The Steve Dangle Podcast - Duck, Duck, Gusev | July 29, 2019

Episode Date: July 29, 2019

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, happy #MeatlessMonday! (00:00), Steve was on the radio today discussing Marcus Stroman and the Devils acquire and sign Nikita Gusev (02:30), JAMES REIMER READ STEVE'S BOOK! (20:00), the Leafs signed 7 players (29:00), Sparks is cancelled and the Leafs backup goalie situation (41:00), do we trust Babcock? (1:04:00), and press conference trivia!! (1:21:00). Originally aired: July 29, 2019 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/YyHZom0Njrk Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.C.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast With your hosts Steve Dangle And Adam Wilde So Jesse, I gotta ask You're having the spicy calabrasi pizza

I just chewed the last bite The beyond spicy calabrasi pizza Because it's hashtag meatless Monday with Panago Pizza And you're having the beyond meat And what is What do you think? It's really good Like, you can't tell the difference.

It's kind of ridiculous. Like, who did this? Like, what sorcery is this? Yeah! I don't think we thought the technology would be this far ahead this quickly, right? Like, you'd think, oh, you can tell and whatever, but you can't at all. No. And I'm a little scared because it's really good.

It's okay. Because it's taking you out of your comfort zone to find a new comfort zone with Panago Pizza. I'm not eating one right now because I've already had four. Really? Yeah, I have four. No kidding. They're really good. Jesse wasn't here yet, and I was like, how many can I eat before I'm a bad friend?

And I think four was the max. And now that you're here, I can have five. I don't know if four is the max. Four is the max? Well, we had two pizzas, so I think he'd have been fine. Jesse, you don't care, do you? No, I don't care at all. See, I don't think Jesse would have thought about that.

Shivering mad. It's nice that Steve thought about it, but I don't think Jesse was thinking the same stuff. I don't think he was thinking. No. Adam, this is a constant thought. How much can I eat of this thing before I'm a bad person to live with? Or a bad friend. Something along those lines.

Boy, sounds like you get really tied up, eh? Oh, I know. I spend... What is it? I was on the radio with Scott McArthur today. He said, I can spend a month in my brain in one hour. Wow. And I was like, that's me.

Damn. That's me, man. I like that. Man, Scotty. He's just dropping all the knowledge lately. He's so good. So today... Hang on.

I just need to wrap this thing up. So basically, we do this every week. Meatless Mondays. If you want to go a little lighter If you want to go a little more summery If you're just somebody that doesn't eat meat Flat out, lots of people out there They got vegan cheese too

Yeah, I had the one with vegan cheese, it's good One of them does, one of them doesn't Really, really good So if you want to, they also have For everybody that's celiac, they've got a crust for you as well So like, basically Panda goes They just want you to buy their damn pizza And to enjoy it

They're trying to make it as easy as possible for you to enjoy delicious pizza Why not oblige them sometime today? Or this week Why not? Panago.com. Stuff your face with deliciousness. Why not? Why not?

Why not? So you were on the radio today for three hours. For three hours. And you discussed wall-to-wall. Well, so yesterday, Sogard, don't even remember his first name. Eric Sogard. Eric Sogard. I can't even...

By the way, I know his name, but I can't say I've seen an at-bat. I'm pretty sure he's a triple-A. I have. And I know he did really well. I know all sorts of details about him. I just forgot his first name in the moment. So anyway, I know he was traded for two players to be named later. And then Marcus Stroman was traded.

And that's a big deal. Huge. And nothing happened in basketball and nothing happened in hockey. So that was it. And it was Scott MacArthur. You know, very good host. And baseball is his number one. Good for him because his two co-hosts were myself and Justin Bourne.

Whoa. And we did okay. We faked it till we made it And Scott did a lot of talking Randall Gritchick Yes I know that person For sure

Three months younger than Marcus Stroman And he's signed for a bunch of time He was re-signed Fifty million dollar deal Just before the season To a three year Five year Five year

Five year fifty million I think Five year fifty million deal Which is In baseball terms ten million isn't that much So, if Gritchick is a part of the rebuild, and yet he is three months younger than Marcus Stroman, and Stroman, for some reason, is too old to be a part of the rebuild, what's going on there? Oh, I don't think it was that. I think they flat out don't like Marcus Stroman.

Would you say that we've just outgrown Marcus Stroman and are tired of him? Yes, that is 100%. I also think it's offensive that you use the word outgrown, considering that Marcus Stroman's height does not measure heart. Leave it to a six-foot-five guy to criticize Marcus Stroman, you actual piece of garbage. You're right. I was attacking Marcus Stroman's height, and I thought that his height measures his heart. Wow. You're wrong.

I don't know. We need to get you a t-shirt to show you that you're wrong. It does not? Does not. Is that what you are saying? Does not. Evidently, height doesn't measure tact. That's true.

With one Jesse Blake. That's true. Yeah, so we talked about Marcus Stroman for three hours. Do you know, the funny thing with baseball is that when prospects get traded, it's always like, well, here's a star player that went to the other team for number four and number six in their pipeline. If that happened in the NHL, because number four and number six in the pipeline are probably not making the NHL in the NHL.

You know what I mean? Yeah, typically. Most teams are like, yeah, your top five maybe have a shot. Baseball is over 30 rounds in the draft. Baseball is just about numbers. It's absurd. Get as many as you can. Just cabal and do a bunch of shit at the ball.

You have like four teams to fill or something like that. It's insane. Oh, it's a crazy sport. And I just thought it was very interesting because now we're seeing, apparently, Nikita Gusev will get, has permission to talk to New Jersey, or at least he did this weekend. It looks like there could be a deal coming soon, as soon as, I guess the way this would work would be the Golden Knights and Devils

reach an agreement on what the compensation would be, and then the Devils have to say, okay, can we talk to Nikita Gusev just to make sure we can get him under contract? I think it works a little bit more loosely than that. Typically it's, the Devils I can't imagine are going to

agree to the trade if they don't have a number figured out. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it won't be... That's when they get permission. It's like, okay, once the Golden Knights are like, yeah, we'll get what we want out of you. Now you can talk to our guy. Realistically it's the devil's going to Vegas. Hey, what do you do this? Like, I don't

think it's a permission to talk thing. What? I think we're on the same page here. I think maybe we are. I think you guys have the exact same thing at each other. See, you're good at getting up early and talking throughout the day. I fade. I fade. You guys are only getting the best. I think we're agreeing.

I think we are too. It's interesting that because Nikita Gusev is really good, right? Yes. We haven't seen him on North American ice, but yeah, real good. According to Scott Wheeler, Nikita Gusev owns three of the 37 highest scoring seasons in the history of the KHL. He just broke Alexander Radulov's record for most assists in a season. And he's a defender.

Wow. A right-handed defender. And Radulov, a really good KHL player. Why is it that the Devils can get P.K. Subban and Nikita Gusev for a second or third round pick and whatever they gave up? Who cares what they gave up for P.K.? And the Leafs couldn't pick up Nikita Gusev for the same. you could say that for so many guys gusev is supposedly this highly sought after guy and he cost well by the sounds of the rumor deal barely more than colin miller even yeah there's another

guy who it's like why why did that couldn't what is they go out and get them dude they can't afford it they can't afford them and what you're seeing right now unless the leafs have another move up their sleeve and the clerks and friggin it's so complicated i still don't fully understand it and i made a 25 minute video about it but uh that's a tv show it is literally more than a half hour of television yeah because half hour television is 22 minutes yeah with commercials it's ridiculous yeah i did i did three minutes longer than an episode of south park how well did uh that video do it's done really well it's already like top 10 for um view time because it's half an hour long Yeah.

The damn thing. And this was on your channel, right? On SportsNet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was on mine. And, uh, no, SportsNet is like, no, we're, like, a good channel. You can't do half-hour videos for us. Here are our dang-its.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, shut up. Our dang-its are good. I like dang-its. Did a really long one once. But, um, where was I going with that? You don't understand the Clarkson thing. If you look at the Leafs cap situation, it's almost like they're basically saying to Marner,

Oh, there it is. I mentioned his name. What time is it? I don't want to talk about it anymore. There's nothing to discuss. The nine minutes we got. Yeah. But basically, I'd say that's pretty good.

Nine and Marner in the same sentence sounds wonderful. Oh, here it is. 11 nights have acquired a 20-20 third and a 20-21 second. So two years from now, can the Devils in exchange for Nikita Gusev? And by the way, they said Gusev's a forward. Is he? Yeah, they said he's a forward. Oh.

So maybe he's a forward. Maybe he's going to play forward. Left winger Nikita Gusev. Oh, is there? Maybe there's two Gusevs. I think there's two Gusevs. I got KHL'd. Ah!

Damn it. I think I got screwed from when I covered the KHL. Gusev, according to the Devils, That is a dang it. Spontrous. Gusev will wear 97. Yes. Ah, damn it.

I thought... Oh, that's weird. Okay, so that's less impressive then. Remember, I was like, and he's a defender. And he will make $4.5 million a year each year. So it's a $9 million deal, two years. That is, uh, you know, you know, it's funny, uh, who was the Russian that Vegas signed

in their inaugural season to be their big dude and he didn't even make the team? Oh my God, what was his name? And he made four and a half million dollars. What was his name? I think it was four and a half times two, actually. But he had to, they weren't going to pay him, and I think he mutually terminated and went back to the KHL. Well, because they sent him to the minors.

