The Steve Dangle Podcast - Dreadline | March 2, 2026

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, 00:00 Leafs put up no effort against the Sens 36:00 Are the Leafs reuniting Berube and Doug Armstrong? 52:00 Leafs trade deadline look ahead 1:10:00 Kings fire Jim Hiller 1:29:00 Will the Preds trade O'Reilly and Stamkos? 1:36:00 Risto back in Buffalo 1:40:00 Where does Trochek go? 1:42:30 FraudVegas? And a look at the West standings 1:50:00 Matthew Schaefer continues to be great Visit this episode's sponsors: For 40 years, Canadians have been rolling and winning great prizes from Tims®. This year, there are two ways to play—in the app and on the cup—and millions of great prizes to be won! Ready to roll? Visit https://www.timhortons.ca/rollup to play now! Try Tempo Meals and enjoy balanced, better-for-you meals made with real ingredients that cook in just 2 minutes. Choose from 20 new meals each week that support your healthy lifestyle and nutrition goals. Visit https://tempomeals.com/sdp to get 60% off of your first order! If you’re thinking of starting therapy, give BetterHelp a try. Visit ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/sdp⁠ today to get 10% off your first month. That’s ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/sdp⁠. For all the odds, T’s and C’s, and to learn more visit ⁠https://betmgm.com/DANGLE⁠. 19+ to wager. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact ConnexOntario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor, free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Watch all episodes of The Steve Dangle Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLk7FZfwCEidkgWpSiHVkYT7HrIzLPXlY Watch clips of The Steve Dangle podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLk7FZfwCEieOJuIrqWyZPWSIJtVMCbLz Buy SDP merch https://sdpnshop.ca/ Check out https://sdpn.ca/events to see The Steve Dangle Podcast live! Watch hockey with us! Live on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLk7FZfwCEifCTX0vkKEaGg9otrW4Zl2k Subscribe to the sdpn YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@sdpn?sub_confirmation=1Join Subscribe to SDP VIP!: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a0z05HiddEn7k6OGnDprg/join Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/thestevedanglepodcast Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sdpvip/subscribe - Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Join us on Discord: https://discord.com/invite/MtTmw9rrz7 For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And we'll kind of go through the goings-on of the days. We kind of like to wait until after, I think it's a 3.30 deadline Eastern Standard Time for the trades to kind of... I thought it was 3. Is it 3? Whatever it is. 3 o'clock, yeah. Okay.

3 and a trickle. You should know that. There's usually a trickle. No. You idiot. Here's what I do know. here's what i do know i i knew our times the nhl times yeah yeah you know um i want to play an imagination game with you guys i want to pretend we're we're at a class and it's can i be a dragon

no it's a visual well yeah you can okay but it's a visualization class so we're in a class i'm a dragon okay so jesse you have to play this game too stop stop being serious jesse at the close the no i know i'm just i'm just bugging you being made giving you a hard time jesse's a giraffe all right jesse and steve are you in your imagination zone yes are you an imagination land yes okay because i want you to imagine you're a salamander you have a favorite hockey team okay okay you got a favorite hockey team and that favorite hockey team's in a playoff race and it's a bit of a desperate situation so you're at home oh no okay and your mortal enemies five hours up the road are in town oh and it's a playoff game in front of your home fans well how much traffic is there

There's so much traffic. Oh, that's about Ottawa. You made it, but you made it. Okay. You made it. You're on time. You even made it for warmups. Okay.

Okay. All right. And in the first five minutes, you score first. Oh. And it's one of your heart and soul leaders who's been struggling lately. That's so good. Isn't that crazy now? That's excellent.

You're not going to let these fools embarrass you at home. Heavens no. You promptly put your foot on their neck and watch their face turn purple. oh that'd be the thing to do it would be except that's not us and that's we don't live in imagination land we probably allowed 16 straight shots afterwards i'm talking of course about the toronto maple leafs who were outshot just in the first period alone 16 to 2 i wanted to be a dragon uh and i just want to throw this at you guys uh ottawa scored four times in the second period outshot the least 15 8 and by the end of just that period the leafs were out attempted 56 19

yeah that 16 straight thing climbed higher than that because the leafs didn't record the first couple shots in the second either i think it got up to 19 straight shots oh that's cool why so dakota joshua had a shot after the morgan riley goal and that was i think 330 into the first period yeah and they didn't record another shot until a couple minutes into the second so almost a full period almost a full period wow you were there so you wouldn't have seen this but like drew and i would keep doing over under on when the next shot would be and usually i was off by four seconds on one of them it was insane um but for the most part it it's like drew optimism and they blow by that and it's me pessimism they still blow by it and we're like yo this team

sucks how is it monday morning and craig berube still the coach when they started uh doing the shot stuff and not recording any not doing any shots not doing the shots it was like okay i gotta start looking up what the records are i gotta start going back and seeing how how many shots until they break some records here so i had a bunch of numbers i couldn't use because by the end of the second they started peppering some shots on there and then the third they get enough to score effects to not uh break any of these records but i thought it was very interesting that in the salary cap era the couple times that the leafs had 13 shots on goal which is their lowest total for the salary cup era they won two of those games steve you might remember these games

i think is one of them against dallas neither of them are against dallas okay hmm okay uh oh oh oh columbus or new jersey new jersey is one of them okay so oh you want to keep going no no yeah okay so in the salary cap era they've recorded 13 shots on goals three times okay that's the record that's the lowest total that's crazy one happened i'll go in chronological order boston 2012 march 19th and the eight nothing loss okay uh segan had a hat trick well done goodness wow you need to learn something else so that information gets pushed out because that's weird segan had a hat yeah i remember that that was their only loss of their 13 shot totals the next two games 2013 march 23rd it was a three to win against

jesus march 13th march 23rd 23rd three two victory 13 shots on goal in 2013 in 2013 oh man detroit boston and then oh again yeah so both of these games are against boston new jersey you already guessed it was a two nothing victory 13 shots on goal that happened april 15th 2013 wow so these guys are carlisle bad yes and that might even be wilson no 2013 would be carlisle yeah yikes yeah it wasn't even horacek till i think the next year uh 14 15 14 15 was horacek yeah we had partial yeah that's 2012 because at least we're in a playoff spot when they fired carla sure were so horacek was like pretty much january 2015 yeah the 2012 loss with the 13 shots on goal eight nothing to boston is where i thought the

game was heading but it was just as demoralizing uh and sad yeah and you know you could see that jesse in the post game uh comments and i have been dying to ask you all weekend but i've held off about what we're gonna play the answers and i've got them there on the prep sheet but i just want to know what it felt like tell me what it felt like you know first of all you can pick up a vibe when you're next to somebody that you can't through a camera totally the vibes as a whole at scotiabank on the weekend we're a little off because i want to say like four or five of the guys who are usually there are just off this whole week because of where milan happened and they had to come over here and this is their week off uh to end the season so there's a lot

less people around the team right now oh uh well this past weekend everyone's probably coming back to work right now so it felt a little smaller and even worse because there's less people around it's less jovial you know you get at least a little bit of an atmosphere when like mark masters is there and cj's there and luke fox is there and they're all missing so you don't have that environment too from the reporter perspective and then the guys they're kind of accepting finally that everything's lost and this is sad and this is embarrassing and it's a really it's a feeling of dejection out of them it's not even like a fight back towards you know us us answering them like okay you failed here like did you give up on the team did you give up on the season blah

blah you couldn't get it come out of the the first period again it's just kind of like yeah we suck and this is awful and i was tired it was clear from their performance yeah now it's it's really sad i have a question i'm dying to ask you guys but i'm a hold until we play these three clips because I think this is an important question. Okay. But let's start with Austin Matthews. Sure. And it's a pretty short clip.

