Think about that And you think about that trade Was that? No, that trade wasn't noticed Oh, two years ago. No, that was not It was Lou. It was Lou. Do-do-do

It was Lou. Okay Lou's in his third year. It was two years ago You think about that trade now It's been such a blur You had Greening, Mahalik, Cowan And Tobias Lindberg Coming the other way

And you trade FNUF and something. Oh, it was FNUF and like four prospects we'll never hear from. Ah, Casey Bailey. It plays sometimes. All of those contracts

have since expired except for Dion FNUF. Now, we've re-signed Colin Greening, but that's an AHL deal. Yeah. That's an NHL deal. Is it an NHL deal?

But he's in the minors. Okay. Well, the point is I do think that that deal in retrospect as much as at the time the Leafs took on more

salary kind of looks bad kind of looks like highway robbery for the Sens kind of looks like the Leafs robbed them yeah yeah it's always about the Leafs don't ever ever forget it if

everybody I just want you to know your place in the world it's a Toronto Maple Leafs world let's say let's say they hung out all those yeah Leafs let's talk let's say like they hung on

to all those expiring deals okay now I'm not saying Dion Phaneuf was not a force for them he was good but you still have Mark my thought if you don't trade for Dion Phaneuf you have 12 million dollars

in salary off the books because all of those players are gone and you have not Dion Phaneuf's contract on the books which is

what is it 7 million bucks 7.1 I think yep yep I'm just saying that's a deal that's gonna haunt them

and how do you move that deal now you can not uh now I think Nick Kiprios hit the nail on the head

uh during second intermission of Hockey Night this past Saturday, which is must-watch television. Oh, headlines? Yeah, I am not just pumping my company's tires. It is Kip Rios, Johnston,

Friedman, who's usually the third to speak, hosted by Ron McClain. It is big, shiny tunes hockey. Nothing but hits. Always. It's 31 thoughts, but in video form and fast and in your face, and usually with

the beer in hand it is the best it's jock jams on steroids whoa it's now too wow wow it is electric circus whoa with suits wow all right good suits though you want to see chris johnson dance with glow sticks because you can on a saturday night i feel like if you ran into him in a nashville bar You might actually be able to see it live And by the way We would say that with CJ here Yeah, really Go to Nashville and try not to

They wouldn't even say hi Their response would be I'm in Nashville So yeah, Kiprios basically said If I remember correctly Now I don't want to misrepresent him I do He would trade him

If he was the Sens I would too The Sens cannot afford To pay a player like that Chris Johnson said Hard to win a trade like that And I think He's also correct

He's correct I don't think you win it I think you just try to come out with I mean look what Look what Colorado did with Matt Duchesne Look what they were able to haul in For Matt Duchesne If you got

That's their new standard If you got Like what a fantastic I take back everything I said about Justin Eh that's not true He made some dumb decisions But But what a fantastic trade.

If you get a haul like that for Carlson, you're probably thinking that's great. If you get a haul like that for Carlson, you got ripped off. You did get ripped off. It better be twice that. My point is, I don't know that teams can afford to pay twice that. I think you're going to have to. The market will only pay so much, right? You got to pay.

It's got to look like a junior hockey trade where you're dealing picks nine years down the line. Hi, I got your second round pick for the next six years. the other side of it is this first off it doesn't make sense to me at least to re-sign Carlson

and then put him through a rebuild in his prime because that's where they're headed they know that they knew that it was last year

and this year that's why Burroughs got a two year deal maybe extend it to the third year I don't think so in terms of what their ability

is going to be and it looks like they do like when guys linger oh they yeah they definitely let lingerers linger

but well this isn't a problem you have to worry about until next year right let Carlson play out this year

for sure and then maybe come next year you see where you are come this time next season and maybe if you're in a playoff spot you just run with it

what did Friedman say? the problem is is that guys with a year and a half left are worth more than guys with half a year left yeah it's gotta be like it's gotta be dealt

like before the next season begins I don't think that applies to Eric Carlson no? no I think he's too good you deal him whenever you get the same package

yeah but no team I don't think you can afford to add Eric Carlson on the fly you know what I mean that's six and a half million bucks man I think you can

so you think it would be playoff rental Eric Carlson because you get less for playoff rental Eric Carlson if you get full season

Eric Carlson holy shit I don't think it's playoff rental I think it's maybe a month in like early November if they're right out

of it next year but I don't see why you don't let them play out this season for sure I do they're 9, 12, and 7 and their goal differential

with the exact same team pretty much their goal differential is 70 they have 77 goals for 98 against and it's not getting better you know that's that's why I kind of look at it and go okay well if his you know if that's the perception

that the maximum value is now or this summer because any team that wants him is going to want the break on the salary before they have to try to resign him right they're going to want that six and a half million dollars would you make the deal now or try to and then try to keep making that deal until the summertime?

Remember the DeShane deal got held up? Was that not the Sens who held it up? I don't know. I thought it was. I thought it was. Boy, that team screwed. That team is so boned. Now if they start winning.

And crocodile tears for me. Oh, crocodile tears from this Leafs fan. You know who's stoked about this? Habs fans. You know who's stoked about this? Bruins fans. Bruins fans should be tap dancing Like look at the Atlantic right now

Look at it I'm looking Look at it The bar to get in Like the Bruins are third right now And they have like at least three games in hand On most teams I mean

Where are you guys planning on watching The Leafs Bruins first round series Cause it sure looks like it Where are you Like even if the Leafs take a tumble And it's like okay Then Boston gets home ice Right

The Leafs have I tried looking at the standings on NHL.com, but they rounded points to a single digit. No. To a tenth of a point. Everyone has four? Oh, my God. That's shocking.

That's shocking. Why would they do that? Should we talk about it? No, I mean, I don't know. Where are we going to go with that? It's dumb. We're talking about the December playoff picture. You know what?

It's dumb. All right, moving on. All right, so NHL.com started rounding save percentage to two digits, which makes no sense. Yeah, so if you have a 9.19 save percentage, which is good, or a 9.10 save percentage, which is not good, it's just shown as the same thing. What complete lack of knowledge of the sport.

Like, don't ever have you ever played the game me ever again if you make that sort of decision ever again. This is the game. It's always been that way. It's always been that way, though, too. Like, I can't believe that it has always been to three decimal points. I don't understand why it would just automatically just change. Imagine if they did that with, like, batting average or ERA.

Oh, my God. Baseball fans would lose their minds. You have a whole bunch of old guys going with their canes. And Jesse. No. Hey. By the way, random question that has to do with baseball. Hugh Darvish, who was a free agent, by the way,

apparently he lost Game 3 and Game 7 in the World Series because he was tipping his pitches. What does that mean? There was a tell. It's a batter. So there was something he was doing in his movement that told him which pitch was coming. Because a lot of times, if you're throwing a fastball or you're throwing a knuckleball or a curveball, you've got to move your hand differently in your glove to get the grip.

So if a batter sees you moving your hand around your glove, he's like, oh, maybe a curveball is coming. But a lot of pitchers, they go through the same motion, so you can't tell what they're doing. But I guess Darvish had some sort of tell where he was moving his hand a little extra to get a grip on a curveball. Baseball. Baseball, dog. If you're into micro, micro, micro, micro, micro, that's why I've started to appreciate it so much more in recent years. I'm like, that's insane.

So the field dimensions are different depending on where you play. But it's the same sport. Micro, micro, micro. It's crazy. Hey, we'll get to the stand. Where were we? We were just talking about the decimal point thing. But here's back to the original, which is Carl's.

Oh, that's right. I was going to go back to the standings. You have 10 players, 10 players that have some sort of protection. That's a lot of players with a lot of protection. No, let me tell you as a Leafs fan, that is a recipe for success. And good for the Sens. We have been there. Why is it just 10?

Why couldn't it be the whole team? They should all be protected. Yeah, you breached double digits, why not more? Now, do you think they'll be, and this is going to take guts, do you think they'll have the guts to go through a rebuild? Or will they wait too long? because here's what I think they should do which is trade Carlson as soon as you can

and get as much as you can get as much as you can for Carlson and strip it down and do your rebuild that's what I think you should do what I think they will do is absolutely nothing they'll stay the course and they'll lose Carlson to free agency that's what I think is going to happen not a chance

somebody's going to sign him you're telling me somebody wouldn't come in and offer him 13 or 14 million dollars the Senators absolutely cannot He will for sure get outbid. That's why if they have a brain inside their skull casing, they will trade him at latest next year's trade deadline. At absolute latest.

