The Steve Dangle Podcast - Howling | February 21, 2022

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, 00:00 revisiting the Matthews vs McDavid argument  09:00 The Winnipeg Jets claim Adam Brooks off waivers from the Leafs 16:00 The Leafs trade Nick Ritchie to the Arizona Coyotes 41:00 Weird Chel things and amazing athletes  53:00 Bobby Hull is no longer a Blackhawks ambassador  1:02:00 New Leaf jersey ideas  1:10:00 Check out the CJ Show and checking in on a donut bet Originally aired: February 21, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/aFe4R_qvhhA Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://magicspoon.com/sdp http://edmunds.com/ https://linkedin.com/sdp https://hellofresh.com/sdp16 https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Heck of a weekend in my mentions. As your friend, you did that to yourself. You think so? Yeah, like you volunteered. I'm going to talk about this on the show. and i'm like okay because like we both genuinely thought that thing right and now here you are with the shirt that matches your bubblykin well okay so if you missed the last episode what i said was i thought that overall right now right now right now austin matthews is the better player than

conor mcdavid and it was it was a great experiment um like no one no one listened what do you mean Adam, I thought we had a great conversation that no one listened to. Okay, so what makes you say that? People kept being like, well, over their career, automatically you're disqualified from the conversation. Disqualified. Yeah, if you start there, that's not my argument. Start there, our conversation had nothing to do with their entire careers. Yes.

Well, over the whole season, disqualified. Had nothing to do with the entire season. Dumb. not hard now the thing that people were most upset about most upset about was so you're from toronto no it was something that jesse said yeah which is leon dry saddle is good at defense yeah so what the hell turned into this narrative where leon dry saddle is the worst defensive player in the nhl right now well that's if your fancy stats say that your stats are wrong i don't know i don't You can't tell me he's the worst player in the NHL at playing defense.

That doesn't make sense. I think it's McDavid, actually, isn't it? No, Leon Dreisand. By the Dom Lachishian card, on defense, McDavid's a minus 1-7. Leon is a minus 4-4. So what I saw from the numbers guys, from the calculator boys, is that they ranked like 327 players in defense and leon and mcdavid were like 325 and 323 wow that's that doesn't make sense is jesse is just is there not is there not nuance to playing

defense that you can't qualify if the best player in hockey is your worst is the worst player in your model that doesn't come but but maybe he's not a good defense jesse that's all at all every single player in the nhl is better at defense than connor mcdavid i'm saying that he said leon drysaddle not connor mcdavid no sorry leon drysaddle yes and i'm saying that sentence and they're like yeah that's true well doesn't that sound like hyperbole tell me that doesn't sound like hyperbole it's a little hyperbole i'd like to have dom on because he's not dumb obviously see like because don't decision i know he's really dumb he's not no i because i look at that information and i go oh well this is useful yes because it shows he's playing one way right if you

told dry saddle to play a little differently or if his team wasn't always oh i don't know playing from behind i imagine they would play a little differently oh steve what was that a little nuance to the numbers that's all I'm asking don't present numbers and then say oh he's ranked 323 in this model that means he's 323 bad I think we're wasting our time with this show

each show should be 8 seconds and 280 characters that's right that's it nice and easy for everyone to watch if you watch tiktok also let me throw this at you we gotta stop not McLeifer sent me this he's like this is from Jack Hahn and Jay Fresh's

shared chapter in hockey tactics they said mcdavid and dry saddle are horrible defensively and not just very not good not just yeah it's not a strength of theirs for sure they are two of the worst defensive players in the entire league and they said let's try that whole ranking thing again but using defensive stats this time and i guess they ranked it since 1718 and out of 379 sorry 97 forwards this is who played over a thousand minutes uh over those three seasons they rank 391st in goals against per 60 397th out of 380 in expected goals

against per 60 and it goes on and on and on and so I mean listen when we talked about this with Ovechkin remember when Jeremy Roenick said Ovechkin needs to be I think it was Roenick or Milbury that said he needed to be a student of the game I think it was Milbury

he's too focused on goal scoring and we're like that's complete bullshit like are you kidding me and also I think the biggest lie we've told ourselves as hockey fans is that he changed No. No, he's super good. Ovi?

No, he's just been, he continued to do Ovi, but he won a cup, so people laid off. Yeah. Ovi makes score. Hello. Yes. And he might beat Gretzky, which is the thing. Might?

Like, might beat Gretzky goal record. He's on track to. So my thinking in saying all this is, I think overall, Austin Matthews is a better player in all facets of the game. Did I say McDavid wasn't the more talented player naturally? No. Did I say that McDavid hasn't had a better career

than matthews no you're qualifying all these things that we qualified in the clip you already said this and nobody listened like i don't know i don't know you gotta i think we don't make people fill out a form to comment but you know what it is just ignore them i think people need to realize that the race for top player in the nhl is not as far away as you think it is everybody looks at it like it's connor and well leon's at the bottom of the hill and the rest of them come after you know the stuff that you fell out to so that you show that you're not a robot yeah and it's like how many of these pictures contain a plane it's okay how many of these things are things adam said and you have to click on them it's okay prove you're not a child okay so adam said this this shit i

don't get to comment like when you're logging into gmail it's like uh pick the pick only the squares that have the road signs yeah and you're like does that have a road sign in i don't know adam McDavid sucks click fuck gotta start again well yeah yeah I'll have to leave a shithead comment on something else anyway it's been a it's been a fun weekend just reading

the mentions I just kind of left it alone but even by Dom's charts they are point one away from each other Matthews and McDavid McDavid by a slight edge and that's over the course of the entire season and here's the other thing producer drew reached out about this he's like I'm not really sure what this he was on a bit of a tear this weekend I'm not sure if somebody

He got upset because I posted the charts, and actually one of them was like 30 days out of date. So what does the chart mean? The Dom, you know, the Dom decision chart. What does it mean? The hockey card thing. What's the nuance to the chart? Thrap him.

You can't give me a number and not give me any nuance. So basically, they've got these charts by which they evaluate a player with the athletic. And Connor McDavid is obviously at the top. sure but he has fallen 0.1 and matthews is up 0.1 so now mcdavid mcdavid the overall mcdavid was at 6.0 now he's at 5.9 matthews at 5.8 and so that's so stupid good it's insane he's worth is this six more wins so is it a war chart yeah it's it's it's basically your your wins you like how many wins you're worth yeah per season yeah wins above and and uh anyway long story short producer drew's like well i don't i don't understand what this proves and i and i'm

thinking i'm like drew do you do you remember the start connor mcdavid and leon dry sidle had and you remember the start the leafs had the least were pretty ho-hum first 10 games matthews pretty ho-hum the first 10 games wasn't great he struggled he struggled mcdavid and and leon dry sidle were otherworldly the fact that matthews is even in this conversation just shows you how fucking good he's been since then it's crazy like people forget that the like people were talking in edmonton like dave tippett was going to win the jack adams it was the first 15 16 games for the oilers they were unbeatable sorry yeah unbeatable they were uh they couldn't lose the the the worst or the scariest story about that team is weren't they down 5-1 to the rangers and then went 7-5

or something but they scored to make it 5-2 and dry sidle allegedly said to one of the rangers players here we come that's terrifying that is he's halloween zombie frankenstein monster talk the worst defensive player ever to play hockey ever in the history he said that he's you know who's better travis dermot in a spinorama whoa better better defensively you know mark shifley now there's a there's not a great defensive player so we never got to talk about adam brooks and the Jets because that happened after the show but do you think they did that for revenge no I think

they did that so apparently he's skating with Connor and Dubois that's cool which so he's a useful player I don't understand why they didn't but they passed on the first I think in between the Leafs claiming him and the Jets claiming him they played a game and two guys got hurt

I don't know who those two guys were that makes sense but no it's and immediately I saw that he's with um uh kyle connor kyle connor and uh pierre luke dubois and i'm like dude he's gonna do well like he's gonna throw off a bunch of points and it's gonna be another mason marchman thing where people go ah dubas you freaking idiot but like he's to me he's a solid player he's your classic ahl tweener who can generate offense fine totally fine and you put him with an elite goal

scorer, and Pierre-Luc Dubois, who's actually had a really good season. Yeah. I think he would have to play the worst hockey of his career to screw that up. He's going to be good. They haven't waived him, have they? I think they will. Again. Yeah, when guys get hurt, I think they will.

