The Steve Dangle Podcast - Gary & Bill | November 3, 2021

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Gary Bettman and Bill Daly hold a disastrous press conference to address the Blackhawks situation (00:00), Adam has some thoughts on Duncan Kieth (48:00), the Toronto Maple Leafs beat the Vegas Golden Knights (1:04:00), Vegas and Calgary are pushing hard for Jack Eichel (1:14:00), and the sdpn App is out now! Visit sdpn.ca to download (1:24:00). Originally aired: November 3, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/koxqhJ2CJI0 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://betmgm.com/ https://betterhelp.com/SDP https://www.audacy.com/thedailytip/podcasts/betmgm-tonight-live-58256 Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that's bad is that a joke yeah it was a really good one i thought it was a very good one what was happening i don't here let me chug this let me just we're also going to talk about uh the there's no caffeine in that no there's some we're also going to talk about the leafs game last night and but first obviously this is our first show since the gary betman press conference with bill daly and i mean unless you're kathal kelly from the globe and mail uh on what was on all fronts an abject failure at the nhl level and on a on a on a level that was previously unthinkable before we get to betman and daily themselves um it is i i don't like posting stuff in the morning but every now and then hockey twitter when it's sleepy and groggy comes together

to tomato exactly one person all at the same time right and i woke up to the tomatoing of yes the six flag guy strikes again with a bad opinion it's great to explain what he said he said basically that gary bettman handled it as best he could and there's nothing else he could do oh that's not that's not a good take no it was the exact opposite take that almost everybody took from that opposite take of what happened in reality yes well that too that too like it's you might there was no headphones a bit sorry there was no devil's advocate there it was just hey you know how you see an article of mine every few months and it's usually not for the right reasons yeah here i am yeah and it's it just it absolutely got tomatoed and the thing is you know

you could talk about how that would drive clicks for them but they're a subscription newspaper so you probably couldn't even read it unless you were subscribed and uh and so that doesn't that's not going to drive subscriptions this is going to alienate people netflix doesn't get people to subscribe to their product by pissing them off yeah like i know people are like don't share content you don't like but that did nothing for the globe no it doesn't no and and if it's free content yeah don't share it if you don't like it for sure uh if it's if it's subscriber based content sure share away so you know what outlets it's coming from that was a it was just a it was an objectively wrong opinion as jesse said and no one's gonna leave an angry comment by going

let me enter my credit card information before i do this i spoke i spoke with alan wallace yesterday a lot of people asked if if i had we we released an episode and i think it's far more current to what is happening than people even realize it's about is glenn healy is on and he's talking about the 92 players strike that lasted 10 days right before the playoffs and then the 94 lockout with which was the first one with gary and gary was gary was coming over from the nba and gary was the savior of the owners because he was going to implement a salary cap now we know that didn't happen but it's interesting to hear why and gary that is the start of gary bettman's career in the nhl which is why that podcast is particularly relevant but obviously you saw alan tweeting

about the fact that you know there's owners now are concerned about uh about gary bettman should he should he be there and when i was talking to him yesterday he said the same thing on 32 thoughts when i was talking to him yesterday it was like uh my phone was gonna melt like he was fired up and there's not everything i can repeat but you know i think it's a um it's a good it's a good representation of how things are inside the game now i want to i want to get out get into this press conference here but you know what you saw on monday afternoon to me at least is the exact reason um whether why now or in a few years because gary is slippery and can slide his way out of these things uh why gary betman and bill daly's time has passed as

effective leadership and it's you know i i heard jeff merrick on 32 thoughts talk about you know i don't want to call for anyone's job or see anyone lose their job and i get that um however sometimes and he and bridge put it perfectly sometimes your time is just passed yeah and covet has accelerated that for a lot of people yeah 100 and robo gary and robo daily didn't do a very good job of a pretty simplistic task at the end of the day and the key was to and what what an audience needs what a group of fans need what a player who was sexually assaulted and didn't get justice for still hasn't gotten justice really and had it covered up and was told he was a liar etc etc for over 10 years the thing to do is to lead with empathy and they did it's like

they googled empathy beforehand and tried to impersonate it for exactly three minutes yeah for exactly three minutes before abandoning it for the next 50 can i be immature for a second anytime i hate bill daly's face what's wrong with it he's just so smug and aloof and i just never want to see it again well it seemed like you know because all they have to do really is go we're so sorry to kyle for what he went through and we're so sorry for our part in it for the league's part in it for the way it was set up at the time that's not a reflection of what we are right now that right there would have been better but what they said was essentially he's brave and we talked to him and yeah i mean sorry it happened man we've decided he's not a liar anymore right

good for him not being a liar and and the thing is is that they handled that press conference like they were worried about being slapped with another lawsuit which by the way the penguins have been we can get to that later in the uh in the in the show and i think this type of press conference guys would have worked 25 years ago i think this would have worked perfectly 25 years ago well 100 but it is not fine now i mean i think we live in an age where what you see on the news gets repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated and people go hey wait a second let me deep dive into that now that i've watched that eight times i've noticed something yeah and the the word um and the demands of the job has changed and

there's a saying for this and it's called emotional intelligence oh they hit thank you adam god they don't have a lick of it not a lick they are intelligent they're both doctors doctors at law but they are not emotionally intelligent and there is no doctorate that they can earn that will teach them how to be emotionally intelligent uh the commissioner is the pr dartboard for owners we know that sure um but the commissioner also in a good scenario needs to be somebody that connects the league and its owners to the fans the nhl ownership groups and Gary Bettman and Bill Daley have lost track of that. And they lost track of that a long time ago.

That's why they get booed every Stanley Cup, right? And, you know, I look at somebody like Adam Silver, who is not perfect, but, you know, he does the same job Gary Bettman does on a bigger level with more constraints and more challenges and understands why movements like Black Lives Matter matter and what to do about them. And I'm using BLM as an example.

uh you can point to many different things uh i mean how long has the wnba been around i mean david stern was on that um there there is so much about hockey that gary betman and bill daily could and can do but they can't do it because they're not capable of it yeah adam silver does not always get it right does not but generally speaking when he walks into a room your feeling is not right and it's it it would be the way i see gary betman and bill daly in the emotional intelligence arena is how i would see steve or me or jesse suiting up for the toronto maple leaves tomorrow night we would be ill-equipped for the job is that fair uh yeah very fair we'd probably fall on her face which is exactly what happened and here's the thing what i saw from the

press conference undoubtedly you've seen the clips undoubtedly you've seen the replays and you know what happened to rick westhead and you know what we'll talk about all that but before we really get into it i need you to know this gary betman bill daly and the people that work for them are frozen stiff right now not because they're scared but because they don't know what to do and i know there's a lot of owners out there who would probably love to see gary fall on his sword and i would caution audiences from if that happens being too worked up or going you know what we got them because remember the people that hired him are still there yeah and they are the ones that really need to affect change so you could be calling for gary betman's job i am suggesting

that time has passed him whether or not he loses it now or later but i will say to this i don't know that that changes anything owners are more than happy to let somebody else take the fall for them that's the joy of having money as people do that and in this particular case it would be awfully expensive to make gary betman go away but what's that to the owners and frankly um he is actually not equipped to do this job at this level anymore it's true i mean we saw it we he's objectively not there no we talked about this in a different context before the show started we are less than a month into this season i don't know how a lot of people involved are going to survive i really don't um like a lot of people are emotionally exhausted from the last

year and a half two years and this has been an emotionally exhausting few weeks uh for the nhl and i don't this isn't going away it's going to get so so much worse before it's all said and done and as resolved as it can be how do bill daly and gary betman make it to the end of the season it's going to be so painfully uncomfortable and like imagine firing the commissioner mid-season and the chaos that could potentially cause so it's his time and yet it can't be what the hell do you do with that what on earth do you do with that situation can i ask you guys uh something that my therapist asked me oh let's go you ready i had it yesterday too hit me um one of the things that i struggled with when i started really going back out back to

therapy last year hardcore was explaining how i felt feelings were harder for me to articulate you keep a thought diary and a feeling is a one word thing okay feeling is a one word thing so that's what i wanted that's how i want to set this up you watch the press conference i've seen i haven't seen it front to back but i've seen all the major highlights and read everything so jesse you listen to it on the way home how did you feel listening to it in one word well I'm more than a word, but you know what I mean. I don't know. My takeaway from it was that it was a hostile environment because the media could sense what Daley and Bettman were delivering, and it wasn't compassion, and it wasn't empathy towards Kyle Beach. And immediately when that

happened, when they were like, okay, this is our lawyer press conference, the media who were on that Zoom call reacted appropriately in that they challenged these guys and they came back at them. and that's the exact opposite of what the intention was for bill uh daily they want to shut it down because yeah they wanted to just come out there and do their lawyer speak and have everything kind of clean and cut and then we move on from this because that's all they want to do and the exact they got the exact opposite reaction because everybody could see through it because like you said they're they don't have the emotional intelligence intelligence to react to something this area so when when our last show ended we were um we the press conference had

