The Steve Dangle Podcast - Feed The Rich | September 3, 2024

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

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all right well listen um uh we hate to start the season this way because it's a season that we're all very excited about um but obviously um you know the story johnny johnny gaudreau and matthew gaudreau were hit by a drunk driver on a rural road uh late last week from all accounts as brothers they were best of friends inseparable um it was the day before their sister's wedding uh matthew's wife madeline is pregnant and due in december johnny and meredith have two young sons and i think we would be remiss if we didn't talk about it first and i i want to start with this this is meredith gaudreau one of three posts she's made on instagram but i really loved this because it kind of talks about what she loves so much about him.

She said, thank you for the best years of my life. Despite losing you, I'm still the luckiest girl in the world to have been yours. I love you so, so much. You were perfect. Some days it felt too good to be true. I love every single thing about you. You are my forever and I can't wait to be with you again. I love you so much forever and ever.

And then she did a post for the kids and then a third post. And the outpouring of sadness and love for these two men, for their families, for fans who've had their hearts broken as well, has been unbelievable, I think. The tragedy touched the entire sports world. We're talking about NFL, MLB, NBA teams and players tweeting and posting their condolences, spontaneous outpourings of support at the Saddledome and at Nationwide Arena.

We can pull some of those up. We have a look at the – there's the Saddledome right there if you're watching on video. a lot of sidewalk chalk a lot of flowers a lot of jerseys a lot of t-shirts that that picture is absolutely incredible the first time i saw it i thought it was just the 13 and you know the stuff leading up the steps and i was like why is there all that empty space and you zoom in and the entire walkway is just completely paved in messages i do like on the this very calgary very polite on the on the left side there they left the stairs open so someone can get to the

top if they have to go to work that's very not actually it's you know it's good someone was vigilant enough to like i wouldn't have even thought of that yeah and i i want to say that that picture to me sums up the city of calgary and how much they love that team it really is amazing and then obviously uh jess you've got the one from outside nationwide as well so there you go there's a nationwide arena there yeah and uh that was posted by the columbus blue jackets i believe last night am i wrong jess yeah they this is a video actually so they go through some of the items that were left outside of the arena here and the vigil for them it's a it's it's it's a it's a striking thing when um when you see a reaction like this to

somebody passing away you know we are used to in hockey um seeing now some of the elder statesmen of the game pass away and and you know as much as it's sad when they do it's it's seen as sort of like a part of life when somebody goes at 31 um it it it has a whole different sort of hit and i and i think and i want to shout out the columbus uh dispatch because i think they did a great job on this they they did a whole article on what you should know about matthew could draw and matthew obviously played Boston College, played ECHL, played AHL, never quite got his his time in the in the NHL. But he had pivoted to coaching and he was going to be an assistant for the Westchester Wolves of the junior level United States Premier Hockey League. The Wolves are in Westchester,

Pennsylvania, which is close enough for him to commute to spend time with his family in Pedrickton, New Jersey, just across the Delaware River. And, you know, I was struck a little bit, guys by the fact that you know we've seen hockey culture under a microscope for most of the last decade and in a lot of ways it's been an airing of here's some negative things that have been festering for decades and we need to deal with them um and if there were two people that i think we'd look to as great examples for what we want hockey to be i think it's johnny and matthew goudreau and you know if we look at who these guys were they're beautiful families um they they when you watch johnny goudreau play and i want to talk to you guys about this because what i remember

watching about in play is there was in a um it was like um when mitch martyr broke in and he it was like he was running on mountain dew johnny goudreau had that that joy that excitement when when his team score didn't matter how good or bad they were that year you could see there was like a you just buzzing the cardiac flames man no they were awesome to watch uh in the mid 2010s um you know i i hate that these sort of moments have to happen in order for us to celebrate people sometimes but you know they were they were showing a video of his first career nhl hat trick flames are down three nothing to the kings i think it might have even been in los angeles and uh you know he scores his hat trick forces overtime i think they won an overtime in the

shootout and that was a team that if i'm not mistaken sold at the deadline and ended up screwing around and making the playoffs anyway i think it was him a young a young sean monahan i want to say a young michael furland um just a really exciting team and he was he was such such an exciting player like he shouldn't have he shouldn't have made it based on you know what we thought about hockey at the time well there was no there was sort of that i it's my favorite johnny gaudreau story and i know jesse you've got something cute up here my favorite johnny gaudreau story is when he walked up in his very first training camp to the security area of scotia bank saddle dome and the security guards wouldn't let him in because he said he was a hockey player

he brought his stuff and they were like no you're not uh you're too small you're too short there's no way you're a member of the flames organization he's a fourth round pick and eventually they had to call up and go is this is this person for real or is they are they a crazed fan and they finally let him in which i think is a great story uh were you gonna what here jesse do you have a story no i was i was just you were talking about just the goals he scored and i had the one that always i go to first is game seven overtime winner against dallas in the first round like just the experience of having a game seven overtime winner like that's a childhood dream and having johnny gujo do that and i was i wanted to re-watch the play just to see how he scored the goal to

see if it was like hey that's that's the scrappy guy and it was it was off of a rebound from just this weird angle and he banks it in and it's an ot winner and you can't you can't show the the footage but like they don't you're so happy scoring a game 7 ot winner you don't know what to do with your body and like they're all just like punching it's an out-of-body experience you just go crazy yeah he was no he was he was so awesome my favorite uh story with him and i don't remember where i heard it now but he was in college i think and they told him to put on weight and so they're like you have to have this many calories a day or whatever and he's like you got it and i think like a month passes or whatever and they're like you know johnny you haven't gained

any weight he's like well i don't get it i'm eating all the time and they're like what are you eating and it was like nutella sandwiches and but he made it yeah he made it you know like and it you know when the hobie baker um you know is is uh you know okay he can do it at the at the uh ushl level okay can he do it at the college level and he does it at the college level okay well can he do it at the pro level and then it didn't really take long well he didn't go you know in reaching researching his career he didn't play in the ahl he didn't play in the echl he jumped right from boston college into the nhl which like again that's another one of those things where like if it if he had been drafted a few years prior no matter how good he was in

college i don't know if they would have let him do it like no he's too small you got to let him playing the a for a little while and he was just ferocious and and i thought i thought it was kind of neat because between the two brothers they touched every level of professional hockey in the in in north america and the ncaa both played at boston college uh matthew played in the e and the a and obviously johnny who we all remember well in the nhl and they were known for the joy in their play style it would kind of leap at you through the tv especially with johnny and the playoffs like what you guys were talking about. And I think the other thing we should mention

is the outpouring within the game has been immense because it's, you know, as fan, as groups of fans, and we all are, there's a bazillion of us. But it's important to remember that hockey, the game, the players, the management, that there aren't a lot of them. Not a lot of people are actually working in the NHL. And so they all know each other. And so when you have this sort of outpouring

from teammates, coaches, upper management, um you know and people saying i'm lost for words and at the other but at the other side of things they're giving beautiful you know heartfelt tributes um i just think it's it's a tribute to who these two people were and you know no doubt today there are people still processing this and you know this might have been your hero right uh the player that you grew up wanting to be and heroes have this amazing thing where we see ourselves in them and they feel like family even though we've never met them you see yourself in what you want to be yeah yeah and and it feels like you lost someone close to you even though maybe you never met them or maybe it was like a

quick autograph or maybe it was a handshake or a you know whatever so if you're feeling that way that is normal you did lose someone close to you and it's okay to be excited about this season and torn up about this event at the same time you're not alone so you know i would say that if you're looking for people to relate to you can check our discord or uh the great community people who are commenting on this video and and i think you know i don't want to belabor the point because i don't want to cheapen the moment uh but johnny and matthew goudreau will have amazing tributes i think both in columbus and calgary and i believe they're they're playing in december december 4th i believe yeah they play each other uh fairly early in the season yeah yeah so there's gonna

be some sort of moment there like i would imagine we're gonna get a number retirement i saw a lot of people uh that makes sense yeah i would think you you retire 13 13 i don't know how any player would throw on that jersey ever again for those two teams don't want it yeah i saw people talking about uh naming an award after him which i think they mentioned the lady bing yeah the nhl is due for updates of awards anyways a lot of the names on the awards aren't really attached to the game of hockey anymore so if you're going to do a tribute to him in some way like that that'd be a great way like so there's going to be a lot of stuff coming up and just with with goudreau and and matt with johnny and matthew and like johnny he left calgary because of family and like we

talked about in the show at the time so much it made no sense like why would you go to columbus and and new jersey fumbled the bag and philly could have had him and all this stuff but the reason he just wanted to go to that area was for family and that's kind of like the ethos of adam as you said off the top is like that's what hockey is all about at the end of the day it's about you know you bring your kid to a hockey practice at 7 a.m because you love him because that's your family and like it felt like the goudreau family was truly a great hockey family and they were great for the game and it's really sad to see and just like on a happier note one of the funnier stories i saw about johnny on twitter while this whole thing was going through is when he got his

first paycheck because him and kevin hayes are really good we're really good buddies and apparently when he got his first paycheck he tried to deposit into an atm and then kevin hayes had to be like no that's not how your checks were and that just made me laugh and like that's the kind of guy he was you tried the chase man glitch yeah yeah he goes oh my god yeah it's just it's really sad i i just that's wow that's quite the story that's very funny i'm so i'm so like i don't know i'm pretty open about like obviously i cheer for the leafs but when it comes to other teams it's not like about loving or hating them really like i try to look at it objectively i'm so wholeheartedly cheering for the columbus blue jackets uh this year um they've had such an unfair run of everything

um this just happened obviously last year not nearly on the same level but it was still you know a calamity of errors with the with their whole coaching situation group and yeah previous management group but it shouldn't be forgotten uh matisse cavlenics uh as well and i think that might have been for anybody that missed that story what happened uh it was it was a goalie of columbus's um you know second or third goalie he could have been full-time in the nhl who knows um he died in a i think it was a fireworks accident um and i want to say these things happened in successive summers if i'm not mistaken it was kivlenic's what happened last year and then this year if i'm not mistaken like how much can a team an organization a fan base

take and if Lennox was 2021 2021 okay so still relatively not three in a row but like you know still horrible and you know Craig Craig Button said something recently and it was I'm not calling him out this is not tied to Goudreau at all um he was talking about uh the Patrick Laine deal which we haven't had an opportunity to talk about um he was talking about the Patrick Laine deal and some of the criticisms levied at line a and he was looking at it and going well okay you know can you win with line a how about can you win with columbus because for however many years they've been and i think his words were they've just been another game on the schedule which is hilarious because then you know the leafs ended up losing the playoff series to them anyway but

uh he he wasn't the lightning and the lightning okay that is true um but he wasn't saying that he obviously said that before this happened so he's not talking about that but it historically has not been great for them on the ice and these past few years have been extremely hard for them

off and on the ice it'd be nice to see them have some success here absolutely well I think they've got the right management group in place and I think that there will be a tidal wave of emotions come start of the season

and obviously the Calgary game in early December. We're going to move on from the subject and as we do with hard subjects, it's one of those things that it doesn't mean we've moved on in our heads

or in our hearts and I know that we'll keep updating you as soon as we know a little bit more about what the Flames, the Blue Jackets, the NHL,

what they're going to do to honor both gentlemen and finally, we offer our sincerest condolences to the Goudreau family for whatever that is worth. I think, you know,

it's one of those things that we were shocked as anybody else was, and we wanted to wait until today, until the dust settled, to come out and talk about it. And the GoFundMe for Matthew's family is up over 500 grand the last time I looked at it. So if you have the means to donate to that, please do. I'll give you the updated total right now, 544. There you go. That's great.

