The Steve Dangle Podcast - Golf | August 15, 2018

Episode Date: August 15, 2018

On this episode, David Poile is a genius, Josi signs a Ryan Ellis signs an extension in Nashville (00:00), Andrej Sekera will be out for 6 months (18:00), the Coyotes sign Christian Dvorak and who will miss and make the playoff next season (27:00), Mark Hunter made himself the GM of his own team (57:00), Larkin re-signs in Detroit (1:05:00), Bergevin will attend Pacioretty's golf tourney (1:17:00), and the press conference; Adam Wylde hosts the morning show on the Fan 590 and Scotiabank Arena (1:32:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.D.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Let it be known right here, right now, that as it stands, there is no better general manager in the entire National Hockey League than David Poyle. Yeah! He is the best GM right now. He's the best cupless GM. He is the best cupless GM.

Oh, wow. Wow. Firestarter right here, man. That's mean. I'm a Leafs fan. Come on, that Ryan Ellis contract is sweet. You know how many Predators fans are just, That's the Leafs fan!

Piece of crap! It's August, don't think I won't yell at you! Is it David Poyle, or is it Mark Bergevin for helping build that team? Oh, good point. Good point. Should we not be giving Bergevin all the credit? Should we be keeping track of all the cities we're pissing off as we go? So this is why I like Jesse

That's what someone said You know what Arizona sucks too Every episode You mean the state Or the team Every damn episode No no no

The state's great I love the state The coyotes Yeah Guys Like We just We go through phases

Okay And for a while All the Canucks fans Were like man Can you give it a rest Oilers fans Oh don't worry Canucks fans We'll come back

Yeah No it was we took a break when they were good and we're like hey this is great and they were like hey fuck you

hey wow you guys are doing great what do you know piece of crap we don't need an eastern Toronto asshole telling us we're grud we're good

yeah grud we're great and good grud how does this affect the Leafs how does it well here's the thing it affects the Leafs

because now we can't we can't sign him we can't say Ryan Ellis' beard will come to Toronto now from what I've heard about Ryan Ellis he's a really quiet guy

and has zero interest in being around the media so kind of makes sense that a guy like that maybe wouldn't want to be here so he plays in the league's

loudest arena yeah but it also makes sense that he would want to stay in Nashville because look at how great they are and that is

I mean he an 8 year 50 million dollar contract means that his average cap hit is going to be 6.25 million dollars for a right handed

shot defenseman starting next year yeah as well sorry like he's making 2.5 million

this coming season yeah I didn't realize That's insane. Was that a Tim and Sid graphic? It was. Did you make that graphic? No, that's our font board. Is that his name?

Font board? Font board guy. Font board. Neil is his name. Okay. Yeah, so. But under $20 million, the Preds will be spending on Ellis, Elkhorn, Yossi, and Subban this season. Wow.

And 23 next million. 23 million next year. Yeah. Actually, I have the graphic right here. Which is still great. Oh, here it is. Yeah, yeah. So it's 19.25 this year.

Yossi 4 Subban 9 Ellis 2.5 Ekholm 3.75 and next season it'll be the same except Ellis will increase to 6.25

and that'll be a 23 million dollar cap on those four stud defensemen so he's gonna get close to a 4 million dollar raise they're still gonna be at just 23

for those four really good defensemen yeah it's a little I mean listen I don't know if David I mean David Poyle obviously has some

responsibility in terms of them winning a cup or not winning a cup but show me a GM that's made better solid moves in the last five years. Like honestly He's consistently making the Preds better or keeping the band together. When they got to the finals

the big knock against them was they didn't have any centers because. Well they got hurt. Yeah exactly. But you go into it now you've got Ryan Johansson locked up to a good deal. You've got Kyle tourists who you just randomly stole. Like, it was a little like... Randomly stole. Like, the second

that he left Ottawa, they tanked. They were somewhat in it. They were in it enough to go after Matt Duchesne. Well, I also didn't realize how good of a season Matt Duchesne had because of the terrible start he had in Ottawa. And then all the games he did well in, like, were useless.

But he had a 27-goal season. Oh, yeah. I did not realize that. Matt Duchesne's a good hockey player. He certainly is. So imagine how bad the rest that the Sens are. Now we're on the Sens. No, let's stay on the Preds for a minute. Like, I just, I don't know,

if you're in the West, are you just a little, like, if your team's in the West and you're not a Preds fan, you're a little frustrated right now. Like, come on. Who's not? Somebody's, this has got to,

somebody's got to leave, right? Well, who's not looking forward to Preds Jets again in the second round next year? That's what it's going to be. Come on. It's going to be amazing. It was, it was,

What was a better series, these playoffs, than that? And it went the full seven, didn't it? That was a great series. The Golden Knights Caps series. Not Golden Knights Caps. The Golden Knights Caps was good for a five game. I meant Columbus Caps. I don't know why I said Golden Knights Caps.

It was good, but it's so hard to pay attention to every series in the first round. Yes, but I think it was a great series. And especially because the turning point came in, what, was it double or triple overtime in game three? I want to say double. Like, that was the, you know, that's cool. That's unbelievable. They almost went down three games to nothing.

We've already talked about that. Do you want me to ask Steve on the show what I was asking before in the group chat? Please do. You're weird. Like, where does this come from? I don't know. I just thought of it. Okay.

Is there four guys on a different team that you would take over these four on Nashville? That's a good question. You said you would rather have Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Taveras than Yossi, Ekholm, Subban, and what would I say? What would I just not say? Ellis? Ellis. There you go.

Yeah, I would. You're probably wrong. No, I think they're better players. Like, in terms of, like, value, like, cap hit, like, okay. No, you're taking everything into consideration. Just who's better? It's 19.25 million, and the Leafs, whatever they signed Nylander at, with those other three guys.

Right, yeah, so if you're taking the cap hit into account, yeah. Still the Leafs, though, right now. Oh, it's a little bit hard to argue. Well, because it's going to, oh, yeah, before they get their raises. It'll still be less. Yeah, I mean, Marner and Matthews make $925,000. Yeah. There's still less.

But going forward, would you not rather have this team if you're trying to win a Stanley Cup this season? At that price? And then you build around those four instead of. Well, it's built around those four. I take those guys, I take the Leafs guys because they're our guys. They're our guys. They're my guys.

Those are my guys. How many superstars are in that group of four, though, out of Yossi, Subban, Ellis, and Ackholm? One. How many superstars? One. Yeah, there's one. Yossi.

Yossi is a very good player. He's not a superstar. I don't think he's a superstar. I wouldn't put him there yet. Not especially after last season. All of those are players you need. You're saying Subban is a superstar. He is.

He's on the second line. Second parent. Doesn't really matter. How much? It matters a little. Second parent, but where is he in terms of ice time? That I'd like to know. Fourth.

Is he, actually? I have no idea. You're full of crap. He's on the second bearing. I'm just assuming he's third or fourth. I'd still call him a superstar. Like, Tavares is going to be, what, are we just going to start calling Malkin and Tavares second liners now?

Strategically. Malkin is a second liner. Malkin is legit his entire career a second liner. He's a second line center. Except for when Crosby's hurt. Is Evgeny Malkin the best second line center ever? Yes. With Marc Messier.

Oh, God. That's a good point. Marc Messier, yeah. No, that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. Like, who would you rate as the best second-line centers ever? One of those two. Because it's got to be.

Who else would be on that list? Ron Francis. Ron Francis, for sure. Or maybe Yarmir Yager, when Lemieux was alive. Was he ever a center? Wasn't he? I think he was always wing. Oh, he was always wing?

Okay. It's an interesting-slash-stupid debate. Completely. It's perfect for... That'd be a great article. Perfect for... Yeah. Best second-line center ever.

Yeah, no, that'd be a great article. Just look at every team that has had two first-line centers, and there you go. Was Henri Richard a center? Oh boy now you're going because I think you're going if he was then he was the second guy, but that guy won 11 cups Yeah, like think about that. He played 20 years 11 of those. He wins the cup. That's not bad That's a good career. How mad was he when he didn't win like the years? He didn't win. Yeah He's like Thanos times two with the range man, like it's unbelievable things of Jerome McGinley

Wow Did he retire or did he have it handed to him? By the way, thank you for all the messages that people that loved that we were just screwing with Steve. I think a lot of people agreed with us. We were right. Somebody messaged me and asked if I had

conspired with you beforehand. Go ahead. And all I said to Jesse before we did that was, hey, I got something for Steve. Go with me. I didn't tell him what it was. I didn't tell him when it was coming up. It was just go with me.

And he did. Yeah, but I didn't have to go with something when you're like, hey, here's this right thing. Agree with me. He's still going with it. Yeah, I get it. Of course I'm going to agree with it. Funny, Jesse.

Still going with it. Still doing it. Are we still going with it? I'm just like, okay. What are we talking about? I think you've got guys, like, people are going to say, wow, Kyle Dubas. Kyle Dubas has been a general manager for about two minutes,

and he's done a pretty good job. Getting John Tavares, that's a pretty solid move. But David Poyle's been doing this forever. he's been doing this a long long time and if you look at this version

of the Nashville Predators they've been a solid team for a long time but this version of this team started to come together about five years ago well and they've

always sort of been an underachieving team like remember when they had like Suter Weber Suter Weber when they had Peter Forsberg yeah

Young Radulov like they've been David Legwand oh my god but they've had so many goes at it where you're like here it comes

And it never really came And then they finally went to the Stanley Cup Final Let me see here, there's Nashville And they could have just as easily gone last year Predators Imagine the Columbus Blue Jackets Your 2018 Stanley Cup Champions So I'm pulling up their

HockeyDB roster From 2012-2013 Here's what the team looked like 5 years ago And by the way I believe this was a playoff team as well They're usually in the playoffs Shea Weber, David Leguan, Mike Fisher, Martin Erat, Colin Wilson.

Martin Erat. Roman Yossi, who I believe that might have been his first year. Gabriel Bork, Sergei Kostitsyn, Patrick Kornquist, Kevin Kline, Nick Spalling, former Leaf great Nick Spalling, Craig Smith, Rich Kloon, Brandon Yip, Taylor Beck, Jonathan Blum, Ryan Ellis, Chris Mueller. Like this, parts of this team, major parts of the team, Austin Watson, Philip Forsberg Pecorine

Scott Hann and Matthias Ekholm like three of the four defensemen that we mentioned are still on the team like three of the four of those top four like this is

what I was keeping count for was you named like one or two players who I recognized you had to go further down the list and I guess that was the year they traded

Erat for Forsberg then I think so if they both played on the same team that must have been that was the year and that was a hell of a trade

it was pretty good but this is what I'm talking about right Like, where are the Predators without one of those moves? Where are they without Subban? I mean, they still have Weber, but Weber's out until December. So that's a big hit. Even, like, drafting the goalie of the future in UC Soros.

Ekholm, I don't even know how they got. I think he was a drafted player, too. They just, their losses are few. Except in the playoffs. Yep. Which sounds dry, but, I mean, it's true. I mean, and they're also directly responsible for the Blackhawks making the biggest blunder, I think, in the last 24 months in the NHL, which is the trading of Artemi Panarin. That is unquestionably the worst trade since Subban for Weber.

It worked out poorly. It's the worst trade since that. Imagine getting Brandon Sod and somehow screwing up a trade. Right, and Brandon Sod's great. That's a decent player, man. But come on. And that little shot I took at Poyle earlier is obviously in jest. All a general manager can do is put you in arm's reach of the thing.

And does he not do that? And there's just too many factors that a GM has no control, well, very little control of. Yep. Puck bounces, ref decisions, injuries. Like injuries, you can only prepare so much. like we all agree that Tampa is like

one of the deepest teams out there if not the deepest and a couple years ago they sustained so many injuries that they missed the playoffs yeah

by one stinking point but they did they missed the playoffs and now they're so stacked yeah it's not even fair that they got to draft that high and and do all that

it's amazing it's amazing so did you I should have sent this before the show but speaking of like ref decisions

and all that Did you see the Gretzky-Helinka? Oh, sorry. In the shortened year, somehow they missed the playoffs. Sorry. Shortened year, they missed the playoffs. I'm talking and listening here. Sorry, my bad.

What's going on? I just wanted to say, I wanted to correct my mistake. Gretzky-Helinka what? The tournament. Did I see any of it? International? No. Did you see what happened, though?