just started yep we went upstairs and we were reading some of the quotes and i'm already seeing tweets from mike stevens and greg wischinski rick westhead's been on here a long time and he hasn't gotten a question yeah and then you and i turned it on in our car and how far into your drive was it when you i want to know what the moment was like because you heard this live when you heard pierre lebrun say i think my colleague rick westhead needs to get in i was shocked like it literally it made me jump a little because i was i was like whoa i didn't expect somebody to do that on a zoom call like it's the like i said the media they were doing everything that um people wanted them to do so i gotta give all the credit to all the reporters that were in

that call because they asked the questions and they acted appropriately the way the fans are feeling right now the way everybody who who should have like who is uh reacting appropriately to what what happened to kyle beach the way we want to scream at betman and daily and the entire blackhawks organization for what how they let this individual down the reporters reflected that in that uh zoom call and like all credit to them like pierre especially when he hopped in and was like hey what what the hell why isn't rick getting a question so i know you want to move on no i don't sorry i don't actually i want to re-ask the question oh okay i just i wanted to contextualize pierre lebrun when it comes to everyone wants to know what the actual hierarchy is that's the head

of the table with all hockey reporters and writers that's the head of the table and for it meant something that someone spoke up it meant more than it was him so my question to both of you again because neither of you have answered it yet okay and it's not i'm not trying to be a jerk but i want to know how you felt tell me how you felt i know what happened overall how did you feel overall from no when you're in the car you're listening to the thing your your human emotional reaction uh they can't help themselves no how do you feel though i know what's happening with them and what this is this is what's so interesting are you angry are you upset are you disappointed are you how what's the what wording would you use to describe how it felt in your gut you do you do

go to therapy because i'm describing thoughts and you're asking for emotion exactly anger anger jesse uh i guess disappointment is the correct word because for kyle beach because this isn't what you want in the end i think that's that's what i was feeling uh most in that moment can i tell you how i felt yeah apathy yeah disconnected and the reason i bring that up is everybody's reaction to this is going to be different you're going to have that jesse's going to have his i'm going to have mine but one of the things that i wanted to get to about what the commissioner job really is it's supposed to be the representative of the league of the sport that you love and as such a commissioner i believe must be able to make a connection to fans and to be able

to do that in the 21st century you must have emotional intelligence you must be able to connect why what you feel and what your audience this time fans and media feel why that's important and you have to acknowledge that those feelings are in the room and they did not do that they could not do that they can't do that and for that i don't fault them they are ill-equipped for this that's not what they can do there's so many quotes i don't know where to begin well and and so so let's let let us begin okay so i mean i think the first thing to start with and i know this came up later but i wanted to start with the fines is that okay oh yeah the fines comparison oh the two million dollars and someone asked about it yeah so this to me was a perfect example of when i ask

you guys about what you feel why this is an issue so it was asked you know listen the devil's got fined more for caps or convention they lost draft picks and they lost they were fined more money that coyotes for just just sneaking some people in for a push-up lost three or four draft picks and you're finding these guys two million dollars for a sexual assault cover-up that seems odd to me and and then and and so betman's response to that is four words long different context different facts now elliot friedman and and i think steve brought it up on the chat as well there is a theory out there that they're gonna pay the warts family's gonna pay a bunch more money in settlements and that that's the true penalty but i have to be honest with you

and tell me if i'm crazy here i see those as separate they're incredibly separate the it's the league establishing a precedence versus restitution for kyle beach that's the real punishment what the fuck no it's not why is the nhl continuing to make kyle beach do their job because that's exactly what it is if that's the real punishment it's kyle beach doing gary betman and bill daly's job what else is there like when you if you if you have a drunk driving charge they don't reduce it because you have to pay your lawyer a bunch of money to defend you like they don't reduce your whatever your penalty is in court well we're not going to find him because he's already got to pay his lawyer you know like i got i got pulled over for speeding

when i was 18 i was i was going too fast uh on the way to work i did 83 and a 60 oh i've done 90 to 60 i got dinged for that pretty bad that's kilometers to all the americans who went holy shit yeah just now um yeah it's true yeah it's good to more i did 83 and a 60 and the cop said you know what the real punishment is your dad is going to be upset when you get home and he let me go kidding he gave me a fucking ticket and i had to pay it because i did something i shouldn't have and then dad also got mad and he was mad that i got the ticket he was mad that i did it and mad that i got the ticket he probably made you do some chores too yeah he did the cop was probably like yeah you know steve the real punishment is you'll have to do the one for the rest of your

life this is this is a true story i clocked out of work and i stayed and like raked leaves and like swept for like another two hours good for you i don't want to go home yeah yeah i've done shit like that too oh yeah just kind of hang around somewhere if you want to go look at your parents and get yelled at yeah yeah my boss is not fun what are you what are you doing and then he's like you have to clock out i'm like i did clock out he's like whoa you really don't want um this is this is i want you to remember too what are the blackhawks being fined for besides kyle beach's situation and in fact what i'm about to bring up to you i think is the real reason the nhl is mad i don't know that kyle beach is the real reason the nhl is mad here's

why i think they're mad bill daly revealed that although the blackhawks and by the way this is from luke fox although the blackhawks gave the nhl a quote heads up about a potential civil litigation case back in december the team told the league there was quote no merit to the threat the nhl didn't take action at that point and didn't hear more until the suit went public in may and that was a rick westhead report at the time now the reason the nhl is mad in this situation civil litigation as in they're getting sued if i'm the nhl for due process okay why are you getting sued right and then they've assured the nhl that there's no merit to the claim which it turns out was baseless by the way yeah so what you did was you either lied to the nhl

or your own incompetence made the nhl look terrible it's 40 billion percent the blackhawks fault yes the reason the nhl was still like ah no but the reason the nhl's mad and the reason that fine was levied was not because of what happened to kyle beach let's be honest it's because they made the nhl look really bad and it was still only two million bucks yeah i that's that's what it is and this league this league has now shown you that caps or convention is more important than a sexual assault cover-up you've now seen it you now know it in case you were wondering there it is that's the proof precedent there is no there is no other way to look at this caps or convention will get you a bigger penalty than covering up a sexual assault for 12 years

and and this and again the smugness oh my god i really do just don't say it steve i really do hate them um and you should hate them because they're hateable but the different circumstances different facts is that what it is yes that was the quote all right we're gonna ask you about different circumstances gary john doe too and what's and that was rick asked him about john doe too and potentially getting restitution for him and some help for him and strangely rick didn't have the facts i need to know more i need to know more more about that that was one of the questions you asked me to pull do you want me to play it please play it i can definitely do that like that's something you could have you literally could have crammed for that gary you could have

read some shit last night and you didn't even do that because you suck give me one moment keep talking he sucks he smells he'll daily smells i hate the both of them like sorry i don't know It's time I have to fill. I hit them both. I have a suggestion at that answer, by the way. I think there's more to that answer than you think. Interesting. So let's hear it once Jesse gets it cued,

because I actually think I really want you to listen to the question, and I really want you to listen to this answer. Thanks, Chris. Next question comes from Rick Westhead of TSN. Go ahead, Rick. Oh, Rick. Rick, I believe you're muted. everyone was oh poor driver gary i've got a question and a quick follow-up if you'd allow me

i understand in your call with kyle beach and his uh attorney on saturday that you assured them that kyle and his family would have us you know counseling for as long as is needed uh because of this and i wonder if right now you're publicly willing to make the same commitment to the boy who was abused by Brad Aldrich in 2013 and to his family? I would have to know more about that circumstance. I am more focused because of the circumstances in front of us on what happened in the NHL environment. I wouldn't certainly wouldn't rule it out. I certainly would need to know more information. Having said that, making our resources available is something that I would probably, not even knowing all the facts, want to do, but I think I'd need to know

more before I could make the type of blanket commitment you're asking me for. Can you tell me, Gary, whether the NHL supports the Chicago Blackhawks' attempts now, even after the team's apology, to dismiss the lawsuits that have been filed by Kyle Beach and the former high school hockey player? What you're asking us to do is make a judgment on the legalities in a lawsuit with respect to what may or may not have happened here. And I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on whether or not the lawsuit has merit, which is really what you're asking me to do. I did hear Danny Wirtz say on Tuesday that they would be interested in trying to resolve this and settle it, but whether or not they should be proceeding with their legal options

and determine ultimately under the legal standards whether or not this is a meritorious lawsuit, that's for the lawyers involved to decide. what we have had thus far what we have had thus far I hate building this space so much is the he didn't say anything I don't want him to shut up like sorry

