The Steve Dangle Podcast - Knife Shoes | February 16, 2020

Episode Date: February 16, 2020

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, who wore the crown! (00:00), Leafs beat Sens 4-2, Jack Campbell is awesome, DJ Smith says things about Zaitsev, and PLAYOFFS?!?! (07:00), Dubas is close to signing Muzzin to a four-year deal (26:30), Andy Greene is traded to the Island (38:00), Chara, Kassian, and Kane are disciplined (47:00), Bruce Boudreau was fired on V-Day (1:13:30), Biz and Dan are feuding on Twitter (1:18:00), and SONY BROKE JESSE'S PS4 and Steve's book dates (1:27:30). Originally aired: February 16, 2020 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/tjfzxY3PUDM Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So today we were gonna play NHL 20 Oh well, silly Jesse trying to have fun Good things Nope, that's not allowed if you're Oh boy If you're an owner of a PS4 And you enjoy video games And you don't have an internet connection

Oh boy You can't play NHL 20 Alright Are we doing the crown? Because this is going to derail things very fast We're going to do the crown And then we're going to talk about how Today, because Adam Wilde is away

You and I were going to play NHL 20 At the kids table At the kids table For the press conference of this podcast We're going to play NHL 20 and talk And hopefully have some fun But No fun

Because we're in a corporate building And you cannot bring outside devices And connect them to the internet in a corporate building Which corporation? Bell Media The great Bell Media There's some restrictions that come with that Anyway, so I couldn't bring my PS4

And connect to the internet here But that's okay Because I bought it on The PlayStation Network I bought NHL 20 back in September With money? $79.99 is a hefty price

for a video game in 2020 and then I so I bought that and I downloaded it to my device and I thought I could just play it anywhere I go

because it's on the hard you have it's a thing that you bought it is on the hard drive well it turns out you cannot do that

unless you're connected to the internet but we must figure out who wore the crown before we get into that cheesed live generously

and life will treat you royally why not why not pour yourself And a friend a crown We're going to talk about who wore the crown We'll re-crown a leaf Each show, who gives it all for the blue and white

Because it's not about what you have But what you have to give It is our town, it is our crown Stephen A. Dangle Who wears the crown? For you First and foremost, I've been watching a lot of Stephen A. Smith What is it, first take?

First take, yes I feel so bad for Max Kellerman Why? Because he always goes first and he is very clearly trying to keep up and he can't keep up. He can't keep up with Stephen A. It's not his job to keep up, you know? It's not even, yeah, but like, isn't he supposed to be like a foil or like be that now skip?

Like he's, there's, there's just, it's Stephen A just, and he's not even doing it like indignantly anymore. He's just calmly walking circles around him. It's very sad. Anyway, the crown I'm caught in the middle. Jesse, I was thinking about this on the drive down There is the popular pick and then there's the pick my heart wants to make now We allowed a certain player to go without a crown for a very long time and it wasn't fair to that player This player deserved a crown long before last week and that was Zach Hyman

Yes. He got his first crown on the last episode, which is crazy to think about. Ridiculous. And then he got two. He got two that episode. Yes, he did. Zach Hyman performance. I think the popular pick is Jack Campbell.

And I could easily justify giving it to Jack Campbell. Have we given one to Jack Campbell yet? I don't believe so. He's only been around for, I think, two crown episodes. That's tough. Yeah, yeah. My heart is saying Alexander Kerfoot. Interesting.

I just love this player. I'm going to give it to Alex Kerfoot. Because I love the way he's been playing recently. Every time Keefe goes back to the Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander line, it works. It pays dividends. He went into, I think it was the Nylander goal. He goes in there. Tavares draws all five cents in.

But Kerfoot was just being a belligerent asshole, and I can't wait to see this guy play off hockey with the Leafs. I hope he gets to do that anyway. He does so many things right. Feisty, good playmaker, always getting back and allowing the D to do their thing if they want to go up offensively. The easy pick is Campbell. I'm giving it to Kerfoot just because he's been so damn impressive recently. All right, and we'll talk about Jack Campbell after this. Obviously.

It's going to be the Jack Hamill show. Right? Yeah. Well, because it's not the NHL 20 show. Because that can't happen. Look, I came dressed for the occasion. For anybody not watching, what are you wearing? Oh, I'm wearing my purple Raptors hockey jersey.

Because Kyle Lowry got added to NHL ones in the game this season. So they released these limited edition Raptors hockey jerseys with like a little maple syrup bottle on the front that says K-Lo on the back. It's very beautiful. And Lowry syrup shack. And this is my This is the official jersey of the Dangle Kayaks in Hutt

Is that your team name? Yes The team you didn't invite us to Us meaning me and Adam No no no that's you're thinking EASH We're Dangle Navy and no you're still Not on that team My crown goes to the Man who had the game winning goal

Sure did Third goal of the game when you go to the front of the net Good things will happen For sure William Nylander deserves my crown Because he has proven time and time and again All season long That he has figured something out

He's figured out how to score He's not He's not even close to Auston Matthews I hate to make that comparison Before everybody gets mad at me But he's figured out a way to just be in the right place At the right time Even when he doesn't mean to tip a puck

Tips a puck and it goes in the back of the net No he meant to Round of applause to William Nylander Proving himself again to be a front of the net player And can't stop scoring That's his 26th of the year 4 away from 30 And a milestone

He is now tied for the single season record For amount of goals Scored by a Kneelander No way How many did Michael only have Michael's career high was 26 So the next goal William Kneelander scores Will be the most goals ever

The most NHL goals ever scored by a Kneelander Wow Yeah. I bet you that's a thing in his family. Oh, yeah. Like, he's got to, when he scores his 27th, which is going to happen eventually, he's probably going to go to his dad and be like, hey, I got you. Did you see his reaction from when he scored, he was at like 22 or something, and someone

asked him about that? Oh, no, I didn't see that, no. And they go, yeah, your dad's career high was 26. He goes, really? Oh, I'm going to like smash that. He was just like, oh, well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.

