The Steve Dangle Podcast - Karlsstay | February 27, 2018

Episode Date: February 27, 2018

On this episode, the winners and losers from trade deadline day (00:00), the Ryan McDonagh deal (08:00), Detroit (17:00), THE LEAFS (27:00), Vegas is unfair (35:00), what are the Canucks (42:00), Pierre Dorian and Erik Karlsson are best friends (55:00), is Tampa actually better? (1:08:00), and the press conference: Moore and bad tweets. (1:15:00). Originally aired: February 27, 2018 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/p2hrErXntUY Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.C. Cool Food Checkpoint The Steve Dangle Podcast With your hosts Steve Dangle and Adam Wild Guys, Steve is tired I wasn't going to bring it up

Steve is trade deadlined out, you guys It has nothing to do with the trade deadline Steve was working the phone so hard For 15 hours on Sportsnet yesterday And also Me, Armstrong, Armdog Mallard we retired

Dougie yeah Mayor Mayor Z I'm trying to give American nickname Mayor Z that's a very

I feel like that'd be a hockey nickname for him yeah for sure Jeff Z Jeffy Jeffy no Jeffy's his wife

I think you can't Jeffy is not something that two dudes say to each other I don't think it might be though might be

it's hockey yeah anything's possible you're right I mean you're right There's a lot of bud tapping in hockey, too. Hockey is for everyone.

That's true. We're off to a really good start. I have a lot of faith in this show. This is going to be a good podcast. So run us through your last 10 hours. Oh, for crying out loud. Look, I went to bed late because I uploaded the LFR video last night because I knew we were going to record this morning,

and then I got here this morning. So I got about three hours in. I feel good about it. You know who he did that for? You. The people. You. You, the listener.

I'm a man of the people. You, the viewer, and you, the listener. Steve is a content machine. just content and content and content just vomiting content and rainbows out of his mouth but there's hockey to talk about there is and you know what I just want to say

congratulations because there are buying winners and there are selling winners congratulations to yesterday's buying winners the Winnipeg Jets you think so? the Winnipeg Jets are the buying winners of yesterday why is that?

because Winnipeg I mean listen nothing against Tampa they made some great moves Like, let's just get that off the table before the Lightning fan get upset. But Lightning fan, we know. Like, we know, we know. Winnipeg, city of what, 600, 700,000 people. Mike Hoffman doesn't want to waive his no-trade clause.

He'd rather play for Eugene in Ottawa than go to Winnipeg. You know who looks pretty dumb today? Mike Hoffman. Yeah, you're right. Okay, well. Have fun. Enjoy your early summer. Yeah, he just wants to go golfing, I guess.

Have fun. but what else am i to deduce paul stasny waived his no trade clause to go he left a playoff team i shouldn't say that there might be family circumstances whatever but you're right and and that i think is a big deal paul stasny is a big deal centerman in this league he wasn't supposed to get traded and and somehow he was a sleeper i heard okay but like st louis is again a team selling that could make the playoffs that's selling at the deadline again and I don't know what's happening over there. What's up with that?

Do they have money problems? No. I think it's just they don't believe in their team. They've gone on a really terrible run lately. Yeah, they've also been losing a lot. That's true. Like a bunch of losers. It's that time of year where certain storylines can get swept under the rug.

You know how I found out about St. Louis' losing streak? Our Reddit page. I was like, what? They currently sit outside of the playoffs, one point back of Los Angeles for the second wild card, but they are on a four-game losing streak, 3, 6, and 1 in the last 10. Geez, maybe they should have sold more.

And they used to be one of the top teams in their division. As early as a month ago. It wasn't that long ago. So it's interesting that they've fallen off a cliff here, and they're already going, okay, fine. To me, it's good asset management. Good on Doug Armstrong, because he got a couple conditional picks

out of it. But I think it's a big win for the Jets. Absolutely. Because Kevin Chevelle always takes the trade deadline day off. Oh, my God. No, I'll give it to you. He actually made a move. He did something.

And he made that strong team already stronger. So you got Paul Stastny going to the Jets. The Blues get a conditional first, a conditional fourth in 2020, and Eric Foley. I would like to know the conditions on all that. Now, if I'm not mistaken, isn't Foley a good prospect? There were a couple good prospects traded yesterday. I'm trying to remember who they all are.

But I don't think there were. it's interesting because there were a lot of first rounders dealt. There was not that you didn't see like a marquee prospect. You didn't see like a Sergachev moved. Like Sergachev pre this season. Like an A plus, you know he's going to be a good

prospect. Oh yeah. Well, I was surprised Sergachev didn't get moved yesterday. I was too. So anyway, I think of the buyers, I think this is a huge hurdle for the Winnipeg Jets to jump because most of the time they've just had to develop within. They can't chase anybody in the

in free agency they can compete on that same level well and here they are and for a team who you would suspect would have to overpay at the deadline i i don't know you look at what some other teams did i don't think they overpaid no at least in comparison to the other buyers so i was getting chirped by uh c alia on twitter so your your thing is everyone is literally the nicest yes mine is such and such team probably has the best forward depth in the league Because I've said that Of several teams now I've said that about

Oh I put the Leafs Forward depth up Against anybody And Tampa's forward depth I put up against anybody But who can beat Sidney Crosby And the Pittsburgh Penguins

Really Let me do What do I get Five teams Yep Okay Leafs I will put in there

Tampa you have to put in there Penguins I'll still put in there With this trade I think even before this trade How do you not put the Jets They gotta be they gotta be and then I don't know

screw it I'll only do four I'm too tired what about Boston I don't know if they're that they got a killer couple one two lines but like

they're a great team but like I just don't think their depth is that ah ah after the deadline

yeah I haven't seen the roster yet maybe you're right and also I think Krejci's been out Jesse might be right when Krejci's back yikes

yeah that's pretty crazy um also yeah you showed a lot of love to the west yeah yeah

the Jets yeah but you threw that in because we were talking about them do you think you have an East bias? maybe or maybe the East is better now yeah the East is better

for sure also we're not saying the best teams I'm just saying forward depth are all are four of the you know no one's

no one's looking at the Leafs and going deepest team in the league because you look at the defense and you go oh heavens hey Polak had a giveaway yesterday Hey, let's not go to the Leaf game yet, please.

Thank you. I just thought I'd throw that in there. I wanted to shout out the Winnipeg Jets. I thought it was a big deal that they made a big deal. So you wanted to shout out the Winnipeg Jets. All right. The winner of the day? I mean, I think winner of the day has to go to Tampa.

I mean, if we're talking about winner of the day, like I give the Jets the Selkie. I give the MVP to the Lightning. I see. JT Miller and Ryan McDonough, I know they gave up a lot. And Vlad Nemestnikov, and I get that, I get that. But think about how scary that team looks when those two guys arrive. They really don't have a weakness.

Jesse, who won the trade deadline? I was thinking about that. And I was going to go with the Rangers. Damn it. I was hoping you'd say someone else. That's my answer. Hold on, hold on. But that's different circumstances.

I think you have to have buying winners and selling winners. You can't compare the two. I think they're apples and oranges, right? So I totally, the Rangers won the selling, the sell-off, for sure. I don't think you have to separate it at all. who won the day they won the day what do you mean

oh come on man yeah you do the buying winner it's totally different the buying answer is the team who wins the Stanley Cup in lieu of that

yeah that's true we have based on what the Rangers walked away with they'll probably be good next year again like it's unbelievable well yeah

I tweeted something like last week the Rangers were like alright we're rebuilding and this you know this afternoon they're like alright

that was fun thanks That's unbelievable what they did I was impressed I was really impressed Extremely impressed And what's amazing is reading some of the newspapers out of New York this morning They're not convinced, eh?

There's a lot of writers who are like, this is a very risky rebuild Yeah, you're wrong, guys No, you'd be risky to hang on to these guys No, yeah, you're wrong You're totally wrong So let's get into that Ryan McDonough deal Okay, so that By the way, which was a huge, huge deal on both sides

So you get Ryan McDonough, JT Miller The other way, New York gets a first-round pick in 2018, a conditional second next year, Vlad Nemestnikov, Lieber Hajek, and Brett Howden. Now, what do we know about those two prospects? Brett Howden is a first-round pick, and the Lieber guy is a second-round pick. And I'll be honest and just say that's all I know.

So you got a first, a second, and a first, and a second, basically. The Lightning are absolutely 100% going for it. They totally unloaded the whole cupboard. I get it, I get it. There's a couple teams that severely overpaid yesterday, and I'll defend the both of them in their logic in doing it. The other one's the Golden Knights, but we'll get to them. Yeah, Tampa didn't just unload their picks, they unloaded picks they already made. So they're completely going for it. First round picks, second round picks. But for a team like the Rangers, getting guys who are already like, what would those guys be, 20?