Yeah. Oh! I know his name. I know his name. I'll tell you how it was like. But this guy was a $4.5 million player. I wonder if he would have been good. He did score in one of the three games they put him in.

He did. He scored an NHL goal. Vatom Shipachoff. Gerard Gallant's got a little bit of the Mike Babcock as in, it doesn't matter how talented you are. If I don't personally like you, you're not playing. And they made the cup final. Wait, I mean, listen, I'm not saying they're wrong.

I'm just saying, like, it doesn't, I wonder, he's probably done with ever trying the NHL again. But that doesn't mean he couldn't play in the NHL and be a good player. It just probably meant that it wasn't not gonna do it like Colin Miller last year Colin Miller is a second-pairing defenseman could not get on the ice or at very least a regular NHL defenseman Yeah, yeah couldn't could not get on the ice if Vadim ship a chop Vegas did not want to be the ones you know what? We've we've done that before. I know we haven't been around the block very many times, but we've already done that yeah

Dynamo Moscow. He had 68 points in 61 games. This is Nikita Yusuf. Oh, I didn't even chip it off. He went to Dynamo Moscow? Yeah, it's not bad. How many he have? Sorry? 68 points, 61 games. Wow. That is Pretty good. It's the KHL is so friggin weird Like yeah, it's sort of hard to get a gauge There's a couple teams where you look at their points per game and you got a sort of grade on a curve a little bit like Dynamo Moscow and And SK St. Petersburg are, like, so head and shoulders.

St. Petersburg in particular, they're so head and shoulders above what they can spend. Remember Ozygenov the season before he became a Leaf? It was like a healthy scratch. Because they had, like, two teams worth of players. Also, he wasn't very good. But, like, you know. And they had Zaitsev. And they had Shipachov.

I desperately want those guys to succeed. But every time, like, you know, you try not to listen to the guys who have all the numbers, right? You're trying like, well, you know, I'll give him a shot. I'll give him a shot. Like Oshiganov. It was like, hey, everybody was really mean to that guy when he came. And I was like, listen, we don't know. We don't.

But they were right. They turned out to be completely right about him. I wonder if they're saying, all the advanced numbers guys are saying Gusev's really good. Really, really good. We'll see. We'll see. But the Devils are, they're clearly of a different mindset than they were previously. Yes.

No kidding. They're not being timid. They're completely going for it. Sounds like they're listening to the people that work for them. Which is a smart thing. Which is a very smart thing. If you pay someone, you should probably... Tyler Deller, excuse me.

If you were thinking of Travis Yost. Yes. If you're paying somebody, you should probably... If you're paying them for their expertise, you should listen to their expertise. Weird, right? And they are doing that. And also remember, they cannot lose Taylor Hall. This is all in a bid.

They're adding, adding. Think of the players they've added So Can you even name the player Who they lost For Subban They lost one player And it was picks otherwise

Steve Santini Wow Exactly They got to hang on to Severson Yeah They got Severson Still They added Subban

They added Wayne Simmons They added Oh yeah Wayne Simmons Uh Uh Gusev now Yep

They're really trying to keep Taylor Hall And I St. Louis St. Louis New Jersey I think is a bit of a team to watch Not just because of their additions, but

You know how Actually two years ago I sort of said this for the Islanders, but it was different Because they lost to Ferris But you looked at the Islanders' goaltending from two years ago And you go, okay, I think They're going to do better next year Just because they couldn't possibly do worse

Yes Like in terms of goaltending anyway, because they scored goals They didn't have any problem scoring goals It was the goaltending Yeah, they got lit up, and then all of a sudden they get the best goaltending in the NHL, and would you look at that, they're in the playoffs. The Devils, I don't know if they're a top-half goaltending team, but they could not possibly... No, they're not even close.

No. They're still pretty bad. But they couldn't be worse than last year. Have you looked at Cory Schneider's numbers? They're terrible. And they lost Kincaid, who was also terrible. Does Cory Schneider ever suit up again? Yeah.

Cuz he's got his hip injuries bad. Well, there was there was a game That and I know this because it was a dang it recently. I want to say the Ducks. It's like a fifth dang It's right. I know Steve new videos. Yeah, have you guys subscribed to one of my channels? We flex but okay, there was a game. I want to say the Devils lost 6-5 in overtime and And three of the six, no, it was in the shootout, three of the six goals Mm-hmm Against, oh sorry, three of the five goals against Schneider were scored on him by his own team

Like the Devils scored on themselves That's rough. At least twice as much as the next closest team. Right. Like they just, they weren't good But they also had terrible luck. So hopefully some of that turns around They get a little bit better goaltending, and they also had some pretty strong additions I know that's a lot that needs to go right for you I'm not saying they're guaranteed to make the playoffs But I just I can't picture them having a worse season last year a lot of interesting Is the number one goalie going into the season right that's either him or Mackenzie Blackwood?

Yeah, that's not it. That's who had a decent season for 21 games. He was like a 918 There I would bet on New Jersey To be the team ready to scoop a goalie Off of Waivers at the beginning of the year Really? Oh yeah Yeah they're the next McElhinney pickup basically

Yeah but dude That's a tough tandem Yeah sure But you're giving 6 million dollars to Corey Snyder So you can't be allocating more money to that position Yeah and they're not exactly a Bury all that money in the minors sort of thing. So that's tough, but

they're making themselves interesting for sure. Like, if you're a casual Devils fan... Oh, I mean, listen, if you were to rank off-seasons right now, if the Devils got a below league average goaltender... Which they have. Yeah, they have too.

No, just below. Like, I'm talking like 15 to 20 in the goalie rankings chart. They have... Has anyone had a better off-season? No, I don't think so. Not even close. It's not even close. I'm interested to see what Colorado does. They haven't done anything except for the Nazem Qadri trade, which was a good trade.

That was a good trade for them. No, they added Burakovsky. They added... You cannot compare that. They lost Varlamov. I know. You know what it is? It's not that they had a great offseason.

It's that I just think they'll be a really good team going forward. They still have guys to re-sign. Colorado's such a strange team. because I think the Leafs won the Barry trade. I do. You think they won it? The Leafs won it, yeah. Really?

The Leafs won the Barry trade, I think. That's interesting because that was not your perspective three weeks ago when we were at Oak Lane. You were like in anxious hell at that point. I was anxious because it wasn't the trade. It's weird. I think the Leafs won that trade, but I think Colorado got better overall,

and the Leafs, I wasn't totally sold. The Leafs, I think, are going to sell me in training camp I think It's just, I look at their bottom pair And I've had enough people Basically Talk to me about Ben Harper That I'm convinced that won't

Happen, there's no way Sanity has to prevail There's no way Well, here's what you do If Mike Babcock goes, Harper's the guy Harper's the guy You put him on a waiver, see you later Dubas has got to start doing that

Well, wasn't it Myrtle who made the suggestion? He's like, well, Marincin's played a lot of right D. Like, maybe they'll put him instead of Hall. I'm like, stop! Stop the madness! It sounds ridiculous. But if the Leafs, I'm going to hate myself for making this tweet, for saying this. I don't hate Marincin on the third pair if he plays 10 minutes.

So what's the point? I just, I don't think a third pairing defenseman is the make or break of a Stanley Cup or even the second round. No, you're right You're right You're right They throw Timo Thiemann And play on the fucking Blackhawks That's not what we need to worry about

With the Leafs And that's the sort of thing You can fix at the deadline For like a third round pick Yeah Let's ease off of that Also We forgot

The New Jersey Devils Biggest signing of the offseason Jack Hughes Double C Connor Carrick Oh They re-signed him And his big ass legs

Right And his coffee shop This is some juicy legs His coffee shop His thick framed glasses His adorable dog Right And them cakes

Gonna leave them Right to the playoffs That's his next Business venture Connor's cakes Connor Carrot's coffee And Connor Carrot's cakes Can he make

Carrot cakes Can you say that What about his coffee cakes How many C's Is that Coffee carrot Connor Carrot's coffee cakes Coffee

Carrot Connor cake Big butt He wants to We should see if we can get Connor Carrick on the podcast I bet we could Well now that he doesn't play for the Leafs You guys can do the Spider-Man meme

Put on your glasses Yeah except Yeah that meme except one of the Spider-Mans is fat Hey listen I'm sure we can get Evan Huber To do us a little graphic I'm working on it Frick off That pizza's great

Now, it's funny After having James on last week Last week, by the way Rhymer? No James Myrtle's episode seems like a year ago Like it just seems like so long ago So, I mean, first off

I guess we should talk about Rhymer Reading your book? Yeah! Come on! Yeah! That's great So, let me walk you through what happened I was just

So, Mrs. Dangle is a Destroyer of Netflix shows destroyer and uh she's going she's digging deep like she just started the mindy project and that show hasn't been on the air in like several years and i think started in 2012 and she is just buzz sawing her way through that so she's watching that and i'm on my very funny show it is a very funny show as i half pay attention on my phone because the internet It has damaged me. So, I see it.

I just see it on my timeline. And I hand my phone to SL, just going, excuse me, and I rolled on the floor. And she's like, what is going on? What happened? She thought Marner had signed, bless her heart. He did not. But it was even better.

Yeah, that has to be better than a Marner signing for you. April Reimer tweeted that Optimus Rhyme supports Bumble Steve. I'm Bumble Steve! I'm his trusty sidekick! Who talks through the radio! That's literally me! You are his hype man. I am his hype man!

I'm gonna be Bumble Steve for Halloween! I gotta be! I wonder what James is going to be. Blink, blink, blink. Oh, it made me very happy to see James Ryan. You do have to be Bumble Steve now. Oh, I have to be Bumble Steve. Do you think he'll play along?

