The Steve Dangle Podcast - George | December 8, 2018

Episode Date: December 9, 2018

On this episode, George Foreman (00:00), the Leafs lose to the Red Wings in OT & Sparksy talk (06:00), who's making the playoffs, the Sabres, Bruins, or Canadiens? (20:30), the most awkward broadcasting moment you will ever hear (44:00), Adam has to call out hockey Twitter (49:00), Tom Wilson & Ryan Reeves (1:04:00), the Blackhawks are terrible (1:17:00), Phil Kessel trade talk?!? (1:24:00), the Kings are terrible (1:28:00), and the press conference: Steve went to Sick Kids Hospital with the Leafs! (1:39:00). Originally aired: December 8, 2018 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/8sj08jqv19g Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Weiss. We need to talk about George Foreman. Now the reason we brought up George Foreman, I'm not really certain why it came up. But I'm like, we need to be having this conversation on the air because... It was because you told me to name my child Jessica. And then I said, I'd be George. Jessica and Jesse Jr.

I'd be George Foreman. And we were like, what? And Jesse was like, well, this is interesting. How many of George Foreman's kids are WHL draft eligible? That's what I want to know. We'll find out very soon. Imagine they were all on the same team. So when you Google George Foreman's children, you get George, Georgetta, George Foreman Jr.

Wait, wait. George Foreman III. No, no, no, no. George Foreman IV. George Foreman V. but it's not it's not different generations as adam pointed out it's just his children i'm that he all named george i'm less stuck on that first of all that's wrong but at least i get it you can't be george foreman have a child named george foreman and have another child named

george foreman jr why not because well i guess because you could call him jr you know one of them's george one of them's junior and one of them's the third yes and the fourth and the fifth so that's the thing okay if you're the fourth george it should be the generation after the third george you don't get to have you don't get to claim three georges there's also a six so george edward okay they just got lazy he's got 11 kids right uh let's count them up uh one two three four five six seven eight nine oh nine kids yes so over 40 percent of his kids are just named george george foreman george foreman two george foreman two the lost levels george foreman three like what the hell now to be fair he did throw in a frida george so i assume she's frida george

foreman she's free to free jay call herself frida instead of george something and natalia natalie natalie oh there's a natalie but is it like natalie hyphen george it is not now george come here and you got an f on your assignment natalie george aliola oh and amici so there are one i like michi i think it's a good name two three three of his children aren't named some version of george so it took six kids seven kids for him to crack yeah yes it sounds like yeah all right at this point just start naming them after the various grill numbers so like the george form is x1 that's george form an x2 here's the thing about him being reckless with those names who's gonna to stop him? Who's going to tell him it's a bad idea?

What I'm more convinced about just having in the situation I'm in is I have almost zero control over the name of our child. I already know that. Caprice had a names list before she met me. The names were more important than the person she was having the kid with. I hope it's twins and I can't wait to

meet Panago and Caprice on. Can't wait. That sounds like a delicious summer meal. Or maybe a Saturday night meal. You know. I hope you do have twins. Oh, we don't. We don't We saw the ultrasound

We only have one There's only one Yeah there was only one in there We probably What if there's one Who's like Yeah Everyone took to it

Would have been hard I think But I mean There's room Maybe Maybe I heard it's spacious in there It is right now

It is right now The kid was like Doing flips and stuff I'm not kidding Like a two bedroom apartment Yeah I'm just imagining Ridiculous scenarios

Where one baby Pops out from behind The other with a gun Like stick him up This is a robbery whoa where did you come from the coffee's really good uh anyway uh so i just i'm i'm i'm a little bit shocked and a little bit impressed by george's ability to negotiate something like that like imagine you've got two georges already and you're negotiating with your wife for the third george

like that's that's impressive and then you get up to six it explains why he was able to have such a successful business career the man is very clearly persuasive here's how the conversation went what are you gonna name him george foreman yes no i think no there was a miscommunication on the punctuation there no no that's perfect does your opinion on george foreman's negotiation skills change when i tell you that he's been divorced four times and he has married a fifth wife how'd he do in the divorces for talking negotiation we need to know maybe it's easier to convince your next wife about the George thing

when you've already like when you divorced the last one and you're like well she didn't like the name George which I don't know

I don't know what you do which kids are with which kids are with who because I want to know if one wife was like I'm putting my foot down no variations of George I bet that's the last three

is it the last three that have different names Natalie, Michi no no they're all kind of scattered oh yeah yeah

interesting this is the most ridiculous thing so you want something And other than Kneelander talk, do you? Got your wish. Do you want to hear the nicknames for his children? So George Jr. is just George Jr.

George III is Monk. George IV is Big Wheel. George V is Red. And George VI is Little Joey. So we got Monk, Big Wheel, Red, and Little Joey. Go off, George. Do you, George? Whatever.

He's a world champion. Yeah, world champ. What are you going to say? Nothing. He's a world champ. Championship names. That's what he does. Championship grills.

Burns that fat. You know what? George, we're sorry for grilling you. Oh. Wow. We really came at him with the heat from both sides. What? See?

That was good. Thank you. Thank you. Gave him the press. We just thought that your name choices were a little curious. Oh. Curious George. It's not as good.

Oh, okay. That is good. That is good. Thanks, Jason. You know what's great? When you call a joke clever and don't laugh. It was very clever, Steve. Good on you.

You kind of slipped on the banana peel on the end of there. Wow. Wow. There you go. Well done, everyone. Well done. William Nylander makes a return against Detroit. Dom LeCision gave Detroit, like, 26% chance of winning the game, and they did.

uh however it's such a listen i don't know how much i believe in the trap game thing it was written in the stars they were going to lose that game everyone knows this right has to be uh they have to lose the leafs have to lose that game so like man i've really tried this whole positive thinking thing with the leafs and try not to gloom and doom them like i have in years past that was written in the stars that was yeah i'm surprised they forced overtime well i I mean, it was a great comeback, but I think we should start with the fact that William Nylander actually played a game, so we can talk about him on the ice. And I know he didn't even get a practice in beforehand because the team bus broke down

on its way to Detroit. That's crazy. Yeah. But, I mean, given that the guy hasn't played. The bus is way home from Buffalo. Oh, okay. Given that he hasn't practiced with the team, I was pretty impressed. Yeah, I mean, he was sloppy a little bit, but the skills are there.

You saw the skills were there. The wheels were there. the handles were there. There was one play where he fell down in his own end. I'm like, oh, Willie with the rust. And then, oh, man, I can't remember who tweeted it out today, but they're like, what is Gardner doing here? I think it might have been Gus Katsaros, and I'm like,

what is Gardner doing there? That's an ever-present question. Yeah, and Willie, out of the five goals that were scored against the Leafs in this game, Willie was on the ice for zero of them. None, not a one. so I don't think he was a liability he also didn't play a whole ton he was a bigger threat

than he was a liability all in all considering he had zero practices and I know there were some people that and I think this is a fair take I disagree with it but some people are like well listen if he's not ready don't play him

my thought is always listen if you're fighting for the playoff spot let's say you're Montreal or you're Boston right now and you literally cannot afford to lose a game Because it will put you out of a playoff spot That is one thing I think with the Leafs It's kind of like

Alright We're in a good spot We're third in the NHL Yes the race is tight But let's be honest here We're going to be fine We think And why wouldn't we

If it puts us at a If it puts us at a bit of a disadvantage For the next five games To have William Nylander playing So that he can get up to speed faster Then I'd rather do that Because there's nothing The Leafs really don't have a heck of a lot to lose

he wasn't the problem well no of course he wasn't he wasn't the problem at all it's just like you know he didn't play a shift in the last 10 minutes of the third right yeah like final 11 or something like that and that's one where like what do you guys practice three on three throw him out there mike come on like if anything that's what he'd be best at he hasn't been practicing with anyone so put him out there when there's as few players on the ice as possible totally you've been working on your skating in austria or whatever let's see it um but that whole argument i think is just it's one giant straw man like putting yourself at a disadvantage or this that uh he wasn't part of the problem against detroit he wasn't why they lost they were not very good against detroit and

they have a lot of skill so even if you're not playing him they still have a ton of skill and a ton more skill than detroit did they just they didn't show up you didn't start lose to detroit period if you're in the leafs position you can't lose to detroit if they're playing their backup and you can't lose to detroit if they don't have bertuzzi and mantha in the lineup and mantha does really well against the leafs so disappointed written in the stars man written in the stars if if it's a can't lose game that one's in jeopardy now i wonder partially too and we've talked about this before sometimes i mean every team has stinkers every single team has stinkers yes and the Leafs have had, like, none.

Yeah. Well, except for Ottawa and Chicago. Yeah. But I think that, again, you know what? It's good when those games happen. I mean, there's a couple things. I walked away from this game with a couple things. First thing is, it's nice to be reminded

that the bad teams are still pretty good. Oh, dude. That's great. Especially this year. You can't sleep on a single damn team. And they are a young enough team that they will still do that. I think when you get over, when you get into the 25, 26, 27 year old age range, that sort

of, um, I mean, I'm going to call it immaturity, but I don't know if there's a better word for it, whatever it is, that learning experience has happened already, right? You've had that experience. You know what that's like, you know, that you can't take any team really that lightly in the NHL, unless they're the Sabres from a couple of years ago. Can I be arrogant for a sec? Sure. This year, a win like that is Detroit's Stanley cup.

like like in a season like this yeah i mean it's one of the right spots i think that's a little much they're not gonna win a ton of games they were up for this one yeah they felt good they were sure and and all the odds were stacked against them they did it all of them and they won anyway and good and that and that's great i think that this is a great game for mike babcock because it shows what he always has to say which is you got to get up for everybody and people are targeting you not only are they playing the toronto maple leafs that are a good team they're playing the Toronto Maple Leafs that are always like a national game and a lot of eyeballs on it a lot of

guys from Southern Ontario they're going to get up for that game and I think that the Leafs have to kind of understand that and it's not I don't make too much of it but I definitely think that that's great the other thing that I loved was that they came back and they came back with in a roaring back that wasn't even it was like no we're going

to come back it's happening whether Detroit likes it or not and I love that because that's the that's the kill switch turn it on you know overtime's a crapshoot there are going to be games where you lose but they came back totally but they came back with what a chicken shit goal

sorry is my point and it was like alright no we're going to take over and the fact that they're learning how to do that they talk about finding a way to win with good teams and what that means is even when you have a shitty game you come back and you win and at least you know

they weren't able to close it out on this one they had their chances Tavares made I have to be honest He was great all game He made a bad move In overtime Bad move Okay well They still got a point

Yeah I'm not even mad At John Tavares They don't deserve it at all Yeah They didn't deserve it at all Except that maybe they did Because they came back

I mean you can't say That a team doesn't deserve it When they come back From three goals down And should Sparks Have had two of those goals At least one The third goal

Was particularly bad How And the first one The first one Where it's kind of At the bad angle But he He was

screened but he was looking around and i thought he could see it and generally speaking if you see it you should be able to stop it he didn't have a great game it's why does it always have to be a discussion of should sparks be on the team or shouldn't he every freaking game every win is a victory told you so i told us so and every loss is a man someone was like man he was in the ECHL. Goalies go to the ECHL all the time, and that was like two, three years ago. What are you talking about? Also, I just want to throw this out

there. Last year, when Mack was backing him up, it was, is this Mack's last game in the NHL? That was literally NHL. That's what people were saying. Oh, you know, Mack's been really good since they picked him up for nothing, but it's going to fall apart tonight. This is the night. And that's, it's just, it's a mentality thing. It's a Leafs thing.