Ooh, ooh, I'm so looking forward to the draft. What if that's a story for the draft? Eric Carlson? Like, okay, with the whole Matt Duchesne thing. Would you give up? No, this wouldn't make sense. Go ahead. Go ahead.

It's a long podcast, Adam. Go ahead. No one's giving up Rasmus Dahlen for Eric Carlson because that wouldn't make sense, right? If you're building a team. Wow, the first overall pick? No. No.

That wouldn't make sense. Unless the only way that makes any sense is if a team that is clearly not that bad, like Tampa last year, misses the playoffs and wins the draft lottery. I know what happens. What? Oh, Jesse's got it.

All right. Edmonton gets the number one overall pick. Nope. They trade it. We're done. For Eric Carlson. Can you imagine that? Well, they'd only be able to have him for one year

because they can't afford him. Doesn't matter, McDavid Carlson. That'd be pretty scary. That'd be pretty freaking scary. I'm looking a name up. I can't. I think his name is Jason Bro. I don't know how to say his last name.

He's over at Dirty TSN, so boo, boo. But he was like, can we all agree that if the Oilers get Dolan, we just cancel the league? Like, it's over. It's done. We're done now. Well, they will win the lottery.

No. They're going to win the lottery. And then they get Carlson. The most upsetting thing to me Is the moment I realized That there's nothing wrong with the NHL draft lottery And it's just the Oilers Got astoundingly

Immeasurably lucky If they get that again Yeah I don't know I don't know how much we need this sport I think just throw it away Throw the whole sport away If they get done Remember it's still the Oilers

And they'll still screw it up I'm not saying Uh-oh, the Oilers, look out, new dynasty coming I'm like, oh, what a shame for Dolan And what could have been an amazing career And what will turn into a fantastic KHL career I just wouldn't come over A great career in New Jersey

Yes Wow All right After he gets traded for, who is it going to be? Sammy Vatnin We found it No, because Vatnin's a defenseman See, they've traded their forward depth to fill defensive holes.

So now they don't have speed up. I think it's Palmieri. Character. Yeah. Beard, maybe? Sometimes. Could be. Another good player who just will have their career just forever measured against the accomplishments of another.

It's a great way to run your team. Again, as a Leaf fan, highly recommend it. So both of you don't see a way that Eric Carlson isn't traded from the Senators? No, I don't think they can afford him. You know what I can tell you? I'm going to hope that he does resign. You know why? Because it'll be a Carey Price anchor around your neck deal.

They will never be bad enough with him to rebuild fully. Look at them now. Well, they are pretty bad. But it doesn't, to me, I would even question, if he came to the Leafs, he'd be phenomenal, right? Yeah, it's not going to happen. But then, he's 29 or he's 30, and you have to sign him to an eight-year deal. Well, that's okay.

It's Eric Carlson. If Carlson becomes a Leaf... It'd be insane. You just fold the Sens, right? Like, they're done. You can't... There's no coming back from that. None.

You're finished forever. Is he dead in Ottawa? Is he, like, dead to rights in Ottawa? He's never even acknowledged? Kind of like Danny Ely? No, here's why he's dead. Sorry, here's not why he's dead. Here's why the Sens are just dead.

if he were to go to the Leafs, fans would like him too much to hate him. So they would just hate their own team. And become Leaf fans again. Because they all were. You're canceled. The Senators are canceled if Carlson joins the Leafs. But I don't think that's going to happen.

But they're canceled. Tarp off every seat. They're canceled. I think at the end of the day, the Senators trying to quote-unquote rattle his cage is literally the dumbest thing you could do. And what a surprise Eugene Melnick

Flipped his lid About something I think It's such a shame Because like I don't know I feel like Dorian's Done some smart things

Yes Having the Sens farm team Selfishly to me In Belleville Is a really smart decision Brilliant Just down the road

I mean Just down the road It's a lot closer Than Binghamton Isn't it amazing What the difference 30 games make Because 30 games ago

We were like Wow they were one game Away from the Stanley Cup Finals When the Sens Beat the Leafs Six What was it To four

Something like that earlier in the season I was like this This freaking team How do you beat these guys? They're the Leafs boogeyman How do you do it? I made a whole LFR video Where I was like

You can't even talk shit about these guys Pay that man his money Because You gotta give them their due And now look at them Shocking Shocking I don't get it

I don't get what No, we'll see what happens in the next 30 games But They've dug themselves a bit of a hole They can still get out of it I've also been getting an education in analytics recently because I was looking at the Leafs analytics. It's an ongoing education, but I was looking at,

not really the Leafs analytics, but this is as deep as my monkey brain goes. I was looking at their PDO, which is very high, and their possession, which is actually not very good. It's middle of the pack to lower middle. Doesn't surprise me. Yeah. Those two things usually combine for eventual collapse down to earth.

But now there's this new thing As I'm just getting my head wrapped around this crap I think it's XGF And I think that's expected goals for No idea what magic and wizardry They use to measure that No idea but apparently they're like a top 10 team In the league with regards to that

Yeah good for them How many XGFs do you have? One Just the one, Jesse? A couple That's it That's all we're going to get from Jesse. We will never know their names.

We will never know where they reside or what they do or anything. Just know that they've existed. They're all famous. They're all famous. But enough about Lana Del Rey. Yeah, anyway, speaking of Carlson going to the Oilers or the Oilers getting the first-round pick, is it just me?

I've got a question here. Do we only notice Conor McDavid when the Leafs play the Oilers because he's Conor McDavid? or is it because we noticed Conor McDavid because nobody's that good around him? To me, when I was watching on Sunday, everybody talked about how great Conor McDavid was. He was.

And, you know, Curtis McElhinney stopping that shorthanded breakaway. Man, that was a big moment. Ten shots or something he had. But what I didn't recognize was where Leon Dreisaitl was. You know, it's funny. Like, $9 million Leon Dreisaitl. Where's he at? This is why I think you gotta respect, like, analysts and people who do analytics for a living.

Because sports fans, by nature, have a very, very short attention span. Sure. All playoffs long. Dry sidle, dry sidle, dry sidle. He was the guy putting the puck in the net. Not as much McDavid. And if he was talked about, it was, you know, how he's not scoring as much as dry sidle. Eberle, whenever the Oilers lost, they're like, Eberle, he's really screwing it up.

But whenever they won, it was all Dreisaitl. And, you know, were you about to say that, like, you didn't notice Dreisaitl? I specifically messaged you guys and said, I did not, did Leon Dreisaitl play tonight? And I knew he had, but like. Has he caught any grief this season at all? I don't think so. What did he ever do to get, what did he ever do to sit at the, you can sit with us table? What, like, is he best friends with Chris Russell?

That's my only theory My only theory When did Drysaddle score On his own net? I need to know How many hockey men Approve of Leon Drysaddle's game? No you're 100% right Adam

McDavid was the Friggin Tasmanian devil All game Unbelievable Like Last year when the Oilers When things were going well

McDavid was great But the whole team Was great to watch Also Sure yeah They were exciting This was him trying to Single handedly

Will a win For the Oilers He almost did it Do you want a stat to back that up? Yeah. So offensive zone puck possession for Connor McDavid. Two minutes and six seconds. Okay.

Wow. One guy. Wait, one guy? Offensive zone puck possession. He took a 30th of the game. Two minutes and six seconds. One guy. The next closest player, Tyler Bozak.

