The Steve Dangle Podcast - Everybody Gets Signed | October 7, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 great moves there steve i like that i just want to apologize yeah for anybody that uh anybody that isn't watching we are in our second studio but it is called studio three is it not yes studio three we're in studio one we're in the exposed brick studio yeah we saw we saw Caller Daddy had Kamala Harris, and we got jealous. Yeah, we're like, hey, we have leather chairs and fake plants, too. We want to do the podcast. Yeah. I want five million weekly downloads, which is what they're getting.

Starting point is 00:00:40 Is that what they have? They have five million. Five million. One of the biggest podcasts in the world, man. You ever think about how we suck? Well, all the time. I'm reminded of it, actually, all the time. So, you know, listen, we're going to hang out in here and have a cozy time.

Starting point is 00:00:52 And I just want to remind you that we are a couple days out from Greta, from the Steve Dangle official Rants and Raves book launch party. Yeah. Are we feeling good about it? I'm just, I'm very nervous.

Starting point is 00:01:05 Yeah? I'm nervous about everything. I'm not usually nervous. Well, because you're going to actually hold the book and people are going to be able to read the book in front of you and go,

Starting point is 00:01:12 this, I can now determine whether this sucks or not. I know. Which part are you nervous about? People reading it? All of it. Just all of it.

Starting point is 00:01:19 No, you know what? The beginning of the season is always a nervous time. because i don't know why this is a very irrational thought but every first lfr of the season i'm like what if i've forgotten how to do it so this year i decided to do it in front of hundreds of people that's good and uh yeah so you'll be there for a live lfr taping how about that um yeah no there's a lot going on we're also doing the sdp obviously at greta and it's a huge arcade bar it's a blast uh you can find tickets uh in the description and tickets will be available at the door as well

Starting point is 00:01:50 but a ton of tickets have sold which is spectacular we're so excited to see you there and again you'll be able to buy get your copy of Steve Dangle's Rants and Raves book number two yeah well football rants and raves I'm sure is next

Starting point is 00:02:05 well I am 4-1 in our fantasy football are you 4-1? I beat Justin by half a point oh my gosh I am 0-4 and it comes down tonight to my first overall pick Travis Kelsey who's been dog shit this year

Starting point is 00:02:23 if he if he gets me six points I win oh I need six points and he's done that yeah you guys think I'm good he's done that one time this year you're tight and should be able to get they're missing they're missing a couple key guys so he has to step up and make more catches yes I think he's

Starting point is 00:02:39 gonna be good fingers crossed on that one then I will be Taylor gonna be in the building you Taylor Swift I don't know I have not been paying attention to that I should I was paying I was playing football I woke up, I know, I woke up this morning just depressed because of the way the Steelers game ended. You didn't deserve that game. No.

Starting point is 00:02:56 I feel like. No. That's what I mean, though. Like, sometimes they. Like, he didn't deserve it. No, no. The Steelers didn't deserve it. The Steelers got outplayed a lot of the game.

Starting point is 00:03:05 They were bad. And then the entire power of the city of Pittsburgh went out a few hours before because it was raining so hard. Like, so the only power that was on was in the stadium. Oh. And they were asking fans, like, please stay in your seats or please stay. And fans are like, no, I'm going to get up and be on the concourse. Thanks very much. But the game was delayed an hour and a bit for a lightning storm.

Starting point is 00:03:27 For the lightning storm. That sounds terrible. You get good. You get real good thunderstorms in Pittsburgh. You get really good. It rains a lot. Humid. Very humid.

Starting point is 00:03:36 Anyway, long story short. Sounds like a place. Hey, Easter Seals is up too. And by the way, guess what? You guys better watch out now. I'm going to be nipping at your heels because I got my Easter Seals page ready to go. And I'll probably out-funray Steve as I always do. It's available now?

Starting point is 00:03:49 It is available. It'll be in the description? Yes, that's right. It is up and it's available. And the schedule this week is going to be a little bit different. We've got, obviously, a show today. And then we're going to have a show Tuesday because we've got a show Wednesday at Greta. And so it really didn't make sense for us to do a show.

Starting point is 00:04:04 And Jesse probably wouldn't have been able to make it and edit it in time. We've got to edit the show and all that fun stuff. When are we recording VIP? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah. We're doing Monday, Tuesday. There will be a live show Wednesday.

Starting point is 00:04:16 vip friday morning and then friday midday we will record uh our typical friday show going into thanksgiving and audio listeners the western and eastern conference audio feeds of just all the videos compiled together are available this week too so you're really getting like you're pretty episode oh yeah seven yeah oh my god yeah plus vip yeah so it's a content rich week as we like to call it and it's gonna be lots of fun so i think we need to get to our very first which is the bet mgm big story real canadian superstore has everything you need this back to school season save on lunchbox savers like ziggy's sliced le me products for always 375 and get life brand pure vita shampoo or conditioner for eight dollars each at real canadian superstore when you're ready

Starting point is 00:05:02 we're ready with a whole world and more hear that it's your money calling it wants a promotion elevate your savings with the scotia high interest savings account always earn high regular interest rates that grow the more you save and invest conditions apply visit scotiabank.com slash hisa to learn more scotia bank you're richer than you think so the toronto maple leafs made three signings today um two expected not one of them not uh so so the two expected ones are max patcher ready who's gonna get around 850 grand and he's gonna get six hundred thousand dollars in bonuses uh and then this is great i found out about this as i was walking in the door i don't know the cap and then steven lorenz here i can i could pull

Starting point is 00:05:54 them up here these like these literally just happen oh so next year we get to worry about cap overages yes we do that's a new like storyline we do awesome so uh let me pull it up here how fun it's super fun so the so then lorenz is going to make about league men and then kade weber has signed an extension at 825 000 for two years two years which kicks in i believe next year that's right because he's on his first year it was a one-year deal with with toronto when he signed it when he was traded so he's like refi because marshall refi who may not be a leaf actually at the time at the time we released this episode he might get claimed off waivers yeah uh he has an extension that kicks in next so here's here's what's going on patch ready signs the one-year

Starting point is 00:06:39 deal with the leafs it's worth 873 770 dollars with an additional 626 230 dollars in games played bonuses he attended training camp on a pto that's uh a tweet from chris johnson kyle cushman front of the show said leafs are cap compliant by one dollar with these moves after signing patch ready and lorenz one dollar you got to send easton cowan down which we expected uh s-o-i-r minton minton is injured season opening yeah i are uh connor doer who's got at least six weeks before he's going to really start skating and practicing and playing again and then on ltir yarn croak hawk and paw and dakota murmis and i don't think dakota murmis was going to make the team anyway but it is uh it is a it's something of note and yarn croak who did play and there's a lot of

Starting point is 00:07:29 people i thought he looked good too i thought he did too but he's been again he's been struggling apparently within a lower body and and that's been the the thing if vegas did this are we upset yeah and we're right but it's the leaf so we know they're being noble yeah yeah oh yeah yeah for sure absolutely what no it's what have they ever done anything nefarious i think with yarn broke he actually is injured and it's just that he's not 100 but if you're going to do ltir you got to be careful i was talking to somebody about this because it's got to be 10 games i was about to say it's a minimum minimum of uh yeah so he'll be out till like november that's right and you know if you're the toronto maple leaf and you're looking at the roster currently do you need

Starting point is 00:08:09 cali yarn croak to be playing games in october if he's fighting something you'll live you'll live yeah that doesn't make him not valuable i still i think he's extremely valuable i think it's just one of those where it's like it's october you'll live yeah this fan base is falling out with cali yarn croak is weird he's at least i i don't know i just think you're you're prioritizing the wrong guy i agree well there's several guys i put ahead of but it goes to our conversation last week we were talking about it's like well it's got to be one guy or the other guy they have figured out a way to put every guy in there the only guy that had to pass through waivers really if if marshall refi doesn't pass through which i think he will god i hope he does um is matt murray right that

Starting point is 00:08:52 one is interesting and apparently there's real worry there and they have the $100,000 bonus like they did with Martin Joe yeah I checked that and they've been trying to get the sympathy don't claim him because he's rehabbing and they say you want I have noticed that he wants to rehab continues rehab in Toronto with

Starting point is 00:09:08 them and so they're trying to put that out hey this guy who played like I don't know two or three games in the preseason he's still hurt yeah I've seen I've seen a lot of fellas I have a hard time believing he gets claimed yeah me because it's $100,000 bonus like yesterday today this reeks so it has to they have to pay it today this reeks of spezza going on