People need to understand what a unicorn Curtis McElhinney is right now. He said, this does not happen. The Leafs played the odds, and they won. Do the Leafs have two extra wins? Wait, one? You think they lost? No, they lost.

Oh, well, they won picking them up, I mean. Well, they won. Yeah, they won picking them up for free. Yeah, they lost it. Yeah, sure. Yeah, absolutely. He's a starter in Carolina. There's no question.

But over the long term, which we haven't seen yet because it's been like eight weeks since they lost them, you know, is that going to be the right choice? Remains to be seen. It's a little bit like the Willie conversation. the the conversation with sparks uh from the beginning had nothing to do with this year it's about the like mackinty you're losing him you're just gonna lose him would you rather have lost sparks and pickard now remember a lot of you just screamed yes and you're saying that now but at the time it would have been a dumb move you would have been losing two goalies in their

mid-20s one of them was the ahl goalie of the year and another was like still top 10 in the league they were both ready for their deserving shot and McElhinney you was basically at the height of his value in his entire career in his mid-30s like and they still think that it it always has to be a discussion of should or shouldn't they be on the team let your backup goalie be the freaking backup look at look at how the Leafs just just toyed with Detroit in the third This loss was not Spark's fault And he was bad

Can both things be true? Sure I think yeah And I don't think it means That he's not an NHL goaltender Hey I mean But I'll admit to being

One of the guys Who's unconvinced Can I just Oh Me neither Unconvinced Me neither But I don't need that

I think we need to look at that As a end of the season How did he do? I don't think He's played What was that? Game six? Yeah

Like I don't think Yeah he's 4-1-1 or something Was McElhinney's first no Anderson's first night off that didn't involve an injury or the second half of a back to back I think since he was a duck that's bonkers that's absolutely insane or it might have been the first time since Jonas Enroth yeah yeah maybe maybe remember that wow Enroth had to come in and relief one game because Anderson got kicked out because he fought Ryan Miller in the Canucks brawl.

I don't know if Anderson has ever had a day of rest as a Leaf. It's bizarre. Became a Leaf in 2016, man. Yeah. It's been a while. I just don't think that we need to go game to game deciding whether Garrett Sparks is an NHL goaler or not. He will tell you by the end of the season.

Buried the hatchet with him. Oh, you did? I did. So we were at... By the way, give us the context first. Tell us the backstory. Yeah. So, well, I guess there was no hatchet ever, really.

I'd spoken to him. I think it was a you hatchet. It was a me. You hatcheted the relationship. Oh, I made it. Yeah. And you hatcheted it closed. You hatcheted your own head.

Everyone I told that story to, looking for reassurance, they're like, oh, it couldn't have been that bad. What happened? They went, oh. So basically, this was a couple years ago, and Sparks, everything was pointing towards Sparks being done with the organization. I wasn't saying he was a terrible goalie. I just thought he was going to be done with the organization thought he was going to get traded

the Leafs might have just gotten pickered I don't remember um and it just looked like Sparks had been leapfrogged so I meant to text someone hey do you think Sparks uh hey do you think Sparks is done with the Leafs I do and I sent it to friggin Garrett Sparks who I had interviewed in the past awful everyone's worst nightmare and I did it with the Leafs goalie Then we all know what happened next He became the AHL goalie of the year Won the Calder Cup And now he's the Leafs backup again

Are you the motivation maybe? Yeah Perhaps Maybe they did it all to prove Steve Dangle wrong And I'd never been in the room with the guy since that This is so great And then we were at Sick Kids together We can maybe talk about that a little later

I definitely want to talk about that And we had to brush by each other And we locked eyes and knew each other were there And I'm like, I don't know, I'll see if his number still works. And it was basically like, hey, man, so sorry about that. Still have nightmares over it. My bad. And he told me, no worries, dude.

Doesn't bother me. And that was good enough for me. Well, he is a Toronto Maple Leaf. So whether it did or not, it can't bother him anymore. He made it. My words should mean less than his reality. Yeah, true. True that.

Absolutely. My words of the past should mean less than his actions of the present. Did that conversation make your book, by the way? Did the Garrett Sparks thing make it? I don't think so. Hey, thanks, Adam. By the way, did you know that you're sitting next to my book? Wow.

This is the book. What is your book called, Steve? This team is ruining my life. Where can people pre-order your book? Indigo. Online. Indigo.ca, I think, or Indigo.com. Or any place they sell books.

And any place they sell books. pod catcher is that how i do it is that what no yeah it's on indigo um you can pre-order the paperback no there's not gonna be a hardcover i'm sorry they also have the ebook available for pre-order that's only like 10 bucks and uh there's gonna be an audiobook we're gonna record in january question hardcovers on books yes what's the difference uh i don't know i mean It looks nicer. I get that. That's the only thing I would say.

But like paperback, to me, it's like, well, the information's the same. Why does everybody want the hardcover? Just because it looks nicer? Paperback's cheaper. Why? Packaging? Yeah, probably. It's cheaper to make.

Materials, right? Paperback. I don't know. You're asking the wrong question. Hardcover books are more book-y. You know, it feels more like a book when you've got a hardcover book. You could fend off a home intruder with it. Here's the problem with the book, is when you read the book, then it sits on a shelf

for years which is why i download audiobooks and i listen to them because i am not interested in having stuff in my house sitting on the shelf for years you get the audiobook you get the yakub kindle oh i'm getting it i'm getting the audiobook for sure i'm getting the it's gonna be great just tell them tell them you did it for me yeah i did it because i know adam wouldn't have read this book otherwise that's who i dedicated the book to um sabers can we talk about the Sabres? Yeah. Man, when was

our last show? I don't even know. Was it Tuesday during the day? I think it was. I just want to say about that game because I know

it's been overly talked about and broken down in its ancient history. Sure was great to have a Sabres-Leafs game that was that close. That was awesome.

Awesome. So much fun. Yeah, and stuff has come out recently because everyone was like the rivalry is back! And a lot of analytics people came back

and said no! Because apparently the Sabres aren't all that good. Well, they get one line. Here's the thing. The Sabres are making the playoffs this year.

That's a line. The Sabres are 100% making the playoffs. You don't win 10 games in a row and miss the playoffs. It just doesn't happen. Even if they regress. Weren't they the first ever team? Two years ago. It's going to be...

It's going to be... They would have to... Even if they regress, I think they're going to make it. Even if it's a wild card. Well, who's going to pass? Maybe Boston? Boston maybe passes them. But, like, even in, like, I know Montreal's been doing great and stuff, too, but, like, eh. What's Friedman's American Thanksgiving stat?

Oh, it's something like 77% of teams in a playoff spot at American Thanksgiving end up making the playoffs. Are in. Yeah, and I think. And if you're four points out, it's, like, only, like, less than 10%. Yeah, yeah. So, I think. I think the Sabres are fine. The Sabres are in a pretty good position. Am I a believer in this?

They're the top five team in the league. If the Sabres are going to go, do I think the Sabres are going to go deep in the playoffs? I'm not convinced of that yet. They seem to have a one-line, a real one-line scoring punch. Why did the Leafs have to be in the Atlantic? But who cares? So ridiculous. Oh, well.

You know what I like about it? I think everybody looks at it negatively. Well, there's no easy path to the Stanley Cup. Right. Get it out of your head. I guess it's just, it's like, yeah, like the thing about the postseason is you have to play all the hard teams. So if you've been playing all the hard teams all year long You're used to playing all the hard teams

And you're playing the same hard teams In the first two rounds anyway And you worry about like oh well is it going to take it all out of you Didn't take it out of the caps Didn't take it out of the caps If you're going to win the cup It's going to take it all out of you It's going to take everything

I just don't know that the excuses from this Or the complaints about this I don't get it Would you rather train with someone Who trains all the time or somebody that's never trained in their life? You want a good sparring partner to prepare for your fight. Absolutely. And Babcock was saying that.

You want to play good teams. I think their second last game of the season is against Tampa. Great. And you know Babcock's going to be all worked up for that. Was the Washington Capitals road to the Stanley Cup last year about as perfect as it gets for a fan? They haven't won the Cup, period. So they haven't won the Cup, period.

So they're starved. Yeah. First round Ridiculously improbable comeback Against the Blue Jackets Starting in game three Slay the Dragon against Pittsburgh Third round

You beat the favorite In the Lightning and that was a comeback too Yep When did they start that comeback? Was that game one or game two? Against Tampa? Yeah They were down Tampa had two chances to finish them

And Holtby I believe I believe got back-to-back shutouts, if I'm not mistaken. That's incredible. Yeah. And this was after, didn't Grubauer start the playoffs for the Cavs? Yes, he did. Yeah, the first. And it was actually because he was playing much better than Holpe,

and then as soon as they put Holpe in, they started to win. Holpe wasn't even their starter for all of last season. No. It's amazing. And then the Stanley Cup final against Vegas. Against the team that literally had all the magic. All of it. All of it.

Oh, God, it's the dream. That's great. I'm so jealous. I'm so jealous. Like, the Leafs, when they do the thing, I'll... Listen, I'm hungry. I won't say no to any meal you put in front of me. But if you give me the option, I would like to beat Boston.

Right. Which brings us to tonight. Yes. A team that, no matter what... Oh, my God, Adam. Were you aware that you coughed on the recent episode? You stupid... No.

Where is the cough button? I don't know this. Is Bergeron back tonight? No, I don't believe he is. McAvoy, I think, is. I don't think you get a true test. He's played two games already. I don't think you get a true test of the Bruins

until Bergeron's in the lineup. But this is a team that is still very good, that is definitely going through some adjustments, but they're not a bad team, and they will still probably finish top three in the Atlantic. I am wondering why this team has the Leafs number, and if the Leafs are worried, like it seemed earlier in the season that the Leafs were still

a bit intimidated by the Bruins. I think it's a little bit of a different story now. I think they've got a lot more confidence than they did the last time they played the Bruins. Can I just update on Bergeron? Sure. So in about two weeks they'll find out if he needs surgery on his shoulder slash collarbone. If surgery is required

Bergeron is likely done for the season. Wow. So there you go. That's enormous. Yeah. Why is that not the talk of the hockey world right now? That came out yesterday, December 7th. So, okay, so let's pretend now he's out for the season, okay?

And the Bruins fall out. They miss the playoffs. They miss the playoffs. That is huge news for the Leafs. The Leafs should also drop out of the playoffs because they need to beat Boston to do that. Yeah, exactly. We don't even want it anymore.