Yeah, maybe. If he's, like, forced to. I mean, Nazem Khadri did with Bob Ross. He did. And I don't think people realize enough the connection there. Like, I'm pretty sure he was Bob Ross because you said Nazem Khadri, Bob Ross. It's tough. I never know who to trust whenever I get these messages from people I don't know,

but one guy's like, hey, I'm Nazem Kadri's cousin, and I told him to go as Bob Ross. So, I don't know. What is the Bumble Steve reference? Bumblebee from Transformers. Yeah. And Optimus Prime. I don't know. Optimus Rhyme.

Okay. Did you ever see any of the Transformers? No, I didn't watch Transformers. You never saw one Transformers? No. The first one's good. The first one's dumb. The Shia LaBeouf one?

Yeah. And Megan Fox? Megan Fox. Which is I mean if you even watch it now, it's shockingly sexist now You watch it and you're like I don't think that would fly today And I think they're the way she talked about it And I think the way she said that she auditioned was she walked in expecting to do lines And they just had her wash a car. Oh gosh. I'm not I'm not I'm serious now

Wow and by the way this transformers was made in 1964. No this was 2006 oh But yeah, I mean it was it was like it changed rather fast. It did it did Well, I don't think the audition process would be the same today, but Megan Fox I think she said she's kind of put it behind her and she has worked with Michael Bay since on those great Ninja Turtles movies What you've never seen I? Literally wasn't I thought you made that up. No, that's real. They've come out with two of them. She's April What yeah, what?

They're great if she was like Leonardo Yeah, anyway, so I don't know where we were going. Where were we going? I don't know. It's July. We were just telling the story of Reimer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

So James Reimer has my book. I did not know that was happening. I did not send him a book, which means James or April Reimer, but they're married, so they have the same bank account, so it doesn't matter. The Reimer last name bought my book. Why didn't you send them a book? Yeah, what the hell? Where? Jesse, do you not think if I knew the rhymer's address, I wouldn't be sitting on their dock right now with James talking about life and getting advice from my dad who's three days younger than me?

And they'll say, hey Steve, how did you get in here? Yeah, and I'll calmly explain, because I'm your friend. That's how. That's how it would work. If I knew where they lived, I would bring them muffins and cupcakes and other things of that nature. You could send things to the Florida Panthers and then... No. Carolina Hurricanes now. Well, I meant like last year.

You could have said, because that's when your book came out. Well, but not... No. No. It'd be a little weird if I only sent it to one of the... Oh, is this for a PR team? Would it be weird? No, not...

Would it be weird? Oh, I could... Or is it not already and has been? I could understand how it would be perceived as weird by jerks and haters, etc. The haters and the losers. The haters and the losers. Con artists. Yeah, they don't understand.

Yeah. They need to be investigated. Con artists, connivers, and other members of D12. I can see that. You see, kids, there used to be a rap group. Anyway, James Reimer is reading my book. Real name, no gimmicks. Yep, let's talk about frickin' Bazaar.

Yeah, Bazaar Kid was part of D12. Obie Trice was merely signed to the label. That's right. He was not a member of D12. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. How dare you, Jesse? Yes. Proof.

He had that one song. Proof, 50 Rest in Peace. Mackay Pfeiffer played Proof in... 8 Mile. That's right. I almost said The Longest Yard. That's not the same movie. Nope.

Very not the same movie. No, it was a different unit of measurement. You used for the movie title. It's a different unit of measurement. James Reimer was reading your book and I mean, so when April tweeted that out, she just, she didn't give you the heads up?

No, but she tagged me and just, oh. And then when you responded, did she respond back? No. Wow, so they're limited contact. Yeah. No, she just doesn't. I checked her likes and she just doesn't like a lot of stuff, Adam. Alright, that's it. That's all.

Adam, would you be on your phone all the time if your husband was James Reimer? know! You'd be smooching his kissable cheeks! That's what you'd be doing the whole time. They were the first phony outrage thing that I can remember blowing up on Twitter at

hockey. Like, real phony outrage. And the phony outrage was in the playoffs when... They thought Alicia Cuthbert gave her cut-eye. Yeah, when they were both rolling their eyes at some fan that was making, yapping at the both of them in the rake. No, he was... Wasn't he?

It was game four against Boston in 2013 Phaneuf went for that ridiculous hit that led to an odd man rush, Reinald Byrne was the only guy back and the Bruins scored I can't remember who scored to win the game

and it was either someone chirping Reimer who allowed the goal or Phaneuf who blew the coverage and well there's wife one, there's wife two so one or both of them were mad and it's just the way it looked on camera at first glance you went, uh-oh, there's friction there, and it was like right, the camera went right to

them, and they're down three games to one, Bruins are about to win this thing, probably. It took a little longer. You notice that has never happened again? What do you mean? Oh, the camera going straight to the wives? Do you think that MLSC changed the policy on that? Because I certainly do. Yeah, it's not them changing the policy, it's them...

Moving where the people sit. Well, moving where the people sit and also, because they still go right up to the, there was the Shanahan thing with Bacchus two years ago, remember that? But Shanahan works for the team. That is true, but the camera goes straight to him. F you, Bacchus. He's a piece of shit. He's a piece of shit. Legend! Oh, that guy's my president! Brendan Shanahan! My president!

My president, Brendan Shanahan! Make Brendan Shanahan a drink! He's, yeah. My president. That went well. High five. That went really well. I liked it.

I liked it. All right. All right. High five? No, he's not going to high five. Oh, wow. I didn't think Jesse would go for it. No, I think MLSC looked at that and said, well, that's never happening again.

Yeah. Well, you can change where they sit. I think what was more likely is someone at Rogers or Bell, I can't remember where it was aired, got a phone call. Or no, it would have been CBC at the time. And, hey, please do not do that. And now you can see why. Please do not do that.

You know what I mean? Yep. Yep. And it's also not fair. They don't work for the team. Right? Like, I understand getting reactions when they win. And they're crying and they're happy and whatever.

But what benefit does it serve, other than it's kind of down and dirty and gross, to shoot the players' wives after a bad play? I think it was, I want to say it was... Because people loved it, but it's in a bad way. It was either Reimer or Phaneuf's mum was in the shot as well. And they were going back to her all game. I think he was having a good game. He was making saves.

and they're going to her and oh isn't this cute and so they went to that shot but all you see is this guy like at the bottom of the screen like giving him shit and ah whatever ancient history come back James come back best friend sorry come back best friend so the Leafs

after we did our murder signed they signed seven guys they did so they made Kenny Agostino and Callie Casilla they both got two year deals and then Pontius Abberg Tyler Gaudette, Nick Shore, and Garrett

Wilson, and Kevin Gravel all got one-year deals. Now, the ones that like, I went to Ian Tulloch's charity podcast on Thursday night. So did I. I was just late. And, yeah, we missed each other because I had to go to bed, but you know, we were talking

about this, and it was kind of like, how many of these people are actually going to make the team? And if it's three guys, I'd be shocked. Like, to me, the lock is Aberg and the other one would be Nick Shore. Maybe Agostino's got a shot. No, I think Agostino's got the best shot. Really? In my opinion, yeah.

Don't see it. I don't see it. He played with Laval last year in the AHL, and I don't... And Montreal. He played some games in Montreal, and it was after he got put on waivers by Montreal that his season picked up with the Devils, which was his hometown team, so

maybe there was a little bit of extra inspiration there. I think... So what do you mean by making the team? I mean, making the team playing a role. Like, Justin Hall was on the team last year. But he wasn't. Is Justin Hall on the team? Oh.

I think as many as four of them could play games. Like Gravel. Is that what it is? It's Gravel? It's not Gravel. I think it's Gravel. Because I feel like... It should be Gravel.

It should 100% be Gravel. Especially because he's a tough guy. And if you say otherwise, they can kick rocks. You see. Tiny ones. Yeah, little ones. Because that's what Gravel... So I think he might play some games.

The trade of Borgman Makes that more likely Because there's another Left hand shot gone Agostino I think Is going to straight up Make the team Shore

What position? Fourth line? Yeah Fourth line It doesn't matter what position Just fourth line Yeah Fourth line

Shove him on one of the wings No because I'm just trying to I'm just trying to mentally Fill out the lines If you're trying to pick Who's making the team Yeah Well I think the fourth line

Is going to be a bit more Of a platoon Because the more I think about it And obviously, this is Raptors bias, and since when does hockey follow the lead of anybody? But I don't think Spezza should play every game next year. He's 37. And he's not so good that he should be playing every game. Like, Freddie the Goat sat some nights.

Tyler Ennis was really good for the Leafs, and he was a healthy scratch on certain nights. So I think they should shove Shore into the Spezza slot on occasion. And I think Pontus Aberg, if someone were to get hurt on one of the power play units, I could see him playing very minimally 5-on-5 and play on the second power play unit. Because he's a good offensive player. He's a really good offensive player. The problem is he's kind of a dog in his own net. But I like the Pontus Aberg pickup just for the fact that you get some pretty amazing penalty kill with that guy.

