The Steve Dangle Podcast - It Was Four One | April 25, 2023

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

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you guys do one set 1059th and jesse who did his picks live on the show finished what a hundredth what a jerk i agreed with the with the majority of your body you didn't agree enough oh by the way the scores reset every game so every game you're in this danglepix.com when you sign up mitch martin jersey every single game it's signed and i do want to say people i think there are people that are like well i'm used to pools and you build points over the thing no there's no building points every game's a new game it's zero zero i'm sorry i didn't know you were making the rules i think adam has the highest finish amongst stuff amongst us all time like amongst the four games how was the highest you finished 64th in game two i had 20th 25th 20th in either game two

or three actually yeah oh okay never mind never mind eat shit out of them steve gets the trophy that's really good yeah it's like really good didn't win though yeah i think that might have been game two there's over you finished 1060 something like i had to be close to last or something like that which is wild because i bet the leafs on almost everything no you were because you had 10 points so and you were 1059 there's quite a few i don't know how many total entrants there are but like you're yeah you're close to the box yeah i got i got murdered i got kicked in the face step it up uh so did the lightning so uh i want to say a quick i want tell you a quick story actually uh so i'm driving on the 407 and i i'm i i'm in my big stupid truck

is that the one you got to pay for that's the one you got to pay for yeah but it was rush hour and i was like you know what i'll pay the 10 bucks i don't care no it's because you have that some of us don't and he was on the phone on a conference call with tom hanks and beyonce that's right that's right no i'm in the truck buy that island buy it do it uh another world war ii movie let's go um so i i uh uh i'm driving on the 407 and a car pulls alongside me and usually when that happens sometimes when you're in a big stupid truck people don't like you because you're in a big stupid truck i like that you call it a big stupid it is it's a big stupid truck it's stupid but it actually when you consider that i have you know three pets a kid and my wife and i it does

sort of make sense after a bit you know what i mean but it is big and stupid and i get and i respect that uh but i figured i'm like oh no like there's nobody on this road i could not have cut this person off at because i never cut anybody off on purpose maybe you didn't see them because you're a big stupid truck so that's instantly where my mind went and i so i like i'm like bopping away i'm listening to this uh an artist that i really like rory gallagher i'm just drop but and then and then he speeds up and then and i slowed down and he's in like a champagne lexus i'm like oh this guy is like kurt from oakville and he's gonna ream me for daring to to cut him off oh you're gonna get break checked uh that's what i thought uh and i didn't look over

kept not looking over and then all and i see you're doing this waving yeah like as if i can't see the but i see waving out the corner of my eye and i finally like fuck i'm gonna look and i look over and it's two guys about our age definitely not kirks from oakville that's for sure and they're like they're like roll it down roll it down so i rolled down my window and they're like go leaves go so they i don't know who you are i don't know where you went after that but you and the champagne colored lexus thank you so much you made my day that was so great uh they know it was you i i think they just looked at because you could your trucks like you can see yourself over your window the windows are big your windows down they saw the world's biggest head in the world's biggest

truck yeah yeah like that guy's compensating for something yeah oh wait a second i know that douchebag oh my god so big shout out to them that was uh that was lots of fun to see on the on the highways and again nobody was on them so it was nice uh before we get into this yeah the exclusive private highway something you should know rich because he's rich uh i just feel like dancing throughout the show there's a good day it's all i wanted oh did you notice how bright the sun was oh yeah this morning oh so before we get into this there is something you should know the leafs now according to sportsnet the leafs were 1 and 17 when leading a series since 2013 drew livingston checked that out and he said actually it's 1 and 10 so when they're leading

a series they won one game to go up you know two games and the only series they did that in since 2013 is Montreal. So that's the one. The rest of the time when they've won a game or when they've had the series lead, they've lost. Another two.

That's right. So now it's two and 10. So one thing I do want to say is the next time another fan base criticizes you as a Leaf fan and says you're overreacting, that's gaslighting. Don't let them do it.

It's gaslighting. It's bullshit. You're thinking about it with your I cheer for a normal team thoughts. Right. And you don't. You don't. Um, now the first period for the Toronto Maple Leafs last night was a biohazard.

It was, it was, I would say for the first seven minutes until the first penalty was called, nothing happened. Grappling match. Not much. Grappling match that you could tell the Lightning were winning. IMO. Okay. IMO.

I thought it was pretty even. It was even. I like that. Now, Yarncroak gets hit from behind. Sorelli is the one that throws the hit at 1325. And then, you know, the Leafs go on a power play. Go, hey! So even if it's tilted the island, or the island, it's the lightning's way.

Well, now we got a penalty. We can take advantage. But Morgan Riley has the puck bounce over a stick. Brandon Hagel uses his speed. And Morgan Riley trips him. It leads to a penalty shot, which Sammy stands tall on. Leafs still on the power play. It doesn't amount to anything.

No, it was pretty poo. And that is a growing concern for Leaf fans, is a bit of a pooey power play. Well, get in a minute, guys. Nylander then, it's so weird in this series. Like a couple of the plays that I think Lightning's fans would see as the dirtiest, which is the Point Riley thing, which got a lot of play. Of course. And then the Nylander-Sergachev thing from last night, where Nylander got a trip.

And it looked almost like a bit of a slew foot. You remember that? Wasn't the Stamkos? Oh, sorry, Stamkos. Excuse me. I don't know why I said Sergachev. Another member of the top line. I don't know what to call it other than just really stupid.

Yeah, that was a stupid penalty. Offensive zone. Yeah. No reason for it. None. What are you doing? I don't know if I'm jumping ahead, but he paid the price for that, William Nylander.

He sure did. If you looked at his time on ice by the end of regulation, it was down near 12 minutes. Yes. And he played a couple minutes in OT. and deservedly so. He was bad. The second way, the way that David Camp specializes in,

the best two-way player in the league, William Neylander doesn't play that second way. There's no defense, and it hasn't been there this entire series, and Sheldon Keefe finally said, okay, I'm going to try and do something to just make you smarten up here. See, you're skipping ahead because the second goal. Well, my thing was 20 seconds in, Kucharoptika Lorne. That?

20 seconds into that power play, And as you keep saying, we have yet to see a bad Tampa power play. Dude, that play is terrifying. It's terrifying. Hedman has it. That's awful. That's awful. And then he gives it to Kucherov.

That's awful. That's fucking awful. And then he chooses not to shoot it. Oh, that's good. Oh, wait, no. He passes it into the slot. That's fucking awful. Right.

And that's because Sammy was out at the top of his crease. In fact, even a little bit further than perhaps maybe you would want him to be. He battled. I don't blame him. I don't blame him either. it's kucherov 20 000 people thought kucherov might shoot it yeah perfectly executed and also calorn hadn't scored in 29 playoff games yeah get lost um so get lost then as the leafs love to do and did a couple of times you get within the last two minutes of the of the period and you go if

they could just hold tight for this they go into the locker room with uh oh shit the lightning just scored uh and that's literally what happened two minutes to go i'm i'm even preparing a tweet i'm like writing a tweet if they could well it's one nothing throw the period in the trash whatever but uh lightning goal number two comes in like with a minute 33 to go kucherov set up to sergachev uh and again the interesting part about the sergachev thing is that does he not lose his stick be a complete non-factor in the play oh yeah he lost his stick and i didn't realize this watching it the first time he lost his stick because he broke it over kerfoot that's right he cross-checked them yeah and then he goes to the bench does plays nothing like does nothing

to the play doesn't even get the puck scores and i identified it as a problem like tampa's left side is their strength on d if willie is not on the point like shit on velcro they're gonna take advantage and they're gonna take that shot and they're gonna make plays every time it's willie again he had a tough first period he had a real tough first period and sergachev who like the lion-heartedness of the tampa bay lightning like i thought he was done i thought he was done when he blocked that shot took it right off his knee gets right back up fucking scores the goal and that look on his face i'm like jesus christ i don't know how they how they get these guys out yeah on that on that play like he has no uh semblance of like protect the weak side of the

ice you know where the puck isn't slow to react protect that area and find a man and make sure that it doesn't get over there for a free shot, you know, and it's disappointing to see. He wants to pick off passes in the middle and start the play up the ice, and the reason he wants to do that is it fucking works. Like, he's seen it work, but Mitch is there quicker. He just reacts to those plays quicker,

and even if he can't pick it off or even touch the puck or anything, he's forcing Tampa to make imperfect plays. It's the very subtle difference between the two. um tampa's expected goals in the first period was 97 percent holy shit what does that mean it means that they probably should have scored more probably that the leafs got away lucky in the first period um now steve you did tweet at the end of the first you're like man maybe bunching in this lineup for game five wouldn't be the

worst thing you were tweeting it well are we gonna have that conversation later or now later But I just thought that's how bad the first was, and we thought that's how bad it would get. And boy, were we wrong. And I was thinking about it from the perspective of like, all right, even if they win, they look awful. Right? We'll have that conversation a little later. We will. Second period, good start from the Matthews line.

Mitch had a good setup for Austin. Like, right away, solid fourth line shift in the second minute. They cycled hard. The Leafs came into the period being outshot 13 to 5. Three minutes in, it was 13-9. Hooray. That's a really good start. The shot attempts were so much worse.

Matthews takes a shift with, sorry, Nylander shifted up with Matthews and Yardcroak. Sheldon was obviously having to play with the lines here. And here's the thing. They actually got a goal out of it. Justin Hall shoots. They actually are starting to shoot from the point. We saw it with Morgan Riley. We've seen it with Justin Hall.

Hall shoots. Achari tips. It's a goal. but i think what we should talk about on that goal is ryan o'reilly with four lightning around him behind the net he still comes out with the puck he willed that play to happen no one has elevated their game more than him no one on this team has elevated their game more than him like what a warrior what an absolute warrior what a perfect acquisition remember when we thought their big move was mckay blafferty and that would be it where would they be well where would they be

I don't think in this series and the Ryan O'Reilly move came first it did it did but we thought we were we were suspecting it was going to be McCabe Lafferty no we were like what are what are they going to do uh are they going to get remember the conversation was I wonder how they could afford Taves uh McCabe McCabe was always factored into the plans but it's like all right who else did they get off Chicago is it going to be Taves maybe they're in the Patty Kane sweepstakes and I'm like guys it's going to be mccabe and lafferty and that ended up being the case after o'reilly achari oh my god a lot of people have had uh problems with justin hall's plus minus because i know he's been on the ice for like nine goals against or something 11 i think is it 11 now really bad

yeah but i thought he's played well i thought a lot of that is he plays a lot of the penalty kill like he is the penalty kill specialist on on defense a lot of the time and and that's that's going to cause you to be on the ice for a lot of goals against when tampa's penalty uh power play is so good and i don't i haven't had a problem with justin hall's game like i don't think there's a move to put in lilligren right now i think there is uh i think the problem is that lilligren doesn't play shorthanded i think that's the only thing that's well not not as trusted as justin hall no and and i to be honest my opinion is that geo hall got caved last night until the third no Until the third.

I think they had a bad night, man. Yeah, I don't think there was enough to warrant taking them out of the lineup. That's where I'm saying no to. I think the point you're trying to make is, yeah, they were bad. Add it to the list. Right. Okay. I don't think you're upgrading by putting Lilligren in there.

I think you're taking away some assets that Justin Hall brings. Well, at least you're taking away a coach that trusts the player. And give John Cooper credit because he made it feel like Hall and Giordano played every second shift. Like, he made it feel like they played way too much, and I think it's just he attacks them. Yeah. The line matching is spectacular by John Cooper.

