The Steve Dangle Podcast - I Was WRONG About Ingram | May 9, 2022

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

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Woo! S-D-P-P. The Steve Dangle Podcast. with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Hey, question for you. Yeah? Did we all forget Friday happened?

Yo, I was actually going to open the show with that. I can't believe both games three and four happened since our last show. They did. And it's the tale of two cities. It's two very different outcomes. Oh, Mark Twain. Yeah, there you go. It was the best of times.

It was the blurst of times. Yeah. mark twain mr birds i gotta tell you a monkey the that's true actually it wasn't mr you're right you're right the gritty game the leafs won on friday seems to have completely erased itself uh to all the reporters and all the fans of leafs nation um in in 48 hours and i don't know how that's possible listen i want to remind you of something before we get into this yeah what you know who's also tied to two is tampa almost everyone almost literally everyone and need i remind you that at the recording of this podcast florida is down two to one and so is calgary

the series there's a reason why in my bracket i picked them all basically to go to five or sorry six or seven games yeah and and the only one it looks like that won't which is colorado yes the nhl playoffs it's usually six or seven games because these teams are very evenly matched because they manage to manufacture a parody into the league the only person on planet earth who i saw had the leafs winning this series in less than six games was producer drew and he said leafs in five that's him trolling he's i think it's him trolling and also he's wrong now he's officially wrong so but a lot of leaf fans were like you know what it's gonna be tight but i think they can do it i think they can do it in six or seven and now that it's here like game four

happened there's going to be a game five and six guaranteed and pretty likely a seven i think now that it's actually here no one wants to know how the sausage is made yeah to get to six games you need to lose three you know you or to get to seven you need to lose three at minimum you know and the guy who wears two though the six you're not wrong you could be up yeah the guy who freaks out and wears a heart rate monitor for your entertainment is here to say calm down so this is the thing that's enough so what i think people are asking and rightfully so which leafs are the leafs are the friday leafs the leafs or the sunday leafs the leafs they both are yeah which which are the lightning no but but i think you know what i'm talking about in the

context of history sure the sunday leafs are more what we're used to seeing in previous years right that's what that's why people instantly go to the worst imaginable place i saw some crazy takes online last night i've seen people say blow it up dubas is gone matthews was selfish for getting 60 goals yes i did see that from a leafs fan i i cannot begin steve always says this when you say can i believe can you believe i saw this on the internet yes yeah of course of course there's so many people but there's so many people but we are tied 2-2 with the defending champions now a lot of people didn't like the way the Leafs lost last night line one they played line two poopy now there's a couple of reasons for that but that's three line four you didn't have to

yeah yeah even even comps line wasn't great oh my god no um but let's start with the non-option pairing that was immediately clear from the first minute last night that's enough well okay i told so this is what bothers me all right it's what bothers me there are and i was i was going back and forth with steven birch today a little bit too there are a lot of metrics that say justin hall is an effective nhl player yeah xg and one for sure and and i'm not going to try to take that away but what i would say is that of all the definitive NHL defensemen the Leafs have, he's the seventh best.

Well, I seem to remember Dermott doing really well in those numbers too. And what if Sheldon Keefe just deploys his third pairing really cleverly? You know what I mean? Oh, Lilligren's numbers are great. Well, he was also on the third pair. You know, like what if...

I know they're poor in this series, but to me that's four games. Right. And I think from the first minute, you see why Justin Hall five on five is sort of a non-option because you could start you start your defensively your best line

which is the comp line with Mikheyev and you start probably the defensive line that you're most worried about which is Giordano Hall right away and the problem with that is that Stamkos and Ross Colton are on the other side and see they weren't

Stamkos got on via a line change so Tampa had a game plan and this is where John cooper fed keith his lunch a little bit so islanders game uh to end the season so that's only like seven games ago islanders get it deep ross johnston goes around the net crushes mark giordano the lightning look at that and they go that looks like fun and they do almost the exact same thing they get it deep ross colton goes and gets giordano nails him tampa is able to get reinforcements over the board i know they got at least kutrov and stamkos they put pressure on

sustained pressure on that pair who didn't get a chance to change and they got scored on hall coughed the puck up and then screened campbell i did see the argument no it wasn't that he coughed it up he gave it away he gave it away because there's no reason for him to make that play well the the reason is kasha should be available there as anthony petrelli uh pointed out today on twitter and i think it's a good point but he should be available he isn't so don't throw it he isn't right yeah like or glassing out or behind the net or anything would have been better than what he did now i've never played hockey with nikita kucherov barreling down yeah it's true i suppose it's i suppose it's terrifying but i mean what why then is that pair out there

to start the game. With that play, when an NHL team scores on another NHL team, there's a number of things that go on that happen that lead to the goal because goals usually are caused by mistakes. Team failure. And in that moment,

the forecheck by Tampa was incredible, as you described it. Them coming out right away, having a game plan on literally the puck drop. It was fantastic to see them getting the line change, getting the stars out there. That's what allowed them to pick up the puck after that strong forecheck.

hall not having kasha was definitely a thing like kasha was in the wrong position having the breakout he left the zone way too aggressively left and wasn't looking no and wasn't looking for the pass at all but and then hall's decision making on that play to still try and feed him the puck or feed the puck wherever he was trying to go with it was awful there's like eight different micro things that happened in that one play but you can break it down to hey that was a bad decision you guys need a better game plan and everything there by the least was underwhelming well but but this is the thing is that this is this is what people have been complaining about where the apprehension with justin hall comes from yes those micro things are gonna happen that's hockey hockey

is chaotic you're gonna hockey is literally mistake mistake mistake oh i got that right and scored a goal right that's literally how the game works like the second goal that's one of those ones where you go fuck my life yeah yeah the muscles play 100 like but but this is shitty so so this is my problem okay so yeah the refs are calling a lot more penalties this series so you're literally playing a guy nothing to do quote unquote penalty kill specialist bullshit i don't think so i think i think steve you nailed it at the end of the show uh last week or the end of the leaf segment last week on friday when you said he's won a cup he won a memorial cup with with justin hall called it called a cup he won one with lilligren too but lilligren

like there there is no arguing here lilligran's a better fit on this defensive line right now and and don't tell me the penalty kill which was this the best part about the leafs play in their first win needed justin hall you have six guys who can do it last night they went one uh for eight on the power play tampa their penalty kill was incredible last night is the the lease had eight power are you sure you're not talking about the last two games no it was last night they'd eight penalties holy shit really and and uh jesus that's gotta be the only goal there was the five three was i think i'm talking about the last two last two games that last two games the only goal in the last i'm looking at the five on three yeah so the least penalty kill did do well but is that

enough you know no no no jesse's right yeah that was all last game i'm not like one yeah they last There was eight penalties by the Leafs. Tampa went one for eight, and the only time they scored was on the five on three. The Leafs' penalty kill was absolutely fantastic last night. But that's not Justin Hall alone. It wasn't all Justin Hall. That's on the coaching staff creating a great penalty kill. But if Justin Hall is a key part of that,

and they feel that, I understand the argument having him out there. Because that one for eight is not insignificant. Right, well, he stopped it from being six or seven to three, rather than, oh, it was seven to three. I'm just going to have my phone out. Because I just want to see the fireworks when it's announced that Sheldon Keefe in Game 5 is going with the right side of Brody, Lilligren, Hall. Over Giordano? No way.

No, sits Labushkin. Well, there have been. Who was? Yeah, I think he's had some struggles. The right move from Keefe is to not be bullied by the media to try and get to Benji. I'm bullying. Put Lilligren back in. Steve Simmons last night probably put Justin Hall into the lineup.

