The Steve Dangle Podcast - Flares | June 1, 2022

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Happy Pride Month (00:00), the Oilers lose to the Avalanche and we have another controversial review call (16:00), the Hurricanes lose game 7 to the Rangers (41:00), the Rangers will play the Lightning in the East Final (53:00), Jordan Binnington explains the water bottle throw (1:04:30), Sandin's contract could become a story (1:17:00), an ex NHL GM is trying to buy a football club (1:27:00), Jesse was fired as GM of the Leafs and gets a delivery (1:42:00). Originally aired: June 1, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/FedFpvJnGew Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Individuals must be 19 years of age or older to open a Sports Interaction account. Terms and Conditions apply. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc.... Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Sports Interaction is subject to successful AGCO registration and execution of an Operating Agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Eligible iGames conducted and managed by iGO are only available to those physically present in the Province of Ontario. Visit this episode's sponsors: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. It’s time to get wet and clean with your new MANSCAPED™ Shower Routine." https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn https://betterhelp.com/SDP https://trybasis.com/sdp https://zbiotics.com/pages/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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think this is steve dangle podcast powered by sports interaction canada's sports book well happy pride month everybody absolutely happy pride month and uh to mark pride month um you know we're gonna be doing some special stuff with adam's history corner um throughout the month and stuff like that and obviously we're gonna do we're doing some stuff on our socials we also have uh what jesse can we talk about the can we talk about the the tournament thing that we're involved in or no oh so they haven't put out their announcement yet so let them do the okay we'll let them do the first one and then we'll follow them up we're very excited about a thing that that the stpn is involved with which we hope you can get involved with too which

is super cool it ties into something we were talking about like a week and a half ago exactly what and and for the adams history corner we talked about it and it was really important to us to only do the sad and bad things that's right yes that's right and we said you know what let's let's talk about the failures no no actually so here's i'm going to start the show today and and normally i'll save it for adam's history corner and stuff but because it's the first day of pride month i think it's important that we talk about um talk about this and and how much things have changed in the last 50 years i think when when uh in toronto uh like i think it was 2016 black lives matter actually sat down in the middle of the parade and stopped the parade

because they wanted to make sure that the Pride Parade organizers in Toronto were recognizing not just the party and fun aspect of Pride in Toronto, but also the fact that, you know, especially transgender women have been, especially black transgender women have been marginalized. There's a bunch of demands that they kind of put forward and it started a sequence of events and a huge caused a huge controversy and i think it reminded people that pride is a protest yes and and that's the thing right you know we grew up in toronto you see pride as it's a party man yeah let's go to the parade right pride and caravana bud lights got rainbows on their cans let's go you know what i'm saying but really pride is a protest first and foremost and you know i was

looking up sort of where some of these things began and and the one of the first rallies that really took place and this is a really important one is the we demand rally which happened august 28 1971 in ottawa this is outside parliament and it was uh by the toronto gay action um the tga the community homophile association of toronto which was called chat and a there was a parallel rally in vancouver uh the gay alliance towards equality so obviously these groups have evolved over time um but it's it this really started at least in this particular case as a gay rights activist situation and obviously um i thought it was really interesting because i had a look at their demands they had a 13 page document containing a list of the demands for canadian parliament and um when i

read off some of the demands you're not going to be surprised by them when i read off other ones you're going to go wow that was when our parents were our age or a little bit younger it wasn't that long ago my dad i think he turned into a teenager that year that's right so there we go um the first was removing the word buggery and quote gross indecency as grounds for indictment as a dangerous sex offender meaning that if you engaged in homosexual acts they could indict you as a dangerous sex offender number two amendments to the divorce act to allow child custody to be decided based on parental merit rather than sexuality if you were gay and you got divorced you lost custody of your child wow geez number three removing homosexuality from the same

category as physical or mental abuse bestiality and rape for grounds of divorce this is the 70s this is 60 71 yes anyone um amending the immigration act to allow homosexuals to immigrate and enter canada not previously allowed uh number five instituting an equal age of consent for both homosexual and heterosexual acts which did not previously exist they only had one for heterosexual acts which meant that um it it gave a ton of gray area to all the terrible possibilities that can happen if you don't put that into place you know what i'm saying um it's uh sorry for the rcmp to disclose whether or not they've been spying on queer people working in the government and to discontinue the practice immediately number seven equal employment and advancement

in all levels of government number eight allow gays lesbians and bisexuals to serve in the military because they would have kicked you out before and i mean in the american militaries don't ask don't tell until like 10 years ago uh number nine equal rights to be extended to lesbians bisexuals and gays and remember these are all those those terms are probably the terms you're most familiar with uh and there's a lot more terminology out there now but you have to remember that 50 years ago it was a pretty rudimentary understanding of sexuality and gender and all the other things that that we've seen especially come to light lately and so when i when i use those terms i want you to understand that i'm using them in the context of the time yes that's

how we that's how people identify themselves at the time um and then number 10 removing the quote uh removal of quote gross indecency and quote lewd acts from the criminal code and replacing the terms uh equally applied to heterosexuals and homosexuals so if you were a heterosexual gross indecency and quote lewd acts were not something you were capable of doing you had to be a homosexual for those things to happen so when you got arrested for quote lewd acts everybody knew what it meant rather than you know like if if let's say okay let's say you're having and who hasn't done this right you're you're uh you're young you're living with your parents and you and your partner are feeling a little horny that night and you go out to the park and you get a

little freaky in your car right sure okay if you're gay they're gonna call that a lewd act or they're gonna call that gross indecency or they're gonna call it both if you're straight they're just gonna call it sex in a public place yeah get out of here yeah they're gonna knock on your window and send you home right so one of the uh i thought one of the most interesting things about this and obviously um there's there was a commemorative march done about 11 years ago but as a direct result of this rally the immigration act was amended uh it removed the ban on gay men from traveling and immigrating to canada so if you were gay you could not travel here you could not come all of the original 10 demands of the rally have since been met by laws they addressed and all the

laws have been amended uh but obviously it wasn't right away and i just think you know it's important to understand when people go like you know you see the idiots are like oh this is a straight pride month why do we need a gay pride month this happened so it's like a blink of an eye it's they ask that every year it's like they have no interest in the answer funny isn't it if you ask something once a year every year for many years you have no interest in the answer exactly you're just kind of dumb exactly so um anyway the the reality of it is and you know obviously there's been so many other protests that have done so many other things i think as canadians we don't understand and we don't know our own history at all our history is taught terribly in this country

we don't know anything about it stuff like that is really important until i'd researched it i'd never heard of it and um i'm gonna go through and profile um different names in hockey outside of hockey we're gonna have some a few guests on as well i've got some people lined up which i'm excited about um and we're gonna talk about some people that changed the world that you might not have ever heard of you know what i mean like obviously there's prominent people who are 2s lgbtq plus who you know about who've changed the world i'm gonna try to find some of the historical figures that you don't and uh we went over some names over we had a meeting yesterday had some names and i was able to stump everybody on the call and people did some pretty big things that

you've definitely heard of so i'm very excited about this you know obviously as i'm going through this too there's going to be things that i probably get wrong throughout this month and that's what the month's for it's for learning so if i do get it wrong feel free to reach out and be like hey that was wrong and i'm sure i will hear from stpn staff who know this stuff intimately um if i do get things wrong but i'm doing my absolute best to put forward something i think that you're gonna you're going to love it's going to these are going to be great stories they're going to be fun they're going to be enrapturing but also um ones that i think they're important to know and that's why we do pride that's why we we want to be uh uh great allies on this show and on this company

frankly um and so everybody on the company in the companies behind it uh happy pride to you uh if you're celebrating uh whether that's you know you directly or you as an ally uh we're very very excited it's a fun month and damn it we're getting a we're getting a party here for the first times it's 2019 oh yeah in toronto pride pride toronto is amazing it's an amazing experience can we talk a little about uh the monetary aspects that's gonna come with our pride month oh okay why don't you take that we're gonna have uh two main things right now that we're gonna announce that are gonna be lead directly to donations for the 519 uh the 519 is is how most people refer to in toronto uh correct me if i'm wrong um we're gonna be sending our donations there first place where

you can uh donate every single sale all proceeds from the sdpn shop this month will go towards the 519 so anything you buy anything you buy doesn't have to be our new pride collection which i'm gonna get but so so yeah anything you buy off the shop all the proceeds there all of our profits are going to go right to the uh 519 and so in our shop sdpn shop.ca we've added a whole bunch of stuff there's some uh that's radic merch for the cj show because it's highly requested it needs to be there and also uh for pride we've updated the entire pride collection there will now be um different uh variations of the crab people flag so we have the no way crab logos and we're gonna have the uh the lesbian flag we're gonna have the non-binary flag we're gonna have the the

asexual flag just oh we're gonna your whole host of them different colors uh find that there and then we're also gonna have a sticker collection we're adding uh like tanks and hoodies and shorts just for the summer so yeah go find look at there's a whole bunch of new merch too there's some shorts we got some shorts now there's some new dangle navy merch go look at that i've updated the entire collection uh stpn.ca and if you buy anything it's going right to our donation and second place we're generating a little income for the community our twitch so any uh any sub you make on the twitch channel this month that is twitch.tv slash sdpn live uh any proceeds we uh make there will go directly to the 519 again so yeah sub to