what we've had thus far is the so far the I'm trying to figure out the best way to word this from Katie Strang and from Rick Westhead and I believe a reporter with the last name Hamilton who I have not been familiar with but for each doubt i'm out on 32 thoughts so i've got john hamilton chicago uh john hamilton um what we've seen from them all we have seen are facts all we have seen are facts and for those who

are a little foggy because i understand this on john doe too what's the position with john doe too can you tell me what john doe too yes so um i may have the dates a little wrong but uh basically brad aldrich uh committed uh he did what he did with kyle beach and that was in 2010 he largely escapes punishment beyond he had to resign from the chicago blackhawks won a stanley cup won a stanley cup got his day with the cup got his day with the cup did he or didn't he get a letter of reference moving forward i don't know if he got an official letter of reference but I mean he could say for the rest of his life I won the Stanley Cup of the Chicago Blackhawks

and if he did get a letter of reference it's now somebody put it in the trash bin on their Mac and then hit empty trash bin and it doesn't exist anymore if they ever find that thing and then 2013 he moves on and he's working at a school I think a high school

and assaults a 16 year old boy who is John Doe 2 a crime for which he was convicted in 2014 i believe and served nine months in prison and three years probation on three years probation so i ask you that to ask you this gary betman accused rick westhead of asking him about the merits of a particular lawsuit

based on facts i would need to know more i need to know more facts number one that's a shot across the ballot rick's reporting in my view because which is by the way been above reproach he's such a snide child because i really because he's saying i need to know more facts and i don't read your work and even if i did i'm not sure it contains all the facts number two i don't read your work but i'm gonna freeze you out for 46 minutes number two fuck you let us not forget that john doe too and the bravery john doe too showed by coming forward and explaining what happened going to his parents all of these things and by the way the family's been horrendously negatively affected by that i don't know if that's how much out there that is yeah

by doing all that we have a factual basis that was proven in court and punishment was administered and adjudicated was it not you went to prison so so if i am guilty if i am the commissioner of the nhl if i am the commissioner of the nhl i know that story backwards i am a doctor at law which is what he is one of my one of the players that was on the fringes of the league was sexually assaulted by one of the key teams in my league one of the top teams in my league sexually assaulted by a video coach in that in that league and gary betman with a straight face wants to tell you that he needs more facts and that he doesn't know the situation so one one of the two answers are true

here gross incompetence or he's lying and and and this is this is the part this is the hard part for me it's it's the it's the same thing that you know when people talked about bergevin well you know he he he didn't know he was absolved no he wasn't absolved he just wasn't mentioned he wasn't absolved he wasn't exonerated and he either knew and is in the same position as shovel day off which is a gray area i think we can agree on we'll get to that or he was grossly incompetent and was completely unaware of what was going on in the dressing room right one of the two have to be true with gary betman either you either you didn't do your research on this lawsuit which you maybe should because it's an nhl team being sued over sexual assault because your nhl team

didn't handle it properly and a kid was raped so it's either that or you're just flat out fucking lying i'm gonna throw it out there that he uh if it doesn't have to do with the national hockey league he doesn't fucking care but it is the black hawks are being sued and i think the the correct answer is usually the easiest one it's probably that he's lying he is like he knows he doesn't have to lie there all he has to do is saying we're looking at our options that's all he has to say it's but he's he wants to take a shot and i'm sorry no it's okay no i'm clearing my throat he wants to take a shot here at well you want me to do this rick you want to play gotcha reporter no rick just wants an answer as we all do yes as to what you're going to do for this kid well

and to this person to me it ties in to his inadequate um response when asked about sheldon kennedy's situation and he felt the need to point out well what happened to sheldon kennedy the abuse he suffered was not at the National Hockey League level. Fucking we know, Gary. That was unbelievable. By the way, you know how we know? We read the facts. Give it a

shot. Once ever. You nailed it off the top of the show. He's got no emotional intelligence. He knows everything about it and he doesn't fucking... I'm so glad you brought that up because I couldn't believe that answer. Well, it didn't happen in the NHL. Yeah, and I don't know if he said it quite

as flippantly as that but one thing that was mentioned on 32 Thoughts I hope he drew his hands up one thing that was brought up on 32 Thoughts was how pissed off the sponsors are and to me that was a

flimsy you're talking to Kyle Beach you're talking to John Doe 2 you're talking to the reporters and you're talking to the fans here and that was Gary taking a small aside to talk to the sponsors by the way that didn't happen at the nhl level just so we're

clear yeah didn't happen at the nhl level let's slap a sticker on that it only happened to a nhl player that's great gary wasn't the fucking question get a clue get a clue once ever so this is why i i cannot stand when this guy talks because it's we've been over it on this show over the years and like i've sort of flip-flopped on gary where every time he talks i hate him every time but my my argument always back you as well he's a lawyer well he's a lawyer and he's doing his job and he's a dartboard yep and he's been good at that he's been good at being a hateable face yeah and he's done this for the league and that for the league but i think the main reason i've always kind of hated his guts is he never speaks to me or anyone i was gonna say

like a human but even when he does manage to speak to us like human he speaks to us like children he's such a snide you don't get to be the way you always are on this press conference and neither man understood the assignment at all they both failed and that is why time has passed them by that is why they are unfit for the assignment if you asked me to be commissioner of the nhl i would say are you fucking nuts no i am not i am not equipped for that i'm not equipped for that it's also like unnatural you're equipped to be the commissioner yeah all right maybe you're equipped to be the commissioner for like 30 years i don't think anyone is is capable of doing that no i also i also look at this and go people people will say his gary's defenders and there

are still gary defenders out there many they'll say well that's a lot to ask they say well that's a delicious boot oh sorry what that's a lot to ask of one person and i'll say yeah he's the commissioner or she's the commissioner of the nhl get out of here yeah and now now i i know there's other things you guys want to bring up here i do want to step into the pierre lebrun rick westhead moment that will live on in infamy. Rick Westhead, who broke this story, who was the first guy on it, Katie Strang right in there as well. I want to give credit where it's due.

Everybody, just be clear on that. We love Katie. She got a question in the top five. I don't have a problem with her. Not yet. The NHL has a disdain for Rick Westhead. That's pretty clear. The guy that breaks the story, you wait 41

minutes to call on him. He was hands up every time, hands up every time. One of the most interesting moments of drama I think at NHL history. You could make a Netflix movie about this. It would be an awfully sad one, but this would be one

of the key scenes where they freeze him out, freeze him out, freeze him out, and Steve, you mentioned it, reporter at the top of the table who would be in contact with them all the time. I reacted out loud in my car. Asks for them to call and request

that. Jesse, I'm assuming you have that moment. You have to keep talking. I will keep talking. So, well, here, I'll contextualize it with time. It is a 53-minute press conference. Daly and Bettman spoke for three, four, five minutes off the top. Then they took questions. At the 41-minute mark of the press conference,

Pierre Lebrun calls on them to take a question from his colleague, Rick Westhead, and they get to him at the 46-minute mark, where i believe he was the third last reporter to get a question kevin paul dupont got more than one uh dregger they tried to give him more than one yes dregger was muted the whole time i it was a it was as much needed there was nothing funny about that press conference at all except that every time i was in the car and they called on dregger multiple times they're like darren it's your turn you're you're muted and then all right moving on moving on and we're gonna we're gonna get back to darren i'm like oh here's darren and no darren and uh lebrun got in twice

too down down down now oh sorry it's me it's okay is this yours uh yeah it is just a little higher perfect okay anyway they did not get to rick westhead until minute 46 and it wasn't until minute 41 that lebron was able to uh campaign for his colleague that's fine that's just thank you mark a follow-up from uh pierre lebron go ahead pierre yeah guys i'm also hoping that my colleague rick westhead will get a question on this call but in the meantime a follow-up to my first question uh i spoke with sheldon kennedy today no no you know what keep it going you want the question yes i do you know one of the things that surprised me is that he has not heard he said from the league over the years given his work in this space he said the same thing about the pa

and i was curious as again there you stress the desire to you know to further educate for the league on on this would you reach out to sheldon kennedy at some point given his work over the years in this we're going we're going to reach out to anybody who's interested in working with us uh you know sheldon's terrible experience was not at the nhl level we've been focused on what we have to do for the nhl uh players and personnel uh but certainly sheldon uh has an interest in working with us particularly as we seek to set up a network that can provide access for anybody involved at hockey at any level we would be more than welcome to to work with him and have his input the the reason i wanted you to play the full answer the question and answer is the the

the shelvin kennedy quote that betman is being criticized for didn't even need to happen hey you gonna reach out to sheldon kev kennedy you bet yes that's that's all it would have needed to be yeah i will reach out to him because he's an expert in this space yeah he's an expert in this space that is a great suggestion and we're already on it no we will only reach out to people who were specifically uh sexually assaulted in the nhl if you have no if you've never been sexually assaulted in the nhl then you have nothing to bring to the table like that's literally what he was saying. Now, I want to read you a tweet.