He does a fantastic job with that stuff. Win or lose the series, I tell you what, that's a top five coach in the NHL any day. Matthew Nyes then goes on to save a goal. right at the goal line right off the line oh now this is a guy matthew nyes is interesting because well he can't come out of the lineup i think that i don't even know if we can have that discussion i don't think that's it that is is off the board um that was the discussion for last episode now he's cemented himself here's the thing about young players though young players usually the

criticism about them when they've been high scoring in junior or college is what they can't Play defense. What's Matthew Niasse do? Fucking surprisingly awesome defense. Responsible. Responsible. I thought his offensive game was kind of what's been lacking. His defense has been fantastic.

Well, and the thing, I feel like he's just itching for a goal. It's right there. It just hasn't happened yet. But he's not forcing it. No, he's not. He's not. Some areas. And he's adjusting and that sort of thing.

He hasn't been perfect. I also know he's perfect. battle these he's our perfect boy uh the stick lift stuff like he's hitting what is it b on the controller see you know what's funny i don't even know what button it is because i never push it because it's the penalty button yeah is it x i don't know i think it's x i think it is yeah anyways he hits that a lot mike stevens what is it you fuck um he's gotten way better it's the poke check one isn't it no it's the stick lift oh it's stick lift that's an auto penalty okay uh by the way also right after that they sports that had this like

hilarious graphic where uh they're like and matthew knives doesn't like amelie arena and then they have a quote from him and it's like uh because he played there in the frozen 40s like it kind of stinks actually he hates it i mean he lost the biggest game of his college hockey career i'd hate it too the beginning of his life yeah yeah so far so far yeah until the next few yeah until uh thursday thursday yeah um so then we get a victor headman penalty and what's interesting about the playoffs is you can punch a guy in the back of the head once you can do it twice you can do it three times but on the 10th time normally they're gonna call it and what was great about headman is how angry he got about it uh because he knew he's like what

what did i do i only hit him in the back of the head 10 times so i i don't have a problem with the lightning mouthing off they mouth off all the time but when keith does it and bunting does it and the leafs do it they're whiny pants shitting babies and when the lightning do it which is fucking always they're just a savvy team of well that's because they want something though if the leafs had won something we might be talking about it differently right but you're taking history into account and everything and i suppose that matters but in a vacuum they do the exact same shit these guys are yapping after everything sergachev having the balls in overtime i know we're skipping ahead don't don't even don't even remember when john cooper pooped his pants after

nazim qadri uh scored that ot winning goal last year yes vaguely the uh when uh colorado had seven guys yeah it was too many men on the ice and he made the moment all about him and then the rest messing up the call and then that was all people were talking about when we should have been talking about Nazem Khadri's miraculous healing

and then coming back and scoring the OT goal. But that's why John Cooper's great. But you can heap in that either way and be like, oh, he's a great coach.

Look him do that or he's a whiny ass baby. But maybe that's part of it. That is part of it. Why is being, haven't you, listen, I've had a baby

when he whines, he gets what he needs. Bottle, sleep, change the diaper. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. the whiny baby gets the bottle and he's been i mean he's drank out of a out of a couple shiny

bottles yeah over the last few years yes a teat yeah teat the stanley teat it's just a guy named stan yeah nope we're not gonna we're not gonna do it so so again so here's the thing though so the Leafs are on the power play and then Kalorin strips Riley, misses on the breakaway and here's the thing again with the Tampa penalty kills. They are all over the Leafs

power play. It's full court press all the time and it makes it hard for the Leafs who are used to standing still and getting set up to get set up. That top unit is having a hell of a time gaining the zone. They're really hard. Even when they do gain the zone though, they cannot stand still. This isn't Tuesday night

against Arizona. This is Monday night against Tampa in the playoffs, you have to move. Move your feet. What did you say about Willie in the video? Move your feet! Good things happen when you move your feet.

So Mitch Marner, who's got all the talent and all the ability to do it, Matthews, Nylander, those guys who are setting up to play, Morgan Riley as well, you can't stand to look. You've got to be moving and looking

because they're not going to stop. And they're pushing the Leafs' power play away. It should be one of Toronto's weapons, and it just hasn't been in the way you would have hoped thus far in this game. Crazy aggressive. Crazy. Crazy aggressive.

On the 3-1 Lightning goal, Hedman, of course, comes out of the box, shoots Stamko's tips, fucking goal. Off his leg. He didn't even know where it was. It was a very Lightning Stanley Cup goal. You know what I mean? It was just like, that's a playoff team. Okay.

When I saw that go in, I'm like, yeah, I don't think they're winning this game. It wasn't the 4-1 goal. I'm like, okay, and they're getting bounces. What do you think of the micro slow-mo videos of Stamko's moving his foot slightly so that the puck was directed? stop it stop stop he did that on purpose yeah well you know what if he did yeah no nobody could have caught it but twitter so if if it passes the refs and the situation room and the coaches and most of the players and the fans in the arena you gotta give it to him it's allowed

distinct kicking motion like listen i don't know what it means either but i know it's not that Now, at this point, William Nylander is having a really bad game and isn't playing much. And the screenshot I'm about to show you comes from producer Drew's Twitter, who loves to be a troll. And this is William Nylander. This is a microcosm of his game. Matthews is open and with his stick up. And Nylander, I believe in that play, does a back pass.

No, no, he shoots it. Oh, he shots. So he's got three guys in front of him and Matthews is wide open. I lost it. Did you guys yell at your team? Oh, yeah. I guess I missed it. I wish we could play the video, but Matthews is just waving the stick in the air

for like 10 seconds, and Willie shoots it. Didn't see him. Oh, Willie, bud. I think he looked him off. Some days you just don't have it. He did not have it. Willie, from a certain crowd, which is getting smaller, but he's just never going to get the credit he deserves.

He's been such a – for a team that has really struggled in the playoffs the last few years, he's been such a good playoff performer. He's been amazing. He is struggling. He is struggling. Well, outside of a few plays, like the one where he held it for a long time and that was in the comeback. Or was that the one they lost horribly?

But there was a really nice play. He's made a couple of nice goals. He's made a few really nice plays. But outside of those, yeah. There's a few guys on the team where you look at their numbers at the end of the day and you're like, oh, they're doing fucking great. No, no, no. It doesn't tell the full story.

You had to watch the thing. he i mean if you look at his raw numbers uh hey oh he drew a penalty and he got an assist on the ot winner he had a fucking great game no the fuck he did not but he got benched and played 12 minutes in regulation time did they win they won they did now uh cologne as i said at the beginning of the the sorry in the first period part of this segment you get to that two minute mark and you're like Come on, guys. Just lock it down. Two more minutes to go.

Don't let in a goal before you go to the dressing room. That would make it. Sad. And also 4-1. Thank you. He's never going to give me what I want. Never going to give me what I want. Dude, I went to bet a three.

And Kalorn shoots it from the blue line, basically. It goes off the post and in. Sammy doesn't see it. Doesn't see it. Hagel did a great job on that shift. using his speed to back haul up, using his speed to drag haul into a screen, and Sammy doesn't see a molecule of that.

That was one hell of a shot. Oh, yeah. That was a crazy shot. No goals in 29 games, two goals tonight. That was fucking... You see the indent on the post from the fucking puck. He nailed it. Killorn was like their best player.

Yes, he was. He's unreal game. Oh, yeah. Had a great game. He was fantastic. He should have had five goals. McCabe, so the Leafs are on the, there's a four-on-four because TJ Brody existed and took a punch to the head.

Let's talk about, who punched him again? It was, was it Kucherov? I believe it was. I don't remember who it was. Are you in the third? Sergeyev. No, no, this was end of the second. End of the second.

With about 45 seconds to go, Sergeyev punches Brody in the head. But John Cooper very smartly throws up the four. And the refs are like, well, they both must be involved, so we're sending them off. So TJ Brody, who has had his moments in this series with penalties that you don't want to take, gets a penalty for taking a punch to the head, which is different from the Tavares penalty where he didn't.

Sorry, the Hedman penalty where Tavares didn't take a penalty for that. I am not so arrogant that I think the Leafs watch my videos, but when Sheldon Keefe yelled, that's made up at the ref, I was like, you know what? Maybe. yeah maybe just maybe uh the Leafs my line Sheldon then McCabe gets a penalty right at the end of the third period it's four on four two minutes free cross check he was baited into and he has got to you got to be better than that when you're down he's had a difficult time adjusting to playoff

hockey yeah he's he's been it's funny he's been good a lot of the a lot of the Leafs who have struggled in this series are at least battling and they're doing their best at what they can control so he's been getting caved in a little bit i'm just gonna throw my body in front of shots i'm gonna try to throw hits when i know it's not gonna be putting me out of position i'm just gonna i'm gonna do my fucking best but he's been doing a little bit of a little bit too much surviving and not enough thriving. And then he takes that penalty. And, I mean, Tampa scores on that power play.

It's over. The game's over. Well, the Leafs had to go into the third with Brody and McCabe in the box, down 4-3 on a, like a 4-on-3 power play. Now, at the end of the second period. But thank God they have. Well, hold on.

We're not going into the third yet. Justin Hall. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's weird. Justin Hall defense here.

So, obviously, the Ozone entries are an issue. offensive zone pressure is an issue uh why the light why the lightning pk is eating the leafs power play alive is an issue um you're you're letting two goals in within two minutes at the end of each period uh it's the kind of shit that makes it hard to take to the dressing room but the leafs can take a couple things away and i think sheldon said it after the after the game in the press conference about the second period he said we played better we just did not get a great result sort of what john cooper said after game three they outshot tampa 14 to 7 In the second period?

Yeah. That's mind-blowing to me. That's mind-blowing to me. Tom LeCision said that Justin Holl shouldn't take another shift in the series. Have you noticed how little I tweet during games? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, listen.

I don't blame you. Yeah. Emotions are high. One thing I want to say during the thing is that I have both streams on, and when I have sports then on, I want to hear what the analysts are going to say. Elliott Friedman said, listen, you don't have to win this game, but you have to get the core four going. You got to get them going.

They've been smothered the last two games, to quote him. See, that's what an analyst says. What did you say? There's a dude who runs off of feelings. And I said what I said heading into the third period of game one. Because I'm trying to get people to stay and watch. Right? They're down 4-1.

They're getting killed. I'm not looking forward to streaming the third period. It's going to be a long, drawn-out death. That's what it was in game one. But what I said heading into that period, and I ended up misleading people, unfortunately, was stay tuned because you're either going to get a magical Disney comeback,

or at very least you'll see some rough stuff. Some big hits, some fights. Game one had none of that shit. None of it. Game two, when Tampa was in the same position, rough stuff. Knowing how to lose is almost a skill. Well, in the playoffs it is because you're playing them the next night. You're going to lose, right, sometimes.

So, again, I said, folks, I know what I said last time. You're either going to see some rough stuff or a magical comeback. That's my throw to you, Adam. Can you do the Brandon Hagel thing before you go back to Hedlum? This is what I was waiting for. You ever see that clip of the ice cream taste tester? That top note. That cream.

No? Oh, it was delicious. Brandon Hagel said at intermission he wasn't surprised to have the Leafs up for, or sorry to have the lightning up for one because he thought they should have had that result last time he's not surprised i said you're not that guy you're not that guy pal trust me i know you're not nate diaz don't give me that i'm not surprised motherfuckers shit brandon cutting another promo Go on, Brandon. That was the tone.

Although, if you're the lightning, that's the attitude you want your players to have. What do you want them to say? Yeah. There's a difference between confidence and mission accomplished. And the tone to me was mission accomplished. You thought he was Tom Cruise and Top Gun. And you're not that guy, pal. Trust me.

Absolutely. So, third period. Leafs start shorthanded, but they kill it off. Almost immediately, Tavares and TJ Brody out of the box now. Get a couple shots in tight. Almost score. And it's sort of the energy that the Leafs needed from the jump. But then things start to even out and nothing really happens.