our channel and uh adam because uh you have not ever done a twitch stream you said that this will be the month jumping on because it's for charity it'll finally get your butt off your chair and into the streaming chair in the driving streaming chair what are we doing are we doing are we driving or are we doing i don't know you can do a solo one if you want to play assassin's creed if you want to do f1 so i've been talking about doing assassin's creed because of the historical stuff so i think that might be fun but um i just want to let you know what the 519 is by the way you know it's important to have community centers in and around and and your city obviously will have one as well if you're not toronto but the 519 is committed to that what they say the health

happiness and full participation of the lgbtq2s communities uh a city uh sorry it's basically a city of toronto agency and essentially whether you need resources on this or you're somebody that needs help or you're somebody that's learning whatever it is they have it for you and it's an incredible organization um and obviously you know throughout the pandemic uh donations that sort of thing have dropped off for everything so we really want to help them out and our um our streams by the way um the money going from them will not just be in june um we're talking about and and i guess we could talk a little bit about montreal should we talk about montreal a little bit sure so here's the here's the ideal plan and and and we're talking about this as it's being planned because it's not

fully planned yet right but essentially um the we want to have a party on the first round evening but steve's got to work with sportsnet i'd have never heard of them but apparently they're a big deal and uh and so virgin and company yeah yeah they must be on their way up so what we're gonna do is jesse and i are already gonna be in montreal so we're gonna do a um sidecast a sidecast of the first round from our hotel room yeah and we're gonna all obviously all the funds are gonna go to that so we're gonna go through the first round so i'm gonna do some research jesse gonna do some research we're gonna we're gonna do our own draft breakdown damn it yeah and we'll see who else is there i mean like julian's gonna be in town cj's gonna be in town alan's gonna be in town

um we're gonna bring all the sdpn out so we haven't got the travel plans fully finalized but we're excited because everybody we want everybody to be there um and then on the friday night we haven't picked a venue yet uh we're on our way to doing so we're trying we're trying it's just one one venue wants to charge like so much money like ten thousand ten thousand dollars for an evening i was like okay all right pump the brakes so we're trying to find a venue um and We'd like to have a full-on get-together. We want to bring everybody in, get all the shows up on stage for a little bit.

That's night two of the draft, right? Night two. And even Alan's like, well, I'm coming to that. So I think... He might be bringing the fourth overall pick. Yeah, maybe we'll see. We'll see where he goes.

Or first. Or first. Could be first. Never know. Could go off the board. A wild card. You never know. So I think with Montreal having the first overall pick

and that sort of thing, it's going to be an exciting time. We are going to throw a party just to say thank you for a great season. And honestly, we haven't done a live thing in a long, long time. I won't be this sick. No, you won't, nor will I.

And then, of course, part of the draft. Here, have this, Halls. The draft, obviously, stream. That will also go to the 519 as well. And we've got some other initiatives we're going to announce, but that's how we're kicking off Friday. The Thursday during the draft,

Adam Maldonado will be live streaming. Friday, we're going to be with all the people. We're all going to be out there. it's gonna be a good little three days in montreal funny enough i might be too actually i don't think i told you that you might be what streaming from montreal so you'll be streaming i might be yeah get out of here you're supposed to be at oh yeah where are you i know we don't have finalized plans oh my god i'll tell you let us know what it is yeah we'll figure out something i thought i told you and then when you said that i'm like i have not told you have not told us okay well

we'll figure it out i figured out what it is it's all good so uh let's get into it was it a goal guys edmonton and colorado was it offside was it offside i guess that's not the right yeah is that an offside or is that not an offside kale mccarr carrying the puck in valerie natush kid trying to get back to tag up and what they what happens is jay woodcroft obviously edmonton oilers coach challenges this and you don't blame him for challenging this because it looks offside very offside that's the problem to me that's the big problem here uh and to me that's an easier problem to solve than the offside rule because apparently that was fully within the rules right right because what they said and i say apparently not tongue-in-cheek like i learned something what

they said was that um that because mccarr never handled the puck after the blue line ridiculous it's that he did not quote have possession of the puck ridiculous therefore it's not offside technicality right yes and as if you're an oilers fan that probably drives you crazy because you know kale mccarr's possession numbers and you know he always possesses the puck i'd be curious so they do keep track of uh offensive zone time right and colorado had a distinct advantage in that category uh does that count does that count towards the total what i'm gonna get like towards the Avs offensive zone possession? The .5 seconds?

I mean, whatever. It all counts, man. Like, okay. It's .5 seconds and it seems little, but he had it or he didn't. That's... He has it. He has it. He's the only person who has

any shot of getting that puck. It's right there. It's his. And like, he passed it to himself guys it's he has possession of the puck the only thing i will listen to and give credit the nhl for is that they have set this precedent and that this exact play has happened several times didn't it happen a few years ago colorado avalanche didn't happen to the apps i think it was matt duchesne

yeah well no it wasn't duchesne was it duchesne no it was uh i guess we're talking about something different i know i think that they're having the arizona coyotes i know for sure and it also happened i have it up here with uh charlie mcavoy and the uh bruins versus canucks it was it's the exact same play where he comes in off sides uh they deem that the little check forward of the puck it technically counts as a dumping loose puck dumping it into the zone as a loose puck because your deke you lose you lose the puck and you punch it forward and that he was uh on side so they they had they have set this precedent where they have called this exact same play before right i don't agree with the interpretation of the rule at all that's that's the thing that i

think is the is the sticking point is that's ridiculous that a little push forward of the puck in the deke is counted under the rule book as a drop of possession i think if you do that you still have possession in the reality of the world that we live in i don't see how you look at that play and say kill mccart didn't have possession of the puck i think that's the reality that we should live in and not this stupid thing the nhl does where they slow it down to a fraction of a second and they take it back it's stupid every game both teams should have maximum one minute of puck possession then yeah because how often is the puck actually on anybody's stick when you're moving the puck with your stick it's not directly on your stick at the exact moment

but when you slow it down frame by frame it's not on the stick possession is it it's it's literally like it's like a dog off leash right it's sometimes it's walking with you sometimes it's not and and i that's how i look at puck possession is it's not it's not direct control at all times but if you're controlling the direction of the puck then which kale mccarr obviously was now jesse do you mind turning down my headphones just a little just furthest to the left there so so here's here's the issue i have i've got the delayed offside rule in front of it here so here's the here's the problem if during the course of a delayed offside any member of the attacking team touches the puck attempts to gain possession of a loose buck forces the defending

puck carrier to further back down in his own zone uh or is about to make physical contact defending the puck carry lines which will stop play now i'm assuming that that's if that's in you know after the blue line right yeah if during a delayed offside an attacking player in the attacking zone elects to proceed to his player's bench i can be replaced by a teammate blah blah blah i just if you if you're going to write it down in the rule like okay if if they're trying to attempt to gain possession which is what clearly kale mccarr is trying to do even though so even though it's not in that zone yet kale mccarr kicked it up to himself right to gain possession yes he didn't kick it up to dump it in he didn't kick it up to give it away he kicked it up to gain possession

attempt to gain possession is for me where this falls apart there was a great conversation it was like if 90 of the people watching have no idea what's going on you don't have a good rule that's interesting you don't have a good rule i was watching and i'm like well this is yeah it's cut and dry natushkin still in the zone mccarr enters there you go and then they announce goal and i'm just like i i have no idea what happened and whenever like frege has to get out the phone book size rule book and be like so here's the actual rule like guys are you interested at all even in passing of growing the sport like holy shit holy actual shit why is this so hard it's always so hard and oilers i think they they do get jobbed here

and it might not even necessarily be on the interpretation of the rule because the way you put it jesse at least they do have a relatively recent precedent that this is how the rule is called okay fine yeah the penalty for a failed challenge was put in place for coaches who were abusing the challenge system they were challenging every bloody goal for offside they were challenging every bloody goal for goalie interference they were challenging goals that had no shot of being overturned they were i'm using that word very intentionally because that's what they were doing they were abusing the system jay woodcroft has a great point like that is absolutely can we all agree as hockey fans that was absolutely worth looking at yes yes so why is he being punished

for it in that's stupid in the nfl when you fail a challenge you lose your challenge and you lose a timeout in uh the nba when you fail a challenge and you lose the challenge you lose your challenge and you lose a timeout in the nhl you should lose a challenge and lose your timeout why must they go to be that extreme yeah why did they i think because then if you lost you if you if you had a challengeable play early in the game you lost your timeout then you got another one you couldn't challenge it didn't edmonton get a timeout anyway what's that didn't edmonton have a timeout anyway in this game i don't know i can't no but that's that's how sure you should lose your timeout lose your challenge every other league has figured this out why did the nhl move

away from that it's like let's say let's say they got the rule right this is how it should go fine great i'll meet you there the oilers should not have had to kill a penalty so it's a two-goal swing there's no this ridiculous uh penalty on top of using a challenge the challenge is to correct the wrong thing the refs did like why can't i check it out that's not jay woodcroft abusing the system that is a totally legit challenge he shouldn't have been punished for it i loved i gotta say i loved his press conference afterwards he's saying you know sometimes like he was like he's like i didn't see him lift his stick like intentionally to do this like he was talking about the spirit of the rule and what i think is interesting i want to i want to