I'm not going to tell you who it is. It so didn't need to happen. I'm not going to tell you who this tweet is from, but it's going to blow you away for a couple of reasons. Actually, the first part won't blow you away too much. She says, imagine choosing to be infuriated about hockey players celebrating winning games when there's

literally no sexual assault policy in the NHL. There is no sexual assault policy in the NHL. This is part of the problem who said it i don't know barissa and gemini and gave me yeah when did she say it i don't know february 3rd 2019 oh emily caplan on abc news live the nhl is the is the only one of the four major north american professional men's leagues without a specific domestic policy that is october 27th of this year they do not have a sexual assault policy they have not created one and they deal with this on a quote case by case

basis that's messed up in a nhl memo sent to teams yesterday this is as of october 28th Emily Kaplan, again, who has just been on Fuego. She's had an unreal year so far. Quote, fostering a safe and inclusive culture is the title. Per a copy I saw, all league personnel and players are required to immediately report to Gary Bettman or Bill Daley conduct that is clearly inappropriate, unlawful, or demonstrably abusive. Now, imagine you're a player, and you've been abused, and you watch that press conference. You're required to immediately report it to Gary Bettman or Bill Daley? How confident are you in those two guys being able to manage what you have gone through,

which is, in any case, a life-changing event? They want everybody in the NHL to report abuse to them directly after a press conference like that. I wouldn't trust Bill Daley and Gary Bettman with my coffee order. 2018, Emily Kaplan, the NHL, unlike the MLB, NBA, and NFL, does not have a specific policy pertaining to domestic violence. The NHL, in conjunction with the NHLPA, did implement a, quote, domestic violence, sexual assault, and sexual harassment training seminar for all players in 2016.

That is June 20th, 2018. Emily's been on this. Marissa's been on this. People have been on this. That's a good fact. I like all these facts. It's good that you have the facts. Gary wants the facts.

Here's some facts. Now, somebody made mention, was it Rick? Somebody made mention of an incident that happened in the Blackhawks organization in 2009. And this has to be, I don't even know how you power rank. Like, you know how Stephen A. Smith has his list? Power rank blunders in this press conference. this one has got to be near the top and we didn't even lead with it and that is bill daily speaking about how the bill peters investigation has now concluded two full years later jenner and block

took a couple months the nhl is they're now at two years later and then bill daily has the balls to say, we've been in touch with Akeem Alley, who's management, to see about next steps, if in fact there are any. And immediately after, Akeem Alley, who's representative, comes out and says, that's news to me. Are you kidding?

I know, I'm trying to find it. They just got humiliated over and over again in real time. Here it is. So Elliot Freeman with the tweet, League says investigation into Bill Peters is completed. we've been in touch with the key values representatives about next steps if there are any like you said this is news to me and not true says ben uh misalas i am a keem i'm a keem's rep and nhl has not been in touch with us for over a year also investigation was into broader

issues of racism a keem experience in uh entire career in nhl and not limited to peters witnesses we told them uh about haven't even been contacted which i thought was eerily similar to uh just a few days ago when we were talking about bill garren and um how kevin shovel day off is sort of a precedent setting case for what could potentially be coming for bill garren which is nothing well and then later that night though safe sport uh the hockey news tweeted that safe sport concluded their investigation with belgarian and everything was fine and then rick westhead was like but no the complainant hasn't been interviewed by anybody with i think it's over hockey news jumping the gun a little i don't think they had the right information a little yeah i think that

had to be incorrect yeah i don't i yeah i don't know if it was i think they were just reporting what they were given right and maybe safe sport needs to fucking chill and get get uh start interviewing the right people yeah but like again uh it's all taken care of no one involves been talking uh spoken to what there's how do those two things happen a week apart there's also two years ago what have you been doing like the alley-oop situation when the investigation was supposed to be done like it's not like you're sitting on your hand all parties involved didn't admit to it immediately like bill peters admitted to this so gone relatively he was gone pretty much right away yeah what needed to be done like i told you jenner and block did this in a few weeks

two years i know you had covid but come on are you kidding this also happened before covid by the way yeah i remember when this when uh he did his initial twitter thread like i was in studio then yep so it was it was two years ago because like public pressure kind of waned and dissipated and people moved on like covid happened and everything the nhl figured hey we can just move on too and not talk about this investigation until somebody asks again and then now people are asking if nobody asked we would not have this information because they would never tell us and again i just i don't know how anyone's going to make it through this season and i don't know how fans are because i just i don't feel like the league cares do you understand why

i felt apathy yes do you understand why we feel disconnected and not the worst one yours is the the nhl needs to be the most concerned about that people just won't care did you see the blackhawks game the other day it was a crowd i know it was monday and i know it was the sens came with that hat trick and they finally win a game and no one was there to see it the slices of pizza were more expensive than the tickets did you see that no i didn't see that pizza was that true pizza was 750 tickets were seven seven dollars for chicago blackhawks game yeah american though so ten dollars the uh the bulls are really good too lonzo and derosen and caruso are falling out jesse it's the chicago blackhawks come on it's the bulls no that's the

reason that people are going the black yes not anything we're talking about demarco rosen taking down the blackhawks hero love them uh it's uh dude it's bad it's very very bad this is i was like depressed all day yesterday i was just like well i i told you at the beginning of the show yesterday yeah last week was very hard yeah and i didn't live it and it's just exactly but it's just like you know when your whole life is hockey it affects you a little differently my wife was like why are you so like okay it's a bad story and i'm like well i kind of like i read about it and listen to it and have to react to it like every day and i'm sad i'm sad and i think a lot of hockey fans are sad and that's not how you should feel when you think about a sport shouldn't feel

sad rick made outside of losses rick made a great point during the first intermission of last night's game when they were talking about the case and everything because the nhl said that they're gonna continue their investigation and interview kyle beach and talk to him about it and rick said that they don't understand that doing all of these things and making kyle talk about the situation over and over and over again is hurting him mentally like this isn't this isn't good for him to relive the trauma over and over again and even in that case where they're like oh yeah well uh we want to talk to kyle and we want to do all this and they're like he's like they don't even understand that that might be a bad thing there's just there's a whole area where they

just don't understand how any of this should work they don't understand yeah they don't understand because they're not emotionally intelligent is there more i think we probably can move on from the past press conference because there's we could we could do a whole show we could do a whole show but i think we hit the major points but I need to hit something that I think is underreported. If you would go with me on this for a minute. I will indulge. I'm not sure if you saw this.

I think it was lost in the shuffle, but Duncan Keith tripped and fell and stumbled on his own conscience. Now, first off, I want to give you the context here. Duncan Keith, who is a part of the system in Chicago that favored certain players over others, showed up in camp to Edmonton acting like he's been allowed to act his entire career this season.

which is more important than everybody else. He's Mr. Character, Mr. Leadership. Edmonton Media, the Oilers organization, they all touted his leadership skills and his character. Veteran presence, what they needed on the blue line. He shows up unvaccinated and then later told everyone he didn't know about the allegations brought forward by John Doe 1

in the lawsuit in May until he was filed. Now, why do I bring up unvaccinated? well let me come back to that okay they ignored the unvaccinated thing in edmonton by the way with oh he'll get to it he'll fly south get the johnson johnson no big deal he's just gonna he's only gonna miss the first week of camp and then when he got it it was well at least he got it yeah and any well he missed the first four days i think four days of camp i don't even know and when the allegations were brought up he along with every blackhawks player from that team still currently playing said yeah we didn't know and then the oilers media said yeah he didn't know

what was he even gonna do poor duncan but and if he did know oh some what a he would have leadership he had the problem he would have done something he's duncan keith said the media and i have to call this out because honestly i i we all saw the video that was circulated you all know who i'm talking about and it's hard for me i don't know what you don't know what you're talking about okay i'm gonna call them out gene principe and mark specter put out a video oh i didn't see that and it's on sportsnet and it was well you know duncan keith didn't he told us he didn't know he would have done something there's a there's actually like a a screenshot of it that's been circulated i think the video has been taken down the screenshot yeah i didn't see the video

no accountability no pushback they don't push him on it okay well he's done this guy is above reproach nick boynton brent sopel both pretty key members of that blackhawks team both said everybody knew and this is disgusting paul vincent yeah got around 2014 a former teammate of kyle beach chases him around the ice and calls him the homophobic f-word but duncan keith along with jonathan tase and patrick kane did not know anything about what happened in 2009 okay possible not plausible possible not plausible and here's where you lose me forever and ever after the jenner and block report was issued the media turned to duncan keith and asked him about it again and he said well i wasn't even interviewed