Or like by the time next season starts, they'd be about 20? Yeah. So that kind of speeds up your rebuild a little bit, doesn't it? You know, these guys might be ready a little sooner than you anticipated. So I think that's good for them. I'm just looking at NHLTradeTracker.com and everything the Rangers have done this month. It's a completely different team. Run through it.

Okay, so February 9th, they made a trade with Washington. Rangers got Hubert Labrie, who may or may not be made up. John Albert, made up. Capitals get Adam Chappell and Joe Whitney, made up. So I wasted time pretty much saying that trade. The first real deadline move, Rangers get rid of Nick Holden. In return, they get Rob O'Gara and a third-round pick. They trade Michael Grabner to the Devils.

They get Yegor Rykov and also a 2018 second-round pick. so they get a prospect and a pick in the rick nash deal that was uh the rick nash deal is pretty unbelievable that's ballsy if it pays off for the bruins i'll be the first one to be like congratulations but uh i don't know man uh ryan spooner matt boleski who is overpaid but will i mean probably be a ranger uh ryan lindgren a 2018 first and a 2019 seventh uh ryan grace for chris big grass that's just uh you know trading of two prospects big rest used to be a second round pick though what's interesting about that one is the fact that somebody i forget who was tweeting it yesterday but uh it was somebody's tweeted uh you know who's got more points five on five in the

last three years than rick nash thomas thomas and and and they're like and you know who's got more five on four points thomas and apparently he's got more ice time all situations yeah yeah Yeah, crazy. But then you go back three years ago and he scored 42. Yes. But, again, I feel like it was a reputation trade. A little bit. I think that hauls a little on reputation.

A little bit. Now, he could prove me wrong in the playoffs and be amazing, but he's got 15 career playoff goals in 77 games. You know, that's one of those things. Like, it's unfair. You look at his regular season body of work is so much larger than his playoff body of work. Yes.

But I don't see anyone calling Joel Ward a regular season bum. When the playoffs come around, he scores freaking goals. That's what teams pay him to do. And right now, the Bruins got Rick Nash to help him win a Stanley Cup. Can he help them do that? We'll see. When the Bruins are lifting the Stanley Cup above their heads in June, they'll be tweeting us these clips.

Great. I mean, it was a question. You don't have to ask the question, Stan. So the Tampa trade for New York in particular I thought was brilliant because they did something that I feel like a lot more rebuilding teams should do. So they get Vlad Nemestnikov, Lieber Hayjek, however you say his name, I know I butchered it, Brett Howden, 2018 first-round pick, a 2019 conditional second.

So if Tampa wins the Cup this year or next, that second turns into a first. Pretty nice. And I mean, if they win the Cup, though. That's the point. 31st pick. Yeah, and it's also the point. yeah that would be usually

that used to be a second round pick what do you mean oh a 31st overall pick yeah I know yeah the Leafs I think got Yagor Korshkov

a couple years ago at 31st and that was a second round pick at the time but now if we say first round pick Yagor Korshkov

or Igor Korshkov I was surprised to see his name by the way come up on boards like he's a prospect that they might deal or that he's a prospect

that people are interested in because I haven't heard anything about him That's just a name you throw out there. Oh, it's just a guy? I'm trying to think. Here's a warm body. He's got eyebrows and hair.

There was a Leafs draft pick who he was doing well in Russia, so he was on HF boards like every single draft scenario with the Leafs. Dmitry Vorobiev? Was that his name? I don't know. It doesn't matter. So they get rid of Ryan McDonough and JT Miller. Now, correct me if I'm wrong,

but don't both guys have a year left on their deal? I believe so. Dude. Like, more teams should be honest with themselves and do that. The Rangers knew they were heading for a rebuild. Get what you can get now. If all you get is picks, great. The picks will be a year older.

Right? You want to be better sooner or later? The Rangers decided sooner. And I think with what they've done in the last couple weeks, they're going to be better sooner than later. There's the big old Lundquist elephant in the room. Yeah, because they're not trading him, which, do you think, do you think if, let's say they're bad next year, I don't think they will be, there's still some talent on that team, but let's say they're bad next year, do you think that Henrik Lundqvist maybe changes his mind and goes, you know, I'm like a few thousand years older than the rest of this team? I don't think you can because it's $8.5 million until 2021.

You'd have to retain. He's got four years to change his mind. Well, I guess three years. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It'd be impossible to deal with that. It's like the Bobby Ryan deal. So they have a crazy amount of RFAs who they're going to have to pay.

Brady Shea is going to get a lot of money. Ryan Spooner they're going to have to pay. Kevin Hayes they're going to have to pay. Vlad Nemestnikov is going to be a very interesting one. He's an RFA with arbitration rights. But they're going to have some space, I think, with all the guys that they offloaded. They got all these picks so they can go young.

But you know what the underrated rumor was with the Bruins? I mean the Rangers, sorry, heading into yesterday was Ilya Kovalchuk's potential NHL comeback and the fact that he might want to join the Rangers. Interesting. I mean, it's old and busted up Ilya Kovalchuk, but it's still Ilya Kovalchuk. I don't think...

If I'm Ilya Kovalchuk and John Tavares is playing with the Islanders, that's where I'm going. If I want to be in New York... Nah. You don't want to play with John Tavares? Manhattan. A little different. You know?

No, I mean... Thank you, Jesse. He wants to... I mean, I think he wants to win, but he also wants to make money. I don't know. he's again he's another guy

who's got a lot of time to make up his mind but what I saw I'm trying to remember who tweeted it but all the Ilya Kovalchuk

rumors a year or two ago he was tied down to New Jersey they still held his rights and they were thinking about trading it now they don't have to do that he's just a UFA

I just realized I was wearing my glasses with the straw New Jersey should that's another New Jersey should have traded those rights

should have just taken whatever they could have got yeah I never understood that like don't that was an option? yeah last summer I had no idea

he won it back in last year yeah I remember we talked about it and then and then Jersey was like they apparently the asking price was like

through the roof and it's like we want a first round pick okay well no so yeah so just take what you can get and that's what

get a seventh for crying out loud get anything now they have nothing and that brings me or you know hold on to your pride that brings me to the

How many goals has your pride scored? Detroit Red Wings You mentioned the Detroit Red Wings For a couple reasons I know that they made a trade with the Vegas Golden Knights Thomas Tatar for a first A second next year And a third in 2021

And they robbed the Vegas Golden Knights I think so It sort of seems like they may have robbed the Vegas Golden Knights Well For a year and a half of Thomas Tatar No, isn't it more? I think it might be a full two years But that is a lot

That is a lot You know what Detroit did Was they Took advantage Of a perfect scenario Go ahead And look At

Oh wow He signed till 2021 They got him for a while Yeah they got him for a while Look at Vegas' pick situation It's a little Yeah you just brought it up It's a little sparse

This upcoming draft Yeah They got their No first Second No third No second No third

Pittsburgh and Vancouver's fourth Their own And Carolina's fifth The Leafs sixth And they're sixth And no seventh It's crazy that an expansion team Doesn't have their first round draft pick

In their first year I know But then look at next year They got their own first Two seconds Three thirds Three thirds The next year

Their own first They should make it four fourths Three seconds Yeah I know They should aim to make it four fourths And last year they drafted Three guys in the first round I think another two

In the second round And think of what Vegas paid To get these picks they robbed the Islanders blind just to take on the Grabowski deal. They robbed the Blue Jackets blind just to take on the

Clarkson deal and took William Carlson. They got picks for like Alexey Yamelin. They got picks for Trevor Van Riemzijk. They got picks for all these guys that they just like took for free and dealt. For free.

For free. Yeah. So So Detroit clearly wins this deal, but just because they clearly won and clearly fleeced Vegas doesn't mean that they fleeced Vegas at all. At all. These draft picks mean less to Vegas. They just do. What I think is kind of cool about it too

is you've got James Neal coming up and then you've got Marc-Andre Fleury coming up after 2019. And what's neat about that is the Vegas Golden Knights in their very first year went out and were buyers at the trade deadline. And it goes to show guys like that who you may want to keep around. I mean, James Neal's 30. I'm not sure if you want to sign him to a

six-year deal at that point. That's up to them. But he's always scored. James Neal is a lock for 20 goals every year. Consistent, yeah. At least 20, yeah. And it shows these guys that, hey, congratulations, you did a great job, and by the way, we're serious about this. And I think that's really cool.