Are we including that link in the bio? We can. Okay, great. Let's do that. We know a guy. Do we know a guy who does the bio? Maddie, do you want to handle that? We know a gal. Speaking of, Maddie, you're

a traveler back today from Switzerland. What, yesterday or something? Anyway. Yeah, two days ago. Yeah, it was away for seven weeks, gentlemen. Seven weeks. Thirteen countries. Thirteen countries. Name them all. Name them all right now. From best to worst, go.

No, I'm kidding. Which ones did you go? Portugal, Spain, um austria netherlands germany poland uh slovenia italy uh switzerland and i think there's one i'm missing oh check yeah wow but you also went to where did you fly into technically iceland i laid over for like two hours and you got jesse oh yeah a little viking ship so i forgot to get them an actual gift from the countries

I actually visited but I was in Iceland for a few hours and I'm at the weirdest gift shop and I just saw this thing and I'm like look it's like three of them

and then it's me behind the scenes yay that boat will have a place of honor here at STPN world headquarters so this came all the way

from Iceland how cool is that I love that I knew you were going all around Europe but I didn't know it was that many countries yeah well I did

I did Portugal and Spain for like a month by myself and then I didn't a group tour that was really quick through Central Europe, like two nights Berlin, two nights Prague, two nights Vienna, two nights Budapest.

Yeah, it was two weeks, but that was a trip of a lifetime. I loved it. You've been to more countries in the past month than I have in my entire life. I was just going to say, I've never been to that many countries. I think I'm decently traveled, but within North America.

Right. Outside? No, forget it. Well, North America is huge, so that's fair. It's pretty big, I guess. Now, let's get into the big news of today, the big signing that by the grace of God happened before the show. Oh, I know.

Leon Dreisaitl will be next year, at least right now, the NHL's highest paid player. $14.4 million. It's a front-loaded deal from what we know. Eight-year contract. So he is committed to

Edmonton for the next nine years because he's still under contract for this season. According to Pierre Lebrun, Dreisaitl contract front loaded includes a no move clause throughout both sides agreed to the bigger parts of this deal late last week some finishing touches over the weekend dry saddle made sure to get a lot of information this summer en route to this massive decision and he wants to win in edmonton can i talk about what a what torture the drive here was what do you mean well because the cj show chat was just like julian has posted a link to x adam said whoa drew said that's unreal chris said big

deal steve you gotta you gotta turn that off yeah but do not like why why do you have all of this coming through on siri on the app no no no like it doesn't come through unless i tell it to but when something comes through in the chat i'm like oh i wonder what it is and i couldn't tell because all it was was so and so posted a link followed by all your reactions wow that's huge good for them imagine missing these text messages

like a podcast like what are you doing it's exactly like a podcast and it's my favorite show that's how Jesse that's how Steve's podcast would be if we weren't here 100% hey is there any context and then

there's a link to twitter anyway hey have you seen this with Steve Dangle so I think this is obviously you know the ramifications of this are huge Edmonton has one of the two best players on the planet locked up for the next

decade they have Matthews and sorry and and I think producer Drew and McKinnon oh producer Drew has a death you know has a death wish did tweet about the fact that Edmonton is for me well he just keeps tweeting

now hey they're actually not very good send yeah why is everyone so mad so he said leon drysaddle 14 it's 14.4 but he says 14 million conor mcdavid 12.5 it's 14.4 14.4 why is that weird to me why is that so much higher well that extra half a million yeah that made me go wow well that's how much by by the way and we'll get into this that's how much per year the the carolina hurricane saved on the seth jarvis deal by deferring salaries 400 grand um but connor mcdavid 12.5 he drew estimates evan bouchard at 10 million bucks that's probably true that's probably a little a little low yeah and then nurse and he's like now that is a pricey core for i thought you said drew and i was like when did you become an oiler not true holiday no uh or that guy uh so he's

estimating bouchard at 10 and then obviously nurse is making 9.25 till forever and that tweet's gone over really well in edmonton uh but i did it might end up in the edmonton journal who's to say but i want to uh i do want to say that having leon there and committed to that city for that long has got to make oilers fans feel pretty good and i think and we won't talk about it yet but after the broberg holloway um deals edmonton oilers fans kind of and i get it took it a little personally that these guys would be hey we just went to the finals and you're gonna go sign with the st louis not probably in the playoffs blues yeah um now listen it's more money so like i'm in but uh uh you know this is gonna be a pricey core four in edmonton if they hope to hang on to

connor mcdavid and evan bouchard i'm doing it that's is it not true hey that's so annoying i'm not talking to these guys anymore i'm speaking to edmonton out there to listen to a toronto media a guy come on the air the moment dry sidle signs his contract and go you know what pricey core four it's true that's annoying as hell if i'm in edmond no you know he's got a point you know where is he wrong you know what i mean this is a this is a fantastic contract this is why do you like this contract nobody in the entire nhl since leon dry soda has become an nhl player has been better in the playoffs than leon dry side and that is where everything matters you have the best playoff performer on your team you lock them up for whatever it costs there's there's

no looking at this like the situation in toronto because those guys in toronto prove nothing and have before signing and after they have done nothing before and done nothing after this is a team that was a couple goals away from the stanley cup and lifting it over their heads they got to game seven it's not the same there's nothing to do with toronto who cares what you pay for dry so he's worth every single penny that you give him no here like let me give you an idea of how little you regret or lament a single dollar that well you don't dry some can't you cannot so if you if you go and look at the all-time points per game leaders it's gretzky followed pretty closely by lemieux and no one's freaking close no one is bloody close after that here are the playoff

scores points per game since 2017 which was uh this oilers group's first foray into the stanley cup playoffs connor mcdavid 1.58 points per game leon dry sidle 1.46 the next closest guy is nikita kucherov who i think we can all agree is a really really good playoff really a card trophy winner but still good yeah no but you you forget that he has one already oh but he's not a two-timer yeah but like he's not good enough for this i can okay yeah as long as we got our facts listen i have one i'm in mid-season form here i'm just gonna piss everybody off let's go dude what 1.28 wow like it's a it's a drop that's correct yeah it is a drop this guy mcdavid's got 37 goals in 74

so they both played 74 games McDavid has 37 goals to dry sidles 41 where McDavid has him beaten is 80 assists to 67 which he scored friggin nearly half of those this year

but what does Adam Wilde always say dude I'm stupid I'm a big idiot with a big head got a big dumb truck as well i that's my bob dylan that's all he hates yeah that's my number one thing to annoy my wife with what because she always goes oh what was it gonna say and i go oh i'm so silly and i'm a big stinky

poo head cut her off right away and she always remembers exactly what she was gonna say oh she doesn't she doesn't uh what adam always says is that goals matter more than us they do and leon dry saddle has outgold conor mcdave my favorite my favorite stat about leon dry saddle is not from this playoffs but the previous one where the edmonton oilers were out in the second round because leon dry saddle was the league leader in goals on his own until game seven of the stanley cup final when jonathan marshall tied him and they remained tied when the playoffs ended with 13 he had 13 goals didn't make it past the second round i don't care what this guy does in the regular season i mean i care a little bit at 14.4 million but this guy is best playoff performer

is he is he getting into the the oilers have to do some stuff but are we talking best player performer of the era on a per game basis i'm not talking about how the team did i'm talking on a per game basis if name a better one the only guy in the conversation is mcdavid and a lot of people are going to hate that lightning fans are going to hate you for this it's not close it's not close kutra if it were close kutrov would have uh comparable numbers um in the more games that he's played and it's not and i would argue that some of those lightning teams appear more complete as a roster they're better teams yeah best goalie in the world best decor in a generation it doesn't take anything away one time our trophy winner yeah what yeah only the one time only the

one yeah i skipped a whole season though like dude so i i don't think you had the did you have the actual games played numbers with march so i didn't have that no so it's 13 goals to 13 dry saddle and marches so tied it's 22 games to 12 it's just the same he's so stupid dude that's so goofy it's it's it's there are no question marks every um you know when the core four was locked into their first core fourness um not whatever they're going into now but when they were all locked into those contracts they really had not done a freaking thing and they still haven't um this one you're locking up but you're you're paying someone the most in the nhl and it'll probably end up being the second most in a couple years to be the first or second best

playoff performer in the league seems seems logical done easy where do i sign like i want I want to know what he asked for. I want to know what his initial ask was. It wasn't 14.4. The amazing thing, guys, is watching the Edmonton media react to it because they're like, wow, he took a deal. Okay. All right.

I don't know if he took a deal. Like a discount? Like a discount. They're like, yeah, this guy took a discount. I think he's probably getting paid exactly what he should be. I think you're right on that. I don't think either side kind of compromised or gave in or gave a little more.

