The Steve Dangle Podcast - Go Topless Jeep Weekend | May 20, 2020

Episode Date: May 20, 2020

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve gets distracted easily (00:00), Akim Aliu writes a moving piece in The Player's Tribune (02:00), Mitch Marner speaks on Mike Babcock (27:00), Pierre McGuire interviews for a GM job (48:00), Bettman wants Peter Chiarelli to work in Arizona (56:00), was Shane Doan disrespected (1:03:00), AND GO TOPLESS JEEP WEEKEND! (1:13:00). Originally aired: May 20, 2020 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/Xu_fu6ux8vI Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

panago pizza presents s d p the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake let's go this it's our first beautiful sunny day in the greater toronto area and i know glad i'm in my basement and you're in your basement jesse is at the office uh socially distance and i am at home with construction in the background it's not my home everybody everybody's like you know there's people walking through your backyard that's actually my neighbor's yard my backyard's that way and i don't have a backyard because it's just for my cars so how bad of friends do you think jesse and i are that we wouldn't mention hey man i think you got a trespasser there right over your shoulder well we know how focused you can get on your rants i

don't blame anybody for saying steve probably didn't notice that like i i really don't but at the same time you also also must know about steve is that if there's anything distracting at all he has to point it out and talk about it even if he's in the middle oh yeah really important oh yeah your window's been a problem because my back is strategically because i'm a child uh uh my back is to the window of the studio but since we're not there anymore adam will be in the middle of something poignant probably about napoleon or some shit and i'll be like there's two squirrels fighting there's a there's a man in his backyard there's a cat did anyone see the cat that's willie that's willie the cat so if you see willie walking around uh it's because this is a multi-unit house

next door and there's mice down by their garbage so willie takes care of that problem for us which is does that cat wear the crown he you know what he has been an mvp for a long long time and then everybody everybody likes him everybody knows him and despite the fact that my dogs bark at him he still comes up and says hi to me and is pretty chill around them too like he knows that they can't catch him so he just kind of looks at them like what are you gonna do yeah he's wearing the crown bugs bunny really misled me on the dog cat relationship it's a bit of a dry zone because we still don't know um anything anything any damn thing nothing nothing uh we don't know about the 2014 format nope we don't really have any consistent view on the draft uh we know that

pierre mcguire has yet again interviewed for another gm job which he's been doing for 25 years he really is the free space in bingo i know we'll we'll talk about that we'll talk about that but there is one major thing and i think it's the first thing you have to bring up it's the it's the thing i i was um i was reading it this morning between breaks on the morning show uh it's akima lose uh hockey is not for everyone and it's from the players tribune and it is uh one of the most gut-wrenching things um i've ever read frankly um and a you know a fascinating spellbinding sort of read like one of those things that just sucks you in and you can't stop reading but at the same time as you read your heart breaks more and more and more with each paragraph

And you realize, you know, a side of hockey that you didn't know existed. I mean, for me, you know, when I was playing, I didn't know. And I never played at a high level. I was playing house league, right? So it wasn't something that I was exposed to. But, I mean, I guess to start us off on that, he discusses, if you haven't read it yet, talks about everything from his upbringing to, um, his first love of hockey and how he picked up his first skates at a garage sale for nine bucks. And they were the leather skates. My dad

had those, by the way, he said, when you used to go to hockey practice, guys would pull their skates out of their, out of their bag. And then the boot would just fall over to the side. Like they were true leather. Yeah. I don't know how anyone ever used them. Right. Yeah. And so he learned how to play like that and he loved the game and he wanted to be he wanted his family to see him in the newspaper as you know a guy who's scoring three goals or a guy that's led his team to the playoffs and obviously we know sort of what happened from there and without quoting it directly too much because i believe you should read it um it turns into a pretty tragic story and what's interesting about this too is that there is um

there is a a very honest couple of moments he talks about the steve downey incident he talks about bill peters and what's so honest about it and what's so interesting about it from a hockey perspective is that um most hockey players would never name anyone even if they'd done something terrible and akim comes out and names them directly talks about the stories and talks about you know for instance losing 17th when steve downey cross-checked him in the face at practice um and talks about the events as they happened and how no one stood up for him nobody came to his side nobody he didn't need somebody to stand up for him and fight somebody he needed somebody to agree with him and the loneliness that he felt in that position

um it's one of the things that you know we we it's like the anti what we think hockey is and we're not just talking about the NHL and he makes that distinction too. He's like, the NHL is not hockey. It's a hockey league, but you know, hockey is the minor league teams all across the world and the minor league coaches and all the way up to the junior levels, to the semi pro, to the pro. And I guess sort of where I want to take this is, and, and, you know, again, you know, sue me for this, but you know, Jesse, you had a tweet today about, um, about, you know,

pertaining to this a black girl hockey did as well um you were talking about specifically um names that you see in eashl yeah and how you see racist names often and you posted a picture of that and i guess i want to start with your perspective on this because you have the most perspective on this and yeah go ahead please no i think like i posted that and i think Akeem talks about this stuff is because we all we care about the game like you don't say these things you don't comment on hockey and you don't try and make it better and expose all these issues if you don't care about hockey it's like I like you said I post that tweet about a whole bunch of the rampant racist names that happen in NHL 20 and I'm not gonna stop playing the game like the

reason I see these racist names is because I love the game I love playing video games I love NHL 20 and I play it but I'm calling it out because I care about I want to change I think Alou made that point so uh poignantly in his in his piece because he wants better for hockey and he's he's got to tell you all these issues so that the people within the game can try and change it and make it better and i feel like that was such a great point and so we were uh kicking just so you know anybody watching the video screen uh or the video feed uh we we were just about to ask jesse a very serious question and of course he was like here's a thoughtful answer and then zoom froze so we're going to start again with that one and then and the question is uh about the part uh that i

found uh the toughest to read which is the loneliness part you know we're talking about Akeem when he went through the event and was cross-checked in the face and lost 17th because of Steve Downey. When Bill Peters came in, we know the Bill Peters story. And again, I encourage you to read it in the Players' Tribune because the way he describes it is the part that really kind of hits home. But Jesse, you never played hockey at a high level. You did play baseball at a high level um but you are part of a hockey community now and i think you know when i read that i wonder how many fans that applies to you know what i mean because that's what we are we're just super fans we just love the game and you love this game and you love nhl and you like you love ea sports nhl

and you love uh watching the games going to games everything to do with this do you feel that at times for sure because everybody you get different experiences because everybody's a different person it's it's a reason we're such big advocates for the women's game and having minorities in hockey because when you see a woman in hockey you and you are a woman you see that and you have that perspective you're like that person understands what i'm going through when you're a minority and you see a fellow minority in these positions you're like they understand my perspective because it is a different perspective as much as we don't want to admit it it is different if you are different and you stand out so when I lose sit in there on the bench and in Montreal and

or in Quebec and someone calls him the n-word and he looks down to his teammates nobody else on that bench knows what he what he's feeling in that moment and I feel like that's any he describes and he talks about how there's no reaction from any of his teammates or coaches because they didn't understand he was alone in that moment because that doesn't affect them like it affects him and when you don't have and you look at the hockey community and I don't see as many teammates around me not teammates in the sense that we're all playing in the sport but teammates just in the hockey community because they're just it just doesn't exist so yeah you are alone at times because there aren't people experiencing the same things as you.