Obviously, next year's going to be very interesting for the Vegas Golden Knights, because a lot of these guys are going to be gone. um i don't know that they're going to go and re-sign every single one of them but a lot of the younger guys are still going to be here and it's going to be important to know that they're the management and the ownership is behind them actually coming in and winning so they're not wasting their years here and i think that's cool and from the detroit end of things um wow i didn't realize how many picks they'd actually accumulated so in the riley

cheyenne deal with pittsburgh earlier in the year detroit got rid of a fifth but they acquired a third. And then when they got rid of Scott Wilson, who they got in that deal, they got a fifth for him. In the Mrazic deal, they got a fourth and a third. And then Tatar, first, second, and third. By the way, that's got to be the first 2021 draft pick

ever traded. Has to be, right? Yeah, I think so. I can't believe we're already getting into the 2020s. I mean, Pittsburgh dealt their 2020 second with Flurry, but... I kind of like that they're doing it just because it happens in junior all the time and there's no reason why you can't like why wouldn't you like it's an asset

that's interesting like i you can almost picture the conversation between mcphee and uh who's in detroit ken holland like hey we want three picks whoa that's nuts hey how about one three years down the line so the one thing as like a lease fan that made me feel good about detroit's deadline is yeah they accumulated all these picks but like they're not going to be good for a while they got picks not prospects yeah if they draft well

so first they have to draft well and then they have to develop well and then they gotta develop them and then it brings us to

Mike Green how weren't you able to get anything done well according to a tweet from LeBron they he has an injury

and that scared some teams off but then you're asking prices too high well and there's no trade list which apparently he didn't want to

come to Toronto well and it was funny did you see Lou Lamorello's press conference? Yeah, we're not interested. Ice. Ice. Well, I don't know that they were. I don't know if that means they were or they're pissed off at him or whatever. I don't know. I don't know if that was a... Do you think...

I don't think that was a vindictive comment. I don't think Lou needs to make that... No, but let's pretend it was for a sec. The subtext is Michael, give your head a shake. Yeah. Look at us. Look at the position you play and look at our need.

Look at us without you. We're fine. Come win a cup idiot and he didn't feel like it do you think they were actually interested I don't think he provides I don't think

he is exactly that like I think I've said this before I don't think he's exactly the type of defenseman that they need yeah he's a right-handed defenseman and they start short on

that but they want a penalty killer and Roman Polak is an elite penalty killer you heard Babcock say it yeah because if we had Mike Green tomorrow or tonight, I don't think he makes the lineup.

I don't think Babcock would put him in. I think he makes he's at least because you've got Hainsey, Zaitsev, I can see Hainsey, Zaitsev, Green on the right side. I think Babcock would play Polak. You think he likes Polak that much?

I don't know why you lose an asset to go get a guy who your coach probably doesn't like that much. Interesting. Well, I think that's probably why they didn't go after him, too. He probably was like,

I'm not going to play him. Like, there's no, there's no, really and truly, I think you're right, Jesse. You know how many analytics guys right now are screaming, Zaitsev!

Yeah. Well, I think Zaitsev's still hurt. I think he's playing hurt. Well, he's a penalty killer, too. Yeah, well, for sure. And I think the point, though, is that I think Jesse makes a good point. Mike Green in Toronto means that

Roman Polak's not playing the penalty kill, which means it's just Hainsey and Zaitsev. Until their limbs fall off. Yeah, so I think you're right. happening you know just put them out there put them on put Don Moore on defense yeah um no you know what I don't like that no I don't like that idea I don't like him so yeah I found it very interesting it's like kind of like whatever Washington or Tampa offered them you have to

think Washington offered something just take it so the other what is the deal with that why do teams like no that's our price we're gonna lose lose them in the offseason I would rather get nothing, then have somebody not pay my price. How many goals has your pride ever scored? Exactly. The Leafs did that. Was it with Grabner or Parenteau? Was it Parenteau that was injured a couple deadlines

ago? I think they might not have had that much interest in Parenteau. One of the two was injured. I think it was Grabner was injured. They couldn't find a seat for him. Parenteau had 20 goals. You're telling me you couldn't get a 7th for a guy that had 20 goals? Now, Devil's Advocate, so Doug McClain told a story

where he got a call from Brian Burke one trade deadline with 10 minutes left and he goes what do you want for Jeff Sanderson Doug McClain goes

third round pick Burke he goes done and McClain was so happy to unload 800 grand because his owner I guess was cheap

you know wanted to save some money but then I mean isn't the book out on you just wait him out wait him out wait him out

make him sweat and then okay now I get to fleece you yep Is that how it goes? I guess, I don't know, you're... What is it?

Cutting off your nose to spell your face? What's the saying? You would know, Adam. You're an ant. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's the right saying for this particular situation. Well, how do you use it, then? In a different context than this.

My brain is operating on safe mode right now, so I don't know. If an organization is cutting back on employees, at a certain point, you're cutting fat, and then you're cutting into meat and bone as they say. And if you're cutting into meat and bone you are cutting off your nose despite your face because you want your face to be intact but if you keep cutting

and cutting and cutting eventually you're going to have to cut your face too. That's the point. It's a very gross thing but that's basically. It's a very original Grimm Brothers graphic. Well it's how they it's how they used to describe the cuts in media so that's why I hear it a lot. Alright. Anyway.

The point here is that I don't know, okay fine, the book's out on you, but you're still, now you've hamstrung your team right this is the thing, you want your team to succeed, don't you, but is that 7th rounder really going to be

that's going to be the thing that fixes the rebuild I know, I know Adam I'm not saying I agree with it, and the thing is, trade to trade if that's the book out on you, just wait them out trade to trade, everything's different If Mike Green is a stellar all-star defenseman,

then it's still a first-round plus. But he's not anymore. So, you know, it doesn't really matter that, okay, fine, I sold a little lower than I wanted to on Mike Green. Welcome to trading, man. Like, that's just the way it is. And if Mike Green is a stud A-plus defenseman next year, which I don't think he will be, but he was in the past,

then he's worth the Brian McDonough package. Mike Green was good in, like, 2009. Yeah, didn't he have, like, 30 goals or something? It was crazy. But that was so long ago It was nearly 10 years ago Yes You should be getting

What you can From Mike Green That's the thing Certain players You don't sell low on Carlson Don't sell low on Carlson Mike Green

Expiring contract Yeah sure man That's absolutely insane Alright so I'm looking At his stats 08-09 In 68 games So he actually missed

Quite a few games He scored 31 goals As a defenseman Yeah 42 assists 73 points The next season In 75 games Only 19 goals

Oh, is that all? 76 points, though. That's unbelievable. But it's funny because... And then he fell off a cliff. Fell off a cliff? He scored 14 goals last year. 36 points.

Oh, okay. I'm looking at his games played, and it's 49, 32, 35. Oh, he had some real bad injury troubles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, it looks like he's gotten better. And he scored in the playoffs, too, it looks like. He's improved. Like, you know, two years ago, for example.

and also what are his underlying numbers oh I don't know the problem with Mike Green is that he's not a defensive defenseman and it's not like the Leafs want a defensive defenseman because you're talking about Adam Larson at that point but it's they needed a guy who can play defense

and they didn't get it and that's okay I don't think from a Leafs perspective that this is the year to go make those deals anyway I don't know that the team is good enough strong enough and I think it's also just a good test to let it go go kids go see what you can do so that's it's interesting you'd say that because i was i've been kind of wrestling with that um if this team is not good enough or strong enough

to go out and make that kind of deal why'd you get placanus well i think i think that there is a a beauty in keeping the group together and um not blowing your futures when you know that you've probably got a better chance next year and the year after. Steve, honestly, they needed a fourth-line center. They needed it. And they would have got it last year had they gotten Jordan Wheel, the guy they really

wanted. Who hasn't had the greatest season, by the way. A couple Flyers fans pointed that out to me. But that was the guy they really, really wanted. And this summer, one of the things that they're going to have to do, because it's been a dark hole vacuum for this team for two years now, is fix that position. So they put Putty

where they need to fully drywall the whole situation but that is something you could fix in the offseason which they did not fix last summer and they need to do and their minor league depth is poor at center yes at center yeah so well they got they got Alton in who would have been fine but he just got hurt they got Gauthier and they got like Adam Brooks who's playing like fourth line yeah he's which doesn't mean he's bad it just means he's developing right Bracco's on the fourth line too and he's great so the I think the The point here is, Steve, how do you not look at this team and go, yeah, we should go out and get them some help?

They've got 84 points. Philadelphia is the top of the Metro division right now with 78. They absolutely deserve the help. Absolutely. And what did you give up? A second-round pick and a couple prospects that would never make the team? Through 64 games, this is the greatest Leafs team of all time. literally in the history of the franchise.

No, we should trade JVR. That's amazing, eh? That's amazing. That's an incredible stat. Yeah, like, I was a little disheartened with how many people were saying we should trade JVR. Look what you would get for JVR. Of course you would get a lot for JVR,

but, like, you're good. Oh, yeah, but Tampa might be better. Yeah, they might be, but, like, the Stanley Cup is difficult to win. Listen, if you watch the game last night... There's never going to be a clear path. I don't think... I mean, we were missing Matthews.