bring up a couple of tweets that i'm just actually just were tweeted in the last 20 minutes carlo koliakovo former player now morning show host in toronto ray ferrara obviously with tsn and i believe espn and states or tnc one of the two espn um both former players carlo koliakovo said i think rewriting or rewarding the nhl rulebook should be a priority this offseason so the game of hockey can stop being so complicated for some right there's been enough controversy in these playoffs to warrant it time to get that right now ray ferraro retweeted and quote tweeted and said 100 agree carlo i've said for a few years that rewarding penalties and plays so everyone can understand them should be a priority i suggested it and was told of its difficulty and then ray

goes who cares how hard it is it should be done and will help the game uh that's already better than it's ever been what a bunch of failures pay somebody to do it yeah like what's wrong with you what a bunch of abject failures like i'm not talking about carlo coliacavo and ray ferraro you're not doing something that'll make your sport better because it's hard you're a failure sarah civian failure sarah civian responded to that and she said i've asked a few people about this and they say it's about a five-year process to start rewriting the rule book okay let's start today yeah you'll be if it's a five-year process why don't you just hire a bunch more people just hire 30 people to do it yeah do it there's just rewrite individual rules like you don't

the whole rule book at once too many too many people have had their gig for way too long yeah that's ridiculous five years get out of my face we need to get to a point where if something is obvious to the naked eye everybody sees something you say oh look at this look at this play look at this video this is offside that's what needs to be the call not when we slow it down and you reinterpret the rules to this weird nonsense that you've come up with then you make a call based on that it needs to be so obvious and clear to all of the hockey fans i'm trying to figure out this why is it why is it that intent of a rule is so rarely looked at like they boil this shit down to like to the actual word so let me let me put this into

context for you a little bit you've been to uh you've seen a segment let's say you're watching tnt or espn or sportsnet or tsn whatever you're watching right and you've seen a really good segment let's let's call it the tnt panel for basketball charles barkley has a really good point but you can bet that charles barkley is going to fuck up the grammar at some point throughout that segment right he's known for that he's hilarious and he mispronounces words all the time but he still has a really good point and you get the intent of what charles barkley's trying to say right do we then afterwards as producers do we then go in and say charles listen i think you would have had a good point there but you mispronounced terrible and uh you said this

wrong and this wrong so therefore everybody lost the point and what i'm saying is with the play in the nhl when you watch the play at the speed it's supposed to be watched at yeah not breaking it down word by word in that case or frame by frame in this case you could clearly see what's going on i don't understand why we need to break it like listen break it down frame by frame if you want to know if the entire puck crossed the line i'm talking about entire puck crossing the goal line by the way not the blue line okay but offside the offside thing the other thing about offsides too and and we haven't talked about this in a bit but you know you could play play could go on for 45 more seconds and then a coach could challenge after a goal and have it called back like there

has to be some sort of thing where you get it or you didn't you there adam i'll take it a step further there has to be incentive to cheer when your team scores yeah cheer when your team scores okay that's that's what was brutal is like so i wasn't streaming those games i a couple years ago when the offside reviews were rampant and the goal interference i stopped cheering after goals like in my house i just i stopped cheering after goals because i i don't know i might be getting called back yeah we saw in game seven by the way was that the first west macaulay game seven this playoffs where he didn't call back a goal that should have been a goal oh because he had the toronto one he's had like three and then he had another one uh but yeah the the rangers carolina

one was i think the only one where he didn't call back a goal that was clearly a goal that's kind of funny he didn't do coleman did he do coleman i don't think he did another one i think it was macaulay and furlough yeah he was the one who made the call yeah yeah that that tandem is just if that's the best they got oh my god it is that's what they whenever you get game seven over and over again that's the whole angel hernandez thing i want to be able to do the world series they in a court document they're like you can't because you're bad but he's protected by his union so he still has a job but there is a court document saying angel hernandez is bad as a job wow he's just not good enough to do the world series he's also terrible

he's always on scouting the umps um i so so beyond all that beyond the fact so we're all in agreement that probably should have been called back it's a dumb interpretation of a rule book like that said be a shame uh euler score first um also just on the play darno nurse is biggest bailout ever in the history of time what a bad play there was 14 seconds 14 seconds left in the period, and he sends the puck kind of blindly off the boards right onto Cael McCarr's stick. You just tied it. You just, like, yeah,

momentum murderer. Dude, you right now should be getting ripped to shreds if this play is clearly onside. That was awful game, awful play. Oilers fans are, yeah, he's had... Are Oilers fans even talking about that this morning, though? Uh, well, I mean... I think they're talking about

McCarr, maybe, but, like, no. Nurse had a bad game. Uh, no, people aren't too happy about his performance in these playoffs. and he's been getting some tough assignments and doing a little bit of sinking and swimming. But yeah, that's a very good point, Jesse, because in the moment I was like, oh, what a dumb play. But then the review sort of wrecked it all.

I do remember, however, in real time being like, I'm fairly certain that's offside. I didn't say it out loud because things were happening so fast, but I'm like, there's no way Nachushkin cleared the zone. and turns out he didn't but it also turns out he didn't have to so i don't know it's a very silly sport and i don't get it and uh the problem is no one gets it right so darn on there should be ashamed of and yeah that was that was a bad play i mean holy shit i mean the oilers are so fun well this is what i wanted to talk about both starting goalies pulled

mike smith after six goals on 25 shots darcy kemper after an upper body injury he'd already allowed three goals and my question to you guys is which goalie are you most worried about and let me give you this before you answer that question here's mike smith's career game ones with the oilers dude this is unbelievable he is five career games he's oh and three six seven seven ga 823 save percentage and he's been pulled three times and you know the funny part about it is that uh he's come he he carried them through the gallery series too well it's crazy the only reason the only reason his record is only oh and three oh because there were so many goals in game one of the battle of alberta that he was no longer the goalie of record

that's insane and that's how i have three goals obviously that happened at another point as well right because he's played five game ones dude and he's been pulled three times and he's got an 0-3 record i thought both goalies in relief like in a really tough position in relief played really well yes and i think honestly i think both teams should be totally comfortable if they decide to uh playing those goalies um the avs shouldn't be worried if kemper's not ready to go for game two franzosa's a perfectly capable backup he had a great season um and he he made some really key saves down the stretch miko koskinen kind of held the oilers in that game both uh frankie and koskinen allowed one bad goal each i well i don't even know about bad goal like the the koskinen one

was an odd man rush and you got to pick one he chose the wrong guy whatever um can't remember exactly oh jesus the one franco's allowed was that ridiculous uh dry sidle to mcdavid yes he might have allowed to i might be getting it wrong because you might have allowed the the nuge one uh both goalies were great crazy yeah yeah well and i so this is what i wanted to ask you guys um what goalie which goalie would you be more worried about if you're not worried if you're less worried which team is more worried about their goaltending today is it mike smith getting pulled is it tarcy kemper getting injured i mean probably kemper getting injured because uh with mike smith you're a couple bad goals away from having a decision to make with kemper uh if he

is injured you're a tweak here or a tweak there away from i don't know who's their third goalie your third goalie jonas johansson like kemper to franzos there's not much of a drop off to the next guy yes there is it's the michael hutchinson situation yeah michael hutchinson who won two of three elimination games for them. We forget that Frantzos was the starting goalie, and then Sakic was like, alright, I need somebody else in here. So, like, you shouldn't

be too worried about Frantzos. It's just, yeah, if there's anything else, if anybody else needs to come in, then it's you're in trouble. For as long as he's on the ice, they're fine. The second he leaves it, you might have a problem. And like you said, they played well. See, you should have some confidence in both goalies there, if you need to go to

them. Yep, big saves. Big saves. Big saves, big moments. I think the most impressive thing about the Oilers is that team can be five goals down and always know that they come back. And I think the thing is, is that they never believe that they're out of it. And the scary part is they're not. Because they're not. They know they can do this.

And I just felt last night, I know they lost, but I just felt last night, doesn't this look like a team that's going to make the Stanley Cup finals? The Oilers? When they're coming back like that. And listen, I know they had not the best game defensively. i know mike smith had a mike smith game one but he also had a mike smith game one against la and he had a mike smith game one against calgary yeah and i'm not a mike smith believer like i'm not i'm like i still think it was a huge mistake to sign him to a two-year contract rather than

going out and getting a guy but listen look what he's done look what he's done in these playoffs man that guy i mean he even shot a puck to another team and they let and let in a goal and it's still you know what i mean yep he's just one of those people you're like fuck i don't i can't believe it i refuse to believe it but the results i think are going to be there and with the oilers scoring the way they do man like i just i think they're let me let me throw this out there uh most multi point games within a third within 13 postseason contests i fucked that up so let me read it again most multi-point games within a 13 postseason contests i think there might be a spelling error that's why i fucked it up uh number tied for second wayne gretzky 1985 with 10 multi-point

games within 13 he's tied with wayne gretzky 1983 10 multi-point games within 13 and in first place connor mcdavid 2022 with 11 wow now here's the terrifying thing dry sidle is performing or producing just as well if andrew kane leads the playoffs in goals hyman i believe has seven goals in his last six games or seven in his last seven ryan nugent hopkins is starting to catch fire they got a fourth line goal last night what did i say when jay woodcroft was hired depth depth it's it's really helped the oilers out and part of the reason they're never out of it is you can't just worry about mcdavid dry sidle cane and woodcroft hasn't been afraid to get the blender out too sometimes it's mcdavid dry sidle cane mcdavid dry sidle hyman i wouldn't be surprised