Oh, man. Who has been great since getting the shits in Vancouver? he held the puck in the offensive zone for 35 seconds so there you go like he's insane he's almost

four times better than the next human being on ice not even teammate wow that's amazing wow

how didn't they win oh my god that's from the TSM broadcast so credit them I gotta say man like that's that's the thing

it's is Connor McDavid really that good or and he is really that good but when you watch him play he's so breathtaking because it's almost like

there's no team playing with him and like when you see him break into the zone I bet you for the majority of those two minutes forgive me if I'm wrong here

and I'm sure Oilers fans will back me up because they've been watching this all year what I see is Connor McDavid leading the charge and then

Milan Lucci's going who can keep up with him no one can support him no one can get into the zone he's always alone against three guys it's so funny

like I mean you tend your eyes tend to watch the team that you're cheering for. It's so watching, it's so funny watching the Leafs play any regular game, and then the second McDavid is on the edge, because there's nothing, what

strategy do you have to stop the fastest player to have ever existed? You don't have one. No one does that. No. Did you see that crazy drill that trainer Matt Nickel has McDavid do in the

offseason? No, what's he do? So, In terms of, like, 100-meter dash sprinting, he trains with a few other guys. I want to say Wayne Simmons was definitely one, and I want to say Sam Bennett was another, but I might be wrong there. They're faster than he is, straight line. But he has this drill where you run, you begin your sprint, and then at a certain distance, there's two lights. One of them lights up

And you have to run Towards that side And around Like a certain thing McDavid murders Everybody He The way

His brain just Processes things Faster than Any regular human Yeah it's It's absolutely ridiculous I learned that From 30 thoughts

I just remembered While I was Mid thing But watching the Leafs Go okay we gotta get Kadri out Gotta get Kadri out Gotta get Kadri out

And then they get Kadri out And they're like okay It still wasn't that effective But okay It did okay It did okay but then the second McDavid found

you know McClellan found a way to get him on the ice against someone else holy shit holy shit holy shit how do you stop that?

how do you stop that? how do you have that on your team and not be first place? I don't know man I don't understand well and that's that's what I

has got to be the frustration on an entry level deal by the way oh yeah he's still on an entry level deal but that's got to be the frustration for Oilers fans like how

I mean and for Connor himself like what is he supposed to do? like how much more does one guy need to do? Control the puck for three minutes. He might have made it happen. What I was going to say about Drysaddle, to your point,

he had, I think, a scoring chance in the third period, and I was like, oh, there he is. That was probably the first time I noticed. That's not $9 million to me. $9 million is dominant. Oh, Adam, he's eight-something. $8 million is

dominant, dominant, dominant. $8 million is more, with the $8 million he's making, is more than Stephen Stamkos. No. Really? Yeah, doesn't Stephen Stamkos make eight flat? Oh, my God. You know what?

You know what's good about the Stephen Stamkos deal, other than for Lightning fans? He was right. He was right. He was right. He picked the right team. He picked the right price to get the right teammates. He was right.

Like, I hope other stars around the league go, you know what? Smart. Stamkos is at 8-5. and Drysaddle is at 8-5. That's not the same. They're not the same player, you're saying? No.

That's crazy. The salary says the same. It's amazing. They're exactly the same. It's amazing what money does. Exact same parents. They are the same guy. It's amazing what money does.

It's Lindsay Lohan, the parent trap. It's amazing what money does. Drysaddle is one of the best players in the league, probably. He's top 50, certainly. And we're talking about him like he's a bum Because he makes too much That's funny Clarkson would have been great in this city

If he made like, I don't know, two and a half If he played But let's not pretend Remember that Remember that Adam, your point Let's not pretend Leandro Isadl is having a banner year What are his numbers?

Because I feel like that was part of the reason They hiccuped at the beginning of the season Is he was out Got it Didn't they start okay? Like didn't they destroy teams in the first couple games or something? Shooting percentage is 12-7 21 points in 26 games

That's good That's good Yeah That's really good He's almost point a game Yeah That's not bad What are you shrugging at Adam?

He's about the same pace as last year where he was 77 and 82 See Okay I think I know what Adam's getting at Even though he hasn't said a word yet Those are Those are good to great numbers he's getting world destroyer money

those aren't world destroying numbers yes Jesse I think that's what it costs for a 22 year old who can put up 77 points

no I don't think so I don't I mean you could make the argument cause Austin Matthews in 26 games is 26 points

that I mean what's the difference plays center regularly I still again Why don't they play him at center all the time? I would

McDavid, Dreisaitl, Nugent Who stops that? Who in this league? And you have good wingers there There's some talent Mike Camilleri Former 40 goal scorer That was something that was definitely exposed in that game

I'm like, whoa There is not a whole lot else Well, you got like Paddy Maroon Lou Cheech Big rig Lou Cheech Who's definitely Going to get better

Yeah Ryan Strong You know what's Who we are V I would take Is this Their way This podcast

Has to be impossible To listen to For Oilers fans Oh they're probably Yelling at us right now They're the new team That we find a way To bring up every show

Yeah Now this one's fair They just played the Leafs When is it not fair They've been a story This year They should be doing well And also Cam Talbot's out

So that's not fair And Laurent Boussois did a good job Maybe it just sticks out Because we took like a year hiatus From beating them up We took a one year hiatus We never beat them up We were like hey man

I don't think we beat them up now Yeah we felt the same Listen are we saying anything that's untrue I'm just saying No Listen Leon Dreisaitl is a great hockey player But am I saying that

They for sure gave in When they shouldn't have Yeah I think they're paying him What you have to pay him In this market Because I think anybody would pay a 22 year old

who will put up 70 points a year 8 million dollars could be right yeah especially with the salary cap going up I don't think that deal

is going to look so bad no you're right he can only get better right the thing yeah the thing about deals is

the day they're signed they're their most expensive right you know what Jesse with the good rational take Jesse with the good take

Jesse with the good take anyway I just didn't notice him there um yeah well it's like I don't know Yeah

Ideally they signed him For less but they didn't But you're right You're right The value Will go down Or No

It will The value will go up The question is Of him Can he Can he put up those numbers Without being on Connor McDavid's wing

I would say That's probably The best place for him What Connor McDavid's wing No Not on Connor McDavid's wing Oh man

It would be great To see what he can do It makes the Oilers A deeper team Instantly And then all of a sudden, like, all the wingers they have look better. They're playing with better

players. You know what I mean? Drake Kajula, Anton Slepyshev, and the like. I'm just gonna go ahead and name the whole Oilers roster. They got some players that can make a racket. Kassian's annoying. Yep.

It was sort of a dumb hook on Josh Levo, though. That might have been the dumbest penalty I've seen in this year. He's a little bit legitimately crazy, but, like, he's, I mean, Every team's got one of those Kara looked good Who?

Hmm? Which one? Did I not say her name was Kara? Jujar Oh, Kara Yeah I thought you said Kara I'm like, no he didn't

No, Kara He was in the box Or he was in the press box I thought he looked good, man I was like impressed I was tweeting I thought Oilers fans Really dodged a bullet there

When they lost Griffith Instead Or Griffin Instead of Kara In the expansion draft I remember saying on the podcast when we got to our teams

I go I take Jujar Kara now imagine how bad they look without him oh man and you might go what he's a depth again Leaf fan here you need that you need that

remember when the Leafs paid a very expensive price for 33 games of Brian Boyle because they didn't have that yeah you need that some actual Leafs leaks from Elliot Friedman there have been rumors

that Brendan Shanahan wants to bring back the band in Toronto that is keep everyone in the front office in the same positions for at least one more season but there's no confirmation and a real desire to keep this kind of information very quiet obviously

Lou is on his last year I can't see any reason why that wouldn't happen me neither and I saw some Leaf fans panicking that this means the Leafs are going to hire Dubas or sorry, lose Dubas why is this the straw that breaks the camel's back there

really? like surely He's got 40 years of a career left. Like, it's not, like, oh, man. I feel like, dude, listen, why not just hang in here for another year, and then, like, we understand that we're veering from the plan a little bit, but things are going really well. What's the record for oldest human? Like, Lou Amarillo's, what, is he going to be 75?

Yeah. At the beginning of next season? Wasn't he 73 when he was hired? He's an old man. Like he's going to retire man He's going to retire I don't know I just No I need to go to the avalanche now

No Yeah he's 75 right now So next October he'll be 76 Come on One more year? I'd do one more year Literally one Yeah

But he'll like bully time into making him older though Like Lou Amorello will know He'll be like 140 He'll be like how does he do it? With more Stanley Cup rings than fingers. Lou, death's coming for you. Death wouldn't dare.