I think this is what it should be. he's gonna be the highest paid player by over a million dollars and whoa it's a deal people are like well what about by year eight it's like no one cares no one cares what's the maximum you can be paid oh man it was like 16.4 last year okay because yeah it's constantly changing yeah it goes a certain percentage of the cap yeah i don't know where i'll text someone who does know and i'll get you an answer on that yeah but like what's the closest anyone has got to that threshold right like you're you're not getting there like i don't know why we're using that when we've never used it right well no but that's like if we're talking about guys in an open market and the

value of them to a team connor mcdavid should make the maximum amount you can be paid so let's say it's 18 just because i don't know the number mcdavid should get 18 mcday yeah if if we're just going by like the value to a team no player is it should all open market it should all trickle down from there it all should be relative you know the guys who are worth half of mcdavid should be making around that number i just i remember when mcdavid signed his contract the 12.5 and no one was making 12.5 or close to it at the time and so you know that number was a factor no player and now i'm like i i'd sign it before seeing the number that's that's ridiculous that we would ever blink at 12.5 all right guys here my ask is just shut up are you sweet mouth connor

let me sign that for you yeah let me let me here here i brought i brought two pens in case yours runs out of ink here we go yeah yeah like i don't know you look at the extension that steph curry signed his extension is the maximum that he can sign that he's eligible for he's gonna make 60 million dollars or whatever 62 62 is that the number i think so so so you know you qualify for whatever level of player you are like scotty barnes and his extension it's like okay he gets the rookie max level extension because he hit all the check marks and he signs for that and they always just sign for the maximum that they can sign because that is the value that they have placed in the cba for this guy it's like okay you're you've qualified for this extension you

are amongst that player so here it is we figure out the rest of the roster the guys who aren't as valuable that are interchangeable and that's why you have guys on nba rosters making a couple million and guys making 62 million and i feel like the nba of the nhl should work more from like a stars and scrubs scenario where it's like you have an 18 million dollar mcdavid but you have a couple defensemen who are making a million dollars because that's their worth and they're interchangeable i think that would make more sense in the free market i this is a this is completely no no i know i know i apologize can i jump in with the real hard number yeah yeah 88 million is the team salary cap this year no player can earn more than 17.6 million this year

so you would expect that um that percentage goes up next year i think that's close to 20 if it's not 20 so i would imagine that if say mcdavid signs his extension he's got two more years you know mcdavid's cracking 15 is he cracking 16 so connor mcdavid starts two years from now connor mcdavid's eligible for an extension on july 1st that's right yeah this upcoming 2025 july 1st this this one and he can make more in aggregate if he stays in edmonton obviously because he can sign the eighth year so that brings his aav down but if he were to go to ufa oh man right like what oh man like we'll never i don't think we'll ever see a max player no i think you should i think you should i think if anybody's worth it if it's ever gonna be a max

level player it's connor mcdavid yeah he should make 18 mil because it's gonna be in around 18 or 18 and a half or whatever it is when the salary cap goes up he should make 18 million dollars so okay i don't know how you figure out the rest of the roster it's not my business but uh you should is there a maximum salary in the nhl yeah so it's 20 so if the n20 20 is your max every year uh and so i think oh math here we go so if we're talking about the salary cap going up another three or four million which they're projecting this year they're expecting 92 to be the salary cap next year and then when connor's deal strikes it'll be like 96 97 million so the max so he's this year is 17.6 yeah so the closest anyone is is matthews is like nearly what four and

a half mil yeah because he's the highest paid this year like this is this is what i'm saying max nhl cap hit has never been close to a factor no no so like he's not getting it why not get you should offer it to him why not why not maybe he's the first one yeah well matthews no i mean probably wait a few years probably let's be honest let's be does it screw the leaf sorry there you go no you wouldn't do that no i know the cap in three four years let's say 100 million so uh 20 20 million dollars oh i can do this one all right conor mcdavid's a 20 million dollar player let's say he signs the maximum he signs a bridge deal and then in two years he signs again oh i think you can figure out the rest of the roster with 80 million dollars

it feels more reasonable you know well that's if the cap goes up to 100 and he's gonna get more than 20 of your offense you know right yeah like connor's getting i don't know what his like connor and leon together i don't know what percentage of those offense they make up like how many goals scored how many assists you know but like whatever it is it's a lot and this is if it's if the percentage you can make the argument in that if he can if he can bring x amount of percent of points to the team like this many points out of the 100 that we get uh then the 20 is worth it well this is what's been frustrating uh with the conversation about the leafs and getting rid of marner or whoever um well if if they if they do this and do that and do that oh

so if they make no mistakes oh yeah you know what why hadn't they thought of that you know what i mean oh brad what if you just didn't make any mistakes huh yeah you ever thought of that hey could the Oilers win with a $20 million McDavid if they just don't make any mistakes? They could. I bet they could. You know what? Get on it. Get on it. There you go. There's your plan. No mistakes.

You started this segment saying that this had nothing to do with the Toronto Maple Leafs. It does. And I'm here to tell you it does. Okay. In what way? Well, Steve just made it about the Leafs. I did. I did. No, listen. 14.4 for dry saddle. Where do I sign? By the way, I want to say something just as an aside. We don't have a lot of Leafs news

in in today's show i'll have something tomorrow probably where's hawk and paw but but where is hawk where is somebody find this man oh yeah he uh he just signed with the oilers by the way just just in in generally like i find the way you say brad is way funnier than the way you used to say kyle there's something about brad brad that when you're mad when you get a little it's just a funnier name because rad kyle is funnier to say when you're kyle like you're really trying to level with him brad it's like brad yes yes just the way it says you know anyway i'm just throwing that kyle it's like kyle you're better than that i brad it's you're you're not you're not all right brad just uh to cap that conversation because i took us on a

weird journey i think it's interesting to think about if you paid connor mcdavid what he should be paid which is 17.6 million dollars is it reasonable to build an nhl team probably not because of the way you need so many guys but i think it's interesting that no player gets paid what they're worth like no players even no like um uh the closest to by the way the closest to how much each player is worth is the guys that are making like three or four million they're actually worth that oh yeah i should i should qualify that and say the high-end players like if you if you the middle group yeah there's a lot of guys overpaid in there i mean like the top end of the stars yeah the uh i think it was don decision's model he's like oh yeah mcdavid

should be getting like 25 yeah or something like that and you look at that and go well that's completely ridiculous that's double what he's making but like yeah absolutely he should be there are a lot of six seven million dollar guys who are not half as good as connor mcdavid oh yeah not even close i talk about this in in fantasy a lot for fantasy hockey when people like need help with their drafts and stuff and if you have an auction draft i always encourage everybody just overpay for the high-end guys because their value of what you're going to pay is so much better than you trying to piecemeal five million five dollar guys a bunch of those guys together just pay this the 55 fee and get mcdavid because his production is going to be

quadruple that of like three ten dollar guys you're not going to know lachari and noah gregor this one no right they're they're on the waiver wire what if you were completely efficient and fucking nailed it with everything to the dollar like 0.00 left the cat oh you know what's really good what's a great strategy is think you're so fucking smart stop what stop what what do you need to stop i didn't even say any names steve do you remember the moment last season where they were one injury away from not being able to feel the lineup which team was that jesse the toronto maple you ever notice every year there's an injury that happens that if it didn't they'd win remember when their sixth string goalie almost played if they got one more injury yeah what are

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Oh, it didn't work. I don't want to start any fires outside the meeting of the three rivers in Pittsburgh. But what does this mean for the still unsigned, despite the Canadian media, still unsigned Sidney Crosby? It's September the 3rd, gentlemen. Sidney Crosby was supposed to be signed by now. We'd heard from The Athletic in Pittsburgh that right after CJ made the comment, by the way on the cj show coming back thursday oh boy right after they made that comment hey well it's not signed yet it's not looking great that oh they were closer not a single thing we thought

maybe crosby's birthday eight seven august 7th even though he's never done that yeah no oh who thought that i just internet cj pointed that on uh pointed that out on his show he was like he's never done that though yeah he's never once done that why why did anybody think that was gonna because it's cute funny yeah i don't know i don't know because we just wanted to be cutie patooties jesse okay all right uh this time last season what were we talking about in relation man how about that weather how bad the penguins july 1st was i was talking you were still on that but we were talking about how steven stamkos was disrespected all summer long and we got back in september and that was some of the biggest news we could talk about yes the captain

of a team a franchise player a man who's going to have a statue one day outside of the arena being unsigned and how they didn't really negotiate with him during the summer and they would not until the offseason started and what eventually happened we got to around the end of june and they said you know what we're still negotiating through the weekend and all this stuff and then on a sunday just before july 1st it came out that stamkos would be leaving the tampa bay lining yes So don't rule out the possibility here that we see some drama with Sidney Crosby. And I feel like it's sacrilegious to say that, but who knows? To be fair, I didn't think we'd be here with Stamkos.

I don't know that Kyle Dubas is going to offer Sidney Crosby a contract that says, we actively don't want you. Please don't sign this. Love the team that you've only ever played for, which is what the Lightning, that's what Breezewa gave Stamkos. Like, please, please don't sign this. He would have to wear a mustard-colored suit to every game. Kyle?

Yeah. Because he'd be covered in it? Yeah, fans would just, like, he would have to adapt. He would have to, I mean, wouldn't you? Yeah. If someone ran Sidney Crosby out of Pittsburgh? Listen. I'm sorry, but we needed to save some dollars.

It's a bit peculiar that he's not signed. That's all. Next. Now, how does this affect the Leafs? Next year, Sidney Crosby does not have a contract. Like next summer? That's just fact, right? As of right now, Sidney Crosby does not have a place to play.

Stay to the camera. As of right now, Sidney Crosby does not have a place to play next season. That is just factual information. Here's what's going to happen. He signs a contract after this show? No. Because we have a show tomorrow as well. He signs a show tomorrow.

He signs a contract tomorrow afternoon or Thursday or Thursday morning. But no, tomorrow afternoon is way funnier. The moment Jesse presses upload publish, it's boom. We'll be texting Steve. You better do a video. And I'll be like, fuck you. Oh, wait. Oh, no, I'm not on vacation anymore.

Where does Crosby play next season? I hope it's I hope it's retired team that goes to the playoffs. He's going to retire. Shut up. No, I don't know. Adam, what's your prediction? I want a team that's going to the playoffs, so it can't be Pittsburgh. Damn.

See, Pittsburgh's not bad enough to be out of contention. The Metropolitan is not the Midtropolitan this year. Oh, I didn't say they're going to make it. I just said, like... They're not bad enough to be out. They're literally the 2006-2007 Leafs. Kind of. They're not bad, except those Leafs were actually bad.

