The Steve Dangle Podcast - Harnarayan Singh | November 4, 2020

Episode Date: November 5, 2020

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Harnarayan Singh joins the show to talk about his book "One Game at a Time: My Journey," HNIC. Ron MacLean, & growing up loving hockey in small-town Alberta (00:00), Adam's History corner on the American Revolution (38:00), is Lou Lamoriello still a good GM? (53:00), Red Wings sign Anthony Mantha to a four-year deal (1:11:00), Ontario minister Lisa MacLeod said body contact isn't an option for the OHL (1:14:00), the media's coverage of Julianne Hough and Brooks Laich (1:28:00). Originally aired: November 4, 2020 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/qsa_jftK_SA Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake and we're a force of today mr hud orion sing from hockey night in canada thanks for having me guys looking forward to this we're so pumped to have you man uh thank you for making time uh the new book is called uh one game at a time my journey from small town alberta to hockey's biggest stage uh hunter ryan singh um you know a guy that we've wanted to talk to forever so glad that we um that we got the chance to do this and and to to talk about this book which has been out for i believe a month now yeah it was uh late september is when it came out so at the beginning of the fall it was supposed to be before the regular season began but of course i

I've, you know, the whole world turned upside down. So here we are in the off season and in the fall. How small town is small town? Because Canadians like to compete with each other, like to see who could come from the most obscure place. So what's the small town and how big is it? Yeah. So at the time when I was growing up, it was 10,000 people. But when my parents came there in the 1960s and showed up in a town of just 3,000 wearing, you know, turbans and visible minorities, people may not have even heard of a turban, let alone seeing one. When my parents showed up in the 60s and, you know, we just went through, everyone kind of celebrated Halloween.

And I remember my parents telling me their first experience with Halloween and their teachers at the high school and came home and they had heard that something was going to happen that night and they had to give something out. And, you know, they're trying to figure out what they should make. My mom's in the kitchen and trying to figure out what she should make quickly to hand out to kids. And then, of course, as they were trying to figure that out, their house got egged. And so, I mean, it's just like, you know, there's it's fascinating. uh there's a lot in the book in terms of my family's journey here and then how hockey kind of came together with it all and but as far as that small town of brooks alberta uh it was 3 000 initially 10 000 people when i was growing up there and we were the only uh practicing sick

family so we really stood out it's funny you know um ryan your your story is you know we hear so much especially right now about the american dream right both candidates are out there i mean the at the time of this recording, Biden's just won Wisconsin. We have no idea how this is going to end, but, but, you know, we hear a lot about the American dream and is that dead in this? The Canadian dream is very much alive. And it seems like the Canadian dream is the one that your family has lived since the 1960s when they came here. And, and, you know, and the fact that you're on hockey night in Canada on the biggest stage in the sport, I think is a testament to that. But, you know, it's so great that you got to go back and tell the story. So, so can you,

can you start us from the beginning the name of the town is what the name of the town is brooks and it's on the trans canada highway yeah and it's when you go from calgary and you're driving east uh towards medicine medicine hat and i'm sure some people have heard that because the medicine hat tigers and kelly rudy used to play for there and there's a lot of nhlers who played for that team uh so it's in between calgary and medicine hat and yeah just you know it was um in the 60s it was there was a demand for teachers in Alberta and my my parents from India were you know they were teachers there and they they came here for an opportunity uh to change uh their family's life and you know it's it's humble beginnings my my dad was the first person in his small village in

India to to get a post-secondary degree and I don't know so he really valued education and my mom had to go on a hunger strike with her to convince her family to let her even get an education because it wasn't common for you know my parents are a little older they're they born in the 1930s and and in those days in India wasn't really common for women and girls to to get you know a higher level education so she had to convince her parents and grandparents to do that so they really valued um progressing uh themselves educationally and so they came out here and lo and behold you know my sisters were born and then I come along in the 80s when the Gretzky years and the Oilers and the Flames both had some fantastic teams and it was just it was everywhere

the obsession with hockey it was I was surrounded by it just because of the Gretzky years in the dynasty but I would say I took it to a whole new level just in terms of you know my hockey card collection or acting out broadcasting elements as my toy microphone actually I have it right over there my sister kept that toy microphone that I would use to emulate Ron McLean and call hockey games and things like that and you got the pro stars Gretzky cereals there so we were just through and throughout obsessed with hockey and it really helped me in my childhood like my classmates um they they knew i was different i was getting questions every single day of my elementary school years how long is your hair how long is your turban why do you wear it uh all

sorts of differences we're vegetarian you know i wear a steel bracelet to remember the creator at all times there's all these things like but i had to figure out how to be comfortable in my own skin and it was hockey that helped me and this is go ahead it's always it's always a difficult question because it's forever ago and i always tell people uh i've liked hockey since before i can remember because i i i don't remember my first hockey memory do you remember yours i do because of family and i do because it was a gift that i used for so many years so my my very first uh gift was a mini hockey stick uh and it said northlands coliseum and i kept it for years and years and that's where the oilers uh you know the building that they played in for so many years when they

won the cups it was originally called Northlands Coliseum before it became Skyreach Centre Rexall Place and then Rogers and so you know that was kind of a symbol for everything that came after that in terms of the obsession with hockey and I would say that so many of my early memories so many of my friendships so much of the rapport with my team with my teachers was because of hockey and I, I'm scared to think about what I, how it would have been without that, because, because of the fact that I also, and I get into it in the book, I experienced some bullying. I, you know, I experienced racism. But, and so when I think about it and reflect back on it, all these positive memories that have to do with hockey, had it not been for that, I probably would have experienced

so much more bullying and so much more racism just because in the eyes of the cool guys who were playing hockey and I wasn't my family where we weren't skaters you know we weren't we my parents had me in all sorts of like musical instruments and all these other extracurricular activities I just knew I wasn't I didn't have the physical stature to be a an ice hockey player I loved ball hockey and playing road hockey because it was easy for me to pick that up but I knew I wasn't going to be a hockey player and when other boys in my class who are bigger and stronger and they were ice hockey players, but they thought it was cool that I knew so much about hockey. And I was always talking about it and wearing a hockey sweaters to school, making all my

assignments about hockey. Um, I, I may have had a very different experience with that type of a classmate, but those guys actually came to my defense when I needed help. Um, and so it was, you know, it really, really helped me create a rapport with my classmates. Ryan, the last thing that any kid wants to do when they're 10, 11, 12 is stand out, right? You don't want to stand out. You don't want to be different. And you don't want to be, quote, unquote, weird. And it's funny because I don't think you had a choice in that matter.

I think given where you were in the world and the amount of people there and, frankly, attitudes at the time, you had no choice to be that. and you've made a career out of standing out. What do you think you picked up from that era of your life that you carry with you today that makes you unique as a broadcaster and as a person? That's a great question, to be honest with you, Adam. I think to answer that, I'll also explain this, that when you're a kid and you're growing up at that age,

a lot of adults in your life are asking you this question, what do you want to be when you grow up? and and I was my my consistent answer was I want to be a hockey commentator like I want to be on hockey night in Canada and it was met with sarcasm it was met with laughter oh okay okay that's great what do you really want to do and and I kind of had to figure it out as I grew up that okay why are people reacting that way and sometimes I would get a blunt response and and the response was and I learned this fairly early on that, hey, Harner, I and not very many people look like you on TV, especially sports television. There is, you know, this is just a dream, like you got to be

realistic. You know, you should think about doctor, engineer, lawyer, other things, you know, you're smart enough, you're good enough grades, you should think about other things like that. And so I think what happened as well is that I was constantly having to educate others around me about who I was and my parents being teachers they told me not to make it confrontational they said this is an opportunity for you to teach others about who we are and you know they were very open-minded in the sense that yeah of course participate in Canadian culture and all that but this is what your faith teaches you in it and it really has made me into the person I am today I'll give you an example one of the reasons why I really latched on to Wayne Gretzky and became

obsessed with him is my parents are teaching me about the sick faith and in it the scriptures are saying abandon your ego be be a humble person be respectful to others and I'm watching Wayne Gretzky break all these records Gordie Howe's records he's he's always given Gordie Howe so much respect he's given his dad credit he's giving his his teammates credit I loved how humble he was when he was you know at the top of his game and so I really tried to without without thinking about it at the time I was trying to marry all of these different facets of my life together and I think it's still what I've tried to do now in terms of you know you even look at the very back of the book it's I play East Indian or Sikh musical instruments and I really wanted this to be a

part of the book that there I am playing the tabla East Indian percussion instrument and I'm sitting on the ice at the Saddledome in front of the an NHL hockey net and it's it's always been trying to put them two together and now it's like an example to other kids who are visible minorities other kids of of different cultures and faiths that you know it really can work you can be a proud Canadian you can participate in sports and and have fun but you can also be proud of your heritage your faith your culture and I think I think going through all of that in that small town of brooks of having to try to marry everything together find that balance that's made me who i am today and that's that's what i like to talk about to other kids out there and other people is that

you know if it can work for me and if i'm able to have this dream come to fruition then of course whatever your dreams and goals are we're so lucky to be here you talked about the canadian dream this is the country where it's possible not anywhere else we we see what's going on everywhere else. There's so much hatred, so much divisiveness, but we're very lucky to be here. We still have a long ways to go. I mean, I get it. This is such a long-winded answer. You probably hate me right now. No, no. It's a podcast. Please keep going. I get it. So I get it when, you know, I'm walking in the parking lot of a mall or I get it on social media. I still have incidents of, you know, ignorance and racism that I have to, I think we have a long ways to go, but I'm still so proud of