At this point, do we say... You're 140. How'd you do it? I'm not at liberty to... We like to keep it internal. Oh, my God! He has a secret to longevity! He has a secret...

The Fountain of Youth, Lou! Please tell us! No, that's... Sorry, it's an NDA. Yeah, no comment. The Grim Reaper is found on LTIO. Now that we've successfully questioned everybody beyond the

you know Connor McDavid in the Oilers organization and probably I'm not done fire Tom O'Connor pissed off an entire fan base I do want them to do well

I maintain that I want the Oilers to do well the fans deserve it and I also no no you're not into it I'm into it

some fans deserve it okay I need to talk to I need to talk to good Oilers fans right now I know it's gonna be hard for you to see this from the outside

But you have no idea How fascinatingly entertaining this is From my perspective You have no idea There's woke Oilers Twitter That every day Gets out the biggest drum in the world And just pounds that thing

Talking about all the issues that there are All the mistakes the team have made The mistakes they're going to make They're on the verge of making Why they're bad Why things aren't working and there are deroves of Oilers

fans who watch them lose. Watch them with their eyes. Who go, No! Absolutely not, nerd shithead moron! Don't you dare talk about my amazing team that's great and not

losing all the time. How dare you? Oh, I can't wait to see what... Because they just had their thing taken away. They were just given their toy. They were just given their toy They were just given the playoffs And now they don't want to admit And I don't blame them

That it may not happen this year Can you imagine the Oilers don't go to the playoffs this year? Jesse, can you look something up for me? Did the Oilers pay a second round pick for Peter Chiarelli? I'm pretty sure It would be a third, wouldn't it? No Second?

I think it was a second I think, I know the Leafs gave up two thirds They did not The Edmonton Oilers currently have all of their draft picks through 2020 But Like did they maybe Already lose that pick? Cause like the Leafs

Already lost one of their picks For last year Yeah maybe I don't know Cause the Leafs had to pay A third for Lou And a third for Babcock I'm pretty sure

The cost for Chiarelli was a second To Boston And I think that might be Part of the reason how Boston got those Three consecutive First round picks

that one year I think they did I don't know Oilers good Oilers fans woke Oilers fans woke Oilers Twitter I'm

I'm so sorry I'm so sorry but I have no other option but to thoroughly enjoy this it's

fascinating from the outside again here I know what I know what being the cartoony joke looks like and

it's so good not being that mmm But I want them not to be. I want the Oilers to win, man. I want them to win. But it's so good. I want McDavid versus Matthews.

First off, I want Matthews to play when that happens. You know what? But I want it to be good. There's so many people on Twitter where I'm like, God, every time the Oilers lose, my heart just bleeds for you. I feel so bad. And all the comments below it are people who I'm like, Not an ounce of sympathy.

I hope your team loses 82 consecutive games next year. You deserve it. Despite relieving the Bruins of outstanding salary obligations to their fired GM, Shrelly's acquisition by the Oilers came at an additional cost as the Canadian club was forced to part with a second-round draft pick under the NHL's wrong-headed executive compensation policy. What a dumb policy that was. Okay, rock-headed?

Who wrote this? This is from the Edmonton Journal. Stauffer? Bruce McCurdy. Ah, Bruce McCurdy. I met him when I was in Edmonton a few years ago. There you go. Hey, speaking of Edmonton.

Well, I was going to ask, Steve, how did you score the majority of your NHL goals? You know, you said all this stuff, and I just wanted to know how you scored the majority of your NHL goals. I told you guys Mark Spector was on fire, and boy, did he light things up. Can you explain the entire situation? Well, okay, Justin Bourne from The Athletic said, My least favorite breakaway move is backhand five-hole. Even when it works, it's the goalie's fault. So many more effective moves.

And that was in response to Connor McDavid's backhand five-hole move, I believe, on McElhinney. McElhinney played brilliantly because he opened up, but had a stick down. So Bourne tweeted that on, what was it, that would have been Sunday? Sunday, and then two hours later, Mark Spector responds, How did you score the majority of your NHL goals? Forgetting the fact that... He tweeted at him directly, right? Yeah, oh yeah.

And Justin Bourne, remember, did play in the AHL. ECHL AHL I think he had an NHL exhibition game His dad was Bob Bourne Cups And then Spector apologized I know

He did apologize He did He said And I believe He said the response He didn't mean to disparage Justin's hockey playing career But what I liked about the apology

Is he didn't apologize for The remark itself Yeah that's what I didn't like either So oh I didn't realize Justin had the hockey-playing acumen that he did when I made that comment. The actual apology would be, you know what? I shouldn't talk that way to people who have an opinion about hockey. Yeah.

Do you want me to read it verbatim? Yeah, read it verbatim. All right. An apology to JT Bourne for my shoddy tweet. I had no knowledge of his college-slash-pro hockey career when I questioned his NHL goal-scoring acumen. My ignorance. As such, the tweet unfairly disparaged his hockey career. My fault entirely.

Poor work on my part, Justin. Apologies. Now, uh... And he deleted the previous tweet. He got ratioed hard. He got ratioed so hard. I don't know exactly how hard, because they took away one of the decimal points,

but he got ratioed very hard. Between 10 and 50. I asked someone after that happened I go wait is he just taking the piss

and like he knows Bourne they go no and I go the balls the balls man imagine the balls

oh Speck I just think too it was another it was sort of like when I first read Ken Campbell's tweet when I just

I see it and I go you're about to have a bad night you're about to have a terrible time yep There's only one way this can end

Here's what this comes on the heels of And this is what's so interesting Is Mark Spector not the head of the Professional Hockey Writers Association Yeah, and I would love to know Sorry, go ahead We're walking down the same path Were they not complaining about a harmless

Harmless tweet From the Vegas Golden Knights Not two days earlier I disagree, I disagree that it's harmless But we'll get to that Harmless tweet. It's harmless. It's Twitter.

Good lord. We'll get to that. A harmless tweet, in my opinion, from the Vegas Golden Knights not two days before about players from a specific team, Nashville being the team, sorry, journalists from covering Nashville being fans of Nashville. Yeah, that was Friday. Yeah. And I know because I read it on the train.

Yeah, oh my god. If you tweet something like that. It's like 48 hours. This harmless tweet from Vegas. Allegedly. Allegedly. which you know understandably I think pissed off a lot of people

and then you have a guy coming in and then I just wonder what the you can't be expected to be a journalist all the time if you're a journalist I don't think can you but like I don't know if you're a pizza delivery guy do you just like mid delivery

go to the mall you're a pizza delivery guy do your job I'm just wondering what the what's the debate there is there a debate or is it just I'll tell you what it is well it's definitely

I think it's hard to be a beat reporter for a shitty team oh my god I can't imagine it's hard and I say that

Oilers fans go what listen I think it's hard to be a beat reporter for a shitty team having seen Leaf fans

it's or sorry Leaf fans Leaf reporters Hell of a Freudian slip there Having seen people who cover the team On a beat The years before Austin Matthews

The year they finished Last I mean, I don't think that's actually That hard Really, you're writing You know They were expected to be bad You're writing about the rebuild and how it's going

You're writing about how individual players Are doing, the young guys Puff pieces You're writing about how the guys who are definitely going to get traded At the deadline are good guys I don't think that's hard The horror check Of 55 game run

Was murder on those guys What do you talk about You can't There's a certain beauty To being able to do what I do Because I get to Jump off the walls and do little Sketches with toys

And put on an army hat and a tank and get into televised arguments with Nick Caprio, it's hilarious. It's a silly, goofy, dumb life. If you're a beat reporter, what do you do other than talk about 55 games of endless shit? That's what that was.