It's not usually a tournament that I would watch. I think it's either under 18 or under 17. Canada's won like 19 in the last 21. Specifically very niche tournament. I know. yeah but anyway so niche that they put gretzky's name on there because what the fuck well yeah it used to just be the ivan helenka i think i don't know where gretzky got involved but anyway it's the gretzky helenka and canada's playing the states it's a crazy back and forth game uh every

puck is going in some of the goals are nuts someone scored the michigan goal where they scoop up the puck and there are all these other crazy dangling goals the states are up on canada 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Canada takes a shot It goes in You can see 0.3 seconds left 0.2 seconds left

0.1 seconds left 0.0 0 Time's up Puck's not in yet Then the puck goes in There was some sort of shenaniganery Where the tournament was held in two different places

It was held in Red Deer and in Edmonton and but and Edmonton had video replay capability That's why Gretzky's name was added to it. Oh, maybe That makes sense Edmonton had video replay capability Red Deer did not so to make it even they made it so that they couldn't use video replay For this call. So they call it as a goal. Call it a goal. Oh Canada wins in overtime. Oh and goes on to win the gold medal against Sweden. That's bullshit.

Wow. So America got screwed? Oh, they got jobbed. Yeah, yeah. Oh, they got totally jobbed. That countdown was the end of the game. The game was over. Oh, that's...

The puck wasn't in the net. Game's over, man. Oh, wow. I had no idea any of this happened. Yeah, I was just... It was like in the middle of my Twitter boycott. And like I was just looking it up on Instagram. I'm like, wait, sorry, what happened?

I'm like, oh, that's so sick that they scored right at the buzzer. And then I watched the whole pack on YouTube. I'm like, oh, I didn't realize the States got ripped off. So why would they make that decision that because Red Deer doesn't have video replay, they can't use it in Edmonton as well? Why be twice as wrong? Why be twice as unsure?

You're asking me why a tournament named after a guy I don't know anything about that added a name of the biggest I think is a important person I don't remember I'm not gonna lie so don't like

don't pretend that you know anything about Ivan Holinka you're right so fine okay and I'm sure there's gonna be hockey people out there who are like it's a big tournament

just so sad that I don't know who Ivan Holinka is sorry I don't dude it's a big tournament okay it's a big tournament but the point I'm trying to make is you're telling me a tournament

if you make the Ivan Holinka team or whatever yes it's great it's an honor you have an extraordinarily good chance of making the world junior tournament

you're telling me That the Ivan Holenka tournament Which randomly added the name Gretzky to it For no reason Might be a bit unprepared for things You're telling me the tournament We're just going to add We're also going to add Michael Jordan's name to this

No there has to be a better reason than that LeBron James Ivan Holenka, Wayne Gretzky Steph Curry Shooting threes in your eyeball Arena for hockey excellence You can't tell Are you new

To this hockey thing Listen When do they do anything prepared Hockey When do they ever go This could present a problem Hockey's consistently The craziest

Dumbest sport I know that Like Brad Hall Scored an illegal goal But because they'd already Fired off the confetti They gave the Dallas Stars

The cup anyway Despite the fact That they pulled back Like a hundred goals That year for foot In the crease violations And it was so embarrassing For them

That they changed the rule The next year So it wasn't the same It was people who I keep forgetting that it's 2018 and a lot of people

listening to the show weren't even friggin born in 99 hockey was so effing ridiculous it was the most comparable season

to last season in like the 90s I would say was 99 because every single goal that went in last season and in 99

I'm like maybe they'll call it back like it was weird it was weird to get too worked up about a goal against or for like positively or negatively

because you're like I might just get called back for reasons that there were so many goals where I watched and I went I don't know actually this season was worse

because you just go I don't know it's disappointing whereas in 99 you could actually see the toe in the crease imagine there's a home run in baseball

and you don't know if it's a home run which does happen from time to time but every home run oh right yeah every single one

I'm not really sure I don't know I just don't know that sucks imagine and I don't know if there's like a bearable in basketball

because basketball is pretty clear cut there are some fouls and stuff where you're like what the hell but if you were to fire off like an incredible shot and every single time

they're like we're gonna have to look at it well that's that's the trade-off is hockey you might get a questionable penalty call every game basketball

it's like every foul is pretty questionable every time like I watch and I go it's probably just because I'm not like the biggest basketball fan

but then I listen to the commentators and they're all like I don't know about that every single call every single call I feel like it should be a rule in basketball

where the refs should be at least as tall as the players cause like you look at these refs and they are like okay it sounds ridiculous

but you look at the refs and they're like 5'11 and then like the players on the court are like 6'10 to 7' something you're ruling out 5'11 is pretty generous how are you gonna see that

you're ruling out a lot of humans if they have to be the same size but you're missing a lot of calls if they're not the same size maybe they should be

wearing VR goggles what is it give them a camera angle If you're an American and you're seven feet tall or taller, Not seven foot. No, no, no. If you're an American and you're seven feet tall or taller, you have like a 15% chance of playing in the NBA.

Something like that. Are you serious? There's something along those lines. Just learn to dribble. I would think it would be better than that. Like how many seven foot people are there on earth? Not many. Yeah, so I think it's better than 15%.

Check it out. I don't know. Check it out. It also might just be one of those things I read and it's totally false. No, I don't know if Google will find that out. That's like, today there was that HF Boards rumor about Andre Sequeira. I have no idea what you're talking about. I sent it in the Facebook.

I know, I'm just being a dick. And everyone's like, yeah, let's trust HF Boards. And then, like, within the hour, the Oilers responded, like, by the way, Andre Sequeira's out six months. And everyone's like, oh, shit. Yeah, well, that was going to be my second topic. The first link on Google proves that Steve is incorrect and I am right. Wait, are you saying 10% to 70% of bridges in America are not going down? I mean, you're right.

You didn't take a stance on this. I took a stance. You're always wrong. Oh, well, that's fair. Busting the myth that 70% of American seven-footers play in the NBA. Every once in a while, the article by Pablo S. Torrey, where he claims that there is a 17% chance to make the NBA as an American seven-footer, gets posted on a default subreddit where it usually gets upvoted to the top.

The frustrating thing is that every time the comment section will be filled with uninformed people who use this made-up number to make absurd claims such as this proves that you don't need much skill for basketball, only height. Another ridiculous stuff. So when yet another one of these posts was made, yesterday I sat down and decided to do some research. I used basketball reference to see how many seven-footers there are in the NBA right now. The problem is that basketball reference used their official list of height, as we know, blah, blah, blah. Roy Hibbert, blah, blah. Torrey bases his calculation on estimate by the CDC that there are no more than 77 footers

between the ages of 20 and 40 in the U.S. Going by these numbers, including Aaron Gray, the chance of making the NBA as an American 7-footer would be 2.8%. That's still crazy high. Yeah, but 15 to 2.8 is a pretty big difference. Still learn to dribble. Still learn to dribble.

Yeah. If you're 7-footers. Still learn. Still learn. Make the effort. Could be millions of dollars. It's a good investment. Practice your footwork.

Yeah, like, avoid math class. Work on your jams. Yeah, no, you should take your studies super seriously. Yeah. If you're a university athlete. Actually, yeah. Yeah. Actually, you probably should.

Yeah, I mean, absolutely you should. I know the stereotype is, oh, school's a joke. Like, you know, you're just going to play pro, but, like, you could be setting yourself up for, like, another cool career. I would maybe probably take it seriously. Andre Sequeira will be out for six months. He was out for six months last year, notably, as well. Played 38 games with the Edmonton Oilers.

I believe he had eight points, and all of them were assists. Now, what was interesting about last year, and we talked about this on the show, was that most of the blame for the Oilers' slow start was put on Andre Sequeira not playing. And I'm just wondering, when they start slow this year, are they going to blame the same person not being there? Well, no, because the tweet right before the Oilers talked about

Sakara being out Oscar Klefbaum Is for the first time In like three years I guess Healthy At a hundred percent Good for him

Good Good for him So And somehow they managed Not to trade him For less value This summer Exactly

And no pun intended Well can you imagine If they traded him now They need him now More than ever But no pun intended There's going to be A lot of weight

On his shoulders With Andre Sakara out I wonder Because apparently He injured it In training Yes His Achilles

In training the thing that they haven't said is when and that could have happened at any point over the summer and talking to a source that we have they said

there's a chance that the Oilers held this information for a while and then the hockey boards broke it and then they had to come out with it as in they were waiting now I don't know that for sure but it seems a little strange that this rumor pops up today

now that could have been someone within the Oilers office leaking it because maybe they just found out about it today maybe it happened last week who knows in which case the Oilers still have a leaky ship because I mean how did hockey boards know before we did

yeah how would you hear about that I mean that's someone who's a friend of a friend but that's still a leaky ship right and that's big news I do find it very very interesting that this came out today Like why today Well and also

The Montreal Canadiens thing Where oh Well we'll get to that Yeah We'll get to that It is No it's It's clearly in direct response

To HF boards Which means the Oilers Are reading HF boards Well it went viral It went viral Everyone All There's nothing to talk about

In hockey And all of Hockey went What What Andre Zaccaro's What What

I was just thinking today Right before that happened I never know Like we I mean the Oilers are a frequent punching bag and they got some holes but

McDavid McDavid man he has another healthy year MVP year would anyone be shocked if he somehow found a way

to break 130 points no I can't wait for it I look forward to that I look forward to it too I can't wait for him to just light people up like except for the Leafs

I think the salary cap era record was Joe Thornton with I want to say a buck 20 I think it was 128

eight. Ovechkin might have beaten it once. That's amazing. Crosby might have beaten it once. It's incredibly hard to do and McDavid could do it in his third slash fourth full season. It's hard to count the first one because of the collarbone thing. And he was playing with Ben

Wapulia and now Yakupov. Yeah. The McYakupov line. McYakupov line, which was so good. It was a good line. It was so good. You know, injuries are funny. I mean, obviously it's on the team to announce whatever they want. I wonder

if they were trying to deal him? Well, no, you can't deal him. If you dealt him and you didn't tell the team, first off, he'd never pass the physical. Second, there would be, I mean, you can get penalized for that. That's a big... He wouldn't be able to pass the physical.

I think it's not an option. Maybe not him. They were trying to do other moves. They were trying to make another move, and this affects the trade value of whatever their move was, if they were hiding it. And we don't have any confirmation that they were. But it seems a little weird that hockey boards Would have it And then boom

Yeah Maybe it's the sort of thing That hurts Would that hurt ticket sales? Like early season Ticket sales No This is Edmonton

They're hockey mad man Yeah Come on Yeah wait a sec They were selling Standing room seats Yeah Like in the hallway

Oh no I forgot about that And you know what All they need is really Cam Talbot to stand On his head again Be a bit better Than last year

They'll be fine Do they have a backup goalie now? Who's their goalie? It's that guy from the KHL Oh Mikko Koskinen $2.5 million for a guy they've never seen in the NHL I don't know Long time ago

There was a couple moves that happened right after we recorded the show last week that I want to talk about The first one got no play because it comes from the team that quote, Jesse thinks sucks And that is the Arizona Coyotes Which move is this?

Exactly. Think about it What did the Arizona Coyotes do within the past week? The OEL extension? No, they haven't done that. I don't think that's been signed. That's not even been signed yet. Yeah, it's been signed. It's done.

Oh. Jacob Chickard. No. No. Christian Dvorak. Bingo. Christian Dvorak extension. Got it.

Christian Dvorak. I do remember this now. Six-year extension. $26.7 million. It carries a $4.45 million cap hit. Now, what's interesting about this is They obviously see Dvorak as a guy that's going to really break out. Well, he had a crazy junior career with Mr. Mitch Marner.