So it's huge news for the Leafs because it's a relief for them. It's huge news for the Sabres. Huge news for the Habs. Just going to say. The Habs might freaking make it if the Bruins don't. Dude, they might. Here's the thing. What we could be seeing this year,

we could be seeing a Leafs Montreal or a Leafs Buffalo first round series. Dude. Right? How great would that be? Oh, my God. With no offense to Buffalo, Just for the historical aspect Oh, I want Buffalo too

Anybody who want it can get it I want the Leafs to win a cup And I don't care who they play But I want the Leafs to play Montreal Yeah, that's pretty great First time since 79 Like, would you not want to go to the Bell Center And see that?

Oh, yeah Like, we'd have to go stay at Berkshire's house So we'll go sleep on his floor Do you think he's going to let us stay? He's going to remember he's a Habs fan And he's not going to want us within several kilometers of the place He'll let us stay And then when we get to his house

He'll just leave the door locked Like oh I'm sorry I forgot you were coming This weekend No but that whole thing About him not being A Habs fan You gotta

That's gonna die Pretty quickly The room is just Full of used diapers It's just gonna be Disgusting Hey Besides the standings

And playoff implications If the Bruins Fall out of The playoffs I'll throw this idea Out there again Chara He's on an expiring deal

The guy's gonna retire Is he on an expiring deal Can you check that I'm pretty sure he is Didn't he sign a two year extension I thought it was two years Isn't he 40 Yeah but you know Boston they're crazy

David Back is still He's still Zidane O'Chara He is well he's always gonna have Zidane O'Chara's reach He man that video of him Climbing the rope In the gym That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen Like no

Like a person climbing a rope Is not that amazing It just looks ridiculous Yeah Especially Because it's like a snake It's like he's just so long He's huge

Nagini He's like a boa He is on an expiring deal By the way Oh he is okay Five million dollar UFA At the end of the year He's also injured

He's on IR He is also injured yeah So I don't know when he's gonna be back And he plays the right side Does he not No Left Well he's left hand

Can't play the right side Can he not I mean Doesn't fucking matter No Doesn't Dude, the Bruins, the reason they were able to come back against the Leafs in 2013, that used to be a show-by-show occurrence.

Now it's only sometimes that we bring it up. He wasn't at the point. He was in front of the net. Dude, put him wherever the frig you want. You want a net front presence? You know what would be kind of fun is on that second unit, and you put him on with Nylander and with Janssen and Gardner. That'd be great.

It's just so funny to hear it. Did you see, they're calling Ottawa's Ben Harper, Sportsnet wrote the article on Ben Harper on the next Zidane O'Chara. He's like 6'7", but I'm like, guys, he's not. Pump the brakes. Hold on. Zidane O'Chara was like a first overall pick, man. Just maybe, maybe chill.

They're like, Ben Harper is up and coming, Zidane. I don't think he was. First or second. Yeah, he was close. I don't think he was. By the Islanders. When they were the Highlanders. That's right.

That's what I call them. I always say. If the Isles had just left it alone, I think they would have had. Zidane O'Chara was drafted in 1996, and he was drafted in the third round. Oh, okay. Sorry. By the New York Islanders. Well, he was traded for Yashin, so whatever.

He was the... You know, we always go, you know what? You shouldn't just draft the big guy because he's big. But that's very clearly what happened here, and it worked. Well, there's no rule about you can't draft the freakishly big guy. It's just the big guy. Like, Tyler Biggs was, what, 6'4"? He's big.

You've got to fight him now. I can't believe he's big. Freakishly big. He's offensive to my people. Us overly vertical Is how we like to be called And big headed Well that's all

That's all of our people That's my community We're all a part of the community We have the most skull per capita Of any podcast I made Jesse laugh today I can go home feeling happy I actually made him legitimately laugh

It is really hard You're like an inch taller Your chest goes up I did good You know, I don't think Boston falls out. I just think they're too experienced, and I think they're too good, and they still have Brad Marchand, and, I mean, Tuka Rask has been injured. Yeah, he's been out.

And that's why Halak's been in. Even with Alberson and Chara, you think they're still going to make the playoffs? Yeah, I do. Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. Interesting. It's sort of their thing. They're just one of those teams.

Some teams crumble, and other teams are cockroaches, and the Bruins are cockroaches. LA was that team for very long. And eventually they fall off And you know the difference between LA and Boston Is that LA over committed To guys who It's interesting

Boston fired Shirely when they made the playoffs LA did I think they fired Shirely right when they needed to And we made fun of it at the time But Mike Sweeney's come in and done a really great job Don Sweeney And Shirely has been Shirely And they didn't

And with no offense to Dean Lombardi He built two times Stanley Cup champion But when he, that season afterwards with the Mike Richards deal, with the Marion Gabrick extension, you're talking, oh, well, but he overcommitted. And avoidable mistakes. Yes, these are mistakes that get you fired. Yeah.

And, I mean, obviously LA made the playoffs last year. I think had Rob Blake and Luke Robitaille done anything in the last 18 months, if they moved anybody, tried anything at all, they might be making the playoffs this year. But because they didn't, this is what you get. Hitchcock is fully buying Shirely another year, isn't he? Yes. Actually, you know what's funny?

He fired Todd McClellan at the right time. Hitch to cock. Hitch to cock pecked. I saw an article. This is the Ken Hitchcock effect in Edmonton. Oh, God. I saw an article. Adam, sorry.

Can you please just inject it? I'm going to inject this article right into Steve's arm. By Mark Spector. Oh, yeah. And he referenced Corsi in reference to how great they've been under Ken Hitchcock. Because Corsi's been through the roof, don't you know? Wait, that's it? Well, that's all.

Oh, Adam, you tease. Spector referenced Corsi in a positive light. I love it. Come on. I love it. Was it in the context of, not that it's my thing, but... No, I don't think he did. I don't think he did.

He was kind of like, okay, like grudging respect, which is a big change. It is a big change for the Oilers I don't even know if Ken Hitchcock knows what course he is or cares No, he's a numbers guy Is he a numbers guy? He's of that generation that's like Nah, I don't care, good feeling Well, he's 66

So I doubt you can tell him much But he's made himself open For a guy that's supposed to be super intimidating He doesn't have the intimidating voice Ken Hitchcock, you heard him talk He's a little So what is it? It's action Yeah, it's gotta be something

action now the Oilers are still a very average team who have won a bunch of games recently do you believe there there should never be a scenario where the Oilers with Connor McDavid missed the playoffs I don't care if they're a good team or not like they should be able to be mediocre and make it in this division yeah I believe I mean I don't believe believe but I believe do you guys want to take a look at the uh numbers under hitchcock okay look at under mcclellan very improved record yeah under mcclellan nine ten and one under hitchcock five two pecked and one goals per game under mcclellan 2.85 under hitchcock just two like average like like oh goals that's confusing well i think goals against it saying 3.3 and then under

Hitchcock. Okay, well that's probably because they got blown out in one of their games. So on average, they're still being outscored. Is this graphic even right? Yeah, but they got blown out. That's probably why. Look at the save percentage. The save percentage. See, this is a way to go. Don't say look at the save percentage. Tell us what the save percentage is.

No, no, yeah, sorry. So the save percentage under McClellan was 8-9-1. The save percentage under Hitchcock so far has been 9-17. Now, you might go wait for that to regress. Either it is regressing now or that was the regression well there's something to because one thing people say about ken hitchcock is he's sort of able to turn goalies into gold jake allen man brian

elliott wasn't brian elliott under him in st louis yes he was he got him both of them he got himself a couple good contracts out of that with calgary and with philly i'm just i'm just saying and they're hitting more i'm just gonna say i love the sports that included hits yeah oh yeah 28.8 Yeah, it's versus 23. Get him. Lou Cheech. First line. Is Lou Cheech on the first line?

He better be. Get those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers. Hey, listen. I think, saying it right now, December 8th, Oilers make the playoffs. Sorry, a video started playing on my phone for something I want to bring up later. All right, Steve. I'm going to agree with that.

You don't agree with that? I'm going to take the no. I'm going to take the nay. Nay. Although I do kind of feel like that. I'm going to take the nay just to be different. Just to be different. I do think they are going to make that.

I'm sitting on the fence on this one. I'm going to say no. The Oilers do not make the playoffs. Screw the Oilers. Oilers, man. They're currently one point out as well. Yeah, no, they're totally making the playoffs. Let me, I want to see the Western Sanctuary.

Okay, so if the Oilers, who are one point out, so is Minnesota, and the first round, wait, wait a tick. 38. Oh, Nashville, Colorado, we need you to slow down, all right? We need you to slow down. I don't think Colorado's going to slow down. You know, it is not out of the question that we could have a first-round matchup

between the Oilers and Flames. Oh, wow. Yes, please. Yeah, that would be... All the hockey. Also, can we talk about how the Sharks are one point out of being out of the playoffs? what is going on maybe maybe the least expected is is that the most disappointing season

any team is having right now chicago i mean it's very disappointing but no one expected them to be that good the king's sort of in the same boat although they've been cataclysmic the blues are very confusing to me but the sharks were supposed to be the team the team and they're in the playoff so i won't grow them too hard you say under no circumstances should the oilers miss the playoffs with conor mcdavid under any circumstances should the sharks miss the playoff with eric carlson and brent burns that's ridiculous joel pavelski it's absurd and couture don't even name the forwards Don't name a single one. You have those two guys in your team.

Dude, you have those two guys. Timo Meier's having a great season. Like, man, I don't get it. I don't get it. Something is wrong in San Jose. Carlson does not resign there. I don't think so. I mean, it's December.

A lot can change, but there's just no way, right? We didn't mention Evander Kane. Big addition. if I were them I'd be calling I would be if they could afford it I don't know if they can

but I'd be calling LA about Kovalchuk just to see who's on IR right now ah IR hey Elliot

you want to take three weeks off and make a lot of money it's LA it's a fun place what a nightmare division okay so except for Calgary

who is rocking it they're not getting enough love for how well they're doing no because all we did was talk about the goaltending hiccup that they had

at the beginning of the season and then they've been kicking ass ever since. And Rittich has been incredible and Mike Smith has played his best five game stretch in a couple years. Except for the vlog

earlier this week. Except for that. 8-1-1 by the way. Four in a row. No, they won that. They won that game though. They won that. That was on ice serving.

Nine to six. That is the type of game that makes John Tortorella, like shortens his life. Because nine to six with John Tortorella. Alright. So we talked about his outfit

and you defended it vehemently. Well, because he did have he had a thing but then now he's starting to wear fleeces And I'm like, John Tortorella's losing his mind. Is he sick? No, man.

Why is he? He seems cold. He was wearing, like, odd layers. Now he's wearing. Maybe. I'm confused. Maybe he's dreaming a lot about Bobrovsky and Panarin leaving next year. And maybe it's chilling him to the bone.

I am confused about. There's so many. This is a weird. Is this a weird season? Yes. This is a weird season. Yes, already a weird season. There's a lot of strange things happening.