Crosby's a hair better than Sundin. Yeah, just a bit. Just a hair. but my point in that is saying they were in the in that in that area you don't want to be where you're always picking 14th or 15th but you never make the playoffs you know it's listen listen penguins fans i think are being a little unfair about this i get it i get oh i get it i get it i totally get it but if this were any other star player we'd be well within our rights to be like hey that's weird that's a little odd and they just go ain't shit oh canada again there you are

canadian media being we all know canada's full of pieces of shit except you said except you beautiful bouncing baby boy well you know i love that i don't know why he's a country the 10th of the size of the states is like is bullying the american media i'm petting him the wrong way i'm what are you doing what are you doing petting him you're petting crosby yeah okay i'm stroking his beautiful black hair all right adam continue please i just want to uh i want to say this uh moving on from the pittsburgh penguins um that seth jarvis and this is where we get into the what you missed this summer thing okay so we've got a bunch of store stories and headlines we will not get to them all today there just is not time can we keep teasing the lining trade and

then not do it uh oh yeah i'm leaving the line because why montreal well because people are so angry that uh looks like we're doing it that steve didn't do a montreal or a line a trade video they're like yeah it's leaf spires didn't know i'm like nah he was on vacation man and i jumped on with cj who was nice enough to come off of vacation to just put something out there but like uh but anyway so i'm i'm leaving the line a train for right no let's do it oh no it was first uh I don't think it's interesting. Okay. Yeah, no.

Seth Jarvis, if you missed it, signed a contract. Very big extension, $63.2 million. But it's weird and different, and nobody in the NHL has ever used this device, despite the fact that it's been a part of the salary cap for 20 years, because the NHL is not that creative. Supposedly Shane Doan signed one. Well, and so did Jacob Slavin this year.

And none of us noticed? None of us noticed. So the Hurricanes used it twice in one summer. Now, the reason that we didn't know about the Slaven one was because it doesn't really make that much of a difference. It's going to be, it brings his contract, I think his hit will be 6.461, but is actually going to pay 6.396 or something.

So it's not a huge difference, but it is there. But it's deferred. It is deferred. Which is crazy. But if you're wanting to know, here's how it works, and Daily Faceoff did this. Take the total dollars of the contract, $62.3 million, divided by the length of the deal, eight years, and you arrive at $7.9 million per year. With this deal, Jarvis will land on the Canes books at approximately $7.5 million per year rather than the $7.9 million, a savings of $400,000 each season. Now, nobody wants to divulge when this money will be paid, which year of the deal it's deferred to, but there is a deferred signing bonus payment that is scheduled for July 1st, 2032, which is one day after the contract expires.

So he is going to have a gigantic bonus in the 2030s for signing this contract at the end of it. So 400 grand per year, roughly. So you're looking at a few million bucks at the end of this deal. Now, a lot of players wouldn't want to do deferrals because when you defer, the money, $400,000 now is worth a lot more than $400,000 in six or seven years. You're buying potential with 400 grand now is much higher, especially when you give it to a money manager and put it in the markets, which is what these guys do. So I don't see this, like people instantly leave Twitter

and it's like, well, how come we haven't done this? And it's like, well, we don't need to. We're the rich guys, right? So we're going to pay you all up front, and you come sign here, and you give that to a money manager. And that contract, that $100 million we gave you, is now actually worth $115, $120 million at the end of that contract. The benefit for the team is very obvious. Yes. The benefit for the player is less obvious.

Not obvious at all. Or potentially non-existent? Shohei Otani, I don't know why he did that. But I guess when you sign for $700 million, it really doesn't matter. Maybe that was the only way to get that money. yeah that amount of the way california taxed yeah he's skirting california taxes so if he just if he makes his primary residence when he leaves uh the dodgers when the contract is done if he makes it uh japan then he'll not have to pay a whole bunch of taxes and like the way they're also

accumulating the money for the contract is through interest so they're dropping it into a fund that's collecting interest on the money and eventually it's going to reach the amount that they need to him the 700 million or whatever and then he can take all that and say i'm living back in japan because i know they're gonna play baseball in california not have to pay a bunch of taxes and they kind of earn the money through the bank system which is crazy it's really creative that's just a kind of a simple over explanation right i love that yeah i love that it's it is creative you love cheating the government i do no i don't uh no as i dropped my daughter at public school this morning yeah no i love cheating the government um no you had to pull over three times because

he lost a tire in a pothole. Goddamn taxes. No, I love the tires. I'm against taxing the rich. Tax them less.

Let's go, Elon. Sorry. Hey, I'm starting a podcast. Did you hear? Did you hear Adam wear his feed the rich shirt?

Feed the rich. Yeah. Sustain the rich. Corporate socialism. That's my favorite. Should we sell that in the shop? Feed the rich.

Feed the rich. With Adam's face on it no he munched it on a burger um yeah so all right so anyway the money the money has been uh deferred the the contract signed and i know cj is going to have a deeper look at the uh at the seth jarvis contract but i just want to remind you that because it is always about the leafs that was a leafs pick the seth jarvis pick was the leafs pick that they sent kyle dubas sent he didn't sign the contract to carolina for patrick marlo who carolina then bought out and then patrick went and re-signed i believe with the sharks and then later played with the

penguins and uh the leafs had to trade that first round pick to get rid of him that was a lula amorello contract and it was because of dubas trade and i believe that they had to do that because they had the Marner and Nylander extensions. Yeah, because they kept living beyond their means. Well, Seth Jarvis, one of the coolest guys in the NHL, too. He rules. Great two-way player. Hey, we can't afford these guys.

What if we do it anyway? What if we sign them anyway and deal with the consequences? And then the consequences show up, and we're like, when did you get here? And then you lose in the first round. No guarantee, by the way, the Leafs would have picked Seth Jarvis. They did not draft him. Carolina did.

No, take the worst player, and it would have been that one. Yeah, it's just the scouting. No, the Leafs draft well. No, I'm just being a jerk. Okay, finally you get this, Montreal fans, because you've been requesting it. I'm leaving the room. Patrick Lyonnais on August 19th was traded to the Montreal Canadiens by the Columbus Blue Jackets. The Canadians received, sorry, the Columbus Blue Jackets received Jordan Harris

and a second round pick in 2026, which is two drafts from now. And it seems like a nice little restart for Patrick Laine. The Montreal Canadiens take his $7 million salary or 7 point whatever million dollar salary. More than that. Oh, is it 8.7 now?

Remember we had this conversation. I was like, yeah, I don't understand why someone doesn't take a chance. I thought he was making like six and a quarter. No, he's making like eight something. Oh, it's eight something. Yeah. And like, so it's...

Eight, seven. eight seven what a perfect risk yeah for the montreal canadians a hundred percent uh a hundred percent and they pay very little to take that risk jordan harris is a nice player nice player second round pick they've made a hundred of those over the past three four years or whatever um no uh it's it's a good good fit good fit like sometimes uh remember the i gotta make it about the leafs but this it's about the blue jackets yeah um the blue jackets had nathan horton and they were never going to be able to get rid of nathan horton and the leafs had david clarkson and they were never going to be able to get rid of david clarkson and then they were traded for

each other and the whole hockey world went oh yeah of course like yeah why didn't they just try that um and that came down to the leafs had insured clarkson's contract and the blue jackets were like no we don't we don't want to pay that extra fee i think it was something like that and then that's exactly what happened well there you go would you sign a 60 million dollar deal you get insurance man it's a lot of money your mind anyway benefited the leafs yeah well you know when i sign a 60 million dollar contract that's what i'm thinking of uh but it looks like um uh the montreal canadians lineups will or the first top six will look like this lefkovsky suzuki caulfield likely new hook doc and patrick line and i got a lot of shit on habs twitter uh this

summer because the way that they had talked or the way that we edited the clip i it didn't mention that i mentioned kirby doc um so that on the on the tiktok which you can go back and you can see You can see a bunch of angry Montreal fans because I said they're a little thin at second line center. And people go, you don't know about Kirby Doc. And I'm like, I do. I just know he missed most of last year with an injury. You don't know about Kirby Doc.

You've barely watched him play. He had 38 points in 52 games the previous year. I get it. But like, we don't know what he can do. Right. That's also fine. Like, oh yeah. What about this guy who has like bang average production?

Like, what are you talking about? well and i like i believe in this guy i do but like stop talking about him like he's the sure thing no he's not are the canadians a playoff team this season no no no no no what we gotta figure out which side of our mouth to talk out of here because i this was one of the final conversations that we had um and i was like it'd be nice for them to take a step this year now they didn't have patrick liney no so that's a bit different um i can't think of any other moves that they made between that conversation and this but uh i i think i like i feel even stronger about that now than i did before we left for break at the end of july they're going to be a better team

this year than they were last year just based on injuries alone yeah it's going to be borderline impossible for them to do worse um i feel like their goaltending is is a is somewhat but somewhat stable. Montembeau and Primo. Primo was pretty good last year. I mean, they lose Allen, but Montembeau's pretty good. Primo's pretty good.

Or he's gotten better anyway. Defense is still pretty thin. Matheson, Savard, Jack, I, Baron, Hudson, Struble, Gooley. It's not great. I'm excited to see Lane Hudson full-time. 100%.

100%. I think they'll score goals. It's not the deepest decor, but yeah. It's young. Yeah, it's young. Whatever. I think they'll score goals.

They have increasing offensive depth. Are they an automatic playoff team? I don't know about that, but they're going to be better this year. They have to take a step. My big debate is who finishes with more points. Is it Montreal or Ottawa? And I think Montreal could take a bite out of the Detroit Red Wings too. I think that Montreal, this is assuming line A finds his form

and is back to, say, 25, 30 goals, okay? Because that was a big sticking point for Montreal last year. They really, outside of that first line, couldn't score a lot. And so if they're going to take a step forward, we have to look at who they're going to take points from. If Slav builds on the second half, too.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I look at where Detroit was, and they faltered. I look at Ottawa. You know, they've got Linus Olmark. That's a big deal. But, like, and Perron's great. great character ad they needed that they talked about that they tried to get tana they couldn't

get tana yeah but the big deal is they couldn't stop a beach ball and they had a guy who won the two years ago which is great yeah yeah but like you know buffalo question marks there yeah things are also a little bit more stable just overall in ottawa you know now you have a guy suspended for gambling reasons anymore the ownership's not going to be just getting their office furniture in there you know everything's a little just kind of you're not gonna lose your first round pick you're not gonna lose your first round pick i feel like things are this year are finally like okay let's have a calm year in ottawa not be a complete tire fire at the canadian tire center who's bad like oh there there are teams where i'm like i don't really know if they're gonna make the

play like who's bad the ducks the ducks this is what i'm talking about like in the atlantic division nobody the sharks no one not a single team the sharks are bad but they're better but they're still bad but they're better there you go there there's a team with a purpose that's what you meant by taking a step right is that they're not as bad as they were the year before right right but there are so many like every year there'll be a team a rebuilding team and we're like you're not even taking a step though you know what i mean yeah the sharks that's such a good example they could still finish last they might even have fewer points probably not but they i could i know i'll be able to watch their games this year and be like ah yeah they're better and

i honestly think the sharks are going to be halfway decent this year and finish like six or seventh in the division uh that's pretty bad though yeah it's bad but i don't think they're going to be that bad you know they're not going to be like last year's abysmal team yeah not be halfway to watch it maybe i i think i look at linea's first four years in winnipeg 36 44 30 and 28 those are the goal totals and the 28 was only because he played less games right 1920 yeah um you know what we all know what happened in 20 uh but you know he did 26 with the blue jackets two years ago 22 sorry that's three years ago 22 two years ago you know last year he was in the substance abuse program and and um and has kind of come out the other side and is as player assistance sorry

let me say that again player assistance program my apologies because one is not the other yes um But, you know, this is a guy who, are we expecting him to get to the 40 goal heights that he got to in 17-18? And if not, is that still okay? Because 25 to 30 is exactly what the Habs need. I think he can build to it. And the Habs have time to build to it. Listen, you're making 8.7. Once this team is good, yeah, at that amount of money, yeah, you got to be around 40.

