The Steve Dangle Podcast - Jimmy BC | March 18, 2021

Episode Date: March 19, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve's complicated history (00:00), who wore the crown? (06:00), the Leafs lose Jimmy Vesey on waivers & Galch to line 2 (14:00), what do the Leafs do at the trade deadline? (25:00), the Buffalo Sabres fire Ralph Krueger (48:00), Steve on Matt Murray & Robin Lehner (1:12:00), the wild 9-0 Rangers v Flyers game (1:18:00), Matthew Tkachuk being honest with the media (1:22:00), and the press conference: Rielly as a forward and tape jobs (1:31:00). Originally aired: March 18, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/40JwFP6QDjI Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors:​ https://ca.manscaped.com/​​ https://bluechew.com/​​ https://betmgm.com/​​ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Steve Dangle Podcast with your host, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! If you are watching, you've just seen the abuse that Steve hurls at me on a regular basis. The double deuces, middle fingers. Wow. Double middle fingers. Wow. Wow.

Hey, I just finished up doing some cameos, Steve. uh did you my first rounds i got six requests so thank you uh steve did get me on cameo so if you'd like a cameo for any reason at all actually had somebody reach out and ask for a history corner so i gave them their own private personalized history corner i love that stuff yeah so i'm on cameo tell my answer stories if you want to swipe up on that by the way um so much to go through steve do you want to talk about what you just told jesse and i before we really get into this show or is this something you're going to leave for later because i mean we could make it into a heck of a tease or it could be a heck of a story what would you like to do okay do you want

to wait till the story's more complete to tell it no uh we've we've gone too far okay all right tell us tell us what you just did because um because steve was under the influence and did something historical you might say okay yes so i was feeling a certain way broccoli emoji if you will and um i uh i remembered this the other day i was out getting a haircut and you know how you you know you you zone out and you just start thinking of random stuff and i just start laughing girl cutting my hair was like what what's so funny i'm like i just remembered the other night i broccoli emoji and i bought i bought a book on king edward the seventh and his many lovers and mistresses and the reason this subject interests me as we've mentioned before on the podcast there

was a rumor in my family that my great-grandfather is the bastard son of king edward vii right now i'm working on a family research project to either prove or disprove this among many other things so i i bought this audiobook what i had forgotten also is that i found the author i found their agent and i emailed them asking for permission to speak to the author because i have some questions to my shock and surprise this morning i got a response so now i'm just asking a bunch of questions and also discovering the ghosts of my family's past that's pretty incredible that could be a chapter in your next book yeah i i had uh the family history was i was pretty good i had a lot of it but there's there's a lot more that's a little more salacious than what you had that's

like a big deal man i mean i think that's so cool i believe the family rumor more than i used to i also i spoke to my grandpa's sister so i guess that'd be my great aunt for the first time in my life uh she lives in florida um and i don't know i never had the opportunity to speak to her she's 93 and sharp as a tack so i got to ask her all sorts of stuff it's this listen we all need our little hobbies and obsessions through all this crap this is mine this is mine i found it it was playing red dead over and over and over again and at some point i'm like you know what i can't make arthur do the thing that i want him to do didn't want to spoil the game for you there folks so why don't i try this why don't i try this and i'm having so much fun with it so much fun

oh adam we're we're contacting um like people for historical records oh it's exactly the sort of boring thing you would adore oh i would just die i would love it actually i'm working on something too but i'm not telling you guys what it is there it is wow thanks man i am working on something i'm really excited about and it probably comes probably will happen this summer but i'm pretty excited about it and i can't wait to reveal it to you because it's something i've been working on and thinking about for years so i'm very very excited in the meantime um i would just like to say that my mug arrived from sdpn.ca uh and my t-shirt and steve has got none of it by the way the t-shirt is embroidered so jesse was right this isn't just some iron-on crap this is like

the real thing i can wash this and it's gonna survive oh so it's like good yeah look at how well it fits my chest i'm so chesty in my dangled navy t-shirt adam swole corner that's Steve, I have your things sitting right behind me. What did he get, Jesse? What did I get? You got the whole package here. All right. Damn right.

You got your Letterman jacket. The jacket looks so good. You got your Dangle Navy tee. Nice. Your sweat pants are in here. Adam, what's the review on the sweat pants? You've worn them. The sweat pants are mint.

They're so comfortable. First off, if you've got a gigantic bum like me, they pop a little lift and they lift other areas too didn't know that was going to be possible but it was noticeable so uh i got a few weird dms from people it was really strange yeah oh oh okay when did tiktok make it okay for everyone to be a perv well i don't know like absolutely everybody that did it hey nice sweats freaking leave me alone i'm comfortable it's a pandemic god oh man i didn't stupidly i didn't order any adams history corner stuff which i should do so i'm gonna do that next that'll be my next order um for people that are wondering uh and jesse you

can correct me here but from what i understand the american listeners are getting theirs first and then it's coming to canada obviously covid their border restrictions are a little bit more difficult uh but everybody if you've ordered in the first week you should have got it by now i would think well yeah roughly yeah you'll get your email with your tracking number and all that so you can follow along your journey of your we're not amazon we can't get it to you the next minute but we're trying it takes a little bit does take some time it's tough okay so i would like to order here's your package what the amazon already knows what you want to order it's on the front page as you as you log on it's a little scary just jeff bezos with his glowing head like south park anyway

sorry adam so there has been uh very little leaf action uh as in none since the last show so guys my question is do we do where the who wears the crown uh yes because we have a sponsor so we need to fulfill our obligation to the sponsors you know it's like when they they force the season to come back in a bubble because of the sponsorship dollars you know so we are forcing the who wears the crown to come back in a leafless week because of the sponsorships well i'm i'm glad they did actually because we had sponsorship dollars on the line as well so the nhl coming back saved our butts in the fall too uh now let's you know what um okay so tell me who we're doing this for who is who's the sponsor today all right let me pull this up so today's

sponsor is uh at neo commander so neo commander says uh neo commander actually donated to war child uh in the usa which is awesome and they want to know uh i wanted to get the word out about war child which is a charity that helps get children and their families out of active combat zones they do a lot of great work and considering some of the recent events in the middle east they'll need all the help they can get so uh here's a little bio for you adam to uh for your liner here's my bio for adam my name is cole i'm from wisconsin and i unlike adam am going to school for bachelors in history oh i'm also a goalie and a massive nerd um collecting more figurines than steve i am also a huge music lover metal rock soul jazz blues hope

you guys have a great day sending love you can't just say things you can't take back cole what's up cole i'm i'm cole and i'm well-rounded what a jerk uh cole uh first off warchild thank you for for that if uh if anybody can donate please do um beyond that uh cole this one is for you pal so who wore the crown brought to you by the very well-rounded historical metalhead also likes jazz to Cole. Why not? Why not, you cheesehead? I said a football thing. Nice. I'm going to leave it there. I don't even need

to go any further. I'm actually shocked. I did a football. Who's proud? Guys, this week we're going to switch it up. We're going to switch it up because we haven't had any Leaf Hockey so the crown can go to anyone that you want it to.

Who deserves a crown this week in your eyes? i got it go for me the entire rangers coaching staff from last night um you're thrown into what is a super unideal situation i mean you want to coach in the nhl but not under these circumstances the new york rangers uh all their coaching staff was on covid protocol i believe it was their ahl coaching staff had to go behind the bench along with one of their assistant general managers if i'm not mistaken and they won nine nothing how do you not give them the crown for that sort of performance that's that's i almost said that's a hat pick

because it's muscle memory at this point but it is a hat pick it's everything it's ridiculous uh jesse do you want to go next or should i you go next i'm just looking for a name okay jesse is looking for somebody to come up with on this segment uh i think um my crown is going to go to Buffalo Sabres fans and we'll get into this a little bit later but if you still call yourself a fan of the Buffalo Sabres I understand that you probably could go to the game because actually you can go in I think there's 2,000 people well supposedly there's a game happening tonight but earlier it was not happening so we don't know we're not sure with the Sabres Bruins but um because there's some COVID issues but I would say to the Buffalo Sabres fans who still

call themselves fans crowned to you uh leaf fans know what losing's like losing badly's like thinking you're gonna win and losing badly's like and i feel for you this is a rough rough time to be a buffalo sabers fans we'll get into the ralph kruger news obviously a little bit later in the show there's lots of information lots of stuff to hit today but to the sabers fans who are still left one day this team will turn around i don't know when i don't know how but that's the way the world works and on that day i will be absolutely thrilled for you in the same way i was thrilled for edmonton fans the first time they made the playoffs with connor mcdavid uh the same way i was thrilled for being a leaf fan when they made the playoffs for the first time uh you know with

with uh matthews and marner and nylander and i think your time is coming it's probably a long way off but i if you could still call yourself a fan after that that's truly passionate and hardcore and also you've had to cheer for the bills for most of the last 20 years and oh my god until recently so we can figure this out the pagool has figured out the bills i'm sure they can figure out the sabers jesse next one i'm gonna set a record here for the amount of crowns given out i'm gonna give out simultaneously 718 crowns they all go to alexander ovechkin for every goal he's scored in his career sixth all-time passing phil esposito congrats ovi i hope you stick around long enough to break wayne gretzky's record there you go and i need to i really pray that it doesn't

come down to a situation where he's like 30 goals short and the two lockouts he had to live through don't or the two and a half really don't cause him to miss out on that all-time record alternately Mike Babcock could be his coach, and then it's never going to happen. And then he's benched tomorrow. He'll get within two goals of it, and he's like, well, just play defense. Yeah, 891 sounds good. Sounds good. I mean, it's still a lot.