to see nuge get a look dude it's a really it's a deep team it's a deep team they're getting production from their depth not a crazy amount but enough that they're never out of a game amazing that one coach can make a team that looked like it had no depth turn it turned it into depth in 20 games in the regular season we've seen coaches do it for a stretch you know i'm interested to see how next full season goes and you know does the shine wear off a little bit but so others teams yeah whenever he runs out the kane mcdavid drives out of line they seem to get any type of score chance they want and usually score a goal and if edmonton gets any type of defense in this series from what we've seen in game one they have a real shot at winning four games and like i don't hate

the idea of them being the stanley cup final and just to add to your stats that you uh were reading there steve leon dry sidle set a new record last night oh my god he has now the most consecutive multi-assist games in stanley cup history it is dry side oh with six in a row six multi-assist games next up doug gilmore wayne gretzky rick middleton and tony curry he passed those who were all tied at five and dry settle sits alone at in first at six he looked a little better team he like he looked a little bit more mobile yeah i was gonna say he didn't he didn't look um as sluggish like he's injured something's her his right ankle sprain i believe is that all it is yeah geez but it does affect people right yeah of course those high ankle sprains are crazy it's

like i know what affects people i know it's dumb to say but like you're you don't realize how much until like a really good player gets one and they slow right down. Oh, that shot block from Andrzej Borikoski last night. I reacted out loud on the stream. Like I stopped calling the game to go, oh, because it hits him right on the inside of the knee. I can't believe he returned to that game.

Yeah, and with the Blues press conference, I assume we'll get to that, but like we got some of the injuries that they were dealing with too. And like we say, oh, it's a dry side of his foot, but like what else is he have going on? You know, what does McDavid have injured? what all the abs have injured after that tough series you know yeah he has no ribs

like oh yeah our star player has no ribs their organs are just floating around like a bag of milk he actually took out his thighs and he's playing with no thighs it happened with uh 20 games left in the regular season and he's opted to wait to play through it like hockey players are ridiculous man they are they are i think was no skull in looking at the st louis one i think It was just Shen alone Multiple rib injuries Yeah That was the one

They got me I'm like What is multiple Rib injuries Like is it both sides Is it up and down Like what does that look like You only have X amount of them

I know That's weird right One rib broken twice Right This is Oh my god And we got the Freddy news That he was dealing

With a torn MCL Which he suffered In early April And he was trying To come back like now I'm like that's a quick Turn around for a tear You know

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Let your morning change you. Discover Coffee Plus on Nespresso.com. What did you guys think of Game 7, Carolina, New York? It actually turned out to be a fun game. A fun-ish game. But listen, I'm thrilled the series is over. You guys know. That series has been happening since the dawn of time.

Once Ranta went out, the game was over. I told you I would be surprised if there was a blowout. And this is not what I meant. This is not what I meant. Do we know what Ranta has now? An injury. No, I don't know. Right.

Which is something he's been struggling with. I think, obviously, people are criticizing the Rangers because, you know, both series, they had the starting goaltender go down. Jari and whatever. Have we learned nothing? We didn't give the Montreal Canadiens any credit last year. Oh, Tavares is injured. They didn't play a number one center. And then Scheifele's suspended.

They didn't play a number one center. Chandler Stevenson is out. And then he comes back and the Vegas Golden Knights get worse. They don't know how to play Fleury and Leonard. Yeah. Oh, and then, yeah, they essentially chased Fleury out of Vegas. you know um so here we are once again doing the same shit it's a team in the final four in a 32 team league you can't give them credit come on guys well and the thing is too it's like

okay um yeah they they they played louis deming but that was after i think game three or game four and yeah they played the backup to andy ranzan and you know obviously freddie anderson was injured because freddie anderson was injured two months ago and andy ranza they didn't get him out of the net like he wasn't injured until like midway through game seven right i don't know they were winning and everyone seemed to agree he was having a great series so what the hell i know it's weird carolina's a good team like they didn't they did not beat a good team so so then this is what i wanted to ask how good do you think it felt for uh uh for the rangers and i i hate to make this player i try not to make them a topic at all oh come but yeah but you can't but you gotta talk

about the tony d'angelo thing 100 the fact that they first off that they broke carolina's win streak at home you know they did it in their building and they did it against tony d'angelo that has to feel good for a lot of the players on the rangers and management it should say something to the carolina hurricanes and their i'm gonna say over recent history they've been likable right very likable yeah so much fun it should say something to how likable the team is that people weren't necessarily making fun of the hurricanes for losing to the rangers they were like haha tony d'angelo's out like he's i don't think he's a match for the national hockey league but he's definitely not a match for the carolina hurricanes like right listen i understood he put

up a lot of points i don't think people were ever doubting he was going to put up a lot of points i don't think skill was ever the issue no it super wasn't you don't get suspended for putting up too many points you know what i mean and you don't get punched by your goalie for putting up too many points right you get it for being an asshole right and every game where he and the team went into new york they lost wow good but they lost every game in every game on the road well yeah they lost every game in new york but i think it's important that again you know he probably lost him he wanted to go to msg and make a and make a statement you know that and it just didn't happen whoops yeah it's i don't know i'll be happy for the day we don't have to i think about him as a

player anymore well i i think it's one of those things where listen i'm i'm all about people uh i'm all about contrition i'm all about improvement growing i'm all about that i think absolutely people like you know i always get that again the occasional message would be oh you don't like they could grow like yeah but they haven't as soon as i see that they have i'm all for it i'm all for a comeback i'm all for change i'm all for that but this guy i mean really he he has he has the history he has um i mean he threw out his twitter because he couldn't handle it which i suppose is realizing your faults now he's better than me um i think i don't know i think the reality is in carolina i mean what what do you even say about for the carolina hurricanes that's

a damn good hockey team i want to know what you guys think about what brindamore said after the game because i'm trying to find the exact quote but it's essentially he says we have a really good team but we don't have a really good elite goal scorer and him calling out his his players there uh and saying we don't have an elite goal scorer what did you guys think about that quote i think that's calling out a young team and they might not like hearing it it's calling out a guy like sveshnikov it's calling out a guy like sebastian ajo who's making 8.5 million dollars thank you very much mark bergevin um and it's i mean he is kind of right is it like a matthews but very few teams do.

Is it a message to the GM to go get me a guy? Could be. Could be a lot of things. It could be a message to the owner to get off your wallet and help us out with some elite goal scoring, go make a big move. I don't know who they were supposed to.

I think if you objectively look at their forwards, Aho, Svechnikov, Stahl, Terrovainen, Kokuniemi, Fost, Martinuk, Seth Jarvis is developing, and then you got Nikes and Lawrence, or i'm sorry niches niches is i think the best chance they have at that uh maybe well and suppose like he had trouble getting in the lineup and then and then give me some martin niches then

you got if you don't want him all my god he's amazing yeah domi nita rider steppen and uh trocheck are all ufas but like nobody on that line lineup i would say objectively is an elite goal scorer it's a really it's a really solid deep team but they do lack the elite level he's can i read the quote just so i don't uh i don't get accused of putting any words in his mouth so rod brindamore post game says i always think the team is good it's just do we have elite goal scorers maybe not but we have great players we're built a little differently than some teams you've got to play to your strengths i think we did that but it just didn't work out going in tonight there were five teams left playing that says something we've got to come back next year and be better

now it's a challenge it's a challenge to everyone in the locker room saying that sebastian ajo had 37 goals this year yeah is he calling out ajo uh andre svechnikov had 30 goals this year calling out svesh that's not elite yeah oh is it so let me just so we're clear on that is 38 goals no longer elite goal scoring in the nhl not this year no not with the amount of 30 goals you qualified as pretty damn good like absolutely let's look at it as what he called it i think he's challenging them for this summer take another step yeah you got 37 where's 40 get into the elite company you got 30 where's 35 yeah yeah okay let me uh let me have a look here uh stat leaders i'm just i'm just gonna pull up uh goal i don't want postseason i want regular

season and i want uh goals complete leaders okay so tell me where the cutoff is where it goes from elite goal scoring to very almost super good i like that okay okay all right so we got matthews at 60 we're going we'll go down to number five in the league kareel kaprizov had 47 yes that is an elite that's an elite i'll go five spots down um tied at 9 10 11 12 uh is stamkos kachuk forsberg and lindholm with 42 is that elite it depends what the definition of elite is because that's what i'm trying to figure out here the gap the gap between first place and that is almost 20 goals i think we this conversation lends a lot to your,

Steve Engel, your Hall of Fame argument. When you hear the name, you should just know. And I think when you hear the name Stephen Stamkos, you say that's an elite goal scorer. He is.

When you hear the name... Kachuk is now. Have to be. When you hear the name Lindholm, do you immediately say is that an elite goal scorer? Do it one more time. He had an elite season.

Elias Lindholm. Jake Gensel. I'm not sitting here saying... Johnny Gaudreau. David Pasternak. 40-40-40. Barkoff 39. I hear the name David Pasternak, I say elite goal scorer.

Tate Thompson. Best player in the NHL, Tate Thompson. We also don't know how many of those guys missed any time. Tate Thompson, Jesus. Well, Matthews had 70. Matthews, of all the people in the top 10, except for Phillip Forsberg, missed the most time. But there's like an 18 goal spread between the two of them.