But then. Then what happens, Adam? But then. Then what happens? You're thinking, okay, like we at least need the core four. Please, somebody get something going. And Austin Matthews gets his second goal of the playoffs. Shout out to Sheldon Keefe, who, you know, it's funny.

He used the blender to such effectiveness down the stretch. And the playoffs start and he's like, nah, I don't like this toy anymore. And he just stopped using it. He stopped going to it, except for like very special situations. Third period, he gets out Nylander with Marner and Matthews. And why not? You got to get the core four going. mitch is the fixer anytime anyone's cold give him a little bit of dr mitch that's that's what

sheldon that's a good point sheldon always does it and he's right like i think we all agree matthews is the superstar goal scorer you know top center on the team mitch is the fixer there was an unreal play in the neutral zone i think it was morgan riley great spin backhand pass the sort of pass you're probably not going to see it most times during the game but when you're down three goals why not fill your boots I think it was Mitch first or no was it Willie first then to Mitch yes then to Austin streaking with speed rips it the sort of opportunity you can't buy in the Stanley Cup playoffs it hasn't been there Matthews has had it maybe once maybe twice in this series and they're not all gonna go in too that's why those chances are so precious

and that's why you need to generate them you give matthews five of those he's scoring one that is my guarantee he hasn't had enough to guarantee and that's a big player coming up in a big moment and i tell you what the chat on the streams was all over him really all over him because dude galorn headman point they're all guys who elevate their game come playoff time Tampa was dog shit for two and a half months dog shit and we all just sort of went yeah but they're Tampa but they're Tampa and we know we're seeing them at like 70 percent maybe and they elevate and when they hit that 105 110 percent range there's barely anybody in the league who can even hold a candle to them matthews elevated his game in the final 10 games of the

season one of the best players in the league during that stretch you need more you need even more than that and three minutes later they got it he turned into a ghost the best goal scorers turn into a ghost they make you forget they exist and and i'm thrilled the greatest of all time at that is brett hall oh yeah he was a skate but he could shoot like a he was he was the best at finding the open spot in the offensive zone and everybody all the defensemen all the forwards forgetting that he existed and feeding him a pass and he just snipe it all be very very quiet yeah my stick in the air yeah it's crazy he was like ov right it's like you know he's there i don't know why you're ignoring him and austin has that exact same thing yeah it's really special

So, three minutes later. You know those standing benches you can just sit down on? Like, we got to give Ovi one of those. Like, there's no reason to make him stand, like, on the power. Just let him sit. Let him rest. Get up when there's a pass and just bomb it. Adam?

Can I talk about the next thing? Am I allowed to? Go ahead. Well, I'm thrilled that the Lightning, I don't know if they traded for us or signed Ian Cole. But I'm thrilled that he's playing in this series. As a Leaf fan, I couldn't be more thrilled that Ian Cole is a member of the Tampa Bay Lightning. I think Ian Cole is just, I think he's a third pair NHL defenseman. And the Lightning didn't used to have those.

Right, right. Like, I'm trying to think of their six from last year. Their left side was Hedman, McDonough, Sergeyev. What kind of goofy bullshit is that? What is that? and cernak i think noted alan walsh client yan ruda yeah and was it bogosian bogosian or was it cal foot might have been both they would have flipped in i think i think it was zach i think it was bogo so that's like so they only had one third pair of defensemen there are

some teams that have six luke shen you know yeah yeah a little bit well listen ian cole takes down nola chari it's a penalty and it's an obvious penalty it's not like you know when you look at at that one it's it's um it's just it's just weird that they would do that well actually it was him what told the story to me camera goes right to john cooper didn't say shit if he's speechless when his team takes a penalty in the third period yeah they did that shit and in my notes i say the leafs must score here and who scores austin fucking matthews baby austin fucking matthews just does a little loop of the net and it's funny i called this right from game one this posting up in front of vasilevsky it's not

really it's not quite working lalonde derrick lalonde who we'll get to a little later talked about vasilevsky's difficulty tracking pucks but the lightning play in a way and he's so big well you can bring it up now they lalonde because we can't play because it's from sportsnet right uh but lalonde basically says that they did a study and vasilevsky's puck tracking isn't is one of his from the point from the point yeah and uh you know i think analytically speaking you'd be happy to take on a goalie whose one weakness is shots from the point those are low percentage shots you probably look at that and go we can fix that with systems we can fix that with clearing rebounds and strong defense which they have yeah and he's big as shit so like he'll stop a bunch

of pucks by accident and we just got to clear the rebound right but posting up and getting into those stationary battles with the lightning it's been difficult to come by goals they've gotten a handful but they've been difficult to come by the execution for matthews to just do a casual public skate loop and tip that thing mid-flight that's an elite player doing elite shit at an elite moment and everyone was screaming for this guy to elevate his game two goals in three minutes i think you had the uh the penalties wrong because the penalty it was bagosian zach bagosian hooking on Alex Kerfoot. Okay, there was something with Ian Cole, though.

I know that. That's the only penalty in the third period is Bogosian hooking on Kerfoot. Maybe you're thinking, because Ian Cole was... Oh, yeah, how could Ian Cole have taken the penalty? He was on the ice for the second Matthews goal. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. Well, that might have been it.

Whatever it was, it was dead to rights. Whatever I need to say is that Ian Cole is trash. Turnip trees. He's back. He's fine. No, he's not. He's had a bad series. Yeah, so I think that – so kind of going forward there,

Austin Matthews scores, and now we've got a game. And it's funny, right before that, like the commercial break before that, Steve's on the stream, and he's talking about – you took a question from Austin Matthews about – or about Austin Matthews. Can you imagine? What should I do next, Steve? Should he be scoring more? And you were saying that you needed more from his teammates

to help him get into the position to score. and find them find it that's an elite well in the willie freeze frame it's like perfect example and they found they they got them going like that's what that's what everybody's been asking for and like austin matthew's showing up those are probably the two biggest goals of his career yeah those two leading that comeback i don't i can't name anything bigger than that maybe last year the winner in game five but it didn't lead to anything unfortunately no you know we'll see if this one does this leads to the 4-1 comeback this leads to potentially closing it out on Thursday I don't know let's see what happens there but those are two biggest goals of his

career so far Willie with a bit of redemption there as well that's his second assist uh really really good play and very William Nylander you're starting to see him come back uh also uh three assists what the fuck late in the period and this is the third period Matthew Nice takes a shift with William Nylander and Austin Matthews. Really good activations off the boards. Right in there around the net. Getting things going. And we've got four minutes left to go.

Morgan Riley scores. In a bananas play. Because Keefe pulled out the blender again and he said, you know what? Not in every situation, but I think in this one, we're going to do O'Reilly, Tavares, Marner. We have a left side faceoff.

Let's put out John Tavares and Ryan O'Reilly. I caught myself. Oh, close. Close. Yeah, it'll get you. Now, I actually missed this goal because Sportsnet now and you skipped at the same time. Oh, gosh. Yeah, it was like, ah!

It was crazy. All I saw was, all I saw was, scores! And you're like, ah! And I'm like, okay, we scored. So, I actually, I got to take you a little behind the scenes there. yeah it was a bit of a rough night for that well my stream was having technical difficulties in the third period and they didn't tell me in the oh in the room they didn't tell me that's the right move yeah don't tell me just keep going don't take me out of my zone and i

check my phone because my phone is how i get uh the questions cherry picked from the chat because i can't i mean it's going can't read the whole thing my wife texts me she's like oh no the stream is sticking there's a problem i go darling light of my life don't tell me that shut up i love you i'll talk to you after the game yeah i can't i can't and while we were fixing the um well actually i'm skipping a little ahead but we decided to put up a slate that said technical difficulties instead of showing a feature between the third period and overtime and they were trying to fix the issue and the whole time i'm just sitting there rocking back and forth like like a caged animal right because all i can think about is the game all i can think about is the

game if i think about how the thing's not working i'm gonna get very upset because i thought i It was, I thought, if I may quote the youths, bars. I thought I had bars on the tying goal, and I don't even know if it was recorded. Did anyone see it? I haven't seen it. I haven't watched it back. With the tying goal? Yeah.

Like what I said. I've seen the tying goal. I have no idea. And what's weird is my feed was fine. So I had no idea there was an issue. It is what it is. Shit happens to the internet. We can go back and check afterwards.

Yeah. We'll see. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Who cares? Did you see Back to the things on the ice Why did William Nylander take that face off On the left side

I didn't get that either So who was out there Was it Nyes, Matthews, Willie Yeah because Matthews took it on the other side Once the play went down the ice There was an icing and they just regrouped I noticed they did that with Yarncroke too Do they not trust Matthews on that side of the ice

What they've always done Dating back to the Babcock days Is they have um a right-handed shot with him to take the face off they don't do that with marner but um they're comfortable doing it with willie when austin and willie were on the same line they always did it and uh now that yarn croaks out there they have him do it because he's uh apt enough at uh face off so my assumption is matthews was kicked out of the face off no he wasn't oh he wasn't no then i have no willie willie lined up there and he took the face off it must have been some sort

of set play they were trying to pull off yeah i just i think when you doubt a goal in the third period of a playoff game trust us and matthews take a face off on either side yeah we've reached that point but they but they they got out of it but he loves that stuff he loves fucking messing with everything trying to play these little games throwing whoever on these lines and it works maybe whoever he was i should shut up maybe who he was taken on in the face off they're like he doesn't do good against righties it's like a pitcher thing or maybe every now and then an nhl coach is like fuck with them that's like he does that all the time with these lines and these little changes and i'm gonna shut up because they just keep winning i yeah i'll have patience for it as long as it

works yeah um now i want to uh jesse i sent this to you the maple leafs posted this on their twitter account uh what maple leaf square looked like when morgan riley tied it up just have a look oh that poor girl gets rocked the girl in the red tube yeah that was an explosion absolutely shit rocked so here we gotta watch watch it again you want the girl get i want i so keep an eye on the girl she's got the go leaves go sign with the red too okay all right all right so watch her watch watch her here we go here we go oh no dude i have been in that position when you don't expect you don't expect the mosh pit to break out oh no oh god i didn't notice but she comes back

yeah she goes right back she's a warrior we lose her for a little bit where's she coming so that's what everyone was paying attention to if you go back to the beginning yeah i noticed something else so okay buddy standing right next to her next to the dude in the leafs jersey so he's blue jeans back black coat yes okay he's got his arms folded but in one of the in the arm that's tucked he's holding a cup of timmy's oh he's holding a cup of timmy's yeah watch he doesn't spill a drop oh you're right

how does he keep there's nothing in the cup look oh whatever drew sweater is just there's nothing barreling through the world and like he punches the cup directly someone's is that a carlton the

bear stuffy or what is that okay we don't need to overanalyze this video it's a carlton the bear uh turnover chain i need it is it actually my life yeah does that exist giant ass carlton bear i need that leo's favorite thing in the world is carlton bear um i have a carlton the bear shirt that i wear when i need him to behave so then we go to overtime then we go to overtime and i want to You know, going in over time, everybody's nervous. Everybody's feel like, because here's the thing. As a Leaf fan, you enjoyed that comeback,

but you also know what it's like to be a Leaf fan. And this could still easily go Tampa's way, and then the comeback didn't matter. Do you remember that really super cool comeback that Toronto had against Columbus in 2020? In the bubble, yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. And they won that game, but then they lost the series.

And I was sad about it. Yeah, they had the worst game five ever. So no one talks about it because it's not worth revisiting. It sucks because you know the outcome, right? Now, so I'm in this one. I'm going in. So I'm like, please, please, at least in this period, come out strong. That was the last time, by the way, they had come back from three goals down in playoff history.