that's not a direct quote i'm paraphrasing i wasn't interviewed for it what he did not say that night was that he turned down the request to be interviewed this summer and i would like to define the word lie to you as in that was a lie a false statement made with the deliberate intent to deceive an intentional untruth he did not tell you that he turned down the request he merely said well i wasn't interviewed so you lied the reason he told you that the reason i told you that was duncan keith lied if indirectly to everyone he misrepresented the role he refused to play in the process of a sexual assault cover-up mr character mr leadership yeah but now he's sorry and here's the part where this is the best part steve it's where he tripped over and he

found his conscience because you know what he said yes a couple days ago ryan rashad tweeted out we also if he could do it again he would do it differently as in he'd have taken the interview with jenner and block why duncan why would you have done that you told us you had nothing to add what would you have added to the investigation that you knew nothing hey guys it's duncan i was the assistant captain and i had no idea what the guys in the locker room were talking about ever what do you think now that you could have added to the summer that you'd added to this investigation this summer that you that you didn't think that you had this summer what do you think now that coming forward and talking to them would have done and by the way the investigation's over

so that option's not even on the table but what is it now that you have to say duncan why don't you come out and say it duncan and go ahead steve well i was let me throw this out there okay so do it do it contact general block and say i want to talk do it i want to add to this do it don't say you wish you did it do it good point do it i'm sure they'd be like okay call them up google that shit put an addendum on it yeah here's what's happening the blackhawks of 0910 were among the most successful organizations in the nhl at the time and for probably the better part of the next decade they were also the most poisonous let's not forget this is the organization that employed Bill Peters and stomped all over Akeem Aliyah's career at the same time that Kyle Beach's career

was being derailed. We shouldn't forget that. But if you were a star in that organization, you were treated well. You were treated above. Your needs came first and you had no challenges except for what was on the ice. And before I get the internet on me going, oh, this is crazy old Adam making shit up. You need to look at Jonathan Taze's response to John McDonough and Stan Bowman. he said they were both great men who did great things for him of course he said that that's exactly what happened they made life comfy for tase for kane for keith and probably a couple other players and of course those guys love bowman and mcdonough because the red carpet was rolled out for them of course tase kane keith have a ton of respect for them because those guys

bent over backwards for the stars. And of course, Taze, Kane, Keith have zero perspective and feel zero responsibility towards this incident because they've never had to be responsible or been held responsible for anything other than put puck in net.

Put puck in net. That is all you have to be responsible for. And I've got news for you. And this is for hockey players who might listen to this as well. That ain't real life. That's not how it works. Despite what the Chicago Blackhawks had Duncan Keith and Patrick Kane and Jonathan Tays believe.

But Duncan Keith doesn't live in real life. He's never had to. Until now. When he tripped and fell and found his conscience. So, Duncan, whether you had information to offer or not, you made a choice that it was not worth your time. The sexual assault of a former teammate

was not important enough for you to even pick up the phone. So I'm glad you've tripped and found your conscience. because you know what it shows you've grown but i want to i want to shout out a couple french radio interviews and i want to shout out a couple listeners here um alex in my dm specifically maxim lapierre said that jonathan tase who he's respected his entire career no longer has his respect and that is as a captain at that time had a duty to lead his team and and help this player Antoine Roussel

Called Taze a great leader on ice But a small human being On Quebec radio This week This shit never makes it over in English radio I'm surprised we don't translate more It really is incredible Duncan Keith is in that mix

Taze is the captain, I get it But I'm glad that Duncan Keith Tripped over and found his conscience Shows growth It's less than the bare minimum right now As Steve said, he could call Jenner and Block And have the interview anytime it does show that he's capable of growth though i think that's important and i think we ought to

acknowledge it you'll never forget duncan if you're duncan keith you will never forget this how you turn this down no matter how many cups you walk away with no matter how great it will be eventually to go into the hall of fame which you undoubtedly will duncan keith when the stakes truly got high you tase and kane back down not once but twice you knew about this 10 years ago Because again, I think it's possible that you didn't know, but I don't think it's plausible. So I'm going to go ahead and editorialize and say, I don't think so. I don't believe that. Maybe you're a great leader on the ice, but off the ice where it actually matters, you

are not. And I hope that changes. Until then, you've shown yourself and you are lacking. So if we could knock off the great leadership and the great character shit for a little bit. You showed up to camp unvaccinated despite knowing what the policies were. You huffed and puffed about it. Huffed and puffed about it, and finally they twisted your

arm so you could get the vaccine. And the whole point was just to protect your teammates. And really, the fans at large. That's the whole point. Two of whom can't play hockey this season because of COVID. One of them is your teammate. Josh Archibald, right? Josh Archibald and also Alex Stalob, who often gets lost

in the mix. I forgot about Alex Stalob. Sorry about that. No, it's okay. So you, Duncan keith miss part of training camp on your first season with a new team mr character mr leadership because of that and you also couldn't find time in your busy summer schedule to pick up the phone and talk to jenner and block for 20 minutes you have been seen you are lacking do something about it that's my message dunking keith first of all that was awesome uh i saw your screen and i was like wow adam has a lot of notes for this show i was so upset when i saw that quote he so it's funny you brought up the hall of fame because i was talking to someone about that

like is this going to affect keith or taves or kane getting into the hall of fame no no i don't know if it necessarily should because it's never been the hockey hall of great guys yeah hockey hall of high character yeah like i probably make a giant list we could probably make a good all-star team of guys who probably are shitty dude yeah look up look up bobby hall yeah just look up bobby hall or hey look at the second headline under he scored a bunch of goals yeah even better don't yeah yeah like it's it's bad trust us that it's bad um but what what i what i immediately went to when i saw him say i i wish i handled it differently is it's not too late so do it and you were talking about growth if he doesn't do it then he's still full of shit

and he didn't grow a lick when people talk about culture of entitlement this is what they're talking about yeah yep i don't know how you you don't see that the black hawks had a ran a poisonous operation that catered to their stars and you know jackie redmond had a great rant on on the nhl network tara sloan spoke on this so eloquently a couple nights ago on Hometown Hockey in Belleville. You know, it's not like I'm the first person to bring it up.

Duncan Keith bothers me the most here, though. Because Duncan Keith is Mr. Leader Man. It's also Eric. Well, sure. And the problem with that, when you have an entitled approach, is you might not even know it is.

That's what entitlement is. And I just like it's bare minimum stuff and you know what duncan you made the mistake this summer steve said it perfectly make the phone call call them up yeah i can respect that also hated each other like mcdonough bowman and quenville were all infighting and they won despite themselves because they always wanted to fire quenville but he kept winning stanley cups and they couldn't do it we talked about it in the past remember um when um they traded nicholas holmerson

and quenville found out mid media availability and he stormed off and we were like oh man they all didn't like each other and it was very toxic and like i don't i don't know like adam you put it so eloquently like it was a terrible organization at the time but they kept winning and they kept treating their stars like gold yeah so yeah i haven't heard brent seabrook's name brought up at all no i haven't either suspiciously quiet now i stayed out of the brent seabrook thing I didn't include him in that on purpose. And Corey Crawford, because I just don't know. But I know those three.

They're not around. Corey Crawford wasn't there in 2010. He was in... Oh, that's right, because it was Niemi, right? Yeah, he might have been in the organization. I don't remember, but he wasn't with the Stanley Cup winning team. Yeah, okay, that's fair. Or he wasn't on the Stanley Cup winning team.

Seabrook was a major part of it. But Seabrook, like, whenever anyone goes, well, Taves was such a young captain at the time, and okay, but I keep going back to that penalty box moment, which has a different context now, when taves was losing his cool in the penalty box and brent seabrook goes over to him and he pats him on the shoulder because he was a leader it takes a committee to lead it can't just be one guy so sorry keep going keep going sir well it's just if he was a leader then he is still a leader

right into if he was a leader in 2010 he's still a leader in 2010 and i just haven't heard his name brought up. Well, and Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel were both defensemen. There's only six dressable defensemen in each game. You think they don't chat? Sopel. Sopel Warren, eh? Sopel and Boynton were defensemen. They would have been the second

pair, wouldn't they? Or Chalmerson would have been up there. But even so. You're asking me to do pairs. The top five is probably Keith Seabrook. Keith Seabrook, Olmerson. Sopel. Sopel, Boynton. Whoever. And I'm trying to remember. Sixth and seventh. they played five guys that that uh that playoff so if i remember correct that was the later 2015

2015 where they couldn't play chemo team and uh yeah and it wasn't and it wasn't five it was three yeah um so anyway that's my issue we'll leave for now this topic with with one more thing the Wilkes-Barre Scranton head coach who is being accused of assaulting an assistant coach's wife has been accused of something else by somebody else and that suit was filed

against the Penguins, specifically Mario Lemieux. Bill Guerin is named in the lawsuit and I believe, yeah, the organization, Bill Guerin, Mario Lemieux, other owners, all of that. So that's number two now. Number two in terms of lawsuits.