Forsberg's an elite goal scorer. Yeah, you should just know. You should just know. But here's the thing. What they're asking for at that point, by the way, Matt Duchesne in number eight at 43 goals what a season wow um i i uh i ask you if i'm the general manager if i'm waddell in carolina who of these guys of these quote-unquote elite guys could i possibly fucking get there's one guy who in the top 10 there's one guy that i'm going to be able to get this year who's that actually two who's william kneeland cadro i'm joking yeah horace burke you also got

your own guys yeah you do but which is so that's what brindamore is doing okay but oh oh at 38 so he's right on the cusp right we can agree on that of elite goal scoring we put it into 42 43 goals that's elite the majority of the carolina hurricanes aho included are either in their prime or entering it so he's challenging a very good team borderline elite team to be elite to cross the borderline to be elite to to make the next step yeah they lost six two they only had two you know what i mean they're capable of more than that and and i gotta tell you man everybody's talking about carolina being like oh it's gonna be a rough summer for them it's gonna be really tough what i see this i see this is an exciting summer these guys could do whatever they want

this is a fucking like they have so much cap space and they've drafted so well they've drafted so well their their defense is set you've got slave and you got shea you got pesci you've got chapfield ethan bears an rfa you know that you can keep some of the guys you need to keep you probably can augment your defense but you have got one of the best forward free agent crops out there right now and don't tell me that a guy like philip forsberg or johnny goudreau or any of the other guys that are available who can score a lot of goals aren't a great fit here do not confuse having decisions to make with being in a bad position right the carolina hurricanes have decisions to make they're in a great position they're in like they have all sorts of good

players. That's what the best teams have. That's a great position. Leading goal scorer is 24. The next one is 22. Yeah, come on, guys. Come on, guys. Yeah, and he's challenging these young men to get out there and hit the gym as hard as Rod Brindamore did when he was a player.

Still does. Still does. He got locked out of a gym by his, was it his school? I don't know the story. Yeah, go look it up. They're like, Rod, you can't go in the fucking gym. And they had to close it. Why? Because he just kept going like a maniac. He just went like all the time.

You know, no one talks about it, but the reason the Legion of Doom, I think we're able to be the Legion of Doom and Eric Lindros towards it. Like when they were at their best is because Brynden Moore was playing defense. Those guys could go fucking hog wild because the coach could throw out the Brynden Moore line.

And as long as he was out there, when he was playing at Philly, you could do anything you wanted. Did the Habs have elite goal scoring last year? No, not really. But Philip Deneau was like, don't worry, boys. I got it. All that boring defense stuff.

I got it handled. You go and have fun. And Philip Deneau gets 20 goals this year. just because hilarious yeah i i to be honest with you one of the teams that i'm most excited to see what they do this summer is carolina because they've been let's be honest they've been a little cheap they've been a little cheap yeah right they've been a little cheap right the owners notoriously likes to sit on his wallet yeah and listen i guess that's how you become a billionaire yeah is you sit on your wallet but i just think it's pretty pretty cool the position

that they've got like they're not playing they're not not a single player on this roster is getting paid more than 8.6 million and that's aho svetch is the next closest like does he have a does he have a extension kicking in uh svetchnikov does it's already kicked in aho's uh got next year in the year after and then he's a ufa they walked him right to ufa with this contract who's they carolina oh i guess montreal did yeah crazy pain in the ass pain in the boots key wouldn't it be funny if he signed in la wouldn't it be funny if carolina offer she did someone else from montreal all right so we got lightning rangers tonight okay yes and we're gonna play a game called yes or no do they score we or no and this is a yes or no do they score a goal in the series okay okay this

proves see what what i think is going to happen is i think in edmonton um colorado i think it's gonna be high scoring of course yeah you think you're really going out on a limb tampa rangers i think it's gonna be low scoring yeah you got two of the best goalies in the league right so that's why i think this is important so who is gonna score a goal and jesse and steve i'm asking you both and then i will give you the sports interaction odds you're ready these are the odds for scoring a goal tonight is it tonight yes okay so tonight who scores the goal tonight okay yes or no chris kreider i needed 47 goals this year

no no okay so that you would have okay value on that it's a 142 but if you do yes and he and it hits it's 270 it's not an elimination jesse what do you are you take your yes or no chris crider no chris guy does not score tonight steven stamkos yes or no tonight no i got no on steven no one's the road team uh yes they are it's at new york yes on the road why on the road i have the vision okay with the vision i think the best value one has got to be nikita kucherov no is a 138 yes is a 285 are you taking nikita kucherov oh really yeah oh i'm still gonna say no. Is Tampa not going to score any goals this year?

Okay. Alright. I'll take yes. You'll say yes. Zabina Jad. Yes or no? Yes. No. On the yes, it's a 320. On the no, it's a 130. All the no's are going to be super low, so I'll just tell you the odds on the yeses. Okay. Kalorn. Yes or

no? Yes, he's due. 380 on that. Oui. Same as, or just a little higher than Zabina Jad. Jesse, Kalorn. Kalorn, no. Palat. Yes. That feels like a yes.

Okay. Ross Colton. No. No. Believe it or not, Palat and Colton have the same odds for a yes. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Colton's been good. Lafreniere. Okay. No. Yes. Use a yes. He scores a goal. All right.

At 430. Alexis gets it done. Okay. I'm going to sneak down a little bit here. I'm going to sneak down a little bit here. Okay. Ready? Mm-hmm.

To score a point. okay i love this one what you got all right to support score a point do you give victor headman a point tonight headman uh gets a point tonight power play past the standoff believe it or not the riskier bet is no what the hell yeah it's a 215 his i guess he's pretty his odds to score are lower are higher than than lower okay it's more it's more likely he gets a point than not They're not, yeah. Okay, let me give you, here's one for Leaf fans. Nick Paul, to score a point, no is a 160, yes is a 220.

What do you take? No, despite you and Berkshire. I didn't like that tweet. Really? I thought that tweet was hilarious. By the way, can you tell us what happened with Berkshire? Can you explain that one? so basically um nick paul was i believe him and jason spezza were traded for each other okay

or no he was traded no yeah it was for each other he was traded either from the dallas stars to the sins or his pick was traded from the dallas stars to the sins in the jason spezza train and then he was and then he ended his career by scoring two goals in game seven and i paid him um that's so funny that's that's the right reaction um i thought the odds for tampa and new york were a lot closer than one would expect okay so we've got tampa 169 new york at 220 tonight just for the game does that seem right to you because you i everybody in their right mind's going tampa's winning this year everyone everyone is saying it tampa doesn't know i saw espn was uh pro rangers what yeah i was surprised i was surprised

um i'm gonna say like tampa doesn't need to win game one okay to win a series we know this um so i'm gonna give tonight to the rangers that makes sense that doesn't mean i'm giving them the series it's crazy to me that a home team is getting a goal and a half on the puck line yeah like They're the underdogs in starting of a series A game one I think everybody's grossly overrating Tampa in a game one I think they win the series

But I think New York wins tonight They haven't played in over a week I feel like that counts For something Rust or health You can go either way with it People always during the playoffs They're like oh this team's been off

And they're like they're going to be really healthy They're going to be really rusty Which side are you picking No, they'll be quicker and more durable in the wrong direction. All right. Do you take the over or the under on five and a half goals? So do they get, do they hit six or do they hit five? I'm taking the over.

You're taking the over. And I just said it was too low. It's too low. Five and a half. They can, you can hit six goals. I punched the under in the throat. I'm taking Rangers and over. Wow.

Okay. I don't know about that one, Jesse. I think there's going to be low scoring all the way through. now is this series there's no bet on this on sports interaction but is is this series going to be more interesting than the canes ranger series or is it going to be a continuation of the canes ranger series i am very excited for the cat and mouse game that cory perry and ryan reeves play i i mean if you're ryan reeves what is your job neutralize cory perry 20 goals Corey Perry but then my name is Patrick Maroon and it is my job to enable Corey Perry that is

going to be very interesting oh that's a good point okay so that'll be fun to watch all right so uh Lightning and Rangers tonight um I don't know Jesse you picking picking over that's wild man I think that's the craziest one let's go Rangers see all playoff long though we're like This is where the puck stops here. No more goal scoring. Everyone's going to shut it down. We've been wrong every time. So I get where Jesse's coming from.

Okay. But I refuse to learn from my mistakes. I'm going under. Now let's talk about Jordan Binnington. Why? We almost fight this time. Jordan Binnington, man. So I got a message from a Blues fan yesterday,

and I think it's important to start this segment like this, okay? They're like, hey, hey, you with the big fat head and the raspy voice. And I was like, he must be talking about me. Well, but today it could be both of us. He said, listen, you're always, you're always saying that you want more personality in the game.