Starting point is 00:09:27 waivers and just going i'll retire yeah i don't even care i'm not even showing up even if there's a fire i'm not doing it i uh and then he played for like two more and i just i just want to say that uh cj stuck up from my point of view in the group chat about matt murray's play because when he has played he's been good oh you're on the i like matt murray bandwagon i am happy listen i am not i i know we got a lot of shit for it because joseph wall played 60 minutes on saturday but i'm i'm hearing and seeing things that lead me to believe he's not 100 healthy who's this joseph wall and i think we're gonna see matt murray even though wall played 60 minutes 60 minutes how many times a week do you need to play i was happy about that and i got a lot about it

Starting point is 00:10:11 thrilled about it we we got some pushback to uh to a clip from last show i it's valid that your starting goal he played half an hour in five games to start the preseason yeah and also reporters are like oh i didn't like how he looked at practice today look kind of i don't know i just feel like that's worthy of note i'm not saying the world's on fire but he played he played great and i thought he looked great and that's awesome and so but hooray but here's the thing rejoice that's so good if one of them has has a maintenance day or whatever i really like matt murray coming up and and giving it a shot we so the discussion we had i don't think we're talking out of school talking about the discussion we had so jacob uh peltier from the calgary flames is on waiver

Starting point is 00:10:55 but once first round pick older injury pretty highly touted yeah he hasn't played a whole lot yeah over the past couple years and someone in the chat said well matt murray's uh matt murray in the 22-23 season was a league average goal that when it came to his save percentage and i'm like okay at the beginning of that season uh peltier was like a highly touted prospect like do you see how this is the same like okay it's great it's great the two seasons ago matt murray was league average that was two years the difference is that matt murray has won two stanley cups in 2017 or 16 and 17 yeah that's a long time ago man he was look i know he was good i was i saw it look at his numbers with the leafs they were fine they were fine which

Starting point is 00:11:46 yeah he would they were fine before the hip surgery but he was terrible and all he was terrible in ottawa like well yes yeah the ottawa was awful that was bad yeah well it wasn't quite What was last year's goalie in Ottawa? Anton Forsberg. It wasn't quite Corpus Allo bad, but it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. And I think ultimately the hip's been bothering him since junior. That's what we know.

Starting point is 00:12:12 That hip has always been a problem. Now he's got it fixed. I don't hate him as the third stringer. Goalies just exist in pain. Yes, they do. If he's the third stringer, yeah. What do you expect out of your third string goalie? But if the expectation is Matt Murray starting for the Leafs in the playoffs

Starting point is 00:12:28 because he had such a good third string. No, no, no, no, that's bad. Let's back up here. I'm not expecting that. Let me say this. Ultimately, the Leafs goaltending situation, I think, is like in terms of the whole organization, is probably the best it's been in a long time.

Starting point is 00:12:44 Woll and Stollers, two goalies I trust wholeheartedly. Who's going to be the starter? I don't give a damn. It's October, whatever the hell. um your third stringer is either a potentially resurgent matt murray or dennis hildeby cool how tall is dennis hildeby six seven every time i spat yeah i feel like this is like a good thing yeah okay so who's the third string goalie on the dallas star okay that's a real and then who'd they get as the backup this year it was wedgewood i don't remember you know what

Starting point is 00:13:20 the answer is it doesn't matter because it's so inconsequential to the success of the team going into the season you're not like you know what make or break the season because of the third string goalie that's it's a matt murray's such an afterthought yes it actually kind of stuck if he got claimed because i think there's some depth there in goaltending you got four decent goaltenders so that's the only reason you talk about matt murray but in terms of like the leafs in this season he's such an afterthought you want to you want a vet down there yeah you want to well ideally a vet who can play NHL games like Hildeby I think is going to be a good NHL there's no one evidence of that he's 20 and he's 23 and I think it's important that a lot of goalies

Starting point is 00:14:01 look at Jeremy Swayman a lot of goalies don't hit it till they're 24 25 26 and so if you have a vet who can balance you out a little bit when things get tough I think the Marlies should be better this year but they were not bloody hope they look pretty good yeah yeah but he's still you know i'm looking at hildeby's number he had 41 games last year 913 safe all-star all right ahl that's great yeah um at the the the bigger and i think more important story than the leafs third stringer nah um nah this is it jesse this is everything i respect i respect that you brought it back to where it needed to be jesse because you're right um the leafs dressed a lineup versus the detroit Red Wings, that very clearly

Starting point is 00:14:42 looked like this is going to be the team with the exception of Jake McCabe, who's also fighting something. And Robertson. And Robertson. Because he played a lot. Yeah, and we know that Berube sees Robertson actually as a bigger piece. He is abusive in his brain. There's no justification

Starting point is 00:14:58 for not putting him in the starting lineup. Right. He'll be playing. We already have the storylines of this is the first time in his career that he's starting at the NHL. They've already been written. He's playing. He's starting on Wednesday. Two interesting facts about the Toronto Maple Leafs versus the Detroit Red Wings, October 5th, 2024.

Starting point is 00:15:14 And again, it's a Saturday night preseason game. How do you know it's a preseason game? Because TSN has it on a Saturday night, right? Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, they had a Saturday night TSN game, and people were like, is this the way it's going to be? No, it's not. Now, they dressed one person under the height of six feet,

Starting point is 00:15:34 and that would be Max Domi. Everybody else was six feet tall, listed as, or higher. Now, we know the NHL fudges, things like that, but all the same, that is not a Toronto Maple Leafs roster that a couple of years ago you would have registered. And I was reading an article this weekend on not the defenseman we're about to talk about, but another one who's caught in an organizational transition. Topi Niemele, who is 5'9". And good. And good. Very good.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Good puck mover. but this organization very clearly look at let me run you through uh simone benoit six four olive reckman larson six two philip myers six five morgan riley six one chris tanev they have him at six two and a half why the half uh and connor timmons also at six two and a half um and jake mccabe's also over when did they start putting the hats in i have never seen that before jesse but that's the official one that they posted on the leafs website how about that i'm five ten and a half, but I just say 5'10", because I don't want to sound like I'm...

Starting point is 00:16:38 No, no, no. I'm like, I'm practically six foot. Right, you're stretching for that. I don't want to be one of those. I don't want to be one of those. And so, I... Round up or down. Just be one or the other. Like, don't be difficult about this. But,

Starting point is 00:16:53 but anyway, Topi Niemela may not, well, we don't know what his future is here, because it's difficult to see a lineup that looks like this, and then Topi Niemela. at five nine so okay on the back end i suppose it's a little bit different um but like gradual living despite liking i'm far more concerned about him liking older players than i am him liking big players but like i'm not concerned about it i think it's actually a good

Starting point is 00:17:22 yeah yeah oh yeah it's nice it would be nice not to get our asses kicked but like people are talking about um people are talking about it like that's all he does and like you know unfortunately he passed recently but like johnny gaudreau came into stardom with the calgary flames under brad travolta max domey is 510 yeah like i get it marcus stroman once said height doesn't measure heart right and then was a pitcher and it really doesn't matter and then blocked everyone and got upset at everyone that's right but i was there for the comeback game and it was pretty cool um like yeah i'm i'm glad they're bigger i i don't think anyone should paint it as a bad thing i also don't i think it's way too much of a generalization to mean toby niamal is cooked well it wasn't he's

Starting point is 00:18:13 not here anymore and that wasn't the article and toby niamal's got a very positive attitude about it too he's quoted in it like it's good josh i think it was josh chloe pokey who did it for the athletic but it's a good article you should check it out but it is it is something for somebody like that where do i sit in this organization now right and and i think that's really really interesting the guy that really should be concerned this morning is now considered according to jonah siegel eight on the least depth chart in terms of defensemen and that is timothy lilligrant and if jake mccabe is not playing wednesday night well we're at greta against the montreal canadians it's not going to be um it's not going to be uh uh connor timmons

Starting point is 00:18:54 that moves up to play next to Oliver Ackman-Larsen. Connor Timmons, who is above Timothy Lilligren, it's going to be Philip Myers who will play next to Oliver Ackman-Larsen. Philippe? Philippe Myers, excuse me. This is, this is, you like a new coach who comes in and shakes things up. That makes things exciting. And then he does it and we sort of go, oh, I'm not sure about that.