They won 11 times in 55 games. Endless, merciless shit. And I had a reporter come up to me. They shall remain nameless. At the beginning of the next season And they went Oh my god It's so nice to meet you

And I'm like What the Good to meet you What the They're like Your videos Are the only thing That got me through last season

I go really Me and my wife Oh wow Watch me Watch them after every game This is someone who talks to these guys On a regular basis It's hard to cover a shitty team

So he Do you think that's just frustration then And it was just It came out in the moment Heat of the moment Toronto media Justin's Toronto media And they're probably

Like had enough of us Going wow This team is so great Check out the Marlies And how great they are Here's another piece On how great the team is And some people

Miscontrude some of the stuff I said about King Campbell As excusing it I'm not I'm simply trying to be like Okay where did this come from Right Bad is bad is bad

So we mark it up To frustration Any apology Mark it up We specter you late That it was that it was some frustration and that, you know, people make mistakes

and we've all tweeted dumb things, right? It's hard when you've, I think, not just endless shit, like imagine a decade of shit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Then a goal away from third round of the playoffs. Then back to...

That's so hard. So, you guys are okay with Vegas' tweet? I, listen... He is. Can I just read the... Let's read it out again. Vegas tweeted, the other team scored and reporters covering their team started clapping. And then they did a little half smiley face, you know, where you're kind of like.

Yeah. The side eye? Yeah. Okay. And then Jim Diamond tweeted this. On behalf of the Nashville media, we thought it was important to request an apology and retraction from Vegas for their irresponsible tweet. Below is the copy sent to their media relations department. And the copy sent to them was, I'm writing this on behalf of the Professional Hockey Writers Association chapter of Nashville, as well as our entire media corpse.

We take exception to the irresponsible tweet copied below. And then the tweet is disrespectful to our credentialed media, and we would like a public apology in retraction from the Golden Knights Twitter account. I mean, I can see why. Oh, I can see why. I was ready for a fight. The tweet was a little offensive. Well, I mean, it calls into question their integrity. And a journalist's integrity is what they have.

That's all they have. And I think I get that. And it's really, it called their integrity into question for really no reason. It was just a tweet to get some retweets, right? What if they weren't lying? What if there was somebody there clapping? Oh, I wouldn't think that would happen. I don't know.

You ever been in a press box for a game? No, I've never been. It is eerily quiet. Like, it's uncomfortable. So it was a bad joke. It was a bad joke. And that's why I thought it was harmless. I'm like, ah, it's a bad joke.

I've seen a reporter cheer in a press box. What? You have not. It was a Marlies press box, though. And it was years ago. Years ago. In an NHL press box, never. Never. Never.

They barely bat an eye when a goal is scored. Never. I mean, I've only had... I've had very few opportunities. Right. But even the World Cup of Hockey. None of that. Unless they were completely...

I have seen it, but it wasn't a reporter. It was like they were decked out in the team's gear, and it's clearly like someone who just works for one of the teams. One thing I've heard is that at the Olympics, all of that is out the window. And other countries openly cheer for their countries. Yeah, that is shocking. Oh, and the World Cup too.

Wasn't there a viral video of like the Italian guy crying? Yeah, just jumping. That was the last World Cup. Journalists, they throw it out the window for the Olympics. Who knows? Based on your culture, based on what the standards and practices are in your particular country. I understand why

it offended them I just thought so irresponsible I thought yes irresponsible for sure but what I thought the my reaction

in saying it's harmless is to the massive response on Twitter about it it was a little much which was like again all I could think of

was you going there's stories about excuse me everybody but our integrity was called into question not the natural ninja

That's what I was like Oh my god And then every team All we have In this profession Is our integrity Every media member From every market

Had to weigh in and go I am not a fan No not I And I was like Oh my god Like we Guys It was a tweet

It was a tweet Listen I understand Nashville I understand the Nashville media Wanting to get the retraction I get that But At a certain point

Are we not overanalyzing it Nobody's accusing Every Every journalist that ever existed and picked up a pen and paper and a keyboard to say, you're all fans. Wait, no one's accusing who? The journalist?

Who, me? Again, I'm sitting there on the train and I just go, hmm, they're about to have a bad time. They're about to have a very bad time. I guess the reaction, I understand, because I guess if your own personal credibility's brought into question, but there

was a lot of people weighing in who really had nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing to do with it. It was three things. But I, too, am a journalist. It was the perfect storm. Yeah. You called a journalist's integrity into question? Why?

I am a journalist! How dare you, sir! Dish! Um, now, okay. Was that a glove slap? That was a, no, it was just a straight-up back-up. No, just dish. Okay.

Skip the skip. There was three things. There was three big problems, okay? One It was a joke that bombed Which happens all the time Listen to this show That we are the show that bombs

You know how many times I listen back To this show and there is A silence that is maybe Eight tenths of a second and I just go Oof We should have a bad joke playback Like we just pick out the bad jokes over the course of the last month It's just an audience booing

Boo No, it's one guy Okay, it was a joke that bombed And it's hard Everyone rips on the Vegas Twitter account It's hard to create They're trying to create a personality Yeah, they've gone a very tough angle

Where the Leafs every now and then Will throw in a little bit of personality But it's mostly just But remember, the Leafs don't need to No, they don't really need to They're the freaking Leafs, man Vegas is brand new Their Twitter

The Leafs Twitter and Vegas' Twitter represent their teams. The personality that those teams are trying to have. The Leafs are trying to be, we're all about winning here. Trying to develop a culture of winning. And we're all about winning. Why did you go Barack Obama?

I didn't mean to. You did. That was a little bit, I just wanted to say that we're going to win the cup. Matthews is going to get first. And we're going to give it to Tyler Bozak III, as we discussed on that clip that you uploaded recently.

I don't do a good Barack. That's not bad. That's not bad, man. I like it. I believe it. It's good. I like it. You work on that for like a couple days?

Yeah. 10 out of 10. All right. Yeah. You're only- SNL, here I come. Damn it. That won't cause problems.

That won't be a terrible mistake. So anyway, the Leafs are all about winning and professionalism and highs on the prize. Vegas, I mean, Sin City. They're trying to be all about fun. They're trying to be nothing but jokes. And the thing about putting jokes out there all the time Is some of them suck This one bombed

The other thing There was three things, right? So there's one That's one That's one, too The other thing Did you not see during the playoffs last year How much the entire hockey media world especially

Adores Nashville? That's why That's part of the Okay, so We were part of that Absolutely There were two reasons why everyone came out and supported. The first was, who, me?

The second was, no one talks about the Nashville media that way. Those are my friends. Nobody puts Nashville in a corner. No one puts Nashville in the corner. I went to a bar with cowboy boots and a wood floor with those people. How dare you? I went to a bar where there was like a table with salt on it and we played a game. I forget what it was called.

Shuffleboard. Yeah. I saw there was a real still functioning jukebox we put $20 in it and danced until the sun came up how dare you the third

thing could Vegas have gotten away with that joke if it was about the Toronto media no I think the I think it would have been worse the backlash would have been

from Toronto And it would have been 10 times worse You think so? Yeah I don't know the answer to that I'm going to stay neutral I don't know Fans of other teams would have found it funny

Edmonton, Calgary All the Canadian teams, for sure Sens fans? Hyuck, hyuck, hyuck Slapping their knee till it's red It would have been at very least a It would have been at least a nose laugh Yeah

Because, ah, Toronto Media and their home There's an implied thing about the Toronto media, okay? That, well, at the same time, it's a hard place to play, and they're homers. Can't be both, folks. Can't be, well, maybe again. There's enough media members that it could be, I guess. But there's an implied thing. What about if they made that joke about the Oilers media?

We make that joke every show. What's it going to take to criticize Chris Russell? And that was a relatively recent thing. If Vegas goes, oh, yeah, the Oilers media was clapping in the press box, I'd have laughed. Would you? I still think the media would have gotten upset. Oh, the Oilers media would have.

Yeah, and I think there's so much more Toronto media that more people would have gotten upset. Do you think... Just Toronto, though. They wouldn't be randomly coming out of Montreal and defending. But I think there's so much Toronto media that it would seem triple full. But the fans would back them up, at very least. The fans of other teams.

Toronto fans would have been still as upset as Nashville fans. Who hates the Toronto media more than Toronto fans? It's true, man. They love them and they hate them. Like, oh, friggin' Kiprios and this guy. I get people telling me, like, tell Kiprios this and that and the other. I'm like, man, I know him. Yeah.

What's Kiprios like? I don't like him. Always. Always. He's awesome. Honestly, I don't know if you don't like his opinions or not, but he's a really great guy. But I don't like him.