It's about 13, 14 seconds. But I think it sort of sums up. At least he said what we're all thinking. Go ahead. Really embarrassing, to be honest with you. It's just not the way. We need to have more pride in our play, no matter where we're at,

no matter what the situation is. We just have to have more pride in our game, and we didn't have that tonight. All right. You can leave it there. so really embarrassing no pride in the game hey he said it they said it out loud they seem sad yeah yeah when i was around there it seemed like a whole just bunch of sad dudes in a locker room i saw him getting a lot of criticism like ah you know the the team sucks because he sucks and i'm

like no one was good like it was i think impossible to look good in a leaf uniform that night literally impossible maybe maybe dakota joshua i think it's i think it was possible to look good in fourth line minutes that's about it you couldn't possibly pin that on one person no you couldn't possibly they were top to bottom it almost made it better oh okay they're just bad you know what i mean sometimes you're in a close game and you're like if they had only done this and like one guy messed it up for everybody yeah or like this coach's decision or that man they didn't have a shot no it literally it was a team effort thing it was everybody was bad insane they were within one goal for as much of the game as they were if the sentence themselves which probably

won't be a topic conversation here have some troubles finishing and need to need to work on that part of the game and their power play isn't great but at least made their power play look decent which is the thing uh chatting with julian about is like the leafs made the sends look like the sends when they're looking at their best and they've rarely well they've had spurts of that this season but you can see like there's still a gap in the leafs against the sense i think it's hilarious that the sense allowed two goals given the the leafs performance but it also speaks to the fact that they've got goaltending issues like the fact that the leafs even scored two is shocking based on how bad they were they were that bad it is they didn't deserve two goals now let's move

on to william neilander who i don't you know william has always been a bit cocky and sure of himself and i have never minded that confident confidence good uh but now he's starting to sound very human and i i thought this press conference was one of the more poignant i've seen him give and he's known for giving shitty answers so here we go yeah I think in this answer you're gonna get the vibe that I'm trying to illustrate with what's going on with the mentality of the Leafs right now I just think that we're not you know finding our game it's uh I don't know I don't know it's hard I think it's the first time in a long time uh like the main group that's been for a while we've been in this position we're you know out looking in so we got to figure it out

pretty quickly austin talked about pride embarrassment and jake talked about confidence how do you find the pride and the confidence and maybe manufacturing yeah i mean i don't think it was really there the first two periods um came alive a little bit in the third i mean we need to have that desperation if if we're gonna you know make it to where we want to be all right let's leave it there for now listen to the way he's talking he's never been here he's never been here like obviously they're on the outside looking in uh in his first half quarter season with the leafs but like they were the reason he was with the team is they were actively trying to finish last yeah yeah right um they had a whole youth movement four guys made

their debut on one night in february that doesn't happen to good teams it was william neilanders zach hyman nikita sashnikov and kasperi kapanen in a 2-1 loss to the tampa bay lightning again sick just sick disgusting stuff um but he's never been in this position you could argue he was in in that position in his first year because they were literally on the outside looking in but there were no expectations they weren't coming off of winning the division and making it to the second round and all that stuff if you wanted to look at it rose-colored glasses like well they took the florida panthers game seven or whatever if that's the way you want to look at it um you got to be a little gobsmacked you're in the spot if you're him how do you handle it

it's a great question that he doesn't know how to answer he's never been through it austin has very literally never been through it he didn't even get the the little bit that that willie got mo poor mo getting back to his roots that's that's about it yeah on this team uh now berube had about a 40 second answer that was the one that sort of made the headlines uh and he's gonna point to his heart and then his head so if you're listening to this when he says i can't give him this it's a heart and a head but you gotta listen to the full clip in context so you can hear it here put him on the screen before you play it he needs a skincare sponsor now for the scar how is that scar look how well that's healed it's healed well that's insane yep

that dude's like that's insane good for him yeah anyway go ahead and you found trust too yeah for sure i mean i i you know i when i look at the game and show tape or we go over things there's a certain way we need to play the game but you know i can't give guys this or this and that's that's on they have to that they have to come with that that's got to be on them like they got to bring the heart and the competitiveness that's needed and it's all little things um that's they got to bring that they got to want to bring that we can bring the x's and o's and i can go in there and yell and scream at them all i want that you know that you know that that doesn't that's not gonna that doesn't do anything either all right we'll leave

it there now i'm gonna ask you guys a question and it's one that anthony petrelli wrote about in his column and it is funny because he usually does a recap of the game he's like but this is so bad there's no point in really recapping it it was more talking about where we're at yeah make a video and make a video after every game and anthony said the leafs are bad and we know they're bad yes but you can't he said you can't convince me they're this bad i agree i 100 agree yep and so considering that you can't jesse do you agree with that can't convince can't convince me they're this bad as in they're not capable of more i think that's really the way to frame it i don't think the i agree that the play style that craig brube has them play in this season isn't conducive to

winning and it would have been nice to see another head coach try and get something more of the team so that you have a better evaluation of the guys you want to keep and you want to leave if they had made this decision in the fall or in december to get rid of berube along with savard then you have an evaluation period for this team and then you we would have that answer because we don't know wouldn't be here guessing you're asking that question because it's a question still and it's a shame for this organization that it's still a question and there have been no trades since when steve july 16th 2025 and and i i actually i tweeted this week i'm like i don't know how berube survives the weekend i don't know in a normal franchise like i don't know how

you survive a performance like that but it's not a normal franchise i figured it out give it to me so there uh there was a firing um it was jim hiller got fired by the la kings and here's the difference uh one of those teams thinks they can still do something the other has given up that's the only conclusion i can come to because i'm sitting here like okay i can't believe craig is still the coach of the leafs after a performance like that um what's the point of firing him you fire him because you think you can do better to try to salvage the season so to jesse's point the time to fire him was december i still think there is use in firing now to see what you got in the guys if if that's true if somebody or whoever they use

if it's Derek Lalonde and he has them playing a different style than Craig Berube then you get answers out of the guys who will play out the season for the Leafs I agree I think there's value in firing still I agree with that but that's the the only logical explanation what the Leafs have done like in terms of decision making coaching management all of it is asinine and unjustifiable and baffling i've never felt more disconnected from what they're doing and i do they play like they're disconnected from what they're doing i don't know what they're doing i don't know what they're doing like i like when you watch them out there does it not feel like they're confused it's the worst product i think i've watched no but think about it like okay

defense gets the puck in the corner i don't know that he knows where anybody's going to be the amount of times they'll make a pass around the boards and no one's there yes the amount of times it's dumped it's dumped and it's just for the sake of changing or there's one guy on four and he's just so easily stripped dude they can't accomplish anything and so when they talk about when craig talks about heart and um um and and intelligence and in execution it's difficult to know what that would even look like i don't know and i haven't known for a while now what is the leafs brand what do they aspire to be in a perfect world what does this team what are they what are the bywords what are the though you know remember those word clouds they used to have online like

what are the major big words that are supposed to be associated with this team hard working like when i think of the one overarching theme like people talk about them being big and tough and oh look how that's backfired what is big and tough about this team there's nothing big there's absolutely nothing big and tough they're soft as hell what are you talking about oel is the only guy on there even mccabe's like not even really mixing it up oel installers are the only guys i see throwing anything it's just the easiest discourse online to be like oh okay we'll disqualify that opinion like because you're not watching what do you mean yeah what are you talking about and if you are watching then what the what's going on in your head i don't understand it

the one thing i expected this team to do was bust their ass and man they're the second Dylan Cousins right that guy's brand is the workhorse from Whitehorse he made them look like fools he looked like that looked like an elite player in the NHL and I'm not shading him I just don't think he's that he's very good he's very very good he deserves the money he's getting sends killed that trade um i think his points speak for themselves but like they made him look like a bona fide 10 million dollar center in this league and guys for the love of god you got to be better than that you have to they at one point had four shots i think it was lotting through a muffin on net there was a rebound nylander got a chance it was stopped by all mark and then

nylander scored that's three shots they almost doubled their shots in one sequence and this is like late in the second period there was nothing redeemable of that experience everyone who went to the game should get their money back people paid to watch that and again five two doesn't seem all that crazy that hides the that hides what it was whole boy whole boy completely unwatchable product there there's a you can be an entertaining bad team we've seen it this is bad entertainment holy the the amount of people who have come up to me over the the past three games and just been like i don't watch yeah my wife who watches every game with me refuses to watch now and they stop themselves mid-sentence with me because they go do you what well you have

to yeah yeah yeah absolutely and like i love the lfrs and like i love coming on here and and talking about it that's fun watching them is awful holy shit brad are you enjoying yourself when you watch the frankenstein's monster you've assembled every time you're in that press box looking down on what you've created are you proud are you at minimum entertained there it's so bad there's nothing redeemable about the product whatsoever right do you remember me ever saying that really about when was the last time you heard me say that probably 14 50 you said it a lot well that's that's the thing that was a horror check that's why this is all so shocking it's been 10 years of success yeah over yeah i think it's been over

like jesus even when they finished last there were redeeming factors to that team and there were things to watch for and young guys to be excited about and they're ruining their best prospect they have so you asked earlier about like firing craig berube and the easton cowan stuff i think plays directly into that because jonah siegel in his article the monday morning leaf report pointed out just the deployment issues that berube is having with the entire line combination with the forward group and one thing he consistently is going back to is throwing nize up there with matthews and domi and jonas had the stats from saturday shot attempts were 14 to 2 for the sens who scored twice um this season they have a 44 expected goals in over 160 minutes

and there's a case to be made that nize matthews cowan has been an effective line and he's refused to one play cowan and then two play cowan in the top six when he's in the lineup and i would like to see someone else get some sort of run with this group and see what they can get out of these players as of this morning it's kneelander mcmahon matthews all right i'm just i'm just trying i'm just saying it they're just button matching man like i don't mind nylander matthews actually like i i know they kind of avoid that to try and give like nylander his own line and matthews own line but when the goals have dried up for the leafs when it was like early on it's okay they're getting outscored but they're putting the puck in the

back of the net and he kept telling us that in the post game it's like we know it is score it's about playing direct in the right way on both sides of the ice and then now the goals have dried up too at least you're putting nylander with matthews to try and get the goals back the Leafs playing the three games that they have and Willie being a point per game during that stretch is crazy yeah completely insane um can I can I just say something about Matthews for a sec just I'm gonna jump in if Berube well when Berube gets let go because like Saturday night like no self-respecting franchise can hang on to a coach past zero shot he coaches with the next season like no shot clip this by the way i hope the most serious person runs him back what