And Garen is next in line for a Stan Bowman spot with Hockey USA. Maybe. Maybe. There's a reason they haven't announced that yet, I think. Yeah. And this is not... Anyway, so this just keeps going. However, as we always say, we must take a hard right turn.

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mitch martin william neil and austin matthew scored all the goals and looked great looked like they were having fun yeah sometimes it's funny there were people uh chirping on twitter um and you know like it's like well they were playing the uh minor league affiliate of vegas okay fair but the the leafs just lost to the wilkes-barre scranton whatever penguins last week sometimes it's good when the thing that should have happened does right yeah they played the sharks team that was uh had no rest we're coming off a back-to-back field versus that they played the pittsburgh penguins who had no players lost versus that they play the chicago blackhawks who are terrible garbage and

we're down to nothing like we should they should win one of all those games and now they won a game they should have won yeah sometimes annihilated Vegas and then they did they did it they steamroll the team that they should have steamroll yeah how cool was that and

and I said it last show they played from minute one to minute 60 Matt's amazing came out like first minute just blazing it was amazing and Willie had the one that just missed over Leonard's glove hand. Was that in the first? That was in the first two minutes of the game.

It could have been two goals for Willie too. So two for Matthews, one for Marner, one for Nylander. And I have to say we were tough on Mitch Marner in the playoffs last year. I think we've been a little less tough this season because we know that eventually he's going to score. I don't think there's a

more satisfying goal I've ever seen and I don't think I've ever been happier for a player to score not just the goal Mitch Marner scored about how he scored it great goal oh jesus it's him that's a hat pick that's him that's it's him it's him and it looked like he had a thousand mountains lifted off his shoulders just yeah happy look like he was having fun i can't remember he's got his new teeth he's got his yep i can't remember if we had time to talk about it last show

but the uh the game winner he scored against the team that they played most recently before vegas who the hell was it detroit detroit the game winner that he scored against detroit thank you um which was what are you counting as a game he scored it like the middle of the third and then detroit it ended up being the game winner it wasn't like an overtime winner no but it's you know what it was though was the insurance marker yes and like that should be i iced the game and he didn't even look happy to score it then detroit scored and he was on the ice for it and stick broke and he didn't he looked very upset about that and then they iced the game and they finally win and it was a little wobbly but they won and he didn't even look happy about that

scores this goal against vegas oh shit oh you can tell and then matthews didn't just score he scored a matthews goal two of them and then he got another one good game and they were he matthews scored the way matthews scores once on the power play but the shot the other one tight into the net and up high yep which that's a matthews goal willie with his shot ah bunting excellent pass ah and part of the reason is because matthews with the d was the decoy because everyone's like oh shit we have to cover him again ah it was awesome oh and campbell with the shutout ah it was nice i had to i don't know you can't scream all the time but by the way It looks as though

Jack Campbell Who reported Jack Campbell's extension Is being negotiated right now And Jack Campbell was asked about it And he didn't deny it He said I would love to stay here Which is great because we'd love to have him Now I said to you guys last episode

I'd like to address something I said to you guys last episode Where's this going The salary cap structure and all this And I realized you know what it doesn't matter If they play like this I can enjoy this and i'll just be along for the ride so i am backing off that if jack campbell signs for

20 million dollars a year fine cool someone else's problem it was an odd question because it was like game 10 and i know where's the season going with the 70 games left i think my thinking it wasn't the season it was it was beyond this season right and it was always about you know the reason that they weren't playing well as they're losing they lose some key pieces because they're paying other players a lot of money you know what i mean well listen it's nice to see you say to Kyle Dubas when you sign the Morgan Riley contract like well then you gotta get rid of guys and he's like I know

yeah Jack Campbell as a Toronto Maple Leaf is 24 7 and 4 with a 9 2 2 and 3 shutout I think that's a guy you want to hang on to that's his career nice to get him a shutout too last night he deserved it

that mattered why do you think that mattered because if they played that game the way that they did and then allowed vegas to ruin the shutout in the final minute oh yeah it shouldn't completely erase it and it certainly doesn't in the standings but i can tell you as a fan i would have been pissed off it's kind of like uh there's certain video games you play where you get a mission complete or if you do all the extra pieces you get the mission accomplished you know what i'm saying you get the bonus marks i think that was the bonus mark i'm i'm gonna throw a red dead

out there now here we go it's like you're trying to get a perfect pelt and you and you track it forever and you only get a two star nothing is more frustrating those fucking beavers at owen gila i can never get the three star it's so hard anyway sorry it's so difficult i got the varmint rifle and everything sorry i might have been playing red dead last night after it's really difficult to get the beavers at owen gila you need to try far cry i know it's outstanding you'll love it after i get the beers i have i have it then the new call of duty there's like an object mission yes where you can be like a table and you're trying to like evade everybody who's trying to shoot i've seen this video it's insane yeah i've just

been watching i've never played call of duty i've just been watching tiktoks of people be like chairs and tables and they go into like lobbies and they're trying to sit there and so nobody notices that this table is a person and not an actual table. I want to just play this mode of the game. Do you want my copy? You can play my copy of it if you want it. I can give you my copy. Is that how

it works? Black Ops 3? I don't know if you can still trade. I don't know if you can still trade. They have all the DRS, whatever, DMC, things that block that. I don't know. Well, it's a fun game. Call of Duty is always Call of Duty. It's

always fun. You can always have a good time on it and you'll always get destroyed by some 12-year-old online who's hacked it anyway. Get shit on! Get shit on! Do you guys have anything else you want to add other than, hey, the Leafs scored on the power play, three best players scoring, buzzing all night,

pumped up for Marner especially? Justin Hall is not in the lineup and kind of, like, shouldn't be. I think Keefe was right. They're going to have to build him back up. But I like, I don't mind this team with justin hall as your seventh defenseman that's okay i do why two million bucks get out of here uh like does it affect them now it doesn't change anything now this is off for off season we're not

talking about that we're talking about that later no that's later guys i want them to win this damn year i know but also injuries are going to happen and justin hall is a great extra defenseman and he was great early november yeah yeah you stick around that's fine but i tell you what if it's the year 2022 and we're still like alright this is our 7th best guy get out of here if your worry right now is the salary cap then that shouldn't be your concern

nope I agree if winning this year is what you want to do then having a great $2 million defenseman as your actual defenseman is a good way to win perhaps perhaps I mean I guess this is how Leaf fans

are thinking the story should be Lilligren looks great and i'm like yeah no trade the other guy he's he sucks he's gone no uh the story here is lilligren has arrived he has arrived he looks really good and i'm excited um i think their next couple games are tampa and boston yeah tomorrow night or no not tomorrow night let's go this is great yeah we the we i want to see how the leafs stack up to this challenge did i read a stat that am i wrong did has keith coached against boston before no he's never coached a leaf game against boston that was his first game against vegas and his first game against

boston comes up this weekend isn't that nuts because he took oh when he took over in 2019 they finished all their games versus boston and then the pandemic happened and they only played canadian team yeah i was on the broadcast that was also crazy um who's the coach for vic um who's the coach for vegas uh gerard galant gerard not gerard galant what am i doing deborah deborah deborah that was also pete deborah's first game versus toronto yeah as vegas coach as vegas yeah i was about to say jesus he's been around forever coached eight years or whatever but that's nuts as vegas that's how long it's been since we have seen boston and toronto face off yeah and it feels like yesterday i see it every day

it's kind of cool isn't it yeah it was a cool little fact I didn't think anyway I often don't has he been the key this whole time Keefe? yeah Sheldon Keefe is the key to beating Boston listen if they play against teams like they did last night

they will be a tough team to beat every night that was great Leafs let's see it against a team who has all of their players I agree but all the same I want to give props where it's due Everybody's on me about being too hard on the Leafs this year So I'm giving props where they're due

They are due I also do want to stick up for Alex Petrangelo a little bit Because everyone's pointing at how shitty his numbers are Who's he playing with? Nobody The Vegas Golden Knights What I said in the video is the Vegas Golden Knights don't have anybody right now Who make the Golden Knights who they are