I don't know what you're complaining about. No, it's a gift. So that's Bronson. to your point about like i hope he's not like 30 goals short because the lockout i hope he either beats it or misses it by a lot yeah that makes sense yeah no that's exactly how i feel about this because i don't want to be emotional for the rest of my life about missing out on ovi not beating uh gretzky's record 100 out of what you got so let's wrap it up i couldn't remember what was next oh no commander neo neo's commander uh his name again cole cole hey cole

thanks so much for your donation to the right cause it's an incredible cause uh good luck at history school um and uh that's what they call it right history school sure and uh you know why not why not why not wear cheese football exactly thank you so steve it's jesse we've had a lot of time to think and to sit and if that is if there's anything worse for leaf fans i don't know what it is because sitting and thinking is not good for toronto maple leaf fans you start to get crazy cabin fever if there's no game to focus on we focus on each other and we realize i don't know if we really like each other all that much it's just a lot of sniping in leafs nation right now on twitter and i i do want to say this everybody's got their leafs trade pick we're going to go

through some of them but first we need to start with jimmy vc who the leafs lost on waivers this week steve um you have a video called be nice to jimmy what are canucks fans getting and what happened in toronto that just didn't work with jimmy vc uh i think he started on the wrong foot jimmy vc is a complicated name in this fan base um and honestly i think you can trace it back to one tweet and it's from darren dreger and i want to say it's from like 2016 um and it's basically like if the Leafs can get Jimmy Vesey back when there was the Jimmy Vesey sweepstakes because he was drafted by the Preds didn't want to go there ended up going to the Rangers but during the sweepstakes it was basically well you know if the Leafs can get Jimmy Vesey then

does that make William Nylander expendable and it's a tweet that absolutely aged like milk um not not very good at all and so there's a little bit of meh towards him and not enough people appreciating the irony of him starting on Nylander's line to start the season we should have been giggling at that a lot more that is actually true and not being able to keep up with him you know well that's the problem there Jesse there was a line at the beginning of the season Tavares and Nylander that I oh well sorry Tavares Nylander and Vesey that I I thought made sense I thought made sense you got Tavares who's a finisher Willie who can finish but he's more of a passer.

And Swedish. Super Swedish. You see, because... He's not a Swede, he's Swedish. Because he's not white. He's just a little bit sweet. That's right. Anyway, look at us, three dads.

I enjoyed that. I don't care if anybody else did it. That was good. That was for us. Okay, sorry. To cut off my own Jimmy Vesey thoughts, I know I'm a dad because... Adam goes, you know what?

Earlier in the show, he goes, you know what? And it took everything in my body to not go, no, I never met him. Oh, no. That's my dad's favorite go-to dad joke. Oh, man. That's where we're at? You know what?

No, I never met him. And then he would go out and look at the line. Yeah. So anyway, Jimmy Vesey didn't work out on the Tavares and Nylander line. And he slowly found his way down the lineup. lineup and then he was on the fourth line and by the time he was on the fourth line fans were like sick of him which didn't make any sense to me because that was the perfect spot for him

and for nine hundred thousand dollars uh for a guy who had like nine goals on the sabers last year i'm not quite sure what people expected and i didn't understand the hate because he wasn't bad even necessarily it's just he was just sort of wearing a jersey on a lot of nights but he found some chemistry with jason spetz on the fourth line uh he was playing a little bit of power play two uh fifth leading forward in terms of average ice time on the penalty kill which means he was a regular penalty killer he was a fine player and for the amount of money the canucks are gonna have to pay him which is like 400 g's uh for what he can bring to a team that is not ready to surrender their spot in the playoffs i think it's good um so it's the least

loss the Canucks gain um be nice to Jimmy it's uh I'm surprised we haven't seen more waiver sniping within the Canadian division um it just makes too much sense for the Canucks um also uh it's the beginning of the Alexander Galchenyuk uh era in Toronto and sorry it's the era uh so what do you think gauch has left we're about to find out we're about to get a definitive answer on alex galchenyuk there will be no hemin and han we won't be like well you know let's see no this is a guy who is an offensive player getting an opportunity to play with john tavaris and william nylander and if he can't succeed in that role adios amigo um it doesn't mean he has to stick in that role he just needs to be good right so if he ends up on the third

line or the fourth line or something something like that uh even for his price that's fine that's fine he's making like a hair more than jimmy vc it's negligible really um i'm excited to see if he becomes part of the power play um and i'm just excited to see if he's more than just an offensive player because this is the problem right like seeing him in the top six i don't think that's a thing that should be permanent we're looking at all these names the leafs could bring on board and uh jonah siegel did his top five and james myrtle did his top five and i was looking all those names like and all the guys who were scorers first i just wasn't interested in um weird right yeah i know weird to be not interested in that like jonah siegel's top guy was alex i

follow on the la kings and he was talking about the penalty kill i'm like oh tell me more about the penalty kill there jones like that that's where i'm at with this team right now like i'm like oh alex i follow on the penalty kill get out of here philip forsberg not interested you know it's it's weird where i'm at um so i'd rather see a guy like galch who i'm apparently the only person who calls him that it's either chucky or galley i like galch yeah galch isn't a nickname that i've surprisingly heard a lot it's not a nickname it's a one-third of his name and that's that's what i say um no i i i could see him being further down the lineup that's where i'd rather he be but right now um i think it makes perfect sense it was good to see him put up it was eight points in six games

with the marlies the marlies who by the way played like 14 games unnoticed and that's just been going on in the world starting goalie no one recognizes yeah just guys playing hockey yeah but yeah it was good to see him put up some points which is cool but two goals six assists it's not it's not crazy but it's promising it's there yeah it's a thing off it's good too yeah like it's just six six teams before this tried this you know like in the last like four seasons yeah but he hasn't played with my team yeah all right it's arizona did it pittsburgh did it minnesota ottawa carolina toronto like they all they all just like oh geltz you know former 30 goal scorer maybe we'll be the guys to get it back and now toronto gets the same thing and then if it doesn't work out here is

another team going to be like well you know let's give geltz another shot he did it once it's that arrested development meme you all you know it was a failure for everyone else it didn't work for them but it could work for us right and right yes so i i don't know why like my expectations are this doesn't work like i'm hoping as a leafs fan obviously that that he blows everybody out of the water and scores 30 goals again one day for the leafs but my expectation is that hey history has taught us six different times that this is gonna fail so i expect this to fail i even if he ends up as like the 13th guy yeah for the playoffs i man he'd have to be some kind of bad you know what i mean he'd have to be so so bad for me to look at this as a bad decision but you know it

is giving me pause and it's an underrated aspect because people are talking about galchenyuk like he was claimed off waivers uh no guys uh the Leafs gave up two players for this guy David Worsowski who you forgot was in the organization who they got in the Kapanen deal but also Igor Korshkov who I haven't read this yet but the Leafs have a bunch of players coming from Europe or they're expected to be back from Europe once their season ends because their season began relatively when it usually does in September now these guys their season is going to be done long before the regular season is done here which is unusual so the leafs are getting guys back like simian duragachintsev uh philip hollander uh i can't remember who else ah dennis malgan i think

korshkov could play games for the carolina hurricanes in the playoffs and i'm just imagining him you know it's the third round we did it no finally here not them again he's a goal a game player in the nhl one game one goal in a terrible loss to the buffalo sabers photographic memory um so i mean i mean korshkov's not nothing so i'm really hoping galchenyuk succeeds um and i feel like the leafs would not give up korshkov if they thought galchenyuk would be nothing it's just concerning that they had to give up anything to get they didn't a guy who yeah a guy who i don't know why they're 13th guy it was contract spots i think yeah there must be a reason there must be a reason yeah i think it was the what adam said the contract spots because

they got under what is it the 52 55 or whatever it was 50 50 yeah yeah they had to they i think they're at 48 now or something and i think that gave them at least a little bit of maneuverability going for the you know the trade deadline and that sort of thing because those uh contract spots weirdly not like their availability ones like the you know it's it's almost like having a having more cap space and having more cap sorry uh contract spots is a valuable commodity these days nobody wants to take on more contracts it's crazy or something to do with the taxi squad which is something i still don't have my mind wrapped around like i don't think at least pr will send some tweet with like seven guys in it and i'm like okay i just i don't know what any of this

means but okay and i don't i don't get the point but here we are um now i want to read you a quote and then i want to ask you a question actually let me ask the question first we talked on monday about one thing that should be the priority for the toronto maple leafs going into the trade deadline that one thing is what i said goaltending jonas siegel tweeted this out at 208 p.m so after the show started today oh i'm not really where i want to be obviously i think i'm working towards just getting to as good as possible i think everyone goes through a season where we all have something going on it's just a matter of how well you can manage it and play through it who said it oh boy that could have been either goalie that's the problem but i'm

gonna say freddie frederick anderson that's concerning he's so he's playing through something yes what it is i guess all we can do is guess um that much is obvious and like listen i know i was kicking him out the door basically for a decent little chunk of last show but what i also said towards the end was you know who i would like the leafs to acquire old frederick anderson old frederick anderson was healthy you know what i mean and he doesn't control that right like i mean your body does what it does you know who wants to wake up in the morning and be sore who wants to be hindered in any way shape or form you know this guy wants to be the best he can be uh and win but management kyle dubas has to make a decision because if he's not good to go if he's not really

