The Steve Dangle Podcast - Duchene Trade / Dennis Maruk & Ken Reid | November 7, 2017

Episode Date: November 7, 2017

On this episode, HOLY GUACAMOLE, Matt Duchene was traded to the Ottawa Senators, Kyle Turris was traded to the Nashville Predators, and the Colorado Avalanche got SEVEN THINGS. The boys discuss that deal as well as the Leafs win over the Vegas Golden Knights last night. ALSO! Dennis Maruk and Ken Reid join the show to talk about their new book "Dennis Maruk: The Unforgettable Story." You can purchase it via Amazon here: https://www.amazon.ca/Dennis-Maruk-Unforgettable-Hockeys-Forgotten/dp/1770413316 Originally aired: November 7, 2017 Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.D.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. I mean, there's so many things that we could we could cover. There's there's the Freddie Gauthier. Yeah, there's Freddie Gauthier being called up. There's the Toronto Police winning last night. There's the huge three way trade.

But I think the thing we need to lead with is the insane story about how Steve Dangle tried to abandon his dog by the side of the road and was unsuccessful in that attempt. Unfortunately, he came back. So, now you're stuck again with two. As much as you've always wanted one dog, not two, and Mrs. Dangle won, and you tried to sabotage her,

it didn't happen for you. And I figured no one would expect me to intentionally get rid of the first one. Right. Floored it again! I wouldn't have got away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids with it. Did you try and delete a dog? I did. Matt Hardy. Delete. Um, it didn't work. No, so that was very concerning.

So yesterday I was on a roll, got up nice and early, started an article, finished an article, that should be up today I hope, it's on Patrick Marlowe and why he's amazing. It was from a discussion that we had on this very show Then I made a video for TV Started it, ended it, done, answered a bunch of emails, texted Adam. Adam goes, we have a call in five minutes I go, what? Cool. We do the call and then I hear a whine at the back door. I go, oh, it's Charlie that's right he's been outside for like an hour just playing with his brother Iggy oh I'll let them in where's Charlie oh here's Charlie where's Iggy well Iggy's not in our backyard let me look into our neighbor's backyard oh my god their door's open because man made hole in the fence

Steve and I mean to give some background on this to be fair to Steve the dogs at the neighbors and Iggy were dig under the fence and get into each other's yards anyway. So they decide in their infinite wisdom Yeah, your poppy's gonna poke you there. There we go. I'm just gonna, you know what, it belongs on a jacket.

Yeah, mine's on my jacket. So I guess you removed some boards from the fence. Yeah, three panels. So they can play in both yards, which I think is super cool. Yeah, me too! Until your neighbors leave their door open. Well, I don't, I think it might be

broken or something, because it's blown open more than once. And there was one time Iggy got out, and it was my fault, and our back door was open. But luckily he just went to the front lawn. There was another time where he was smeared in poo, and Yeah, well, my wife and I are both home, and then bing bong, oh,

I wonder who that could be at the door. Oh, weird, our dogs aren't freaking out that someone rang the doorbell. And by dogs, I mean just dog, because we didn't have Charlie yet. And there's Iggy at the front door with our neighbor going, your dog got out. And covered in poo. Yeah. Somehow. So what happened was, I see the doors open

and I just start freaking out, throw on my shoes, start screaming Iggy's name all around the neighborhood, run around the street to my neighbor's house because, like, our houses aren't on the same street. It's just their backyard happens to back onto our backyard. And then so

I'm starting to come to terms with, okay, the dog is gone. Iggy's gone. I have to find him. I love that he's a flight risk, by the way. I'm surprised he didn't just come back home yeah dick well charlie did and our neighbor was like oh well they get out all the time and when that happens they just go right to the front door you know like jehovah's like just no worries excuse me sir have you found jesus yes have you found my treats have you found my dog what would have been a great question to ask but um as i'm about to run back to my house

and get in the car i get a call from my father-in-law and i just go that now's now's not the time I'm dealing with a crisis. He goes, you lost your dog. I go, what? He goes, I'm an emergency contact for some reason. He's at the pound. They picked him up. So he was missing long enough that someone

saw him, was like, that's a lost dog, googled Animal Services Oshawa, called Animal Services Oshawa, Animal Services Oshawa shows up. A guy in a cape and a big bowler comes with a big net. I'll get you now, Iggy. And then he did. Now you're glue.

Oh, my God! Oh, my God! It's not! It's dog glue! No, he's hot dogs, obviously. Oh, my God! That's why they call it hot dog! Yeah, that's why we don't have a stray dog problem here in Canada

because, I mean, we sell so many hot dogs at the jeans game. Big dog killing farm, Schneiders. That's why, that's why, oh, my God. But first, they would have used his skin as a new coat. Sheerling, I believe it's called.

Okay, Cruella DeVille is not Canadian. She's British. Is Glenn Close? Glenn Close is American. Well, there you go. Anyway, well, we had a Glenn Close one. Yes. Had to go down to the pound.

Long story short, microchip your dog if you haven't because he was not wearing a collar and the only reason we were able to find him is because he was microchipped. Yeah, that was one of the recommendations they made. Well, I don't even think it was a recommendation. It was a you must do this because rescue dogs like ours and I'm and like Charlie I'm sure are for some reason they it can be take the littlest thing to spook them and then they're gone And it doesn't matter that they've been at that home for five years And they've never run away and they always come when you call there's just one little thing and gone

We found out recently Charlie's like one of his number one fears the smell of lamb meat Lamb meat like uncooked lamb meat really if anyone can explain that one to me. I'm all ears It's a sphere? Yeah, like, tail between the legs, hides underneath the kitchen table. It's a terrified Sir Shady. Maybe he's been to the hot dog factory. I don't know. No!

No! Because they also kill lambs! Yeah, right? No! It's golden doodles and lambs. It's basically the same, you know, fur, right? They do look the same. Yeah!

Maybe it's... You know what? You guys are awful, awful men. It's not our fault that Schneider's is killing dogs. It's your fault that you're a terrible person, though. Allegedly, Jesse. Oh, sorry, sorry. Allegedly

Murdering millions of dogs Every year In all seriousness, Snyders, we're just kidding It's a joke I enjoy your tasty products In fact, that's what I buy That surely contain no percent of dog Percent of your dog

No, because I saved my dog From the pound And he was so happy to see me when I saw him Just kidding, all he wanted to do was Explore the rest of the pound and chase after a cat Because if you've ever been to a shelter They like have cats that just chill On the desks

He's trying to chase them There are so many butts to sniff there Like that is an exciting spot There's so many butts But what seemed great about the whole thing is Had Charlie not whined at the back door How much longer would I have left that situation I mean I guess Iggy would have been safe

But all the same And then like he seemed so concerned And then when I brought Like Charlie freaks out every time I come home Like he's five times what Iggy is when I come home And all he was doing was sniffing Iggy When he came back So I feel like he knew he was lost

It's interesting that of the two dogs The one that you raised from puppy is the one that left Yeah, again That's very interesting Charlie's easy, Charlie's a carpet Like all these nightmare stories you hear about You know, rescue dogs and baggage and whatnot None of that with Charlie

None of that, except for the lamb But also, why is there a hole in your fence? Why? Because. They were digging underneath it. It was going to be one way or it was going to be the other, right? First of all, yeah. No, no.

Oh, yeah, just fill it in. Thanks, person without a dog. Okay, I'll just fill it in. They'll dig it back up. Fill it in and then hand the dog a memo not to dig anymore. The fence is there. The problem is the door was open. What was the door being open?

There's a hole in between your two backyards. Do you open the hole in your apartment, Jesse, or the door? Steven. It's a door. Do you leave the hole open all night? It's more of an archway, I mean, if we're being honest. You can't control whether your neighbor's door is open or not, correct? Right, so this is concerning.

So you can't risk it that, oh, I hope they have their door closed every time you let your dogs out. I usually should. Put something in front of the hole so your own dog stay in your own damn backyard. You don't make them the responsibility of your neighbor. It was my fault. You inconsiderate neighbor. It was my fault. First of all, they are very considerate.

Second of all, it was my fault for A, leaving them so long, and B, not sitting at the table that I usually do, which I can see clearly into the backyard. So you just sit there and watch your dogs all the time. Yeah, it's great. Hey, start video blogging, everybody. Don't hate. Don't hate.

If you want to do it, just start video blogging, everybody. That's what I did. I stopped listening once. And I got my two dogs, and they're not made into any kind of food. And I love them, and they have to wear their collars all the time. Iggy has lost his going outside without a collar privileges permanently in the same way that he lost his back car window open privileges when he jumped out. Iggy's an idiot.

Is he an idiot, or does he just not want to live in your oppressive home? I mean, I think that's clear. He tried to escape through the car, now through the fence. I mean, whose fault is this, really? You have no idea because he can't talk. Maybe when they were handing him back to me in dog language, he's going, no! We have no idea. Charlie seems pretty cool with it all.

He's like, I don't know how they feed me. There literally could not be a happier dog on the face of earth. I agree with you, Steve. I think he's just oblivious and just wants to explore. Why not, man? What I don't like is on more than one occasion, my friends, I think maybe even you have been like, Iggy is just like you, Steve. I don't think I've ever said that.

He's just a big idiot. No. No one has ever said that. At least three of my friends have said that. You know why that's inaccurate? Including my wife. You know why that's inaccurate? Because Iggy can long divide.

No. No. We don't know that. All right. He's been to the pound one time, divided by one, equals, I'm not sure. Steve. I probably. Steve gets his dogs.

Ottawa and Nashville get their centers. Oh, my God. That was bad. That was bad. What, the trade was bad? No, your transition. I think that was a good transition. I think Ron McClain would be very proud.

I'm going to send it to him. That was a vintage Adam transition. All right. That was very old. I want to send that to Ron McClain and just see what he thinks. Okay? Okay? See how we rate on the Ron-o-meter there.

What would Ron say for that? We'll figure it out. Okay, so Ottawa finally gets their man. Well, they get rid of their man. And that's what's interesting. Kyle Turris was their man. Sorry, I figured it out. An avalanche of players involved in the deal.

We'll find out who ends up on top of the mountain. See, that's pretty good. That is pretty good. Sorry, sorry. You know what? There was a lot going on, okay? Jesus. I know, sorry.

I'm being difficult. Ottawa. No. When Ottawa was talking to Kyle Turris, he wanted $6 million, and they're like, cool. Six times six. Yeah. He... Well, Pierre Dorian said cool.

Well, Pierre Dorian said cool to $6 million. He did not say cool to years seven and eight. Kyle Turris wouldn't budge with the Ottawa Senators on year 7 and 8. He'd say, you've got to give me 7 or 8 years. That was the deal. But Nashville didn't. Right. So Pierre Dorian, I'm not sure if you saw this clip, but on Sportsnet this morning,

Sportsnet Connected, Sportsnet Connected, this morning, he said, and this is the best, he said, well, that's news to me. That's not what we discussed, ever. Six years was not what we discussed, ever. As in, I don't think this deal gets done If Kyle Turris didn't also want out of town If he's making Ottawa come to the plate

With years 7 and 8 And he didn't do that with Nashville Don't you find that interesting? Maybe it's he believes in Nashville more Or maybe He wants to be there more It's interesting because this trade leaked And Friedman

Friedman was on every station in the world Talking about this trade And the one thing he said over and over and over again was the deal was in place then it kind of got out Ottawa set a deadline on the Friday. Which is so stupid. I know. Oh you're going to set a deadline

It's a negotiation tactic. I don't know They got really angry. They took a breath. Eugene Melnick said stuff to the media. Did you hear that? You hear what they want for Duchesne? Is that what he said? Yeah. And then they got him. And then they paid it It's my favorite

You can't talk yourself out of a bad situation right? And never let your owner talk ever. Ever! And Melnick is the worst! I've never seen Larry Tannenbaum in front of a camera. Just throwing that out there. What does his voice sound like? I have no idea. No idea. He's actually not a person. He's just a guy.

That Tannenbot. Okay, that was good. That was good. I'll accept that. So it's interesting that Turris leaves Ottawa. Now, maybe for years 7 and 8, he would have been accepted. He would have been able to accept less per annum, so maybe it's 5.5

over 8 years or 7 years or whatever. And Nashville was just willing to give him more in less time. But six years is still a long time. Anyway, I guess what was interesting about this is Elliot Freeman went on Tim and Sid yesterday, and he said that a lot of the times when dead deals leak, and it's rare that they do. It's usually like, well, like the Valtteri Filippola to the Leafs thing sort of leaked last year. But normally when that leaks, the deal's already dead, it's off the table, and it's done. This deal seemed to motivate all parties involved to get the deal done.

And I thought that was really interesting because, you know, I'm sure the fans and the players and management that weren't privy to those conversations were probably like, come on, guys, get this together. What was especially interesting to me, and that was another thing Friedman made sure to really emphasize, was names getting out there really forced the trade to giddy up. Well, whose name? Duchesne? No. I mean, he's been out there for a very long time. Turris? No. He's been in rumors for months. Well, who else in there is of any consequence? It's just a bunch of prospects in Andrew Hammond. You know what I think it was? So that's what I'm confused about.