are you talking about there might be serious people at mls what's that what's that twitter account it's the unfortunate events proceeding or like the the hockey it's like everybody somebody makes a bold prediction and then the game flips and it's the hockey one oh my god i hope that's you uh just for the funniness but but actually i hope it isn't you because i don't think he can continue i am very curious to see what austin matthews is able to put up under anybody else because you know we've talked about injuries we've talked about defensive play being very very strong we've talked about is he the guy that he was a couple of years ago and you know the back and then this and then that whatever it is if if they put in a new coach next year and maybe the

team isn't all that good but they put in a new coach next year and matthews goes off for 40 you know 50 55 goals or something like that it will be like oh my god it will just be like this is the your system compressed one of the better well the best player this franchise ever had ever and i think to your point now i was thinking like oh maybe maybe you just keep ruby to the end of the season i want to know what that looks like now because i think for future planning whether true living is here or not which i don't think he will be either and we'll get to that because there's some stuff this morning on that um minor stuff um whether or not he's still here it feels to me like uh you probably for you know franchise continuity sakes want to know what

matthews actually can be when you let the leash off him and when you stop giving him like what is it 60 defensive zone starts and shit like that like set the man up for some success here he's doing i i don't think he's doing anything bad on the defensive side of the puck i've not seen a lack of effort but at a certain point you know when a team is like okay we're done with this guy and as i said to you guys last week part of this is on austin part of the part of being the leader is going into the management group and saying hey guys we're done here we're done let's stop this do it now he hasn't done that yet probably being respectful it's a whole nhl thing but you know what i'm saying so so let me add to that because this is the this is the point i was

i was gonna make and this perfectly dovetails every time i bring up the idea of firing craig berube whoever i'm talking to goes yeah but does true living have the power to fire him what well pelly should i hell he's got the power brad should have the power he's his boss brad should have the power yeah the general manager should have the power to fire the coach on any team pardon they're in so much trouble top down trouble it's not even about the product that they put on the ice their decision making not even skills their decision making uh philosophy is all wrong all wrong we might get to the end of the week here you think you think the outlook is bleak now

but we have fairies and sugar plums dancing in our heads is that how it goes fairies and sugar plums something like that justin agrees vision just yeah sugar plums for sure visions of sugar plums visions of show but fairies works better because you need a couple of things can't just be the sugar plums on their own because fairies can also concoct sugar plums sure yeah let's go with visions of sugar plums dancing in our heads and by sugar plums i mean first round picks second round picks prospects who knows what if we get to the end of the week and they just fumble it all well let me read you something this is from cj's i love your catastrophizing but yeah but i do what if things just go horrible steve dangle we're getting awful close to the trade

deadline let me let me throw this at you we're getting there so worth noting at the top of cj's trade board okay uh and then we're gonna go to the bed mgm big story relief mcdavid there will be trades of course a dragon before the bell sounds on three at 3 p.m on friday but multiple league sources indicated over the weekend that the level of chatter was unusually low for this pocket of the calendar it's not for the lack of star power or players who can fill premium positions plenty of those who fall into those categories are available right now but the recent changes to the collective bargaining agreement including the creation of a playoff salary cap new restrictions on double salary retention and trades there seems to be an

expectation that trade activity won't match what we've seen in years gone by the nhl i don't know why they would do that screwed themselves if they wanted trade noise and all the fun we get out of big movements they screwed themselves by enacting that ltir rule where you couldn't do the fun thing that vegas always does and throw somebody on and bring them back for the playoffs and utilize ltir that way it's it's ruined the trades because there isn't as much room to move under the salary cap it's very restrictive and now we're in the first season of it i think people are starting to realize that it's we're if you wanted the fun trade stuff it's good there's going to be a lot less going forward yep getting nothing for scott lawton is a non-option yeah we non we got to go

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TaskRabbit.ca. Code DANGLE. Now, we've talked a little bit about Berube probably not coming back, True Living not coming back. We've talked about this rumor on the show for eons. And we're by no means the first show to bring it up either. But Doug McClain was on Kipper and Bourne. and he also said that doug armstrong might be a fit for the well not might be a fit probably toronto maple leaves completely disinterested and i asked around about it

and from the people that i know uh or some people that i know that would even answer the question because a lot of people are like are you kidding me don't bother me on trade deadline week uh but the the thing is is that armstrong's contract is not up yet steen is not supposed to take over till a season from now right but he's probably ready now and the blues are probably ready for a fresh set of eyes right it's pretty clear that i don't know how many times they're going to try to trade robert thomas and jordan kairu but it's pretty clear that they don't like them they're so noisy they are very noisy blues are very disproportionately noisy and it's also clear that leaf's upper management if they were going to make a change at least clear to me from the

people that i've talked to that they want a big name a la what they did when they brought in lou lamorella and the reason for that and the reason that worked before is because they had a gm waiting in the wings and lou said in his opening press conference if three years from now dubas isn't the gm then i haven't done my job right right and then he didn't like being replaced by dubas three years later but that's what happened uh and so steen is probably ready in st louis the blues probably are okay with letting doug out of his contract again i'm i don't know i haven't spoken to the blues owner about this but i'm pretty sure and the leafs want a big name and the question i would have is if doug armstrong is coming in you have to think that they're going to

bring in or anoint somebody who is going to be the successor because doug's not a young man and is doug armstrong are we doing let me ask you something is doug armstrong not the gm but the president and the way i asked or the reason i asked that is keith pelly's first year fully as president of the toronto maple leafs has been a disaster disaster and if you're an executive and you're smart and you're a survivor you know that you don't want to wear that yep and keith's probably got to understand and i think leaf fans are on to this already that he's out of his deaths he's not a he is a business person he is not a sports he's a sports business person even yeah but he's not a player person well he's in charge of the leafs the raptors uh friggin tfc

the marlies 905 the argos and what and a couple esports teams too like how how can one man possibly and the answer is they can't well and came in and he bulldozed six jobs and he was like i can do all six at once and he's proven that he can't and the raptors are now on the search for president so they're gonna maybe they're going to hire one they said that they would i don't know i'm gonna assume they are right then then you've got uh then you've got the leafs and here's the thing raptors and leafs if those teams are lost mls is in big trouble yes they are the money maker and they if fans stop going to games and as i told you last week costco is buying their tickets now uh that is a problem and so you got to have this is a premium brand in this city you got to make

sure that you stay there and it's not easy to do when there's a lot of competition for entertainment things are outrageously expensive people's buying power is going down keith your job is to focus on that part yeah your job is not to approve trades that brad treliving gives you because that's what the role is right now like you don't know dude keith doesn't know and keith should know that he doesn't know so i think if doug armstrong's coming which i tend to lean into the fact that he is i've heard it for too long i think he's coming that's i'm just gonna go on record unless if something crazy happens right now, I'm pretty sure Doug Armstrong's

going to be running the Leafs next year. If it doesn't happen, fine. Laugh at me. But I think he'd be better suited in a president's role. I totally agree. Advising a young general manager that he is going to help build up.

Completely agree. Yeah, and that person should be Brandon Pridham. Like they have the guy right there. If they want to bring in, well, I don't understand this infatuation with Doug Armstrong. I don't have it.

But if they're so hell-bent on having him in the Leafs organization, then, yeah, he should be president, but Brandon Pridham should be the GM. Hockey loves a guy who's been there. They love a guy who's been there. It's not a sport, which is – no, no. The decision-makers are not interested in innovation. Hockey might be the leaders of innovation in all of sports. We went from leather skates to, like, frigging space boots. We went from wooden sticks to bendy carbon fiber, ridiculous, practically, like, they're insane.