Canada and who we are and what we represent but I do worry about the future too because I you know I I hope it I hope we can maintain this level level of acceptance and tolerance that we have and sports is a great way to do it hockey is is is a great way to do it what role did Ron McLean play in your life and career because you obviously you grew up watching him and then you end up on the same platform as him and then he writes the foreword to your book about your life so can you talk about him a little bit yeah ron mclean has just um i can't say enough good things about the that individual he is just so genuine in terms of how much uh time and respect he gives uh to anyone and everyone and uh you see it when he's going around to the hometown hockey and the way

he interacts with so many people how busy he keeps him his schedule but he's still still so personal i think he's the perfect canadian for me personally um when hockey night punjabi first started he was right away a champion of the show he was so supportive um and i remember those early conversations with him uh and then we we became closer in in the sense that he's uh from red deer alberta we have that connection uh he started his broadcast career in alberta as well and you know I started leaning on him for some guidance and advice especially in the more recent years too. And I mean, he's just been so incredible, so supportive and for a guy who's as busy as he is he still takes out time to

for advice and just to talk and, and you know, everything that went on even with Don Cherry and, and, and things too, it's, it's a difficult situation. And, you know obviously Ron was very much impacted uh but so were guys like myself and and my colleagues on hockey night punjabi too because you know we our community was singled out we were all of a sudden under attack about poppies even though we were wearing them too and so you know there's been so many different things that um over the years uh that have just drawn me closer to ron and i'm so very fortunate to have him so readily agree to write the forward and you know he talked about um my family and and us

having him over and everything it's it's just he's an incredible individual and i'm i'm indebted to people like that who've helped me along the way i need to know like when you first met ron and you're like oh yeah i'm from brooks i he seems like he could do half an hour of television on any any town in the country with 500 or more people did he already know about brooks oh of course because you know and that's an easy one from for him because he's from alberta but i'll tell you one really quick story so uh this would have been 2008 2009 hockey night punjabi first uh begins and i i run into him or i see him at the at the studio in toronto and i tell him this story about gretzky and i said you know on on gretzky's birthday on january 26th in brooks

brooks alberta the way my parents used to celebrate my siblings and i birthday we used to do a special prayer ceremony they would make this special food this exact same thing on our birthdays and do the prayer and i remember in brooks at our house in the kitchen january 26th of course i know gretzky's birthday from like you know all the hockey cards i have of his and i've memorized all that info and i say to my mom hey can it's called bershad and i said can we make bershad on because gretzky's birthday and you make it for our birthdays can we make it for him too and my mom of course you know being a teacher understanding kids and and and you know being supportive she's like of course we can and so for for several years several years in brooks alberta little did wayne gretzky know about

there we were doing a little prayer ceremony for him too and i told i told ron mclean that story in 2008 fast forward how many years later i've never mentioned that to him again hometown hockey begins and somewhere or another somehow i came up uh and he start brooks came up probably because of either curtis glencross or kale mccarr or something because they played in brooks and uh he goes oh speaking of brooks and he talks about my parents names them by name and tells that story and this is like you know six seven eight years later maybe even 10 and i my i'm at home we're watching as a family and my jaw completely dropped i'm like how can he have remembered that and i told him that just in passing so long ago so it's just a tangible proof that i think his brain i

think he's a genius yeah yeah yeah and a national treasure for sure there's no question about that i mean one of our favorite episodes we had him on and i what are we talking for two hours guys oh wow that's awesome he just came in and sat and talked to us and i mean there was a lot going on at that point i remember he had some interesting thoughts on you know whether the penguin should go to the white house and take a picture with donald trump and you know there was a lot going on at that moment uh in time in hockey as there has been you know for the last four years uh you know it's been a very socially it's been a time of upheaval for this for this sport that has been so conservative and so much uh it's its own thing and its own way for such a long time there is

massive changes happening as we've seen um i ask you are you encouraged by what you've seen in the last year within the game or are you still like obviously there's work to do but would you say you're more encouraged now than you would be in 2018 uh or has it illuminated some things that maybe even you didn't think existed and maybe we're further back in your mind than we when we thought we comes to uh diversity and welcoming new communities and i mean there's an economic barrier to getting into hockey as well i just want to get your thoughts on that yeah i'll start off by saying that um you know prior to the four-year uh era we're talking about i thought we as society had made quite a bit of progress i felt like i was um experiencing less moments of uh racism

and i thought things were you know uh in moving in the right direction and then you have uh the the election of donald trump and um just just the rhetoric that's being used uh and that that has been used and and you know the spewing vitriol of hatred and just the divisiveness it's had an impact and and then we had the the don cherry um incident when he was let go and in that and i've you know i've i'm not singling out don cherry as a person i want to talk about what happened after that and that scared me as a Canadian because because of the reaction from some people on social media and and just just in general that I saw a dark side of Canada that I either had just completely ignored or I didn't want to even believe that it existed but

some of my colleagues some of some of the people who are diverse journalists and reporters in canada with cbc and newspapers in this country uh some of the hate mail and some of the messages they received social media it's just it was shocking it was so shocking to to see that fellow canadians would say these types of things and uh you know to to say you know all you brown and black people should just go the hell back where you came from and and all this kind you know just just such hatred such vicious wording and that that really was an eye-opener for me and and i realized okay i've gotta i've gotta speak out i've gotta talk about why we feel offended i've gotta we have to have this conversation look at the four of us even here who out who out of us

can we say is more canadian uh than the other and that's the beauty of it we can't because we're all canadian right and and i so we had like it sparked this huge national conversation um and then you have what happened with George Floyd and then and then and then consequentially how it impacted the world of sports with the NBA and then eventually the NHL postponing games and so I'm going from you know I'm quite worried about where things are going but then there's this glimmer of hope the glimmer of hope that happened is what we started seeing is finally the NHL the NHL teams and the players they started taking a stand together in that moment in in the in hub city edmonton when the entire western conference players that they were that were left it wasn't

just the diverse players who stood up at that press conference they were all standing there together with ryan reeves and azam kadri and that was a big moment for me because it showed that okay other players of the majority are realizing that this isn't just a fight that diverse players need to stand up for this something everybody needs to stand up for that gave me some hope the other thing that gave me hope is when we started seeing news reports of like teams like the Dallas Stars saying they were losing season ticket holders because of Tyler Sagan attending a protest and and because of the team's stance but they were still willing to take that stand and make that statement that also gave me hope and you know I've had the opportunity now to work on Gary

Bettman created this uh and Kim Davis created these committees and I'm on the fan inclusion committee and there's representatives from all sorts of different teams and hearing that people in in the hockey community at at the levels of decision maker levels they're realizing that okay we might be alienating we not just might be we are alienating a certain group of our fan base but we don't care anymore and that's what gives me a little bit of hope is that you know for the longest time because hockey has been conservative a white sport um you know maybe there was this fear of losing a part of that fan base because if we talk about these issues that i get this complaint all the time that don't marry politics with hockey i don't want to be

hearing about this but this isn't politics this is just basic human rights of humanity yeah yeah it's respect for one another right and so i i finally see a glimmer of hope that we're doing this for the right reasons. And we're not going to care about losing those, those fans. I even think that the fans who are complaining about it, they're still going to watch. I mean, if you've been watching hockey your whole life and you're a racist or you're ignorant, even if we're having this conversation, you're probably still going to watch despite you. Maybe you hate me. Maybe you hate Ron. Maybe you hate some other people on TV who are talking about it, but you're probably still going to watch. And I'm glad we're not worried about those. Those fans don't make an

NHL arena welcoming I've been as a fan bought my own ticket sitting with friends other people of color diversity and we've had beer thrown at us we've had all sorts of things I've had I've been called Taliban I've been called Al Qaeda all these things that I have nothing to do with walking to an arena walking back to my car inside an arena you know those types of people they don't even make the experience welcoming anyways so I'd if you're asking me I'd rather not even have them at a hockey arena or as a fan and finally I think the sport is realizing that so that's what gives me uh some glimmer of hope do you did you deal with Don Cherry much did you know him I did uh I met him a number of times just when the show was Hockey Night Punjabi was first based

in toronto i didn't have any negative experience with him i mean he commanded a lot of respect everybody gave him that respect he was an iconic figure um we we kind of in our culture we have people called as babaji and it's like you you know you bow down and respect them he was an older elderly gentleman who you know um when he would walk into a room he had that presence where everybody would kind of give him that respect and things and you know he he uh i remember one offhand comment for a couple of years we did some toronto raptors when things were cbc based we did toronto raptors games in punjabi a few of them and uh back then the raptors weren't that good and he's he made an offhand remark to me while he was getting makeup done that he's like who's

gonna watch the raptors games in punjabi when no one's watching them in english and i that was just a funny comment that he made that i remember and i and you know obviously things have changed now with the Raptors being the championship team that they are a year ago I didn't have any personally you know negative experience I will say this though I talk about it in the book there's a chapter called poppies people would always ask me that question that hey did you ever meet Don how was he with you and then when I started to analyze and reflect on it I was like you know maybe the community already had this perception that he might not be as welcoming to them and why I realized after reflecting on it, like, why were people my whole career so far?