Tell me about him. But it's like Mark Spector. If you base your likes on Mark Spector's Twitter, he seems like a cantankerous guy, but when you meet him, he's really nice. He's like, oh, just a really warm dude. Yeah, we got to have him on the show. Oh, yeah.

No, and the third thing, well, sorry, this was in the middle of the third thing. It was Nashville. If you say that about the Leafs fans, or sorry, Leafs media again, Oilers media maybe even some Habs media just because they're known as so kooky

sometimes parts of them, I think you get away with that joke but Nashville? I don't know anything about them they just seem like quiet yeah, why are you picking on sweet old Nashville? yeah, quiet

professional pros yeah, yeah Jim Diamond, Adam Vingen and just kind of put their head down and do their job? Like, why them? Like, if you picked your spot there, it might have worked. You still might have had to apologize for it in the end. But fans en masse would have been like, come on!

And at very least, you have fan support, which is what they're going for. Well, what I loved was the general outrage. and yet Vegas was the only account that made the claim no fans were going, or at least from what I saw no fans were going, yeah like agreeing with it most fans were like, oh ha ha

they sure caught those media guys like it was like one Twitter account made that thing and it felt like the entire industry had to respond, it was like okay guys it was a little much it was just okay, we get it and there was another shitty thing about that whole thing is, so you made the point

right at the beginning, rightfully so that this was two days or sorry the specter thing to uh justin happened two days after the phwa requested uh an apology from a hockey team right but people were i guess i guess it was after the whole specter born thing we're going oh the phwa can dish it out but they can't take it, and all this stuff. And I'm like, wait, again, again. Mark Spector does not represent that whole organization. No, and you know how many people are in the PHWA?

Yeah, there's a lot. It's crazy. There's a lot of people, a lot of people. And again, what does this have to do with Nashville? If it was a Nashville writer that went after Bourne, yeah, that would make sense. If Jim Diamond was like, yeah, Justin Bourne, well, your backhand sucks.

That's no match for my back hands. I call it the diamond back cuz it'll get you The diamond back no Yeah No one is a match for Jim Diamondback diamond Why did I make him into like Jake? No, I Don't know why the diamond back will get you It will get you.

I don't know why. Get it because it's like a snake or something, I think. Or is it a spider? I don't remember. I don't think a diamond back is a thing. I think the Arizona Diamondbacks. It's got to mean something. It's not the back of a diamond.

I don't think. To all the writers who do listen to this show, let me just say this. We love you! We know you guys. I'm kidding. Yeah, no. It's a fucking hard gig. And I have all the respect in the world for people who do it.

How many of them right now are going, I'm not going to take shit from some asshole who works from home in his pajamas? Well, that's fine. Whatever, listen. In his empire of toys. Like a diamond back. Is it a snake? It's a rattlesnake. Yeah.

It'll get you. It'll get you. The chip diamond back diamond backhander. Yeah. The diamond backhander. The diamond back. All right. It'll get you.

No, if he had said it. Can we sell t-shirts that say the diamond backhander? Yeah. And give him NONE of those! Have you used the snake on him? None! The Diamondback will get ya! And put Jim's face on it?

But just, like, cartoonize a little bit. And copyright, it's fine. And then sell socks. Diamondback socks. Diamondback socks. Back socks. We'll just call them back socks? Back so- same- Alright, so Diamondback socks coming next Christmas.

If he had said something, it would have been- We'll rush order those right now. The people shall have their diamond back socks. They'll get you. They'll get you. Oh, go out and get them before they get you. Back socks. Diamond back socks.

Diamond back socks. Yeah, but once they're popular enough, people will shorten it to back socks. But the full official name is Jim Diamond Back Socks. Yes. yeah if he had said it I would understand that criticism but to lump the whole PHWA oh that's crazy

it's dumb and by the way I just want to say again as I was about to say before Diamondbacks we genuinely genuinely I'm reading 10-15 articles a day I'm reading tons

I have so much respect for members of the PWHA Members who are not Who still write It is a tough gig And I understand Being upset about About that On behalf of other colleagues

But Let's all take a break It's a bad joke And bombed And sometimes And I just kept waiting For somebody to say Well that was a bad joke

And it bombed Well okay Then I guess it's number four It's a bad joke It bombed Wrong subject And they just did That Boston thing

Oh yeah With the Ted reference That everyone got upset about Where they put all the Well that was That was like a month And a half ago man That was a while ago

It happens How many Twitter accounts do you hear getting in trouble? This is the only one, and this is the second one. And that one, that one, the first one, was so boneheaded and stupid. Like, how did you not see that coming, you freaking dummy? Come on. You have all the leash in the world.

You're a brand new team. And then with that one tweet, your leash is shortened. And now what? And now the standard is retract. That's two retractions before Christmas. That's pretty good. that's probably two more than

every other NHL Twitter account that's true the Kings are the ones with real personalities too right yeah people I was trying to think

people got mad at them but I don't think they ever had to apologize yeah no and they shouldn't have no double down unless I'm forgetting something

double down when you're wrong double down anyway yeah let's move on to the Canucks which I was trying to do about 25 minutes ago

because we've just pissed off the entire Oilers fan base and probably media too I want to talk about We should have him on At what point Oh I want to have him on And I want to know

What's wrong with the Oilers In his view And I want him to say Things like The Oilers just quit But Canucks Canucks At this point

Do we say Great run Canucks It might be over Okay so What has their record Been of late Well they lost It's difficult to keep up

Five to one last night But they currently sit Didn't Besser have the one though Yeah He's still amazing 16th They're 14-3-4 They've got 32 points

If you were to put them In the Eastern Conference They would be Like if they were to put them In the Atlantic Division They'd be in a playoff spot But the West is harder than that They're two

They're two points out Of a playoff spot They're two and three In their last Five It's funny But there's There's been a

They've lost three in a row In their four, five, and one In their last I know we're And Horvat's out, right? And Horvat's out Yeah For a while

I know we're I know we're We're past the Jesse point of too early Which is American Thanksgiving But For a fringe playoff team Is it too early To be saying those sort of things

Might be too early I just wanted to ask I'm asking the question Yeah Is this the point or do we Having Horvat out is bad That's very bad Do you think they're exactly where they are

They are who we thought they were And we let them off the hook We didn't let them off the hook. This is exactly where I probably would have pegged them. Yeah. No, I would have had them lower than this. Oh. To be honest with you, man.

They're there. They're fourth from last. They're two points out of a playoff spot. Like in the league? No, in their conference. Fourth from last. Yeah, but what does that mean? You just said they're two points back from the playoff spot.

Two points back of Calgary, which holds the last playoff spot. Colorado's two points behind them, and then you've got Arizona. Yeah, but it's a conga line there. I know fourth from last It sounds terrible But look Anaheim's 33 Chicago's 33

Minnesota's 33 And then the line And then Calgary wildcard At 34 Dallas wildcard 35 Oh my god They're right there

Yeah They're right there Okay But Play's gotta They gotta get together soon Horvat Horvat

You know what we haven't Talked about on the show The Jordan Subban trade And I got pooped on A little bit Why I made Vancouver Canucks fans Angry

Because I said Wow that's a bad trade And I don't know I think I stick by it I maybe don't say Wow That's a bad trade But like I just don't understand

Like Jim Dowd is I don't know It's a stopgap Because of an injury For the Canucks Who I was under the impression Were rebuilding But you know what I didn't consider

When I said that Is let's say it all crumbles down It all falls down For the Canucks they could just flip out at the deadline if they really needed to I mean a lot of teams

need a guy like that at the deadline my issue was giving up on a guy like Jordan Subban this early righty on D

he's only 22 that's not that old he's struggled badly this season no goals 5 assists in 16 games but

back to back 36 point seasons as a 20 and 21 year old I just I feel like, okay, a lot of Canucks fans were like, well, we're getting a surefire NHLer in Dowd, and we got some magic beans with Subban. I get that, but I just feel like those magic beans might actually become a beanstalk. And Dowd's not playing above the third line ever, right?