They're rubber and also so hard. It's ridiculous technology. Every hockey card is a photo of something that shouldn't be able to happen with a stick that's shaped like a Q. And yet. And yet. can we hire you for a job wait a sec let me see your license it says here you're only in your 50s you you're not old enough to apply for this job it's insane it's a ridiculous way of thinking and the leafs aren't the only team to do it but what a shame um i will say the leafs love hiring

a guy who who who won a stanley cup within the last decade um you know randy carlisle was one of those guys ron wilson had been how do you want a cup he'd been close uh final cup final cup final um babs had won a cup within the previous decade keith had not dubas had not which is so ridiculous because the stat is very few people ever go on well players being the exception but very few coaches and executives go on to win a stanley cup with a second team it's so rare so by odds by the odds of averages you should be like oh well based on decades of history we shouldn't hire this person but that's not how they look at it so i'll tell you something i'll tell you a that i know and if you want to know why it's like this and you're going to not like it but this is

the way it's run right now when a team makes a change at the top president gm even coach the nhl will reach out to them and they will say um here's a list of candidates that we think are qualified for that job so head office comes out you don't ask them they tell you here's the list of candidates that's insane and there are some teams that choose to interview and only interview those candidates uh and then there are some teams that choose to go outside of that right and you could tell the teams that go outside of that because they're the ones hiring gms we've never seen before you know you can look around the league like i don't need to tell you which teams they are and which teams have done it in the last 10 years i think carolina's taking the nhl's

advice i don't think they are right i don't think they are i think they did with waddell the first time but i think once they let him go they're like we got our guy and we don't need your help thanks very much right um but i look at teams like um uh like the leafs 10 years ago bringing in in dubas and hunter that was very clearly shanahan going yeah thanks but no thanks and that's when shanahan was a very dynamic change making force within this organization not a guy who was so frozen and in his previous opinions he was ignoring the evidence in front of him he did a ton of he did a ton of great stuff in that first five years that's the that's the hard thing with his legacy is he definitely changed for the worse yeah so that when you have an inexperienced ceo

and it's it's mean of me to call uh keith pelly an inexperienced ceo but in this context i'm right he did run the european golf tour he did run rogers media he did run uh tsn he did all those things that's all true but he never ran a sports team when he was the ceo of the golf tour in in europe he was running the business he wasn't running the team and so and adam how did he get hired so when head office goes to him and says here's a list of approved candidates that we recommend he's probably going to take that and how did he get hired because he knew he'd worked for both bell and rogers and they trusted he's the guy they knew yeah ah but i'm just gonna do it again the person that this obviously falls on to me guys most of all is keith he was the

president of the argos oh okay yeah and is again a little bit of a different scenario let's be honest that's that's a little different scale what is the but yes you're right salary cap like two million i don't know doesn't matter it's a different scale is the it's not the same yeah but jesse's right pointed out it's true um now so that that's the there's that's the dog armstrong stuff and we've heard that and everybody's heard that it's not a secret anymore um and to steve stat it's scotty bowman scotty bowman's the only coach in nhl history to ever win a stanley cup with two different teams as head coach and he did with three different the only one yeah yeah only one oh boy so by law of averages by hiring Craig Berube in the first place you are virtually

guaranteeing you are not going to win the cup yeah no one's ever done it well now you now you gotta hire Pete DeBoer he's never won exactly you you're bad though he would melt under the Stanley Cup is to hire a guy who's never done it you that's why Lou hired Patrick Waugh too he said it's it's usually their second stint that coaches do their best yeah you you mentioned the Leafs are selling tickets at Costco by law of likelihood you are almost as likely to walk into a Costco hire one of the cashiers as your head coach and win the Stanley Cup as you are with a coach who had previously won the Stanley Cup unless that coach is the greatest coach in NHL history who is since retired yeah unless your cashier at Costco is Scotty Bowman you're better off just

hiring anybody else yeah that's insane so any coach available you should have your list okay you got your list of 20 coaches available let's say five of them have have won a stanley cup yeah yeah it should be like guess who okay scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch okay we have 15 left and that sounds counterintuitive and insane but i've thought about this before and can i give you guys my theory on why this is the case give me the theory i want so when a coach wins the stanley cup and i think it's a large reason why craig ruby is unsuccessful right now they think that that's the way that they can get it done forever and when they do that with that team like maybe you have a good run maybe you're successful for a while like not unlike

mike sullivan three stanley cups wow so successful and then they keep doing that for the rest of their coaching career because that's what got them the stanley cup but the game of hockey moves so fast in terms of the systems and the player management everything you do as a head coach that they're still running back what they did in 2019 to win a stanley cup and it doesn't work anymore in 26 so when a guy wins the stanley cup and then goes to their next team they do what worked at their last team where they won the stanley cup and that's no longer the game of hockey and the only reason that they're on this next team is because they got let go from their stanley cup winning team because what they were doing there was not working anymore and because they won the

cup they're never going to change from that thing they're like oh it must have been the players and i was the guy who had to fall for it but it's actually them why the rest of us have to learn and grow in our careers and nhl head coaches and gms don't you know the funny thing about that blues run jesse and it was a crazy run they were in last place insane when they fired the coach at christmas time yeah they fired the coach at christmas time roughly and just to wrap it up like a head coach who hadn't won is going to a team and maybe he got fired and this is his second stint and he's trying something new because his first stint was unsuccessful to get the stanley here's the thing here's a couple of things that berube didn't have in toronto they had in st louis

alex petrangelo uh-huh arguably top five um top five of his generation arguably in 2019 he's the best five right-handed defender easily easily had to open probably one of the greatest playoff defensive performances we've ever seen both in st louis and then in vegas remember he led vegas in scoring he was incredible in the montreal year when they went to the finals like he was insane he was insane you don't have that um you haven't had you don't have guys like ryan o'reilly dude colton pareko behind yeah alex patrick yeah absolutely and and i would argue too and we've had this conversation i think we had it on agent provocateur i thought the blues run should have lasted longer but i don't think they valued petrangelo enough and let him walk

to vegas like this is a that's a team that should have won more if i'm not if i'm not mistaken so the blues had to win at such a ridiculous rate just to make the playoffs the year brube was hired the next year if i'm not mistaken his win percentage was higher like when he joined the blues he was unreal he did a really good job that that window should have been longer should have been what happened right after well covid but also they they fucked up his negotiations let's be on yes and they're like no we can do this with marco scandela no it's just the more time passes the more i'm like what happened there uh it's come yeah so so that that and i think ryan o'reilly too ryan o'reilly does absolute peak dog absolute dog in the class exactly and then you have

Binnington. And I don't think the Leafs had a goaltending issue last year in the playoffs except for the fact that their goaltender got beamed. But you know, we didn't have we've never had in this era a player take the team on their back for multiple

rounds. Ryan O'Reilly did that. Alex Petrangelo did that. We didn't have the horses. And that system worked because you had an outrageously talented team and it worked. Doesn't work now. So let's talk about where the Leafs and other people are in terms of trades right now as of this recording so Brad according to Darren Drager this morning on first up with Carlo Koliakovo Brad has gone not gone to Oliver

Ekman Larson to waive his no trade clause we know Edmonton is likely interested but he's not going to go unless he's got a deal that he thinks is workable for the Leafs first understand that you don't want to you don't want to run into a Jake Markstrom situation in Calgary where they're like hey can you waive and then not trade him like you don't do that that's a disrespectful thing to do I understand. And all of Reckman Larson told reporters at practice this morning, I want to stay. He said we want to stay. His family loves it here. See, it's not that bad to play here. He doesn't want to go, but he has a 16 team no trade list, which means half the league is possible and potentially maybe go on a Stanley Cup run with the Oilers. That might be attractive. uh the leafs have quote unquote and this is hilarious please don't roll your eyes out of your head on this one kicked tires on robert thomas which is weird because if doug armstrong comes here he's just going to trade him again i'm destined to die miserable uh and then lastly

like what are we doing freach said yesterday we're doing that scott lawton is a good candidate for the abs which i agree with i think he's a great fit there what on earth could the leafs offer the blues for robert thomas that makes sense for both teams they have nothing what on earth nothing nothing what on earth nothing what are you talking about yeah what are we doing here what if it's like morgan riley oh and a seven so don't hire doug armstrong here's what's not what is morgan riley and a seventh no no let's do this let's do this let's do it brad you want you want to do it let's do it what would make sense for the blues has to be futures right i would think so you got to assume it's a combination of futures and current roster guys okay the Leafs can't give

those things up i think is where the start of the conversation uh is and where the end of it is the Leafs don't have that to give up and can't be giving that up at this point even if you gave them cowan and danford which is dumb don't do that stupid stupid genuinely uh is that how i said it uh no no i just thought it was you know sabrina carpenter song um but i i uh i think that the leafs even if they were like we gotta have rob tom yeah rob thomas sorry i keep getting mixed up with the matchbox 20 smooth um uh if we gotta have them we gotta have them i don't think they'd be able to beat the best package out there for him even if they wanted to so so that that's there i we know bobby mcmahon is going to be stapled to austin matthews this week because

if you're going to trade him you're you're going to need to show him at his best and get him the most ice time possible and the leafs apparently bobby mcmahon's group wants a five year five million something in there no and the leafs aren't comfortable going over four yeah million which i think is fair yeah all right take care trade him yeah you have to be ruthless about this but what are we doing here's my issue after tonight if you are trading bobby mcmahon you can't play him anymore i agree three worthless games yeah like you can't have him going down no disrespect to the flyers you guys know where you're at we know where we're at let's be respectful uh we're both off we're just both just awful um you can't have him going down like on a like a weird

rasmus rista line and hit for all of you watching the next three games whoa this is our gig like we gotta like what why are you don't if if you watch it leaf fan rangers fan flyers fan devils fan if any of you watch any of the next three games don't let anyone ever tell you you're not a fan ever again or you're a bandwagoner or whatever you are watching the trenches right now what are any of us doing with the two and a half hours of your life on bobby mcmahon what love is blind is out watch that can i just say that on bobby mcmahon any team should be a little concerned about signing this player long term and that's i'm really i'll be really upset if the leafs do it especially at the number that he wants because