Starting point is 00:19:17 I don't think I could have predicted Connor Timmons make, I was so on the, Connor Timmons is not long for this team. He's been talking about him like a dead man all summer. Yeah. And now it sounds like he's going to be on the Leafs for a month. At least a month. Might have been the guy that showed up at the St. Catherine's Bar with his Coyotes jersey. That's right.

Starting point is 00:19:36 Right? His actual Connor Timmons Coyotes jersey. Brought him good luck. But Connor Timmons, good for him. I mean, he had a good preseason last year and then got injured and then just never fully got into the lineup. And I don't think Keefe ever trusted him. No.

Starting point is 00:19:48 And I think when you look at what Connor Timmons has done, Philippe Myers is also very interesting just because he's a free agent signing and has played NHL games, but nobody really paid much attention to him. The fact that those guys, with their style of play, are in, you know, I would have put Lilligren in next to a Simon Benoit. But they got caved together last year. And Connor Timmons, for $2 million less, is he two million dollars less the player no he's not like there are people that are making that

Starting point is 00:20:21 argument online by the way that's fine like i just i disagree i disagree respectfully like justin bourne kind of kind of buried him really great yeah on um i think i think it was the fifth game of the preseason the second last one um do you want him out there with the lead no do you want him out there uh to defend the lead no what do you have him out there for he doesn't really kill penalty like in these like he doesn't do the simple yeah he does he kills penalty but like and their penalty kill was in the bottom third of the lane yes exactly like oh we need david camp on the penalty kill oh the penalty kills shit oh maybe we don't yeah well and then it was good this preseason with lane lambert told you freaking told you but like it comes down to

Starting point is 00:21:10 he doesn't do the simple things well and that was another thing they highlighted on on the show and like you don't you flatly don't need this player could he go somewhere else and be great absolutely i have no doubt like someone someone tweeted i can't remember who it was they're like he's gonna get wave gonna be gus forsling and the next day he's gonna wake up as rasmus anderson like he's gonna like take any underrated european right-handed defenseman in the league and he's gonna wake up as that but like it's sometimes a player does really great things and a team just doesn't gel with them and you're like why don't they see it i don't understand why they don't jared mckay and he didn't oh my god that's a very good example i'm so upset still upset about it

Starting point is 00:22:02 this is an example of a guy who if he breaks out somewhere else he didn't show it here right he didn't show it in a nearly high enough percentage of his games and like if it turns out oh you got to play him in the top four because he can't play a bottom pair role your team needs a bottom pair what are you talking about he doesn't do enough things well consistently to not be replaced by like a journeyman defender making league men that's sad and and and by the way philip myers and I'm speaking specifically about him, even Connor Timmons in this, but Philip Myers' play style is very different.

Starting point is 00:22:43 Philip, excuse me. He's from Moncton. I can't tell if it's French or if it's English because he's got a French first name and an English last name, and it's the only bilingual province in the entire nation. When I see the double P-E at the end. Okay, Philippe.

Starting point is 00:22:56 Philippe. Okay, Philippe. It also sounds better. Philippe Myers is a completely different play style than Timothy Lewis. Simple. and interesting though guys that the guy that could not simplify his game could not do the the simple plays you saw flashes of brilliance couldn't do the simple plays all of a sudden

Starting point is 00:23:19 this year is nick robertson yeah and it's it's the coach saying to nick robertson about nick robertson in the press openly he's doing the simple things right and that was what kept him out of the lineup with Keith was like he'd do he'd do an extra couple like woo at his own blue line and give the puck away as long as you don't do that shit the other stuff is there and that's where I think those two guys coming into camp completely I would say the same trajectory in the sense that you got to establish yourself you got it you got to establish yourself it's a new coach coach it's a new life whatever Robertson is coming and gone what do you need from me cool I'll do it yep my only thing with lilligren is that for a team that's a dollar within the salary yeah

Starting point is 00:24:03 they better not have three million dollars sitting in the press box all season long well if you're gonna not play him move him he's gonna play he's gonna play i'm confident and i think he has to play for them to move him i was talking to kevin papetti and michael amato on on twitter yesterday and michael's like you know they should trade him and i think they're right like you know you want to get the three million off the books i think you're right yeah but the problem is this time a year there are no good trades you get not really nobody makes a good trade and i don't think it's because teams don't have needs i think it's because general managers are scared i really think there might be a big trade today and we're gonna miss well but as of right now what history

Starting point is 00:24:40 if there are no good trades then you got to use him yeah you know you have to use low he's still useful like i think if the cap hit was less we'd be talking about him completely differently but because he's at he wanted to deal and there are people who are less than him and ahead of him in the depth start he he's out uh he's out of the rotation but i think they have to use them to move them here so here's here's kind of how i look at it uh new coach obviously the preseason was six games long and we talk about how we need to shorten here's what's funny it's sort of continuing except now the games count pontus holmberg doesn't have an everyday spot in the lineup nick robertson doesn't necessarily have an everyday spot in the lineup he's been playing well

Starting point is 00:25:25 starts playing crap he'll sit all of a sudden doer is going to come back eventually and yarn croak's going to come back eventually and lilligran's on the outside looking in he could play himself into a position where he's on the inside look it out and timmons is in the the mix all of a sudden and myers is in the mix all of a sudden and max pacioretty has over 600 grand to play for and lorenz you know and then reeves was scratched a bunch last year and it's looking like bobby mcmahon is on the outside looking in for opening night really yeah he didn't have a good preseason that's that's luke fox is that he said it's worth noting two maple leafs free signings timothy lilligren and bobby mcmahon both healthy are projected outside of the opening night lineup

Starting point is 00:26:11 and i think he's a very very very good i think he is too and he'll play himself back in he'll play himself back in nice patches robertson and who am i missing would be the fourth one on the left side yeah uh nice domey patch ready lorenz oh yeah oh lorenz yeah if lorenz is not center nice so where's robertson playing robertson they're they switching to the right side right side oh the right side and i think we talked about that wrong all summer yeah like oh yeah i know he's gonna compete for a left no no yeah this is this is all this is throwing me off because nobody would have expected bobby mcmahon not to be in the lineup based on the way he played there is that um also recovering from an injury yeah so that probably screwed up his offseason um and robertson

Starting point is 00:26:55 this preseason we saw a score from every spot in the head yeah and do things that we've never seen him do before like strip puck stop guy and i get it's preseason and you don't want to get too hyped on your guys like every year we follow there's a preseason darling i've decided no i'm gonna do it I want to get on the Nick Robertson hype train. I was on it last year. I think the guys had 20-plus goals for this year, minimum. Do you have Willie at center there? No.

Starting point is 00:27:22 So they have moved off that experiment, quote-unquote, for now. I'm going to lose my shit. I know. They didn't give it enough of a try. I'm reserving judgment. I'm waiting until Wednesday and the actual game to be played. but if it if it's not Matthews Nylander Tavares I think there's a case to just be really upset the athletic whole experience I talked about it this weekend and they said it's probably

Starting point is 00:27:49 over for now but they're gonna go back to it I think that's what they said I'm waiting I'm waiting till Wednesday okay all right a lot a lot has to happen number one if they're great then I don't know do we really need to complain about it yes yeah you're probably right yeah probably right i'm gonna i'm gonna read every quote that we talked about you're right you're right oh my god if holmberg stinks in that role yeah they then they got to go back to the one two so but then my next question is back to it the thing they've never done yeah you're right you're so right and please stop telling me that max domi is going to be center he's he's a top six forward on this team he's going to be a he's going to be a winger and that's okay yeah but my

Starting point is 00:28:31 thing is you can have you can it's not it's not ideal because you're I mean actually can you can you read the lineup you have so here's and I'll tell you where the issue is so now let's let everyone keep guessing nice Matthews Marner nice Matthews Marner Domi Tavares Nylander that's kind of interesting

Starting point is 00:28:48 yeah because because I think Nylander's a good he's such a good finisher and it's underrated for it patch ready Holmberg Robertson Lorenz comp Reeves and I'm going left wing to right wing their left wing center right if i'm not mistaken patch ready holmberg uh robertson had some success together let me say something let me say something the issue i think is okay so you move kneelander

Starting point is 00:29:13 to center who's his right wing i know well i'd put domey on on the right side because that's he was on the right side of matthew then who's his left wing tavaris no i think you have tavaris the third line center yeah I don't know if I'd put patches there this is gonna be so I think that they don't have the winger depth I think if McMahon's not playing up to his standard I don't know I think part of the issue is that Nylander is such a good winger if you are you gonna put him with I mean it's a lot to put on Nick Robertson to move into that role if Bobby McMahon isn't up to snuff or he's still injured or whatever Yarncroak's not in the lineup like there's a lot okay if you move

Starting point is 00:29:54 Nylander over then what do you do on the wings with him how are you supporting him like look at Pedersen with Vancouver in the playoffs last year they rebuilt

Starting point is 00:30:01 this summer that second line so he would have somebody to pass to they were playing guys with him that had like 10 games of NHL experience

Starting point is 00:30:09 in the second round you just can't do that which is something they did to Matthews a bunch of times for some reason and this is what I'm saying is Nylander is trying

Starting point is 00:30:16 this position out if he's trying this position out you have to have Tavares off that line because you don't want the coach to be like Like, fuck it, just put John in.