He's fast. Isn't he really fast? He's fast So he's an option Yeah he might be Dog shit in his own end But I think It's weird They should get more

Creative with who they Put on the penalty I don't think he's Ever done it Five on five Aberg to me Is Yeah you don't want

To start him in your Defensive zone I get that But it would be Really cool To see a guy With that kind of speed Play

Penalty kill Because penalty kill Is a little bit different It's not the same It's not It's not the same Kind of defense Do you know what I'm saying

I know this sounds ridiculous No, I know where you're going. I think Auberg's the right guy to, or sorry, the wrong guy to plant that flag. You think so? Yeah, I just don't think he's as gifted there. But no, I see what you're saying. Okay. Could be sure.

I don't know. Could be sure. It's funny reading the scouting report on him. Because they're like, yeah, he's really good at driving possession, can't shoot. And I'm like, huh. You know, of all the skills, you'd think that you'd be able to develop that. Yeah, well, and... It's like that, face-offs and shootings, like, you don't have to be Ovechkin line-A good.

Well and faceoffs are like You're going up against another guy who's really good at faceoffs Shooting is, if you have a clear shot That's up to you how hard And accurate that thing is So I guess he's more of a playmaker But again, center, right-handed shot Playmaker

Primarily, which makes him a good Spezza replacement on a lot of nights Yeah, so I see Those four guys potentially playing some games Garrett Wilson played most of his season in the NHL last year, but he didn't do anything?

No, he's going to be an NHL guy. Yeah. Is Nick Patan on the team? There's another... Does he make the opening day roster? Oh, come on.

Guys. I don't know, man. I don't think so. So deep. I know. We're going really deep. No, what I mean... No, but like,

in front of the GOAT, all of a sudden, it's like the sixth line center. Can Timoshev be our second line center? Timoshev... Let's just replace Matthews.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him get traded. potentially in a package because at some point if you're a prospect you go alright yeah I got a shot

I got a shot and like if I'm Timoshev I gotta be looking at the situation right now and going shit

like I don't know if I'm ever gonna get a sniff he's a guy nah there'd have to be too many injuries I'd say they might get him a shot

on the power play I just bring it up because like where does a guy like that after seven guys sign fit into this team

I don't think they're gonna make it they're like it's gonna be AHL like I think again maximum three of those guys make the team. Really, truly stay with the team.

But then there's room for two of them. Really? Because it's Spezza in the middle on the fourth line. And then who's on your right? Nick Shore. Well, who's your third line center? Are we sure? Are we sure? Because he played mostly wing in Colorado. Yeah, that's a weird one.

Everyone's assuming that that is going to happen. It's weird. Nick Shore, not Nick Shore, Alex Kerfoot can play center. He's sort of getting the treatment that I wish they would have gave Nylander once upon a time. Like, yeah, I like him more on the wing But we're going to try him at center

So now he's sort of Which is, Nylander it seems like Ah, we're going to set him up to fail at center That's what they've done You know what, here's the deal We're going to try Nylander And we're going to put him with Marlow and Brown I know

We rip on Babcock But Babcock has been really good at managing the bench Sometimes I find he manages it pretty decently In situations of need And with Kerfoot That might be a chance for him to shine Like it might be a chance for

You ride Matthews a bit You ride Tavares a little bit At the beginning You put Kerfoot in a position to succeed Give him a lot of offensive zone starts At center And at center Okay

Yeah, yeah, yeah You coddle him at center Because, yeah, otherwise I don't really know what else you do It's not Gauthier Couldn't be Spezza It's not Spezza It is not Gauthier

Could not be Spezza Yeah It's definitely not Gauthier Spezza's just too slow now Yeah, he's your fourth line Unless Shore is this miracle worker And like you said Now we're getting really deep

I meant deep as in it's a deep question for Mike Babcock I don't mean like This show is for getting too deep That's what we do here I also predict the Leafs are going to lose Like two guys to waivers again Because I think they've put themselves In a position where

They want to probably It's good for the contracts But it's they You know why not give yourself as many chances as possible Alright so if they take this guy and this guy At least we have these five guys It's like the baseball thing If we've got five guys that are basically the same

And we lose two of them so what The Marlies are going to be a handsomely paid hockey team Next year I'm going to try to figure out how many They have 48 So I mean if you lose a couple good Yeah well because 48 Marner would be 49 and if they sign

Neuwirth that would be 50 and I don't think they want to go to 50 Yeah. So Jordan Schmaltz is another pickup they made. Yes. And he's a right-handed defenseman. Steve, why didn't you make a video about that? Why didn't you make a video about that? I had Smashfest that night and then I went out with my friends afterwards and for the first time in a long time, I got a bunch of drinks at the bar. Hmm. Yes. I'm sorry. That doesn't answer the question of why you didn't do the video. Oh, hey everybody, uh, fuckin' Jordan Schmaltz. He's got Jaden Schwartz. They freaking fleeced him.

Did this happen yesterday? I believe you had it all weekend. Wow. Wait, Adam. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I'm sorry. What day is it today? It's Monday.

Four days. I'm not making two days late. Oh, no. Jordan Schmaltz video, let alone four days late. Jesse, I miscommitted, Steve. Wow. I was on the radio today. Steve, when did you stop caring?

And I had to talk the whole time. Sports radio is harder. I said it. When did you stop caring? Yeah, it's harder to just rely on Scott McArthur for all the knowledge. Sorry. When did you stop caring? Right now.

This moment. I got to tell you, I'm quite impressed with something. And I think there is... James Myrtle alluded to this last week. When you look at the cap friendly, a couple things stand out to you. In the cap world, name some really important things that all winning teams need. Where the NHL's going. So name something that you need.

What do you need, Steve? Well, cheap young guys. You also need expensive young guys. I'm talking about, like, what do you need to win to be a good team? A goalie. Yep. Okay. So there's that.

Centers. Yep. Strong centers. And, I don't know, decent decor. No bad contracts? Yes. Zero bad contracts on this team. And even if Marner signs at 12, it's still not necessarily that bad.

It's still Mitch Marner. CeCe's still confusing, but it's one year. It's one year? Okay, so yeah, you know what? If you want to make the argument, CeCe's the bad contract. I will not argue it's a bad contract. I won't argue that either. Fair.

One bad deal, but it's for one year, so it's limited damage, shall we say. It's a bad contract without being a bad contract, if that makes any sense. The other thing I want to point out here. the youngest player on this team is austin matthews yep 21 still yep and he's 22 in a month mitch marner and him are the youngest and then you've got mitch marner's 22 uh and he'll be 23 this year and then you got capon at 23 neil andrew 23 the average age of the forward core hazard a guess 24 and a half 25 and a half 25 and a half and it's slightly more because Zach Eyman isn't on the list.

Right. Yeah, but if Spets is not in the lineup, it's like 19. Yeah. Defense, 26.4. And your goaltending average, because both Anderson and Hutchinson, and I don't know how old Neuwirth is, 28 or something, is 29. There you go. That, are we talking, like, we talk about how the NHL is moving in a direction

where you've got to get away from the 30-year-olds. Like, I hate to say it, that way, but you do. Yeah, you got to be in a sweet spot and it looks like almost all their guys are in a sweet spot They don't have many bad deals. They got one you could say and maybe and maybe Kobe Cody CeCe's found money Maybe he turns out to be okay. Just not the bar so load for him Well, yeah, can you imagine if he scores in the Leafs first game of the season if he's serviceable. Oh, yeah I hope he does before the internet cracks you nervous. That's 31. Oh, just to let you know Jesse. How many goals did CeCe have? because why why trust me why do you do

no trust because trust me does who has more goals in the last three weeks you had instructional practice or Cody's easy last season I'm gonna say Steve it instruction wait over how how long Cody CC played 74 games last year for the Senate so I played in fewer games so I'm higher goals per game oh my god probably

less ice time to song better Cody CC had seven goals. He had seven goals, actually? Yeah, that's not bad. I think he wins. Yes. Despite your... You played less games. I played less games, so... Jesse, listen, if we're talking numbers here, we gotta... Yeah, you know what? We gotta be fair.

Gotta get the whole picture here. First of all, there you are using rate stats. Okay, why did you want to bring up Cody Cece's goal? Yeah, Steve, why did you want to get into that? Why did you iceberg this for this? No, here's why. He forgot why, by the way, just so you know. No, I remember now.

So, I thought about making my Borgman video, and then I decided, wait, no, I'm enjoying my Saturday too much. But, you know who wasn't enjoying their Saturday? Who? The majority of Leafs Twitter, for some reason. Because they decided Saturday was Garrett Sparks' cancelled day. And there was an epic thread, I can't remember who put it up, and it was just all bad Garrett Sparks goals. Like the ones he let in? Yeah.

I think the comments that he made. Not the ones he scored, certainly. Rightly or wrongly. No, but why did you bring up Cody Ceci? Because Ceci had two of them. Okay, that's fine. There you go. Full circle!