you do uh 30 35 40 but he has time to build and if you look at the blue jackets the last couple years like no one scored no oh nobody everyone had a really freaking center yeah and they had defensive minded coaches too who weren't like all that like you you're putting patrick linea with marty st louis and how was marty st louis on on offense he's pretty decent how was he on the power play he was uh he was left-handed but a killer like he's you're talking about a guy who could just clap the thing i i montreal like we're talking about addressing weaknesses i don't think their power play is going to be as bad no certainly not this is what i'm saying i really like basically everything they've done in recent memory um i don't think you do it's not enough

for habs i know it's the habs i can't even remember what i was doing the day that trade broke where it's like dude i'm with my family stop it um hey why didn't you make it we're a network we got cj people were we made the cj video it did like 80 000 views and people were still mad at you for not doing it it was great keep it up we got cj out of bed for you and it still wasn't enough jesse i thought you were gonna say something there no oh you're yeah you're all good i looked at him like what does jesse i think i think you i think you got off the point uh which is what are we talking about we're still talking about seth jarvis right uh linea is a really good match for the montreal canadians and you're right i think he can build to it what what's a gentleman

what's a reasonable expectation if patrick linea plays a game 78 games this year because everybody has maintenance days yeah uh what what what's a reasonable amount in terms of his production yeah like what are you hoping for goals wise i could see 25 35 like 25 goals 35 assists yeah as like a base i can see him doing much better than that but as a base i think he's good for that to be fair in his career he's never had more than 35 assists so uh that number is probably a little high yeah his career high in assists is 35 in the 1920 season and 68 games he at 28 35 wow here's here's his biggest problem so 73 82 82 followed by 68 46 56 which is actually a full season uh or no it wasn't that year no that was the year before dude he misses so much

time like his playmaking numbers are actually way better than they look like in a full 82 game season 35 assists is downright reasonable but you're right he's only done it once if he were to play 80 like the problem with these pre-season discussions is you can't account for how much time a guy's gonna miss right exactly but if he plays 82 25 35 i think that's perfectly reasonable yeah i like that i like that two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from

the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca you gotta try breakfast And what better way than with a delicious Pratt Organic Coffee, starting with just $1 all day, every day, now until December 31st. At participating A&W locations in Ontario. now uh the other edmonton oilers news this year uh or this august was the broberg holloway rfas and and the the great quote from doug armstrong saying uh i would offer sheet my mother's team if if if i had to dude um that was such a shame he wasted that quote in august i know it's the quote of the year and like no one reacted i know quote of the year now uh and that all stems from the fact that uh he's really good friends with ken holland and there were people i think jim matheson

specifically in edmonton said yeah i don't think that if ken holland were still here that this would have happened oilers media going to bat for the team you say yeah well what so what um they never do that now what happened here was holloway and broberg had remained unsigned and there are reports now that have said that i guess management asked ken holland to sign these guys in january and they were not either offered deals or they were offered deals well below what they thought they could be worth.

And to be fair, Holloway was asking like, it's like a million bucks. Like it wasn't crazy money. But here's what Holloway said about it. He said, we knew about the offer sheet before we had any negotiations

with Edmonton. So Edmonton, we're talking August and Edmonton has not called. That's bad. Wow. Which is kind of weird, he said.

we were trying to get the deal done but he's the bad guy and i didn't think we were asking for anything crazy at all if anything we were very upfront with edmonton the whole time even about the whole offer sheet we explained it to them hey this is an option for us can we get a deal done like as in edmonton holloway and he said it was very weird the way they handled it so i felt like i had no other option but to sign the offer sheet because remember you can be offered the offer sheet and there's an expiry on the on the offer sheet right it was 72 hours or 24 hours or 48 hours whatever it's you don't even have to sign it you don't even have to sign it you could just wave it over edmonton's head i could sign this i could do it that's supposedly what happened with uh

marner is the blue jackets offer sheeted him and he was just like meh yeah no didn't take it yeah because you know people have other considerations other than just the money but what i find that quote to me we knew about the offer sheet before we had any negotiations with edmonton i know that they've just signed leon dry sidle but it's difficult and i i know edmonton oilers fans took it personally and i get that too i understand but it's difficult specifically with holloway i don't know broberg's story quite as well because he hasn't been as open about it difficult to get mad when you haven't been offered a deal when the team does not offer you a contract broberg was offered like two and a half times what the oilers supposedly offered him i think for each so they

offered him something yeah okay uh or like or what his ask was um listen you know adam you were sitting there a couple days ago and alan walsh was sitting in uh jesse's seat yes that was an incredible incredible season debut of agent yeah agent provocateur is back we talked about the askeroff stuff we talked about holloway broberg we talked about uh chl players sitting out training camps getting ready for the nhl it was great it's fantastic how alan met his wife that was actually very good too yeah um but they're talking about like the sweet spot for um offer sheets for offer sheets yeah and both of these guys were offered a lot a lot but not a criminal amount of money like this isn't like cockney emmy for example he was offered six million bucks and was not worth

close to it he wasn't what to habs fans he was well he wasn't and yeah i know he wasn't but we knew we sort of that's a different situation because we knew how it was really gonna go he was gonna sign us uh the six mil for one year habs weren't gonna match then hurricanes extend him long term at a lower number which is what they ended up doing um but you have the oilers who are helpless they're completely helpless in this situation if you offer sheet these guys to too much money for them but not for you and the cost for you is a second and a third oh don't forget they made another trade with a third which i hate by the way i hate a lot dog armstrong i think dog dog shouldn't have given them the chance well no he assured it at that point yeah

so what happened was doug armstrong traded he gifted the oilers a couple ty emerson and oh wait is that ty no no no that's the the cc deal oh right sorry that's the cc deal i have a whole thing on the oilers made the cc deal yeah which was just good business outside of the offer sheets like yeah get out from under that contract he's not that good uh you didn't play him in game seven like what does that tell you mr game seven um it's it's just good business to do that but doug armstrong had to bribe stan bowman with like a couple middling picks to no call his bluff stan i like i've got you i've got you stan are you really gonna sign phil broberg to four million bucks you're you're gonna sign these guys to six and a half mil or whatever it was total

go right ahead you're talking about the 20 28 third and paul fisher that st louis sent to edmonton which is nothing to guarantee the uh offer sheet guys coming back like listen if it gets you across the finish line fine but sitting where i am with you know i'm not doug armstrong so i can say whatever i you know what i would have kicked his ass no you know what if i was there if i was there i love being that guy i agree with great all you need is a microphone you should uh you should they should just made him do it if you're actually gonna restrain these guys at that cap hit that you can't sacrifice right now do it i dare you i bet you will yeah you know what i bet you will yeah here you go no i think um do something because you're mad at me do something

stupid because you're mad at me i think st louis could have easily got those two guys without paying the extra third and absolutely yeah i mean it at least you hurt a team in your division yeah like Dude, okay, Holloway and Broberg at those cap hits. Not in the same division. Sorry, conference. Holloway and Broberg at that cap hit does not really affect the St. Louis Blues. It hurts the Oilers. If they were to keep those guys at those cap hits, what do you do?

Does the dry sidle deal that we got today look the same? Well, I think it does. Probably. I think you work around that. You have to shed more than CeCe, though. You do have to shed more than CeCe. yeah and and well what they could have done like to within a very small dollar amount is put evander kane on ltir right but then you couldn't accrue cap space which is what they wanted to do

which is smart so here's what stan bowman had to say it's um uh he said it was nice to see that oilers are a destination for players that are focused more so on trying to win a championship I think he's talking specifically about Jeff Skinner you know and then they obviously kept Brown Nugent Hopkins, Yan Mark on the last previous years, Adam Henrique he said it's obvious that the players that

chose to come up to Edmonton likely left money on the table this came down to a business decision relative to our short term as well as long term viability for our roster with the salary cap when you put this whole situation together we feel like we've been able to and then he paused

gives us a lot of flexibility and options moving forward now i think the best thing that this necessitated for the edmonton oilers and i had the distinct pleasure of watching every edmonton playoff game from the second round onwards dude it was awesome we were i streamed every freaking one until the play until the finals but we watched the finals you were doing the streams right they played they they played the canucks by the way when they sat cc and put broberg in the guy averaged over 15 minutes a night and he was extremely valuable and i think people are sleeping and he is he a four million dollar defenseman in the nhl yet no but if you're sleeping it's like they're not paying attention if you don't think broberg's going to be a lot more of a factor in st louis

this year than he was it was his coming out party and the best thing for the oilers best things for oilers fans yeah you got leon dry saddle but your coach can no longer put cody cc on the ice it's And it's not anything against Cody personally, but for whatever reason, Ottawa, Toronto, Edmonton, the three cities he's played in Pittsburgh,

every Pittsburgh to every coach that gets this guy is like, you know what? He seems like the kind of guy I'm going to throw it in a situation that he absolutely cannot handle. And not only, not only am I going to do it once, I'm going to do it the whole fucking year, the whole year.