No hyperbole. No hyperbole. so you can't go out for it hold on before you get it down before you get into breaking it down play the clip so that there's context right and then get into it guys by the way i never heard confirmation that it was simon apparently it was i don't know okay it's an interesting i mean if the shoe fits this is an interesting way to ask a head coach a question just let's just put it that way before we do you need the uh do you need it i got it i got it here start your worst defense in a building

knowing it was going to be this loud and this great? Who's our worst defenseman? Justin Moore. That's your opinion, I guess. John, why would you start your worst defenseman in a building

knowing it was going to be this loud and this great? Who's our worst defenseman? Justin Moore. That's your opinion, I guess. Also, he didn't say Justin Hole. Yes.

did you hear that underratedly the most insulting part of that question is not calling him the worst defenseman on the leafs it's not knowing his fucking name it's justin hall it's been justin hall for several years now listen i don't disagree with with his assessment i don't think justin hall is if sandin's playing i don't think justin hall's in the top seven but i i do say i i do think it was a bit of an aggressive way to go at the question it seems like well yeah because he's trying to get on he's trying to be the story rather than letting the question be the story how he's not going to answer that especially when you put it that way

and by asking that question in that way now Keith has to play Justin Hall I don't think so yes he does they don't care about what's the storyline if he benches them who cares who cares if you win if the Leafs care about that then then just

fuck it so cares when five and six and go home if they care about that just surrender game five and six and go home I don't think they can care about that I was i was in a group chat last night and they were arguing about um like what what purpose does that question serve it's a bad question how do you even write around that question and i disagreed with the idea that it was a bad question because you can easily write around that you can easily

write around that and the way i did it in the lfr is sheldon keith said he's the worst defenseman by benching him in game one of this series and in game two and the ensuing benching or scratch sorry that's going to happen in game five that's what i said i wondered too when we're talking about like i know that uh muzzin and brody have had some good numbers together but riley brody was they've had good numbers uh but i to me riley brody was solid last year i don't know can you not manage labushkin's minutes a little bit better and bring him further down in the lineup is there a different way to deploy him to make him more effective because he's obviously not the greatest puck mover people are getting on him a little bit and i think rightfully so the

first couple of games i thought he was good and then he was getting in the like offensive play and setting people up for goals and that sort of thing but at the end of the day it does see labushkin was not acquired to be the guy that played with morgan riley well here's the question are we galaxy bringing this a little too much maybe because you know how many lineup changes like literally line switches tampa has made in four games one one they took out yan ruda for game two and they put in Zach Bogosian and he's never come out line one has not changed two three four pair one two three nothing has changed not a thing and the Leafs are like juggling and they got this amazing Jenga thing going on and Tampa hasn't had to make a single adjustment in the

lineup all their adjustments have been the players playing differently Sheldon Keefe is tinkering way too much especially in game I don't I don't need Kerfoot on the first line because you think it's gonna be more defensive just play bunting you do that you do that what's the point of the 82 games of the regular maybe maybe he needed the rest bunting maybe bunting's hurt and yeah i don't know yeah but what's the point of the 82 games it wasn't that the time to figure out the lines why do we have why do we have to eight different line combinations in game in the playoff i think game five he needs to go back to the way he started the series bunting on his in his usual spot uh i want to see kerfoot with tavaris and who did they have kerfoot tavaris kasha you could

do and then willie camp engvall no mckay mckay i'm sorry engvall on the oh yeah where do i put engvall on the fourth oh boy yeah that is a bit of a tough one but i want to put clifford in the line i want to put some meat in there oh boy well you can't do can't do engvall spezza clifford yeah you could or engvall spezza simmons engvall blackwell simmons actually oh blackwell more I wish he just set it up like an NHL 22 game. Set your lines and just have them play. Yeah. Why couldn't he do that?

I greatly appreciate how differently the Lightning have played game to game while changing nothing about the actual composition of the roster. Because they know. They know these guys play well with these guys, and we just go out there and we do it. One of the things that's also getting a lot of play here is the lack of ice time and the lack of rhythm to ice time for Austin Matthews. You said, Jesse.

Get out of the fucking box! Well, eight minutes of penalties, or eight minutes, 16 minutes in penalties, the Leafs. More than that, a couple of doubles. Oh yeah, okay.

So eight penalties total is what I'm going to say. We'll leave it at that. Austin Matthews is also not starting the games. And this was something they talked about in the intermission show last night,

which you would have missed, Steve, because you're streaming. But I think last night they started with the conf line, then went Tavares, then went Matthews. And they were showing clips about how they,

the theory is that he looks a little uncomfortable because he's not playing as much as he's used to, which I can understand if that's the case. Kelly Rudy talked about how when he played with Gretzky in LA, Barry Melrose used to like to put out this guy. I'd never heard of the guy, the second line center, Conacher. And then finally the team said, can you just start Gretzky?

And he did, and Gretzky took off. And like, it's one of those, just start the game with your best center. Not Corey Conacher. Sorry, you're talking about Gretzky. yeah so talking about a guy who played like six years ago no no we're talking about yeah not former lightning cory connor my bad um we're talking about i had the lighting on my mind i'm sorry so so i think that's another one i think if we're going to question anything i i understand at when you're away i understand starting with uh a defensive line because you maybe want to try to get matthews away from the line matches that he's had but at the end of the day if he's your best

player is your best fucking player play him cooper played home ice masterfully on that first shift he's okay led to a goal yep they're gonna expect us to start our top line and we will i'm not and i'm gonna get them out oh no oh because they did that switch they did they didn't start their top but that's how well they played it like a thief in the night and they just left and like they got a lucky bounce on the second goal and then morgan riley lost a game of know where the puck is to patrick maroon and that's two goals from the fourth line now like it's not like tampa's overpowering braid point nikita kutcher great point was it was basically a non-factor to last thing yeah like it's not like tampa's superstars are caving the leafs in that was just it was just

a really really poor game and can i say uh the willie food poisoning story i don't buy tell me they look the whole team looked so slow last night um i kind of think there have been a lot of stomach bugs going around the gta and i kind of think i kind of wonder i just wonder if some of them are ill like because they looked terrible like that's that's the slowest they've looked since game five against montreal last year like just totally unprepared for the start of the game zero speed zero effort that nylander play going around where he gives up on the puck in the corner is the one on the uh what was a dump in or it was going to be an icing uh i don't think it was going to be an icing it was um no it was a 50 50 puck right right that he had a great shot at

and he bailed yeah because who was barreling down on him i forget who cares i forget there's no excuse so like but but what did the leafs do honestly because the thing that's killed the leafs is there is tampa's four check when they have when they haven't played in the two games they've lost the one thing that's so noticeable is how hard tampa 4 checks them it's yeah leafs have had an impossible time getting out of their own zone or did last night yeah anyway with the with the austin matthews thing he brought up about uh that they talked about during intermission i brought that up on friday when we're talking about john tavarez and i was like he hasn't played enough time on five five he couldn't have enough time to get things going that was kind of my excuse for

him and then it was funny to see them do that during intermission for the excuse for matthews he couldn't keep it going but to me that all all boils down to is the amount of dumb penalties they're taking like if the guys if your stars can't get it going because you're always on the penalty kill stop taking eight penalties in one game why is spets out there taking bad penalties like yeah everybody simmons everybody who can't be taking penalties is out there taking penalties on non-play the leaf step is killing them it's killing a great point it's it's killing them and last night it provided Tampa with two goals so

I also want to say that William Nylander got torched by the TNT broadcast or TBS did you say did you guys see this no I didn't so scored two goals but it was five nothing so Matthew's head man to puck to him and he's going right into the zone and Eric Cernak is

is that was what we were just talking about okay so I was looking at something else the reason I wanted to bring the reason I got distracted if I can tell you I was going to save this till later in the show but I want everybody to know I was distracted for good reason. Pierre Maguire has been fired by the Sens.

What? That just happened this morning. I'm just letting you know that Pierre Maguire held on to the coach. That's why I got distracted so I figured we'll bring that up later.

So that's why I missed that. Because we didn't have the details on the Willie thing. We were just trying to do it from memory. So it was Willie. So he's head manned

the puck from Matthews and he loses the puck just as he hits the blue line. Now I could have given you the clip but we can't write it on the show. Poor CJ. I know.