he's a breakout player at 27 28 29 he is now is kind of when he started going the nhl and his numbers are 15 goals 20 goals 19 goals that's great but the way people talk about bobby mcmahon online is that he's 23 yeah and a prospect yeah this is a grown man who is at the later stages of his career very shortly and he's peaked right now and this is probably it and you have to be realistic about this player it's fun that he's emerged and he's a late bloomer but the late bloom isn't gonna continue through till he's 40 and what's his number one attribute physicality his speed you're gonna sign him till he's 35 that are you out of your freaking mind that's the first thing that's gonna go you can't go more i i wouldn't be comfortable with them going any more

than four million a year probably less and not any more than three million or three years i don't want the player there's no grown-ups go get every there's no grown-ups and if he truly wants to be a leaf because he loves toronto that much give me a discount on july 1st that's how you have to enter these negotiations with them it's not you're signing him now and you're not getting assets for him that's crazy he's gonna probably have a really good playoffs for somebody but you don't want you don't need him right now and you don't need him in five years at five million dollars can i can i also throw this out that's crazy i don't want to take the man's value because i desperately like a first round pick but he has never scored a goal in the playoffs yeah listen if you are another

team executive do not listen to this no no okay leafs fans what the what i honest i think he's gonna have a good playoffs this i do too i think he can next year year after four years from now i have no confidence that bobby mcmahon is a top six player that's why the oilers kind of makes sense right because it's like that's their window yeah this is the dream this is the dream fellas like for everyone it goes up it goes down it goes up it goes down you contend you're not not contending it goes up it goes down this is the dream you scout a guy you find a guy who you didn't even have to draft you found a diamond in the rough and you developed him and now you could trade him for what is as high as like a first round pick maybe a second plus whatever that's

the dream this guy was a growler he was a newfoundland growler you took him from college random man yep to echl player to ahl player to nhl player who gave you lots of good games and now has value on the trade dead uh trade market and you're gonna piss it away every hour that passes before the deadline this is how long did i say you have work to do and the earlier you get your work done yeah the more work you can get done if bobby mcmahon who we all know is getting traded no we don't no we don't no we don't we don't know we don't know that we don't know what they're doing last week there was there was there there was a a hint of oh i think they've made some progress on an extension now that apparently is stalled but they did say it it was said the like

i have to go back to the marner stuff sure because we were all like i love going back there man you bring it back no no because people like like at the end of the day like at the end of the season it's gonna be the number one thing everyone talks about we all said for years for like four years hey so here's how this is going to end and then it ended that way and all of a sudden we're the idiots we forecasted this years in advance and the Leafs didn't do anything about it and now here they are sitting in the repercussions of not doing anything about it and they're not doing anything about it are you guys all deft a front office of a general manager five assistant gms the gm has an assistant there's a ceo that oversees everything you have

like the greatest video staff you have this enormous scouting staff can i what the you're not doing anything by the way the leafs missed a uh a they challenged a goal on saturday night and it was berube's challenge because you know sam kim and i forget the other video announcers jordan bean jordan bean that's not how the rule works sam began and jordan bean were like no don't challenge that and berube did and lost the challenge did you guys yeah cool glad our perfect record shot thanks for that at a boy um yeah like what were they getting too many flowers probably just couldn't handle it like what was that i think we gotta have i i listen here's what i want to know jesse let's take that clip and let's say on friday

uh steve freaking out there on friday during our live stream how many trades will the leafs have to make for steve to believe or for you to believe really that this front office is a front office of action or or who are they who has so it'd be lawton um mcmahon somebody else oh we l uh maybe i don't know three at least three i'm i think because you you set the over under two and a half last week yeah i think that was a really good number i think you got two solids in mcmahon and lawton and then i need us you to start getting creative and that brings you to the three four fives yep so i want to see at least three trades out of the front office that's my keeping scott lawton is unjustifiable keeping bobby mcmahon is unjustifiable

asinine completely unjustifiable anyone else with term i'll listen but like nick wah oh my god you could a competent general manager should be able to fleece someone for that guy kelly yarn croak is a ufa there's three you so what are you getting for anything just anything no i agree with that what do you mean they should try but now here's where we are now here's where we are right you need to dedicate your resources to mcmahon and to lawton and to anyone with oel yeah anyone with term right so you got to dedicate your resources to that and now you don't have now you're potentially gonna be stuck with like benny and uh yarn croak because you didn't do the work you didn't get anything done ahead of time you mean in terms of just the resources you mean like calling general

manager yes they have five agms they how are you getting spanked by the canucks dude the canucks went out and they're like okay quinn hughes i don't remember the order if it was quinn hughes and then keifer sherwood or yes you have it right but now they haven't listen the team sucks but they have an easy breezy trade deadline you got quinn hughes done and it looks like you did pretty well and you got keifer sherwood done and it looks like you did all right now what are we what are we gonna do myers you want to try myers maybe a garland maybe we'll do a garland well they got the meyers deal done they're just waiting for him to wave oh the meyers deal is done it's the detroit they're just he just isn't sure he wants to leave vancouver can i change my number again

isn't that nice please give me your number what's your official number i want five trades five trades yes what are the names let's cook with gas yarn croak gone bobby mcmahon gone scott lawton gone troy stetcher gone and then i want you to do something that actually shakes the roster and that is any competent franchise would have traded morgan riley i want you to trade somebody of significance whether that's oel who has term left somebody with term that brings something back that makes it competitive for next season that's a retool that's just a shake up of the roster so that'll be my fifth trade i want five trades out of brad from now until 3 p.m friday i'm surprised you didn't say benoit in there because that should be an easy

move this is a heavy five sixth defenseman on a team what's benoit making 1.15 or something like it's nothing it's a nothing deal you can bury that it was at 135 uh 135 okay he is signed through next season so i don't see that as an immediate move oh okay that's something i could see happening in july if you really want um i don't if the value now is the highest then yeah move benoit maybe that's the fifth move you know i'm thinking five trades because i look at the pieces you have four ufas send them to the moon fifth one something of somebody with her okay that's what i i want to know about this one guys i want to know what you think because i know he's got term because again jesse you're talking about ufas gone right it appears as though

brandon carlo's game has taken a bit of a dive there's another one do you move carlo before it takes more of a dive and i know you need warm bodies to play for you next year but hey yeah free agency's there trades are there can you recoup what you spent for carlo no no unless you think that you can he can rebuild his value with your team next year which i don't think he can i think i think that's a sunk cost fallacy if you're holding on to him that's i think you gotta go and i like him yeah i like him i was excited 29 year old right-handed defenseman for 3.4 and he's six foot seven i think you could find a taker like listen if myers says fuck off to detroit and he wouldn't actually say that he just said no no thank you uh call steve eiserman

and go i got one i think you could get a first round pick for brandon carlo you think so yeah you couldn't get the prospect too though and no but i think you can get a first round pick and yet they have four days two hours 31 minutes and 18 seconds now let's show everybody your phone what you what steve was doing time until calculator while we were talking steve was on time until calculator.com because that's all that freaking matters you're here going what if jesse's sitting here having his nice little conversation with adam and jesse's going adam smart thing and adam's going good thought oh yeah counter smart thing and jesse's going good thought additional smart thing and adam goes also smart thing and jesse

goes better thing and adam goes i agree better thing you don't have time because you already didn't do the work yeah like i said for months i rule at this shit i've been right i've been right for so long okay so if there's five trades if there's five trades on friday can i give you fifth guy option give me the fifth guy i think we got a lot of fun stuff for fifth guy okay give it to me like four we got solved fifth guy option other one matthias michelli oh rfa at the end no you should preserve that if you don't think Michele is a part of this team next

year and he's an RFA moving to somebody and I do think I know he's played him. He's awesome. He's listen relative to the other bets they made this summer or the last couple of years. I would say Michele has been okay since he went got scratched for a month. I actually

don't think his play has been bad at all. No, can you get the third round back that you trade it for him? Sure. I don't see why not. Now here's the question. He's an option for a fifth. Steve, will you look down the barrel of that camera on friday friday night in the live stream and if the leafs do the you know we've we've outlined like seven or eight trades potential guys if they get five of them done will you apologize oh yeah kiss it oh yeah i will you will okay now adam will you apologize

and kiss it i will i will apologize and kiss it now adam counter question when they fuck it up um do i get apologized too no no i'll give you a cupcake you know a cupcake i would love one what kind of flavor must flavor uh something with very little icing because my stomach's fucked oh yeah do a chocolate or oh yeah do i seem like i'm in a good mood right now carrot jesse just yeah i would like a carrot some celery muffin a carrot and raisin muffin hey it's difficult to continue to eat well when you've got work and kids and whatever else you have going on in your life that's why you should check out tempo because tempo delivers fresh crafted chef crafted excuse me dietitian approved meals right to your

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You could say, oh, but there was other factors. But let's just call it what it is. Jim Hiller kick-started the Edmonton Oiler turnaround. The LA Kings had won two straight games. They were up in the third. Bad challenge. Game turned around. Oilers get life, and it's over.