Why have they been so curious with how he was with me personally? So there's just been that underlying tone the whole time. This wasn't the first time he said something controversial. So many young people, when they put out the loops of stuff he said and put it all together from years and years ago, there was outrage just because of that, too. Because they were like, how could he have gotten away with saying so much stuff? you look at women in sports and then saying that you know when he was saying they shouldn't be allowed to cover hockey and be in the dressing room and all that stuff right i've i have women colleagues who are of a different generation who weren't around when he said those things and

we've had conversations where they were like i cannot believe he got away with saying that and you know there weren't any repercussions we're in a different time now and you you got to change with the times um you know i i do want to ask because it's and steve mentioned it's sitting over your left shoulder um uh the call that really i mean i know that you were huge within the punjabi community but this puts you on the worldwide hockey stage the benino benino benino call uh you got to run us through what you can even remember about that moment because i realize when you're calling games you probably there's a lot of stuff that just kind of goes in and out you don't remember what do you remember leading up to that do you remember the goal do you remember

saying Bonino Bonino do you remember the anything afterwards so I I get into it very detailed in the book okay there's actually there's actually several Bonino calls I'll give you a little bit of uh um so the first one that ever happened uh was a mistake in my notes and uh I'll give this away where for left wing center and right wing I accidentally wrote Bonino's name down for all three positions and that is the mistake that became the blessing in disguise uh so that was in my head and the adrenaline's pumping and he scored some big goals on this HBK line for the Penguins with Carl Hagelin and Phil Kessel they were basically the engine that drove the team in those playoffs and uh so the adrenaline's pumping and he scores uh uh this the first one

was against Washington actually and uh so that's what came out of my and we have an enthusiastic style i know um you like you know for the least fans watching this i'm sure some of you have heard the mitch marner i like to i like when he scores a game-winning goal or an overtime winner um and that type of thing we like to have quite a bit of fun with it and uh yeah it's enthusiastic it's enthusiastic to say the least and so when benino scored that goal what was in my mind was benino Bonino Bonino but it was you know it came out times 10 or 11 and initially um initially we Pittsburgh Penguins fans and the area of Pennsylvania like we got a lot of love from them and little did we know though like they were demanding they were like we want another Bonino

call another Bonino call and then you know we reached the Stanley Cup final it's game one and it was just served on a platter like there was such a demand for it and it's two and a half minutes to go i remember the goal he's standing just right in front of the net and he just gets it uh he just shovels it and and there you go against the sharks and it was just there and then my voice even cracked while he's people's people love that for some reason you know it's embarrassing for me but people have mentioned that to me so much and then of course after that they win the stanley cup the team invites us to the parade and then everything that happened from there with meeting lemieux and talking surprising the team in the dressing room there is so much uh that's

such a fun uh memory uh in in our career wise i'm i'm you know i consider nick benino a good friend now and he's such a great guy and there's some really cool moments mentioned in the book about that whole thing uh about how we were rock stars in pittsburgh for for a couple of years there it was a fascinating it was a fascinating social media moment for me personally because i was at that game so wow yeah so I wasn't able to you know watch the broadcast because I was there yeah and I noticed you know as as we're walking sort of around the courtyard you know people are you know they're starting to you know check this out and they're showing everyone and sure enough I saw it within a few minutes you were an instant sensation with with everyone in Pittsburgh it was

fascinating to watch yeah we had a cult following there um you know people were telling me that um you have no idea how this how big this is in pittsburgh and when we got to pittsburgh even on the flight to pittsburgh people are taking pictures and tweeting it out and um it was just it was crazy people were stopping cars along the streets when they saw us walking to jump out and get pictures with us it was i mean benino like him nick himself was saying that so many like obviously his teammates were into it big time but he said for you know years after that opposing players on the ice were always saying it to him he had so many people who had it as their ringtone and it was just you know him and I'll have this special bond uh for the rest of our careers and

and even for the show for Hockey Night Punjabi my colleagues and I that as you mentioned in your question first it it was revolutionary for our show for ourselves personally career-wise to be able to put ourselves on the map um so it was just like I say a mistake that was a blessing in disguise you guys have done some uh i don't know if it's funny or interesting translations to hockey terms like you have a different term for like penalty box or when there's a bad period can you explain some of those yeah and and the one of the cool things in the book is i i put a bit of a glossary in there um as a guide to watching hockey night punjabi and the penalty box one is kind of my favorite in the sense that um it is it adds some dramatic flair and it adds the spice you know

you've had uh you've probably had some Punjabi East Indian food and and uh you know it's always got the nice spicy flavor to it so penalty box we say which means back in English as box of punishment right so it's just it's so it's everything's kind of a much more fun way of doing things like if a team has a bad period the amount of chai we drink in our culture is just it's I've got it here I can't even do one of these interviews without it um so uh if a team has a bad period it's like even with the cha-cha it's like so during the intermission they need to go get some chai a cup of chai man they they need to figure it out so that they're better like that was a horrible period right so there's so many there's so many kind of those um uh terms that

we've created that are hybrids or then you have fun with it and we we really like you know sports is it's for entertainment you guys know this in terms of how how much of the how much fun you guys have um but you know that that should be at the forefront too like it shouldn't always it should be business when it's you know a serious part of the game or it's you know a certain point in the playoffs but for the most part you want to make sure you're having fun and that the audience is having fun and that's really what our show has been about i wish that that kind of energy was on the english broadcast i'll be honest uh on any network at any time i i you know i love the energy that you guys have and i think it's missing uh frankly from from a lot of the broadcasts that

are happening i think hockey's a little too slow on the broadcast end and i've been on the record of that and i i know that can land me some hot water with uh our colleagues except it works for bell i'll say it about tsn i'll say it about sportsnet i i think that they fire it up somebody to get them some chai so i hope i hope that you i don't know if this is a consideration for you because i realize that you have a unique set of skills uh being able to speak english and seek uh but it would be really nice if you could do some english broadcasts to a little more often and call those games just yeah that's that's my that's my goal i would love to do that i think even when i was a kid my my dream to do this was to do it in english and you know i'm very grateful

that hockey night punjabi came to fruition that's how i got my foot in the door had it not been for that i probably you know wouldn't uh be here and sitting in front of you guys and wouldn't have a book and everything that i've experienced so it's also done that show has done so much for growing the game um you know unifying canadians there's such a saturday night tradition in south asian families for three generations to sit together and watch it and um people are putting their kids into hockey because of that show so there is a need now for that show and you know we completed our 13th season and it's almost been like uh it was like my first baby you know what i mean like i was i'm very lucky to have been a part of it since day one and watch it grow to what it's

become today uh but i will say that you know the the end goal for myself and for some of my colleagues as well, is to get on that mainstream English side. I think we have a lot to contribute. But I also think that going back to the other topics we were talking about, I think it would help break down more barriers. You know, someone who maybe hasn't met someone who looks like me, who's watching on TV, and they might, you know, listen to me and be like, hey, he's got a Canadian an accent eh so if i'm if i'm able to just you know normalize diversity on tv by just being a part of an english hockey broadcast then then why not we need to be doing that i also want to be able to um help open the door for future generations so that when i when like i was being told when i

was a kid that there wouldn't be a place for someone like me i want to be able to break that door open and and show people that doesn't matter who you are how you look you there is a place for you and and and so that's important to me as well uh but but also at the end of the day it's the love of the game i mean i i love hockey i love canada i'm i'm so passionate about the sport and um it it kind of it boils over like i become giddy when i'm talking about hockey and um so i would just love to be able to be a part of um the mainstream hockey world and do play by play in english and hopefully that day will come sooner than later well i have to tell you um this has been one of the most fun interviews we've had um thank you illuminating and awesome i can't wait

wait to fully read the book uh and again if you would like to read it honda ryan i'm gonna let you introduce it this time yes yeah it's one game at a time my journey from small town alberta to hockey's biggest stage um yeah all that pittsburgh benino stuff um my family how hockey night punjabi started a lot of gretzky stuff hey my wedding was in a hockey arena a life-size stanley cup cake was our wedding cake kelly kelly rudy did the ceremonial uh face-off body checked me out of the way so my wife could win um there's a lot of uh a lot of fun stuff in there um and it's and you know i'm really thankful it's a national bestseller now and um you know i i think um i think it's exactly what the world

needs right now a positive story of diversity through the lens of a canadian hockey broadcaster so i really i had a lot of fun being on with you guys too hopefully we can do this again sometime soon well i hope so just for just for fun you don't have to be promoting a book and if i can share one quick story i grew up with a young a young man who i've recently reconnected with his name's jatine uh jatine bandari uh his uh his uh his family is hindu um and on saturday nights when i would go to his house and hang out with his cat peter uh and his dad would always have hockey night in canada on uh ramesh uh unfortunately no longer with us and they were first generation Canadians. And it's funny that that was my first experience with multiculturalism with the sport

and bringing people into the culture. It was Ramesh that watched Hockey Night in Canada to learn English. And that was one of the, I thought that was very, very cool at the time. And I know Jatine had, he had one of those, there was no difference in terms of talent level with him or me uh he could end up broadcasting as well um very funny very uh polite and very affable guy one of those guys that that can charm anybody in any room and i think seeing more people like yourself on television uh by which he could have modeled himself maybe he would have gone that route as well so what you're doing is amazing please keep it up we hope we get your energy on the english broadcast not that we want to take away from the the sick broadcast but uh hunter