close to 100 if he's not stopping enough pucks for you to win a championship you have to make a decision there and you got to acquire somebody and yeah uncomfortable man it's uncomfortable you look at luke fox you look at james myrtle you look at jonah siegel and everybody else that's done a top five top seven top whatever list not one of them lists it's a goalie and you know under the old leafs regime that would have been concerning because um we basically knew who they were going to require probably three months beforehand uh with the exception of the jonathan bernier trade there was one reporter that had a direct line to the to the office and everybody knew who that was and when that person spoke you knew it came directly from lee's friend office

that has changed they now go out and trade for guys that you're like i didn't see that coming uh the jake muzzin and jack campbell trades are two of them where you're like didn't know i mean okay yeah sounds great that's awesome um but uh i haven't seen one goalie and i haven't seen one goalie name linked to the leafs which makes me wonder it's a couple of things number one either they're working on one and they're keeping it extremely quiet or number two there isn't one to be had in which case you have to work on team defense and that takes away from your ability to go out and acquire another top six winger that you need so the leafs the over the the past six games were not playing nearly as well as they were and that'll make you look at

goaltending that'll make you look at it but uh the great thing about the Leafs goalies all three of them that they use this season is they really didn't have to be great because the team in front of them was so tight tight tight tight um not a ton of you know maybe one big save a game was required uh very few two-on-ones and at some point the dam just broke and I don't know if it was fatigue or what but all of a sudden there was a ton more odd man rushes and all the eyes were on freddie and all the pucks were behind him and it wasn't a good trend at all but i i like what you were saying about how the organization is so tight-lipped now i think we got it all wrong and i tweeted about it um we keep looking at buffalo we keep looking at uh nashville

uh i think we're wrong uh dubas has very seldomly made a trade that we were like yeah i saw that coming for sure and since june 2019 he has made i think it was six trades with four pieces involved or more and a bunch of them we didn't see coming cody cc and nikita zaitsev who the hell saw that coming no cadre to the avalanche nobody i did not see that coming uh jack campbell like you mentioned jake muzzin like you mentioned uh he likes himself a big move and he likes to be stealth about it so i think if we're all thinking of the same two teams we're wrong and it's going to be somebody else interesting interesting now with the flyers potentially falling out of the race they're not out of it yet but with their performance last night that could be one team

out on matias at home however that still leaves a couple of teams that you don't want to get matias at home namely the bruins and the jets the jets all of a sudden then the leafs are now like look at each other like what never had a red not never had any sort of rivalry before but now it's like okay this could boil over this could be a problem because they're both in that division and the jets had the Leafs number Connor Hellebuck specifically um so I'm wondering of the three teams mentioned who do you think is most likely to swing for the fences and get a Matias Ekholm so you said you said Boston Winnipeg Toronto yeah oh boy i think it's going to be boston i hate it very much i hate it i hate it very very much but

um there's a little bit of elmer fudd to them right now be very very quiet and the whole time they're carrying a gun like i don't know how that team is so good um just with uh all their losses in the offseason and like who was their big addition Craig Smith something like that yeah but like they've clearly drafted well they have the goalie Darth Vader who goes in net

and then he makes that giant save I saw God who tweeted it someone on hockey Twitter maybe it was platinum seat ghost he goes is there a goalie tree somewhere and it's a huge criticism of the Leafs organization like other teams are just able to draft these guys who are able to come in and give them big

games and big saves and this organization has not done a good job no it's not done a good job at all uh with all that but uh boston to me at it makes a lot of sense for them to go for it in the same way that the leafs do um it makes sense for the leafs to go for it because i mean look at some of the guys that they signed yeah i mean you don't sign joe thornton for one year unless you're planning on having him win the cup um but with boston like every year we say this but how many more years of elite patrice bergeron do we have left how many years of elite brad marshand do we have left he's our age bergeron by the way who's 35 wow like so and he's not even peak bergeron anymore he's

extremely good but he's not even the best he's been yeah he's a little past yeah and like they made it to the stanley cup final with chara as like a 39 or 40 year old um but i oh boy they really i think they got to go for it david crachy underrated name in there too another guy who's kind of getting up there so i i could see them getting matthias echo interesting wow okay now let me help me understand this so um we've heard granlin felino palmieri a lot of people are a little bit low on felino which i am too i don't understand the link there but i also don't trust the people that keep saying mike felino um necessarily mike mike played for the leaves nick felino um god why do i do that uh yeah nick felino i think probably a little past his prime

in columbus maybe he wants out who knows uh great leader but not exactly the guy that i would see them fitting obviously grandlin seems to be the one that they want and palmieri is an interesting one but you'd think with anders lee out for the year lou lamorello is going to do everything he can to grab kyle palmieri oh my god brutal for the islanders a brutal absolutely brutal you don't like to see that you don't want that right but what i would say that i don't understand is this obsession all of a sudden with ricard raquel and what i don't understand about it is ricard raquel is scoring at half the rate he was scoring at when people said, hey, Ricard Raquel's pretty good.

When was the last time you saw Ricard Raquel play? This is the thing, man. That thing about even on bad teams, someone has to score. Look at the Sabres. No, they don't. No, they don't. And the Ducks are similar trajectory. And, you know, Ryan Getzlaff's not very good anymore.

And they had an MVP in Corey Perry, and he's no longer there and also old. He's still, Ricard Raquel is a very good player. And even with the drop-off in production, he's super affordable. He makes under $4 million. I would love for him to be a Leaf, but I'm not sure how that makes sense. Troy Terry is extremely interesting to me. young guy recent world junior captain for the american team and elliot freeman just sort of casually dropping i think it was on hockey night in canada oh yeah troy terry's available

why why is he available i guess he wants out or i don't know it's weird to me that for a team that's not very good um he would be available i'd i'd take a nice long look at him though Can I give you what Friedman said on the price for Raquel? Yes. So this is quoted from the 31 Thoughts podcast. He said, I've also heard that with the price of Raquel, I'm not so sure Toronto is going to be in on that. I could be wrong, but I've heard the price on Raquel is going to be,

and then dot, dot, dot. Maybe Anaheim thinks Toronto doesn't have what it wants. I go back to Grandlin and maybe anyone else I haven't thought about there. so apparently anaheim is asking for a lot for raquel and toronto might not have it and what we also have is a interesting tidbit from 31 thoughts about matthias eckholm and what the preds want for him the month they want the muzzin deal so all right everybody let's take a look at the jake muzzin deal it was a first round pick two prospects two prospects and a first round pick is what the quote from the 31 thoughts podcast says there you go but like prospects what is a

prospect right so it was a first round pick that's complicated by this season because like you know what there is there's always months and months of lead up for who is going to be the first overall pick and we're all very excited about it have either of you heard a name no i haven't there's like no hype for this draft no uh i have no idea who's going anywhere i hope you have a really good video scouting staff because i don't know what else you're gonna do um so your first round pick this year your your values diminished what did the leafs give up for echo well there was carl grunstrom who was a former second round muslims doing yeah what do they give up for muslim oh sorry what did they give up for muslim my bad it's carl grunstrom who was the second round pick who

was doing well in the ahl and it was sean dersey who was a recent second round pick who was a little older because they picked him as an overager i think his recent second round pick and he was doing well in junior so okay who's the equivalent of that right now for the leafs robin's robertson's a recent second rounder well no you're not gonna he's your best prospect you're not gonna freaking give up on him second rounder doesn't necessarily mean second rounder so you're looking at a forward like probably Ronny Hirvonen maybe, who was recently

picked in the second round out of Finland. You're looking at a defenseman potentially like Mikko Kokkonen, who's just on the Finnish World Junior Team. I would be asking for SDA. SDA, yeah. I mean, I project

him as an NHL player, though. I don't think people are, and remember, he's tiny and a lot of teams do not like that. The Leafs will take a chance on a guy like that there's a lot of teams that will not yeah sd you're not far off jesse and also there's less assembly required he's already played professional hockey against men this season um but topi niyamala is a fascinating name in all this because he just won defenseman of the tournament at the world juniors with team finland and i think he was picked after kokanen um so you're looking at that would you do that plus a first round pick

Plus a first rounder. Two of those guys out of the guys you've named and then plus a first rounder. Hopefully, but they were speculating that teams are asking for next year's because of what you just outlined about the draft this year. People value next year's first round picks more than this year's. So you'd have to give up a 2022 first round pick. But what I would say to that. So I think first and second round picks, their value is diminished. I think it should raise the value of fourths, fifths, sixths, sevenths.

What you want is just more darts for the board, right? There's still the same amount of good hockey players. It's just you haven't been able to scout them as well. So your first round or your second round, you might not be willing to move the sun and the moon for those, but I want as many darts to throw at the board as I can get. There's something there. the price for Ekholm I don't think would be astronomical

but like we've already mentioned before you got to take the expansion draft into account and then you're looking at losing someone like you know one of your top four defensemen pre-existing Riley, Muzzin, Hall Brody

the Leafs have some decisions to make. Forwards is the easiest one and rentals I think would be the easiest one. You would want to rental in a year where you could potentially lose someone to Seattle Well, we'll see what happens. It'll be very, very interesting. Ricard Raquel is a head scratcher for me.

I just don't understand the value going back. I get the player. He's good, but I don't understand the absolutely obnoxious trade proposals that people are putting together. This guy is not a 30-goal scorer anymore. He's tied to the Leafs forever, though, because that was the Tyler Biggs trade. That's how the Ducks got him, right? So, you know, oh, they're going to get him back.