I think it was Ekholm. Ah, because he was rumored to be in the deal. That's right. So you want to put the fire out to satisfy a player who is clearly sticking around. I see. I don't know. Just a thought. Or maybe it was people in Ottawa going,

we could get Duchesne and Ekholm, or we could get one of both. Get on it. Maybe it was people in Colorado going, come on, can you just solve this, Joe? Like, it's gone on for, since last December, this has been a problem. 11 months of Matt Duchesne wanting out of here. Maybe time to pull the trigger. Maybe. And maybe a bunch of all three.

Maybe a little bit of none. Who knows? But it's very, very interesting that Elliott Friedman made that point. Now, Duchesne's only got one more year here. Turris has already re-signed. They sat down, I believe, on Sunday morning. The deal was dead as of Saturday night. Like, Sunday morning, Dushane and his agent,

or sorry, not Dushane, Torres and his agent sit down with Nashville, they hammer out a deal, the trade goes through. Yeah, a couple of people were confused, by the way. It's not like Torres was traded to Nashville and then immediately they're like, so what do you want, kid? Like, no, they give you permission

to have a conversation about signing beforehand. That's the catalyst for the trade happening. You've got Dushane now in Ottawa, which Dorian loves, the coach loves, the team loves. This is great. He seemed like he was super jacked after practice yesterday, just watching his post-game scrum or post-practice scrum. They mentioned Boucher had a history with Duchesne.

I was trying to figure out what that was, too. Must be a junior? No, couldn't have been. No, because Duchesne was in the OHL with Brampton when Boucher was coach of the year with Drummondville in the queue. Maybe he's got a history like I've got a history with Matt Duchesne, which is I respect him as a hockey player. Yeah.

I like the way that guy plays. It might have been the World Juniors that year. Because I think Boucher might have been the coach. Okay, that's probably it. So here's the thing. Might have been, I don't know. Matt Duchesne's got a year left after this. He's up in 2019.

The infamous Drew Doughty class. Eric Carlson class. Eric Carlson, too. Eric Carlson. Was that the breath? I know, but we know Eric Carlson's staying in Ottawa. Like, I call it the Drew Doughty because we're not sure, although I'm pretty sure he's staying in LA, too.

If Duchesne, you got Duchesne for another year. do you look at getting an extension done this season or next season? Or are you in win-now mode? And if you're winning now and then next year, and then, I mean, you don't want him to walk for nothing, but at the same time, maybe you're going into a rebuild after that. Well, as Frege alluded to, if you can't get Carlson signed, who gives a damn about Duchesne or anybody?

So Ottawa's priority number one is going to be Carlson. And they can start that July 1st, right? That negotiation officially? I believe so. I don't know. Because I think it's always like a year. It has to be a year before. You can't sign an extension two years out.

See, with the UFA, I thought you could. Oh, maybe you can. I don't know. It's just no one does it because why would you? Yeah. But, I don't know. Yeah, maybe it is that simple. I mean, you start with Carlson.

Ideally, Ottawa, I mean, ideally, if you're the Sens, signs him July 1st. If you're Eric Carlson, I'm not sure what the benefit of that is. I mean, you hold all the cards. It's rare that a player holds all the cards. How many players in this league hold all the cards? Connor McDavid did. Connor McDavid. And Connor McDavid didn't even play all his cards.

No. 12.5 million to me is not enough. Sidney Crosby. Yeah, but in itself, that is playing a card. He's going, okay, I'll take less so that I have a better chance of having talent around me. Leon Drysaddle, on the other hand, said, Nope, I'm playing all my damn cards, and I'm going to get all your money. Isn't that interesting?

That Connor McDavid has to not play the cards so Leon Drysaddle can? I find that interesting. Just throwing that out there. Because Leon Drysaddle sure didn't back off his number. I'm sure Connor did, though. Nope. I mean, even if Drysaddle plays extremely well, it's going to take a lot to convince me that's a good deal.

That's way too much money. You got to pay something to get something. You got to pay something to get something. No, I'm going to adjust my belt buckle to that. Put a feather in my cap. Shine on Monica. That was so great on Reddit. I actually looked up today because I didn't know the answer to this.

The one thing nobody talked about is why did Duchesne want out in the first place? And we finally got some light shed on that. No one was asking. I was like, why do we not know? What does he want out so bad for? And it's because he didn't want to go through a retool stage in Colorado. And Kiprio's had a great little rant before the Leafs game. Or it might have been during the Leafs game.

He's like, you thought you didn't like the rebuild in Colorado? Just wait until the potential rebuild in Ottawa. And it's true. Or he doesn't resign there and it doesn't matter. Yeah, maybe it just goes to free agency. It doesn't matter. I mean, that'd be pretty funny after all this. Not for Ottawa fans.

I mean, Ottawa could have a really good season this year. And then if all parties get resigned, they can continue to be a playoff-ish team. and, you know, a conference final-ish team. But the second you lose Carlson, or even Duchesne for that matter, because then there will be a giant gap at center, they're screwed. They're hurting. They're in a lot of trouble. And looking at the haul Colorado got, first of all,

I owe an enormous apology to Joe Sackick. What a haul. Are you sure? What a, oh, yes. Oh, yeah, I'm impressed. To me, the big piece on that one is Samuel Gerrard. We'll get through all that The second bit is

How long is Colorado's rebuild really going to take? Because as Jeff Merrick Pointed out on Twitter This brings Colorado one step closer To Rasmus Dahlen Can you imagine? Can you effing imagine? Yeah

So frustrating Before we talk about each individual haul Can I talk about every team's in and out? Sure Because that's what I tried to figure out this morning I have one question about DeShane, though. Are we sure that he's the number one center? No.

I think he's been... In fact, I don't even think he was the number one center in Colorado. I think Nate McKinnon was. Yeah, I would say a really good 1A. And I think Turris... Kind of like Turris. Turris is a bit of a 1A. Yeah, he's the 1A.

I don't think him being your number one is a good situation. But you want him on your team. What's the lineup card site you always go to? Oh, Daily Faceoff. DailyFaceoff.com. Now, I don't know if they'll have Turris in there yet or Duchesne in there yet. Ironically, isn't Duchesne's first game against Colorado in Sweden? In Sweden, yeah.

That's insane. That'll be a nice long plane ride across the Atlantic. Get to know your teammates. What do you think the guys are going to talk about? I don't know. Maybe a new guy in the room. Otto was going to be talking about, wow, that was a pretty crazy 24 hours. Maybe they're mad that they're losing Kyle, but they got Matt.

Colorado is going to be like, crap. They're selling. So, from what it looks like from Daily Faceoff, and again, they haven't played a game yet, so we don't know this for sure, but it looks like he's the number two guy anyway. Is it weird that I see 19 in Ascend's jersey and still think Spezza?

Oh, really? I still think Yashin. Was he 19? Yeah, because it's Zingle, Broussard, Stone, and then Zach Smith, Duchesne, and Mike Hoffman in the top six. I don't think that's that accurate. Yeah, well, who knows?

Who knows? I know that they want to play him with some speed, so we'll see how that goes, but, you know, Mike Hoffman's not a bad line mate to have. Oh, my God. So, it's just, so what's each team's out? Let's get to that. Okay, each team's out?

You said. That's what you're in and out. Well, they're in and out. Okay, we'll do that. Oh, okay, sorry. I thought you just wanted their out. Oh, my goodness. Okay, Ottawa.

In, Matt Duchesne. Out, Shane Bowers, Andrew Hammond, 2018 first, 2019 third. So, four things out. I believe a future, or sorry, past first rounder, future first rounder, Andrew Hammond, I mean that's a cap dump, a first and a third, into Nashville, Kyle Turris, out, Samuel Gerrard, who was actually in their lineup, left-handed defenseman, had three points in five games, Vladislav Kamenev, I think he might have been a former first rounder, he was a highly touted prospect he was doing pretty good in the AHL and a 2018 second into Colorado Shane Bowers Samuel

Gerrard Andrew Hammond Vladislav Kamenev 2018 first from Ottawa 2018 second from Nashville 2019 third from Ottawa out Matt Duchesne that's pretty good that's insanity and supposedly they were going to try to flip Andrew Hammond so basically what they got was three pretty nice prospects three picks one of which is a first rounder and whatever low pick you get for andrew hammond probably trading him to vegas they're saying that gerard will be the guy that um he'll be a top four offensive defenseman uh i haven't had much time to shame hours was just drafted this year uh quick centerman uh he's 18 years old though so it's hard to know exactly where he's going to be so bowers and gerard are both defensemen yeah uh no bowers is a centerman oh

Oh, okay, gotcha, sorry. Kamenev is, he was a real star in the, I think it was the U18 a couple years ago or just the World Juniors. He projects to be like a middle six center, so a 2-3 guy, still not bad. Who can't use him? And then, of course, Hammond,

and then you've got your first, second, third. So it's all now, it's up to Colorado's scouting staff to make those picks count. Colorado got seven, well, exactly. So they don't, you don't win a trade like that if you're Colorado. The day it happens, you win it down the line. Those guys all have to pan out.

You have to draft good players Granted But How many teams Get Seven assets For one guy Ever these days

And how many Three way deals Are ever made Like Joe Sackick Played the waiting game And it worked It freaking worked I gotta take my hat off to him

Oh yeah exactly Same thing Does the same thing Just keep waiting Yeah a little Same thing though right Like exactly He waited

Different scenario, but he waited. So, everyone's talking about how great this deal is. Is it great for everybody? I think each, if you look at assets in, assets out, probably not. But if you look at the needs of each team and what, the mindset of each team, I think, is more important than the needs of each team. I mean, Ottawa very clearly has this two-year window. and then you've got and then you've got to

re-sign some players you've got to figure out your goaltending situation because Craig Anderson is going to get up there he's like he's you know as well as he's playing

he's not a young man by NHL standards and then you've got you've got two years of Duchesne I think Burroughs is up at the end of the two years

I think Stone and Hoffman all have to be re-signed Eric Carlson has to be re-signed Fnuff will be there forever less and less worth it every year

yeah and then yeah I know that they have some good young players coming up but I still think I don't know this for sure, but does Ottawa have elite young talent? They might have good

young talent, do they have elite young talent? They have less now Definitely have less. Well, they got Shabbat Yeah, Shabbat's going to be a great player I think. And then who was the other guy? CC's only 23 Yeah, but fans are pretty sour on him. But yeah, he could still develop. Yeah, why?

He's not quite what he was touted as. But I mean, you're right, he's 23. He's 23. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I think that they're really going to go for these two guys, or these two years, and try to defense their way into the Stanley Cup. Like, okay, so Colorado gets exactly what they want.

Stuff. A variety of stuff for Duchesne. Fine. Great. Nashville gets what they want. They get a center to play behind Ryan Johansson. I mean, all of a sudden, you're talking about a team that had horrible center depth in the playoffs. 18 months ago had bad center depth, period.

Right, right, right. And now they got Johansson and Turris. I mean, that's a pretty good right-handed one-two punch up the middle. And they gave up Gerrard, Kamenev, and a second to do it. Steep price, but they did it. Ottawa gives up Bowers, Hammond

a first and a third for an upgrade on tourists for possibly four months or so well not four months fourteen months

I mean because Duchesne oh sorry Duchesne will be he's got this year and next left oh you said it was the US no I said 2019

2019 yeah yeah I think he's UFA at the same time as Carlson that's the big concern um I'm not saying Ottawa lost, but

you know, because they did get a couple things that they wanted. They were able to dump Hammond, but I don't think they did quite as well as Nashville. Because Ottawa upgraded slightly at a position, whereas Nashville just

magically, their center position, they inherited a new guy. Can we talk about their top four centers for a second here? Let's go. They were thin at center just a couple years ago, then you've got Johansson, Turris, Sissons, and Jarnkrok. That's pretty good.

Not bad. It looks a lot better, doesn't it? Yeah. And of course you've got Frederick Goudreau as well, but somebody's going to have to take a seat. We saw him score a playoff goal. We sure did. It's kind of one of those things that it will be very, very interesting to see how this plays out. Ottawa did give up a lot.

Gave up a lot. Let's talk about the Leafs in Vegas because we actually have special guests coming on in about 15 minutes here. And I will say before we move on, I think Duchesne is Boucher's dream. So we'll see what Ottawa does there. Oh, yeah. Why? Hard-working, fast player, probably willing to do anything

now that he's out of Colorado. So, hey, you want me to do the 1-3-1? I will be the 1-3-1 kid. He'll be the one. He'll be the one. Right. I'm pretty sure he would be. Anyway, sorry.

So Leafs beat Vegas last night. Still gave up a 3-1 lead, though. I was so frustrated all game long. Heading into overtime, the Leafs had 23 shots. Vegas also had 23. They were outshot 5-2 in the overtime. So that was bad. Vegas had a third, sorry, a fourth string goalie in net

who looked completely and utterly dejected after the third goal went in. After the first period, the Leafs had 14 shots. That's not good enough. Like, for this team that has this unstoppable offense on paper, what happened? What the hell happened? Seriously, like, I'm trying to see the positive. They got a win.