And he's back to the Leafs! He's potentially back to the Leafs. Could still get him for the playoffs. You could. Hashtag Clayne Brooks. Everyone's thinking about the cap implications and everything, and I'm like, where does he travel?

like during those four days he has to report doesn't he i don't think and he was skating with the marlies from what i heard what was yeah i don't was he not i don't know well because think like traveling from vegas to toronto like that's a day that's your day yeah the entire day like because it's it's like a five six hour flight plus you're losing three hours so then there's you got to go to winnipeg and i don't know i'd like did he have to travel is what i want to know because sometimes the team will just tell you allison stay put i think you have to report i think you physically have to report well like lilligren when he got sent down for a day the other day did he have to go you yeah i actually think you do that's actually you don't

have to report in person like you don't have to high five and swipe you used to have to you actually used to have to i don't think you have to do that anymore well maybe not with Because you can do paper transactions, and they can just have it go through the NHL office. If it's a trade-through, but I feel like if you're property of the Maple Leafs, I think you still have to come in and report. Okay, let's say the Leafs have two games in three days, one against Vegas, one against Arizona, so they're all the way out there. And as a paper transaction, they've got to send down Sandin for one game.

Like they're doing with Lilligren. Then call him back up. Is Sandin going from Vegas to Toronto to Arizona? I think I got it for you guys. All right, he's got it. On Wednesday, this is from the Winnipeg Sun, Scott Billick wrote an article on Adam Brooks. On Wednesday, the Vegas Golden Knights placed Brooks on waivers. He headed to Colorado to meet up with Henderson Silver Knights, Vegas' AHL affiliate, in the midst of an extended road trip.

By Thursday, Brooks was on a plane back to Vegas after the Toronto Maple Leafs, who drafted Brooks 92nd overall, claimed him. by thursday night so he's going the wrong way and with the leafs now trying to sneak brooks through waivers assign him to ahls toronto marlies uh perhaps it was just intuition brooks didn't unpack his bags the decision saved himself some time on friday when winnipeg jets put through a successful claim uh sending him home and then he said uh and he's from winnipeg yeah so he goes back home so that's that was the travel schedule so i guess he did fly in i think yeah he heads to and he heads to winnipeg at least toronto to winnipeg's not so bad but still it's still i love how it's the next province over and it's like a two and a half hour flight or something like

that um i uh yeah i felt bad for him um i i want to uh i guess you know the thing we could talk about the game but i think you handled that pretty well in your lfr i mean it was one of those games where it felt like good teams play good play each other and one's going to lose they they struggle against teams that play the way st louis plays but overall they did fine and remember two of those goals are empty netters right so uh at least one of them yeah no uh i think it was just the six was it i thought it was five six no okay so here's what happened we the started the game really well last week we had nightmare technical on your stream with the stream yeah and this week it was good but it got worse as the game went and we missed one of the goals no i think it was the

five three one so i didn't actually see jesus wow i it's very frustrating but we're getting the hang of it okay yeah all right you'll get there yep um well i uh i i kind of i thought i looked at that game and like i don't i don't feel like there's any reason to freak out on something like that you know what i mean like it sort of just doesn't feel like the leafs handled it worse than i did yeah the leafs made a trade yeah they had made that trade before the game started guys yeah but labushkin had been scratched they were there tell tell everybody about the jack campbell trade so jack campbell became a leaf after the leafs had a terrible game well actually no it was a good game against the new york rangers in which michael hutchinson was terrible but

hutchinson was terrible prior to that you know what i mean yeah lilligren was one of many leafs defensemen who i thought got eaten alive in their own end uh against the st louis blues and then they make a trade for a defenseman after that but they had been brutal in their own end before that you know what i mean so to me i saw sheldon keith losing his cool behind the bench and i think it was probably based off of previous fiery conversations with kyle dubas that helped facilitate this trade a trade that rules by the way so we'll we'll get into that in a second that's really really interesting that you think that i i to me i felt like that trade was on the way like oh yeah they were talking about on hawk night in canada like this was done yeah they didn't

do the trade at that moment like that doesn't make sense they they were working on the trade obviously but it was it was reported by freege while it was reported by freege at second intermission while the game was tied yeah three so it's not like dubas is right and like getting on the phone right that's not what we're trying to say yeah but no the idea is we saw saturday night the leaf struggled defensively again and dubas kind of hit the button and said okay just complete the deal it sounds like i'm repeating myself it's because the same thing has been true for a long time just ask kyle dubas who addressed the thing that i mentioned the telling thing i thought was um uh after the game they asked keep about uh jack campbell's performance and he said

we didn't play good enough for him to be good and i thought that was interesting because i think what he's talking about is structural breakdowns some of those goals uh you just feel like man uh uh like alan likes to chide me whenever one of his clients scores on uh on the leafs oh so we're broad scored can the kings call up martin firk already alan is just inundating my twitter timeline with martin firk ahl goals can you freaking call up martin firk um i i uh i just feel like there's when the goals went in there were times where you're like i don't know like Like, there was one goal with Muzzin and Lilligren where I'm like, neither of these men has their man. And I think that was goal two or three.

And you're kind of thinking, like, they're good until they're not. And then they completely sometimes fall apart. And you're going, what the hell is going on? I don't remember if it was the third goal or the game winner. I think it was the game winner where Lilligren has no one. Like, he's just, bless him, he's trying. But he's useless in that situation. He's got no one.

And Campbell kicks out a rebound. and Mrazek had a goal off of a rebound recently where I think we can all agree it was terrible. He kicks it straight out. You can't do that. Campbell kicked it out angled enough where I'm like, that should be a crisis that his team helps him out with.

There's got to be rebounds, for God's sake. Yeah. You know? Oh, that's all it takes to shoot it at the goalie's pads. Automatic goal. No. No. if someone is doing anything if they end up picking the wrong guy so be it that's the forwards problem

for leaving you in a situation where you're outnumbered which by the way the blues did an unreal job of against the leafs most of their goals were leafs attack turn it over blues head the other way it's a three or four on two you're done um lilligran had no one yeah and i also want to shout out before we go on this one. A couple things. First off, Jordan Cairo, again, always makes something happen. Always, always. Never dropping him. Jesse,

your Huso pick earlier this year. Oh, yeah. That was a while ago, too. Yeah, yeah. He's kept it up. What are they going to do with... What is he? 8-0 and 2 in his last 10? Something like that. I think it's better than that. On the season, I think he's 12-3 and 2. Well, and it's just... It's going to be interesting

this offseason because there's going to be teams looking for goaltending. You wonder... binnington bitter bitter's gotta go obviously if huso's gonna play that well you can't have six million bucks tied up on on a goalie that's sitting on the bench ben edmonton i like the that's a bit the joy the joy joy and binnington do i look joyful do i look i think we landed on that st louis just runs with this because they're playing too well and it's an off-season problem sure it's so funny that they could win a stanley cup with binnington as their backup yeah like just we could have said that about the uh 18 17 18 uh pittsburgh penguins

it's so funny flurry matt murray all over again yeah what the fuck yeah um so let's talk about the nick ritchie trade okay there's a couple of there's a lot of angles here is that what it's called with the trade see i've been wondering like is it the nick ritchie trade well to us it is because the the question was how did the leafs drop this contract right that was the you know And if you look at who they brought in the offseason, it was Richie, Kasha, Bunting, and why can't I think of the fourth one? A bunch. Well, no, but there was like those four. Richie, Bunting, Kasha.