Right, yes They don't have any of the main Golden Knights Except him He's one of them But dude, the team in front of them sucks well he's trying to do everything out there yeah why might that be because he's far and away their best player and they're just barely treading water right now did none of you watch the playoffs that gets why are we what when did they're we're supposed to have referendums about cody cc not

alex petrangelo what the what is this yeah and if you're saying that and then the same breath saying to me hey it's only 10 games in have you guys taken a look at the standings no not really a little bit still sits uh a top near the top of the division in third place with 11 points love that um you know who's blowing me away and we'll talk about them because they relate to buffalo is the calgary flames um very uh understated amazing start six one and two they lost they had a six game win streak so they lost uh lost one in overtime and one not in overtime and then won six straight and then had it snapped last night wow and on a questionable sort of goal but um they are one of the two potential landing spots for jack eichel according to emily caplan

again on fire right now who uh she's she's been the lead on she's been insane yeah it's insane Calgary Flames Vegas Golden Knights and I guess according to Emily Kevin Adams hasn't gotten the offer that he wants yet so those two I guess are offering the most my question to the two of you is do you take the offer that's the highest or do you keep waiting because obviously you know we said before the season man it's gonna be a big distraction apparently it's not yeah i think the there's gonna be pressure from the league to get this done they need a win they need a win bad they have five of them in nine games and like do you mean the league needs oh the league needs a distraction the league needs who needs to look better the sabers or the league

but like if an eichel trade happens then a lot of people are talking about an eichel trade and not your disastrous press conference does does it not make sense for gary betman to go you know what if you did take the deal what if you traded him immediately and gotten people to talk about anything else anything hockey related ever you know he wants it oh yeah he wants it very very bad i mean i want it i want jack eichel to get his fucking surgery yeah and both teams are comfortable by the way yeah well they better be certainly hope so i wonder if he could still make the olympics uh emily kaplan talked about that and it's pretty unlikely it's a shame it's not impossible this is why skipping olympics is wrong it's wrong because he would have been in the last

one wouldn't you uh oh yeah there's there's a bunch of guys who like when we're talking about steven stamkos in the hall of fame i don't think he'll ever have an olympic appearance this year you don't think he's gonna make the team this year he'll make the team this year you think i think he's gonna make the team the donuts on that oh is that a donut are you are you i don't know i don't know if you believe the other side no i need to do more research yeah because i don't know don't he's been really good that's like a donut lock there i think yeah yeah i think what he had 12 points in nine games or something like that yeah but you told me he's dog shits it's also the thing you just said hey stamkos has missed so many olympics the guys the

old hockey guys are an old hockey guy hit and put in the guy who's missed a bunch of olympics and they owe also he rises to the moment he played five shifts in the stand like a final and scored so man he should have been on the 2010 team yes he should as a kid yeah i i i keep saying it's the best commercial that never saw the light of day was the nike commercial for if he made that team and then he broke his leg before sochi no nhl players went in 2018 now it's 2022 this has to be it if he doesn't make this team that's it yeah next one or or he surprises us all and goes huh i'm steven stamkos and he's just a hard grizzled i'm steven stay i love following players as they get older from the beginning because i'm steven stamkos and now he's like i'm i'm steven

mankos i'm a man yeah i i saw him like the summer he put on all that weight like his first gary roberts summer and i was like holy holy scary man i think what was he he was dead lifting i think i saw six or seven hundred pounds is that what i am i right on that i believe it was crazy that doesn't sound free i know it doesn't sound real let me let me look it up let me like steven stamkos deadlift what was it 500 pounds on a trap bar damn i got up to 250 at my best wow and you got to watch him do it because he does it in like street clothes and a hat backwards

doesn't break a sweat either that's a good captain I love Stamkos that is a Gary Roberts video from 2013 Gary Roberts has his own YouTube channel his own network of got his own network of workout podcasts

Gary Roberts podcast network he just stares at a microphone menacingly it's not the best listen but you understand do you think that we could have him on sometime probably i'd love to talk to him about so like carrie what do you do tell me what you do to these kids to scare them into eating properly and working out that hard why'd you try to fight an alumni game yeah what's wrong let's put him and drapes together in the same uh um uh really quickly before we get into our announcement here adam fox big long contract special defensive

player i don't think there's been a defenseman in the rangers organization this impactful since brian leach i think that's fair some might argue ryan mcdonough but even even this guy was run make was mcdonough a norris guy though was gonna win a norris trophy brian leach was spectacular special yeah i don't even a hall of famer the oh that's a good question who knows by the end of it But the only guy who enters the conversation other than Leach, I think. McDonough. And in terms of popularity, I don't know if I've seen a Rangers player outside of Henrik ever this popular besides Henrik and then before that, Brian Leach and maybe Mark Messier.

I was about to say. You know, like, but like, think about that. You ever heard of Gretzky? Yeah, yeah. But, but, you know, you know what I'm saying? So there's all of that. So congratulations to Adam Fox. Congrats even more to Rangers fans who were super pumped.

Now, Jesse, before we do that, I want to do a hockey thing that I saw in the NHL media email that I get sent out every day. Okay. It regards Phil Kessel, so I think we need to bring it up. Okay. The Coyotes and Flyers game featured four of NHL's top seven active Ironman streaks among players with one minimum game, including Keith Yandel, who's played 930 games played, and Phil Kessel, 910 games played, who owns the longest active run. I think we owe Phil Kessel a round of applause. Yes, we do.

Oh, yeah. 910 games. Unbelievable. Phil Kessel, Toronto legend. Thank you. Congratulations, Philbert. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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Yeah. I retweeted it. Yeah, that was great. Oh, my God. That was funny. Okay, so, Jesse. Yes. I'm turning it over to you because it's a Jesse announcement from the SDPN.

well um our announcement is that we have come out with our own app it is the sdpn app you can download it right now in the oh yeah i don't know if the camera can see that it can you can download it right now in the app store and the google play store so i don't know a little backstory before we get into it uh one if you're a small business out there there's the technology and the internet is so amazing because there's so many companies that'll help you uh act like a big company like so this app is made through a company called build fire and they allow small businesses to build these apps that are um they're pretty great like i'm pretty happy with the way the app came out and like everything we did on on their platform

to build this app and like if you're a small business like go go research some of these tools that exist for you online that allow you to do these things like have an app for your company and like we can store all our videos there and and there's news i'll get into that but yeah so so research do some research because the internet's amazing and then secondly the reason behind the app is so that um everything's better for you listening the user experience because one thing we've we've had a problem with is that uh the youtube channel isn't the best place to consume more videos because we upload so much we do all our full episodes and then we do a whole bunch of clips and then we go live and so during the summer like when this was all happening i thought i was

gonna have this ready for like the uh the start of the season it was supposed to launch with cj it was supposed to launch with cj and amazon and all that and then i started building it and i'm like it's just so difficult to do this so i need a couple more weeks and it turned out to be like a month and a half so we're finally here but like the user experience for you guys watching because we're launching so many shows we have uh four right now four ish if you have depending on how you're counting if you count game over five five shows we have five shows and then um but like you can't subscribe to notifications on a youtube channel because you'll be bombarded all the time so we most people turn off the notifications when you subscribe you also don't have to turn it off

you can always leave it on yeah you can leave it on too yeah but so now with the app all of our shows are in one place audio and the video and if you want to subscribe to each individual show you can and it's set up through um our rss feeds on the podcast so if you listen to agent provocateur once somebody uploads the audio and they the episode is live it just pumps it out right through the app and you get a notification to your phone that there's a new episode for that show. If the Steve Dango podcast, once we upload today's podcast, it just bloops to the app and it tells you, hey, it'll beep to your phone. There's a new podcast, Steve Dango podcast. It bloops and it beeps.

It bloops and it bleeps. So it's not me sitting there bugging you with notifications to your phone. It's just automatically when the show goes up, you get a notification. And then now you can see all of our shows and whichever shows you like, because we're going to be adding so many more eventually down the line. Now there's a place where they can all live. And yeah, so the whole point of the app is for the user experience and on the app there's you find all the shows plus there is a news feed so on the news feed i've created an aggregate of the top stories from each major sport so it's not we don't create our own news we don't have we don't have writers yet we don't have writers yet it's a it's down the line but so right now on our app you can find

news from around the sporting world from every major internet outlet if you want to go to hockey news you'll find all of the major hockey outlets and they're just aggregated we don't control it just comes up as they're posted on these different sites you can find one location on our app uh i'm looking at here hockey basketball football baseball soccer golf tennis and motorsport and mma yes and that and that includes like it's not just nhl content the hockey news is hockey from the women's side and hockey from the men's side it's just hockey news same with the basketball same with all same with tennis and golf and all the other news we provide there so we have a news channel there as well plus we launched this new cool thing it's called sdpn radio and it's our archive

of shows because we've the show the podcast is eight years old we have a lot of shows yeah so i threw them all into a radio player and now all of our shows just play on loop 24 7 and you can tune in live and you don't know what you're getting you i don't know what's coming up next it's on shuffle so it's just all of our shows it's a live radio feed and if you want to tune in you can you can just listen to whatever episodes playing at the time it's a really cool thing because i was going through some of the old episodes and like in there is our at the end of 2019 we did a whole bunch of predictions and best ofs and i can't wait for those to pop up for people who are listening because like you'll see what we thought of what's going to happen in the next