Ryan Singh thank you so much for your time today that means a lot thank you so much guys take care all the best well I don't know about you but that was one of the most fun interviews we've ever done we really enjoyed that I can't wait to listen back yeah yeah yeah we just gushed for five minutes like thank you so much thank you my face hurts I Adam when you when uh oh man the Leafs could use some chai man the the broadcast use a little chai i'm saying i know that makes them popular but man let's pick it up let's get some energy going i was i was trying to hold it together and then i looked at jesse's face not laugh at that and you got the dr seuss mug oh my god i absolutely love it by the way amazing the best don't drink it supposedly and i didn't know

this i was an ignorant person about this until a couple weeks ago that's not surprising chai tea just means tea tea so it's it's like you're saying tt what oh because chai means tea it's just yeah yeah yeah well yeah well and that's where the british tea obsession comes from is is india right so that's where they tell me adam well that's where yeah i mean history corner there's the ugly colonialism side of it but yes that's where the tea obsession comes from is and the americans used to be obsessed with tea but they switched to coffee during the american revolution when it started when they threw all the tea in the harbor they didn't want to buy tea from england that they had that would go to england from india be processed in england and then shipped to the

united states right no screw that we're going with coffee which is why you have a north american coffee obsession all right adam's history corner boston tea harbor go tea party um okay well okay all right like there's lots of great angles on the american revolution first off um it never happens and it never succeeds without the french uh it it's just a bunch of like rowdy drunken cowboys and criminals like john hancock and by the way john hancock is like the hand solo of of uh the american revolution the guy i don't know what that means he's a smuggler he was a smuggler that's what john hancock hancock was and he's got his name on the declaration of independence uh he was a criminal by the way if you look on it it's the biggest name because he

was a really big personality and there's like a flourish and that's why they say give it give me your john hancock on signatures because it's such a big signature compared to everybody else's now i'm not trying to just besmirch these people they were very smart people they did a lot of amazing things corrupt stuff but but well john hancock for sure was was trying to sneak things And Americans don't like to pay taxes. Maybe you've heard they've never liked to pay taxes. So what happened was you had the Seven Years War or the French and Indian War, whatever you want to call it. The British wrestle Canada and a bunch of other territories from the French. They sell some of it back in the treaty. But essentially, they own that whole eastern North American coast from Nova Scotia all the way down to just above Florida, which doesn't become part of it until America takes over. And then there's a Spanish version, whatever. Long story short, this is going to be a massive move for England. However, because of something called mercantilism, which is everything has to go trade wise through the home mother country, it allowed the English to set prices and taxes that the American merchants didn't like.

They wanted to deal directly with the French, the Spanish and the Dutch in the East Indies and and sorry, in the West Indies, not the East Indies, and ship directly to them, trade directly with them. But if you wanted to trade for something like tobacco or cotton or some of those things that were only available in certain parts of the world or sugar cane, you had to ship it to England and then England would ship it over to the Indies. And the reason for that is England wanted to make sure that it pulled its tax out to pay for its country and obviously the French French and Indian War, the Seven Years War, whatever you'd like to call it. So what happens is they institute a tea tax. And the whole argument is we have no representation in English parliament as Americans or as North Americans. We have nobody here representing our rights in parliament. How can you tax us without representing us? You have what you call it a representative government. How can you tax us? And so, you know, when you when you read the American Revolution from not the American perspective, as much as they make a solid point about about taxation without representation, there is a lot of shenaniganery going on as well. And what it came down to was a moment of opportunity where Americans realized that they were more powerful than they thought they were, that more powerful than anybody could have thought they were. And they the long story short with the American Revolution and what kicks off with the Tea Party and so many other things is that it became economically disastrous for England to continue the war because France is in it. And France finds the war also economically disastrous, and we'll get to that in a second.

It becomes such a boat anchor around the British economy that they go, you know what? Why don't we just let them have it, and then we can trade with them again? So they did. They let them have it. What year is this? What's that? 1984. 1775 to 1781.

And that's when Yorktown surrendered. uh it was general corn wallace who was surrounded there he had tried to start a southern campaign now if you read the book on mosquitoes that i told you to read you'll know that his his his uh his army suffered tremendously from things like malaria and yellow fever uh which were you know things like you know just terrible terrible scourges on on armies at the time had that not existed they they probably don't win the american revolution the americans it remains an english colony. Now, what happens with the French afterwards, and I think I've mentioned this before, is they spent so much money funding the American Revolution. And then the Americans come

back and say, well, no, we're an independent country. And France is like, well, no, but we were going to trade exclusively, right? And the Americans are like, no, why would we give you exclusive trade rights? We're a country now. Thanks for your help. We owe you some money, but we're a country now. And what happens is the French economic system, which is old and terrible and tired and already on its last legs falls apart under louis the 16th because of the debt incurred during the american revolution it leads to the french revolution the americans try to pull out of their debt owed to the french because they say well we didn't so when the revolutionary government takes over the first of like five or six the americans go we signed it with the king

we didn't sign it with your government so we don't really owe you and so there's a lot of that so So there's lots of that going on. Oh, yeah. Adam Wilde. Because... Yeah, anyway, so there's lots and lots of stuff about the American Revolution. World politics-wise, that's really interesting.

Like, Spain was involved in the American Revolution as well. People don't know that. But Spain was not directly allied to the United States. Spain was at war with England. They were allied with France, but they refused to recognize the United States because they didn't want their colonies in Mexico going, hey, we'd like independence too.

so they recognized france's role they recognized that they were in war with england but they did not recognize the united states even though they were fighting on the same side this is the gap between adam and i adam's explaining these things and i'm like that's hamilton yep and then he keeps going and i'm like that's lame as rob yep that's okay i'm following i'm good yeah and then uh holy cow the the the american no no i think it's just a lot of useless knowledge but american revolution is fascinating, not just from the American perspective. If you read the British perspective on the American revolution, it's, it, it leads to what they call the second empire. They, it reinvigorates England to try to try to have as much influence in the world as possible

because of the influence they've lost by losing the American colony. So then they go and they put all of their influence into Africa and, and India and, and, you know, Burma and places like what was burma um and they become a again a worldwide power and that sort of thing but it's the the first empire is the british with america and then the second empire and there's actually architecture named after the second empire it's called second empire uh architecture there's a big victorian houses with the big steeples and stuff that's considered second empire because they were in the second phase of their empire so weird useless knowledge there you have it they actually teach classes on this stuff man it's crazy a lot of stuff what in our school

not in our school no if you went to architecture school you'd know about second empire architecture it's one of the most famous types of architecture out there victorian architecture is is subdivided into certain pieces and second empire is one of them so it's not all just victorian no no because the victorian era was 60 60 something years long right so so then you have then you've got you know you've got a tutor revival and you've got edwardian and georgian and like the all the all the ones that came afterwards and then of course when world war one hits everything kind of stops and then it gets very practical and then you get art deco and you start to get into the modern era so it's a it's a i don't know it's a pretty fascinating um fascinating topic the american

revolution is something that i highly suggest you look at from not the american perspective because the American perspective is important and interesting, but that's all we get. I think you should look at it from the French perspective and the Spanish perspective and the British perspective, because it speaks to the world and what the world is going through. And there are suspiciously few books written on those topics, which is such a shame. Like the world is dying for a big book on Britain losing the American revolution and what that meant and letters at the time and what newspaper clippings would have done. Like I'm surprised there isn't more um but it exists really only in um you know in historical like academic circles which is a

shame because i think it's i think it's important for americans to know where they stood at the time they were completely different country right they didn't get that you don't get that third person perspective on just wars and the losers in certain conflicts when you're growing up in school and learning history like there's no kind of okay let's take a step back from everything and look at where these things happen in the placement of the entire world and how other countries felt. You kind of just get the in the eye of the hurricane perspective of these winners and losers in history. We've got to have, I think you got to understand the other side as much as you can. And obviously we get a lot of stuff like Nazi Germany stuff, but we never get Kaiser Wilhelm

Germany stuff in World War I. You never hear about why Franz Joseph, the leader of Austria-Hungary wanted them to go to war uh so badly um you know there are books about it um and i think i mentioned one about the three emperors the or the last three kings or something i actually here's a book if you're if you're actually interested in this stuff uh i can pull it up because i read it in september thanks to uh our buddy kevin harris in nashville tennessee who took us to the predators game love kev um give it let me pull it up here it's called george nicholas and wilhelm the three royal cousins and the road to war world war one, which I think is an interesting one. And the other one, I think that you would really find interesting is not a book at all. It's a free podcast. Um, if you're

on Spotify or where, or Apple music or whatever, Dan Carlin is doing a three part. Well, it's going to be a fourth part here, probably in a year. Cause he takes forever to put them out, but there are three parts right now on Japan and what led to Japan's war in world war two. And, you know, people forget that japan was an was a british united states canadian ally in world war one people forget that they fought against germany they fought against uh they fought against and actually italy was too um they they fought against so many of these things what led them to switch sides what you know led to you know their their culture and the and the um the government that they had and and how the military basically ran roughshod over everybody um and then you know

It gets into Hirohito and so many of the things that are these fascinating, crazy historical characters that you hear little bits about from our North American vantage point. But something that makes – it's just such a fascinating thing. And Dan Carlin does such a great job. As you guys know, he's our favorite podcast in the world. Steve does a great impression of him. I haven't listened to him in so long. You got to hear this then. I mean, the last – the third part just came out in October.

So I would suggest you check it out because it's really, really good. I took a university course that was, I think it was like world history, 1900 and 1945. So imagine my surprise when first class, he's like, all right, so we're starting in, I think it was like 1840s Japan. And the whole class goes, what? And he's like, no, no, no. For the first two classes, you're going to have to stick with me because everything I'm going to tell you is useless without this information.

yeah i was just like he man he marked it was tough because like in math you know maybe you get part marks or in english you get part marks if there were 10 parts to an answer and you got the first four things right in chronological order but the fifth one wrong and then six seven eight nine ten right you got four because the whole house falls down the second you get one of the pieces right he was a very and i'm sitting there like this is an elective what did i do to myself i've never taken that many notes in my life i got great course i've said i think i've said this on the show before but i took a history elective in my one year of university and i sat down for the first class and the guy said you're gonna spend between 10 and 15

hours a week at the library for this course each week and i got out of that course and dropped it immediately uh and then you dropped school entirely i was just was yeah and then i dropped school i just wasn't i wasn't going to do that like i just didn't have the drive to do that uh you know like i i'm i'm one of those people that if i want to do something there's not going to be anything that stops me but if i don't want to do it i just won't like i just can't force myself to do it and i couldn't force myself with school anymore even with a subject like history that i really love um because so much of what history is is not history itself or the stories It's the annotations and the bibliography and the primary source documents and shit like that that are very, very important.