Count, Hosang. Kampf. Kampf. Three out of four of those. Hosang. Three out of four of those is good, right? You can, if you're batting 750, you're laughing. You know what?

Not just good. Great. Three of the four are great. Yeah. and they're legitimately valuable pieces that have contributed every game the problem is that ritchie's was the most expensive one and it was two years right and he's the one who got the best start on the top line he was supposed to be that they set him up slot yeah like if he was going to succeed it had to be they give him every opportunity and he didn't take it there was a lot of jimmy vc

there like expensive you're just kind of vanilla well it wasn't not even that like they put him in a position to succeed um i remember vc i think he got a goal in his first game and i was like check we just wanted 15 from him we just wanted 15 goals oh oh jesus a dozen 10 anything and uh no it just didn't work it didn't work they gave richie chances man so here's the the deal as it breaks out is is um uh the conditional draft pick it's either choice of toronto's 2022 third or it's 2025 second 2023 third sorry 2023 don't read the full trade here yeah sure i yeah okay I just can't read, apparently. Adam, go ahead.

Jesse, go ahead. The Arizona Coyotes acquire Nick Ritchie, a 2025 second-round pick, which is conditional. The conditions on that pick are Arizona has the option to exchange the pick for Toronto's 2023 third-round pick. The Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Ryan Dezingle and Ilya Labushkin. Now, Dezingle is on waivers. And we're not going to know until the show's done. Yeah.

If he clears. I think he will. I think he clears in his yeah and it is why he's he's got a like a 1.3 million dollar cap hit or 135 or something 1.7 oh it's LaBushkin's got the 135 yeah but and like a track record of scoring 20 plus goals but he's got seven points in 26 games yeah 1.1 he's usually good on bad teams yeah it's kind of tough yeah and I guess his his uh his skating skating's regressed he's gotten a bit older the thing is is that now though he has positive defensive impacts he has changed his game. Because before, he

was known as a bit of a liability defensively and a goal scorer, right? Torch didn't like him. Back-to-back 20-goal seasons. Way back when with the Ottawa Senators. So, Labushkin is the interesting part of this. Because Dezingle, I think, is going to report to the Marlies, assuming he doesn't get claimed. Labushkin is a...

Brings you absolutely nothing on offense. Nope. Like, zero. 19 points in 180 games. One goal. Yeah. So, nothing. That's all right. He's 6'2", he shoots right, he kills penalties, and he throws hits, and he can play more than 18 minutes a night.

Oh, man. It's, man, I don't know. I think the Leafs need more offense, though. Is that what people said? Yeah. They've got a lot of offense. No one said that. I'm like, what?

No way. I thought most of the reaction to this trade was pretty logical. Like, okay, good that they got him. No offense. None whatsoever. good defensively and big now what's next so you think this is setting up for another piece because the salaries match right the salaries match uh for now and by the way so when i first saw this deal it was like what is arizona thinking he makes 3.3 next year this doesn't make any sense

they're probably unless richie goes bananas uh and they can flip them for something else they're probably going to buy him out and they're going to save money uh they essentially bought a third or a second for 1.4 right mill which you know whatever it serves their purposes um but the leafs addressed a need on defense to zingle blah blah blah blah blah like i think he was just there to make the money work and they dumped richie's contract without any salary re-retention now people are saying it's expensive way to dump a contract because the draft pick no a second like 20 years from now yeah so this is why this is my question is it is it an expensive way or is it an all right way so because there's a lot like again drew first off producer drew mr

uh like sun media over here uh drop in fucking he's like all the fans will love this guy and he plays literally the worst clip of labushkin's career and puts it on his twitter it was in a dang it of well it was Vimelka's fault it was it was him giving the puck away I think it's a bad correctly it was a bad giveaway from either

Vimelka or Labushkin this season yes yeah okay he's like oh I love this and then he's and then he was criticizing Dubas who by the way was almost his favorite team's general manager for for saying

well that was a really expensive way to get rid of a contract no I so tell there are people saying it so let's just address that yeah sure so first of all it's a third round pick next draft or a second and i will admit a second is a lot to give up four drafts

from now there is a world where the leafs do really poorly four years from now and that pick is 33rd overall which is now the first pick of the second round at that point it might be 36 or 37th overall because we have a new team. Yeah, still nothing in Quebec, but Arizona has a second hockey team. Yeah, oh yeah. That'll show us. We're going to play at ASU and Gila. We're back at Gila. We got Glendale

and Phoenix. So in four drafts from now, the Arizona Coyotes might have the Leafs second rounder and an NHL building to play in. Maybe. Maybe. It's true. And by the way, that second round pick is 2025 and then three years down the road you expect it to play.

Right. So we're talking like 2028 2029 when you expect this player to hit the nhl guys that's dubas won't be the general manager of the leafs no dubas will be in his 40s it went when this so will we so will we yeah so will we jesse won't jesse won't no not yet i don't even think you're in your 30s yet not yet no yeah just a dick like this guy the guys guys like listen i get being grumpy i get grumpy about this team oh boy you really got to go out of your way for this one it's a good trade it's a they here's the way i put it so i was talking to myrtle and he goes oh well this could help the leafs re-sign jack campbell and he's right but here's another way to look at it morgan

riley makes five million dollars next year oh he's making 7.5 guess what there's richie there's the Rays. Done. The Rays for next year is covered like that. Dezingle and Labushkin could play zero games for the Toronto Maple Leafs. This is a good deal. But here's the thing. They're going to play games for the Leafs.

Labushkin has a chance to help fix a problem they've had forever. And they save 2.5 in the cap next year. That's ridiculous. And Kessel's number comes off the books. 1.2. So that's 3.7.

which is which is what way more than they've had the last few off seasons to spend you really gotta go out of your way to hate this one guys so so the bush getting himself because a lot of people don't know who the hell this guy is and it's fair like he's a boring defenseman that you don't notice like a second or third pair defenseman on the worst team in the league he didn't grow up in north america like he didn't play here in his junior years he's bought out from russia so like yeah he's foreign so so what is he where does he slot it uh Ideally, I think third pair, playing with Rasmus Sandin, Sandin gets to carry the puck to his heart's content, as he should, create lots of offense, and he should be able to pinch to his heart's content, while Labushkin stands back there and is big and tall. And that is it.