No, they're not. No, they're not. They should have to give us John Gibson, too. that's you know yeah man boy i keep thinking about alex i follow he makes more and more sense what about matt it's nido right niero i like that idea yeah i was like okay all right i see where you're going with that you know you can do more than one who else would you get what carlson i'd like to see like an i'm not just there for the rebuild you know what i mean oh jesus adam i i would like to see them man if they go out and they get two forwards remember what we looked at with

the lightning last year we went oh that's too much i want too much so that's what i want are you talking like a leblanc or i'm talking whatever i'm like from the same team or are you talking like oh it doesn't matter that doesn't matter it can be from the same team it can be from different teams i just want the best candidates um we know they got to be fast and we know they got to be defensively responsible yeah and it would help if they could score a little but we're talking like 45 ish point pace guys at the end of the day the goal scoring still has to come from the guys who are paid to do it right matthews marner neilander tavars it's got to come from them but you got to do what should be the easiest job in the world which is play on the left wing of either of those

two lines it pushes Simmons down it pushes Thornton down it pushes Hyman down and I think that's really important you know now that I've had some time to reflect over how good they looked and then how bad they looked Hyman on the third line makes this team such a problem and it allows their top six whoever's in it to do their thing while the third line runs amok doesn't matter if they score, but they usually get sustained zone time, and we know the Leafs are going to consistently have one of the better fourth lines in the league. If Gaiman

on the third line... If it doesn't work out on the second line, who's the ideal player in that slot? Brantley. Well, is it the guy we're acquiring? I think so. I think so. I think if they'd had their way, if they'd been able to keep one of

Janssen or Kapanen, we're not in that position. And I think the guy they would have wanted to have there is Janssen. Um, but if, you know, because Dubas actually referenced this in his press conference yesterday, you know, they had to move those two guys for cap reasons. So at that point, you know, you, you go, okay, well, we know we probably will have to fill that gap unless someone steps in. I thought Wayne Simmons was pretty good in that role while he had it. But the question is after missing six weeks, where's he going to be at? Right. And how long does it take him to get back

to that level? I know I hate calling Wayne Simmons old. We're the same age, but you know, it does take your body's a little bit older and wayne's seen some miles so it would be it would have been great to just have him solidified in that spot so they don't have to think about it but i think steve's right and that's this is my my my issue with ricard raquel as a as a and i hate to bring it back up again but this is a guy that when he was playing with elite players scored at a pretty good pace but as soon as the elite play players went away he stopped which tells me he's not as much of a play driver as they maybe need in that role and i think is zach hyman i think is um not that he's going to score 30 goals but in what they need on the third line level i

think zach hyman's going to push you a lot further ahead than ricard raquel i'd like to see um i'd really like to see them go and get palmieri i think he would be awesome uh and and that would just stick and lose craw just a little bit imagine like they go out and they get i follow and palmieri oh oh my god just the two most italian names in the world and just oh oh that'd be so good god that'd be so good i feel like the answer we we keep saying goalies goalies goalies everyone in this fan base would like another defenseman of course but i think what it ends up being is probably two forwards and if we're really good and eat our vegetables and drink our milk maybe someone who can be like a like a seventh eighth defenseman um some people i think

it was the maple leaf hot stove i think they suggested what about nicholas shalmerson who i have been pumping that for years they said low cost low buy right shot d why not maybe you get him and you get at home what the hell get crazy he's a lefty but he plays on the right that's right tj brody special exactly i'm gonna throw out three names who might be some out of nowhere wear guys that wind up on the Leafs. All right, ready. Out of my speculation. Darren Helm, Luke Glendening, and

Bobby Ryan. One of those three might end up on the Leafs because they're UFAs at the end of the season, and they're on Detroit, and Eisenman might do some work with Kyle Dubas, and they might end up on the Toronto Maple Leafs. I am just speculating. I'm not. One of those guys.

I hope not. No. Bobby Ryan did show up on, I think, Myrtle's list. He could still play yeah that was the name that made me go no actually like he no he can definitely play and i think he'd be good but for me you better be so so freaking good if you're not on the penalty kill the penalty kills an issue penalty kills an issue with this team and i want you to be on it and i want you to be good i want you to be a difference maker bobby ryan comes to the leafs he's gonna score 100 he's gonna score at a higher rate than he is in detroit that's for sure

I need you to shut it down I need you to shut it down Stanley Cup Final, you're not going to win 8-7, you're not you're not, maybe one game but most of the time, you're just not I want I'm, it's

I hate how damaged I've been from the past four years against the Bruins and the Blue Jackets and then watching what Tampa did last year but you need the middle six sort of guys the guys who can score but they'd rather drive you nuts and kill penalties that's who i want tyler johnson when he was tyler johnson yes yeah that that number is uh that number is a big old

problem unless you're philip frigging forsberg yeah right taylor freaking hall those are probably the only two names that i've seen out there where i'm like okay you don't have to kill penalties you just need to score gorgeous thank you um other than that no you got to be able to contribute there right okay well we'll see what they do uh it took guys 12 straight wins sorry 12 straight losses the opposite for the buffalo sabers to finally pull the trigger with ralph kruger you get the sense 12 losses in a row you get the sense that they really didn't want to make this change until the end of the season because now they got to pay someone else and i honestly think that's what it comes down to um it's interesting you'll see members of the media who will say everybody

loves ralph kruger i think eric angles even tweeted jeff petrie said he was one of the best coaches he ever had the one thing that i would say is that ralph kruger never got results and you could say the two teams he's coached the oilers and the sabers are remarkably bad and they were remarkably flawed teams and and i think i would i would i would give you that however you got to be able to do something with nothing if you're into that job if you're taking the Edmonton job at that point you know the 2012 Oilers or wherever it was right after Dallas Eakins or you're taking the Sabres job currently you have to be able to show some sort of growth when Mike Babcock for all of his faults when he took over the Toronto Maple Leafs

you saw the difference you saw the difference instantly from the first game and they finished last place but it was a strong last place it was remarkably not depressing to watch it was like a historically ever yeah 69 points for a last place team is actually quite nice very nice and they and they played well there was growth in certain players that were going to be key to the franchise moving forward he really ran Morgan Riley through the ringer had it Morgan had a tough year but was better the next year much much better Nazem Qadri gave him a ton of responsibility he was snake bit and couldn't score but wow was he ever a useful player obviously going forward um and both of those guys really had marked improvements after that and and really

played great that year you're missing you're missing something very key though what am I missing getting getting this team doesn't mean to suck this team doesn't mean to be rebuilding they're bad by accident that's the problem this is it's six years removed from tanking for mcdavid yeah you should have figured it out when you were going for the number one overall pick and then six years later in there you should have completed the rebuild and as a sabers fan as a sabers fan you sit through that you sit through the mckay draft and the mckay tank you sit through that going well at the end of the tunnel geez we have a one in five shot at getting mcdavid and if if we don't do that we fall ass backwards into eichel this is great what do sabers fans have to look

forward to right now and what i will say in defense of ralph kruger is the following taylor hall riley sheehan tage thompson tobias reader eric stall sam reinhardt victor olivson cody eakin kylok pozo jeff skinner curtis lazar casey middlestadt that sucks let me continue yes i know their injuries before you yell at me on defense brandon davidson rasmus ristelainen rasmus stalleen colin miller henry oki how are you uh brandon montour that sucks goaltending jonas johansson carter hutton that sucks no coach is doing shit with this now why is jeff skinner this bad that's weird why is taylor hall this bad that's weird but taylor hall riley shea and tage thompson according to dailyfaceoff.com is the sabers top line they

have fewer combined points this season than the vc spezza boyd fourth line of the list that's not good enough jesus lord the reader stall reinhardt line i want to say the night before was olufsen stall reinhardt oh oh god like should that be the top line then i oh it's just so bad like who is it don granato yep what's he gonna do with this man they you can and maybe being a little overdramatic with how bad the lineup is and ultimately they're injured but they're that bad and they're not getting saves they have all mark in who not like they have all mark and they're certainly not on a 12 game losing streak they're probably still not very good but they're not in a 12 game losing streak and ralph kruger still probably has his job

goalies keep coaches employed and they get them fired sometimes when they're not even there oh god what a mess and i'm and i'm looking tage thompson was a giant piece of the return for ryan o'reilly casey middlestad was a top 10 pick what a freaking mess you know what i found a little really concerning in the whole thing was that when Kevin Adams took over, he had zero experience as an NHL general manager.