But I'm not interested in that. I don't want to be a historian. I'm interested in the stories from the guys that did all that kind of work and then relaying those if I can. I'm a fan of history. I'm not a historian. Right? So Ryan Pollock didn't get any UFA years in his deal with the Isles. Let's do that.

Yo, can I ask you a question? you just did the gm of the year this year what do you win for this is the thing i keep saying with lou lamoureux because everyone talks about him well not everyone there's two schools he's either the best gm ever ever ever or he's an idiot who wouldn't know how to unlock his own phone and all his so many of his moves if you look at them individually are terrible especially fiscally like financially in terms of the cap in terms of you might lose one of your best defensemen in a couple years like the islanders haven't been through enough of that in terms of all that if you look at them individually they're terrible

and there they are in the second round two years ago and in the third round this year and we looked at their free agency a few years ago and they signed this guy this guy and this guy to replace john tavaris and we're like they're gonna finish last place and what the hell yeah they get robin lennar and they turn him into a vesna candidate which sounds like a ridiculous thing to say now because you're thinking of robin lennar over the past two or three years he was the most ho-hum of the ho-hum thomas grice was coming off like the worst year of his career i don't know lou lamorello is a is a fascinating case to me because i wouldn't have done at least 75 of the moves he's done uh since joining the islanders and who can argue they're

a bad team you can't they're not a bad team you can't so okay so let's let's separate some things here first off if you think lou lamorello is an idiot um i question your sanity the man has won several stanley cups uh i could say confidently that you could maybe make an argument that he's past his prime and that's possible it's going to happen everyone there'll be a time where we all have to stop broadcasting because we're just not as good as we used to be or it'll be time to retire and actually just go to, you know, get on the golf course or do whatever. I don't golf, but you know what I mean? There's a time for everyone.

Lou is 77, 78 years old. There are people that can make that argument, but Steve, the results don't show that. The results show that he's doing great. I'm reading about him a lot in Brian Burke's new book. I'm reading that right now. And it's a fascinating book about, to me, it's it speaks a lot to hockey management culture and um i'm i'm really really enjoying it and he

talks about lou lamorello and the effect that lou had on brian's life and i'm not going to get into it you know hopefully we can get brian on the show to talk about it a little bit um we haven't organized that or anything but we'd love to have him on um lou lamorello to me has a makeup in his mind of what a team needs to look like what a player at each position needs to be for a team to be successful and you know when you look at like the leo kamarov contract which is one that sticks out to me lunacy in terms of what it costs but they could afford it at the time now they're having issues like what they have with ryan pollock which you know he's just signed a two-year deal where he pays him about five million bucks a season and it's going to walk him straight to

free agency and he's their best defenseman. So what Lou has done here is he has kicked the mega contract down the road a couple of years. And in an effort, I believe Matt Barzell still needs to be signed. I haven't seen anything. Lou's kicked Ryan's contract down the road. Matt Barzell is yet to be done. He's doing what he has to do right now, rather than probably what you would want to do. I bet that was a tough negotiation. I bet the Barzal negotiations are pretty rough as well. But what I think with, yes, in a vacuum, this doesn't look good. But Lou Lamaral is probably thinking a couple of things. First off, I may not be here in a couple of years and I need this guy in the lineup. And number two, we'll worry about that problem.

What's Lou's number one saying? If you have time, use it. He's just given himself time. there's nothing that says as soon as this next year is over because as soon as this next year is over he can start talking extension because ryan pullock will have one year left on his deal and you can start talking extension okay then i'll talk then i got 12 months from that point to figure out the the next extension for this guy and pay him what you know what closer to what his market value would be i think lou lamorello is a lot smarter than people give him credit for I know, I think there's a little bit of ageism there. I think that I could disagree with a lot of what Lou Lamorello has done.

I'm not necessarily a fan of it all, but what you can't do is argue with the results. The Islanders have been, since he got there, a team that's made the second round twice. Right? There's nothing you're going to... They were in the final four. Yeah, they made some moves that are questionable, no question.

They had to give up Devin Tays for two second round. Not good. not good and probably not what they were expecting but the result is the result you give up those assets and you're like oh that's not great but then in the end if you're in the final four of the entire nhl you're like okay that was worth it and they're the best goaltending coach in the league by far like they're you like along your lines jesse like they've revived robin lanter and then simeon varlamov's careers in consecutive or see sorry careers in consecutive seasons and then hired barry trotz yeah and just became like the league's best metapod like we've talked about

just defense defense defense hard and that's a new team wasn't that what new jersey was when they were at their best it was patrick les you scored all the goals everybody else uh just keep rotor protected that was it steve yes can we bring up what you mentioned before the show what i mentioned in that it does lou think he doesn't have a lot of time left in the game of hockey and that now his moves are just to win now well it's just a theory one because you're never going to learn anything about lou lamorello from him right he's never going to reveal anything but i'm just like i look at the pollock thing for example you know why would he do something is short-sighted as you know only sign him till his ufa year and then he he can leave

and what i came up with is well surely he's going to be done soon surely he's going to be done soon right but we said that how many years ago we said that before he was leaf's gm you know not many people work into their 70s at all let alone deep into their 70s lou lamorello is probably going to be the first ever 85 year old uh gm and uh you know you mentioned ageism maybe it was a little on my part saying well mine too he doesn't think he has long left so he's like screw it i'll you know i'll kick this can down the road and it's someone else's problem and here's uh here's the two two-year deal for you we thought we thought that about some of the things he did with the Leafs you know meanwhile uh you know here he is still working several years later he gave Zaitsev

a seven-year contract and that wasn't wasn't short-sighted as much as it was just a bad move but he was obviously like yeah this guy will be great for seven years yes I he's got a fascinating brain he's got a fascinating brain I think what we lose with Lou Lamorello sometimes uh in evaluating his teams is you need to look at every player on his roster and assume you're getting the the best version of that player possible you gotta be um okay like i'm just looking at the islanders now and it's it's disrespectful obviously given what they've done over the past couple years but i just look at the the team that they have and i'm like there's no way they're pulling this off without the absolute best that all of these young men have to give them yep

yep but that's a credit to management right if you're if you throw together a collection of guys and then those guys all mesh and they perform they give you their best then that's that's kudos to management thumbs up for throwing in a great collection of guys that'll perform it's a state of mind, right? Like the, the, the shaving thing we thought was ridiculous, but it's a state of mind. Every day you wake up and you're in, you're in the bathroom after, you know, just waking up and in a way you're at work, you got to shave, you got to shave. So, okay. That's how the day starts. And now I got to go to the arena. So I'm going to show up in, Oh, you got to show up in your suit and oh we're on the road and from the moment you wake up in your hotel that morning

you go you know you can do whatever you want for breakfast or actually no you probably can't you probably go got to have a team breakfast so every part of your day is controlled by your work you have to shave then you got to get dressed in a certain way then you got to go have uh you know breakfast with your team at your every moment is work it's professional um you know we can talk about you know how that translates to other fields and you know driving people nuts and everything but geez look at his track record in the nhl it seems to work yeah now i don't love i don't love that move for them because you want to grab some free agents sorry free agent year deals but or sorry free agent years however to be clear i hate this for that but but but the fact

is they didn't and he still got now 24 months to figure out the extension and it's not the worst thing in the world it really isn't and they you could argue they have a window because they made it to the second round and then they made it to the third and of all the teams tampa played who gave him the most trouble the islanders i miss arguably columbus gave him trouble i felt like the islanders were just a better they gave tampa a better version of what the blue jackets gave better columbus yes yeah there was an argument to dallas dallas was pretty feisty boston just didn't hold up um good and yeah good but even though the islanders got caved in in terms of shots they reminded me so much of the 2013 leafs where yeah they're getting out shot

the hell but at any moment there's a breakaway going the other way and you're boned and and it's funny with lou lambrello teams uh there may not be a dearth of talent but they seem to outperform expectation i mean if you look at the 16 17 leafs and then the next year the 17 18 leafs there's also there's a little element of youth with the islanders that i guess because they've only been islanders in their career we kind of forget about them like anthony bouvillier is a super underrated player barzal is even probably an underrated player um and another another thing about lou lamorello teams is he likes to have the same guys on there forever you know i'm curious there is part of me that would love to know what those rfa contracts would look like the leafs

rfa contracts would look like uh under lou because with the devils i mean you could you can think about any team from any point in our childhood and probably rattle off the same core six or seven guys right there was obviously broder nina meyer stevens danico forever and ever and ever up front there was patrick elliott i remember there was a lot of jason arnott um you know and then with the Islanders he's he's just John Tavares obviously left immediately but beyond that I mean he he knows who he likes Anders Lee is locked up forever Brock Nelson is locked up forever Jordan Eberle is like Anders Lee didn't almost get locked up forever though remember that was he seemed they made him sort of the second choice last year uh Joe was locked

up forever I think that was an extension by him uh as well and he was a great add to that playoff run there's no question yeah so in in terms of you know my my stupid little thing where i'm like oh he's not thinking about the future typically his moves are you know so maybe we should take into account the uh pandemic and right how it may have stifled even mighty lou i think if you were to put lou lamorello in charge when those contracts with marner matthews kneelander were signed i first i don't think tovaris happens flat out i just don't think it happens i agree so um i So I think that there's less pressure at that point, to be honest, because there is no John Tavares in Toronto, I don't think.

