The Steve Dangle Podcast - Do A Leepa | May 31, 2024

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the Rangers can't skate with the Panthers in game 5 (00:00), Paul Maurice is happy and the Top 5 NHL coaches (20:00), Edmonton has a comeback win over the Stars (40:00), a Mike Babcock exposé (53:45), Minnesota captures The Walter Cup (1:13:30), Keefe's Real NHL tribute video (1:28:00), Steve celebrates Angel Hernandez's retirement (1:30:00), and Mike Francesa on Harambe (1:40:00). Visit this episode's sponsors: If you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with AG1. Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase at https://drinkag1.com/sdp. That’s https://drinkag1.com/sdp. Check it out. For all the odds and to learn more visit https://betmgm.com/DANGLE Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://igamingontario.ca/en/player/responsible-gambling Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Must be 19+ or older to play. Join SDP VIP: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a0z05HiddEn7k6OGnDprg/join Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/thestevedanglepodcast Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sdpvip/subscribe Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Join us on Discord: https://discord.com/invite/MtTmw9rrz7 For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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speaking of adam loves the dad no i am a i'm a i'm a grunter i'm a grunter i am i'm okay oh what's that here no maddie mike this is adam when he walks in the studio every morning yeah like that's how i feel good i kind of like let it all out and you know let the day come off me and and then i and then i'm ready to do the show summer content idea just a tiktok compilation of adam getting in and out of a car now i i bring up the grunt yeah to to say this uh steve you got you got real grumpy man on the on the stream last night jesse can we play this one clip sure you have not seen the game and you just seen this clip you should be glad because then you didn't witness a travesty

here you go press play and then explain so it's incidental it stays five on four that's terrible that's it's a cowardly call cowardly cowardly it's such a playoff call horrible horrible this is a good content it's not a very good league playoff typical horrible oof oof oof oof oof oof wow that's where we're headed oof we're in oof territory so what happened was nico micola decided to run over um the rangers leading candidate for the consmith trophy and the Rangers weren't happy

about it and the ref said these are the same because the Panthers were already on the power play it should have been a minute 21 seconds of five on three for the Rangers because it's not like during the ensuing scrum the Panthers were like

whoa hey well you know we want no part of this no it's the Panthers they're like a pig shit yeah like give it to me let's go nope they looked at this and they said these are the same and uh yeah no it's just it's not a particularly good league that cares the i guess the refs were upset because gustafson kind of takes down micola behind the net um yeah he just ran over and it's like but everybody's tussling like micola is engaged with gustafson and he takes him down but everybody if you're calling roughing on that instance where there's a scrum it should be

roughing on like four different guys everyone well that's why i called it cowardly because it's not that it's the wrong call which it is it's it's not that it's the wrong call it's that they're like okay i'm not about to hand a team of uh over or uh five on three 81 second five on three a minute and 21 seconds in game five yeah but i wanted to be weird like the parents who say yeah my kid's 40 weeks yeah or something yeah what is that i don't know i don't know i don't even know how many weeks my own kid is exactly i don't need to they're just they're they're under the age of one they're not sleep training that's all that's all that matters but um no it's just is playoff typical panthers were the were the better team last night uh the team

that deserved to win one but like that place sucked now i want to ask was that the panthers gentlemen being a veteran playoff team now they've seen a lot of playoffs in the last couple of years and they know how to get other team they know how to get away with stuff that the refs can't call or don't have the stones to call because they don't want to i don't i don't think it's that deep you know he's that deep i don't think it's that deep if anyone deserves credit or blame it's gustafson for not acting like he's been there before um because you know people were rightly pointing out rightly with an asterisk like well they're gonna call the retaliation like i would love to have like four general rules for my job that i need to follow and that's it

with like barely paying attention like it just feels like that's what the refs do yeah it's just yeah well it's gonna call the retaliation i think paycheck please the blame going on the rangers players in that instance i don't think it's entirely wrong the broadcast the sports net broadcast was yelling about it at the time it's like you got to be a little smarter than that you know that if you go in there you you're at the risk of losing the five on three and that's exactly how it ended up that's why i wanted to ask about that because i thought is that the the panthers kind of goading them in and going we can get away with this just because uh because we know no they had an odd man rush that mikala was for some reason uh at the tip of the spear of

like he often is i was very confused by that um it didn't work out but then he just runs over like there was no um like there's no gray area it's just it's a very obvious yeah i don't think it was so much as like the panthers goading them into it it's just like that's kind of what's happening at the end and you just they're gonna like every team's gonna be in that that little scrum after somebody runs your goaltender it's just you got to make sure you stay out of it enough to where you don't get that rough you don't give them an excuse to call the roughing penalty so that you don't get the five on three because the refs don't want a five on three in the playoffs does any team in the nhl try as hard as the panthers i'm not sure i don't think so

there's a they are 150 every time holy i don't know where they get the energy like that's the thing like you usually see teams fizzle um when they try to play like florida does does paul morais do what travis green does which is like make players vomit during training camp to make sure they're in shape i don't know maybe maybe they want to play for each other travis green just bag skates you for the first little bit right it's it's funny so at our live show and i'm sure you uh if you've seen the live show that we did the other day in vaughn we were talking about the panthers and you know we're throwing little snipes at oh sam bennett gets away with it yeah i don't want to i don't want to put them on blast but uh someone who uh has played in the florida panthers

organization was there and apparently they kept leaning over to the person they were with and they're like he's actually really nice but like which is fine that's that's the thing they're all i'm sure they're all nice people i don't think sam bennett's a bad person like i've said this about brad marshand before that's the guy sam bennett punched and didn't get anything for okay just so we all know brad marshand um i think he's a great person i do i genuinely think he's a great person he's a scumbag on the ice sure absolute scumbag and i think you can separate the two of course they can if you if you ask matthew nize and his head how he likes sam bennett oh you'll probably get a different answer then you know what he's a nice guy off the ice nice

guy off the ice i didn't like his like john jones spinning backfist elbow that he gave me with uh with just impunity he's allowed yeah when he's just like hey i'm gonna be peak anderson Silva for an afternoon on the ice like just bop and it's fine like come on and he's done it twice identically both accidents crazy now we had no score through the first period but two minutes into the second we get a shorthanded at home in front of your fans Chris Kreider goal it ruined a great story hey like that that was great Matthew Kachuk with like the chirp of the playoffs uh chris crider goes to throw kachuk's mouth guard after the game kachuk says that was the best play he made all game unreal series goes back to msg chris crider friggin in your face

shorthanded gets it whole place goes nuts it's great goal they needed a performance out of him he's been such an important part of so many rangers playoff runs and he just hasn't quite been as effective in the series i mean a lot you could add a lot of guys not naming alexi lafrenier to that list um it would have been a cool story heading into game six but they lost sorry guys it's not as cool when you lose it was cool now uh about six minutes later forsling ties it up and then you have lindell uh nasty pass from bennett yes oh yeah you mean the forsling one yeah yeah and then you have lindell at the beginning of the third and then the rangers pull the the empty net um Bennett does score but then Lafrenier scores with 50 seconds to go

I mean good for Laf but game was kind of old man it's they were really pressing and the way they were playing actually made me believe like they might tie it Laf scores I'm like they might tie it and then the Rangers decided to forget how pucks work like for the last 50 seconds or whatever hey let's ice it there's like no time left let's ice it hey you know what let's dump and chase and get into a 15 second puck battle when we only have 20 seconds left what's wrong with you what are you doing the the puck battle i thought to end the game that's the one yeah i thought that was just smart who's the one who pinned it against the board on the panthers whoever i forget the player who actually did it the first time genius yeah like you are level a plus plus game situation

management right there i'm gonna stick my skate right up against the boards with the puck burn these 13 seconds fabulous stuff from the florida panthers they're so well coached they are but like that's what anyone with like functioning brain cells does is they kill the clock yeah no but like if they're a to do that in that moment you know yeah you could you could have sent it down the ice that's also a possibility yes and they do that 50 of the time but icing you know i thought it was a great little because the new york rangers getting that extra goal i know you kind of dismissed it there adam but it kept them alive for an extra was it 49 seconds yeah yeah it made the game interesting yeah you allow the empty net but then you get the one back and you're like okay

maybe we can do it again you know and then the florida panthers did what they do best and played great hockey and now the rangers gotta win one in florida and oof if you watch games three and four I know they won game three I know they did but it's kind of tough the Edmonton Oilers how about that how about that Undertaker sticking his glove

out of the dirt we're not we're not dead yet to nothing Dallas at the end of the first period and the Edmonton Oilers come back and have probably their best game of the playoffs those are we done with the well we can keep going with you are there the Rangers if you wanted to there's other stuff I wanted to say but we can do

we can do that you want to give more rangers things you want to break down because there was the there was the goal where the defense of the rangers just completely decided to stop playing hockey okay okay show us show us that one steve i uh you you were yelling about it on this on the stream too i just want to get the uh the breakout there where forsling walks through three defenders They're just very, very quiet. They were all locked in on their guy. And no one had forced. Because if we're talking about the the Rangers potentially winning a game here and coming back. Okay, this is the one here. Yeah. Okay. So if we're talking about the Rangers potentially winning a game, forcing a game seven, it's the main thing they need to figure out because they have so many offensive weapons. I don't care that Zibanejad doesn't get a point. I don't care Panarin doesn't have a point because there's other guys in the lineup

that'll fill those spots for them. You know, when Panarin's not going, Laff will step up. We'll get a random Goudreau game. It's awesome. All those guys, I think, are playing better. Panarin had a bit of a tough first period, but he got better as the game went. I want to say Zibanejad got an assist on the Kreider goal.