So, you know, one of the things the article talks about is, you know, the good intentions of the NHL, although much, much work to do. And, you know, that, you know, we're not – he's not closing the book on things. In fact, he wants to push things forward, which, you know, given what he's gone through, you couldn't blame him for saying, you know, screw this, I don't want to be a part of this. And he hasn't, which I think is the strongest part. My question is, and we've had this discussion before,

and we seem to be having a lot of these discussions lately. The reckoning is here. And these are the hard discussions, and you have them now so that you don't have to have them later. Whenever you're having a tough time in your life, you're doing it now so that you don't have to do it later because you can kick the can down the road like the sport has done for many many years and all of a sudden you have you know a a sport that doesn't feel inclusive to

many people um so this is what we're trying to move forward and past my question is uh and it's to both of you we have to do more what does more look like and i'm not asking to answer the entire question because that's a big question uh but he did mention the the rooney rule in pittsburgh where you must, and the NFL, I believe, has adopted that, you must interview minorities for positions because otherwise they may not ever have a chance. What things do you see that you go, you know what, we could change that right now,

and that makes a big difference? Jesse, I want to kind of start with you on that one. Yeah, I feel like it's just important to get those people into the game and make them understand that it's a space for them. um i think the rooney rule is a great start i feel like when i feel like once you have them in the building then it starts to we do the interviews and then we hire and it's also about creating safe spaces it's about even it's it's so much deeper than the than the nhl because i know he he hammered that point home is that okay we're going at the nhl for their hockey is for everyone

slogan because it's not entirely true but this isn't an nhl problem that's one league within within the entire hockey community so it has to start at the grassroots level you have to you have to get immigrants involved you have to get minorities involved whether that's creating their own safe spaces where they learn and understand the game or if it's just finding ways to integrate everyone at just the grassroots level so they can start loving hockey because it's a sport that brings canadians together uh once when when you get on the ice and you skate that's when you become friends with people in canada you know it's that's how you build relationships as kids and you need us you need to get them in there you need to get everyone with on the ice

as much as possible i don't know steve what are your thoughts god you're making me miss hockey so much um but the uh it's the minimum the the bare minimum and let's start there and build listen listen for crying out loud listen like every time akima lu says something you see the 15 minutes tweet and i'm i'm the 15 minutes i'm sorry i don't know what that is sorry the the winner winner this when's this guy's 15 minutes going to be up oh okay happens all the time happens every time he says something i see it every time what are you asking that for what's the purpose what's the purpose the steve downey incident happened it's literally on video so what are you talking about the bill peters thing is corroborated by uh everybody there uh multiple teammates including

the captain jake dowell and bill and bill what are you talking about the uh the chicago colorado eagles incident that i don't think was actually even brought up in his article no that happened there's pictures what are you talking about what 15 minutes if you've ever listened to any african-american african-canadian if you've ever listened to any minority in hockey they have a similar story it's not him stop pinning it all on him he's just actually saying something you know not not everyone wants to deal with this shit frank well and and oh sorry go ahead go ahead but you you made a good point there and i want to expound on that after sure go ahead well okay so mike so that brings us to the part where we have one nhl and that's stephen johns at the recording

of this podcast who's spoken up about this you have members of the media retweeting and you know giving their opinions but you know he talks about this a little bit and there are people that mention it even more it's you know it's it's the the major faces of the games you know the conor David's the Sidney Crosby's don't talk about this stuff you know it became a major issue when it's like are they going to White House who's going to White House um you know and and I think you know he kind of goes into why hockey players don't want to do that they don't want to stand out and it's a it's an issue that is a marketing challenge for the NHL I think it's not more than challenge it's a problem they don't have a lot of big personalities because nobody wants to stand

out um and a lot of these guys don't want to get involved in this because frankly it's inconvenient and i want to know you know what it takes for major faces in the game to finally stand up and say something and and you know other than you know wishing the best like there's got to be more than this now doesn't there do is it wrong of us to now have higher expectations of the faces of this game who are of one minority well i'm sorry majority um and who are supposed to be you know they're marketed to us as leaders in the community charitable people um great great captains at what point does that become a part of the responsibility of being a face of the game you make that kind of money you are that you you make those kinds of

uh deals with you know energy drink companies or uh bread companies or auto companies whatever it is you're going to be a face here at what point is it on you to take a step up and i mean i don't even know i don't like stephen johns uh he didn't say much he's just said that we had to do we have to do more which i mean anybody could have said that's all and nobody will even for well and that's nobody's minimum right and we're and i'm asking specifics i mean the hard question is what what is it uh and there's so many what's to be answered but the just that that happened there's a guy with 10 000 followers i mean that that alone was was great and obviously evander kane spoke up but we're talking about white guys so what at what point here do we expect

these guys to lead on that social front as well and grow this game and is it is it a fair expectation i i mean i think it's a fair expectation um at what point though do do these athletes sort of step up in that realm and i i i know that's a question that's unanswerable but is it time it's up to them personally really uh like if you ask anybody's advice they'll probably tell you not to talk about it and they'll probably tell you to uh stay away from the issues because it's problematic for you and it's problematic for the organization and it's uh frankly a pain in the ass and players stars in particular uh need to decide that they're just going to barrel through all that they're they're going to deal with the fact that it's uh you know

They're going to have to deal with the fact That it's exhausting to deal with racists Which basically white people Need to find out how exhausting that is Right So and you don't want to deal with it Do you No it sucks

Alright now you're starting to get it I think maybe But they do have to take it upon themselves It's up to You get to Connor McDavid's level And we're just Using his name right you get to two biggest names in the game yeah you get to star level any team's best player

most popular player let's say you sort of get to a point where uh the organization can make a suggestion and you just don't really have to listen to it because your name sort of transcends it you know it doesn't mean being a bad teammate it doesn't mean never listening to anybody uh but it does mean taking it upon yourself and using your star power to use your voice to speak up for those who don't have quite the voice who don't have quite the same power right so uh you know i saw i saw a heartbreaking tweet under it like you know that's just not this sport like stop expecting it to happen which is it's it's a man from a guy who can be pretty pessimistic like jesus i can't I just can't accept that level of pessimism.