And then now he's fired Kruger and he's put into place Dan Granato, who has zero experience as an NHL head coach. And it seems like in this organization, there's just a lack of experience from the top down and nobody can get control

of the reins and it's just a horse that's out of control. And I don't see anything coming down that's going to kind of stop it unless once again the entire organization is is remodeled and how many times you're going to keep doing that and it comes back to where's the hope right right that's how you sell tickets now is hope and i don't know how they would there isn't any well exactly that's what i'm saying is like the leafs were at least selling on hope there's No, the 14, 15 Sabres, you go, okay, take a look at the best ones. Whoever the best ones are, they're going to be playing with Eichel next year

or McDavid. And so you go, okay, and you go there. And when I was watching those bad leaf teams, I knew what I was watching and I didn't certainly didn't expect them to win, but I just wanted to see, well, I wonder if Tobias Lindbergh is going to do well today. You know, like that, it was fun watching that and we would get excited experiment it's a science experiment yeah yeah and you're tinkering and it's part of the it's the process people make fun of that will peter holland score tonight oh man on the top line

yeah yeah oh carter ashton my goodness former first round pick jesse there you go like we and so was taylor uh peter holland we and taylor hall we we looked at it with that experiment if i'm a sabers fan i'm looking at this roster going god damn it they freaking suck man they suck it's not good enough um where was it gonna go with oh kevin adams bless his soul tries hard dude loves the game i am i naive to say you can put very little of this on him no i don't think you are i i it he inherited this he was put in a position to fail you know yes but he knew that yeah but during his press conference he said it starts with me no it extraordinarily doesn't but bless you for saying it he goes i need to be better coaching needs to be better scouting needs to

be better and when he said that to me that was his like like blinking morse code saying help me when he said the scouting needs to be better. The Sabres fired them all! Yeah, it needs to be better. There aren't any. It's ownership. It's ownership. And listen, what I would say to the owners

is you're wasting your money. Get out of your own way. This is what I say to every ownership group who does a bad job at their hockey team. This isn't the first time I've given this little eulogy. here get out of the way hire a president of hockey operations to help kevin adams or at very least an assistant general manager or an assistant to the general manager hire a couple freaking scouts hire someone whose sole job it is to make sure the alumni aren't

wearing jerseys with misspelled names man like the easiest base level stuff base level stuff like we uh brian burke i think is the perfect president of hockey operations people talk about like oh you know his ideas about this and that no you're getting it wrong whenever he comes on this show or any other show he's talking about ticket sales when he was talking about did you see the hey berkey episode where he was talking about vancouver had an opportunity to get wayne gretzky yes kirk mcclain and greg adams and the first round pick yeah it was great and i would have had to jack tickets up from 30 to 35 and i just couldn't make it work and he's into the business he's into managing egos talking to ownership saying we need this we can do this we

can't do that this will be difficult but we can do it etc etc it should be kevin adams job and his staff i don't even know if he has a staff it should be his job and his staff's job to be making phone calls around the league and analyzing the hockey team and how to make it better and then there should be a somebody somebody to just say to the pagoulas here's what's happening here's what's not happening that's a great idea here's why it might not work that's a bad idea here's why it won't work you know what i mean like they just they're naked what is what's kevin adams supposed to do what's the new coach supposed to do what's anybody involved supposed to do what are you gonna fix this team in free agency fucking who's going to buffalo

dude it's a mess you gotta show everyone why it won't be a mess next year and the answer is to hire a president of hockey operations oh yeah that's what that's to me that is the it's the only solution i see i mean if you can if you can afford to play pay ralph kruger is it 3.75 million dollars you can afford a president of hockey ops where who the i need to know who ralph kruger's agent is i'm kidding i want to hire him how many nhl games as a head coach did he have under his belt when he negotiated that hi i've decided i'm leaving soccer can i coach another sport for nearly four million dollars please and the sabre said yes and i don't even know if he was good at it because of the team that they gave him they it's i think the number one way you get

players to stay in buffalo and to come to buffalo is you hire a president of hockey ops or whatever the frig you want to call them as your flag in the sand that hey we've calmed down we've calmed down a bit and we're gonna take a step back we're gonna take a step back and we're gonna let you do your jobs who's the guy or gal man i don't care i mean it's it should be someone okay people are gonna roll their eyes i don't care someone like jim rutherford someone old and leathery leathery lots of experience and we'll tell you off i think that's part of the reason he's not in pittsburgh anymore the sort of guy who can have an argument with management and go right back to them and go what are you gonna do fire me who suggested mike babcock last episode to his president of hockey

ops i said to coach the sabers i did yeah is that still a good idea no now you're making kevin adams job harder yeah because kevin adams job is he's going to be bringing in players and going hey these guys are good and babcock will let him know whether he's right or wrong what did we just talk about hierarchy what did we just talk about how great the 14 15 leafs were no they were terrible No, no, how great a job Babcock did of rebuilding that team. You know, I think he did a great job in that season. I think he did. Buffalo brings them in.

He does a great job with this core, whipping them into shape, builds up a new, a new team. And then you fire them when they're ready to win. I got a question. They still finished last man. Like that's the goal. I got a question again. Next year, not next year.

Oof. Quick question. answer um how much say does jack eichel actually have and what goes on in the sabers organization probably too much so if that's the case um how do you peel that back once that that's out here's the here's the problem i have with that adam because that is a rumor that eichel's got way too much say it's been a long time by the way it has been but i'm looking at this lineup and i'm going what part of this was his idea well we don't know hall skinner skinner might have been skinner might have been but i also i i think that's a that's a

whole barrel of monkeys i don't i don't know what's man nine million bucks the pro that's oh god that's so tough they've got to do a huge rehabilitation project here and also okay there was a thing about eric stall not wanting to do the quarantine thing okay stay in buffalo what that turned me off of getting him so much are we sure that he said that or once that that no i think media rumor i don't think that came from stall yes but all like the players don't often give candid interviews in the nhl and they go you know what i don't want to do quarantine so i'm just going off of the rumor if the rumor is true freaking stay in buffalo then i don't care I think what he's hoping, and I think what fans in Carolina are hoping,

is that that will come about. I think he's going back to Carolina. I think that's a I-don't-want-to-come-to-Toronto thing, and that's how you get out of that. Okay, but of course, if he has the option to go to an American team and that's what he wants to do, he won the cup. That would make sense. I think we all agree that's the best story.

It's 100% the best story for him to go back to Carolina. But if the option is go to Toronto or simply rot, I don't know. If you're going, well, well, like, I like what did Anthony Stewart say? Like, right, dude, ride a bike. I'm sure he's got a Peloton. The Leafs will send you a Peloton. They will buy Peloton and give you the company. Like, I don't know.

I don't know. I I'm maybe overreacting to that and burying the lead which is the Buffalo Sabres suck and they need to show players management scouts and most importantly their fans why they won't suck in the future and I think it starts with surrounding Kevin Adams with the right people Steve you've never overreacted to anything never I pride myself on that Jesse thank you I want to say this too if on the scouting thing um if you have limited resources with scouting you've got to concentrate your strengths on a certain area. You know how in NHL 21, it's like, well, how's your European

scout? Are you going to upgrade your European? You can hire the next guy. You've got to flick the slider to go more towards the European. Oh, there's more guys out there now. Now I can see that he's a D-minus prospect before it was just a question mark. That's cool. I'm

so excited I paid for that upgrade, EA. I think what you do to save money in the same time stop scouting europe if you're the sabers and i know that sounds crazy stop scouting them only scout north america save your money and scout one area and scout it the best you don't know if that's one area no that's what you do i think you're simplifying this a little too much well how many scouts do they have if they've got like five scouts that is not enough

to cover europe and north america so they might have a unique advantage this year actually in that they only do video scouting really and that's all anyone is able to do oh no okay so i just remember i was saying oh no remember i was saying the early picks the first and second are going to be worth less but your deeper picks are going to be worth more because it's just about throwing darts at the board the sabers only have five picks this year how are they this bad and they only have five and i looked up how they only have five by the way they have their first no let me start let me let me start at the back start it back they have their seventh they have their sixth they don't have their fifth do we know why they don't have

their fifth uh who carries wayne simmons oh oh who they had for eight games who they had to have at the deadline last year i told you that was nuts i said it at the time that's crazy they didn't have a shot and steve you're like well upside chance i did i didn't mind the idea of bringing him in just to be like look guys we give a shit like i didn't i didn't mind it all right the the season also ended because of a panorama so they would have got a little bit more games with wayne simmons it's a shame about the the panago but you know the so they have their fourth round pick oh they don't have their third round pick why don't they have their third round pick let's click thank you cap friendly oh from a 20 a july 1st 2019 trade that they made with the new

york rangers in order to acquire no jimmy vc oh you just scored 17 twice yeah but he scored 12 for them over two years like a third they got 12 goals for a third round pick 12 goals and they have their second and their first and here let's click this why not they don't have their fifth in 2022 i want to know why i'm clicking it i want to know why why won't it come up pick traded away on july 28th 2019 clicked of who in 2019 was was it jason botterill yeah who's making these decisions and for some reason i'm clicking it and it's not coming up if i find out i will let you know um oof maroon this team i cannot believe that and that's the thing is that like that wouldn't matter as

much the third rounder wouldn't matter as much on on a team say like the penguins who's seen recent success you understand why they're they're trading a third round pick to bolster the years that you have left the juice you have left from malkin and crosby you get it but the sabers cannot spend that they couldn't spend it in 19 they can't spend it now and now they're now the chicken's coming to roost for the for the for the last place sabers it's terrible oh boy someone okay i'm sorry someone during a what is this a three four day stretch in 2019 made some frigging choices it's bottle yeah oh boy um so huh oh oh heavens um colin miller to the sabers uh and they sent vegas a second and a fifth the second is this year i guess it's not their own because they have their

own and that's where the fifth went um so we solved that mystery and then a few days later it was vc colin miller at the time though people thought more of all those uh oh yeah i don't think vegas played him very much he like sat a lot that could have been a print what didn't he i thought there's some sort of issue there anyway uh no friggin um who's the drug line didn't want to play him right oh and i forgot they traded for skinner yeah tell us that trade cliff poo who i think was a second round pick a 2019 second a 2023 23rd at 2026 oh wow good yeah and then he scored 40 though like no one i don't think we thought this would turn into a disaster certainly not right away a lot of people were like holy shit

that contract for jeff skinner's too much we didn't think this would happen well if he scored 35 a year i don't think anyone's complaining too much about that and they got a guy to resign in buffalo which is pretty rare i think i think the issue is you got a coach who didn't believe in i don't know i don't know if jeff skinner doesn't have it anymore or something but you got to figure out a way to make that jeff skinner contract work because you scored a couple times recently but he's right now he's a fourth line player on the worst team in the national hockey league like we i think we all agree that that's not jeff skinner's skill level just that he has a more innate hockey ability than that i don't know jesse i don't know but he hasn't proven it yet

under the previous head coach, so we'll see what happens, but hopefully he turns that around. Sorry, just a little tweet from Thomas Drance. Jimmy Vesey drove his own car to the Canadian Tire Center from Toronto once he got claimed on waivers yesterday. He's in Montreal now,

left his car at the rink in Canada, and will get it shipped to wherever he needs it eventually. That's going to be a hefty shipping fee. He's okay. If he's going to Vancouver or whatever, he can um i think you can ship it for 10 grand so a lot of money that's the cost of most people's cars yes but guys he's not making normal guy money this is a man who makes who has made over a million dollars in his career in the last five years multiple times over i think he can spare the