Like, ah, or no, he got, he might've got two. I can't remember because he shot the puck that Slaff deflected. Slaff. Slaff. got an assist on the laugh goal and assist on the crider goal there you go so he had a he had a good night and it's still not enough so oh my god this goal though so like i'm perfectly fine with how the offense is working it's just every time there's a giant defensive breakdown at some

random point in the game and and it leads to a panther's goal and it's a miserable experience watching this team try and play team defense oh look at oh boy that's so bad here we go it's a little blurry because the wi-fi is a little sketch right now but how do you let a man like force like in behind your defense it's like when a wide receiver in football will get around the like end of the last db the safety who's supposed to be over the top covering the the end point and everybody everybody is just up and he's right in behind and it's it's a testament to how good the florida panthers are but it's testament to how this is the one weak spot of the new york rangers i think because you have the best goaltending you have enough offense who's the right-handed d

i can't tell you because that i i mean to me that's the definition of puck watching like they're just like well i got the puck and nothing else i know there's a guy screaming towards the net i don't give a damn so if it's a nice pass from bennett it's totally a nice pass but i think it's unforgivable to let a man squeak through three defenders now here's what i see four panthers three rangers and i go to what mike rupp said yesterday i and nhl network i can't remember where he said it um and he basically said i don't think their forwards know what they're doing like they're they're in above their heads and like one thing uh i'm trying to focus on more and more as i watch more and more hockey i plan on doing this for a while and i try to get better at

it um is defense is a team concept and uh i mean someone is asleep at the wheel here yeah oh it's fox who's the right-handed d so like you what drives me nuts and all i unfortunately have to use the leafs as an example here the the poster knock game seven winner it's well that's not marner's guy okay i know based on your system and the way you play as was pointed out that's not supposed to be his guy but as he's the only one there perhaps it might have been helpful to adapt to that situation so like if fox i assume fox is uh waiting on matthew kachuk right yeah that is adam fox and kachuk is up here in this corner there's kachuk someone's already trying to cut off that pass right and if Kachuk gets the rebound like if Forsling goes in you do

your best to push him to the outside it makes his shot worse Shesterkin gets the save or makes the save and Kachuk gets a rebound I think you live with that yes I think you live with that if at the end of the day if you're gonna puck watch you might as well puck follow also and and it just doesn't happen here when i see this i see the way it unfolded is unforgivable in how they're playing defense the way you described it if they go in there and they get the rebound that's forgivable yeah like i'm okay i will live with that but to watch the it's for panthers for sure but for you to not cover the man just coming in between you guys and letting that pass go there i want la violette to figure this out and just like hey maybe he needs better horses on the back end

how did you guys feel the truba and keandre miller were last night because that's been struggling too keandre miller loves taking bad penalties dude he's it's his favorite hobby he's been terrible he's like well i can either take up trains or i can take up uh taking bad penalties and you pick bad but what about lego keandre no no fuck that fuck lego it's terrible now i'm just imagining him innocently playing in a train shop like bobby bacala from the friggin sopranos um no it's i thought he got better as the game went his first period was terrible another thing another thing with this team just like in game one they all look like uh their their dog died like they all looked like to quote the commentary team from fifa 2001 they look like they dropped

their sandwich in a puddle they they just look so depressed and downtrodden every time they make a mistake and i just feel like you so rarely see that out of winners you so rarely see that out of the team that ends up taking it all they all have this belief um you know it's something that the leafs talk about a lot as well we got a belief we got a belief and we got a belief and i never believe them like with just the way they say it like all right you can say words i know words too but like it's it's one thing that it's one thing to say i'm you got to believe it you can say anything to be honest you can say anything steve dangle number one center on the toronto maple leafs i'm an astronaut with a billion dollars saudi arabia wow it's crazy to promote their

three-on-three league yeah so when mitch marner has a mic in front of him he's like i believe in this team we're all like you know what yeah like it so often happens in the playoffs where one team is favored and another team is not but the other team the the team that's not favored is like i don't know we're just gonna try to play yeah and like you see they're playing loosey-goosey and everything and i think playoff intensity gets to people and the rangers just listen they're still two wins away from winning the series they could easily win back-to-back games in fact they've already done it in this series um it's just it's difficult to envision the way they carry themselves and the way they're getting outshot into oblivion like left last night it really felt like it felt

like they had a lot of the puck i don't know what the time ended up being i'm curious i'd be curious to know what puck possession was after 40 minutes um man florida just got further and further and further away from them the rangers are taking these shots or having the puck and they're grossly overpassing it and the panthers are forcing them into these situations nothing is getting through they're missing wide they're hitting the side of the net it's being blocked nothing's getting through and i keep saying shisterkin's the better goalie in this series or at least he's performing like the better goalie the panthers are making it so bob doesn't have to work they're just making his job really easy the rangers have been honestly doing that for a lot of goalies so far this series

where they don't maintain a lot of pressure in the zone everything kind of happens instantaneously whether it's just piling on the shorthanded goals which come off the rush you know because you're going the other way on the power play six yeah and the rest of the nhl is eight combined it's insane or it'll be like they'll be in the zone for a little be a long shot on that you get a rebound it's a goal but they don't really sustain the pressure and they've been fine doing that so far and i'm really not worried about the offense i think just the defense more than anything needs to find a way to get through i mean the reason they're not scoring more is they're hemmed in their own zone all the time right so i don't think it's that their offense is letting them down

it's uh florida is caving them in they don't have an answer for kachuk bennett and whoever plays with them usually rodriguez they they don't have an answer for it like usually you see that develop uh over the course of a series nope and with not there with all that being said i think these easily when we look back on this season these were the two best teams of the eastern conference yes oh yeah oh yeah we underestimated florida all year long because of the metropolitan because yeah the metro wasn't great you know and carolina had obvious flaws we saw that that unfold in that series when they go down 3-0 and you see all the stuff that happened toronto wasn't serious boston they got through toronto but when they come up against florida you see all the holes in boston

these are the best two teams so yep and there's easily a chance i think new york takes game six to be honest and they have a game seven then who knows what happens in game seven but we'll see how it goes man at game seven at msg would be unreal it'd be delicious who doesn't want that i would love it and the answer is panthers fans last thing if we can because the happiest man in the history of time right now is paul maurice did he die in that air or is that just florida sunshine i don't know that's florida sun because he's looking very young these days very youthful i think like based on how this press conference goes um i think you'll you'll realize that paul maurice has never been happier in his entire life uh here's an answer when he's asked when he's asked about uh

the the take giveaways uh in the game last night there was only one by the florida panthers all game long and he has a great response that i think is something we've talked about previously and it's just happy paul maurice so it's fun paul you guys uh according to the statute had just one giveaway tonight is that something that you is that something just don't tell me robroski had it no do you want to know who was yeah who was it okay oh he's out is that something that you guys talked about i mean you were surprised by it so i don't know if no you know what and be fair i i don't follow the qualification of what a giveaway is

there were so many puck battles on the walls that I thought we had control of the puck that we didn't make a play and it's into their feet and then they get possession of it I would count that as a giveaway I think the change of possession

it's either forced or it's not in some ways what am I trying to say I think there's a hell of a lot more giveaways in that game for two coaches and that blots out so the the one thing before we get to the the fun ekblad out and paul marie's just so happy the giveaway thing i wanted to bring up because we talked about it with when biz ran his his uh his sought on on mitch marner and all of the turnovers he had and then when you check the

the actual stat card and it says mitch marner had one turnover and you're like no we just ran a seven piece highlight reel of mitch marner turnovers the numbers aren't what we think of you know we can't trust these giveaway numbers on the box score because the people who are in front of the the benches who are on the benches who are on the ice don't look at it the same way the stat counters do or the coaches do or the coaches do and i like when somebody who has more pedigree within the game says the thing that kind of we're all thinking so there's something to back it up there and i just want to bring that up i i want to throw i want to just add to that i think the more important stat for individual players anyway is takeaways takeaways when you actively

take the puck away like you look at a guy like Mark Stone where you see it over and over and over again another guy who's good with takeaways is William Nylander feels like a takeaway is easier to quantify than a giveaway yes that's what I'm that's what I'm trying to say yeah because because what Paul Maurice there is not he's saying well if we gave the puck or if we if it changes possession it's a giveaway I don't think it is I think the idea of a giveaway is you coughed it up because of pressure or because of mistake or because of both well and opportunity you could have had the puck and you didn't otherwise we're just tracking change of possession i think that's what he's doing yeah which is not but my whole thing with this is is not like the individual stats of like

what we think you should mean i just think like the way you look at each stat is different in your evaluation of the team and who should be out there you know it's not just black and white hey this guy had this many giveaways this season or amongst this games and then you put that into a stat then it pumps out some number on this guy's defensive metrics or offensive metrics it's not that simple i i don't think anybody within the game thinks it's that simple and a lot of the times we look at things and we try and make it that simple and it's really not so complicated and nuanced i mean he literally finds the publicly available information kept by the national hockey league laughable like he burst he burst out laughing it better not have been bob that was