Also, I want to mention Budweiser's Sally season. So here's the deal We're going to make the contest A little bit different Because we've been doing The same thing for about a month And we think it'll be more fun I was talking with Bud Weiser

Leading into Christmas First name Bud Chris Chumas Last name Weiser Middle name George That's right Yeah George

Leading into Christmas What we want to do Is have you Send us your favorite celly Not one that you've created Just your team scores You love that celly You rewind it on your PVR

Or on your streaming device Your podcatcher Podcatcher And I And you send it to us Can I send in mine Sure To the Steve Dangle podcast

Yes but you have to use What Hashtag Sally season That's right SZN SZN What else do you have to do I have to tag

At Adam Wild That's Steve Dangle And that's Jesse Blake On Twitter Now Steve At Budweiser Canada Oh Jesse knows And by the way

I have seen a few people Tag at Steve Dangle Which I have done From time to time It is Steve underscore Dangle Because it was made in 1998 Yes, when I was 10. I got in early.

Got in real early. You know, I've got mad respect for people that have an underscore before they get to their first letter. Underscore whatever your name is. I'm like, ooh. You're late to the party, aren't you? They're making you wait. The Seattle hockey team, they're NHL Seattle underscore.

Because somebody already got it, right? Because somebody squatted on NHL Seattle. Yeah, see, that's smart, man. It's smart. Oh, okay. I got it. Jeff Merrick wants them to be the Seattle Sasquatch. No one's, I mean, they got Metropolitan that they can't even use.

They can't even use the Twitter because someone squatted on it. Sasquatch. I got one. The Seattle Sasquatch. I got one from HeyPeterScott. He DM'd me. This is why it's good to have your DMs open. I can't get back to all the DMs I get.

I get a ton of them. But I get more DMs. I get more DMs than I get at replies. Like, I get, like, loaded with DMs. But this one's a good one. That sounds like why you don't do that. Well, no, it's never, like, you were worried when I got Snapchat because you thought I would just get dick pics.

I did. You did? I guess people don't look at me. Can't wait to make some new friends on Snap. That's a penis. Are we still talking about Budweiser cellies? No, no, no, we're moving on to Seattle. I never got to send in my celly.

Oh, okay, well, basically, I mean, listen, here's the deal. But I want to send in my celly. I have it up. This is your shot at some Budweiser swag, maybe possibly including a Budweiser red light. But let's talk about Seattle's name for just a second. No, I don't get to send it myself. Send it in. No, I want to play for you guys.

Oh, I thought you were. Wait, you're doing. All right, Jesse's going to do this, and then we'll get back to Seattle. Okay, Jesse, show us. I want to send in the Matthews OT snipe, and then his celly. By the way, you're just submitting his celebration? That's what we're doing. Yeah.

That's the contest. Oh, I thought But you're not reenacting it or anything? No I don't know, I wasn't listening to him I'm just going to say, Jesse, thank God you're the producer of this show This is great This is the Sally I'm going to send

Just send in the clip of your favorite Sally I just retweeted a video Of a guy who was in the crowd that night And the video is on Very clearly a brand new iPhone Because my iPhone doesn't take videos like that And you see Kapanen come in and then you see Matthews come in and score

and it's like a clear shot at the net from probably five rows up. I need to see this. It is so unbelievable. Hang on, hang on. Don't let me forget about getting back to the Seattle thing because, hey, Peter Scott deserves a shout out for this amazingness. Give me one second and pull this up. We could just link to it.

Yeah, we could link to it. We'll link to it in the video here. Yeah. Let's get to Seattle. Well, just let me show you. I think you seeing it will sell it to people. Okay. It's that good. So hang on. Here he is. Hold on. Ready? Ready? Yeah, this is definitely a new phone.

This is better than my phone. Snipe! And the place goes wild, Adam, because it's just full of Leaf fans. You see? You see? Yeah, Adam, you see that's your name. Yeah. Wow, that's quite the phone you have there.

Sir or madam? Hey, Peter Scott, great pun alert. And it got my attention. I'm like, ah, great pun alert. Well, I will read this DM. And he says, Seattle should name the team the Manatees. since manatees are the cows of the ocean the team would be the seattle sea cattle how great is that peter scott peter scott he's my favorite dad well way to go his bio says

grandmas think i'm handsome proud supporter of dad jokes you nailed it see you got it peters are people um adam what did you want to get to next well i was hoping that we could talk about um there's one last thing with the least that i'd like to bring up okay because i have an underrated hockey twitter thing hit it do it we got time hit it okay it's not it's not even a thing it's an nhl thing all right well there was nwhl news so the buffalo buttes fired uh craig muni and rick ceiling from their coaching staff okay so rick ceiling i guess is also a play-by-play guy either for the Providence Bruins or

the Rochester Americans I'm not sure which just gonna get bad oh yeah so Jesse can you add audio yes just after even though we don't have the board okay so

this is a tweet from still up still office steel office I'm gonna say on Twitter this was the most awkward moment I've ever heard between a play-by-play guy and

his color analyst as Don Stevens didn't know yet that Rick ceiling had been relieved of his duties as coach of the buffalo buttes holy moly and then don just jumps right back into his play-by-play cadence so basically you play it okay just play it and jesse will insert it rick city tonight got his priorities straightened around he's here for this game instead of the uh normal friday night

practice with the buffalo buttes craig muni running the practice i assume you got a game tomorrow right uh the buttes do uh craig and i were relieved of our duties an hour before game time tonight no really i did not know that wow you told me to hang on to my chair and they fuck around behind the back can i just be honest that is not don stevens fault that is definitely craig ceiling's fault if you get yeah you should maybe mention that if you are broadcasting absolutely you mentioned that oh here there's another tweet i should add i have no doubt that Don Stevens must feel absolutely mortified about that exchange with Rick Sealing.

Just brutally awkward. Yeah, man. Yo, yo. Just from somebody who broadcasts with teammates all the time, that's called hanging them out to dry. Do not hang them out to dry unless it's hilarious. You know, if I got fired before we recorded today... You maybe would have mentioned that.

I would have mentioned it. I would have let you know. That's a rough one. One of the things I think people forget, and that's okay. i don't expect people to understand um you know a job that isn't theirs yeah but if you have like me and hockey players right well i mean like it'd be like me trying to to lecture somebody on on um you know how to how to plumb a basement like i don't know how to do that i don't know what the

hell you're doing um but one of the things that you have to do is is be open very open about your life because if you're having a bad day if steve's having a bad day if i'm having a bad day jesse's having a bad day jesse never has bad days uh but when guys like us who are emotional uh have bad days we usually have to say hey listen i'm having a bad day here's why let's not focus on it let's have some fun today but just so you know just in case we seem a little bit off right yeah and it's i have to be open yeah oh me too one time mrs dangle was like what's wrong and i sat there and thought about it and i was like the lady at the glasses store was rude and i realized i was in a bad mood that day and all day because she wasn't even rude she was just

ever so slightly less than polite right so if there's a major life thing that changes in your life whether or not you are very close with your co-host or not we happen to be very close but not every not every show is not every show even likes each other um you kind of have to you kind of have to tell people that and i know that's like an hour before game time tonight he was relieved that sucks but still man give your guy the heads up just say hey maybe don't mention that yeah that's sort of the thing but anyway it's best best to him hope he picks up another job uh coaching elsewhere because he clearly loves it and you know best to him the uh the oh really that made me physically uncomfortable oh what yeah you know what you know what to hold on to my chair and

it would have been great if don had said oh sorry but what's he gonna say right I'm sorry about that. I don't know. What do you do? Do you try to make a joke? Oh, so you got the night off then. What do you say? I don't know.

So I guess we can go for a beer after the game. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. That's rough. That's really rough. So your Friday opened up is what you're saying.

I am going to call Hockey Twitter out a little bit here. Not because I don't love you guys. Specifically you Ian Tulloch Oh that's not where I thought you were going No well Specifically because Ian Tulloch's smart And he actually picked up on the anxiety of this And then wrote an article about it that a bunch of people read

It's true Which is actually the smart thing to do and that's how you play it But when the expansion draft Date Sorry month was announced I don't think the date's been announced yet People are already talking about who the Leafs are going to lose And Ian Tulloch

And who every team is going to lose Yeah, and Ian Tulloch wrote an article about who the Leafs are likely to lose. We're three years out, guys. I want you to remember that there are three guys on this team that were here three years ago. Oh, if that. Gardner, Riley, Kadri. Actually, on the roster? Gardner, Riley, Kadri, I think.

If, then maybe Sparks. Yeah, Sparks, yeah. Seeing him take on Bernier, I was like, oh, that was a dark time. The Leafs also at that time didn't have players worth hanging on to, quite honestly. No. But maybe with the exception of Phil Kessel. But the point is, don't worry about it, man. People are talking.

Relax. I saw people getting into actual arguments about whether you'd keep Sandin or Lilligrant. Listen, no disrespect to either of those players. But come on. They haven't played a minute in the NHL yet. Now listen. We don't even know if they're NHL players. I get my neck up a little bit when people go, you shouldn't even talk about this.

You shouldn't be interested in it. It is our job to talk about the minutia. Oh, I use the word and get excited about the most ridiculous parts of hockey. This one, I'm putting my foot down. Yeah. Too ridiculous. You can talk about whatever you want. Ridiculous.

Ridiculous pecked. You can talk about who should be a healthy scratch on your team's ECHL team. I don't give a shit. This is three years down the line. Can we start making plans for 2021? Like three of us? We should go out on Friday, February 16th. You know, I'm not going to commit to that because something might come up.

No, no, no. I think you know where you're going to be in 2021. I think if you ask Kyle Dubas, he'd be like, I don't know where we're going to be at in six months, man. I mean, I have an idea of where I'd like us to be. Who's going to be on the team? We have no idea. I saw a tweet last night that was basically when you're 20, 15 people could show up to your house at any given moment.

When you're 30, it takes two months to see one friend. Two months of planning. It's true. It's true. It's yeah, dude. 2021? Well, I have no idea. June 2021 is what we're predicting.

I'm going to be Leafs GM. That's how much time that is. Do you have any idea how much shit can happen? I'm going to be Leafs GM Watch You watch And the Oilers are making the playoffs You know what makes me happy

Is that I just don't give a fuck Like I don't care I don't care what You know all I care You know what I want them to have At that point Stanley Cup rings

Give me some rings At least Give me some damn rings It's enough time Don't care Until Until that is an issue It's not my

This is the one thing Like Lou Lamorello One of the great Lou Lamorello-isms That exist Are if you have time Use it and I have time that anxiety is for the future that is not now anxiety that anxiety is for like

a week out because we'll probably be in the playoffs and not talking about it we're talking about the playoffs and like it'll be two weeks after that and we'll worry about that then and it's gonna be like it was last time you're losing someone oh no so is everybody else everybody every last one of them although remember when you were upset that we lost Brandon Leipzig. I'm still mad! Still mad! Wow, they're really, I mean, he had a lot of potential.

I'm mad they lost Levo, too! Well, that was the right thing to do. We're Levo-pecked. Have we talked about that trade? I don't think, yeah. Oh, yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. I don't know if anyone heard it.