But he has, in the last two seasons, had 33 and 37 points respectively. I don't hate that deal. I don't hate it either. All I'm saying is, interesting. Yeah. You're betting on him to be better. If you're going to take a bet, I'd take a bet. They have to spend some money on their own players,

not on Pavel Daksut's contract. They could actually, you know. I don't think they paid Pavel Daksut. No, they paid him zero actual dollars. And now I think we're going to get Caps fans going, well, what the hell? The Capitals are paying Tom Wilson on what they predict him to be, but I think the difference is Wilson is a center,

and he's played two seasons. And also a child. Yeah. Whereas Wilson is well into his NHL career. Well, well into his NHL career and Dvorak. Yeah, I don't hate that. I don't like it It's also what I don't hate it by the way. I just find it. I found that one funny I was like that is a weird. That's a weird contract. How did you come to that? Well think about it 4.4 when when when when chronic when Connor Brown's a 34 point guy and he gets 2 million

Now Christian Dvorak's a center, but is that really worth 2 million more? Tell me the difference Connor Brown's had 20 goal a 20 goal season Christian Dvorak has not I think you just have to spend money if you're like who are you giving your cap space to if you're not going to just

pay your own guys that's what you have to do because you're not going to go out and sign free agents there's nobody

available who's coming there totally and the obvious comparable which I don't think is fair

is Nazem Khadri but Nazem Khadri is on a deal that you'll never see again for a guy that could you'll never

see that again it's not going to happen there were special circumstances surrounding that yeah I mean you

will see it again it'll just take similar circumstances totally yeah a guy that's

you know for a garbage team for a couple years and you're projected to be really good and then you end up being really good. This is a guy

that's never scored over 37 points in a year. Do you give $4.4 million in that much term to a guy? But if he ends up being like a second line center, which I don't think would be a shock to anybody,

that's a great number. Sure is. And then it's Kadri all over again. Sort of. And it's different. Do we know if Dvorak played center last season?

Because he's a wing, right? And a center? I don't. He plays left? I believe he's a center. Don't remember. Yeah. They struggled.

I don't know how many minutes he spent at center. I don't even know how to look that up. I know people do. Yeah. But. Well, and a lot of times it's just listed wrong anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. So why are you upset at the Tom Wilson contract but not at this one? Because Wilson's significantly older. And he's a winger. And also. Okay. What is two years is significantly older? Tom Wilson is 24.

He's 24. That's four years, isn't it? No, Christian DeVore is 22. Oh, he's older than Marner? Yeah, he's 2014. He's a Nylander draft. Oh, okay. So, what is your argument? Well, in two years,

what's Wilson's career high again? Are we really bringing this up again? No, you brought it up. You said that this is the terrible contract. Okay, Wilson makes more. Sure, he makes a million dollars more. And he's won a cup. That's a lot more.

Tom Wilson has played 391 career games. And he's won a cup. Shut up. Tom Wilson has played 391 career games He has 35 goals Thank you Christian Dvorak has 30 And 156

Yes See Jesse Now it's not all about goals The comparison is not there The entire game of hockey Isn't all about goals At boys

And if he If he is a center though Like a full time center Or will end up being A full time center Let's say Even if it's not a steal It's better than that

On a good team Four million dollars For your third line center Isn't bad Like look at what Look at what Tyler Bozak's Making with St. Louis Right

and would you say that they overpaid for him maybe a little how much does Bozak make in the St. Louis 5 million for the next 3 years I would say

yes but they're also yes but they're now the St. Louis Blues you know what I mean like do you hate Tyler Bozak at 5 million no

absolutely not I don't love it but I love their team what do we have him at 4-2 so I guess I do we had him at 4-2 last year

what's the difference 800 grand daily faceoff does have Dvorak listed as the third line center on the Coyotes and what do you have

Stepon, Galch, and Dvorak that's not bad Dvorak's matchups are going to be a lot easier this year if he's the third line guy Stepon's going to have a bounce back year for sure and I feel like man I feel like Galch is just going to break out like

even if Galch you start if Stepon is your number one guy right and then you put Galch at number two I think Galch is going to score another 30 goals this year they remind me a little bit of the Sabres which usually is not a compliment but in this rare situation this rare

summer it is because the Sabres had so much turnover the Coyotes added yeah Galch is a big ad Vince Henestros is a big ad they'll add Dylan Strom who will hopefully be a full-time NHLer and good because he killed it in the AHL Michael Grabner was an addition the Vorak's gonna take a step their defense is still

really good if it's healthy Fancy Ranta stays established yeah I don't hate the Coyotes no

oh no no no no they're gonna be they're gonna be a good team yeah they'll be decent and I with when you get

when you get like I mean if you look at the back half of the year last year yeah like Francisco Aquilini if you look at our last 10 games

if you look at 1 8th of our season we did a great job in that 1 8th Jeremy Williams is the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs Ian White

will be the captain Colin Greening Half a point per game Colin Greening No but The Coyotes Were like One of the top

Fifteen best teams In the back half Oh I think it was higher The Coyotes make Man the Coyotes make The playoffs too How do they not Let's look at the West

How do they not Easily It's the NHL It's too even But seriously They should be in contention They should not suck Hey there's another discussion

Who should suck Who should suck Yeah who should suck Vancouver should definitely suck I'm not sold on Edmonton I do think they're gonna make the playoffs but I'm not sold I think they gotta prove it

I think that's fair I think the Ducks are gonna they might struggle I know Kessler was online remember when he was like chirping at Ryan Johansson for no reason what was that on Twitter

I meant to bring that up a couple weeks ago and he was just like I'll meet you in the parking lot Ryan you can't walk you might miss the season what are you talking about you're injured you're 34 it's the summer

man go do something else go do anything other than what you're doing like go don't be like he's so lucky Alex Burrows was on the Canucks

like he is so lucky Alex Burrows made him millions of dollars cause he's so unlikable like are you kidding like seriously also Kessler was a fantastic player

oh he was phenomenal yeah no no no listen I'm not talking about his play yeah but is anybody like oh I get the warm and fuzzies when I think about Ryan Kessler

Right, right like imagine if Kadri were to ever leave the Leafs. You'd have to hate him. People would be like wait a sec I hate Hyman Wait, I didn't realize Well, I can't stand Kasperi Kapanen, but like just because Kadri's there he just absorbs it all. When Marchand leaves the Bruins I hate David Bacchus Yeah, wait a sec. David Bacchus can't really play anymore. So he just swings elbows at people I mean really He had a good playoff

I thought Well sorry He had a good He had a good power play Against the Leafs That one time He destroyed Ron Hainsey A couple times

Literally just that Oh he went after The 37 year old man Hey Who the Leafs Played Friggin Every penalty kill

Um Anyway Long story short Who's gonna suck In the West Let's go Who's gonna suck In the West

Oh we moved away From Tom Wilson's contract Is alright Oh did you want No, it's not. You argue that it's alright. You're making me do arguments that I've already done. You argue that it's good.

He will prove that it's a good contract these coming seasons under the contract. Cool. And now the discussion's over because you're like, well, Steve, we'll find out. Also, it doesn't matter. They won the cup.

You're right. That's right. The goal is to win the cup once. Just one before I die. Well, they got it. Yep. Now, okay. All right.

So, of the non-playoff teams in the Western Conference, St. Louis, Dallas, Calgary, Edmonton, Chicago, Vancouver, Arizona. St. Louis didn't make it. Yeah, because they finished just a Colorado edge of the melt. They finished one point out of the playoffs despite trading Paul Stastny. Wow. Yeah, selling at the deadline for a second straight year. Pretty amazing.

Wow. Of those teams, who will remain down? Say them again. St. Louis, Dallas, Calgary, Edmonton, Chicago, Vancouver, Arizona. I think you see L.A. fall. They're adding Kovalchuk. They added Kovalchuk and Budai. Yeah, Peter Budai.

Who are combined 486 years old. Yeah, I've dug the L.A. Kings out of the side of the pyramid in Giza. They're so old. They are old. But they've been there in their grizzly. Yeah, I can't believe Budai's still in the NHL Backup goalies man With pedigree. Wasn't not a good pedigree like look out Kerry Lettinen is still playing. Yeah, or was anyway Making five million bucks. I think his deals up. Is he still a free agent? I think he is. I think he is

Yeah, I don't agree. I think he's gonna remain a free agent. I don't remember. Anyway, I mean anti-rant, not anti-rant Um, Niemi was playing. The only team I'm really confident betting against is is probably excuse me is probably the Canucks. What has Chicago done this offseason? Nothing.

Nothing. I've seen a lot of rumors like I follow Blackhawk up on Twitter they're great guys. It's a lot of rumors like the biggest rumor for Chicago this summer

is Artemi Panarin would consider a return. Well so yeah if they sign the check but they have no money left for him. If it happens Oh I had a great time

in Chicago I won a few cups there well that's great and you won rookie of the year that's great Of course he would have considered a return. How are you going to give Patrick Kane half of Patrick Kane's salary to him?

Or more. The one argument I would make for Chicago, oh, the big thing against them, though, is Corey Crawford is still a question mark. Oh, yeah. That's brutal. I think Chicago's, no, I think Chicago remains out of the playoffs.

Yeah. If Seabrook has a bit of a bounce-back season, and Keith, I'm confident, will have a bounce-back season, didn't he we had a bit on the podcast didn't he have as many even strength points

as Roman Polak last year yeah it's unbelievable he'll have a bounce back I think he'll have a bounce back year and if they do then Chicago's got a fighting chance

but I don't like him very much so look at some of these playoff teams Nashville, Winnipeg, Vegas Minnesota, Anaheim San Jose, Los Angeles Colorado

of those teams that I just named I don't I and these two teams are 101 point teams just behind the Leafs

I'm not confident that Minnesota's a good team next year I'm not confident Eric Stahl is an 80 point player anymore

wow yeah I forgot about that crazy season he had I am not confident in the Anaheim Ducks I've already mentioned that it's all on John

Gibson like it really is and you know what he's proven that he can't so I don't think that there's any sort of

like he just signed that extension I get that that's cool he'll be there for nine more years because he's got

it doesn't kick in until after next season but like no Kessler got good good defense core yep you've got the ghost

of Corey Perry Ryan Getzlaff is still a great player like if you can offload if Anaheim offloads their coach and Corey Perry's

contract to Arizona because that's where it's going then I'm like okay Anaheim's turning it around wouldn't you? I don't think

he's playing in Arizona I listen because listen Arizona I like that let's revisit that if Arizona gets better

and they become this playoff contending team and they're not playing to the they're not spending the cap we know that but when do they grow out of this

why would you keep doing it well if you don't have to pay them any money like yeah I agree that Corey Perry is not going to Arizona

because he's not so bad that he's out of the league he's not LTIR he's just not worth 8 mil or whatever it is that he's making

yeah whatever It's a lot of money. Well, and at the time, it was worth it. I mean, he was scoring 50 goals a year at a certain point, right? But in the last two seasons, Corey Perry has had... He won the heart. He's still, you know, he's still a 50-point player. But for the last four seasons, 55, 62, 53, 49.

That's not an $8 million player. No. And especially the last two seasons, 19 goals and 17 goals. Previous seasons, he at least had over 30. He must have had a hot second back, second half. Because I remember he started so slow He had like two goals at Christmas Or something like that

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else Fairness to Corey Perry There were times where he looked like the best player in the league The series against Edmonton Yeah, he was like a phenomenal hockey player But I think there's either a steep drop off there Or there's going to be some crazy resurgence from him Well, you play the style of play that he does

You're going to wear down Yeah, and he has been playing since 05-06 Look at Kessler too Those are hard miles, man. It's amazing that noted amazing player Jerome McGinley played for as long as he did because he played that hard miles style. Noted by who? Noted by NHL insider Steve Dangle.

Debatable. Sportsnet NHL insider Steve Dangle. Do you know who posted that? I don't. Who wrote that board? Do you? No. I would love to know.

I'll tell you what day it happened, I can tell you. Like, I don't even know where they got that picture. Like, we have pictures on file. That's not even our picture. No, that's the one on file. That is not the one on file. But they don't own that, and I told them that. Like, I messaged them.

I'm like, by the way, that's not your photo. Here's some you can use, but please stop using that. I look like a child. I look like an old child. Okay, look at this. So, Corey Perry. Oh, yeah. Corey Perry.

I was wrong about Corey Perry. He makes way more than I thought. $8.625 million. Oh! Ryan Kessler or sorry Ryan Getzlaff 8.25

2.5 yeah so between those two last year Steve how many goals did they have between the two 35

35 the actual answer is 28 no for 16 million dollars between Perry and Getzlaff or 17 million yeah

combined how many games did they play now so that's the interesting part Ryan Getzlaff played 56 games had 61 points

now 50 assists that's good okay No, no, no, no, he's real good. He had a good playmaking season. And you know what? That will be his future. I don't think he's going to be a big goal scorer. He might be a 25, 30 goal guy, which is still

big enough. Well, Joe Thornton, for most of his career, he was a playmaker, but he could chip in 25, 30 goals. And 70 million assists. Now he became this thing where he's just like, alright, all I do is pass. Which is fine. Well, Getzloff's never been a big goal scorer.

