The Steve Dangle Podcast - Good Freevening | June 30, 2025

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, 00:00 Knies and Tavares remain Leafs 23:10 Marner, Vegas, and Tampering 1:00:30 Pezzetta, Jeannot, and Tanev 1:12:30 Brad Marchand 1:26:30 An Evan Bouchard off sheet? 1:39:45 Morgan Geekie signs in Boston 1:42:00 Detroit gets a goalie 1:46:30 Rasmus Andersson 1:47:45 Matias Maccelli is a Leaf Subscribe to the sdpn YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@sdpn?sub_confirmation=1Join - SDP VIP: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a0z05HiddEn7k6OGnDprg/join Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/thestevedanglepodcast Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sdpvip/subscribe - Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.BlakeJoin us on Discord: https://discord.com/invite/MtTmw9rrz7 For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. No, Steve, you can't tell them that. I can't tell them? No. Oh, I want to tell them. Nah, you can't. But I know this big thing. No, I know there's rumblings, but you can't let people in on them.

Noise even. Yeah. Hold it back. Definitely don't put it out there for the clicks and the views. No. 100%. We don't need those. No.

We certainly don't. Absolutely not. Long weekend. Jesus. I'll be like a cop in both your ears to start. You guys are fucking on the ball today. Long weekend. Long break.

listen is it a is it a brad summer is it a hot brad summer again no the last one of those ended in disaster but i will say that so far uh they couldn't fire him he quit that's right he did not get fired they were so mad he left they wouldn't let him join the leafs for the first round pick on the draft floor yeah they're bummed you can't i'm never gonna forget you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave the Flames. Brad Marchand, we'll get to. Brad Treliving, Tavares Dunn, Nyes Dunn,

according to the CJ Show, which I listened to already this morning. Steven Lorenz is getting worked on. Yes, the passion. Listen. The passion! I just want to say, I'm going to start with this, okay?

Because all we heard after the second round loss is how nobody wants to friggin' play here. You know what Matthew Nyes likes? Playing here. Playing here. According to James Myrtle, He loves playing in Toronto, loves playing with Austin Matthews and being a Leaf

and the attention that's on him Tavares takes almost half of what Brock Nelson got to stay Tavares and Nyes will cost the Leafs combined almost

a million dollars less than they cost last year in total contract value It was roughly about 12-3 last year and now it'll be like 11 and a half oh my god yeah i didn't even think about yeah so it's going to cost it's it's marginal but it's still something so tovaris oh last year was all about everyone getting raises right i it was the number one thing that i highlighted i'm like hey they're going in with basically the same forwards except they make so much more money and they don't have tyler bertuzzi this actually kind of sucks so adam i assume you read the david

alter tweet is what you're referencing i think you read it backwards i read it backwards yeah you stupid idiot you read it backwards oh so dumb ass 200 grand oh my god so david alter tweeted over the weekend that uh john tavarez and matthew nice combined salary hit for 24 25 is 11.9 million and this upcoming season it'll be 12.1 million damn it david why didn't you check my work so just to correct mr adam okay well listen that's marginal an increase of 1.79 percent in total uh total salary between the two of them and let me say this an increase of a hundred percent passion in the fan base you know i think i think here's the deal man that's a good step toronto's gonna get it's a good step super leaf fans are gonna get super blue and white on you in the next three

four years we are done with this bullshit about oh it's so hard to play here it's so oh it's so hard and and to quote the guy who's leaving they're treated like gods it's not that bad there are some elements of it that i'm sure nobody appreciates uh but i think you get that with most jobs and here's the great thing the money's pretty cool if you're good at it and what i am seeing with brad for living in this this first weekend guys and i just want to talk just about this forget the marner piece okay the toronto mate beliefs are finding common ground and making good contracts that work for the player but also don't bend the team over a barrel and for me it makes shanny and dubas who signed the all of the previous contracts the exception being the

william neilander contract i think that was always a good deal uh except for the first season where he missed the way it happened the way it happened sucked yeah it played he played it into a good deal yes i would say a good bet right yeah uh totally i would say that shanee and dubas are not looking real good right now in terms of their management of the cap and you can flat cap me to death but the reality is it looks like um matthew nye signed for a contract hit that even drew hated it and then he went and did research and he was like actually it's not so bad considering you you have to adjust for inflation and that is something i'm having personally a lot of difficulty with like a couple of the contracts signed recently that will get to nick haig and

kevin ball i'm like pardon what where on earth did those numbers come from i'm having to wrap my head around uh new reality baby new reality it's it's difficult like uh the boldy deal and what was it the genther deal oh that'd be good for nice okay yeah but they signed it before now now it's now so it's more than that and and that's what he ended up signing and he got less than wyatt johnson and he should uh why johnson's a center like why and johnson's younger but but got a year longer than johnson did and i think that is they bought a year of ufa sure it's a big deal big deal so i the whole thing should not just be about the comparison with shanney and dubas but we are coming out of the shanney era yeah and i think it's a relevant thing to talk

about but but the way brad handled those two negotiations i wanted to get your thoughts on because it seems like there isn't a leaf fan out there who's unhappy about them uh not that i've seen really like my favorite part of it all is no mess no stress like it's it's we can head into july 1st tomorrow and it's done already and like now they're all the way down to the depth guys like they're working on steven lorenz oh all right awesome it's just nice not having this hang over them uh listen we shouldn't be singing brad's praises until we find out what he's doing in free agency is oh we got marsh and whoa for 12 mil per oh no like we gotta wait for some of If Marshae comes to Toronto, you're just going to have to eat the number.

If he comes to Toronto, they're paying a fortune. So pick your poison. Do you not want him here, or do you want him here and it's too much money? Those are your options. Here's where I'm at. Here's where I'm at. Because now we're going all over. The Tavares deal, I could kiss him on the mouth.

He should. There were some fans who never fully embraced him because of the money. And I understand it. it's a lot of money and unfortunately the salary cap makes it so that you can never divorce a player from the amount of money they make you can't do it um you know Nylander it's kind of interesting he could do no wrong making less than seven 11.5 every shift he took off you notice you make 11 and a half million dollars what do you mean a shift off Tavares for 4.38 his worst season as a leaf would be worth at least that and last year he put up his second highest goal total ever

and then nize it's reasonable to assume he's only going to get better even if he stays here 29 and 29 roughly 30 30 for for the duration of this deal while being a power playing penalty killing freight train stay yeah absolutely those are those are unicorns those are rare those are hard to find jesse yeah we haven't actually haven't had a chance to talk about the jt deals no we've done a last show it feels like we did a little bit on our stream yeah but that's not this show right so i feel like there's been a million things that have happened in between now and then so yeah looking at the deal and just seeing how everything's played out it's one of the best deals like in the history of the toronto maple leafs considering a salary cap exists it's post 0405

and before that it didn't really matter what the money was so you could divorce these players from the salary cap and seeing a guy who almost had 40 goals take a contract that's 4.38 million with the on the AAV because of the deferred money it's incredible value that I don't think there's no way you can bend this to be upset with it if you look at the top 17 scorers from last season none of them make under uh seven million dollars if you just go by goal score just goals top 17 none of them make under seven million dollars and you're getting a guy who had 38 and right in the top 10 or 12th actually in the league last year and you're getting him for so little money and it speaks to me that the leafs use the leverage of being the toronto maple leafs for the one time

in their history of their franchise you know adam you mentioned shannon dubas they never did it there's so much money to be made off the ice for being a toronto maple leaf for the entirety of your life it's cool to see that they obviously use that as leverage against jt and you have a player who's an ex-captain who recognizes that who recognizes i'm more important as a leaf for the rest of my life than i am going somewhere and getting an extra couple million dollars per year and i might as well make 7.75 for the duration of my years where it's difficult to make money it's difficult to make money as an rfa right so i can take this sweet ass deal let them buy one year well that's that's matthew nye's yeah he's i'm talking about john sorry we're sort of

packaging the two i but sorry all that to say like with tavaris you know people not being able to divorce the the money from their performance like you score 47 goals it's like yeah you make 11 million you should uh he should be honest to goodness one of the most popular release uh this up this upcoming season you've been begging for hometown talent he is one you've been begging for guys to take a discount he very aggressively is i've been begging for the leafs to use their financial might and you know bend the rules a little and by bend the rules i mean uh sign guys to deals that will be illegal next year but they're not now sign them to deferred money the Leafs have two of those now with McCabe and Tavares so they're saving I don't even know

how much money per season a few hundred grand which you know it makes a difference um I'm aware of the team that I cheer for I know and I know they have a Mitch Marner sized hole to fill these two deals help you fill that hole the Tavares contract it fits so many of the Leafs narratives that were unhappy about coming out of the playoffs like for this guy to take the less money there's like an avenue now for him to have his rafter in the jersey or jersey in the rafter instead of backwards i like the rafter in the jerseys you could probably do that if he really finagled it um like engineering students he's anyone he's he's ex-captain he's gonna be forever there's plenty of guys up there who hasn't won anything but the importance that he can be now

to a fan base that's getting increasingly angry with this team it can be a complete three six or 180 with the with the fan base where now they love this man for wanting to be a leaf he's changing the narrative what the least want to do with this franchise he's helping do it by taking this contract it's cool to see i i want to say i got a cool comparable for you guys in a second here we're gonna go leafs nerd for you but before we do that i want to say that jesse i think you absolutely nailed it and one of the things i've been sort of talking about bringing up is can the leafs be likable again and you know for a while there the unlikable leaf was william newlander because uh for whatever reason the media really got on him before covet about whatever and they're

like he's gonna get traded he's gonna get traded he's gonna get traded they're gonna trade him they need to trade him he's gonna get traded never got traded never listened to any of the bullshit and slowly because of the way and and i'll just say it and and they probably wouldn't be thrilled to hear this but who cares the way that the Marner camp handled their own PR um like idiots yeah it was not it was not a well thought out strategy and it didn't work out well for them like petulant spoiled breath so it went from Nylander being sort of the the guy that people beat on to Marner being the guy that people beat on uh and you know Matthews got criticism but it was you know compared to those two guys I don't think he got a lot and then Tavares I

always felt like there was there was a narrative out there after that montreal series where he got need in the head and came back and was a little sluggish the next season that he was washed i never subscribed to that and after it's great almost 30 goals yeah it's so crazy that um that the season after that was a great like 2022 was a great season for john it was a head injury i'm not sure if he had a neck injury as well and a knee injury yeah all of that he was recovering from yeah and and so while he's washed now but you you go and he goes scores 38 goals last year i think i think what toronto maple leaf fans want to know is that you want to be here and that you would die for this team the way we would if we could be on the ice and matthew nize loves the

attention love him john tavaris maybe he doesn't love the attention i don't know if he doesn't i don't think he even notices it i don't john does not register yeah for that he loves i don't think he's aware of it yeah he's like no i got i got kombucha to drink man like i got stuff to do and he's got three kids and like who gives a shit what's happening on social media when you got kids um one comparable i want to give you john tavaris was 34 years old and going into ufa when he signed this contract there was another guy who was 34 signed with the leafs on a five-year contract and signed for roughly the same amount of money about 15 years ago actually almost closer to 20 and his name is jason blake jason blake was coming off a 40 goal season with the islanders