And Biddington's got personality and you're, and then you're shitting all over. That's essentially the sentiment. And the person was super nice about it. Like they weren't mean, but they're like, hey, watch out for this. you know you don't don't go back on what you had to say now let's there's something i want to address with binnington when we talk about the press conference that he gave um i've got the

quotes here jesse i'm assuming you've got the the one minute clip the god-given opportunity clip which i love so much let me just say this jordan binnington is a personality in the game jordan binnington is a notorious personality in the game and i enjoy that but that doesn't mean that i Because he's a personality, I'm not going to say, I'm not sure about that logic there, Jordan. That's fair, right? Now let's go ahead and have a listen to this clip. So I went to get my knee checked out mid-game,

and I was coming back to the rink. The game just ended. Walking down the hallway, couldn't find a recycling bin. On my way down the hallway, and right before I walked into the locker room, And I see him kind of doing the interview there, smiling, laughing, and I'm there in a knee brace limping down the hallway

and just felt like it was a God-given opportunity. I don't know, I could just stay silent and go in the room or I could say something and, you know, just have him look me in the eye and understand what's going on, something to think about. And I just, yeah, threw the water bottle, an empty water bottle. It landed like two feet from him. So it is what it is there. I mean, but it is what it is.

It's hockey, and it's a competitive game. Now, if this was just a water bottle thrown, right, if this was just a water bottle thrown, maybe the incident's a little bit lighter. but obviously weighing on this is the fact that Nazem Qadri was attacked all weekend police were involved you know you know about the racist incidents you also know that Jordan Bennington sent out tweets that were racist in nature flat out they were they were a decade ago they were when he was a teenager but the dislike of Jordan Bennington does not stem from he like fakes he fake punches guys right it stems from that and everything after that has built right and so

so obviously there's there's those those con those things color it right those things you know add heaviness to it that that occurred and the fact that the blues again didn't say anything like the the thing is the crazy working on it they're working i like i i sent that tweet out because i had a source that's we just talked about how it's going to take five years to change the rules it's going to take a little bit longer to word a carefully worded press that racism's bad yeah but i but but beyond all that beyond all that's pretty good can i use that you can you can how about this end racism oh man that's even more concise do we like that but but distracting from this particular point the problem with binnington is is a problem i see

nhly on certain goalies and i want to um i want to quote one of my favorite twitter accounts uh acting the fullman uh he tweeted this out yesterday he said i might sound conservative here but i think we as a society and he's being tongue-in-cheek have coddled goalies too much and too long and the result is jordan bennington because here's what's going to happen next year okay well you want you mark me okay next year cadre's going to play for somebody we don't know who and you know that whenever that team rolls through town whether it's colorado or somewhere else um it's gonna be somebody on st louis is gonna have to go after cadre and bennington's going to be chirping them all game but bennington isn't going to have to throw a punch my issue with

jordan bennington is not jordan bennington being a notorious personality i like notorious personalities i don't love his history i won't lie to you on that one but i like personalities with the nhl i love it i don't give a shit that he threw an empty water bottle i don't give a shit about that i really don't care i don't it's the other shit around it yes his personality wasn't even good no it's not but he's it's sort of like it's but here's here's what it is a good point here's what were you entertained by that it's not even that exciting right but here's the thing this is where you enter wiener territory this is where you're a gigantic wien if you have a friend you ever been to a bar with a friend of yours and they get a little belligerent when they're drinking

and you're all you have to be the one that goes okay let's go home or or you have to stand up and go hey don't hit my friend and i've been in both situations yeah jordan binton is the guy that starts to fight and then fucking walks away he never has to stand up and actually answer for his own shit so he can fake punch people he could throw water bottles he can do whatever he wants and then he just fucking walks away i've seen him do it time after time now i know blues fans love him i know they're gonna hate me for this but i am telling you to the 31 other fan bases and really for blues fans who really get it and i know you do that is wiener material it's a wiener move to go out there and start a bunch of shit and go hey bertuzzo can you deal with this

thanks so much i appreciate that how many what he's gonna get robert bertuzzo to beat him up cadre doesn't play for the blues but that's listen listen you know i think they're just mad that hey when bertuzzo made a comment after that i wanted to hey no one hurts my guys but us or but me that's my job um like how many consenting fights have there been between a goalie and a skater they're not allowed lifetime they're not allowed i was thinking like matthew barnaby beat up a guy but no that was matthew barnaby beating up like the only guy i think maybe ron hextall fought a player once and the and the flyers were probably like i'll let ron do it he's better at it than we are not that i recall like i what one i got one andrew peters versus ray emery

oh yeah that's it because emery went at martin b ron it was not a good match so i've never seen a team's enforcer have an honest to goodness fight with a goaltender this is one of the wildest things i've ever seen and anyone who's ever worn goalie equipment is wondering how the fuck did emery do that um without like completely getting his ass kicked um yeah binnington is he's not gonna do anything man that's the thing right if he does i'll be the first person to get on here and be like holy shit if he if he air punched a guy and then made him fake and then fought him i'd be like okay that's that's sort of badass right there you know faked you out whatever but this like what was the there was a cory perry mike richards fight from like junior

where i think mike richards like tripped and they were all laughing at him it was when he was playing for the rangers and uh cory perry was playing for the london knights it's one of the craziest fights i've ever seen oh i vaguely remember this and then like and everybody's slapping Adam Channing, calling Adam Corey Perry, he's giving him, and then Mike Richards comes back and wails.

Just goes nuts. And the thing is, it's like, yeah, you could kind of make fun of a guy, but they all answer the bell, except for Binnington. And even if Binnington wanted to fight a guy, his teammates would not let him.

And this is the problem. So you want to go and you want to start shit and then walk away and then pretend you're a tough guy. You're not a tough guy. He's not a tough guy. Stop acting and playing

like you're a tough guy. You're throwing water bottles. you're throwing fake punches you're talking shit but you're not going to do anything you're going to run i i think what you're saying is eventually you're going to run into someone who's just going to drop you i don't think anybody will no i don't think anyone's going to touch them i don't because i think the blues are fucking huge and they'll kill you that's a good point like like you do you want like okay i said pertuzzo do you want ryan o'reilly to meet you at center ice the next time brayden shen's a big boy oh yeah even with multiple rib injuries yeah there's there they

were slower than colorado but they're a fucking tough team man i don't know like this is the thing and that's why people are like oh what's the problem why don't you guys like binnington that shit no one likes a guy who comes in starts a fight and lets his buddies clean it up well and like he did it to like wasn't it eric carlson did he or it was like eric carlson or like he like fake punch villiuso and the the stick swing by the face i i think that might have been cadre and like someone one day is just gonna do it and they might get their ass kicked after but someone someday is just going to do it and you guys don't have a problem with the water bottle thing but i think the water bottle lends to exactly what you're saying he's he threw a water

bottle at a dude who's in the middle of a press conference who's not going to do anything it's post-game the captain's not going to go fight him in the hallway or anything and he chucks a piece of plastic at it that's a wiener move sweeter yeah i think that's the exact point you're making and it's just it's all encompassing of who he is is it evil and sinister and should he be locked up for it no but i i like there's no legal term that that your honor this man is a wiener yeah and he also in the press conference he goes hawk it's part of hockey you know hockey's competitive what part of hockey is throwing a water ball at somebody who throws a shoe honestly if if if uh if there was like an ongoing rivalry between a couple players and one of them threw a water

bottle at another one water in it or no water in it during a press conference i'd be like that's kind of funny i can't wait to see them go at it next time on the ice but the reality was bennington wasn't going to play again and even if he was playing he wasn't going to be the one cleaning up that mess and that's where it's like and i'm not saying goalie shouldn't be competitive i get that i'm not saying but at a certain point shouldn't be upset after getting injured either no i'm not saying that at no point have i said that listen i get why he was frustrated but i'm just i just it's wiener material guys ween and it just it's cringe i understand you liking your guy totally i cheered for nasim kadri for many a year listen we all did if brad marshand was a

leaf i'd have a jersey love him but he's not so do you see why do you see how i could hate him then yeah yeah that's the thing right whatever people were like i hate nasim kadri i'm like listen i get it uh-huh but no people used to hate leo comrade used to hate him and listen i get it but no that's right our rat islanders fans know he's great well jesse was uh he he he had the uh Emory versus Peters fight playing and do you know the visceral feeling I felt when Patrick Coletta came on the screen?

But you know how many Sabres fans probably own his jersey? Well, he was the only one worth cheering about. But he was such a legendary shithead for them. Yes, he was. For them. Art, the team that we cheer for, was on the other end of his shitheadery.

So, of course, we hated him. Ramry's got a smile on his face this whole time. Yeah, because Oh, he wanted it. Well, because he, if I'm not mistaken, the lead up to this, I have a vague memory of this, is he had like a few near misses with getting into fights and you could tell he was itching to get into one, which I don't get the impression Bennington is itching to get into a fight.

And then he finally had this opportunity. There's a line brawl. Martin Biron obliges him, gets his ass kicked. and then andrew peters after easily winning his fight i don't remember who he was he just jerseied the guy right like the sense player was no match for andrew peters yeah no yeah no like emory and like i don't know why emory like he's he loves it but like dude he's just getting punched by peters he can barely fight back because he's wearing goalie equipment that's the other thing right you can't goalies can't fight anymore because they're gigantic equipment he's just

like i just want to fight anything i don't care if i get my ass kicked i just want to be involved imagine vasilevsky with his fucking huge ass pads trying to throw a fight you just be like it's like you know it's like that kid from a christmas story he was wearing the snowsuits that's too big yes he just falls maggie simpson yeah yeah just a star he'd be better off like just like getting into sumo stance and trying to bowl the guy 100 100 by the way if you get the chance we can't run the footage obviously because it's nhl copyright but if you get the chance look up the emery peter's buron fight because at the end of it emery knocks buron over and then buron emery's like like as soon as buron falls right here buron falls emery's sort of like

laughing then he pins him or whatever and then emery's gonna get back up and you're gonna see buron just grab his pad and pull it out like no i just trips him and then he walks away and Emory's laughing. Anyway, crazy stuff. It's a very good fight. So there's that. Now, Rasmus Sandin made news yesterday because of the 32 Thoughts podcast. Because of us?