I don't, um, I don't think it'll stay that way. The progress is happening in hockey and, and, uh, Lou did say that he did acknowledge it, but it's just,

it's so slow. It's so unbelievably slow. And I guess I'll say this. There's a vocal minority that whenever a Lou tweets something, they just immediately go to, how can I go against this? how can i make this how could i save myself the trouble of reading all these unpleasant things and just talk about how it's about his 15 minutes right i know that's a very vocal minority and

all you got to do i'm just curious i just my faith is in most people being good right i just i'm curious as to how he's profited from this like he hasn't before Before we move off of the star players not speaking up, I have to say... Oh, I was going to you next. Don't worry. I just have to say, it's starting to upset me

because it's come to the point where this is what's made you who you are. The game of hockey, this is what's made you a millionaire and put you on this pedestal. And it's interesting watching the last dance and going through this saga of Michael Jordan saying, uh what was it uh racist by jordans too is that the quote actually it was republicans jesse yeah republicans by jordans to take take that for what it means but uh yeah so but that

was it seems like that was a it was more of a political issue and we're not asking these top these mcdavids the crosby to speak on political issues we're asking them to speak on the thing they grew up in the thing they're doing right now that's paying them millions of dollars i'm not telling you to comment on going to the white house i'm telling you to comment on what goes on in a locker room to a 12 year old and i i feel like they're they have at some point if the dam's got a break and these guys have to stand up for their game because they are whether they like it or not when you're at that tier you are the representative of the entire sport you are the international face of what and they shy away from it so much in hockey to not be that face but at some point

you got to accept what you are and you got to speak out and you got to take a stance and help the people who can't help themselves because as a as a 12 year old black kid you can't affect hockey you can't change the culture around you you can't change racist taunts even at my level i can't i can't stop kids on on eashl from having a racist name even though i'm trying so it'd be it'd be great if these guys who are in positions of power who can affect change just say something for once and and you know subconsciously i'm going well you know there's there's more minorities you know in hockey on uh the radio side now than there were before on the tv side on the digital side playing probably in coaching at the minor league levels and i'm going no that's still not who we're

asking to help here that's still it's white people man well no but if you want to rely on no no you want to be a leader if you want to tell if you want to you know if you want to pretend to be one of the best players ever what side of history do you want your legacy to land on but what i'm saying is we're relying on minorities to fix racism oh okay right which i think is wrong yeah i agree definitely yeah i don't think anybody's gonna disagree with that yeah that's no i know i'll take there adam you'd be surprised i know i know i'm just giving you hell but you know the thing is is that yeah jesse i'm with you i think i think it's time for these guys to step up like get out there and it's got to be more than hey like just put them in front of a fucking

camera and going hey you can play and i put some rainbow tape on my stick and everything's all right it's got to be more than that i don't know adam is is it time for them to stick up or to step up we now go live to the comment section yeah true but you you understand like there has to be at a certain point some buy-in from the from the leaders of this game and and maybe they don't want to speak up because they're not eloquent but that's another problem with hockey that we've mentioned many times before there are not very many eloquent hockey players who have a lot to say i don't and what's that i don't buy that well i mean listen or who are comfortable on camera uh and and you know if you don't buy that that's fine that's cool um i think it's time

for them to get over the fear and start standing up for people that actually are fans because the thing is it's more than just standing up for a specific teammate um or you know somebody that used to know you're standing up for the fans in the stands who are a part of this as well and who are paying to be there and paying to be a part of this because essentially that's what you're doing and you know it would be really great if i mean the it's bare minimum stuff like we need to do better you know like people would flip their shit if conor mcdavid tweeted that today and it's just nothing it would legitimately be a big deal yeah and it doesn't we can't even get that wouldn't even change anything no but it would just be like wow somebody acknowledged it it's like it's i hate

to say it but it's the it's the worst it's the worst comparison to the west macaulay thing we're so void of personality and we're so void of anybody standing up socially here that that we that we would flip our shit if something like that happened and i don't buy the eloquence thing i i know the hockey player stereotype is well you know we got to give it 110 pucks in deep if you've played a thousand game nhl career and been to several all-star games you've been in front of a camera more than the cast of friends don't don't give me this there's no eloquent hockey players who know how to talk yes there are yes they're bloody are every team's got at least half a dozen guys who could talk a dog off a meat wagon so i guess you know is there anything here um

that you think we we ought to hit and i'm asking both of you because i you know when you read something like this there's so many things that that you want to make sure that you talk about is there anything here that you think we need to we need to highlight before we move on i think it's important to drive home the fact that we just need people to keep talking we need people to keep sharing these stories because the more we talk the more it's going to affect change and if let's i think you need to pull back from yourself for a little bit and if you love hockey you need to realize that it's a deeper issue like if you if you drove uh pure later trucks for a living and then you realize that, oh, they only let white people drive

Purolator trucks, and then you said nothing about it, it would probably be a problem. Like, that's the extreme example, and a ridiculous comparison. But it's the same thing on a different level. It's okay, there's a fundamental problem with the grassroots of the game, as outlined by Akeem Alu's story. And we need to change it, we need to work together, and everybody needs to be vocal on it. It can't just be the people who are being disrespected they can't just be the ones speaking out so it's important just

get out there and speak and try and make some change yeah do the difficult thing which is speak up and if you can't do that do the easy thing which is listen not every akimalu critique of racism in the sport of hockey is a personal attack against you as hard as that is to believe believe it or not he doesn't know who you are don't take it personally just listen we uh we did see uh coach mike babcock uh appear on a coaching panel on uh zoom uh today for mcgill for mcgill and we've also seen and this is interesting so you've seen mitch marner talk about what happens if the nhl goes back and somebody gets coveted and dies right that's what he said on on a stream verbatim he's been very very honest and he appeared on connor carrick's

podcast he was talking about the list that mike babcock put him through and here's what he said i was really young i was really nervous i didn't know what to do so i did it next thing i knew it got reported to the team bozy jvr and naz those are three of the some of the best guys i've ever played with they've been great throughout my career talking to them and stuff like that it was hilarious at first they were jiving me about it because i didn't know it was going to get shown to them i think babs's lesson was trying to show the older guys that i'm a young guy and i'm looking up to those three. And that's what's happening. Marder described it as a growing moment. And this is according to Luke Fox, sportsnet.ca. Babcock himself said he apologized at the time. He said

it wasn't a great idea. Marder went on to say these guys, sorry, the three guys that ended up getting told, these were three of the best guys that could have been told because they didn't care. They were on my side. They knew I had to do what I had to do up there. And he noted that he maintains great relationships with them so it's sort of an interesting thing and then he gets into the contract so he talked about the contract with Darren Ferris and Kyle Dubas and he said you have agents for a reason they do all the dirty work they do the talking for you it was about three or four days before training camp opened up and I finally called Darren and said all right let's get a meeting with Kyle let's get talking I want to talk face to face once the player and GM

met in person a key point in the William Nylander negotiations as well Marner said his signature was on the paperwork within 24 to 48 hours he said it was really interesting to be a part of that and see what a lot of people try to do to kind of tear you down try to make you feel like you're not the player that you are he steered clear of social media and hit the gym determined to prove doubters wrong and then he he trained on the ice a ton and his trainer said hey man just calm down no one's out here judging you you're a hockey player you can do this you're fine enjoy everything so a couple of major things um you know you have to wonder a little bit of that hockey culture is coming in because with the babcock list i mean the don't tell me that your heart's not broken

a little bit if that happens to you right the babcock i mean yeah if you're mitch marner when he described i've been going back and forth on the babcock thing um at least with regards to mitch because it wasn't cool what babs did right but i feel like i got way more upset about it and most of leaf fans got way more upset about it than mitch did yeah it affected us more than it at him and us in meaning the leaf fan community yeah and now i'm like is okay there's a difference between a genuinely bad person and someone who is kind of a jerk or someone who is maybe good and kind of does jerk things and i feel like we maybe went way in one direction for babs like maybe too far i don't know i don't like well it's not like there isn't a trail of flares and