Great for him playing with Besser and Patterson. Great to see him score right away because, of course. What a cushy job. That's a great job. Come on, playing with Patterson. What a perfect guy for that job. He doesn't need to carry the puck. That's not what that role is

And that's not what Josh Levo is But man, is he in the right place at the right time? Sure Has he got a great shot? Yes Levo doesn't play with the puck a ton Puck doesn't stay on his stick for very long He's either a banging guy or a snipe guy Yeah, let Pedersen carry it Claps shit bombs

Claps shit bombs like a man I don't even remember the goalie he scored on But he clapped a shit bomb past him For his first as a Canuck look out seattle sea cattle you got a shit bomb coming your way in four years four years it's gonna be joshua shit bombs aplenty you bunch of chicken shits i can't believe he's good i still can't believe you said clap shit bombs like i and we didn't

i didn't even remember it i don't even like that after people tweeted it at us i was like no i didn't say that you did say that i'm i'm the equivalent of someone like dressed and acting completely ridiculous in downtown toronto and all the locals just walk right by it like i am that to you i saw spider-man riding a uh longboard this morning down oh is that toronto spider-man toronto spider-man and this is the first time you've thought about it since you saw it yeah like it's just a regular thing well because he hangs out at young and dundas on top of those electrical boxes and just kind of poses for people yeah i have a selfie oh do you yeah okay and i forgot about it this is the first time i've thought about it in two months since it happened

have a selfie with spider-man it's just a thing that happens you know where that doesn't happen bowmanville where i was earlier today it's just a point it's a crazy city thing folks and you get you get completely like blind to it you completely like oh yeah oh there's a guy oh there's toronto batman and meanwhile with people bowmanville just got a starbucks pandemonium line about the door not kidding line about the door starbucks in bowmanville the events of the damn season see they don't have to do anymore so they need something else to do starbucks the montana's next door oh it's coming wait for that dinner rush you know it's great everyone in the town For the opening of the Starbucks

The Starbucks We tried to pre-order on the phone app Oh no Said sold out And I was like of coffee Call them they might be being robbed Turns out the app was just broken But it was the event of the season

Did we just talk about the fact Did you go to the Starbucks in Bowmanville For the opening No it wasn't the grand opening It's just everyone It just exists Sandra and Bill Had to go

Shout out to whoever got that franchise You are laughing There is a Starbucks on every corner downtown You are laughing for the rest of your life Not in Bowmanville Corner of the market on Starbucks in Bowmanville Does that have a drive-thru? Some of them have drive-thrus

No the parking lot is garbage It is an absolute gong show That's why the lineup is out the door Because you gotta park It's a slower pace Adam You got to sit and enjoy yourself and put away your phone. You got to actually talk to the person in front of you, you damn millennials. Also, no one under the age of 53.

Can I also kind of throw something out there? It's so funny that in Bowmanville, they'll line up for a Starbucks. In Toronto, they'll line up for a one-off restaurant, which you would find in Bowmanville. Wow. Like a one-off brunch restaurant. Like there was one down the street from us. You should never line up for a single thing in Toronto. No, there's just too many things.

There's too many things That half the line Isn't worth lining up for New York LA Any You should Never line up anywhere

Caprice Caprice is a big restaurant person So we live down the street From this place called Le Petit Dijon Which is the little butterfly Oh yeah Which is a breakfast spot

Never been Well It was rated the best Breakfast in the city We're like hey We can walk there So we walk there On a Saturday morning

Set up for failure Anything that's the best Anything Fart Yeah 10am Line up out the door We wait

And Caprice is not one of these people That enjoys being hungry Like I can handle it In the morning She becomes irritable Yeah Oh yeah I'm not lining up ever

I'm not lining up in the morning Even less than that And this is years ago When I didn't quite know How to handle it Like Like if we're ever gonna go Line up for food now

I would be like Have a snack first But back then I wasn't smart enough To pick up on that So And she You're pre-eating

At your house That's what I would So you You lined up at Zoe Deschanel's Do Do Do Chanel

Do Yeah Exactly All allowed And and we went in and had cold waffles and they were awful and so steve you're right that's a really long story just to tell you that you're right don't line up for breakfast food especially because it's the same everywhere how do we get to this i don't know it doesn't matter

bowmanville has a starbucks everybody so we were talking about let's also a fionn mccool's let's Line up out the door, Finn McCool's. They have Finn McCool's? They do now. Wow. There's a very clear, like, there's a plaza with a tag on it. Like, brand new. I'm shocked.

A Fionn McCool's, a Montana's, and a Sturbuck's. And it's just pandemonium. So my point is, in bringing this up, don't get anxious now about who the Leafs will lose in the expansion draft. You have no idea. We have no idea. We can't project our minds. We're going to lose a guy named Chuck Bowmanville. That'll be his name.

and then he'll go on to have a Hall of Fame career and we'll be like, imagine the Leafs would have won a cup if only they had managed to retain Chuck Bowmanville. Shout out to Jaken Smallwood. Yeah, why? He was third star of the week this week, I believe. Oh, yeah.

Really? Was he? He's kicking ass, yeah. Nice job. He had a bit of a slow start. No, he's killing it, man. Nice. Yeah.

Love it. Who knew the guy that we torched on our show when he was 14 would go on to be a really, really good hockey player? Holy, when you type in Jake and Smallwood in Google, it comes up Steve Dangle. Oh, no. The best was the video of him. I had no idea.

The great thing was is he handled it so well, eh? That's amazing. Like, we had the video of him listening to it. Somebody took video of him listening to it for the first time, and he just starts laughing. He was laughing. His sister, yeah. That's the thing in hockey. Like, okay, I have to be honest.

It's either hockey's a small circle, right? Yeah. Because every freaking time, like, there's somebody who's either hurt. Every time we talk about somebody, that person either heard it or somebody told them about it. It's not a huge community. Dylan Larkin heard last show, then. You think so? No.

Well, I don't think it's that. I'm not really sure it was NHLers. If anybody wants to go back and listen to when Jake and Smallwood was on the show, it's the June 10th, 2016 episode called Name Game. That was just 10 days before I tweeted out that Freddie Anderson was a good pickup for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Which was, by the way, brought up on Twitter today. And I said, he's a good goalie for a respectable price. And it turns out I was right once. Remember, we're like, Jaken, what's your number?

And he goes, 403. And we're like, no. Well, let's run to the show. We met your jersey number. And he almost gave out his number on the show. Because he was 14 and didn't know. You know, I wonder if he'll even acknowledge this. He's already on NHL 18.

Can't you get him? Yeah. He's in WHO, which is in the game. So you can get him already, first off, as a Steve Dangle podcast listener. It is your duty to draft him. Oh, my God, yeah. Second thing is I'm trying to think about what are the chances he makes the show and remembers us or talks to us ever again?

I've texted him a couple times. Oh, you got his number. He's responded. Yeah, well, he almost gave it out on the show. What's his WHL team? Kooten and the Ice. There you go. Yeah, you got traded.

So you're going to text him. I think Kootenay's done with Jacob Smallwood. I'm so sorry, Jacob. I didn't... Because he got traded. I made a mistake. Wow, he got traded. Got traded.

Well, he was the youthful return for the Wiley Vette. I see. Was he 15 now, 16? The difference in between youthful return and Wiley Vette is like 18 months because of junior hockey. Sorry, what was it? Is he 15 or 16 now? Yeah, I think he might be 17 now.

He's 0-1? 17. Oh, my God. He's so young. He's a child. Jesus. That's crazy. 0-1.

I was grade 6. What's his draft year? I think it'd be next year. Yeah. 19. We're going to lose him the expansion draft. It might be this year, depending on the month he was born, because Kotkaniemi was a 2000, and so was Fechnikov.

Yeah. And he's a 2001. It might be this year. It could be, yeah. Man, all you gotta do if you play major junior, especially OHL or WHL, if you have a really hot back half, you'll get

drafted. Yeah, because honestly, it's funny the recency bias is real. Well, sometimes it's legitimate though. Wasn't Mack Hollowell like that? Yeah, sure. But what I mean by that is that if you have a really great front half and a so-so back half, you fall. But if you have a terrible front half and

a great back half, you climb like crazy. And it's like, well, the players still might be pretty good they might have just had a bad stretch you know who got drafted like that had a pretty mediocre start to his draft year and had a really strong finish josh levo i wrote about this when i called him the leafs best forward prospect which when i wrote it was the truth that's a good one i called him the leafs second ranked prospect when you're second ranked for LeafsNation.com back when it was called that. Number one was Morgan Raleigh.

Small was January 21, 2001. I think that would mean it's this year. This year he'll be drafted? I think. What's his stat line this year? Stat line for the Kootenanny Ice. Kootenanny Ice! But in 31 games

he's got two goals, six assists. I think it's just Kootenay. I don't think it's Kootenanny. Yeah, but Kootenanny sounds funny. It's definitely Kootenay. Wow, so he must have had a really hot week then 8 points 31 games Draft them

12 pims, tough boy What a goon It's still one of my favorite things that's happened on this show Oh yeah Love the kid Adam, what are you reading? I am just kind of looking at the Marley score You see how the show crumbles when Adam does what I do all the time?

Tonight's teddy bear toss at the Leafs at Marley's it's a day game I saw it it's already happened yeah it's already happened they've already thrown

the Marley's on the Bears Deadspin there was one last week and Deadspin's like here's a video of too many teddy bears yeah it was

34,700 in Hershey, Pennsylvania yeah because they're the Hershey Bears yep oh yeah you gotta jump

if you don't win that as the Hershey Bears come on I got a relative who they got one of those like eight foot tall teddy bears that they wanted a carnival and they brought it to the london

knights teddy bear toss one year and like other fans were like helping him just you have to like like uh what are they you'd have to crowd surf that thing to the uh to the front yeah it's bigger than a human being it's the most ridiculous thing ever it's brilliant um tom wilson and ryan reeves you ran into the lion in the jungle oh yeah i forgot about that yeah Which I got to say, Reeves, you could tell he was like just sort of joking because that was sort of funny. He was smirked after that. The problem to some people with him was that he was being very aloof about the whole incident. Yeah.

Jesse's brought it up and I watched it a few more times before the show and we're going to see it again. Listen. Okay. Here. that's late as hell so everyone's saying what a clean hit interference is not clean folks it was an interference call was it not a major yeah that was a major not the game yeah now now here's the problem with like why did it have to be wilson because i feel like so many of the things that get said when hits like this are laid that people say defending the hit

that are usually rubbish i feel like we're actually sort of a little bit true in this case and i don't give a shit that it was tom wilson i don't care i don't have a vendetta against this guy he's injured he would have hit his head off the ice regardless so the if he's missing time because of concussion that's it probably would have happened anyway because his head hit the ice it's the fact that dude his helmet's not friggin buckled on and he hits it it's gruesome it is friggin brutal he puts his hands to brace but it's just not enough he smashes his face on the ice it's brutal but it's interference i think it's interference it wasn't a headshot and a few people pointed out

no, from that angle I disagree. A few people said that Wilson was just going for a typical Tom Wilson sort of just glance off the guy's head or glance off his shoulder hit on William Cartier. He's not.