Beyond that, and anybody who says that that's a good thing forgets that he scored 47 goals in his first year here. Like, I love how people are hard on John Tavares all of a sudden as though he hasn't come in and just blasted the doors off the plays. Like, it's unbelievable. He showed up these bubble playoffs. Yes, he was great. Of all the guys on the forward group to show up,

John Tavares is at the top of the list. Matthew's too. Matthew's a pretty good player. Yeah, definitely. Of all the Leafs who take crap, which is basically all of them, John Tavares' criticism feels the most arbitrary. Yes.

You know what I mean? It's just, well, he's the captain. No, that's not it. No, it's not a thing. It's not a, well, they lost and he's the captain. So what is he? Is the C the blame me letter? and if they win it's all because it hit like that's dumb that is it's lazy it's it's lazy

watch the games watch the games man so when i when it comes to those contracts i think there would be a lot less pressure and i think because there was less there would be less pressure i have a feeling that lou amorello probably would have been able to squeeze those guys a little bit and yes they would have i think there would have been time missed i think matthews would have ended up with the contract matthews ended up with maybe a little bit less because nobody saw him making 11 and a half million dollars um but i feel like there's a chance that he's still in the double or sorry the the five digit number uh whatever it is seven digits i don't even know what the hell it is eight digits what's what's the million seven no eight eight eight digits whatever i do i do

think that kneelander misses time and i do think marner misses time yeah well and this time you know and i don't think luke cares he'd be like yeah but people will correctly be like oh master negotiator he gave zaitsev four mil for seven years agreed agreed right because he believed in the i don't think it was because he was grind was going to be ground down by the player's agent i think they believed nikita zaitsev was good there was i mean we looked at it you know we're we're thinking with recency bias but here let me just bring it up not even good just a role on the team that would be stable for seven years and four million bucks affordable exactly I think that's how Lou thinks of things like we started this conversation he had a place for Zaitsev and he

thought he was gonna just fill that hole and just leave it alone for the next half a decade and when you play him on the power play Zaitsev does well yes so Nikita Zaitsev came into the NHL as a 24 year old rookie with a right-handed hockey stick oh my god and put up 36 points now if you think that's about to be your forever oh my god yeah lock that up it's worth four million bucks yeah yep yeah that's that's one of the but then they stopped playing two defensemen on the power play right as they should rule yeah and to be honest that was martin morinchen was playing like 78 games that year connor carrick was in their top four on defense like there was not it was not a strong defensive core zaitsev did not have a high bar to jump over uh and got a ton of ice

time where probably on another team he wouldn't have gotten it so his fancies weren't any good but like leave his fancy numbers alone like oh 36 points what's this minus 22 all about you know what i mean there were there were red flags seven seven was that the worst on the team it had to be yes it was oh in the end they got rid of it they got rid of it and they that gift brought us cody cc that guy kyle got rid of it um moving on uh anthony mantha that's a good deal by the way uh detroit signing him for four years 22 million bucks not bad uh pretty solid player steve eisenman man don't you just hate that detroit's gonna be good again i sort of have enjoyed that

detroit has been a non-player for such a long time because my entire life my entire freaking life and since i was like i don't know two years old 1990 they were back on that was when they were on the rise um detroit's been good they're gonna catch people i hate them i hate them i hate to catch people off guard they were they're gonna be good they were bad last year too intentionally yeah too intentionally they're gonna come back young and they're gonna come back healthy and they even made some additions that are like not mind-blowing but good and maybe not mark space but they can weaponize their cap space man oh they have uh it says 9.5 on cap for that's going to be a fortune come trade deadline i just have one question

you're only allowed half a question who plays goalie for the detroit red wings jonathan bernier john daddy who was pretty good last year he had 907 is not a good number on detroit it is Vesna worthy Sterling uh and uh Thomas Grice I'm very interested to see how Thomas Grice does outside of the New York Islanders I think that's an interesting pairing for a non-playoff team like a team that's probably not expecting it or the playoffs I mean I know they probably want to they're going to show up at camp and go yes we want to make the playoffs but for a non-playoff team Bernier coming off a pretty good year a rebound year and I would argue maybe a career saving year uh and then thomas rice i mean that's kind of interesting you got a motivated pair in

that uh who are going to be competing with each other for ice time and then you've got young players and then you've got guys who have been there the dylan larkins of the world the anthony manthas uh who understand how hard it is in the nhl and who are still relatively young all their young players you guys young players are going to be better they're goaltending okay you're you know you're gonna maybe get a full season out of philip zadina you guys have a lot more confidence in jonathan bernier than i do well he's not great no he's not great but he'll be there i don't know if you can make thomas grace your starter but i think it'll end up working out by the end of the season that bernier is their 1a sort of guy um and it's a it's going to be an

interesting season because there's no way by the way this is just my opinion there's no way it's going to be an 82 game season there's absolutely no i'd probably be 70 i would think no 72 i would be thrilled with that many games. It's not going to happen. They need to hit a certain number for television contracts with Rogers. So they'll have to they'll have to hit something. It'll have to

be like 70 something. I assume. Man, I was watching a clip of our podcast by the way. We were talking in the episode title was Kasky's Woes and it was the show that we did the day after Casimir Kasky's Woe got lit up in his first and only NHL game

because the Leafs abandoned him. That was 11 months ago. Wow. That was less than a year ago. Wow. And it's still not the next season. I know. And then we're going to do a 70-game season that starts in February.

I don't know. They're going to hit the January date, and it's going to be a complete season. Yep. That's my prediction. That's what I'm holding to. I'm going to say 70 games. I'm going to say 70 games.

just to be different because i'm a contrarian it'll be like 72 to 82 69 perfect that's a nice amount perfect um uh lastly uh before we get into the press conference i do want to mention the the you know the whole twitter argument about hitting in the ohl so basically if you don't know about this the ontario government uh in all of its wisdom uh has put a minister in charge who i would personally say is a questionable uh choice uh and uh you know is a is a extremely intelligent person there's no question about that uh but i i do question to me a spotty record and basically the question is can the ohl the kids in the ohl can they hit because of covid are they allowed to hit and lisa mcleod is she's the mpp she has said absolutely we are not

negotiating this uh because it was reported by darren dreger that the two sides are talking and she said this is not a negotiation point she retweeted him and said that bob mckenzie came back at her and said well okay well there's an in typical bob fashion just like elliot friedman very neutral there are a lot of questions here what's the difference between a hit and a 20 second puck battle which happens all the time which potentially would be more dangerous in this idea. So I don't know what the right answer is, but I know that doing nothing is not the right answer. You know, personally, I think you have to play the deck of or the play the cards that you're dealt. So when we are dealt a pandemic, instead of sitting back and saying, we're not

going to do this, we need to look at what are the solutions to do this. We have to continue to live. We have to continue to, you know, these guys, you say what you want. Oh, just don't have them play these kids have been working their whole lives this could affect there's millions of dollars to stake for some of these kids um and uh and frankly for some of the coaches and for some of the teams their survival scholarships you know imagine just saying no not not major junior sorry but junior a anyway but yeah but imagine you're looking at at this is a as a as a league owner your franchise just might not exist you just may never open the door again And for a lot of these communities, which the OHL is represented in, they're a major deal. So, you know, to say, well, why don't they just not play? I think fundamentally disrespects the fact that there are hundreds and hundreds and thousands of jobs at stake here that are beyond just the players.

the player safety has to be paramount i believe that it already is the question is is the body checking argument really the argument here or are we needing to take a step back and go what are we doing to protect the players outside of the rink so that when they do hit on the ice the chances of covid being spread or even being brought onto the ice are basically as close to nil as we can get them and i think that that's the issue that we're facing is that you know there's so many people that are willing to wait to go well it's just junior hockey who the hell cares well i'm sorry but if you played if you did anything for 12 years from the time you were like i don't know four years old and you had a dream and you actually had the talent to to make it happen

and your parents are driving you to uh to to practice or whatever even if you don't end up in the nhl even if you don't play hockey professionally in uh in the swedish league or in the AHL or in the KHL or whatever. It could lead to other things for you. And there's plenty of good things that come out of playing in the OHL for these kids. I want you to imagine you take the one focus of these kids' lives,

the thing that they love the most in the whole world, away from them for a year and let them sit on their ass as teenagers and imagine what happens then. To me, sports give people focus. They give people a reason to get up in the morning. It gave me, when I was a kid, a reason to look forward to the weekend. I loved, loved, loved playing hockey.

And that was the thing I looked forward to most about Saturdays. If I didn't have hockey in my teen years, I'd have been lost. I'd have been drinking a lot, frankly. And I'm not saying that's going to happen to all of these kids. But I think it's extremely, well, I was drinking anyway. But it's extremely destructive to take away something like that from a young person. so the question on the adult side is how do we continue to do this with the cards that we are dealt which is a global pandemic and that is the challenge you want to be an mp or an mpp or

whatever the hell they are you want to be a league executive you want to be a coach you want to be in hockey at all you want to be in government at all i'm sorry this isn't a normal year and i'm sorry these aren't normal circumstances but that is what you are paid for you are paid to figure this out And when an MPP comes out and says, we're not negotiating this, you've completely shut down the conversation. And we know full well that they are negotiating it. We know that they are talking. We know that they are throwing proposals back and forth. So to say that is not only wrong and just destructive, it's disingenuous. Of course you're talking. That's how you come to a solution. It's not Lisa McLeod says in the OHL and all of Hockey Follows. She knows that as well as they do. So figure it out, protect the kids, and give them their reason to continue. This is a game that is already suffering in this country,

and we call it part of our national fabric. We have to protect this game. We have to make it better. I understand the hockey culture things. We talked about that with Hunter Ryan earlier in the show. That's part of protecting it. This is part of protecting it. And so the Memorial Cup specifically means a lot to a lot of people.