They got two points. That's all that really matters. They just needed to get out of this little slide. Their schedule over the next two weeks is much nicer than the Western Road trip. Although we were looking at it, and what are they averaging, four games a week, Jesse? Yeah, it didn't look too great. Yeah, but they have a bunch of home games. They have three straight home games.

Then they play back-to-back, but it's against the same team, so at least that team will be just as tired as they are. Then they have four days off. They play the Devils at home. I can't remember. There's a few games in between, and then at some point they play Arizona at home. Rested.

Yeah. You know, so, like, they're still playing a lot of games, but it's way nicer. Things are slowing down for them a little bit. But you go— And they'll get some practice in as well. But you go the 16th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 24th, 25th, 28th. And on the 28th, you start the Western Road Trip.

Yeah. So I don't think it eases up at all. All right. Well, then the Leafs get prorated three points for every win. Like, no, that's how the league works, man. Yeah, I'm just saying it doesn't get easier from here. Here's what Mike Babcock had to say. With all the home dates, I think so.

Okay. Mike Babcock said anytime you've been struggling you get in your own way a bit mentally especially when you haven't been on a good team for a lot of years and you're not used to winning all the time you wonder what's going on I knew we were going to win a game you just don't know when

sometimes you need to go through some of these things so you can get better and yet you never want to be in it when it's going bad and he also said normally when you're on a cold streak and you're trying to come out of the cold streak the first win you get is ugly so hopefully this is the first ugly win yep um and and you know it did look a little bit

especially in the first period like there was um some adjustments through the neutral zone which has been their real weakness right it's the transition game it's getting the puck out past their own blue line and moving it you know it was like basically they were scoring a billion goals at the start of the season the league adjusted to them and then you know they were able to kind of clean that up a little bit and and come back and make this happen so i wonder too you know you see 18 minutes from mitch marner last night he looked great uh maybe the least best forward um so you like even though matthews looked good despite being sore that's that's kind of the thing where like i'm like okay well if we got to get mitch marner going again because even when

they were doing well he he wasn't riley easily the best defender looked great um you know it wasn't all bad freddie the third goal was so shit it was so bad but they wouldn't they don't even get one point without the save he made with a minute left and then after he allows that goal he was huge yeah he was huge in the third huge in overtime stopped all three shots in the shootout he was huge he knew i think he knew he's like okay i am gonna there's no way he should have been down on his knees with a shot that far out church goalie like that was brutal like he he just He knew, this game is on me if we lose because of that. Do you guys know Freddie Anderson's current save percentage?

I saw it this morning. 890-something, isn't it? 895. 895. Are you concerned? Yeah, I'm starting to get concerned. Over your first couple weeks, three weeks, maybe even month, you go, yeah, well, that's going to correct itself.

I'm waiting. It's 14 games. Yeah, it needs to start going up. It needs to start going up. I'm not, I don't think anyone in the city is asking him to be what Carey Price used to be. I almost said Carey Price. Carey Price last year. I know, like, I'm asking, like, come on, give me 9-15 for the love of God.

Last year you were 9-18. Can you give me that? Can you give me that? Like, I don't need you to be an all-star. I don't need you to be a Vesna nominee even. I think, I mean, I don't think that's unfair. but I also, again the atrocious

atrocious stuff that the Leafs are doing in their own zone that's leading to these opportunities is just as bad Absolutely, well even the Engeling goal that was a shit line change he had a wide open shot How long before

the players finally understand what too many men on the ice looks like How many, I don't know if there's another team in the NHL that takes more too many men on the ice penalties. So I learned something last night So the Leafs are tied for, I want to say, third in bench minors since the beginning of last season. They have, I think it was 14.

St. Louis is way out in front. They have 18. Here's something I learned. There's more than one bench minor. It's not just too many men. Now, what else is a bench minor? Maybe the coach abuses the official. Coach, yeah, it's on Sportsman Lake?

Yeah, something like that. You know what apparently is counted as a bench minor? Face-off violations. What? I know. I know. You know how the coach tells the guy. Cheat on this faceoff.

Cheat on this faceoff and lose on purpose. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I guess because the violation technically happens not during play, it has to be a bench minor. As soon as the puck leaves a rough hand. Do you want a list of bench minors? Yes. List of bench minor penalties.

Abusive officials, delay of game, deliberate illegal substitution, faceoff violation, illegal substitution, improper starting lineup, Interference from players or penalty bench Interference with official Leaving bench at end of period Refusing to start play Stepping onto ice during period Coach

Throwing objects onto ice Too many men on ice And unsportsmanlike conduct Delay of game is not a bench minor No Delay of game is not a bench minor It is No

If you shoot the puck out of the If you shoot the puck out Unintentionally But you still get the penalty It happened during play How is that a bench minor? Nikita Zaitsev found a way around that last night There was a play where he

just chips it. He pokes it completely on purpose, putting it out of play. It was an accident. Absolutely not. The difference is, I guess, the way your stick is pointed. Because if you shoot it, no. You go to the box. If you chip it out on purpose,

which is what he did, which is what the rule is there for, no. No, that's fine. Good for you, Nikita. You get right back out there. Stupid! Why won't the sport just let me love it? Please like my sport.

Please. So we're fourth in the conference. Please like your fans is what it should be. We're fourth in the conference, I think, like six points out of first place. I know. Second in the division. Yeah. I know.

It's not time to panic. I know, but it's been a 2-6-0 span, and rightfully, there's criticism. I'm not, Steve, I'm not quite so low as you are, I think. No, no, no. I just get frustrated. Okay, I'm going to give you a couple examples of what just happened this morning. Here's why I'm not upset. Yeah.

No, guys, I'm fine. Shut up, I saw your tweet. I'm fine. I saw your tweet. No, something is... I'm not mad. I kept thinking to myself, okay, something has to give with this lineup.

For the time being, and watch me jinx it for the next game, for the time being, Babcock seems to have finally shaken off the cobwebs and gone, okay, you know what? I need to play Carrick instead of Polak. For the time being, that seems to be the case. Not that Carrick had a banner game last night,

but, I mean, for the love of God, Polak is not an NHL player anymore. Do we agree? We agree. Moving on. Now, you ever walk down the street and you got a pebble in your shoe? Mm-hmm. You got two things you can do.

What do you usually try to do? Take the shoe off. Well, I think some people just try to keep on walking. Really? That's idiotic. Why would you do that? Well, like shake it so that, you know, cool, because you don't want to slow down. You're trying to do a thing.

Do you do that? Yeah, sometimes. I just try to keep on walking. You know what can wait? The thing. Well, then I get so in maybe I'm running towards the train But then at some point you just got to take off your shoe and just and throw it back. Yeah, right Have you ever been on TV with an earpiece? Yes

Have you has it ever like not worked? Yes. You ever been in the middle of constantly you ever take it out? Yep So I've done that too with Leafs TV. So you try to go through it You're trying to talk while there's some shit going on in your head and then you know what you got to do you just gotta take it out. Similar to your shoe with the rock. I think Dominic Moore is the rock. Or the broken earbud.

Why do you say that? Well, because this morning the Leafs called up Freddie Gauthier and I think it's because it's been obvious since the preseason that Mike Babcock is not feeling this whole Dominic Moore thing. Not that he's the reason they're playing poorly, but I'm saying that is a thing. So Dominic Moore

at the role that he's been has he been good has he been bad has he been okay has he been passable what's he been there's been a few

obviously bad nights there have been a couple other decent ones he's got three goals which I thought was surprising Matt Martin had a three assist game

let's not get too that's insane he looked great he was one of their best forwards I like him with Bozak and Marner man I really do

you gotta give Marner more and I think last night was a pretty good example I mean I know but it's still like It's the best

Matt Martin's ever looked I'm not saying It's the right move I'm just saying I like it I know Is Matt Martin Going to win

The Rock of Versailles trophy Yeah I think so Or he's going to win The Thornton The new award That doesn't exist yet For most assists

In a season The Thornton The Gretzky I think Marijuana Would call it That's what they should do By the way It should be a trophy

Wayne Gretzky Should have a trophy Named after him And Do they not have A Mark Messi award For leadership No.

And they don't have a Wayne Gretzky trophy? Didn't we talk about renaming the trophies once, like two years ago on the show? Yeah, they were like, nobody knows who Conn Smythe is, so let's rename that. You idiots. Then look it up, a-hole. It's going to be really interesting. Let's not call it the Stanley Cup anymore, because nobody knows who Stanley was. Who's this Stanley guy?

Who is this guy? Let's call it the Netflix Cup, because Netflix is willing to spend so much money to sponsor it. Show me, Adam. Show me. Anyway. Can I have the show me cup? The show me cup. Oh, nope.

Nope. Doesn't exist? Nope. It never happened, Steve. Also, let me throw this out there. Okay, so Dominic Morse has been okay, right? Well, okay, so he looked not so good. Ken Reed is here, so we shall go get him in a minute.

He doesn't look so good. Didn't look so good in the preseason. We're like, is Miro Altonen going to make this team? And then opening night, Eric Faire is the guy they chose. Now, after only a couple weeks, they send Eric Faire down. They re-sign Roman Polak. We find out it was some sort of cap finagling. The closer they get to the cap, the better it is for cap relief

because of LTIR, some kind of nonsense. But either way, the guy they chose to put in the lineup, they didn't have to put Eric Faire in the lineup. They could have just carried his cap in. They put Eric Faire in the opening night lineup. That means something. That is not without weight. Then Moore gets in, next game, scores a goal.

Guess what? Sitting the very next night On the western road trip Leafs are losing Things aren't going so good They put Marleau at center Because they're so sick Of this whole Dominic Moore thing And now they finally get home

They play one game That I want to say was either The too many men call I think it was It was the too many men call Babcock blows his lid Like completely goes insane And then later on in the shot

The camera picks up him talking to Moore Now I don't know if it was Moore's fault Or what was going on there I don't know what was going on there But maybe it was just me reading too much into it And now they call up Freddy Gauthier It's pretty obvious That Babcock would like some kind of change

At center By the way, if you haven't read it yet Read Justin Bourne's piece on Freddy Gauthier is not your punchline Must read, it's a must read Also, the fact that that guy has come back To the NHL now I'm surprised he's playing hockey at all

like his knee was reconstructed this is crazy so good for him looked good when we saw him yeah he did there was one more thing I wanted to bring up oh by the way can I just say this can we just come out and say this I don't think the Leafs have

enough talent on the back end to call themselves a contender contender for what though a cup that's what we're here for I think they're going to make the playoffs Barring some disaster If Matthews goes down for 40 games

Then that might be in jeopardy But I think the Leafs are going to make the playoffs I don't think they're good enough on the back end And that might just be time It might just take two or three years For them to really shore up the back end Because it's hard to have strong defense And it takes a while to

Get those guys ready to go But I think we have to come to terms with the fact The defense is just not good enough And can they manage that weakness By strong back checking from the forwards Let Carrick play every game Yes And Borgman is getting better

Every time I see him He looks great So that is encouraging The first few games I was like I don't know About this whole Borgman thing But no

He's looked better and better He's shown that he's got Some offensive flash So that's nice Jake I've never seen a player I would so confidently say Is good

And so confidently say Is bad At the same time I haven't really looked into it, but I was watching a conversation on Twitter between two analytics guys talking about how Gardner's numbers are down, like way down. So he's had a rough start. What I've been looking for for the past couple games is what Babcock has been screaming for, which is effort. You want to talk about players who I think are kind of lazy out there?

Bozak. I don't want to pick on a guy, but he looks really aloof out there. and there's no one else. Hesitant? No. Aloof. Okay. No one on the ice is more aloof

than Jake Gardner. So talented. So smart. And I'm just like, move. For the love of God, move. He drives me nuts.

He needs to be better. So, the Leafs maybe don't have the talent on the back end. They need their guys who we know are talented to play better as well.

Riley gave them that. Riley looked fantastic. Where's Jake's game? Yeah, the Riley-Hainsey game. pairing is great. Where's Jake's version of that? We need that.

We need that to come out. We need Gardner to have a couple excellent games here. Amazing. Okay, and with that... When's Doty's contract up? 2019. And he is resigning in LA

because look at that, they're a Stanley Cup contender again. It's unbelievable. LA is not Toronto. No. No, it's LA. That's a fact. Lower taxes and it's sunny.

I don't know, man. I kind of like winter. So maybe Drew Doty. Yo, to anyone that's like, yo, winter's better than summer, come on. No, it isn't. No, it's not. And I love hockey. No.

Winter is significantly worse than summer, which is why we love hockey. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Because it gives us something to do during the winter. Yeah, this sucks so immeasurably. Let's find a way to make it fun. And then hockey was born.