Generally, those wide-sweeping statements are unfair. But if you're a Kings fan, it's very difficult to look at that series, and it's before that moment and after. Philip Deneau traded in December. gotta wonder why it's an odd one it was a weird it was like why does he all of a sudden need to be traded who would we ask well yeah alan's not giving me that that information alan alan is smart enough to go yeah i'm not gonna give you any scoops um uh but it is odd the timing of it was odd the return was odd the lead up to it was odd everything was weird about the denote trade

We never got a full deep dive into it, but something's really frigging weird there. Then they trade for Pinar and they lose Fiala, unfortunately, in the Olympics. But this is Kopitar's last year and you got to go for it. And they said enough and they fired the man after a win. Now, the story goes that they made the decision early on in the week, because as I told you at the beginning of last week, who'd you rather be? The Leafs or the Kings? And I told you that, hey, the Leafs have been outscored by this.

The Kings, basically just as bad. They've been outscored by that. The Kings said, okay, that's enough. And we got to get into the playoffs. And they probably will. The Leafs said, nah, keep it coming. Keep it coming. And so the Los Angeles Kings, as disastrous as this year has gone for them, they still

ended up with Panarin and DJ Smith is now their interim head coach, former assistant coach of the Leafs, former head coach of the Senators. I'm not crazy about DJ Smith as a head coach long-term. I think he's a good assistant. But Jim Hiller going, Jess, you were on this train for a long, long time. It was time. Yeah, I guess we can go back to that that part first before I just show you the timeline of Ken Holland's decision making for the firing. it was truly that moment that happened last spring when evander kane like shovels a puck home and

darcy kemper's flailing to try and save the puck and jim hiller for some god-awful reason looks at that and says you know what goalie interference and challenges it yeah then evan bouchard scores on the power play and the season's over from there and it's a it's a lead you have and you give this team that we all know who the edmonton oilers are and you give them a free power play when you're up 2-0 in the series and it's not for us to speculate on if this single moment destroyed the franchise because that's a question that eric stevens who is a fantastic beat reporter for the athletic covers the socal teams the kings in particular for the athletic asks dj smith it's like hey it seems like that one moment has ruined your franchise and dj smith in his most honest way

said yes here's the clip last spring's playoff loss statement and just seemed had the dynamics of it has as you've seen this the course of the year has this group been able to move fully move beyond that i'd say no um i i i think that particular lost way we lost somehow carried on to this season and it ends now um unfortunately the way we lost um you could feel it wow you could feel it dragging um maybe dragging the group down maybe we didn't believe in ourselves and it's over that that that has ended and today is a brand new fresh start and we got to look at it that way we have a number of guys that were on that team that aren't here we have a number of guys because of the injuries that we have that are getting opportunities so

it's time to build a brand new group right now and it's not a big window it's not a a long runway to do so um but we got some guys that are capable can i just say how well shot that press conferences yeah if you've never watched king's uh post games they do their post game press conferences the way they film them it's like they're shooting a scorsese film yeah they shoot it in the with the highest definition cameras they're using probably red cameras out there they have multiple angles it's an incredible masterpiece of production that you guys have in in los angeles makes sense it's los angeles yeah but just from a hockey team perspective well done guys it's it's a it's a masterpiece to watch but on the dj smith thing and the uh firing of jim

hiller jim hiller would never admit it but one singular moment of his doing has cost this franchise a year of hockey and he should have been gone with rob blake last year like this is that was the time to do it at the end of that playoff series and the fact that ken holland sat on this for so long it's such an indictment on on him to oh my god it's so in action and he explained the timeline on his decision making because adam you're saying he made it earlier in the week he actually made it on friday oh i'd heard her and he spoke uh about hey i spoke with luke robitaille and i decided on friday to make that move but nobody was around on friday because it was an off day so i let jim hiller coach the saturday game where they won two nothing against calgary

and then i fired him so here he is explaining that it's a it's a thing are we gonna get a A close-up of our good friend, what's his name? What's the GM's name again? Ken Holland. Are we getting close-up and side shots of him too? Yeah, here's more of the Godfather. Hell yeah, look at this. There we go.

We had a couple of tough games going into the Olympic break, and I was hoping that the time off and then the mini training camp that our team would really respond. You know, a tough couple of outings coming out, especially the game against Edmonton on Thursday night. Friday, I did a lot of thought. I talked to Luke Robitaille quite a bit and eventually it came to the decision that I needed to make a coaching change. Didn't do it on Friday because Friday was an off day.

The players weren't here. We played at four o'clock on Saturday and I didn't want just a new coach behind or, you know, make the move going into a game. It was a big game and hopefully we would respond to the lost Thursday, which they did. um so uh met this morning with jim hiller then i met with dj smith met with um so that's the timeline there i oh can you it upsets me what do you want to say i just i think again i heard it was earlier than that he probably doesn't want to say that no but the idea that he would just make that decision friday out of the blue is bullshit No, it was it's the it's the loss to Edmonton. It's the one loss that cost him his job. Yeah, but they were they were talking about this for weeks. They had their will. They were talking about it before the Olympic break. Yeah. And I think that's the important thing here. It's the inaction from the people who have the ability to make actionable decisions to save your franchise waiting on things.

Ken Holland waited until the very last moment he could to make this decision. If he is competent at his job, he does it pre-Olympic break, and he doesn't say, I'm going to wait and see how we come out of that to see if Jim Miller can turn around this franchise. He says, I know what this team is because of the many months of hockey we've had playing this season, and I don't need that month off to make this decision here. and he decided i'm gonna wait till after we're gonna see how we're coming out of the break not unlike the decisions that are going on in toronto and they get absolutely walked by edmonton the team that's walked them in fourth straight playoffs you lose eight one you can't have that coach come back but he should have never been there because ken holland should have taken action last summer when he got the job and then he should have taken action before the olympic break and these guys just sitting on their hands letting their franchises go to shit by not doing anything no now there's there's a glimmer of hope and i saw the stat yesterday and i i didn't believe it

and now i'm looking at it with my own two eyes how many teams in the pacific division have more wins than losses it's one it is one adam would you like to tell the class which one in the pacific division yeah um oh this should be easy it's not it can't be vegas can it it isn't and they're I've got a stat on that. Don't you dare. We're getting to Vegas. Don't you worry. It can't be Edmonton, can it?

I can't believe you haven't got it. It's the Ducks, Adam. Oh, there you go. You mean Cutter Gauthier's Ducks? You mean best trade in franchise history, worst trade in Philadelphia franchise history? Cutter Gauthier, 28 goals? Here's how stupid.

Beck and Seneca probably going to win the Calder? Here's how stupid this point system is. By the way, there's two teams that have either the same amount of wins as losses or more wins than losses because the sharks of the other team they're 29 and 29 they are fifth oh so the two teams with technically the fewest losses are in second and fifth in the pacific division yep and you know why because the sharks have four overtime losses and the ducks have three uh that's why also worth noting uh the sharks have a negative 23 goal differential 62 points that's bad preds have a negative 28 kings that's three four and five outside of the

wild card by the way sorry we're one two three outside of the wild card kings also 62 points a negative 22 goal differential jesse are you all done on the kings because i did want to jump to the preds uh you guys didn't have any thoughts on on their situation uh on both ends uh so with jim hiller you can it is valid to go okay here's this moment there's the before there's the after the one thing i ranted about years ago with um the sharks getting a five minute power play in i think it was a game seven against vegas um because of it uh they called it a hit on joe pavelski but it was bullshit it should have never been a five minute major there's an accident off a face-off and vegas scores a bunch of power or rather the sharks score a bunch of power play

goals they come back and they win and they beat vegas and it cost vegas the series and i was like well that's that's bullshit the point people made was like yeah all right the penalty's bullshit you're allowed to not give up four goals right on the power play or whatever it was three or four goals the one thing i'll say is the kings were still up 2-1 in that series like that moment screwed it up but like damn they were allowed to win the rest of those games or not even blow that game but you know so by making that point I would just say maybe the team's not that good the the point I would like to make on DJ Smith is maybe he could get them to be that good because his job in Toronto and again assistant coach is different from head coach and Sens fans

are like oh yeah I can't wait to see this but his job in Toronto was good cop and maybe that's what they need to babcock i've heard hiller's not exactly a player's coach well this is good cop sorry go ahead the the firing like the reason one of the just to add to the many reasons i'm so upset at them not making the move when they fired rob blake last spring and brought in holland didn't also move out hiller is they also lost a really good coach who could have been coaching their team right now who has a team in the playoff spot marco stir yeah he was the ahl coach for the Kings and maybe there's your replacement for Hiller if you make the move earlier and like Jim Hiller he had a good press conference if you go back and watch it he said all the right things

there and like I loved his honesty about yeah that moment messed it up and everything he's doing with the team but Marco Stern has been doing a fantastic job with the Bruins and you could have had that guy you know what I like was your guy you know what I like about Hiller doing that Holland doing that and DJ Smith doing that talking about that moment in the playoffs is that in hockey for in every other sport you can look at a moment like that and go that was the moment in hockey we don't do that and we keep denying that that moment is the moment whenever that moment pops up well that was the moment and you hear it managed i don't know it's a it's a bunch of things it says it's so many things like like remember when babcock got fired right it was the