And moves people from the net. Does he have a nasty streak? I don't know. They call him the Russian bear. okay so listen i'm not going to pretend to be an ilia labushkin expert either but i do know he has he does have weaknesses uh for example i saw in his charts he's apparently not the greatest at defending the rush the leafs a big lumbering guy not good on the rush yeah i know the leafs generally have been improving in that regard i don't know what the numbers are there but just

from watching them they're they're to me their biggest flaw is the front of their net it's open season it's completely open season and there was there was there was a play recently Sandin who's a tough nut like I do like him but he was so mismatched in terms of size with the person he was battling in front and I'm sorry they need some they need some size uh Muzzin we know will move people Justin Hall who I think can play but you can't put him in that role he's big for nothing he's big for because he's six two as well but he's just not he's big and he's thick yeah big for nothing he's not he doesn't have that mean streak no you never see justin hall mixing it up and here's the thing it is february 21st the trade deadline is a month from now yeah

it's so long i was surprised that uh the trade started turning out there's time ilia labushkin is about to get a month-long audition and by the playoffs he may not even be in the lineup and all of a sudden if he's your seventh i don't hate that who are the two guys who take over the leafs have assets they can move you can't tell me there's no takers out there for travis dermott no one's gonna take a flyer on like a 24 year old defenseman with making 700 grand who can play both i don't think the leafs are gonna that's the move they're looking at no but they could right kyle dubas after the game he had like a 10 minute press conference it auto played after the LFR. It was very nice for my

viewing. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, so I watched that through and he essentially said, I'm going to paraphrase, but he said, it's best man up. It's whoever wins this job over the next little bit heading towards the playoffs and the trade deadline, that's who gets the role here. He says, I got an abundance of defensemen and whoever plays the best gets the job.

Isn't that the best though? Yeah. Isn't that what you want? Yeah. You don't have guys playing because they have to because their contract's so fat? They freed up cap next year. They added to the roster without giving up anything off of it. guys i'm not seeing the downside here i'm not so much listen could it go wrong of course any trade could go wrong you could trade wayne gretzky for some you know seventh rounder and you hit on

the seventh rounder and they break all of his records i don't know the gretzky trade to st louis didn't go well for la no every like so much would have to go wrong there are so many layers of wrong that would have to happen here for this to be a net negative for the leafs should they be done no right obviously not they can't you can't make another trade in a trade you know what i mean no you're you're asking well no they still need a second pair of guys well yeah i agree they didn't do that with this one they did stuff that will help facilitate imagine if the leafs went around and anybody's stressed about a second round pick 40 years from now guys like come on i can't even I can't psych myself up to get upset about that.

Oh, no. By the way, the Wink-Etsky trade to the St. Louis Blues. I just want to throw this at you. Can you name one player who went to Los Angeles? Name one. Name one fucking player. Kyle Clifford. Not Kyle Clifford.

I did the trade tree for this, too. Oh, my God. That's how bad it is. I did the trade tree, and I don't remember. Bad trade for the Kings. Oh, there's a dude. That's Laverata? Is he in it?

no you did the trade and i don't remember dude it's a terrible it's it's really bad trade because i want to say there's like two there's like a former first rounder and a first rounder and basically they did get a bunch of futures they hit on nothing so i'll let me read that yeah you're ready so the wayne gretzky trade at the deadline la to st louis in 1996 forwards craig johnson Craig Johnson, American Heist hockey player, second-round pick of the Blues in 1990, career-high 38 points for the LA Kings the next season. That's the best it got.

Then Roman Vopat. That's who I was thinking of. I knew it started with a V. He was a seventh-rounder. His career-high in points was nine. And then they also got a first-round pick, which is Matt Zoltik. Matt.

Oh, yes. I remember spending a bunch of time on him. Matt Zoltik did not play in the NHL. No, he didn't. And a fifth round pick, Peter Hogan. I remembered zero of those names. My thing is trade trees and remembering names. Peter Hogan also never played in the NHL.

It's a hunk of shit trade. It's a terrible trade. It's really bad. That's one of the worst trades in NHL history right there. No one talks about that among the worst trades in history, but that's got to be up there. Best player in history For nothing

That's worse than the Raptors What they got for Vince Carter That's why the McDavid deal won't be that crazy You know When McDavid's eventually move Think how much better they'll get defensively Yeah You know someone's gonna

Think how much better the Oilers Would get defensively According to the charts Anybody in the NHL playing For the Oilers would be better defensively Well, Bushkin would be better at center than Connor McDavid on defense. Your team will improve if you don't play Connor McDavid. That's what the chart says.

I do think that context is key with those charts. No, no, don't give any context with your numbers. Adam, point them out. Am I being serious or deliberately misunderstanding the point because it's funny? We'll never know. Yo, you know what's shocking about that, too, is the amount of people who deliberately misunderstand something just so they can be mad at you.

Oh, yeah. It's shocking. Oh, yeah. It's mind-blowing. By the way, Edmonton, don't worry. Conor's still the best player on earth I'm just saying right now He's not okay fair enough I also like the people who are just

So mad that they take runs at the players Like there's a whole bunch of people just making fun of Matthews for running into the post I was like oh You're just here to take digs at professional Athletes because you're upset yeah I thought I actually thought his response that was funny So good I just felt like I'd put my face Through the post yeah you know I just see what

Happens I thought his lips are huge By the way I know yeah it really Uh god it looks so painful and he was saying how he's having trouble eating but i thought when i saw the first blues goal um because it was they sort of caught all three members of the top line deep and i was like oh well those fans are going to jump all over matthews for this one because it's bad defense nothing nothing that that would require like watching the game and understanding where the position Everybody should be in position and seeing that defensive play

and how Matthews wasn't back and getting his man. Like that would require a lot of thinking. We're dedicating way too much energy towards this. Yeah, nobody's doing thinking. Bill Armstrong, by the way, has done a very interesting job of rebuilding what the Coyotes lost in the shake-a-shake-down, as we should have called it. It should have been called the shake-a-shake-down.

The shake-a-shake. um it it should have been they should serve that at wendy's he's a board member of the shake a shake oh my god that would sell so poorly so no my thinking here is like look at so here's what here's what they've done have you do you see it you have the yeah we have the uh cap friendly you have it up no no so i'm i'm looking at this jesse's showing me all their picks and it looks like a wordle it does they have so many so here's the thing um they've got over 10 picks in the last little bit here. Montreal or Carolina's first, Colorado's first, San Jose's second, New York Islander's second, Philadelphia's second, Vancouver's second,

and that's just this year. And then in 2024, Florida's second, Montreal's second, Toronto's 2025th, or their third in 2023. They got a conditional pick from the Islanders and from Colorado, San Jose, St. Louis, Vancouver. And you know what's going to be interesting with the Coyotes too? And I know we've all taken our shots about the Arizona State University thing. we did sort of mention on the show that it will be a very cool place to watch hockey and i heard from a couple of students that are going to asu this year and they're like we're really excited sure the one thing though if you're going to capture that audience and this is what they need to do right make that place a party zone you've seen the ncaa you've seen what a party those games

are to go to make that place fun and make the team at least watchable they need to embrace the students though because one thing that we uh sort of read might happen as well there's not many seats okay seats will be expensive you can't do that to students no why would they do that because they need to pretend like they're a professional sports team and try to generate they want to have a future you asking the nhl to make something fun that makes me laugh i'm sorry this won't maybe that was stupid i have no faith that it'll be fun they're gonna find a way to ruin the best atmosphere ever in pro sports can we go oh yeah i want to see this i would like to do an sdpn trip and they're gonna ruin it and we'll get booed uh the one thing i want we'll get

why would we get booed because we're gonna go to the leafs game we're gonna wear leafs oh okay okay i want to see so the coyotes have already made cap friendly.com do something i've never seen before where they had to stack their second round picks i don't think a team since the making of cap friendly has ever had five picks in one round didn't montreal have four they did have four they had four seconds the coyotes have five right now but cap friendly only shows picks for three years yeah yeah the least pick's not there yeah because because it's a 2025 they gotta figure out how to like code into the site i didn't even know you could trade beyond three years I thought it was illegal

I didn't know you could do it You should have asked the General manager who sits on this show Because as a GM I have traded picks well into the future Because you can do it in NHL 22 franchise It's a video game Yeah but it mirrors real life

Not necessarily Chicago's good In the same way Red Dead Redemption mirrors real life I set up the settings You can have assorted salted awful You can set the settings pre-franchise mode to be real life settings and that means everything needs to be

cap compliant. But by the books. Have you unlocked your second Blackberry Jesse? It's my question. No. That was previous games. I know. Remember that? That was a big deal. I could get two trades at once. Yeah. You get six Blackberries I think was the max? I think that was.

And they were, hey do you want to unlock six Blackberries so you can get offered more bad trades? Yeah. The trades are always so bad. We would like your second line center for a sixth please it was never worth it florida it's always florida i sorry jesse you were saying oh no i'm just saying i knew that because of the game my favorite video games are awesome my favorite thing oh yeah my favorite thing that steve ever did what he ranted about this one like our first season on the podcast and he made me mad because

you spent all that time in the minors you did a junior full time so you're talking about be a pro yeah be a pro spends all his time in junior lights it up gets drafted by the florida panthers first overall and they traded markstrom who had a huge potential at that point which rightfully so and they traded him for cal clutterbuck cal clutterbuck straight up so our starter was scott clemonson and as you as a defenseman you can imagine how upset that made me oh my god i honestly i when they made that trade i was like this i hate this and i lasted five games into the next season and i went enough what year nhl was this i think it was 13 or 14 yeah oh way back 14 i remember that was the last time i actually had time to play like a full season i played all 82 and i was the

or 60 something or whatever with the moose heads so i was with mckinnon and drew in you were yeah yeah basically the worst defensive player in the league but a net positive 100 goals 75 assists I remember the numbers being so even I was like ooh that's so refreshing to look at Dash two When you get the six game The nine game tryout or whatever With your NHL team

You'll score like ten goals in two games And they'll send you down We'd like you to season your game It's so stupid I remember once too I didn't know that you had to turn the injury thing down So I remember one time I got drafted by the Blackhawks And like the first game I got a hernia

I was out for four months So I simmed up And then the next game i played through it scored three goals everything's going well the next game knee injury out for the season and you're like what the fuck is happening here i swear on everything that this is true i'm almost positive it was november uh november nhl 2001 oh and nolan on the cover i played it so many seasons into the future that basically all my team was creative players that's cool but there was a young player still in the league named aki berg he was on another team

and he was out for because you could read other teams injury reports he was out for eight months with a ruptured testicle it was in the game i swear we should message rammer and see if that's actually true i assume that's very googleable no i i i did look that look it up and i'm pretty sure there is evidence of people going I saw a ruptured testicle too in the you can imagine how hard I laughed as a

12 year old? 11 year old? yeah 12, 13, something like that this is the height of comedy and the only thing that made me upset is I was home alone and no one to share it with and I couldn't take a picture with my phone just to be like check it out

it says testicle wow can't find it You're lying. Look up ruptured testicle, Jesse. I typed in ruptured testicle NHL. Nothing. You see the Finnish guy with a broken penis? Wow, dead silence after that, huh?

Fifth overall pick with a broken penis, by the way. What? He was a fifth overall pick. No, you're talking about the Olympians. I'm talking about the actual Olympian who had a frozen penis. Oh, yeah. I was watching that race. That was the one event I caught, honestly, was the cross country one.

And I'm like, do you ever watch the cross-country skiing and go, this sport looks like hell. Why does anyone do this? Yes. That's most Olympic sports. Especially the winter ones. Holy shit. Most Olympic sports are, where do you even begin to get good at this? True.

Yeah, I didn't get it. But anyway, it's impressive. And what I thought, I thought those guys would have super thick legs like the speed skaters. In fact, they're like Jesse. Just thin and lean. And 6'5". it's sinewy yes and six five and like they're when they like widen themselves to like push off you realize how like long they're just long they're like kevin durant you know like the

huge wingspan crazy no you can achieve anything is the uh myth that the olympics always dispels right yeah you can achieve anything if you're about six four yeah oh yeah i'm gonna compete with michael phelps who was shaped like a stingray he's literally shaped like a stingray And which part of his body that can extend an overly amount? What is this called? It's his lats. Yeah, they can go further than most humans. Like his lats paddle for him.

And he was born like that. I'm there. Size, trash can lid, feet. Oh, yeah. Kids, don't worry. You can do it too. I interviewed Penny Alexiak when she was 16. Also shaped like a stingray.

And Penny Alexiak was taller than me at 16. She's like 6'2". and she was so funny i was talking to him like you know talking about the beginning of her career i'm like this seems like it's wrong i said i i read that you didn't really start swimming until you were 12 or 13 and she's like yeah oh yeah she's the guy they just they pointed me i i guess a trainer said that person has a swimmer's body you should swim and she did and kicked everyone's ass and was like wow no it doesn't mean she didn't train hard but some people are just you know predisposed to it when i went to ryerson i remember the first like month i was on campus

they were recruiting people for the rowing team and a dude just walked up to me he's like please can you please join the rowing team because you could you're gonna be good at it because you have the body for it i was like no i'm not gonna do that but it was just the same philosophy they just you got recruited they spotted people on campus just anybody who looks like they have the just physical makeup to be good at rowing and they were trying to get them to join the team that's a different life adam and i were never recruited no like never recruited never hit on It's just, you know, a lot of stuff Jesse got that we didn't get. Yeah.

I think the funny thing is. No one went, hey, you look like you'd be good at sports. No one went, hey, you look like you'd be good. Yeah. At anything. Yeah. I didn't get you look smart either. No.

So it's just, hey, you're a student. I just wish Jesse had more team spirit, though. Think of where the Rams racing boat could have gone. Those Ryerson Rams could have had me. You could have been Cambridge versus Oxford. in the uk with a bunch of people with big hacks waving you on there was um reimer didn't play organized hockey until he was 12 yep i think there was a player in the whl who only had played roller hockey up until the age of 14 and he ended up playing in the dub do you remember joe mullen

he was yes he was the he was a he until recently top scoring american player ever yeah he didn't start playing hockey like strap on skates till he was 12 and he was so good but he played with yager and lemieux and francis and and and that he kind of got buried but he was incredible in pittsburgh and as canadians we should uh all be ashamed that we're forgetting this name i remember seeing a nfl interview recently uh they asked tyreek hill they're like have you ever lost a race and he's like oh yeah i lost a race they're like to who he goes uh this guy on i think he called him the wrong yeah uh but it was uh andre de grass because andre de grass was a basketball player and they're like you're not very good at this you should try running though and he's like

okay and he tried running in high school and now he's like the fastest man on the planet wow if you watch the scouting combines for the nfl and i did one year you see guys running like in in 10 seconds what they can run with 300 pounds on them it's like it's insane you should watch the defensive players who are 300 pounds running in a straight they they'd kick all of our asses i still um there's a great clip of a coach reacting to jadavian clowny's um combine okay he's just looking at him like what the fuck am i watching and i'm pretty sure it was a former nfl player who was watching him just like okay well i could never do that the nba all star weekend was this past weekend and on friday they had this celebrity game where they do the