a knee slapper he thought it was hilarious so that's that's really interesting though because he quantified to an extent what the florida panthers well he but he is the head coach of the florida panthers what the florida panthers count as a giveaway i wonder if they track it internally yeah yeah yeah they have to it probably takes forever yeah um i also wonder if there's ever an instance where a game is so bad a coach just goes to the stats department and they go no don't count this one that's burning the tapes no we're gonna burn the tape of that game no it's really burning the tapes when you tell your stats department not to track it yeah i i have a little thing that like tracks my golf swings and like if you if you completely like skull one or you just

miss it you don't include that in like your average distance or anything hit your driver 100 yards it's supposed to go 200 you know you don't have my driver 100 yards to be the best hit i've ever had ever it's the best hit i've ever i'd be like include please right so that's my only hit so if i'm doing that for i'm the amateurist of stat keeper for my golf i think they should be doing that too at their level yes no i watched a game where possession changed uh hands probably 500 times and only one giveaway from the team in red yep stop it yeah stop it immediately do you guys have any thoughts on him just running bits and doing ah ekblad's out and everybody's just laughing i like that he has uh personality man i i really really do and and

uh i think that it wasn't whatever happened in winnipeg that that caused him to be i don't think that team was a i think there were character issues on that team and i've seen reporters talk about it it's been rumored about it i think he managed a lot and dealt with a lot there and that's not uh it's not an indictment on the city of winnipeg i think it's just the players that they had at the time and i think he's enjoying it and what's nice is that we've got a coach with some personality in this league so people like him paul is becoming a star before our eyes 25 years into his career how about that i i love oh even more even i'm not sure any coach has ever been more poorly timed for the leafs he was the head coach of the leafs yeah yeah there's

a lot of people who just learned that because i said it like that's how much of a blip on the radar his time with the leafs was he was the marley's guy they called him up they gave him no goalies and he'll talk about that in interviews too he completely sewers his guys it's hilarious because he had Tosca LeRae Croft. Yeah, it's brutal. It's terrible. And then he was gone, and he's basically been pretty damn successful since.

Yeah, and a lot of that time without goaltending right until Hellebuck showed up. Hellebuck. Yeah, no goaltending, no goaltending, the goaltender. Are the two best coaches in the National Hockey League in the state of Florida? Yeah, I think that you can make a good... I mean, it depends on what you think

of um bruce cassidy that counts uh bruce cassidy in vegas is uh to me one of the best although rumor has it that vegas is very analytically inclined so it takes some of that out of the coach's hands um as in like they'll hand you a piece of paper after a period and say these are the lines you're gonna like the blue jays the blue jays will do that too yeah the blue jays do do that yeah they don't talk about it but like can they borrow some of the golden knight success or what oh no you actually have to believe your your your your stats are wrong for that oh that's good um that's uh again remember the score takes care of itself except when it doesn't uh and oh the honshu uh chronicles or whatever the the uh uh who's who else would i put i mean how do we not

put pete de boer has been in uh three conference five or four conference finals now yeah in the last five years i would say though the one coach that's missing is is craig berube because he's the Leafs coach he's now among the greatest of all time no Jim Montgomery in there oh Monty man okay all right all right how many years how many years of Monty in Boston do we have to talk about before we go I'm not I'm not putting him in that category well because last you know he had two amazing regular seasons how many years until he gets Dwayne Casey I think that's what I'm trying to say because like there were there were conversations happening you guys remember If Boston loses game seven this year,

Monty's job's under threat. Oh, yeah. What? Yeah. Well, you blew it last year. You can't blow it again. Yeah. Like eventually something's got to give.

Isn't that nuts? I mean, pretty rare you blow a 3-1 series deficit back to back years. Yeah. Like it's happened a little bit on the coach. I want to say it's happened less than 40 times in NHL history. So for it to happen twice in two years.

Even not. Even almost blowing it the second time is still almost blowing it. no you know what i mean like you still have to look at that and go well that's not great um like what people are sticking rod brindamore with despite the fact that rod's actually won some a lot of playoff series in his time in carolina it's like monty might be at the beginning of that unless they figure out what's what the thing is to get them to the next level this is once again i asked the question a few weeks ago how many elite coaches are there well you can't

have a lot well like i have to have like three to five max i think we have a category of three to five and then another category of you know maybe you know eight good ones and then i think you got a whole big old pile of mid and then you got some dudes who teams are just trying can can i get you guys i'm gonna do it uh we're gonna clip this okay adam and steve's that's it adam wild and Steve Dangle's top five coaches in the National Hockey League. Oh. All right.

All right. All right. Listen it. All right. You got to make a quick Is it just this year? Currently. Currently right now.

Currently and based off the past few years. Based on vibes. Based on V-Base. No, that changes my answer. Like Pete DeBoer, like I'm not Pete DeBoer does not have vibes.

Let's get another round for Pete. Yeah. Like, no. Cooper? That guy's going to be tell knee slappers till they kick us out okay based on the best based on bs i think by the way i think cooper can quote like socrates too like i i think he's that one of those guys who's funny but also very smart i'd go out for beers with paul marisa go out for wine with none of this is a top

five list no this is just you guys gabbing about vibes and i'm talking about who i want to drink with okay so here's the easy one john cooper is the best coach in the national hockey league i think so one two uh number two i think no we should i'm not number we should have gone five to one five to one yeah that makes well that makes the all right well we know how we're building it no all right so five we need the coach pyramid what are you gonna put it come up with your cards i need to have your come up with my stupid coach pyramid coach power rankings yeah john cooper uh pete deborah i think is in that yep i'd put bruce cassidy in that um paul maurice i wouldn't have a few years ago but yeah paul maurice i think he's got to be in there now

and then i throw a name yeah that's gonna make me unpopular you could lob except for one place uh rick tockett's name not yet not yet it's he hasn't had enough he hasn't had enough is he not the current coach of the year he's the current year but he hasn't meant he was last year two years away from getting fired yeah that's usually what that means i think seeing what he did with a very similar vancouver team that uh bruce budro had what he did at the beginning of this season and then through maintaining it throughout the team as the added pieces as well rick talk it needs to be in the top five on on the almost list i would also put andrew brunette uh because what he did in nashville this year yeah i think is really impressive is brinda more

out of your top five yes because i'm putting in jared bednar oh yeah of course bednar you put deborah in there too right yeah okay good okay so i agree no more i think is for is somewhere between five and ten two tiers that i mentioned what and torts what he did in philadelphia this no what do you mean nah they almost made the playoffs wow they're a garbage team oh you're right he deserves to be in the elite class because they choked a playoff spot what are you talking martin st louis uh no not yet no yeah not that he could have done they they finished they finished close to last and less close to last i'm asking okay so you named a bunch of guys yeah let's let's now do this steve dangle and adam wilde's top five

coaches list going from five to one oh i hate it rank them all right fine you said that like do a lipa rod brandenmore five have you seen that interview with seth myers no they play this game where it's truth or take a shot and she goes you have three kids right and then he goes yeah and she goes rank them anyway adam yes i'm glad you explained that i mean i know that me maddie maddie five to one rod brandenmore at number five the disrespect to rod is unfair okay you guys you have your separate list number two or number four jim montgomery i don't think that you put together the best regular season of all time and at least have a little recency bias and be on this list i put him in the rod tier put him in the rods here yeah you get your own list shut up okay fine you

know what no no i'm taking monty back because it's unfair uh because i have john cooper later on okay list them okay so rod we went through everybody rod okay paul maurice peter boer uh uh who was the number two i had jared bednar number one um uh john cooper steve i'm gonna say pomo number five gotta win a cup that's what they call him pomo paul maurice prison rules paul are you on the panthers now yeah no any no i would call him like freaking palsy or something hey jess you remember when do a leap it took a shot it was crazy it's a love it's a heartwarming clip all right steve make your list i've put paul marie's five bruce cassidy four bednar three uh deborah two cooper

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And neither of you, I don't think, know why. And that's good. I don't. That's exciting. Now, can we move to the Edmonton series? Edmonton series? Are you guys good with that? So listen, Edmonton.