He's just playing the puck. That's all I think happens. Reeves was targeting him Oh, there's no question. I don't think there's any question that Reeves was targeting him. and if anybody does argue that you're wrong congratulations you're wrong he definitely targeted him and you could tell and he's been targeting him all game because you know what

Ryan Reeves is probably sick and tired of hearing about Tom Wilson what for two guys who play each other twice a year they sure don't like each other no they do not Sportsnet did a whole blood feud video oh Jesse's got the video on slow-mo here

it what is the difference The fundamental difference between Yeah from that angle it looks like Wilson tried to lay a hit But that's wrong Oof That is such a big human being he's running into too And Wilson has no idea he's there

Keep your head up As Don Cherry would say Which is actually true in this case Steve remember we're on the air here Yeah my bad brutal Where was I going with that What is the fundamental difference between this hit And the last hit that we got pissed off

At Tom Wilson for What was it? It was Wilson on... Semi... Brett Senny. Senny. On the Devils. Detroit.

No, New Jersey. That one was just straight up from behind. Yeah. I mean, it was... Here's the thing. Whereas this one was a little late. And that's interference. And that's what he got called for, and he got kicked out of the game.

Yeah. Listen, I think, too, a lot of people make it about, like, do you feel bad for Tom Wilson? People are like, no, I don't feel bad for Tom Wilson. I didn't like the Schadenfreude. Can I say... Well, can I say it made me uncomfortable? It made me uncomfortable how much people were relishing in Tom Wilson being... Yeah, because I don't want the guy to have a concussion.

I just want him to stop being a lunatic on the ice against other players. But I don't want the same thing... You know, I know the whole live by the sword, die by the sword thing. That's great. It's a human being with a concussion. And I'm not... I'm just not... Straight up, I don't care.

You can call me whatever the hell you want. I don't like it. And I don't think that Tom Wilson... Listen, Tom Wilson will reap what he sows. There's no question about that. If you continue to act like Tom Wilson does, it's going to come back. That does not mean, as a person who's not a fan of the way Tom Wilson has played in the past, that doesn't mean that it's a good thing.

I'll say this. This hit and the reaction to it was a reminder that we're all just animals. Yeah. And we make sounds with our mouths. That's basically it. Because there are a lot of people who clutch the pearls in so many hockey situations And they saw him get hit And they're like

Good And they didn't care What happened to him They didn't care What happened to him Caps fans Obviously Were upset

It's their player And I mean Oh it's so dirty They're used to defending him They have to do it every week You should have seen You should have seen

The comments on Russian Machine Never Breaks No On their Facebook It was so good I was like Okay Okay

Alright Did you see Ryan Reeves sign the memorabilia of and he said he didn't he now that he thought about it it's insensitive ryan right and that's the guy he's got a sense of humor too yeah so he understands what's going on there right his all his interviews with scott oaker hilarious like it shouldn't be ryan reeves signed photo oh this is on russian machine ryan reeves signed photos for las vegas memorabilia company taunting tom wilson's injury now it's an aggressive title how many times yeah

First of all, it's an aggressive title. I don't know that they're necessarily an unbiased look at the NHL. And I mean, come on. Whereas we're fair and balanced on the Leafs for sure. Exactly. Exactly. Now, look, I love Russian Machine Never Breaks. They're amazing.

They feature my stuff sometimes. We've had Ian Olin on the show. I drank his family. So happy for him. Yeah, so happy for the blog when the Caps won. They sell Free Willy shirts. Now, that's a little bit different. That's a little bit different

I'll tell you why that's different Did they not release those shirts Am I going to tell you how it's different Well just answer the question Weren't those shirts released after the Ashton Reese hit Yes Come now It's not about

I think there's a distinction here You can criticize it And I could say I will listen to any criticisms on this But it's different because It is different It's not a direct comparison because they are saying they don't like the length of the suspension.

They're not relishing in the hurt of the player. Fair enough. Does that make sense? Fair enough. So I think that's the thing. It wasn't like, it wasn't like, yeah, Willie, eat Zach Ashton Reeve, you crazy, you crazy killer whale. Ha! This is like a BBC documentary and he's eating him.

You know what I mean? Like they weren't, like they didn't have David Attenborough doing videos for them. You know, that sort of thing. I'd watch that. I would too. By the way, All the BBC content on Netflix in Canada is the best. Oh, my God. Okay. You know how close the screen was to my face for that lion video versus the hyenas that they just released?

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I hope he makes it. Anyway, I think there's a bit of a difference there. You can criticize one. You can criticize the other. But I don't think they're necessarily direct comparisons. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Yeah. and I think Ryan Reeves is challenging Tom Wilson because that's the style that they both play and I think Ryan Reeves

absolutely signed that on purpose and said whatever I'll apologize for it later because I'm taunting him I'm trying to get in his head I'm trying to piss him off and Wilson saw it

you bet Wilson saw it well like confirmed though that he saw it because he I don't know what was it it wasn't the photo it was Pete Blackburn

he liked Pete it was Pete Blackburn he liked one of Pete Blackburn's posts so he's seen it okay Jesse can you look up the next time Vegas is going to play

Washington. That'll be a fun game. Have they played twice this season? I hope not. And the next one's in Washington? Ooh. Ryan Reeves is going to have to come to the arena with security details. The danger zone! Yeah. They'll call it.

They're going to... It might be the first time in a long time. Well, maybe not the first time in a long time. We knew Matt Martin and Eric Goodbranson were going to go last year. Was that last year or the year before? I think it was the year before. We knew they were going to go.

I liked that. That was fun. But this, they're going. They're for sure going, right? Yeah. I don't think that's a great idea for Wilson. I think he's a big, tough player. I don't know how he does in a fight with Reeves.

Also, just had a head injury. Also, who's the more effective five-on-five player? Oh, Tom Wilson. Yeah. Tom Wilson, and I hate that contract, but Tom Wilson. It's a great trade for Vegas. They're not going. They've already played twice.

No! No more Vegas Caps. They played on October 10th. What's Reeves... Is Reeves signed? His cap friendly? Yeah. Also consider this.

Now it's got more time. More time to just stew. Until next year. You know what would be fun? It's not going to cool down. This will never happen. But you know what would be really fun? What?

Is if you got to... If a team throughout the season... He signed through next year. Okay. The team throughout the season got to pick One team they'd like another shot at As in 81 of the games are scheduled But you get to pick

You get to pick 82 You just change it to you get to pick Who to fight Because 10 times out of 10 It's just going to be the team Why can't we let the teams Teams who want to play each other And then if you're picked by another team

You have to play their game too Come on That's pretty That'd be pretty Frickin righteous That's one of the worst That is WWE let's go

Come on One blood feud game It's Man I mean there's hate In all sports And I don't think Hockey's lost it

I don't think any sport Has lost it Just cause there's That fighting in basketball Doesn't mean there's No hate there And that's the thing Kevin Durant is an angry man

For no reason at all He is chicken shit shaking shit moves and I love Kevin Durant but man get off Twitter stop bitching about your teammates stop subtweeting them and it's the story subtweeting them or whatever it is

you're the second best player in the league come on what was it a ghost account what do you call it yeah he had a burner he had a couple he was the first guy caught he wasn't even good about it I don't know why I brought him up

every time I see a Kevin Durant thing I like send it to you guys I'm like Kevin Durant Kevin Yeah this week it was You don't want to fight me Kevin Durant

This week he called out The media for He said There's never going to be Unbiased opinions on LeBron Because they all Fawn over him He's got to cut that shit out

Because that was a huge problem In In In OKC wasn't it And he wants to go to New York next year We'll see Have fun Kevin

There was this big article About how the whole Locker room Just froze out All media Where With Golden State No in

when he was with Westbrook still oh that was OKC right that doesn't surprise me yeah it was OKC it's funny it's funny too

just play basketball man you're really good at it yeah you're really good and like chances are you're gonna win another championship

this year like you're amazing like come on well I mean I'd love to see the Raptors win but he did score

even though the Raptors beat them they didn't have Steph Curry in the lineup and Kevin Durant had 50 points that's a pretty freaking good

basketball team no I'm just saying Raptors won That's all I care about. So do we have to wait until next season to see Reeves-Wilson 2.0? There's going to be nonsense. There's going to be nonsense, for sure.

I like rivalries like that. I sort of wish that it didn't have to involve a player getting injured. Is that right? I mean, you could call me like, oh, whatever. I hope you're a pfft, but, you know, whatever. Now, the traditional hockey way of handling it is they just go, all right let's get this over with and they line up at the face off dot you know they line up at center ice and they fight right at center ice that i think is best case scenario here yeah there's

no you might be going well i think best case scenario is nothing happens well i don't think that's an option something's gonna happen i want to see something yeah but i like you're gonna get your wish but they're not gonna leave it alone because they're not two guys who they don't take It's not in their nature to leave it alone. So I think best case scenario, they fight at center ice. Worst case scenario, they try to light each other up all game like that. I mean, is it stupid to say that's how you get really hurt? No, I think that's fair.

And not knuckles to the brain? Because you don't... I mean, you do from... Yeah, I mean, knuckles to the brain. How about they're both bad? But I think it's... I don't know. The cleaner break, I suppose.

uh the cleaner option is they just fight at center ice you know they just grab each other they go let's do what we got to do belak versus jansen uh uh martin good branson just get it over with but we gotta wait till next year you had to like mine to find them because it hasn't happened a lot i hope they're both smart enough to not forget about it because If one forgets it, the other will not have, and they're going to light them up. If my stats are wrong, the Blackhawks have lost 15 in the last 18. I mean, if they're right, they've lost 15 in the last 18. They had, and this is a Dmitry Filipovich paraphrase,

but they had a lead this week for the first time in the last nine games. What? That's what his reaction to. Lead for the first time in the last nine games. They haven't lost nine in a row. No. Sorry, it was a first period lead. Was it first period?

I'm looking it up. I'm looking it up. It's crazier than that. Great show prep there, Adam. Check those debt. They've lost six straight, so they had a lead because they've won. But yeah, two of last eight. They've lost 15 to 16.

I think it was 15 to 18. I did not think they were this bad. They are pretty bad. They're a bad team. And here's the thing. They're the only team in the league who hasn't hit double digits in wins. Oh, my God. The Leafs have 20.

The Blackhawks have nine. The Leafs have 20 and they're not first. Holy mackerel. And they're going to get Jack Hughes. And it's going to be a nine. What I do find, there was actually an article today that was saying that the Hawks should trade one of their star defensemen now.

And I think they were specifically meaning Duncan Keith because they're not going to sell on Brent Seabrook. You know what? I can't find the tweet. I don't know if you get... Not a lot for either of them. Keith is, like, that's a, oh my goodness, that's a risky deal, man. And, okay.