Bingo. There you go. Dowdy's coming here. All right. So we're going to bring on Ken Reed and Dennis Marouk. Dennis Marouk. I'm sorry. Dan Marouk.

his last name gets caught in my throat Ken Rory Dan Merrick to talk about baseball coming up on the Steve Dangle blog cast

so we're very excited to bring on a friend of the show and a new friend of the show Ken Reed Dennis Baruch thank you so much

for coming in today guys give him a round of applause thank you you can cheer for yourself make a soundbite yeah yeah that's what I do yeah

and we obviously have this new book it's called The Unforgettable Story of Hockey's Forgotten 60-Year-Old Man, and that would be you, Dennis Baruchan. We've got to talk about a bunch of the stories in this book and all of that, but first,

I want to get your thoughts on something. According to Barstool, the 2019 Winter Classic will be the Blackhawks versus the Bruins at Notre Dame Stadium. That is breaking right now. I mean, I'm just glad the Blackhawks got into an outdoor game finally. Yeah, right, exactly.

My son went to Notre Dame. At least, finally, someone's thinking of the Blackhawks. Oh, yeah? Yeah, so I went to Notre Dame junior, senior year. No kidding. Played at Notre Dame. Played at Notre Dame, yeah. Wow.

That must have been cool to go to. It was great. It was great. I went to a couple football games, and the Michigan game was unbelievable. I can't believe how you get 95,000 people in that little self-bend Indiana town. It's unbelievable. But it was a lot of fun. We had a great time.

I always wonder with that many people in a stadium, I wonder, does it feel like when you're back, you're like last row, and I've sat last row for Steelers games, and you're like, this is terrifying. like there's so many people on this you almost want like it's like that you know in San Francisco

where they during the World Series the stadium the earthquake yeah like it almost feels like how does this not shake how can this many people

be in this one little spot well it was shaking the night Rudy Rudiger took it over yeah yeah you guys don't know Rudy the Rudy movie

no tell us about it no man we were born in 1988 I know I was telling Dennis before we came in how young you guys are Rudy

you never heard of the movie Rudy oh sorry no no no we know yeah we know I mean, I know, but I don't know. The kid from Goonies, Lord of the Hobbits, whatever it's called,

he was Rudy Ruediger. So Rudy Ruediger was a kid who walked on Notre Dame back in the 70s, and he was 5'0", 100-0, as they said in the movie, and he was on the practice squad for two years. You got what they said about me, right? That's exactly what they said about Dennis. And he made the team, and they dressed him for a game in his senior year, and he made a sack, and they carried him off the field.

Come on, guys, you've got to watch Rudy. alright watch it actually we were giving I watched it I watched it years ago and I was giving on another podcast I was giving Sasky Stewart

hell for not watching it so I need to get back and watch it's been a long time you're a hypocrite I know I'm terrible if she finds out I'm in trouble

Ken yes you love to tell stories that are good with all your books that are good that are great

but they're also the stories of I mean one of the books the first time we met the book you were talking about is guys that played one game in the show

and And this is an interesting story because who can forget somebody who scored 60 goals in an NHL season? And what's amazing about it is that, I mean, how many people have ever done it? 20? Yep, 20. Not many. 20 players. And Dennis, you're one of them.

I was the seventh player to do it. Yeah, so I was. Wow. That makes it even more impressive. A couple years ago. So the guys to do it before you, Dennis, were who? Phil. Oh, geez.

Bobby Hall. He was the senior Bobby Hall. Steve Schott. Reggie Leach. Reggie Leach. Wayne Gratzky. And Mike Bossy. and you did it.

How did this all come together? Do you want me to say it? Yeah, go ahead. There was another, I met another fellow and talked a little bit about my stories. And then he said, yeah, you should do a book.

And I go, nah, I ain't got to do a book. Why would I need to do that? And so he says, I got to introduce this other guy, Ken Reed. I go, well, who's Ken Reed? And he started telling me. Oh, you're a really good hockey player. Fancy suits.

I said, okay, let's meet. We met for lunch and figured it'd be about an hour and ended up being like five, five and a half hour meeting at lunch and put his little recorder on and started telling him stories and I said, okay, let's do it. And we just worked together. Right there on the first meeting. Yeah, right there and then just kind of like just went on and on.

I thought about it for a while when I first met the other fellow that introduced me to Ken. And then when I just got, you know, I started telling the stories and it was pretty cool. You know, the ones that, stories that are personal were tough to talk about, but I think it was good to let them come out, yeah. We met at the MasterCard Center and I knew who Dennis was, right? I'm a hockey card geek. I'm a hockey history nerd, so I knew who Dennis Marouk was. But I also know when guys name the 60 goal scorers, they get to the end and they're trying to think and sometimes Dennis doesn't, his name's at the end.

So the thing was, we met at the MasterCard Center, and the Leafs were kind of just wrapping up practice. And I remember it was either one of the Leafs trainers or one of the equipment men was there, and Dennis was over talking to them. And he introduced Dennis to his friends, who were obviously hockey guys. They go, oh, this is Dennis Baruch. They go, Dennis Baruch. And the trainer goes, 60 goals.

They go, oh, yeah, 60 goals, 60 goals. And we sat there in the MasterCard Center. Nobody bothered us. And we just went to lunch in the cafeteria. Nobody bothered us. Now, if you're sitting there with Guy Lafleur, who scored 60 in a season, or anybody else who scored 60 in a season, you're probably going to get bothered. I went to a lacrosse game with Dart Guy, and we couldn't move.

Right. So I love these stories of guys who slip by the radar. I was a lacrosse goalie. Yeah, there you go. So I love stories of guys whose stories should really be told, but people don't necessarily know. It's like getting that uncovered nugget. So to me, Dennis is a huge part of hockey history, total sniper,

and people need to know his story. So if you've got a know-it-all uncle up there, get him this book and say, you know this Uncle Bob? Because I bet you Uncle Bob, if he's really good, he'll know it. But if he isn't, he'll read it, and then he'll be a big know-it-all to all his buddies because then he'll really know it all. But it's a great story. And the other thing that got me about it,

I didn't want to write a story about a guy who scored 60 goals. I wanted to write the story about the man who scored 60 goals. Exactly. There's so many hockey books out there where it's just, I was a very good hockey player. Let me tell you about how I was a good hockey player. But your story goes so much further beyond that. Well, we wanted to, when I came up with the 60 chapters, 60 goals, and I'm 60 years old.

I'll be 62 on November 17th, but same day, same year, Gordon Lightfoot, November 17th. There you go. Do you guys know Gordon Lightfoot? I do. I went to see him. He's at Massey Hall every year in November. I went a couple years ago. And I read a lot of James Patterson books.

like I love his books and the author James Patterson but and so I wanted to write this book that way because the autobiographies you're like I start as you said start playing hockey at eight years old and I didn't want that they're boring I wanted something that was kind of twists

and turns and short chapters and that's what until you want to read it and not finish it well the point of an autobiography too is to get to know the person right not the career right right in that book there's not much I believe about hockey, about my career.

It's about stories and things I did post-career and all that. So we kind of twisted them all in there. Views with the boys. You're out in the road, all that kind of stuff. And that's all the money stuff, right? Yeah, that's what we wanted. No, nobody talks about it. There's some good stories in there, but there's no names.

I'm sure the players will know when they read it. Oh, that was me. Oh, it was me. Oh, yeah. The one I like in there is veteran advice, where the guy tells you to get a prostitute when you're a rookie, and you're going, what in the hell are you talking about? Well, I did mention his name.

We didn't mention his name. I don't know. No, we didn't. We didn't. That's probably good. Yeah, yeah. He was a famous player, and it was my first year, really. And he was playing St. Louis, and we had a big party in Oakland,

and he says, you're a good hockey player. And I said, well, thanks. You were great. And it was kind of his end of his career. And I said, yeah, I'm getting married. And he goes, what are you getting married for? You know, you don't need that. You know, you just end up with a prostitute.

Oh, my God. You just pay her some money and, you know, and pay her a couple times. Next thing you know, you don't have to pay. Roughly what year was this? And I go, wait a minute here. I was 20 years old. I was 75, 70.

I was 20 years old. and I was kind of like taken back a little bit by, you know, because I didn't know much about it. I got married. Don't worry about it. You'll probably bump into him thinking he's going to give you advice on how to score goals in the league. You should do this when you're back in.

He should get a professional prostitute. I have bumped into him. He had a rough time. He's changed his life around, and I did mention that to him. We just chocked on about it. That's all he can do. All he does is chock on about it. It's funny.

As an older man, I've heard that you pay for your sins when you're younger. so I'm looking at your HockeyDB page right now so your total career this is your online hockey card and you were one

of the few players maybe the only one who played for both the California Golden Seals and the Cleveland Barons and I think you came into the

league with the California Golden can you tell us a little bit about and I don't want to wreck anything that's in the book but what was it

like playing for the Seals? Well you know I was drafted by them so it was a chance an opportunity to write in and play in the NHL they were not a real strong team if I was drafted by Montreal or a top team in the

league I might not had that chance and and I went to camp and made made the team uh luckily I was pretty much I was told I was too small I was going to be in the minors and all that kind of stuff but it was it was fun I was 19 I got to go to Berkeley I got to go to San Jose I got to go to San Francisco you know and I bought a 73 Corvette you know the last year they had the bumpers and all that you and I had my name on the license plate and all that, so I'm driving to Nimitz, Nimitz Freeway, and I just had a great time there. So, but then...

Won a lot of hockey games, right? No, we didn't win a lot of hockey games, no. And then they moved the team, I'll go on further than that, moved the team to Cleveland after that one year, and we were all shocked because... They'd barely really given it a shot. They tried to build a rink in San Francisco, at that time was Mayor

Moscone who got shot a year they voted against it 13-3 so they had to move the team and they ended up moving it to Cleveland in that summer you know it was kind of tough bit of a change

I never knew that story so it was a challenge we went through some tough times in Cleveland we didn't get paid for a month that's a thing Yeah. That can happen? That can happen.

In the National Hockey League. We think it's just the KHL. Yeah. No, no. So we were kind of wondering. It was really tough there. And then all of a sudden we had a situation where Buffalo was in town and they told us in the morning skate that the team was going to fold

and we're going to go on a draft. All the players are going to go on a draft. And so we went out and partied all day because we figured we were going to say goodbyes to each other. and we had no insurance. The only way we were going to play if we had insurance to cover us for injury or whatever. And so Alan Eagleson called our player rep at 4.30

and said, the game's on. So by 4.30. The game's on, 4.30. We're pretty looped up pretty good, you know. And then one of our players, Ralph Klassen, we ended up getting him at 10 to 7. And the game was at 7 to 5. But we lost 6-2.

It wasn't bad. Got your clothes. Buffo was in town. They had to wait to hear it. They couldn't leave. They had to wait to hear from the league that the game was on. That's beer league hockey. That's hilarious.

I would love footage of that game. I went through all that kind of stuff. And I had a good year. I mean, I told them my numbers were pretty good and everything. And so I just thought that at some point in time I was going to get to a good team or a contender or whatever. Team that paid. Yeah, team that paid. And then, of course, the Cleveland-Minnesota merge that time.

And we finished the year in the Minnesota merge. And they told me that I was going to be Lou Nanny, the GM of the Minnesota North Stars, told me that he was trying to trade me for a first-round pick because he was going to keep his centerman. They were already there, Bobby Smith, Timmy Young, Glenn Sharpley. And I said, well, that's fine. Do it in the summer so I don't come to Minnesota and all that. Well, there was no trade. No trade.

And then he calls and says, come to Minnesota. People are going to love you here. My lawyer was Alan Eagleson. And I called him. He says, no, just go there. Rent a house. There's a couple teams that are looking to get you. Well, of course, first game I didn't play.

I dressed. And second game, that's when it all happened. Yeah, because it says here that you were two games. Right, that's it. No points. Well, I didn't. I dressed but didn't play. The bonus was your wife showed up.

I one-shifted. And I asked Harry Howell, who was a coach. Yeah, yeah, Hall of Famer. Yeah, Harry Howell. But, yeah, he was leading them. My wife was driving our cars, and her sister was driving our cars to Minnesota. And she arrived at, let's see,

I got told at 4.30 I was traded. There was a game that night. I was getting picked up. She arrived at quarter to five. And so I tell her I got traded. Yeah, so it was kind of all in that little short period of time. Turn the car around. No, so I had to leave the next day, and Washington was –

I got a call. I found out from the Capitals. I didn't find out from the North Stars. The Capitals called me, and you figure that – Oh, you got a call from the team that got you. Yeah. You figure – usually the team that – Trades you.

They tell you first. You think, hey, thanks for your service. Yeah, we just received your services. You're ours now. I go, well, wait a minute. I haven't heard from – and then Luna and he called me after that. So it was all that. The Leafs should just call up Drew Ann.

You're not playing tonight. So it was kind of like, it was real frustrating. But the Capitals were great. They flew, they took care of the cars and everything and flew my wife. And it was a really nice situation when I got there. So things worked out pretty good. But we also had the Save the Caps campaign.