They missed Tyler Johnson for, you know, half a period, and Kucherov's out. Kucherov, yeah. And they're two defensive... Yeah, McDonough and Miller, for sure. But I don't think that... I don't think that there's a whole lot... There's a lot of ands there.

Yeah, and, and, and. I think that... I think they're closer than people give us credit for. Way closer, sure. I think they are closer to Tampa Bay. Not that Tampa Bay is not far and away the best team in the conference, probably in the league.

They are. But I don't think the Leafs are that far away. So if you go and you make that big move now, okay, fine, then you got to go. Then you're putting extra pressure on yourself. To me, it's like, let the 21-year-old Austin Matthews-led Toronto Maple Leafs go in and have a test.

And I think Nick Kiprio said it perfectly. If they get to the second round, successful season. Yeah, I don't think Babcock looks at it that way. I don't think so either. And I don't think he can. He's not paid to. You're right.

But you have to look at, this is incremental, man. We're walking up some stairs. Remember, Tampa didn't make the playoffs last year and they didn't panic. Imagine the Leafs didn't make the playoffs this year. It would just be, it would be Edmonton. We'd be in Edmonton. I don't know how much the organization would be panicking, but the fan base would just be beside themselves.

Absolutely. We'd be beside ourselves. Now imagine in the middle. I scream so much more during Leafs games than I ever have. Like even in my childhood, the games just mean so much to me now. And look at Tampa going into last year. Playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, playoffs. all of a sudden

they don't make the playoffs weren't they coming off Leaf fans would be apoplectic it would be crazy two years removed from the Stanley Cup final something like that

and now they're going to go back and this team's better yeah this version of the Lightning is so much better to your point why do you go get them help because they need it

and because what Jesse said this is the best Leafs team at 65 games ever ever ever and yeah there's shootouts

in there whatever whatever but they're one of the best Leafs teams ever absolutely Which is crazy Points wise

If they are What their number one Ever right Jess Yeah In terms of wins Yeah They've never had 39 wins at this point

And they're gonna finish The season at least A solid two weeks Ahead of the Bruins Which I'm very excited for That's unbelievable 65 to 60 In terms of games

The Leafs second bye week Like they just all Go to Cuba or something Right before The freaking playoffs They all come back tanned It's How are the Leafs

Playing the second half Of a back to back tonight I know It's becoming a bit every time on the show We're like, has anyone caught up to the Leafs? Still no Still no It's not going to happen for a while

Tell me this How is Ryan Hartman worth a first round pick? Wow, that was confusing That was really confusing He scored 19 goals once What's the full deal? The full deal, I'll bring it up here Ryan Hartman's a 2013 first round pick

Late first round pick of the Blackhawks Yes, and he had a good season last year I believe it was last year Ryan Hartman in a fifth to the Predators for Victor Edgesell don't know who he is a 2018 first and a 2018 fourth

that's that's serious well Blackhawks fans you lasted one episode you're back on the hook the Penguins have not taken you off the hook it is still frustrating to see you get everything you want and more I hate you

oh no I haven't pleased the team in 24 hours oh no Oh and to think You're going to have to wait Until June To do it again Oh no Oh woe is the Blackhawks

More like Chicago And they somehow Managed to grab A fifth round pick Out of Boston too For Tommy Wingles Yeah which is Okay

That's fine By the way Any team Who went out And got a late round pick I'll just say Like two of the Leafs Top five prospects

Right now like Andreas Janssen I would say is one of their best Garrett Sparks is the best goalie in the minors so he'd probably be

one of their best both 7th round picks Conor Brown 6th round pick I mean you can go around the league and there's endless examples

you never know what that pick turns into it's kind of up to you that's the beauty so maybe your hey last minute

just trade this guy isn't such a good idea yeah maybe not because it could be Garrett Sparks you know it could be you know don't Doug McClain it

wow Hey, did you know that Kyle Vaughn, who is now in the Leafs system, has gone from Chicago to Montreal to Toronto in less than six months? And grandson of Bobby Vaughn. That's true. But he's not UC Okanen. That's right. Yeah, poor guy.

Weird deal. Hold on. Don't. No, we're not going there yet. Not going there yet. But how is Ryan Hartman worth a first, a fourth? I suppose because not only is he decent, but he's young. And he's cheap as well.

But he's an RFA, so you've got to re-sign him. Boy, a first-round pick. I don't know. Do you just hope that someone offers you something? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you look at the guys who were kind of overpaid for it, right? So Hartman, Tatar, even McDonough and JT Miller.

they all have term left beyond this season so like yeah you paid a first second and third for Tatar but it's for more than one season of Tatar you know what I mean it's for more than whatever it is a month of Tatar

for Hartman or you know a guy like Nemesnikov you know all restricted free agents you're getting an already a guy who can play you're getting an established NHL player who because of the CBA you have all the bargaining chips

and can keep around for a very long time. So I suppose that's why the value is so high. I'm still surprised. That's a lot. Like Blackhawks fans, you'll know better than me. But what is the what is the

chasm of difference between Ryan Hartman and Tommy Wingles? I want to know. Is Hartman a center? He's a left winger or something I think. Come on, you could have made a fifth But again you take advantage of the desperate teams the Preds are going for it. He's a right winger. Right winger Just like kind of two kind of slug fest going on right now, you know, the Metro is is fairly even the Pacific

I mean you got Vegas and Everybody else just cooling on the beach But you get the three-headed monster. Vegas, 87 points, their next closest competitor. San Jose was 75. It's stupid. That's insane.

It's offensive. That's rude. Wow. So you get the three-headed monster in the Atlantic. Or even if you argue it's just Tampa-Boston, okay, fine. It's still a hell of a match. I wouldn't argue that. I think it's three-headed.

Yeah, I wouldn't argue that. I wouldn't want to play any of those teams. At least we're ahead of Boston like two seconds ago. And are right now. Oh, and they still are? Oh, yeah, because Boston hasn't got a point since. It's because Boston hasn't played enough. Well, of course, but hey, you're not ahead until you're ahead.

You've got to pay something to get something. But then there's Nashville and Winnipeg. I think that's a huge slugfest, too, and they both spent a lot at the deadline to get better. But I would much rather have Stasny than Hartman, to be honest with you, at this point. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know if Nashville really needs centers either.

But again, you're probably getting a better player in Stasny, but he's more expensive and gone not necessarily maybe well he'll be more expensive

probably regardless he might like playing with Patrick Laine I'm just throwing that out there on the third line on the third line

on the third line Jesse go ahead buddy I have the strength of season schedule for the remainder of this NHL season yeah so who's this from

so I got it from the SN stats department in like an email oh well hell so those guys are so smart

they are incredible You want to hear the top five teams with the most difficult schedule for the rest of the season. Most difficult for the rest of the season. Who is it? New Jersey, one. Dallas, Montreal, Chicago, Philly. Oh, that sucks for Philly.

Their opponents are a 588, a 585, 579, 578, and a 573. So that's just based off of how good their opponents for the rest of the season are. it doesn't account for things like travel or days off. These are just the opponent's win percentage. Interesting, because I saw the Leafs out of Tampa and Boston had the easiest, but also the most days off. Oh, out of Tampa and Boston. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, okay. So they had the easiest out of the three, and they had the most days off, which I thought was very neat. Do you know what team is in 31st place, so they have the easiest schedule for the rest of the season? it's going to be somebody unfair stupid Pittsburgh

Vegas oh maybe Adam Wilde oh my god are you serious the Vegas Golden Knights for the rest of the season have opponents

that will average out at 532 so they have the easiest schedule for the rest of the season when am I allowed to join in with the

party poopers on Twitter and be bitter about the Vegas Golden Knights. Don't be bitter. Why be bitter about this? Enjoy this. I'm starting to get it. You're getting less cute by the day.

I'm not on it. Is it the Twitter account, guys? Is it the Twitter account? No, no, no. It's because they were a napkin this time last year. And they got to build... They were literally nothing. He's not wrong.

They were a napkin. And then they got to build this team with unlimited salary cap space and just pick and choose and then now they're in first. And it's not cute anymore. No.

No. They're the behemoth. It's not cute. They're Goliath. Yeah. I, yeah, sorry,

I'm not, I'm not gonna cheer for the underdog who's in first place. Or, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, second.

They're making a movie about this. They're making a movie about this. If they win. If they keep going, they're making a movie They need a win

for the movie to come out. And we're gonna be, there's gonna be like a very brief cameo of a cantankerous podcast going, but they don't deserve it. I think they totally deserve it. The rest of the bottom is Calgary, 30th.