Pretty cool. Well, that has been Who Are the Crowd for this episode, brought to you always by Crown Royal. Next time, when the puck drops, why not? Why not? Pour yourself and your Leafs crew a Crown Royal Old Fashioned. So, Leafs beat the Senators 4-2. Matthews gets his 42nd.

Muzzin gets his 4th. Nylander gets his 26th. Marner added one. Of course, Connor Brown scored. That had to happen. So, five Leafs scored and Cody Goluboff. And then Jack Campbell earns a point in every single one of his starts. Unbelievable.

He's a 9-19 so far with the Leafs. All very good. Is Jack Campbell exactly what the Leafs needed, Stephen D'Angelo? Yes, 100%. He is not just a guy who, okay, here's what Babcock wanted. And it always comes back to him. Of course. He wanted a guy who can play on the second half of back-to-backs.

That's it. That's all he wanted. And I want him to do it competently, even though there's no reason to assume that your less good goalie We'll do better behind a tired team. That's all he wanted. He had that because Curtis McElhinney decided to be fucking God for some silly reason. Vesna worthy.

Like literally, it's stupid. If you extended it over a course of a season, you'd probably win the Vesna, but that's not how it works. Sparks couldn't replicate that. Hutch couldn't replicate that. So we took steps back. Campbell, so far, anyway. looks like a goalie who could not just play on the second half of back-to-backs uh but be an option on many other nights and maybe even for the first time in freddie's tenure as a

leaf challenge freddie a bit he'll i don't think he's going to take away the starting job that's at some point you got to go okay you were fantastic for three years and a month and you've had a couple bad months or whatever and nobody's gonna argue that he wasn't the best versus who was the stars the game before this one yeah and when it's what's weird is like he didn't do that bad except the beginning of every period right the first minute and like you need to save you need to save and i'm i'm concerned that i'm finding myself saying the same things about anderson that i was saying about hutch uh but uh campbell is not a guy who's gonna steal the starting job from

Freddie in my opinion but he could steal starts I think last night was a stolen start wasn't it even though it's a back to back

yeah I think Anderson usually gets that first one versus Ottawa yeah yep I don't disagree with that

little bit little bit and if Freddie loses to Buffalo tonight and it's his fault I mean you can you're allowed to

lose games right Tuesday's gonna be very interesting because that's another situation where I assume Freddie will play

one of the games and Hutch will play the other or in preparation Campbell sorry yeah Campbell

no we don't want we don't want Hutch in there nope nope we're resetting that yeah that's a tough one that's a real tough one I really

I want listen Frederick Anderson at his top is one of the top ten goalies in the league we need him back there no one should be

cheering for his demise or for Campbell to take over We need Freddie to be Freddie But this is what you want Right This is what

He needs this motivation I think Yeah This is what we were Trying to get When we were going out And getting a backup goal He's somebody who's gonna

Not have Frederick Anderson Playing 60 games a season Yeah We want somebody in there Who can take 40 starts You know Maybe that's too much Or 30

30 yeah Or something Like yeah Give him Halak is starting How many games For the Bruins He's starting like 35

Like I want to say It's like a 60-40 split in Boston when they're both healthy. And, you know, how many times have we seen the Capitals go into the 2018 playoffs? It's Grubauer who's the starter. Holtby takes over. They win a cup. Grubauer who got injured last night.

Oh, did he? Yeah, yeah. I think they said he's going to be out for at least a couple days, at least a couple games. Colorado, man. Hey, there was a chart posted. I want to say it was by Sean Tierney. I'm not sure but it was It wasn't man games lost. It was wins above replacement lost. Oh, so not just who's hurt, but how good they are

So Pittsburgh was in first by like a mile. It was unbelievable obviously because of Crosby Leafs were fifth Not surprising. No, like it's been bad everyone who goes. Oh, well the Penguins all the avalanche, okay True that they had success But it is now officially Fair to say, holy shit The Leafs have had a redonkulously Bad season And now with Janssen out, it's even worse

And he's gonna be out, and Riley's gonna be out So like, this wins above replacement Lost, it's just gonna keep Cranking up, cause like Riley I assume is huge Janssen's obviously not nothing It's, ugh, no one's having Fun right now, but Campbell

Except for Campbell, and the Leafs who won Do you want to pause for a moment and go back to before the Sens game? Yeah, sure. Because DJ Smith said the most interesting thing that's ever been said about Nikita Zaitsev. What an adorable man. He said, I don't know if he let Taylor Hall in more than a couple times the other night. Wow. Just a couple times.

His feet are the best of anyone on our back. A back that includes Thomas Shabbat. Thomas Shabbat. Let's not talk about that. Eric Brandstrom. He continues. He's a guy you want to play against the best players. He'll be seen every shift against Austin Matthews tonight.