Matty, do we have your permission? Yes. Yes, okay. Back from the dead, the Edmonton Oilers, they looked terrible in the first period. Back from the dead. And then we were at Boston Pizza. we're having a good time uh we were you know doing our first live stream live with an audience which

was kind of cool how was that it was fun yeah it's great to have the energy there too right like there's uh because you know usually when i'm doing them i'm in this building alone in the middle of the night so it's kind of like oh there's actually people around yay i know every time i see you doing it i'm like oh that's creepy me at least i'm in my own house you're just in this dark it's not dark i turn on the lights uh there are sometimes though uh like somebody's siri i don't know if it's mine or some other siri in the building will go off and it'll start talking and i'll go and then there's an apple home pod that's what it is in here the apple home pod keeps going off and i'm like oh that's you should why you keep saying hey sir i don't

i don't know we're activating people oh shut up sorry i'm sorry hey google no no no no let's not do that bit alexa by 40 jillion by 40 jillion steve dangle podcast hey siri so we're at pre-order hockey rants and raves by steve dangle glenn so we're at boston pizza adam wild by the way before the live stream that he had during the game when we did the live show yeah with the audience at boston pizza weirdly even though steve and i made fun of him for his very tv-esque panel take you were you nailed how the game was gonna go i i said the second that was his second period team theory so the team that was the second period is kind of how it was good it was well done adam thank you well thank you thank you listen i'm just i'm angling for a spot with the new amazon

crew you know i want to be like here's a take that's weird um i amazon or no amazon second period whoever wins it in this series wins the game and the oilers came out they were outshot six to one at one point and then they were like okay second period is ours and it was like 12 to six all of a sudden in the shots and the oilers were scoring a bunch of goals and what became interesting towards the end of the game and i like that's the problem i feel bad for oilers fans i got a couple angry messages uh because they were like you haven't been covering our series as closely and i'm like absolutely not true i have been doing the streams but they're talking about the main show podcast and the reason for that is because when we release this show the the game

happens a couple hours later uh it does yeah and that happens every year in the in the eastern and western conference final unfortunately this week of this year it was edmonton dallas that's getting a bit of a short shrift but also like there's 32 teams in the league and i think in terms of our coverage the oilers are comfortably in the top 10 yes comfortably in the top three probably yeah uh but i i do want to say that i found this one thing the most interesting and i'll be looking for it tonight guys and that is edmonton oilers no edmonton oilers breaking up the dallas rush it's not exciting it's not sexy to talk about but dallas could not gain a zone entry and hold possession even on the power play it gets worse when edmonton is killing a penalty what did i say

what is it they're capable of it the oilers gotta if they try to um just get into a shootout with the stars they'll lose they they gotta shut her down they gotta be a little boring and but in years past they haven't been capable of doing it right they can do it now now i missed a little bit sorry the oilers came back in the second half of the first period i misspoke there the one name that i did want to bring up was darnell nurse because remember we played that press conference and one of the first goals I believe it was Wyatt Johnson's goal uh I think it was the two nothing goal okay that would be Esa Lindell's goal went off of Darnell Nurse but what does he come back and do on the very next goal back pass to Ryan McLeod puts it in the net kind of cool he can

generate offense it was crazy to me like when I saw the minus 12 I'm like all right fair enough but um the two assists and that's it in 15 games shocked me like this is a player who's capable of pretty great things yes offensively so when i saw he was generating nothing um like to me that's just oh okay all his powers are gone yes how do you how do you resurrect this player but he's still there kevin bx on the panel uh called edmonton media edmonton meat he said i call them meat because they are raw dead and dumb quote of the century from kevin b that is a great they were i guess edmonton sports talk was like aggressively all over darnell nurse in a way that hadn't filtered over here usually we pay pretty close attention to what's going on but i i didn't know

that the darnell nurse hate had reached such a fever pitch it's crazy well i mean dude makes 9.25 like i'm sorry even he has to know like that's not good enough two points minus 12 in 15 games heading into that game yeah oh I'm I'm sorry you know maybe he should go play for a team in the real NHL what I love the Habs fans in the comments uh of that clip that we posted talking about the Sheldon Keefe clip where they're like you know what you're right and I was like do you know how right I have to be for them to say it well because right with my whole because Montreal media to me is more intense than Toronto media it's two languages it's i would say it's the least on par edmonton is it feels like a

disproportionate like like a per capita number of weirdness comes out of that market um and their scrums and the it's not quite at this level but we're talking like late kevin durant russell westbrook uh oklahoma city thunder relationship with uh with the media where they just basically froze everyone out the oilers are fed up of these people right they are fed up with what they are dealing with in edmonton and and i haven't paid close enough attention to each and every press conference to know exactly what's happened it's interesting from a media perspective i did a morning show in calgary as i've mentioned a bazillion times and my program director was the program director for both edmonton and calgary at the same time oh uh yeah those are the same

virgin edmonton virgin calgary well he was from edmonton so he can and he lived in calgary for 10 years but he said you know in in first off there are more radio stations per capita and in edmonton than there are even in toronto per capita per population i believe that the engagement in media in edmonton fan engagement listener engagement is far higher i totally believe it's crazy he's like you know you could you know we would be trying to do these stunts or whatever and he's like in edmonton if we did this there'd be 100 people that would show up and watch this he's like in calgary they just they don't have time and and it's so funny to to see that because you're seeing the the effect of of that i had some i had a conversation with somebody

he's like the flames if they do great have about let's say it's 150 200 000 people watching if they're doing poorly they have about 20 000 less and that's that's it's always stationary oilers it's like always super high. And if they're bad, sometimes it gets even better in terms of engagement. And it's just, there's an intensity in Edmonton

about this team. It's great to see them reach the conference final for the second time in three years despite all that. Are you saying the media is hard? Yeah, makes it impossible. Do you think the Darnell Nurse guys

had a game that could shut Edmonton media up despite the puck going off of him and in? For like 48 hours. maybe well so if i know anything about the edmonton media it's when a player uh proves them wrong they willingly say well he sure showed us no they're gonna get their neck up about it and double down okay all right all right yeah no no they take criticism great can edmonton they don't email you passive aggressive things uh the series is tied can edmonton do this again tonight

guys do you think they can not just a win but a 5-2 win where they are ultimately easily the better team usually i'd say a team like dallas is in trouble based on that performance but um they kind of put all that to bed when they went down to nothing to vegas like that that gives them a lot of leeway like i picked them to win the cup and i'm like oh they're dead um they're gonna die against vegas and they play like the most bloodthirsty series of the playoffs that sort of got buried because there were eight series going on at the time um i could easily see this going seven and you're gonna need uh well i mean it's two two so it's not an elimination game but um the dallas stars are far from dead here that's this is gonna be a war i'd be shocked if this

series doesn't go seven jesse what do you think you wonder if edmonton's figured something out and that they've gotten back to playing nashville predators hockey as they did against the vancouver canucks because that was the main thing about dallas is that edmonton couldn't shut them down the last the couple games early in the series where dallas kind of just ran up the score you know with the jason robertson goals and all that stuff and you wonder if those two really impressive periods last game the second and the third where they shut down dallas's game off the rush and they they limited all that firepower and they found a way to break through on their side and just pile on the goals you wonder if they figured something out here it's they can repeat it if

it's a repeatable that's that's the thing that's if it's repeatable i could see edmonton ending this like very quickly this could be over in six edmonton is a bit of a frustrating team because you see them have these eureka moments and these eureka games and you're like oh they'll never lose again and then they go out and they're the same old oilers and you're like what the like it's amazing the way we talk about them you'd never know they were one of the last four teams no these are the four best teams in the league and they're some of them are really well they're all really flawed in different ways yeah and edmonton like they excel when they make things easy on stewart skinner yeah and that's through team defense and and their offense playing great defense and if

they can do it again i can see them winning two two in a row here they haven't been this close to the stanley cup in 18 years like they're they're right there deeply flawed whatever whatever um they're right there um i i think it's two teams like dallas i i keep talking about like this crazy veteran team and they do have those guys and the experience of deborah there's a lot of guys just figuring it out logan stankoven is a huge part of that team he just got here yeah in in january yeah part of that he's not even he was sent back down too at one point yeah he's not even rookie he's like super rookie he's one of those like how many games does he even have under his belt he's how many more games does he have to play before he's played more

playoff games than regular season i don't know like it's it's got to be i guess we got to look that up yeah he's got 47 career game uh no 24 career nhl games in the regular season 17 in the playoff wow dude they make the final he's gonna pass it if they go seven maybe yeah there's a there's a chance he could pass it yeah yeah so like this isn't there's some players where you're like well it's their first year in the nhl and he got better as it went along no this is the dude like it just got here right so uh both teams have elements of experience and there's some inexperience there too uh it's just it's really exciting it's it's a completely unpredictable series i think it's fun like i keep talking about this on social every time the nhl sends out an

email like a press release they're talking about there's been more comebacks than ever more comebacks than ever don't turn off a game don't you dare turn off a game watch all the commercials click all the ads like that's what the subtext is but this series is a microcosm of what today's nhl is uh you think a team is dead and that's the team most likely to win a team goes down to nothing like they are damn near favored to win that game it's crazy in the second period in the second period said um a 57 year old adam wilde i'm proud of that take okay hey you got it you nailed it that take you 100 nailed it that's when the game winning goal was scored there you go there you go thank you shorthanded yeah oh my god that was great uh and by the way a little bit of

love for connor brown no a little love for connor brown i think he's got three points in this series okay he's and and he was part of that shorthanded goal and he set up adam henrik's goal yeah three more than steve and drew it wow he drew a penalty too because he kept his legs moving he's a good player yeah good player it's it's i think it's a testament to the oilers patience with him because people yelled and screamed uh dude get him out of the damn lineup and you know when they're like oh yeah he's played 54 games or whatever it was doesn't have a goal i'm like dude like what what kind of stubborn nonsense is this yeah but you got to remember this was always supposed to be a rehabilitation year um because of his injury i just i i don't think they thought it would take

this long hence the like three million dollar bonus or whatever yeah um but it's not shocking to me that he's getting better two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. You've got to try breakfast at A&W.