I don't think so. I mean, unless there's an injury. In 16 games, he has one assist. Yeah, like you gave up. He's played 90 games in his career. He's 27. Yeah. I don't know.

I just didn't see. apparently his fancies are good I think his fancy stats but I don't know anything about him but no me neither I was like who is that when the trade happened

I just feel like yes you get a known commodity but you're giving up on potentially a right an NH an eventual NHL right handed defenseman which is worth its weight in gold

you know it's it's so hard to find a player like that yeah but now every Subban brother has been moved yeah it's true wow Yeah, Malcolm wasn't traded, but...

James Reimer, not cutting it in Florida. That's a shame. This is what Elliot Friedman had to say. I can't imagine Florida will wait too much longer to wade into the goalie pool either, and I think they are looking for someone youngish who might be their future. God, that's such a bummer. Like, you want to talk about a team that is spending far too much on goaltending to have this issue? Mm-hmm.

Florida. We thought they had it locked down. Poor James. What's the matter with James? I haven't... And what does... Okay, so Toronto suddenly has this quote-unquote strength at goaltending, right? It's kind of great.

Garrett Sparks, Calvin Pickard, Casimir Casciuswo is with the Chicago Wolves, I believe. And 41-save shutout monster, Curtis McElhaney. Well, that's... Do you help Florida out and make a trade? Or do you go, no, I'm going to hang on to this because... Yeah, if it's too much. Too much to turn down. Yeah, no, like if Florida

If you have decided, Florida's paying too much For this guy, alright, cool But, I don't know Why would you give up either of Pickard or Sparks? I don't know, I just don't understand that To a divisional rival? No, thank you Ew No, I don't feel like it

If a team like Edmonton comes knocking Or, who are the three teams That were listed as needing goaltending Or looking for goaltending? Florida Edmonton for sure I think there was another one yeah from 31,000

I think so I don't remember I don't remember there's so much basically this whole show is like a recap because there's so much that he put there

it's so good though so I just best show prep yeah really in the league I look at Florida though and I think I don't know what

they could give us that's within reason like Aaron Ekblad would be fantastic but it's never gonna happen no what can Florida give you that

that would be better than having two stellar goaltenders in the AHL and have an over-performing backup goaltender, which is totally fine by me, and a starting goaltender is doing really well. You'd have to give up, like, I don't even know.

It's so strange because, like, let's say it's Pickard. You have such an immediate reference point for what Calvin Pickard costs. Yeah. But then again, Vegas' goals are different than Toronto's. I don't know. And with Sparks, you know, potentially being day-to-day or whatever with an injury, I mean...

Why would you trade? Yeah, it's all the more reason not to do that. Savers are going to make moves. they said don't ask about Jack Eichel but Sam Reinhart Rasmus Ristolainen and Marco Scandella

are who they just got the price is high but they say they won't consider they wouldn't not consider offers and also

Patrick Kane and Benoit Pouliot are both on expiring deals not Patrick Kane Evander Kane right thank you sir

I don't think Evander Kane will last the season in Buffalo no I don't think did you see the overtime winner the other day

yes yes yes he's like most likely to be traded in the league and that'd be his fourth team in how many well Atlanta

Winnipeg doesn't count oh yeah so yeah Winnipeg Buffalo I guess it'd be third no fine

fine I was can you believe this is his fourth team who's gonna say that someone's gonna say that yeah I almost said it

where there's smoke there's fire it's his fourth team now that's gonna be great There was an article yesterday posted in the Calgary Sun, which, you know, even being out there, the sun here in Toronto, the sun out in Calgary, they like to get your attention. I thought there was only one sun. It's like in the sky. Oh.

I thought the sun was right. No, actually, there's many, okay? Your heliocentric model. Congrats on being a father, Jesse. So in that article done by Eric Francis, who has worked with Hockey Night in Canada and has been a writer for Sportsnet and I believe still is, he says that for sure, if the arrogant, and he called him arrogant in the article, Naheed Nenshi, mayor of Calgary, doesn't change his attitude, the Calgary Flames will be sold to Houston within the next three years. now what is interesting about that

is James Myrtle responded and James explained oh I did not see that what's wrong with this piece so you should read the whole piece I'm not going to get

into the whole thing but I wanted to tell you that part because James said did the stick to sports crowd jump all over it no no

weird James said here's the thing that's mistaken in this piece Flames ownership do not based on the precedent

set in Atlanta get to sell to whatever market they want to and profit hugely Atlanta's owners received only a portion of the sales price to Winnipeg. This is because Bettman explicitly said the Atlanta ownership group did not own the rights to the Winnipeg market, just as Murray Edwards and company don't own the rights to Houston.

They can't cash out of Calgary for $600 million U.S. The NHL and the Flames are going to trot out all kinds of Houston-Seattle boogeyman here to try to get as much of an arena paid for as they can. That's about all this is. I will be stunned if they leave Calgary, which is a top 10, 15 hockey market worldwide. And I agree. There's no way they're leaving Calgary. And they're doing the same thing that Daryl Cates was doing when we were...

Daryl Cates and the Oilers group were doing when we were out there and they were negotiating the Rogers Arena deal, which was, you know what? Well, we might just have to move them. Worked for them. Sure did. Way to go. Way to screw it up for everybody there, Daryl. And your hockey team.

From Boomer and Warner. which is the morning show at Sportsnet 960 in Calgary Stephen Brunt was on and this is from that account from their official account Stephen Brunt on why the Flames won't leave Calgary you can't just

move teams in the NHL you can't just sell them and have them move this isn't the NFL kids yeah the NHL generally doesn't like to move into markets where they might be able to get 700 million dollars for an expansion team. The NHL also

doesn't like to close off escape routes for teams in real trouble, like, say, Arizona, that's going to need a place to go. You can float that stuff about how they'll be forced to move. It's pretty easy, but there are several compelling reasons why it's almost

certainly not true. Everyone, can you, this is Steve talking now, Dangle, Glenn, whatever, everyone, can we put on our friggin' big boy pants and figure out Calgary

because I'm bored. I'm so bored of this shit. And I'm sure, you know who's more bored? Flames fans. Oh, man. I bet they're building up a lot of goodwill

with their fan base right now. The response from Flames fans is so interesting because they are so not for paying this arena. They are like, no, no, no, no. We're not going to pay twice

because they'd have to pay in their tickets and their taxes. Why would they want to do that? Well, and I've, I've seen a few people argue Against that logic But it's not That's not the culture out there man

They don't like that They don't like a millionaire blatantly ripping off the city No one should No one should And they're anal about public spending Which you should be You should worry about where your dollars go Absolutely

I don't blame them at all It's quite heartening to watch because of what's happened with the Atlanta baseball deal, with some of the things we heard about Little Caesars Arena in Detroit. There has been some really bad deals done in the States lately. I just want to freaking figure it out because I'm so sick of hearing about it. Well, how about this? I'm going to ask you a question about another Canadian market.

The Sens, fold them. No? No, the Habs. When an owner has to come out and say his GM has his full support, that usually means the GM's in trouble, right? Usually, but there's no Canada. Like France, Canada. Canada, Inseland.

And the other Canada is a bosie Canada. If you live here for one day, you'd understand. Jeff Molson has officially come out and said that Marc Bergevin has his full support. Good. Now, I don't know if you guys read this, but Andre Markoff did a little interview about what his negotiations were in Montreal this summer. Now, this is crazy. It was in Le Journal de Montréal. The Montreal Journal.

Yeah, a guy named Jonathan Bernier. Oh, yeah, that's right. Not actually him, but he's a journalist named Jonathan Bernier. No, it is actually him. Oh, it is. It's just a different name. Or a different person. Different person, yeah.

Same name. I'll let you talk. Okay, that's really confusing, Steve. So essentially, Jonathan Bernier, the journalist, asked Andre Markov about this. And, you know, I think, what did he finish? Like 10 games away from the 1,000-game mark or something like that with Montreal? An incredibly long career. They are very mad, very, very mad about Marc Bergevin.

So, Sergei Berezin, former Leaf, was Andrei Markov's agent. Oh, really? And he was decertified by the NHL as an agent, so Andrei Markov decided to represent himself. And here's what he had to say. Well, his wife is actually in on the interview, and she said the Canadians were Andrei's family and Montreal was his home. When people ask him where he's from, he tells them from... Voskonesk, Russia.