It's fucking crazy. He's in the air. Sorry. One more little break. I'm so sorry but he recorded an addendum for the Barry Trott stuff like at the airport and now they're firing me oh poor CJ

and Julian man so to start again Matthews headmans the puck to Willie, Willie loses it at the Tampa Blue line, Eric Cernak is bearing down on him and Willie holds up which sometimes he does because he believes he can probably

steal the puck back rather than take the hit but the TNT broadcast said they would have benched him for the rest of the game Oh, I did hear that. It doesn't look good. Yeah, it was also Riley who passed on the ball. Oh, it was Riley? I thought it was Matthew's head.

I think he makes a miscalculation here. I don't think it's sloth. I think he's going, all right, how much time and space do I have here? And then the puck got away from him. I don't know if it's necessarily laziness. I think he just fucked up the calculation. And I'm not trying to blindly defend Nylander, but sometimes what he does is if he knows somebody's going to try to hit him,

he pushes the puck out of the way of where he is and then switches directions very quickly the person has to miss the check and miss the puck and then he goes around that's normally what he does he almost goes around the puck with no one on, sorry, goes around the net with no one on

we've seen him do that a million times it's not like, you know what I mean I look at that and I'm like, ah of all the things to criticize, I don't think that's the thing it's so the streams have given me so much more appreciation for how difficult it is to analyze things on the fly because that's exactly the sort of thing like i i obviously

didn't see that replay last night but they didn't play it on sportsnet oh okay well i would have lost my mind and gone willie what the like you need more than this and now i watch it and i'm like uh it's just a it's a it's not him giving up on a play it's a bungle play it screams to me it's a mistake yeah but it's but it screams to me easy fodder for the fans to just yell at william nylander yeah like i don't think this this isn't a play that we should be micro analyzing because he makes this he makes the smart decision there like i don't know eight times out of ten occasionally it looks kind of like this and chernak comes up with the puck but like most of the time willie's making the right play in the corner there i don't like the singling out of

willie tavaris hall even because the team was so bad everybody was ass everyone was ass and i don't know how do you get your team to just stop taking fucking penalties like yeah it's tampa tampa's doing an amazing job of drawing them brandon hagel's brandon hagel's drawn like five penalties in this year yeah i was told not to worry about brandon hagel by leaf fans before the series oh when the hell he was he his numbers are poor like they were because he doesn't need to score in tampa he's like he's only got three goals in 15 games because he's not in chicago They didn't get him for the ring. When Hagel was chirping at the end of the game,

he had a smile on his face. I loved that. Why didn't Engvall go him? That made no sense. I don't know. A guy half your size challenges you to a fight and you're getting your ass kicked in? Take that!

He was Joker laughing in his face. Yes! Take that! Oh my god, Pierre! Listen, if you grab him and ragdoll him we all get to talk about you like you're this bastard villain he dropped his gloves in your face this is a guy that has been torching your team you're getting killed by the amount of penalties you're taking and no one's drawn more than him he drops his gloves he gives you an open invite and you don't take it learn something about the friggin playoffs are you serious

did the refs jump in too soon no you're a giraffe reach around them because they're holding each other Henkel drops his gloves and he's like alright let's go and the refs get right in there you have a license to beat the brakes off of one of Tampa's

most effective players and you don't take it well if you don't want to fight the other thing you can do is just grab them and hold them maybe try to wrestle them get one get wild but if that's not option or if you're not comfortable or whatever because listen i don't think i've ever seen pierre angle fight anyone he hasn't well have you seen brandon hagel fight

anyone i don't know playoffs get comfortable jesus are you serious do you want to win this or not like okay you know we we've talked a lot about like head injuries and stuff and fighting and its future in the game listen if fighting was gone tomorrow you would get far less protest for me than most people who rant about hockey for a living but as long as it's here and the guy is the aggressor drops his gloves in your face and you're looking down at him like this a solid seven inches rsvp that invite are you serious i'm gonna glue your mic to the table yo man the guy with the subwoofer subwoofer guy you're gonna have to replace it at this point use the gloves pierre use the glue that uh pierre uses on his gloves i don't mind that he didn't fight

it doesn't like i don't i don't like if we're talking micro shit that that drove me nuts you have an open invite the guy's drawn four or five penalties what's wrong with so the other thing people are talking about today luke fox actually had a fiery column at sportsnet.ca if you're an angry leaf fan i highly suggest you check it out uh but also um he he did his hit with sean mckenzie on Sportsnet, and I was watching this morning. I thought it was interesting. So when the Leafs decided to pull Jack Campbell, to me anyway, maybe I'm dumb, it made

sense because you don't want your starting goalie injured in a game that you probably don't have a great shot in. And they didn't have a great shot in. So you have a chat and say, listen, Jack, nothing personal. We got to play out. Luke Fox on TV was like, I don't like that that played out

publicly. He's like, you have a chat with them in the dressing room. You don't talk to them on the ice you just pull the goalie you're the head coach so i thought i thought that was an interesting take because i never really thought of it that way and i just kind of wanted to know what you guys thought because i didn't see it as a big deal and i still don't but i thought it was an interesting different point of view i think it was botched because the decision was made on the bench and this is what i thought on the stream the streams are so weird for me i don't hear the feed at all so uh but i see a lot of time you're like what happened i can't see where you know yeah they

made the decision on the bench we're gonna pull them and we're gonna do it after this penalty kill because we don't want to send sheldren in to the middle of the penalty kill and then what did the leafs do they took another fucking penalty i think it was the kasha double minor so then the pulling of the goalie got delayed until the end of the five on three right but then i think there was like a tv timeout or something and that's when it happened so i think i think keith was stuck you know between a rock and a hard place supposedly marner broke the news to campbell and to that i must ask why why that's not your news to break what are you doing well maybe he had to relay it for the maybe it was loud in there yeah and he's a he's a captain

he's yeah he's he's got a letter so i think that went the way it did because that was the circumstance uh there was also the quote from keith when he actually he talked about the incident uh david alter had an incident and yeah it wasn't it i think it became a media storyline but it wasn't really a storyline within the team so this is what keith said uh post game i'm just trying to get a sense of where he's at this is why he talked to him on the ice he's battling and i know he's going to continue to battle we need him to be good for the next game so it's more it's more so just a mindset and want to be sure that he wasn't feeling like he really wanted to finish the game and put in a good showing or anything like that i just made it clear to him that it's obviously a long

way to come back and we need him to be good for the next game ultimately we made the decision i made the decision a few minutes prior and we had already had jalgren ready to go coming out of the timeout but wanted to talk with jack first that's what happened i don't think there's anything wrong with that no i thought it was a very clear thing amongst the coach and the player and that campbell's not going to feel any type of way about it don't take again again this is a story born from what they took they took too many freaking penalties yeah the other thing i want to ask you the leafs are that i never would have thought the leafs would be on the wrong end of this like i know people actually somebody tweeted me the other day like this is what you asked for

and i'm like i know and that's not i'm not saying that it's bad i'm just saying it's bad on the leafs i'm not complaining i'm not complaining my complaints are calling the game my complaints are to do what they're doing stupid shit and look not with officiating and look at what the yeah when people say weak call i get it because based on past playoffs it has been extremely weak play calling but this is what they're calling this playoff so i don't really complain either i don't think they should no i don't think they should because they they have been asked they are dumb fucking penalties too that they're playing they're dumb now last question on the lease guys unless jesse you want to get into something i was gonna say a lot of some of the stupid narrative has been

people blaming leafs fans for complaining all season about the officiating and now it's coming back up to you guys. You guys can play it all season and now you're actually getting calls. They're called to get the team. So stupid people coming at Leafs fans. People just get out of here. Some people's identity is they don't even like their own team. They just hate Leaf fans and they all had the tissues

out last night and you know what? Fill your boots. Have some fun. I'm fucking thrilled with the way the first four games have gone. Thrilled. But let me just ask you one last question guys. Careful before you get hairy palms. John Tavares. John Tavares. Six games now.

without a goal in the playoffs. Now, he played half a game against Montreal, so that's not exactly fair. But people are like, well, Matthews hasn't scored since... When did he score? Game one, where he had two. Yeah, and then Marner's actually...