he signed a five-year contract worth 20 million bucks the cap percentage at that time was roughly eight percent of the cap about seven and a half to eight percent it was a huge deal it was a huge deal john had 30 is coming off 38 goals is 34 will be 35 when the season starts almost like i said almost 40 goals and signs for four now and it just goes to show like the cap back then was like 50 million dollars so to give jason blake that amount of money who by the way by all you know he had health issues and cancer and that sort of thing jason blake was a good guy who took who unfortunately ran into a tough time in toronto he had 15 goals his first year wasn't great he had a tough first year and if you go and look at the rest of his time he

actually wasn't bad yeah he was pretty good yeah uh but the leaf fans had already moved on it was just it was a grumpy time to be a leaf fan and they were severely mismanaged my point is that that was 2007 2008 that's the first season of lfr we're 25 26 here right yeah going into and tavaris just signed for that i want you as a leaf fan to understand how monumental that is that is huge that is a big deal and even if you do the like right now comparison brock nelson who is 33 years old had like almost half of the amount of points that yeah and he signed for 7.5 million dollars he makes like half a million more than trent frederick and like matt duchesne who has money coming from the nashville predators and doesn't need any kind

of money took more than john tavarez at 4.5 now it's 4.5 for jt2 but the deferred money makes it 4.38 right there's nothing like that in matt duchesne's contract so the con the thing that matters the salary cap hit is more and these guys who had worse seasons are i think worse players than jt took so much more money now if you want to be a cynic about it he's made over 100 mil like he's fine sure whatever that that's never the case whatever why wouldn't you like hey listen man you always want to get your market value in some way you want to feel like your work is you know what's better than not money money yeah exactly i don't know whatever he recognizes i'm to make back whatever it is that i'm losing on this contract by being a toronto maple leaf yeah

he's gonna do it for the rest of his life it's awesome and home is home yeah that matters to listen i i don't know what's happened in in anybody's life we all have a story some of us really really like home i love home i can't imagine ever living outside of the gta i just camp do you mean ajax age no you're not you're not moving another another part of the side of the gta since you were like 24 man yeah you're picking you mean the east end of the gta you don't think osh was the gta i'm gonna beat you up how dare you the go train line is clearly the gta so that goes all the way to falls is gta no that's a good point On the weekends, you can take the

GoTrain out to the falls. Oshawa is wholeheartedly... So is Barry GTA? Because I don't think they think he's GTA. They're not. Barry's definitely not the GTA, and there's a GoTrain line out there. Hmm. This is an interesting conversation.

We've probably updated something you've thought like 20 years ago, and now you're thinking about it again. I could never leave the GTA, except for when I did half my life ago. I didn't know Oshawa is 1000% the GTA. I don't know. million i'd like to hear from people from off oshawa if they consider themselves the gta well okay you're gonna get the old ones who are like how dare you this is its own metropolis

and then you're gonna get the reasonable people who are like what are you talking about absolutely not i don't even think you can consider hamilton the gta because when you're talking about hamilton they add the h you know farther and bigger yeah hamilton is his own thing so there's a a new saying out there called gth a yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah that i still think that term's a bit of a reach no because i think hamilton is such its own thing that they add the h greater toronto hamilton area yeah it's a just say burlington yeah well then you're then you're not saying hamilton what hamilton needs it to be about him talking about what like if you're saying greater toronto hamilton area yeah you're talking about the space between toronto and

hamilton just say burlington i don't i don't get it what do you mean you don't get it adam i don't think you're wrong but it's it's hamilton is the major city center which is why if you're talking about the greater toronto like hamilton area you're not talking about toronto yeah but we're adding hamilton to the gta by adding the h oh yeah i'm misunderstanding what that means you don't yeah yeah i get it now anyway why don't you simply call it something else that it isn't i didn't know i didn't understand at all i get it now this is fun i like this some people great deal jt some people like home he's home and he's gonna stay home some people want to escape home they don't want to be anywhere near home some people leave home and it's something that they

wanted and they discovered they miss home some people stay home and it ends up being a terrible idea we all have our journeys i think john tavaris is getting exactly what he and his family want and they're going to stay home i i i want to i want to also mention you know when steven lorenz signed here after winning his his championship with florida uh although he was a pto he turned down real money elsewhere to be here and brad said to him uh listen make the team we'll figure it out and i think the same sort of situation happened with max patch ready like come here we're gonna figure it out you're ready and um zach astin reese like the leafs well but zach astin reese is a while ago that's a while yeah but who cares but it's it's

valid because there's evidence that the leafs will do this with a player and make good on it right i'm just talking just let me talk about the stephen lorenz i'm talking about the passion steve go for it i don't know if zach astin reese has the passion i think he was just a guy that dubas wanted to fill a warm body passion i don't know what steven lorenz was like i love toronto i love the leafs i want to be here i'm going to turn down a guaranteed contract to be here no bad and and so you know with them working on whatever deal it is and i think he signed like league men and he probably gets maybe gets a 1 million dollar or 1.1 i don't know what he gets it doesn't really matter um that sort of attitude we talk about a dna change i think as i started

this guys the leaf leaf nation needs to be a little bit more rah rah leafs and f everybody else and you know what where else i've noticed it there's clearly been a big change at mlse at the top as we know uh from how they handle their social media it looks completely the toronto maple leaf social media in the last two weeks has gone from a robot to admin making jokes and that's that is the admin that's that's direction coming yeah it's not the admin is boring it's the yeah it's brendan shanahan didn't want to make any waves on social media you weren't allowed to do anything fun everything had to be serious you're the leafs you cannot not make waves like please embrace that and stop pretending and they were not pretending you're anything different they

were making jokes about oh here's our war room for the first round of the draft knowing full well they don't have a pick and like hilarious stuff and it's like how about we make this brand likable again and where where i i'm i'm very excited to see what keith pelly does not only are these guys signing for good contracts i think the players win and the team wins in these contracts but they're signing guys back who want to be here who are dying to be here and they're going to stock the roster with a bunch of those guys and listen you know we've had so many people walk through here and go oh they're gonna trade willie oh and you remember that brian burke quote from five years ago which was just brian chum in the water total bullshit quote about he's gonna leave for

arizona no he's not matthews yeah just yeah sorry i should have said matthews total total bullshit quote he pulled out of his ass and i would say that to him but i also know at that time his job was to be i wouldn't have said really 20 years ago a really good yeah i'd say to him now uh really good on-air personality which brian burke always was he was great fantastic on the air and that stuck with people until that contract got extended and i think austin also loves being here he loves the spotlight wants to be in it and so when i when i look at this group now and we will move to mitch marner here because we buried the lead on purpose this is a guy in mitch where it's become pretty clear even jonah siegel's like openly writing it in his articles for 18 months

this guy hasn't wanted to be here and and it's it's it's okay because breakups happen um but get on with it but get on with it like yeah and and so what are we doing because you know so many people blame the agent and darren ferris has a job to do but i look at the way his other client reputation no i look at the way just i look at the way sam bennett got done quietly easily there was a little bit of talk out there that he could get 10 million if he hit the open market seeing what besser got you could see how maybe that might be true i don't know if it would have been a full 10 but it would have been significant the panthers bent they wanted to give him for haggie's deal he ended of getting a million dollars more um but it was quiet it was done quietly besser hasn't signed

anywhere not besser bennett oh bennett with florida bennett that's the same agent right besser is not the same agent right if you heard a loud whirring sound it was me trying to figure out the besser deal oh okay yeah no i think you accidentally said better oh i meant bennett oh sorry that's why i got confused so that confused everything he's a free agent so i was when you look at how sorry darren ferris handled the bennett thing yes there we go there we go relatively quiet i'm sorry i said bester because they were talking about best around the cj show right as i uh because it was talking about winnipeg and are you listening to the cj show right no i was listening to it before the show okay all right anyway my point is that it's pretty

clear this whole notion about we're gonna wait till july july 15th well and we'll get into the tampering thing in a second uh well that's probably not gonna happen now we're gonna sign a short-term deal uh to maximize dollars well that might not even happen now and the fact is mitch might go to vegas and by the end of the show by the end of the show you know and hold on and hold on and not make 12 million oh i know because apparently what's happened as of this morning is they're going to go longer vegas doesn't want to pay him 12 but they want to give him the money that he wants so they might go longer term to bring the aav down and this is where remember i started the whole show with shanee and dubas if mitch signs in vegas for less than 12 million bucks it doesn't

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can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcf walk.ca here's here's here's what i'll say so this is obviously a tough negotiation the this vegas stuff even though mitch isn't there yet he wants to go to dallas he can't go to dallas ranting is there i can tell you he wants to go to la the high tax state listen based on what i'm hearing about these numbers at least some people in his camp already feel slighted the seed has been planted good luck really of course interesting i've heard that adam everything every fucking thing was an issue yeah but but steve this every gosh but but steve thing was an issue this time it's his choice to sign it they got nobody to blame but themselves

i'm not sure he's ever made a choice okay well but this is and this is the difference right you look at oh well he's not going to sign till mid-july or he's going to do this and he's going to do that the reality is that sam bennett same agent handled quietly quickly deal done mitch marner same agent loudly slowly as painfully and drawn out as possible it's it's the it is it is and they it's the prince harry south park episode we want privacy and by the way buy my new book yeah i think what darren ferris should do is hire a part-time pr person uh on this one and i don't blame darren he acts at the behest of the client why would you hire help when you yourself are so fucking smart the thing you can't get away from

with with mitch and i think it's a great point is that like everything he's done here has been avoidable and the divorce with toronto the way it's been dragged out for the couple months now couple years yes well a couple years yeah to be honest but like since the playoffs ended and now there could have been a thank you toronto uh post from him a a well he has in the media he hasn't left yet he hasn't left but he can declare i'm going to july 1st and i'm done because he is and he knows that and he wants to move on and the whole thing that's going on here is entirely avoidable i think you lose leverage maybe if you do that no because there's 20 there's 31 other teams you don't lose anything because he knows he's done and it could have been a nice clean

divorce this all could have been avoided but this every time he does something there always has to be the most amount of drama around well and it goes back to jesse like nick kiprios god bless him i'm a big fan of him personally i i'd love to talk to him directly about this but the toronto star article about how the leafs undervalued mitch uh a couple of weeks ago and i and i just question how like they paid him top market value the entire time he's gonna go sign in vegas for maybe seven or eight hundred grand more per season and i i'm just and i get that there's a tax situation just but i don't see the leafs sent him sent him out there every pp1 for most of the power play he got all the pk time and he deserved it he was spectacular he got hey him and austin

wanted to play together oh the coach wants to experiment no you can't because mitch and austin want this and i'm sorry even sorry brube keith uh babcock actually kept them separate um we've been justifying this for i'm just trying to i'm trying to figure out here like i i don't know that the leafs could have done anymore and what i'm i am interested in and i will say this if this vegas deal happens guys one thing i do know about vegas and we have an agent who has had some experiences with vegas's management when they don't want a player anymore and that led to one of the most infamous moments in nhl history with the deborah sword through the back of mark andre flurry which you know alan doesn't like to bring up but it happens it did happen ferris is

not the only agent i criticize you might remember i i criticized alan i criticized alan heavily for multiple shows and you're like let's do a show with him i'm like you're a stupid idiot and it ended up being one of the smartest decisions we've ever made he thinks he thought it was funny the great thing with owning a company with adam is if he makes a great decision i also did well of course we all do um but we we we look at that and we go okay so okay let's let's play this out let's game play this out you go you go play in vegas okay vegas last year had not a great second round no i do think marner makes them better but what i will say is you go there and you do this and by the way for all the people that are saying oh well there's rumors that petrangelo might he's

not coming back this year yeah especially with the it's not happening uh and they'll be better without alex petrangelo well no they'll be they will be able to bring him back for the playoffs though if he can play in the playoffs he might be done forever yeah i think he's probably done forever but they there is that option that still that loophole exists for another year 25 i don't think forever but i i don't think we're seeing him this season mitch marner going in there has got to understand that maybe the media pressure is different maybe the fan pressure is different but the organizational pressure is much higher. When Toronto failed, Toronto made zero effort to hold people accountable. And sometimes the way you hold people accountable is you trade them.