And Austin Matthews, who does he dance around to score the first goal of the game? Four minutes into the game. Four minutes in. Nikita Zaitsev. Well, it was a nice little play from Dermott and Hyman, but... What's going on there? Why is DJ Smith hyping up Zaitsev so much pregame? He's going to be there for another four years.

Might as well make him feel good about himself. I don't know. I don't know. It was, I think Babcock liked Zaitsev a lot, but DJ Smith ran the defense and was, it seems, happy to take him on in Ottawa, so I assume Like I don't think he's bullshitting. I think I think he's being truthful. You think he believes this? I think he likes this, but now what I am confused about is what he means by feet Because if I talk about a forward's feet right if I talk about like Taylor Hall or Auston Matthews I'm talking about how they're atcha. They're dancing around everyone and they're flying if I talk about a defenseman's feet

What am I like how sturdy he is you're skating backwards? I assume I don't know voting in that because Babcock Babcock used to love how Like sites have always skated like he was on a toilet like that. He gets real low and real wide Which, you know, coaches who love the intangibles, they love that sort of thing. Is that what he means? Can't knock him over. Yeah, like, if that's what he means, Gauthier's got terrible feet. You know what I mean?

Because Gauthier stands so tall. Because he's always falling over. And, yeah, stands so tall and might come out of the lineup tonight. I don't know yet. We haven't gotten that answer. I mean, DJ Smith is nothing if not loyal. Good for him. Yeah, that's his boy, I guess.

and he carried that over from Toronto to Ottawa. Good for him. Better for Matthews. Better for us. And then today, the Leafs made a couple moves. They called up a couple guys, and you made an interesting point about how the Marlies have been terrible and how they've played back-to-back nights, so these guys might not even play.

What do you make of the news that they called up? Well, that was from Jonas Siegel, and that's a great point, yeah. So you're allowed to play three straight nights in the American Hockey League, which is something Mike Zygomanis has just... Ranted about Like all the way back I remember when he was

An active Marlies player Like calling out I want to say He tagged the commissioner Of the AHL To be like These are bullshit Stop doing these

The three games And three nights Three games and three nights Murder So it's Igor Korshkov And Mason Marchman Who got the call up today Yes

And then They also played Yesterday, Saturday And Friday Yeah so if they play tonight It'll be their third consecutive It's the hardest thing You can do in professional

Well in professional hockey They played two minor league games and then got called up for a National Hockey League game I think the only thing that could be harder I guess in theory you could play three and three and then get called up into a back-to-back scenario So you could play five straight games technically But who the hell are you putting through that? So the Leafs were only carrying 12 forwards, like the exact minimum And so they call it now they got two spares

Yes And do you think Korshkov or Marchman make the lineup tonight? I really, I'd like to see them Um, I mean, Marchman's 24, Korshkov's 23. I would hope they're not tired. I don't know what happened to them in their games exactly. Except for, did you see what happened in yesterday's Marlies game? I heard you talk about it, but explain to anybody who doesn't know.

Marlies are down 4-0, and I'm tweeting like, Jesus, Greg Moore gonna get fired? Like, the Marlies have been terrible since he took over. It's 4-0, Marlies score 1. Okay, great. Now it's 5-1. Marlies came back and won that game 7-6 in overtime, folks. Unbelievable. Korshkov scored the OT

winner. I want to see him. Do you want your first NHL game to be against the Sabres or the Penguins? Ask Cassie Swo. But is it the Sabres on, I played two games in a row. My third

straight game, Sabres. Yes. It's a tough call. That's a tough call. And both have had trouble staying healthy. Marchment, I want to say had surgery uh korshkov has geez when he was in russia he went through it north america he's gone through it um i mean it could be an opportunity to if you don't want to risk them playing three straight nights it could be an opportunity to have goat and timoshev play like it's their last game

you know what i mean or play like they're still fighting for a spot in the lineup which they're in such a difficult position because under Keefe like those guys are getting seven minutes max to prove themselves so I don't know what they're supposed to do with that time but I guess their job is to figure it out yeah because Keefe's doing the right thing he's doing the thing we wanted Babcock to do

for three years and that's run the horses and let Matthews and Marner and Elan and Tavares play those 18, 19 20 minutes but you need production out of your you need your third and fourth lines to be positive and I think that's maybe one thing that's been

A little bit lost Well the third line has been The third line has looked great You have those guys scoring the secondary goals That are helping the team win in games that they win But then the fourth line They're not seeing enough ice time to even make an effect on the game No and they got demolished

For the Sens second goal Boy Were you scared when it was 10 minutes to go Of course Of course I was scared Are you kidding me? It's the Leafs It's like, yeah. Because they never look to be a threat, but they got it within one.

If you look at the, the first goal was bullshit. It was a fluke. Barry tried to throw the puck behind the net. It hits the ref. Brown identifies what's going on before Matthews. I don't even blame Austin for it, really. So what are you going to do? The second goal, I guess you watched the LFR.

So I highlighted a screen grab. Kyle Clifford is not nearly aggressive enough on goal above. I don't know what, like, does Justin Holl have, like, Netflix in his visor like Iron Man? And we're like, I want to know what show he was watching. You're not doing anything. There's two, it's Brady Kachuk and Anthony Duclair. Two incredibly dangerous players in front. And Jake Muzzin's like, I'll get both then, I guess.