Can you name the other two times? The Leafs? Yeah, they've done it four times in their history. No, I can't. They've come back from three goals down in a playoff game. One was last night. One was Columbus. And then there was two more times.

There's the same team. One was a 5-4 OT win. The other was a 4-3 OT win. In the Stanley Cup Final. Oh, God. So the Cup Final won, I don't know. Detroit, was it against Detroit? Oh, there you go.

Wow! Because I feel like at least one of their ones in the 60s was against Detroit. Also, there's only five teams. There it is. Label those. Yeah, you should put emojis over the buttons. Yeah, I haven't gotten there yet. Calm down.

What's he been doing? The other one was Detroit 1936. 36! 1936, April 9th, 1936. In the Stanley Cup final, the Leafs came back from three goals down to win 4-3 in overtime. The other time was 1993 versus the Detroit Red Wings. came back uh from a in they won in overtime 5-4 that was the north division semi-final is that the borchevsky goal it uh it was the borchevsky series sorry norris division semi-finals yeah

and detroit was a really good team that year they thought they were going to win the cup leaf should not have won that series yeah no but they did uh shut up shut up they won they won uh so we go into we go into overtime and you're just begging that they that they come out flying and the leafs did and that's what leads directly to something you never see although we did see it twice uh once in two different games yesterday uh we saw a penalty in overtime in vegas vegas winnipeg and we saw a penalty in overtime toronto and tampa and what the guy that's been the one that in everybody's doghouse all game long william neilander is the one that draws it but why why was he able to do that move those feet and i mean you have to call that you you they're only

gonna call a penalty in overtime if you force them like it's egregious it's egregious like um you know they don't want to call a penalty because they don't want to have an impact on the game that's one of those ones that's so severe you have an undoubted impact on the game by not calling it William Nylander's got the game on a stick there if he without Sergeyev he gets that shot off that might have been game right there he's got an imminent scoring chance and he's

taken down at the legs by a defender you have to call that every time every single time if it happened if the Leafs did it you'd have to call it you have to call it every time it's dead to rights and it's huge because it's Sergeyev yeah and it's Sergeyev and that's crazy

now there were some crazy chances on this power play i think it was their best power play before the goal since game two like they had no i like since they left toronto they've not really had a great power play it's funny i feel like their best power plays are the ones that don't get to the second unit yeah yeah and uh well i meant game two game two oh right yeah but willie sets up this goal he draws the penalty he sets up the goal curve foot give and go with giordano yeah and and here's the thing if i were to told you that Sheldon Keefe was going to go with Nyes, Yarncroke, Kerfoot, Hall, and Geo, and that is the line that scores the goal in overtime, you would have been like, I can't believe

he's putting that line out there in overtime that's a fireable offense. Noted net front presence, Alex Kerfoot. You're going to apologize? You're going to apologize? He was great. That was a great goal. For calling me useless for 82 games? I don't think that's what I said.

I believe you said he was useless. You said useless-ass Kerfoot. Wow. Okay, I am not Jake B. Leafs. Who I think may have actually said that. But, listen, I do have to apologize. There you go. Because at the trade deadline, I talked about...

I mean, we were talking about hypotheticals. And we talked about if the Leafs were to lose in the first round. you can't put any blame on Dubas because he did this he did that he did that he did that and he pulled out all the stops well not quite all of them because they still had that void on the left wing now remember we hadn't seen a second of Matthew Nyes in the NHL it's a complete mystery box we have no idea we don't know Bunting is getting suspended and Kerfoot was still semi-regularly playing top six minutes and i wanted to stick up for kyle but i'm like that's inexcusable that's indefensible was the worst thing in the world in your mind uh i was upset

about it yeah yeah and kerfoot scores the biggest goal for the leafs in these playoffs maybe and i mean they've scored so many fucking unbelievable goals uh two overtime winners in the same series when was the last time they had two ot winners in the same series i'm very happy that that wasn't the move at the trade deadline to dump kerfoot and try and get some more salaries well it wasn't even about dumping him it was about push him down the lineup which i thought would have been the move and they couldn't even do that and they just choose to keep them and they love them for a reason uh and it wasn't just the tip an amazing tip if you go and look as soon as geo flexes that he's about to shoot kerfoot like just very subtly just takes this little bunny hop

right into vasilevsky's line of vision and he's he's doing the meerkat all game he's doing the meerkat poking up out of his little hole and i think if this shot gets through there's a chance it would have gone in anyway yep yep he didn't see this thing and it's because of kerfoot perfect screen no defenders on him at all and he gets the beauty tip beauty tip off the bar too and that fucking thing it hits the bar and like skirts the line for a few inches too and you're like you rotten bastard

get in that friggin net and it did and my head still hurts and by the way quick correction on this yarn croak was not on the ice it was nice curve foot Willie I believe that's what it was well Willie was on the ice he set it up so it doesn't matter

nice is out there too I want to send there's a couple of people that have just the the enormous passion um so jesse i want to first off i want to play what what happened when maple leaf square when the puck went in we'll see if the tim hortons cup and the poor girl in the red hat survive uh so i've got it there i just sent it to you over text and then i'm going to follow it up with when we already did no it's a new one this is that this is the overtime goal oh you want to yeah i just want to play together sid six arrow was on one this morning was he what was he saying breakfast television what was he saying oh he was just

showing all the fan reactions oh it's amazing there was a a couple are you bringing up the couple no there was a man and a woman and and the dude was a leaf fan and the woman was a lightning fan oh and she was like mad at him yeah well he gives her a kiss and goes i love you and she just goes no yeah pete blackburn i think tweeted that clip out he's like he got to enjoy that for all of five seconds on the ice by the way was willie kerfoot geo nice yarn croak oh it was yarn croak okay there you go and then this is the uh madness at maple leaf square when uh all right red hat watch the red hat holding her ground she's still there and they don't run her over this time that was nice that was nice yeah i feel like she's she's

she's working through that mosh pit pretty well nice oh the hugging oh my gosh right there that is so sincere oh my gosh look at oh my god who's who's crowd surfing oh dude that's the second straight game there's been crowd surfing that's awesome shout out those guys oh so much fun so i just sent you another video and this is from fan first network uh and they basically they go out and they they talk to fans like where the fans are um and uh they sent us a little video and i thought you guys would really really like this this is fans at maple leaf square right after the overtime goal by the way shout out fan first network who uh ryan who i don't know if he heads up like the whole thing

but he's one of the founders i talked to him on uh last week when i was there for game number one awesome dude and i'm very happy that they've they found some traction with this uh with their little network uh can't can't say nice things enough nice things about them so here's here's the little video they sent us hey shout out to steve dangle that one's for you baby shout out to you man shout out to you that's amazing shout out you guys yeah that's doing it that's really cool it's you know those

the ones after the Knicks games where Bing Bong went famous yeah yeah yeah they're just as good as all that shit Bing Bong

Bing Bong they're gonna have some moment that's if the Leafs keep winning this the fan first now we're gonna have

some moment that's just as good as Bing Bong and they find the most rabbit yeah you guys are great at the stuff you do

especially on TikTok and they have this enormous dude who just flags people down oh is that what they do well you didn't i can't no you weren't there no it was uh the avalanche game there's some dude who's like like if jesse ate jesse like he's just he's just he's like a bouncer but he's like they're uh um he's like associate producer or something like that who's like hey you want to be a camera and you're like yes yeah yes i would love to do that

sir the abominable fucking snowman jesus christ give me a sec um i'm gonna run you through some stats marner two points matthews two goals o'reilly one point kneelander three points riley one goal and that is just from the start of the third straight through overtime that's so fucked before the third period only one of those players had a point and that's o'reilly with another assist of course the big stars for the leafs marner matthews o'reilly kneelander and riley got it done and the great thing is is that's not all the big stars on the leafs you know john tavares did get a hat trick earlier this year or this this series right remember remember remember uh a couple other things is uh like a couple things i thought a guy who's been a factor this

entire series for the leafs uh or against sorry against the leafs is cory perry and i don't remember seeing him last night the fourth line for the lighting was not nearly as effective and i wonder if uh like that's the fuck up line it's to fuck you up right um are you doing a bunch of good things are you getting things done well we're gonna send those guys out there to fuck you up right and uh the lightning didn't need them right they didn't need them to disrupt now where they could have maybe been a little bit more useful is while the leafs were coming back uh i mean there are six minutes between 4-1 and 4-4 yeah but maybe you decide that's not the line i want to put out there in defensive situations you know who's been there's only one player on

tampa i think who's been noticeably bad patty maroon and like i'm not picking on the guy the amount of he's the only lightning player turning the puck over in the offensive zone regularly um and they send them send them in there and he's good at doing certain things for sure and i don't want him down low with the puck and i don't want him in front of the net with the puck but in these past two games where the leafs have really gotten outplayed and really gotten their asses kicked by the lightning they're taking the puck off him with ease with ease if if you i don't know how cooper combats that because you got colton paul you know which is just such a bad time like do you do you know belmar perry i mean you have to use maroon somehow yeah yeah you do

he's he's been noticeably bad in these past two games when the lightning have been dominant uh Lightning Insider, Eric Erlinson, basically he said, since defeating Dallas in overtime of Game 4 of the 2020 Stanley Cup Final, the Bolts have a 1-8 overtime record in the playoffs. The losses came Dallas Game 5, Florida Game 2, Carolina Game 2, Islanders Game 6, Montreal Game 4, Colorado Game 1, Colorado Game 4, and Toronto now Game 3 and 4. I think their one win was New York Buster.

So I guess they're 1-9 now. I guess they'd be 1-9 in overtime since the Stanley Cup. It's not great. How do you pull that off? Three straight cup finals? I know. How do you pull that off? What I thought was interesting is they could cite a stat that is that many overtimes,

and it's only been three years. Like for the Leafs, if that was— That's true. Well, the Leafs overtimes, it's been like— You'd have to spread that over 25 years for the Leafs. Yeah, I'm trying to— Sergachev's like coming up on 100 playoff games. He's 24.

I know. Like they— This team has played a lot of hockey. it's wild a lot of hockey crazy um just 24 yeah fuck off uh riley suggested after the game that uh tampa's game changed as soon as they got up in the game steve doesn't believe you i don't believe you i was gonna look it up adam's looking it up right now he's determined he's 20 he's 20 He went to school with Matthew Nights He's 24

He's fucking 24 96 playoff games Damn I can't believe it I actually can't believe it As proof of me not trusting Adam Lothar How the fuck is he 24? Because he was drafted a while ago man

And he was traded a while ago Like he was traded when he was like 19 Oh I thought you'd think he's older Yeah I did I thought he was older Yeah, I'm shocked he's still so young. It feels like we've had Sergeyev forever. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm shocked he's still only 24. Yeah. The Russian Sam Gagne. He's younger than all the stars in the league. He's also been playing since almost the beginning, right? Yeah. As soon as he got traded for Drouin, he was playing.

And he played four games for Montreal ever. But the 17-18 season, which is the first time the Leafs made the playoffs in the Matthews era. 16-17. Okay, 16-17. So he played his first full season after that. He had 40 points in 79 games his first year. It feels like he's a 10-year veteran.

Yeah, well, he plays like it. He's amazing. We don't put nearly enough stock into playoff numbers when we talk about a player's career. Yeah, I agree with that. Look at Ryan O'Reilly. There's somebody who doubles his output in points just because it's the playoffs.

Well, later in his career, he'll come up on a thousand regular season games and you'll be like oh here's circuit says thousandth game no it extraordinarily isn't because by then he'll be flirting with like 200 playoff games right right um so uh morgan riley suggested that tampa's game changed as soon as they got up four to one and it seemed to allow the leafs to come back because they opened up because and and then john cooper followed that up with what's that cliche you play not to lose Dude, they're struggling to play with the lead, man. The Lightning are struggling to play with the lead.