They're going to face a 537. Oh, so they're lucky. Yes, that's it. And then 29th is the Leafs. 28th is the Lightning. 27th, Florida. And 26th, Canucks. So the Leafs have an easier time than the Lightning,

but the Lightning still have a very easy time. Yes, yes. Although, I mean, again, it doesn't weigh in certain factors. they already don't have Palat they might be without Johnson although he returned to the game and we're still waiting on an update for Kutra

it's funny I'm used to just looking at my phone because it's usually right around noon and we get up we actually do get like a flood of news

before we start recording it is quarter after nine I'm going to read to you the most powerful tweet the most powerful tweet from the trade deadline yesterday interesting

okay ready they didn't even use all 280 characters this is how powerful this tweet was Powerful tweets are short, they're to the point, not a wasted word, not a wasted syllable, and this one just knocked it out of the park.

Vancouver is currently in the bottom four for the third consecutive year. They have not acquired a single draft pick other than their own for the next three entry drafts. Who is that, Boxford? Drag Like Pole. Oh. Home run tweet. That sucks. Scott Wheeler was really going to bat for the Canucks because they got, what was the trade?

They got rid of Tyler Mott Yeah Vanek for Tyler Mott And then they got Brendan Leipzig Oh and Yussi Okunin Yeah They got Yussi Okunin

I did not understand that The Leipzig deal is weird Yeah They need a warm body No I like the Leipzig deal For them I like it

I mean it's It's not much of a deal It's funny that Philip Holm I'm funny It's weird that they just Made that deal I mean I think Leipzig's

Going to get more of a chance To play in Vancouver But Philip Holm Was the guy that was Touted above Borgman and Rosen last year. Was he? He was the Swedish defenseman

that the Leafs lost out on. Yeah, but that guy's... He's 26. And did he crack the NHL this year? Did he crack the Canucks? One game. Come on. Like, no, I think the Canucks

clearly win that deal. It's just how big of a win is it? I mean, we get to see Leipzig. I was bummed to see him go. Hasn't really panned out in Vegas, but maybe he's got to play a different role. He also wouldn't... He wouldn't have made the Leafs.

So, like, it's just... He wouldn't have made it. No, but I think he'll get the opportunity in Vancouver. He'll get the opportunity in Vancouver we thought he was going to get in Vegas, which is to play a lot. But getting rid of Vanek for Mott and Jokinen is confusing. I was surprised they didn't get a pick. But also, what'd you get Jokinen for?

Probably just Columbus wanted them to take two contracts or a salary thing. And why didn't you flip him? You couldn't have flipped him? I guess he's been put on waivers too many times yeah what's the market value on Yusi Okunin get a conditional 7th you couldn't play with the Oilers man

there's gotta be a conditional 7th out there and if you get nothing for him the condition is he resigns if you get nothing alright well it still looks better that you even got the conditional pick

as well as Tyler Mott so Scott Wheeler was really going to bat for the Canucks, saying Tyler Mott is actually not that bad of a prospect. The issue I have with Mott is he's in not that much of a prospect anymore territory. Because he's 22. I saw a lot of people go, well, he's 22!

Dude, he's going to be 23 next month. And things move quickly in the NHL. That becomes what-the-hell-are-you territory. Right. I mean, I would say Brendan Leipzig is pretty close to what-the-hell-are-you territory, or I'd say he's right smack dab in the middle of what-the-hell-are-you territory.

And both guys might impress with the Canucks for the rest of the season. So, never know. Never know. But the fact remains... They should have got picks. Eric Branson

could have got you a second round pick. And then you could have signed him. Instead, he got you a character, though. You could have. You did.

It's true. You know, Adam... They could have signed him in the offseason. They could have signed him on July 1st. Why didn't they do it? No, they got a character, though.

And mustache. Do you know how much that costs? By the way, okay, so you just brought something up. they could have re-signed him on July 1st

if they liked him so much Patrick Maroon going to New Jersey and then going I'd like to re-sign with Edmonton in the offseason if you're not

someone with the Devils do you not go hey Patrick maybe shut the hell up no and then he had to backtrack and be like no I'm really happy

to play here for the rest of the season I think he will be a lot happier once he starts playing there no no on second thought no this is pretty good

like I don't know he was just being nice he maybe just misspoke Kenny was just being nice. Thomas Buchanick said the same thing. What? My home is Montreal. My family's staying in Montreal.

Like, we know. It's okay. Oh, a guy who's been there for 40 years likes it? Weird. Wow. It's 45. I saw people getting all upset about the fact that the Leafs made him shave his goatee, too. And I think people are missing the point

with the whole face shaving thing and the short hair thing. It's not, they don't do it so it's a power trip they do it and this is going to sound ridiculous but i don't think you i want you to take me seriously on this and i won't explain this properly i am i am working with there is a prevailing thought and it's a little bit old school okay that if you and your everybody on the team has to have this uniform you got to wear a tie you got to wear a suit you got to have a nice haircut that you can set your watch to you got to have no facial hair that there's a bit of a

a bond to that and the point it's the reverse playoff beard yeah you all have to do it yeah that's the camaraderie of it

yes that's the whole thing with the playoff beard this is the same thing just the reverse totally so

I don't think they do it because yeah that light's dead I don't think I'm glad that you took a moment though to check I didn't

say it for everyone listening one of our lights just went out Steve's never heard on with the show before wait should we stop we might need that light

I think we should pause to talk about Otar if you look at it from that perspective it isn't that bad it's not like you know old man says

you must do this and you know and nobody wants to do it okay so they can't have a goatee for the season not even the season yeah really like big freaking deal

he can't have it for 82 games five or six weeks oh yeah him and then he can grow it back in the playoffs Yeah, exactly. And no one will care. I saw Tyler Tello going, you know, oh, I would love to see them do like a, like a, like a grievance or something with that. Like you couldn't, basically saying, yeah, basically say, well, no, his point, I understood what he was saying was like, there's no way they could actually enforce this. Like they can't make you shave, but you know, that just seems like a real unnecessary career shortening move. yeah to pull off well and look what the Yankees do it the exact same thing they make you cut your

hair they make you shave your face you are if you're a New York Yankee that is that's your uniform man and I get the impression Lou is not totally unreasonable oh of course because you know what I've you know who's had a lot of stubble this season like more than just a day stubble Austin Matthews you know why he's gotten away with it he's Austin Matthews you maybe ride Connor Carrick a little bit. Hey, aren't you trying to make the lineup? Shave your frickin' face, Austin. Hey, lookin' good.

Fun fact about the Yankees. Last year, the MLB did Players Weekend, so they had all their specialty jerseys. And that was the first time in the history of the franchise that they had names on the backs of the jerseys. Oh yeah, that's right.

They're like, it's about the front. You get your number on it, but it's about the front. Your name's not going on the jersey so is that going to be a regular season thing are they going to start wearing names no it was just for that special weekend

where they had so they've never had that eh they've never had names on the back that's interesting you know a couple teams yeah I don't know if there's other

teams you know why like their home uniforms do you know why they never put the names on the back of jerseys originally no couple reasons money I assume one

because they reuse them oh yeah and two because yeah oh yeah because yeah like Johnny Bauer will tell stories or used to tell stories about how he had to

give his jersey back at the end of the season Sprague McClaggan dying of dysentery you're our new left winger they also would make you

it would make you buy a program so you knew the names of the players oh right so if I have 10 cents a program here so then you can

name the player who scored have you guys ever purchased a program at a game I used to when I was a kid and I used to collect them but now I don't

I don't even think they sell them anymore you used to okay my mom used to buy them they were 5 bucks too that was a lot back in the day you know what i used to get uh sometimes uh when it came to like games like that i would maybe ask for a program and one of my parents i think they took turns

they'd be like yeah uh that that's what you want i'd get that because then they'd say something like wouldn't you rather have french fries instead and i'd be like oh food yeah they were smart they were smart yeah they would be it is because they know you're gonna take it home and it's just going to waste space. It's going to be in the garbage in a couple weeks. I didn't realize

I was making a terrible trade. They were going to feed me anyway and their child but I gave away a program. I might be wrong

but I don't think the Leafs sell programs anymore. I think they do. Do they? Yeah. I think they do. I couldn't tell you

where or what they look like but I'm almost positive they do. And if they don't they make enough money. Well yeah if you've got

the Maple Leafs app it tells you pretty much anything a program can. It's not something you can hold at them. True. True.

You can't hang your app in your bedroom. That reminds me, I've got to go out and get a DVD for this. Have you ever been to a baseball game with guys who fill out

the lineup cards in their programs? Taking score? Yeah. Yeah, the old guys? Okay, Jesse, you're a huge baseball guy. Is that stupid?

Yes. Yeah, okay, good. Why do that? It's part of the game. No, it's not. Like, back in the day, it was part of the activity of going to the ballpark

and you fill out the scorecard along with it. Nerds. Nerds. And then you collect them and you have them all there for the season. Baseball is the ultimate nerd game. I will actually pull a hashtag

watch the games on you. Because you're constantly looking down. They're the ones who are watching the games more than anybody. They're there taking the score of the game. But wouldn't you just get... It's available later online. If you really want to look

it up, it's available later. But it didn't used to be. Put down the sheet, Frank. Yeah, but tell that to 1942, Frank. You're right. Odie. The average audience at a baseball game. I love baseball.