Marner's got six points in four games, so he's producing... Marner's played the majority of the series because of all the penalty no time. Nylander's been good, I thought, anyway. I think he was a little off in game one, but he still scored. Now you're not crazy about it.

Okay, so Tavares, though. Tavares made a really nice play on the Willie goal that's a little stop up and finding it Berkshire asked the question yesterday and I thought it's worth asking here would the Leafs have been better off not signing Tavares a few summers ago keeping Caudry

and and and this is Andrew's words he said that John Tavares has got mostly empty calorie offense I don't have the strength not now not now not now that's that's a summer discussion and I've been such a good boy okay so then so that are you worried so in the context then of this series fair enough let's keep it scoped to

here are you worried about john tavaris in this series yeah yeah he doesn't have the speed for the series at all it's a problem it's a big big problem and if there was a lineup adjustment to be made like here's the problem you try them on the wing i would i absolutely would don't tweak you're saying don't tweak jesse why when how many times how many times this season has john Tavares played on the wing none let's try it out in the playoff game number five baby he's played he's played on the wing internationally because you play with multiple centers I would try well and here's here's the thing it'd be nice if they had tried this in the regular season game five against the lightning at home is not exactly when I would try tinkering with this sort

of thing but I think you could do I think you could reunite the Tavares Kerfoot Willie line have Kerfoot in the middle I wondered about that too but can Kerfoot win face-offs like Tavares does? Or do you just have to switch? Have Tavares, yeah, literally have Tavares win the faceoff and then switch. You can do that. Do it. Interesting. Not time, not place. Not time? Okay, that's fair. It's too late now.

I just want to know, you know, I just want to know if we're worried about you know, I just want to know if we're worried about this, and it seems like we are a little bit. I just, I want to see a breakthrough performance in game. You need to, we need to notice John Tavares more on the

ice. That's the thing. He's been disappearing a lot. I bring up the Willie play because that was a nice play I want to see more of that because he had time and space like you said it was also 5-2 in the game it was 5-2 and it was 4-on-4 oh was it? I don't even remember that it was 4-on-4 for the 4th time

in the game there was space there he needs to do a better job finding time and space because Tampa has given him none so Barry Trotz was fired today not on my bingo card

i i thought he did a good job he i was reading a friend of the show andy graziano's tweets and it seems like first off it seems like islanders fans are pissed uh which you rarely see islanders fans mad at the islanders but this but here we are yeah uh island so as a coach barry trotz's record was 152 102 34 587 wow and in the playoffs he was positive 28 28 wins 21 losses 571 he basically he's the highest points percentage of any

Islanders coach ever and given how the Islanders had to start this year which is mostly on the road and the fact that they refused to go out and really sign any goal scoring I mean listen we thought that they were a better team than they were in the second half of the season they've showed

they were a better team but it was already too far gone at that point it makes me wonder and makes me think that there had to be some major change of or difference of opinion between Lula Amaral and Barry Trotz to the point where they could not go forward with the direction of the team well I I can't help but notice and I don't know anything like inside track but I can't help but notice this is now the second consecutive firing well second consecutive time uh Barry trotz has left a team as their head coach under bizarre circumstances like this sort of thing makes me go makes me look at barry trotz's departure from washington literally the summer

after the well and they made it after winning the stanley they made the decision before that season started that was his last year though because of money supposedly yeah do like ted leonsis isn't gonna pay for a stanley cup winning head coach the first head coach to ever bring the cup to washington i don't know if i totally buy that like i'm sure it's a factor i don't i don't know if i buy that that's very strange there's very strange circumstances and now we have literally the winningest regular season head coach in islanders history brought them within a hair of the stanley cup the past two years unfortunate circumstances they're very obviously going to have a bounce back season next year what's going on why would he do that so andy graziano again

And he's a columnist at WFAN 660 said, only thing I was privy to over the course of this trying season was some headbutts between Trotz and Barzal. But I thought that that was just frustration over the season and where it was going. Impossible to know how much of a factor that played in today's news. I doubt very highly that a Lou Lamorello run team would worry about one player, no matter how good they are. the only thing like i look at the islanders and i look at their future and me i don't know how great of a fit trots is anymore um because he's a metapod coach like just defense defense defense a lot of the guys they've drafted and a lot of guys they've hitched their wagon to are kind of offensive players offensively gifted you know barzal bovillier dobson like that back

end i mean you don't need a brilliant defensive coach to succeed with that back end in uh in long island but two years ago you did yeah i mean what the islanders did let's not forget what the islanders did the first year barry trotz was in town the first year lula amorello was in town when everybody thought his team sucks and this guy robin lennar who's not worked out anywhere is going to be their goalie and he's like a masterton winner and a vesna nominee and and Grice was a god. Grice was a god. Sorokin is a god. There's obviously the right

goaltending coach, but Barry Trotz shocked the hell out of the world when that Islanders run that we were just on started. This should have finished last. This should have finished last. That team was not supposed to be good. And Islanders fans right now, following along, they are

flabbergasted. They're like, wow, it was so nice to see a winning team for once. And they were the ones when they initially lost Tavares, they were the ones like, this team's gonna be shit and it wasn't it wasn't there was something in the new york post that i read today that i thought was really interesting because it's this isn't out of like it's not strange to have this happen uh from a lou lamorello team no it's not so ethan sears wrote this in the new york post he said uh it's far from the first time he's made a surprise decision to move on from a

head coach this is lou in 2000 when he served as general manager for the devils lamorello fired robbie foreck with eight games toric toric toric yeah i remember robbie uh fired robbie with eight games left in the season hired larry robinson who went on to win the stanley cup of the franchise seven years later lamorello fired claude julian with three games left in the season and the devil's holding the best record in the east this is a thing a pattern that lamorello does and he has he loves to fire his head coach and i kind of trust that if he thinks the islanders need a new voice in the room and that barry trotz isn't the right voice to lead this team i kind of trust that he knows what's going on yeah is that fair yeah it could be a mutual thing

as well because trotz is going to go to the jet yeah well that's so a lot of red wings fans today are like the eyes are playing because blashels will not be back they don't have blashel yeah um And I think that that was long overdue. I think Jeff Blaschel hung on to that gig because it's like, well, do we need to hire a new coach right now for this terrible team? Supposedly he's like a popular, well-liked guy. It's just his record sucks. What's the quote from Glenn Ross?

Nice guy, fuck you. Nice guy, fuck you. Go play with your kids. Second prize set of stickness. No, no. Third prize is your five. i think the i think that the that i know that lou amorello does this and i know sometimes it has worked but robbie fotorik's firing was like 2001 2000 yeah that's a long fucking time ago guys

that's 22 years ago and then the claude julian one the seven years later yeah but that's 15 years ago and then now i was old though so that was recently for him yeah it's true in the in the lifespan of i i don't know i i don't think his mentality has changed in the later 20 years of his life i remember i remember like progressive yeah i just i just wonder about that and think like the reason the only issue really with the islanders this year is a they couldn't play at home and then when they could play at home they couldn't score well they didn't do anything to address the school scoring issue which we knew was an issue last year so who's that on and and let me let me make clear too because lou lamorello in the press conference today was asked

why'd you why did you uh and a lot of islanders fans are getting on him for this why did you fire very trots why why was this decision made and lou lamorello said i'd rather not get into the details and everybody's like oh did he own the press conference yeah yeah why because he fired his head coach yeah but he didn't what's the point if you're not going to say anything well people call him mr accountable and they're saying so you're not accountable for your actions then but everybody else has to be that's interesting that's so ridiculous i also so the goal scoring issue um i think i wonder if lou lamorello thinks the issue just solved itself like i this team is i mean we can no disrespect to barry trotz i think we can be fairly confident

they will improve offensively next season yeah that's what i'm the issue is will it be at the sacrifice. Stephen, why no? Lou Lamorello's quotes. I'm going to read them for you. It would be a tremendous understatement to say this was an easy decision or this was not an easy decision. Unfortunately, it is my role to make the best decisions for the organization. This group needs a new voice. So maybe that

bars all thing isn't so far off. Lamorello said he and ownership only knew about the decision before he told Trotz this morning and he did not consult with players. I'd rather not get into any of the reasons because that's my job upon the... Excuse me. I'd rather not get into any of the reasons because that's my job

I have experience with these types of decisions because I think there's a misquote in here. And then when asked why he thought Islanders players needed a new voice, those are not questions that I will answer as far as what I thought. It's obvious that I thought quite a bit about making this type of decision.