That guy has not looked right for two weeks now. Whatever he's battling. What do you think is wrong? Just flu or injury? I don't There was one There was a game recently I can't remember if it was

Arizona Or Dallas But the camera There was an ISO shot Of his face And it was after He either took a penalty Or a goal went in

Can't remember And he just looked like Great saying I learned from my Scottish in-laws He looked like Death warmed up And

He just He looks like a ghost He looks like a He looks sick Former self Yeah he looks sick he looks lethargic um but so justin hall like let's say coach i'm too sick i can't go tonight so your right side is what it's barry lilligren i guess is on your second pair now and you have

marinchen on his offside right or you have barry marinchen on his offside then lilligren Dermott was able to come out of the lineup When he was sick I want to say there were a couple forwards Who were able to come out of the lineup They couldn't afford to take Justin Holl out of the lineup He looks awful I think we chalk up that Dallas loss to

They were sick They were sick And Dallas is good Which is a shame Dallas Hear me now folks Dallas is really Finding their way into my

Stanley Cup favorites Conversation They're one point out of first place in the entire West Buddy, I really like The way they play I really like the way Dallas plays They have a couple X-Factor players They won that game without Radulov

Radulov wasn't even in the lineup Ben Bishop is a series-stealing Goalie, they play a really stingy system Roman Polak almost scored a Friggin' wraparound What the hell was that? Most teams are not going to be improved by making a little move at the deadline,

like they acquire some third-line winger. Dallas, I think, is absolutely that team. And also the Leafs woke Tyler Sagan up. Did you see that OT winner against Montreal? No. Holy shit. Was it nice? I think it might be a hat pick this week.

Okay. Real, real good. And I'm sure we'll get to the habs later, but Dallas is a very impressive team. That Gurianov kid. He's one of those guys where you forget That players are allowed to improve throughout the season And it's not just

Here's how you are from October to June And then It's not NHL 20 which we can't play The ratings don't just get set And then the guys just stay at that level It's no, they're humans and they're constantly improving If they're trying to Between the two games against the Leafs

I think he had like five breakaways He's really good Sorry, anyway, I just really like Dallas And that's why I sort of spared them Right? I wanted to rip the Leafs apart that night I was just, I was so grumpy Good Dallas team, sick Leafs team

Lots of injuries, what are you going to do? They stayed competitive and they almost won the game Exactly And then last night they make it up, they win that And then tonight they get Buffalo What do you expect out of Buffalo? Man, this has got to be Buffalo's Stanley Cup

Sort of like the Sens, because I really don't know what they're playing for Did Buffalo play last night as well? I assume so Because it was Saturday, but I don't actually know I'm not sure But yeah, what do you make of the game tonight? What do you think is going to happen? Freddie needs to have his best performance in two months

Is what needs to happen You know, the Leafs have played Buffalo a few times this season The game that we saw where we were between the benches They were not the better team And ended up squeaking out an OT winner Was that Kapanen? Who scored the OT goal? No, it was Tavares

Oh, yes, yes It was Tavares um and uh like they they need to look like they're a better team than buffalo which is something i'm dying for but more importantly freddie it it won't be good enough that he's just better than their goalie none of the goalies buffalo is putting that this season have been good like he needs to be freddie good that's all i care about like it like the reason we've been or i've been so concerned with this last little stretch. I'm like, man, if they play like this in the playoffs,

they're going to get killed. Yeah. Some of them. There's no way the Leafs win a round playing like this. But I feel like they still have so much runway to get in to the playoffs that they're going to fine-tune this thing. Well, and they got Florida on the ropes, too. Right.

So they're four up on Florida. They've lost a couple. Here's your chance to go up six on them, even though they'll have a couple games in hand. And right now, it's not even Florida who's in that position. It's Carolina. Carolina has 69 points and Leafs have 70 But Florida can't, or sorry

Carolina can't skip into third in the Atlantic Right The Leafs right now are the cheese team They're the team That there was a situation Last week I think Where the Leafs were one point Back

Of a team that wasn't in the playoffs Yeah, they're the 9 seed And then the 8 seed doesn't make it Which, yeah, oh it's only Leaf fans Who don't like this playoff format No, I don't think Carolina and Philly fans are too happy with it right now either. Not so fun to be on that side of the debate there, eh? That's ridiculous.

It's a really stupid system. We've had this debate a hundred times in the last two years. But it's ridiculous how you could be a better team and not make the playoffs. And also how you could be a better team and play a road game in the first round. A road series. Yeah. And last year it really screwed the Leafs. And this year it might be the reason they get in.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, Carolina has not looked... Not Carolina. Florida has not looked good in their last 10 games. They're 3-6-1. They lost two in a row. They're on the ropes.

Leafs have gotten real lucky lately. They're on the ropes, and apparently they're shopping Vincent Trocek, their second-line center. Not a lot of playoff teams shop their second-line center. No, and Tampa, by the way, has won 10 in a row, if you haven't noticed. Okay. People are not understanding how good Tampa is. Forget that they've won 10 in a row.

Forget that they're, what are they, one point out of first? They are one point back of the Bruins, yeah. I want to know the last date they weren't a playoff team. Weren't? Yeah, because there was a solid chunk, I want to say like at the beginning of December, and now they're almost first in the league. You know how frigging hot Tampa has been? I don't believe in Tampa at all until they do something in the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but they did it last year. They were the best regular season team ever And they lost in the first round But they went through it a bit this year Is the difference You say you're not impressed? No Prove it

They do have another couple months to go Yeah I don't know I'm just With Tampa I think it's just So flat and black and white As just prove you can do in the playoffs Fair enough

Jake Muzzin Headlines Yes Elliot Friedman Apparently A four year deal Has been worked out There's actually Chris Johnson.