10 grand if he wants or here's your car sell it what do you need that car well maybe yo but question maybe it's a really nice car go get a new one like wow who knows you know celebrate not being let us not let's not just let's not put our let's not let's not put our financial restraints on these guys different worlds completely different world we'll never understand unless we make that kind of money if we all become steven a smith we'll get it One day. That's all we have to do. Small, small thing for us.

Steve had to pee. We took a break. Do you know why? Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Jesse. I just thought we'd address the big issue with this episode. And it's that Steve has abandoned his giant blue bottle. That's the size of him that he's been drinking.

And instead he switched to a much smaller cup. Hmm. I wonder why. Could it be that drinking all of that water during the podcast wasn't the best idea? could be so i still use it it's just during the show i realize when i take a drink it's all anybody can focus on i have weighed it i know you were wondering nine pounds so i drink nine pounds of water a day and i usually have more than that so it's probably about 10 um and it's good for you and eat shit i missed you using all of your biceps to hold it up

i have dad biceps now though i'm unstoppable i'm just holding babies all the time 400 babies leo's great i miss him uh steve you wanted to do some talking about robin lennar and matt murray yeah um so there was a story yesterday uh about robin lennar and it's i mean so much stuff has been happening this season i had not heard of any of this um all we had talked about is oh robin lender's not having a very good season like compared to before that's all we really saw i didn't realize he'd actually been out for a while and i definitely didn't see anywhere that there was speculation about his mental health um and you know maybe he was taking a step back to go do that um to go address that get it looked after whatever because he had previous battles

uh with mental illness and he came back to address that and he was pretty upset about it um so he obviously heard it somewhere and he's like guys i had a concussion um no i had not heard that anywhere i didn't know i don't know when he got it where he got it but that that's why he's been out of the lineup and he had a concussion and then he was he was talking about the stigma around mental illness and he's like you know what this is this is why like people don't talk about it this is why people don't get help and i was like you know what robin leonard is absolutely right and then i was thinking about what i was talking about last episode with matt murray and let me just say i was a hundred percent wrong and jesse like i listen i was

spitballing in the moment we were trying to figure out what's going on with matt murray and i'm like and and it was out of love like it's out of concern like i don't want to see another person suffer you know uh if he i speculated and you shouldn't do that that you know maybe he's going through some things in his head i don't know exactly what um but you know could that be the reason why he's struggling and i was just i don't know just jesse in the moment was like i think you're assuming a lot and as i was spitballing and just shit's coming out of my mouth jesse goes i think you're assuming a lot and it kind of like snapped me back to reality and right away i'm like oh that that now i feel bad now i don't think i've done a very good job and even

after the show we were i was like guys should we maybe take that out um and uh yeah i just want to say sorry i didn't do a very good job with that and robin leonard was absolutely right and you don't need people being nosy and getting all up into your business and trying to fucking uh you know analyze you like i gotta like i'm like i'm a therapist or something i'm just a guy who's been to one and i i appreciate that i think the point you were trying to make is the matt melody matt murray's ability is still there why is it not working for him and i think that sometimes that and laid you down a few different paths um i think that was the salient point there and i think that was the point everybody sort of walked away with but respect the fact that you're saying

what you're saying steve yeah i don't know i don't want to do a shitty job and i don't want to assume anything about anybody so yeah i know well hey despite my best efforts sometimes i do a shitty job you know that's that's what it is no but like robin lenner like he's really become a leading voice in all this and and he was absolutely right and uh there were two things that just happen to be connected and uh they both happen to be goalies and i connected the dots and it's good to have friends that sort of call you out in the moment as well oh that's that's the only reason i'm here nag you two and call you out in the moment and just i mean we deserve it look at the mug look at the mug right there face on it that says this is the old one imagine it's the new

an improved mug yeah there's adam there's my crotch doing the splits my crotch yeah on the mug by the by the chug mug that's the second time your crotch has come up this episode that's interesting that's that's a good episode all right i think we're done those pants are not as flattering as the new sdp dangle navy uh pants are for my crotch so anyway yeah this is how we deal with awkward moments sorry i don't i don't know what about this was awkward for you it seems perfectly fine for me hey i just want to quickly ask you a question rangers and flyers are the flyers that bad or are the rangers much better than we thought they just haven't had a great year uh bro no national hockey league team loses nine nothing on a consistent basis i don't know

what and it's not just that it was nine nothing it's seven goals in a period and nine nothing after two? Yeah, and then the Rangers kind of, they held back a little in the third. Also, Giorgi, I'll assume it's going to be 15-0. Giorgi, you have an unbelievable couple saves there. There's the one, I don't know if you saw the one where he reaches

out and he kicks it with his toe. Unbelievable. I've never seen a goalie do a split that well. What was the score? That's what I was going to say. Oh my god, I think it was like five or something at the time. It's still going all out. Great. Yeah, but the Leaf fan in me he's like well it prevented the five goal

comeback you know that was the turning point of the game and that allowed the Rangers to cruise to a 9-0 victory and Zibanejad ties the record for most points in a period like that that's going at six and I mean

he goes from having a pretty ho-hum season to hey he's fine he's totally fine like Mika Zibanejad when he's dialed is a destroyer of worlds there was a game last year where if i'm not mistaken he had was it every goal in a uh 5-4 overtime win i think he had five goals in a game last year i don't remember that there was the the the i want to say the rocket race

was matthews and posturnak i know matthews at 47 i think posturnak also had 47 i didn't realize this until I looked it up the other day Ovechkin had 48 he's so stupid man and um but Zibanejad was like you know back of the pack back of the pack sort of in the conversation five goals and he's right there I think he ended up uh with over 40 he was rocketing up the standings and it wasn't even just that game um I want to read a quote to you from the Calgary Flames post game last night and this comes from a kachuk brother which one the one that matters say the wrong one say the guy who's retired i'm sorry who is it i'm not gonna say it it's matthew um so i gotta hold it before we before we get to this are the flyers the east division's flames the team that should be better

than they are yeah oh oh oh you know what man hmm that's a pretty good comparison and i believe you mean it the way that i mean it like you say it with love you look at that team and you go you ought to be better yes it's not you suck it's you ought to be better right the thing in east division though is that there was always going to be one or two of the top teams that we thought were going to be good left out of the playoffs because no one was counting out the caps pens flyers bruins rangers and there's five teams for four slots who remembers the islanders the six teams for four slots and i think like nobody wanted to write any of those teams out and it just happens to be that the flyers and the rangers are the ones who got off to slow starts so yeah the rangers i would

have said you know like agree with you i think they they could have made the playoffs they've had some things this year the d'angelo stuff the panarin stuff there's been a lot of things that of derailed the rangers um the flyers is shocking to me because i would have thought it would have been pittsburgh i really would have thought of all the teams that had the chance of falling off it would have been pittsburgh but i suppose the flyers just never have yet in the carter heart era which is what i'm going to call it um cemented themselves as a great team they sure looked great in the bubble but cc has looked so good for the pens man yeah and tristan jari in his last like six games has been like a 957 amazing stupid amazing comeback for him big comeback um but i

want to read this because uh matthew kachuk's not happy uh because i by the way the flames also got blown out last night by the oilers he said when you're playing against conor mcdavid especially when you're trailing and you chase the game and give chances and play that run and gun style he's sniffing blood there um i guarantee toronto was watching us tonight and probably licking their chops with the way we played those skilled guys over there are wanting a game like that on friday and saturday night that's not the way we should be playing against them i guarantee that otherwise it's gonna we're gonna be in for a long two nights that is what he said yes that is a remarkably candid comment from a guy who honestly if calgary doesn't build the next iteration of this franchise

around uh mackie chuck they're nuts that's the kind of guy listen if i'm a flames fan i can root for that you guys are playing like shit but but you own it you go we're we played like shit and we're gonna be fucked if we play like shit no but leave me alone bro no leave me alone you stop stop starting stuff man stop starting stuff i don't feel like playing hockey what is this what is this his teammates the teammates well and that that quote i first originally read from darren Haynes and I think he responded to somebody and he said um somebody said well you know uh I forget what it was but he replied to a reply and said until the Flames best players start playing like their best players scoring like their best players they're not going anywhere I don't think you can