Because of us. At the end of our last episode, I asked the question, would it be bad if he got offer sheeted? You guys don't remember that? Yes. And then all of a sudden, Rasmus Sandin's in the news every day. I'm sure Elliot's listening to this podcast like, happy to ghostwrite your show there, fellas. SCP breaking news.

Making everybody else's topics. I don't know. Breaking news, breaking hearts, baby. No, I think, I just thought it was funny that. You think it's funny how? That Elliot Friedman has been told, according to what he said on the 32 Thoughts podcast, that people around the league, not Leafs people,

have said you should watch that situation. The Leafs have five left-handed shot defensemen. Kay Brody plays the weak side. but are they going to make room for him you got to be careful with that what are you gonna be well because um uh to to compare it to another toronto sports story in a different sport there was a report like oh oh and an obi og and an obi could be on the move because the raptors have you know guys this position they want a defensive center might be unhappy but where did this come from other teams came from other teams so someone told elliot off the leafs have

five left-handed defensemen what any asshole could have told you that yeah that's that's just someone who oh watch this situation of course watch this situation and the two most likely candidates fairly obviously are rasmus sandin and jake muzzin so you have to decide what you are and what you want. Jake Muzzin's the guy. Why? I'm keeping Rasmus. Because, listen,

I thought Jake Muzzin was great in the playoffs. Me too. I think Jake Muzzin embodies everything you want to Toronto Maple Leafs decor to be beyond the skating and the speed.

I agree. He's a great person. You know what? Love that he grew up a Leaf fan. Love that he likes being here. Everybody loves the guy. But what is he,

33 now? 34? 30. Hard side of 30. And I say that as a 34-year-old myself but i don't have the injuries that jake muzzin does you nor do i have the skill um you've never had to shadow david pasternak exactly and i just 33 33 with two years left on that deal

two or three i just can't remember when he signed it now because of coven but yes he has two years left on the deal expires off season 2024 so in a non-cap world you're keeping jake muzzin but it's the cap world and the leafs have got to sign a goaltender and you know with with jake with jack camp yeah probably two that you gotta you gotta drop marazic steel which they will and then you know they you know jack jack campbell wants a minimum three or contracted five million plus and the leafs don't want to pay that so at a certain point you're gonna have to open yourself up are you going after darcy kemper are you making a trade what are you doing and i don't think that jake muzzin yes he's got a modified no trade but please god don't tell me that people with no

trades don't get dealt all the time don't tell me he's not a valuable piece to another team at five million bucks he is well and like spending all this time drafting and developing rasmus sandin just to trade him because you have too many guys well and it's like you don't trade rasmus sandin because you have too many guys it doesn't make sense you keep the 22 year old yeah no because imagine you trade sandin and then muzzin who is older and has had some injuries gets hurt now you're down two who are you calling up i don't know some dude because justin hall's not gonna be there either like literally some dude hey some dude hey literally he's got players i can't wait for yeah every year like there's one day where dubas is like i'm

signing eight randoms let's go yeah and like every year and we and we convince ourselves here is why randoms number one through eight are the best players in the world and then we almost never see them and when we do we're like oh they're a random jesse's gonna draft at uh the person's name is gonna be spelled s-o-m-d-o-u-d-e with the uh apostrophe on it some dude uh some dude uh in his nhl uh gming the next time he signs up you just got fired by the way in his own stream we'll talk about that for him you are disrespecting axel rindell and and and joseph duzak who's gone and uh toppy niemela there's a there's a niemela that is a guy it's a hundred and sixty pound child who has not played professional hockey in north america carl

everyone please stop carl dollstrom could fill in for jake muzzin and sandin aren't here anymore does everyone see what i'm bloody saying you know what i mean like very funny point yeah muzzin is more difficult to move i don't think he's so difficult to move that there's not a point in at least looking at it i just oh man i do have a very hard time imagining a better toronto maple leafs team without jake muzzin i don't think you get better that way i think you hope that you have to play differently and you have to hope that um hope you could get not a good strategy Well, maybe you can get, and I'm not saying Zach Bogosian, but maybe you can get a Zach Bogosian type on the second pair or third pair.

Is there a way you keep both? Oh, yeah. I think there is. What's the Sandin contract look like if they can get both done? I mean, $2 million a year, maybe. Maybe. If you're Sandin, you probably aren't looking for a long-term deal because you haven't necessarily been an everyday player.

You probably want a shorter deal. But he believes, from what I've heard, he believes, and his agent believes he's an everyday player and doesn't understand why they're not playing him every day. He's right. He is right, and I don't understand that either. Yeah. There can be criticism leveled at that.

There's a logjam. Certainly. It's unfortunate that he's in this situation, but the way the team's built, there's a logjam in his position. Now, Giordano can play the right, if I'm not mistaken. And he did. So that, to me, is how you keep both. Yeah.

You have, I don't know. Oh, yeah, but then there's Lilligren. No. So you have Hall's gone Yeah Assume Hall is gone They do have

Yeah There's a solution here Again By the way How did Justin Hall Get a modified no trade Can we throw that out there What

He has a modified no trade In his final season We'll click the thing It might be like six teams Players submit to Ten team no trade list That's not bad How

Yes it is He's marginal He makes like He makes like two million dollars Give him that Ten teams No Absolutely not

You never give him that Because he makes two million bucks You don't get modified no trades until you're making six plus million on my team. You don't understand how difficult it is to be a GM. Like as somebody who understands As somebody who got fired as a GM. To push it over the line, to get it over the finish line

sometimes it requires ten teams. You give it to them. You know how you can just dismiss everyone who hasn't won a cup? Yeah, that's right. No cups. That guy right there. No simulated cups. Boo.

Boo. Boo. You know, you got to remember too So Lilligren, Sandin, RFAs, LaBushkin, UFA, but LaBushkin's a right shot D. Yep. And I think you bring Bush back. Well, if you're going to get rid of Muzzin, it makes some sense. Muzzin and Hull, I would think.

I don't think it makes sense to have Sandin and Lilligren not as everyday players next year. I don't think you can either. I really don't. No. Like I could see a defense core that looks like this. i want them to play riley brody together for god's sakes stop the nonsense they play great together stop well and now here's the thing though like geo on the second pair i don't think makes sense so could you do because i was thinking like sandy and lilligran third pair no that doesn't make

sense because then you're bumping up geo well okay so put geo down and put timothy lilligran in the top four which he's good at sandy and lilligran up like this is the thing with being And LaBushkin Giordano. I don't hate that. That's okay. That's okay. Like the, the problem with, uh, being a cap team is you have to make decisions like this. Yes.

Right. Like you're going to have to give young guys a shot and you're going to have to watch them play like shit through October and November, and you're going to have to get comfortable with them playing like shit as long as they improve. And by the time like Valentine's day hits, they're no longer playing like shit. and then you feel confident heading into the trade deadline and hopefully you don't have to do anything massive at the trade deadline because if you

if you can pull off something massive at the trade deadline, bless you fill your boots. If you have to you probably shouldn't be making the move in the first place. Interesting So anyway, I wouldn't put, as Steve said I wouldn't put too much into the rumor that Sandin's not going to be here next year

I could, like, listen. Tie that up in a bow If I'm Sandin and I'm his agent and i'm talking to the leafs and i'm not an everyday player next season in their eyes i asked for a trade i so i wouldn't be surprised at all to find out sanding has asked for a trade or he's asked for like a conditional trade listen if you're not going to use me blah that could be like a thanksgiving sort of thing like an american thanksgiving thing like let's say we get to that point in the season next year and he's a healthy scratch ever he just goes all right that's enough

move me clearly though he's like i didn't understand it the playoffs either i thought well okay fair enough but they said he could have come back and lilligren getting scratched yeah i know hall came in and he did have some good games no question and he had some justin hall moments no question they never went back to him but they never went back they never tried it yeah i think he found what he liked yeah it was and listen on the security blanket it was and it was also coach has one one goal separated the two teams right one goal it's one flipping goal so it'd been easier to tie it if hall hadn't given it away anyway yeah that's funny um all right so let me let me i want to tell you this before we get into the press conference and this jersey

jesse's got a random leafs jersey um and i just want you to we'll hold that for just a second yeah whenever you need it but remember i told you on monday about santa chin in the uh the football team in the french leagues yes that's now been relegated to league two now to catch you up on the story flares yeah so so this is how fucking crazy european football is so the next time anybody says oh it's really hard to play in toronto show them this clip and you can look this up it's basically a bunch of european football uh fans they rushed the field after sainich and they had a two game aggregate play in sainich and absolutely dominates game one but randomly the other team gets a goal late in that first game so they end up tied and it's like

fuck but they have the advantage because when you play and you tie an aggregate you get the advantage going home right aggregate is poo aggregate is it's my least favorite thing about soccer so then uh and basically i don't know how we're but anyway long story short they lose the second game on aggregate. They tied it up, but it's aggregate. So long story short, they lose this fucking game. Had they just stopped that one goal in the first game on aggregate, they're not getting demoted. And this is one of the most storied franchises in French soccer. Saint-Etienne and Bordeaux, both of them were relegated this year, which is insane. And it might be a three year path before either are back. And obviously Saint-Etienne fans are pissed. So what do they do?