Sheldon Keefe said, team feels different. Does it feel different to you guys? You understand why I'm hesitant to say yes. Oh, the head coach is saying it. Do you feel it or do you not feel it? From right now. They are getting moments and they are showing poise in those big moments that they have not gotten in the past uh the leafs of the past and maybe even

like a few weeks ago play better first and second periods than this team probably but the third period they just work they just do the right things until the right things happen for them and they do those until they get a break and then all of a sudden that break leads to momentum and then all of a sudden you've taken over the game that's what happened last night right it wasn't just waiting on a handful of flukes they took it they took it from the lightning you know you're not just you can you can look at game three and go boy they got fucking lucky they got six shots yeah in a game where they couldn't get anything going offensively the third period was their first or sorry worst offensive period six to three were the shots so you're

seeing tampa do something there and you're seeing the leafs not be able to accomplish their goal you're seeing the lightning crawl into a shell but you're also seeing it work because they held their opponent to six shots you say vassy you have to stop six shots he'd tell you every day he could do that every day every fucking day right and you could look at game three and go that was one that got away from us that was unlucky game four i'm not sure that's what happened they got out the leafs got outplayed no doubt but they took that moment and they built to that moment they built to the first matthews goal they built to the second matthews goal they built to the riley tying goal and they dominated the overtime and they built to that win

fucking a that just hasn't been there in the past it just hasn't been there here it is feels good feels fucking great so i think uh because after after game one i heard from a lot of people who were upset at me because i called tampa washed and um after game one performance you know it didn't really look that way but seeing how the rest of the series has played out i think it's clearly not the same tampa team that went to three straight stanley cup finals because you have a leafs team that seems to you know you got you got a lion on on your sleeve on your on your arm there steve like what's that lion doing if he sees a wounded antelope he uh he well this one's a friendly

lion oh he's so he goes to a vegan you gotta leave steve who seems to have the determination to take advantage of a wounded animal you know and it seems like tampa in the past wouldn't let these games slip away and i think john cooper saying that hey we we kind of sat back and when we gave up this game like that's that's not a thing that you'd expect out of this tampa roster and whether it's they don't have the same horses that they've had over the last three years because of all because of the nature of the salary cap whether it's the amount of games they've played whether it's just a slip in your determination because you can only do this for so long the personnel they've lost all the guys like all the things that go into it is a large factor in the

Leafs seizing an opportunity where hey we can get back into this game we're not done yet and they've done it and like all kudos to the to Leafs and it's on both sides I think it's you have a Tampa team that's not the same as it was last year and you have a Leafs team that's grown that's mature that knows that hey we need to take advantage of this opportunity because we can come back here and acquired the right guys and acquired the right guys like ryan o'reilly and and nola chari who recognize these situations and come to the fight what percentage of leaf goals through the first four games have achari and o'reilly gotten a goal or an assist on like what percent of the leafs goals have come directly from that trade fucking kyle tuck your shit yeah unbelievable yeah it's

great unbelievable guys i want to ask you what's it going to take to win game five in toronto what do they got to do i want a great game from sammy well yeah i think we could all just like sit back and be real happy and play with our toys if sammy just like stood on his head well that'd be cool i don't want him to have to that'd be cool it'd be cool just every once in a while i just want a goaltender game don't even fucking worry about your offensive defense they haven't really gotten it like i watched no that's not true game three we'll get to we'll get to dallas but like jake ottinger won a whole game on his own there's no business they have i would i would like to see one of those that's just that's pie in the sky that's well it's baked into the cake jesse that

if the series goes seven ottinger stealing at least two yeah like it's jake ottinger right that's that's what he does if the jets are gonna have any chance against vegas hellebuck's gonna have to stand on his skull and brain right um i don't know why i said that like a soprano's henchmen but um they've got to control more of the game than they did in game three and game four they've got to pretend this two day break does not exist they have got to act like it's a continuation of game four and you have again to use the term a wounded animal you have a lightning team that is dejected and does not have the momentum on their side and they are not doing the right things mentally and they are not doing the right things physically and they

are getting outworked and buckling in the moment which is just something you can't count on them always doing i do not want to see that fucking building again i do not want to go back there for game six and i mean it can happen we saw it with the raptors in 2019 they lost game five with the 3-1 series lead and we all said oh fuck they gotta go back to oracle if they lose that game in oracle i don't even want to know what's going to happen in game seven they pulled it off in oracle they won it they literally shut the building down it's the last game ever played there have we already seen the last game in amelie arena god i hope so i hope so sheldon has to have his best game of the series okay what does that mean what does that mean it means the lightning

can't control as much of the play as they have at home he's got to free up his big guys he's got to play with the lines they certainly look freer at home the big guys of course you gotta you gotta shelter the minutes of the of your third pair and geo and hall you got to put them in a position to succeed and move your fucking feet move your fucking feet and

it's just a good thing to do anyway I was about to say you might draw some calls five six and seven do not count on that shit especially yeah getting a getting calls going your favor yeah especially getting one in the third and overtime of that

game deserved calls deserved calls but they still keep score of this stuff do not count on the power play existing in game 5, 6, and 7 you can't, so you have to do better at

5 on 5 we talked about the power play being a potential liability heading into the series, it's the only reason they're still in it, right you gotta be better at 5 on 5 yeah I think they do it in 6 I think the moment might be a little too big on Thursday.

We'll see. I'm rooting for them to win, obviously. But I look at how Colorado had the opportunity up 3-1 last year versus Tampa. And Tampa went into Denver and was like, we're not going home. And then Colorado had to be like, okay, deep breaths, everybody. Let's go back to Amway and take care of business. And I think it plays out something similar like that. I kind of wonder if the two-day break helps the Leafs.

because listen i've been nervous and everything and i've been wired and i just feel like that doesn't last 48 hours like it's there's some point your brain goes all right like the danger's not coming you know what i mean that's your fight or flight response goes maybe the big scary monster isn't about to pounce out of the trees and and you know i can everything is fine the other thing that i think works potentially in the leafs advantage sheldon keith talked about there being several game time decisions in the lineup now that could be a coach being a silly goose and a big liar that was weird i think he was telling the truth and i think my little theory is i think a bug is going through the team they have been uncharacteristically shit

and they've been able to turn it on for brief sprints but they've been uncharacteristically this is based on any information no it's based on conversations i've had and we're all just guessing um i you know some of the post-game reports i was just looking at some of the faces and i'm like you do not look like you've slept does bunting get in i think he has to and i think uh my buddy nick laflame uh nakash ganguly um had the uh answer yarn croak matthews marner uh nice tavaris nice tavaris kneelander thank you bunting o'reilly achari okay and the fourth line aston reese camp kerfoot kerfoot so lafferty comes out lafferty comes out it's haven't seen a lot from lafferty this series to be honest no and and you

get tunnel vision sometimes and i've been thinking okay if bunting's gonna get in and you want to keep knives in that means aston reese has to come out no it doesn't and again damn there's another benefit of having alexander kerfoot on your team is the dude plays all three forward positions you could also regular season say you could have one of bunting or ass and reese on the right but i don't think either of them have played the right this season regular season me would be like i want him to earn it back by going through the fourth line and the third line but they just don't have the time right and he is like listen we we could all be angry or disappointed with michael bunting and what he did the reality is the guy's a 50 point player in 160 something games at the least

he has over 100 points uh he's 23 goal scorer this year that's no joke man and when he's at his best he is a pest and that's the kind of guy that when you play with o'reilly and achari uh boy i hate to split up the nice o'reilly achari line because that's been really really good i got a fun one Bring some speed, though. What if you swap Yarncroke and Bunting? What if you give Bunting his top line spot back? I think you're out of your fucking mind. He hasn't learned to think.

I also think you're out of your fucking mind. Yarncroke's also been good. And Yarncroke's been good. But I was thinking you're at home. I was thinking you're at home. You make a pure shutdown line of Yarncroke, O'Reilly, and Achari. But a pure shutdown line I don't think works against Tampa because it's not that simple.

Yeah. what's and i don't want sheldon to get caught up in the matchup do not let tampa dictate the game especially in the first dictation can't go anywhere no he's got to stay there the bunting's got to go somewhere else if he comes back in but bunting i also think should come back in i i think you should i think not your 13th best four i think we're in agreement that's the struggle i think we're in agreement he should come back in and i think we're in agreement he should come back into the bottom six yeah and like and you can play around you guys are parents you know If your kid messes up and then they want their toy back,

you don't give them back right away, right? No. How do you discipline your kid if they want something back after screwing up? You put on Blippi. Bunting shouldn't get rewarded with the fucking top six. Exactly. Give him a bottom six. 20 minutes ago, Matthew Nyes, this is a quote,

Matthew Nyes is certainly not coming out of the lineup. He's done a terrific job for us. He's a guy that definitely has earned his spot and the opportunity to continue to play for us. That is from Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe. There you go. Yeah, so it's probably laugh. I think it's laugh.

Laugh at your ass and erase if it's anybody. Do you not like bunting on a fourth line roll? Yes, I do. I like the top three lines the way they are. Why mess with them? Why are we moving any of those guys for a guy that, frankly, needs to earn it? Bunting doesn't have his head on straight because the moment's so big and he needs to go out in there and fucking headhunt people.

So he should be on the fourth line. I think we can agree that if the Leafs are going to go on a run here, they need him. Yes. They need him. And I think it's important. He's an important enough part of this team that he needs to be a part of this thing that they're trying to do, which is winning a fourth game in a series.

Also, this is such a good problem. We're sitting here arguing about they have too many good forwards. We need to fit Michael Bunting, who's probably a top 12 forward in every single, all 32 teams lineups. This is a great problem. Top line gets a D zone draw. Yarncroke, Matthews, Marner. Top line gets an O zone draw. Why not try Bunting, Matthews, Marner?

No, but you can do it. It's an option. You can say Tavares, Willie, Matthews. You can say anybody. And just so you know, as of right now, according to Mark Masters, who talked to Sheldon Keefe this morning, Sheldon Keefe has not made a decision on Michael Bunting. And I doubt we'll know until game time. He's not telling a shit. Don't show your hand.

Yeah. Again, I go back to game four and five. How have they done without Michael Bunting? What have they done? They've won three straight. i go back to games four and five of the leafs hab series and the leafs win game four and they take the 3-1 series lead and they had they're coming off a shutout and they take dermot out to put sandin back in and sandin had a horrible game five and never got it back and the team never

got it back and i'm certainly not blaming it on sandin it was just part of the problem now here we are same same situation similar i think it's different with a forward coming back in especially like he's not a fringe forward right this is a key part of the team but to get back to the previous conversation of hall and lilligren not a chance not a chance leave hall in there yeah have them figure it out oh have them figure it out no don't fuck with it don't Because Lilligren goes in there, has a bad game. All of a sudden, you're going to Hull for game six, and you're making the exact same mistake over again.

Thank you. Leave it. Leave it. Leave it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't even look at it. I'm going to make Hull Army t-shirts.

I'm going to lead the Hull Army. There will be you, Cam Chiron, and Kyle Dubas. Kyle Dubas. I think. Ian Tulloch. Well, Ian, of course. I'm not surprised by Ian at all. Hull, yeah.

Oh, yeah. It's in a picture of his face, and he's all happy. I love that. Oh, yeah. I love that. Can we make a T-shirt? I'd buy that. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That's good. It's great. I'm sure it's the OT winner of the cup. Let's talk to Dave about the odds coming up on Thursday night. You can bet that with David Bastel. Brought to you by Sports Interaction. Get in the action and make a play.