Because I thought he scored three goals, and I started to get worried because I'm like, two of them were brutal Sparks goals. So he had five NHL goals and two on Garrett Sparks. So Garrett Sparks' comments over the weekend, Adam? Yeah, so, okay. let's rewind to that because I thought that was interesting a lot of people, myself included, were like

excuse me and I think rightfully so now I was corrected by several people in a way but I also don't think I'm totally wrong here you are though I mean, listen I could post anything on the internet and something would be wrong

it's all a matter of perspective on this one, but here's Garrett Sparks' quotes All I've wanted Is a fair opportunity Come camp To try to make the team And I think I'll get a greater opportunity

In Vegas Than I would have In Toronto Okay Which is not untrue You know what Yes Everyone was like

They lost two goalies For you You were the fourth Best goalie in camp And they Handed you The backup job Which is all true as well

Also true But You can't tell me With a straight face Babcock went into last season Going This is my goalie I'm gonna give him a shot

Now you can argue that You know that's maybe one of his Stick in the mud things with Dubas Where he was actually right Screw you this kid's no good But he I feel like if you are On the Toronto Maple Leafs

You should do everything in your power To make the rest of the Toronto Maple Leafs good You don't feel that Sparks did that? No, I don't think Babcock did that With Sparks There were some negative clouds hanging over the Leafs last year Yeah, now he did give him the third start of the season Which I was surprised with

And what a start it was Gracious The Blackhawks game Remind people, nobody remembers it like you remember it The Blackhawks game, I'm sure you guys all remember Anyway, moving on Game 3 of 82 Yeah, game 3 of 82

I'll tell you everything that happened. So the Leafs win their first game of the season on home ice, John Tavares' home debut It's friggin amazing. And that's when they lost to the Senators in game two. Yeah So they win 3-2 in overtime, but get shit kicked by the Habs from start to finish of the game Yep, and just happen to win Then they lose to the Sens in their second game and I'm like wait a sec The Sens were supposed to win negative four games. How did that happen? The next game was against Chicago. The Leafs are down two goals in like five minutes, and I'm like this team stinks. What's going on here? Leafs roar back

I can't remember if that was at the Tavares hat-trick game. I think he might have had a hat-trick. Uh-huh and Austin Matthews scores with like I Think less than a minute and a half left. He does the ear year celebration to the whole Madhouse. That celebration is in NHL 20, or at least it's in the beta. That celebration is in it, and I hate that celebration. You know why? Why?

Because Patrick Kane scored like 15 seconds later on Sparks. Sparks had to shut the door for like 90 seconds, maybe less, and he barely even reacted. And the body language, every time a goal goes in, And that game, it's, Brian Burke talks about a preseason game when the Leafs got Vesa Toskala, or, no, it wasn't when they got Vesa Toskala, because Toskala was good. He was a Ferguson pick, though. He was a Ferguson pick, was he not?

Yes, he was. Yeah, I think you're right. And he was good for at least a season. I remember the cover of the hockey news. The Leafs will go as far as Vesa Toskala will take them. And there were a lot of nights where he was a man on an island. And then one day he didn't have it at all And Burke was like, nope, we're going into the season with him as a starter

He played a preseason game and he got scored on seven times, seven different ways And they asked Burke after the fact And he's like, that game was the game I realized Uh-oh, we're boned And the Blackhawks game with Sparks was a little bit of that for me I outwardly was defending him, for sure But like in the back of my mind, I'm like holy shit. That's tough He had a little streak where he improved a bit

But then he got thinking playing once a friggin month and he gets a concussion from a kneel and her shot in practice Willie Which was his fault because he tried to he hit it with his head. Oh my god Sarcastic for no, yes, explain that but he's referring when I think people said yeah when he got hit in the head in the mask during practice from Neil Andershaw. There was multiple Twitter threads about how goalies shouldn't be leading with their head and that it was Sparks' fault for getting hit in the head with a puck.

And they linked to a video from Casimir Kaskiswil of him intentionally taking pucks to the head and how to direct them properly. No, kids, this is how you properly direct pucks with your head. And Garen Sparks doesn't know how to do that. What? So like that That was a moment in time

That was a moment in time Garrett Sparks had a wild season For a guy who played less than 20 games Or whatever it was Yeah, he did And that was on That was on the argument of I don't know about necessarily the Leafs or Babcock

But a lot of people were never Willing to give Garrett Sparks a chance When he gets a concussion because his teammates shot too high in practice and it's his fault because the goalie got in front of a puck. Are you okay? That was the main criticism of him is he didn't get in front of enough of pucks. And then when he got, that was insane.

That was insane. So he never stood a chance amongst the fans, it looks like. But then there's the other side that wanted to give him too much of a chance and were like, Gerard Sparks is the future. There's still that, who are like, oh, they should have never gotten rid of him for the Clarkson deal and whatever. Well, and I think that where Garrett Sparks lost me, and this, maybe this is me in my 30s, but when they were playing that St. Pat's game, and he goes, well, we just need to work harder. That game was one of the lowest I've felt as a Leaf fan.

Yeah, which is crazy, because they were still very good. But I was just like They were too close to the playoffs And too close to an inevitable Series with the Bruins And I was just like this team sucks They were so bad This is a guy who was in the middle of a

2-7-0 run 8-9-9 save percentage In his last 10 games I can't believe it was that high So this is where This is where that comment about I'm just looking for a fair opportunity Or an opportunity

Dude, you had opportunities. Sorry, like, and we wouldn't be talking about this if you'd seized it. And if you shut your mouth. Because I can tell you, it wasn't necessarily the performance this season that got him booted out of town. I don't think it was. I really don't think it was. There's a Stroman thing going on. I absolutely love it.

Without being the quality of Marcus Stroman. Yeah, and I think the team was probably not thrilled. Because Garrett Sparks loves to talk to the media. He does. He's been that way since he was in the AHL. And when you're winning, that's great. He's insightful. He is insightful.

He's in the championship ring. And he's not a bad person. We're not vilifying him. However, he said something he shouldn't have in a moment when he shouldn't have. And we're people that are like, please talk. Please, NHLers, please talk. But at that point, for the team, based on the hockey culture, the way it is, not a good situation. And where I take issue

Is all I've wanted Is a fair opportunity Well I think He's going to get more starts in Vegas Just because their goalie is older And the Leafs plan From the beginning was to ride Freddie into the dirt

We'll see if they do it again I don't think they will God I hope not This was very unpopular with the Leafs Geeks podcast That I did on Thursday night But I think Michael Neuwirth is going to come in and solve a lot of problems. I think that is an extraordinarily optimistic way of looking at it. I hope you're right.

Well, okay. Why is that optimistic, though? Let me ask you why. He was injured and dreadful last year. Now, if he returns to... There's a lot of ifs involved, right? He played seven games last year. Yeah.

Yeah. And in those seven games, he was dreadful. He was dreadful. But the season before that... that i'm far more discouraged by the fact that he was injured than the fact he had seven bad games well let me let me hit you this you know what i mean season before that 22 games 915 save percentage 260 goals against that's the season before that the flyers suck so did he 891 save percentage and 282 goals against average season before that this is 15 16 227 and a 0.924 save

percentage and then he stunk with him when he was with the islanders and then was pretty good with the Sabres the first two. Now you're going back a little bit too far. Way too far. But here's the thing. This guy, he's hot and he's cold. Season by season, he's good, and then the next season he sucks. Like, guys, I don't think, like, just because he said the right things and he had a

couple decent games with the Leafs, Michael Hutchison's not going to come in and post like a 9-12. No, he's not. As a backer. At least with Neuwirth, he has. Well, yes. Well, and Hutchison you know, still might. He had... No. Come on. He was another guy who was... The year

Garrett Sparks won Goalie of the Year Hutchison might have won it Had he played more games He was real good But every opportunity Like with the Jets And with the

With the Panthers Yeah Look at his numbers With the Panthers He was like an 8-5 Or something like that He couldn't stop A beach ball

The Leafs need a 9-05 to 9-10 goalie In their backup That's what they need The Leafs need a goalie Who can play The Leafs need Freddie Anderson

To not play 60 plus games That's what I mean though And to get him To not play 60 plus games You need a 905 To a 910 Save percentage goal You also gotta sit

Mike down And go Okay Here let's look at it On the schedule And heading into the season Freddie will not play On these nights

Yeah And we can adjust it Based on need And whatever But we gotta head Into the season With an actual game plan I agree

How do we not Ride our starter Into the dirt He's gotta be In like the 50 game range Yeah Something like that Well look at what

Tuukka Rast did with that Right He's the perfect example. Him and Halak. They spent too much money on Halak. Well, more money than other teams. Sure, paid off for them. Paid off.

Leafs can't do that, so that makes it tough. But I look at Neuwirth, and here's a guy with a pedigree. And Mike Babcock loves his vets. He loves his vets. He loves a little bit of pedigree. Loves guys that, well, he's been there before, been a pro for a long time. This guy is perfect for this. I don't know why people are not talking more about this.

I'm super optimistic about this. And you know what? If he does suck, they'll find out in camp. He's on a PTO, who cares? It's a rehabilitation project, for sure. I think that this guy's the next guy for at least the season. And I really believe that he's the right guy. You got him for nothing because you couldn't spend.

This offseason, there's nothing that they could do about the backup goaltending situation. They had too much else to worry about. They have a good No. 1. Yeah, the No. 2 kind of stinks, but we'll deal with that in a bit. They got their right-handed shot defensemen. They got Cody Ceci. They got Tyson Berry Yay

And Berry is The more I look at the roster The more I'm like Yeah, Berry is Head and shoulders Above any right-handed shot They've had We've seen

He's better than Any right-handed shot We've seen in our lifetime, Steve On the Leafs Better than any Right-handed shot We've seen in our lifetime Was Dimitri Yuskevich

A right-hander? Doesn't matter He's a 20-point-a-game player Or a 20-point-a-season guy What? He's me in NHL? He's garbage Well, he wasn't garbage

He was good But he was defensive And in a different era I think you're right When you talk about this team convincing you in camp I think they're a far more balanced team I think they're a far more dubious team And if you look at all the things

That the Leafs needed to get done in the offseason They've done them I know, I just I compare them to their playoff selves Right? It's Evaluation of the Leafs Is different than evaluation of

Most other teams Because they play the same team In the first round every year And so every year I put them up Against that team And I go, okay, how far away were they From that team And have they pushed themselves over the edge

To beat them You know? Most other teams don't look at it that way They just go, are we better on paper? I don't know We gotta look at it In this imperfect, scarred way I don't know But I think they are going to sell me in camp.