Did I consult with anyone on this decision? The answer is no. Did I speak to the players on this decision? No. I would never even consider thinking anything like that. Good. So Lou made this told ownership this morning told Barry this morning and the players are finding

out on Twitter. Good. That's how Lou operates right? That dude is more on brand than Coca-Cola. I know. Yeah. No. Lou should have all autonomy if you're going to give him the power. If you're going to give him the keys, give him the keys. You imagine. Yeah. What is he? 79? 76. 70. Yeah. You know

Matt, what do you think about this? I can't. I can't. I know. Lou's going to make decisions. and i i trust that if he thinks they need a new voice and that this will improve them offensively though he's not wrong yeah and by default they will be better because they won't spend a whole half season on the road and they're gonna have a whole new energy to their team they're gonna have a new head coach and they'll improve easily young guys will get a little bit better they are

still too old it's an easy w for lou because they're by default getting better he doesn't have to pay Barry Trotz because Barry Trotz is going to command a big payday and he can go to Winnipeg and lose with Shifley. So do you want to say

if I'm in the division of the team that he goes to, I'm very upset about this. Well, and you look at this, look at what he's got, right? He's got Nadelkovic

potentially as his goal in Detroit, who could use a rebound season, but we know he's got the talent. Yeah, does well in tight, you know, defensive systems, as

we saw with Carolina and Rod Brindamore. You got the former Vesna winner, Connor hellebuck who's still among the league's best that's awfully attractive to a defensive-minded coach blue with that core in winnipeg the defense core you mean barry what i said oh my bad like i'm just imagining a brendan dillon on a barry trotz team and i just don't want to be the player on the other end of that right it's gonna be no they could be a very good team yeah trot and what

about new voice what about vancouver budra is going to come back well maybe that's a lot of possibly maybe they just say to him uh you know what uh i know that's in your contract but we don't want you we get barry trotz is now available that is not a fit no no because they want to be offensive and fast skating right i think so i just thought i'd throw them out there no i i like it you got to go through the list that's not a fit to me how do you get mark shifley and blake wheeler to play defense you uh trade them i mean winnipeg's the perfect team for a guy like barry trotz because there are they are going to be if those guys get traded there's going to be limited talent on the road is he from i think he's a manitoba guy too yeah he's from winnipeg did you see the

uh report from shifley that he said he didn't request a trade no i think it was in the uh yes i didn't request the trade shirt is they followed up with him about his uh post uh post-season interviews with the coaches and management, and he said he did not request a trade. So, there you go. Shifley's sticking around, apparently. Part into a bottle, throw it into the ocean, open it on the other side, sniff it. No. They're gonna be...

I don't believe it. I'm very curious about... Well, there's a difference between requesting a trade and saying, I don't want to be here. Hmm. Right? It was like... It's like the difference between, no, we're not trying to trade P.K. Subban, but we are taking calls on him. I... Call me. Let's...

I'm not cheating on my wife. I'm just responding to direct messages from multiple different people. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's just... Totally normal. Sexually... Exact, exact same thing here.

I just... No, great. Come on. Great comparison. But you guys know what I'm talking about. Don't give me the... Shife was... He was already out the door on that press conference.

Here's what's going to happen. He's going to be the head coach of the Winnipeg Jets. He's going to be announced as the head coach of the Winnipeg Jets while I'm there. in winnipeg when he's going to winnipeg a couple weeks why he's got a wedding oh yeah he's brought this up like a hundred times yeah he's a big event of the year i haven't been on a flight i know for a very long time you told us eight times you know what eat shit there mexico you went to mexico no i was in vegas for like a week you don't see cool too here's where steve goes on holiday tell me about that yeah i did i did two podcasts for vegas um

steve goes on holiday in in winnipeg and follows it up with a nice cold trip to scotland in the middle of summer no we're not doing that they're coming here are they oh great you're in laws no i know we just we i was laughing at you because i know you don't like the beach and so it's sort of like you know it's like what else can you do well we're gonna go see the biggest nickel in ontario in sudbury or something like that i like the beach as long as it's freezing cold and facing the north sea there you go i have dipped my toes in the north sea i like a good woolly sweater man my summer trip you know what that wasn't warm did you put your did you put your foot in the north sea and i wrote go leaves into the sand i've i know you did i'm not that i'm not

surprised by pierre mcguire has been fired by the sins 10 months i mean so funny dude we all thought he was a eugene guy and yeah i mean i bet it took can i can i ask a serious one season my my first question in reading that was who fired him i was just about to ask that who's what happened who who and i told you guys this the week eugene died and i know everybody was like well you shouldn't talk about that who's in charge of the sense right now that's kind of a valid question who runs the sense i know his daughters were out and that sort of thing is it the family is it is it in your trust how does that work what wouldn't the decision come from pierre dorian anthony leblanc they were they were equals yeah but what's his he's president of

the uh senator dorian oh well mcguire was not come from him mcguire was a senior advisor to melnick we we speculated at the time that if dorian was fired by the end of the year it would be mcguire that'd be taking over right and i don't think dorian had the ability to fire mcguire i just don't think that's the org chart so you it's who is it again on the site so uh the president is anthony leblanc and then we got a uh i don't know who would be on top of him i don't know if there's anybody else but it would have been anthony then i'm sorry about that sniffing my allergies um it probably is i i would assume pierre dorian would have that power as well if because pierre would report to dorian as the vp of player development that was pierre

mcguire's job yeah so he p.r dorian i guess it maybe as a manager has a power to fire it may like in cult in consultation with anthony de blanc i don't know who is going to have the hartford style break who is well i'm referencing the famous article written about pierre mcguire's coaching tenure with the hartford whalers where he was where he can't remember it oh yeah i forgot about that skewered and barbecued um to a char um i would love to hear about the 10 months that pierre mcguire was in ottawa i'm fascinated by that fascinated i i am too i i and i want to know because you know somebody's going to have the inside story like ian mendez is on this right now and it's you know that ian drop it ian give the people what they want drop that mixtape 100

it's gonna happen drop it um i i'm anticipating this more than kendrick's album like i i can't wait i can't wait it's hilarious by the way um uh if you look at the west edmonton series just like toronto edmonton is edmonton's just pulling the leafs there was a clip going around where i was like oh there's no chance edmonton scores six in la and i was right they scored eight is that what you said yeah i said there's no chance they score six and i and i said i said yeah don't underestimate to underestimate to know who had a terrible game on friday yeah last night that was la's game last night that's what i expect well more along the lines of what i expect that i didn't expect there was a good shout out i didn't you know what i didn't

realize as a storyline for that series is todd mcclellan's the coach for the kings oh wow he's Taking on his former team. I was just sort of going through and watching post-game pressers, and I'm like, oh, shit. It's Todd McClellan. Totally forgot. Who we have not talked about since he was the coach in Edmonton. No.