So Chris Johnson said, you can only commit so much salary to the season following the one you're in, but that amount goes up by 10% on March 1st. So it does seem as though the Leafs and Jake Muzzin are on the path here to reaching a contract extension, but I wouldn't be surprised if everything isn't signed, sealed, and delivered until after that date. And he says that the deal is a four-year deal. So the Leafs and Muzzin have a deal, they just won't announce it yet. Because they can't, under the CBA, because they can't commit so much salary to the following seasons in advance until after March 1st. That's weird. So they have apparently...

Oh, but that's a team thing. That's not an individual thing. No, it's a salary cap thing. Right. No, no, no. That's what I mean. Yeah. Okay.

So apparently they have too much salary committed into the seasons in the future, so they've got to wait until March 1st, and then that number goes up by 10%, which then they can sign Jake Messon. So he's locked in. So apparently, according to Chris Johnson. Unless the agent, well, okay, assuming Chris's report is true, which I do. Yes, which we are assuming that, yeah. Unless Muzzin and his agent completely screw them, this is the deal.

It sounds like they got a four-year deal. So what do you think a four-year deal with Jake Muzzin looks like? Also, are you happy with a four-year deal? Yeah, I am. Are you happy that they're committed to Jake? I am. Okay. Yes.

A lot of people I saw were happy with it. I think the number I saw was 5.5 was the rumored cap hit. I would be very happy with that. Anything under six, I'd be pretty happy with. I saw Dom Lissajin said they maybe shouldn't do it. They should allocate the funds elsewhere. The Leafs pipeline on defense is so weak that I think they kind of gotta. They don't, you're leaving way too much to chance.

And like, where are you going to go get another defenseman? You're going to go into free agency where everyone overpays? Yeah, that's the thing. If you don't want to sign Jake Muzzin, then you've got to go out and get another Jake Muzzin. You already have one, why not keep the Jake Muzzin you have? And it's four years. Right. Four is, that's about as long as I want Jake Muzzin. And actually, no, I would like him beyond that. But, at 34, there's a solid chance Muzzin is not nearly as good as he is currently, and should be making less. Mm-hmm. so this gives us an opportunity hey come contend with us for four years that's hopefully what we're

going to be doing thank goodness you're here we gave up a lot to get you also you didn't just give up derzy grunstrom in a second to have him for a couple seasons um i don't know i don't think it's that high of a risk okay he would have to take a real bad step backward like he would have to get some sort of injury which is you can't go in you can't go around just going well if he gets a catastrophic injury yeah that's everyone exactly that's any player ever and it might cook him and it might not like you don't know like I thought I thought Zidane O'Chara was done years ago because I remember going dude this guy's 6'9 and in his mid-30s if he gets a knee injury he's

done. His joints are probably caked. They have to be. Yeah, by this point. And I think he had a knee injury, and I remember just being like that's it for Zidane O'Chara. Nope, still going. He's slow, but he gets away with everything, so it works out.

So that's fine. I remember Tavares, he got that big injury in Sochi. There was no skin in the game. He wasn't a Leaf. He was a few years away from being a Leaf, and I'm like I think that guy's done. Or like, he is at very least done dominating and here he is just doing the same old thing so you can't go around living your life like that what does this mean for tyson barry i think it's more likely less likely that they trade him

that they've re-signed him what do you think happens now how do you think this affects tyson barry unless you get something really great back that helps you right away um and ideally goes into next season uh i don't understand the point of trading tyson berry um he's still a useful part of your team are you trying to win a cup or not can i give you the other side sure what about him as a expiring asset and that you'd rather find a way to create a deal so that you don't just have an asset walk away at the end of the season if you don't plan on resigning him i totally get it i totally get it but you're also retaining alex kerfoot from that deal remember so there's that You got a year of Tyson Berry

If you trade him I want it to help now You know what I mean? I totally get Oh, we need value going forward That's a smart way of thinking The right side is so weak That if you take away Any one of the three guys currently in the lineup

You're fucked They lost Cody Cece And it hurt them That's how bad the right side is You know what I mean? If you get another Right side guy back You could even upgrade

You can go to a team and figure out some sort of deal Trade Barry and And get something back But if the thing you're getting back Is not a right shot defenseman I think you're wasting your time Also, Andreas Janssen's injury Kind of screwed up the entire trade deadline

For the Leafs it seems like Or helped it In terms of the cap They can take on now But you're losing an asset that you could have potentially traded away, unless you're trying to move cappy. It's extremely...

Oh, there was a trade. Really? Oh! Like, right now? Nine minutes ago. Oh. On CapFriendly, sorry, to the New Jersey Devils, they get David Quenville, I want to say related to Joel,

and a 2021 second-round pick. And the Islanders get Andy Green, who, if I'm not mistaken, Isn't that the Captain of the Devils? A left-shot defenseman? Andy Green? Yeah. Oh, that's actually a decent little deal.