they rush the field now there's one team that's celebrating the fact that they win and there's the other team santa chan literally running for the exit as their fans throw flares at them and it's one of the craziest things it must be like what watching a battle scene looks like because you just see a bunch of people running at each other and they just start hucking flares and they don't just talk it at the players they hucked it at the players exit so the players couldn't leave that's what's so crazy about that yes they're trying to hit players but if you look a lot of people are just strategically throwing the flares in the same spot so it's tough for the players to leave so they can hear it from the fans wow yeah now i

i got sort of obsessed with this story and i promise you there's a reason i brought this story up because i have not seen this reported anywhere okay okay but there's a connection to what we talk about here on the steve dangle podcast so i think you'll find this interesting so you know i got into the history of it and i get apparently there's a president and there's a general manager essentially and this club has not been in receivership but they've been trying to be sold for like the last three years and these two power figures within the organization disagree with each other and they don't have a coherent plan on what the team should play like on the field or who the club should be sold to okay and so there are two potential buyers

for this club and the fans are pissed about one of them they're super pissed but the two guys finally agree on this one person this one person and the reason the fans are super pissed about this one person is that he owns a company that is what's called a multi-club company meaning like uh uh when george gillette owned i think he owned manchester united and the montreal canadiens um there's a you know a few other people they own multiple sports franchises multiple cities in multiple cities the uh fenway sports group that just bought the penguins and they own obviously you know the uh boston red sox like mlse owns multiple teams but they're all in toronto so that at least makes sense that's right um so the name that is being sold to and this isn't even the

name that i want to talk about but this is the one that santa chen fans are super pissed about okay david s blitzer okay he is a minority owner of and co-managing partner of the new jersey devils oh the philadelphia 76ers crystal palace fc fc augsburg uh ad all corn ado den hag and Real Salt Lake. Jesus, that's a lot of teams. And so now he wants to be a part of it. Now, so, so, Saint-Etienne fans, they want a one owner, one team guy,

because what they want, they don't want to become part of, like, a brand ecosystem. They want their identity, and that's their identity. It's Saint-Etienne, or it's nothing. They want to be focused on it. 100%. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, like, if you're, and, like, listen, in Europe, if you're a Crystal Palace fan, you're not also a Paris fan.

If you're a Crystal Palace fan, you don't also cheer for fc barcelona right you cheer for crystal palace and crystal palace alone that's how it works whereas this organization would own several teams and really there's a reality like where there's a there's a um a reality where at uefa they could play each other oh okay right so that's where it gets a little bit like this is greasy it's murky but on the business side it makes a whole bunch of sense you own shares in multiple different companies and you get to you know it means uh you get to cut expenses you means you have one marketing team etc etc etc so the other person that put a bid in to buy sanit gen and this is where i get super interesting who is it

john chayka oh what interesting john chayka and the only reason i know this is i read a british newspaper every morning as a part of my prep like the same one the general manager former general manager of the arizona coyotes founder stat leads and i believe his family has a seat on the wendy's board in canada isn't he the president of the doubles uh he's not he never that never actually happened no john shaka put in a bid to buy saina chan and the fans wanted john shaka to have it because he was going to be a sole owner of that rather than it being dan s blitzer and his company and by the way dan s blitzer uh is a senior executive with the blackstone group which is known for buying up a whole bunch of residential housing jacking up the prices and renting it's

a lot of people don't love blackstone i didn't know the chicas had money like that i didn't know the chicas had money like that too i assume this isn't cheap and and here's the thing i have not seen any north american news outlet report on it wow if you google it in google news you barely see anything but john shake have put forward uh apparently a bid to do this and i just thought that was kind of nuts and i thought you might want to know that imagine going from owning sorry being the gm of the devils or not gm of the devils gm of the coyotes the youngest gm in nhl history is what he was and then he was gonna buy a team in in paris like it sorry not in paris in france the only place where i can find anything to do with this story is reddit

well the guardian had it this morning yeah like the uh the papers over there are reporting on yeah the guardian manchester guardian was the only one and i don't even think they call it the manchester garden it's just the guardian um they're the ones who reported on it there's a the reddit article leads to foot mercato uh and the article i believe is in french so yeah there are zero and the reason articles except for the one you read the proposal from canadian businessman john shaker to buy the club which ruled out pursuing a multi-club strategy to protect the identity of Sainich and appears to have been disregarded

purely owing to Cazazos, and I apologize if you're a soccer fan and you know how to pronounce that better, personal relationship with Blitzer. So the guys who are selling the team have a personal relationship with Blitzer, part owner of the Devils and 76ers and Crystal Palace. So only because of that

are they going to go with him to sell. And so fans are absolutely furious because they had a perfectly good offer from John Chayka and his group, whoever that is and that would have maintained their singular identity and it's just because the other guys know each other and like each other that that's where it's going and that often happens in business of course but it's just i just thought for no other reason i have no opinion on it i just thought that was very interesting to see john shaker's name pop up

there that's wild what the hell and jesse's got some visuals from yeah from the guardian article that mentions uh chica the uh fires it's uh it's it's such like i guess the dude's not coming back to hockey like i don't know yeah you're like president of the devils i don't think so no especially because he's going head to head with the co-managing partner of the devils to buy this team oh because blitzer would have tried to hire chica that's why the coyotes were were docked picks i don't we're not dog picks and that's why chica was suspended i i have a hard time believing this dude's getting back in like dude the nhl then i should say to the nhl the nhl is such a tiny club and they probably didn't like john john chica for the crime of being young but now he's

got all this other stuff you know the all the coyotes baggage and what's going on with the devils and yeah he ain't getting back in but who cares he might have a something else i don't know do you bid on like is he just like an enormous fan of that team or is he looking to buy another one maybe he's just a businessman yeah you might like i assume maybe he does again maybe the thing is maybe he's like i don't want to back in the nhl yeah he was also suspended for a year if you guys remember he wasn't allowed to work in 2021 in the nhl and nobody hired him and like the reason uh his relationship with the uh new jersey devil soured because he was he lied about having an interview uh well you know he lied to the coyotes about not having an interview with the devils

and then the devils became uninterested in him and then he got suspended and they made him resign and chica he had a messy history there with uh with the league and i don't ever see him coming back and it sounds like he's not interested in it and he's happy with his wendy's franchises that he owns with his wife and why not the breakfast baconator adam yeah you would know i'm working with wendy's influencer adam wilde right here it's very good when you go adam i'm like oh oh yeah he's got a deal yeah yeah and it's because i know john shaker no i do not know john shaker i do not know john shaker wow wow wow wow wow adam what a spot isn't that why i just dumb luck guys i was just reading the paper this morning

unbelievable guardian i was reading i read the guardian most days there's usually something i read you're such a nerd i know i like the guardian i listen i know it's not uh i know there's like news news in the uk is a little bit hardcore this or hardcore that but it's important to get there's tablet crazy tabloid shit that i follow and then there's some crazy like in journalistic stuff that they do the cover of the tabloids in the uk on a daily basis is more outrageous than the most outrageous tabloid you've ever seen over here yes yes i'm including like vampire aliens yes it's insane it's anarchy it is oh my god it is so i'm i don't care about your feelings over there yeah so anyway i don't know what to make of this but if it tells you

anything about uh john shaka and the uh resources at his disposal uh that's a lot wow yeah nuts right dude's like 30 that's unreal i mean he's he's good at convincing people to do stuff obviously yeah dude like i don't know if he's like rich like rich like that on his own so the fact that he was able to get a group together and convince them to part with their money to buy a football club should tell you something about how convincing this man is yes no kidding crazy wow so we'll see where that goes but uh say to chin keep your eyes on him and i only knew this because some people threw some flares at some other people it's nuts wow yeah like what was your reaction when you first saw that name i was like it can't be the same guy and you looked at him

well it said canadian business businessman john shake i'm like there's no fucking way and then i'm like there must be another john shaker and john i thought john shake it like coyote's john shaker i thought he's an american and then i realized i'm like no i like i didn't i just thought he was i'm like man i think he's an american not that i really even knew or cared to be honest like no offense but i don't care where anyone's from really it doesn't matter that much um and uh and yeah no it's actually him jake is a pretty i mean it's a it's not like smith right or mill or something like that where you're like oh i see that all the time right right right it's yeah it sticks out yeah it's so cool stuff there you go please update me on that we'll i'll

Yeah, let's see if we get any more news on who buys the team. I guarantee you, somebody is going to pick up on this in this country. I mean, I know we're a media outlet, too, but we don't do journalism. But somebody's going to pick up the phone and call him and be like, hey, John, what's the deal? Just like how we started the Rasmus Sandian rumors, we're now going to start the John Chayka news. Don't forget, don't forget, when the Toronto Star picks this up,

it was the SDPN that had it first. You better quote us. Because we just quoted the Guardian, actually. I get so protective of CJ. Oh, CJ suggested. Yeah, we already suggested. where well podcast won't network yeah they never name names we don't ever get credited for that the sdpn never gets the credit but that's okay yeah cj said this i know he did where

where damn it all right let's do the press conference