If you, you know what? Morgan Riley, you're gonna play with Morgan Riley all year. If your kid shoots, right? I think you have, you have a responsibility as a parent to brainwash them into liking playing defense well and so dude

there's a shortage so here's the shortage and this is where san jose wins cody cc's getting moved for a first at the deadline i don't know about a first but i agree with a loaf i agree with what yourself like a 31st overall first round someone is absolutely it might be edmonton oh why not yeah yeah like i don't know if it'll be a first but like i was i was thinking about that i'm like could they just get him back yeah at the deadline if they really wanted to um if emerson or whoever doesn't work out emerson by the way seems like the perfect guy to slot into a six seven role because i went i went through some of the athletic had a whole breakdown on just emerson alone i guess he's a great skater um they say that the issue with him strategically is that

he doesn't his brain doesn't move as fast as his feet yet that's a lot but you can fix that that is uh you can't fix speed he was ahl if i'm not mistaken defensive defenseman of the year with chris knoblock as his coach i like that move that's a good move okay do you want this guy making league min as your six seven or do you want cc who's making like three and a half it doesn't make sense it doesn't go to a team where it literally does not matter what you make in san Jose there you go get some retention at the deadline and you get them at a stomachable yeah yeah no perfectly fine uh CC on your cup contending team for the whole season at over three million dollars doesn't make any sense no doesn't make any sense you can't afford it are you a cap team

you cannot afford this player until until like February March you've accrued the the cap until Well, you've accrued the cap space to get CZ back. Right, right. Honestly, in terms of teams trading for him at the deadline, because we all agree that's what's going to happen. Yep. Oilers, top of the list. Top of the list.

Leafs? Might be number two, and I hate myself. I should mention that this broke a few minutes ago, and this is just a side piece. Steven Lawrence, the Stanley Cup winning Florida Panthers. He's a good player. uh has signed with the toronto maple leafs on a pto oh uh because the leafs need depth on the wing so i just thought i'd let you guys know that now what i want to ask that player hey i didn't

know that will when we get it when we talk about rfas because i talked about salary um what do they call it deferral earlier something that gms never have used and now they've now they're using it we saw a general manager who's not one of the young guys not mike greer not kyle dubas not one of the young guys we saw we saw an old guard general manager use it on another old guard general manager armstrong bowman i gotta those are names that have been around a long time armstrong's not as old as i thought 59 okay but still he's been the gm there for like 30 years like or whatever it is it's ridiculous can you imagine if that was true so no he i think he's been the gm there for 15 i actually do i think no i think it's been 40 but dog armstrong closest to

okay 15 years 15 years okay 15 closest to without going over oh you can change it you can show if you could yeah i'm giving you carte blanche to change 15 11 all right doug armstrong on name a previous blues general manager steve that's my point what was your guess steve john ferguson jr i think no he wasn't no he was agm yeah um sorry what what's your guess 11 Adam said 15 On May 29th The St. Louis Blues announced they had named Armstrong

As the club's director of player personnel After signing him to a two year contract When the two years were up Armstrong became the club's general manager Hmm So two years after he was named Club's director of player personnel Which was in 2008

2010 2010 10, the Blues named Armstrong GM. Oh, I think you went over by $1. By one year? No, you were so close. That's 14 years. I feel like Adam should win, but we clarified the rules.

We said the rules ahead of time. We said the rules. Can't go over. Steve wins. Rules. Steve wins on a technicality. But all the same, my point in this, and we got sidetracked there. old guard gm against other old guard gm both of these guys have won cups both of them have been

around a long long time and one of them double rfa'd another guy why not why okay but why not why not for the last 15 20 years but for whatever reason they haven't and i think that this because now the old guys are doing it well if it was dubious and mike greer it'd be like oh yeah that's what those young idiots do yeah but these guys are like well it's a good dog and it's Stan it makes sense yes but I'm looking forward to next season when it happens again because now that the old guys are doing it I think everybody's gonna do it I think this is the opening of the door so you and Alan talked about something on agent provocateur that I thought was fascinating and it sent me down this mental rabbit hole there is a an offer sheet

threshold where if it if you offer sheet a player and they sign it for below a certain number you don't have to compensate the other team at all yeah it's pretty high i do it in nhl all the time why don't people do this in real life if there's an rfa and you offer him less than 1.5 million dollars 1.5 or less because the compensation level to go up the next rung is 1.51 so if you from a 1.5 million dollar contract to an rfa you just get to offer that right and if they accept it then the other team has to match that number but there's no compensation you have to pay for that player that's literally just signing a free that's incredible now and nobody does it now let me ask this okay that sounds stupid and that's not going to help your team and how many players on the

inaugural vegas golden knights were making less than that oh like william carlson william carlson the first player that came to mind i feel like marsh or so was i think what was riley smith making like they were not those too much that's why he got moved okay that's fair um like derrick engeland like some of these guys yeah maybe you know i i just feel like yeah like it's it seems and by the way what jesse said is true that also goes up every year with the cap like if i i know they're not the same player but if someone would you trade nick robertson for a third round pick do you think that'd be good for the team no okay why can't what's stopping a team other than they don't think the player is good enough uh what's stopping a team from just giving robertson what

holloway got at least a match not a chance wait at 1.5 no no no holloway got 2.2 yeah he was in the other i think it was yeah yeah but like honest to goodness you could give robertson 1.5 i don't think and i how are the leafs are going to match that and then what it would if they matched it it would put them like a quarter million over the cap i don't think an offering team i think the reason that that hasn't happened yet at least right now is that nobody to this point believes that he's worth that that that is obviously the problem like and and obviously otherwise it would have happened we know that holloway and broberg are guys that are quote unquote are not worth that right but a lot of times and and i i look at say the jake sanderson

deal or the joseph wall deal or whatever and i'm not saying that these are the same these are two former first round picks for the edmonton oilers oh holloway and broberg but they're not we're not saying these guys are going to be generational stars or whatever a lot of players are a lot of teams are making bets on young players on longer term deals and paying them the money up front because it saves money in the end if these guys become super good. You know what helps? You don't have to use your imagination as much.

Ah. Because you've, oh yeah, but how are they going to do in the Stanley Cup final? You saw and they were both awesome. Yeah, I liked them a lot. I liked them a lot.

Particularly in that series. I know, everyone want to talk Holloway and I get it. I thought Broberg was awesome. Yeah. And nobody wants to give that guy his flowers, man. That guy rules.

I think it was good, especially in comparison. And I do think Edmonton's defense now looks a little thin yeah but it's october exactly well when the season begins it's october september 3rd right now and if you're the oilers you're like well apparently we can get by playing uh 30 45 days as one of the worst teams in the league and still make the cup final and everything's fine yeah it's true i have a real life example for what you guys are talking about right here the buffalo sabers have an rfa unsigned his name is peyton krebs oh i like it i don't think is

worth more than 1.5 million dollars he's only been on his entry-level contract he made 800 something grand i don't know if this next contract when they sign him is going to be much higher than that kind of one of the centerpieces of the eichel deal he was but since then he's had like no season over eight goals i don't believe his career high is 26 points yeah i don't think payton krebs has performed at a high level no it's the center for sure that i just had his contract history up there there's pain crumbs um if you why would you not just offer him 1.5 million dollars just a million even yeah well you want to do the highest oh i guess so and just see what happens you know who could use some depth the toronto maple leafs

well the sabers are a little different because i think they can just afford to match but like it would match that the reason i bring up robertson with the leafs is like they i don't think they can but in this situation where he's unsigned you force the sabers then to sign somebody right you know so like there's still something going on there where it's like he's sitting right now without a contract he played 80 games and at 17 points yeah that's that's what i'm saying like i don't know i don't know what buffalo thinks payton krebs is worth or what krebs thinks he's worth but just like offered if you're just sitting there to be like hey i'll make buffalo do something make them do something i'm gonna offer them 1.5 million dollars so then they have to match and we all move

on the interesting uh one people keep bringing up is the red wings who you could literally if you wanted to offer sheet murrit cider and uh lucas raymond lucas raymond on the same day yeah the problem is the red wings have like some of the most cap space in the entire league but you could do it just to just to make them make a decision yes that's all i'm all asking gms to do whenever gms talk about uh offer sheets they talk about um them succeeding that's not the only way to use them no you could do it literally just to fuck with your competitors pressure yeah well like okay you will you will you you know what i'm not going to do that because that's not how i run my teams and you're screwing with their business oh hi is this uh the agent for the player that

i'm hoping to sign exclusively to beat the shit out of the other team's players hi hi sorry i was just having some thoughts about how noble i am like i know what's what's the difference and i gotta be honest with you you could pick in the first round four times there's no guarantee you end up with a guy like mo cider there's no guarantee you end up with a guy like lucas raymond there are plenty of look at the Oilers who used to draft first overall all the time and how much now a couple of those guys worked out pretty well but like Hall and Eberle I'm speaking of specifically but that you know there are plenty plenty of picks Boston had three of them in a row and only one of those guys worked yeah you know you look at that you go and he's gone now by the

way and he's gone he's in Vancouver now he's gone for nothing they have nothing to show for those three firsts if i'm not mistaken like you don't even need to get to the three first level or the four first level or the two first if you offer sheeted lucas raymond 9.16 million dollars that only costs you a first a second and a third realistically are you getting that in a trade for lucas raymond no you want lucas raymond what i mean by that is you're not getting you're not calling stevie eisman and going i'll give you a first second and a third for lucas raymond no no i'd rather have thomas tatar like there i feel offer sheets are just so unused and that's reasonable like the the offer sheet for that range is 6.87 to 9.16 so whatever is in that range you

can force the hand of the red wings to either make a uh a signing that you think is maybe too much or too little or something but like force them to make this decision and then if you get him all you paid was a first a second and a third i would do that for lucas raymond like okay again going back to like you're we're lucas raymond's like high stakes sure and the red wings are going to match it go back to peyton krebs are they you give robertson to a hair under 2.3 the leafs are not matching that you you simply take him for a third round pick which is dick all yeah the least wouldn't do that trade if we said let's swap for a third they wouldn't take him take him and like i don't want this to happen by the way i very much like this player and want him to stay

take him you could do the same thing with peyton krebs like okay yeah he had 17 points that's shit yeah that's terrible 1.5 billion all right i'm way under just so you don't yell at me buffalo fans i'm way undervaluing the cost of peyton krebs just for the example like i assume peyton krebs himself would not accept an offer sheet of 1.5 million because he probably thinks he's worth more than that but even if you go to the third pick realm of the offer sheets it still makes sense absolutely it does and especially as the salary cap gets higher the higher it gets the more rfas make a lot of sense because that is going to stretch the bottom line out it's going to make those percentages go up and that number that low number like listen yeah maddie bring

this back up just just to emphasize adam's point when the salary cap goes up that no compensation level of 1.5 could be two million dollars yes so take them yeah well literally and like listen i would rather overpay nick robertson than pay guys that have come onto this roster and been and been useless like if i'm if i'm a leaf fan and i'm looking at this and like i'd nick robertson to me is he's going to be a 20 goal scorer this year if put in the right opportunity and i still think his best opportunity is with the toronto maple leafs and i know he doesn't want to be here i agree sign your one-year deal make yourself super valuable then they can trade you whatever i think he's going to sign here but what i find fascinating about this is that you're potentially

looking at for a third round pick guys a 20 goal scorer and it's not great nick robertson's average minutes per game were like 10 and he had 15 goals last year does he suck defensively sure but who cares it's two million dollars who cares i uh it's crazy he had one fewer shot than marner i think in the playoffs i was i was looking up a bunch i was dicking around with some stats this summer he played six games and played like four seconds a night and like five milliseconds of power play time yeah i want to i don't want to talk about it anymore why why not i don't want to talk about it why not two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess

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way back to school the lfr notebook you can get yo i didn't know about that yeah it's kind of fun that's cool um what were you asking for it i want the the uh mug the sdpn mug the black one yeah our pride merch is unreal too yeah the pride merch is awesome show it this is a great ad i can just go to mugs and bottles actually yeah you stink where is it there can we get shirts that just do that what like a shirt with a mug just says sdpn across oh we have that that's clean we have two of them yeah really i have a show all the time okay adam pays attention so the answer is we can uh anyway check it out sdpn shop.ca a couple years ago i'm moving on from this because i can't because I simply cannot, and I simply won't.