We didn't do that. We said, you know what? Nope. That's an app. Oh, they didn't do well there. Well, that that's, well, there was a whole bunch of other things. Oh, well, they didn't do well in that series. Well, there was just a whole bunch of other things. Well, they didn't do that in that that serious. Well, I mean, I see your point, but like what happens if, I mean, we might even get worse. They didn't allow for the possibility that making a change might make them better. Now the change is being forced on them. And I just hope the martyr camp understands that you go to Vegas and you don't perform. They move on. The expectations from management are championship or bust. How many times have we seen it? And by the way, Dallas is the same.

they just fired their head coach who took them to what two or three straight conference finals i think three and listen it was time for deborah to go but the leafs would have looked at that and been like shit built me a statue we go to the conference final build me where's my statue there is still a big pocket of the fan base that's like well we went to game seven against the cup champs guys holy shit just got a television huh you haven't had one since 2017 yeah like oh my god there's no way we're still having this conversation like like it's impossible imagine this the the statues that would have been built for gilmore and clark and those guys if they'd gone to three straight eastern there are tax paying voters who are like yeah

but they were close again holy shit how did you get yourself worked up about that you you presented these people, and then you got yourself worked up. You asking that question is on you. How did I get worked up to the same thing that you yourself proposed?

How did I get worked up? Jesse. I just think. Jesse. Toronto. I'm going to make another coffee. You've never known anything else. Toronto has its drawbacks, but it also has in men's positives and i'll tell you this vegas are ruthless and so you know ask the guys who have been booted out there on so unceremoniously after great seasons after great seasons but they

didn't get it done in the playoffs and i just think they are i hope they're aware of that is my point now when it comes to the tampering guys uh we got word of this before it broke publicly and i was to be honest very surprised that frege went public with it uh i think that was a uh uh i think that was a calculated risk on his part frege is pretty uh pretty conservative i think he knows what he's doing yeah i'm not questioning it i was just like holy shit he's going with this okay well and he is torpedoing a source like a million oh my god if you were mitch marner's camp would you ever talk to him again well i don't know that mitch marner's camp would have known that they may not have known oh they probably would have actually because here's the thing well

tampering with who yeah the the interesting thing is the the the vegas could be fined up to a couple like first rounders five million bucks but the player and the agent could be fined too player could be like a million bucks agent could be decertified yes that's how serious this is lose their ability to be an nhlpa yeah so i think it's understandable why the other side of it who is in content the constant contact with that agent probably wouldn't have gone with the story and that's why i think uh elliot freeman knows what he's doing there you go oh i there you go i'm not doubting him i'm just surprised i think we know where a lot of the mitch marner things come out with and i don't think the other side might be willing to burn that i see contact there i see

jesse always thinking ahead thousand foot view uh now the thing about it is that martyr to vegas does in a lot of ways make a lot of sense hockey wise like i can see vegas's mo as they're in on every big free agent who can blame them first class organization great place to live tax-free state it's a nice dry heat too it gets cool in the in the in the evening so you can actually enjoy it not every uh not every evening it's 100 at midnight when i got there and and so now it's come to you know the initial thing was well toronto and vegas are going to work out something if mitch wants to sign there because um that's the sign and trade that kiprios was putting out there that i was like there's no friggin way that's happening because he mentioned like hurdle

and i was like and he was on the sign in trade before everybody was i gotta give credit mentioning william carlson and tom he called it but with the wrong players yeah when we'll see how it all shakes out like we don't know maybe those players will be in it he could be right but he was on the sign and trade before everybody and i didn't believe a sign and trade was possible it's going to happen and kiprios threw it down it's like that's ridiculous and then now this weekend we got hey sign and trades really possible yeah now the names that we heard this weekend where vegas said okay well we'll give you nicholas waugh or we'll give you nicholas hag you can which nicolai would you like and uh the leaf said we'll take both please and that apparently this is again

this is big balls brad over here uh going i'm gonna i'm on a roll so hopefully it was to flip haig now because that contract is cuckoo bananas but what i think has is really reinforced that this is a real possibility is the fact that nick haig was dealt last night to the predators and then he signed an extension but colton sissons is now a vegas golden knight and colton sissons by the way i just want to say the predators have no centerman and they traded colton sissons and so colton sissons is going to come in likely replace nick waugh or nick roy i'm gonna call him nick roy uh it's nicholas waugh um and he is not only the replacement but he's half retained the preds retained on they did yes 50 of his salary this happened right before i got in the

car what yes and so so they are there's the because i think sissons is making like four something i think uh i can look it up he is yeah no i think i'm telling you it's a crazy deal it's a crazy contract i cannot even believe it's happening he's one of those guys like on the all-time he's making he's only making two eight uh so yeah he's making two eight so then on the retained it's only like one point something it's one point four two eight which gives them the center they need to replace wah yeah and gives them a little cap flexibility for the marner deal when it yeah and in that deal too is jeremy lozon who's going to replace uh haig on the back that's yeah man barry trotz is he's the worst worst gm in the world call him every day he's so bad

call him every day he's a madman but um complete madman nick waugh as a fit in toronto i just want to quickly touch on guys because he's not even here people are calling no no i know but people are calling this that's funny extortion which is hilarious or blackmail or blackmail it's it's call it this is this is how the nhl does business the nhl is itching to make an example of somebody we know this but we also know you sent out a memo last week about tampering but we also know that the nhl would prefer that this not be a scandal especially with two of its major teams and so if they're able to do business listen if you think the nhl is run fairly i got news for you it ain't Oh, and so so for anybody that's like, well, you know, the Leafs should get compensation and they should and the NHL should negotiate.

They're not or should investigate. They're not going to do that. But the allegations are out there. If Vegas signs Marner, that these not only these allegations from now that they date back to last year and before. When Mitch Marner basically refused to engage the Leafs, there was a thought that Vegas and them were already sort of talking. And that's that's a Frank Cervale report from this morning. This conversation goes back months and like a year or more. Because last August, Vegas tried to trade for Mitch Marner and that that didn't go through and didn't work. And then again, at the trade deadline, there was a three way deal with Carolina and Vegas and Toronto.

that one fell through again so there's been a lot of vegas marner smoke last year or the truth last year theodore toronto want to shape theodore as they rightly should vegas said no uh at the trade deadline it was more because that was the august deal yeah at the trade deadline was more because marner's wife is pregnant and i will never blame him for this nope i totally agree the and also it doesn't sound like it was his fault and vegas couldn't satisfy the uh picks and players that Carolina wanted in the deal as well. So the deal wasn't fully flushed out. It was a chat.

Yeah, it was a chat. Can we do this? Oh, we can't? Yeah, it never got to the point where like, okay, let's sign some stuff. So Marner to Vegas from a hockey perspective, I got to say, for Vegas fans, I really like. I love the idea of Carlson Marner or Eichel Marner.

Eichel Marner Stone. Like what an insane, insane top pick. Stone's a right winger though. i think yeah but i think they'd figure it out no or or do you i do a barbachev i i would prefer to put him uh marner with carlson actually yep which might sound weird but uh but what dora fay have like what do you what do you what do you move him down i guess we play him with hurdle riley smith's also not that great anymore no he's not um you can definitely move him down you have insane depth you can move him anywhere no i i would prefer marner carlson because for

the vast majority of his career he's at a left-handed center oh it's been matthews it's been tavaris the only right-handed center he's ever played with his bozak right and that was ages ago well and you steve mentioned at the end of the season how long do you think vegas is going to hold in there with mark stone i thought i thought he was the one to go and you might be right because even if they do this season with him he's on year seven of eight so he's got two years left today i don't remember if it was cj or fridge they were talking about the the golden knights are still in on anderson rasmus anderson stone would have to go i'm like what how eventually how so i look at this and i go okay so he's marner is i think in a lot of ways a better version of

what mark stone gave you at his peak he's not the takeaway god that mark stone was in the neutral zone different players different but no no but not marner's a higher score and he's incredible on defense mark stone's a brick shithouse okay is but you're and mark stone is a vastly superior playoff performer agreed vastly but i think that i think that vegas is betting on the fact that mitch marner can be better in the playoff system than in toronto oh maybe maybe he can maybe maybe he goes he wins his cup i'm not being and we have to eat it like the sabers do right like it's entirely possible maybe i think my thing is that vegas is fascinating because mark stone uh would probably be on their roster next year but he'll be gone like he'll be gone after that like that

this if if marner's in vegas uh goodbye mark i mean you're you got you don't think he plays out the two years i don't think so a lot of their ltir shenanigans that we've all complained about has been them managing not just mark stone injuries but surgeries like there's i don't think he's gonna have one of those 1500 game careers there fellas like i i think clock's ticking there where do you guys stand on the just the tampering stuff do you think it actually happens i think it happens all the time no do you think that like they get charged with tampering because i don't think it's going to actually happen getting charged would be surprising to me just because it happens all the time and you would just because it happens all the time doesn't

mean the nhl isn't going to make an example of vegas maybe it happens all the time and they're finally putting their foot down and putting a stop to it all um maybe vegas didn't do it at all um but listen you're not gonna highly highly doubt that you're you're adam this is gonna be maybe my least favorite take i've ever said to you people calling what the leafs are doing to vegas allegedly doing to vegas blackmail yeah no it's called leverage that's blackmail no it's not blackmail there are times where leverage is black do this or i do this that's blackmail do this or i say this and you get punished for it that is blackmail but if i'm vegas i'll take that risk because it's very unlikely that the nhl wants to find negative

like imagine that becomes a story this summer and you've got the hockey cat you don't want this it has the potential to be it could be a major scandal the nhl scandal of this it sounds like there isn't enough evidence for on toronto side to prove that vegas tampered in terms of like a paper trail i haven't heard that's what that's what people keep saying there isn't a paper trail the league would have to investigate and they would be like turn over your phone maybe they could find it i don't know how far they can go with that kind of stuff but ask colin campbell about subpoenaing emails yeah but that's that's under like the law right this is under nhl rules i don't know how much uh emails and texts are in the nhl rulebook cba and what gary batman can do

but it sounds like right now nobody has a paper trail on their table well hold on though the nhl has this way of operating where maybe they don't punish you like immediately but they'll get you back oh like they they have a thing where they the nhl has like remember the chris jericho like the list the nhl has the list and maybe they don't get you on this but the next time you need a favor from head office go fly a kite and maybe for the next 10 years oh man it's so crazy how is vegas the most penalized team in the league this year uh there are ways man there are ways that's the way this this league works there are ways and i'm i'm i'm saying it's it's now that it's out there It really doesn't matter what the ultimate outcome is from a do they get fined or don't they?