So it was another frustrating time there in Washington. The team was not very good. It sounds like the early part of my career. It's just every place I tried to work and do highlights, they're like, guess what? you're laid off we're just going to fold as a company

so you mentioned that you know you were told you're too small and all that I'm looking here on your hockey DB it says you were

5 foot 8 a buck 65 is that even you think that's generous when I first came in I was 158 I believe my first year pro

that's when I was my last year junior and then Johnny Gaudreau before I was cool I kind of put on I put on a few pounds in the summer

I put on about 15, 20 pounds, just drinking and eating a lot of food and just doing things. The healthy way. Yeah, the healthy way. Just doing things that make you put on weight, right? Because I knew I needed to get heavier. And conditioning wasn't a big thing. Working out was not a big thing.

It was come to camp, whether you're 25, 30 pounds overweight, you're going to get in shape because we skated a lot, didn't play a lot of games. During that time, there wasn't a lot of exhibition games, whereas you're playing, what, the third day in camp now. And so, yeah, and then I ended up being about between 170 and 175 my career. That's what I was. Wow. Yeah.

Holy smokes. After that first year. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I think this is where the story really sort of takes off. And, Ken, you know, you must have looked at this as the guy that's helping to write this book and go, okay, Washington is where kind of this takes off. For you, Ken, when you were putting this together,

is it kind of like, do you look at the stats and go, okay, how do you start this story? It's a fascinating hockey card, yeah. Well, 60 is, it's the focal point, right? But 60 isn't the story. So when I'm sitting with Dennis and we're getting around to writing the book, first thing we start talking about is, of course, the 60.

And then our conversation just kind of goes. And then Dennis gets into, you know, when his career was over, and he says, Yeah, you know, I was coaching in Lake Charles for a bit. And then, you know, we were running out on boats to serve oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop. Yeah, wait, what? And so Dennis has this big, gigantic story about being a sailor.

Deckhand. Deckhand in the Gulf of Mexico for six months. First chapter of the book. First chapter of the book. And I think, how many 60 goal scorers were deckhands in the Gulf of Mexico and were piloting a ship in a storm in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico 15 years after they scored 60. And I'm thinking, probably zero.

Then Dennis starts, and I said, well, what else did you do? And I think it's around Chapter 34. There's a chapter about Dennis being the farmhand for John Oates from Holland Oates. Oh, my God. Really? And I think, how many former 60-goal scorers were farmhands for John Oates? Or farmhands at all. Or having a cigarette with Goldie Hawn.

Yeah. What? Delivered furniture to Goldie Hawn. In Aspen. Set up Kevin Costner's wedding. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Shoot the breeze with Kurt Russell, who actually played one of his coaches, Herb Brooks. And all these stories start coming together, and I'm going, this is so awesome.

Then we get into what really happened after the career. Anxiety, depression, wondering who you are. Where are you going? Where are you going? What are you going to do? And I can relate to that. I've got anxiety. I've battled depression.

So we kind of connected on that. So all these stories start coming out, and then we kind of go, oh, yeah, the goals. So all these stories are kind of interspersed around this guy that scored 60 goals. Now, if you know hockey, you know Dennis scored 60 goals. But kind of like hockey card stories, there's so much more than just what you're seeing on HockeyDB or the stats you're seeing on the back of the hockey card. So all these stories are coming at me, and I'm going, wow, this is a book. so it's up to me

to arrange them in such a manner that they kind of flow and it was funny he did a great job thank you but Dennis mentioned how he liked

the stories to kind of come in and out interspersed in and out so when we were doing the book one of the editors goes for some reason

chapter 34 is about John Oates it just kind of shows up and I go yeah and I go it's kind of like

Seinfeld where all these different things happen and they all come together at the end so there was all these great stories and it just,

it's like my brain was, and it was just racking. So I think we probably ended up getting about 20 hours on tape. Yeah, tape. Wow. And so then I would connect

hour three with hour eight. Like, and then. We go back and forth with each other. Yeah. You know, no, I need this. You need this put in there. And then something else changes,

you know. And at the end, I had the heart. And then at the end you had quadruple bypass. Quadruple bypass. So I had to, which I didn't know about

and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So I had no symptoms, but yeah. A year ago right now, Dennis calls me and goes, I got some news. Yeah. What? He goes, well, you tell the story.

Go ahead. What, about the heart? Yeah, I got to go in and get my chest ripped open. Well, I did a disability claim in the state of California. And so I had to go down there and get tested for it for their doctors. And then my lawyer's doctor. And they sent back a disc of 80 pages of medical terms. Well, I'm so smart and a hockey player, I'm going to read those medical terms in no way.

And so I took it to my doctor, and he looked at it and called me back a few days and said, do you know you have thickness, the left side of your heart? I go, no. Do you have chest pain? I haven't felt in there recently, so I don't know. Do you have chest pain? Yes, I do know. And what?

Well, and you got chest pains or thick, or you have shortness of breath? He says, no, doc, I feel great. So he says, well, we better get it checked. I said, okay, so three months of getting tested in Toronto here, EKGs, all the heart murmur tests, all that. They couldn't find anything. So we said, we better go a little further

and find out what it is. So that's when we did the angiogram where they shoot the dye in it. And that's what they found. December 10th is when I did it. They found 90% blocked. Four of them. So I went in at the end of January and they took

the arteries out of my wrist, arm here, and put them in there in my heart. And I got 20, probably 20, 30 years left in my life, so I'm doing pretty good. Wow. The doctor said I could go try out for the Capitals again. Well, I mean, they need you. He says, you can't shape me to go.

He says, your heart's going to be great. So I don't have to see them for a year, the cardiologist or the doctors. And that's how I found out. I had no symptoms. That was an amazing phone call. Yeah, no symptoms. And that's what the phone call said. Well, here's something else we can put in there.

By the way, we have a new ending. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I got a great girlfriend who had to put the girlfriend in and all that. But I went to the hospital, what, two, three days after your surgery? I look pretty good, eh? And I'm thinking, wow. I know that's not in your case, but I'm praying.

Dad, you look terrible. I'm thinking, wow, I'm going to be promoting this book on my own because you could hardly move. And then I saw you a month later, and he's Dennis Baruch again. And four days ago, he played four hockey games. You know, that's what people don't think I should be playing. I go, what do you mean? I feel fine. It'll look better than I did.

Yeah. And probably better that you're playing. He actually looked better than you did the day I saw him in the hospital after the surgery. But you dangle better than I do. I know you skate a little faster. I don't know about that. Okay. So I got to ask.

So you guys all played that charity hockey game. I guess it was late last week. Right. Can we get a scouting report on Steve? Steve, sit down here. Jesse's going to replace the cameras. We need to get the scouting report on you. Okay.

Anything to avoid this part. And then Ken. He was first line. First line. Power play. Wow. Penning, killing. And water boy.

Yeah. There you go. I think it was a pretty good selfie taker. And he blocked a shot. Okay. I don't think he scored. No. I didn't get a shot on goal.

But you know the greatest thing about Mr. Daniel here is that I respect for him. That was the first time skating. Yeah, in a hockey game, yeah. A hockey game with equipment on. It's not easy. No, it's not. No. And especially when you're older.

And I work with older people that have just started playing hockey, and it's frustrating. But it's great to see they go ahead and try and do what we did for many, many years, starting when I was eight years old. But I recommend he was the highest fundraiser. Absolutely. For Moose Power. For Moose Power.

Moose Power, and that's awesome. And for Easter Seals, that's great. I will say, I respect Steve, and I respect Andy Knapp, who also played in the tournament for the first time more than anybody else on our team. Takes guts to go out there. Look, I've been playing since I was eight. I stink, and I'm not that much better than Steve.

No, come on now. You had style, though. You had the Jofa helmet. You had the JVR mouthpiece just hanging out the entire time. I look good. Do you wear the face shield or no? No, come on now. Ken, you're a TV personality.

I got big teeth as well. Me too. There you go. But seriously, I think what Steve did should be an inspiration to anybody else out there. Strap on the blades, try it, and when you can try it in an environment where you're helping out Easterseals, you're helping kids with physical disabilities, and you've got your great listeners here that are contributing. I mean, without you, our team raises hardly anything. So thanks to you, thanks to your listeners, but I think I respect guts to go out there.

I mean, if you came up to me right now and said, hey, I've got a pickup basketball tournament. Kenny, you want to come play in it? No, I'd be scared to death. I'd be scared to death. So respect you for coming out. See, Ken, you're tall enough that you could be a real factor in a basketball game. I played on my high school team. We were 0-18.

We were 0-18? We were 0-18. We were horrible. And I was not a starter. Yeah. You'd be calling me and I'll be Spike Webb. That's right. Head coach was Bob Cooper.

All he wanted was a minimum of four head fakes before every shot. If you did that, he was... Good. What high school did you go to? Pictou Academy. Oh, PICTO. Yeah, they threaten to close it down every year, but then the locals get nasty and they keep it open.

Canadians get very protective. Protective of their hockey, protective of their PICTO academy. I think the public school I went to was 50 years old when I went there, so it's probably closer to 75 now. Joseph Howe? No, Centennial Road. And it probably had 150 kids in the total school and was well past its prime,

and the neighborhood had outgrown it, But every time they tried to shut it down, the parents got together and signed all the petitions. All the fundraisers. Well, Pictou Academy is 202 years old. I'm older than you guys, and my public school is still there. Is it? Yeah. There you go.

Pictou Academy. I lived in Rexdale. It's still going. It's still going? We're 202 years old. And the high school, the 7th and 8th grade was Heatherbury. And it's still, it's a new name, but the school's right there. And then I went to high school, West Humber Collegiate.

Here's how illustrious Pictou Academy is, and this is a note for you guys. Drake Kajula of the Edmonton Oilers his grandfather, R. McDonald, taught at Pictou Academy wrap that one around your head of course you would know that Nova Scotians are like Italians they all know each other

I know you through somebody, I do you're right it's amazing, like Greeks too Greeks too, for sure, Greeks all know the other Greeks I'm just going to stay away from the stereotyping conversation come on you know Steve Irwin, Nova Scotian

Somehow Somehow he was The croc on it? Yeah So Dennis I gotta ask you Working with Ken All the time

Right What's he like To work with To partner with On something Other than annoying Oh boy I don't know

If I got the exact word For that But I think that Is it four letters You can swear No not four letters But you know When you meet

With someone For the first time And you don't know And then you're telling stories. You're kind of like, well, maybe I shouldn't be telling this guy some stories. I don't know what he's doing. And this guy works for Sportsnet? This is going to be on the news.

We're just going. How far is this going to go? And then, you know, the more times we met, I felt a lot comfortable with around just saying anything that I did. And it was really neat. And I think the connection probably after the second time we met, it was really strong. because I was able to, you know, when we were going to meet again, I was able to just keep telling more, saying more things, more personal things that some people will never say about their personal life,

and it just got me to be real comfortable. And then when we started to ask questions, I just felt really at ease with him, and I think it just was a great connection to work together on this book. And that book right there does not come out strong from Ken Reed. But, you know, he really put that whole package together. He said the story, said a few things, but it's, you know, that's why he's a powerful writer. I don't know what he's like on Sportsnet, but I mean.

He wears it good. He wears it too well. His marker really carries him. I watch the show a lot more now than I used to, so there you go. But, no, he's just a great man, and I respect him for all his stories. And I know he's written a few books now, and I'd be looking forward to the next one. but he's done really well

but it's really been a pleasure getting to know Ken and I've done a few events with him now so it's been great Ken, I've got to ask you with this book, and this is not your first book this is not your second book so you kind of get the idea of what it's going to take each time what is it with this book that you think

where your growth was and what you're most proud of now well, this is my first autobiography so I had to write in somebody else's voice which was a challenge at first the other thing was we had to go back over some stories as Dennis said we learned to trust each other as this went on

so I'd go over stories again because Dennis would be able to put a little meat on the bone and give me more details maybe at the first meeting he said you know and then I had a tough time but then the fourth minute I'd go what was a tough time bring me to that tough time so I just

Man, it was a challenge Because when you're writing your own book It's easy, you know the details I was there When I'm writing Dennis' book I gotta get all this stuff out of him And like he said, at first We don't really know each other

So he's kind of just given I guess maybe a just generic media interview Whereas by, I guess What, 18, 19 hours into the taping I mean, I talk to his I talk to his sons his daughters, his ex-wife, his ex-teammates, his ex-buddies from growing up. I talked to maybe, what, 20 other people just to get a shape of who Dennis was.

And there's quotes at the head of every chapter from other people we talked to. And, I mean, I don't know. Like I said, we were together in the hospital three days after he had opened heart. So you connect and you become friends. Because ideally, I think if you want to give an accurate representation of the person, which I hope I did, I think one of the nicest comments Dennis gave me so far, and he just gave it to me about an hour ago, and I said, did your kids read the book? He said, John read it. John's Dennis' son. And he said, it was great.

Wouldn't change a thing. To which you said, if anyone was going to be critical of it, it would be John's. Definitely, yeah. So that was nice. And I must say, this man has the nicest kids you would ever want to meet. John, Sarah, and Jay Lee. Right. Thank you.