You gotta try breakfast at A&W And what better way than with a delicious Pret Organic Coffee Starting at just $1 all day, every day, now until December 31st You gotta try breakfast at A&W At participating A&W locations in Ontario so i told you guys that uh i wanted to talk about jim montgomery okay what's jim montgomery's most memorable quote of the playoffs um when he challenged david posternok after game six heading into game seven okay that is not the one i thought you were going to pick it's a good one

uh uh was he talking about was it was it the uh toronto travel complaint it was the talk to mike babcock one is i thought oh yeah yeah now remember uh he jim montgomery he said i had a real good conversation with mike babcock before game six about owning the moment and how to push your team through was it game six or seven he said after game six oh after and then and then after game seven is when he repeated this yes dan robson and katie strang uh put together an article i wanted to read this so bad i didn't have the time profiling mike babcock yeah and i think it was because of that quote that it was like yeah maybe we should talk about him a little bit well i you know he's like basically a pariah like he's kicked out of the league except that he's not well

meanwhile all these coaches still speak to him and revere him so he's very much still influential yeah yeah well uh here's what's here's what's interesting um one of the so in the article and i won't repeat everything in the article because there's some very interesting stories read it verbatim the uh quote the issue is he's still a powerful guy said one of mike babcock's former players who like some others asked not to be named because he fears reprisal from within the nhl that's crazy quote and he's connected with a lot of influential people so mike babcock while no team will hire him right now is very much all the coaches all still talk the reason that coaches salaries are going up is because mike and a few of the other ones got together

and said we're going to start negotiating a little bit harder together under the same agency which makes a lot of sense business-wise but also this is a guy who is still very much like we talked about what was it um who was the la coach that that the leafs uh interviewed uh and he was a san jose coach and he was an edmonton coach and not dualipa seth myers no uh todd mcclellan todd mcclellan and i i was not i'm not a todd guy because he's a babcock disciple and you said what steve they all are they all are uh like it's it's babs i'm trying i'm trying to think of the cabal it's babs it's hitchcock i don't remember if joel quinville's in there montgomery obviously talks to him um is cooper in there uh i don't know i don't know um i'm trying

to uh um bill peters was in there certainly um can't think of them all offhand but yeah they all talk uh so uh the one of the quotes from the articles just at the beginning he got away with a lot of stuff in an era where nobody really brought light to any of the stuff that he did a couple of revelations from the article that i think you'll find very interesting the mitch marner story which we all know at this point where mitch uh was famously told to write down who he thought wasn't working hard he put his own name on the list and then he put tyler bozak's and now some cadres and he thought that list was going to be private between him and Babs

and he was trying to take responsibility for where he was at. That, Mike then shows that to Tyler Bozak and Nazem Khadri and Mitch was apparently so mortified by that that it brought him to tears. And I can understand why. The guy's like 18, 19 years old

and it's an extraordinarily, incredibly shitty thing to do. Here's what predates that. It's fascinating stuff. and that this part people act like the first bad thing he ever did was with the leafs oh no red wings fans got something for you so we've talked about this on the show and we knew this story before it really kind of got out there but mark hunter who was the head of leaf scouting at the time wanted to draft mitch marty he co-owns the knights he knew how good mitch was etc etc

and it was great scouting fantastic pick yeah and also he would know him better right i mean whether you know regardless of what you think of mitch and how it's gone dude scores like 90 points every year he's fucking great babcock and according the article made it clear to team hot to hockey ops that he wanted a different player that's not what we've heard what we heard is something to the effect of we're not drafting children we're drafting men and so and and which is essentially the same thing yes and he didn't want to draft mitch marner there is a story earlier on in this article that actually mentions a friend of friend of the show jason york german t toff and uh denny lambert from the anaheim ducks and how mike treated them oh i've

talked to york chop about it now it's completely out there now but well i'll let you read it in the article because it's really really good the article is about how mike likes to single out players embarrass them and uh and there's another one i'll mention single out players and embarrass them. And if you're on his shit list, then he's the guy that he'll just come back and treat you like crap, right? And that's what he did. Mitch Marner was on this list until Mitch Marner played his way off of it. After the first period of Marner's first preseason game, the year he was drafted, Babcock approached him in the tunnel and told him he was being sent back to junior rather than sharing the news in a private meeting. I'm quoting directly from the article.

Babcock's approach, relaying the disappointing news after a single period, was viewed by some in the organization as unprofessional and callous. Later that fall, Frankie Corrado was picked up on waivers. Then Frankie tells his story about Mike told him, he said, I have no idea who you are. Fuck off. Corrado remembers Babcock telling him. He then told Corrado to meet him in his office at the Leafs training facility the next day at 8 a.m. corrado arrived early knocked on babcock's door but the coach told him he didn't have time to see him corrado waited for an hour and a half but babcock never made time so that does that not

perfectly line up with the blue jacket story yeah come and see me for lunch you got to drive all this way all right show me your phone dickhead and i'm gonna look through your phone yeah beat it yep um it's just a power thing but peter holland lost his position to byron phrase in 1617 hoping to discuss the demotion holland went to leaf's practice early he found babcock eating his breakfast and the coach told him he'd find him as soon as he was done nearly an hour later babcock called him into the office uh he said you're here to remind me that you're still on the team but you've lost your job and all you can do right now is show up in practice holland recalls babcock saying now tell me what you came here to tell me so you can go home and you could tell your family

and your agent that you said what you wanted to say what the fuck and then before the western canada road trip and i remember this in november leafs gm lou lamorello told holland he'd be staying back while the team worked out a trade uh for a market where he'd get more playing time at a news conference in edmonton the next day babcock gave reporters the impression it was holland's decision not for him not to travel with the team he said holland met with lou had his agent on the phone and decided he wasn't coming on the trip which is decidedly not what happened what a dick and then he and then he shit talked holland after yep yep and and so um you know it's interesting now and i and i want to bring this up for a couple of reasons

first off mike babcock shouldn't be in charge of people no he says at the end of the article oh i wouldn't want to be a coach in the nhl again bullshit yes you absolutely would you would die to be a coach in the nhl it's not about his hockey mind it's his inability to handle power yes yeah yeah i think to just support your claim there's the part in there about the mlse staff that he used to chastise uh daily so i'll just read that little sentence there but um babcock read the article babcock was known to chastise support staff workers if his routine was derailed or the environment didn't meet his standards former players and employees said he often focused on one person in the office each day and hounded them repeatedly when you work for babs everyone

is on their toes no one is spared a former staffer said so he'd literally just walk in the office and just hound people and be rude to them for no reason this guy shouldn't be in charge of people as he said early in babcock's tenure with the leafs after team trainers completed player evaluations ranking worth work ethic on a three-level scale red yellow and green he called players into a meeting with the team's training staff and projected the red reviews on the wall for all to see training staff said that they had been led to believe the evaluations would be confidential now i i i uh there's so there's a bunch of other stuff in this article specifically the anaheim story i had no idea how he treated those guys had no idea it was that bad you haven't

even mentioned a detroit story which is great well and there is there's a there's an erickson one that i we could talk about but again well without reading the entire yeah it's behind the paywall yeah let them i'm giving you the tease here all right part of this made me sit back this morning and think okay i still disagree with how it was handled in 2019 but i understand a lot more now why the mitch marner camp were as hard as they were on the leafs uh in that negotiation because if you remember he was still the coach babcock yeah he was still the coach but you remember babcock demoted him to the fourth line for a while and like two games for two games and it was a big thing was made of it but he he didn't get his rookie bonuses because lou said i'm bound

to determine no one's getting their rookie bonuses so what did austin matthews do he waited till august and said i'm not playing for you unless you give me the rookie bonuses the difference is i'm the first overall pick stupid yeah so give it to me and and mitch said i'm the fourth overall pick it's not that different it's it's different that's how he would look at it it's different and i can understand a little bit more because we at the time what we were saying was wait a second because because what came out what came filtering out through particular reporters who the marner camp were hooked into was well they feel mistreated by the leafs organization and his fans your first reaction is this guy's the most popular guy in the team what do you mean mistreated everybody

loves this guy everybody's buying this guy's jersey steve you're doing video about marner drinking seven ups and and and then going going mountain dew that's what it was dude the marner jar yeah like oh steve's so hard on marner no one remembers the marner jar the marner jar was um so marner was having a crazy breakout year when he was due for a contract extension and i invented the marner jar which was basically you have to put money in a jar every time you go oh no mitch's number is going to be so high no you want it to be high because if it's high that means he's performing incredibly which he did and then someone made a marner jar website and i the money went to was it sick kids yeah or he said i can't remember and it raised like thousands of

dollars because of how incredible this player was i had a year-long bit about how incredible this player was and no one should complain about the number so when when when i look at this story specifically i can understand how a representative a senior member of this organization mistreated this player and how as a father myself i would be upset on my son's behalf for how this team treated my championship winning mvp son who came into the nhl and produced right away right away 60 plus points as a rookie and and i probably could have had more and and so my my my whole thing in this is listen do i still do i still think that they mishandled that negotiation yes oh yeah unquestionably so i think the lease also mishandled it too by

caving uh you should have let him sit and you should have got the number down what does the number come in at if the leafs fire babcock when dubas allegedly wanted to fire him i want oh you need him to coach until mid-november we we need him to get fired when we all knew he was going to get fired anyway yeah i had that read from the very fucking beginning i had that read from the moment boston eliminated what is concerning to me though is how many guys like jim montgomery are openly cool with this guy i am openly cool with this guy and there are stories in here guys that are going to make your fucking skin crawl how long is the article the article is is i don't i don't know how many i'm a word measure word count or whatever it's