What matters is that it's out there and that the NHL, by doing nothing, unless they allow some sort of trade to go through here and then it all goes away and everybody go. If the Leafs make that accusation publicly, whether or not it's investigated, whether or not Vegas is directly fined, draft picks or whatever, this is bad. Elliott putting that out there is so ballsy. Yeah, it's so ballsy. Like, how many insiders, like, on the Mount Rushmore of hockey insiders, he's on it, and you're to plant your flag with this story, what balls? Like, I take it from me, guy who doesn't know how to do this shit, he must have 40 kablillion sources, and the audacity to come out with that, man, good for him. like this this is what we're asking for as fans yeah 100 well and but boys if elliot's saying that okay and we're talking about hey and by the way he was not the only one who knew there was a lot

of people who knew who just didn't we're like yeah maybe not going public with that one i wonder you gotta be sure i want you gotta be sure i wonder he must have jesse like if they're saying that to him they must have a paper trail we don't know yet i don't know you can't because that's like if i'm elliot i need to see the paper trail right before i go with that elliot did not make an accusation no he's saying it's being whisper whispered about throughout the league but it's so serious steve how many gms have an axe to grind with vegas and how many gms have an axe to grind imagine the outrage from ottawa if this if this scandal goes through and vegas gets nothing no one should be more upset about this than ottawa because it's vegas it is no no no no ottawa

not owning their own actions though yeah like oh i'm not saying you're correct i'm just saying a gm who made a moronic decision yes who didn't check his shit and is no longer going to be a gm in the nhl probably ever again they're gonna put it on the sign when you enter the city welcome to ottawa we lost a first round pick and we don't want to give it up it is i'm sorry to say this fans i know you feel like you were done wrong you were done wrong by pierre dorian you were adam that's sports that all of sports is uh you get punished for something and you're like but what about and the sins got punished for something and they're going but what about vegas doing this and and they should wait but own the punishment own the punishment so but also then hold others

accountable here is here is what is happening though the the rumor is that the leafs are going you tampered we're gonna say that you tampered and you're gonna get dinged for tampering unless you trade us a good roster player and if you do that then it all goes away first of all mafioso as hell second of all if i'm ottawa i'm like wait a sec vegas did something wrong they're going to avoid punishment and the team that gets the benefit from it is a divisional rival who beat us in the first round fuck everything about all of this to add to your narrative the vegas golden knights are also the other end of ottawa losing that first round they're the one who called the league and was like this isn't our fault ottawa's fucking idiots go

find them yeah that's what happened and they were right and they were right when they did that but people don't forget also let me just throw this out there uh this is where gary betman and michael and lauer's relationship will be tested because if they raise a stink remember that michael and lauer openly chided gary betman on a microphone he should shut up gary doesn't need michael's money anymore he's already got it so so so gary's thing is uh uh this is where gary also goes yeah but you made fun of me on a press conference you made me look bad i'm not gonna help yap away buddy i think it would help michael and lauer's case if he shut his mouth like he shut it he should listen i don't blame him for saying what he said i don't either fucking awesome

but i also know that that shit comes back to you like how many how many press conferences do we come on here and be like oh jeremy jacobs spoke today after uh end of season lockout it's like michael and lauer doesn't need to be talking in the media agreed he's always out there talking in the media he's put he's doing this to himself when have you ever heard larry tannenbaum or ed rogers in front of a microphone like it never i don't think i know larry tannenbaum's voice i saw larry tannenbaum host the larry o'brien trophy that was the last time i saw larry tannenbaum yep yep jess you're right like why is michael anlauer out here just digging his own grave by poking the giant bear that's gb and and listen i love the fact that he clicks his heels together

on the golf course and i do i really do i like this man a lot if i was a sense fan i would go to war for michael anlauer so like however that's not politically what works in the nba yeah you i feel bad for Sens fans about this first round pick but some of this you did to yourself if you could just sit there and be quiet for a couple years and never say anything Mr. Ann Lauer maybe you would have got that pick back

I still think he might yeah there's still a chance that he might because the NHL does like to do it was one guy's fault it was Pierre Dorian and paid for it with his job yeah but unfortunately the punishment extended beyond him and dinged the Sens and that's what their beef was but like

alright you said what you were upset about if you talk about it again which oh is there is there news oh there isn't perhaps shut the fuck up because i heard you the first time yes right the nhl and all of this was their scheming liars for not telling him that this was going to go down when he was purchasing this team like they are the origin of the bad people let's let's not get that twisted your beef being legitimate has nothing to do with it exactly but after that you got to know how to play the game with gary and that was be nice and play the game and just be quiet and he will reward you for that and by the way he didn't play the game unfortunately i think it's amazing because technically michael anlauer

is gary's boss but gary is so smart gary's so smart because he's like you know i know i got 32 bosses but i really have 10 bosses he's got eight bosses yeah hey i pay your salary i pay your salary i don't think it really that sounds like a taxpayer telling the police where they they always say in in corporate settings you got to be able to manage up gary manages up unlike anyone i've ever seen he got michael and lauer whose final final offer was for the sense was 800 million he said just give me an extra 100 million so he got michael and lauer to say yeah here's an extra 100 mil and then goes by the way we're taking a first round And also fart.

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what do we if he is in Toronto I think it's worth mentioning because tomorrow we got free agency which is going to be bonkers so we're not going to have a lot of chances to talk about it in the same way tell me now what the Leafs might be getting in a guy like that we just you know we just spent last week talking about Scott Lawton and how he needs to be the third line guy um you know does this guy fill that role does he fill a fourth line role is he a winger with Lawton and they're trading off center like what do they do you feel so many needs you don't have to play him at center you probably should but you don't have to you have that option vegas doesn't play him at center yeah well there you go so scott lawton you don't have to play him at center but you can

scott lawton the left-handed shot nicola wah the right-handed shot the leafs haven't had a steady right-handed shot center while a while is cadre even a lefty the fact no no yeah cadre's a lefty i'm trying to think of kerfoot well that's not steady yeah you're right like honest like it was like michael amadio might be yeah and then he ended up going to uh they waved him and he went to vegas and won a cup and even vegas i don't think plays him at center very often it's been it bozak i'm trying to think if there's been any since bozak all that to say they haven't had someone do that for a long time um so it gives you another option for handed handedness he can play center he can play wing he's big he's mean i've really enjoyed watching him in the playoffs

uh over the years he was so good during their 2023 run at three million bucks and a year left after this one yes give me give me now the only thing i'll say and it's it's not a crisis it's just you know something that you need to look out for there is zero need for david camp on your hockey team anymore well they're trying to move them anyway him and cali yeah yeah like in like yarn croak you know you could still use him could take or leave you could use him he can play either wing camp is a center a center and a center and one that you thoroughly because of lawton and wah now you don't need maybe well maybe well yeah because he's not even a leaf yet and the thing about why he does uh conf scores like next to nothing there you can expect a goal or two he

scores like a bang and crash depth guy good great i mean you're not getting him for his offense but the occasional goal would be nice the dna change i think he had four goals in the playoffs for his run which is pretty good by leaf standards pretty sure i'll look it up here uh playoffs oh two goals excuse me sorry uh that's a lot different than four goals but it's still um he did get four goals for the vegas gold knights in the 2020 2021 run uh but uh this is a guy who um fits the change in dna that i feel like we're starting to see with brad he brad changed a couple of things last year right away so the first year he was kind of brought in late and it was sort of like you know arrested development on that janky yeah uh last year was his first real summer as

coming in as the gm and knowing what the team's needs were blah blah hey the i he can't get away with i just got here at that point right gets wall locked up which by the way i was so wrong about that deal that deal is looking real good these days contracts nuts uh anthony stallers for two years so we got another that contracts nuts he goes gets tanev oel re-signs mccabe by the way kevin ball and nick hagg are making more than jake mccabe dude the leafs going into the summer with a full decor locked up is looking better and better and all of these some of these numbers are not 3.25 million for three more years dude come on i don't know if it's a great deal it's not a it's not a terrible one i because at the end of the day he's still a second he's still

a third pair guy i mean only because they play him there you shouldn't be in your top four you don't think so no i think he's better than that uh he can he did in a pinch all the way to all the way to the finals with florida oh no he was fourth he was third pair wasn't yes okay fine fine knock it off i'm a big oe all guy all right you knock it that's okay he's not terrible my point is the de-emphasis on the core which ryan o'reilly said bradger living said uh seems to start with the third and fourth line which they got outside of uh domey and patch ready next to nothing out of in the playoffs and so if you add wada that group and i'm assuming it'll be probably between toronto and detroit for patch already because his family's in michigan he did like it here the

leafs do want him back but you know that's a i think a later decision lorenz in that group right um who else like this this i guess well he's not in the top 12 though no way played in the top six he shouldn't no he definitely shouldn't you're right the my my point is that I feel like we're starting to see a little bit of the character come in. Lawton is a high-character guy, beloved by teammates, had a really couple of great runs with Philadelphia

in the playoffs when they used to make those. I liked him in the playoffs this year. I know he didn't score a lot. I liked him. What do we think about what Brad is doing to this? Because we like what he did to the defense. We like what he did to the goaltending. What do you guys think so far?

I mean, this can change today, but I just want to know as of right now, what do you think of this? I don't know. Just for so many years, you could go into Toronto and not crack an egg. And I just don't think that's, that's going to happen anymore. You know, are they a better hockey team? I think that's, that's the very important question. We won't know. We won't know. And, and, you know, how do you replace Mitch Marner? You don't. I think the best way to replace Mitch Marner is not to go out there and be like, you know, how do we get these hundred points in the aggregate?