Yeah, but he's a guy that could get you 25 goals. The last three years though 13, 15, 11 yeah but you don't call it 25 goals score a big goals score

okay you can score enough consistent goals consistent I guess 13, 15, 11 I don't care I mean like the sun is

the sun is setting on those two players sure now they are still good players yes we're not saying that they're not

I'm not saying that they're not but when you have seven you have almost the Preds entire defensive core

wrapped up in those two guys money-wise 17 million for them 19 million for the Preds next season oh you're not two guys

you're not including Kessler no I'm not even including Kessler who had because he'll be LTIR right yeah oh yeah at least for this upcoming season he has to be

so okay then Adam is this fair to say and by the way Ryan Kessler eight goals last year in 44 games six assists so is this fair to say then

maybe the Ducks should load up their big boys are old well they got the LTIR right yeah maybe maybe it's the I'm just not I'm not I mean they've got some really great young players. I can't Fowler's gotta have a bounce back here So you load up maybe a little bit and then you retool You retool over there not a rebuild team for sure, but I just think this not rebuild retool. Yeah

For sure. I think maybe that's fair the West the West is It's got the really good teams. It's got the dog pile and then the only team I'm really comfortable writing off is Vancouver yeah really yeah they are they're losing both Sedins I don't hate this talk like I don't think

we're putting enough emphasis on that well it's 100 points right yeah well I know it's or even if it's like 80 it's and it's the ghost

of the Sedins it's still you're losing the Sedins Fowler Lindholm Manson Montour all under the age of 26

that's a really good defensive core and Lindholm missed significant time last year yeah so he sorry

Lindholm's the guy that needs to have a better year but I don't know yeah maybe you do load up I'm not convinced with the Ducks.

There's something about them I'm just not feeling it. I think they are anchored by Leafs great Corbinian Holzer and Luke Shen. Who is still there. He's still there.

Didn't they trade him for Peter Holland? Or was it like a seventh pick or some dumb thing? Something like that. He's still there. They put him on waivers and a lot of people thought

he was going to be bought out. But no, I think it was just regular waivers. He's still there. He's still there. Let's move on to the East here. Yes. I don't think...

August Hockey. Tampa Bay, Boston, Washington, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Philly, Columbus, and New Jersey all made the playoffs this year. Damn. I don't know how any of those teams don't. But? Florida might steal a spot. Florida, which finished one point out, might steal a spot,

especially with Mike Hoffman. Mike Hoffman's worth a point in the standings. Better than they were last year. And then it falls off a cliff. Carolina finished, I forgot, 83. It went from 96 points to just missing the playoffs to 83.

They're a strange team. Yeah, I remember the Leafs season wasn't fun come December because we were like, okay, they're going to make the playoffs. Are we going to play Boston or not?

And that was it for the rest of the year. Yeah, no, they were in this really strange no-man's land because they couldn't really... It was going to be too difficult to catch anyone

and also no one was going to catch them. For the last two months of the season. Oh, I think it was longer than that. Yeah, in December, yeah. It was just Tampa or Boston

that we just waited. Because I can't see, I can see Buffalo making some improvements. They're not going to finish last in the conference again. I think they're going to be 20 points up. But even if they make a 20-point improvement, they're not even close to the playoffs. But, yeah, no, that's a reasonable expectation. Is that a reasonable, though?

20 points, that's good. What were they at? 62 points last year. Oh, my God. Yeah. Ottawa's with 67 points. I think they're actually going to finish lower than that. Ottawa's one of those teams, though, that just has stupid magic.

If Carlson stays there? No, Steve, no. How the hell did they come within one goal of the Stanley Cup final? That team wasn't far off from what it currently is. Well, what it was last year anyway. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then they got worse and added Bodker's contract. Oh my god.

Just for Hoffman, like they got an overpaid guy for a guy who's probably underpaid. Now I understand the circumstances But come on Montreal is going to still suck Man They're not any better I don't think they're going to be very good Carl Elsner's not going to get better

Weber's not coming until December Carey Price might stand on his head That's the biggest X factor Is there a bigger X factor in hockey? Okay, Carey Price stands on his head And he gets you 20 more points in the standings That's 10 wins They are still not even close to the playoffs

that's still 91 points and the cutoff for playoff points last year is 97 Jersey got in squeaked in that's not enough so he's got to win you

some big games Detroit they're still terrible and we don't know what they're about I think they might be a bit better Rangers are retooling

obviously I think they'll be okay Islanders will I think the Islanders will crater I think they might still be okay they might crater also

I think they're going to crater the goaltending situation is rough But at least they got character And Carolina I think has to improve But I'm still not convinced About their goaltending

I don't think Carolina's done Who's going to score for Carolina Like why For me, Jeff Skinner's the guy I want to keep Like they got a bunch of I'm trying to remember Can you bring up their cap friendly I don't even remember who's a hurricane

I mean Dougie Hamilton, that was great That was a really great move He was a good addition, they lost two good players as well Yeah, like, actually, can you bring up their daily face-off? That might be better. Jordan Stahl, Justin Williams, Victor Rask, Tevo Taravainen. Man, I like the Tevo Taravainen contract, too. Like, who's going to score for this team?

Other than Sebastian Ajo. Okay, Sebastian Ajo started terrible. I know that because he was in Mrs. Dangle's pool. Under Svechnikov, I forgot that you added Michael Ferland. Boy, I don't like them up the middle very much. I don't Martin Nikash

I don't know who that is I'm not going to lie I don't know who that is David Taravainen just in case yeah that's a Victor Rask

might take a step oh boy Andriy Svechnikov would have to light light the NHL on fire be in the Calder race Justin Williams is a deadline buy

for a team yep I think he nailed that 36 Jordan Martinuk is a guy who Gus Katsaros is always like, I like him as a player. He could be a good deadline buy for someone. And then on

defense, which is where they make their money, Jacob Slavin, Justin Falk, Calvin DeHaan, I forgot they added him, Dougie Hamilton, Aiden Fleury, Brett Petchy, I mean. Yep. Could be a good defense. I don't know, man. Could be carried by them. I think the East will look much like it

did this year. I think it has to. I don't think it looks terribly different. Florida, to me, is the biggest X factor. Right, but even Florida had a good year. Right, it wasn't like they had 96 points man. They were not they were a point out of the playoffs They're not I think they had 98 to say that no Florida had 96. Oh, it was 96 Okay, if to say like Columbus and New Jersey both had 97 So if one game goes one way and that's what it comes down to literally looking at a list right now

I tried to correct you. Yeah, it's okay. Who cares? Okay, sir If one if one game goes one way and one game goes another then it's Florida in the playoffs But I think those top nine it pretty hard to argue that that changes In the West, I think it's a lot more wide open. Like Nashville, Winnipeg, who knows what Vegas really is? Dude, I have no idea. If you say you know what Vegas is at this point, you're lying. You don't know what Vegas is.

We don't know. We don't know. We didn't know what they were during the season. The whole season, everybody's like, who the hell knows? Dude, they were winning games with Oskar Dansk and Malcolm Subban and the other guy, Maxim Lagasse. Yeah. and I wonder

at what point does San Jose I still think San Jose's gotta make a move here do you? I think they're real good still I thought

well I do I do think they're real good but this might be it they're definitely aging they're in a similar out of the California teams I'd think I'd put them

in the best position but they're similar to the Ducks in that they got some guys who are getting older and they've got some good young players. The guys that are getting older

for them are still very productive. I'd say they're on the tail end of prime. Sure. Not the sun is setting. You know what I mean? Does that make any sense?

And Martin Jones is Martin Jones. Martin Jones, you draft really well typically. I wonder if You just got a bunch of draft picks.

If Rick Nash decides to play, San Jose can offer him all the money in the world. Yeah, I don't think he's going to play though. You don't think so, eh? No. it's a shame about the concussions

like he was still a pretty effective guy like looking at you know what Boston did to the Leafs with him on it part of me wishes more players would

make that decision yeah it's a smart move right yeah and I mean I get it you know you're an athlete you're competitive you want to make millions of dollars

you want to win the cup he's never won the cup but dude like how old is he 34 let's say

like hopefully you got like you know if you're lucky you might have another 60 years left of your life. Come on, man. Use your head. Literally. Yeah, literally. Yes? Let's talk about another GM. We've talked about John Shaker.

We've talked about David Poyle. Finally. We're done talking about teams in August. Let's talk about... Look. Hey, thanks for shitting on our topic, Jesse, because you contributed so much to it. You jerk.

Hey, we're having Chris Johnson on next show. Let me just tease that. Yeah, that's great. CJ. Back for a CJ episode. Before we move on from Rick Nash. Oh! Did we know that our good friend Mike Stevens wrote an article today

entitled Why the Leafs Should Sign Rick Nash? I read it. The only problem with that stupid website is how many pop-ups there are. It drives me up the wall. I can barely read it. Okay, so Mike Stevens writes for 9,000 websites. Is it his fan-sided one? Oh, my God.

Okay, not just pop-ups, Adam. Fake ads with your face on them. Oh, yeah, because they've got that ad with my mom saying she's retiring. Which, by the way, is total bullshit. And the same thing happened to Tanya Kim. They're doing it to a bunch of media personalities, mostly women, saying, oh, they're stepping away, they're retiring, there's this, that. Mrs. Dangle saw one that was promoted saying your mom's leaving TV.

It was a promoted tweet. I think they're just generated by bots. They just grab pictures and they grab words and they just generate it and throw it up. so it's not really at least they use the next picture if you see the one about me

if there's ever one made about me it's true I would just say it's true yeah it happened no I'm kidding let's talk about

the GM of the London Knights oh so what did you think of the article what did I think of the article yeah I thought it was well put together

I agree I just actually yeah why not sorry my instinct is to say why if he pushes

Tyler Ennis out of the lineup and he's your fourth line guy he's still Rick Nash yeah if you're able to offer him very little

but is he that guy I thought he was still like a several million dollar type of player or you say hey Rick you want to come

play for a winner hit some dingers do some endorsements if you can convince him to come back for cheap I mean yeah sure hey

if you can get this really good player for cheap would you do it of course I would and I don't think the Leafs actually have all that much

like I think before before LTIR I think it's like 3 million bucks or is it 3 million? once it's all said after Nylander

once it's all said and done they'll be comfortable but if they make another addition that's when it starts to get snug and I keep going back to it and yeah

it was 8 years ago now but Rick Nash was such a great two way player for Babcock in Vancouver he was one of my favorite players to watch when I was there

he was so good didn't have to score goals I don't mind it I don't mind if they could get him for a couple million bucks who cares well that line up

is stacked that's with everybody though yeah yeah but I mean hey if they could sign Subban for a couple million dollars like I'll take it

would you do it yeah I think so if Rick Nash is a four million dollar player now ah no then you don't do that

no no no no but if you hold on hold on if Rick Nash is a four million dollar player you've convinced Taveras to leave a couple million bucks

on the table couldn't you do it with Rick Nash hey man maybe you could although you can't convince him to play on the fourth line

that's for sure you might be able to I don't think so I just don't think I think he's better than him I don't think there's a chance But yeah Also fansided

What the hell man Can you guys just chill On the ads Like I know everybody's Got to make money But man Yeah Mike can't say it Because he works there

But uh I'm sure Mike knows Chill on the pop-ups I mean I know you gotta Keep the lights on But chill on the pop-ups And chill on the fake ads Yeah

Fake Actual fake Uh Rick Nash Last year had 30 Math points 34

That's a middle of your lineup type of player I like him Yeah, of course If you can get him at a cheap price If you can get any player at a good price Yes, do it Not crapping on Mike's article that I haven't read I'll go home and read it

And next episode Next week We'll be like By the way Chris Johnson Wanted to talk about How Rick Nash is now a Leaf Can you imagine?