Sorry, I went on CapFriendly's Twitter to look up something else. Okay, we'll break down that in a moment after we finish the Muzzin-Barry talk. Yeah, sorry about that. No, it's crazy. This tweet from four hours ago from CapFriendly. Without a corresponding move, the Leafs' recalling of Marchment and Korshkov would put them over the 23-player limit. It is therefore our assumption that they have placed Janssen on LTIR, giving the club a grand total of $24 million in LTIR relief, of which they have $8.8 million remaining. So, Janssen being injured

Screws up their trade deadline plans In that they can't really Well, they can't trade him And can you then afford to trade a Kerfoot Or a, I don't think Kerfoot's on the table anymore Or could you trade a Kapanen So it screws it up in that way But it actually gives the Leafs way more space

Because they're going forward with the assumption that CeCe and Janssen won't be back until playoff time. So they could bring on, unless I'm reading this wrong, they could bring on $8.8 million by deadline value. Yeah, no, it's crazy to think that they have so much space when the entire narrative coming into the season was, hey, the Leafs have no cap space. Yeah.

Right? And then, but now, because they don't have first round picks to give away, it's like, who are they taking on for this amount? That is a good question. Here's another question. If you're the NHL. Yes. And you're the NHL, you're sitting there and you're like, hey, what stupid thing can we do today? What nonsensical rule can we make up?

Leaf fans, don't get mad at me. If you're the NHL, do you want it so that a former employee of the league who helped write the collective bargaining agreement, basically helped write how the cap works, do you want, should that employee be allowed to go then and work for a team? Yes. You can't limit people's employment. Well, then you're going to get more of this. Yeah. Like, if you're an NHL team that has struggled with the cap and you don't, you know, you're looking at the Leafs in confusion or whatever, you should be spending your entire summer going, I don't, here, let me try to understand what the hell they did. Well, the problem here is the NHL has set up a cap system that's so idiotic that the average person doesn't understand what's going on.

I don't, dude, I don't understand. People who are into hockey and are hardcore hockey fans can't even understand it. And they've created a system where people need to find holes to circumvent the cap just so they can do what they want and try and win hockey games. That's a ridiculous way to set up a league. And no NHL team is going to, I mean, they'll whisper, oh, damn Leafs. But, like, too many guys, the Leafs are the bank. Right. It's already basically a half cap or a soft cap system.

They helped out Columbus big time. They helped out Vegas big time. They helped hand Pittsburgh a cup We'll give you our star Except you can't afford our star So here, we'll retain 1.2 million dollars forever Because we can, and it doesn't matter

We're going to spend over the cap anyway Because of XYZ And here's Phil Kessel So anyone who's got something to say About it, shut up Shut up It's crazy how it is basically a soft cap league And a hard cap league

yeah you know except there's only like one team who takes advantage of the fact that it's a soft yeah well at one point this season there were 15 out of the 31 teams who were spending into LTIR I don't know if that's true anymore what the number is but at one point this season there were half the league doing that it was bad at the beginning it's ridiculous I do remember that yeah the Leafs weren't even the top team and I'm like no but their payroll is a hundred million what are you what are you talking about but the cap is 81 or whatever so if they if they wanted to the Leafs could it's weird like what their current cap situation looks like if they really wanted to it almost looks like remember when they completely sucked and they were tanking and they could take

on money and also picks so they take on brooks like but in exchange they get some picks and connor carrick yeah you take brooks like and maybe a third and then yeah yeah there's their current situation they could it's almost like they should do that again and just not play those players and if you're able to get picks and prospects in return you can then turn around and use those to go out and get more does that make sense yeah i keep looking for like the one big big number that they take on is like oh that's that big defenseman maybe he's like aging but he has a big contract and they bring it on but maybe it's a bunch of smaller moves maybe it's a bunch of three million dollar guys that they're just bringing on and getting a couple draft picks for

And that happens a week today, right? A week tomorrow is the trade deadline. I think so. Oh, I'm going to be part of the coverage again, by the way. Hey, that's awesome. Yeah. Nice. Just found out recently.

Next Monday? Yeah. Yeah. It's funny getting the email from the exec producer, like, hey, do you want to be part of the trade deadline coverage? I'm like, ah, let me think. I don't know. Are you doing TV coverage or online?

Yes. All right. No, it's, I'm social media desk person. I don't know if I'm going to be more or less involved than last year. I only got on a few times But I was on Nice Damn it

And I got to make fun Of Brian Burke For trading for Tyler Biggs That's cool Which means I did my job So Andy Green Is 37

Has 11 points In 53 games He's The devils love A confusing captain Because the captain Before him Was Bryce Salvador

Right But apparently He costs a second And Dave Quenville I don't know much about Quenville I do know he was playing in the league I don't know if he's got that high of a ceiling

Okay Andy Green for a second round pick still Seems like a lot Leadership though And we're forgetting the The Devils connection What's that? That's Lou Lamorello GM of the Islanders

Bringing in the captain of the Devils Oh Interesting. I didn't even think of that That is interesting, and it's the Islanders trying to improve on a strength, right? They're this stingy team. I think they want to play low-event hockey or at least grind you down. Andy Green, I believe, has been on several long playoff runs. Could be good for them.

And David Quenville, 21, seventh-round pick. Nephew of Joel? I think he's nephew. I don't have that information. I don't know if it says on there. Never played an NHL game. Oh, really? Yeah.