The best way to replace Mitch Marner is to change the kind of hockey team that you are. And that is a defensively focused, not that he was bad at that, but a defensively focused team that is so not fun to play when you have the puck. When the Leafs don't have the puck, they need to be a nightmare. the Florida Panthers with the puck we know what they can do when they didn't have the puck it was exhausting like the most relentless four check in hockey they're animals on the walls they're animals coming up the middle they're just they're hitting you they're grinding you they're screwing with you after every whistle it's not a fun time and the Leafs I mean geez it must have been a nightmare for the broadcasters because uh geez we don't even

have time to throw out a commercial or nothing because uh there's no face washing after whistle there's no nothing it's just too peaceful of a time and even though they have slowly gotten away from that over the years there's still at the top way too much of it they they had too much designated toughness toughness is something you need to have throughout the lineup like florida so a designated tough guy can flourish right nize is tough hits like he's not a designated tough guy no but he's tough yeah that's this is what i'm saying yeah you can't have this is our finesse guy this is our tough guy right like wayne simmons comes in and we're tough now no you kyle clifford we're tough now you have wayne simmons on the ice okay he's on the bench now now what are you or

jake muzzin yeah the only tough guy on defense we got jake muzzin okay he's on the bench now now what are you baby shit right right it needs to be throughout the lineup and the best teams in the league have that what do you think about jesse and steve uh pierre lebrun tweeted this out michael pizzetta's name being out there uh potentially linked to the leafs grew up in the area another high passion guy obviously canadians fans friggin love this guy yeah but we're talking about a contract that's like what 900 grand yeah but in terms of add to the team and we're talking about lower end of the lineup it's good uh it's great to have fresh bodies i think it's good they need so many forwards still on their lineup they have just a pile of left wingers and nothing on the

right side they're just need guys so i feel like a 900 or whatever it's gonna be 7 7 7 50 zero points in 25 games yeah so it might even be a two-way contract we're talking about maybe we're talking about a guy who's looking at the alex nylander role possibly and we're getting excited for a player and he comes in and he could do something maybe at some point in the season like he he didn't he doesn't need to be an everyday player like no i i and i've said this on the show i don't know how you would go back and find it unless you're an absolute sicko but i've liked uh pizzetta since before he played an nhl game i remember watching the preseason leafs habs and i was like who is this guy he's a maniac and just not nhl talent but all world effort and all world heart

and the he fought reeves at least twice like what a nutcase and he's big boy right oh he's uh he's 6'1 or 6'2 220 like big boy play but but forget big boy willing to do anything for his team and not scared of anybody you sign him to be your i don't know 14th forward 13th 14th forward to get you through the regular season how are we even wasting time uh asking whether or not this is good or bad well i just want to know for for leaf fans like yeah i'm not no i don't i don't mean you yeah like i just mean some people are gonna be like yeah but he's not the same second line scorer in the ahl that i've been accustomed to yeah on the fourth line i mean we've been talking about things the leafs have tried over and over and over again that haven't freaking worked that

that think of all the air we wasted on we gotta get alex kneelander in there what did he do not much you know what i mean yeah that's that's exactly it like i don't think michael posetta is a guy that's moving the needle at all it's good to have a body i'm happy that they're getting guys who are passionate to be Leafs but his career high in salary is 812 so yeah like sometimes you need a guy to come in and break someone's collarbone on December 6th is he gonna is he gonna is he gonna score a point for the Leafs I think he didn't do that for the Montreal Canadiens last year in 25 games maybe not if he brings you to your feet with a fight seven times next season he's worth the money he's yeah but then we're then we're in the Ryan

Reeves territory you know then it's like we got this guy in here making 135 and Posada would be like 800 grand and you can send it to the Marley's sure but then we're in the same area of like we got a guy who's on the roster do just get the crowd hyped up for a fight and then Ryan Reeves that was cool for a year and then it kind of went a little sour Jesse's bringing up a valid point he needs to be able to play a shift yeah which by the end of the season like it was just obvious Reeves couldn't do by like December it was obvious like so hopefully he's I saw him score a point On a game-winner. Reeves did.

He got an assist on a Stephen Lorenz. That's more points than Michael Pezzetta. Damn. Damn. Yes, but have you considered that Michael Pezzetta fills the very key role for the Leafs of his Italian? And I think... What about Robert Gizzi?

Well, he wasn't on the Leafs, was he? Not this past season. It's true. So, oh my God, can you imagine Pezzetta Mangiapane? Oh, there's going to be a parade in Maple. Woodbridge is going to go crazy. that is gonna be a day like michael was that a cool you want to be a leaf not moving then okay so so maybe two names that might okay okay and again i'm talking about the lower end of the

lineup here because we are de-emphasizing the core in this moment i'm trying to figure out what brad's moves are in the bottom six two names that have come up tanner janeau and brandon tannev not high scorers janeau is still like what 25 he's 26 he's young guy so there could be still something there but they at one point i mean tampa really believed in this guy they spent a fortune to get him didn't work out uh and they thought he might be like a big time power forward in the league there probably are some tools there um i mean it's it's really hard to fluke your way to 20 plus goals in this league and he did it yep i i just you should go forward assuming that's not there it's nice but maybe he's a 15 goal and nicola was a 15 goal even 15 like i'm going in

it realistically like yes i am allowing at the back of my mind in like a little folder in a cabinet to be like but what if tanner janeau scores double digits yeah right i'm allowing myself to dream that but really uh i mean we talked about like oh well can he play a shift Tanner Janot can play a shift yeah that's what I mean that's why Tanner Janot is somebody I'm legitimately excited about if he's on the lease for like a 1.1 million dollars like there is so much I think hockey sense still in there there's the ability to have that 24 goal season he had which is a couple years ago was in his when it's still on his rookie deal with Nashville way back when like he's not that player because he's had enough time in the NHL but this is somebody who

still as of what a season ago still cost the kings a second and a fourth to acquire it's like there has value there is talent there i hope that he's able to play on the right side for the leafs as a left shot which will be a little confusing because they have so many left shots but tanner you know has real value and can make an impact on the leafs i really hope they get a fourth line for a very long time like they were unplayable most of the matthews era the least fourth lines have been unplayable what they did in the playoffs this year is just it's just not how you win it's just not typically how the stanley cup champion is built and like the who who was it it was patch ready it was domey and who did they have line oh yeah uh mcmahon a lot of time it's just not how

it's built like you have to be able to fly in and hammer and smash and beat the shit out of your opponent that is what they do the the last time there was there was like a fourth line with like an offensive slant that i can think of that won the cup was like the caps with like brett connelly davante smith pelly i don't remember who else played a pretty big role in that oh they were awesome yeah they were awesome um but like tampa had it wasn't built like that they could chip in a goal their third line was more like that like with blake coleman and barclay goudreau and was it tyler who was who was the center of that line it was goudreau coleman and gourd man what a bastard line that was the third line and they were incredible frigging awesome yeah but their

fourth line wasn't like that right no the fourth line i want to say was like maroon belmar was in there i don't know if he was there the year they won the cup who was their center ah i think perry was in there a few years i'm trying i'm trying i'm trying but the point being uh it was fun they had their moments they helped win the series against ottawa but the cup champion that's that's just not how it is like you you look at what the leafs ice and you're like all right we'll put them put them in a one-on-one tournament it's just line versus line and it's them versus thomas nosik jonah gadjovich and aj greer yeah he'd be like well the leafs won or even mackie sam iskevich and any of the other guys who came in and played barely played like like what what i'm

saying is like yeah you would take the talent on the leafs fourth line that's not what a fourth line does that's not what they do they're full of genoves okay uh what do you what does you know about tenev uh what do we think about brandon tenev what do we think about now that guy was making three and a half million bucks last year that's it's too much it's too much money this is a guy that maxes out in the regular season as 10 goals you can't expect brandon tanniff to score much for you in the playoffs uh penalty kill four check a little bit of size chip in the occasional goal also vibes vibes funny funny pictures chris tanniff's brother and he's and he's got he meets all those qualifications the thing about watching the blues jet series was that tanniff never stopped

skating like when he's out there he never stops the leafs a lot of times look tired yeah i was like maybe it looks there there were times even against the sensor i'm like man they look a little slow right now the the panthers well that's why i started to be like are they shitting themselves do they have a stomach because they they like but it was like out of nowhere they look terrible um the panthers oh like i don't know where they found that motor i don't know do they have special bikes in florida like i i don't know um but that's what you need that is what you need on the fourth line who's out there and it's not about making your team less talented you still have nice you still have austin you still have willie you still have tavaris who is softening

them up for those killers yep at your best you go one-on-one with austin maybe you do a good enough job one-on-one with willie one-on-one with john one-on-one with uh matthew nice matthew nice thank you maybe what if you're in 95 what if you're in 90 what if you're at 85 what if you're holy fuck that was a big hit from janeau holy shit i don't look at the window and all of a sudden oh now you're at 60 and they replace you with another guy but he's 80 percent of what you are and that's what the panthers did and have done for three straight freaking years and so did the lightning before that they were not nice to play yes that's and that's how you win the cup that is how you win the cup you think cernak and shen and those guys i mean listen i

know a lot of headman got a lot of the headman and vasilevsky got a lot of attention but the rest of them were pretty look around the league every year every team has stars every team has stars you got to tenderize the meat a little yeah you gotta make my life easier you know what i can do you've seen what i can do i'm austin matthews what is he like man a lot of people were harder on him in the playoffs than than i was and because i would watch him every shift and i'm like the guy is trying his balls off but he's doing the role of like a middle six swiss uh army knife center we need you to score and shut down barkov and and and and and digging in the corners and doing a good job and he's winning battles and doing a good job and he's blocking shots and doing a good job

and we're 45 seconds into a shift. And now he's got to go up the ice and be 60 goal guy? No, that's not how this works. It's not how this works. Someone else has to do that work. Yeah, respectfully, they got people to do that for Ovi.

I don't think I've ever seen him in a corner battle. And they got people to do that for Crosby, although he still finds himself in corner battles because he's Sidney Crosby. Oh, he's an animal. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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And weirdly enough, Drager said Boston also wants him back. I said that a month ago. They have all the space. cj said okay but you're not gonna win a cup in boston trade him again no trade him again i mean it's a good idea in but it's not nhl 25 imagine if you're roman polak is brad marshand what if he's doing again what if he's not chasing another cup what if he wants to go home he's chasing money could be that yeah he also grew up a leaf fan did mention that at the press do they give him the captaincy back yeah they should right if he goes to boston hey here it is you left it for

like two months here you go did they already give it to someone else no no he was the captain up until he got traded and then now he's not the captain they don't have a captain clearly going to be mcavoy eventually but i think you probably just give it right back it's a hall of famer man you give it to marshy hey charlie you can wait well exactly his run with the captaincy was like six months yeah and then chara chara held bergeron out of that spot for a long time you gotta wait it's boston they're winners we're one day we're gonna look back at bergeron's career and we're gonna be like he was a captain for like three years i know because of chara some guy named chara uh martian in toronto cj said this morning something like again it could be like as high as

nine million over four years but it's brad mother effing martian so your choices are overpay for brad or don't have brad and i'm gonna just say with the cap going up i'm okay with it i'm okay with it his age keeps going up so it so so sure it does yes but you front load the shit out of that with bonuses right front load the shit out of that because our nhl teams are already complaining oh but we simply couldn't pay that much money we're only getting two new expansion franchises at two billion a piece but we certainly couldn't spend 115 million dollar on our roster this episode agent provocateur watch a bunch of liars but but if you front load that marshand deal which you still can do and then the last two years it's an easily tradable thing for a team that

can't spend to the cap or is fucking cheap um i think uh i think that's a deal that he can come in and you know i would hope the leafs wouldn't trade and just let him retire here but if it works out that you need to a couple years in then so what i look at it like you need a guy like that character wise you need you need character guys and whatever he gets you 45 50 points in the regular season can you imagine brad marchand and austin matthews no one is touching austin the contract feels ugly it does yeah let's get this out of the way eight million dollars for an old man in terms of hockey years it feels ugly and for way too long is it any different than pavelski with dallas when he was making seven yes because pavelsky i uh if i'm not mistaken maybe you can find this yeah i don't

think he was 37 when he signed it now the other thing that deal worked out way better than i ever imagined it could but when that bill came due they got ranted and it was over oh fuck i'm sorry i i owe did dallas get bad when that bill came due dallas only made the western conference final Here, let me give you this. I also think that Joe Pavelski is the exception to the rule. Would Brad not fall into that? I don't think so. We don't know.