stories about this guy there is he's done bad things he has done bad things and i would put the marner list incident among them but i like i can't picture him as this crazy saber-tooth monster under the bed but you're you are a good person or not based on your actions yeah and and i'm sure he and mike has done a lot of good like he has done a lot of good and i don't very good in the community when yeah listen we're not i don't think the judgment is mike babcock the person i think the judgment is back mike babcock the coach i've heard behind you good coach anymore is he an effective leader that's the question stories and most of them are positive most yeah 100 and that's all there were but there were so many fundamental things wrong

with the way he ran the hockey team yes yes yeah wait are we are we talking about are we talking about making rookies do lists or are we talking about not putting people with austin matthews who should be both okay yeah right to me it's it's you know you want to uh jump on mike babcock the person the reality is you don't know mike babcock the person you don't no but can you tell me that what happened with fronzen or you know what happened with other guys um is isn't is an effective coach and i think at the time i was talking about like it's the highest paid coach in the world and this is happening well and this is how that's on to me this is how quickly it changes though because i think of this one incident and i'm like is he that bad and then

you start listening them all right i just listed one i didn't even forgot about the fronzen one yeah so that's the that's the part about that that i still like it's not really for me um i don't think he's an inherently bad man I think he's probably to say anything until one person says something and all these stories come out right like all these stories kind of came to the top and I think we were featured in like a Swedish newspaper or something at the time it was such a big story over there because of Franz like I think we were all in that for some I remember something for some reason it was like a big sports paper in Sweden and and uh you know I think that's the the the thing here with with that story is and I think the question at the time the question

still remains whenever i hear that story i go man is that a guy that i could hire in my organization now and trust he may not need to he may not want to but if mike babcock does want to coach in the nhl again and we're hearing from elliot freeman that he probably probably doesn't at least for now are we really are you sure as a as organization x that that is the guy that you want because he does do he does change cultures he does create accountabilities but he also goes overboard and when you go when he goes overboard it's hardcore and he picks favorites i don't believe for a second that he's done i think he's he's i mean you guys have done a show with me long enough that you know sometimes i i need to go in a corner and think about what i've done and i think but at

the end of the day i think you like doing a show with me it's just sometimes i need to go in the corner babcock is spending time in the corner right now he'll be back john tortorella spent a brief moment in the corner yeah and i think it did him a lot of good he's still john tortorella he's still very john tortorella but he benefited from a good little breath of fresh air thinking about what he did in the corner john you're a good coach you won a stanley cup you got a really good record you've been here for a long time you can't be storming into the other locker room trying to fight the other coach john you can't do it so we're gonna fire you we're gonna send you over here to columbus and you're gonna think about what you did a little bit okay buddy babs no one's

taking your three stanley cup finals away from you your olympic gold and your stanley cup no one's taking that away from you but a b c and d no like you need to the ego thing with him has been around for a long time like that's it's a it's a rumor that was basically just confirmed yeah so the sean fitzgerald that you remember remember what sean fitzgerald said about his accent and how it was just made oh that was right that was amazing journal man he's so great he's so good and what a great storyteller too guys one of my favorite guests we've ever had he was so just awesome babcock um needs to have his toys taken away go to the corner take a nice long walk and then when he comes back i bet he'll be a pretty good coach but he's he has to change

so then we move on to the second part of that interview with connor carrick connor's gotten a nasty scar have you seen it yeah yeah i mean i know we got i know we got it this season but holy moly the thing is still healing that's the creepy thing about instagram is you see guys get cuts all the time and connor got that one and after a while i was like oh i guess that's not going away huh no it's not no no it's it's so badass though it looks cool um and connor's been on the show he's a great guy the so he interviews have we had connor caracola yes yeah yeah it was while ago was i on the show yeah like on like you mean a member of the cast like on this person it was on the phone yeah i don't know yeah it wasn't that long ago was not long ago

we we do gotta have connor on again that's an interesting dude because he was he was driving from illinois to michigan um when we called him right but so i was yeah yeah i was texting with him but then he's like oh sorry i gotta drive and then i was on the go train and he called me and i'm like what because he had a few questions and then i answered them and you know said goodbye and we hung up and five minutes later he called back again and we spoke for another 20 minutes and then we hung up and then he called back again really yeah he called like three times that's awesome that's a that's a adam that's a different dude that's a different dude that's a different dude I would love to have Conor Carrick back on.

Yeah, no, for sure. We should absolutely do that. Also, if anybody wants to listen to that, it's called Carrick's Fuel, and it was from 2019. There you go. Yeah, that was his coffee. Glad you knew. So the Mitch Marner stuff with the agent, as I'm reading the quote,

one of you said, and I don't know which one of you it was, said, oh, that pisses me off. Oh, me. It was you. See, I would have thought it was Steve. I was expecting it to be Steve. So let me just read the quote one more time. And then I want to get into why that pisses you off, Jesse.

So Marner's priority was not to miss any training camp or exhibition games. He said, you have agents for a reason. They do the dirty work. They do all the talking for you. It was about three or four days before training camp opened up. I finally called Darren. I said, all right, let's do a meeting with Kyle. Let's get talking.

I want to talk face to face. And Kyle really wanted that as well. Jesse, what upset you about that quote? where were you in july mitch marner call your agent on july 1st or what or june or whenever it's not two days before training camp and get this done if that's all it took why why wasn't that call made earlier that's ridiculous the whole summer all we did was complain about mitch marner and the fans started turning on him and it was a terrible summer and then all all you have to was making fucking send a text just fire up your iphone twill your thumbs a little like all right

let's go sign a deal come on save us save us eight months of that nonsense anyway well it goes back to what steve says every contract negotiation is like what do you do all day like what do you do nothing they didn't what are you doing no exactly and i'm not talking about necessarily mitch marner but like gms and agents it's like what are you doing like are you serious once again i think fans took it a lot harder than he did uh no that that i i disagree strongly with chris johnson wouldn't have come on this show and said he took it hard if he hadn't taken it hard that's true i think he took it extremely hard and i think fans took it personally because what what the narrative was pushed out was and this is i'm not revising here he was disrespected he wasn't appreciated i mean

this is the most beloved player on the team and they just want a fair salary for him and it's it's above market guys it's above a market cost we did about 30 episodes on that two-line sentence of what you just described adam yeah i mean disrespected it was it was all last year is all we talked about and then it clearly affected him going into this year and his play to start the year but jesse like you just said whose fault is that i i'm blaming mitch no it's the fans it's toronto yeah remember how we're nuts no so mitch never blames toronto for that he might personally i don't think that's true uh but but you know media does but you know what the thing is like it's very hard you know i know he's got world-class skills and i know he deserved to get

paid for it but he was going to be a rich man and it's very difficult for somebody who's making 35 or 40 grand working uh you know 60 70 hours a week doing very hard labor or other things that you have to do to make money and make a living it's very hard to listen to that it's very hard to listen to that i thought it was cute the amount of people going whoa you're sticking up for mlsc and i'm like there's no little guy here no let's stop that right now yeah i can't i can't relate to either party i know what you're talking about i think i just understand the fan perspective which is it's pretty hard to relate to that we have a difficult time relating i think i mean there's the swollen water i just thought i froze again yeah

i inhaled water sorry uh jesse said he was mad and i was smiling for the same reasons really exact same reasons all summer long it's the agent it's the agent it's the agent if you wanted to end this you could it's the agent it's the agent and he just says it so i'm sorry how bad should we feel like it's done now it's done i'm glad it's done i don't and look at the season he had he was unreal like people people really underrated the season he had Because of the money When he picked it up When he picked it up