night of it was flurry grabbing the nick patan shot out of thin air that's not what got him fired though i think what got him fired was his deployment remember that they caught kyle dubas on camera going he has to know in an overtime game that they lost against columbus and at or do you remember the game before the vegas game which was a relatively close game i know tell me about it they lost it was six nothing or six one um yeah it was that sucks but there's no pittsburgh there's moments and i think the moment for babs which you correctly identified and steve or jesse and i were like yeah we get it but this corporation doesn't act like that was game seven that was the moment there they are not acting again game seven for babs in

that instance that was the moment brube game seven yeah but at least the la kings have the balls to come out and go yeah we just never got over it and dj smith saying that ends now i love that should i love that it should have done it 11 months ago yeah the next best time to do it is right now and thank goodness they have I think I don't think Ken Holland is the right guy for the job no no no he's been there uh 10 months now

and I don't know I haven't been happy how many more slow puck movers does he need go back and there it was a good deal I think that's a good that's a good replacement good extension yeah no they've done a great job filling that kind of star spotlight that Kopitar is going to leave at the end of the season

he's retiring he's done getting Panarin and putting him in LA and filling that spot's great yeah i'm gonna sell a lot of jerseys the team uh i don't entrust ken holland to go forward with the kings i want to see what um also luke robitaille move on yeah did they not move on from him they just moved on from blake yeah no luke robitaille has been there the whole time uh the last time the los angeles kings won a playoff series was their stanley cup victory see i am dying to know what that's they don't they have a lot of series since 2014 and we get made fun of no yeah leaf fans get made fun which which one they want a cup yeah they won the cup like yeah

oh yeah they won't take that can i have that i'd like that what can you rack your brain and tell me which series they ran they won since 2014 do we know this are you making this up look it up wait look it up hold on oh the kings have one they added the no they don't have one they got four straight losses to edmonton a couple playoff misses and nothing were they first round against the blackhawks in 2015 uh yeah i want to say yes no didn't they miss after the stanley cup and then they blew a three nothing lead to the sharks if i'm not mistaken yes i remember that there you go and they lost to in vegas's first uh in inaugural season in the first round since i'll read it off for the folks at home oh you're right in 2014 the los

angeles kings won the stanley cup over the new york rangers they won 4-1 that series since then 14-15 you can throw this up did not qualify 15-16 lost to the sharks 4-1 16-17 did not qualify 17-18 swept by the golden knights 18-19 1920 2021 did not qualify and then since 2021 Until 2025, four straight losses to the Edmonds and Oilers. They haven't won a playoff series since they won the Stanley Cup. That's a long time. That's a long time. That's a travesty for a historic franchise for this league.

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you to choose if you want to go and wear so we won't write it down but we're going to promise and apparently they are keeping that promise which i think long term is probably good business but also you need to be more ruthless than that so they are saying o'reilly's like i don't want to get moved we're in the middle of a trade thing we're in the middle of a of a race for the playoffs yeah i don't want to get moved but they are still going to go to him and say but these other teams might want you are you interested and so here's my question let's say some team goes we need ryan o'reilly so bad i'll give you the first this year i'll follow up with the first next year and i'll give you my 2028 first as well three firsts i'll give you three firsts

i don't even fucking call them are you kidding me these guys are you gonna you're gonna turn them down well you have to call i call them to be like you're not gonna believe what i was just offered for you holy shit like what is this what is this nonsense really that and i'm not blaming for each for it again they're telling them what they're telling them but i'm like i when i listen to that i'm like okay so you're telling me if a team goes and says we'll get we'll give you five first round picks i know they can't do that in five consecutive years i know you can't do that but you know we'll give you as much what do you want what do you want i'll give you my mercedes benz too you're telling me that they're just going to be like no we're in a playoff race we simply

won't with our ufa center i don't understand why the onus is on nashville to do the right thing and not on ryan o'reilly and his agent to protect themselves well he clearly wanted to go there okay and they were not willing to offer that okay so the repercussions for your decision to want to come here for less money by the way um is you don't get trade protection which means we can trade you whenever we want but we're not gonna do it like winky winky handshaky that's not how business is conducted not here not in the not in the nhl no no like winky winky handshaky yeah winky winky handshaky like you okay you want to play here you think that's what they said winky winky handshake can i also ask this from the nashville no i interrupted oh okay

you want to play here the the cost of that is we might trade you if the predators and let me throw this out there if the predators were ever actually serious about honoring that they would have just given it that was going to be my point so let me yes they were never serious they were never serious about honoring that clause that doesn't exist by the way there's nothing to honor that's not how business works ryan they were always gonna fuck you what are you talking about even if they don't the point still stands like what are we doing here that's a ridiculous way a ridiculous way and the gm who signed it by the way is on his way out anyway he's stepping down so what are we doing trots will not be here next year what are we

doing what how do we know how do we not know that that wasn't part of the plan what do you mean like barry gave you his word i didn't said the next guy yeah i mean that's kind of yeah that's kind how things are done yeah so even if he doesn't get traded at this deadline if they go into the summer and it's a new guy whoever it happens to be barry said that goofy shit ryan i didn't goodbye you only have one deadline after this to get that done because he's a ufa at the end of next oh it's next they will yeah he has one more year left after this year well then we get an you know what'll happen he won't get traded at this deadline and we're gonna get another year of trade trade rumors with him because he's been in trade rumors since he got there who's his agent like

it does he have other winky winky handshaky deals around the league is that a popular way to conduct it was a four-year deal he's pat morris really yeah isn't that a big like pat morris is a huge agent wait a second he signed a four-year deal i thought it was three that's crazy i thought it was four okay four four times 4.5 is an eight million 18 million dollar contract after the Leafs gave up the sun and the moon for him like he took less to go to Nashville oh yeah he didn't want to be here yeah he wanted to go to Nashville so bad that he was willing to leave himself vulnerable and this is the cost what a ridiculous thing to believe I understand wanting it but to believe that the Preds would be like don't worry buddy well they've so far they've been doing that

so far they've been doing that but like i don't think he even has license to be upset if they trade him what a ridiculous choice the contract just so for clarity four years 18 million dollars 4.5 per season signed in 23 runs through 27 read the full thing read ryan o'reilly oh there's no winky winky handshaky thing represented on the puckpedia page no there isn't nope what a ridiculous decision like listen maybe he stays there the whole time but if he gets traded folks you i don't even know if you're allowed to feel sorry that's a crazy thing to do i don't think anybody feels sorry for hockey players who make 18 million you want to bet four years you want to bet yeah they do hey this episode is sponsored by better help and listen

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Yo, what? That's crazy. He said nothing is imminent, but Philadelphia is at a lot of trade scenarios they are working through at the moment. can you imagine risto back in buffalo just in time for the playoffs i mean it kind of would be sort of perfect in a weird way it kind of would be uh it it's making me want to revisit the rasmus ristolainen trade which was always the chuck fletcher deal psychotic okay let's do it uh ristolainen traded from the buffalo sabers to the philadelphia flyers for robert haig a first round pick in 2021 who is uh izak rosen and a second round pick in the 2023 draft

which was anton walberg it was robert hag who is a second round pick although seven years prior so i guess that doesn't really count a fourth or sorry a first who was 14th overall and a second round pick that was 39th overall it's a lot i don't know if the sabers have done a ton with it like it's they haven't been full-time contributors to the team but like rosen's uh ahl numbers are really strong and walbergs are pretty good too well they could always trade them back honestly yeah adam yeah no they might um molly walker uh who is a reporter for the new york post unless you have something to add on the sabers thing just jess do you think that it's bizarre that they would need another big defenseman is it not no but the sabers are such an interesting team

because i feel like we're all kind of afraid to admit that they're kind of good right now they are they are playing above their advanced numbers i know that um if you look at some of their zone time on the nhl edge data they're ranked 26th in defensive zone time uh that means that's bad not good yeah uh 24th in offensive zone time also not great and that's at that's at even strength and their shot attempt differential is 24th in the league wow minus 2.2 so they are playing above they are getting results above what they should be but you can ride that sure and the nhl is weird in that like you can do that for a little and have a successful season and like they're going to get into the playoffs now it's going to break the longest streak in pro sports they'll leave the

jets uh of new york to in in football to be the new york football jets to be alone for that title and i'm really happy for the sabers it's just really strange that find your gm at the same moment you go on this crazy streak seems to turn everything around and you're not also getting like really good underlying numbers so i wonder how they're going to fare in the playoffs but they're they're a team to watch here down the stretch they have some guys who can shoot really well but they've used three goalies for a significant portion of the season colton ellis has been the worst at an eight nine six there aren't many teams that have used three goalies this year where the worst one is an eight nine that's really good seven four and one record

ukabeca lucan in 13 7 and 2 with a 908 and alex lion 15 8 and 3 with a 914 wow and if you 2026 it's crazy when you simple it when you simplify it like that and like they got guys who can put the puck in the back of the net they sit seventh in the league in goals four per game they are getting scoring and they're able to mask whatever analytic deficiencies they have in terms of puck possession at five on five they put the puck in the back of that which it might be as simple as that like sabers fans you got a team that can score and it's doing well worth mentioning too uh alex line was the starting goaltender for the panthers when they went on their first playoff run uh so i think it means that the sabers might lose in the finals this year but then win the next two