put this on Matthew Kachok I think he's a pretty darn good hockey player I think Gaudreau and monaghan um i think we're coming to the end of that in calgary how do you you've switched on the road you gotta make it you've that is the fork in the road is those two you've you've you've traded the players around them you fired two coaches now one of them because he needed to be fired completely different circumstance but it wasn't going take the racism out of it the bill peters experiment in calgary was not going well at all terribly like the racism out of it yeah you know what i mean like it's it's sort of exactly i know it sounds ridiculous but that guy was going to be fired anyway does that make sense yes sorry i know that sounds terrible it's like

hey i know what you meant but i was like hmm yeah um no uh but you know what i'm saying right i want to say gaudreau's on like his fifth coach isn't he because wasn't it dude who tortorella tried to fight i forget who forget and then it was Galutzen yeah then it was Peters then Jeff Ward and now it's Daryl Sutter Galutzen's the one who threw the stick

like Batista right yeah was he when he whipped his stick at practice and ended up in the top deck or whatever you're right deep left field no doubt about it he threw him a fastball

he couldn't say no to the fastball anyway you know who I look at I compare Johnny Goudreau to and the and these flames to the Raptors with Chris Bosh Chris Bosh was not going to be like he was a great player but he wasn't an elite tier player Bosh or Johnny Goudreau if Johnny Goudreau is your best player Sean Sean Monaghan is your best player I do question how far you think you're gonna go i know that sounds crappy but i don't see i don't see it in the place i think they're great complimentary do you know what i'm saying so like let's say let's say the leafs william neilander is the best player in the toronto maple leafs okay he's he's top three or four right now

william neilander is a 70 point player 30 goal scorer really really good hockey player but if he is the best player they have right now nobody's going they're winning the cup and that's no offense to william nylander no you you're absolutely right you need a couple elite level guys the flames do not have that this isn't how life works but mathematically as a professional athlete um once you get above a certain age you're probably not going to be as good as you were the year before and i've said this for at least a year now with the calgary flames like the margierdano clock is ticking and they got to make decisions there they got to make decisions there are you gonna i mean and i'm not saying they should sell i'm saying you got to do

the most you can with what mark giordano has left in the nhl i've if i'm the flame i mean they're right there what are they like two three points out right one three of the last four that was your first loss under daryl sutter bye i'd like to see the flames buy and go for it yeah at this point i don't look at monahan and group drone like that line as like the the top line like i lindholm is there is their first line center he's their star center i look at he leaves the team in points he's playing with kachuk like that's that's my top line on the flame so but that's precisely the issue yeah treat treat good drone monahan like the second line players and like not the stars on the team and if is it necessary at this point to move them for assets like that's the

points you've reached at and don't look at them as unmovable stars because they are what they are at this point and they're not that like the hype around goudreau was for it was really high all those the years when he first came into the league and like the little guys doing all these special things but and he was and he was he was truly and he still is a special player but if you're at the point where you're like hey we can package this guy here and get a get a little for monaghan here and then really take our team to the next level like maybe that's what you need to do if you can do a retool year with the Flames two teams I'm calling about Goudreau if I am the Flames are New Jersey and LA I think he'd fit in really well especially with the Kings emerging be a really

good punch for them up front and obviously the New Jersey connection is that he grew up there and I think it'd be kind of neat to see that Monaghan I almost wonder if you hang on to but you stop putting the expectation on him that he's going to be the number one guy and I like you said Jesse. I think Lindholm is. But whenever you talk about the Flames, you talk about Goudreau and Monaghan. And I think maybe they're not the guys to be talking about anymore, not because they don't produce in the regular season, but because there's not been a success in the playoffs, which is where it counts. And people could say, well, you said the same about Matthews. They're not the same age and it is not the same. It's not the same. You know,

it's not the same. I think it might be time. It's interesting. Last year with the bubble and everything it's you can't judge everything off this small sample and even though this year is a clearly unique year and it's a shortened season and you're playing the same six seven teams over and over again i think a lot of teams are getting ready to make definitive big decisions right now um i think the i think quarantine has brought that out of people and also uh seattle is looming the end is nigh for someone on each and every nhl team right so it's i think we're gonna see which teams need to make a decision here they gotta get off the pot which teams cannot spend uh or cannot afford uh after this season when we see what goes to the

crack and i think there are going to be some really really good players that are going to be available to seattle like really good players that in a normal year this would not be possible and it'll be interesting because no matter what happens in seattle they're going to be measured up against vegas and i don't think it's a fair comparison because of the economic realities of today versus three years ago but with the up for vegas for a buying team which is what sorry for a for seattle a buying team which is what they are it's a buyer's market you better go out there and kick some ass here ron francis and his team better be prepared because vegas did it and they didn't have the same sort of economic reality there's going to be a lot of teams who are like please

take this contract please take this player i know they're very good we can't afford them vegas also did an extremely good job because i think all of us looked at that team on paper because the conversation became vegas really screwed over these teams and beat them in trades and that wasn't the trade when they started or the conversation when they started no we looked that team on paper and said boy do they stink that is not a good looking team and what vegas did really well outside of trading is what seattle's gonna have to do identify guys who are in europe in the minors and on third and fourth lines and go these are first and second line players william carlson was on the blue jackets fourth line and he scored 40 goals it's unbelievable

They've got to find guys who are in the wrong role. That's what they've got to do to replicate Vegas. Very, very interesting to see how that goes. Let's get into the press conference, Jesse. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. All right. First, we should probably say a word for our Asian-American Pacific Islander communities out there.

I know you're all probably reeling and feeling very heavy right now, we just want to say we support you and if you want to support um your asian american friends and just the communities around north america visit stop aapihate.org you can find out all the info there and you could donate so i just want to get that in there thank you for that jesse yeah it's not just a problem in the states it's in canada too and wherever you're listening from i'm sure it's an issue there too yeah uh first question comes from strife underscore uh jpg This is something I always see come up Every couple months in Leafs Twitter

And Strife asked it to us So I'm going to ask it to you guys When are we going to finally make Riley a forward? Stop He's never going to be a forward He's never going to be a forward The Leafs would have to acquire Like two top forward

At the deadline for me to be like Ah, you know what, do it I want to see Hey, I want to see Riley on the left of Matthews and Marner. Let's go. That would be kind of fun though. Oh, it would be it would be hilariously fun

but what makes you think they can do that? What makes you think taking Morgan Riley off of this defense and putting, I don't know, Sandin there is going to make it better. It's not, folks. It's not. Stop that. I know you don't like him in your own end.

That's fine. But look at how much he's scoring. We know he can be better in his own end. T.J. Brody has been wonderful there. But why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Why are you asking for a thing that when was the last time this happened? What if?

Bufflin and Burns? They don't play it like, hey, we have three forwards and two defensemen. What if? It's like, hey, we have two forwards, two defensemen, and then this rover guy. Like Tyson Berry in Colorado? Kind of. but they just reimagine the, the strategy for a hockey team, you know, and they, they got,

they got this middle guy who's kind of in between both the defense and forward group. And it's more, I think if you, I think if you watch, that's already happened. Mitch Marner is in the defensive zone, an awful lot for a guy who like puts up as many points as he does. Riley is pinching all the time now and going below the goal line in the offensive zone and tj brody is like hey guys like he's he's always gonna be back there he's very rarely gonna jump up in the rush he's gonna break up two-on-ones um stop doing this to morgan guys

stop it he's got he's not perfect but he's also very very good so like i think sometimes you get so close to the painting you you can't see the whole picture um where does he rank among leaf defenseman drafted and developed by the leafs in our life drafted well beyond that beyond that forget that i mean number one for sure but forget that for a second just what he brings to the team yeah there are you you're him or cabaret like yeah that's the conversation i think you gotta like i think we gotta chill on that i think there are other players that do other roles and morgan riley does not do everything if you're looking for morgan riley to be scott stevens or morgan riley to be alex petrangelo he is not that player he's not

but he's very good at what morgan riley does and i can guarantee that there are as of this offseason 31 other nhl teams who would love to have him so don't i know there are people out there and i have friends with them steven birch fucking can't stand morgan riley but that's there is a role that and steven steven wouldn't admit that there is a you're absolutely right and here's play there's a role that he plays on this team that goes beyond a his play on the ice which by the way is pretty phenomenal and i think that the like i understand if people are like well you can't resign him after next season that's a fucking eons away who cares he's playing great now tj brody's covering for him now you have muzzin and hall now just focus on now he's going

to play defense you know that's going to happen if they were going to experiment with him and forward they should have done it three years ago this is not the time now is the time to tighten the fuck up and go and win the cup that's what they need to do no there is one thing morgan reilly needs to improve on what this has been bugging me for a while i hate his tape job i hate it i gotta look this up why do you care it's just it matters adam it's ugly and it doesn't matter no but it's regular ugly this is the thing it's not ugly like poster knock or panarin or um who else someone else is a really stupid one stutzela yeah he's got a really stupid one riley's is just like that's how your uncle tapes the sticks in your garage like the wooden ones

that your nona saws off and uses for the tomato plants in the spring every you all grew up italian right that's that's the thing i don't know something about his tape job it bugs me stop have a question is it is liking or caring about a tape job hockey's equivalent of caring about like random engine parts in a car like it's such a like it's sort of like it's it's the people that are like i need momo pads i need momo like i you know those things like the the accelerators and the brakes i need no got momo pedals on what is what is what is your issue with people having hobbies this is not a hobby this is an obsession about something that affects absolutely nothing and you guys so you man steve when you were talking about with this with marty st louis i