Their problems are pretty peripheral. The bottom pair worries me. They can fix it. They have six lines, literally six lines of offense. And your backup, I mean, Jesus, you can solve that pretty easily. And you know what? When is it going to be their turn to get the, when did this guy learn how to play goalie guy?

Yeah, they've never really had that had they like well, it's it's rare you could some people would argue Reimer was that guy and he Jesus like he had a couple seasons were like Even when they drafted him. I don't think they knew he could do that But like I'm talking about This is an extreme version You know who was like a nine to five and fifty five games last year Darcy Kemper Wow what? What?

What? I remember watching that guy earlier in his career, and I know, you know, young goalies thrust into situations maybe they shouldn't be in, and I was just like, this kid is not gonna make it. He could not stop stopping pucks last year for the Coyotes. He almost dragged that team to the playoffs, you're coming with me! You and all your, the three retired guys that I play with, you're all coming with me! We're going!

Like where I want them to I don't know who it's gonna be Like Devin Dubnyk randomly learning how to play goalie after God knows how many years and how many teams Like I would love for that to happen Do you know who was a 9-2-8 in 31 games a 9-2-8 in 31 games last season last season So he wasn't so was he a backup or was he a starter who got hurt a a backup. He ranks third in the whole league

in safe percentage of goalies who played 25 or more games. David Ridge. Was it Thomas Grice? No, fifth. What? Okay. So it's not Ridge?

Yara Halak. Nope. Okay. No. Ninth. Ninth, damn. Corey Crawford? Jack Campbell.

Goal tender for the LA Kings. Oh, wow. Oh, Corey Crawford, why did I say that? Yeah, you can. And Jack Campbell was, I remember, I sat next to a scout at the 2010 World Juniors in Saskatchewan. And Jack Campbell was the goalie. I think he was, he started that tournament the back of goalie for the States because he was the kid. It was his draft year.

Oh, I tell you, you can't mess with this kid. He's got ice in his veins. He told me that. He goes, he has ice in his veins, this kid. Yeah, and go look at his career. We'll give him a shot, we'll give him a shot. Bum, bum, bum, bum, amazing. And sometimes it's injuries. It's in their head. It's whatever it is, and then it clicks. Where's their Jack Campbell?

That's what I'm saying. Maybe Joseph Wohl comes in, and he knocks their socks off. Well, they've been talking about him for a while. That's interesting. He's interesting. Ian Scott. I think, by the sounds of it, it sounds like Wohl... Wohl, I think the ceiling is higher. Yep. What about Double K? Kazimir Kaskiswo. I... It'd be great if he came out of nowhere He had a really good playoff He had two games up At least last year, right?

Yeah, I don't think he played though And the problem with him is that he has to come out of nowhere Because no one really believes that he's ready He had a good playoff But heading into the playoffs I remember the first good game Everyone's like, whoa, look at that Out of nowhere

That's such a long shot You're right That's why I'm saying And like, where's ours? Where's our long shot? Where's ours? But we can't be betting on those. No, I don't think they are.

You can't bet on a long shot. I'm betting on Neuwirth. Flag planted. Yeah. I'm getting a Neuwirth Leafs jersey. I'm going to get it. Whoa! Can I bet on Nick Shore?

I think that's a pretty easy bet. He's not even a long shot. The guy who doesn't have a contract is the far longer long shot. No, I'm going to bet on 15 goals for Nick Shore. There is a bet. You know what? He can play 82 games and probably still not even hit five. Could you bet on 15 goals for Marner?

Yes. Yeah. Oh, but you don't think he's going to play all year? Well, I think he's going to December 1st because now they can. No. He's no way. Now they can. No way.

Why would you have done the Clarkson deal then? Okay. Protection. The Nylander situation last year was a nightmare. And I think Dubas regrets it. The one good thing to come out of it is it was basically a slideshow on why not to do that. Hi, do you want to be miserable for like an entire year of your life? And it really did.

The whole season last year felt a little cursed. We've talked about that a number of times. It was exhausting. Because it was. When we wrapped up on July 1st, I was done. I was done. I was cooked. I came in here a bunch of times, and I'm sure it really elevated the mood of the room when I was like,

I don't feel like talking about hockey today It was just enough We need a fun season Yeah This coming year I hope it's fun That's up to us I think

Like the Nylander thing No if Marner sits out to December 1st That's not fun That's not our problem No I think it would be less hard than Nylander though No but like Nylander sat out

No I think Well Nylander was sitting out And they were still great Yeah They were still great And we didn't enjoy a second of it As like a fan base

Yeah because You know what it was We knew that We knew that there were Massive holes in that team And we had seen them Season after season After season

We knew Like it's one thing when When you have a problem And you And you realize Halfway through the season Well shit Nikita Zaitsev's a bit of a problem

Eh? Yeah And he even improved But that was Season two and a half Three of Nikita Zaitsev Yeah Still a problem

They did go out And do the Muzzin deal They did go up and do the Muzzin deal, which was great. And Babcock complained immediately. They do the Matthews contract. Marner's people shit on it. It was... Every bit of good news was met with a subtle fuck you.

You get to the playoffs, you play Boston, you're like, this is our... we got it, we have the three-headed monster. Kadri gets suspended. Yeah! Again. And what gets me is that... After game one, where they dominated them. Oh, sorry.

When Mike Babcock said that about Jake Muzzin, and now he said, well, you know, some words were maybe misconstrued or whatever, That was not misconstrued. We're not stupid, Mike. We speak English, Mike. You spoke out of turn, and you fucked up, and you shouldn't have said it. Yeah. Way to welcome a guy who was a fucking warrior for the Leafs, too.

He was great. Yeah, can you imagine playing without him there, Mike? What would Boston series look like without Jake Muzzin? Five. Five for Boston. Maybe five. He was real good. So this is the thing.

I think that this year we're looking at a team that while they may be the same talent level are far more far more talented in the areas that they needed to be well and they're They're young skilled guys are so much more refined. Yeah, your gains are just guys getting better I'm excited for I really want Matthews to have an uninterrupted season You know what I mean? Mm-hmm like Marner comes in he's with Tavares. He also Also, was fine. I don't know if he missed any games last year.

Taveras? No, Marner. Oh, Marner. No, Marner played 82. He played 82. He played one or something. 82. He might have missed one.

And none on the fourth line, but remember the season before when he did? That was shitty. And had like a four-point game with Matt Marner. Let's make the Leafs pay. Yeah, let's definitely do that. But Matthews, it'd be nice. And people are saying he's injury-prone. The second I saw that hit, I was like, that sucks.

Yeah, that's not injury-prone. He went from full speed to dead stops because he got checked shoulder-to-shoulder on Jacob True but like Yeah 77-82-82 For Marner by the way So there's Yeah

So he Yeah he missed I think he had Cracked ribs the year before Or was that his rookie year I can't remember The rookie year Yeah five games he missed

And that's it For his entire career Oh wait So 77-82-82 Yes Oh Yes Oh yeah

Yeah So yeah It'd be nice to get Matthew Some of that Cause I I think Some of the holes in his game Could probably be explained

By missing too much time I can't wait to see him with willie all that stuff that was the one thing uh people kept you know to take a break from the sparks hate fest some of which was very interesting um to take a break from that some people were like yeah well here's willie's numbers and imagine if they play him with matthews and they showed what their numbers were holy shit i can't believe the leafs just sat on that and chose not to use it oh it depends on if you think it's gonna happen this year it's gonna it's gonna We don't know that

Yes Her foot would have to be So trash at center Yeah And Nylander and Austin Would have to At the same time Not be working

What if Babcock says I'm gonna put Nylander On the third line I march my ass To Scotiabank Arena And have a word With Michael I'll put X-Lax

In his coconut water I'll I don't know man That's Brutal We'll see We will see We'll see.

That will be interesting. How much of the anxiety around this team revolves around we just don't trust the coach? How does he get it back? I think he uses the team to the best of their ability. And I think the fact is, listen, Mike Babcock's a brilliant coach. There's no doubting it. The question is, is he a brilliant coach now? For this team.

For this team. That's the key. I don't know if he can properly earn my trust back until they win the first round. That's fair Because those are your expectations for the overall team But if he has A good regular season Start the season, first five games

You play on the guys nicely, then it's all fine It's a bit more of a process thing It's not an immediate One game at a time kind of thing It's over a course in the season I believe that They also gotta finish higher than third in the division Mike Babcock's gotta know right now

That This doesn't go well, another first round accident and he's gone. And while you would look at it and go, well, he made X a million, he made a million dollars, gazillions of dollars, and I think the Leafs,

did the Leafs not have an out this year with him? Oh, I don't know. Kyle Dubas has it written into his contract that he can fire Mike Babcock. I know that. Okay. That's what it talks about. But I thought that there was,

in the eight-year deal that he signed, a fifth year, some sort of like both sides can part ways or something like that. And it doesn't matter. The Leafs can pay him out anyway. And Mike can walk away with all that money and then go work somewhere else or whatever.

but Mike Babcock is a very proud man yes and what's on the line right now with Mike Babcock after the last two seasons legacy and pride

because it doesn't matter I mean listen he won the cup in Detroit no one will ever take that away in Detroit it's an original six team and that was a classic lineup

Nicholas Lidstrom's last real hurrah they make the finals twice in a row it was amazing but he went to Toronto he could have gone to

Buffalo for more money he could have gone to a couple other places for more money he came to Toronto Because he wanted to win in Toronto Because Mike Babcock, like all of us Who will perform for a living

Which is what he's doing, has a healthy ego And he wants to win here Because, as Brian Burke says What did he say? It's the Holy Grail You win in Toronto, it's over It's different I'm sorry, our cup is better than your cup

That is the reality I'm sorry Has your team won recently? That's great. Not as good. If that's true. Who's won more recently, the Marlins or the Yankees? The Yankees.