Starting point is 00:30:24 Well, maybe. I don't know. And Tavares moving down. I love a Tavares, Pacioretty, Robertson line. I hope it happens. Not happening right now. The main takeaway from today should be this team is hard to make. And I'm not going to lie.

Starting point is 00:30:41 Like, a lot of people are focusing on the bonus overage for next year with Pacioretty. Yeah, whatever. That's going to be a hard $600,000 for him to get. like there's the health aspect of it all which is difficult but like are we expecting bobby mcmahon to be a healthy scratch for nearly half the games do we know the requirement i think frank had it i'm gonna ask you know what he has to hit for to get those bonuses it was 34 five six games i haven't seen it i'm looking at it looking at 10 games played 313 35 games played 330 games oh so he

Starting point is 00:31:16 That's the Bergeron. Okay. Yeah. And what were the other ones? 10 and 30 games. 35, excuse me. And they're both worth $313,115. You'll hit 35 games.

Starting point is 00:31:27 You'll hit 10 for sure. 35 is actually going to be somewhat of a challenge. No. We hit 49 last year with Washington. Yeah. Yeah. And he's on a deeper team. He is on a deeper team.

Starting point is 00:31:37 He's on a way deeper team. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. But I think the Nylander thing is more of an issue of if you're going to Introduce this guy at center, and you're going to have him play second-line minutes. My question is, do you have him play second-line minutes? Are we making a mistake in having Nylander on the second line? You put him down to the third line.

Starting point is 00:31:58 He makes 11.5. Put him with Pacioretty and Robertson, and just outmatch the shit on third lines on other teams. I don't know about that. Also, it's not happening. They're playing Willie on the wing. Yeah. And I'm wondering, too, at this lineup, how long before Max Domi's playing with Matthews again?

Starting point is 00:32:17 Because there was lightning there. And I know that they like to put Mitch and Austin together, but boy, that looked good last year. It's Nye's spot. I think Nye's earned a run at that, and Mitch is obviously his buddy. But I wonder if Nye's would take Bertuzzi's spot. I'm thinking Domi back over to the right wing.

Starting point is 00:32:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Domi over to the right wing. Where does Mitch go? Yeah, where does Mitch go? Well, if Nylander's playing center, Mitch and... No, but Nylander's not playing center. But what if he did? See?

Starting point is 00:32:46 You're a mad scientist. You're not seeing it. You're making up your own lines right now. Then all of a sudden, that hole at right wing is plugged. You've got Nylander playing with somebody he can legitimately make magic with. Domi Matthews-Nyes is, how different is that Domi Matthews-Bertuzzi, which was the line going into the playoffs last night? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:03 And so if you look at, you push Mitch down, you put Nylander with him, so they've got legitimate guys to really, really play with. I don't know who you have in the left wing spot. Tavares between Pacioretty and Robertson. I don't know. It doesn't seem that bad. That sounds awesome. But that's not reality because they continually try William Nylander at

Starting point is 00:33:21 center and say, we're doing this thing and we're committed to it. And then they don't do it. Okay. This is, that is true. This is a condition. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:31 This is actually an affliction that it's great. Now we can talk about awareness that affects too many hockey fans, especially at this time of year. People are very prone to it. It's called DTV. Down to Buck? Daily Face-Off Tunnel Vision. Where we look at the roster on that website and we go,

Starting point is 00:33:52 this is it! This is it forever! Why are they doing this and only this? And, like, Craig Berube could five minutes into the first period of the first game be like, nah. Well, that's why I'm like, let's have an open mind because I don't know enough about Craig and this team. Like, his combo with this team.

Starting point is 00:34:10 You know him well enough to call him Craig. First name basis. Excuse me. That's what I'm saying. Wait till Wednesday. Wait till Wednesday. Let's see how the first game plays because Sheldon Keefe is the king of that. Where, hey, the puck has been dropped.

Starting point is 00:34:24 All the lines are in a blender. You don't know who's going to be thrown out with who at whatever moment of the guys are on the ice or the time of the game. So let's wait till they play a game and see what it actually is. Process. Process. We're driven by the process. What's that? We're down by one.

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Starting point is 00:37:30 Tomorrow's a waiver show. Yeah, whoever gets claimed and whatever. So there are going to be things on this show that you're like, well, they missed that. Well, of course, because we had to go early. Tomorrow, we're actually recording a little bit later than we normally do, so we'll have a bunch of news things

Starting point is 00:37:42 and we'll have waivers, we'll have all that. So that's actually a really good thing. Now, I want to mention this. I mentioned Connor Dewar's six weeks away from really skating, potentially playing in two months. He's six weeks away from being six weeks away. Yeah, probably.

Starting point is 00:37:54 Yanni Hockenpah, the asking around, the consensus seems to be at least two to three months. But he is skating. And these are NHL players. And so I don't know. But I did ask a few people, like, any idea? They're like, no.

Starting point is 00:38:09 No fucking clue. I'm on board with all of this as long as they're a good regular season. And I think they will be. Yes. I think if Wall is healthy, there's an if there. I'm sorry, internet.

Starting point is 00:38:20 You don't have to like it, but there is an if. and if Stoller's to be fair this is new yeah all the concerns about the

Starting point is 00:38:28 yeah he's never been hurt what are we doing everyone like okay but I want to say that I think Stoller's being

Starting point is 00:38:34 Stoller's if he's if he's exactly what he was in Florida last year great goalie this is the best goalie they've had

Starting point is 00:38:39 since Freddie Anderson that's wait what about Stoller's if Stoller's is what he was last year and he plays

Starting point is 00:38:47 40 games tell me a goalie that has played for the Leafs that has been better If he is, if he replicates exactly. Campbell was great. Jack Campbell was fantastic.

Starting point is 00:38:57 People forget how good he was. He was great. Jack Campbell is ahead of that on the list. Yeah, he was really, really good. For a season. Okay, but that's not what you asked. Yeah. I'm talking about long-term here, gentlemen.

Starting point is 00:39:10 I know. Jack Campbell was here for a couple seasons. Yeah, he was. He was. And I love Jack. He was really, really good the one season. Yeah. And then the next season, it was like, he's great in October,

Starting point is 00:39:20 and he was terrible the rest of the year. The Leafs had him out-duel Carey Price and Andre Vasilevsky. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? He was great in the playoffs. It's not. It's not.

Starting point is 00:39:33 So I want to move on because there's a couple of things bubbling with different teams that we got to talk about. So first off, I want you to imagine the 2022 Toronto Maple Leafs. And I want you to imagine

Starting point is 00:39:44 the names Engvall Oh, sorry, sorry. Engvall and Justin Hall on waivers because they are. Even as of this recording, they still are uh we're expecting them both to pass through but let's start with pierre angvall

Starting point is 00:39:56 who to this day even even now people are tweeting about wait a second this guy's actually good and you guys are all dumb idiots um i'll tell you this when he was traded to the islanders even dubas was like okay fine because it was you guys that traded him you got a third round pick for him which is it's good value i think okay now with pierre angvall there is this this cardio merchant tag that's been floating around and I think it was Jay Fresh today that was saying well actually that's stupid that's not a that's not a real thing and I'm here to tell you sorry Jay Fresh we disagree on this respectfully it is and the Leafs had two of them Engvall and Kerfoot and what we talk about when we talk about these guys it's not to insult their games they're

Starting point is 00:40:38 fucking NHL players making millions of dollars they're great hockey they both belong in the NHL the point we had with the Leafs and their particular fit here and I think you're seeing it specifically with Engvall on the island is that you say I on the island is that okay you're okay

Starting point is 00:40:55 you can pass a puck in transition well you should be able to do that okay well you make zone x but well you should be able to do that

Starting point is 00:41:02 this is what I said about Lilligran it's not good enough to be okay at several things right it's the NHL yes and so I thought you'd

Starting point is 00:41:10 find it interesting every AHL team has a dozen guys you can watch any night and be like why isn't he in the show Because he can't do it all.