I remember when there were no nets. Iran Madri required reconstructive facial surgery after taking a foul ball to the neck. But those were the days. Another team that... Grandpa, that was in the 90s. I know. Another team that people are... The fan base is very upset.

is Buffalo and Evander Kane was sold for a conditional first in 2019 and a conditional fourth in 2020 and Daniel O'Regan so what was the condition on the fourth because I never found that out I don't know okay the condition on the first was it's not a first oh that is essentially it why right so the condition is if he re-signs in San Jose but San Jose said basically immediately Oh, it's a second-rounder. We're now re-signing him. So it's a second-round pick. Today I learned Evander Kane has a lower value in the NHL than Ryan Hartman.

That's insane. Now, add in all the factors that I mentioned previously, but that is surprising because he's been good. Yeah. He's been very good. He's a 20-goal guy every year. Like two guys on the Sabres score, and he's one of them. Yeah.

So that was pretty surprising. And it was interesting to see Jason Botterill's comments because they... You having fun, Jason? Oh, breaking news, guys. Senators agree to terms with Eric Carlson on a seven-year contract extension. No, Adam. No, Adam. Click the link.

No, it's from the Senators. Look at the year. Oh, 2012. You bastard. Sam George, you're a bastard. I was like, wait a second. What? You're such a bastard.

I got duped yesterday, too. There was a tweet. And again, from the Senators, it was like, we have a trade to announce. And I was just like, oh, watch. It's going to be like a promotional tweet. Like, I thought it was going to be like, trade in your $5 for two RV sandwiches. Or something like that. I thought it was 925 AM.

I don't think, the day after trade deadline. Well, I mean, since we're going to talk about it, did you see Pierre Dorian's press conference after the trade deadline? He was a little hot and bothered. He's good friends with Eric Carlson. Did you know that? They're super close. He said everything.

He might as well have been like, I am good friends with Eric Carlson, you son of a bitch. Do you hear me? I'm Peter Dorian. You see this necklace? It is my BFF necklace. Eric has the other half.

Do you understand? Why was he so hot and bothered? Why? Because it's been probably the worst week of, worst month of his professional life season. But whose fault is that? Oh, not his, but he's still got to deal with it. And partly his, and not the media's fault.

Yeah, but no, he was addressing rumors. So when he started saying rumors that were really, really stupid, I thought, oh, he's for sure talking about the $350 Uber ride. Yeah, that was probably pretty stupid. Probably fake. But the one he seemed to be alluding to the more I listened to him talk was the music story where he went to talk to the Sens team and they just kept blaring the music and ignoring them.

None of those things need to be true in order for the Sens to be a catastrophe. So I don't know why we hammed it up so much, but let me ask you something because I was wondering this to myself. Is there a situation where Eric Carlson isn't traded and stays a Sen for the rest of his career? Yes.

yeah what's that it's very possible they start off next season kind of hot and he's still on the team and they're in a playoff spot

come December see I think they re-sign him here's what's going to happen they're going to fire the head coach head coach is gone they're going to find a new head coach Ibu Shea's probably gone

but I think I wonder if Carlson stays there if Melnick's gone because he does seem to like it there of course can you imagine

if they get Dolan like I think I kind of think he'd be dumb to leave to be honest but again this is a player who wants to get paid on a team that cannot pay well right now they can't pay right now that is that is a key difference they are an attractive franchise if that labretton flats deal gets signed then all of a sudden i think the value of the franchise is

up there's no reason ottawa should fail well with uh with a arena where it should be there's no reason that ottawa should fail i've had people tell me like oh it's not the biggest metro area and it's not the biggest city and it would still be one of the smaller cities in the nhl dude look at winnipeg ottawa's bigger than winnipeg and i think it's got a bigger surrounding area too like and it's canada the problem is ottawa it's the corral center is in the middle of nowhere and we know that that was called canadian tire center okay it was the corral center wasn't it i don't know canadian tire arena was an nhl arena i just forget where i think it was in ottawa anyway it's in canada it was it was at one point in the middle of a farmer's field they have since built

up some hotels around it i was in line waiting to get into the parking lot and i thought i was lost that's how remote it used to be it's not that bad anymore that was like 2011 or 2012 yeah but uh it's it's not ideal so does a downtown arena and some good players make eric allison stay there for the next seven years i think i think eugene selling eugene selling too yeah i like well i mean he's a great businessman always sell as low as you possibly can always well okay if you're a potential buyer what's worth more to eric carlson on the team or off if i'm a potential buyer you don't trade eric carlson i think okay if let's say they're selling the team the sends did everything they should have done they kept their biggest asset and also offloaded a ton of money

and they didn't get rid of Bobby Ryan to do it. So there was a very interesting thing that I just hadn't considered as part of the deadline coverage. Darren Millard was going through all the money or the cap hit that a team taking on Bobby Ryan would have to absorb because he makes like 7 million

and Kiprios very quickly interjected that actually the cap hit would be 1.8 million or something like that. Because the plan would be to buy him out, which I hadn't thought of because buyouts are kind of rare these days, right? Oh, wow. Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. And who could afford to do that more than Vegas?

They can afford it. It's interesting. But, no, it's easy to point at the Sens and laugh, but they have options left. They didn't get a deal they liked. keeping Carlson I think is actually probably still

the best scenario but there are problems above Carlson and above Dorian that need to be addressed first if they're able to sell the team between now

and June I don't I'm tempted to say you shouldn't trade him as Eric Engel said what are you going to do about Eugene Melnick if you're Gary Bevan

what are you going to do about it you got to do something about it you got to do something and you know there's an unsung hero in all this

A guy who may have prevented An Eric Carlson trade yesterday Brian5er6 On Twitter Have you ever seen Yeah he follows us, he listens to the show I didn't know that, that's the best rant ever Best rant ever

Bobby goddamn or He lost his mind Lost his mind, no jump cuts needed Should we play that? Should we set up the computer and play that? Everybody's seen it right? In the next two years Follow Brian5 or 6 on Twitter

In the next two years In the first three rounds How many picks do the Senators have? That's a good question Well they don't have their pick next year Right In the first three rounds How many picks do they have over the next two years?

I'm going to just say six They've got one for each round They have three What? Because they don't have a second round pick this year They don't have a third round pick this year and then they got Pittsburgh's third

next year they got their own second and then they're going to lose either their first this year or first next year

so they have three picks in the next two years in the first three rounds it's not good by the way

are you telling me you couldn't get a conditional seventh for Johnny O do you? no I don't think you could have because

so when the Flyers got him the Flyers did the Sens a huge solid because did you see how bonus laden his contract was?

no they could be on the hook for as much as a million dollars in bonuses like there's a stupid like games played bonus where if he plays 65 and I think he only has like 11 more games to play and then they owe him $250,000 for that

and there was another $250,000 bonus and there was another one and another one so losing Oduya for nothing is as good as a pick for the Sens for the Sens specifically for most other teams no it's kind of dumb and then

I don't think they lost O'Brien no one claimed O'Brien and I don't think anyone claimed Burroughs either did they so you gotta hope

if you're the Sens that by next trade deadline you're offloading Duchesne for big picks in that draft I don't because it deals up after this year

or after this coming year the NHL is such a silly league that the Sens are gonna win the draft lottery they're gonna get freaking Dolan

their defense is gonna look better instantly. Maybe Carlson re-signs. Maybe Carlson does him a huge solid and re-signs

in the summer. All of a sudden they're a more attractive free agent destination. They make one good trade and they're right back

there. No, sorry man. I'm just trying to be optimistic. They're so far away from that. They don't have in their system.

What do they have? Trying to think. Well, they emptied it out a little bit. Exactly. Who do they have in Belleville.

It's sparse. That's, yeah. And then slam their NHL lineup. Dolan is not going to change this. No way. Unless they go on some sort of run with Craig Anderson. But let's not pretend

that they're going to be deep or that they've got some big studs coming up. They don't. I wonder what, I wonder if they showcase, or not showcase, I wonder if they give a shot

to more of their Belleville prospects just to see what they have. Because I wrote a feature on this guy named Ethan Warrick earlier in the season. He was a former second-round pick, but that was years ago. Signs an AHL tryout with the Belleville Sens. I think he got released.

And then they sign him to an actual AHL deal. Joins the team, and he's their top scorer, despite having played far fewer games than everyone else. He was still their top scorer for the longest time, and then he's been a healthy scratch for the last little bit because he's getting the Matt Fratton treatment, where even if he's still a decent player on the team, he's not an actual prospect.