long how many scrolls it's katie strang and dan robson so you know that it's like you know when those you they both write long you always call well because it's an expose yeah yeah so so what you you you call rick rick westhead sometimes the grim reaper right like it's like when he starts when he comes out it's like oh and and i would say katie is in that in that realm as well where key dan low key dan dan for sure and i i wanted to i wanted to highlight this because i do think some of the mitch marner frustration comes from that yeah and i think it's important as a least podcast that we like hey that's new information we haven't seen that before oh absolutely no absolutely it's all part of listen if he gets traded i will be ashamed well it'll be a shame

but i plan on on doing a like a timeline like because you know sometimes you look at what he's accomplished and what he hasn't but you know what he's accomplished and why so many fans are like excited for him to get traded you have to go back and be like how did we get here what this is one of the most popular players happy-go-lucky like what personal controversies has he really had you know what i mean you know he he wasn't you know austin going and you know having a night on the town and friggin trying trying car doors and shit um you know this is a guy who shows up throws up a billion points um likes to crack jokes you know ilya samsonov people are talking about how he stinks and he's talking about how he believes in him uh he talks about how pontus

holmberg's his favorite player you know he's he's you know it seems like he's nothing but positive at least with his teammates they talk about how he's a great human being why is there this dark cloud surrounding this player it can't just be he doesn't get it done in the playoffs well it's not or you know that we know we know it's part of part of it is the negotiation part of it is the play and i think part of it is his cornball agent i think that people are not thrilled with his camp camp yeah and by the way he chooses to employ that camp so he has to bear that responsibility i i wish i wish he stuck up for himself and i wish people would stick up for him

um i think no no you're not i'll leave it and so so i just think that this is this is an article you should read and i think i'm concerned for you know we talk about mike babcock it's so funny in here he talks about you remember you remember his response on uh the fan 590 i don't think you should go over more parts are you going to more no no this is a part this is a this is a this is not a new piece of information okay how long does this article have to be out for us to just go over each piece of it well yeah you shut in because it's no i know yeah no but this was this was a fan 590 clip which was i think bunk has had babcock on and he said what do you think about these accusations and babs like well i especially when it came to johan franz and oh i

you know i wish i'd i wish he'd told me at the time especially as a big advocate for mental health because remember mike babcock was a big mental health advocate here in toronto i remember that and you think about this and you go so that as a coach that's your guy that's the guy you look up to jim montgomery and other coaches jim's the only one jim said the quiet part out loud lots of them lots of them after the way he treated those people really there's nobody else scotty bowman's still alive you can call scotty i i uh you know the leafs i'm trying to remember did they keep any of babcock's assistants even well dj smith was one of them and he left wasn't jim hiller another one jim hiller was another one and he's in anaheim dj smith was there after babcock though

was he with was he not with sheldon i think for the rest of the season yeah yeah he was he remained And he got the Ottawa job? Yeah. I mean, it's rare an entire staff gets fired mid-season. Yeah, that didn't really happen. One thing that's not mentioned there, well, it's mentioned briefly, but there's no other details in it, is his time at the University of Saskatchewan

and coaching the men's hockey team. We've heard from a number of people that he was an absolute tyrant there at the university, just to add to their reporting there. And there's allegedly some allegations about them hiding money to pay him as well. Yes. With that with that gig. Is that public or is that just stuff that we've been told? Stuff we've been told that I'm not afraid to say publicly because he's a tyrant.

Yep. Damn. Impropriety is the way it was phrased. Yeah. Impropriety. Not well liked. There's a reason why he was there a year. Mm hmm.

Do you understand that? That his kid was on the staff receiving a lot of money. allegedly allegedly so i i just think man i think we're done with mike babcock and i think we can be done and i think these guys need to fucking grow up damn and so that's and and that's a message to a i think a very good coach in jim montgomery fucking grow up man like how many how many how many more stories need to happen for you to go you know what he's got a good hockey mind but i probably shouldn't i probably should move on from this well it's defiant right it's defiant um people sticking up for their guy like that is it was it's that's stubborn to the point

of of lunacy yeah but that's one of those quotes where i remember at the time being like that's insane um but sometimes i don't go in as hard on something because i'm like okay the jim montgomery and the boston bruins just knocked off the leaf so i don't want to seem like a sore leaf fan here but like i don't hate jim montgomery no but like that quote is it's kind of wild quote sucks dude quote sucks dude sucks just sucks like if you're it sucks it it makes what it does to me is it diminishes jim montgomery association with this man is it should be he should be a pariah i was pretty surprised i mean babcock has made it's not the diss i think he thinks it was he was trying to spear leaf fans and spear the leafs organization i don't think it's the flex heath no necessarily

steve i mean probably but not necessarily come on what do you mean not necessarily mike babcock it's he could have just said a coach he said mike babcock because he wanted to twist the knife because he finally got it done in the first round good for you jim thrilled for you thrilled for you my point is listen he's a good coach don't bring yourself down by associating with this person because bad people create bad situations and they suck you into it you do not win when you associate with objectively bad people here's one of them that's my opinion and the guy at the end and i love just love the quote at the end of the article he says he doesn't want to be a coach again shut up i don't believe you'd be a coach right now if you could well you don't want to

be a coach why were you being interviewed by the new york rangers and columbus blue jackets last year then no he's full of shit was he really interviewed by the range yes he was um Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca.

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I just want to say a big congratulations. Hey, the first ever two-time PWHL champions. What do you mean? They won it once the previous game. Had the goal disallowed. Yes, yeah. They're like, all right, fine, we'll do it again. And they pulled it off.

Good for them. And also, they beat Boston, and we're happy about that. Yeah, I think Taylor Heisey officially gets the crown for best player in women's hockey. Well, I mean, what a friggin year. First overall pick ever, literally the first ever overall pick and then playoff MVP champion. Yeah. How do you have a better year than that? No, I think I think she gets the she gets the belt now.

I did not know this, but the Walter Cup was specifically designed and crafted by Tiffany and co. So it is like it was done right, the Walter Cup, which is kind of neat. And also, Hi-C did win the playoff MVP as well, which I think is pretty cool. And there's something about being the first team. Like, you might win a championship next year, but we were always the first. Oh, 100%. Like, that's a forever flex. It's something special about the inaugural year.

i mean it's something that's been built toward for years and years and years and you'll forever be the first you'll forever be the first if it takes you 10 11 12 years to get the next one doesn't matter uh you will you will always be the first they can never take away your spot in history it's uh i think it ends what's been an extraordinarily successful year for women's hockey in a way that i don't even know like they listen people i think we were talking about it because the game was going on at the same time as i was streaming the edmonton game and people were like well but they still need names for next year yeah i was like guys but they know that's how they know that they're aware that they put this lead together in four months four months yeah they

got the they got the the the the cba done and then they're like okay we have the fall to do this yeah looking back on all of the early criticisms of like hey there's no team names like we want more cities and all this stuff i feel like all of it was unwarranted to see how impressive it was to get this done in that short amount of time and to have a full run league happen in that short span and then for it to be that successful like it's it's only praise for the pwhl and getting everything done and doing it their own way you know they didn't just go and do wnhl yes it's a completely unique other league with different rules with there don't even have like the structure of hey we have team owners and they own these teams you can do it they know they own all

the all the teams as well and it's a completely unique experience and they got it done a short amount of time and it was a complete success i'm surprised like based on my opinion at the time because i hated that they didn't have team names i'm surprised how little it mattered it didn't matter it didn't matter it didn't freaking matter like it's it's awkward saying it yeah because like like when i i went to a couple games this year and i was like i'll be like oh hey my dad or whatever i'm on the way to the game the toronto pwhl women's franchise you know i can't be like i'm going to toronto huskies game or anything like that because it's hard it's awkward to say it once you get over that one awkward sentence it doesn't matter it's over yeah the purple one

we're cheering for the purple one should mention hayley salvian reported this morning uh in her article about what so her article is the pwhl's first season over what worked and what are the top priorities for year two and she said let's get this out of the way quickly team names and logos are coming on the tsn broadcast of game five wednesday night amy sheer league senior vp of business ops said the names and logos will be announced august august in august yes hey i appreciate it because august is tumbleweed month for hockey yes emergency podcast i don't mind let's jump on i don't give a shit yeah i'm down yeah let's go through let's rank let's rank the top six let's do it i'll do it from my helicopter one of the other things that hayley mentions and

and and you know obviously she said arenas matter because a lot of a lot of teams had to split time between different arenas but specifically the new york situation oh they're not new york they're not in new york connecticut yeah yeah it was awful yeah uh so ubs arena was one of did did hold a couple games i think total mortgage arena in bridgeport connecticut and prudential center in newark the practice rink is in stanford connecticut too awful no the idea that you're the new york team and you put the team out in connecticut you're trying to build a fan base like that but then you give them the leeway because they did it in like two months at what point do you just become we are the northeasterners yeah like i don't know do you have to change the

name so are they figuring out for next season getting them in manhattan or something stan Kevin Caston, who's one of the top league advisors, said, we obviously want to be in New York. If you're a league at all, you have to be in New York. The Prudential Center, where they got their best turnout, 5,100 fans, which is a lot for a new team, 64 miles from their Stanford practice facility. So you got to be in New York. You got to be in New York.