Starting point is 00:41:18 His transitions to the neutral zone are great. If they're not, he shouldn't be playing. Like, that is literally a top nine forwards role. And I want to run you by what Lou Lamorello said. Lou Lamorello, who signed him to this contract 15 months ago. Lou Lamorello. Seven years, three million bucks. Lou Lamorello would be the greatest GM of all time

Starting point is 00:41:37 if he never signed a seven-year deal. Just keep it to three. Sign eight, sign six, no more seven. Keep it to three years. Yeah, three years. Do that. He said, I think what happens, simplistically, is that he's a top six, top nine forward, and Maxim Sikpala?

Starting point is 00:41:55 I think it's Sikpala. Sikpala earned his way into that role, and basically, we have to make the best decisions for our lineup that we can put together. It's as simple as that. It's not that he did anything wrong, but he basically lost the job. He is not a bottom six player. And this is my thing with Engvall. Whoa.

Starting point is 00:42:11 He said- What? He said he's not a bottom six guy, meaning that his skill set for what he does. The problem with Engvall for me. Either he has to be in a top six role or he can't be in the line. Right. I understand what he's saying. Are you going to put Easton Cowan on the fourth line of the Toronto Maple Leafs?

Starting point is 00:42:27 Is he better than some of those guys? You're wasting the roster spot if he's in your bottom. Not what he's good at. And the problem with Engvall is that he wasn't good enough to be in the top six. And he wasn't diverse enough to play one of those bottom line roles. He was good on the penalty kill at times, but you saw him out there five on five. And it's, you know, hockey is so much more than just driving the corners. But when you drive into the corners and you go in head first and you win those puck battles, those often create the scoring chances.

Starting point is 00:42:58 And people are like, well, it's more than that. It's more than, sure, it's more than that. But when you don't do those things, what did the transition game matter? So what they're good coming through the neutral zone. If you can't create something when you get into the offensive zone, what the fuck are we talking about? so here's especially a top nine guy i i strongly disagree with with everyone's comparison of engvall to kerfoot oh i i don't think i think kerfoot's a different can of kettle of fish well now wait though i think engvall is probably a far more skilled player oh that's why the leafs

Starting point is 00:43:29 love him now loved him now wait though kerfoot is also a far better do you see the difference like engvall because he brings more to the table put him in different situations he doesn't make stupid decisions like he would you could put him anywhere in the lineup and he would he would there was a lot of busy nothing there there was but it wasn't necessary like busy nothing is better than the puck ending up in the back of your net or a penalty or something like that and i know he took the game six penalty put up but uh against the light in 2022 i remember engvall was an infuriating player because again six foot five every time he steps on the edge usually you know first second or third on the leafs in terms of weight in terms of straightaway speed

Starting point is 00:44:25 he might have been the fastest guy they had do we all remember his nickname the the nickname that the the team gave him what they gave the players on the leafs called engvall biscuit as in sea biscuit the racehorse because they would see this six foot five 225 pound thing gap galloping down the ice faster than anybody else they had him on a line with mckay and it was absurd how fast the two of them were at the suit like two guys who might win a straightaway race against mcdavid straight away is very different than overall skating and with the puck don't even get me started so fast so big for nothing he had an nhl shot uh but then you watch him play a little closer like pierre engvall helped me appreciate hockey sensible because i would watch what

Starting point is 00:45:23 everyone did and then i would watch what he did and he took the jankiest weirdest paths to the puck oh he's creative remark no he's inefficient is what he is no he's creative he's inefficient he's not in that box of yours the king of offensive zone penalties like oh yes that was really frustrating too yes yes like you're not good enough to be taking penalties like that and by the way you're not pushing the other team hard enough what i my issue with engvall was he was gigantic used none he was a zero percent body fat brilliant in great shape yeah and used none of it to physically impose his will on another team. No, but he'd grit his teeth at you.

Starting point is 00:46:00 You watch the big guys. He was the king of that. Yeah. Cross-chucking the grittiest... Oh, drop the gloves. Drop the gloves or piss off. Who did Matt and I say, oh, yeah, go me.

Starting point is 00:46:10 Oh, Pasternak. Yeah. Okay, yeah, go... Like, anybody could have said that to Engvall and he's not going to drop the gloves. And this is the issue. No. I'm not saying...

Starting point is 00:46:18 Word gets out, man. I think... I think first game you play him, you're like, oh, shit, that guy's kind of big. You watch it. And then after you do it enough times, you're like, he's not doing nothing. you watch a healthy

Starting point is 00:46:27 Tage Thompson. Tage Thompson makes room for himself. I'm talking about gigantic guys with tons of skill. Engvall's one of those guys.

Starting point is 00:46:33 He does have tantalizing skill. There's a reason they put hundreds of thousands of dollars and many, many years into his development and then just let him

Starting point is 00:46:40 go for a third round pick. There is something there, but it comes down to does the player want to use their God-given skill to do what's required?

Starting point is 00:46:50 And with Pierre Engvall, I have never seen him want to do what's required. He'll do the baseline of what is required to make a lineup. But when you talk about big situations, when you talk about not even big situations, you're talking about a random fucking Tuesday night against the Western Conference team. I never saw with him any sort of edge, any sort of real passion on the ice.

Starting point is 00:47:13 I'm like, man, this guy is a game breaker. He's using his skills to the best. You never, ever see it. And I'm sorry to everybody that looks at this in an analytical thing, because there has to be a middle ground here. There are players, and I am pro analytics all the way, have been for 10 years, and I always have to say that, but there are players who are going to look great on a graph, who are going to look great on a spreadsheet, who are going to look great in this stuff, and then you're going to see them on the ice, and you're going to go, yeah, it doesn't work. And I'll tell you, the publicly available shit, and it's important to remind people of this, the publicly available shit that we have access to is not even a tenth of a 1% of what the NHL teams have. Their analytics are in-depth, and they would tell you that a guy like this is not doing what the Islanders, who can't fucking score.

Starting point is 00:48:02 Multiple coaches. Multiple. Cannot score. The Islanders cannot score. They cannot score. And they're like, you know what, Pierre? Thanks. But no thanks.

Starting point is 00:48:11 And he was good when he started there. And I'm like, well, who's shot? Really, who's shot? Because he needed to be. He just got traded. He still needs to be. Wow. And it's gone.

Starting point is 00:48:21 He said it right. It sounds like the way you guys are going off on Pierre Engel. It sounds like there's a lot of built-up rage from the 2022. Oh, and before. Because I was sold a bill of goods. That was not true. And the dubious era of the league. That's how I feel.

Starting point is 00:48:37 The rage comes from, like, you take Joe Schmo. like some random player he comes in and he's i don't know 5 11 6 foot buck 85 average speed average shot average you know he doesn't make a ton of great decisions doesn't make a ton of bad ones he's meh in every sense of the word you don't speak about him doing poorly with this kind of passion engvall i look at it and i'm like you're you're fumbling the the the jeans bag like yes yeah yeah look at me look at me look at how much i could never be pierre engvall and you're wasting pierre engvall pierre look at you like he is the the kind of player you used to say somebody needs to like piss in his cornflakes no no that was me that was me with freddie goche oh freddie goche

Starting point is 00:49:36 who could do some of the similar things wasn't as gifted of a skater you know didn't have engvall's gifts but i would every every i would you know there's certain limitations within the cap so i would just hire someone to every every time he leaves the house just run up to him with a big bottle of mustard and fuck up his shirt and uh you know get a job at the local chipotle and fuck up his order every time and just make him angry. Just make him fucking... If you put Ryan Lomberg

Starting point is 00:50:10 or Michael Pezzetta's tenacity inside Pierre Engvall, he'd have 50 fucking goals. Yes. But he, like, I hate your uncle's saying of he could go into a corner with a carton of eggs

Starting point is 00:50:23 and none of them... They called him eggs because he'd come out with the eggs and none of them would be cracked. Dude. And here's the thing, Jesse. To that point... I get passionate about him

Starting point is 00:50:31 because I'm like, you have it you have it all right we said the Leafs needed to get bigger and I think Dubas was like yeah they do need to get bigger and so they got bigger they got you know guys like Hall and Ingvall and these guys but Steve used to say it and he was right big for nothing Hall got the brakes beat off him by Ryan Nugent Hopkins Ryan Nugent Hopkins is going to get ID'd into his 50 but look at his career look at his career and this is my point is that it's not that these guys can't it's frustrating that they won't especially with pierre justin all i think is what he is and i actually want to bring up a tweet that kevin papetti put out yesterday i think you guys