I think the majority of guys who are that age do not keep up their production and aren't worth $7 million. Joe Pavelski signed that deal in 21-22. That's when the contract came up. He signed it originally in 1920. So how old was he? He is 40 right now, so do the math there.

No. Oh, so he was Marchand's agent. Yeah, that's what I was bringing it up for. You guys don't believe me. No, I just didn't know. He was coming off of a 38-goal season. Holy shit. And look at that.

He only scored 14 the next season. Yeah, and then 25, 27, 28, 27. Brad Marchand, he's a great dude, not coming off a 38-goal season. If it is a two-year deal. It's not going to be. Then I'm not doing it. Well, if it's a two-year deal,

he had 23 goals last year he had 51 points can i say this in 71 games it's wrong it's wrong no no we don't we if you can't beat him join him but the opposite if you can't beat him buy him if you can't beat him buy him that him in a leaf jersey is gonna look so fucking weird do you know how many leaf jerseys would sell day fucking one if marchand is here he wouldn't have to play a game it would be the best-selling jersey maybe he's more than an italian guy honestly well and and and here's here's what i would say guys more i don't know if it's more than an italian guy like yeah you never underestimate we identify with him but the nose look at the nose too he's one of ours

bond comes through they spend their cash they support their own my point is you say to brad and jesse you mentioned this the leaves have never friggin taken advantage of how much money you can make here in ancillary dollars that you don't have to pay escrow you don't have to pay your agent it's just endorsements so nine million bucks that's that's fucking nuts but you say to brad listen we know all the people that can pay you extra money why don't you just come in nine times four i'm out i'm just i'm flatly okay yeah but leading into last year the bruins sucked ass yeah right they were bad uh before that he had a 67 in 73 and he's 67 and 82 oh you don't have to sell me on the player he i have no problem with the player he is it's just

the money i don't you know what i don't even care i don't even care fucking pay him get his ass here he needs to be here that's my opinion on it and is it a bad contract a hundred percent it's a horrible country a hundred percent yeah but eight times four even i here's what i'm dying for the toronto maple leafs to i want to love the toronto maple leafs again to sign a bad contract give me a fucking give me a guy who i'm like yeah i don't care that you're just oh is oh man he's everything that brad does toronto would die you're advocating for a bad contract i am and i'm owning that and i'm proud of that you don't you don't like fun this is fun let's have some fun with this the cap's exploding what about winning i think brad helps with that yeah but having a

bad contract on your books doesn't help winning do you want brad do you want two andrew manji or do you want brad i think i think two if you get two of them if they duplicated right manji like yes i would rather have that i don't think i would without a question i wouldn't smallish forward who is not overly physical yeah but you get two of them that what we've had five of them sometimes in the lineup and it does dick all come playoff time it'd be manjapanis by the way it would be because you're eating two yes yes i'm just saying paninis oh okay that's all i'm saying that's enough for that andrew manjapini all i'm saying to go steve you got a jersey 69 mangia pini jersey mangia pini jesus

that's is that all sport check is that as good or call sport check get it printed i don't care adam what i don't like this guy and his anti-italian discrimination i know first he was talking crap about columbus day and now he's got this you're doing you're doing a soprano i'm doing still this is like offensive to your own people no oh yeah you're talking about 69 mangia peenies and me doing sylvio dante is offensive who's the real who's the real cultural i've seen double four mangia peenies um exactly listen get the jersey uh with with martian now i hope he signs with martian for years i've said with the bruins like one of the things i admire the most about them

is they draft bruins they sign bruins they develop bruins the leafs are this weird like skill mosaic where they bring in guys who are very good sometimes not so good sometimes they have more good guys than others sometimes what is a toronto maple leaf but what you're referring to and what you're explaining is the kyle dubas era of toronto maple yes not the current brad true living era and what are they we're gonna find out they are he's building his own team for the first time so far they are bigger so far they are meaner but like i mean when the Bruins got Trent Frederick I was just like how do they how do they keep finding these assholes how do they keep finding these guys it's crazy right like guys who are Bruins guys who are like

I think there are players with the skill set of Charlie McAvoy I mean not many but there are players with that skill set but it's an attitude it's a mindset if if bringing him in means you help establish a mindset what the leafs are what the leafs have been for about a decade is guys who rely on austin matthews to do everything that's been their identity rely on that's mitch marner racer no no he should have probably been captain rely on the core four to do everything and then we have like seat fillers basically for the whole rest yeah a bunch of nick ritchie's i get it yeah and that's just not how you win in this league yep it's just not so i'm so worried about the money i'm so worried about the term i'm so worried about his age i do think he's currently an extremely

good player i'm so worried about the hangover um but i need to know by the end of next season what a leaf is because their identity beyond guys who just rely on the core four is well that's that's what it's been i mean even the core four has been considered that right yes yes that's not great it's not a great identity so and also not likable not a great public perception let's be honest like i love the toronto maple leaf you know who you should be not like this is the most likable group of guys i've ever seen previous to that no they're the only team that's unlikable to all 32 markets now and that you should be unlikable to 31 like i and i compare that to the way that i would have died for gary roberts or curtis joseph or doug gilmore or matt sundin alan mccauley in that in

that third round playoff run i would have died for babe die oh charlie conacher yeah stop i had jersey jesse you're not that old okay you're not that no not yet so okay that's that sort of wraps the leafs thing i just wanted to i want to get out there where do we stand on that so when we're sitting here tomorrow and the deal comes through and if the leafs get them are you guys are you going to not celebrate let's say matt he signs nine times four okay nine million times four years oh my god no nine million are you gonna not well that's what cj said this morning on the cj show no are you not celebrating if it's seven like i'm throwing the parade if it's nine no i'm upset no here's the the way you do it you in the moment when he sign sign it signs it you use your brain

and you go that's too much and bad then when the season begins you go to your heart and you go yo holy fuck Brad Marchand's a leaf isn't that nuts first time you see him dick with some player step on his stick and break it trip him punch him behind the play do it's gonna be awesome and then if they win it was brilliant the whole time and if they lose you always knew it was gonna be bad because of the money there's a difference between rooting for something and trying to predict what you think is going to happen based on the transaction and the move and the player. Every year I was like

I hope Mitch Marner gets 40 points these playoffs. Like yeah. And then when he didn't I was like well yeah. Did like going into the series we're like ah Florida's going to win like you predicted Florida I predicted Florida where were you? I literally said Florida 7. You picked the Leafs but like we wanted we wanted the Leafs to win

because we're rooting for the Leafs but we thought Florida was going to win. The last three Leafs series I have gotten winner number of games i'm uncomfortable with how accurate i am with that one team and the leafs are two and three no they're one and one and two in those series like two but all those three you're predicting the win so brad marchand signing with the least i hope next season he scores a hundred goals i hope all of a sudden he's prime wayne gretzky and he scores a hundred goals do i think that's gonna happen no do i want that to happen yes so that nine million dollar

contract i hope it works out for the sake of the leafs do i think it's going to be good probably not okay all right now panthers i think they get him and akblad done so let's let's talk about this okay i'm going to mention kevin ball and i'm going to mention nick haig but there's somebody else i'd like to mention as well okay nick haig traded in nashville we already kind of talked touched on this signs the contract i think it's six years five and a half uh kevin ball man same five and half million dollar long-term deal with calgary okay um both guys in their mid-20s the the thinking now is the evan bouchard contract oh man if that's what nick haig and kevin ball are getting he should make 15 well here's what the thought is according to frege which is oh no four times

what's your guess and they're confident this relatively confident this gets done so this would buy two years of ufa i think so it's four years by the way four-year contract but it would take him 12 12 12 million jess for mr bouchard yeah uh four years uh 975 9.5 there you go wow oh yeah that's okay and ball not to take away from them because they're kind of the they're almost the same archetype just big like no they're not isn't ball big yeah no they're massive oh you mean like literally just how their body as each other as each other nick hagen oh hagen ball yeah sorry oh yeah kevin balls i was gonna have my friend committed come on i was very confused it was

pretty obvious what i was saying haig and ball kind of the same player confused kind of kind of big kind of range you know what i mean right okay big and mean move forward bouchard real tough guy real tough guy to get right in terms of like finding them in the draft sure only making four million bucks more than those guys as like i think part of that is edmonton's a freaking winner they've gone to the finals twice i don't i know they haven't won the cup but uh you know playing 13 games in the stanley cup final over two years is still pretty good um you know i think that dare i say that's a bit of a hometown discount oh yeah now i know he's a restricted free agent but he's kind of got all the balls in his corner doesn't he yeah well then when he is an unrestricted

free agent you have a few more seasons under connor mcdavid let's be honest like part of the reason you're putting up all those points is the puck goes in right and it's not always you putting it in those there's a lot of assists yeah well i know you got the boosh bomb and it's a lot of assist yeah it helps to have connor and leon so you're gonna have another four years of connor and leon cookies maybe well at least leon cookies you're gonna get your cookies you're gonna sign for a kerbillian dollars and it helps that you've come really close and you might actually win it 9.5 jesse has the the the compensation pulled up so i was gonna bring this up in regards to Evan Bouchard, I think it would be awfully interesting

if a team like the Utah Mammoth or the Anaheim Ducks said, we're going to offer Evan Bouchard $11.7 million. That would be at the second highest level of compensation for an offer sheet. They can do it. They are eligible under the eligible teams on Puckpedia. That would net the Edmonton Oilers, if they decide not to match, a first round two first round picks a 2026 second round pick and a 2026 third round pick it would also put them in cap hell if they wanted to match it i think there should be talk amongst some of

these teams the ducks bruins flames blackhawks red wings kings canadians predators devils flyers penguins mammoth and golden knights if they have the cap room to offer sheet evan buchanan he would had to sign it yes unreal by the way that puckpedia puts eligible teams that are eligible very cool we love puckpedia yeah so so good so i was looking at this yesterday with nize i kept saying like he's not an offer sheet candidate and then i looked at the deal he signed and the tier he would have fallen under i'm like oh shit he would have had to sign it he would have had to sign it he was never a candidate because he was never gonna he was never gonna say i agree You got yourself into a fuss for no reason.

If he did, it would have been a pickle. It wasn't reality. He's not signing an offer sheet at 7.75. No, if this made-up thing happened, I'm upset. At 9.3, which was the upper end of that threshold, which was the point I was trying to make, it would have been tough for the Leafs, and they would have had to match it or make a bad decision.