But I don't think His lull was even That bad It's in October through November People started talking About Mitch Marner Needing to pick it up

And the contract Affecting his head And he also got hurt Yeah So I don't think It's fair to say He had an unreal season All the way through

I think No that's true December through pandemic He had a great season But the body of work Or at least the numbers He ended up with Yes

Best pace of his Entire career Yes So far yeah his young career but there definitely was and chris johnson said it he was stung by it but so were the fans man i mean that's that's the reality is that they're both sides were stung by this because um not you know it's funny he could have signed for that same amount of money and had none of the bad pr that's what i'm saying signed for 10.5 10.593 no 10 signed for 10.893 no bad

publicity all he has to do and all his agent has to do is say nothing publicly that's it oh the publicness of it is that's what no that's an exhausting process it was it started from the day that con or austin matthew signed his extension as we all know god this feels so familiar right and that's the thing is that so you know if this is muscle memory man if anything and i i blame the agent at the time too and i now sort of regret that but it's not the first bad take i've had you have to be in control well you it was the agent's fault but mitch let him mitch is that's mitch's employee you know and so you have to be if you are an nhl player and i think mitch martyr learned this your agent while advocating for you and doing what they think

is best for you can actually hurt your career quite much quite a lot lawyers can do that agents can do that it happens you got to take advantage of the fact that you know what's best for you And you've got to stop handing over the reins to other people who are not you. They don't live as you. They didn't earn what you did. And they are not who you are. And you've got to make sure that they're clear on your expectations. And I don't think Mitch understood the damage this could do.

But there was a lot of resentment towards that. And it's not the money that he made. It's just the way his agent went about it. I think it pissed off a lot of Toronto fans. And I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that. and it's funny because it's not like like did anybody throughout the thing the contract negotiations say mitch marner's a bad hockey player no because that's the part about that quote that bugs me is that he says you know people you know try to tear you down and tell

you that you're not the hockey player that you are well i think people were saying no he is the hockey player that he is but that isn't worth what he's asking it's not worth 14 or 15 million dollars that Darren Drager was speculating on, right? I forgot Drager in this whole thing. You remember? I don't know who you're talking about. I don't know. It's just you had two options, sign earlier for less and feel good

or sign later for more and feel bad. It wasn't less, though. It wasn't even less. That 10-point-whatever deal could have been signed before Matthews. I think they could have had that deal or within $100,000 of that deal. like not it wouldn't have been that hard do you remember what rachel dory said when she came on like the absolute max she would sign marner for i'm pretty sure what she said i want to say it was nine seven i think it was nine seven it was like so he could have even signed for 10 and

people would be like whoa but does anyone talk about mitch marner uh and his contract and say the number 10 they all say 11 because it is yeah it is that's yes it is i don't know i just listen i feel bad that the team's literal teddy bear like mascot who's also their leading scorer yep uh got their feelings hurt and he seems like a great guy he really does but holy shit that was exhausting well and also how about bad when i think it's his fault yeah how about some acknowledgement of what the fans the fans have been here long before you and we'll be here long after jesse's right thank you i remember when we were in the middle of all this too and then some people there was a small vocal minority that started to blame mitch for this and

not the agent and there was so much pushback from fans of his like the fans of the team who want to believe that mitch couldn't be responsible for something like this and that it's all the agent but in reality you can he can send he can make that phone call he can send that text just to end it he can sign his name on any dotted line he wants and for him to say that's literally what happened is slightly frustrating yeah yeah i wonder how much those numbers moved in the last 48 hours because they left it for the last 48 hours i wonder i'm interested i would be very interested to know i don't know if i'll ever get the answer to that and what he can get with that money like sorry it's not that's not what it's about you gotta you gotta get a little bit what

it's about it's a little bit what it's about what do you have money for to keep it like that's that's that's a little bit what it's about and i can't relate to the leafs i've given the leafs a lot of money probably enough to pay for at least a year of that contract i don't and i don't think so probably sorry man i don't think you have probably at least i don't think you're gonna buy a chair some of it social bank arena refunded some of it when i worked for them not much i i don't know i listen it's in the past he plays now well and maybe not now now when he inevitably when he inevitably scores the stanley cup winning goal are we gonna remember any of this shit no and the thing is it'll be part of the story it's not that you don't like mitch

martyr you fucking love mitch martin man he's awesome you want to hang out with him you want to play hockey with him you just want to watch him skate and do crazy shit and score goals and and whatever it'll it'll be that that part is still there it doesn't go away it'll be a fascinating chapter in the documentary about the leafs first cup win the first dance in a while i'm excited i thought it was good all right all right oh god why what's wrong uh just the utter silence oh i'm sorry well i was looking at i was looking at the next topic now it's it's this comes from the toronto sun but greg wischinski retweeted it of course uh i think greg does greg wischinski and pierre mcguire do

they have like a rivalry no i think wischinski's uh just american and has to watch him okay so uh steve simmons of the toronto sun said today in his column pierre mcguire denies it but word is he recently interviewed for the gm job that may or may not be open in new jersey they have a gm said mcguire now ever since he was on tsn pierre mcguire has been linked to just about every nhl head coaching job and gm job every is it okay let me ask you this he's the free space and bingo he's the free space they've interviewed this person this person pierre mcguire this person bingo and probably wonder something and i don't i don't think there's anything underhanded going on here

But is it good for Pierre to go to these interviews so he maintains strong contacts with these guys and it's helpful for his media career? But does he break news? You know what I mean? Because you can understand if you have a good rapport with all the NHL teams, as a few reporters do, you can break news.

Pierre doesn't really do that. And I'm curious as to if that's not what it is, then is what what possible what's the what's the play here this guy that hasn't coached or been a gm since hartford in the early 90s which was a disastrous time now he's grown he's been around the game he's you know lots of knows knows everybody it was a quarter century ago right so like i'm so then so tell me what the allure is and i wasn't there some linkage steve to minnesota as well i yeah i want to i want to say when we were talking about the disaster uh that happened in minnesota that when they were looking for a new gym weren't two of the names

that god brought up if i remember correct peter shirelli and pierre mcguire or was it maybe just one of them and we were like are you all right can someone check on the wild oh my god bring chuck fletcher back has anyone has anyone called him a text they okay like that that was staggering to me that but the the quote from from simmons though on mcguire sounds like sounded like mcguire sort of being dismissive you know you'd think maybe he would have said a little bit more if it was to stay in the spotlight baby um i don't think anyone in hockey media is gonna have to worry about the spotlight but the second the sport comes back there people are going to lose their minds and so are the people covering it because you're going to be on tv non-stop for a year and