Starting point is 00:51:10 will find this hilarious former leaf former leaf contracts so when they leave toronto this is the contract they get no but it's hard to play here though it's hard and unfair the toronto bump on these contracts is insane it's yeah we've done this i know i just want to go through it real quick mckeah four times four seven five unbelievable conf here wait wait mckeah four seven five already traded already traded uh conf about to be traded uh four times 2.4 million angval seven times three waivers uh felino two times 3.8 uh campbell five times five hall three times 3.4 labushkin three three times 3.25 edmondson four times 3.85 that's a bad deal and then brody in chicago two times 3.75 million dollars now the only difference there is I mean Brody is taking a pay cut from

Starting point is 00:52:00 his last deal so I don't know if I agree with that one but well his play took a pay cut too he was not good last year and you know what he did oh I'm sorry was TJ Brody great last no it's just that was lightning well it was bad and so my my whole thing with Engvall is this this guy's an NHL player he probably won't get traded because of the length of the contract and then they'd scares team i look at if he made half that salary he'd be in the end or if he made half that term it's the term but if i'm looking at this and i'm like i'm the san jose shark projected by the athletic to be the worst team in the league this year although i disagree with them um the anaheim duck those guys a justin hall uh a uh pierre engvall they're players waivers this time of

Starting point is 00:52:46 is full of guys who should be in the nhl that's what waivers is for right unfortunately most of them never get claimed yeah because waivers never works out the way that it's supposed to be i think the salary cap has a lot to do with that look at the leafs and what they did today they're within one dollar of the cap brandon pridham baby brandon pridham but but it used to be okay we're two days out from the season beginning for the league and now we're like okay this is the run that is very different from years past where barring an injury we're like this is the team and we know that because they literally can't afford to do anything else right like they had no competition for roster spots for years my my hope is craig berube was able to say okay i know what your financial plans

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Starting point is 00:55:56 so Justin Hall being on waivers in Detroit not terribly surprising considering they put him on a rotation last year but what's interesting is that a guy who made the exact same amount of money as him and was very good was Jake Wallman and it was given away by the San Jose Sharks

Starting point is 00:56:14 to the San Jose Sharks Detroit man I don't know about that they had some questionable signings in recent there was a trade market for Jake Wallman there wasn't a trade market for Justin Hallman that's cool yeah oh um uh also this morning uh we know that the oilers yesterday actually put josh brown who they signed to a three-year contract uh josh brown

Starting point is 00:56:40 signed a three-year contract for a million bucks he's on did not make i it's a million bucks it's not the end of the world right but why a three-year deal yeah that's pretty confusing like i thought he was vinnie day harney replacement um i mean no one's gonna claim him yeah uh and also you bury him and also like i saw one oilers fan go well it's not my money and i was like that's a great way of looking at it i don't i don't know if that's gonna affect the edmonton rollers in any way well and like so now this makes him your seven or eight that you can call up yeah all right that's not too bad and hey josh are you sad yeah hey did you know you you don't have to pay escrow the whole time you're in the ahl oh okay yeah well no that

Starting point is 00:57:26 what is bakersfield like this time of year uh it sounds like uh you you don't have to pay escrow that's all i know about like 15 more than i would yeah yeah yeah hey josh would you like a 15 percent raise yeah and like and uh not american tax Canadian ones hey dude hey i'm not great at math but uh i'm pretty sure 15 of a million is 150 000 josh would you like 150 000 would you like potentially 450 000 like i mean i'm sure he'd rather be in the nhl and i think he will be um meh yeah weird signing for sure but it doesn't affect the team now uh there's a couple of things i want to hit it looks like and then i want to talk about the games this weekend boone jenner looks like he's out long term oh my god and this after the blue jacket signed kevin leblanc uh from

Starting point is 00:58:16 he had he was pto'd with the devils and then the blue jackets obviously have holes up front and it looks like they're gonna have another one so could work in columbus hearing but would be great in columbus he's perfect for columbus if he if it was like a one or two year thing i'd be like yeah perfect six years left that's crazy ah you can always wave him again if he doesn't make the team man that columbus i think and i obviously there are some reasons for this but bar tragedy aside it would have been the case anyway they're a long way from a waving a guy like pure angle i know but like the reason i reacted the way i did like i'm dying i think the hockey world is dying for something to go right for them yes team no question no question unbelievable yeah yeah so it's uh it's

Starting point is 00:59:05 unfortunate for Boone Jenner now I want to talk about the games um this weekend very quickly before we do the press conference guys because uh time crunch today and then tomorrow uh a little bit later a little bit longer I want to talk about um the Buffalo Sabres and how I regret everything good I said about the Buffalo Sabres is what we saw from the Sabres in the two games this weekend a team adjusting under a new coach or they've just think you've I don't know what you base your optimism on for the buffalo sabers like kevin adams sat on his hands all offseason they needed a whole bunch of changes wholesale changes to fix the up front their forward group and hey the defense is looking good they're young but like maybe you get some older defensemen to

Starting point is 00:59:51 help the young guys and like there was a bunch of stuff they needed to do to figure it out and they chose to kevin adams chose to do nothing so i don't know why anybody had expectations on the labor they these guys should be absolute trash pandas today and just dig through the waiver garbage and go i'm them them them them when they get home from europe it should be to like three or four guys like hey we're we're sabers now it feels like you know if you had like a really bad semester on in in a class yeah and it's like oh damn i need like a 95 on the final test just to past the course feels like buffalo just put themselves way behind the curve and now just need spectacular turnaround to get this thing going two games don't make a season no obviously

Starting point is 01:00:39 and they're playing the devils who we all think is going to be they're going to be very good teams only wagon you know so it's also in europe but no they didn't just they look they suck they suck they didn't look good at all in those in those two games listen the way we're told to build a team and i mean it's way too general is you gotta have good goaltending you gotta have good defense and yes you need goals it is a goal scoring contest but there are guys out there who can score goals the sabers oh boy they sure do lack guys who do that but again i look at what they're building on the back end and i don't know if it's good yet yeah but i know it's gonna be yeah and in their net i'm pretty sure it's good now and it's gonna get even better bl was

Starting point is 01:01:24 spectacular the back half last year like they shouldn't one of the best in the league you know they should be like i think they're better than detroit i still think they're better than i don't they should buffalo should be decent except they could have been so we could have like they could have been better and we say oh yeah no there's a competitive team right there if they just made a couple moves yep maybe they're this year's oilers and they go on a run to the final maybe i just like listen there's a lot to to criticize with that roster but i still think long term they're doing the right thing oh yeah you have a fan base that is not interested anymore and i am that's not a criticism they've been too bad for too long yeah longest active playoff drought

Starting point is 01:02:06 in north american pro sports like fix it and your answer was lindy the coaching thing where you just hire the guy for the pr like probably i don't know no i think he was uh there were better coaches available i think he was the coach willing to go yeah yeah you don't think other people would be if they were willing to shell out the money the pagulas i don't know if they're that i don't know they could be i don't think so oh yeah i'm just i'm just very i'm very down on them right now yeah they're they're they ought to be just crows on a carcass today they should they should be claiming multiple players between my two fantasy teams though i have bratt meyer hughes and tage thompson just disgusting so i had a good weekend i had a good weekend on fan night you know who i

Starting point is 01:02:53 got and i have no idea how to play nhl fantasy so i'm gonna figure this out you know who i got i'm excited for the bit contract year baby mitch marner mitch marner yeah i can't wait they wave james reimer as well note that yeah yeah that's not surprising he's the third goal yeah so so Oh, yeah, and I just want to say about the Devils, holy mother of God. Oh, God. They look freaking dead. What happens when you have,

Starting point is 01:03:19 all you need is goaltending and healthy bodies, and they got it. Wow. Brendan Dillon, the hit on Paterka? And Paterka could be out, we're not sure how long, but it's not great. I don't know if I want to speak this dramatically this early in the season,

Starting point is 01:03:34 but for a team that already can't score, that's a death. Yeah. If he's that long term, they're screwed. That guy could be 60-70 points He's an extremely, extremely good player But It's funny

Starting point is 01:03:48 We talked about One of the things that I rarely get to say As a Leafs fan Or in recent years Haven't gotten to say as a Leafs fan Is I haven't been able to look at another team And go, wow, you're soft You're like noticeably soft

Starting point is 01:04:03 Who was? The devil Baby shit Yeah mm-hmm not even not anymore not anymore that's over that's over when they got brendan dylan i'm like oh that fits like a glove okay yeah okay and there's a bunch of other guys well and meyer's pretty tough meyer uh stephan nason is a rude dude warm relief really upsetting warm relief that's hey sheldon you gonna play me this time that must have been a fun yeah fun introduction

Starting point is 01:04:35 does that one does that one count i put that in the like the sean dersey camp where it's like He played a game. Okay. It's more. I think there were a couple of guys that could have been really useful to the Leafs. Scott Harrington back in the day from the Penguins trade. Yeah. Stephan Nason, if they stuck with him.