Let's talk about guy who promoted himself To his own team Mark Hunter Oh Right Now the GM This is something I missed Now the GM of the London Knights

Moved the GM Who was already there To the side That guy will assist Mark Oh really So he left the Leafs To be the boss Of his own team

He wanted to be The king of his castle And that's fine There's nothing wrong with that But Didn't we talk about this Rob Simpson who's the team's general manager

will be the associate general manager. Well, and I'm sure he had that position knowing. Oh, for sure. If Mark ever comes back. But, okay. I don't understand. And maybe this is he waits for a GM to get fired and then he's in the conversation.

But the whole narrative when he left was that, oh. Best damn scout in the world. And he's Lou's guy. Lou, by the way, doesn't seem to want to give up the general manager job in the island. Yep. Could have maybe stepped aside and brought Mark on. Who knows?

Sure. Even as an assistant GM. Why not? If he's Lou's guy. But then, okay, if you're Mark Hunter, do you want to live the rest of your life comfortably and call all the shots in London? or do you want to be GM of the Islanders, GM, air quotes, of the Islanders,

and still have Lou above you? I don't think GM of the Islanders was ever an option. I don't think it was either. Lou was not giving that up. That was something that everyone just kind of said and was never necessarily true. But everyone was talking about how the Leafs made the wrong decision. Did he turn down GM jobs?

Did that happen? Did you even hear his name ever mentioned in a new GM? Who was even hired as a GM this year? I'm trying to think. And, you know, maybe it's that there weren't a lot of openings and your first theory was right. He's, you know, going to bide his time, wait for someone to get fired. Which I think he will do.

I think he will do that. I don't think there's anything wrong with this move. I think it's just go occupy your time while there's a job while you wait for a job to open up in the NHL. Because if you do sign with a team and then another GM job opens up, there's a chance that team could block you. Even though they don't do that, they could block you.

the only GM that signed this offseason was Lou the last oh and then Carolina Carolina signed they had a GM Waddell

no Don Waddell he signed in May though okay well this is before I'm talking about after oh before the decision before Hunter left

because I remember Mike Futa was up for that and he was like yeah I'm not doing that for 300 grand Dubas signed on May 11th and then after Dubas Minnesota hired Paul Fenton

on the 21st and then Lou signed to the island on June 5th and he's the newest It might have been a masterstroke from Brendan Shanahan saying, okay, you can go, but July 15th is your date. For competitive reasons, it might have been the smartest thing

that Brendan Shanahan did because it prevented him from going to another team and working against the Leafs. I mean, maybe. No, not maybe. 100% it is. Can't you not do that, though, if you're offered a promotion? Like if he was going from assistant GM to GM, Aren't you not allowed to block that? Oh, the Leafs did with Dubas, though.

Yeah. Because he was offered the GM job. Of course they blocked it. Wait, what's the July 15th thing? Well, he would be employed by the Leafs till the 15th of July. Who? Mark Hunter.

Mark Hunter, but not working for them, as in they're paying the check. Okay. But he's not working for them. So it prevents him. It's basically a competition clause, right? Yeah, yeah. It prevents him from going to another team

and then basically downloading the entire Leafs strategy, which, if you're Brendan Shanahan, And you have to do. You have to make that move. You cannot allow a new GM and all the strategies you've developed over three or four years to just be exposed like that.

And right before the draft. Exactly. You can't have that. It's kind of ruthless, but you're right. It's not ruthless at all. The sport's ruthless, man. Yeah, exactly. No, and that 100 didn't end up going anywhere anyways.

I just find it weird, man. I just find it weird that, like, okay. And maybe I'm... What? What? You're the assistant general manager of the Leafs. You didn't get the position. you could have stayed on.

Like? I think he wants to be the king of the castle. And he can be king of this castle. It is his castle. And he learned a lot with the Leafs. And if a job opening comes up, he can take it. But I do think he wants to be king of the castle. I don't think he wants to...

Oh, he's made that clear. I mean, if you want to be an NHL GM, you probably... And you're his age. You probably don't want to be Kyle Dubas' second-in-command. because ideally Dubas is going to be there for a long time. You know what I mean? Ideally.

I guess my thought here was that sometimes it makes sense to bide your time in the show. Yeah, but he's got the name and he's got the resume. Okay. I don't think anyone in the NHL is going to frown on him for doing this. I wasn't talking about frowning. I'm just talking about like out of sight, out of mind. You know what I mean? Oh, no, no.

People know the London Knights. Okay. And people got to scout the London Knights. Speaking of the London Knights, one thing I think it was Jeff Merrick said that I saw. Isn't Brady Kachuk not going back to university? Yeah, his three options to play, he can play in the OHL, AHL, or NHL next season.

And Jeff Merrick said, what about the London Knights? I don't know if they hold his rights. I assume they do. And, I mean, there's always implied shenaniganery when it comes to the London Knights. I think that's where he plays next season. Doesn't really make sense for him to play with Ottawa, does it? No, I wouldn't want him there.

No. I also don't think... I'm still confused as to what Ottawa's doing. Remember when Eric Carlson got traded? Are you surprised that you're confused at what Ottawa's doing? No, but like, okay, so what if you call up Brady Kachuk, you know, he makes the team and he's great, and you show, look, hey, here's the beginning of the future.

Don't do that. In Ottawa here. Send him to the O so you can't call him up Send him to the O so you cannot call him up Don't give Eugene that button Don't give him that button He has all the buttons I don't buy chocolate chip cookies

Because if they're in the house I'm eating them If Eugene Melnick says to Pierre Dorian Do not give Eugene the chocolate chip cookie that is Brady Chachak Give him a season away from this shit show If he says This kid's making my team he makes the team He's your Try to get him down there

Before that Jeff Merrick did say that Kachuk is most likely. He's snooping around and hears that Kachuk will spend next season with the Knights. Good. I think that makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. I wonder if... Under the guidance of Mark Hunter as we come full circle.

Oh, heavens. Thank goodness something is finally going right for the London Knights. Hey, how about this? Guy Boucher is the coach of the Sens and Mark Hunter is the next GM. Oh, that's what I was just going to say. Probably. It's not even Pierre Dorian's fault. but I bet that

that San Jose trade did not make him look good and even though even if that wasn't his fault poor guy like I feel bad for him like that's what a month

he had a month it's like Peter Horacek like what do you want me to do guys what do you want me to do what am I even supposed to do I knew things were going bad when like

he went on this crazy losing streak when he became the Leafs coach and then his first win they had this they gave him the game puck didn't they no they they had this like

army colored jersey this camo jersey that they gave out for like team MVP or whatever and they gave it to him which was cute but you don't want

to be cute you want to be competitive and they were cute Dylan Larkin signed his contract literally the day after we talked about

what Dylan Larkin might make less than 24 hours and some people said it was high every contract every contract you see

everyone is like well it's high it's high it's a lot of money exactly we should be rooting for these players by the way

to make lots of money because they're the non-millionaires in this equation. You know, like we should be rooting for the little guy here and the NHL player

in this situation is sort of the little guy. Wow. Even signing bonuses, man. But 6.1. I like that number. Pretty reasonable. I like it.

Very reasonable. Especially, again, center. Probably the next captain. Yeah. I don't hate that number at all. Don't hate that number at all. Remember we were talking about who makes more,

Larkin or Nylander? And I said, well, they're probably They're not going to be that far apart. That's good news. How does this affect the Leafs? Glad you asked. Did they purposely give Larkin $17,000 more than Henrik Zetterberg?

Is that what they did? Is that on purpose? I don't know how they came to that. That's very confusing. Yeah, that is pretty weird. I don't know but I like that number are they sending a sign that hey this is your team

no you make more than why 17 don't make it obvious you can't make it one dollar you can't prices right this you gotta make it like 17 G's randomly you gotta make it like a really nice used car

every year I just think Mr. Holland is telling Larkin something I don't know he's telling Hank something he's telling Mr. Zetterberg the Zets

I think he's just telling Larkin hey you're $17,000 more important to us right now we got a couple messages going well that raises Nylander's number

I actually don't know that it does what? I think it actually depresses Nylander's number or well I wouldn't say

it depresses it but it definitely doesn't raise it because I think okay now people are going to be mad because William Nylander has 261 points

years in a row and I get that Dylan Larkin had a 35 and then he jumped to a 63 not a center not a center plays with Austin Matthews

and it matters center matters so much and it matters so much that's not to denigrate William Nylander but if you're arguing

in a contract situation and you gotta you gotta pull every point out of it you can you'd say listen I mean if Willie was playing center would he be getting 61 points

is the important question here I think he might why sure but the point I'm trying to make here is in negotiations you might say well, Willie. Oh, I see what you're saying.

We think you're a $6 million guy. Is the important question not why is William Nylander not a center? Matthews, Tavares, Kadri. Not an important question anymore. Yeah, like he's non-factor. This was my thing several episodes ago

is like not only is he not a center, he's not going to be one. When? When's he going to be one? Okay. In the next seven years, when's he going to be one? If William Nylander Is your fourth line center Is your team not better This is not gonna happen

No Why not You can't give them the minutes It'd be cool to see Babcock Like just toy with teams Like in the playoffs Like ah Guess what

I'm just gonna do this for fun Ah That'd be fun But I just don't see it Yeah I think I think you're more likely To see Patrick Marleau Center the

Center the fourth line Honestly Um I'm sorry That's not No I know That makes a lot of sense You know like

I think if you're going to, let's say, you've had a This is Babcock's dream. He wants as many centers as possible. I think William Nylander will, because remember, he took a lot of face-offs last year. I think they're going to do that side-to-side thing. Basically, basically all the Leafs take face-offs

now. Yeah. Hyman took a significant number of face-offs. He took face-offs and was effective, and there was a strategy to that. Matthews took him on his strong, and then William took him on his strong arm. And it worked really, really well. So to say William Nylander's not a center to to to debate myself on this one it's sort of a lie because he is a center he is

it's not all about face-offs right it's not like Matthews was the center on that line he just didn't always take face off yeah yeah fair enough weird thing to say but I think that this Dylan Larkin contract if you're a Leafs fan you should be ecstatic and you should be ecstatic about the Pasternak deal last summer you should be ecstatic about the Larkin deal this because Redwoods fans should be excited. I would have argued that they had to pay Dylan Larkin more

because they have less depth. And that often happens, right? Where you've got, you don't have all these great players. You've got one, two. You've got to pay your guy. They paid their guy.

Well, and now, let's say the Red Wings, you know, I mean, they're not good. But they shed. And, you know. Oh no, they're going to keep re-signing Mike Green

until he's 45. One year deal. Three million bucks. And Zedina ends up being real good and they start this youth movement. And now,

the guy in charge makes 6.1 whatever I think that's a good that's a good place to start Larkin Zedina is going to be sick

the like the great thing is in the NHL like the way it's heading even the bad teams are fun to watch yeah

remember when they weren't remember when we watched one for actively a decade were you guys on the side back to Nylander

were you guys on the side of giving him a bridge deal no 100% no long-term right now? I'd like it to be long-term, ideally. What is he, 22 now?

Yeah. So the deal expires when he hits 30. Oh, you want eight years. I want eight years. I want him for eight years. And if that means paying him a little bit more now,

great, because the percentage of cap that he will eat up by the seventh and eighth year when he's in his prime will be way less. Imagine the NHL salary cap. Well, it'll be through his prime, yeah. Sure, but the NHL salary cap

will be, if it jumps two, three million bucks a year, by then, 90? That's conservative. We're hitting 90 million in the next three years, guys. I expect it to go down if there's a lockout. Yeah, they won't be that stupid. They're bringing in a team. They cannot have a lockout this

time. I know we joke about it. You're bringing in a team in Seattle. You cannot, cannot, cannot have a lockout. Steve's on the complete other side. Steve's preparing his job at the zoo. We still gotta set up our zoo tour, which I always say that You can't have a lockout.

You can't. You're going to cover the KHL this time? Like, what are you going to do? Just the Aussie League, I think. Okay. Why not? AIHL? Yeah.

That actually would be fun. Melbourne Mustangs. Let's do some British hockey, too. We hear from British hockey fans all the time. Well, we won't have that opportunity, according to you, because there's not going to be a lockout. I'm going to cover every Generals-Petes game. Okay, imagine, okay, you're going to watch.