was like who the fuck cares guys it literally affects nothing yeah i don't think that's right they could go on the ice with no tape and they'd be fine steve i don't think you were talking to marty st louis about anything we're not marty st louis um um mark savard yeah the other guy not marty st louis why did i say marty st louis i don't know mark i don't know why you have a problem with people having passions and hobbies because no one this isn't even my passion it's just an interest you know what uh matt stafford uh he wears a glove when he throws a football i don't know if matt stafford does uh can we talk about the the shape of his glove or or um you know guys in baseball that wear tape on their fingers does anyone in boxing worry about how

their hands are taped up underneath the gloves no i think why do we talk about this yeah i think that's a really bad example actually yeah oh yeah they actually talk about that in boxing when you when you wrap your hands like this guy's doing specific ways you know i gotta find the doc adam but there's a boxer who was like i want to say he was like going for champion in a certain weight division and he's in prison now because he uh because he taped his hands the wrong way no his gloves were illegal and the guy ended up dying oh oh yeah no so what happened it was this is what we're talking about sorry anyway this is relevant murder you brought it up we weren't we were talking about hockey sticks not murder

he was talking about gloves he was talking about boxing gloves I wasn't he was talking about boxing gloves no no Steve tell us the story of murder okay fine that reminded me of Jesse and I were talking about that news clip in the studio

where there's like news bloopers that are really funny on YouTube I know it goes way back but that news blooper is like blah blah blah this man but he's gay I'm sorry he's blind he's blind it kind of reminded me remember that cliff yeah he climbed mount everest but and and uh excuse me my wife saw that for the first time i'm like i saw that i downloaded

that on like kazaa i've seen this for the first time daily motion in 2000 anyway steve what's this story about the boxer who killed the man oh okay well anyway okay the the cole's notes is basically there was this undefeated boxer and throughout the fight he is just getting the brakes beaten off him by this other guy and and like his face is a mess and and like they're talking throughout the fight and they have theories on what's going on and basically what happens is this guy's it was either the the guy who ended up losing the fight um it was either his coach or his father i can't remember walks in the ring to shake the hand of the boxer who just won and what he does is he grabs the

glove nice and tight and he feels there's nothing there there's no pad it's just so he's just he's just got like a taped up i don't know if he put something on the tape to make it harder and there's no pad in the glove so he's just bare knuckle destroying this guy and so he gets caught for cheating he gets he gets the book thrown at him and i think he went to jail and that's why morgan riley can't be a forward on the leaf exactly if speaking of tape jobs if you can do if you're taking up taping up your uh shin pads and you can do that thing where you go across both your legs and then you chop it in the middle and it's both your shin pads are tied i i love you and you're my favorite person i respect that yeah yeah that's yeah philip forsberg yeah i think it's

the coolest shit in the world anyways that's something i like learning how to play hockey recently is people are oh no oh you do that and you do that and then what you discover is the cool people are like what no who could do it feels comfortable all right yeah put tape there wow like i don't know it sounds crazy yeah like oh wow all i said was it looks ugly adam you look at that tape job and you tell me it sparks joy i i will marry condo his tape job and i'll get back to you okay you guys want another question yeah one more one more all right this comes from nick so you might not hear these because our ads are um dynamic ads so not everybody gets every ad in all of our podcasts so we adam usually records

the liner and then they go in and then so they pop up for some people depending on your region so nick wanted to know why do all your ads recently involve trying to sell something to my dick and balls adam adam could you address this and also you can also lead into uh you say something in spanish in a couple of our ads oh yeah the people have been harassing you about that as well but first start off with the dick and balls so here's the thing um podcast is still extremely hard to sell and so um which is crazy because it's doing huge numbers and joe rogan uh had the 100 million dollar deal with spotify and you know if he's if spotify is paying him a hundred million dollars. That means that they think they can make more than five times that

off of Joe Rogan, right? That's, that's how that works. That's a licensing deal. They bought it. They spent a ton of money up front and they said, we can profit after we make back our a hundred million. That's a lot of money. And I think what what's happened is you have to have, um, specific buyers who, um, understand why the medium is so powerful. It is an extremely powerful medium, but you have to remember that there are a lot of people, even in broadcasting, like people who are in radio. And Jesse and I are lucky to work at a pretty progressive company, Steve as well, when it comes to this sort of stuff. But there are a ton of high-ranking, well-paid, extremely successful executives in radio who've never downloaded a podcast,

have no idea what it means, not interested in it, don't listen to it. And I bet you in your life, the majority of people in your life still do not have a favorite podcast. I bet the majority of a certain age, you know, you, people are aged people younger. Usually you start to kind of grab onto certain shows that you like. And so what's happened is, and this is, is that, um, for sports podcasts, you get lumped in with, you know, it's a, it's a male for better or for worse. Um, it's a bit of a male slant on sports podcasts right now. i don't say it always has to be that way but that's who's buying right so you got to sell to who's buying and that's you can get blue chew as a stocking stuffer as well absolutely and it's

it's like that's the thing is that just because it's a um uh a sexual enhancement or however you want to qualify that uh thing doesn't mean that women wouldn't buy it and just because we're doing a sports podcast doesn't mean women aren't listening it just means that you've got to remember if you're selling something there's got to be a market for somebody's got to buy it that's who's buying it's it's like you know when you hear um you know there there's like certain podcast sponsorships that buy everywhere like me undies or manscaped or whatever they're the ones that are buying so you sell the recruiter zip recruiter huge one i mean we have that fbm with us uh yeah like the ton there's a and that's who's buying so um uh you know there's still a lot of and it's

funny because it's pennies on the dollar sometimes in podcasts for, you know, what you would spend versus what the audience you get, uh, you, you get to tap into. Um, there are still a lot of advertising agencies who are the same as broadcast. They've never listened to a podcast. They have no idea how powerful this is, how like, think about, think about the radio, right? You can walk into a random store and the radio will be on. And that's, that's called a passive medium because you might be listening. You might be not, but it's, it's on in the background. We're what's called an active medium so you have to seek us out and download us or stream us think about the kind of passion it takes to go to a new and a relatively niche sport like hockey and download

a podcast that has no mainstream coverage at all our show has zero we have been an independent production from the beginning this came from nothing and any advertising that we have gotten it wasn't from us no like spotify put us up in union station a bit yeah like we've been lucky that way but we've never had uh it was me doing the ads forever it was me like not me doing them but like me selling them and so i think you know uh a lot of times you'll see that with a lot of podcasts that are um sports related or whatever is they kind of just do a group buy and that's what that's what costs so that's why that's the uh the answer from a uh from a media perspective of why that's happening. I expect that to change, but you have to remember that we are just still

at the beginning stage of podcasts really taking off and being a really like viable source of money. When we started this podcast, I remember about three years in, actually, it's not even right away. There was an article printed in a broadcast magazine that said podcasting this year will be a market of a hundred million dollars. Now compare and contrast five years later, that's still when we were doing it in my mom's basement steve joe rogan alone made 100 million dollars right right so that's the growth we're at and we're talking about a growth curve that's still probably 10 15 years away from being where it'll be when it starts to even out and flatten out be in its peak and so it's it's a it's an enormous medium that is still relatively untapped

by a lot of agencies who frankly do not understand it and it will take people our age and younger and a little bit older too, getting into those high ranking positions at PR companies, at advertising agencies to shift that. And what has to happen is you got to be old enough to take it. Like I'm 32 years old. I've been radio for 15 years already, 15. And I am still, I'm just at the point where I'm a morning show host in the last couple of years. It takes time. And that's why there's that little bit of a curve behind. And that's the, that's the best example I can give you can you talk about how you don't know how to speak spanish oh yeah also that um so apparently the uh with my babble read uh i i tried to say go leaves go but apparently what it's it's closer to

there was a couple of people that reached out they're like i don't know what the hell you're saying and i'm a spanish speaker first and foremost uh but apparently it says the leaves are falling oh no not go leaves go can you explain the whole ad because you're why they've been well babble if you haven't heard our babble ad it's basically it's learning a language 15 minutes at a time so it's not beginning you demonstrate what you've learned by saying go leafs go in spanish and you're not learned i did not so what the better way to do it is vamos leaves or at least vamos so uh that's the that's my correction that's been sent to me by several of our uh latino uh listeners and thank you so much for for sending that they apparently just got a huge

kick out of it thought it was hilarious and my pronunciations aren't good anyway so um i'm working on it listen it's tough to be a single dad and try to learn spanish i love spanish i think it's a beautiful language two things have nothing to do with each other give me a breather i don't have any time okay i got 15 minutes at a time to do babble thank god they do it okay what wait you wait till you're a dad jesse you see how much free time you get i'm gonna get my ad reads right that's all right well fine anyway jesse what would we do besides be more confident hey you need something for your dick and balls to be bigger

that's not what they're for that's not what the hey we're a product we'll make your balls bigger we're not no but anyway listen thank you so much for listening we're gonna wrap it up on that uh and uh we'll be back on monday i hope is it sdpn.ca to enhance your dnb that's right and don't knock your lights over like i almost did my t-shirt came hit your chug mug and get it say it steve get it say it to end the show What are you going to say? And you can't do what I was going to say.

I don't get it. Anyway, we'll see you Monday. The Steve Dangle Podcast. Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle, at Adam W-Y-L-D-E, and at Jesse Blake. Connection complete.