Starting point is 01:04:51 Stephan Nason, remember, I believe he lost it on time to guys like Kapanen and Anderson. What was his name? Not Anderson. Johnson? Johnson. Andreas Johnson. If I'm not mistaken, Nason, he was a part of the three-way deal. uh the the nick felino deal from columbus was a freeway deal with the sharks and he came from

Starting point is 01:05:12 the shark right people forget that part of the trade and he played one game and i'm pretty sure it was bad and he just didn't get into it yeah and then he had his ahl walk through the desert was freaking unreal on his way to the calder cup which means something and then he was on like the top power play in carolina oh i love it it's ridiculous um okay let's do the press conference now let's do let's do swayman uh oh we got to talk about swayman a little talking about briefly in in bet mgm big story but let's talk about it so swayman obviously ruined our fun ruined our fun and if you're listening on the sdp vip you didn't hear the bet mgm segment but the um the reality of it is is that swayman i think got the bruins to move pretty significantly and i wonder

Starting point is 01:05:59 a quarter mil yeah well it but they weren't at eight million they weren't even at 7.8 frank frank ceravalli said the max that they were at to that ham neely point was 7.8 million but you remember they started the off season at six and a half that is that's the rate uh ryan whitney uh rumor right right and there were a few other people that sort of confirmed that so and i get you know you start several million apart and you work your way to the center or whatever but swayman from all accounts never really did he was like it's eight and a half and so for him to only come down 250 grand and for boston to finally go you know what screw it uh i think i think both sides made a really good deal and it makes me angry and they they got a really good deal before

Starting point is 01:06:44 he starts missing games that count like i know corpus l is going to start the season um i don't i don't think waiting a month or two was going to be good for his career i agree i agree like it's not it's not like willie kneelander where he was he had a horrible year um after he held out like with a goalie i feel like it all happens very fast and all of a sudden you're bad and because you're bad they're not playing you and then how do you get it how do you get it back right um it's it's difficult it's a lot trickier um and they get it done before the revolt because it was starting it was starting and didn't i call it oh the fans were turning on things have been too good for too long in boston so people forget but that fan base

Starting point is 01:07:35 and media toronto's the only place where this happens no the media will turn on you tyler second dougie hamill benoit pouliot to a much much much smaller degree yep phil castle holy shit i know that's also very different because he had you know he got traded with um but he was holding holding out meaning he they had not he wasn't holding you saw that sign behind the bench the take 64 go he took 66 he took 66 how about you go right it's they they got it done at a reasonable number before things got out of hand negatively for both sides it's perfect it's annoyingly boston and uh i am vince vaughn in anchorman with everything they do i straight hate you but god damn it i respect yeah jesse what are your thoughts i know i think it's it's

Starting point is 01:08:37 one inaccurate deal like he's exactly where he should be he's oh an accurate deal and I was like did we get it wrong no it's an accurate deal in that he's right where he should be in terms of goaltenders across the league I believe yeah he's tied for fourth it's Bobrovsky Vasilevsky Hellebuck and then Sorokin has the same 8.25 million dollar deal and carry prices x amount it doesn't shisterkin's gonna breeze by him in no time shisterkin's a whole conversation that we can have he's gonna deserve so much more than that it's gonna be a little troubling for the rangers their cap situation i'm not worried about shisterkin because as soon as troop is gone there's his race yeah but they got so many other bodies they need a sign i would be worried about

Starting point is 01:09:21 a little tricky with their cap but swayman swayman fits right in where he should be and he's gonna live up hopefully to this contract and for the bruins going forward it's gonna be a spectacular deal because he's gonna the cap's gonna go up he's gonna outplay that value so it's right in line where it should be and i wonder if they look back on the last month and a half and if they say like we did a good thing by sending a message to the world into our locker room by making this public and realizing everybody's gotta stand in line and cam neely and don sweet are happy what they did or if they say this 8.25 could have just been solved in july because this is the money they allocated throughout the summer for Swayman yes and the fact that they wouldn't just come up to

Starting point is 01:10:04 this earlier yeah I wonder if they're happy with how it played out you know they can't be but they cannot be happy I don't know I don't know I don't think I think Swayman's probably okay with it but I don't think Boston management and remember this Boston management group despite their their on ice personnel success has made some and I don't want to bring it up but you guys all know they made some bumbling idiot moves a couple of years ago when they were the first place team in the league and i think and they've done cassidy not fight room in his room they do they do some stuff on this in this management group that is like hey guys you're a really good team you don't need to do it this way and and i and i just feel like they can't be to me jeremy swayman wins um and

Starting point is 01:10:45 and they can't be they got to be careful not to get in their own way they make really smart decisions but every year or so you get this what's going on in boston with their management anyway you know what i mean so i that's why i'm like it's very curious that you kind of built your cap around hey we're gonna sign swayman around eight million dollars and then you go through this whole thing and then you eventually land at 8.25 when's the cap going to be 100 million uh probably two three years it's gonna be 92 and a half next year probably another four or five the next year and then another four or five and then rent and so he'll be making about eight percent of the time great for your starting goal yep fabulous

Starting point is 01:11:26 fabulous deal maybe they could just be a little more efficient in getting there yeah at the end of the day like i thought alan on agent provocateur on friday was brilliant man he was great in talking about how he talks through a player through this and he says if you're serious about this we have to commit because if we get to the end of this thing and you're just like oh i'll just sign what they gave me then you've lost it forever then that's how they're gonna look at you as this guy and you've lost it for everyone and you've lost it for everyone you've lost it for the locker room you lose a lot of respect there but if you're serious we'll go through this and we'll make it hard on people so at the end of the day when push came to shove and there were actual

Starting point is 01:12:07 games that jeremy swayman was gonna lose the negotiations got serious and they solved everything and it feels like it was always gonna be there at this point you know it's what what cj talked about when when we get to this point where you're gonna miss real games and things actually get serious because if he signs in season the contract becomes prorated yes and the boston bruins don't have the salary cap to sign him to an 11 million dollar cap hit in december that's why he was the 10 million dollar man he never was them yeah because he never was well don't i think brett screwed brett there they they both fucked each other in the worst put in the worst term uh so it things got serious and they got it done you know but get it serious earlier yeah and and this is

Starting point is 01:12:54 where i'm what i mean i just i look it's over though yeah well no guys yeah it's over but they still let a fucking podcast get in there we we got so much shit up like you can't take that back from the universe no that happened from september on and so here's the thing yes you can yes you can and here's how you do it win yeah okay i get it no one remembers but the process is guys if they do remember they don't care are still there yeah and if i'm cam neely and i'm responsible and has been i'm going guys let's take a step let's not do this again how do we not do this yeah you know how do we not okay so bisonette's on our shit and whitney's on our shit or elliot friedman's on our shit or chris johnson's on our shit or whoever else you want to jesse blake jesse blake messing

Starting point is 01:13:38 us up what do we do next time let's sit down with the pr staff and ask them what's the pr person gonna say pure person's gonna say don't mention it he's still not under contract we're working towards yeah next play that's all they had to do i don't care when you sign jeremy swam and just don't sign mitchell miller again yeah well but but this is my point right it's like just uh maybe listen to your pr staff because they do a pretty good job and every time bruins management doesn't what happens it explodes and this is a team that has erased a lot of that that because they've won but i guarantee you if the bruins had not been as outrageously successful as they have been for the last half decade we might be looking at that the world where the bruins burn through their

Starting point is 01:14:25 goodwill is currently a fantasy oh one that i just can't could never happen i can't picture we gotta also remember how the amazon doc that's that's out now reminded me of how close the Bruins were to complete destruction in terms of their serial chokers and being chokers so that goodwill thing can disappear real quick they were going to become the first team ever to blow 3-1 leads in back-to-back playoff years and they almost did it if it weren't for the Leafs who were the the king of choking so I feel like there was I can't believe that wasn't quintuple overtime there was neither team should have scored that game should still be going there was a moment there where they were teetering on the brink of destruction as an organization in terms of