that is possible probably not not not not even possible probable he has to be replaced by yes yeah who's been hurt so he will oh you see um now molly walker from the new york post uh talked to Vinny Trocek this morning and said you know Vinny's like I want to go to a good team um he said I am 32 years old I would like to win a cup I'm not sure uh Molly said regarding reports that he prefers to stay on the east coast I'm sure uh you're relating to the I don't want to be out west talk on Instagram or Twitter or whatever and yeah it's not a secret uh they are on my no trade clause because my family is important to me and my family's on the east coast so here's my question is minnesota far enough east

because it's quite it's in the middle my assumption is he would make an exception but i i i take a man at his word now what east coast teams is he going to well the thing is is that it's been a bunch of west coast teams that want them i think colorado has checked in uh because they need centers the teams in the on the east coast suck i know right i want to go to a good east coast team well you might want to go back to carolina then yeah montreal that'd be a great fit montreal which i assume no right because canada yeah so well you know you want to be close okay well you got to go over the border every freaking time yeah so i assume we got to pull our passports that's really hard well chris bosh complaining about it that's i'm just making fun

a big chris but it but it matters right yeah uh the lightning yeah and yeah carolina is a good pick yep interesting we'll see what happens with him like are the rangers really going to send him to the islanders well they have traded already this year yeah so there's a really interesting weird one that you could potentially throw in there right it's not a huge list if you take out Might the Pens be interested with Crosby out? I know they're stockpiling draft picks. Crosby and Malkin have been so good. By the way, Malkin's apparently, they're talking extension.

Oh, interesting. This is how it always works with the Penguins. That doesn't seem like the swing Dubas would take. I don't feel like that's his MO, right? It doesn't feel like it, but I just thought I'd throw it out there. Boston? He'd be a good bro. Actually, he'd be a great Bruin.

He'd be a real good Bruin. Yep. Buffalo? We'll just say that, yeah, I think Minnesota makes the most sense, but you have to convince him to go to the middle of the continent. Sinbin Vegas. This is a great tweet. Vegas has not defeated a team in the current playoff picture since.

Have you seen this? I have. Yeah, I've seen it too. November 20th. What? 40 games and 100 days ago and this is as of yesterday 11 of the next 14 games are against teams

that are in the playoff picture they named which teams that Vegas has beaten 11 of the next 14 games are against teams in the playoff picture Vegas's record against playoff opponents this year is 5 9 and 10 that's not so basically

if you take the loser point out there 5 and 19 against teams in the playoffs wow they are 23 8 and 4 against non-playoff opponents what a wild i don't even know what to make of that frauds you think they're frauds a paper tiger yeah last 18 went dude they barely have any wins against teams in the teens no that's enough evidence that hey they don't fare well against good teams that i'm willing to take that sample size and run with it they lead the division like okay i've been on vegas for the loser point uh for months for a very long time i didn't know

it was anywhere close to that bad they don't have good goaltending they play really well when they're down and they're chasing their game and their offense is kind of released to do their thing crazy and their defense is kind of mediocre and it hasn't been great and i think that leads to bad goaltending and they've been shaky all season long it's it's a miracle they're leading the division yeah like so many things had to happen statistically in order for that to happen and like what was the difference between uh them and uh the ducks in terms of uh the standings here and in terms of loser points you can throw it up there so the golden knights have 21 regulation wins row they have 27

there you go but the day it's an 11 point gap in loser points between vegas and anaheim and it's one point a one point gap in the standings yeah 14 overtime loss this is why we don't three for the duck why and the golden knights are one and six in the shootout the ducks are a perfect seven and oh so if you wanted to be oh my god if you wanted to be a golden knights fan and be like yeah but that's what i would point to but holy cow the criticism for me with the three two one thing remember the or the three two one where if you go to overtime it's not a three point win it's a two point win it still rewards the loser point and also why are you getting one less point for a win uh it's wins and losses wins losses wins losses yeah but wins and loss did you win yeah

but did you win adam i've talked about this for a long time it's uh and and the and the nhl is not alone in this it's across sports it's not a sporting product it's an entertainment entertainment product i know they're not interested in being like yeah the winners are up here at the top and the losers are down here at the bottom they want to keep it as interesting as possible for as long as possible completely artificially they don't care um so that the games are interesting for longer so that you go so that you watch so that you listen the knights are 28 and 32 that's what they should be in adam wild system and the ducks are 33 and 26 if we're just talking wins and losses that's a significant difference those are two different teams going in different

directions the shark and it's ridiculous that they've been able to stockpile 14 overtime losses listen when this season's sharks are second in the pacific in wins they are fifth they're fifth yeah ignore everything i said about the atlantic division going into this season because i was wrong about all of it but i've never been more fucking right than i am about the ducks this team oh my god their laps man this team rocks i was wrong about more than i was right about but i was right about that damn it and that's where i'm planting my flag yeah but that was the one where i was like you're insane oh yeah i was so wrong didn't see it coming so wrong this is i i can't believe by the way too with because the nhl this is one of those weird years

where the power has completely shifted yeah you look at the atlantic division except for tampa fucking tampa um always uh it's completely shifted what do you mean montreal who barely squeaked in last year in detroit are two and three um and and what do you mean the pacific division which has given us how many stanley cup finals and champions in the last five years everybody's got a basically outside of the betman 500 a losing record except for the ducks what the fuck do you mean no i know what do you mean i don't vegas and edmonton have technically speaking losing records it's hilarious that both vegas and edmonton are still there but are literally losing more than they win i know literally i like like they're fighting for

the division lead and edmonton's still not sure who they could start does anyone feel good about it no i can't imagine they do any any team in a good mood i don't i don't think so it's a very weird year i mean at the end of the day first is first like if you're vegas you got to feel good if you're the ducks you got to feel like wow i can't believe we're here and if you're first in that division you probably feel good steve sorry to interrupt you because you're playing somebody in your division well not necessarily i guess you play a wild the wild card maybe if you're second or third you feel good who so what what are we keep talking about the division what's what are the actual standings in the west what's the wc for it's the golden knights ducks oilers

so the golden knights would play what the mammoth uh uh if it was to start to play the mammoth yeah And the Colorado Avalanche would play the Kraken. Yeah. Okay. I think Vegas can probably feel okay about playing the Mammoth. I think Colorado can feel perfectly fine about playing the Kraken. I think that's a stunningly competitive series. The Mammoth are a plus 23 goal differential.

Vegas is plus eight. Yeah. I think it's interesting. You're right. You're right. I think it's very. Look at the OTL. Utah's got 31 wins.

And 24 of them are regulation. okay all right all right all right anyway that's fascinating i'm curious to see how that goes i don't think it stays that way too i think the kings get in don't you guys no you don't think they're going to run after this no no i'm kind of on the side of coach bump i think they missed the play all right um last thing to talk about unless i missed anything uh 18 year old matthew shea for 20 goals he's officially at 20 goals ridiculous just completely insane insane and he is just like listen Hudson or Schaefer go Elaine Hudson every day of the week oh wow all right that was a fun debate by the way okay anything else that we missed because I'm gonna wrap it

the Matthew Schaefer stat by the way is he is the first defense rookie defenseman ever to be the first rookie to hit 20 goals in a season no defenseman has ever been the first rookie to hit 20 goals in a season what yeah are we talking about wow it's pretty cool he's doing literally historic things that have never been done ever and this guy this guy played less than a quarter season in the ohl last year yeah i still can't get over you're essentially going from playing junior hockey as a 16 17 year old skipping a full season of hockey and going straight to the nhl and being the most dominant rookie defenseman ever that's crazy um he was named the first star of the week as well and i'll read a little blurb from what the nhl sent out

trailing 2-0 in the second period schaefer scored twice in 55 seconds his 17 and 18 tallies of the season to surpass phil housey for the most goals in league history by an 18 year old defenseman en route to the new york earning a 4-3 overtime victory against the canadians schaefer did not find the score sheet but long day team high 25 31 in their next game and then he ended the week uh two goals one assist in his first three first career three-point performance in a four five four triumphant win over the florida panthers they they wrote this very they put flowers in this um i didn't realize that was his first three point game for the amount of stuff he's done he's just been really consistent to just now rack up a three-point game is

incredible wow um only three other rookie blue blue liners have compiled as many goals an entire campaign as a shaffer that's brian leach that's barry beck and that's dion for enough pretty cool stuff yeah that's great cool stuff sorry beckett seneca you're not gonna win the called a trophy no but that's okay he'll be second right yep yeah second cut no all right let's wrap it up there we'll leave it for now but we will be back on wednesday and don't you forget trade deadline even though it's quiet perhaps too quiet there will be some stuff and we'll have videos and that sort of thing throughout the week and then of course on friday unless nothing happens and everybody just keeps it the same maybe it's quiet but maybe some team will get it

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