On the second pairing there, I was just looking up, they put in Troy Stetcher, and they took out Jordan Spence, their rookie. I was like, who would have thought that Troy Stetcher would be the man to stabilize the defense in a game four? Stetcher, wasn't it Stetcher-Edler? Yes. edler might have been on the fourth line i had a lot of there yeah it was edler stetcher and then mata derzy on the on the third pairing like and i like derzy but mata can be tough it's uh it's

it's incredible to see what the kings get out of their players and the the storyline the narrative for that game was the dustin brown love fest because that could have been his last game ever in la if if they lose that game and then you lose the next one in edmonton his career's done because he's going to retire at the end of the season and that's his last ever game in la and he showed up like he knew the crowd was going to be there for him because um it could be his last game and it's just it's great to see the kings when they when they're all out there zipping and they're playing this incredible defense and then jonathan quick is behind them playing like 2012 jonathan quick yeah they're fantastic what the fuck was that like wait first off that that non

glove glove save where he has no glove on and then the book you saw that blocker save did you see that in slow-mo he caught one quarter of one inch of that puck and just got it out of there we some people are people are hot on jonathan quick or cold i think he's probably the most athletic goalie of his generation because he plays a style where he has to be athletic he routinely turns himself into a capital h that has fallen over and i don't know how he does it i don't and he is an older man he's not he's not a young man how don't you hear a snap in his groin that echoes off the roof of the building every time that guy takes the ice yeah he is truly gumby he's three years younger than mike smith explain someone explain i know make it make him and mike smith are crazy

that's it's the oldest like their combined ages in this series are 76 what oh god it's beautiful chaotic energy that they're playing against each other that's wild still doing it still doing it now um uh let's get into uh i mean first of all actually before we get out of edmonton i do want to ask you this did you guys see the grunstrom goal that was double reviewed i did where he's sort of a torpedo and i didn't understand the double review okay so you didn't understand what didn't you understand about it how you're able to do that i wasn't gonna ask that about the rules i figured i sometimes i'd watch the nhl i'm like oh i didn't know that was a rule that's not really a surprise there's a million rules um but grunstrom did you think that that

was a goal oh boy here let me let me pull it up let me pull it up throw my glasses and i got you got it there jess yeah so for anybody listening uh carl grunstrom basically throws his body into mike smith he's a torpedo he's a human this angle jesse the overhead is useless to me because i need to see if he's responsible for torpedoing himself into the net it's no goal if he's pushed it's a goal all right here's the uh the other angle that's the fun angle but uh the argument wasn't it the argument uh that he punched it in yeah here we go so what do you so that's nurse yeah also nurse essentially takes him down he falls into the net accidentally yeah the puck goes in all at once he takes him out with his feet nurse goes right after him i love it there's

a whole bunch of stuff i'm surprised i love that mike smith is arguing the goal while like the ref doesn't have time to hear that shit there's a line brawl going on man so i think it's clearly a goal because uh he's taken down like that would have been a tripping penalty on nurse you look he takes him down with his with his skates with his legs and then he goes flying into the goal and the puck goes in what do you say about the argument that it's a penalty not a goal because i did see some of that uh because i don't think edmonton makes contact with the puck before it goes in the net like i don't think mike smith touches it to where it's possession stop play penalty you know now we gotta we gotta take context in history into account here because

if i'm an oilers fan this morning at this morning this morning i'm wondering what on earth the other team needs to do to get called for goalie interference against the edmonton oilers in the nine right that's what i thought dude that's i mean what do they gotta do this isn't quite as bad as kessler it's still you know you know what also was bad was did you see the uh the boston goal last night with DeBrusque, where literally the puck is underneath Antti Ranta's pad, but he can't see it.

And the ref doesn't call it. It's underneath his pad. In Boston? That's so strange. And they are chopping at his pad and literally they just push the pads out from under him and the puck goes in. And it was fine. Well, do you want to see it? I want to see it. Yeah, I'll show you. I love this. It's pretty wild. Oh, Jesse's got it up.

I mean, how is that loose? i need to see where is it yeah it's underneath the goalie oh is that it right there i don't i don't even so then he hits it the breast hits it here and then it goes shoots up into the net he gets solid contact on the puck that's my only thing yeah you know i i it must be loose because he goes totally under okay well now do you know where the ref is at this point no behind the net he can't see the puck he should be behind the ref no i know but what i'm saying is that there's no the way the ref would have known that that was that was loose therefore it should be the should have been blown down he goes he goes top shelf yeah before that before that it was

underneath anti-ranta and the ref did not see it he knew if a puck's loose you can't go if a puck's not loose you can't go top shelf i'm i'm with the bruins here yeah that's a goal man wow a couple of judas is here a lot of people were with the bruins yesterday which is not an angle i expected from this series but uh brad marchand and tony d'angelo uh had a little love fest and who do you think won that one uh bradley bradley uh that's uh you're a racist is not a common chirp in the national hockey is that what he said oh yeah i missed that oh you didn't see that he literally said to him you're a racist it's i don't think it was ever confirmed but yeah jesse's got the video up right now i think d'angelo said something about his nose and

Marshan you're racist you're fucking racist that's what he said right there clear as day I don't know if it's clear as day but oh Jesse stop here we go everybody's watching Brad Marshan chirping at Tony D'Angelo

Adam's seen this for the first time you're racist right there you're fucking racist you're a fucking racist it looks like and then at the end of the game D'Angelo throws his stick at him the enemy of my enemy is my friend oh boy that's a crazy chirp wow holy cow that is that's that wow it's it's quite surreal there's also not much of a retort if you're a Flavius

fan are you concerned that your 40 40 40 35 goal guys have a combined two goals through the first three games of this series okay dallas don't take this the wrong way for the sake of the health of hockey we need you to lose why do you need that please don't make me watch yeah i don't want to i don't want to and it's nothing against you i have defended your jerseys at every turn no you haven't they're garbage they look like i have offended them you say they're garbage i have defended them you have young exciting players you have one of the most underrated players in the league and rupee hints i mean jason robertson too you know there's there's a lot to like about dallas except for how they play now they are winning i could see how you would like it but as

a neutral observer boo hiss boo hiss trash also you'll ruin my bracket please stop i'm gonna be honest i've turned off two of these games because they suck they suck like the the one nothing game was it was brutal to watch and it's effective oh no one's saying they're bad oh no one's saying it's not effective oh yeah but you are out boring daryl sutter mama mia that is that's too much for me and i'm out i tap out the most interesting thing interesting thing about this series in the is the john clingberg storyline that is actually a storyline which is how is that a thing which is he's mad at anderson and now two games in a row he and kachuk have gone toe-to-toe and kachuk's won both but you know at least he's true has he so i mean it's a wrestling match really you gotta

be out of the box bro yeah you gotta be out of the box it's obviously not working having clingberg in hmm yeah that's uh that's a bracket ruiner and speaking of bracket ruiner how about them caps um well you can't just move on to another series how dare you um what do you want to say the uh the exciting thing for the series for me i was trying to bring this up real quick is mr jake ottinger oh buddy uh i wanted to bring up does philly uso know you're cheating on him oh yeah because fucking binnington um but philly is i don't have his stats over the last couple games uh nhl playoffs jake ottinger nhl playoffs 22 23 oh my god okay here we go 963 how many where's the saves now i don't have the total amount of saves do you have it uh oh i thought

it was that anyway there it is there it is he stopped oh 93 of 96 three games this this uh playoffs 93 saves out of 96 shots goals average of 101 the man is unbelievable and you throw in one shutout in there and he's he's really holding this team together he's out dueling markstrom oh yeah yeah that's crazy all dallas is doing is finding a way to get a couple goals here and that's all they need to win the game it's proven that okay if we can just get two or three pascal past markstrom we're gonna win the game and they've done that twice now and the other one they barely lost and i'm worried about calgary if their offense doesn't turn on because dallas has found a way to just stifle them so we'll see how the next three games go but dallas might just