19 plus. Please play responsibly. All right, so listen, Dave, I know you want to talk about the Leafs and Lightning, but we just want to say that we have been rooting for the Jets. Rooting for the Jets. Despite what Jesse Pollock does at Maple Leaf Square all the time, trolling Leaf fans.

Every time I watch the Jets, it's just, it's heartbreaking. We've been there before, and I'm sorry about game four, my friend. Yeah, it sucks, man. I just think, you know, based on injuries, based on, you know, only being that goal or two away it's yeah you never know right anything can happen but ah you kind of want it to split a little i know i know i know it was close okay so let's talk about i hope you you'd understand that i'm rooting for my bets so i'm rooting for vegas nothing wrong with that man i'm rooting for my friends you know what bets

that's why that's why you're the cool one all right dave so toronto and tampa thursday i mean we just spent a lot of time talking about it so cj predicted this exact scenario the least with a 3-1 lead and two days off so what are the odds saying because toronto hasn't been good with the lead in the series before you know hey you know what but it's a it's a different team right right now according to our odds makers Toronto, heavy favorites to clinch this series. For Game 5, it's a 1-6-3 for Tampa Bay, 2-3-2, over-under of 6.5 goals as kind of the normal for this series

because we've got two high-profile offenses and so forth. But I'll go one step further here. To clinch the series, Toronto is a 1-0-6, which basically tells me if I'm not paying attention to anything and I look at the numbers and I go, numbers talk to me. the odds makers are saying this is in the bag no we were rooting for you no come on dare you numbers are numbers are always going to be numbers guys i'm not counting anything else

and you know what different team different different leadership up front the additions have been very good close it out now right knockout punch i want to see a good first period by the way i was disappointed in that first oh it's bad because i'm i'm batting for them too right it's bad i want to punch in the first yeah that's right that's right thank you right in the teeth let's go yeah um dave neck right in the neck dave uh also we gotta we gotta shout out danglepicks.com uh power by sports interaction give it away mitch marner jersey i bet so heavy on the leafs and i was like i did great for sure i'm like a thousand great job steve and yeah yeah you know get on that jersey right i mean we have we have a wardrobe full of mitch marner autographed

jerseys you should take one too yeah you the listener yes yeah you are you deserve one you deserve one yeah i'm looking at the uh i want to see where i rank how do you how do you find it where you ran it's on the leaderboard section oh gosh i got a little oh i'm 751 last game yeah okay well you're in the top 755 you do jesse okay let me see let me see oh you're 100th oh my god jesse oh no you did really well oh nice and i made my picks on the show do you remember we all went through them yeah that was that game and i agreed with most of them how did i get killed losers this sucks anyway listen uh there's there's prizes for the top three in every single game. We got another one on

Thursday. And listen, here's what I'm hoping for. Well, Steve and Jesse aren't paying attention, Dave. What I'm hoping for is we get to do this season or we get to do this round two. That's what I'm hoping for. I want the second round. Baby, let's go. Let's do it. Dave, thanks so much.

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of a wild schedule now because we've been doing you know these guys play this night these guys play the next and now that's all about to change i'm going to run you through the schedule tonight it's hurricanes islanders wild stars kings oilers we don't get panthers or bruins until wednesday when we also get the Kraken and Avalanche, who I want to start with right now. So everybody, I guess, is getting that extra little day. Producer Drew, like, do we have to? Yeah, I know.

So obviously without Natushkin, it's difficult. And Landeskog. And Landeskog. And probably Makar. Well, so we'll get to the Makar thing. Seattle opens the scoring, though, with two more goals right in the first. And this time there's no kiss-blowing.

No. Right? Dude, it's a whole team elevating. Whole team elevating. and you look at will borgen and daniel sprung big time playoff performer daniel sprung like it's it's vegas all over again we look at the team and we're like who the fuck like where did this come from they part of me wonders if the expansion draft is perfect for everyone picked basically because i think sometimes players have a difficulty adapting to a third and fourth line

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nashville goes to seattle all of a sudden he's a destroyer of worlds now daniel sprung scored on a power play that was caused by kale mccarr this is in the first period and it's sort of surprising when you see it i have not seen this yet you haven't seen this hit yet no okay so to me so jared mccann is out for next game already we already know that he will not play in the next game and this was in the first period just he's got the screen shot up and that is a player not expecting to be hit are you able to take it off the screen so i can oh yeah it's not on yeah that is a pretty intense okay so it goes into the corner where's the puck yes the puck has there's no bearing on it there is no pot that's that's why it's so egregious there is no car

the puck goes towards the glass it goes like to the netting that initial contact with mccann i don't have a problem with yeah he shoves them and then he just hits them for no reason that's a bad hit oh and his head hits the glass can't do and you see the way he falls right you know when a hockey player falls and they're ready to get back up he falls with his arms out yeah they're not even catching him oh no yeah that's a bad hit that's a bad hit and he will uh nhl player safety said this morning he will have a hearing uh by the way the last two tweets nhl player safety sent out were about the Leafs of course uh what the bunting suspension and the Lafferty fine that's right of course um yeah that's a bad hit that's a bad hit and like okay Colorado's gonna be without

a star for game five so Seattle that's their best player it's your best forward highest scoring forward I'm sorry producer Drew I mean I've seen some comparisons to other hits and I mean it wasn't as bad that's it's bad though it's it's a bad hit it's a bad hit it's a cheap shot it's steve you have to understand the puck is the other way yeah the puck's not even the other way it's not even 20 feet close to the you're gonna have to you're gonna have to work pretty hard to convince me that's much different than what bunting did with cernak those are two ineligible players to be hit i think the difference is bunting was a direct head yeah yeah and macar macar's his interference so bunting got three does macar get two does he get

a discount because i think he's i think he's getting one he's it he's getting he's getting a game i think we're all in agreement he's gone for game five yes but he's getting a game that's i'd be upset if it was only one i and i that's understandable but i for seattle but dude but the line 40 goals the line they set with bunting was three and i was like that's a lot but then they explained it and i was like three makes sense after we watched the um department of player safety video that we all love uh high-staking history and this mccarr hit i think it's two by that precedent of a guy who's nothing to do with the play he hits his head um the injury which we know now they take into a factor which i didn't think they were what they do sometimes and they don't

other yes so when it's convenient they can just make judgments and say oh he's gonna be out for a long time so we're going to add that on they include that in the video with bunting so i think it's got to be two and if they do it to one then fucking i want you to remember something though bunting never had a fine never had a suspension but bunting was due for a lifetime achievement award that should be a factor but it is but we know that and kale mccarr is not due for that not traditionally a dirty but if you're going by what it should be no prior history they are both that same category and i'm with you 100 i just think it's going to be one game and there's going to be people who are ticked about it so we know we know the similarities between this hit and the

bunting hit we know the differences i think we agree it's not as bad but still bad if it's any other player i think it's money in the bank that it's two but it's kel mccarr i don't know what do you guys think about the fact that they reviewed this and i think they called it a two minute in the game yeah it was two minutes two minutes for interference it's an interference call that leads to an injury i don't know how you call that back but do you think it should have been five yeah and and i'll tell you another factor uh with the um suspensions and everything we look at The big ones, the Leafs have gotten, or not even the big ones. Clifford, we were like, geez, that's stiff.

And Bunting, geez, that's stiff. And Kadri, geez, that's stiff. Especially banning him from the whole playoff matchup. That's still an unjustifiable suspension, by the way. Yes, it is. We're suspending him for an undisclosed amount of games. What the fuck? What?

You just can't have him. For the rest of the series, however long the series lasts. What the fuck? are you a professional sports league or what what is that anyway um early in the series and that matters right we're talking about guys who were suspended for game two and three and four if we're ignoring the second cadre one which is a hilarious sentence right this goes into five six and seven you suspend them one game it's perfectly understandable and And I think we understand that, you know, you know, something that works against Makar

that Bunting did get dinged for Bunting got five and hurt the team and it cost them the game. You got five and the game Makar only got the minor. It's like equivalent to like four games because he got the three and then a half. Yeah. If it's anyone not named Kel Makar, it's fucking two. That's one. It's one.

It's two. I'm convinced. So, so, but if he gets to, it's an elimination game. Yeah. Well, no. Yes, it is. Oh, like for somebody. Oh, yeah.

For somebody. You're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah. For someone. Yeah. Right?

I mean, likely Colorado. Hey. Watch out. Watch out. I agree. I mean, they've played short all season, basically. But now you're down Landeskog, Nechushkin, Makar, Maroon. Oh, you mean an elimination game for Colorado could be eliminated, most likely.

Is that what you were saying? If Makar's not there. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I thought you were saying it the other way, like they're going to eliminate Seattle game. I think they're on the ropes here. It's a nightmare for them.

I hope Ron Francis and Joe Sackick put on their best suits and wear their nicest ties and do whatever they need to do with their hair because they are going to be pleading their case in a move that could potentially win Seattle the series and lose it for Colorado. The fact that they gave him two minutes for interference on the play after going to video review shows me that they're probably going to be a little lenient on this. Yes, they are. Because they've already looked at it one time in real time amongst themselves as referees. That's probably how the league is looking at this. It's probably one game.

Well, then give him nothing. Like, if you had a chance to review it and it's two minutes, then give him nothing. That's very interesting. But they are not going to do that. And he is going to get a game, and everybody will be like, and then we'll move on. No, but that's a fantastic point. If you looked at this and said it was two minutes for interference, there shouldn't be supplemental discipline because it was just a minor penalty. But the big problem with what you guys are doing is you're looking at this with logic, guys.

Look at it the way the NHL does, which is we don't want to be held to a standard. so we'll do whatever we feel like today is the sun shining well I guess it's two games if it was cloudy I'd have given him one the league has to

now by giving Makar even one game the league is directly contradicting the officials

of that game and I want to know if I honestly want to know and again none of this will ever take place but I would love to know

what the officials justification for that was if they actually had to be accountable like NBA refs and have to write it down that would be my first question how did you come to the conclusion to reduce this this player left

the game if I'm Joe Sackett that is the principal like if oh god where's your wife for this one Adam we need a lawyer in the room like that is my principal argument in NHL player safety court is NHL officials veteran NHL officials who were picked to work in the playoffs not everyone's picked to work in the playoffs with the stanley cup champions they had a chance to review this and they called it two minutes why is my guy getting anything why is my guy getting anything and i i wouldn't want to be that crew i would not want to be that crew if the nhl chooses to make this suspension what is the conversation going on today between that officiating crew i think it's stephen walkham who's the head of officiating and the league what is that

conversation today if listen we all watch that play and not knowing what the penalties were we all agreed it was a suspension if i'm joe sackick i have every right if my player is suspended no matter how long it is to scream bloody murder as to why you reviewed it you called it too my guy did the time did they get scored on uh no i don't think they scored on that power play on the on the macar power play i believe they did yeah that was the score on that one yeah yeah yeah they scored two times on the power play your honor it was a one goal game and it cost us a goal and they reviewed it and colorado's got a case they're gonna get one going now uh if that's eric johnson i think that's five you know yeah like five and five and like in the moment five

games no no in that moment i think the referees gave kale mccarr some benefit out and they gave him that too and that's ridiculous i think it's really i think it's way easier to give that penalty to kyle clifford yep then uh arguably the best defenseman in the world that's tough um so uh so with that with that fun party uh miko ranton comes back and basically puts the team on his back in the second period. Scores 15 minutes in and then scores again within the last minute of the

second period. You go, fucking Colorado, man. They are a Stanley Cup winning team. Without Natushkin, without now they had Kael McCarr. Kael McCarr soon to be out. Landis Kock. Landis Kock. With all the players that they don't have and no Kadri either.