A few summers ago, we had the Hot Brad Summer, right? Hot Brad Summer. Hot Brad Summer was the Calgary Flames having to move on from, they lost Gaudreau, they had to trade Kachuk, but they ended up with, at that point, Jonathan freaking Hubert, oh my God. A lot of people forget how that was perceived. 72 assists the previous year.

That's all I need to tell you. On one day, it was, this is one of the worst days any Flames management has ever had, to a couple days later or whatever it was. Holy shit. Yeah. And I would turn the ship around. As much as I know Flames fans are pissed with Brad

and I get it, you got Huberto and Uyghur out of a no-win situation. You gotta, you have to look at it the way it was looked at that day. Yes. You have to. And also that freaking coach that they had. But whatever.

The new hot Brad summer happened this year. Brad Marchand. Oh. What do you think Brad Marchand got up to this summer, gentlemen? he had fish and chips in halifax where he's from where he's from jesse oh that's a that's a good one um i'm gonna say he was a fashion model in milan i like that sean avery vibes i like that uh wrong on both wrong on both okay brad marshand underwent three surgeries this summer i don't know

what? He had a torn tendon in his elbow. Oh, a torn tendon in his groin and a torn abdominal, which I can only assume is what do they call that surgery where you, you tear your abdomen and it's a hernia hernia. I would imagine that was a hernia. He played through the elbow injury all through 23,

24. Oh my goodness. While the other injuries happen in late 23, 24 regular season. So Brad Marchand against the Leafs in the playoffs had a torn tendon in his elbow, a torn tendon in his groin or torn something in his groin and it torn something in his abdominal area and uh that's from ty anderson uh from the sports hub in in boston uh holy god and he's not

a young man no he's 36 this year i think is he all right i think he's 37 oh shit yeah i know oh he's a very young man 36 yeah he's an 88 uh last season for context of what he did uh 29 goals 38 assists and then in the playoffs he had three goals, seven assists, 10 points in 11 games. I hate this man. There you go. I hate this man. It played 18 minutes a night. The statue, if he

played in Toronto, the statue would already be built. Oh yeah. This is the type of player that Toronto Maple Leafs love, the fans love, and they when we can't stand them. I hate this guy. Unbelievable. You gotta give your hats off to this guy. And by the way, how is it that Brad Marchand

was drafted in the third round it's because he's five nine 100 100 176 pounds also by the way lies less or more more you think he's heavier than that he's a meatball 176 at five nine no shot it makes sense no why would they want why would they want it lower i think you'd want it higher wouldn't you on your stats card no because they fudge the numbers he could be five eight they screw with the numbers yeah oftentimes the shorter guys will be like yeah add a couple inches it's like five they're actually five seven uh freaking brad brad anyway he seems like a good guy he does he does i'm still i still hate him off the ice off the ice on the ice i hate him on the ice seems like a good guy uh tory krug will undergo surgery on his left angle and miss the entire

24 25 season uh kind of makes the broberg thing make a little more sense for the uh st louis blues yeah it's one of those it's not shocking i feel like we might have talked about this because it was rumored a while back yep um hockey players as evidenced with the brad marchand conversation we just had play through heinous shit that could go under surgery all the time um sometimes players put it off sometimes they're asked to put it off sometimes they want to put it off um in pursuit of a championship and this is a situation that i think is just mutually beneficial um last summer the blues tried to trade this player in a big deal with the philadelphia flyers uh krug had trade protection and he opted to use it good for him you know he didn't want to go i don't want to

go so he doesn't go uh this year the blues have other plans for the lineup other plans for their cap situation and his ankle hurts it's it's so i need surgery i did a deep dive on it and because they said pre-arthritic changes and i thought what does that mean so he has pre according to the internet and again it's not but pre-osteoarthritis what it can do the tough source it's a tough source but it is actually like this is the national institute of health so i am getting it from a good source on google uh but what essentially the mlh website is that sorry uh from the major yeah you're right uh structural changes in your cartilage so essentially if when you get treatment for for something like this it's because the cartilage that's in in this

case in his ankle or whatever is moving things around in there is degrading at a rate that he's not going to be able to play effectively because you can't manage the pain anymore so there are lots of treatment options for people that go through this um and obviously i'm sure if you're a professional athlete you know fun fact being a professional athlete is not good for your body um but this is something that he should be able to come back from after this season after this season which i think is great i think that's cool because tory krug is a great defenseman when he's healthy yeah he's sort of like i've never thought of the blues as one of those out of sight out of mind teams uh i don't think any of us have i think we just find them interesting

yeah but like from a tv standpoint like they're not unless they're playing a canadian team up here uh they're not marquee games or the stanley cup final that was relatively i think in the west they are a little bit more especially when they're good it's yeah i think it's different um but like tory krug was like such a i mean we had to think about him all the time because he was on the damn and he was a fucking monster against the league it was he was always i mean great on a curve yeah what's crazy about the bruins is their best players were really good against the leaves Yeah, Joachim Nordstrom. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So anyway, best to him. And I want to talk about this too. A couple of trades happened this year with players that have not really played all that much in the NHL. In one case, Rucker McGordy

was moved to the Pittsburgh Penguins after saying, I'm not going to stay in Winnipeg. And Yaroslav Askarov, who is a much bigger, I think, name prospect, Somebody we expected to come into their own probably this year. He's arguably the top goalie prospect in hockey.

22 years old, was 30 and 16 in the AHL last year with a 9-11 save percentage. And by the way, previous year, also had a 9-11 save percentage. The numbers are real. Best save percentage on his AHL team back-to-back years. But UC Soros signed an eight-year extension, which also included his number in the AAV number. Gotta get it in there. I know you love that. Gotta get it in.

And I was watching this summer and watching things come up from, like, certain outlets in Nashville. And I could not believe, after the trade request became public, guys, how fans in Nashville reacted. And perhaps I should have predicted it, but fans and media in Nashville were pissed with this guy. Before he even got traded. They were like, who the hell do you think you are? No, I get it. Yeah. I'm on Steve's side.

It makes sense. i get it too i'm just saying i i suppose i've never seen it in nashville nobody asked to leave i so that's a great point um alan's discussion um maybe we should link to an agent provocateur yeah it's a really good show when you guys were talking about it his point was fantastic like you only get one career yeah you know and i can sit here and wait around and see and like there was no situation where he was ever going to be the starter in nashville was there you know like that's i don't believe that at all because we we saw this play out with um spencer knight and sergey borowski like that's that's where i thought this thing was going where askrobs would he would

eventually sign and be fine because you have two star goaltenders which is a great problem to have and borowski lost his starting job a couple times in the last few years and then he regains it in the playoffs every year and then he excels and they win a stanley cup and all this stuff there was a an avenue here for both goalies to exist so i understand nashville's plan of we have a great goaltender we have his successor or just an expert backup why not keep both and try this but then i also understand his perspective where it's like i'm not gonna sit around and do that but spencer knight chose to stick around in florida because he thought he was going to be the successor and askrov could have gone down that avenue too so i can see both sides of this i just i think i need

to be in the net i need to be playing games that's how i'm gonna get the most money here um you know success ah you know nashville could suck by the time i'm the starting goalie and maybe i'm the only thing holding up you know the roof um i go to the sharks i play i play like 50 games a year at least sign for a bunch of money you're gonna see a lot of rubber team gets good oh he's gonna see so much rubber the team gets good around me no winter no winter i don't know how much winter there is in tennessee no but he they could have traded him to anywhere that had winter they didn't they chose they chose another summit winnipeg yeah yeah guess what you're behind connor hellebuck now yeah well i just i looked at it and i thought because because their their

backup is scott wedgwood who's a serviceable backup yes but he's fine i wonder what the askeroff thing because like if you're barry trotz and he said when when that trade request became public if you're barry trotz you could say yeah that's nice you're very first off you're very freaking trotz you've done a great job this year and i'm looking at the puckpedia for um uh for how much money how much dead money the uh the predators have on their cap it's 11.8 million in dead money and they added this year because of the duchesne johansson tourists and buyouts and then the at home retention which is only 250k yeah but the the point i'm trying to make is that there was a real opportunity this guy's going to play 30 games this year maybe 35

and i'm curious as to what he and his agent told barry trotz as in i will not show up to camp i will not dress i'll sign somewhere i'll go to europe like i'll do whatever i want to do what happened have you heard the rumors that lucas raymond's gonna play for ska saint petersburg or zurich lions yeah or do you hear the rumor that uh moritz sider is going to play for ska saint petersburg or that peyton krebs or nick robertson or any of the other phase we did no yaroslav askerov hey i'm gonna go play in the khl you believe him who's his agent and the well dan milstein i think oh i just assume yeah i literally just assumed that and i bet i'm right uh but like these like the russian players when they tell you oh i could just go back to russia

they're not kidding they'll go um any of these other guys say it like oh yeah mitch goes yeah i'm going to austria yeah sure you shut up no you're not how often does that happen outside of like a lockout never these russian guys are not kidding dan millstein you're correct yeah nailed it so like these guys are not kidding so that puts nashville in a bind with their plans for him and it also screws them in terms of leverage for trading well and that's what uh barry trott said i'm reading the article he said don't draft him uh he opened up and he said it did put them at a disadvantage they got a 2025 sorry uh sorry they got david edstrom 2025 first round pick and goalie magnus krona it's not good value i said that in the video when it happened