The Yankees. Because the Marlins won recently enough, right? 2001? They won, like, in 01, and then they won another one in, like, I want to say 2010 or something like that. And the last Yankees World Series win was 09. If I remember correctly. The Marlins won, it was 98-2001. Oh, is that what it was?

Yeah. I remember one of the years, or maybe both. Whatever the year they played the Yankees I was off by one year on each But whatever The Yankees were paying more of their salary than they were Because of the luxury tax What's amazing is that the Marlins won two championships

No one talks about it You go to New York 09 baby It was a big year It's something that they talk about When I've gone to Yankee Stadium Which by the way is such an experience You gotta do it

That's what they're talking about When New York wins, when the Lakers win the championship again, that will be far bigger than the Raptors ever winning. Far bigger. But within Toronto, we're like, F you, they won. So if you're a fan base right now hearing what I'm saying and you're going, what? Listen, I totally get it, and you're not even right, and I'm wrong. However, I'm right. And it's big to you in your city.

You can't tell me there isn't something a little extra magical about the Leafs winning? Do you not think that there was a reason that NHL 20 put out their beta video and it's Boston and Toronto play? It made me very upset. Can we just... There was obviously a reason for that. Can we also just say that the NHL cover 20 is bad? That picture of Matthews is a bad picture.

It looks like a bad Instagram shot. And when you look at the actual photo that it's based off, like all the changes you're like why did you do that yeah the photo itself is just a better photo he it's like it's like a covert uh like campaign to get matthews to rejoin or rejoin to uh jump ship and go to the coyotes by shaping him like the picasso dog logo right it's just it's strange there's a he reminds me of the one of the characters in the simpsons got like high once Or something And they followed a coyote

Through the desert That's what he looks like You know what I'm talking about That's when Homer ate the He went to the chili contest And he remember He had a spoon

His wooden spoon That he used And then they gave him The hot chili And then he ate The pepper hole And he put it on his tongue And then it burnt his tongue

And then he went out Into the desert Into the desert And then the coyote Was talking to him In the sky Yes That was that episode

Oh okay Thank you very much Yeah you're welcome Thank you very much I know we needed that Have you played it yet? The beta 20? No no

So, is it good? Is it good? The passing is really, really, really different. You know how you could, well, it's harder for me because I play D, but if I just want to hurl. You play D, but also center. Yeah, well, it depends how good my teammates are. And goalie.

So, like, yeah, and goalie. You know, it depends how good my teammates are. Instead of just hurling the puck up the ice, and it probably hits one of the two people that are up there or whatever. Tape to tape every time. No, I ice the puck a lot. I pull aside. I find it really funny

that you're worried about passing. Wow. This doesn't affect you. So I was playing with two guys the other day and they're like, wow,

like Adam and Jesse chirp you for not passing but like you're passing all the time out here. I'm like, yeah, well you guys are good. Does your controller

have a right trigger? Yeah, it does. It does? I wasn't aware. Believe it or not, I wasn't aware. It broke off

when he was throwing it at the screen. Losing the last one. It only happened to one of my controllers. Hey, by the way, I'm just reading

a story here. You know that Marcus Stroman trade So apparently For the first time Apparently for the first time in a long time The Blue Jays did not Open their clubhouse after the game to the reporters So there was a commotion

I saw the tweets about this I'm excited Evidently And the Mets let him talk about this today too And confirm it And his dad Who is the scariest man on the planet I haven't seen him He looks he could beat up like Scott Steiner like professional. He's the rock. Is he he's bigger than the rock

Hold on. Is he tall enough? Come on If you're gonna pump heart doesn't measure or height doesn't measure heart forever You're gonna get a little bit of a chirp. Adam's new clothing line depth measures impact He's just gonna mash you into the earth's crust. I liked Marcus Stroman. Look up Marcus Stroman dead Okay, okay, Earl Stroman. I want to hear the story. No, please let us tell the story.

So, oh boy, he is big. Yeah, you want to talk that shit now? Talk that shit now. He's not taller, though. Wow! He's not. What do you want me to say? What?

So, apparently, there was a reason that it was closed, and Marcus Stroman, after finding out he was going to the Mets, who are worse than the Jays, I'm pretty sure. If they're not, they're just bad. No, they're not, but they're five games under .500, but they're not worse than the Jays. They're in worse divisions. The Mets are the Mets and they usually suck

And I believe Marcus Stroman's from New York Yes he had a picture of him As a kid with a With Mets gear I don't know if that means he was actually a fan He's a kid And it's weird because they're also Supposed to be sellers and they're supposed to be trading

Noah Syndergaard this offseason Yeah but they need somebody to pitch for them They also acquired a young pitcher And it's so weird I don't know what they're doing I think they should just keep the rotation that they have But anyway, apparently he was pissed. Marcus Stroman was pissed. A, how they handled it, but B, that he was not traded to the Yankees, Red Sox, or Astros.

And Earl Stroman did an interview. Wait, he said this? Well, what he said publicly was that he was upset with the way they handled some things, and he let them know it. This is what he said today. But Earl Stroman said this. This is his dad. Yeah, with Newsday in New York.

He was hoping it would be the Yankees a little bit. He was kind of psyched, maybe hoping to go there. I'm not going to tell you he wasn't if he was to leave Toronto at all. Don't forget, Marcus loved Toronto. His heart was there. The brass did not appreciate him as much as the fans did. The whole country took him as they took to me. Strowman, and then it says, basically, he said he was built for this,

as in playing in New York. New York is the mecca of the world. I love the excitement. I love the bright lights. I love competition. I love pressure. So I've always loved pitching here, as in Yankee Stadium, Even if I haven't necessarily pitched fairly well here,

I've always enjoyed it. I love the spotlight. I've always wanted to be the moment. It's kind of where I've always wanted to be. So, the Mets pick up this guy, and on the first day, the PR team allows his father and him to both sort of claim... Now, Marcus didn't claim this,

but his father did, that, of course, the Mets are not the desired destination. If they're only five games under .500, they could still turn around. Imagine, yeah, but it's not up to you to where you get traded if it's not written in your contract

that you get a decision on where you get traded. No, true. That's your thing. You can't complain. So he basically yelled at them for not trading him. He's like,

you're going to trade me. Trade me to a contender. They don't have to, though. It's actually a shame that we won't get to see him in the playoffs because he was very good in the playoffs.

I agree. He's a very good pitcher. Yeah. That's the thing. He's great. It's just funny to watch. And you're not allowed to criticize him.

What? You're not allowed to criticize him because, oh, a player finally shows personality. no, no, no, no, no, it's, stop, stop, what are you, you don't see, listen, talking shit to the opponent, staring into the other dugout, I love that, yeah, that's why I love strong, I love that, but you can't, you've never looked at his Twitter and gone, ugh, you've never gone, wow, you seem like a taxing person, a little bit, and oh, well, he did this, and he did all these nice things that every athlete does, like, yes, I got it. Some of those things should be bare minimum things. I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. Oh, he talked to this kid. He should. He should. Good. Yes, it's part of the gig. But I can imagine day to day What does Marcus have to say? Those people whose good qualities are

great, but their bad qualities are horrible. Yeah. And that's the thing is that I think there are people that have a timeline. It's like There are general managers There are presidents There are executives

That have a three to four year timeline There are those that can stay for a while And then there are those that are like I'm good for about five years And then people stop listening to me I saw a few people Well what about Trevor Bauer Everyone thinks Trevor Bauer's a nut

What are you And he is He's crazy Yes And people try to goad him on Twitter now They just like Because they can They tweet shit

And he's like See I see you trying to goad me But you're not gonna get under my skin! Yeah! So, but they're both different versions of that. Yeah. Trevor Bauer, I'll never let you get to me! Piece of shit! And that's just at his

teammates. You son of a piece of garbage! Did you see him throw the ball over center field? Yeah, or he chucked it into the center field. He gets thrown, he didn't see it, he got pulled from the game. And his center fielder's looking out at the fans, and he throws the ball over the center fielder, the center

The center fielder thought it was like a ball hit. And Terry Francona, who is about that life, said get the fuck off the field right now. For anybody who doesn't know, Trevor Bauer is the pitcher for the Cleveland Indians. Yes. And Terry Francona is a seasoned clubhouse manager who does not put up with that crap. If any of you vaguely remember the name, you'll know him as the pitcher who had to be pulled early from a Jays playoff game because he was bleeding profusely because he caught himself on a drone. That's right.

Right? Yeah, so there was that. Yeah, but fuck you. You know, I'll never let you get to me. And then there's Strowman who just, height doesn't measure heart. Man, always got that calm mentality. Always got that cheesy Instagram quote, whatever. And I'm just like, dude, shut up.