So that, I think, obviously, they know what the brands are going to be. If they're saying we're announcing in August, they know what the brands are going to be. they're finalizing the design and they're putting together the sizzle reel right now here's what we want here's how we want the announcement to go it's going to be late august we're all going to get jacked and excited right so the i would imagine top priority is new york and arena and they have to figure out how to be get get somewhere in the state yes that's close to close to manhattan go go on long island or something i don't know just one of those

there's plenty of rinks in the new york downtown area like they need to move the practice facility and just make it the New York team. Yeah, agreed. They'll figure it out. The league will play at least 30 games next year versus the 24 we got in the regular season this year. Stan Kast, 24 this year. 24 and...

At least 30 next year. Nice. There's not going to be an expansion team yet, although games in Detroit and Pittsburgh were hugely successful. The Pittsburgh Penguins owners are really angling to get in on it. Yeah.

So I like that. Fenway's smart. They're not idiots, right? Like, they know. This is happening. Uh, so we're looking, uh, they're saying that they expect more neutral site games at NHL venues next season. Um, and obviously, you know, they're going to probably use these as test markets. So Pittsburgh and Detroit did really well. You would expect, I'm actually surprised there wasn't a team in Detroit to start, uh, you know, like original six type of thing. Um, and the other issue obviously is travel because travel has become extraordinarily expensive, especially post pandemic as airplane airlines look to pay off the loans that they took out to stay solvent um that's why travel's so expensive by the way there's a bunch of loans to pay off for these airlines isn't that great um who's paying for what uh all of us uh so it'll be very interesting

to see what they do and they're also looking at potentially expanding uh reserve lists as well and if you you know someone like amanda kessel joining the draft for year two is going to be fascinating to watch that's a bit of a monkey wrench eh huge yeah i saw that it was like wait how did oh yeah yeah they're gonna need i would imagine what do you think in the next five years they're probably 10 to 12 teams five years is a little quick you think yeah double the size yeah i think to double in five years would be a little quick maybe a little slower than that okay fair enough yeah um when is so the season's not going to be january to june anymore it's uh it's different next year did you have it there uh they uh i didn't i don't i didn't see it in haley's

article it won't be it's not gonna be january to june okay no there's a there's a different i believe it's starting earlier it's going from like i want to say november or december to like early or late april or may but it's not the january schedule we got oh they're adding to it yeah they're getting they're getting on like their regular this was like the the half season right so they're getting on their regular schedule or whatever it'll be right but do you guys think it would be beneficial if they ran it like the wnba schedule where they're off the nba schedule So if the PWHL started in, let's say, late May or early May and ran through till October, so it's not competing with hockey. Do you remember how ass the ratings were for the bubble playoffs, the bubble Stanley Cup playoffs?

No, I don't remember that. No one wants to watch hockey when it's hot out. No, I thought captive audience, no one's allowed to go anywhere. No one cared. so that that i mean we have so little um precedent to draw from for this like okay if it works out like the wnba it'll go well if it works out like the bubble playoffs for the nhl it's going to be a disaster do you think there was other circumstances like a pandemic yes so it's something they could try it's something they could try i mean you also have to skate on ice which can

be a pain in the ass depending on the market um i'd be open to it i mean like if we're not going to cover baseball full-time it would certainly help us that's why i'm looking i also think having it as spring summer league opens the the women in the game to always participate in the olympics without having to ever pause the season like if you start in if it starts in march like you never have to worry about an interruption and you're coming off the olympics which is a huge jump carry the momentum from february into the opening of the season plus the world championships if it takes place around that time as well they're also free to participate in that and like who knows if there's also i don't know if it's a winner league like a three on three league or something like

that steve's familiar but it opens them up it opens them up to off-season opportunities when hockey is actually going on yeah i mean it could be pretty interesting to graduate from university and then be playing pro like a month later so that's what i think is the genius of how the ncaa does march madness and the wnba does their season caitlin clark went from the finals of the march madness tournament to two three weeks later being drafted first overall to two three weeks later the season starting yeah what was it like a month yeah so since september when she was playing in the ncaa she hasn't stopped playing basketball and won't until the wmba season ends so i think it'd be cool like you have those university kids and the draft takes place immediately after

the season and then they enter the league and you carry all of that momentum and by the way sharp as hell right you're coming off march madness and then you walk right into training camp like it's outrageous and they're already fresh and they're going and they're ready like Like, I don't know. I think I'd be fried by the end of the summer. Yeah, but you're also 20. Yeah, this is the time to be fried. Yeah, use those young legs.

The Stanley Cup schedule is out. Saturday, June the 8th will be the start of game one, no matter how these series go. By the way, it's May 31st as of this recording. So if by chance we get a double Edmonton win or a double Dallas win or a double or or florida finishes off new york on saturday we're talking five or six days in between yeah there's just gonna be a gap yeah and and then you've got uh so saturday june 8th monday june

10th then three days later thursday june 13th saturday june 12th obviously they want they want their saturdays tuesday june 18th for game five friday june 21st for game six monday june 24th for the potential game seven so i think two things can be true at the same time one the Stanley Cup final needs to have these two-day breaks. Anytime a team goes east coast to west or west to east during the regular season, the NHL schedule makers do their best to get them a break in travel. The other thing that is true is the season is too long, man. 24th is the game seven.

That's so late. So here's what could potentially happen. Game seven on June 24th. the nhl draft is then a few days later june 28th 29th day off free agency yeah time the end of june is going to be not why and here's the thing why started in mid-october i don't know we talked about a last episode started october 1st i agree i agree for the u.s markets which is the majority of the nhl you want the least amount of time competing with football like that's that's the that's the honest answer the way the nhl looks at it there are the majority of the league is in

america and all of these markets that also have football you're going up against it you want to limit that amount of time right if they get pushed the start i'm sure they would you know if they get to start the nhl in in november if i have to do any any more freaking like july 20 25th okay now it's the draft guys remember that like oh my god it was so weird well yeah and like baseball playoffs are also two but that's less consequential just football is number one and you want the least amount of time that you're competing with football so wait the nhl wants as many people as possible to watch it could have fooled me stop it stop real nhl the real nhl um uh all right jesse uh if there's not if there's nothing else i'd like to do the press conference to end our friday

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Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. let me pull up the questions here we had a question from natasha that relates to the real nhl that steve dangle will never let go of nope i'm so happy i read that quote to you um natasha says will shelvin keith still get a tribute video after his real nhl statement from the leafs yes he was their coach for half a decade and also uh i said this excuse me i said this on twitter and i said it on the stream and i said it at boston pizza uh but let me just reiterate it for this audience that this is where i had the rant i don't hold that sheldon keith quote against

sheldon keith because it's not a keith quote it's keith relaying something he was told by several coaches so it's not Sheldon Keefe going glad I'm out of there you know it was just him relaying what he was told and I I was just so upset by it and I just feel like it's a complete loser mentality that uh unless I've missed it I feel like you don't get in other sports and if you do say it people call you a friggin loser mm-hmm glad I'm not the coach of the Lakers anymore i'm glad i don't have to deal with the knicks sure sure glad i'm done with the patriots oh man i would never want to be with man united or barcelona yeah it's also worth mentioning that uh without his time in toronto sheldon keith doesn't get the whopping contract he just got

from the devils no no you think i'm sorry you think that he makes that much money now that they just tear up his deal come on no you come on i don't think i think sheldon keith is disappointed with how things ended and i mean i've been laid off before or fired before and it's not like i was super stoked about the place who did it yeah um you know but you know time goes by and i'm like well it ended up being what was best for me like i don't wish i was still there you know what i mean and maybe he does but i think next year when he has success with the Devils which I think he's going to have uh I don't think he's going to regret it so that real NHL quote I don't attribute to Sheldon Keefe even though he's the one who said it okay and you hate

him uh I like him yeah you hate him as a person and his family uh this is from Kevin Maloney says who do you think is the Angel Hernandez of the NHL okay now we're all time plus Steve wants to talk about Angel Hernandez a little bit yeah and I have it written down here yeah no this is a great question because someone i didn't realize that um i had tied myself to angel hernandez in any way but um at boston pizza uh one of the one of the people there asked he goes new episode drop i go yeah he goes you talk about angel hernandez i go no and he looked really disappointed um so here's my thing with angel angel hernandez before i answer your question or in order to answer your question so i did what a lot of baseball fans um did when angel

hernandez announced he was retiring and i watched a compilation of all his fuck-ups oh i thought you're gonna say celebrate oh well i mean throw a party but i wasn't sad dance i'm not sad he's gone like here let me be as harsh as possible i'm not sad he's retiring and baseball is better now that he's not okay or in games that's as harsh as i can be now i watched a compilation of all his greatest mistakes and unless i'm missing something or some story comes out about him i counted out of maybe 25 30 screw-ups that were in this video one where he did the typical umpire thing of like inserting himself into a situation usually he would make a call and it was his call and he left it at that if you're gonna scream and yell at him yeah he's

gonna throw you out but there are so many umpires of the mlb that relish getting into fights with guys inserting themselves into situations making it deeply personal and being grossly unprofessional and i never really got the impression that was angel hernandez he just had a strike zone shaped like in like a friggin rhombus like i i don't like he could not call balls and strikes for the life of him for the absolute life of him and like a retired umpire like joe west coming out and defending him i'm like you're not doing what you think you're doing right now joe you're actually people were like oh i think i feel bad for angel and joe west is like i think he did a great job and it's like oh okay well that confirms he did a shit one joe um he kept it professional