Has six points in 18 games with the Bridgeport Sound Tigers. Have the AHL, and they had two points in 14 games in the E this season. Oh, so he's guy. So he is literally Magic Beans guy. Oh, okay. I think it's for a second round pick and a Magic Beans guy. Hmm. I think that's to make the contracts work.

Okay. Maybe. Interesting. All right. Well, sounds like the Islanders just wanted depth and leadership, and they paid a second for it. Yeah, and the floodgates are officially open, right? Like, we already had Campbell and Clifford, Zucker's gone, Andy Green is gone.

Boy, so anyway, tune in February 24th for trade deadline coverage. It's going to be sick, folks. Isn't this how it happens every year? Basically. They're like, oh, we're going to do 46 hours of straight coverage, Duffy, his teeth are going to fall out because he's been talking on TV for 16 of those hours, and CJ's going to be so many trades. CJ's just playing pool against you and me.

Right? And his thumbs are going to fall off because he's just sitting there on his phone. I'm on a losing streak, by the way. I've been terrible. Yeah, you haven't been good in messenger pool lately. I looked I looked the other day because I Braked or broke whatever and my next notification is that I lost Yeah, I cleaned it out like oh shit

So yeah next hopefully next Monday. There's some people wait, but The bigger deals happen like Saturday Friday. Yeah, which makes sense. I want to see the Leafs actually do something though and None of this. Oh, well their move was mustn and this year Oh, well, their move was Campbell. Muzzin, good. Campbell, good. Glad you made both those moves. Do not tease me with this $8.8 million in space just to give us friggin' Nick Patan again. Right. You know what I mean? Oh, there's a Leafs trade to announce. Nick Patan for Per Lindholm? Give me my day back.

Or a Placanix. Ugh! Even that. But that's at least something. That's a guy who used to be a guy. You gave up a second for him. But they gave up a lot. They did give up a lot.

But it's something to talk about. Whereas Nick Patan for payroll in-home, Babcock carried a big old bunch. But, like, I couldn't bring myself to give a shit. Yeah, I was on the side of I think these guys need the rest of the run into the playoffs and just see what they got. You don't have to go out and make a big move. Just go. You got guys here in the locker room who are going to do something now that they have Keefe.

But now, there's all this room. You might as well use it. Don't just let it go to waste and let it sit there. We have the money. What did you do all this hard work for? All this planning and you did it to be in this position. You should not have $8.8 million in cap space right now. That's preposterous.

It's so lucky and it's also terrible because that means guys are out. So you need to be filling these slots somehow. Go do something. Do something. Do something. What do you want us to do? I don't know. You're the GM.

You do anything. We're going to do something. There's so many guys. Bracco supposedly wants out. Are we forgetting that Nick Patan still exists, by the way? Yeah, go ahead and do a Nick Patan trade. The other way. There's too many forwards on this team.

It feels like, do you remember when the Leafs made the trade with the Islanders where they traded five guys? Five guys. On picture day? Yes. For like one guy? Yeah, and one of those five guys was a guy. Yeah.

And then it took another one of them five years to make the show. Like, come on. It feels like right now they have just a bunch of guys, and that you could probably just package these guys and get guys back that can fill that 8.8 and do something and help the team. Okay. Leafs have an injury up front. Okay.

Mason Marchment. They have another injury up front. Okay. Korshkov. Another injury. All right. Agostino. Another injury.

Brooks. He's injured. All right. Well, now we gotta, we gotta go, we can get by without Nick Patin. Right. That's basically what I'm trying to say. Right. And, like, a guy like Spezza has made the rest of the guys so expendable.

He looks, he doesn't look tired. No. I remember earlier in the season we were saying, well, he shouldn't play every game because he's old. He looks A-okay to me. Yeah, he looks as good as ever. And we're almost 60 games in now. Right. Yes, they have all the space.

Please freaking use it. to improve your hockey team and also trade deadline coverage. We'll do, I guess, more of a trade deadline preview tomorrow or next show because we can't record Tuesday. But, yeah, so we'll talk more about that, like the other teams tomorrow and see what they're going to do a week from Monday. But, yeah, it should be fine. I think it'll be a fun trade deadline.

The GMs this season seem to be a little bit more willing to take a chance. Well, and it's weird. St. Louis, I think, had something to do with that last year where it's like, okay, any team can really win out of nowhere. Yeah, and this year has had a lot of clear have-nots, and they haven't really done anything yet. Kings did something. But where's the big Buffalo trade?

Yeah, New Jersey just made their move. Is there a big Buffalo trade? Minnesota, do they have another one in there? Do the Sharks just throw in the towel and just get rid of all these old guys? What did they do the other day? Oh, no. Carlson's injured for the rest of the season. Carlson's gone for the...

By the way, his thumb is going to keep him out two months. You mean his thumb plus all of his nagging injuries to the rest of his body. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I mean, maybe. But guys have played with broken fingers. You just kind of wrap it because it's going to go up. In the playoffs.

In the playoffs, yeah. Like, they're... I think they've already thrown in the towel. And now they don't have Kane for three games. They already didn't have Hurdle. They already don't have Couture, I'm pretty sure. Thornton is 55 Marlow is 56

Like that team Is 7 Different shades of boned So what's the big trade It gotta be Kevin LeBanc If I'm Kevin LeBanc I go get me the I gave you guys A million dollar contract

He signed one year one mil Made them all look like geniuses That Timu Meyer deal They signed both those the same day I'm pretty sure And I was like, holy shit, the Sharks are brilliant Whoops Can't win You need a goalie

Speaking of Evander Kane We have to do The week of suspensions in the NHL So we're going to go back in time to Wednesday We're going to go in chronological order We'll go, start Wednesday Zdeno Chara cross-checks Brendan Gallagher In the upper pad slash throat slash face

No suspension A $5,000 fine The maximum allowable under the CBA What do you make of this suspension? It's garbage It's fine It's so stupid It's, oh, did you see my tweet about it?