it might be a situation where we look back on the series and we're like jay cotton just stole a playoff series for the dallas stars and the team that we thought was going to challenge colorado for the western conference championship is now out in the first round a lot of people have them going to the final a lot of people have them winning it this is uh this is a big one yeah very big one what about the panthers guys same position there's but there's also a storyline for calgary where we look back and we say teams need to go through this to get there the tampa did it colorado did it and this was the first year i mentioned this coming in where they haven't done it before this core hasn't been there and this is the first year that they're doing it if they

lose here it just might be hey this is your growing pains you come back next year and you're better right this this is more surprising to me than the panthers being down 2-1 to the caps because I don't think because of how mediocre they were in general over the course of the season people weren't paying enough attention to how good the Caps were down the stretch they were really good down the stretch

and the Panthers I'm sorry it's it's worth noting they got 26 points in the standings from overtime wins overtime wins or 13 coin flips

coin flips coin flips that are not available to you in the stanley cup playoffs they're just not i don't know playoff bobrovsky playoff bobrovsky now a 2-1 lead is not a you know it's not a death sentence um i was actually i was texting ian olin from russian machine never breaks this reminds me a little bit of leafs caps from 2017 except the roles are reversed so the caps are now the underdog up to one after three but they would be wise to remember that the caps went on to win three straight and the leafs were eliminated yeah they're also doing it without tom wilson which is huge yeah they're able to never guess under man they're able to get things done would have never guessed that in a million years florida like i don't want to rule it out to oh it's

playoff hockey and that stuff but florida built their team around scoring and offense and in the playoffs that thing disappears but no it hasn't this year it's playoff scoring is higher than it's been in like a generation but for the panthers in particular they can't get it done floundering yeah but are the caps not built around goal scoring they're built around the greatest goal scorer of his generation sure possibly and time and shaky goaltending from them because they got two guys they can go with at any point but they've been getting solid goals you know none of it makes sense it's it's a fascinating series um jordan minnington has a great game jordan kairu and david perron both score two goals two more goals each uh both are

having insane preseason or postseason excuse me and the wild uh and the blues are tied up jesse's upset because bidder's in there are some things uh i was looking at in terms of uh joining biddington first of all it's his first win since they won the stanley cup in the playoff the first win in the playoff since they won the stanley cup wow okay all right uh his record since they went to the Stanley Cup Final in the playoffs prior to this game was 0-9 with an 8-75. He went nine straight games losing.

8-75. Are you serious? That's Bennington. That's his record. He's so shook. I can hear the anger. Billy Husso in his first game. Great game. 9-19. Of course it was. Has he ever had a bad one? Games 2 and 3. Struggled, obviously.

That's the reason they went with the other guy. But goalies are going to struggle. This is why you have two great goalies. That wasn't the last time we're going to see Villejuso in this playoffs because I don't entirely trust Jordan Binnington. And then when he falters, Villejuso will

get his spot back. So I'm not too concerned. What was impressive about the Blues and their victory, they did it with seven defensemen. Are? Yeah, they played a little funky. Torrey Krug's

going to be out for a while. That's a bummer for them. Nick Letty and Robert Bertuzzo weren't ready for game 4 so yeah they went with 11 forwards and 7 defensemen that's so counterintuitive they're short defensemen

so they're using more just to spread it out and they played an exceptional game and there's something to be said for NHL teams being given a challenge and stepping up in weird circumstances and I love what I see out of the Blues also the Jordan Biddington thing you brought up last episode

about how fans get mad at us for talking about how um he's he punches air and hot and all this he is so so um prior to the game they tell him hey you're gonna be starting and then his reaction is just okay so apparently he's a quiet guy that's what that's what the uh yeah i didn't i i just assumed he's what he is no no no he's quiet in interviews so he's a quiet so i guess that's why fans don't like when we're like oh jordan bennett is the hothead and that stuff No, they don't like when we clown their favorite goalie because he fake punches people and then lets his teammates take the fall for it.

I think that's the issue I have had with Jordan Binnington. And people are like, but he does other stuff too. I'm like, I understand that he's also a good goalie and won a Stanley Cup and the Leafs have won 67. I fucking get it, man. I get it. But he still fake punches people and then goes, okay, team, I started a fight.

You go finish it. He wouldn't be the first player to be a completely different person off the ice than oh yeah yeah i mean for most players i would argue that's a good thing right yeah i think well steve i would better people off the i would argue that you're not lfr steve most of the time yeah and that's a good thing it is i just didn't know that about his personality and but this is why when you have the discussions about oh who's gonna take the reigns bennington or huso this is why you don't trade one of them at the trade deadline this is

why you play out the season with huso as a ufa this is why you you accept bennington's giant contract extension and he hasn't lived up to it yet and then you reach this point in the playoffs where one guy's struggling you throw in the next guy and he's over motivated and he plays well by the way that Binnington game just got you a perfect trade in the offseason

because he just put in a great game he had a 9-3-3 save percentage in the playoffs General Manners is going to go you know what I don't want to watch the whole fucking game to see or have a look at his season I know he did well in that one game in the playoffs 6 million bucks we can handle it let's go you're going to be like a junior scout and skip the third

And Tarasenko, Tarasenko had, I think he comes off the book, so they'll be able to re-sign Husserl. Yeah, and I mean, if they do trade Bennington, it'll be an off-season move. 100%. Well, I think at this point it might have to be. Oh, no, no, sorry. Sorry.

That was an incomplete thought. It was always going to be that way is what I meant to say. I never understood the trade deadline. Yeah, fuck. Sorry, I'm an idiot. By the way, you can ride the hot hand. Mid-playoffs, he's gone. You can ride the hot hand, and it's a beautiful thing to see.

I love the St. Louis Blues. I got them going deep, and I hope they pull out two more games. Every round in the playoffs, I always believe it's good to pick a, especially if your team's in it. So I only ever get to do this for the first round. But if your team is not in it even, it's good to pick a series that you're not emotionally attached to and you just watch for the entertainment.

And New York and Pittsburgh has just been fucking great. every game. I've done such a good job of shutting my brain off for that series. It's the best. You're just like, okay, Crosby's amazing. Malkin's amazing. Shesturkin. What? They pulled him. Georgiev comes in. Oh my god, New York's coming back. This series is

every game could have gone completely the opposite direction. I've been watching this like I'm at medieval times. More wine. More grog. I don't care who wins. Entertain me. And the

amount of storylines. Oh, wonderful. What wonderful viewing. I think that I know that the heart votes have been cast, but I think a lot of them were magically changed

once Shesterkin was pulled out. Further putting him down further on the list of heart trophy candidates, even though the awards have been voted on, he has to lose votes now. Do you think he ends up top three?

In the heart? I don't. Like goaltenders on the Rangers? No. No, in the heart trophy candidate? Yeah. It's hard for goalies, right? They don't necessarily ever get the favor that they should for it.

What a crop. If he doesn't end up in the top three, I don't think it's an insult to him. No. I mean, he's going to win the Vezina. Is that not enough? I want to shout out the Gensel-Crosby-Rust line one time. Through the first three games, this is from Jesse Marshall, they've controlled 60% of the five-on-five shot attempts.

60% of 5-on-5 shots from that line Controlling 76% Of 5-on-5 expected goals Outchancing New York Gensel Crosby and Russ are outchancing The Rangers 45-14

Crosby is on fire Well and also Brian Russ doesn't get enough credit for being Mecha-donk He's the final boss of Mark Donk like he's the mark donk that stuck around like he's dude he's so good i i i think there's something to be said and steve you mentioned this a couple episodes ago about somebody else but

watching players that people will be nostalgic about but in their time no you mentioned about crosby oh yeah that was about crosby yeah again watching him this weekend i was like man talk about a guy who is literally on fire and through the legs pass like what the fuck how do you have a sexy empty netter assist stop that yeah it's it uh it's crazy it's crazy and and i i uh i highly highly recommend because you know what it's fun pittsburgh is like will they ever be together again that's the position they're in and new york's the we're on up and coming it's just perfect through the eagles

so many farewell tours sorry not Philadelphia sorry nothing about the penguins is Philadelphia very different I can't wait for their farewell tour next year it's going to be fantastic probably not as good as the 2020

what do you want to mention mention the other series you haven't brought up which one did I forget Yeah. It's probably forgettable. I thought you might have something to say about that. I don't know. I think it's forgettable.