Yeah. Listen, wicked guy. I loved watching him, bitch. I would, and having said all these things, I'd rather he be a Blue Jay today. Oh, yeah. I would rather. I can put up with that shit. What I can't play with is losing

And he wasn't losing I can put up with a lot of things I wasn't in that clubhouse So I don't know Sorry I've talked about this all day I wasn't in that clubhouse But all I know is he could pitch In the J-State pitchers

And he's not old So what the hell But just hearing that Imagine like The Leafs sign a guy Or just traded for a guy Imagine if Tyson Berry was like Yeah, well, you know, I wish I got traded to the Habs, but...

What?! Yeah. The next day?! Yeah. At all, but the next day?! I feel like Mets fans... Shut up! I feel like Mets fans are a bit like the Islanders fans.

They get outshone consistently by the other New York team, but they are probably some of the most passionate people with zero results. I'm telling you, it's your... Like, they get nothing, and yet they are there every game. Change from blue and orange. It's a bad combo. Stop it. By the way, what did you think of the Andre Vasilevsky deal?

11.6% of the cap, I believe. 11.6% of the cap is what he was signed for. Yeah, $9.5 million for eight years. Okay. Hope it works out for you. Like, it's to the point. It's funny. Like, we talk about, like, Mitch and how he wants, like, a five-year or whatever.

And I'm like, oh, I don't know. And then they announced a big money signing for eight years. Boy, that's a lot of money for eight years. And when it's your goalie, it's tough. And it doesn't kick in until next season. No, this year he makes three and a half. It's weird that they signed it so early. Well, because if he wins another Vezina.

He's not going to get more than 9.5, I don't think. He could ask for what Bobrovsky got, which is more than that. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I was gonna say I think it's the same deal He'd get even if he has a great season. No, I don't wait and see if he has a good season Well, yeah, we've seen so many cases. We're like dude the season drew Dowdy had last year Like I think he's a good defenseman, but Jesus Lord that guy is making 11 million dollars kicking in this year I can't wait till he's a leaf in four years. Mm-hmm in four. No, that would be a disaster Disaster.

They've retained salary. Hi, do you want the most expensive slash worst years of my career? No. It's going to happen. Also official right now, 95% of the Arizona Coyotes have been sold again to a billionaire named Alex Morello. Andrew Berraway, who's the current owner, will retain 5%. And I guess we're going to hear from him at a local media press conference next week.

But essentially, he is committed to keeping hockey in the desert. And there will be a press conference Thursday. How many times have we heard that? I know. Is he rich? Yeah, he's a billionaire, so it doesn't matter. Is he one of those guys, like, does money matter to him? Don't think so.

No. Okay, good. Don't think so. That's the kind of owner you want. Yeah. You don't want someone, oh, refinancing and having all these city meetings. He probably bought the team after they got Phil Kessel. He's like, I must have this team.

I must meet the man. Be a good selling point. Yeah, I think so. Do you want to do a quick press conference? The Steve Dangle Press Conference. This is from Rob with the hair. It's the most upvoted trivia question on our Reddit page. Oh, yes.

Three questions. One. Who currently on the Leafs has the most points as a Leaf? Hmm. Currently on the Leafs has the most points as a Leaf. You can combine your heads and pick one player. Morgan Rielly. I was going to say Morgan Rielly.

Morgan Rielly is correct. Who? on the Leafs has the most penalty minutes as a Leaf. As a Leaf? That's a tough one. It's probably still Morgan Rielly. No?

Let me think here. Jake's gone. Naz is gone. Because Naz would have been my answer, right? That one's really been a leaf for very long. Yeah. I don't think it's Morgan Rielly, though. The only guy who, I mean, Zach Hyman?

I don't think so, though. Adam, you can't look it up. No, I'm not looking it up. I'm not looking it up. Were you looking it up? No, I was not looking it up. Oh, okay. I say Morgan.

Yeah, I'll go with Morgan Rielly. Zach Hyman. Oh! Shit. All right. Who has the best plus minus as a leaf? It would have been Ron Hainsey. But it's not

Austin Matthews Morgan Riley Zach Hyman No What Yeah He's plus 40 Well there you go

Don Cherry loves that Damn Well two seasons Of playing with Austin And then One of JT Put yourself in that position To succeed

But Shit Which team And it's AHL affiliate Have the most distance Between them Straight line, not roads. And would the bus ride from the AHL City to the NHL City take more or less than 37 hours?

I think it is. Oh, boy. It's either Vancouver to Utica or Winnipeg to. No, it's not St. John's anymore. I'm going to say Vancouver to Utica. Correct answer. Yeah. There was no way I was getting that one.

It's a 44-hour trip. Oh my god, yeah, I was going to say more than 37, because that's the right answer. Damn, Steve, that was very impressive. There we go. Thank you, thank you. Well, because the trend is teams are moving their affiliate closer and closer, and that's still the one outlier, like opposite sides of the friggin' world. It's because Francisco Aquilini is like, you know what?

I'm going to live-tweet this game. Yeah. Yeah, FoxtrotGolfSierra16 writes, Okay. Finally had some downtime, so I just finished reading your book. Loved it. Aww. That's nice.

Thanks for reading my book. Thanks, man. That was funny. Thank you. Is that James Reimer's Reddit? MattNormous writes, I'm unable to discuss my press conference question for free. So Matt Normans is James Murdoch

Shut up James You missed a brilliant opportunity To get back at James for that by the way Because he was asking for a signed copy of your book And you've been like sorry it's behind a paywall Oh I did I said what you got a credit card Oh nice that's good

You know a lot of people make comments about that And I had a few people in my family come up to me this week And go man it was really annoying to hear that And I can understand the paywall thing I can understand the perspective. You know, there's a lot of people who are not athletic subscribers, and a lot of people who are like, well, what the hell, I'm used to getting this for free,

and I get you on that. But you have to understand that there's proprietary information. There's a reason the athletic exists and is successful. And if James came on this show, not affiliated with the athletic, and gave all that shit away, what is he, as a manager of Canadian hockey, which is what he does, and I believe he manages Canadian hockey for the whole... I think he's just all NHL.

All NHL. Oh, is he all NHL? I think so. So how responsible is that? And he's probably trying to pull all of his reporters back from giving too much away, right? That's probably his daily job. And there was an article that came out just before the podcast that The Athletic has finally hit 500,000 subscribers. Wow.

Yeah. Paid subscribers. That is... Listen, if it sucked, it wouldn't be that. Yeah. So it's obviously good. Yeah, and I don't... The other thing I don't get is...

So I think why it works. The other main reaction I saw from last week was the outrage over the athletic charging at all. And I think that comes from a fundamental. There's a couple of things happening there. First off, people have less free money than ever. Right. Less expendable cash than they've had in a long, long time. And I understand that.

Right. People are making about the same as they did 30 years ago. And yet everything, the cost of everything has gone up. Salaries have stayed the same. Totally understand that. but you have a service you must charge for that service

they charge I think is it four bucks a month? well if they do like a 40% off sale every two weeks the thing is that like listen I don't work for them I don't need to tell you what a good deal is or a bad deal is but I can tell you

I've never been upset with my subscription I really enjoy it and for you to get angry over people making some money the fact is media is shrinking guys it's not good like it's we're in serious shit and i don't i don't think people understand that it takes all sorts and like i mean people i can just tell you straight up people from within the sports industry are cheering for the athletic yeah like just because we want to see someone succeed if it works it's nice to hear a good story it's nice to hear like a company that's growing yes yes you know what i mean so anyway

And I'm proud of the company I work for. I think we do friggin' amazing work. Not every company can do what Rogers does. No. Like, it's an enormous... Same with Bell. ...company, and same with Bell, and who else? Right?

Like, I talked about this in the book a little bit. When I was in school, there were these two giant trees that you could be a little sports squirrel in, or there were all these other trees, and... All the other trees are gone. During the recession, there was a lot of deforestation going on, and the score got absorbed, and this site got absorbed, and that site got absorbed, and, you know, it sucks to write for free. Although, like, listen, I still recommend it.

A lot of people get their neck up about it. Okay, no one said you had to do it. You know, just for anyone who's willing, I'm sure it'll help you. Well, the whole thing about writing is practice makes perfect. Yeah. So, okay, do it. yourself and then don't release it. I don't care. There was a point in which nobody would have paid me

to go on a radio for them. Right? Because I sucked. So I had to do it for free. And then I was good enough and they're like, okay, we'll pay you now. That's how it works a lot of the time. People get take advantage of and granted, I get that. I've seen it. Me too. I've seen it.

I dare say I have been taken advantage of. Sure. Sure. No one said it was fair. But with the athletic, it works. It works. It is working. And they're paying talented people to do great stuff.

And that's awesome. Yeah, it would shrink and fail if it sucked. Yeah. It obviously does not. Yeah. They made the announcement today that they officially passed 500,000 subscribers. That's from Bloomberg. Hey, good for them.

I know. I can't say that. And you know, mostly because we know a few people. I'm usually that guy. And amazing because we know people there. And personally, we are personally rooting for them. I'm happy for them. It's good.

No, I hope they all get to... Oh, they all fail and get fired. Yeah. And have to go back for logging for free in their basements on Blogspot. Anyway, guys, really great show for Midsommar, I think. What do you think? Friggin' great show. Did you...

You know, the fact is that we still talked about baseball in this, and so I love that you've done three and a half, maybe four hours on baseball total, and I just think that's a record for you, and I think that ought to be applauded. Tonight I've got to dangle snipe Sally and get her to play at Instructional League. I got stoned last week and was pissed, so I've got to redeem myself this week. There you go. I've got a couple of Genos. I don't play Instructional League to get apples.

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