That is a made-up reality. is bouchard a made-up reality no i think there is a case to be made if you are the utah mammoth right now and you're like you have we have in jersey why do you need bouchard because he's evan bouchard so you trade one of those guys no you have them like you have those players they play different sides sergachev is not playing the same side as jersey i know but how many how many pucks is there to go around for there's a lot of pucks we don't know what jersey caps out as oh that's not reality no this is this is something that is is still possible and i think these teams should look at that and i think evan bouchard would be a type to be like i'm gonna take

an 11 million dollar deal as to as opposed to 9.5 million dollars i think there's significant difference in there that evan bouchard would accept an offer sheet of 11.7 million dollars you're doing what i was doing because you're a smart guy it would have been the upper echelon of the of that tier so you're faced with we got to sign them to an ass contract or take a very unsatisfactory compensation package of two first the second and the third is not enough for evan bouchard because the edmunds don't always want to win the stanley cup next year yes those first round picks don't help them what if the oilers offer she did them they're one of the eligible teams yeah and what are you doing i'm looking at um oilers twitter and jim matheson

who is my favorite guy is toronto catching strays out of nowhere no so i'm curious about this okay if you're evan bouchard at nine and a half you're leaving money on the table i think uh yeah yeah that's why i think there's an offer sheet reality here uh jim matheson said if you if i'm the Oilers I want to bring in Pat Kane for a year at four million to play right wing with dry saddle Kane and wings again or maybe a shot he said or a shit at another cup he meant shot at

another cup and then and then followed it up with guess you folks have never made a spelling mistake I I wonder I wonder if he's my favorite I wonder if bouchard leaving money is like okay we know mcdavid is going to sign a short-term extension right so he's got one more year and then even if he signs two more years of the four years that bouchard is there three of them you're basically guaranteed mcdavid all these guys are going to be willing to take less to play on that team don't you think i guess my point

is like jess if you're utah yeah or one of these other teams like i feel like you gotta offer something that like we're going to the playoffs and we're going to give you an opportunity i think if you look at utah's roster and you brought up jersey and sure you have and like they play on different sides that right side puckpedia has john marino penciled in as their first pairing right-handed defenseman like i get he stay at home more so than sergachev so that's kind of the match there but like imagine you're upgrading that right side so you have bouchard derzy as your one two that makes a lot of sense to me and they have the cast space at 14 million i think they have in eligible space right now to do something aggressive they have the pick compensation

almost 15 i think they need to get creative here if they want to actually take a jump because i know their owner ryan smith keeps talking about doing something splashy and getting into the the area with the big boys looking at the hammer the ekblad button well the hammer the ekblad button that's one the other guy i wonder about for them uh and apparently is like super everybody's calling about him is rasmus anderson i want to know what the flames ask for him is because if bouchard makes sense rasmus anderson makes sense and uh and and you know a little older right and you're from ufa but you're he wants to sign a long-term deal that would make a ton of sense and you've got the draft capital go get them I think it's it's Ekblad it's Anderson like I think

they want something splashy here this offseason I think either of those options I think are on the table for them it's a great summer to be trading guys because in free agency everyone is going to make I mean early indicators are insane money yep so if you have someone on like it's like a bc and ad like if you have if you trade someone who has a 2025 or earlier contract like you're you're getting a player at a really nice cap hit and the team who's trading them can ask for the sun and the moon if they want that or i'll just keep the player on an awesome deal yeah right if you can sneak in those eight-year deals as much as you can yeah i think it's gonna be a pretty tradie summer yeah uh also worth mentioning it looks like mad dumb is not going

to be bought out by the stars this is their last day to put them on waivers we've passed the the deadline so that's interesting well maybe they can trade them like maybe maybe that 3.75 whatever he makes becomes valuable it doesn't look so insane yeah maybe it's good value for them even i don't know uh it's still a couple of two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. Your playlist might get you

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for a centerman who's on his way up their third round draft pick he's 26 pretty good damn like no that's a very good deal you expect him to be a middle six guy until he's 32 right he had the most sneaky 30 goal season of any player in the nhl yeah i don't think on the surface anybody's like a morgan geeky 33 goals last season he's clearly getting better and i think it's a good bet on geeky to continue his production you're reminding me of a quote i read in the hockey news years and years and years ago when i was working at the toronto zoo and not doing my job and that was on even on bad teams someone has to score and enough time has passed that i hate it even more because no they don't yep look around the league no they don't uh and geeky found a way

to score a ton on a team that was just drowning i believe that that ethos in basketball because you don't see teams lose 120 to 50 no like the scores always kind of match because somebody is out there to score get buckets even on bad teams they're gonna lose but some they're gonna score you know in the range of nba teams in the nhl it's so hard to score it's like it's not that easy where somebody's gonna put the puck in the net no it takes a tremendous amount of skill to put up three 33 goals in a season don't look into that gun to your head hostage situation who the hell were his line mates right nobody he's listed as a center right which one was it you know what i mean and he still put up 33 goals this is a disrespected season yep no for sure and it and

disrespected by everyone including himself apparently um five five and a half and and connor what the all right and henry yokiharu uh has re-signed with the bruins as well three years nine million dollar extension so three million bucks a year 26 years old dude that guy getting three mil has me like i think there's gonna be some crazy numbers out out there tomorrow like it's gonna be nuts what does he top out as i think what he is which is a bottom pair three minutes oh guess what that's why i said oh oliver eckman larson's not a good uh well i i think henry okiharu is making three million bucks i don't mind uh oliver eckman larson at three it's a good season it's a good summer to have your goldie tandem locked up yeah

it's a good summer to have your whole decor locked up for until they're dead yeah because they're all going to be dead they're all all us us too us too we will not even be here to talk about it we'll all be dead um but man some of the early indicators uh you a lot of people are going to have a really difficult time wrapping their head around some of these numbers i think boston went one for two over the weekend you know you don't like everything no i don't think it's great i think you need warm bodies and you do but is that the guy you want like lock it in your second pair on the right side for three million bucks it's not it's not it's not a huge miss yeah it's it's a bit it's a bit rich but like geeky is seeing what people around the league are

getting i mean that's a i don't what on earth made him accept that deal do we think boston's a playoff team next season based on their current roster they'll be hunting they'll be hunting they're not what they're healthier though yeah they'll be healthier I mean you immediately get one of the best pairs in the league back at Lindholm McAvoy that pushes down Yokiaru and Zdorov Lorai just got all that money too forgot about that 3.2 for two seasons um a peak there 275 as well oh there's Patra I was like where the hell's Patra your center depth is Lindholm zaka middle stat minton you're gonna need geeky probably maybe slots in the center you're gonna need your young guys to step up so you need patra you need lasalle you need uh geeky to continue to

be what he was kuznetdinov scoring more than a point every eight or nine games will definitely help and we'll see if minton's a full-time nhl it's nice of the sharks to allow their owner to play on the boston bruins what oh yeah there he is on the left side oh yeah that's funny uh i i listen i don't think boston's gonna blow anyone out of the water it wouldn't shock me if they're back in the playoffs next year and i and i say the same thing about the rangers too i know there's a lot in flux there teams like montreal and ottawa no disrespect but you needed boston to fall off in historic fashion and new york to fall off they won the fucking president's trophy i think both those teams are better though i do think they're better too yeah but i think they're not them the

bruins like better than themselves previously yeah 100 i'm just saying there's gonna be a real fight for the wild cards this year oh it's never easy is it well yeah that's a little easier this year um it's like it was like those two versus like columbus who made a late charge but you know um john gibson traded to the detroit red wings 12 years with the anaheim ducks and he was traded in 11 of them uh but he has fully signed uh or stayed sorry uh been traded excuse me peter marazic 2027 second round pick in a 2026 fourth round pick going to anaheim and you know i was of the belief that like man you got a good thing in your goaltending keep keep the good thing going but john gibson actually had told pat verbeek i want to get well and now they're red wings west

because you have Dostal who you don't have signed um you have Mrazek making four plus and you signed Vili Uso to 2.2 which means Mrazek is not staying you got to trade him I I think I don't know what what bothers me I think with the Ducks is it's like if you give me Peter Mrazek you should have to pay for that right like you should have to pay for me to take four million dollars of Peter Mrazek that's not like that's not nearly enough and i i and i like what the ducks have done steve eisenman's like hey you ever you ever see the wallman deal yeah yeah a very merry unbirthday to you and he's the mad hatter and it's yeah but if i'm the ducks i'm like i'm not

taking that that's not unless you think a team like the oilers is going to come along and go we'll we'll give you we want peter marazic all of a sudden this trade is loki two of the most unhinged gms in the league they're nuts both of them are insane it's great that they do business together i kind of hope they do more more maybe maybe loop barry trotson on that one see what happens a nice little freeway oh put them in a group chat uh forget the kachuks and the do you know how anaheim acquired uh villy husso from detroit uh no waivers he was traded to anaheim for future considerations right yeah because he was awful there was there was nothing going back the other way and there still is nothing so this trade i

look at it as husso and morazic and the second and the fourth for uh john okay uh i can see that you know like that maybe that fourth in this deal is for taking on husso that's them doing good business yeah i think this deal is kind of in the future considerations because nothing was paid by detroit for that deal go look at his season last year he was so hot oh yeah just in detroit awful he played five good games in anaheim he put up good numbers it's five games they must really really believe in this uh also worth mentioning since we're on the subject of detroit and this just happened tarasenko's rights have been traded to the minnesota wild 11 goals and 33 points in 80 games so i would assume you know tarasenko and caprizov like there's a russian

connection there yeah good scoring winger depth for minnesota probably doesn't cost you all that much there's gonna be a good team um and by the way it was future consideration so the rights were just given oh yeah so you're just doing that's eisenman doing bill garren a favor well i think you're probably doing tarasenko a favor he's you know it's like because they're not trying to resign them right so he was gonna sign there on july 1st anyways so they just made it quicker so they could figure out the actual contract yeah so we're looking whatever i don't think minnesota's in like competition for tarasenko you know what i'm saying yeah whatever i don't know fine i i do wonder about this sort of thing because we're looking at that and we're like

okay you're doing right by the player could it also be like a rival of the red wings are in on this guy and he's just like ah screw you guys wait a second so i read that he's a future uh no he's got a year left on his deal oh that changes everything wrong ah there's no salary retention tarasenko's got a year left at 475 you weren't able to get anything for tarasenko not at 5 million 33 points yeah that is kind of a lot leaves them so that at least you didn't have to attach a pick to him this time i guess yeah the wild have 13 million to spend next or tomorrow so it was a cap dump it was a cap dump for nothing yo is eisenman cooking a little bit i hesitate he does like spending money in free agency i'm surprised they couldn't get anything

now even that as a cap dump he's got more money to spend on patch ready tell alan let's go what's what's going on in detroit there's some things going on there well they still got to get cane done yeah they will for everything i've heard this helps right he's done uh they'll get it done um okay uh a few other things to mention obviously rasmus anderson we mentioned earlier apparently everybody was in on him this weekend there was like 10 teams that called and none of them had offers that the calgary flames were interested in i wonder what this guy i know it seems sexy and fun to trade him now and it is but man it'd be a real interesting deadline pickup for a team wouldn't it well you have that option if you're calgary right there's no rush yeah but if you