decade or like our look back of that year of the leafs and uh i picked a lot of our like highlight episodes that a lot of people haven't heard so um just like a lot of the long-running bits like the smart insider man episode is plugged in there a couple times so it'll come more often in the feed oh that's cool yeah yeah so people who don't know the inside jokes that have taken place for five years just tune into sbn radio you might hear a good little uh bit from five years ago and it might you might enjoy it so yeah you can tune that in anytime and it works just like you're playing music from your phone so you can close the app and you'll get the radio playing plus i'm hoping in the next month or so when game over goes live on youtube it will also go to

sdp on radio so if the youtube is a little limiting when you are if it's on your phone because unless you have youtube premium you can't close the app and do other things right so i'd love the audio feed to be live streamed to sdp on radio so look out for that in the next month or so i'm gonna get andrew set up on that so that'll blast right through to our radio and then it's just like we're this is terrestrial radio you know it's through the internet and if you want to listen to game over after a montreal canadians game you can tune into our radio station you can get a post game so that'll be coming in the next few that'll be coming in the next few months that's a new feature and then the last thing about the app so we have the uh all of our content radio

we have the news and then we have a new shop so we have stpn shop.ca.store what's there is that actually what it is no it's not.store stpn shop.ca we launched a brand new shop today a whole bunch of new merch for the first time ever we have a whole cj show collection we have a game over we have a new game over logo i'm gonna change the album art too because i love this little guy we uh i i got a did a little clip art thingy with him so we have a new game over uh logo with a little game over alien yeah i love him he's so you need to name him yeah you know what we should have a competition to name him yeah we can do it on our discord yeah it's a great idea so we have some game over merch we have some new sdpn merch um for our live stream and like for the podcast

new dang we have a new dangle navy alt logo so we have a new crest we have a cj hoodie that just says coberg yeah so and it's cj with coberg in the background yeah so we have uh we have official cj coberg merch and then and then so good and obviously um julian calls him big money cj so there's a bitcoin labeled big money cj love that uh thing with julian and cj's face on it which i love love love oh my god it's so good like so ridiculous

oh my god Jesse that's okay yeah so anybody watching you can see it right now go to sdp and shop.ca you can see all of our new merch there and the whole CJ collection yeah so that's our that's our Coburg

hoodie yeah that hoodie I want that hoodie too yo straight up this summer we're gonna have cj do like a top five special episode of places to go in coburg and i'm gonna make julian do it in montreal julian and andrew can do it in montreal and as we add more people across the country we'll have everybody do it because i think we need to have things like that in the summer where it's like hey come see my city and having him do coburg would be perfect i like the stick tap shirt too yeah coburg mug yeah the the coburg mug and the coburg tote are

my favorite you know because it feels so um kitschy you know you go into a i envisioned it like you went into a gift shop in coburg 100 there's a there's a tote bag with cj on it that's what i envisioned this this merch to be so yeah we can get that on our site sdbn shop i'm gonna get some jesse pants i also want to get a julian baseball t-shirt yeah we got a little julian julian's face um and like there's just so much happening here that's very exciting and um you know it's it's kind of fun the the great stuff the great thing is like the the actual track pants the ones that i bought that say dangle navy on them i those are the only track pants i wear now i have roots ones i have other ones uh and it's because they're champion and i don't get

too hot in them but just hot enough to keep the old leggies warm um and uh you know it's just it i don't know i i was like gonna go to the store and like buy hoodies and stuff like that and i'm like why would i go to the store i'll just we have we make some really good yeah yeah we do we do it's great and there is an adams history corner long sleeve shirt and i just want to throw that out there so if you feel like and it comes in black heather navy maroon red heather deep teal athletic heather white if your name is heather this is the shirt i like your mug your mug is a good which one is that uh so you go to the mugs and bottle section the one with your face on it the big one of you smiling you like that one that's a good mug oh that oh that fits there's

some good stuff and and actually i really like the uh the uh the other thing i love is the phone accessories that the crab people sdpn phones there's socks i'm wearing those computer stickers there's actually a framed poster um yeah the sdpn uh i'm gonna get the phone case too need to get the phone case you get the phone case mrs dangle has one yeah i guess i need one this is the one that came with my she has the 90s logo phone case yeah yeah yeah that's a good one yeah oh yeah you see all the purchases too i got them beeped to my phone that's right so so anyway it's right yes yes yes how impressive is jesse extremely impressive well we're not done i don't want to focus on that oh i would like to no let's do you want to do the website yeah do the website

okay you haven't even done that yet because we haven't done that yet that's that's the last thing was uh i updated the site a bit so now the site's kind of like it's a destination you can do stuff on the site you can get all our news um on the home page we got a little ticker of just the new content from all of our shows it uh it's all right there so you can find it whenever there's a new episode plus links to the app links to our twitch um to get all your shows you can watch it right from our site um and then yeah we got a couple teasers on there if you go check out if you're watching the video right now you'll see uh the teasers for the upcoming shows that might be coming up but if you are listening go visit the site and you get an exclusive thing there

plus please subscribe to our email list we send out uh discount codes and uh you get the information before everyone else i'm getting there steve's pointing at something you get your i didn't know we had those yet you get the information before anyone else if you're on our email list so please subscribe and then the last thing i will hit on if you guys will let me uh is when you go to sdpn.ca slash donate we have a new thing there we have uh three trading

cards it's the first edition of these trading cards oh now if you steve is raising money for easter seals ontario correct rachel's raiders if you make a hundred dollar donation to easter seals ontario through our site so you go to our site you go to sdpn.ca slash

donate you purchase a trading card the trading card is a hundred dollars so the hundred dollars goes directly to easter seal that's it it's gone we don't make money off actually we lose money off of this but then but just know that the money is going to the right place yes so uh you make a hundred dollar donation to easter seals by purchasing one of our trading cards or all three or whatever you want and you will get a trade i'll in the next three weeks they ship in three weeks um i will send off a trading card to your house it'll be in a little a nice little case and steve

adam and myself will sign it it'll be a signed trading card or if you just want uh the whichever one of us to sign our own okay how about that you we only get to sign our own trading cards or do you want the whole team to sign each one that's a tough one well because that's that's a lot it's a lot of signatures for one card right yeah so each of so whichever one you you uh you purchase that person will write a little message on the back and sign it and then we'll ship that off to you you are a smelly bum that's our thank you for donating to easter deals if you make a hundred dollar donation you get a free trading card and that's the last thing okay now can i say you're so impressive you're so impressive well done buddy well thank you

we are all impressive we all have our own talents and this is the talent i bring to the table of our company i get to do these things and i get them set up and then they run i would like to point out something that we haven't done yet we haven't looked there is a list of if you go to the sdpn.ca homepage there is a list of shows that we have Steve Dangle podcast and that shows Steve Dangle's channel as well because I don't know if you know Steve Dangle

kind of a big part of what we're doing here I'm new here Chris Johnson show game over Montreal agent provocateur and then it says black tile there's like a black tile that's empty no show logo launching next month and then there's another one that says game over blank and it's also got a black tile

and then there's one that's coming in the spring and it spring it also has a black tile which means jesse is putting me back to work again sorry five or not enough sorry can i ask a question sure we have a show launching next month yep yep do i know what show it is yep not right oh that one you do actually know does he know yeah he knows yeah you should oh oh i didn't know that yeah i didn't hey cool dope dope dope anyway so the expect more teasers on our site like this the black tiles will fill out with album art yes and there'll be more than even those just so you know but uh that is the foreseeable future there's lots to do and we just

want to say while we have you thank you thank you for the support congratulations again to robert for joining the team there is so much more to do here we know like there's we're getting content suggestions in our inboxes every day and i really appreciate them because some of them are really great ideas our show with bill daly and gary betman is dropping next month it's called robo bets um you came up with that very fast robo robo bet is that actually one of the tiles bill bought and robo betman um long story short we we just we could not do this without you this does not exist without you thank you for the support alan walsh debuted at number four in the country number one number one he did debut in a screenshot he sent he's at four but it says

you know it says like last week's performance yeah it's a one so so he just he just caught it when it was at four but it was at one previously wow so okay so alan alan debuted at number one yeah i didn't even notice that's insane that's so great that's two shows that have debuted at number one good for promoting his players not so much himself debuting at number one is is is no a small feat we've now had cj and uh and alan do that really really happy for cj and julian and obviously for alan as well uh check out all those episodes on the youtube channel or you know spotify apple music we're even on amazon uh somebody was like hey how come you guys aren't on amazon jesse's like a good question and then he put us on there so um thank you so much for

for everything we will be back on uh friday what day is it it's wednesday okay and at that point We're going to have another CJ and Julian podcast. You should check out theirs because it directly happened after the Bettman press conference. So you're going to get the raw unfiltered Julian and Chris take on that and they'll have another show tomorrow and we'll have another one Friday and we love you and we'll talk to you soon.