a half um so no i think teams legitimately interview this guy because they think he can do it um he knows a lot you know there's no question there's no question encyclopedia pierre yes pierre mcguire would crush you yes you at hockey trivia crush you um old stuff new stuff upcoming stuff he knows prospect he will eat your food in hockey trivia does that make you a good gm i don't know i don't know he analyzes for a living he has coached before but like we said it's like it's like you know back in the day i said you know some pretty disrespectful things about mike milbury when he was uh you know given his hot takes and everything and what i what i basically said was okay yes you were a former gm but you're also widely regarded as one of the

worst gms in nhl history why do i have to listen to your expertise did you say that uh yeah that was pre-jesse yeah this is when he was going after ovechkin hard and it was it wasn't over like he called he said he needed to be didn't he say middlebury was middlebury was and he said he needed to be a student of the game you traded for nothing shut up yeah like you traded this guy you traded that you shut up like it like i just i couldn't i couldn't listen to any of it but uh like mcguire it's it's one of those things where they're not even hiring him for a

position he's ever even had it's it's a mystery and don't you want to see pierre mcguire get the job just badly badly just to see what i want to see that more than i want to breathe not only do i want to see that i want to see him successful because i think it would just turn hockey upside down i think it would just be so much fun the way more fun option is he's successful yes oh 100 yes and i'm not saying that in like making fun at his expense he could be amazing i don't know i just that's why i asked the question is is what is the allure there and why is this guy always as steve said the the free the free spot on bingo he's always in the running but never quite gets it what's what's with that i don't understand how you like

how you go to so many interviews don't get the job i mean he's still got a pretty awesome gig with nbc that anybody anybody in hockey would love like and he wouldn't be a gm for the money no he's got money the guy works for a national broadcaster in the states yeah he makes money he's okay yeah he's doing it because he'd want to do it because he wants to prove that he can do it i just i i would be genuinely curious and it would be the story of the year but it really is like it really is like they have to have five names and they got their notebook with four names in it and they're sitting there like we have to hear mcguire like you want to do we could i gotta put him down he's a good conversationalist

Is it? Yeah. If nothing, like maybe he's just the best time. Like maybe he's just the best time and they use that free space just to talk to him. I don't know. I'm fascinated by him. I'm fascinated by every time he gets brought up in one of these conversations. I want to see it work. I remember a time years ago, Bob McKenzie was talking about, it was either Pittsburgh when they were really bad,

like pre Crosby, Malkin, Pittsburgh. Um, or somebody, I forget what it was, but he, he said, you know, we've got this person who's up for it, this person up there for it. And you'll have to excuse me. I have to put my colleague, uh, Pierre McGuire on the, on the, uh, the names list as well, because he, you know, he's, he's rumored to be up for this as well. And Pierre's like, no comment. And it was a very funny little moment and probably true.

You remember that? That might've happened, but I remember a similar thing and it was Bob. and it was when milbury was on their panel i think and i want to say he put him up for the sharks coaching job really yeah milbury was on the tsn panel for years and people forget that milbury's in canada yeah it was a long time ago it was either right it was either before it might have been when ron wilson left the sharks interesting it's a very long time ago though Wow. Well, either way, it's a fascinating thing in hockey. I don't quite get it, but then maybe it isn't mine to get

until we see the man do it, right? So, Pierre Maguire for GM, everyone. Who could coach a hockey team better, Pierre Maguire or me? Pierre Maguire. 100%. So, I don't know. I don't know. I want to see it. Can I get your guys' thoughts on the two points above that in Steve Simmons' article? I didn't catch those.

Go ahead and read them. Okay, I'm going to read the two above the Pierre Maguire quote. So this is the first one. The only three defensemen with worse plus-minus numbers than Jake Gardner this season all played for the rather terrible Detroit Red Wings. Well, yeah, he's had a back injury in that bad year. Was that a shot at the advanced stats community?

you think i don't know what he's trying to convey there what do you guys think i think he's trying he works for the newspaper that is the hate jake gardner crew yeah but also it's a toronto related thing was this this week's paper yeah yesterday's column i think boy we're i we're stretching for material we won't be stretching for long i get that few weeks it's only six small more weeks let's not jump on let's not jump on steve i get it oh yeah 100 no i mean he did struggle yeah he did caroline is not a good fit i think you know where he makes a lot of sense to me is montreal i'd love to see montreal pick him up they've got the cap space you don't want to play there well he might might want to now uh jesse next point i think the best fit was probably

taking a break to be honest for some reason and we're not sure why commissioner gary betman wants former oilers and bruins gm peter shirelli back working in the nhl he'd like to place him with the historically dysfunctional arizona coyotes the league would also like shane doan to wind up with the coyotes but there's apparently some bad feelings about how everything ended for him in 2017 joan currently works for the league end point bad feeling from whomst whoa okay okay first off let's start with yeah oh we'll break those up yeah there's there's many points but let's start with peter shirelli so is it just that like is that how you get hired in the nhl it's like gary wants us to hire you so we sort of have to otherwise we're not getting our

stabilization check our our rent check i don't get it like how okay we talk about nhl teams being closed-minded and having 31 jobs for 40 people you have you have connor mcdavid and you can't make the playoffs and you're gonna get another job in the nhl and and and people wonder why there's so many issues with minorities going hey how about giving us a shot you don't see anybody but you know what i'm saying like you imagine like this guy this guy flunked the tyler sagan trade hardcore almost sunk the bruins got fired went to edmonton and sunk them and now he's gonna get it he's just gonna well gary wants him to work when did gary betman become peter shirelli's agent it's like

coaches the team and he's like well i want my son to play first base so my son's gonna play first base this is like gary betton being like well i want shirely to have a job so i'm gonna give him a job we're gonna put him with the coyotes is adam silver like wink wink nudge nudging the utah jazz to hire certain what so that's not your job man that's like it's like gary it would be like it'd be like gary betman being like listen this podcast it's not very good but i want you to listen anyway because i like the people on there uh they're not very good though no it's like him telling you that a bad podcast is good or yeah or that you should hire them like listen you can hire peter shirelli i don't give a shit like who knows maybe he'll have a

better go somewhere else than he did in edmonton why is the commissioner going to bat for him right what and what's he gonna do in arizona like i don't see john shaka and peter shirelli you said arizona right yeah so i don't see that john shake was was peter linked to arizona okay i'm gonna read the um the wording again and don't read the don't part we need to talk about the Shane Doan part after. Okay, I'll isolate the Shirely part. For some reason, and we're not sure why, Commissioner Gary Bettman wants former Oilers and Bruins GM