Oh, my goodness. Like, just, like, the nicest kids in the world. I'm literally talking to John on the phone just in my backyard. John's got a five-year-old and a three-year-old. I got a kid who's about to be five, about to be three, so we can relate. But just, and, I mean, Venice's family's going through stuff as you're writing the book. So there's all kinds of stuff that's happening.

And it was a challenge, but it was a fun one. And it was a pleasure to work with a guy. And I'm so glad that his story's out there, because this is a guy who should be appreciated for what he did. What is it, 878 points in 888 games? That's correct. That's pretty massive, and I don't care what era it's in. Somebody had to score the goals, and this guy, as I learned from a lot of ex-players,

would go into some big-boy territory to score some pretty nasty goals. Well, I was looking at some of the players who gave you testimonials and stuff, and there are some big names in here. Oh, yeah, here we go. So you got Phyllis Pizzito, Wendell Clark, Dennis Savard, and Marcel Dion rode your forward. Yeah, that's awesome. How do you know these guys?

I mean, besides just as a player. Well, I played against them, a lot of guys, and then I've done a lot of different events with players and all that, and Ken had contacted pretty much all these guys. And to read their comments, you have a lot of respect for them, them but also what they said about me and i think that that goes a long way and and that i realized that hey i must have been a bad hockey player i must have been okay because i was always i was always told i was too small to play and in a big man's game and and and to hear comments from these

great hockey players means a lot to me that that i did something as a kid made it and uh yeah i have a lot of respect for all the guys that say that to my teammates my peers all that there was a great

quote from Eric Lindros too it didn't make it onto the back cover I wanted it to but Eric basically said what a lot of people said

he said oh Dennis showed up at my alumni things I love Dennis he's such a great guy he's great with the players I didn't know he scored 60 goals

then I found out I was like whoa that's coming from a hockey hall of fame Eric Lindros I'm paraphrasing did not play that long

after you did no Eric probably would have had Dennis' hockey card just like every other kid. What is the reason that this is a forgotten 60-goal season? The reason? Well, I think that if you, as we said, mentioned earlier,

I mean, there's not, when you do talk about the 60-goal scores, my name does not come up, you know, unless you're maybe in Washington or something. But it really doesn't come up. And I've been in conversations with people and trying to get all the names of the players that have done that. I think what happened was that I was in an era and then with teams that were not really successful

or didn't get a lot of exposure. So I am the unforgotten 60-goal man. When you bring up a 60-goal, as you said, they'll talk about the Gretzky, Lemieux, and Brett Hall, Solani, and all that. Uh-uh. My name does not come up at all. And when you score 60 and you're 32 behind the leading goal scorer. Right, right, right.

You scored 60 the year Gretzky broke the record. Got 92. Set the record, 92. Gretzky was a good season of goal scoring ahead of 60. You know, I used to, when I go to the airport and go to fights and stuff, and I wear hats sometimes, Fidero hats, and not all the time, and I dress black a lot. And when I go in there, I go to recognize, I go, where's your musician?

Where's your instrument? They think I'm in a band. That's unbelievable. I go, no, I'm a hockey player. Is your trouble with hockey sticks whether they say to you or not? No, they're already down. You know, they're already in the, you know, underground with the bags. But it's kind of funny that I get asked to be a, you must be a musician.

I go, wait a minute here. You know, I'm a hockey player. You don't look like a hockey player. So I get that a lot. And it was just, you know, that's just the way it is. I mean, you can accept it. Well, it's appropriate how your book starts. Yeah, Daddy-O, I'm Dennis Maru.

As we're on the Gretzky thing, can you bring up the time you big-legged Gretzky when your brother brought him to your house after your rookie year? Oh, yeah, that's right. That was awesome. I, of course, lived in Rexdale, and we went to West Humber Cleats High School, and Wayne was there delivering awards.

he's good friends with someone else that was at the school so my I was at the house and my younger brother brought Wayne over and

he was already playing and I said well I said well I'll see you on the ice kid you know

that's what I said to him in the backyard that's what I said I was kind of cocky you know I was already playing and he had

you know oh by the way you gotta pick up the book just for Dennis' mustache by the way by the mustache the Fu Manchu That's meaner than Clark's.

Yeah, you know, yeah. So, and then Gretzky, I think at one time, I got played against him all my whole career, and he says, you know, you don't have to hit or you don't have to fight or stuff like that. Just go score goals and make plays. And I looked at him, I go, are you going to start fighting now?

So I'm not going to change my game because you told me I have to change it. No, I've been successful the way I play, and that's the way I am. So that was kind of cute. I think I want to face off, too. That's important. You know, it's funny.

Marcel Dion is the guy who writes the foreword for this book. And you could argue that. Marcel is in a similar position to you. Because to me, Marcel Dion is the forgotten 70s and 80s superstar. Because he was a stud in the 70s, too. But the second he left Detroit. Where did he play? Played in L.A. King.

The L.A. King's pre-Gretzky. Pre-Gretzky is a very important distinction. Yeah. No one cared. I mean, you talk about a guy, he almost had 60 goals. There was one year he had 59. Right. When you played against a guy like him, he must have just been breathtaking to watch.

Well, I broke his record in junior. You did? For the Knights? For three years, yeah. I broke his record. For points or what? Yeah, for three years, points, yeah, total points and that. And, of course, he played three years in St. Catharines and all that.

So he already kind of knew a little bit about me. And so then I got drafted by California Golden Seals. And as I said earlier, I had no contract. I was too small. And the first exhibition game I had was against L.A. And I played against him a lot, a center. He's a centerman. And I ended up scoring two goals, and I think I was first star, yeah.

And the GM at present tapped me on the shoulder and said, when we come back to Oakland, you're not going to the minors. We're going to sign you to a contract. So I was kind of like $30,000 to sign, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000, and I'm 19 years old. That's big money. Yeah. 75. You guys don't know that, but that was a few years ago.

A lot of mustache-grooming products with that money. Well, you bought a Corvette in your first season. Yeah, that's right. So I had some money and gave money to my parents. They wanted a pool. So, you know, that was kind of a neat thing. But he just was, you know, what he wrote in there, when you get a chance to read what he wrote, but it was kind of like he was my idol.

My favorite hockey player was Bobby Hall growing up as a kid, but Marcel Dion was my idol because we, yes, when you said we were similar type players, we played in teams that were not really well publicized or out east or whatever. They were kind of on the back burner, but look what he did in his career. It's unbelievable.

Never won a Stanley Cup, you know, and the numbers on that man, what he did. But, you know, this is so crazy. I do a lot of different events with them and have over the last few years. And just a wonderful man. He deserves every award because, you know, what he did in a team that was not successful, really. I mean, he has 49 career playoff games.

Yeah. Yeah. They never really got beyond the second round. People forget, too. Jay Holmeister before it was cool. Yeah. Yeah, people forget how good that 75-76 Kings team was with him and Rogie, or 74-75, but it was a really good team.

So, yeah, just a great man, and I respect the great comments he said about me. That's great. But us, you know, we're two pitbulls. Yeah. Two pitbulls. They never stop. Yeah? Yeah.

Well, along the lines of you being a pitbull, was there ever a situation where you're like, ah, I bit off more than I can chew here? I maybe shouldn't have picked this fight. No, no, no. No, I don't think so. That from a man who cross-checked Wendell Clark across the forehead. Wow.

I got... You still got him to comment on the book. Yeah, you know, I can tell you a little bit. Wendell's a great... I've done a lot of things lately with Wendell. But the first time, when I moved back to Toronto nine years ago, I got involved with the NHL alumni. I went in there and said, I moved back to Toronto.

I'm in town. Anything you got going on, give me a call. So I did one little event, and then the next one, it was with Wendell, and I had to meet him. And we were in a bar, and he was in the stall tables, and he's already there, and I'm walking in. I go, what am I going to say to him? I cross-checked him, well, a little too high, and he got a few stitches,

and I got three-game suspension. I had to go to the league, and, you know, that's what it was. But I was nervous, and I don't know what I was going to say. And Wendell never got to play against you again after that cross-check, I should say. We won't get into the game and all that kind of stuff, because we had a back home and away with Toronto. I was in North Stars in Toronto.

But, yeah, and then I walk up there, and I kind of look at him, and I go, hey, how you doing? And we shook each hand. And he says, listen, I just want to apologize for getting in. He says, I don't worry about it. That's okay. That's the way the game was. That's the way we played then.

Sticks were up high, all that kind of stuff. Above the eyebrows. I know I probably stick to you too. Don't worry about it. Let's have a beer and have fun. Awesome. And I was, you know, because I did get my stick up a little high, but you had to do things like that because I was beat up.

I was a target. I was a goal scorer and playmaker and all that, and I was abused. There wasn't too many games that I didn't come out where my body was sore from being slashed, cross-checked, or whatever. I still produced, still had to do the same thing, but I gained a lot of respect. If you look at my penalty minutes I've had,

I had some pretty good penalty minutes, and they weren't misconducts. They were like, you know, some fights and some cross-check or spearing or slashing back to the guy that did it to me, but it gave me a lot of respect and a lot of space. And like, I'll say one comment with Bobby Clark, after we were both retired and I did an event with him here in Toronto.

And he came up to me and he says, hey, you look, I don't know if I can say it on the PR. Can you, can you, you can say it on the PR. You're quoting him. I'm saying, well, he's a little prick, you know. And I kind of said, well, I said, yeah, well, so are you, you know, because he'd spear you and I'd spear him right back. And he says, and he said, well, you know what? every time we played you, we had

your number, 21 on our board in our dressing room circle. Get him. He's going to score goals. If he doesn't score, we're going to win the game. You know, all that kind of stuff. And the Flyers back then were just shy of a prison game. So, I mean, to hear

that from a Hall of Famer, a great player that played against Bobby Carr, it's kind of, geez, I guess it wasn't too bad, you know? But I gave me, but I had to do that. I had to give it back. Otherwise, They walk all over you. Oh, you prick is a compliment.

Well, that is, if I may. Exactly, sorry. I think, is it chapter eight, Dennis? What was that? Chapter eight, learn to be a prick. Learn to be a prick, yeah. That was my buddy Dave Hutcherson. I played in Chicago and played in L.A. too, L.A. and Chicago, and the Leafs.

But we met in London, and I had good totals in junior, and I said, well, I can score, I can make plays. He says, but really, what do I got to do to make it there? He says, you got to be a prick. I go, oh, okay, what do you mean? He says, well, even in practice, you know, teammates, you got to hit the guys. You got to hit the best guys. The coach is going to want to say, well, here, and then on the ice,

when you have an opportunity, you know, you might fight the odd time, but, I mean, you got to hit their best guys. You got to hit them every chance you get. And so then they see you doing that, and they go, oh, geez, you know, that's pretty cool so that's what I did I just kept going from there

who was and we know who the best players are in the 80s and the 70s right we know who was the who was the guy

that you were like okay when that team comes up on the calendar that guy gives me a little anxiety that guy is one that's going to be

tough to contain you're a centerman right so you got to be back for all the defensive you're the one that's got to tail these guys

who's that guy that you're like every time man I hated playing him because he was so good you know I played in different eras. So, you know, I played against Phyllis Bozzito and Bobby Orr

and all those guys. That was their last. Yeah, who? Holy mackerel. All those famous Roger Billings. Okay, I get you guys not knowing Rudy, but Bobby Orr. Come on now. Come on now.

That's why I mentioned him. Phyllis Bozzito, you guys know him. Yeah, yeah. But, and so I, and then I went through the, you know, the crappy times, the brought to bullies, and then it was the Islanders. They were so strong with Abassi, Trotz, and Gillies, Kirk Gillies. And then it was the Oilers.

I was north of the Edmonton Oilers. And so there was two guys that I have a lot of respect for, but they were chippy and dirty in their own way. A lot of people didn't see that was Mark Massey and Brian Trotche. A lot of people, but you see as an outsider, you don't see the on-ice stuff that goes on. and they were so Mark played center too

they were so strong and powerful they were tough to play against I could play against Gretzky but those two guys were so hard and mean and tough and chippy and dirty in their way and I had a lot of respect because they were so hard

and I know it was just tough to play against them and I think each one especially Trotty has won every award except for Grammy So I think he got a lot of respect. And he's a great singer, too. He did win a Grammy one day.

But I have a lot of respect for him. I've been with him in events and done things. So those two players are really the players I would say that were the two toughest players that were great players, but two toughest to play as a centerman, yes. Trotz was going to write the foreword for the book, too. He's got a lot of respect for Dennis. They're good buddies. And just didn't team up.

Yeah, and, man, it was funny. You brought up the spectrum. One thing I never asked you about the Broad Street Bullies, what was it like going into the spectrum against Dave Schultz? Oh, the Philly flu? Yeah. I never asked you that. Yeah, I think it was real in some players, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, I got the flu. Can't play. Oh, I got a bad back or my bad arm. Yeah. And I guess because I enjoyed it because of how I played.