Mikko Rantanen is still able to do that. He has five goals this playoff already in four games. It's amazing. nothing happens in the third and we have been talking about the most consequential penalty of the future series but what we have not yet talked about is the most consequential penalty of this game which occurred in overtime with josh manson this penalty robbed colorado of the game josh manson has been a thorn in the side of colorado avalanche fans a little bit if they're going to dog anybody, it's this guy

because he is very good, but then he takes dumbass penalties. Not a chance they win the cup without him. No, not a chance. Not a chance. But you also see Avs fans go, ah, Josh! And this is for tripping. Now, I want to talk about tripping in overtime.

I mean, well. We had two tripping calls in overtime yesterday, but what did you say about the first tripping call that we talked about? Dead to rights. you have to call it um willie had an imminent scoring chance and he took out both legs you don't you don't have a choice but to call that penalty and you are directly affecting the game by not calling it penalty uh josh manson's penalty came at 159 so that's two minutes into the game

a minute later jordan everly scores his first goal of the playoffs from jayden schwartz and Daniel Sprong, who had a heck of a game. He's, man, he's so underrated, Jordan Eberle. Still. Still. Still. Seattle dominated this game. 43 shots to 22, 52 hits to 37, 37 face-off

wins to 29, 2 for 5 on the power play, less penalties, less giveaways, actually less takeaways, and 26 block shots. This was a Seattle game top to tail, and they only barely squeaked it out against a very depleted abs lineup just shows you how good the abs are i don't i don't think leaf fans can be

annoyed today but flyers fans cover your ears i think we need to give dave hackstall some credit here i think so too he i think so too head coach of a team that is outmatched on paper they are well and i don't think when when hackstall was in philly i don't think we realized how chaotic the front office was that hadn't really come to the air come to the fore yet yeah and then he joined voodoo wizardry and bullshit with uh toronto and he goes to seattle and it's amazing what they can do with a few saves jesse is so desperately trying to find this i want to show you because you haven't seen it right i'm trying to show you this like five minutes fucking tripping penalty is that it right there yeah okay let's see it let's see which obviously we can't

show it but um oh that's and then is this going to the goal here yeah that's the goal that's the right that i saw there it is yeah everly scores here we go tie game i mean yeah he got walked right they were just they out like that's the thing jaden schwartz we'll go one more time again imminent scoring chance they don't have a choice break out here and then yeah but he just goes right for the dive and you have to wonder what manson is doing there because he closes in on his defensive partner if you can jesse if you'd rewind it back to the blue line for a second if you just show the screen grab here at the blue line oh my right there where josh manson is the guy in the middle of the ice and he is turning just realizing that

jayden schwartz is there that his you got two guys covering nobody who's in the neutral zone is that mckinnon he's pointing is he look at him he's like oh fuck like that is i mean that's the kind of stuff like you're puck watching josh man straight up i cut off the pass i believe the pass just went through there whatever get the man get the man come on man the leafs have done that a few times where i'm like holy fuck like oh if you okay you give yourself a higher chance of cutting off the pass what if you don't no i mean mckinnon when you were saying he's pointing oh mckinnon he's trying to block them his stick is out there's nothing to forgive so his stick was there yeah that's bad man anyways it's bad um bad i i uh yeah i want to leave that series for a sec

and I want to talk about this series Jesse's favorite series my favorite series New York New Jersey baby and guess what guess who scored Rangers fans oops sorry guess who scored who scored that's playoff performer Andre Palat baby

oh I thought you were going to say Jacques Hughes well Jacques Hughes scored on a beautiful breakaway goal I think he's done that twice this series he's a good player amazing good player Vinny Trocek tried it up tied it up at the beginning of the third and then Siegenthaler and Palat Palat put it away at the end, but Siegenthaler was the one that gave him the go-ahead goal about eight minutes into the third. Home ice is lava.

A lot of – Gallant, like, went off on the team. And he was mad. He had every right to because the Hedo line, the third line was good. Don't call them kids line. The fourth line, the Goudreau line, was pretty good. The top six was completely – they disappeared. and it was so strange to to have the rangers where when you have all of that all of the stars like we'll name them all panarin zabinijad tarasenko kane they didn't exist last game power play got

booed it was awful and you just you wonder like if it's uh a mentality thing like they took it a little too easy they didn't get up for it because all those guys are gamers obviously but for them just to not show up and the thing that was most upsetting was that they allowed new jersey to play new jersey's game that's how new jersey won they sped up that fucking game it was all back and forth and they ran them into the ground and the first two games of the series they didn't allow that at all that's why they went back-to-back 5-1 games because they shut that down and then game three it was very close very close all game um i don't think i think they showed up for most of it and then they let it go and um akira had a great game in net i'm just gonna say i have i

have something here in game four he didn't have to be great it was 22 shots made every single save there's no high danger opportunities devils fans i made the same mistake you did so let me apologize in the way that you did sorry lindy and i don't understand how that top six just allowed the devils to play the devils hockey that they've been playing all season when we've reached the playoffs you you're at home you have an opportunity to put them on the brink of elimination and you just don't show up it was fucking it was egregious you can't do that that's the thing with the devils man like i i wasn't for them in the series because i thought the rangers would grind them down the second you stop doing that though they yeah they could probably eat you alive yeah and that's

That's exactly what's happened, and a few save calls. Vitek Vanacek gave up nine goals on 52 shots in the first two games of the series. Akira Schmidt has given up two goals on 58 shots. Wow. Hey, so we got Vegas and we got Winnipeg for the final series, at least what that happened last night. And honestly, I hate saying this.

Winnipeg won more face-offs. It was pretty even otherwise. Winnipeg got two power play goals, but it is feeling to me like, as Jesse pointed out, the very mid-Vegas Golden Knights are midding Winnipeg right out of this series. And with, who is it? Ehlers, Morrissey, Shifley. Perfetti is an underrated miss. Huge, huge.

Yeah. Absolutely. And they're going back to Vegas. Really tough to overcome. And the thing is, Shifley just scored the goal that he needed to score. And then, you know, later on in the game, he's hurting. And Pierre-Luc Dubois said after the game, he was kind of like, you know, we got to. He's like, we can feel sorry for ourselves or we can just get to work.

He needs to have the game of his life. Lowry has to have the game of his life. Hellebuck has to stand on a skull and brain. Yeah. I mean, there's no mysteries about game five. Right. Yeah. I mean, we know exactly what they need to win.

They need a few superhuman performances. they need some performances that are unreasonable to ask for um but that's what the playoffs are about they got like neil pionk right now is just trying his best to hold the team together he was he skated for 27 minutes oh my god he's gonna play for even more in game yeah like next game it might be 60 yeah like the dude that whole decor is just trying their absolute hardest right now it's just not enough and i hope people don't take the vegas has mid stats uh thing the wrong way like i was saying that to say that they finish first in the western conference despite their mid stats meaning they just find ways to win they are so good that no matter what happens no matter what kind of game

they're playing versus their opponent they always pull it out in the end they always find a way to score one more they're pretty good at everything they're really good really they're mid at everything yeah in some way that leads to victories and winning the west yeah and vegas i think takes care of business versus winnipeg they look so beat up and the core for you guys that's kind of my question that this series is like is this it do we see the big the big ehlers shifley i think ehlers they gotta figure out ehlers they don't want to play ehlers the coach doesn't like ehlers so if you're keeping the coach it starts with dubois well yeah i think that like dubois is a canadian as soon as this right he's alone he's uh he's a rental i'd also put him like secondary

amongst the core i'm talking about the big names i'm talking about morrissey and shifley and connor and wheeler i think you retool you retool uh but i think shy flea is the tradable asset blake wheeler we already know isn't or wasn't last season they tried to trade him they couldn't he's got another year i think after this this is his contrast kind of untradeable yeah i mean perfetti if he comes back they have a good team brad lambert yeah but how do you augment it and make it better that's my question so you you sort of squeaked in this year how do you and we're talking about the Jets as though they're dead they could come back and win the series they could I mean there's also there's a few goalies in this league you can have this conversation with but there were conversations

of are the Rangers optimizing Henrik Lundqvist I think they did they have some long runs right um are the Habs wasting the prime of Carey Price yeah got a run to the final out of it How long is Conor Hellebuck going to play like this? Like, I don't think the Jets can ever go full rebuild with a goalie like that. No, they can't. Unless you commit to trading him. And I just don't see that happening. So it's got to be a retool.

Bottom calls out of the whole city. Don't you dare. You're never going to be bad enough to truly rebuild with Conor Hellebuck as your goalie. The most interesting thing, I think, out of, hey, maybe you should trade Conor Hellebuck. He is the UFA after next year. oh i didn't say maybe you should 6.1 on the cap for next season and then a ufa so that's why so you your decision this year is do we do do we do that for one more year or do we pull the shoot now so if they decide to pull the shoot now there's a lot of interesting assets because at the end

of next year like i said the 2024 season um you have one year left of shifley you got one year left of blake wheeler you got one year left of connor hellebuck and and again you have to bake dubois into all trade discussions he's gone he's gone he could play all next year for the jets he's gone he's a hab yeah he should just wear a habs jersey during the games just be one future on his helmet yeah why not yeah why not you know what maybe the way to sort of retool is to to to get the habs to give up something fun and young for pierre luke dubois because it's going to be a big package that gets him over there what for like he should just change his nameplate to not tampering it's so ridiculous because he's an rsa i know like dude he's not supposed to have this

kind of you know you don't have the rights it's also awkward when is he cared doesn't his dad work for the jets organization too it's sort of awkward right like he's just i think he's in their minor league system i think he was yeah i'm not sure if he still is but it's awkward if he is that's awkward man you're just pushing your way out your dad also works for the same org like that's brutal wasn't that lowry lowry was being coached by his dad oh maybe last year i don't know wasn't he i don't know i don't know um i feel like more would have been made of that no you i don't remember um so google but that's a lot of work no uh the morning is starting to hit it is starting to jesse you have news yeah um they made a decision on camel car one game that's my

bet oh i feel like i presented some fantastic arguments for both two games and none which is why i think they landed on one one thing that might be fun is me just playing the video and finding let's do it are we allowed to show the footage probably not no no hear the audio my favorite sound yeah here we go monday night in seattle avalanche defenseman cal mccarr was penalized for interference against cracking forward jared mccann which caused an injury as the video shows mccann takes a pass from a teammate that springs him on a shorthanded offensive chance with mccarr pursuing from behind mccann takes a shot which is saved by the goaltender and ricochets up and out of play after the shot mccarr lightly pushes mccann with his

right arm as he skates over the goal line the players disengage and skate into the corner Now, significantly after McCann had released the shot, McCarr delivers a shoulder check on McCann that puts him into the boards, causing him to fall to the ice and causing an injury. Oh, and his head hits the glass. It is important to note that McCann is in no way eligible to be checked on this play. No. McCarr finishes this hit well outside the allowable window for finishing a check.

In addition, it is clear that McCarr knows McCann is not in possession of the puck when he decides to deliver this hit. Yep. While we have heard McCarr's assertion that he assumed that the puck would bounce into the corner and the play would continue, the onus is on McCarr to ensure this occurs before initiating contact. Yeah. The result of this play is a body check to a vulnerable player who is not eligible to

be hit that causes an injury. To summarize, this is interference. No head contact, though. McCann suffered an injury on the play. Injury. McCarr has been neither fined nor suspended previously in his 238-game NHL career. The Department of Player Safety has suspended Kale McCarr for one playoff game. I knew it.

One playoff game. Yeah. That makes no sense. What's even worse? He got a Kale McCarr discount. Yeah, he did. 100%. I think if we establish.