Yes. I think the highest rating for the Memorial Cup was 2005 when Sidney Crosby was in it. And they nearly had a million people for just that game. You know, it was like 800,000 or something like that. So a lot of people are invested in the communities, the people who just care about hockey. It's not just something to throw away and make blanket statements about. Right. And politics so often is polarizing.

Steve, let me ask you a question. Sure. You saw the Oshawa Generals win in 2015. Yes, I did. Do you think that the people of Oshawa cared? Do you think it mattered to them? Oh, yeah. Do you think that the people of Erie,

do you think Connor McDavid cared about losing? He did. I saw him when he came off the ice. Right. It was his last game in junior. Would you say that it's an important part of the culture in Oshawa, the Generals? An enormous part.

An enormous part. So how does it serve that community and any of these communities to discontinue that or to stifle any sort of discussion about player safety? It doesn't. And I think, I think it is a ridiculous distraction of a conversation, the, the no, no body checking. And it's, it's, it's too easy. And I think disingenuous to be like, well, i'm consulting health officials which of course of course you should of course that's that's the

bare minimum like there should be we're gonna not there there should be you folks within hockey though who are consulted about this decision too because they would tell you that's not going to bloody do anything taking out body checking but body checking is you collide and generally it's over uh brian campbell leveling rj umberger they they met for a very short amount of time before rj umberger laid down and uh brian campbell went on his merry way these these these uh you know working in the corner and rubbing up next to each other and net front battles and like what are we even doing this is a waste of time it's a silly conversation uh lisa mcleod tweeted that out with 97 days before the proposed um the proposed beginning to the ohl season do you know

what ontario's covid numbers were 97 days ago i think it was somewhere around 100 we've just passed a thousand so it's gone really per day per day it's gone really poorly in one direction maybe it'll go the complete reverse uh by 97 days by now but the point of the the fact of the matter is it is a complete distraction and doug ford knows that uh that's why he had to tweet and jeff merrick put it uh great um where he goes this is basically the equivalent of a lawyer going your honor what my client was trying to say lisa mcleod uh for context for non-ontarians is a giant pain in doug ford's ass and has been for several years she was previously the minister of children's services i can't remember the exact title or something like that she wanted to change the way

uh you know families of kids with autism get funding they hated it um they didn't like her track record with communication they didn't feel listened to so she was shuffled surprising right oh i know it connects to this so she was shuffled out and then early reports were whoever the new minister is i forget the person's name um they were like hey this person's actually at least listening to our concerns lisa mcleod by the way was previously mentioned on this podcast not last episode when i was saying snide remarks about her she was previously mentioned in the story that we covered where she allegedly stumbled up to eugene melnick at a concert and called him a fucking loser yes it was that same person so anyway now she was shuffled to the minister of sports uh

because she didn't do a very good job at her uh previous uh post and now there's another controversy here that didn't need to be a controversy and doug ford is once again having to uh come out and uh save her ass and you're saying to yourself why is she in why is she a minister of anything lisa mcleod is an extremely popular mpp within her writing and important to the conservative base in ontario so you know as much as you know in politics you've got to work with people you don't like even within your own party and i would assume maybe they like each other but i would assume that uh the way doug ford has played this in ontario and for anybody outside of ontario he's the equivalent of like what andrew cuomo is in new york um the uh you

know in a first minister's position he has been he has worked with all levels of government he hasn't got you know he's disagreed with people but he's working with john tory and in toronto he's working with all the the mayors in peel uh in mississauga he's worked with justin justin trudeau who you know they were sort of very diametrically opposed and worked in partnership in tandem with uh he's very much played let's let's all work together through this he's gone very out of his way to praise justin trudeau which right which has been shocking to see yeah would never have happened before this no uh even if he privately would have praised him uh he's been very much the guy that you know whether you agree with his politics or not

has tried to work with all levels of government and i'll give him that uh the uh the issue with people like Lisa McLeod and anybody in any sort of negotiation is when you say no, when you just flat out say no before the negotiations has even started, if you disagree with the fact that a negotiation needs to take place, then not very much can be done. And the reality is even our conversations about topics on this show are a negotiation. We are trading facts and we are trying to come to some sort of conclusion or opinion. And that's what everything is. When you when you go home and you try to figure out what's for dinner you are trading information back and forth with your roommate or your wife or your husband or whoever you're with to or your kids

and you're and they're often negotiating for macaroni and cheese and you're saying no not tonight we've had that the last five nights you can't win this one this is really specific but you know what i'm saying when you shut this down it's really destructive and i don't understand i don't understand why somebody in her position needs to be needs to be like that well i was i was tweeting about this like it's just another example of women's hockey players being ignored i joked about this with alish forfar who i uh co-host nhl chat room with and i was just like well you know it's it's so good that when you were playing you know women's hockey in university and in the cwhl that you were never in close contact with an opponent right they don't allow body

checking and women's hockey yeah and what's great is they never get anywhere near each other you know yeah i never seen a bike battle in that right no never never not once it's it's it is preposterous preposterous and it is uh complete posturing to be like well this isn't a negotiation and it's final and this is for the health of the it doesn't help anybody it's ridiculous it's a distraction at a time where we don't need it if we're going to protect these children look at it that way children there are 18 19 and 20 year olds in the ohl but the very few 15 to 16 to 17 year olds those are children if we're going to be serious about protecting them let's stop with the show let's stop with it with the side show that is taking

body checking out of it as if it's going to protect them from covid it's ridiculous um we can already look at what the qmjhl has done and i think that's such a much better jumping off point has this worked because they've played they've been playing but there have been entire teams that have been infected uh with covid so is it working can the ohl should the ohl risk going through something like that i'd be on the side of uh no an entire team of teenagers getting covid is probably bad um but i i guess what i'm saying is i'm not totally sure where the conversation should begin but like adam was saying there should be a conversation and um even though i can't offer a place where the conversation should begin i can tell you it shouldn't be

frigging body checking ridiculous we good let's do the press conference well said steven well said yeah fuck off just me just me yeah nobody else said anything no no this is the steve dangle podcast featuring steve dangle and steve dangle alone the views expressed on this podcast are steve dangles yeah retweets are all steve and he agrees with all the opinions including all that about like the french helping out the states and yeah oh yeah i said the book you wrote about your growing up in alberta brooks oh never forget it never forget it never forgot man i just i remember uh that was those were the times i'm gonna read a article for you guys from people magazine

okay it begins despite their efforts julianne huff and brooks life couldn't seem to make their marriage work god huff officially filed for a divorce from like on monday according to documents obtained by the blast five months after announcing their separation though they had continued working on the relationship post split a source tells people they were ultimately on different pages when it comes to their future who's the source i wonder they were trying to get their marriage to work for a long time says the source they both made many changes and compromised but it just wasn't enough it's nice that their agent wrote that for them they don't have the same vision for the future okay so last week last week e-news put out a freaking thing about how they were

reconciling this is such a joke i don't do do julianne huff and brooks likes people actually think that we're gonna be fooled into thinking that anyone cares about this like i know it was like i remember i was telling you like six months ago that we were like i was like this is a little weird they this this these guys you explain the backstory just a little just for anybody who doesn't know the context he's fired up about this for a reason yeah these guys and i get tagged in julianne huff and brooks like posts all the time by sdp listeners by the way never forget the thing brooks like former leaf former capital former king um brooks like and julianne huff are married good for you uh the uh um the the the thing is and brooks has got a podcast and with gavin

degras and it's what's it called jesse how men think yeah something like you got it can you bring it up because i want to read the bio please read the bio of this podcast you're going to cringe now they bro julianne is extremely talented she's an unbelievable dancer i believe she can sing quite well as well uh multi-talented dancing with the stars does tours with her brother derek my stepmom went to one of them at casino rama she said it was amazing i have the podcast here by the way what's that so yeah so they're extremely talented brooks extremely talented athlete they Mary, wow, what a gorgeous couple. And then we find out during the pandemic that there's a bunch of stories coming out about them before the pandemic starts. And then during the pandemic,

they're talking about how they're quarantining separately for months at a time. And all of these stories keep getting fed to these entertainment outlets. Now, here's the thing. If you're a celebrity, one of the hardest things to hang on to is being a celebrity. And if you are a BCD-less celebrity, you're over here. If you're watching on camera, you're like, can i just get my nose on screen because everybody wants the spotlight and these guys have never had a reality show although i know that they wanted one uh have never um never really what have they done together other than they got married dancing with the stars no they didn't but they didn't get married because of dancing with the stars she they were all she was ours right she was on it

sure but the the reality was they wanted to show these two and they kept feeding the press information about their relationship. And every week, every couple of days for a while there, you got a new story about them. And then last week it kicked off again with them. Well, maybe they're reconciling on then. Oh, Julianna's filed for divorce. Who do you think these sources are that are so interested in Brooks? Like, and Julianne Huff's relationship. Are you kidding me? Come on now. It's just, it's what it is. And I've heard from people in the, in the industry who dealt with brooks like when he was in toronto there's not favorable things to be said no that wants to be famous desperately there's nothing wrong with that but it's so