Sure. With regards to the lockout in 2013, or 2012, I suppose, only a few days of 2013 were locked in, the NHL was kind of right. Like, that whole eight-year limit on contracts, and if you sign someone from another team, it's a seven-year limit. They were right. how is duncan keith's contract which was one of the best in the league for like at least half a decade a burden now that's incredible that's and that's why they had to outlaw these things

because guys were getting ridiculous deals taveras dude can you imagine taveras going to free agency and they didn't have that rule in place he got a 12-year deal easily easily at least keith's deal expires when he's 40 years old honestly though you know he's 35 if it gets you a cup do you care if it gets you three cups do you care yeah like think about that like sure i mean that's a guy that probably he might have lost a step but also let's not pretend that the blackhawks are not atrocious i can't find the fucking tweet sorry um it's either yost or philip ovich i'm sorry i made a screen grab of it and i can't fucking find it i'm pissed um the was the lady rude to you at the glasses store i had it on my goddamn computer and i forgot my computer at home i'm really pissed

anyway uh because it was such a good fucking tweet but um anyway uh congrats to meet you uh for getting a job at espn espn plus when you retire does your uh contract come off the books how does that no so no no you know it does well if you're over 35 it doesn't uh wasn't the best example datsuk the uh because datsuk right made no actual dollar well he's also different because he went to the KHL. I don't know. Yeah. I think it's if you sign

plus 35, then you're not. Then it's still like Marlo. If Marlo retires, doesn't matter. Six point two five million dollars on the Leafs next year. So you better hope that he doesn't retire.

He signed it when he was 35, 35. He did not. Yeah. So I think he's also different. The last couple of years of his deal, he only makes

like a million bucks in dollars. But the contract hit his five point. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a sham of a contract.

So basically, bring it up all the time ship it off to arizona keith will stop playing and play for arizona but what i would say is that duncan keith and you know i may live to regret this in 18 months when this take is thrown back in my face when he's no longer an nhl player but if you pick up a guy like him he is at least a top four guy on most teams that's an angry guy too i mean i so if you trade him he's gonna he's gonna have an axe to grind honestly man i don't hate duncan keith on any team at the trade deadline that's going to the playoffs.

It's an investment, though, though. It is an investment, sure. That's not... I'm not saying the Leafs... That's not a rental. Because I think the Leafs want to retain Jake Gardner. I don't think that they would make a trade like that, but I can definitely see a team doing it.

For sure. I like it. And I don't think... As long as you're willing to eat that contract for a while, as you said, Steve, they're not getting much more. I don't think so. I don't think so.

Not for D1K Not for D1K Dick packed Dick packed D1 packed And the most important thing is that After signing the contract There's two cups in there

One before it They got their cups Yeah No so and listen The Black This isn't about the Blackhawks Regretting it They don't

Full stop It's about the NHL Having to save Teams from themselves Yeah Because, like, it's about the money, right? You know what they ought to regret, though? Panarin for Sod and Forestbrook.

And also, Chalmerson, too. And, you know, I mean, like, they've lost so many games recently. They fired the coach. Every Blackhawks fan, and there were not a lot of you, but there were a few that said, no, no, Quinville needed to go. Are you deleting your tweet now? The tweet that you sent to me? Are you?

I mean, I think we know what the problem is. The team's not good. Team sucks. I mean there's no excuses now Team sucks Yes But they've gotten worse Since the firing is the problem

Yeah And here's the thing I mean Artemi Panarin Might be a guy that they sign And people will be like Well see the trades win We only lost it for two years

Trades win I don't even think Artemi Panarin on your team Gets this team to the playoffs I just don't think They have it anymore You're gonna have to do More than that

I think he helps I think he helps any team Phil Kessel Another guy They got some Decent young pieces They're going to get more because they're so bad And they've got some cap space this year

It's great I tweeted about that Phil Kessel who is in a 100 point Pace this year Who makes 6 points Who makes less money Than William Nylander I mean less money

His cap hit Because the Leafs are paying 1.2 million forever and ever I cannot believe This is the kind of shit in the nhl that just drives me crazy i can't believe that they think that moving that guy would ever make them better unless unless rutherford's looking at this season like it's a write-off we're gonna retool then i can say yeah you know what move castle that's the guy i move and let me find the middle ground here because people are probably thinking or screaming two

totally different things right now at the speaker that this podcast is coming out of one phil Phil Kessel is a pain in the ass. Two, he's worth it. Both things can be true. How many players get 90 points in a season? A dozen in a crazy offensive year. A dozen. In the entire, what, 700-person NHL?

And so people, you know, the top 100 lists always come out every year, and Phil Kessel's always in the 40s somewhere for some dumb reason. There are 12 players in the NHL. 12 to 15 players who could potentially hit that not even that do

I mean maybe 20 maybe you give them 20 20 players that can hit 90 points in a season that can maybe because injury they don't

Phil Kessel's a bit of an iron man in that way he also scores goals and gets more assists than he does goals and he's known for his goal scoring

I have to tell you I think that is the craziest thing that Pittsburgh is considering this and I can't see how they get better and again like I said

I think that's the thing Jim Rutherford needs to be clear with what he wants. I know he's a guy that doesn't like sitting on the sidelines and he's a big trader

and we know that. We love the Jim Rutherford big trade move. That's cool. But decide what you are. You have Crosby. You have Malkin. If you are going to retool

and get a bunch of young guys... Get a goalie. Get a goalie. For crying out loud. Hey, whoa. Ryan Miller? No, it's not going to happen. No, it's not going to happen.

I think it'd be smart for Pittsburgh to take this year off. You think? If I were them, I would retool this year. You find a taker for Kessel's deal. You get a pick in the top 10, most likely. Oh, which is so unfair. A dumb thought crossed my mind.

But what if Pittsburgh got Bobrovsky and Panarin? If they got rid of Kessel, they could get Panarin. I don't think they could get Bobrovsky, too. No, no, they need more than that. Kessel is absurd value. And also, Matt Murray's just having a bad run. I mean, remember when we talked... Well, and Casey DeSmith has been playing a bunch of games,

and he's just not good enough, and their defense isn't very good either. Remember we were talking when Mike Johnston was fired? Before Mike Johnston was fired, we were like, I don't know how Jim Rutherford has a job. They're not in a playoff spot. Fires the coach, win the cup. Maybe... Man, I've had some cold takes, or hot takes.

I've had some bad takes. Among the worst. Me too. We were calling for Jim Rutherford to be fired. just before back-to-back cups. That's this time three years ago. It was late November, early December when we made that.

And that's why you don't make articles predicting who's going to get taken in the expansion draft. Or if you're Ian, you do because you know it'll get clicks. But I did see a bunch of tweets. People were like, I'm not even going to hate-click this. I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of hate-clicking this.

You can just see Ian laughing at his computer. Nothing that I write really matters. in this... Like, that's a fun article to write because it doesn't matter. There's nothing riding on it. Hey, you were wrong about that. Yeah. Okay. Imagine if he's right on a single

one of them. What are the sheer odds he's right on a single one of them? Outside of Marner, Matthew, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares on the Leafs. If he's right on all those four, that's sort of a gimme. But other than that,

And he deserves the Stanley Cup himself He deserves his name on the cup If he's right on any one of the other players It doesn't even matter if the Leafs win You know what It's gonna be funny when we do a podcast The Flyers win and they just put Duvis on it Around that time we do a podcast

And we bring it up and see how right Ian was And he probably like nails them all Oh my god yeah God damn it Ian Probably the most prepared guest we've ever had He brought his laptop with notes Ah I thought you'd ask that And brrrr

And I'm like what? Yeah And I've never seen one person cram more information into one sentence. We have never had a guest like that. Yeah, it was great. Can I close out the Chicago Blackhawks by saying... They're bad. They're really fucking bad.

They're going to play on January 1st in the Winter Classic at Notre Dame Stadium versus the Boston Bruins. Cool. I'm glad I've heard lots and lots about that. Congratulations, Boston, on your two points. Congratulations. Oh, Adam. Chicago has played in Winter Classics in 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014. And they have not won an outdoor game since 2014.

That's also Stan Bowman's fault. I'm kidding. I don't know. That's not actually Stan Bowman's fault. Drew Dowdy is now upset with the Kings, the team he signed an extension with in the offseason and negotiated himself, don't you know, and did not get any bonus protection. So if there is a lockout, Drew Dowdy will not make as much money as he should. If Drew Doughty was smart, he would have got a whole bunch of bonuses like Tavares.

He's getting exactly the money he should. He shouldn't have negotiated it that way. That's funny. Agents. Anyway, Drew Doughty says his team does not have enough compete. Now, for me, I see. Competitive players. Yeah.

Like, yeah. Dude, it's a. What are you competing? It's a bad team. Blood from a stone there, my friend. Yeah. Here's the thing, too. Again, I love this about the Kings.

I mean, they did make that deal with Pittsburgh because they wanted to free up some cap space, which I believe gives them about $3 million next year in terms of extra cap relief if they don't resign Hagelin. $3.75, I think. And that's great. That's the kind of move you need to make. And they've hired Adam Oates,

and I believe the contract ended on December 1st. I think they hired him for like six weeks or something like that. It was supposed to be a change in culture. They were going to change the way they played When John Stevens got fired, they were going to stop playing defensively. Imagine saying to a bunch of old school hockey players, you know what? We play too much defense, and that's why we're not winning. I thought defense won everything.

I thought defense won. How are the Leafs going to win the cup? They don't play enough defense. Well, you can play a lot of defense and not even make it to the dance itself. Defense wins championships. And sometimes you play too much, and then you've got to hire Adam Oates to pass your way through this tough situation. because he passed a lot. How many people...

This is insane. The Venn diagram of people who say defense wins championships and Alex Ovechkin is a one-dimensional player is a circle. No, you know what's great is the... It's a circle. You know the line graph? It's like people that say defense wins championships versus age. And you know it's high.

No, no, there's traitors out there. There's some 26-year-old who's like, back in my day, what? Sorry not to call you out on the podcast, Jesse. The Kings are up 4-1, by the way, on the Vegas Golden Knights. Oh, good for you! Okay, they're Christian. I know.

I was wondering if anybody would get that reference. Here's the thing, man. You can't change the makeup of a hockey team when they're all defensive players. Or just none. It's Kopitar, Jeff Carter, and who? Not that good. Yeah, exactly. Listen, they've got some good players, and they've been banged up a little bit,

but that's going to happen over the course of the season. The Kings aren't good. And lastly, before we hit the press conference, the Carolina Hurricanes. Without McElhinney. The Carolina Hurricanes missed out on William Nylander. And the Carolina Hurricanes, I guess, didn't come to the table with a very good package from what we're told. They tried to rip the Leafs off on Nylander. The Leafs were like, well, no, we'd rather sign him.

I was on the Cheaters Never Win podcast, which is a Hurricanes podcast. And they were talking about what? Hold on. So you're saying the Hurricanes didn't blow away the Leafs? Hey can you do me a favor While we're thinking about this Do me a favor to follow up the story that was really great You just made me think about something

Go to the Carolina Hurricanes website okay Just go to the website There's something we need to discuss This with the Carolina Hurricanes okay There's something we need to do What other peewee bullshit thing have they done So the Carolina Hurricanes Let me just slick back my hair real quick

Missed out on William Nylander Okay it's not there but I'll tell you in a second anyway I just remembered it. William Nylander they missed out on. So they are apparently in the market for a top six forward. Yeah. Man, I... No, no.