If he's a Leaf, it's two games. Yep. No, it's 15. If we establish that the bunting hit is worse, the ceiling is two games. so he gets half of that what makes it worse i think and they didn't they factored it in they factored it in but they didn't factor it in enough the puck was over the glass play had been stopped not only is he not eligible to be hit no one is eligible to be doing anything so there's uh and his his excuse like oh i thought the puck was gonna come back in the corner the

puck hit the netting the the guy uh there was a guy i follow on twitter tyler horsefall and he's like mccarr admitted he didn't know where the puck was and he laid the hit anyway that's actually that's not the argument you think it is kale that's actually quite bad that's bad um yeah i wouldn't say that in court um but he did i don't think it would make you look good uh to a jury of your peers but that's not who it's up to it's up to the department of player safety i tell you what that's the majority of players in the nhl it's two games yep he got a caramel car discount yeah it's again it's not the worst thing i've ever seen it's pretty bad i mean he'll be back for an elimination game no matter what he'll have an opportunity potentially to finish off the kraken

that's not going to go over well so i got i got some questions for uh for the next few days okay uh hurricanes and islanders carolina leads this series three to one is this the end islanders are a hard out so is this the end guys i'm asking you just give me your opinion are they out or are the islanders out after this next game i think it goes six jesse and i think they're done uh boston and florida florida and boston do not play until wednesday okay um are the florida panthers still in the playoffs when we do this show again on friday i just have a hard time seeing it it's game five they're heading into and that's in boston yep yeah i think you might be dead the oilers had a huge comeback the other

day and it featured former leaf jack campbell uh stewart skinner was pulled after the first period allowing three goals um from velarde arvidson and anze kopitar uh he saved too he huge saves they win in overtime five to four so what zach hyman oh yeah from zach hyman yes yeah he had the winning goal sorry and he also played 25 minutes which is just bananas that's par for the course um so the question going into today uh jesse and steve was do you go back to Stuart Skinner, or do you now play the hot hand of Jack Campbell? We have an answer, but Jesse and Steve, I want to know. You're the head coach of the Oilers

right now. You're Jay Woodcroft with his Jay Woodcroft stance. Do it, Steve. You go back to Stuart Skinner. Do the Woodcroft stance. Pop that ass. Yeah. There it is. I think you go back. I think you go back to Stuart Skinner. Jesse. No, I think you ride Jack Campbell. And the choice has been made.

It is Stuart Skinner. They are going to go with that. I thought he looked really good in the time he was in that. Oh, Jack? Yeah. Oh, yeah, he did. He did. So, and it was, you know, I think there was a lot of,

a lot of Oilers heart in that comeback, right? Like it's, that was, and that second period for them was huge. But I think more importantly is they stuck in it in the third, right? They didn't let the Matt Roy goal, which was the go-ahead goal, get them down. The Edmonton Oilers are far and away the best out-of-town team to watch in the nhl they're the best team to watch if you don't have a dog in the fight like i mean you're watching it if you're an oilers fan you're watching it if you're a kings fan but if you have

the choice of all the games on the schedule and you're an out of town fan you gotta watch edmonton you have to no game is over check in their favor or against checky oh sorry go ahead uh mcdavid got his first five on five points uh in that game uh what the dino line has been shutting him absolutely down at five on five that's how good that's the power of phil dino yeah it's it's dino trevor moore and arvidsson who's been out there just wrecking the show with david fucking more you know what an out-of-body experience it was seeing will ferrell with face paint going ballistic because of something trevor moore did cool right so yeah uh not to not to go full derrick lalon but derrick lawn and not to go full on but um they were running the 131

formation to shut down the mcdavid line and when things opened up that's when when things opened up was when uh they put dry saddle back with mcdavid it was too much to stop So I wonder if, you know, you just ride it and you just say, hey, we'll overpower them with this one line. Make it too hard for because the Kopitar line started to fail when McDavid was out there in the last game. But the no line still kept up their pressure. But it's a little too much when McDavid is just with Dreisaitl. Yeah, but a little unstoppable. They've never not put up points together.

They always do. And if you put them together, they'll get points. It's the rest of the lineup that becomes a problem. uh i feel like it's maybe less of a factor than it was in years previous but if we're talking a full 60 minutes i don't know if that's the best option the oilers have yeah if you're losing absolutely go to it if if it's tied no that seems to be the best uh course of action for j roadcroft is hey when i need to break it out i break it out and i know it's going to do damage and it's an it's a hit breaking case of emergency glass thing that he has going on and it's worked wonders but

I don't know. I got a lot of faith in LA with the way Corpus Allis is playing and the way they can get timely goaltending. This series, it's going to be tight right down to the wire. I told you. Thinnest margin. Here we are, tight after four games. This might be the Western Conference final. Oh!

You know what? The most underrated series in the playoffs, mini Dallas. Let me ask you about that. Who goes up next game? Tight, tight series. We're going to talk about Marcus felino two non-penalties getting called i don't know how that i think that minnesota i almost called them north stars i don't know i i gotta go to bed the second i get home minnesota wild

have probably been the better team easily um so but the thing about being the better argument is that your goaltending counts towards your team yes people love to say oh the goaltender did this the goaltender is a part of the roster players so like jake ottinger stole a game for the dallas stars and that's okay because he is a part of the roster i missed this who started for minnesota was it philip gustafson yeah mark audrey hasn't seen the ice since ah so you can abandon your regular season plan in the playoffs yeah yeah interesting i um game five is in dallas yeah i think dallas takes game five but ultimately it goes seven you don't have enough fingers to count the amount of breakaways that the minnesota wild had during that game and dallas still found a way

to win because of their goaltender and timely power plays that probably shouldn't have been power plays and who knows if they sneak out a couple more of those you can't have more than jay godinger has he's a famous millionaire athlete six six and gorgeous i know when i interviewed him in uh vegas sorry henderson as he walked in the room i was just like get lost his teeth are nice uh in the in the minnesota dallas game it's crazy a lot of hair per square inch i think minnesota is outplaying dallas let's just this is that alone uh 11 takeaways to two in the last game, and Dallas still won. Checking in with the NHL points leaders.

Mitch Marner is at the top with 10 points at four games. Dreisaitl, second, with nine points in four games. And Rupe Hintz, eight points in four. Now, assists, Marner leads the league with eight. Pionk with seven. Adam Fox with six. In goals, Rantanen, Dreisaitl, Kreider. all tied for number one with five total,

which is pretty spectacular for all of them. There are, I believe, in terms of total points, there are one, two, three, four Leafs in the top ten in points. Those three top goal scorers, none of them play for a team that's currently winning their series. Ooh. Tight, tight, tight, tight. Tight series, yeah.

Tight, tight, tight. Good point. The road teams, too. Unreal run for road teams the last, like, four days. dominating all of the play. And you know what, though? Isn't that how it started, too? Like, weren't Road Team 6-2 to kick off the playoffs?

Yeah, that first game. The Road Team has won every game except for Game 2 in Leafs-Lightning. Holy shit. 3-4. Road Team is undefeated in Dallas Rangers. Jersey Rangers. Dallas.

Dallas Rangers. Devils Rangers. Have you seen Into the Future? And there's your cup final, Jesse. Devils. That feels like a 1999 special there. That was a cup final. Dallas, New Jersey, for sure.

All right, and it's 0-0 in quadruple overtime. Medano comes back out, plays his 1,500th game. Kelly Buckberger up for the faceoff against Kelly Buckberger. Here's Patrick Elias. He led New Jersey this year. He had 43 points in 82 games. That's New Jersey in the late 90s, man. Jamie Langenbrunner going toe-to-toe with the clone of Jamie Langenbrunner.

He played for both teams He played pivotal roles on both teams By the way Didn't he pull a Hossa and he was with Dallas, New Jersey My brain's operating at 20% Let's not even guess Why don't we just wrap the show

Jesse you have something else you want to do Last thing is we got to correct A mistake that you made from last show Steven Dangle So I ended the show by asking you Your favorite Leaf who went to college in New England oh yeah you gave me a give me a wrong answer oh where's cornell i don't know cornell's not in

new england i forget where it is um the press conference channel was telling me that you got it wrong and i'm just trying to pull it up ithaca new york okay you know how americans can't do geography my canadian version of that is um i look at the very northeast of the states and it's just one of those i just call it one of those and i assume that's part of new england but i don't think it is so yeah the question was who's your favorite leaf who played college hockey in new england yeah wrong answer here are per hockey db here's the list of 2023 leafs who would qualify this is from monsoir booyah all right i love your french by the way that's the second show in a row you've had to speak french and i love it because it's awful it's horrendous it's so bad i i'm you

know what we should do a big call jesse says sentence in french what was the that's it the thing julian always makes me makes fun of me for is when we had our live event montreal i called the place like la cagey like yeah and julian julian has he he his french is like a dance oh my gosh it's so good it's like rain on the roof on the tin roof it's just it's just it just sprinkles upon you like when he says amazing like martin st louis and he says it martin st louis yeah yeah like the french way yeah yeah yeah because that's the way to say it yeah anyway you could you could bottle julian's french and sell it at sage you could put it in your diffuser coat the room what's that soap store that people always like to go to

like he's literally he's he's a lush soap bar when he's uh when he's it's just so it smells good he's a bath bomb one of the meanest pranks i saw in high school is someone went hey man here's some candy and they gave it to the guy and uh it was a bar of soap from lush and he had braces and so the soap no oh god hey can i can i tell you one quick story about lush one quick story and then jesse i'll let you i'm sorry all right somebody told me i had a girlfriend once like years and years and years ago who was like you should try bath bombs at lush so i i was like okay so i brought one home and i had a bath and i don't really like baths because they're boring and i'm like grown yeah and so i have this and i i'm sitting in the bath and i'm waiting for the bath

bomb to go off and and i'm just sitting there and i texted her and it was on like you know like the the quirky sort of thing i text her i'm like nothing happened and she's like what do you mean And I'm like, well, she's like, do you feel good? I'm like, yeah, I guess. But like, it's a bath bomb. Wasn't it supposed to like pop or something? Like I was expecting it to like blow up. I thought you were going to say you left the plastic on.

No, no, no, no. It was doing stuff. I thought it was going to be like, you know, you thought it was like an actual bomb. Oh, you're just an idiot. That's the moral of that story. Just an idiot. Sorry, Jesse, go ahead. No, I was going to say.

So the bit is Julie and I are on the show. you give us a list of french things to say i say it and then julian i love that can we fly him to toronto for friday to do that that's probably fun that's probably the good game that's a summer game we'll do it drop what you're doing get out all right so steve yes leafs 2023 who would qualify for your favorite leaf who played college hockey in new england joseph wall went to boston college Alex Kerfoot, Harvard University Nick Abergeese, Harvard University Zach Aston Reese, Northeastern

Sam Lafferty, Brown University Noel Achari, Providence College So that's why the question was asked Because there's so many to choose from And you ended up choosing Ben Scrivens Yeah, to be a dick Because he wasn't giving anyone what they needed last episode When they set him up for layups

Also, bonus shoutouts to these members these people who are a part of the team who are no longer alex steves new hampshire oh new hampshire junior monarchs i have a member of new hampshire junior marks jake muzzin played for the manchester monarchs ahl team kyle clifford played for the manchester monarchs ahl team dryden hunt played for the manchester monarchs echl and adam goddett who was traded for achari uh czar's line mate at northeastern is there something with man is there something with the manchester monarchs that like the leafs like guys from there like almost like the chicago steel their their their former echl team the redding royals had a like a near identical logo maybe that's it interesting so

steven to finally answer the question it took two episodes and lots of talking to get to the actual answer. Ben Scribbins. Shut up. Who is your favorite Leaf who played college hockey in New England? This morning, Alexander Kerfoot. Let's go! Oh!

OT winner, baby. Kerfeet! One in front of the other. On the way to a series win. Alright. Now explain Fishman. Oh! Yeah, the fish thing was unhinged sometimes you want to find a fish and teach it english and then you watch hockey

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