As much as I hate the way the NHL is officiated, MLB umpires are the most grossly unprofessional officials in all of sport. All of sport. If I could fire them all in one fell swoop, I would. And yeah, that would get rid of a few really good ones. They're grossly unprofessional piss babies who have no spot in the game. and it always gets deeply personal with them so who's the angel hernandez of the nhl like i i said all that to define who angel hernandez was so we're talking about a guy who's not unprofessional they just always make bad calls um and they're popular amongst their peers

i don't know i i kind of think that describes west doesn't it i don't know i don't think west is unprofessional I also don't think Wes is that bad no he's not that bad that's why I don't like the I don't think there's a comparison that needs to be made here I think this is a very special case you got to remember Angel Hernandez sued the MLB because they they he

said that there was racial bias because he hadn't been assigned to a World Series since 2005 and what the MLB did was they went to court and they showed all the terrible calls that he'd made and they also showed racially who they'd promoted into the playoffs and who they didn't and there was no statistical

evidence that a angel hernandez deserved to be there and b that they had discriminated discriminated not just against him but against anybody and and this is the kind of guy who he he was bad and then indignant and there that's that's where you lose people like if i don't know how nhl referees are i i haven't i have a sense because there are a couple of them former ones on twitter one you know that that's all i disagree with each other all the time well they say things sometimes i'm like i don't get it but it helps me understand in the absence of actually talking to the refs what how you know what that what the mentality well they won't talk to us they would talk to us they won't no like they won't talk oh you mean ref ref refs yeah they won't talk publicly

no they well they can't they don't justify their decision they're not allowed they're not allowed to they're not allowed to i assume some of them want to at some points but they're not allowed and so in with in angel hernandez's case he's just a guy who is bad at his job and he's in a union and they couldn't get rid of him and but now he's just private citizen angel hernandez and all the power to him excellent lovely i hope you have a great life man you should enjoy it did you see the tweets like that's angel hernandez finally got a call right he's retiring yeah that's the low-hanging fruit it's a good shirt it's a good shirt it's a good shirt no and he's you know that's funny i get to spend time with my family that's beautiful man i you know i

genuinely for uh i i want you i wish you happiness for the rest of your life don't call any more baseball games that's all that's all yeah like it it just sort of now that it's over like there's an end of the story i'm like okay this is complete we can put a bow on it i'll cheer for the person now yeah and i but it got to the point though where every game he called was a story yeah because it was bad and you know was he was was it disproportionate probably probably this strikes i need i need somebody to do an inside story about how the mlb finally got him to go maddie don't bring this up there's an exclusive inside look at angel hernandez's signature angel hernandez's signature on his retirement papers a good sure he did not hit the line uh

where he was supposed to sign that is no he would tell you he did it perfectly his strike zone was so wide and so narrow a like like the top and bottom of his strike zone like that was the one thing i noticed consistently is it was about i don't know 12 feet wide and maybe a foot tall one thing that will make all of this so much better is the robot umpires that are coming eventually they're gonna be a little delayed rob manfred said they probably won't be ready for the 2026 season but hopefully by 2027 or maybe even 2028 which isn't i wish it was a little quicker than that the robot umpires will come but they'll be here eventually the way we all watch tv and there's the little box there that shows where the pitch is the umpires will have that it'll tell

them if it's a striker ball and they'll just call it based off that it'll be fucking fabulous no what what if what if yeah instead of that they were just like strike that's what that's what it is right now yes oh but that's also how it's been for the 150 years of baseball they lean over with their you know like angel hernandez did that job with the bad back too like that that's why he missed the first part of the season it's crazy i can't imagine being an umpire and like having a sore back but you literally you're leaning over all these people and you're going yeah that's what it is well it's like gotta keep saying why do why if better technology exists why don't we use it

yeah i say in the nhl too yeah why why do we need linesmen to call an offside when we can have one automatically tracked why do we need review like instant review when we know that a chip in the puck despite oh we gotta look at 50 camera angles no just put a chip in the puck put a chip in the blue or in the red in the red line if it crosses the red line it's a goal no adam it should be uniform it's easy it's right tennis did it it's like it's like soccer soccer does it soccer does it too that var or what do they call it but what about fall wouldn't that be better some guy standing in a big lifeguard chair and he goes well no on a ridiculous angle by the way when you think about how uh tennis umpires sit and they're up in that chair and you know they're

not making the calls though they're not anymore they used to well before before the thing they used to make the calls no no i mean i know they have they have the guys in the lines they make the line all the line calls yeah all right i just feel like the people who put your hands oh yeah yeah it's in you know yeah i liked your uh i liked your impression of it i think i think i was as a kid uh a volunteer at the rogers cup no you weren't yeah i didn't get to i didn't get to do the i was too old to do the ball p i want to be a ball boy yeah actually at the on the court and doing things so i just volunteered like around the stadium at york university because we're carolyn cameron and daniel michaud from sportsnet they were they were uh they were the the ball

person oh nice yeah like little guys with fast feet they couldn't have jesse taking two steps You would have been on SportsCenter top 10 with a rhyme. When I volunteered, I was, I think, like 16 or 17. I think they keep the kids under 15 on the ones on the court running back and forth. But I just did the bus. When you get the shuttle bus to the stadium, I'd be there. I'd be like, hey, go to the shuttle bus. And then I got a bunch of free gear.

It was the best part of the whole thing. So I still have a bunch of Rogers Cup gear. And at the end of one of the nights, because you get free grounds pass as well if you're a volunteer. they had the bag of tennis balls that were the ones that aren't good any because you know how they switch out tennis balls and everything so fast they you're not allowed to use them in play anymore so they just they just discard them and i took home one of the bags of tennis balls and it was like 200 tennis balls in a garbage bag you took the whole bag oh and my parents were like what the fuck what are we gonna do with all these tennis balls like i don't know they're free

tennis balls they're professional what did you do with them i just we've had them at the house for like a year like years and they all just got knocked into your neighbor's yard yeah so we had a bunch of tennis balls it was awesome best time that's great yeah i love that yeah anyways last thing may 28th a couple days ago was the anniversary of uh harambe and not just the anniversary of harambe but our dear old friend mike francesa we haven't spoken about mike francesa in quite a while if you're not familiar he is one of the most famous new york radio personalities of all time yes he uh there was wfan uh wfan is where he mike and mad dog right mike and mad dog he's mad dogs now gone on to be on espn with stephen a smith for a couple years

now and has a daily mlb show even in the winter wow like those guys like craven a and mike where they just do everything all the time it's it's an unbelievable way to do your business but mike francesa all those years was on wfn with mad dog and he's a legend in the industry but towards the end of it he would be the most old man about things and we used to run clips of when when he would be an old man about things all the time and i don't know if we ever played this one in particular eight years ago oh i'm pretty sure we did can we show this clip yeah we could it's just the audio um it'll let me know when we upload it i'll find out if we have to remove the audio it's fine we can cut this if we need to but i think we're gonna be cool playing this we were

fine playing radio audio for years yeah television audio they have a problem is where they copyright strike us and everything so this is eight years ago francesca talking about harambe can you imagine if that was your child in there you're gonna have people who are gonna say wait a second i'm worried about the gorilla when your kids in there basically maybe seconds from having his head crushed we live in a world now where you are gonna be more concerned with the gorilla than you are the little boy what's wrong with you people they're thinking about me he fell into a an area where he's in there with a gorilla who is dragging him around the habitat and you're telling me you're worried about the gorilla's welfare there is what is wrong with you there's

nothing like new york radio no there's a gorilla not the gorilla this is in between yelling about the yankee yeah this is on sports radio he's like let me tell you about the gorilla and we got a gorilla we live in a society he basically just said that we live in a society i this is where we're at and i'm like dude like there were so many other things going on in 2016 that he had to worry about but harambe no no harambe is where i draw the line not even a little bit we people fucking this is it tiki torches and fucking and he's like the gorilla and he's like why are you talking about this like you got a mets game to talk about yeah but this is what motivates you to go away from sports i love i miss our francesca segments

i think he still does it but i don't think he does it at the fan and i think he has his own app that you got to pay for we covered this oh remember he launched his app and it was a disaster you have to pay like six bucks a week or something to listen to him on the radio that his app only pales in comparison to the jeremy renner app you look up the jeremy renner app it's what we covered that too yeah you know what maybe i'll bring that to the vip episode let's do that the jeremy has an app the jeremy renner app is one of the funniest moments in internet history and is criminally underreported so next week on the vip that's what we'll talk about it it's just it was one of the funniest moments ever amazing just a great moment in

history great moment in history so don't look up anything steve all right and let's fire the extra let's get out of here anything else happened yesterday uh what do you mean oh like yesterday anything oh a big shout out to my mom who won a lifetime achievement award at the yeah i heard she swept the category 34 and oh best host best show too which was cool the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete