The Steve Dangle Podcast - I Can't Remember What I Was Going to Say | June 10, 2024

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

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perhaps why don't they call it i guess i guess the new name for the site is caps friendly yeah no more like cap sellout yeah you know what i mean cap friend i mean every internet user who doesn't know how things work cap friendly uh has reportedly been sold to the washington capitals caps friendly you get it you see yes uh now this is not the first time this has happened if you remember our good friend uh tom parashka ran a site called general fanager yeah and he sold it to the vegas golden knights and what happened what happened what happened stanley cup finals appearances in six years one of them was a win instant success i saw so many people go why would the capitals do this as if the vegas golden knights aren't currently stanley cup champions

yeah like guys come on come on i know listen i'm gonna miss the site too i'm sad about it happy for their success yeah well and i i i everyone cheers for your success until you actually find it you know well i i was really surprised by the amount of people who are like i don't like this like if i would never sell okay yeah you would yeah you would and even if you wouldn't and you would have done it for less here's here's the thing even if you wouldn't just be happy for people they can make their own decisions and they don't really need your input on that i'm i'm those guys that ran that site uh we we saw them in nashville we've been in touch with the cat friendly guys for years and they are kind professional helpful they are on the

ball all the time and whenever we reached out they've always been there to help so for me i'm thrilled for them and and they deserve all this success and good look at them they get to go work for an nhl team well and you know what what they used to do because remember they wouldn't get uh they weren't able to get credentials yes so they remember that they would show up to the draft the three of them i think in full suits blazing hot nashville remember and uh they would all show up with their laptops and they would update the site from their seats that they bought in their suits yeah and they were at our event last year too yes they were they were in the corner very nice guys but they barely talked to anybody because they were on their phones the

whole time trying to update the site they were yeah which was amazing it was always it's like okay we have 10 minutes set aside to socialize and speak to other humans yeah and then they would go right back to running one of the most important websites in hockey and that's that's why people are sad about well i think i think it's okay to be sad about that and also not say you bunch of sellouts like yeah just just man let people do something good that's good for them and you know what there are other sites available and we'll shout out our friends at pugpedia who are another that's another great site that you can go to that not for sale from what i understand so well and and you know it's funny they i think they used to be a part of the nation network and now they're

independent again or i don't really understand how all that worked but you know what i'm seeing is is some people saying it's not as puckpedia is not as user-friendly or whatever uh as cat friendly you know that was the people forget and maybe it's because you got to talk to us olds but that was the complaint when uh cap geek uh stopped operating and then general manager took over cap geek was the original one it was i want to say it was it was cap geek that was the original then general manager and a really early stage cap friendly were going at it and i remember people being like well neither of these sites are even usable and i don't know i didn't mind them well they got better no they were good but we were used to cap geek which at the time was a preposterous

standard and and who uh what was the story there matthew west right um unfortunately passed away and uh you know it was it was the the first site of its kind that i can that i can think of there were others talking about oh i ran something like this or i started this in 2006 or whatever i wasn't familiar with it it was the first big site of its kind um with the salary cap general fanager took over went away uh and that was messy too because supposedly they were going to go to the nation network and then they ended up going to vegas a decision that i don't think they regret on account of they have a stanley cup ring now um cap friendly it took over dominic's rim um who uh founded i believe cap friendly worked for uh the sharks worked for the blackhawks

um i assume they're going to work for the capitals now i don't know how that works actually because the last few years to my understanding while doing work for those two nhl teams uh they haven't been running the site it's been the davis brothers yes um so but it might still be an investment or whatever and we don't know might still be i have no idea and now um we still have puckpedia yeah so i mean none of this would be a problem if the nhl just did it themselves well that would be a problem yeah because the nhl uh the nhl doesn't i think it's this type of site can only really exist outside of nhl.com would it because it would require well i don't know if it would be illegal it probably yeah salary disclosure is probably not something that they're technically

allowed to do i mean it's like sports net listing but you're talking about website one of the one of the things that like nhl.com can't do is they can't break news they have to wait until the team has announced it and then they can write a story about it so um you know a team like the islanders you just get a bunch of dashes like you wouldn't get anything you need you need reporters on it you need it to be private uh or part of a larger network um because the nhl has no impetus to make a site like that good or work or be updated right whereas a site where which can draw a bunch of clicks the way cap friendly and puckpedia do um have the opportunity to make some money off of that where the nhl they don't know that's not their core business they don't care like look

at nhl edge it's kind of useful kind of it's it's fine but getting better it's getting better but it's not what it needs to be and again that's not the nhl's focus you know adam one of us has been very quiet and one of us knows i think perhaps more than two of us jesse blake uh you just recorded the cj show yeah with cj and i believe this was a topic yeah it was and it's it was cj's reaction to it was i think the appropriate one in that he's just happy i hate those guys oh oh you know i think it was it's it's like hey we can this has happened several times with the hockey community where we lose the cap site that we had this is

this is just groundhog day again and you're really happy for all the guys that cap friendly who get I assume some sort of payday and they get to continue working in the NHL like they get to go work for an NHL team which is awesome but Jesse how does this affect the meeps what is that

the me so the instead of the leaves to me here I'll do I'll tell you what I would do if I was in that you're not in that situation I was I asked CJ I was like a lot of the outrage is people who think there's something nefarious done on the side of the capitals and it's very it's very cut and dry like this is a shrewd business decision by ted leone's this and and co like i'm not i haven't been a fan of how he's handled any of the arena situations in

washington at all but he's been a very good businessman in the media space over the last uh his decades long run as a very successful businessman and this is just another competitive advantage that he saw and apparently there were other suitors on on for cap friendly and they came the table with some sort of the best offer the best situation and behind the scenes cap friendly was working with nhl teams there were the like certain apis like they they link to back ends of teams operations in in their that's how you make money right yeah so that they did work with nhl teams and the reason this came to light that way it got leaked is because they terminated those contracts so the teams that were working with cat friendly they got the notice that hey the

washington's gonna buy all of this information and that's gonna be shut down so this kind of got leaked out and for them it's just hey hey good for you we'll all move on as a hockey collective uh public and we'll find some other way to get salary information but right now good move by the washington capitol shutting it down for everybody else not having the ability to access it publicly we've seen lots of screenshots of there's one of is it dorian who's in his office in in ottawa there's a screenshot of him using cap friendly on like a on a team photo which is just cool because you know how far that site reached and and now the washington capitals did something smart and they gain all the people there and the information so kudos to them and

kudos to the cap friendly guys for a cool moment yeah uh puckpedia is now gonna get a pretty big windfall yeah excited for them yeah 25 is gonna be a big year for them yeah and if you're not happy like you i think you nailed it with like hey cap friendly wasn't always the infrastructure that we it is right now they built to this moment and puck beat is maybe it's not cap friendly right now but now with all of this new traffic they can build to that and all of that new traffic is going to drive revenues for them and they can add more features that you want and it'll be fine like we're all going to survive this it's all right new features cap friendly we discussed hey it'd be good if your site had this it'd be good if your site had that and then they added it to the site

which means if the Caps win the Stanley Cup, I get a ring, all right? What? I want one. Yeah, because I contributed like 0.0000001% to that website. So I want a ring. That's how it works.

I'm like the black ace who plays five AHL games and gets to hoist the cup. That's me. I want to get on the ice. I think big congratulations go to those guys for how hard they've worked and how much understanding they've brought, too. One of the things that I think,

you know if you have a reasonable reaction to this uh one of the things i think you're thinking which is uh man i they really helped me understand this cap which is not easy to understand they did videos they did educational tutorials and things like that that you know if you wanted to you could look all that up and i wonder if that all goes away too probably and yeah the site's shutting down yeah so like what the youtube videos though and stuff like that after free agency yeah so yeah that's that's one thing we should note too they've committed to keeping the site open for draft and free agency so it doesn't officially shut down until july 5th so you have until then uh to access captain i saw some people go oh that's good of them and i'm like yeah it is well also the contract

probably their contracts probably go until after draft free agency as well with whatever teams that they're that are using their service they can't just terminate it like that there's probably a latency period like here's a 30-day termination but the public gets it too yeah i don't give a damn about the team well i know but that's probably the main public yeah but they could shut it down for the public is the point like yeah they didn't oh there's no contract with the public like they could have kept it open for the teams and everything but the fact that they left it open for the public is kind of cool so i understand there is cap friendly premium and some people were griping about that i i don't know enough about it um but uh you know hopefully

everyone involved um is made whole or whatever is left satisfied i mean i mean i guess you're not going to be satisfied because it's going away but good for them man like it's it's just you know matt west when he started cap geek um was solo um cap friendly i don't know enough about their humble beginnings but like they grinded for a number of years before the site was like really relevant and tom paraska um who won a stanley cup with the vegas golden knights we had him on our show in like 2015 or 16 he began the site to teach himself how to code that's cool these are all like that's very cool great triumphs of hockey fans like these are fans um who started something and helped uh the rest of us um you know this is why i keep yelling about

the league and i wish the league would do more um these are fans helping fans yes well and i think uh uh i think it's it's uh again we we congratulate them and don't worry there's other sites doing it too and as businesses grow it's funny they don't just start at 10 out of 10 great they have to build up and sometimes you have to go back down and then you have to build up even more and then you have like that's how it works i i wonder what this means for salary swish which i think It's a good question. They just started this season. It's quickly capped.

If they're good at that, I mean, isn't it funny that Leonsis owns the Washington Wizards? Yeah. If I'm him, I want them both in the deal. But who knows

if that's like a different arm, you know, and they leave that open and eventually they sell it to like the Raptors. No idea. Yeah. But I don't know.

That's a very good question. I wonder what happens to it because it doesn't have the notoriety that Cap Friendly has in the NHL space. It hasn't gained traction yet in the NBA space.

So we'll see if it lives past uh this date yeah i uh um i can't remember what i was gonna say cool that's okay that's good why don't we do the bet mgm big story and see how bad we did this weekend with our bets two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca.

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with a goal 1.27 goals saved above expected in the first period alone and Florida went 10 minutes without a shot wow so that's more slaps for Edmonton though I like this I should do this during the season you should I need more of these people listening I have no idea yeah no it's okay that's your fault for listening no i'm kidding we got uh i got my two mini jerseys and i'm reenacting game one oh yeah no this is great excellent i think it's great it's great it's great it's not slowing the segment down at all no so what i'm trying to tell you good good point what i'm trying to tell you is that the fact that the florida panthers had a shutout had a clean in soccer they call it clean sheet the fact that they had a clean sheet even after the first period

is a miracle and this is the definition people are going to say oh Edmonton didn't make good on their chance blah blah blah this is what it looks like to get goalied if you ever need a dictionary definition of what it's like to get goalied this was it and by the way stop trying to be difficult about it that's a goalie game the like period end of story maybe it's not like oh Edmonton could have had 10 okay but that's what happens Zach Hyman empty net he air mails it That never happens. That's a goal. Adam Henrik and Ryan Nugent Hopkins each get a breakaway.

One of those. One of those you would think goes in. Goalies are allowed to make saves. Shooters are allowed to score. You'd think one of them scores. And as I mentioned earlier, Nugent on the hash marks. Was he the one who Bob did the windmill? Yes.

I mean, give that one a 50-50. Like, every 50-50, I mean, the Hyman one is more of a 90-10, went Florida's way. Went in Florida's face. But you're not going to take me off the fact that that was a goaltender performance for the ages. Brodsky was incredible. He was very, very, very good. And that is sometimes all that you need. However, I think based on, you know, the post-game comments, guys, and I think, you know, you guys watched it too and you did your stream, they got away with one.

oh 100 and they know it um and paul maurice was working on his stand-up bit and just having a great time congratulating his son and winning the kelly cup with the echl florida everblades um i was really impressed with the mindset of the oilers though after the game like well you know this is the hockey gods paying us back for game six against dallas which i thought was funny yep and just the truth yeah like you probably shouldn't have won that game against dallas who cares you did um you know and what really was that you did more spectacular things than the stars did mcdavid um just dumped gas on miro heiskanen and lit him on fire in front of a building of thousands of people and wasn't arrested um he pulled off a move that you cannot usually pull

off on a player of miro heiskanen's caliber but he did it that night and that's all that mattered uh in this game game one uh the Oilers were the quote-unquote better team I think being the better team is the worst thing to be it's so like who cares you want to be the winning team who gives a damn about being the better talk to any Leafs fan about being the better team it really matters at the end of things you know I think the deserve to win a meter was like it was like eight percent in florida's favor it doesn't matter i think going into game two you got to be a little concerned if you're edmonton because of just the way sergey borowski played in that game but throughout the playoffs itself they had a great graphic on the screen during the sportsnet broadcast if you're

watching up in canada uh where uh sergey borowski has allowed goals these playoffs he's allowed zero goals to his five hole wow he allowed one goal to the left low glove and on the other side low the low blocker he's allowed six goals and the other um 31 goals have come up high so you can't beat him low at all and you watch those two breakaways both low pad saves beautiful stuff from boroski so you got to be worried that he can just do it three more times so that he's been doing it all playoff that's how you know he's dialed because that's what he's always done when he's on i i can't remember who tweeted it but when he signed that huge deal in florida you know people weren't just pointing out the age thing they were pointing out okay this is a goalie who excels

uh with his flexible lower body he excels blocking the lower part of the net he has had frequent serious groin issues and you just gave him 10 million dollars times eight years or whatever it was and the first few years of that contract sucked they were not good at all lost job to chris dreger for a little bit yeah man and now the guy is 35 and playing not just great he's playing sergey bobrovsky great like this isn't a flash in the pan this isn't oh the pucks are just hitting him or the oilers aren't getting good chances um you know there was a little bit more uh quantity than quality but they should have had at least as at least as many as the panthers had no this is sergey bobrovsky playing well looking the way he looks when he's always

playing well and i worry about like giving the the panther like not giving the panthers goals in a situation where like let's say that nuge one goes in yeah and it's it's one one or something like that the panthers are going to play differently as if it's if it's not two not two nothing so like we can't really predict what would have happened if the one of those goes in for the oilers but the way the panthers played where they didn't play their best hockey but they have this great goaltender if you're the oilers you got to say we played great hockey and we still couldn't win right there's there's a bit of concern there going into game two cj wrote an article for the athletic i encourage you to check it out about bobrovsky and his case for the hall of fame

because this is a multi-vesna winner um who had weird years where he was atrocious like bad really bad and but you know and and again rolled into last playoffs not being the starting goaltender and then really put on a performance for the ages once he got in. And this year has been kind of more of the same. If he wins the Cup, is he a Hall of Fame shoe-in? And CJ's been mentioning it on the CJ Show a little bit. And I'm starting to go, well, you look at his career achievements, you look at the kinds of games that he wins.

Like last year when we looked at – what was it that Rod Brindamore said? He's like, it doesn't feel like we've been swept. Even though they were swept. Because they outplayed them every game. but Bobrovsky yeah and people like goalies are a part of your team yeah I have to build the team with a great goalie and getting goalie I don't think is an excuse that's a part of the team it's like oh we got outscored ah you know that's the thing the great goal scorer scored no the goalie is also a part of it so if the Florida Panthers want to build through this strategy

where Borowski stands on his head like all power to them there there are three wins away from the Stanley Cup in 1993 the Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley Cup because of Patrick Waugh but you know who should have won the stanley cup is the montreal canadians because they had patrick wa on their team exactly like that's just how it works guys yeah if i had wheels i'd be a wagon so uh the other thing i think we should we should talk about outside of brofsky unless you guys have more you want to say is carter verhege leaves i don't know now first off when we talk about carter verhege you have to spell it spell his name oh man v e r and now it gets tricky h a e verhege uh g h e wow i was not i couldn't follow that yeah yeah okay you spelled right no no that's

fine don't ask me lutheranian verhege's 10 goals this season are one shy of matthew kachuk's team record in a postseason set last year this according to the athletic it was his 13th career go-ahead goal in the postseason that's the tops among nhl players since 2021 when he joined florida and scored his first career playoff goal which was a go-ahead goal unbelievable it's funny you start with verhege on that because my whole thing about that entire play is sasha barkov and the outstanding playoffs he's had it like paul maurice is like okay we're gonna shut down mcdavid all we he was one guy it's it's the bark off line you know we need bark off out there the outstanding job he there turning defense into offense that they the admins always failed on that back check

the puck going in deep nobody could get it they couldn't get the puck there and or and then bark off takes it goes right around mcdavid up the ice generates that scoring chance it leads to a gold beautiful he's had one of the best playoff runs i think from like a defensive center standpoint that i've ever seen like we gave um uh philip dino all that credit in that that playoff run uh for for montreal yeah but what barkov's doing is like i think tenfold above barkov's i mean dino was one of those guys where you okay you staple them to these guys and you try to prevent them from scoring and that's all you do that's your only mission in life because remember i feel like that line didn't score very very much Barkov it's like okay you do everything yeah you have to

do everything if all the Panthers did was staple Barkov to guys and cancel them out Panthers wouldn't be here right now they'd lose um but he's scoring he's generating offense uh I've never like I'm sure this has happened but it's not like I watch every single Oilers game I've never seen mcdavid go oh and have to like scamper back and then not get there and not be able to do it beats him to the other end of the ice the panthers are too good like borowski gets so much credit in that game and like i keep saying goalie is the thing like you can just rely on your goaltending but it's the other aspects of the game that they're able to capitalize and be so good at and this first shot of the game you'll get a goal like that on a great defensive and then offensive play by

you're captain yeah like they're too deep this this is uh what i was trying to say in my cup check video um where i do an lfr style video after each game um like with uh with um i forgot what i was gonna say i completely forgot this is the second time today that's good that's good you were talking about barkov you were talking about shutting down mcdavid you were talking about going end to end has that triggered anything no okay well maybe if it comes back you can come back with it but um where are we talking about the bark off yeah we're talking about the play and i was talking about carter verhege and oh here it is may um so both uh god that's pathetic uh you know so the oilers probably should have won that game panthers didn't deserve to win that game

whatever whatever they deserve both goals they got like they were both fantastic goals it's not like you know a goalie left his net no misplayed it whoops sam bennett on if we want the second goal like i'm so happy you mentioned they deserve both goals sam bennett is the one who dumped the puck in and then beat the defenseman on the ice for the oralist to the puck against the boards you can't allow that in the stanley cup finals yes they they earned every single aspect of the ice there you you could you could argue darnell nurse i mean should have had his stick on the ice and then that would have prevented also on hyman yeah it it would have prevented the puck from ever ending up on evan rodriguez's stick but like i don't know in nurse's defense like that's a play

that shouldn't have even got to that i do want to say this like it shouldn't have got there that evan rodriguez uh was well carter verhage and evan rodriguez two former leafs uh i know let's make it about us total games played with the leaves zero yeah i think the leafs wouldn't what was it with evan it was like they really really liked him and they got him in a trade And then they're like, we're not going to pay you $2 million. We want to pay you $1.5 million. And he's like, okay, I'll go make $2 million. He's still only making $3 million.

Yeah, he's not making a lot. Dubas was smart to get him, just not smart to not qualify him. He didn't qualify him. Dubas was the best in the world at getting guys, but then not sticking with them. Except for the wrong guy, Dennis Malgan. Let's go to, no, we'll let him go to Switzerland. He'll come back.

Do we want him back? Yes. well and then you think about too like the blown jared mccann thing oh okay you're you're using this guy to pass through the expansion draft that he's gonna go to seattle but like maybe if you just looked at it that was the guy you should have kept instead of justin hall and all that how about the zach hyman trade florida drafted him it's like one of the biggest it's certainly one of the biggest fleecings for like

in the Leafs favor over the last like several decades and you turned it into like an all-time fumble for the franchise. I don't give a damn if it's revisionist. It is. It's 100% revisionist because I remember they're like, oh yeah Hyman's going to get five and a half and I went, oh

shit. Yeah, nobody thought it was going to be this. No, but who cares? Who cares? You got it wrong, obviously. Can we do the Sam Bennett goal? just sure on our stop by stop uh screenshots oh i forgot what i was gonna say sorry when sam bennett's and the evan rodriguez goal that oh sorry bennett does most that sam bennett just creates because i think the the point to illustrate here is that everybody loves talking about sam

bennett as i'm gonna punch you in the face guy look at the shots the shots are 13 to 4 at this point but sam bennett is the i'm gonna fuck shit up i'm gonna be evil on the ice but he's also a very skilled hockey player and he does things like this where he's entering the zone here he's about to cross the blue line and four edmonton oilers are currently ahead of him and ahead of the puck he dumps the puck to the boards and he beats them all to the puck and in one oh who's that defense pairing steve jesse that's that's nurse and cc if it adds up to 30 get it off the ice so he goes through the four of them beats them all to his own dump in and in the same move gets the puck to evan rodriguez it's it's a beautiful playoff style goal and i don't know

i just want to credit him for having the skill to do this can you go back to when the puck is at the blue line yeah yeah they're so he dumps it in right there yeah good coverage there too yeah and they blow it for a dollar name a bent knee well nurse for a dollar name a bent yeah nurse nurse is the only one like skating but nurse nurse puck watches and you can see him he like apologizes to his to the guys on the bench like he yeah absolutely was puck watching yeah but it's you know these playoffs more and more you know i'm understanding defense as a team concept the panthers get it nurse wears the goat horns here and everyone's i mean kind of picking on him and everything chris pronger had a funny um clip i think from the cam and strick podcast where

um where he's like yeah everyone's ripping on nurse he's in the stanley cup final you know like and i understand why he's looking at it that way but there were adam doesn't like that at all no no no no listen i've been a nurse defender all right i've been one of the few no oh i don't i don't like when people are like oh when you rag on somebody's goal and they're like that's it they're in the show they're a professional athlete i'm like but i'm i'm judging them in the context of what just happened it wasn't a good play no but i keep looking at it and i like i watch every game because because i go okay yeah he can't be terrible though they're in the cup final and then i watch i go no no no he's bad well listen

you know what i mean it's like it's like good people do bad things from time to time right good players do bad things good good players have bad players yes absolutely but but uh this play though even though it ends with a mistake from him um it happens long before that and also you where's the mistake i'll show you the mistake with nurse the mistake is you're all ahead of yeah because i don't see this that is agreed this is the mistake by nurse it's egregious see so this got him or is that mcleod that's mcleod so they got cc mcleod to the left what's nurse doing nurse nurse's job he's for anybody listening nurse was in front of the net and sam bennett sends the puck through the front of the net and it goes completely under darnell nurse's

stick right to evan rodriguez for the goal put it on the who's your man look at that who's your man oh and evander kane is trying to get there but can't get there why is bennett the first on this that's that was that one because it's cody cc man play by bennett is where i'm giving the credit because it's cody c and sam bennett yeah and he's outmatched and he's always been outmatched by the way this is the thing nurses play instantly got better when they put him with kulak i guess so nurse put your stick on the ice but also like where's he going yeah it's just it's just bad one more angle where's your man oh skinner automatically at church like like it's just there's a lot of mistakes there's a lot of mistakes you can you can point out that's a good

way to put it yeah well i like that the game wasn't on a sunday but it ought to have been yeah rodriguez i mean just heads up there's no reason cody sees he couldn't have been the first person on that puck no no you're absolutely right and listen okay fine he misses the puck but if he has the man it doesn't matter how about here back up what about kane on rodriguez like everyone on ice but i just told you defending nurse by also criticizing him kate yeah for a dollar name a bent knee but again steve that's not kane's man yes but we we've talked about this right like well it was actually supposed to i don't give a shit he's right there he's right there for a dollar yeah there's the every i think everybody on the ice awful yeah for the edmonton rose in this one

play that i want to give credit sam bennett for making yes yeah it's a it's a high you know what that is that's just a high people oh it's a high skill play no high iq high intensity high effort here's a guy who gives a fuck yeah he cares oh yeah that guy was like i am getting it it's mine yeah and and and i i i appreciate that about sam bennett's game listen i don't love uh i i have more of an issue with nick cousins to be honest with you because he's a rat and he just kind of comes in pokes you and then and then he's like he's not even playing no he's not i i sam bennett obviously has his but sam bennett's a great player sam bennett was a fourth overall pick was he not he was so like this is a good hockey player who had a bad run in calgary and look at what he's

done since he went to florida it's been amazing my point here is um uh that is a guy who and i look at this as a leaf fan imagine how depressing if you're not a leaf oh it's so depressing i don't see guys that aren't a roster that can do that or that will do that they don't have a single player except for willie that guy's yeah willie will do it it's it's a it's a guy who's like i am i am taking this so screw off well i mean anyone it takes a special type of person to look like a civil war general um like i i don't think you can be a soft player with that beer who's more of it ekholm or bennett who's more civil war general oh bennett yeah and it's the mustache yeah okay fair enough ekholm's looking good though one of the things that jesse tweeted on saturday night

and i was screaming it at my tv and then i saw his tweet and i was like ah i feel better is why did edmonton go back to car darnell nurse and cody cc and i can tell you from doing two rounds of the oilers that they're bad together they're real bad and i felt bad for nurse when he took a lot of crap because i'm like look at who they're pairing him with this poor man like it's like morgan riley man his defensive metric sucks who are his defense partners it was like and guess what one of them is cody cc well you didn't yeah there was that you didn't have to hate riley you didn't have to hate brody them together was horrible yes and you don't have to hate cc you don't have to hate nurse together they're horrible horrible so here's here's what

happened and what changed in that series was they started sitting vinnie day rna yeah they split up nurse cc and they moved kulak up with nurse on his offside this is what was said uh i think daniel nugent bowman had this uh there were a couple of factors in the decision to put the two of them back together for one kulak said he didn't like the way he was contributing on his weak side okay fair does the coach also coach knobloch said saturday he felt that edmonton didn't defend well enough uh in the clincher against the stars well okay so hold on so hold on he kulak felt like he wasn't contributing enough on his side what do the numbers tell you the numbers except for that one game which by the way they survived that's a survive game yeah it's and those happen in the

playoffs to the best of teams yeah that's a survive game yeah you didn't like your game well nobody in the oilers should really like game six against dallas none of them none of them should like it except for the fact that they won good good for them bad game they won you don't then instantly go back to the pair that you had to split up because they were getting caved by the vancouver canucks it's also flawed logic because you you you look at that um you get caved in by the stars and win and you go we need to make a change let's go back to the thing that didn't work against vancouver we need to make a change because this is never going to work again and then you look at game one against florida and you cave them in and lose and you go yeah but

that's never going to happen again now i understand what i mean yes like well if it's never going to happen again then stick with what you had well and that's that's my point is out of maybe the five or six games that kulak and nurse had played together there were really only one or there was only really the one that stood out and the entire team was bad that night yeah the rest of the time they were pretty good together and and and and i think this is where chris knobloch being a rookie coach kind of comes into things because i've really liked the decisions he's made during the playoffs it was a bold decision people forget calvin pickard came in and played two good games for the oilers he won one lost another and and then and then stewart skinner with his like sub 800

save percentage knobloch's like no we're going back with stewart weren't they down three games to two when they put Skinner back I think it was I can't remember I can't remember the Canucks up in that series yeah they were up they were up it was like 2-1 or something like that it doesn't matter regardless the point is I think it was 2-1 um Knobloch made that decision and it was a ballsy call and he did it and he and it and it worked why are you consulting Brett Kulak about one bad game where the entire team is bad you need to know as a coach that this player is going to that's Great. The player's accountable. Fantastic. Fantastic.

Great. Brett, the rest of the games went pretty well, wouldn't you say? Yeah, you should gas them up. Like, okay, I understand that you feel that way and your feelings are valid, but here's why I need you there. Yeah, and today we have new defense pairings from the Edmonton Oilers

because the offense looked pretty good. So Frank Cervalli tweeted these out. Ekholm Bouchard, as you would expect. Of course. Kulak Broberg. Broberg, I thought, was really good. And yeah, I really liked him. I liked his goal in the Dallas series too.

man he was uh and nurse day harney so day harney and nurse actually played okay together against vancouver and they're both gigantic and then the third pair so kulak is back to his correct side correct so i understand you're the head coach listening to the player being like i'm a little uncomfortable on the right i want to go back on the left yeah but i don't understand using that as an excuse to play nurse and cc you know i feel like it's fair from kulak to say that and for the coach to adjust and but it's up to the coach to make that adjustment like this where you also don't have nurse and cc together it's like okay right let's um there's an injury so you gotta play at home with someone else who's it gonna be broberg you put him with broberg and you go what

that might suck and i go ah might like this this was my thing with the riley brody pair and people go well what should they do instead anything else anything else yeah anything else okay okay we could try this and this and this and this and riley brody and no we the whole point of experimenting is you try to find what's good this look i got good news for you free space we already know it's bad don't go to it yeah for now you have fewer things you have fewer decisions to make we already know this one's bad you can't go to it well we could try uh nurse with kulak yeah you could we could try a nurse with brobert yeah you could you never know it might work out we could try nurse was easy no wrong try again anyone else this doesn't work evander kane is dealing with

some sort of injury through these playoffs that's why he's been a step slow uh sports hernia is Because it might be something that's also undisclosed. I'd believe it. So, yeah, we're just unsure at this point. But it might come a case, because he mispracticed today, that they go with seven defensemen. They're not going to. Rashad just tweeted that.

They confirmed? Kane's in. Okay, so Kane is going to play. Yeah. He almost killed Sam Bennett, so he's still useful. Yeah, that's interesting. So then if this is the lineup confirmed, thank you, Adam, then this will be Cody Ceci's first healthy scratching

in his tenure as an Edmonton Oiler for it to come in game two of the Stanley Cup playoffs. It shows how much this means and it's unfortunate for CeCe, but it's the way to go. He had a couple of classic CeCe shots in that game too, where he missed by like eight, nine, ten

feet. It was bad. He had a bad game. And you can't have bad games in the Stanley Cup final. The Calgary Tower tweeted out the Calgary Tower is a smaller looking version. If you're from Toronto, it looks like the looks like the CN Tower, but smaller.

It is a radio tower. It was built for the Olympics. Looks like a combination of the CN Tower and Space Needle. Yeah, well, it's cool. It's supposed to look like an Olympic torch. And during Stampede, they actually fire up the there's there's like these flames that come out of it. So and when the flames are doing well, they fire up the flames.

Oh, yeah, the torch, right? The Calgary Tower, just to be totally clear, the Calgary Tower will be lit blue and orange on Monday, June 10th for Action Anxiety Day and for no other reason whatsoever. we've got love for our neighbors in the north and all across the province but no never that's i like that i think it's fair it's a good tweet i think it's fair but no never give your social media team a pizza day that's a good one yeah yeah and i think and i get it if you were like you know what this is for the oilers the entire city of edmonton would be like we don't fucking

need it eat shit calgary tower so this i think is the perfect way to play yep yep canucks fans got like a boston pizza to change their sign because the the boston pizza in bc i forget where it was was like hey go oilers you know oh and they weren't listening listen i don't think these canucks fans joined me on my streams but the the canucks uh descent into madness after being eliminated by all the gazdic stuff it's the gazdic stuff what did he even say i don't know okay i don't know and that's why i can't go after too hard but i didn't watch the podcast the gazdic thing i don't even know but but like just the and it's not fans are going to be fans fans are gonna be mad fans gonna be i don't fault fans for being fans i'm shocked by some of the

media they're shocked by how they're acting and it's like i i just and it's not because they're bad people they're all really good people but it's like there is we're losing our minds here you lose guys you got into the second round for god's sakes that's fantastic good thing to build on for next year rah rah rah canucks you know what vancouver likes vancouver you know what they don't like every fucking thing else it's it's i i've never like listen toronto gets salty we do get salty sure but we usually get salty at ourselves it's inward hatred it's why didn't we hey the leafs suck and we're just sitting here like yeah i know yeah we know man stop yelling at me you can't yell that louder than i can they have their most successful season since their cup run

in 2011 and they're just flipping everybody off like it's just that's what they should have their own category tower this is this yeah this is the middle imagine if they beat the Oilers and they were against Dallas the vibes were great they would have built the tower I just

mentioned and pointed it directly uh friggin it would rotate though the middle finger tower so they can flip off everyone fuck you Pacific Ocean if they were playing Seattle that night they just rotate the middle finger around yeah oh i think we've come up with a great piece

of architecture absolutely listen you could go ahead and you could steal this idea it's a million dollar idea i'm sure you'll get public funding it's a little bit more than that um i oh everyone would be like take my tax dollars absolutely for this absolutely hey you want to build a new arena go fuck yourself put it right on top of bc place oh or or rogers arena francisco aquilini you got the money you got the money for the glove probably owns the real estate too yeah rotating middle finger rogers shouldn't be allowed to sponsor the arena name of two western conference it's annoying isn't it a rogers arena and rogers play screw that i know pick quick one i got one jesse you and i had this conversation at the rogers center i don't like it yeah i had rogers sports

net on my on my phone on at that point wow that crazy i texted you with my rogers phone that's on onto lte canada's fastest although that's under some dispute apparently i don't know um so the calgary thing is i think is that was hilarious uh we did get some news uh because we had a gary betman press conference now we son of a gun we saved i'm leaving having to watch gary and bill and marty walsh was there too yeah as a show of force because in 2026 they're definitely going to get along no i think marty walsh is being i think he's been really really good but i think that he thinks that playing well with the nhl is going to get him negotiation points and that they're going to come together and create this you know kumbaya cba and i don't

know if marty walsh is prepared for how quickly that wind will get cold no i i'm i'm reading it a little bit more optimistically if you're gary betman you don't want the guy at the other end of the table to be a smart guy and i don't think i i think donald fear was not a smart guy i think he was a lazy guy i don't know if he was he was a smart guy it's a lazy guy lazy guy in that he got paid for doing not very many things yep um so yeah but here's the problem even if the guy on the other end of the table's dumb um if they're lazy you can't get anything done yeah i think marty walsh likes to get stuff done so if i'm gary betman i'm like you know what it might be trickier but at least he'll do stuff so uh the four nations cups official dates have been released

um and it will start next uh next year in lieu of the all-star game event wednesday february 12th all the way to thursday february 20th canada united states finland sweden and bill bill daily said uh two iconic cities montreal and boston will be the hosts he said we thought it was important to have some exposure in canada did you what they can't even hide it they can't even hide it what hide what the fact that we thought it was important to have some exposure in canada yeah what do you think they're trying to hide well it's it's we we really didn't we it was sort of like canada tap you on the head good for you you got some dates good for you that's what it is absolutely i don't yeah i'm not taking it i think it's okay to involve what in canada why

did he need to say he didn't just say that guys i don't know how these guys operate i'm just saying i don't understand now you yes you do no i honestly i honestly don't know what you're saying is we felt like we didn't want to piss off canadian fans by not having at least a couple dates that's what he's saying most of the games are in canada yeah most of the games are montreal no okay so jesse's right but i don't know why so honestly i don't understand why adam's out wait wait wait wait wait wait i don't like the way that jesse's right because like what are you mad about but adam's right because like why'd you say that what do you mean by that i think you're looking to end the something like a throwaway comment hmm no that's like someone

says something to you at a party and then you're like having breakfast the next day you're like What do you mean by that? Yeah, because you have anxiety. Yeah. Oh, damn. It's been a while. Booze blues. No David Pasternak, no Leon Dreisaitl.

They said, we wanted this to be an all-NHL players tournament, and these four countries fit the bill more than any others, meaning that they couldn't fill out some of the other teams if they were to come in. Obviously, Russia, they could, but Russia's banned from international competition, except for the Olympics, where they can be the Olympic athlete from Russia.

So you mentioned that before. They're not in team sports. like they don't have like because they are they are all over the olympics yeah they're like individual athletes can like apply through something to get uh to go through the ioc and compete in the olympics but they're not there's no team russia's in the olympics all right yeah we'll see um they they were also asked about a few other things so uh will the nhl be addressing the ltir loophole bill daly said a bunch of stuff and then said basically we have to wait for the next collective bargaining agreement to approach that and thanks bill uh which is you know fair

um salary cap will be 88 million dollars which is a four five point four percent jump that's the largest bump in uh league has enjoyed since 1819 when everybody thought it was just going to be like this forever they projected it was going to be 877 so this is actually 300 000 higher than you thought it was going to be which is good yeah because the 877 was the five percent jump but they've gone even higher than the 5% because their revenues have been so good, which is cool. Cap floor is set at $65 million. Man,

the coyotes would have been sweating, dude, the, uh, the Utah team, whatever they're going to be called. If you're a smart agent, you are calling them.

First of all, they have no defenseman signed, not a single one. And they have three reserve defenseman signed to contracts. Next, they need $22 million to hit the floor. Oh my God. Call them.

they want to make a splash i assume they got money to spend call them uh sean derzy uh is a rfa there and alan made some interesting comments about that and oh did he danger provocatory you should check it out um it's looking like too that um the league may there may be a surplus in escrow so meaning so the players have a certain amount of money held back to make sure that it's 50 50 right and the calculations have yet to be done but there might be a uh surplus where money is returned back to the players which is which is crazy so not only are they going to get their money back it might be more than what they what they held back which is i think great for them i know i know we sped through the four nations face-off part but i think it's i think it's interesting i think it's

cool that they're going to announce the first six players on each team uh draft day um that'll be fun uh to watch the unveiling of that and this is like this is the appetizer for the hopefully schedule that the nhl gets on where it's we have they hopefully they form source out of some sort of world cup that they can get the international bodies in on where it's like you know a real like they have in soccer you know even like the fiba that the world championships that they have in basketball you know and everybody's involved in that plus nhl players and they break every season for that and then you have the two year or two all-star games in those four four-year periods so hopefully it's something like all-star world championships all-star olympics and that's the

four-year rotation i'd love that that'd be so sick yeah like not having the reigning world hockey champions sucks like it'd be good to come to some sort of agreement to involve them so i'm looking forward to it um it won't be like it's not truly best on best we all know that but it'll be a fun little break in the season which i think everybody will enjoy come mid-february and uh if you're not a player associated you probably get a sweet vacation yeah which will be extended like it'll be longer than the usual week and a half break yeah they they went because they don't want guys playing too much it's going round robin they have the the four games in montreal then the three in boston and then just the championships it's round robin eight games yeah you determine the top two

teams they play in the championship tournament over so we know that it's not gonna be this true where you get the playoff single elimination like a one-time thing yeah it's it's more a lot cj was making this point he made it so eloquently it's just it's more along the lines of the world cup of hockey how we all think back on it and we're like a team europe was in the finals and some of europe some of europe and it was in a two-game playoff with and canada crushed and canada beat them and well the second game was an overtime but it was a sweep it didn't it didn't make it oh no at last minute yeah last minute of the game or whatever it was i want to say it was a martian shorthanded goal with like a minute left and then when we think back to that 2016 world

cup of hockey the thing we all rave about is the team north america they didn't even make the playoffs no you know they were great though they thought they did on an aggregate they they missed the round the elimination round but like so we don't look back on that tournament like you know team canada they got that medal they got that trophy i feel like that's how cj made the point this is how we're probably gonna look back on this tourney is like this one-off where one of usa canada's finland sweden they win but it doesn't really mean anything yeah and the olympics the olympics will be you know we're looks like we're back to the olympics and it looks like they'll finally figure it out and do a world cup in between to you know every every four years so

in between the two olympic years so forgive me for being skeptical about well yeah but you were you were skeptical about the cap uh all season yeah and yeah and it happened yeah for the first time and i told you from last year it was going to happen because mathematically this is your time to dance on steve i have been saying that adam i just want to congratulate you i've been right 20 of the time when it comes i have been watching salary i have not said that the cap was going up in previous years when have i said that 2020 you were like it's going up no i did i made that up i made that up i made that up i'm being a dick i'm being a dick you know steve you know yeah Adam was right

He's like Jesse Jackson In South Park You didn't believe that 88 million was real and now look It's even more Oh no No formal expansion process Underway but Bettman continues to field

Expressions of interest which means A formal expansion process Is underway if he's listening It's formal Carter Hart, Michael McLeod cal foot and dylan dubay who are all a part of the london 2018 investigation uh sexual assault investigation um and and well i guess it's not an investigation anymore i guess they've charges criminal trial yeah proceedings proceedings uh they're restricted free agents as of now the nhl

is leaving it up to the individual clubs to decide whether to submit those players as a qualifying offer on july 30th if not they become unrestricted free agents betman is saying i'm leaving it with the teams i didn't even think of that and you know fascinating gary is being political about this the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want to make the decision for the teams because he's like i'm trying to let you do the the right thing and i'm gonna make you make that him commenting on it i thought was just a lot of word salad they're going to not sign the guy of course not they're all going to be free agents and then we'll watch how the trial plays out like that's how it's gonna end yeah so i didn't think it was too uh crazy of a big deal

and if one of them does end up doing the unthinkable then it will be unthinkable we will have to react to that play anyway yeah it doesn't it wouldn't make sense to sign rfas who can't play for you um yeah wow uh uh marty walsh says that the pa wants to focus its attention sooner rather than later on the next collective bargaining agreement current pact signed in 2013 and got extended over the pandemic uh expires at the conclusion of the 25 26 season him saying focusing in its attention to me means they're already focused on it marty walsh does stuff i'm still adjusting to it i like him good for him uh i already mentioned about the ltr thing and then people asked about stan bowman and joel quinville who have both requested reinstatement

from the nhl they were invited if you guys remember last september to talk to players not players coaches and general managers and team employees about what they've learned from the experience with kyle beach um betman says they are currently not eligible that's something i have to consider which to me says i'm i'm not even going to think about this until next year yeah i mean it's messy what what i would say is there are a lot of people who are like why haven't they been reinstated uh and growing numbers i would say are saying that yeah but But Gary Bettman is still like, again, completely just doesn't even seem to want to entertain the thought. I'm wondering what we don't know.

Yeah. Well, I think a lot. Yeah, we already know a lot. And you know what? We don't. I think ultimately right now it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. You got it based on what we know.

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to puff up the market on a player don't you do it uh and who isn't and in this particular case they don't really need to but the leafs are linked to the calgary flame no nope along with the ottawa senators no they're not and the new jersey devils i think the devils and senators actually are yes they are uh it is funny when dave nona shows up in a city how leaky those ships tend to oh isn't that weird isn't that weird but the leafs are apparently interested in jake marks no they aren't now now steve um i will mention that earlier this year and you can be forgiven if you don't remember this specific segment but we did talk about the fact gentlemen that uh the calgary flames seem to be the lead off of every single 32 thought segment on a hockey

night in canada yeah uh and that is because they were trying to puff up the market on their players yep and jake markstrom for my money can't go back to calgary he waived his no trade clause they blew the deal to new jersey and he was super pissed and that was very public i think that relationship is not irreparable but i think it should be probably close to over what's the issue steve well how much did you like nikita zadorov as a leaf well dan milstein was the guy that made me think zadorov was gonna be elite did you like him was he good did he bring a lot of snarl to the back end how much did you like chris tan of his leaf oh loved him yeah how much like elias who was a leaf loved him how much i mean linked to the leaves no but it's another former flame

um nope there's a ban i'm here veto gavel in my hand bank like you know how i banned uh gary betman from the show i banned him he's not allowed i i hereby ban anything linking any flames player to the leafs well i will band i am going to mention it cool and i'm gonna talk about the rumors banned over you i think the flames are calling everyone uh and they're speaking out of school and i don't think this comes from the leafs at all i think the flames are like the leaves are involved and they're using the leafs because uh it generates a ton of noise um they are never going to until they prove that they will until they prove that they will the calgary flames will never ever ever make a deal with bradshaw living the background on this the background on this is

bradshaw living resigned from the calgary flames they wanted to retain him um and apparently uh that pissed off don maloney who kind of runs things in calgary and uh i thought the gm ran things in calgary no the gm does not run oh they haven't fixed that little uh kerfuffle fix that little wrinkle don maloney would be the front office yeah so so that pissed him off and then they were like well you can't be there for the first round pick on the draft floor um and then i guess we're trying to use the leafs and this happens all the time in pro sports so i'm not really upset about it all the time uh where you know you use a team to make another team give you more but in in in actuality what happened with the flames and this is where it gets weird

is that the reported deal the package that the least were willing to offer for both tana and zadorov turned out to be more than what they got from dallas and vancouver right so the there's the price and then there's the leafs price nope done done any calgary uh just just like listen who is it it was pierre lebrun and elliot friedman yeah those guys are good those guys are good and they i they take the information they're given and they corroborate the information i think calgary's feeding everyone bullshit now one thing that seems a lot more likely and this is something i believe we brought up on the show before is goaltender laurent possois who's had a good who had a good year in vegas and then had a good year in winnipeg and jesse you i think we were talking

about it um it feels like it was like a week and a half ago um and you said you thought you liked this at the time if i'm not mistaken because you think that wool is going to be a guy who's going to play probably 45 50 games yeah i think i think that's the plan right i think the plan is not to have wall play 60 games or anything like that so you're if you trust joseph wall which i think the organization does all you need to do is bring in somebody to fill in the rest of the gaps and you just need a competent guy who's been a position before who can just hold the fort for the games where you don't you don't have wall starting i think it's a it's a simpler easier off season in net for the least than it appears on the surface okay brisoise are you giving well no i

got a point here oh this is why like when people bring up brossois they bring up stallers i'm like yeah those are good goalies but i don't think that's necessarily what you need how many games would joseph wall have to play to hit his professional career high probably like 30 uh so this year he played uh 25 games with the leafs then another three in the playoffs 28 and one with the marlies 29 oh played 21 with the marlies last year and seven with the leafs that's 28 previous year four with the leafs 15 with the marlies 19 year before 15 and his career high as a professional rookie in the 1920 season 32 okay so they need someone who can play at least 41 now but like the solution with joseph wall isn't to continue to play him 25 games i think

if this season he doesn't get injured he probably hits 40 plus i i agree with you i think they probably have the same similar plan going in so we should expect joseph wall to take at least 43 45 of those games he's got to take a step yeah yeah he's got to take a step and i think this year is going to be that year now brad trill living was quite public about the fact that they want to work with him on whatever it is that's leading these injuries is the training is this is it that and a lot of the time sometimes it can be like something stupid like change your stretching and then all of a sudden you don't run into the same issues sometimes your body's predisposed to it we're all built differently if you're up to and there's a second left just let

him score uh stop it breaks my heart uh he's just doing his job laurant the most games he's ever played is 24 with the 21 22 vegas golden knights he played 23 last year with the jets and one playoff game and the 23 he played this past year um 15 5 and 2 with a 0.927 save percentage and a two even goals against average that's ridiculous great numbers very good and incredibly good with the golden knights before uh similar numbers uh 927 save percentage in 22 23 only playing 11 games but remember eight games played in the playoffs uh so this is a this is a goalie who i think a lot of people would say this is a solid backup how old is he 31 31 and if you pair him mart apparently martin jones has room has desires to come back to toronto yeah okay so if you pair him with

you do with a three-way tandem a random a random um and you you have to put something in martin jones's contract that prevents teams you should put a six hundred thousand dollar bonus that's so ridiculous you gotta do that for the for the for the waiver date or whatever it is like october sixth or seventh or whatever it needs to be uh so that he makes it through waivers um and and here's the other one that i wanted to bring up because you know the leafs one of the things that a lot of people are saying they need is a goaltender um they could go and go get a guy like markstrom and he could be great or he could be bad markstrom and there have been some bad markstrom years miss the markstrom but if you have a guy like dennis hildeby who you probably

want to get some nhl action this year played 41 games with the the marlies 21 11 and 7 241 goals against average 1913 save percentage he was he had a very good rookie year is that what you want going into matthews and neilanders primes no but is that their best option gentlemen do you think that's the best path forward if that's how the season ends so be it uh can't be how it begins okay so you need you need either wall or you need another big acquisition you need depth yeah you need depth there like uh the well i was thinking the four those four guys are depth well the idea of um uh wool with uh like a brossois type and a jones yeah you could live with that i know everyone wants a bigger sexier name there the leafs don't really appear to be in the market

for a bigger sexier name but the leaves being in on markstrom also doesn't match what true living said at the end of the season at all now why do you say that uh because they talked about wool they want joseph wool to be the future because when he's healthy he's friggin good markstrom's got two years left on his deal does that not give wool a chance to fight him for that that that ice time adam your your logic is making sense there but it doesn't match what they said the flames are lying well until it might not be the flames that are lying it might just be reporting on like the leafs called and checked in because the leafs like to they should do their job and do their due diligence so maybe brad made a phone call to see like oh what's the markstrom stuff and people are

reporting that like the leafs aren't on markstrom when it's really just the general manager probably not even him like the agm calling and being like hey what's the sitch with markstrom yeah i believe they make i believe they had a conversation but i really i think the reporting has gone too far it's possible um i listen the lease and flames might make a trade um and if they do i'll eat my words and it'll be really funny it'll be a really funny bit for the show until then pants smoking on fire okay fair enough and i and and understandably so now the utah uh franchise smith entertainment group announced last thursday the choices have been narrowed down to blizzard mammoth outlaws venom yeti utah hockey club or utah hc gentlemen i need your top three give me

your top three picks of the six oh blizzard mammoth outlaws venom yeti oh my gosh utah hc what is it i need it again blizzard i'll text it to you how's that no just say it again i'm typing blizzard yeah like from like yeah uh mammoth yeti outlaws outlaws venom venom and you got yeti in there and then utah hc okay thank you number three outlaws i like outlaws no number three mammoth number two outlaws red dead big fan get it we should talk about that one day and number one yeti yeti i'm all in on utah yeti jesse blake yeti is number one easy number two hc i like it people don't like it i like hc number three is a close one but i think i'll go with blizzard i don't mind blizzard blizzard's kind of cool

plus it gives it great branding opportunities with uh dairy queen dairy queen it could be the queen center i ran into a listener once at uh dairy queen and i bought his cone oh that was nice of you man of the people just like if you run into me at a dairy queen i will buy your ice cream for you um camping out of the one by your house okay here's what we got here's what i think okay i'm gonna say i'm i'm with you guys i think yet he's number one yeah i think mammoth is number two and i think outlaws are number three and mine are solely based on uh the mascot because we have some good mascots in the east gritty i think is the best one gritty is the best mascot in the league we need some competition in the west um the the the scary you know nightmare cat that

the oilers have hunter hunter the nightmare he's terrifying he's scary freaking terrifying i what we need i'm thinking like monsters inc for the yeti you know that do you remember monsters inc where they actually go and they and they meet the yeti and he's feeding them snow cones and stuff like that oh yeah like you need something like that like that's like fun and big and crazy and whatever so i think uh uh yeti i can see mammoth i can see right that would be hilarious like like a snuffleupagus but a but a mammoth version and then outlaws uh because you know yeah cowboy two guns but the mammoth's nose is a hockey stick there you go okay i don't know that that seems like a really messed up i'm off of blizzard blizzards yeah no no i'm not doing blizzard

mammoth is my three you like this is too close to avalanche uh yeah i remember i thought about this before and i was like yeah no blizzard so uh what's the avs mascot again i can never remember uh a dog it's a saint bernard right do you remember the avalanche also had the uh yeti jerseys the foot what yeah it's the no they had a little guy like the yeti guy on the jerseys they have they had a third what yeah no yeah i'll show you they had a guy oh they did have a guy yeah you guys don't remember that yeah but he was like the abs yeti jersey when on earth did they wear that yeah hold on um oh and that's a concept isn't it look at the look at the other mascot too howler howler was a yeti dude oh howler bring back howler why

there's a thread on our colorado avalanche on reddit that says bring back how yes they're right how rules that's incredible look at that you guys like hockey oh and that's horny bernie's the bernie's the one right the burn of the dog yeah the st bernard yeah howler's way better uh yeah i agree well you know call yourselves the yeti then and then you could take howler yeah just call them up and be like you guys have that heller costume still right yeah if you don't want utah to call themselves the yeti because you had a heller guy whatever call yourselves the yeti if not quit your freaking whining there you go call around fair enough um a couple of things uh shark city hockey what is this shark city um

san jose sharks fans should expect macklin celebrini to return to boston university for his sophomore season now i can't tell i can't tell if this is intelligent negotiation for rookie bonuses uh or if he's serious about this uh he said it would be good so it would just give me a little bit more time to develop. There's never really shame or there's nothing wrong with just taking your time and improving, getting a little stronger, getting a little bigger, getting a little faster.

So I feel like in those ways, another year would benefit me to get more physically ready and just make sure I'm very fit and strong when I try to make that jump. I think there's a couple of things going on here. First off, rookie bonuses, make sure you get them, Macklin, okay?

Make sure you get them. Get them. Number two, the Sharks are doo-doo. They're bad. and why would he play for them right now they need to they need to assign some players that can play hockey and they putting Macklin Celebrini into that I'm sure the Sharks are on board with this sure they're like great cool we'll go back because we need another year we're not cooking don't let us cook how many wins did the San Jose Sharks have 14 I'm guessing that's your guess

jesse 12 let's get maddie in on it maddie how many wins did they have in the whole season yeah yeah like right i'm gonna go a little higher 13 13 12 13 and 14 which one is it okay so you're all wrong it's 13 hey sorry sorry my bad it's 19 you just said i obviously am not crisp today um holy shit just brutal today uh regulation wins they have what was i talking about i don't know oh no oh my god thank you for downloading the show today big piece of shit okay but no they had 14 regulation wins though um they finished last by a wide margin and they stunk they were really really bad so i so i don't think there's anything wrong with going back to one of the best

hockey programs uh you can play in as a teenager exactly uh along the shark city shark shark city uh joel pavelski will retire after 18 seasons notably and sadly without a stanley cup despite some great runs with the sharks and some great runs with the dallas stars it sucks dude it's hard it's hard i i keep saying this and i'll keep saying this and i wish other people would say it because i feel like it loses some of its meaning when it comes from a leafs fan um you shouldn't have to have a stanley cup to make it into the hall of fame no you know what i mean nope well i think we're gonna have to get to the point where you don't well i mean there was a class recently where none of the inductees had that was the turgeon one no it was the um both sedins

at luongo and i can't remember who else was in that class was it hank might have been lundquist might have been like those are all all timers um especially the goalies yeah and dude it's really really really incredibly hard here's what's nuts about pavelski retiring how many points did he have this year uh 50 50 jesse just to guess 5050 i will not judge either of you for not knowing this 65 67 wow 27 goals 40 assists now he didn't have a great playoff only four points in 19 games but this is a guy who played 201 games in the playoffs over his career had 74 goals i think i said this on the seizure show like last week that he's a hall of famer and then someone was mentioned they're like the the case isn't as clear as you think okay i

understand that he's he's one of the greatest american players ever so just in terms of like the hockey hall of fame aspect of you want people who are famous from hockey to be in the hockey hall of fame like there's notoriety there on his abilities but there's no individual trophies no um that which is a big thing uh never no stanley cup obviously and the points aren't like so high and above that he uh he's a lock for the hall of fame if you go to his goals total it's not even close to 500 how much is it no no it's close for 76 force okay 476 almost 500 career goal 600 assists 1332 games played okay 476 goals 592 is this 1068 points the for me the playoffs is what gets it done 201 games played 74 goals which is the top of his entire playing career

No one from the moment he stepped in the NHL until the moment he left had more playoff goals than him. 69 assists. Good. Nice. 143 playoff points. The individual trophies thing is fascinating. The guy I always use is Paul Correa.

I think the number is 800. No, 987 points in 987 games. something like that and the reason i use him is because meh like would he have had a better career if he never got injured yes yeah of course um he would have had over a thousand games in his sleep would have had over a thousand points in his sleep played in an era that was more difficult to score in um and was always one of the top guys he did have individual trophies i don't remember what they were i know he's got a bing in there um and i know his playoff totals didn't touch pavelskis so it's it's but he's in yeah i i personally think joe pavelsky should be a hall of famer

like i agree i'm giving the counter argument that i heard after i said on the cj show and some of the guys around him on all-time points if you look at it like john tavarez is gonna pass him like is john tavarez's current career a hall of famer claude geroux and he doesn't have close to the playoff resume that Pavelski does yeah Claude Giroux is at 72 Joe Pavelski is at 71 just for context um Ray Whitney is at 74 Keith Kachuk at 73 Joe Mullen 75 Eric Stahl at 76 so these this is kind of the area in terms of points all time that he's at here's the other difficult thing for the hall of fame conversation was Joe Pavelski ever the top player in the league no was he ever top five no no was he ever top 10 no but he might have been

in the playoffs every particular year so his top year he had 41 goals 79 points 0 50 goal season 0 50 goals was he ever top 20 yes i think you probably make the argument and like maybe it's peak season i don't know i don't have it in front of me like that sounds right well like this this is what i'm saying like you're it's the hockey hall of fame there should be a bar yeah like henrik lundquist never won the stanley cup did have the individual trophies was he ever the top goalie in the league well yeah of course um luongo same thing was he ever like top or in the conversation yeah paul korea was he ever the top player in the league or in the conversation was he ever a top five player in the league during his career yes he was he was pavelski who i will

still fight for tooth and nail in these discussions nope not really how many how many like 30 plus goal seasons did he have one two three four five yeah i i not i if you land on either side of this debate out there like if you're on he's not a hall of famer where he is i think there's a case for both sides and it just depends probably on the year yeah it depends on how you look at it in like the history of the hockey hall of fame and who should be admitted but if you don't think he is there's a solid case and if you do there is as well uh steve yes who is the best seventh round pick of all time i mean it's pavelski wait wait was he seventh or sixth seventh he was the seventh that's why i'm asking and i think i think pavel datzuk is another

zetterberg is oh it's zetterberg one of them was six and one of them was seventh i never remember guess who's got more points no wow he beat someone though like joe velsky just played longer right uh zetterberg played uh 1082 pavelski played 1300 yeah yeah but i mean but but a seventh rounder playing 1300 games oh yeah yeah and like there's another guy where like how many years out of their careers that overlapped was Pavelski better than Zetterberg never Zetterberg was crazy yeah and if you look at his playoff stats in 137 playoff games Zetterberg had 120 points so uh you're talking about and and but what I'm saying is that probably puts him second that's kind of an accomplishment oh of course here can I can I mess up the whole

conversation sure so pierre turgeon was inducted into the hall of fame 1294 games 515 goals more than pavelsky not much more 812 assists that's more um 1327 assists so he's got something like 250 points on him played half the playoff games at 109 97 points 35 goals didn't make it to half the playoff goals individual trophies one 93 lady bing like not but you know what i mean so like we that's you feels mean to diminish it feels mean to diminish but what's helpful for the hockey hall of fame discussion is somewhere you got to find the worst guy to make the hall fame yeah you know what i mean and it doesn't make sense and it's unfair to go back to like the 20s 30s and 40s right the 60s and 70s don't apply because those guys most of them didn't play

nearly as many games so you got to go to a guy like turgeon and go is there an argument that Pavelski was at least as good as Pierre Turgeon. To me, yes. Like, again, was Pierre Turgeon ever a top five player in the league? I don't think so. Was he ever top 10? Was he ever top 20? Okay, for how many years?

It's a fascinating discussion. The playoff resume really jumps Pavelski up, which is fascinating because he never won. Moving on to the PWHL for just a second here before we get to our segment with the founder of Pride Tape, which we're very co-founder, co-founder. Excuse me. I want to talk quickly about about Natalie Darwitz, who is a silver medalist at the Olympic Games, a bronze medalist at the Olympic Games and a three time gold medalist at the Women's World Cups when she played for the United States. She is also the first general manager to win the championship in the PWHL. And Jessie, she released a statement because she was let go right afterwards. Yeah, we can start with the statement and then we can get into the more details that have emerged over the weekend around this story.

And it's getting very juicy. So this was a statement she released over the weekend. And I would like to thank the State of Hockey for their support of PWHL Minnesota. As the general manager of the PWHL Minnesota, I gave my heart and soul to provide a first-class experience to the players, staff, and fans. My goal was to grow the game of women's hockey and to show young girls their dream could become a reality. I am very proud of the team and organization that was built and the championship we brought home to this great state of hockey. At this time, I am not able to provide any details regarding my departure. Thank you.

Interesting. As classy as you can do it, still want to know why she was let go. What do you got? So the story begins a week before the regular season was underway. The Minnesota team had a head coach. His name was Charlie Burgraff. and a week before the season he announced that he would not take the position anymore he would not be their head coach and they had interviewed a number of candidates and they brought in one of

the other candidates they interviewed his name was ken clee and that decision to bring in ken clee was not made by natalie darwitz the general manager because the league owns all of the teams and they made the decision hey charlie's dropping out we're bringing in ken clee and now he's like okay that's going to be our head coach and reportedly since he was named head coach and for the entire season there was a riff between ken clee and natalie darwitz they did not get along there was a lot of infighting it came to the point where uh some point near the end of the season the pwhl reached out to a mediator and they was a third party i should say and the third party said that they should solve this through mediation and the pwhl didn't want to go on that decision so

they made the decision to just remove natalie darwitz from her position they offered her something else within the league but it came to the point where they couldn't work together anymore so supposedly that's that's the case and uh there's getting you're getting some quotes from people some some some angles from people within the team as well because kendall coin coin scofield is the captain of minnesota and she was a large reason that the league exists you know she was she was in the building of the league and she has reportedly taken the side of ken clee and that she's been giving him credit for building this team and all of their success and winning the championship and it seems like the league is sided with uh kendall and ken and they've decided to

move away from darwitz now we don't know what they fought about we don't know what the riff was but from day one and throughout the season this existed and they moved on from natalie for that reason wow why have general managers if you're not gonna let them hire the team's coach like listen hindsight is 2020 they won the championship i mean i don't know if he's the best coach in the league he did something right former leaf by the way can't clean um he must have done something right um so did kendall and so did the whole team they won the freaking championship but um i gotta tell you i hate this i hate this a lot um we like for years and years you know we would talk about the cwhl and uh we would talk about whatever name the nwhl was by the end um do the

changed their name like it was so many times they changed it once and these guys hate each other and these guys hate each other and no we don't hate each other and there's this riff and there's that riff and the day before the clarkson cup is awarded in ottawa the nwhl um steals all the women's hockey headlines by announcing that they're going to expand into toronto and montreal um and you know all we i feel like when we talked about these topics on our show it was very often with an air of this is juicy for sure and we got to talk about it it's hot gossip and all that but like this friggin sucks like i don't know what this does to advance the women's game and now here we are in this season that's been such a huge victory for the sport and minnesota wins

and it's such a huge victory for them and for the sport and we're like what a week two weeks out and this is what we're talking about well and it's just frankenstein's monster i don't see it that way i don't see it that way at all i disagree with you on that and i'll tell you why i'll tell you why because it still is a great story and sure it doesn't mean they have the championship taken away totally understand that totally get that and i i think my point here is that i think this sets us up for uh her to make a comeback elsewhere clearly they removed they they had to separate the two you know it's like you know and and so um where's she gonna go the league gaster well i that that's a good point but i don't think that that necessarily means that um that that she

can't get a job at the league they were very clearly willing to retain her for something else right they offered her they offered her the so the opportunity so the way i look at it is um she may get another shot at this and that'll make things even juicier and the the the thing is is that they obviously went to the players and said what do you suggest we do here you know there's an issue and it seems like as jesse pointed out that the players said we like the coach yeah and fine you know they deal with the coach on a regular basis i mean you just won it's it you know what i think this is part this is a problem when you have a league that owns all the teams that that's a problem of course and right now you know obviously they kind of have to do these

things this way because it's early but i look at this and i and i think she'll be back and she'll be she'll be gm and somebody else and i think it'll be very very interesting when they meet in the playoffs oh man i don't think she'll i would love that i don't think she'll be gone long you know because why if you were willing to move her to another position within the league clearly you like this person uh clearly the situation can't continue the way it is because it's got to a level of this is not going to work anymore but i don't think that means she's out of the league i just think that means she didn't want to do whatever they offered her and she's going to wait for the next gm post is it one of those things where like the gm hires the coach

but there wasn't ample time to do it so the league is like all right we'll do it for you and it's this guy and oh no they hate each other yeah i don't know you know and sometimes it's like with great bands right sometimes people just are oil and water and they work together for a certain amount it's often the most successful great bands that can't stand each other and and and really you hear and they all got along there's a friction that creates this great thing that happens and in this case they win a championship so i mean she's still a championship general manager uh-huh i I don't know. I wonder what her future is with the league now that she because some of the reporting Michael Russo went on a podcast called Sunday Sermons, and he spoke a little about it because he's been doing some research on that.

And he said that she feels Natalie feels backstabbed, backstabbed by the situation. OK, the league made a decision to hire to choose Ken over her and and for everybody to dissolve the situation. And I want to read this quote here, Jacob Laurie Vier. I'm not saying that correctly. um do you want to take a stab at the french last name but jacob had a quote from michael russo from the podcast that i think adds to the context of the story uh russo said what's interesting here when the team is hiring the investigator and the investigator develops a finding it's still up to the team to decide what to do and that's the case here as well what i understand is after talking

to many sources is the consulting firm advised that this is not the first time in professional sports that there's been dysfunction in an organization which i think we should all understand um the consulting firm said let's mediate this out and it was decided at the end of the year not to do that we're still only getting one side of the story and i've talked to a couple players in the team that are very pro darwitz four players on the team that we know were on the other side clearly um we're getting one side here it's a very bizarre situation it's clear kendall has a lot of power both in the league and with the team she had a baby right before the season went on maternity leave came back called lines on the bench she had a lot of

power for a player on the team she's very pro kendall ken clee and holds a lot of power with the league and had her hands in with this so it's a very sticky situation it sounds like they couldn't resolve these two individuals who didn't get along all season long and with all of this mess going on they still won a championship so yep i don't know credit to them for doing that it's kind of a great story yeah i wish it were documented now here's the thing i want to watch this there are two outcomes here right because minnesota was the fourth best team out of four to be in the playoffs right they go and they miss the playoffs next year let's say new york gets their act together and they and they push them out doesn't natalie look really good

well now the opposite side of that can be true too what if they repeat what if they were without her that result can so i think all that this is what i love about sports is that kind of stuff it's like well what are we gonna who's gonna come out here looking good all right who's gonna look like the genius you turn me this rules i think i think the perspective that oh this is so bad for the league and all that stuff like take a step back like if there's controversies in the nhl every hour like what like what like the entire show is based on let's let's chill here for a second on on diminishing what they did this season on having a very successful league uh that they got underway in six months and it was a complete success and these things are going to happen and

it just adds to the lore of the story and these teams and these individuals that we want to follow and the only reason we're talking about this because we care about this league now yeah exactly it's not like the end of the world that oh my gosh two people didn't get along it's it's actually kind of fun and it adds to the story imagine they'd all got along and how boring that would be yeah it's draft day is the draft not today yeah is it not today june 10th like yep this is fucking exciting yeah no this rules this rules i changed my mind this rules hey that's what that's what discussion shows are for now we're going to bring on one of the co-founders of pride tape jeff mclean to talk a little bit about pride tape obviously so let's bring jeff on two and five

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Starting with just $1 all day, every day Now until December 31st You gotta try breakfast at A&W At participating A&W locations in Ontario We're so excited to welcome Jeff McClain Who is the founder of Pride Tape onto the show Jeff, thank you Joining us from a hotel room in Seattle

Now, you're there for a Pride hockey tournament this weekend, correct? Or it was this weekend, this past weekend? Yeah, that's correct. I came in on Friday, and it wrapped up yesterday afternoon with their all-star game starring Andrew Ferentz and Luke Prokop as the captains. But it was an amazing tournament. Andrew Ferentz is one of those guys that has always been a community involvement guy. Since the second he showed up in Edmonton, he was like that, right? He was that kind of guy in Boston as well.

How big is it to have former NHL players like him, you know, oiler captain, and I know you're a big oiler guy. And future. And Luke Prokop. And Luke Prokop. What's it like to have those guys at a tournament like this? It's really, it's everything. Andrew was involved with Pride Tape from the very beginning

when it was just still an idea on paper. He was captain of the Oilers. He came into the office. We told him about the idea and he said, whatever you need. uh i'm in so uh so he's he's been a big part of our team uh since the very beginning and luke uh family friend actually so uh very small world but luke is just one of the best people you can meet and uh got to hang out and watch the oilers game with him the other night uh at the crack and ice plex so that was uh enjoyable but very cool yeah having the pros involved uh the visibility for

the community means so so much well and and i just i want to say this i'm looking at an article from you on nhl.com from june 22nd 2022 okay okay and we're i'm looking at this and you it's a very eloquent article talking about the importance of pride tape and why it's here and uh you know the goal of at that point producing 10 000 rolls of pride tape uh and all the other things that go with it. In between that and now, we have seen the NHL roll back any sort of, I wouldn't say commitment, because that doesn't seem fair, but they were against, and this was a major issue earlier this season, any sort of, they call them political stances, right? Anything, no jerseys, no tape, no nothing, and then you have a guy like Travis Dermott come out and use it anyway.

uh how have you reacted to the shifts from the nhl who were uh for so long quite behind all this and then all of a sudden real swift swift change last year and then the reaction of the players well we we have had and have an amazing team at the nhl that's been working with us since the beginning and if it if it wasn't for the i often tell as many people that will listen And if it wasn't for the NHL, we would not exist. The Edmonton Oilers basically put us over the hump for our Kickstarter campaign. Brian Burke and his family, again, were instrumental in Pride Tape becoming a reality. And all the way along, we've been working with and have some incredible friends that work at the NHL and all 32 clubs, actually, that have been with us since the beginning.

uh we knew when what went down at the beginning of the uh the year um that we were we were going to come out of it thanks to so many people that care so much so uh including you mentioned travis uh it's been very cool that you know travis has been reaching out uh to me personally through text message when he was in toronto with the leafs and then and then when he went to vancouver and then to the coyotes he would he would send me a note uh saying you know could you send me some tape to the house because i want to use it every game and just in case it gets lost in the in the bowels of the arena somewhere i just want to make sure that i have it so uh he reached out at the beginning of this season and and as as he did every year and simply said you know can you

send me some more tape so that i can have it and i i had mentioned to him that the day prior um that it looked like there was going to be a ban and and he simply said well i still want to use it on my stick and let's see what happens but again i i stayed in conversation again with all of our friends at the league and then the you know the the day that the ban happened uh teams reached out immediately and said well you know we'll figure this out and we'll use the tape in some fashion uh important to note that even before the seattle kraken were in the league and and the and the vegas golden knights i mean they reached out even before they they iced a team in the league they reached out and and requested the tape so that they could use it in their kids programs in

the summer so we've had support from all 32 clubs right from the very beginning and right right since the kickstarter campaign so uh that was looking like it was going to continue in some fashion we just didn't know uh how and and for how long and and uh thankfully teams reached out right away. And it was 10 days in October where there was a misstep. But I think everybody realized the importance of this symbol of inclusivity. And again, other pro leagues around the world, like in the UK and Australia and elsewhere, and not to mention all the minor hockey league support we have and with the CHL here in Canada, the junior ranks. Again, everybody has been so incredibly supportive and they were going to continue to be so. So we weren't phased

at all to be completely honest with you the moment travis dermot went on the ice with the pride tape and broke all the rules it was the first player to use it after the supposed ban do you did you know it was coming where were you did you know that moment was happening then what was the reaction afterwards well i mean when i you know when he asked for the tape and we sent it out to him uh you know he had mentioned in a text that he was he was going to use it and uh we were i guess a little nervous i mean we didn't want to obviously get him or or any of the teams or even the league in any kind of trouble but uh even at that point it was a bit of a you know moving target where i think every day you know people were trying to figure out what what in

fact was really happening so it was you know it was shifting sands and and then you know immediately other teams and other players started reaching out and and and people just wanted to figure it out and solve it and uh we were glad that that 10 days later i got a while i was working away in my i quote my my day job my real job i got a text message uh from a friend at the league that said you know it's been it's been overturned and and then uh i think scooped uh about 45 minutes later and and uh you know we just we got out there and started talking to everybody all over the world i mean all the major news outlets were calling and i was uh i just happened to be down in grimsby at my parents' house for, uh, Canadian Thanksgiving and, uh, taking calls, uh, from again, every,

every major publication, even outside of sports. And, you know, while my dad was sitting over next to me in his lazy boy chair going, who's calling now, you know, CNN or ESPN. And he's like, what's going on? And I just said, go up, go up on your computer and Google pride tape. And, uh, and you find out and then and then later on having dinner with my parents are like wow there's there's a lot going on right now isn't there and i said a little bit a little bit so it was it was it was really fun and and and interesting but again thanks to the support uh grassroots support and all up through the ranks uh we were we were always uh very optimistic when all that you know kind of controversy kicked off last year i i think it was easy to feel like things were going backward

a little bit and it's not my place to say if things are going well or going poorly or anything but when you mentioned the kickstarter it kind of took me back uh because like i i forgot about the humble beginnings uh of pride tape so can you can you talk about the the progress that's been made since you began this initiative well it's it's there's been a lot of storytelling and and certainly involved in a lot of it this weekend here at Seattle Pride Classic and getting to talk to to fans and to you know to rec hockey players about what it means to them is is really really moving to hear all of their stories over the years. But, you know, one of the stories that I like to tell is we didn't really know what, you know, all the way along, like what was going to

happen and who was going to adopt it and pick it up and run with it. But from the very beginning, working with the NHL, getting the tape out there to all teams, every team requested it right from the very beginning um they started sending us some videos and i think it was kevin hayes when he was with the rangers i believe um but there was a video of of of him in the dressing room and he was all by himself there was low lit in the room and all you could hear on the video was the unfurling of the tape onto his stick and you know to be honest with you like hadn't really thought about that in particular. I mean, we knew that we wanted tape versus jerseys or armbands or helmet decals, mainly for the sole reason that those things have been done before. And we wanted

something that was individualistic, you know, that was, and we all know that the ritual of putting one's tape on is very personal. So we thought, here's an opportunity where someone can speak out and speak up for inclusion without even using words so the power of kevin using the tape on a stick and wrapping the tape that's really when it hit us to go okay here's where the power lies where the individual like whether it was kevin or or scott lawton or travis or curtis or anyone throughout the years saying that this is important to me uh one of the one of the cool things that that Andrew has shared with us all the way along this process to, you know, he mentioned to me even this weekend again,

it's like what's cool about pride tape is everybody has a different relationship with it and a different reason for, for why they may be using it. And, you know, so, so from the beginning, again, sometimes we would run up against maybe some red tape because, you know, some of the organizations we're dealing with are very big and you got to be respectful of that, But we would just go back to our roots and go back to the grassroots and minor hockey, which was always our intention.

To be perfectly honest with you, we didn't really think that maybe the NHL would want to be involved at the beginning just because, you know, they're so big and we never really thought of it. And it was always to get it out through minor hockey and grow it organically. But soon as the NHL heard about it, they called us up and just said, you know, whatever you're doing, we want to be involved. And they've been that way since the beginning. But but seeing these players at any level, pro or or grassroots, putting it on their stick is is really and then sending that message often without using words is is is really where the power lies. We believe pride tape dot com if you want to get yourself a role. And by the way, pride tape is for more than just hockey sticks. I'm looking at the the front page here.

You got of your website. You got it on lacrosse sticks. We got it on baseball bats. Jeff McClain, thank you so much for taking the time to join us. And thank you for your continuing work. Are there any sort of things that we should promo for you right now that really kind of set us like, you know, what's what's the goal this year? What are you pushing towards this year? Well, firstly, thank you so much for having me.

It's a, it's a real, it's a real thrill to be on and upcoming again here in Seattle. We're talking with our friends at the NHL about other events that are coming up. Uh, one in Toronto later this year and, and, and other NHL events and also grassroots events. You mentioned other sports, uh, we're working with baseball, we're working with lacrosse and curling and other sports too. Um, so yeah, there's, there's, there's always lots happening. we work it from the corner of our desks we have our day jobs that are really

important to us but thankfully we have all the people out there that want to use the tape they're doing all the hard work so going on to Instagram and posting your pictures of Pride Tape and tagging us is really helpful to get the message

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