like there's there's a situation where the preds could use all those assets to do something at the deadline and they can have success maybe even win the cup who knows um but if you ask me which package i would like more askerov and i think there was something else or and nolan burke's got and a third yeah no i took the ask okay so then my question would be could this have been avoided in nashville yes understanding that the expectations going into last year were not high had they just because i think anybody with eyeballs would say as good as kevin lincoln and was askerov's better yeah could this have been avoided by just bringing him on a season earlier he'd already put up great numbers in the ahl you can even platoon them but he didn't play much so

i the preds had a plan for him and he didn't want to stick to it if you're the preds you have every reason to believe you know what i'm pretty good at this developing goalies thing they are amazing they're amazing uh pecorine mitch corn yep uh pecorine uc soros and i know that's a list of two names look how many games that list of two names has played for us um as draft picks i'm pretty sure both of them are late draft picks too uh one guy's a giant the other guy is one of the shortest starting goalies in the nhl yeah and they're both unreal we know what we're doing we have a plan and we're sticking to it a lot of people forget like go watch yaroslav askerov's highlights from the khl this is when he or not khl sorry um yaroslav askerov's highlights from

the world juniors and this is when he was already a top 15 pick in the nhl he looks foolish like he he danced he danced like a penguin in the net like shifting his feet like he no other goalie in the nhl looks like that and he catches right oh that's weird like so there was that yeah no like there was a his numbers were fantastic but there were some interesting things with this player like uh with with uh goalie coaches i think what hand you catch with is a big consideration um how many active goalies in the nhl like regular goalies who played more than like 25 games or more last year catch right half a dozen it's not a big list and this guy's supposed to be one of the marquee goalies in the league and i think they helped get some of the emperor

penguin stuff out of his game but like most goalies are not ready by this age at all so if you're the preds you're like no you are a rock that we're going to polish into a diamond and you're going to do it at our pace and he doesn't want to do that don't you guys like talk about stuff at these draft meetings i wonder about that because i'm also looking at this because this is the second thing okay so they don't bring up asker off part of the deal i think is that so so nashville has three million dollars essentially in cap space sure the san jose shark signed asker off to two million did the predators go we don't want to sign him at two million bucks he hasn't made it at the nhl level uh yet and um we've signed

wedgewood 1.5 million and uh we don't want to we want to accrue as much cap space as possible for the deadline right because it goes up we stay three million under we're gonna have a crazy number by the deadline um is do you think contract plays into this because i feel like the the preds were on a managerial hot streak and the team looked really good at even against vancouver in the playoffs then they go out and they get stammer uh no this trade sucks this this sucks right this just sucks it's it's it doesn't suck because of nashville it sucks because the player didn't want to be there what yes what did you want them to do well my point is it's like Why did this have been avoided?

Why did Calgary trade Matthew Kachuk? Well, because he told you to. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't fault Nashville at all. They had a solid plan, and it's the individual who didn't want to go with it. And, like, I know you mentioned, like, the draft. And I was like, did you talk to him about the draft? That's 2020.

Like, I don't think that's relevant. Maybe you didn't because it's 2020. Right. And it's like you can't predict what's going to happen at the draft table from 2020 and what's going to happen in 2024 where UCSR is still amazing and all that stuff. you just draft the best player and all that so i feel like they had a solid plan that i would have been like yeah that sounds great you know you develop askarov and maybe he replaces soros at some point down the line when soros isn't worth his value and all that but it was just the

individual who didn't want to go about it and that's his choice you know yeah i just feel like man you use the top 15 pick on a goalie which like never happens anymore it's very rare and you did it on this one and this was always a possibility and you know maybe you didn't handle the situation delicately enough it's like yeah but that's that's the risk you take right yeah and how'd that go but it went really poorly and it could have also worked out and i feel like that's that's the risk you take and i don't fault them for taking the risk at the time because clearly they did draft a good goalie it was just the personality got in the way of a solid hockey plan yeah this is what i'm saying though like well you gotta have these conversations but you can't you

can't predict what an 18 year old personality is gonna be when he's 22 and you have a solid starting goal that you're asking them it's fair impossible to to fix a trade four years ahead of time from when they made the trade yeah i guess i guess like okay think of it this way like i'm trying to maximize i only have one career right yeah i'm trying to maximize the amount of money i'm ever gonna make do i want to be a starter at 22 which like he's he's gonna be a tandem goalie with mackenzie blackwood basically they also have vitek vanishek do they not yeah i believe both those goalies are making more than askeroff oh i think they will and that's a shame vanishek i think he's making the most yeah and he's probably three and a half or four yeah

i could look but it's not great so so i'm gonna go there i'm gonna play a bunch of games watch him get sent down oh no no it's not gonna happen um you know i'm gonna i'm gonna go there i'm gonna play a bunch of games um and after this contract that i just signed is up i'm gonna make a fortune or i could sign that same contract with nashville and i'm gonna have way fewer games played under my belt because i'm playing behind uc sorrows and and and also you're gonna get all these matchups well no matter how good i play like okay let's say he is he plays as well as sorrows they play the exact same amount of games same goals against record save percentage they're not trading sorrows no that amount of money no no it's easier to trade you

that all roads lead out of nashville if i'm looking at it through his lens right and they can tell me oh yeah like we have this plan to make you better make you better yeah okay i know i'm gonna be good that's why you picked me so high and we've done four years of development yeah we've done four years of development i'm as good if not better than even i thought i would be what about the money you know oh we were doing this we were doing that yeah oh your job your job we had this development play yeah good for you for showing up setting your alarm and going to work in the morning that's your gig isn't it you picked me so high you gotta be an asshole about it well yeah it's business yeah it's business you so sorry wait i was supposed to sit

here play less and take less because you picked me an elite athlete hi just the last thing i want to say hit me jesse i'll take you back to june 2019 june 2019 we went lose walk to the podium at the draft and they selected with the 13th pick overall spencer knight that's right on july 1st mere days later they signed sergey bobrovsky to a double digit contract forever making him a 10 million dollar goaltender who's going to make seven or ten million dollars per year for seven seasons did spencer knight immediately turn around and say what the fuck are you guys doing i want to play here and be the starting goal a lot of people did a lot of people did but he didn't he wrote it out eventually signing uh after his elc a 4.5 million dollar contract which is

quite expensive for a backup but not like unreasonable and the fact that the team couldn't like oh maybe they can't win a stanley cup with that goaltending tandem yes they can they did and it's i think in that example you see something very similar play out a top 15 goaltender being drafted when there is a long-term starter under contract proven ahead of him and you had one guy's personality say i'm okay with that i'm gonna make my money and be the backup maybe eventually the starter if he falters i'm gonna stick around and the other one it was a personality where he said, no, I'm going to take my career into my own hands. At the end of the ELC, Spencer Knight could have said, no,

there's no shot I'm going to be a starting goaltender. Trade me to San Jose. Askarov chose to do that. Spencer Knight didn't. I think it was a smart tactic by the Nashville Predators to try and have this play out in a similar way that happened with Florida. And I don't think anybody is at fault or deserves criticism for having a smart plan and it not working out

because of a personality in Askarov. two key differences number one it's been a way bumpier road for spencer knight having to go down to the minors and player assistants and all that number two bobrovsky signed i believe it was a seven-year deal yes so spencer knight at the same age the guy ahead of him had three years left askerov has a guy ahead of him with eight years left on his deal like so to me it's a it's a way different outlook like by the end of the contract that askerov just signed he would be the heir apparent there would be like bob is gone or soros is gone or however you want to look at it whereas i think i'm about to graduate to the nhl full-time and then you give an eight-year

commitment to soros i think when you're looking at a goalie who's 20 and you're telling him you're not going to be a starter until you're 25 in Spencer Knight and because Bobrovsky still got two more years left in Spencer Knight's 23 it's not too dissimilar than uh you're looking at Askarov and say hey we got a great starting goaltender you're going to stick around here and play Tanda I will tell you this I was not that patient at that age I can relate hell no I can relate to Askarov about that uh and not being uh not being talented it's crazy no this is not no patience it's not a microphone yeah this is the if i were you button yeah like i were you i would not have had the patience either that said nothing's at stake for me that said i

think there i want to know where the deep dive is i'm waiting for like the athletic to go here's where the relationship snapped here's where it was i want to know was it last summer was it this year with wedgewood was it like when did this happen and why august you know it's an odd time it's weird that the trade thing not that the trade happened in august but that the trade request became public in august no no disrespect to scott wedgewood but like that should show you how the predators value the backup position like i think he's a i think he's a decent backup but like there's at least a dozen scott wedgewoods out there nearly every summer yep that you can sign and that's how they value the backup position.

They're like, okay, we have Saros and we're paying him, you're going to play a ton of games money and do it really well and he's going to play a ton of games and do really well. The backup is not going to play. Right.

Scott Wedgwood, you're going to play like 30 games max unless Saros gets hurt, in which case we probably don't make the playoffs. dude is if scott wedgewood plays like 50 games for them you think they're making it it's gonna be tough they might sorrows oh yeah no problem there you go yeah we signed this guy that guy we were good last year we got sorrows there you go now ticket yeah no i agree i agree now there's plenty more to talk about but uh obviously we've run out of time oh yeah uh and we will come back

tomorrow so the schedule is three a week uh because of labor day yesterday we're tuesday wednesday friday uh but just in case you don't remember when our episodes drop they drop mondays wednesdays and fridays cj show coming back thursday just the one show this week but they are full-time back i believe next week are they not are they not doing two a week next week we'll have to check in with that it doesn't matter they're coming they're back they're gonna be putting out content cj's got a lot to go a lot to do and i still have half of my notes from what i prepared for this show so we'll be putting those into tomorrow's show there you go along with steven lorenz yeah you better go home and do a video really though pto video right jess no

not what are you gonna say he's also named steve how much how long was your simone benoit video too long how did that is a different no he had a contract how is that different because he had a contract steven lorenz signed a pto he is it's not a contract it's a it's a try it try it no well then eric stall is under contract with the hurricane okay he's fighting one year or sorry one day yeah did stephen lorenz play that much with the panthers he i liked him in the playoffs he didn't play every game though yeah i want to see how many games i will pull that out they had like this oh 16 yeah man yeah they had a rotation of fourth liners yeah he was pretty good and he's a center 16 not bad we like center i don't know anything else i don't know if they used him at

seventh round pick in 2015 hundred seventh rounder good for him yeah yeah yeah brad for living's the gm 6-4-2-16 awooga brad's plan to not make a mistake this season you know what i don't understand why he doesn't try that i think he is this is the start the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer

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