Peter Shirely back working in the NHL. He'd like to place him with the historically dysfunctional Arizona Coyotes. What? For what reason? Is he the bringer of stability? He left the Edmonton Oilers in a total disaster to the point where the guy that had made it a disaster

out of the Detroit Red Wings has made the Oilers look good again. But also, the commissioner can't place people on teams. What the fuck is that? I mean, they used to own the team, right? The NHL used to own that team. And what kind of dysfunction is going on in Arizona right now that we don't know about? that that peter shirelli has to come in and go guys guys guys guys the the you need you need to

follow the shirelli method and calm down like what i what what is this i don't i just don't get it can i tell you what i think it might be what is it peter shirelli took a made-up team in an nhl put on international event called the world cup of hockey in 2016 peter shirelli helped assemble the most fun team at the tournament north america even though they were made up north america and gary bettman said that thing that we did four years ago with the obvious choices we're gonna pick that guy like i don't know that's the only not hard that's the only thing i have i want to put i want to pick nathan mckinnon for that team too give me a job yeah and shifley and matthews and mcdavid and yeah riley and ekblad and all the guys they had like come on matthews i remember was

the only weird one because he hadn't played an nhl game yet yeah but he was so and then he played and we were like jesus lord i want to ask steve simmons what this means because he wrote it i think steve's just as confused as we are like we often we often have divergent opinions from steve simmons to put it lightly but you can hear i think he's like i don't get it either for some reason and we don't know why I don't blame him for saying that what is the reason for that and he wouldn't have written it if he didn't hear it yes yes now the Shane Doan thing is interesting I remember being at a puck talks back when Steve did a puck talks and Jesse and I went just to show support and I think Tyler Della was on that night and uh it was a bit it was at the Rivoli um and Steve

you were on stage and i forget was it ali monroe i think that was hosting it you're on i think you were on with wheeler and i forget who else was on the panel oh it might have been justin bourne i think it might have been justin bourne was that the one where i where i asked if sasha kov was going to keep riding the wave i have no probably i have no idea just to be addicted well and wheeler took it well i was there for that yes he did so so the question here is is the the somebody asked in the audience at that point could shane doan had just been he just had retirement handed to him in a manner of speaking yeah like jerome mcginley right just like jerome mcginley so somebody asked in the audience that i guess they i'm not even really

sure if they were a coyotes fan but i believe that they were and they said you know how do you feel about shane doan being disrespected by the coyotes organization and i i think it was i think Justin Morton was on this panel Steve I know you were and I think Wheeler was and somebody else and everybody's burger was there yes I love Mike um and they and everybody just went what and the thing is for some reason there's bad feelings between Shane Doan and the Coyotes organization about the fact that they said we're not going to resign you now that could have had to do with the ownership group and maybe how they delivered that message but am i wrong in saying that shane doan was pretty much washed the guy had six goals in his last 74 games

at what point is it like okay man you had a great career and i remember he was pissed off too because they traded ladislav nagy and some of his buddies because they weren't going to the playoffs and he was 39 at the time right how many 39 year olds can be functional nhl players right i don't hear you played a long time and what we didn't understand was like what what disrespect and he seemed shane tone seems really bitter about this and he may have legitimate reason but his legitimate reason cannot be i was still good to play he no this this you're getting it wrong if i remember correct all right joe thornton all right very now that i'm looking at the numbers very similar situation almost the same age uh joe's 40 right now about to turn 41 sheen don't

i think was 39 in 70 games this season joe had seven goals 24 assists 31 points very similar to shane doan joe was mad he was not traded right shane doan at i think 39 like you said in 74 games six goals 21 assists 27 points not good not useless i he could have been traded at that deadline no problem somebody picked him up he's big he's got leadership and in terms of putting up numbers he's not useless he's the 30 points isn't nothing 30 35 points that's not nothing who couldn't use someone like that heading into the playoffs he did not want to be traded and so what i said at the time that was sort of unpopular with some coyotes fans is if you're in what you know is the final season of your career or could be and you don't want to

be traded to a contender you're on a team that is going to miss the playoffs i i'm sorry i have to question how bad you want to win here's your opportunity we're going to send you to a team that has a really good shot of winning no then you don't want to win right or maybe you do and you don't want to win that bad you want to win bad enough to go somewhere else no all right there's nothing wrong with that like you know you gotta uproot yourself you gotta you gotta take your fam i get it it's a pain in the ass but what are you doing i think uh wasn't the problem that he didn't want to get traded and he wanted to come back yes and the thing is it's it was they didn't well it was illicit and yeah he could have come back and played and got 20 more points and good

for him however as long as he's in that dressing room because he's been there for so long he is it is de facto his team and what they were trying to do at that point was move on because you can't have a guy who scores 20 points a season be the the guy on the team here is not the guy like imagine michael jordan was a bench warmer and played five minutes and averaged two points a game is michael jordan able to to lead the bulls to a championship no so when michael jordan so as guy who now i'm not saying shane doan was a bench warmer but shane doan was well past his second first line era of his career he had an unbelievable career he did yeah so at a certain point if you're management what choice do you have you have to move on you have to find the

next Shane Doan but as long as the previous Shane Doan is there you're not going to be able to let that guy be that guy I mean Brett Favre was still a great football player when Green Bay cut him loose but they had some guy named Aaron Rodgers who was ready to go and I'm looking and everything you're saying, Adam, I'm looking for the disrespect, and I don't see it. So I still don't know what Shane Doan's talking about. I'm throwing it out there. Mike Medano

and Mike Babcock. What's the big thing? He didn't play that one game, so he could get to 1,500 games. $1,499. And they're two Mikes. They battled for the name. Yeah. They sure did. They jousted. And Babcock won. Underrated. Bare knuckle.

He won. Mike Medano is Bob now. The Madcock fight. Bob Modano. Oh. Madcock gates. Babcock fighting is illegal. How dare you?

Anyway, sorry. Okay. Milestones. You should have went with Babdano. Babdano. Shane Doan, 27 points in his final season. this dude was oh math math is trouble this dude was 28 points shy of a thousand oh okay see that makes a lot of sense then do you want it a shot of a thousand that's the only

reason i can come up with or or you know one you know one thing we've had one thing we haven't learn from the last dance but it was hyper emphasized is uh a lot of the athletes at the top of their game are a little bit wired differently and when you've been Shane Doan for as long as Shane Doan has been uh you think you can still do it and you know maybe he's having a hard time letting go of that and you know I don't I don't blame him but I don't understand there has there has to be something else because they tried to deal him he didn't want to be traded and i'm sure at some point during those conversations they might have brought up the fact look we're not bringing you back there we're not bringing you back except the deal somewhere

else and he didn't do it he played in the nhl long enough to play for the coyotes under three different names yeah arizona coyotes the phoenix coyotes and the winnipeg jets he played for the first ones man you had a good one you should have let them deal you the other thing i want to ask is is at what point does like you're at the end of your career and let's say for hypothetical reasons here because we don't know that this is the case but i can understand a thousand points being the thing why does a team have an obligation to employ you to get those final 20 27 points if it serves no purpose well because you put in 1540 games and they paid you extremely well for that that's what your paycheck is for that's the don draper thing that's what the money is for

exactly yeah if your time is done it's done it's a great call let me throw it out there though and here's me throwing it out there again for some reason that's my verbal crutch today uh shane doan's playoff point totals exactly 28 points huh so shane you did have a thousand in a way a thousand i don't know why don't we count those like i don't know it's weird i don't know to me that's he had 972 plus 28 that's a thousand and i mean if playoff games in suspension terms count as two games you know like if one game if you get suspended for a game in the nhl in the playoffs it counts as two games so those point totals are actually 54 because point totals must then also equal double what they do in the regular season right i'm actually

watching like planets and stars orbit your head right now galaxy well that's how the nhl views suspensions oh one playoff game is worth two regular season games i don't get it yeah well Okay. There's a lot about the NHL we don't get, but here's the thing. How about we go into the press conference and we have a fun time? The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. It's always a fun time.