celebrity basketball game which they should do for hockey like i don't know why the nhl doesn't have the uh the celebrity hockey game anyways but one of the i forget the defensive end who was playing in the in the uh nba celebrity game and he was dunking yeah and he's an offensive end he's probably i don't know 270 like only six feet or something but he got up for all of these dunks and it's unbelievable to see these skill on these athletes who have so much mass like you don't realize how big these football players are but also how explosive they are it's ridiculous crazy they did that race back in the day where it was like pele and gretzky and all that i want to see that i want to see the fastest soccer player fastest basketball player fastest nfl player

fastest sprinter none of this stupid shit where they have a giraffe i wonder how much which exists the off ice uh like how fast or at least conor mcdavid off ice so okay we've talked about this many times he's not the fastest at the 100 meter dash but he's the fastest at they have this thing where uh the track is one lane and straight but it breaks into two and there's lights and you got to run towards whatever light comes on supposedly he is the best at that reaction time that makes sense the thing about conor mcdavid that's impressive too it's like i remember um a player for calgary he was a um he was like a first round pick at rico fata i don't know if you remember oh he was the fastest player in the NHL

but the problem was he couldn't skate with the puck so it's useless he was a hilarious video game player it was insane playing with him he was like a 59 overall 100 speed zero everything else so if you could manage to hang on the puck

in the video game you were going to score Connor McDavid with the puck and that just tells it's the fast twitch muscle fibers that's gift and obviously you have to develop that that's amazing his brain is just processes information faster than everyone else yeah yeah no big deal she's

connor mcdavid um yeah so i thought the trade was good for the least yeah it was a great trade um so uh this is interesting and i'm actually surprised that this was still the case but it does show that bare minimum progress is being made bobby hall is no longer a black hawks ambassador um obviously um the the hawks have asked stan makita tony esposito denny savard and bobby hall um back in the day if they would come on and be um uh ambassadors because the blackhawks i think a lot like the leafs have punished their fans so much in their history rather than rewarded them and the blackhawks especially in the 60s or the 70s and 80s when tv started to come in and the you know uh bill wertz senior was like a just a tough tough guy and you remember in the brian

burke book what he what brian said about bill wertz uh help me he said that when gary betman took over as commissioner bill wertz used to just interrupt him he'd be in the middle of saying bill wertz would because bill wertz essentially was the de facto oh weird i know it's funny how that gets passed down are you saying interrupting runs in the family um he would he would run he essentially ran the league for a long time no words and so i guess just a history of no accountability on monday on monday it was learned that the hawks decided to part ways with hall late in november with the passing of makita in 2018 and esposito in 2021 only savard and chris chelios who was added in 2018,

sorry, 2018, excuse me, remain with the program. So what they said was, we are redefining the role of team ambassador, which unfortunately comes on the heels of losing two very special members of our family. When it comes to Bobby specifically, we jointly agreed earlier this season

that he will retire from that team official role. Now, listen, it's all out there public record, but Bobby- Here, can we leave it at, he's a tough Google? Yeah. Bobby Hall is a tough dude.

Bobby Hall is. It's sort of surprising that he was ever even asked. No, it's not because he scored a big bunch of goals. But, like, listen, in the midst of my big Rocky Wertz rant, you know, I was accused of, you know, trying to cancel people all the time. I'm not here to try to cancel this old man. but well here it is everyone makes mistakes but two wives two former wives accused him of domestic abuse and in 1998 he was quoted as saying adolf hitler had some good ideas but went a little too

far he was also quoted the other and then he later told the la times that the garments were false and defamatory and the same i think maybe the same uh interview he said oh yeah the black population of the united states was growing too fast and that genetic breeding was a good idea i don't have time for bobby holy fuck yeah i didn't know that one you don't make a mistake with those words yeah like i i were not stepping on a line by saying he's a bad guy that you probably shouldn't and that was with that's the thing was that that was sort of well known like that was out there yeah it's just that it had it had been so long that people sort of forgot you know right it's been over 20 years yeah and so probably a good idea for them to disassociate he was in a commercial

like promoting the league like three years ago with Brett Hall. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's time. Yep. There is a statue of him outside the United Center. Yep. They ain't taking that down.

Telling you right now. Maybe one day. Maybe one day. We've seen a lot of statues from bygone eras come down this year. Maybe in 30 years, 40 years, somebody recognizes and they pull up these quotes and they take down statues. They haven't taken down a lot of statues of living people.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not happening. Not yet. I've been saddened, but also like super, I guess, I don't know if there's a positive spin here, but the amount of Blackhawks fans who've reached out

and said, I don't know if I could be a fan anymore, but I love hockey. And just said, I just need you to know that. It's funny, some of them are like, I'm not even expecting a response, but I felt the need to message you and say, we're absolutely devastated and we don't know what it would take for us to even get back in the United Center. Yeah. I know people who bailed years ago, before this even broke.

Oh, really? On the Blackhawks, specifically, yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, what I want here and what we talked about a few weeks ago was, okay, so now all this shit's happened. Now I want to see change, right? No, you don't need to see change. that's for us we know what change is gonna happen don't ask me about change about change

no that's what we saw a couple weeks ago adam like i know what i was saying was i wanted us to i do want this to get no what do you want i want this i know what i want that but if adam was your son yeah god daddy jesse zero hyperbole that's where we left this that's where we left this team I know. Do you want to go to something cooler and more fun? Yeah. Sorry. So we talked about...

For what? They make me upset. Oh, yeah. I think they make a lot of people upset. They kind of suck a lot. There's like three people running a few Twitter accounts who are like, Blackhawks did nothing wrong. What about this team?

Yeah, no, I agree. That's also bad. Also bad. It's not a great defense when it's also bad. So I sent you three tweets, Jesse, in one email and then one in another. so we're going to run through these because uh steve dangle podcast listeners are undefeated and they sent me a bunch of my my reverse retro jersey ideas and i think it looks pretty spectacular so the first one i got was from tanui how great does that look so we were talking about

i want that and i wasn't saying it even reverts retros this should be the third jersey for the toronto maples i want that in my house right now this should be the third jersey right now so and it should be the third jersey forever just leave it it's white white shoulders yeah for everybody listening yeah white shoulders white collar with the blue old leaf and like the 90s leaf which was a little bit different than the 2000s leaf but the same idea and smack dab in the middle the current leaf right so you're the current crest like the current logo on an 80s jersey that's all it is so good and and you can look up the 80s jersey if you want to see it another one can you go on to the next one there jersey rules i like this one because it actually

has the patches from the heritage classic on it and how great does that look with tavaris also very good really nice it's a great one only slightly different and a white stripe at the bottom i don't know if we said that yeah the other one had a white stripe too because again it's the exact copy of that jersey and then the third one is a dangle navy alternate jersey which i really liked it has a crab people crest on the left shoulder and an sdpn leaf logo on the right how great is that i'm man i feel like we need to make that big fan yeah yeah well you know we got to make some alterations to you know not get sued and stuff we wouldn't get sued for that for the leafs no the the a maple leaf isn't copyrighted yeah you can't copyright it we don't have there's

no a blue maple leaf is not copyrighted yeah you can do that so this one is yeah it just has the dangle navy it has the dangle navy crest but here's the great thing about this dangle navy it's got the anchor but the anchor is also the cn tower oh like how cool is that because we're toronto homers well we are yeah i mean for sure oh god that's a really isn't that really well thought out that is from um that is from eric uh cooley cooley uh and at at puck guy 14 he works for tealtown usa i've been on his podcast really nice guy like this is a guy who's not even a fan of the leafs he's a sharks fan gorgeous jersey though gorgeous so i was hoping we i wanted to feature all these and then i've got one more then this one's a really interesting one this is from