You're like a pig in shit. Was I scared going in or no? because they knew I was going to hit. We'd have brawls. The Capitals and the Flyers, we had brawls on there. And I remember there was a picture in the paper and a Philadelphia Spectrum, we had a brawl. And here's me, I believe, I'm grabbing a hold of this one guy

and I'm going like this. And you know who I was trying to hit? It was Bob Daly. He won 6-6. God rest his soul. So you had been giving up almost a fourth. I was going to say Ben Wilson or somebody like that. He passed away not too long ago.

Great man. But it was like, okay, wait a minute here, yeah. It's fine. David Goliath, you know what I'm trying. And Mike's going up here, and he's looking down about two feet. What are you doing? You're like, you know, trying to hit me. But that's the way it was.

I mean, and you say the Philly flu. I believe, yes, it was. There were some players that just couldn't go in there and compete because of how they were. And they were just a team. They were a real strong family together. All those guys are – and even now, today, they're close, still close. There was just a bond there.

There was just a bonding there with Freddie Shero and all that. They're just a bond. It was great, yeah. And I have to ask this as a Leaf fan. You grew up in Toronto. Right. Rexdale. You grew up watching the Leafs.

Rexdale boy. You saw the Leafs win the Cup. Right. You saw that amazing run they had in the 60s. Do you remember what it was like coming the first time and playing in Maple Leaf Gardens? I grew up, when I played youth hockey with Marley, Smarter Bantam, Bantam, and then Junior B Waxers and all that,

we practiced at Maple Leaf Gardens. Unbelievable. So we got to see the pros when I was growing up, and that's how I used to, when Chicago would sit behind the glass and that and there and watch Bobby, I'd take a slap shot, And that's who I liked and all that. But it was just to come in. My first game was in Toronto, and the goalie was Wayne Thomas.

And my mom and dad there and my brothers and sisters and my friends and all that were there, and I scored my first goal in the NHL in Maple Leaf Gardens. So it was pretty special. Yeah, it was pretty special. It's not just a new phenomenon. Everyone hits their first goal. But, you know, everybody that comes in, a lot of people don't know,

everybody that comes in Toronto, and I've always said this, I believe, I'm not knocking the players on the team today, but I like where they're going. I think they're a great young team right now. They're fast. They're talented. Of course, every team needs certain things, and the same with Toronto Maple Leafs.

But if they bring their team, I've said this to many, put their team, 75% of Ontario-born players, they'll start winning the Stanley Cup. Why? Wait. If you count the visiting teams that come into play, who's first, second, or third star? An Ontario-born player playing on the other team.

Want to put on a show? They put on a show when they come in. People are going to roll their eyes, but I mean, it's great. Greg's just been saying that for years. When they build this team around Ontario-born players, and I like where they're going now. I've always cheered for Maple Leafs. I tried to get traded, and Lou Nanny wouldn't do that

because it was the same division, Norris division. He said, no way I'm trading at Toronto. I said, well, that's where I'm from. I want to play my last few years at Toronto. Yeah, you and everybody else. Yeah, exactly, and it never happened. But I've always cheered him on, and even when I was playing in the pro as a kid

and all that kind of stuff, and so, and I still cheer him on. I cheer for Capitals, of course, but I have to, and Dallas Stars, but I'm a real strong Maple Leaf fan and always will be. Who in the NHL today reminds you of you? in the NHL today? Oh, that's good.

I haven't even thought about that. Who punches eight inches up? Well, no, I would say any of the players that are tough and gritty, that are small. I mean, I think Johnny Gugio plays, but he's not chippy like I was, but because it's more wide open today, you're not going to get the chippiness smaller player. but I kind of like

I like he is the little domey boy you know and plays kind of a chippy but he can't do it because he may end up in a penalty box all the time but if he could do it

you're going to find even better player because he had he did that junior get more space and everything so I think you'll find different so I would look at guys like the smaller players

in the game today that have speed and finesse that's kind of what I was a playmaker a lot of people talk about my goals I mean I was

I really I set up many many goals I was a playmaker I had almost 600 assists set up the angle the other day you could have finished

a couple off you know so I look at I look at things like that I mean playmaking was a big getting assists is just as important

you got an assist on my goal the other day at the Easter Seals that's right top shelf how was Ken's because you know

making the pass is one thing receiving the pass is the other right it's the cradle how's Ken on that stone hands Ken's got good hands There's no doubt about it. Feet are a little slow.

Well, you know, you haven't skated that much, so, I mean, that's got to work on the skating a little bit. But, you know, he's good with the puck. You know, he played defense a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit of defense and forward. I think he's probably better on defense. I would disagree, but that's okay.

But we have to teach him. Ken Ovechkin-Reed is better on defense? Well, he kind of stood around there, but we have to teach him how to skate backwards a little bit. That would help. Fair. But I think the hands are still there, and he scored a goal, so it was fun. The hands never leave you.

The hands never leave you. No, they're always there, yeah. He didn't spend as much time on the bench as I did, but there were a bunch of times where our team struggled a little bit. We sucked. We sucked. We sucked. But guys would get back to the bench, and they'd be like,

Dennis gave me a look. Dennis gave me the glare. You'd set them up perfectly, and they'd completely whiff on it, or they'd set it at your feet. All name names. Mike Freeman gets the puck right in front of our bench. And I just go, Marouk, Marouk, Marouk, Marouk. Dennis is so wide open for a breakaway pass.

So he carries it from our blue line to the other blue line. Then he looks. Dennis had to stop on the other team's blue line. Then he makes the pass. Get the man in motion. Let's go. I think I was a little too far ahead at the times. No, it was a challenge for you all.

I mean, because the teams that we played against were good players. We're a bunch of shiny try-hards. Let's just say that. You're trying way too hard for a charity tournament. No, it's just hard for you all because there are teams and other teams that are like that, that there's players that raise a lot of money and they want to play the game.

They don't play a lot. So really, if I was that type of person, I'd be frustrated out there playing because what can I do? I can't do too much compared to these guys skating around me all the time and it's not really fun so you know

organizers should maybe look at you know talent for talent what you know the organizers of each team saying well

I've got a staff team I've got a level level A team we should play against we have a level D well I kept waiting for the call and I never got it

so we're level D next year we need to we need to bring a good squad I'm a good first pass defenseman so I mean it would be

did you play D? I played D oh my god Adam's coming next year I think you're on the team first round pick I think he's a

first rounder absolutely absolutely Dennis this is going to come across as the dumbest question you've

probably ever asked this man did 20 hours of interviews with me no dumb question no that's negative

it's positive did you keep all your jerseys no you didn't I had a few of them like the seals

the barons do you have any of those one of the barons is in the hockey hall of fame oh cool it's in there

it's kind of neat So it's preserved in the right place. That's cool. Yes, it is. And my 50-goal stick and my 60-goal stick are also there. The jerseys that I had, I'm not a guy that keeps a lot of things. I never was. I don't know, guys.

Some guys weren't. I just did my thing. And jerseys, I gave two away to charity. I think I asked my son if he wanted one, and he said, no, Dad, I got enough stuff. So I donated that one. I sold one. And then, no, I don't have any jersey that I wore. My son's got sticks of Gretzky, Bossy, Lemieux,

every one you can think of. He's got about $500,000 worth of sticks. Wow. Famous hockey sticks. Yeah, in a bag. It's unbelievable. And baseball bats and gloves. I did it all for him.

I did it when he was young. I don't need those things. my thing is what I did and I'm proud of that that I made it to the NHL

where a lot of kids have that dream and don't get that their chance and I got my chance and made it I would just like to see an original

California Golden Seals yeah I love that old Caps jersey too I think that's really underrated with the stars whatever happened to the All-Star jersey

from 82 now that was a disco funky kind of jersey I do have I do have an All-Star jersey oh you do I do have the All-Star jersey yeah

you're an NHL All-Star number 20 I was number 20, as a matter of fact. Well, tell the all-star story, Dennis. That's the one with the stars? The stars and all that, yeah. Oh, that's cool. What's that?

The 1982 All-Star Game is in Landover, Maryland, home of the Capitals. The last man introduced is this man right here. Comes out on the ice. It's on YouTube. Standing O. And that's kind of what the book was all about. You go to lunch with President Reagan. You're the king of the 1982 All-Star Game.

And then you're a deckhand in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. These are stories. These are stories that do not happen to everybody. There's some bad ones, too. Yeah, toast to the town. Might not have kept a lot of stuff, but you got a lot of stories. Kept our jersey from the other day, though, right? Do you need it back?

No, no, it's yours to keep. I'm framing that. You got to frame that. I'm going to be like, I had three face-off wins, one clean to you. Yeah, that's right. Didn't get hurt. Didn't get hurt. That's my most important thing that I've done.

I almost wrecked myself on the bench. You're talking to an idiot who wears a Gretzky joe foot. That was a good one. Yeah, that one. You missed the bench. I missed the bench. The bench can move fast, though. You did fall down.

Almost. You did fall down. He was flat down on the back by the bench. Did you jump the boards at any point, Daniel? For a shift change, did you jump the boards at any point? Oh, my God, no. We're going to do that next year. Yeah, we'll jump the boards.

That'll be good. I wanted to give it a shot, Yeah, but I also didn't want to slice anyone's neck or be responsible for any stupidness. There was a guy, and you might remember this, Dennis, Mark Lofthouse. Mark Lofthouse, I played in the Capitals. He was a big sniper in Hershey. Were you playing the night in Vancouver? He got a hattie, but one of the guys jumped the boards and he had his gloves off.

Guy put his skates through his fingers in Vancouver, and Lofthouse is from Vancouver. Blood everywhere. He's semi-blacked out. This is in Hockey Card Stories 1. There you go. They go up. They stitch him up. he goes out

and snipes the hat trick for a start no he didn't and a week later they sent him back to Hershey yeah oh my god yeah

wow yeah he was up and down good man yeah he was a good man he was a good player yeah I guess a little bit

but that happens oh my god that happened a lot of times during that time when Hershey got with Caps we went through a lot of different players it was like

it was a little circle it was tough but they saved his fingers and he got a hat trick wow I was going to say what's the worst injury you ever got

but I'm going to bet nothing beat open heart surgery yeah I would say No, I shattered my kneecap. That sounds pretty bad. I had a meet-and-greet MCL done in my early career, 78, I believe it was. And then in 88, I was playing for the North Stars.

Herb Brooks was our coach. And I slid out the block a slap shot. My shin pad moved. Shin pad moved. Were they even plastic at this point, or were they still leather? A little bit of plastic. I think you're right. I think you're right.

I think they were leather on the knee part. But it rolled like the puck. Grant Lyddiard shot the puck. And he was playing for Washington, too. And I slid out. I was at the top of the circle. And if you got the puck up higher, it would have been fine. I had no problem.

But boom, when I got hit, and at the Met Center, it's lower, so you walk up stairs to go to the dressing room and all that on the main level. And that's what happened. I went up to the dressing room. They opened up my shin pad, looked at it, put some ice on it, and it looked a little swollen. Doctors looked at it, and I went down, put my equipment on, and go back down to the steps to go to the rink.

Well, I put my right foot down, and I put my left foot on the step, and I just fell right down, right to the hospital. And they opened up, and it was all shattered. Put it all back together, pinned and wired it. It took about six months. Then they tried to take the pins and wires out, go back playing, and I just wasn't comfortable with it. That's when I retired.

Can I give you guys a quote from the book? Please do, yeah. Brian Bellows, chapter 44, ouch. This is about when Dennis blocked the shot. This is Bellows. I remember him blocking the shot. We were all like, what the is he doing? Guys just didn't do that back then.

And they didn't. There was one or two guys on the team that would block a shot. Craig Ludwig and his giant shin pads would for Montreal. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what, like Herb Brooks says, you know, they're a good guy, a goal scorer. Blocking slaps, blocking a shot, killing a penalty. What do you mean?

What's he doing? I can't believe you even tried to block a shot with those. like you said leather the puck hit me like we joked blocking a shot like I didn't even mean

to block the thing it just happened to hit me but with today's equipment you're Robocop and that's one of the problems with today's games is you are Robocop you're too indestructible

you are too indestructible if you're not afraid of hurting yourself then you're definitely not afraid of hurting anybody else and I know we keep

like I know we're running out of time here but I have to ask we got all the time in the world Herb Brooks yes you played for him

We all know the 1980 speech that he gave. Was he that inspirational all the time? I believe he was. I think it was more towards young players. When he became a coach in the NHL, it was a little different. A little different. You're talking with man on man. You're not talking man with boys.

Young men. So I think his success was totally different. And I'm sure that any young player that was involved with that would say that was unbelievable. the whole Miracle on Ice the whole thing and I was watching on TV as well and it was just great. It changed the way hockey is

today. There was not a lot of conditioning before that in the NHL there wasn't and I think it changed the whole outlook of the United States hockey. Their strength and everything how they became

and as well as the Canadian players and how important it is to be strong, to work out, get ready for camp and do that throughout the season. And that's where it really changed. And he got them working that strong and powerful and working out and things like that. And that was a big part of how they could compete against the best Russians. And I believe that's why they won.