Are you about to make fun of them, Adam? Don't make fun of them. No one's thought of that, all right? So I applaud them for taking a path that no one has considered. They're training a forward that they will eventually need. Yeah. That season. 30 goal scorer Jeff Skinner

who we gave away for nothing who we said was bad for the team and needed to move on that's the guy you need now what if Buffalo makes the playoffs and you don't that's bad I mean like listen

it's not fair to Cliff Poo not fair but also it's not his fault that Carolina didn't get a first round pick for Jeff Skinner that's what they should have got Cliff Poo wouldn't have made that trade. I don't think Cliff Poo would have made that trade.

No. And you got, like, a second-round pick in 2020. Good for you. And it'll probably be 60 overall, or, like, among the, like, late 50s. Out of the four assets that the Hurricanes got, the sixth-rounder gets the most points. Yo, don't insult our boy Cliff Poo like that. I didn't say...

What if he could be... They could all be Hockey Hall of Famers. The sixth-rounder just gets the most points out of them. He could be the Sabres Ballot Hall of Fame, or Sabres trade ballot how about the six rounder gets the most points

but is the only one to not make the hall of fame because defense wins championships that's how it works Cliff Poo is gonna win the

Selkie five straight years and then I'll be sorry also with the Hurricanes yeah do you know what

their catchphrase this season is Cliff Poo for Selkie that's a good catchphrase I mean not a bad one

Kadri for Selkie was once a thing I think their catchphrase is McElhaney hopefully McElhaney comma See if this hits you weird Take warning Yeah

Take warning I've heard take notice But take warning? I've heard fair warning I've heard it's a warning This is a warning I heard from my mother a lot Take warning is Grammatically incorrect You can't take a warning

It's not something you can physically pick up and take with you take warning take heed you could it's like taking a dump though you don't take anything leave that behind but you are there's an action but you can't that's not there's not even a when you take a dump you're taking your there's an action there's no action with warning no you you're you're literally you can't what is what would warning is just it's just a passing of information danger is coming and so you're taking that information and so you've taken the warning. Listen, Adam, I'm working with it.

I'm trying to make it work. Come on. Take warning? Who takes warning? It should just be... Nobody in Raleigh takes warning. It should change it to Brian Burke's favorite team. Or...

Brian Burke's favorite team? Yeah. Does he hate them? The Carolina Hurricanes. Brian Burke's favorite team. He hates the storm surge. He hates it at the end of the game. I just don't think it belongs in our game.

Who's our game? Is that your berk? It's the best I could do. I'm sorry. One more time. I don't think it belongs in our game. I can't. Listen, no one's hiring me for impressions, okay?

No, you're a regular Mel Blank. It was amazing. The Webster's Dictionary defines the act of warning, the state of being warned. What is it, though? Is it an adjective? I don't know my thing. There's an act, so it's an action? So it's a verb?

It's a noun. Warning is a noun. What? Yeah. How is warning a noun? Or it can be an adjective. We are, I'm going to go out on a limb and say we're the dumbest hockey podcast. Yeah, so it can be a noun or an adjective.

But in this case, it would be an adjective. Sure. Because it's describing something. You're not asking the right person. But when you take something, you have to take something that exists. Like no one says to you, take love. Take. You take it.

Take love. take it what if steve is giving me love and you were telling me but i'm not asking you to give i'm asking you to take it take this love taking the come over here and take this love i'm taking his love from for me take warning take warning of steve's love that you're taking morning jesse's taking your love can i read you something no elliot friedman's tweet says hockey night in canada tonight begins in eight minutes on sports wow we've been recording for a long time Begins in 8 minutes on Sportsnet and CBC We've got

This is fun T-O-O-O Slash B-O-O-N Elliot No you're jumping the shark Elliot You're using too many letters there And P-I-U-H Slash

O-A-W-A Followed by N-I-L-E Niall slash C-A-A-Y. Now, I think those games are Toronto-Boston. Two versus Boone. And Poo-Boone.

Two Boone and Poo-O-O-H-O-W-A. Poo-O-O-O-H-O-W-A. I think it's Pittsburgh-Ottawa. And Nile-K. Nile-K. I think it's Nashville-Calgary. Yeah, it's Nashville-Calgary. Except for Nashville, there's no I in Nashville-Ville.

I'm an idiot. Wow. Is that an adjective, too? Take warning. Take warning. Let's do the press conference. The Presser S.T.P. You guys take your press conference morning?

The Steve Dangle Press Conference. Nick Caster 20 asks if you can watch ice surfing in the U.S. The answer is no. No, and I've had... Adam, even more funny than, have you considered getting equipment that works? is why hasn't Sportsnet considered making ice surfing available in the States? Well, they don't own the rights.

Oh, don't let something like that get in the way there, Jesse. Don't let whether or not it's legal get in the way. You paid for it. You paid money. I just think they should just do it. I hate geoblocking. Hate it. But it's up to you.

Yeah. yeah it's your decision have you considered it steve have you considered that you bought the rights to the nhl i'm glad you brought it up we'll make a change now you're changing the game right now that's what you did you just didn't think about it did no i was such a fool now i've seen the error of my ways so don't worry it'll be hey i shouldn't mock anyone who tries to point something out like that or just be helpful. We offended someone last show.

Okay. Karl Moss. Karl Moss? Karl Moss. Did he mention the light bulb? Now, this is the problem. I'm locked out of my damn Reddit account again. So people were...

So people are definitely reporting you on purpose. Oh, my God. So people were... That's so funny. I know. And someone tried to sabotage my EASHL game the other day. Isn't the world great? Report.

Report, report, report. That's really funny. I'm a big fan of Steve. I'm going to ruin his life. Report. Report. Reto-port. Reto-port.

Yeah, no, Carl Moss, they were sending me the screen grabs. He was upset. On the YouTube channel? Yeah, I don't even remember what he tried to point out. He's the light bulb guy. He would be upset. Yeah, did he come back at us? Carl, we were just having some fun.

I Reto-pecked you. We made fun of Scott Wheeler and then had him on the show. Yeah. Come on. Ride the wave That's one guy Ride the wave Ride the wave

And then you made fun of him again On the This week at the Sick Kids thing Oh yeah yeah yeah You were like Scott's riding the wave of tweets Like it was funny He knows

Listen And what's great is He got nothing out of that We ridiculed him We ridiculed him For doubting Soshnikov And then Sosh got Waved several times

And we were like Yeah whatever Shut up Ride the wave We gave him nothing Scott is confident in the fact that he knows more I don't think Scott's worried about And also Scott's a really good guy

The thing is that if you can't rib each other If you can't give each other shit Which you know I'm sorry Carl We gave you some shit but you gave us shit too How dare we Tell Carl that we don't care about Light bulbs To be fair Jesse

You and Carl should be best friends No Excuse me I am not a 60 watt light bulb I don't care for light bulbs So me and Carl Have nothing in common Therefore we gotta be best friends

But actually Wow Jesse's Twitter today Start and end with that By the way You're wearing the shirt We forgot to bring it up Let's talk about it

Sick kids You went and Baked at the hospital With the maple leaves And sick kids Tell us about it You made a video It's coming out

It's come out? It's out It was coming out today Wasn't it? No it was uploaded last night Last night Uh, so we decided to, yeah, upload it last night. It was a week game night or light game night.

And then we were going to promote the hell out of it all day, which I have. And I'm sorry for trashing your timeline. By the way, if anybody complains about that too, relax. Oh, of course you went to the Toronto hospital. No way. Did you get that tweet? Oh, dude, a bunch. Oh my God.

Adam, right now you're thinking of things to say. There's nothing to say. No, no. Did you seriously get tweets of people criticizing you for going to Toronto Hospital? What, are you shocked? A little. No, you're not. SickKids is...

Stop it! Worldwide. Let's ignore this and talk about the good stuff. Let's talk about the good stuff. So I went to SickKids Hospital where the Leafs played. Played. Sorry. Went to SickKids Hospital where the Leafs...

Of course the Leafs went to the Toronto Hospital. Eastern bias. You imagine the Leafs showed up in... Adam. My love. Sorry. my friend Carl I'm sorry we even

brought anything up you are a good person Carl's great Carl's freaking great can you finish your thing Lee's visited Sick Kids Hospital in Toronto and this is great so I got invited by Sick Kids to go to this event so it was really cool

I got to talk to some people there so the Leafs have been visiting Sick Kids since the 40s for a very long time I got some people questioning like man i hope the leafs like just show up on their own free time and not when they're forced to by the team first of all it's not about getting forced and second of all they do uh and what was cool what was in the reddit comments that i couldn't reply to um there was one story about uh matthews who's matthews ennis and someone else they just showed up out of nowhere with a bunch

of gear supposedly matthews does it all the time sundine was very quiet about it when he was leafs captain i can vouch for the fact that i saw caberly do it saw caber when i worked there um it happens all the time yeah uh sundin retired his banner there so the leaves have a long-storied history with sick kids hospital uh they visited got it was a really funny it was a fun video so it's a crazy media event there's there were at least at least a dozen outlets there two for sports net obviously it was me and sean mckenzie um and there was so the room was sort of divided into three uh one is there was a bigger room where there was like a tv and an xbox and stuff like that and that's where the leafs mostly hung out with the kids and their families uh then

there was like a little area where sort of everyone was getting their autographs and there was also a media scrum set up that i didn't even attempt to get in it was way too busy kneelander broke the news that he was going to be playing against detroit he was going to make a season debut he broke broke that news at sick kids hospital yeah i'm playing tonight yeah i'm playing tonight and then the uh the the third uh third of the room was a baking show with this clown named soleil and no one else really was paying attention to it or had their cameras on it and i'm like this is all i'm recording and i'm like just listening to like dermot and marner talk about farts and fortnight and freddy gote talking about how he can bake and justin hall's dancing doing

the orange vengeance and it was great that sounds amazing it was great yeah i thought it was a really fun video but uh i was driving driving driving to uh join your crew dot ca and it just links to sick kids foundation but basically you can get shirts and stuff like this or you can just donate you can donate one time you can donate monthly um or you can just buy merch you can buy shirts hoodies i got a toque upstairs i know they have mugs they have water thermoses they got uh bags i know they got a lot more stuff so here's the deal sick kids hospital has been part of toronto for well the least i've been visiting since the 40s so you get an idea yeah saved thousands of lives uh my mom had open heart surgery there in 1967 when she was just four years old my wife had

kidney surgery when she was six months old there and uh and does not has one less kidney but is surviving really yep i didn't know that yeah okay well i just learned a thing um yeah my sister had some treatments there as well so it's it's been a huge part of the city they want to build another one now you know how we've talked about building arenas and how it's expensive yeah building a hospital is expensive so i was told they need 1.3 billion which sounds insurmountable but the good news i got was they've raised over half of what they need we're making a dent in this thing so go to joinyourcrew.ca sign up you can sign up for the blue and whites if you're a leafs fan they also have like the ballers and like a bunch of different crews if you want to explore those i think they

still have the enforcers if you're not a leafs fan and you still want to do the hockey thing or whatever or you can just donate money whatever we're making a dent in this thing we're trying to get a new sick kids hospital in toronto let's do it join your crew.ca love it can you say let's go let's go follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake the steve dangle podcast brought to you by panago pizza order at panago.com and stuff your face with deliciousness