No, what happened? No. No? What happened? I think it's forgettable, too. I think we should gloss over Connor Ingram getting the brakes beaten off him by the Colorado by the way. Oh, my God.

By the way, Connor Ingram's goals against average is now at 371, and his save percentage is now at 879. I was trying to get out of that for you, but it wasn't good. Thanks, pal. It wasn't good, man. Why did you try to get out of me getting my ass kicked by Jesse? that's so like against your nature well i just felt bad you know felt bad that's fair for me uh both both it was fair that was tough that was tough yeah guys i'm gonna go out on a limb i think

colorado might win this game as this series yes six goals against 35 saves on 41 shots i must 8-54. But do you not expect Nashville to get one? Dude, okay, here, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One? So he faced 41 shots, 51 shots, and oh, in his first game, he only faced 32 shots. Oh, wait a sec. That was in just 45 minutes.

He came in in relief. Oh, my God. It's not close. Colorado's playing in a batting cage, but for slap shots. It's unbelievable. i don't like they're playing so well that i don't know how much of a difference sorrows would have made oh no yeah they're killing them they're i didn't expect this i thought it'd be a little bit more along the lines of dallas calgary where it's a little bit more of a dog fight

they're getting they're getting i think hey i think the reality is too guys if we're being honest the top end of the western conference has some amazing teams but the fall off is pretty quick after about four i and like like okay compare the the wild card two spot in the east and the west you got nashville and you got the caps the caps would fuck up the predators too yeah there's a wild card team beating the flames though no i'm on adam's side about the east is just so much it's just a stronger it's stronger in the conference like you can tell i get that the results are different i'm not saying that you know a wild card team can't upset but to be honest with you the east is not even close every team in the playoffs got 100 points that's the fucking

cutoff that's crazy come on guys like that there's not even a question it's the cutoff what a great way to put it if we saw a minimum one through 16 yeah seating like it'd be so much different oh the majority yeah oh that'd be fun i like that i like that too i think that they don't want to do that for travel reasons but god that would be sick there's a reason no league has gone to that yeah but it'd be cool so in a one through 16 thank you in the top eight would be one two three four five eastern conference teams those five or three and then in the bottom eight how many of them where would the where would the eastern conference be teams uh the so they'd be probably seven eight nine or sorry 16 so it's the kings dallas and nashville were round out 14 15

and 16 so those bottom three in the one through 16 would all be western conference team wow vegas still misses the playoffs by three points um leafs would play the penguins by the way oh that wouldn't be a fun series for the leafs four versus yeah it's the playoffs there are no fun series um do you guys want to hear the it was just announced today wow there's a lot of news today it you would think it was friday night at four o'clock and we're watching the nhlpa feed but actually it's Monday Monday early afternoon and get it because they suck we have

the roster for the 2022 IIHF World Championship in Helsinki Finland and Tamperi as well so here we have do you want to do you want to know who's on the roster please Josh Anderson Matt Barzal Drake Batherson Max Comtois Dylan Cousins Pierre

Luc Dubois Morgan Geeky Noah Greger Kent Johnson Adam Lowry Dawson Mercer Eric Odell, Nicholas Roy, and Cole Sillinger on forward. On defense, Hot Sambacho, Thomas Chabot, Ryan Graves, Nick Holden, Dyson Mayo,

Travis Sanheim, Damon Severson, and Zach Whitecloud. That's future Canuck, Damon Severson. And then the goalies, Drieger, Logan Thompson, Matt Tompkins. Who is Matt Tompkins?

I thought you might know. No. Do you know everybody else on that roster? uh who's dyson mayo dyson mayo is uh winner of the best name in the nhl award and also a defenseman for the arizona coyotes so you don't know so matt tompkins is a 2012 pick of the chicago blackhawks seventh round 199th overall he is for lunda's goalie this year uh and started the season really strong in a 908 save percentage a little bit bad on the the other half of the season that's a weird one it says because it says here's how here's how hockey db has it it's 2021 and then it has 2021 22 p i'm a playoff oh he didn't do great in the playoffs but he did great

in the regular season and uh eric odell i think is a khl guy okay i think he's a four who's noah gregor is that a young guy i don't know noah gregor i'm not gonna lie i wish i'd shark's draft pick yeah played 63 games for the sharks this year had a sparkling minus 21 uh plus minus but i mean the sharks suck ass hey did you also see the um they're terrible their roster construction is terrible they suck but did you see the eric carlson red birds yeah they gotta fix the right side of their d is the report so and they're saying that eric carlson's never fully been a fit there and that's very clear yep yeah it's a bit of an expensive not good but here's the thing at 11 million bucks who's taking eric carlson now isn't it 11 and a half you got to

retain a whole bunch of 50 on that oh you can't why not because that's uh that's five and a half million dollars or something you want to get rid of them here's here's what you need to know too eric carlson's deal 11 and a half million dollars it started off with signing bonuses um but it's yeah so that even your base salary your base salary next year there's like a year after here where he's going to make ten and a half

ten yeah he's not moving to a cheap team oh my god when does it end 26-27 that's a bad fucking contract oh my god it's not 26-27 that's what it goes to UFA at the end of I see I see because Cap

Friendly couldn't so only so now listen 53 million of of his salary is signing bonuses but that still leaves another 39 million so like this year his base salary is 5.5 million but the total salary is 14 million like had they paid the majority of this up front this would have been a tradable deal but they're not it's a shame because like i feel like the sharks actually have kind of done some good things and have some good young players but they really so buy them out jesse well yeah

like they can't move on with their franchise as long as they have and mark i'll holy shit okay what is it why why is it set up like this okay so explain it so okay i don't understand why it is set

up like this it doesn't make any sense i think it's a pain in the ass so his cap it next year here it is year by year and i want you to go when you hear something that's confusing to you okay 11.3 that's a big cap it then 2.8 then 3.3 then 9.3 then 11.8 then 1.8 1.8 1.8 1.8 1.8 1.8 1.8 you actually you save money look at the savings i mean not every year yeah but then when you lose money it's not that yeah but like why

isn't it not just the same amount of money every year what is this galaxy brain bullshit how do you go 11 2 3 9 11 1 1 why you know what sucks about being a fan of the NHL we all have to be amateur capologists

no just this why do we all have to become amateur capologists we could have made this simple make the numbers round make the process easy do you know how blind we would be to every aspect of the NHL without this website. I know. And the NHL doesn't

even offer it. They're like, ah, no, fans don't care about that. That's a Gary Bettman quote. He has said that fans wouldn't care about a website like this. Shut up. Most of his quotes suck. And we're lucky to even have it. Because most guys

who have had a website, they got bought. Well, they get hired by a team, and then the website goes offline. Dom uh with uh cap friendly was hired by a team and it stayed oh yes what about um there was the original there was extra skater cap geek cap geek he passed away unfortunately oh man and then tom tom from general manager he's with vegas yeah wow yeah yeah extra skaters with the leafs um yeah a bunch of bunch of websites or like guys who had like blogs with useful

information and they took it offline and it's uh it's difficult to get quality information that's public in the national hockey league and uh cap friendly god i'd be still my beating heart i love you please never leave and whenever you dm them like whenever we've dm them in the past they've been amazing about it so i they're a great sound how does this work and then they tell you with detail that's entirely unnecessarily or unnecessary how it works it's amazing so above and beyond in every scenario god i love them shall we do the press going