I'm on the side of a lockout is happening for a little bit. Okay, maybe for a couple, like, you're not missing a season. You're not even missing half a season. I think there will be some labor strife. maybe you miss a couple games honestly guys honestly you can't

if you're Gary Bettman and you're on a roll you got 500 million bucks just in a fee from Vegas you're going to get 650 million from Seattle

you're probably going to try to milk more out of Kansas City if you want to team back in Quebec I mean like like Quebec is a Jeremy Jacobs wasn't wrong

when he said Quebec is a very challenged market in terms of Jeremy Jacobs well he's not wrong though he's not wrong you gotta find you gotta find a team

like the Jets where they've got a backer who's like the 10th richest man in the world. Yeah, and he's just like, I just really like hockey. Like the Thompson family out of Toronto backs the Jets. They are, I'm not even kidding you,

among the richest 20 families in the world. They don't care if they lose money, which they probably lose a bit. They don't, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Okay. I always wondered, I'm like, they still get $15,000 a game?

How's that working? Well, I think they're also, their ticket sales are higher, and I actually think they made a profit this year, but for the first few years, they definitely didn't. And there's equalization payments. Well, that's how it works, though.

Yeah, there's equalization payments and all that stuff, too. But the fact of the matter is, if you're Gary Bettman, you're making huge money for the owners. You're making huge money for the owners. And in fact, it's good for you as Gary Bettman to say,

listen, we don't have a lockout this time, guys. Cap's going up. Everyone should be relatively happy when they come to the table this time. Because the cap is going up. Now, the players hate the escrow. I get that. But is that a deal?

Is that a deal breaker? Is that what you lock a team out for? Or players out for? There's still going to be arguments. There might be some tense moments, but hopefully it doesn't actually come to that. The guaranteed contracts thing terrifies me because if the NHL really digs in on that, forget it.

Yeah, the players will never give that up. Yeah. I don't know why they would do that. I don't know why they would do that. I do. They're sick of wasting money. I think what the NHL should do, I think the compromise there

is you allow one total buyout a season per team no penalty no penalty pay the player and then maybe the player gets two thirds of their salary

so pay the player but it doesn't count against the cap hey new it's a new CBA everyone gets a compliance buyout

if you want to use it no no and it's tradable a season no you can't do per season favors the rich teams I'm all about it yeah no

they would never I think they should move to a model a luxury tax model I keep saying that it makes the rich team spend more and that money goes to equalization payments for the poor teams it's working in the NBA besides the fact that the NBA is way more culturally relevant

and they have a sick TV deal that they'll never get again what about this you get a compliance buyout but you have to give up one of your first round picks over the next three years that's fun that's fun

No, but give up your first round pick to who? You just forfeit it. You don't. So there'll be 20 times the fifth pick. But then all the picks are moving up. So then if you have a second round pick, that's like, it's first. It's a first. This has happened.

That'd be kind of fun. Teams have forfeited picks before. Yeah, but not to the extent where, hey, 10 teams give up, and then all of a sudden the second round pick, that's a first second. It would be sort of hilarious. Ottawa would be the first team. Work with me, man. It's a silly sport.

They got to be thinking about it. I'm not playing video game rules here. Hockey is just video game rules. Where half the time a decision gets made and you're like, oh, stupid game glitch. Do you remember last season when an expansion team was in the finals? Yeah, I know. I'm telling you.

They were three wins away from the championship. I would love to see a financial model that proves me wrong on this one. But economically, it just makes a lot of sense to move to a luxury tax model where there is a hard cap. But it is like, if the Raptors, who have spent into the luxury tax, It's every dollar you spend in the luxury tax, aren't you paying $2 to the leak? Yeah, but you don't pay the first time you go into the luxury tax,

so you only pay when you're a repeat offender. Okay, so you can dump salary the next time, so you don't repeat in the luxury tax. See, I think that's dumb. You should have to pay right away. It works in the NBA. Yeah, the NBA is more popular. They're doing well.

Yeah, they are. But I feel like that sets it up, and the NBA, I mean, they'd be right to do this, where teams just load up on guys for one year. and the NHL is too conservative for that, although I love what the NBA is doing with it. They also just don't make enough money. I think maybe it's a penalty.

Like, the first year in the luxury tax, it's every dollar you spend, if I'm paying Steve $5 million and I'm in the luxury tax, I have to give the league $5 million. And then the next year, I'm paying Steve $5 million, I'm in the luxury tax, and I have to give the league $10 million. I like making $5 million.

I like the scenario. I don't know. I like this thing that you just brought up. I just don't see... I'm coming around to the lockout. I don't know what issues, other than guaranteed contracts, would cause a lockout.

Olympics? Yeah. You wouldn't lock out because of that, though. Yeah, you wouldn't lock out, but it would be a point of contention between the players and the Olympics. But you're going to have that. Yeah, you will have that.

For sure. And by the way, the NHL is going to the Olympics, so it's a non-point, right? They want to. The NHL wants to be in China. The players want to be in China. I don't see the rub there.

No, but going forward after China. Just guaranteed. Yeah, I think you're right. What's the argument there? Video replay? But even that would only last for, what would it be, one more Olympic, right? Why? Because if the CBA is eight years, let's say, then you get China,

and then what's, I don't even know what the next one is. Japan? I want to say it's Japan. Yeah, because they spend the next three in Asia, I believe. I think. And then after that, I don't think they have it booked. Have it booked. I would like to book one Olympics, please.

I mean, maybe. Who knows? They go back to Europe. I don't know. Adam, you were on Sportsnet 590 The Fan in the morning. No, we're not there yet. Why aren't we there yet? Because we're talking about Max Pacioretty

and the golf tournament that he's having that no one's going to. Except that they are. They are. Yes. Believe everything that the Montreal Canadiens Twitter account says. So, Raph Doucette, who works at 919 Sports, and he's an analyst of the Laval Rocket, he said, can confirm

so far Jeff Molson, Mark Bergevin, and Claude Julien don't plan to attend Pacioretty's golf tournament, which apparently he does every year, and it's a charity, of course. Now, do they usually attend the golf tournament? I would assume so. Because, like,

everyone's instinct was to be like, oh, screw those guys for not supporting their captain, but, like, I don't know, were, like, Dubas and Babcock and all of them, like, at Hyman's tournament or Marner's tournament? It was just players or just players? Pacioretty's golf tournament

is a big deal in Montreal. Oh, it's, okay. We're talking about on Timison today. Last time on TVR, they had a four box of just everything going on in the golf tournament.

They broadcast it. They filmed it like it was the damn U.S. Open. And they had boxers following around the guys and they had all the media coverage.

Different world. It's the biggest thing going on in the summer. Different world. So this is a huge deal. Wow. Okay, so I didn't know it was that big.

That's crazy. That's what's so funny about Canada right like Quebec Canada it is just you can be like French Canada

you can be a music star in Quebec oh yeah and no one in any other province knows who you are maybe New Brunswick their DJs like their radio

DJs are so like they're superstars like it mobbed in Montreal and Quebec City and you're syndicated on like 20 different stations isn't that fun though

it's amazing good for them I'm happy for them we have this one little place where ah this is nuts so the Canadians

So it's a big deal then. Canadians tweeted in French that Jeff Molson, Marc Bergevin, and Claude Julien will be there. Is this an example of Twitter the good? I don't know. I mean, is it good? If you're Mac Fetturetti and you hate Marc Bergevin right now, do you want him there? Well, no, no, I don't think it has anything to do with Macs. It's those three guys now going, oh, the heat's kind of on us.

Or maybe they were undecided and then they saw this happen and they're like, oh, friggin', well, I guess we gotta go. Or maybe they had decided, they just didn't publicly announce it, because why would they? Yeah. And now that it broke, it's almost exactly like the Oilers thing. Or it's similar to the Oilers thing, I suppose.

Isn't it funny? Like, that was a non-issue for any of the golf tournaments for Leafs players. Non-issue. If Babcock's not there, who cares? Doesn't matter. But it's because of the perceived tension between Max Pacioretty and management. And it's a big deal of a tournament. And a big deal of a tournament, but that perceived tension

if that isn't there and they don't come that's not even a conversation that's not something we talk about four years ago that would have been a huge issue in Leafland

like oh so and so didn't go to FNUF's tournament yeah right it's because they're losing it's because there's there's tension wow

and that's a total non-issue otherwise and it's August and it's August true now the Canadians obviously tweeted that those guys were coming

and then Raf I think unfairly took a bunch of shit because he said listen so far they haven't confirm that they're coming. That's all he said. Okay, what was the original tweet?

The original tweet, and I'm going to bring it up again, is can confirm so far Jeff Molson, Mark Bergevin, and Claude Julien don't plan on attending Pacioretty's golf tournament. And he did put so far. Yeah, no, that's just a fact. And you can say maybe there's a little stank on the fact, like maybe

there's a little implication there, but the way you took it is not his problem. He could have said, and this could be... All those words are true. It could be an English-French thing too. I don't know. I don't know how good his English is, but he does most of his tweeting and broadcasting in French. Doesn't mean he could be completely bilingual and get this.

But he said, don't plan to attend. He maybe could have been a more neutral, haven't confirmed their attendance. But the stay comes from don't plan to attend. That implies intent. Right. Or lack of intent. I just want to show you guys this picture of

Max... Oh, sorry. Max Bacioretty. Jesse just pulled his computer by some bass. You did that like I was a dog and you were holding a burger. That's essentially what this is. How to control Steve Dangle, the dog. That's a good point.

This is Max Pacioretty standing at a podium at his golf tournament in 2017. And this is the media that showed up. Can we count the microphones? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I count ten microphones. That's probably not even all of them. Okay, CTV, CBC News, just regular CBC

next to CBC News. TSN Radio. Global, I think. RDS. Sportsnet. And then there's a couple mics you can't see. There might be more.

There's definitely more we can't see. I've just seen two or three that we couldn't see. Are there two RDS mics? Is that what I just saw? One might be a TSN and an RDS.

Could be TSN Radio too. Anyways, it's a huge deal. Plenty of media will be there. See how it goes. Anyway, Raf tweeted yesterday

and this is translated through Google Translate so I'm going to this probably means different a little bit in French but it said my tweet yesterday made a lot of jazzy I'm assuming that means noise my tweet yesterday made

a lot of jazzy much more than I thought 24 hours later the Canadians calmed the game by confirming the presence of Molson, Bergevin and Julian at the patch ready tournament simple chance come on okay so maybe it's

he said but you can criticize me it's a part of the game. Smiley face. I don't know if you can criticize him. No, but we've also, like, who does he work for? Because we've talked about

how the Montreal radio is a little bit tabloid. 919 Sport. I don't think that's the same one as the other one where... Mario Tremblay. Yeah, I'm not sure if Mario Tremblay... Who does he work for?

Mario Tremblay radio. Hang on. And the George LaRock thing. Were those two different things? Mario Tremblay. We had a crazy season. I think it's at 102.1. Okay.

Well, it doesn't matter. Montreal radio in general is wild. Wild. Yeah. Great way of putting it, Adam. Mr. Wild. It's just a unchecked, crazy, I wish I'd paid more attention in French class because if I could understand, you could make a website translating the crazy ass French interviews

that happen that never make it over to the English mainstream. You seriously could. There's so many. There's so many. like remember what Hope Smoke did on Twitter he would take all the interviews from all the sports Hope Smoke remember him and he would take all the interviews

and like and quote them all which sometimes was bad because some stuff was taken out of context or just didn't read well yeah but it was really like it was quite interesting to watch it was a great follow I'm not sure what happened to him I think I'm not sure either yeah he might have just got tired of doing it

but if you could do that like here's a sports angle for you we get asked this all the time do that translate the interviews because that one George LaRock interview and that one Mario Tremblay interview even those which were

if you said that on English radio in this country and you're one of those guys, former GM, former player explosive news not even explosive news just an explosive dialogue and discourse but it somehow gets lost for some reason nobody stepped into that void and said

I can bridge the gap between French and English here here's the interview in French here's the interview in English I'm surprised there isn't more in that regard in the blogosphere for like Swedish so many of them are bilingual see there's fewer bilingual Russians though

yeah it's tougher English is most I don't know what the percentage is but it's high whereas in Russia it's a little bit different French you're right though there are hundreds of thousands

of bilingual, or French-speaking Canadians. Bilingual, French, English, whatever. However you say it. Yeah, why aren't there more? I don't get it. Just to give you an idea, I paid a guy through Andrew Berkshire, who's a really nice guy.