Starting point is 01:15:13 their reputation recently because they had the best record ever in the regular season by any team in the history of hockey they choke with a 3-1 lead they're about they're up against the Toronto Maple Leafs the team that can't win shit ever and they're about to choke away a 3-1 lead this could have been a completely different offseason in terms of Bruinsland and then now they happen to be playing the Leafs so it's all good and then now they they save everything and they're back here so there are moments where this management group hasn't been all there and i wonder if they look back on this and they regret it you know what i think they probably do it's a bunch of hard-headed dudes i look at this every sports thing comes down to i don't think these

Starting point is 01:15:52 gentlemen are being reasonable yes it's just like you know what every i've made my decision it's not rational it's not realistic and i'm fucking sticking to it and and at that point it comes down on eagle play and i don't doubt that these are nice people in real life i don't doubt that they're great at their job look at the results because unlike in toronto it actually is a results-based business people like oh trust the process trust the process no i've trust the process for a decade now not seeing a lot of results from the process in most other markets you need at least some success i would prefer boston's process even with the dysfunction most of it the one thing i mentioned earlier i would not want but i'm just saying you know maybe guys

Starting point is 01:16:33 if you're at an 11 sleep on it come back to work at 7 do you know what i'm saying sometimes yeah emotions get hot and you're like you know what instead of being the guy on the ice that i used to be why don't i be leadership guy now say nothing and then go to sleep and then wake up going you know what i feel refreshed i'm glad i didn't say anything yesterday i'm glad i didn't tweet that which you and i have had to learn jesse's never had that problem uh i'm glad i didn't say that good to my you know to my friends or my partner or whatever I'm glad I slept on that I'm glad I took a day to cool off I'm glad I just thought of the hardest trophy in sports to win I invented it just now what is it because they say the Super Bowl is the hardest trophy

Starting point is 01:17:16 in sports to win Stanley Cup but then you also hear the Stanley Cup is the hardest no there should be a trophy best team in Boston oh oh the Boston Bowl the Boston Bowl it is the hardest damn thing. Oh, the Patriots held that title for a while. Yeah, but now the Celtics are reigning NBA champs and the Patriots can go frig off. Same with the Red Sox. Frig off. Yeah, they suck.

Starting point is 01:17:40 Yeah, you stink. Does everybody under Funway Sports suck right now? Because the Penguins suck. Isn't Liverpool? Liverpool's okay. Oh, they're good. There you go. Yeah, okay. I don't know. I'm not familiar with their portfolio. There's been a lot of managerial changes at

Starting point is 01:17:56 Funway Sports and Entertainment. Something to keep an eye on. Is this Dubas' fault? No, it's not. Adam's going to find a way to blame Kyle Dubas. Dude, they just fired 13 people from the Penguins' front office three months ago. Adam, how is Kyle Dubas responsible for the demise of the Boston Red Sox? On this one, he's not. He's not.

Starting point is 01:18:15 Would the Bruins' Swayman impasse not have happened if Kyle Dubas just stopped working in hockey? he would have been like I don't want this headache give him 10 oh yeah what if we went into 10 million you know

Starting point is 01:18:33 no based on how negotiations went with all the Leafs we could and we might we can and now we'll have to have you guys taken a look at

Starting point is 01:18:43 Puck Media for the Leafs and their four group recently if you look at it it goes from 11 million to three yep

Starting point is 01:18:50 and that is one hell of a way to build a four group used to be used to be three and a half with Kerfoot ugh I'll take Max Domi at three.

Starting point is 01:18:57 Thank you very much. It's not a pretty sight. Jesse, you ever seen Mrs. Doubtfire? Yeah, a long time ago. I don't have the strength. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay.

Starting point is 01:19:06 I don't have the strength. It is. It is what it is. And wait till Marner's extension is signed. Oh, I don't have the strength. So, you know what? We are running low on time. Do we have time for a couple questions?

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Starting point is 01:19:34 You guys got to talk while I pull up. Oh, I thought we were pausing. What do you think, friend? Let's have a human conversation. There's a very big interview coming up on DailyMate. Formula One fans? One of the bigger names? Lightning McQueen.

Starting point is 01:19:52 Lightning McQueen. Are you kidding? Lightning McQueen? No, I wish. I wish. No. If somebody could do a Lightning McQueen impression, I would definitely fake an interview. I think Tim could do it.

Starting point is 01:20:02 You think you could do Owen Wilson? Just get him to go, ka-chow. I need to hear him do it. I want it. I like that. I like that. I was in, so shout out at Insider J Money, who messaged and said that I was in the Flyers Training Camp YouTube series video.

Starting point is 01:20:22 Yes. and i didn't want to play it in this in this i have looked at it okay and i have so we're gonna do that we're doing that tomorrow that's part it's literally in my prep right here but i was like we're in this studio we're doing it tomorrow okay and steve was in the amazon doc that's right with a hammer and i'll pull up that screenshot because you look like a feral animal well we were we saw this debut yeah at the uh we can talk about it the screening in toronto yeah now we can talk about it the whole room burst into friggin laughter yeah yeah i personally think it was the hardest laugh of the whole episode and i buried my face in my arm i was embarrassed

Starting point is 01:21:03 that's the only clip they used of me and i look like a feral animal okay steve this question is from michael at mike underscore matt with your second book launching in the next week michael wants to know when is steve ready to write a third book any jokes will it be about his time at the zoo but is there plans for a third book there's no plans uh this book would have to do extremely well and be at number one for a while which i'm hoping for um or number one at all um book hasn't come out yet um for me to want to do it it's there are people who can crank out four books or two books in a year or even one book in a year and um tomorrow we're gonna have on mike camito who spits out a book every single year because they are for him because they are

Starting point is 01:22:03 authors right they're authors yeah like that's what they do you're not that's not your main source of of what you do you all like and i think i'm good at it it just takes me a little bit like a diss no no but i think like your main career everybody would say is is podcasting and and youtube videos it i don't think that's i don't think that's controversial here's the process i i'm not saying you're a bad writer you're not you're not a writer let me lay out he is but it's not his first thing let me lay out the process so you have you have a 75 000 word word count to get to okay um jesse you were in school longer than adam uh sure typically how long were essays for you

Starting point is 01:22:51 like university essay what do you mean high school was like i think a thousand fifteen hundred words but like for any essays you had to write or were you one of those students smart enough to not take hard elective i don't remember damn just answer the question let's get to what i don't really know what you're asking me like in terms of a word count word count i think i think a short essay was 1500 and that still took a while a long essay like the ones i had to do in my history ones were 3000 okay and those would take me hours and hours and days and days of reading and hours and hours and hours to write they were hard and i would crank that out in a day and i'd be like oh my like i maxed out my brain i i set time aside and i'm now 3 000 out of 75 and i'd just be like i

Starting point is 01:23:46 tried so so so hard and i'm like five percent there and then a lot of days i'd be like all right i have you know the the kids are with the in-laws and i got the house to myself come on words and nothing comes out nothing comes and there was one chapter there was one chapter i got about 750 words into like i was just coming up with all these different ideas and i got about 750 words in and i'm like this is starting to feel very familiar and i realized i'd written a different version of the same chapter oh wow and so set that 750 words on fire set the whole damn thing and that took i don't know an hour two hours so set the last two hours on fire it's the process is very difficult that's but i think afterward like i remember reading the audiobook and being

Starting point is 01:24:48 like like laughing at stuff oh because i forgot i wrote it and i'm like that's pretty good I read it enough times that I'm like oh this is good I've had enough people be like this is good that this book is good it just takes me longer than someone who is a more accomplished writer to make

Starting point is 01:25:10 so all that to say if the Leafs win the cup I'm on it like shit on Velcro but until then I'm in no rush to write book three alright with that we have to go so gentlemen we will be back tomorrow when we will find out all the waiver wire transactions and i actually have some some things that i want to run by steve and jesse like like like prediction

Starting point is 01:25:35 type things that we're going to get to not don't worry not season predictions and no we're not going to redo our bruin season prediction it is what it is that was what was available to us at the time and swayman wasn't fucking sorry no they're still gonna be fourth somehow in the league even that might not be that might not be high enough anyway we love you and we will see you and remember pick up

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