You try to read that. Voskresensk Voskresensk Voskresensk I mean that's my shitty North American way he tells people he's from Russia but his home is in Montreal is what his wife said which I think is quite nice now here's what Markov

had to say as an athlete and as a person who spent 16 years of their life in Montreal I would have liked it if they'd respected me that's all I was asking for from the team I'm going to be honest with you there was practically no negotiations with Montreal I got two or three offers and they said either you sign or you don't.

No one listened to me. No one wanted to listen to me. That's what happened. So I had the choice to sign on their terms or leave them and find a new team. And he left and found a new team. Now, doesn't that sound suspiciously like Piquet? And what Piquet Subban said not a month ago

to The Athletic about his dealings with Marc Bergevin and the Montreal Canadiens when his contract was up. Des Harnais was dumping on the team recently. Danny Breer was dumping on the team recently. Michelle Terrien told him he was a useless piece of crap. No one respected him. No one likes him.

Hmm. Still not out there? It's just, it's almost like, almost like, it's a scenario I can imagine where Subban being the culture problem on the Montreal Canadiens was not the case. he's gone. He's been gone. What's the problem? And you know, it's funny,

the team he went to haven't had a culture issue. In fact, you could argue they are the biggest growing culture fans and team in the league. Nah.

One of the most healthy expansion markets ever. the entire hockey world went to bat for them a couple days ago. Well, but rightfully so. It's,

I don't know. It's just all those things you heard about him, this, that and the other hey maybe they were true I'll even give you that

maybe he did do this and do that and do that there's still a problem when's your next Suban for Weber trade oh you don't have one left to make

fire the GM stupid but don't don't I love the Sens being the way they are I love the Habs being the way they are the day we recorded

that podcast Jesse and I'm pointing at you because Adam wasn't there, unfortunately. I said the Atlantic Division was a bunch of clown cars. Has been. Look at the standings. Look at the standings. Are they clown cars?

I mean... It's like Tampa Bay and Toronto on good goaltending. I shouldn't have called it clown cars because clown cars are crowded. The Atlantic playoff picture is not. That is the big difference. Tampa, the Leafs I will give the Bruins

the respect they deserve because I don't think people thought they'd be in this position they've battled injuries and they have games in hand, they're doing very well and then beyond that I'm just saying it's almost like no issues

zero issues got fixed by that trade we just won the division, shut up What have you done for me lately? You stink. I'm going to read you a tweet before we go to press conference, and this is a little bit more serious. So I'm saying, yeah. Oh, boy.

But I'm going to leave it without comment, because I think the tweet says it all. Oh, boy. Stacia Robitaille, or Stacia Robitaille, who is Luke Robitaille's wife of 25 years. I was once in an elevator with, at real Donald Trump, and a man with him at Madison Square Gardens. I'm assuming this is when Luke played with the Rangers.

He was aggressive and told me I was coming home with him. I laughed, stated I was married to a ranger He guaranteed me my husband didn't make as much money as him And she signed it with Hashtag this is our president So that just came out while we were on the show So I figured we should talk about it Really?

Yeah, or I figured we should just bring it up Really? So I'm presenting that without comment Let's go to break, shall we? Right? Press conference Here, here I'll provide a comment

The President of the United States is a piece of shit. Done. Press conference. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. We had three fun things to get, silly things to get to, but I guess we don't have time for them. One of them.

Good. Let's end on that note. The new Bachelor bios are out. That was one. We can do that next. Two. The NCAA lacrosse draft names are out. Oh, come on.

And three, some bros in Los Angeles trolled a courthouse. I saw that. So those three funny things we had to get to, I guess we can do none of them. Oh, what? Can we actually? Because I got to stay. I didn't realize this, but I got to stay. I got to text you.

I don't think we have time, Steve. No. So on Thursday. That's what we'll do. We'll do funny things. Aren't we recording at a different time on Thursday or something? A little earlier. A little earlier?

Oh, that's right. We talked about that. Yep. Okay. Fourth thing that we can get to. So we got one out of four. Jake and Smallwood was traded. Oh, boy.

I was going to clap it. I don't know if it's a good thing. The Kootenanny Ice. Kootenay. Kootenanny. The Kootenanny Ice. The Kootenanny Ice. They play in Texas.

They acquired Jake and Smallwood and a conditional third round draft pick from the Warriors for some other guy who's not Jaden Smallwood very great way of putting it so congratulations to our first ever

professional hockey player to appear on this podcast it's true oh no I guess he's not pro yet yeah he's not pro but when he does

turn pro he will be the first and did we have him on before Ben Scrivens yeah yeah 100% future Kootenanny

Ice star Kootenanny Ben Scrivens who by the way allowed the fastest goal in KHL history Oh, heavens, did you see? Poor Ben, I'm sorry about that.

He's also won, like, goalie of the week a couple times. But, like, fastest goal ever. Ever. That's going to be hard to break. Okay. Questions. Poor guy. Brendan from Sobeys wrote on our Reddit.

Oh, hey, Brendan from Sobeys. That his cousin was the other guy in the Jake and Smallwood deal. Whoa! He said, how proud should I be that my cousin got traded for Jake and Smallwood? Oh, very proud. that's a small world very proud small world

you're small am I right? I don't think we come back that was unnecessary that was very unnecessary come on that was pretty quick no come on

anyways on behalf of the Jesse and I chapter of the Steve Dangle podcast I demand a retraction and apology I guess last thing it's December

and we haven't done our Stanley Cup predictions yet oh our way too early Stanley Cup prediction is starting to get not way too early but it's starting to get

it's here now we need to do another month well and whoever's keeping track of that little chart you made on Twitter yeah keep doing that keep doing that

here's another one yeah here's work for you shut up here's a prediction go our podcast go Nets I got

Stanley not Stanley ah sure Adam you're up I got Tampa Bay Nashville again man I just don't see

how it doesn't happen I want it to be the Leafs by the way can that be can it be the Leafs I'd like it to be the Leafs I have Winnipeg

in the finals what wow they're gonna lose to Washington Oh wow Imagine this is the year

Washington wins Cause they were pretty As bad It's kind of better Oh way better It's kind of a better story Um Yeah I'm gonna go

Tampa Nashville Hard to argue with Now the one thing I will say Now okay so No offense to Kings fans Um Vegas I straight up

Just don't believe you I don't They're gonna make Playoffs Listen Don't make the playoffs But I don't believe them But, but, but.

I don't believe them. But, but, but. I don't believe it. I think I saw something like. It's okay to say you don't believe it, even if they're going to make the playoffs. But, but, but. Like, it's not even Christmas, and I think I saw a stat where they just had their fourth winning streak of three games or more. Oh, God.

Jesus, that's amazing. That's so stupid. I don't understand it. You should be embarrassed if you're an NHL team and you can't get your shit together. Yeah. If you're an NHL GM, you should be embarrassed. Okay, so here is the Eastern playoff picture as I understand it, okay? Columbus is the top team in the Metro, but second in the East.

So they play the top wildcard team. It will be Columbus, New Jersey, first round. Islanders take on Washington in the Metro series. Tampa takes on the bottom wildcard team, which is the Rangers. Leafs take on Boston. Leaf fans? You are Tampa Bay Lightning fans for the rest of the season. You hope they finish first in this division.

And the Leafs will hopefully finish second at worst third. Because a day ago, and I guess I am due to tiebreak, because the Rangers have played 30 games, they have 35 points. Penguins have played 32 games, they have 35 points. A day ago, the first round series was Toronto-Boston and Tampa-Pittsburgh. And right now it's Tampa Rangers And if the Rangers Win their next game in New Jersey

Loses it's Tampa New Jersey And oh boy Yeah you're all Tampa Bay Lightning fans I say Tampa Nashville I still think Tampa perseveres But that's so shitty It is not advantageous At all to win the Atlantic Division

Right now Because you're going to have to play one of those Metro Monsters Final thing Don't forget to tweet your photos Of you and three friends Marley's life If you don't have three friends Call your neighbors over

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