wait till the deadline what if you hurt you what if he's hurt and his value is now i think a little depressed because there's no real guarantee that he re-signs with the team you trade him to this show is a waste of time what do you mean this show's a complete waste of time he gets traded it after this you know how stuff happens after we record yeah there's gonna be like six major yeah you're right you're right also i've what is calgary uh just like a factory for defensemen for the rest of the league they are like okay so we're gonna build up uh tanev he's gonna be great we're gonna trade him uh noah hannifin he's gonna be really good and then we're gonna trade him oh yeah i think rasmus anderson he's gonna we're gonna build him up he's gonna be really good

and then we're gonna trade don't forget about adam fox fucking defenseman factory for the rest the nhl technically built up in vancouver yeah but he was he excelled in calgary and then they moved him and then so what oh what are you doing here you made a trade what uh just in case i didn't mean to create matthias maselli traded to toronto for a third rally yeah oh so the italian connection all right what do we know about him that's uh the kid from utah right yeah oh i i know he was uh really um they uh huh uh 55 games last year eight goals 10 assists 18 but he did have previously on the coyotes 82 games the year before for 17 goals 40 assists 57 points he had a very good season and and uh fell off no i i do remember that um by the way where's he from

is it toronto no is it maple what country is he from is it italy finland what yeah no i mean europeans move around maselli is very clearly an italian name originally but he is from turku finland there you go i know is he an army bro i have no idea what yeah okay yeah i'm learning things i had no idea yeah what okay so tell me about please because i i am admittedly uh caught here uh tell me about his his contract he's going into year three so one one year left it's a bit high 3.425 million for 17 points but if he's going to score 50 ish points which he did the previous two years he had 149 and then 157 point season you could see a guy like that being very worth three and a half million dollars salary retention uh it doesn't appear that there is

any uh it's a conditional third by the way it's not a set in stone third third so it could go up could go down yep okay um what position they got him playing uh that is also a very very good question i i think he's a left wing right wing guy that you can can play as a wing and they need wing because my ears perked up i'm like wait a sec is he a center is the nick wah deal about to fall through i don't think so very interesting okay okay i think that's a guy that they're hoping might be able to play top six if you think about oh like thinking i'm just gonna play with neil andrew and tavaris no it's uh because bobby wasn't the greatest there i don't think bobby's all that i'm not i mean at his contract you can't really he's got to figure himself out

i don't still got 20 goals i don't complain about him at all no he feasted on guys lower down in the lineup but that's what his job he probably will continue to do that or he's best suited to do that if he stays on the third line there are two open spots in the top six it's first line right wing second line left that's fascinating that is a fascinating one you're gonna have to go home and do a video about this i know that or do you want me to do it here no no no well i mean well whatever you want to do i don't really care but uh i'll do it at home i'll do it at home um hungry it's a it's a it's a bet for the Leafs right I would say chess like a bet on on a guy having a good comeback playmaking abilities there like I love his assist numbers uh last year's

down year but I think before that he's proven that he's got some really good playmaking abilities that's kind of what you need because you got the guys who can put the puck in the back of the net and Austin and Tavares and Willie so you need somebody to feed them the puck and I think uh Michele can be useful for them like I don't I don't hate this deal at all I think it's a good bet there are some places about his defensive game but yeah you know the contract's a i guess a little high but i think he can perform at that level like three seven five isn't isn't like nothing it's it's definitely not an expensive deal but it's in the range of like if he doesn't work out it could be you're you're hating the deal but i think there's potential there for for this kid

to excel so here's where i'm like okay i guess i didn't watch utah closely enough this past season 11 goals 49 points way uh 17 goals 57 points way how the how did you drop all the way to 18 and 55 what the hell happened there apparently he's got great underlying numbers as well and his underlying numbers last year despite the fact that he was not it just seemed like not a fit under andre torney um he's not he's his advanced his advanced stats were higher last season despite the lower production and he was scratched around the deadline um and they tried to include him in some deals and nobody wanted to take it because 3.45 million in somewhat of a flat cap environment uh was a lot at this past deadline that's a lot of money if you're trading for guys at the deadline

you want guys who can help you win now why am i acquiring an injured player trent frederick if i'm trying to win now yeah right like i like i'm looking at trent frederick and i'm i'm you know his fit on the Oilers going forward actually it makes more sense than it did this past playoffs just to use that as an example that's a fascinating deal well and and from what I'm reading this is a guy to put money on this is a guy you shouldn't probably have in your top or in your bottom six this is a guy who should be in the top and I think they need to take some bets on guys in the top six you know what I love right now and I'm just realizing it I don't know what they're doing it's fun i don't know what they're doing and like i'm not saying that like

what are these guys doing i'm saying it like every year trade deadline summer every we knew exactly what they were doing because there was so little that they could actually do i'm looking at this and going okay well do they do manjapani then do they have to do manjapani do they need manjapani well what about the depth guys could they maybe do something on d could they it's fascinating yeah and it's fun and i'm gonna do a deep dive on his heritage because his dad is finnish and his great-grandmother is italian thank you where'd you find that it's on his wikipedia page thank you his mom was american born she moved to finland when she was like seven i think it said and then uh they married obviously and they had the kid but his great-grandmother on his father's

side is italian so michelli is italian love that um uh by the way robert malloy uh sdpn uh employee uh big time friend of the show is thrilled about this it's one of his favorite players oh so him and toffoli michelli and toffoli he loves his boys he was scratched for 13 consecutive games last season couldn't crack the utah mammoth lineup it's a concern uh well listen i don't know where you fall in it dom decision thinks it's a good bet a lot of people are positive about this julian mckenzie thinks it's a good bet uh so it's interesting uh travis yost i think maselli is a nice player very curious how he slots in with toronto geez me too trav um what i i'm guessing what is out there in free agency would be more expensive right again this is a really

interesting i mean literally day today um to be the team trading a guy hmm i'm okay so i i didn't i had no idea that was so what's a utah cooking dropping three and a half million bucks now with what's almost 17 to spend they're going for ecblet yeah i think that's gonna be a monster there's also a player they clearly weren't using yeah yeah oh yeah no it makes perfect sense it makes perfect sense to have him in the market um for them it's it to me it's real easy to explain for utah it's a little there's a little more faith required on the leaf side of it he's also smallish 5 11 185 pounds he'd be the only second guy in their forward group under six feet with max domi maybe they did some tests and they know he's actually six foot that

could be it that could be it uh jordan spence uh gets moved to the senators here's a guy that i did not know also asked for a trade out of uh los angeles um and you know it's interesting jesse you talk about uh uh who is funding the league in terms of defensemen uh i think calgary's up there i think anaheim was that team for a while i also think the los angeles kings have done a pretty good job of finding developing and then punting out the door certain defense but jordan spence much like Sean Dursey before him was blocked has some offensive upside but also might be it depends on what happens in Ottawa this year because I think he's a good secondary puck moving mobile defenseman for them behind a guy like Jake Sanderson the question is he was blocked in LA

might he also be blocked on a pretty talented Sens core that includes Thomas Shabbat yeah like I'm looking at the right side they had Martin Paulo uh on the third pair Mountain Paulo to use her yeah you got you got jensen you don't have hamannik anymore i'm trying to think of who else was in there clevin's a lefty it's difficult off the top of my head um like the names i saw getting thrown out there for like okay he might turn into something that or he's gonna just be another like eric brandstrom he's gonna be another victor mette another guy with like this tantalizing upside that never really gets realized um and as elite fan that's what i hope happens i hope i hope he doesn't make it on account of he signed with the sins boo to this man

um but um a really low cost bet for them uh another guy that will not be an rfa uh is joel hoffer uh who uh is a you know st louis blue for two more seasons 3.4 million bucks each year and that's a guy where again i go 3.4 million there's the offer sheet candidate jesse has the uh the list of people and i wondered if the oilers had the picks to do it because they could have sure used a goalie like that don't you think oh 100 i immediately i took a leaf slant and i'm like that joseph wool contract's pretty sweet um because that doesn't even kick in until next year it's a little more expensive than hofers but it goes for an extra year is it a four-year deal or is it three wool is three oh three times 3.66 okay i don't mind that um hofer it's it's

kind of it's a little rich for a backup but again i'm having to you know this is the first crop of contracts in a new reality for the league so these contracts are the ones i'm gonna have the most trouble with yeah and like the hofer deal like you're paying them kind of to be not quite 1b but to split a lot of the games with binnington like i think it's a reasonable amount for the amount you expect him to play because you don't want binnington playing 70 games 60 games probably going to be a 50 um 30 split which i think is reasonable for 3 million bucks 3.4 million bucks for hofer and he's only 24 like his deal expires and he's still an rfa that's crazy sometimes i look at his numbers i go i don't know but the fact that he's only 24 that's that's a bit harsh

like uh 24 you're not really supposed to be in the league yeah for goaltender yeah that's super young the fact he's already in there this will be a good player matthias maselli's conditional third pick has uh the condition has been revealed it looks like it upgrades to a 2020 it's a conditional third in 2027 but if maselli gets 51 points next year or more it not just 51 points if it's 52 it actually just downgrades but uh uh 51 points upgrades to a 2029 second round pick if toronto makes the playoffs this year and maselli gets at least 51 points so it clearly seems that toronto and utah believe the potentials there my god yeah wow that is that that condition is almost an endorsement you know what i mean it's like well a little bit right i it's

gonna be really funny in 2029 when we're like why the hell don't they have a second um now uh the thing is if you're toronto and he's got 49 points and there's two games left in the season you're fucking scratching it right yeah you're like sorry buddy we're not doing that hey your uh leg hurts right yeah and what's the difference to him like it's not like you get a performance ball no that means nothing to him you might as well scratch him yeah yeah that's funny that's really funny yeah alex steves you are a second line yeah hey man what's up you like nhl salaries right yeah that uh alex steves by the way we got a free agent big day tomorrow yeah so tune in uh all day we're gonna be throwing videos together uh for trade deadline and then

we're gonna have a stream at the end of the day sort of wrapping the day up what time does the stream start do we have we sorted that it'll be when the things start petering out we're thinking five o'clock yeah but we're not it depends on how the day goes right so uh be tuned into the sdp on youtube channel if you're not subscribed like now's the time to hit subscribe on our youtube channel um and then yeah get that when we go live notification around five o'clock in the afternoon should we um should we do a live stream when marner signs on july 15th or what do you think he's literally people are listening to this and he's already signed there you go no i think he's i think you're right i i think you're right steve i think you're bang on the money i think that

happens this afternoon so wow yeah i do i really do believe that that's crazy it's fun hanging out with you guys you guys are a couple of cutie patooties over here it's your opinion i had a fun time anyway we'll see you tomorrow free agency baby let's go and also canada day the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at Steve underscore Dangle at Adam W-Y-L-D-E and at Jesse Blake.

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