That was something we talked about at the draft party. I'm trying to sound all smart, and I'm like, Like, you know, my friend and I looked at some statistics, and in 1985 is when goalies stopped sucking, and that's really when the game changed. And he's like, well, I think it's when hockey players became athletes after we were called on ice. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know, you heard about that smoking in the dressing room and all that kind of stuff. Oh, my God. Mario Lemieux between shifts or whatever. Everybody. I mean, our coach would come in after the first period, and he'd try to say something to the team. Now, there's only maybe five or six of us in there.

Where's the rest of them? They're in the bathroom in the other room smoking. Unbelievable. Oh, guys that smoke, yeah. Wow. I think it was true, if I remember the story, but Big Al. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Maple Leaf Gardens.

Yeah. I think it was Brophy was coaching him, and he wasn't playing well, and he sent him to the end of the bench where they have the seats right beside the bench, the spectators, and it was open, and he sat on it. He told his trainer to go get him a cigarette, and he lit it up, I believe, right there on the bench. He used to light his smokes with his blowtorch

for Curving Sticks. He doesn't smoke anymore. No, no. Can I just bring it back? There you go. This is Dennis being modest again. So he mentioned he played for Herb Brooks,

but this is Dennis being modest again. And this was kind of like doing our interviews. So he'd say, yeah, Herb was great. But I'd say, tell me more about Herb. You're basically talking to a guy

who was the de facto assistant coach for Herb when he was injured after he blocked that shot. So Herb kind of says to Dennis, you can take it over. Well, yeah, I kind of like, because you're at the games and that, so you're pretty

much, so I would go in before the game and it's probably about, he'd come in at 5 o'clock and I'd get in at about 5.15 and we'd talk and he'd ask me to look at different things for the game, help him out, look at the other team or in between periods, come down and tell me

and all that. So I'm sitting there and all of a sudden I go, I looked at him and I go, what's the matter? He goes, well, I'm just waiting for a phone call. I said, what kind of phone call? I'm waiting for Lou Nanny to call me to tell me who's playing. I go, what do you mean who's playing? You're the coach.

Yeah, I know, but Lou Nanny's the general manager. He's the one that is going to tell me who I'm going to play, and that's exactly what happened. Yeah. Whoa. Certain guys, you know. If you weren't playing while during the game, guess what? You weren't playing.

because Lou Nanny's going down now. So they had a hard time working together. I would imagine. That was the success of Minnesota hockey. Lou Nanny was involved. Herb Brooks was involved. A few other gentlemen were involved. And Mariucci, John Mariucci was famous.

And they always said, can these two guys work together? Answer was no. And the answer's no, exactly. I was involved with that and all that. but that's just how he operated there's nothing wrong with that it's just how he operated his team there maybe other teams do it too

but that's the way he did it is that right or wrong? who knows it was what it was and you played with Dino Ciccarelli as well yeah I certainly did another guy one of those unsung guys

undrafted and signed as a free agent and became one of the best goal scorers in the entire league one of those guys in the conversation of best to never win the cup. He did probably have the best black book too. Black book?

Yeah. I think I know where you're going with that. We're playing with Dino at Paul Coffey's Easter Seals tournament this weekend too. And that's in Kingston, right?

Paul's tournament's in Vaughn. It's in Vaughn. Okay, because I know Paul's going to be up there in Kingston for Hometown Hockey on Sunday. Yeah, so there's more than one of these tournaments.

Where are the next ones and if any of the locals want to play, where can they play? Well, after this one, the next one's in Oakville. Brad Mays. Brad Mays, yeah.

Brad Mays, and that's 16th, 17th. Just Google Easter Seals Charity Hockey. My birthday, November 17th. I'll be playing. I'll be on the ice. Yep. There you go. The next one after that is in Kitchener, Cambridge.

I think so, yeah. Ricky Vives. Ricky Vives, yeah. Yeah, 21st, 22nd. Yeah, just Google Easter Seals Charity Hockey. You can sign up or you can donate. Money goes to kids with physical disabilities. Who doesn't want to help kids with physical disabilities?

So Dennis spends a lot of time playing in those tournaments. I do the odd MC gig for them. it's a lot of fun I mean for these guys they get to see their old teammates right and tell some war stories and to give you an idea of like the charity that you guys are helping out yeah you're connected to it

my family went to Easter Seals camp when I was younger my sister has physical disabilities as well as some other things and when we went to Easter Seals camp like it was a rare opportunity to do things outside of our own house as a family

just like any other family It was an extremely rare thing, but it was so fun, and they really made all the kids feel included. They made the siblings of the kids feel included, which is what I got. And they showed the parents a good time. They had like a casino night and stuff like that. It was great. So you're helping out that sort of thing as well as much more.

That's great. It's a good time. And you get to humiliate yourself around NHL guys who can actually play the game. I just go out there and I'm like, I don't belong here. But it's a lot of fun. He didn't give me any looks. I got a wink. I'm doing a charity event in Houston, Texas, December 2nd for Hurricane Harvey.

Amazing. Raise some money, yeah. We're doing a hockey game there. Yeah, it's funny. There you go. We got some Texas listeners. I'm sure they'll come out. Yeah, so it'll be good.

And then I've got November 10th, I'm at the Expo coming up. Yeah, we're at the Sports Card Expo. Friday at 5 to 6.30. At the International Center Sports Card Expo. That's right. I mean, all my geeky hockey card buddies go, so Dennis and I will be signing books there. How much money will you be out at the end of that day?

You know, my wife is a frequent listener of your podcast. Is she actually? I'm sorry. No, but that's the only question I'm going to decline to answer today. Also, I've got November 25th, I have a launch. Oh, November 25th. And at the bottom line, from 4.30 to 7.30, the Caps are in town. Caps are playing in the Leafs,

So we want to have all those capital fans that live in Toronto to come down to the bottom line between 4.30 and 7.30. So I can buy a book, get an autograph, I'll be there. That's right. As well as Leaf fans can come too. And hopefully Ovechkin doesn't score like he always does against the Maple Leafs. He scores against a lot of teams. Well, he does, but it seems like the Leafs are his team.

No, no, no. Nathan Walker, hat trick, overtime, Sasky Stewart-Cruz. The guy can score anywhere, yeah. Yeah, he's just a great, great scorer. Strong man, yes. When he scored 65, did he break your record? Yes, he did. Son of a gun?

Yeah, okay, yeah, thank you. But he won't, he's already told me he's not going to touch the other record. There's no way he's going to, I get the total points. Right, 122? No, 136. Yes, and he said, no one's going to touch your 76 assists. He says, you're going to have that record, that's yours. That's nice.

So that was kind of nice, yeah, and I did follow. The year he did beat me, I think I had the record for 20-plus years, whatever, for most goals. And they were going game by game with me, and we were identical. How many goals we had, like 55. It was like identical games and all that. And, of course, I was skiing. I was living in Aspen, and they called me and said,

would you be interested in talking? or if he breaks the record. And I thought they'd bring me down. I thought they'd say, come on down. Well, there's another unforget. There's another unforget. Well, who's Dennis Merrick coming down to honor? Well, what did I do before, you know, before he get the 65, you know?

So I didn't have, you know, I didn't get him. I got a phone call. Oh, geez. Thanks. What do you think of Ovechkin tying your record? Well, I've been following him for the last month. Of course, I think it's great. I'm cheering him on.

Thanks for asking. Yeah, I'm cheering him on. And then when they call me the next day and an article, I says, yeah, that's great. And then over the years, I say, well, everybody's asking me, didn't they invite you down? Didn't they give you some kind of help with the recognition of the two guys, the old and the new or something like that.

And I says, yeah, right. So I never did. So it's kind of like a lot of things that goes along with the book about, you know, the recognition. I mean, am I pissed at it? No. Am I going to, you know, do something about it? No.

If it ever happens, great. You better not be pissed. I'm more, you know, I did my thing. You know, if I get recognized for a certain thing, it would be great. Like Ken, we talked about my dad, who's 93 years old. And he's, I hate to say it, he's all skin and bones right now. But the brain's still there. And it's just like any time.

And so that's kind of the recognition. If I get recognized for something, it's to my parents for what they did for me all along. And that's what I've tried to do. I know I talked about a banner in London. London Knights haven't retired Dennis's number. He's one of the top, what? Three scores of all time. Corey Perry broke your record?

Yeah, well, he did in four years. Yeah, and Dennis had three. And he still hasn't retired his numbers. Let's read these stats out, Adam. Okay, so first year, you're, this is after the, you played the Marlboros, you played eight games before, so you must have been like 15 then. Yeah, exactly.

So you're 16 years old, 59 games, 46 goals, 67 assists, that's 113 points. Next year, 69 games, that's 47 goals, 65, 112 points. Get this. And then, last season, and this is the crazy one, 65 games, 66 goals, 79 assists for 145 points, and 53 penalty minutes to Boone. That is... Not bad.

For a guy who's too small. 350 points in, or 360-something points in three years? Yeah. You know how many London Knights fans I've had come up to me when they heard I was writing this book or wrote this book, and they go, why isn't Dennis's number retired in London? Why is it? Don't all get to ask. That's one of my relatives.

they've asked the Knights the paper in London did a story and it's just the way it is so far what I've heard is their possibility of doing a renovation there, $11 million renovation at the, whatever gardens they call it

Budweiser and they're doing a hockey all fame kind of section I don't believe that's where I'm going to be going in, that's the last I heard but I don't, they call me great but as I said it's for my It's for my parents, and my dad, who's not doing really well. So, yeah.

Rodney Dangerfield of hockey. You get no respect. No respect. You want to give him some respect. No, I respect it. There's no no respect. It's just certain things in your life you want to say, well, geez, you know, I really did do that,

and people did see that, and people did honor me. So, yeah. If you want to find out more, you can buy Dennis Marouk, The Unforgettable Story of Hockey's Forgotten 60-Goal Man. Yeah. It's on Amazon. It's on Amazon. I've got to give you guys credit.

When I came on to talk about One Night Only last year, the Dangle Navy, as they are known, is that correct? On Amazon, they ran out of my books because so many of your listeners bought One Night Only. That's crazy. Buy the books. Do it again for this book. I'd be honored.

It's a great read. It is. It's good. It's fun. I'm not embarrassed. I tried to commit suicide. There's no doubt about it. I came five feet from going in the cliff of the Grand Canyon in Utah.

So, you know, there's just all those things that happen. And, yeah, there's great reading there. There's great stories off the ice. There's stories in there about famous people I've met, you know, broken marriages, meeting a new girlfriend and enjoying life again. And my daughter's becoming my best friend who can kind of really control my life to be a better person. in life and to respect the people

that love you and it is a really easy read so buy the book enjoy it and I think you will

and there's Hall & Oates in there yeah Golihan Hall & Oates all those famous people

Neil Young gentlemen it was an absolute pleasure having you on you guys are the best for having us on I love the format

you're just talking hockey thank you I'm glad we sold lots of copies of your book last time you're the reason I got a book deal right

oh yeah you're an author to be that's right did you hear Steve's writing a book yeah I did I'm writing a book yeah I've heard that

on the podcast he's writing a book so yeah there you go I'm excited for that so spend money on Dennis' book and then save

is it difficult it's yeah it's pretty hard yeah it's um well it's funny it's like how you were saying it's easier to write stories

that you were there for yes it's what I'm really struggling with is when I was a kid because you know you go

oh I remember this but you don't remember like key details you know it's a little fuzzy when you're seven you gotta dig in the mine right

for all those details so like I'm having to interview people about me and be like what do you remember how great was I yeah what was it like

to be with the legend great or the greatest what would you rate me you gotta feel that way yeah it's hard but I'm about a third of the way done

good for you when's the due date? April it's like a baby right? when's your due date? deadline well it's supposed to be April

I'll tell you what you're going to get more work done in March than any other month oh I know I can tell you that with the lead up to the playoffs too

that's going to be fun oh my god I got so much done in the summer and since the season began screeching all the time I'm so happy to say I'm not writing a book

this winter it must be a nice break yeah it is yeah it's a lot of work but it's they say the two best days are the day you sign the book deal

and the day the book comes out and I can say that's probably true but of course they didn't add in doing the Steve Dangle podcast you just know he's going to come back in two months I'm writing two books right now Dennis Marouk part two

The Fall of Rome Hockey Card Stories part four after Open Heart I got a book called Three Nights Only Three Nights Only you should do that that's my honeymoon And he's having

two more kids. That's right. I forgot the kids. I've got the kids in there too. The book is The Unforgettable Story of Hockey's Forgotten

60-Goal Man. Dennis Baruch, you can pick it up on Amazon. Or any lovely place where you can buy books. That's right. Bookstores.

Bookstores. They're all in there. Or iTunes, correct? Yeah, it's on iTunes as well. Buy the hard copy. Be old school, kids. Hard copy's good, yeah. Sorry, say hard copy again.

Hard copy. Did I say hard copy? Hard copy. Did I say it Merritt's Farmer wife? Yeah, a little bit. Have I been drinking? My dog just comes out with a drink.

It's the double A, the hard coffee. My hard coffee on burp. My hard coffee. Give me the hard coffee of it, bud. I'm falling for it. I'm a pack of dirt. Break off. Give me the hard coffee.

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