transparent you look desperate it's it's just sad and i just every time i see it i'm like do these guys think that people don't know and you read the comment section and all the people know everybody's like who the hell are these guys like it's you know it's not even you didn't you weren't even on the bachelor like you weren't you know like it's like so and so announced they're pregnant from season 18 of the bachelor i'm like i don't know who that is but bachelor nation knows who that is yeah right stands for the bachelor there's somebody from big brother i've never heard of them but big brother fans know who they are these guys have never been on a show together they've never done anything together he has a podcast she has been on dancing with the stars star and then a

hockey player but they're not together there is nothing there there's no magic there and now they're divorcing and that's a story can i tell you about how many entertainment side it drives me absolutely nuts sorry read the read the bio of gavin degras and brooks likes podcast just whose podcast gavin degras brooks like yeah they have a podcast together and they upload very frequently their most recent episode was november 2nd so monday more recently than ours so um i'll read you the bio here have you ever wondered what your husband is really thinking why does your boyfriend do that it's no secret that men don't often share their inner thoughts even with each other this podcast will literally serve as how men think as nhl great brooks like an award-winning

musician singer songwriter gavin degras and their panel of experts each of whom is in a different stage of their life, open up on their personal and often hysterical views on relationships, marriage, children, health, wellness, lifestyle, self-discovery, and the world. We are opening the mind of the man for you and revealing how men think in iHeartRadio podcast. You want hysterical. That was my rant beforehand. I'm hysterical. that's the emotional state i'm in you're watching like not yeah just just not in his not in like people think hysterical just means funny hysterics just means you're you're in a heightened state of emotion this this is i remember the last time we explained what hysterical means on the show i

threw my shoe at you do you right there you go it's it's it's crazy that this keeps happening stop guys go into the night get your divorce and go and figure out your careers like jesus like can you do anything privately man i just went through a divorce you didn't know it was happening it's done now like it's it's that can happen nobody needs to know i didn't need a source to talk about my relationship which turned out to be my agent feeding and now i'm far less famous than these guys are uh but oh don't tell yourself short well i mean maybe not maybe freaking not no nhl great brooks like according to his podcast they never sold out review cinema did they for free that's they never sold out a free show did they what men want podcast do review or or

what was the other one we did the um uh the downtown toronto and the roundhouse what was it the video game area oh rec room rec room yeah you didn't bring 500 people to the rec room but gavin degron brooks like for further nice people but it's just embarrassing it's not your watch no one cares man go get your divorce it's a it's a an extremely tough thing to get a divorce this isn't some whimsical lovely enjoyable experience it's awful it's awful and it's sad for both sides or it's a pr stunt or maybe it's a pr stunt and if it is shame on you for using a divorce as a pr stunt you asshole only if you're using it as a pr stunt like come on oh jesus adam i love fired up adam i hate it and as long as we're being mean for no reason

no yeah you're being a bully any show about like hey here's how men think i'm just like i will never listen to that no hasn't that been every show for the last 80 years it's sort of like amount of there's no there's a lot of there's just not enough on how much society doesn't need is more men sharing their opinions no yeah they already got us you got a lot of mom stuff too there's a lot of here's how to be a dude and here's how to be a woman and it's just people sawing open their audience's head and taking a shit on top of their brain like it is the most poisonous ridiculous bullshit in the entire world i have not listened to one episode of this they might be right on everything but generally speaking oh my god it's the worst thing in the

entire world for you now talking about stories and shooting the shit i can get behind that but don't don't then be like these stories are now how to be a man yeah yeah exactly yeah and and don't market it to women as though this is how all men think because you are not mel gibson from the movie with mel gibson they're targeting women with a show like that do you think men need to know how men think men know how men think that podcast isn't geared towards men it's not having a gra and brooks like yeah okay neat this is this is way more time than i thought we would dedicate to this well i love fired up adam well it's just like listen every celebrity does this to an extent but they're celebrities like you do know what i mean that means that these guys are

not celebrities on that level and stop pretending we all need to stop pretending stop trying to make brooks like and julianne huff happen they're not fetched it's not gonna happen that's what i'm saying okay they're great they're talented on their own have your divorce work on your career stop drumming up fake shit that people you think people want to read and stop having your agent write shit as a source about your your relationship what a load of shit that is as though tms he's gonna send a reporter to try to get the inside track on julianne huff and brooks like give me a break give me a break and again i sure they're nice people i just don't think like tmc doesn't care e-news doesn't care they don't care it's like oh you fed me this story sure we'll throw

it up on the side see how it does they're not gonna send a reporter they're not gonna have sources the kardashians they're gonna try to have some sources not these guys sorry very different levels you're going so nuts that i could see you go nuts in the reflection in the picture behind me no it's very distracted anyway i'll leave it i'll leave it at that was i too mean i don't want to be mean it's just sort of like come on guys i don't think anybody's gonna disagree with you and if they well brooks like and julianne huff might and maybe i'll show up in their next story they'll say should we podcast host goes after them and it's unfair and mean and i can't wait to show up on e-news with them should we bring brooks like on this podcast yeah sure what the

fuck why not no no i want to know how men think steve i'll have him on i actually just had a feeling like when i bite into a pepper like i just oh no i'd like to ask him why he's doing this i would love to ask him why are you doing this man so what are you doing yeah in a friendly enough manner but it's like dude we know what you're doing it's pretty transparent why why are we doing this what's the end game here is that if you guys are breaking up why do you keep releasing shit about your relationship because are you going to end up together or not and if you are what are you guys doing together if you're in a an entity that you want the public to be interested in are you going to do a show you are so adam you're so much more fired up about the story

than you need to be i just see it in my shit well you know what it is too it's it's podcast listeners tagging me in their shit all the time i can't get away i mean i get tagged in like i get tagged in game seven content daily oh my god well can i end the show with one thing about our listeners who we love the listeners of the podcast right now if you've uh stayed in this long i need your help and uh children need your help okay on the top of my twitter at jesse blake there's a pin tweet where you can donate to easter seals ontario uh we got about what is it 10 days left until when the tournament would have happened, the Eric Lindros Celebrity Classic that we play in every year.

And this year I'm trying to raise $2,020 because 2020 has been 2020. So if you can help me reach that goal, I've just kind of started campaigning over the weekend. So I'm going to try and do it in two weeks, try and raise 2020. So if you can go there and help, if you can, send some money towards Easter Seals, that would be great. Steve also has a campaign going. Adam, I believe you also got a campaign going.

I do. I'm going to pin mine at the top of my page tonight as well. I need some donations because I am desperately behind. So, yes. But that's what I did last year, too. There you go. If we could all get some money towards Easterseals, that would be a big help. They need it now more than ever. Help push us

over the top. Rachel's Raiders are sitting at $29,258.20. Get us over $30,000 and then help Jesse hit his goal of $2,020. also worth noting and i pin this to uh my twitter i'm auctioning off a bunch of my jerseys um some of them say dangle on the back there's a stam coast one in there there's a uh limited edition

kyle lowry jersey from eashl that they released last year there's less than 50 of these jerseys in the world um and it's currently going for what's the bid at set 380 um which for a jersey that you cannot get anywhere else uh is a steal there's also a frosted flakes jersey that is signed by wendell clark uh that you can get and that one's that one's going for like 60 bucks right now if you know someone who's a huge wendell clark fan christmas is right around the corner i'm also auctioning something off if you donate three thousand dollars i will send you a picture of steve dangle nude with a pepper in front of his junk wow oh there you go that's the cost three Are you making that on your own computer?

No, he sent me the photo. He sent me the photo. I have the photo. I'm going to send it out for $3,000. What kind of pepper are we talking here, Jesse? It was a bell pepper. Oh, it was a bell pepper. All right. Big one. If you'd said Shishito, I would have been like, cool.

You see, because oh, Adam, because it's tiny. Do you get it? You get it because you get it. And I'm going to be posting uh more jerseys soon i don't have any more dangle jerseys to sell but i do have some cool ones um listen every dollar counts um easter seal everyone's been hit hard uh by covid uh easter seals has been hit hard they're no different um but uh the need doesn't go away so let's raise

some gosh darn money gosh that's right uh sorry he was harsh language so we are just a programming note as well we're taking next week off uh so we will be back on the 18th of november we do have some more surprises that we are working on for guests we're very excited for uh what november december look like and it's weird because there's no hockey but uh the show is going to be like we are in the off season normally interesting in the other way uh we love doing these interviews and we're going to be doing more of them so look out for that and obviously as hockey starts to pick back up again so will we and help us out we want to upload some classic clips i have some in mind but uh give us a hand uh time code would certainly help um but even if you just give us an idea of

what the bit is and then you can all comment underneath and do some sort of detective oh it was this episode uh so yeah help us out with that so we can make the content that you want and also i believe our first video was 2016 already that long ago oh my god jesse used to record like 10 minutes of the show that was the sasuke podcast right no i don't think so or one of them i don't No, it was in Rogers. It was at Rogers in the backup studio on the fifth floor. Yeah, it was definitely, it wasn't until we were in the building.

OG studio. Yeah, it wasn't at Adam's place. I think when our partnership with 590 started, I believe, but that was 2016. Can you believe that? It was a long time ago, man. Matthew's first year. Just throwing that out there.

That's how long we've been doing YouTube videos. So listen, thank you so much for listening. We'll see you on the 18th. We're available on Twitter. We will continue to throw out content every single day. Give us some of your greatest clip ideas As Steve said, donate to Easter Seals because it's a good cause and you're a good person if you can.

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