1967 champs now what i love about this one is it's the 30s leafs jersey with the stripes the striping and it's got the red toronto maple leafs logoing so if you actually look at a toronto maple leafs logo from the early 50s it's the the toronto maple leaves like the actual physical words are not in blue they're in red that's how they used to do it the jersey is blue the jersey is blue but the the actual writing is in red how cool is that it's the current crest with some stripes three stripes at the bottom three stripes on the shoulders three stripes on the elbows um and really really simple and with a captaincy it's a tavaris jersey how great is that that's a one i love it it's kind of wild how similar at one time the leafs and habs jerseys were

yeah because remember they had the leaf as well yeah yeah no that's that's a really good it's a gorgeous jersey it's a really gorgeous so i just i'm wondering brendan shanahan who i know pays attention to twitter because he tweeted the martin marincin gif uh you didn't think it would appear appear in your comments but you were wrong um i know they're paying attention i know they hear us i know i know you do please do this please do this this is what we want they they screwed up they did again the jersey's not bad it's just not a wower yeah and i want it to be a wow this is trying to make beliefs we should wow people they could have done a lot better and just seeing like these ideas like the people here did great jobs and they're not the professionals doing the

jerseys you know like why couldn't the professionals who are in charge of this come up with fun creative ideas like this can i give you steve's overthinking it for this one please sometimes i wonder if people put ideas for jerseys onto twitter and then teams go fuck now we can't use it oh no why not just hire the person and pay them they have all the money in the world that's kind of how i look at it i don't know like okay if you look that's a really good point okay if look at who we've hired at this network like we hired we hired some people like robert what's robert's story robert who runs our discord runs our social team robert is uh was a fan and we were like hey you know how to do things you want to do them but he started doing what captions on

captions yeah and how did that happen he just did it because he wanted to right pretty much i don't really remember how that came to be but i was like hey this is a thing you could do right and he was like yep and then this summer i got a dm from him about uh something called discord which i'd never heard of that he and jesse were putting together and i was like okay i guess i'll sign up for that now we have 10 000 people in it he runs it 24 7 wild and but this is the thing if they're good at it hire them there's uh those are four good ideas right there there's that uh sort of a gelling of the last two topics but there's that um have you seen that alternate blackhawks logo that's a bird no oh really good yeah look look that up supposedly i don't know i

keep hearing rumors that the blackhawks may someday adopt it it's really good oh look at that jesse i'll send it to you i'll send it to you i'll send it to you sorry um you know what just search alternate blackhawks logo bird probably faster that is gorgeous yeah i don't know adam can you describe it so it's a uh it's got the the feathers obviously in it kind of like the original black hawks but it's actually a black hawk yes with the yeah so it's gonna be orange use this i don't think they did so it's got the the orange feather yellow green and red but it's yeah it's an actual bird i think this isn't a good description you gotta well imagine it's only a concept yeah it's the concept yeah no they didn't come up with it as far as i know yeah no it was a artist i can't

i don't remember the story of the artist and everything but it's a sick logo stunning yeah really love that yeah look this is kind of fun though right like you know you get to and look at i'm just looking at the concept on a jersey like cool um i uh i don't know about the rest of that jersey the logo is good though that jersey is too a little too vancouver the chicago Canucks yeah um the uh I just think you know there's so many places they could have gone I wish you I was hoping for something more exciting but maybe if they were playing a different team other than Buffalo they would have a little more effort to it Sabres jerseys are sexy as hell I actually like the Sabres one they're really good you know what their last two they've done very

good yep and all the names are spelled right and stuff they're they're really improving by the way you know how certain things are retro and certain things are just old okay sure the Buffalo slug is never allowed to be retro it can only just be a mistake that's old i don't think the stars have ever brought back the motorist oh my god or the or the vancouver canucks deep v from the 80s with the cooper rolls even that the pant the pants skates no you can't i don't know if that belongs in the same bad conversation it's bad it would you know what they they said it was supposed to strike fear into the hearts of the opponents that's what they actually thought yeah and how'd that go the Canucks

were pretty bad in the 80s a yellow and orange V didn't it terrible yeah no it wasn't good okay anyway shall we do the press conference sure some things are just

old the Steve Dangle press conference today this Chris Johnson show comes out Yes. There's a lot of trade talk. Do you want to go through that, Steve?

Because you kind of paved the way for them to have these discussions on the show. Hold on. Everybody calls me the overreaching boss. And Steve's in there going, how about you talk about this, Chris Johnson? Okay, explain this. No, I'm just joking. Explain what you're talking about. No, so we have a WhatsApp conversation for every show, right?

That I was finally allowed into. Yeah, well, I mean, we had to make sure that everything was legal. um and uh and so so steve was like hey how about you and then he just and they were great ideas but i was just like i was like hey if everybody could see that i am not the power hungry maniac making andrew work when he's got covid kind of guy that people make me out to be well here here are my two options with this show for example there's uh come in and ask nothing and we record the show or sometimes i go hey adam make sure we get this in and adam looks at me like you fucking peasants it's already in not always so not always you know and uh for chris and julian

i asked them to talk about a few topics that i figured they would talk about anyway but i just wanted to make sure because i thought it would be a better listening experience for our audience did they talk about those things i don't know oh you suck all right i want to listen to that show so bad is it up yet why not no why not no it'll be up when you are listening to this podcast the cj show will be up though okay um you steve cannot listen to it right now no uh yesterday around 4 30 p.m eastern time the montreal canadians won a game it was the their 10th of the year it was the first time all season that they won back-to-back games and their starting goaltender for the game was andrew the hamburglar hammond first win since 2018 great pickup for them just

to get a goalie who's motivated and wants to play a little you interviewed andrew hammond years ago didn't you yes and his wife no uh just him when he was with the remember he was part of the sens organization and he was with their minor league team bellville and he was traded to the avalanche but he just stayed there stayed in bellville yeah he stayed there and then the avalanche ended up needing him in the playoffs and he was really good yeah but um no i got to talk to him and um he he was like my back is sore and i was like my back is sore let's tell me about your sore back and we that that interview was still up on sportsnet.ca there you go him and uh jf jf berube um won games for the first time in like over 1500 days or something like that or over a

thousand days on the same night pretty cool didn't even know jf berube was still playing it's funny would you see zach fucali's name popping around too like he's almost gonna make it uh his first uh he had the the shutout that's right going that's right yeah you never know you never know and and who had the shutout or who owns the all-time shutout streak brian brian boucher brian boucher like Flyers Brian Boucher but he was with the Coyotes you just never know who owns the record

you should know this who owns the record for most saves in a shutout Felix Buffett most saves in a shutout Tuka Rask Ben Scribbins Scrivezna

he fucking was Scrivezna that night for the Leafs? no 59 saves for the Oilers in a 3-0 win over the Sharks. That was the Dallas Eakins Oilers, and I think that was the same year that Taylor Hall threw a water bottle and sprayed Dallas Eakins,

and they got mad at each other. I think it might have been. It was a bad year. That was unbelievable. That was everyone. So I was doing highlights at CBC that night, and everyone just stopped what they were doing by late in the second period

because they were like, have the Sharks still not scored? And we were watching it. Yeah, it was a great game. Great game. uh correction from last episode when we were doing the brock besser deal i said he was a ufa but he's an rfa and the qualifying offer for besser is 7.5 million dollars so that is if i take it motivation for trading it to me that's worse like to me that's yeah it's increased