I won't name him, but I paid a guy to translate the George LaRock interview and the Mario Trombley interview. Wow. Like, I paid him for this show, for prep, because it's worth his time. I hope it wasn't much,

because I asked my cousin to do it, and she did it. Well, yeah, but it was only like a piece. Like, he translated it word for word, interviewer. Like, he did an amazing— Well, and his first language is French, right? Yes. So my cousin's is—I don't know.

She was raised with both French and English, so I don't know what you would call that. Anyway, it was worth it to contextualize things. The point is, there's a market there. Yeah. And I've said it again, or I've said it a thousand times. Sports science, every time someone gets injured, write about that injury. I want to know more about it. Why did Stephen Stamkos heal up like a damn alien when he broke his leg?

Andre Sequeira, right now, you could have one of the biggest, it's August, dude, you could have one of the biggest articles going just writing about that particular injury. And what that takes. How it would affect a normal person, past injuries to NHL players, you could relate it to Eric Carlson. Come on. There's so many possibilities and I still haven't really seen anyone do it.

There's the occasional one-off. There was a really good one a few years ago about, like, let's all stop glorifying Patrice Bergeron for his 2013 Stanley Cup final run. Like, he could have died. Like, remember when he was playing with a punctured lung? Yeah. And 19 other injuries? Yeah, there was a really good one.

It's once in a blue moon, but, like, every injury, I want to see it. I think that's such a dicey area. If you're like, hey, here's this injury. It requires this type of treatment, and then the player is going out and playing. they're not receiving that and then the team's responding to all of these

these people just reacting to this which is a good thing oh this article said this let me let me go ask the team about this and then the team's

coming back and be like okay this nuisance of a site is always getting us in trouble because they're like hey the medical says you should do this

and then the NHL won't want anything to do with this person who's writing all these articles so I think if you're in that situation no but those are things

you should consider well you don't want to work in the NHL at that point you want to work in the media you're going to want to be you're right you're right

no no but if your game is always let's just be controversial and get these teams in trouble of course

well no that shouldn't be the angle it should just be like what's it why he's bringing up a really good

point no the idea is here's how long like you'd have to be very general because the

medical community is like if you think hockey twitter is divided read a medical journal yeah

they don't agree on anything but the what you want to do if you're going to do that

your angle should be it shouldn't be criticizing the way a team treats a player because you don't Unless it's blatant.

Well, yeah. And you don't know the particulars of the injury. You don't know the particulars of the player and how they take care of themselves. And you don't know any of that. But what you could say is, remember when Eric Carlson had his Achilles sliced? Yep. You could say, this is how long it takes a normal person to recover from this injury. And then you could do a bunch of videos on, here's what he's going to have to do.

And remember he was sliced like a certain, sorry, this is gross, but he was sliced a certain percentage. and like if it was a lesser percentage here's the it was like a month difference in recovery but if it was more if it was like a full cut

like you might never play again there was some of that stuff too so if you're making that site so you can say here's some education on what it takes

a normal person to do this and realizing that athletes are kind of freakish anyway and they're going to heal up faster most of the time

like even when we looked up when David Clarkson was out because he had bursitis and we're like what the hell is bursitis and we looked at that

that episode and it is disgusting what bursitis is but to be able to say if you had a tutorial video like here's how you treat bursitis and here's what it will take and here's why it's recurring or here's why it's not and like that

kind of stuff I think would be very interesting but if your job, if you're going out there to try to call on NHL teams on the way they treat players I mean you have no insight so it would be impossible for you to do that. You've got to do it properly I think it'd be difficult for a medical student to pull off

I think you could pull it off, you need to make sure you're right you're not accusing like you just said but there's something there in this idea just say here are some general facts about it it doesn't have to be specific just say when a normal person

and this is not a normal injury when a normal person cuts their Achilles here's what it does to your foot it controls your entire foot you can't move it up you can't move it down because your Achilles is all based on that here's what it is here's what the normal recovery time and here's the rehab that you have to do

that's it that's interesting that's all it needs to be And I'm sure you, with more knowledge than me, would know how to make that interesting. Absolutely. I just think you open yourself up to so many people being like, hey, you got this injury wrong. They came up just, there's so many assholes out there. I just think it's such. As opposed to what, though?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not in anything. Yeah, yeah. But like, I just feel like. You can literally have a blog called Have a Good Day. Yeah. And people would hate it. My day was fucked up.

Yeah. How dare you tell me how to have a day? That's what you would get. good day privilege. Like, freak off. Like, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's a great idea. I think so, too. I came up with it. That's why I think it's great.

Have you seen this clip? Yes, I have. That's why when I pointed at it, I was like, okay. Shall we do the press conference? Are you talking about your freaking radio trip? I guess we should save that for the press conference. Okay, fine. That'll be the first press conference. Adam, how was your time on the

Fan 590 hosting the morning show, filling in for Elliot Price. The great Elliot Price. It was good. And did we also talk about when you were on with Bennis? No, we haven't talked about any of that. No? Talk about all of it. I filled in for JD Bunkus.

And it was funny because I went for beers with Ben and JD before I filled in and before JD went on vacation. You know, it's as I said to you after the first two shows that Steve and I did, it's not as easy as you think

and that was one of the first things our program director Dave said was like listen everybody in their car thinks they can do what you do so you are going to be wrong they are going to disagree forget about it like just do you be you and go out there and do

your best and so you know in the summer time obviously a lot of people taking vacations is why these opportunities are there that's the only reason they let me on the radio. I mean, it's truly. Imagine how many people were on vacation the week they let me

on. You were fine. Then there were only a couple when Adam. Anyway, so they, so I filled in with Ben and it was interesting with Ben because, you know, we were talking about the Mike, do you remember the Mike and Mad Dog documentary, the

30 for 30? Yes, that everyone tells me I need to watch. You need to watch that. So they talk about the power chair, the A chair. Yeah. Who's the A chair? And how. Who controls the show? Exactly. And how that was always a bone of contention between Mike and Mad Dog. Most popular show in sports radio, blown up because they couldn't figure out who the damn A-chair was.

Which is stupid. And on this show, by the way, if anyone's confused, you're the A-chair. Yes. That doesn't make you the star. It just makes you the A-chair. It makes you the guy that drives the conversation. And you need one, and that's what I do. You steer the car.

You make sure we don't hit the guardrail. So I was B-chair with Ben. and I think it was really great because I knew I'd have to be a chair the next week on the morning show and I was terrified of that because I hadn't done it

in sports radio other than a podcast which is different and kind of watching Ben and seeing how he does things it was like oh okay that makes

okay that makes a lot of sense so I learned a lot from him and then and then you know the next the next week was on that the morning show with Greg Brady

and Hugh Burrell and And Greg, for the first two shows, thank God, took the A chair. Because when you're, it's hard to explain, but when you're in the A chair, it's like driving for the first time, right? You just don't know what you're doing. Everything is uncomfortable. Everything. Well, and if you're off, the whole show's off.

Totally. Because you can kind of, you are the one that hits the timing marks. You're the one who comes in, comes out, does the teases, does all that stuff. So I kind of warmed up to the show, and I can't, I have to tell you, I can't remember the first two days I was on the air with them. I don't remember a single thing we talked about. and then by the third day once I started doing the HR stuff

which is what I'm more comfortable with it started to get to be really fun and they were they were great guys so I had a blast and I mean I don't really

have much to say other than Donovan Ben is a guy that you should follow on Twitter if you don't already that guy came on and killed it

we talked almost no hockey it was like well there's no hockey exactly you were a big golf week so like just the way I sort of

was like Adam what do you think when it came to baseball when we were on Like, what did you do when it came to college? Well, it was good because Tiger made a run, as Jesse knows. Yep. And, you know, Jesse, who's on a multi-sport show,

like, it's great when Tiger does that because then all of a sudden the conversation is always about Tiger. Like, Brooks Koepka won the PGA Championship. Who? Exactly. The guy that lost by one stroke is the guy we're all talking about, which is Tiger Woods. And is he back?

Is he not back? Is it, you know, is he in the strokes? Two strokes. What's that? Two strokes. Oh, two strokes, okay. Which, is he back is a discussion we've had for like five years? Yeah, but now it's like, actually, he's back.

And, you know, how many more years can he get out of his 42-year-old body? Isn't it incredible that Tiger Woods finished two strokes back? He's 42 years old. This other guy's 28 in the prime of his life. And what's interesting, too, is that you have to remember that all those guys that are playing and are in their prime right now were huge Tiger fans growing up. So they replicated the way he eats, the way he trains, except for Tiger used to do Navy SEAL training, which is stupid,

and I think it probably ended up injuring him more than it helped him. And so they eat well, they train well. Before Tiger, it was like you went and you had a couple of whiskeys after your round was done, and you smoked some cigarettes. There's still guys like that. Yeah, yeah. Not as many, but there are still guys like that. So it was fascinating talking about that stuff,

and thank God Greg and Hugh were so easy to get along with. Because that's the thing, you step into someone else's show, it's their show. Like, this is our show. We can do, we can all kind of, if I go off the rails, you go off the rails,

Jesse goes off the rails, it's like, ah, we're all there with you because we're on the show together. This is our show. We created it. When it's someone else's show, it's kind of like staying over

at someone else's house. You're afraid to go under the fridge for a beer because you just don't know if that's okay, if they're going to find that weird or not. And you're not just staying

for one night, you're staying for like a week. You don't want to get off to the bathroom. Yeah, and the first day, it's fine. everybody's respectful but by day three or four are you starting to get on their nerves

and that's what I was starting to think about hopefully I didn't enjoyed the hell of it they were so much fun and I have to say this production staff the guys that are running the show behind the scene and usually behind the glass

Ryan Fabro, Mike Sesney those guys are like it's so cool that you're working with Fabro because when I was an intern he just ran the bullpen like he was the guy that kept everything loose and and like he's he's what i remember well like one of the big biggest guys i remember like as an intern and now he's doing the morning show i think he was doing like i don't know he wasn't doing the morning show when i was an intern he's

worked his way up significantly i also want to show you you're working ryan man as well ryan man who is um there's i don't know if you've how much time you've you've gotten up early to you probably don't get up very early so when you're listening no so if you're listening to that show you gotta be up before 9am, but there's a guy I did hear you one day. There's a guy there who literally sits and nails you

if you screw up with sound bites. And you look at his screen and they're just, it's a bunch of touch it's a touch screen, and he's got, his name's Ron, got a bunch of keys. Soundboard clips? Yeah, and he has like 80 of them and he knows where all of them are

and he would like, there was moments where I'd be screwing up and then it would be like Donald Trump going wrong or like like and he just he would get you so good sometimes anyway it's a great show it was a lot of fun to be a part of completely different from anything I've ever done in my entire career and I really appreciated how

easygoing they were all about it they were all like very helpful like Fabbro the first day did a chair every break he came in he's like okay here's your in you're going into this and then here's your out this is what we're teasing next alright here's your in and he's like super chill about it done

and it was great so much fun so yeah I don't know what I can tell you about the experience other than whenever you're sitting in your car thinking that it's easy thinking that you could do it you probably could but it's going to take years and years of training to do it and the depth of knowledge that someone like Greg Brady

has is unbelievable you can throw anything at him you can throw music at him, you can throw sports at him you can throw movies at him he is like one of those photographic memories he remembers everything and with all due respect to Greg Like, you know, okay, when I went to Regina for the World Juniors,

I wasn't like, oh, my God, like Nazem Kadri, Alex Petrangelo. I was like, holy crap, that's John Liu. From TSN, yeah. That's John Liu from TSN. And Hugh Burrell is one of those guys for me because he's been on TV forever. And he's the man. He's also the man. I'm just like, oh, that's Hugh Burrell.

Anyway, that's the answer to that question. I'm going to be filling in for Ben Ennis with JD sometime next week. And then there might be some stuff. Worst retirement ever. I know, right? But most beautiful summer, I'm like, no, get me back into a studio, please. Yeah, no windows. Get me in there.

Jesse, other questions from the Reddit page? I'm trying to think. There's nothing else we missed that you guys did. Like we talked about when you guys did the fan. Blue Room's done. Yeah, I'm excited. So you're doing a stream tomorrow? My plan is to do a live stream sometime around 8.30 Eastern.