Just signed to an AHL deal. So I don't know what's going on with the Sens prospects there. That is interesting. Yeah, maybe they are further away. There they are. Yeah, what facilitated the Leafs rebuild is they got rid of everybody, but the Marlies were good. And they'd also been bad.

They got rid of everybody and they were bad. So they had drafted Nylander and then they had drafted Marner and then all of a sudden they win the draft lottery. And remember, they had drafted quite well. That 2015-2016 draft was an unbelievable draft for them. So good. Second, third, fourth, fifth round, all great picks. Marner has been absolutely unbelievable.

Exactly. And that's the thing is that you've got, and that Marner, those Marner-Nielander years, really those two years set them up. Set them up for what they are now. 2014, they got Renat Valiev, who helped get you Thomas Vikanis. Yeah.

so I think you know you have to with Ottawa they have to they must continue to sell Duchesne's gotta go

Hoffman's gotta go maybe hang on to Stone but like get get the guys in July or at the draft

get some of these picks back still the most fascinating team out there yeah for sure who has

a whose future right now looks more bleak the Ottawa Senators or the Montreal Canadians? The Arizona Coyotes.

That's the correct answer. The Senators. The Canadians have the money. They have the desire. They have stable ownership. Just that alone. Stable ownership. Maybe not the brightest, but stable.

I think they have the second most cap space going into July 1st this year, as projected right now. Well, there you go. We have an answer. You're right. Tavares. they did basically nothing. They got, they got some,

they made a few really good spare part deals. Like, it's pretty good that they got something for Joe Morrow and I think there were

a couple other deals I'm trying to think of. That seems to be what Bergevin specializes in is spare part deals. Yeah, basically. But,

and trading big names. I'm surprised you weren't able to get something big for Pacioretty at this deadline. They might trade him at the draft.

It sounds like Pacioretty really loves these trade rumors, and I'm sure he's super stoked that he gets to keep getting asked about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the impression I got, for sure. But the Habs, who are a

rebuilding team, didn't really seem to do much of substance. What could they do? What are they going to sell, other than patch? There's the constant Galchenyuk rumors, and the guy's still a Hab. He's their... Nah, I was about to say he's their cadre, but he's such a much worse

version of that. he's their Kadri in the sense of you know it is a miracle that Kadri stole a leaf considering everything but no I think Gauch's ride has been a bit bumpier than Nas's yeah so yeah it'll be interesting

to see what happens I think I don't think Montreal's future is all that bleak with 20 million dollars in cap space the ability to spend it and the fact that they're in the draft lottery and they still have Carey Price and Shea Weber like this is not they need a centerman Have we talked about

the Placanets deal since it happened on the show? I think so. Oh yeah, we did. We did, we did. I think, and Placanets will probably go back,

so what does it matter? I think they're fine. I just don't think they're going to be great next year, unless Carey Price plays out of his mind. No.

Very small note there is with Joe Morrow getting traded, I think Valiev should probably get a shot in their lineup. Yeah, which is great. I think he should get a shot.

Habs fans, you're going to like him. I mean, he's not going to blow you away, but you'll like them. There you go. Yeah. And that's it.

All right, well, goodbye. Well, we got to do the press conference. No, I know, I'm joking. I also had, if I can find it here, what the Stanley Cup winning team did on trade deadline day for the last couple of years. Oh, let's hear it. So what did the Penguins do?

Exactly. You should have to give me a moment if you want to fill. Oh, never mind, I got it. Okay. What were you going to fill with? No, no, this is going to lead to an uncomfortable conversation, and I'm looking forward to it. What's the uncomfortable conversation?

You'll see. Okay. So in 2017, Stanley Cup winner, the Penguins, they got Mark Streit, Frank Corrado, and Ron Hainsey a week earlier than the deadline. That's right. The Hainsey deal was the big one. Yeah, that's your big fish.

2016, Penguins. They added Justin Schultz two days before the deadline. For a third-round pick. They got Carl Hagelin in January, and then on deadline day, they got Dustin Jeffrey, James Malindi, and Conditional Seventh. Well, and Hagelin is a decently significant part of that team, but that wasn't a buy at all. If I remember the deal correctly, the Penguins weren't in the greatest position, and they traded David Perron for him. So that was the definition of a hockey trade. And they got Dan O'Donohue.

who they wouldn't have won the Cup without 2015 the Blackhawks they got Andrew Desjardins and then they added

Antoine Vermette four days before the deadline and that was the big fish the first round plus for Antoine Vermette

the Kings in 2014 they got James Livingston Marion Gabrick Braden McNabb and Jonathan Parker did they get

Gabrick at the deadline though they did that was the deadline day ad oh But it was a long-term deadline to add, right?

Because he was locked up. And then the Blackhawks in 2013 got Maxim Sov. Oh, Sovay, I think. Sovay? Sov? Oh, is it Sov? No, I'm just saying that sounds better.

So they got Cabernet Sauvignon. And they got Hanzus two days before the deadline. They got their old guy. So. trading at the deadline doesn't really win you a cup if you land the big fish. So here's a,

unless the big fish is Antoine Vermette, spare parts at the deadline wins you cups even if you get the big fish as long as the big fish is a spare part, which Antoine Vermette absolutely was for the Blackhawks. He was their third line center.

Which brings me to what Tampa did. I was talking to someone yesterday and I go am I wrong for thinking Tampa Bay is not actually that much better after this deal and they responded very matter of factly yes you are wrong

but yeah it moves everybody down the lineup but I just something about the deal makes me go okay JT Miller Vlad Nemestnikov

interchangeable let's call it a wash let's even say Miller is a little bit better to improve marginally there McDonough's an improvement for sure but the way I look at it and this is a dumb way of looking at it

I know, I don't care, shut up, listen to me so he's what, your second pair left D now? or something like that? he's behind Hedman on the left side So he's going to, how much better is McDonough than Sergachev, right? And then how much better is Sergachev than Coburn,

who I think might get pushed out of the lineup? Like, I don't know what the lineup is going to be with McDonough. Basically, what I'm trying to say is McDonough needs to be X amount better than the guy he's pushing down. So, like, we always look at it as, Why isn't McDonough really good, though? He is really good, but we always look at it as, okay, see how good the Lightning are?

They're now Ryan McDonough better. It doesn't quite work like that. Because there's still the fact that he's replacing an already good player. So they improved. I'm not debating that at all, but I'm a little bit skeptical of exactly how much they improved. Yeah, because you're going, Edmund

McDonough Sergachev so having Sergachev as your third pairing D yeah which is a lot more ideal over Coburn

is a improvement correct it is an improvement where's Girardi in all this on the right side second pairing

still and Schuster he might be bumped down Schuster would be your third pairing right and Strahlman up at the top

well so you're either scratching Schuster or Coburn yeah do you switch Coburn over to the right side I don't know. I don't know.

They're definitely better. Okay, don't give me that look. They're definitely better. And the trade is actually perfect for Tampa because their window is definitively this year and next. And then they have to pay Kucherov. They got to pay Kucherov. McDonough's contract's up.

Miller's contract's up. Yeah. But you can't add a player unless it's for a pick. No, not even if it's for a pick. You can't just add a player and be like, we are now Ryan McDonough better. You know what I mean? Does that make any sense at all? Well, if you're kicking someone who's already good out of the lineup,

I guess I can see where you're going. I'm wording it just shitty. Just so bad. I see what you're saying is that if Ryan McDonough was, if you're replacing a player that doesn't belong in the lineup and they're just using his filler, I see what you're saying. It's like, well, you're not. They're already pretty good.

If you replace, like, Roman Polak with Ryan McDonough. That's a big improvement. Cool. Yeah, I get that. I think, in this particular case, as we saw last night, takes one weird play with the ref in the wrong place, and you've sprained your ankle, and it's a high ankle sprain, and you can't play for two weeks.

And then you have Ryan McDonough. Look, they're better. I'm not saying they're not better. And everyone is looking at them like, how do you stop them? Well, how do you stop them? You do. It's the NHL. Like, you don't scare me.

There's no Golden State Warriors of a couple years ago in the NHL, and there never will be. The Caps looked like that last year. Guess what happened to them? You know, I look at Tampa, and they're the favorite to win. they became more of a favorite yesterday but I see

a beatable team actually the Golden State Warriors that broke the record I think also lost but whatever they lost in the finals to LeBron

to the greatest player of all time yeah unquestionable what a shame this is terrible yeah so there you go

okay anyway it's very very interesting let's do the press conference go to bed man what do the leafs do with more now oh dominic um that's from mune splash mune oh yes totally i i ate one of those in amsterdam along with the stroopwafel um you have them yeah like i saw a bunch of people being like oh maybe you can flip more now no no No, you, again, your center depth is poor.