It's a silly place. Let's do it. All right. For the press conference, we're going to play a video. Oh, I love it. Throw the video out there. Just throw it out there. While you're loading that

And I'm sure people will bring this up The season before Shane Doan's last one He had 28 goals Only 47 points but 28 goals That's not nothing He should have gone to a contender man He could have been a contender He could have been a contender

He should have gone Ray Bork did it man You don't get to play for one organization your whole life Ray Bork did it, no one blames him Do you think Ray Bork hated winning a cup? i wasn't with the video footage like what i remember about him getting handed the cup was all the shoulder shrugging yeah and how much he just hated it's not boston with his beard and after 22 years ray bork it's not quite how they said it is it so i want to play this video

for you this comes from galveston texas and it's our favorite favorite video clips thus far this year it's a local news guy i believe his name is james jordan he's got a bit of an affected delivery almost like a 1980s radio jock from the radio on the radio coming at you through the speakers anyway he's talking about galveston texas now you know they do things a bit differently in texas steve bigger i think this illustrates how differently they do things in texas because when we're talking about texas we talk about everything's big we talk about everybody parties harder and we talk about bigger parties we talk about this party specifically it is called the topless jeep beach party so you made that up no you get your jeep you take the top off the jeep i'm

assuming other people take their tops off as well and they all party on the beach now in galveston and texas i believe as a whole they've just opened up all the beaches however social distancing is still encouraged now at the at the time of this of this this report remember this is halfway through the weekend this guy's doing this on like a saturday night he's doing this report the previous night steve 60 plus people were arrested and he'll mention that in the report why i'm gonna tell you the number of the amount of people that were arrested on the Saturday night after you watch this report.

And we're going to have to do a few stop starts, but not too many because you got to hear this. So let's go ahead, Jesse, with the audio. After several weeks of being stuck inside, thousands have flocked here to Bolivar Peninsula to make the most of their time while out. I've been in quarantine, and, like, I need to get out and party. Woo!

Go Topless Jeep Weekend. What's better than beach and a few drinks and Jeeps? Man, getting better than that. In full swing at Beaches on Bolivar Peninsula. This event comes at a time where beaches across the state are reopening following the coronavirus pandemic. And beachgoers like Chelsea Collier are still taking precautions to stay safe. Wash them hands for 20 seconds and keep them clean with their Germ-X. Totally. Asher's GoTown was a bit chaos erupted.

About 80 people were arrested. Six people were taken to the hospital. But this go-round, the Galveston County Sheriff's Office has enlisted the help of 40 DPS troopers. Come down and have a good time. If you have a good time, there's no issues. But when you start acting silly, like the sheriff said on a previous interview, we've got a jail that's got a whole lot of empty holes. The Sheriff's Office have made at least 63 arrests so far in connection to Jeep Weekend. As for the enforcement of social distancing, they say it's challenging to enforce.

I mean, you can't. It's just, it's not possible to do that on this beach with the amount of people that we have here. It's just, we can't do that. The additional presence of law enforcement has been a welcoming sight for beachgoers, given the history of this event. Law enforcement has definitely made their visitability and made people chill out and not be as crazy. The cops are doing their job as long as they don't be mean to people who are actually being innocent. then i'm all gravy baby and if you missed out on today's festivities you can come out tomorrow like the galveston county sheriff office says so i don't know if you caught this but last year steve at this big party 80 people were arrested and at the time he was reporting this 63 people

had been arrested okay that night after he does the report 120 more people were arrested oh my and two of them went to hospital and then went to jail because they shot each other what it's it's the most texas thing and the best part about that clip for me is like what are you gonna do about the social distancing the cops like it's just not even possible we're just not even gonna try it's just we can't i mean i appreciated the honesty yeah you know what is it's refreshing isn't it but that is how like people say it's different in texas you know different dude that's a different place it's a different different ass place texas is just so different there was a word very early in in that uh report that caught my eye um following

the coronavirus pandemic no when you do something following something that thing is over it's not over yeah there's no phone here sir it's it's funny and you know the like if okay so you have to understand if you're listening to this and you're from the you're from near the area or whatever you you probably don't understand why this is so crazy to us but you have to understand that if there was ever an event where 80 people were arrested in toronto they they not only would the event never happen there would be a federal inquiry like it would just be it would be national news and this is just some like this is a local television station in galveston doing the report and it is just it's pandemonium it's wild there was an american american comedian on just for

laughs a comedy festival up here i don't know if it's in the states and uh he had this joke that was uh you know canada's cute you guys report all your murders yeah yeah it stuck with me um man man you know what adam i find it adorable that you're going oh that's so texas because you could you could be like this was in florida this was in i you know i had to pick on florida but this was in this was in this was in there's a there's a thousand places i'd believe you if you said it was there well at least at least someone somewhere is having a good time except for the guys that shot each other they're not no no no they're having a bad time they're having a bad time they're having a bad time listen man i uh i'm just uh i'm exhausted being mad so i

just gotta laugh like why would you get mad at that why would i exactly exactly like everyone's like why aren't you and i'm like well what are you what are you gonna do change hearts and minds at this point for no they're gonna let them go to the beach they're gonna do what they're gonna do I said it two months ago. People didn't get it. You get it now? People are going to do what they're going to do. No, and Steve will be at home with his dolls.

I'll be at home with my dolls. You got a lot of them behind you. Listen, they looked like they were having a great time. They had a fantastic time. Anyway, we thought we would play that for you. It's just the best clip ever. The best news. That's the best two minutes of news I've ever seen, ever.

Do you think local news people know? Like, when they're about to go viral, like, oh, this is going to get picked up everywhere. I don't think so. Not there. He knew. That guy knew. I don't think so. Look at the look on his face.

He knew. I don't think so. He was jacked. He was jacked to be there, for sure. He got great clips from the beach. Great clips. He interspersed them properly, whatever. And then, like, it's just the story carries it, though.

The story's nuts. It's just crazy. And he nonchalantly mentions that 80 people are arrested. Like, that's the part that kills me. every character is like a a character from reno 911 yeah every one of them yeah oh god that's a great clip jesse you're gonna watch that a thousand times questions for us now we're good to go all right so we will be back on sunday actually yes we will be back sunday um we do have a bit of a wonky week next week we're gonna still do our wednesday show uh but uh my daughter's uh birthday

is on that weekend so i'm gonna be uh i may have to may have to shuffle the schedule a little bit so once the three of us figure that out we'll let you know the dates uh it won't it won't be more than like a day late or whatever but we'll just sort it out and let you know thank you so much for watching hopefully my next episode we'll get some sort of announcement from the nhl to say here's what we're attempting to do we have the nba it just came out is gonna make an announcement on june 1st about things uh getting going so we'll see that so hopefully the nhl is around the same time yep here's how great the great thing about announcements that are 10 days in the future is in 10 days nothing can change we'll see you next time we love you thanks so much

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