Around 8.30 Eastern. I'm not going to promise that hard. Tomorrow we're putting in the baseboard. Everything's on the wall. It's all done Just need baseboard Because I know I'm going to get tripped

Also it'll just look So much better Come on Oh yeah Yeah It's really cool I'm really happy With how it's turned out

I'm excited How it's turned out Cool Do you want to get To actual questions? Yeah Oh yeah Sorry I was like

Are we done? Chav25 Has our most Upvoted question This week It's who gets Their first career fight Matthews, Nylander

Or Marner Who gets into a fight first That's a great question That is a really good question See Matthews never gets phased by anything Like have you ever seen him get angry once Other than At Babcock

At Babcock and the ref that one time He gets fired up So I know he's got that switch Guys have tried him a couple times I remember Luke Shen in his rookie year And Matthews just kind of went Sort of like that But Matthews, I think, would have the most confidence to start a fight

in terms of he's the biggest guy of the three. But I think it might be Marner. I think it might be Marner because— 120-pound Mitch Marner. Yeah, but somebody could hold him by his, like, entire body with their hand. But, like, even Gretzky got into a stupid fight. Like, Gretzky got into a fight with, like, a heavyweight enforcer. We were talking about it before the show.

Remember when Conor McDavid Jr. broke his hand? Yeah. In his draft year? Yeah. But he was taking on a guy of comparable size, and he just accidentally punched the boards. Just the worst luck ever. But I could see Marner being like,

all right, you know what? This guy is not that much bigger than me, and I'm sick of his shit, and I've got to stick up for myself. And you know what? We're losing this game, and it's going to be funny. He'll throw a few punches. You know what?

I hung out with Matt Martin. He taught me a couple things. He throws some punches. There comes a time in a superstar's career where they just go, okay this is I'm picking my spot I have to do this

Crosby's been in like five or six fights yep yep wasn't his first one like Alex Goligosky or something like that because he was just like

this is the one but I'm not surprised with Crosby because like if there's a hair out of place he's upset about it like Crosby gets upset and especially early on

in his career he's chilled a little bit I can't imagine Nylander getting into a fight nah I don't think he cares he just doesn't even I think he cares

he just no no Do you think Neil Nylander really cares to get into a fight? I don't mean he doesn't care about what's on the ice. Of course he does. I think Matthews is a lot more excitable than Nylander, if that makes sense. And Matthews is not that excitable. And Marner's probably the most excitable, like you said.

Yeah, but I just don't... I think size, man. I just don't think you pick that if you're Marner. So who are you picking? Who gets in there first? Oh, I got to go with Matthews, yeah. I say Marner. All right, okay.

Maurice, 94. And I think we should shut this down. because I think we're all on the same page as this. His question was, should fans respect the arena name change and cease calling it ACC? And I think that's such a ridiculous thing. Why are you respecting the other sponsor?

Are you loyal to the Air Canada? Exactly. It's Scotiabank Arena. Get over it. People are like, oh, I'm so upset. It's like Memba Berries. It's like all the Memba Berries stuff again.

It's like, Memba the ACC. Oh, I'm Memba. 10 years of fucking terrible hockey. And yeah, I don't know, man. What are we remembering? Why are we just giving another sponsor the name?

I remember when it was the Canada Post building where there are actual letters, okay? So that's... What was the Canada Post building? That was what it was. It was a Canada Post... That building has been there for like 100 years. And they renovated it.

Oh, you mean the Union Station. No, no. The ACC... The ACC's on top. It was kind of like... No, no, it's attached to. Yeah, but it's a brand new building. No, it's not.

The facade on it... The facade is a brand new building. It's not. We're going to argue this to death Dude it's not The Canada Post part was part of Union No it's not It's actually not

It was connected underneath the train tracks Because the letters would come off the train And they would go into the building But Union is on one side of the tracks Canada Post building on the other You're just not counting The train track part Is kind of what I'm counting as Union

So they took an enormous warehouse And turned it into a hockey arena I am loyal to that Toronto's architectural gems The postal delivery building Now the ACC No Incorrect

Now the Scotiabank Arena Ah The Scoti Well and it's not It's a little bit different From like even The Sky Dome Turning into the Rogers Centre

Yeah because the Sky Dome Was a name Well No but there was also Some sort of sponsorship Involved No that was the Jumbotron Jumbotron was a sponsorship

Oh was that it Yeah Well and also people Called it the Dome Like it kind of Worked its way into like because it was

slang almost the Sky Dome was supposed to be a brand in and of itself right and that was before that was kind of in the days

before corporate sponsorship it was also a vote was it not was it yeah I think it was a vote on a bunch of lists and names

and the Sky Dome was one of them that makes sense so it's different but like no oh I'm gonna miss Air Canada I'm gonna miss

the Quicken Loans Arena like just I'll call it the ACC accidentally for probably the next three or four years but it's not

because I'm like gosh darn it screw you Scotiabank take it away the one thing I love yeah I think

I think when they start calling it the Maple Leaf Farms Toronto Maple Leafs or something like that like if you if you have a team sponsored name

that would piss me off like the the Leafs should like sponsor like the new Seattle Arena the Toronto Maple Leafs the Toronto Maple Leafs

well home of the Seattle whatever's their name Boston the Toronto Dominion Garden in Boston the TD Bank but I bet you

there's a lot of Bruins fans who don't even consider they just call it the TD Bank but it's Toronto Dominion Bank they don't call it Toronto hey

let's go to a game at the Toronto Dominion Bank no one calls it Toronto Dominion so the woman who won the contest to name

the Sky Dome the Sky Dome oh this is great received a free pair of tickets to every event that was ever held in the Sky Dome

for the rest of her life but what did that change when it got to Rogers Center I don't know I didn't read the whole article at the start here. I hope she still got those damn tickets. But it starts with, she had front row seats to the Rolling Stones, Backstreet Boys, Elton John, Justin Bieber, the Jays World Series triumphs, and a few Grey Cops.

All free of charge. Justin Bieber has to because the Rogers Center was Rogers Center. So this is still going apparently. So they carried over. That's amazing. That's incredible. Think of all the amazing shit you would have seen. Wow.

That's like over 100 Gs. Yeah, she got for free. Wow. That's a decent deal, man. Good for you. I mean, I'll always take actual money, but that's not a bad runner-up. Kelly Watson is her name. She's received two free tickets to every event that will ever be held there

in her lifetime, there being the Skydome. I hope she was, like, in her mid-30s. That means that she's got, like, a solid 40 years of that left. She looks young in the photo. Good for her. That's awesome. Yeah, I hope she's still going. Wow.

And you know what? It's funny. They've called it the Rogers Center for years, but the seats up in the 500 level still say Skydome. Oh did Well because They're not gonna Replace them

Come on now Yeah Maybe one day But no Come on now So anyway Well and they're all blue And Rogers is red

No the answer is no It's a corporate sponsor Guys you should be Fucking jacked That Scotiabank Paid 800 million dollars Over the next 20 years

Which by the way Is a worldwide record Not ever been done before And Tavares Like Tavares' Entire Seven year contract Is like a drop in the bucket

Yeah That will pay for Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews and half of the rest of the team. It's going to pay for the Toronto Maple Leafs for Well, $40 million a year. Yeah. It's going to pay for a lot. A lot.

Several seasons of the Toronto Maple Leafs. And I do know from a source that there are some cool things that Scotiabank has planned along with this partnership. Yeah, they're not just slapping their name on the building. Yeah, this is not just going to be a name. There are renovations underway. The screen's getting bigger.

That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. The outside one? Yeah. They're putting out a new one. I also didn't know that was a thing that needed to be done. It does. Yes, it does. A bigger screen.

Down at the Scosche. Ah, the Scosche. I don't know what the name's going to be. The bank. The vault. The shuh. The vault. There was only one place to go.

What is it now? The SBA? The shuh. The SBA. Scotiabank. Scotiabank. Yeah, SBA. Down at the SBA.

We're not. It's fun to play at the S-B-A No, no, it doesn't work Boys, spa day? Yo, it's our spa day! Yo, I love that! I love that, it's amazing!

Spa day? Yo, we should make a t-shirt Spa day? Seriously! Come on, no, it's not People would buy that Tweet in and tell them that you would buy that Tell Steve and Jesse you would buy that

Are you going to still call it the Rico? Because this is now Coca-Cola Arena? Coca-Cola Coliseum? Yes. I'm going to call it the Coke. No, I'm loyal to Rico and the things that they sell. What is Rico? I don't know.

Is that a company? Yeah, it totally is. I don't know what kind of company. I wonder what the original... It was like the Toronto Exhibition Arena or something dumb like that. Absolutely no idea. They used to hold horse shows. It's a Just Energy power play.

Just Energy, I know, is probably an energy company. Ricoh is a Japanese multinational imaging and electronics company. Why would they buy the sponsorship? It didn't do them any good. Because when you Google Ricoh, the first thing that comes up is Ricoh Coliseum. So, got them some name recognition. But that doesn't tell me anything about them. anytime I saw their logo

I just went ah ah you're the Marley's people you're the Marley's you're the Marley's and also the horse show people

so their revenue was 2 trillion yen I don't know how much oh they're a big company 2 trillion yen is isn't that like 5 dollars yeah

yeah like 100 yen is I think that's a little I don't know I'm aware Jesse you see hyperbole is often used I'd like to know what the Coca-Cola number was.

I'm sure it was pretty significant. To rename Rico Coca-Cola. You're still renaming a building in Toronto. You can probably ask. And to get a guy... You can probably ask. It almost makes the Marley's look good, too, because Coca-Cola's a pretty big company.

Like, that's a big deal that you're... I know what you're going for. The AHL team is going Coca-Cola. Like, that's a big deal. What number is that? Oh, what? 804 million? 804 billion?

That's 804 billion, yes. So, Rico's net income was 804 billion. I don't think so. I converted 68 billion yen to Canadian dollars. Wasn't it 68 million? Oh, 804 billion? Oh, yeah, that makes sense. No, wait, what?

Is it net income or net value? I paid 804 billion to name Rico. Wait, what? He's talking about the company's net income. Oh. Rico's net income. Did you seriously think I thought they paid? Yeah, I'm dumb.

I'm sorry. Rico's net income was 68 billion yen. Their revenue was 2 trillion yen. Wait a second. Why would their revenue... Is that net revenue? Did you add it? No, it's just revenue.

No. No way. I'm reading. What's their fucking net... No, that's... What's their net revenue? You're wrong. Their revenue...

Is worth more than the company? Year-ended, March 31st, 2018, revenue is 2 trillion yen. Their net income, year-ended, March 31st, 2018, is 68 billion yen. I don't know what any of these numbers mean. 68 billion yen? I am simply reading Wikipedia. I think you converted it wrong. I didn't convert anything.

I'm reading this. that's yes but then did you copy this yes and then i already don't care yeah neither do i i don't care this is dumb next question everybody turn off the podcast i will not read it which oiler's year is closer to the reality of the team 2016-17 or 17-18 this is from house md oh 16-17 100% Yeah? Yeah Come on

They're not like They are not a bad team You can't tell me Like They have Connor McDavid man Yeah No And Leon Dreisaitl

And And Ryan Stroh No I think When Cam Talbot was so poor Yeah man Last year And he was so good Oscar Clefbaum's been hurt for three years

Come on I'm gonna go with they're closer to 16-17 Yeah I think they're a second round playoff team They're fun to pick on Even though I'm not sold Their management is definitely fun to pick on but Conor McDavid, dude.

Now, if you were to ask me to handicap their chances of screwing it up, I would say the chances are very good. Oh, well, yeah. And, I mean, if they suffer another injury on defense on top of Sequeira, I mean, they're already in tough. You get another one? Yeah, I don't know, bud. Yep.

But if Puglia-Yarvey takes a step, which I would bet he would, if Kyler Yamamoto makes the team full-time and he's good, that definitely solves a big problem for the Oilers and they just win every game 8-7. Yeah, Kyler Yamamoto

is a guy that that could be your Eberle replacement eventually. I mean, that should have been the guy you got for Eberle.

Yeah, but But yeah, I get you. Yeah, that could be the guy that makes if he can get 50 points then you're fine. Well, that'd be great. That would be great.

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