And if someone gets hurt, let's say Placanus gets hurt, you're right back where you started. You're right back where you were a day before the deadline. Or Matthews gets hurt. Matthews, then you have the lineup that you had last night against Tampa. That you almost won. That you almost won and you won the game before against Boston. And outplayed them.

What if, what if, what if? Yeah, it's good to have at least one spare guy, man. and then you're not putting you know, let's assume the Leafs are fully healthy then you're not putting Nylander in this position or Marleau in this position I don't know, maybe you are Babcock has

needed a center and not used more before but no, what's wrong with center depth? Stop being allergic to it Especially at the 3-4 position like it's, you know you're talking about, like Placan is for sure an upgrade but it doesn't mean Dominic Moore is a bad

player or has played poorly because he hasn't another unlikely to rear its ugly head scenario for the Leafs especially because they've played so many damn games is the uh roster limit was set so the Leafs had to send guys down to a have qualify them for the playoffs qualify them for the AHL playoffs and meet the roster limit you only get four call-ups so they sent Kapanen down and Dermott down and then called them both back up immediately so it was paper transactions so for the rest of the season the Leafs can only call up two guys

well they've already played most of it what do they have left they've got like 14-15 games tonight is game 66 so hopefully they don't suffer

like half a dozen injuries over the next what do they got left 16 games they don't have emergency call-ups you can't circumvent that you can't ice a team

I was about to say no you must be able to do that but I'm just picturing Lou chuckling yeah I think they're okay Yeah, I think it's easier with a goalie. You can just go, well, we're screwed. But, no.

I mean, they still got Martin. They got Moore. They got Levo. Are you surprised Martin stole a leaf? No, I think they're going to move him in the offseason. Yeah, they have time. I don't think that anybody could take his money right now. And I think the whole point with the Leafs is they want to move the money.

Yeah. There was a market for Ryan Reeves. Like, you could move Matt Martin. For sure. Absolutely, you could. Yeah. It's a lot of money, but you can move. Probably back to the island.

He'd be worth retaining on, not half, but maybe half. That's just a couple years. Depends what you get. Jesse, second question. Did Delta throw shade at the U.S. Olympic curling team? I've seen this story. It's the best. What?

So the U.S. Olympic curling team, after they won gold, they tweeted at Delta, Our Olympic curling champions are flying home on Monday. Upgrades? Hashtag gold medalists. And then they tag the two guys who won. And then Delta replied. Hi there.

Congratulations, gold medal champions. We are honored to be your ride back home. While we don't have any upgrades to offer, we look forward to seeing you on board. Thanks for flying with us. So, wow. What an idiot. Whoever ran that account or made that decision.

That was AJ. AJL. You want a stupid amount. Wait, how do you know that? He tagged him. He liked it. AJL for Delta. Really dumb.

I don't know if the community manager makes that kind of financial decision, but dude, you want to get all the goodwill in the world for nothing to you? Nothing? Just give it to him. And now you get negative will. What was the last time we discussed Delta Airlines on this podcast? Well guess what there's a first time for everything and we're talking about them being idiots Good job. So yes is the answer

No, they weren't This was somebody more important they're like yeah, it was Sean Murray Is Sean Murray? Who's Sean Murray? Sean White. Sean White. We grew up with a guy named Sean Murray who also had red hair And we always used to compare him to Sean Murray. Yeah, we did. Yeah, anyway, sorry if it's Lindsay Vaughn Sean White one of those guys yeah maybe

maybe well I want to read something to you from a Canadian that you guys I can almost guarantee have not seen yet don't look at this

Sebastian Touton who won a gold medal for Canada in snowboarding two days ago I won a gold medal for Canada and today I'm flying

in row 57A on Air Canada flight what a great Olympic partner downvote Hashtag sarcasm See, he's not wrong But that's a dick thing to say

Did you see his follow up? No, he did apologize So he was pleading Air Canada No, you guys are great, I love you I'm so sorry Because I think someone sent him a note Being like, hey, Air Canada Is one of the biggest Olympic sponsors

In this entire country You can't say that If you want to go to the Olympics again, sir Wow that's really dumb Yeah that was a real dumb tweet I need to apologize for my tweet I could blame the lack of sleep over the last few days Or other factors but it wasn't a good luck

I fly Air Canada all the time And they're an awesome airline It's also awesome they support Canada And the Olympics Click his thing how many followers does this guy got 66,000 He fucked up He fucked up hard

Yeah he fucked up hard So I've worked with companies at the Olympics, the restrictions they have on things are unbelievable. We did an interview with Alex Bilodeau, who won gold for moguls in Vancouver, and he also won it in Sochi, too, I think.

And he was a Nike guy, Nike athlete, paid by Nike. We did an interview for Nike. Guess what he wore during the shoot? Hudson Bay. Oh, no. Because he had to. Oh, yeah?

He would have gotten shit. Oh, wow. He would have gotten shit. We would have gotten shit. Everybody would have gotten shit. We did a Nike photo shoot with him, but those photos were not to go anywhere. One guy posted a photo of him on Facebook. Look, I'm with Alex Bilodeau.

And Nike saw it and was like, take that shit down right now. Wow. Not to be mean, but because you get in so much trouble. Because Hudson Bay pays an ungodly amount of money. When else do you ever hear about the Hudson Bay Company? what else do you hear about it? They pay an ungodly amount of money for this thing.

This is the thing they spend money on. So, you got to imagine what an airline pays might be more. Mm-hmm. And this snowboarder who nobody heard of two weeks ago,

except for, I guess, really hardcore snowboard fans, maybe, they're going to be like, actually, all 30 of them. He's giving you shit? I watch the X Games religiously, bro. But it's just you, sir. I know snowboarders like

Mark McMorris and Mark McMorris and his brother who I just learned existed. Who is also the brother of Mark McMorris. You know what I mean? And this guy's giving you shit. This guy's giving you grief.

Yep. And like the Canadian Winter Olympic program has really improved since Vancouver because they spent a shitload of money on it. On the podium hashtag. Exactly But before that

Canada struggled To podium At the summer And winter Olympics Because we don't Fund them that much Now you get a sponsor A huge sponsor

What did we finish third In medals this year? This year yeah Pretty good I think it's the highest Finish ever Also you're in row 57 Isn't that close to the back?

Yeah that's bad No but it's near the washrooms And the food Isn't that what you want? Partially? Adam I only fly coach I have no idea The food is at the front

Oh is it? Food is at the front No sometimes it's at the back You get served last If you're at the back they walk it to the front of the plane and it comes back no listen i don't know what it is you don't want to be at the back of the plane i get it i get it but also you're getting a free flight and by the way a flight from seoul korea to toronto costs you 3500 so you're welcome i'm

gonna give him advice uh i don't know if he did this or not wear your gold medal everywhere everywhere you should have worn it on the plane yeah on if you were wearing it like in the where you wait to get on the plane whatever you call it i bet someone would have been like look let's upgrade this guy come on it's pretty cool i feel like they should just for gold medal winners just give them the first class ride home like come on i was walking down the street with the hamlin brothers in vancouver and strangers were who were sitting down stood up and gave them a standing ovation you're telling me this guy with a gold medal just waiting in line at the airport might not a

come on come on I think he was cranky being on a how long is a flight to South Korea or home from South Korea 15 hours at least

at least yeah no thanks New Zealand's like 24 hours and they don't fly into Vancouver which would be the close stop

they fly into Toronto so they can get all the media and stuff so that's like oh no no you think yeah

oh I don't know they bring them all into Toronto yeah that's absolutely what they do oh that sucks that's what the national media's

based out of hey everybody you're just dying and then you take your connecting flight oh god you know who would upgrade it

Rogers if Rogers had heard about that you know they would upgrade it that's all I know well with that

we leave you Rogers Airlines Rogers Airlines I mean it would probably be a fine product to go with all their other

fine products Jesse if you bought a Rogers Airlines take it would you get Game Center Live for free on the plane

Tim and Sid are the flight attendants if you just look up in the front you know who's at the front of the plane it's not bad you know who's flying it

if you look up in the front of the plane that's amazing that's pretty good Jeff Blair is definitely doing the announcements over there

no he's the pilot yeah yeah that's what I mean he's doing the pilot announcements this is your captain speaking you're gonna

fly the altitude of I don't know it's going to be pretty high don't worry look you're safe I know what I'm doing okay

no no he would also mention Ryan Tepera in the Blue Jays doing a right handed relief pitch you know he thought that

in somewhere co-pilot here is Mike Willner well Jeff hopefully you won't need me on this flight I'll just hang back what about that

Vernon Wells deal oh my god we're so sorry about that Jeff Hey everyone, it's Jerry Howarth I retired so I have a lot of time to just fly planes for Rogers Airlines and things

Oh, a goose is flying right at us and there she goes Oh my god Did you just kill a goose? Jerry Howarth killed a goose as Jerry Howarth I'm so tired Let me go

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