motivation yeah it's worse that his qualifying offer is 7.5 than it would be if he was a uf right so that's why yes you retain the player but the canucks are kind of desperate to move them because they don't want to pay that price uh this first question comes from blake s blake underscore s no relation to me uh also if you're not a member of discord already go join it each oh yeah no link is on stpn.ca adam you and i had a donut bet according to blake underscore okay is the donut bet's still on for adam versus jesse in the olympics i can't recall exactly what episode but i know a donut bet was brought up for the olympics also i would love to see the supercut at the end of the year for game over lost intros for me yeah i keep saying i want to make that

and they're like i don't know it's a little depressing i'm like come on no because we already did one do it again like oh yeah just fucking play the hits play the hits hit him again all right um so we because because no because we were betting on who was going to win the gold medal and i took the field and you guys took canada we took team but that was with the nhl the nhl play so is the donut bet off no it's off okay you can't that sure yeah okay listen you won yeah but i didn't okay like the nhlers weren't there so we should give uh congratulations to finland by the way yeah finland's man hey uncle leo playing piano afterwards ripping it on the keys you see that we should also give congratulations to andrew berkshire who completed yeah come on

Like him and okay so Omar subbing in on the weekends was amazing Andrew Berkshire MVP Oh like Holy shit and I know he's exhausted And I know one of those days was his birthday I think it was Friday And I just Andrew Berkshire

I cannot say enough about the job that Andrew did If you have the Chance tweet Andrew and tell him He's very sexy Like super sexy no maintenance No he just did it He's amazing yeah Andrew we love working with you buddy well done amazing stuff yeah incredible what else we got we got a question here from good randy

on the discord is dezingle a kerfoot replacement for when they move kerfoot for a second pairing guy uh that thought briefly occurred to me because dezingle can sort of play all three positions but not really i mean he's it's kind of a downgrade on kerfoot which you're not really going for heading into the playoffs are you but is it a downgrade but you upgrade the d oh like you trade kerfoot for someone who helps on the second pair right you take away a little offense to improve the defense i don't mind having him in the lineup but i wouldn't slot him into kerfoot slot like i'd rather put like mckay of there or something like that you're not you're not getting me jacked about this idea i like i like where your mind's at but

i'm not jacked about it's not it he could play like if if he clears waivers today that's good news for the leaves i don't give a shit what they pay him to play for the marlies it's not my money yeah you know i i think i i i i know kerfoot's name comes up in trade talks a lot i've probably guilty of it too but like as much as i'm not always sold on what he does i know when he does stuff it's a lot better than the stuff that most players can do yeah i i think the reason because his name goes in and out of trade talks and the reason it's in is crystal clear uh that line's not producing right now but i wouldn't call it his fault you know he does man he fills a lot of holes for this team and

he's a key part of that penalty kill and it's every time we talk about trading him we get to for what well that's where I get stuck and his deals up at the end of this season is it not I think

he's got one more year is it a four-year deal he was on yeah okay 3.5 well like and that's the thing is he's a he's a guy who can skate with those guys like who else plays in that spot on that left

side it was nice to see Willie get a couple by it by the way yeah 10 game goal list yeah yeah and And they were great, great shots, great shot on a goalie. Who's hard as hell to beat. Yeah. Yeah.

No, it was, it was really good. That, that left, that left wing. I mean, they could use a left wing. Is it, is it Hagel? Is the guy from, is he the Chicago guy? That's a left winger. Yeah. That's that price is tough.

That price is really tough. Your price is tough. Goddamn. Right. Maybe Kerfoot, Kerfoot goes over. something there i don't know why the hell the blackhawks would do that but there's something there i know what you're saying right well jesse any other questions uh no i'm out of questions let's try to see if there's any other news and notes we need to hit

on i woke up to all of finland shitting on renee fasel that was fun why what happened why so supposedly he did an interview where he was like ah i'm no longer the head of the double ihf so i can say this now but like i i don't know finland plays a defensive ugly style or whatever why would he say that because he's a big pro putin guy he was cheering for russia is he is he really tomato tomato yeah renee fasel yeah yarmulke kalinin tweeted uh criticism of him and basically you were you were the head of the double ihf for way too long i'm glad you're gone wow i'm paraphrasing yeah you know listen it's remember when we were talking about fasel and batman going head-to-head and it was just two supervillains oh yeah like it's like you can't root for either

side here no it was 2018 remember that we were like who's gonna who will pay the insurance all right yeah that's why they didn't go to the olympics nobody wanted to pay the insurance guys guys you're both just awful anyway yeah but you know the thing i like about him over betman is he's uh gone um uh mark andre flurry trade talks are heating up that's the thing that's happening is that from the cj show no it's from the news and notes of the nhl world you know who knows if it's washington what is on the cj show i'm gonna jesse listen to it hey jesse noxie and cax tomorrow what's coming up oh my gosh uh noxie and cax are recording today and it'll be released tomorrow morning they are doing a wrap-up of the olympics so you're gonna hear uh all the olympic covers

and everything they're gonna tell some stories because they haven't done a episode of just the two of them that the world has heard we've heard it they've heard they did a episode pre-debut of the podcast that we heard it was fantastic so this episode no guest just noxy and cax shooting the shit i'm putting you on the spot any of the gold medalists coming on in the future uh yes i'm in a i'm gonna say that once they land back in north america there's gonna be a little more uh room to talk to them because they were kind of locked down when they were on the other side of the world and they couldn't be reached get out of town yes no way any sort of medium so they couldn't come on the show but now that they're back home yes awesome um also you know

what i i this is a complete oversight on my part i want to quickly sneak this story and tie too many uh too many excuse me uh stepping down at the phf um and what merrick and frege hinted at uh on 32 thoughts on at the intermission uh on saturday night was that this probably means something's happening interesting okay so this drives me nuts because here's what's happened to listen what i'm doing my stream right and that's a great segment right it's like you can't well they drop two bombs there's a leaf trade coming and this and so what's interesting with this one is that she brought in millions of dollars extensive health care doubled the salary salary cap like did did pretty big things in 18 months and is resigning so that tells me something's

up but i don't know what something's up with the league like i don't i don't know like i have some guesses but uh give me one my guess this is my guess yes and this is what they hinted at my guess is that they know that something's about to be absorbed into something else oh that's my guess the other league i don't know or their league i don't know if their league's going to be absorbed i don't know i actually don't know but it sounds to me like think about this she has accomplished a ton in 18 months and deserves credit for that so you did all this great stuff and you stayed there 18 months while your moment because from the outside for our perspective their momentum's kicking oh yeah they're doing well yeah so you're leaving yeah it's odd right

that tells me something so i'd have my eyes both eyes firmly on twitter as we often do with the trade deadline and i think there's something else i don't know i just think something else is coming twitter kind of sucks yeah twitter does some just just yeah don't don't look at your replies just look at look at uh look at the feed don't look at your replies when's the show going up with this show uh 5 15 p.m eastern all right 5 16 p.m eastern we're gonna find out yeah let me tell you something i don't know anything i'm guessing but that's what american freach hinted at isolated i don't know anything yeah send it to edmonton please god by the way i changed my name on twitter to mayor of edmonton adam wilde

that's good so anyway they like me there let me hit the button yeah hit that button so we're gonna be uh broadcasting remote for the next couple of days too so it'll be me jessie and steve all from our various homes because i'm technically on vacation so we're doing the podcast remotely I need you to look up the word vacation I don't think you're doing it right I think I'm doing it great I love this vacation with you S-T-E-P

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