No, what did you say? Zidane O'Chara's career earnings Are, I believe it was $97,993,695 Okay He got fined $5,000 that is 0.405 something percent of like what he's ever made and basically what i came down to or what i tried to figure out it's it's like getting it's like he was fined 75 or something like that

like oh well uh people were talking about well that's his career earnings okay we'll put it against this year's which is 3.75 after bonuses yeah it was like being fined he got like a speeding ticket like reduced in court five thousand dollars is ridiculous and i don't know why the cb they negotiated that and set that as the limit yes so yes is there a reason do you know the reason no no but people well yeah i know the reason so the players association don't want the players to lose that much money on account of But $5,000 seems so little. It is. That's why they negotiated

it in, right? But the Players Association I mean that's their job though, isn't it? It is their job, but I would like to see the NHL get a little more bullish on that because it's endangering their players.

$5,000? It's nothing. It's frigging nothing. You spend What's a box at a Leafs game? So, like, was Chara fined a quarter of a box at a Leaf game or something like that? Mm-mm. It's stupid. It's stupid.

And you just get called salty. Oh, Leaf fan. Oh, Bruins. Either it's my hobby to say it's always you or it's always you. Like, I'm not saying, because people go, oh, you think the league favors the Bruins? No. I think it's the old thing from an old article that Justin Bourne wrote and Dustin Bufflin was mentioned.

He commits so many infractions that you can't call them all. Right. That's their whole team. That's the whole team. Zdeno Chara, I saw a great tweet, and it was, Zdeno Chara commits an infraction every shift. Which I think is true. Zdeno Chara, like, in terms of, like,

who are guys you want to play against in the playoffs, The rules called fairly, I want the Leafs to play Chara 100 times out of 100. He's slow and washed. If you actually call the rules, you should be able to burn him literally every shift. But he gets caught. So why don't they call the rules? Why doesn't the NHL just say call the rules? Because he's a great vet.

All of that will stop if they just call the rules. He has great Instagram quotes. And I'm sure he's a great conversationalist. And he's been in the league a long time. and veteran, you give the veteran the benefit of the... Cross-checked him in the mouth, man. And you're conceding that he did by fining him $5,000.

And a lot of people compared it to the Kadri suspension. I understand the difference, which is Kadri took a running start at it. Kadri's was worse. But was the difference an entire playoff

series and a $5,000 fine? I didn't see that There's an in between there that just doesn't seem right The only thing The only real thing there Is now Chara's a repeat offender If he does something else

But like he that's not gonna come up It was at least a game I thought so It didn't make sense Why can't you give a guy a game Just to say hey In our league cross check Stop this

Just don't do that And you could oh my stick rode up That was the defense of Gustav Nyquist Remember, Nyquist, that to me is still one of the most preposterous suspensions He got six games for spearing a guy in the face And the defense of it was, well, his stick got caught up in the boards And he didn't mean to Put your fucking stick down, you psycho

Right, right You speared a guy in the face So, Steve, if I pointed a gun at you and then I shot you in the head but i was like oh the safety was supposed to be on or it was supposed to be a warning shot it was supposed to be just past you but then i had to hit you with the face and killed you well i don't i don't get off because the gun rode up on your face and but shot you through the head no but you're a veteran of this podcast you know you get the veteran benefit of the day you've been here for you know six years i'm really tall you're really tall you fit the description right you're

a leader. Right. Everything. The long stick. It's $5,000 fine. $5,000 fine. There it is. One for every year you've been with the show or whatever it is. Do you want to go to Thursday? Let's go to Thursday. Let's go back in time to...

Thursday. Eric Chernak is laying on top of Zach Kassian. Kassian kicks him in the chest with his skate to get him off. It doesn't really injure him or make a dent because he hit him in the chest Protector but he does probably The dumbest thing you could ever do when you're

Wearing knife skates yes or knife Shoes I should say yes Just running around on ice and he gets Seven games for that Cassian does What do you make of this suspension I feel slightly bad for him because I don't know if there's any player In the league who is stupid enough to

Do that with a clear mind Yes however But that needs to be It needs To be using the bottoms of your feet using Shane Corson was suspended a playoff game

for straight up kicking like soccer ball kick and it was to the shin pad like a lot of people were like oh I hit him in the chest he's got like bulletproof equipment on it's a fucking skate it's a skate

he and okay sorry I'm getting caught up but one thing Oilers fans rightfully pointed out is Jeff Skinner did basically the same thing a few years ago and was suspended by Brendan Shanahan back when that was his position. Shanahan was notoriously heavy-handed with his suspensions. Skinner got two games.

And watching it, it's ridiculous. It shouldn't have gotten a game less than 10. It was absolutely ridiculous. You got to get the league's attention with a suspension for something like that. Chris Simon stomping on Yarko Rutu. 30 games. That cooked him. That was his career.

You know, some of the suspensions Matt Cook has gotten. Like, you gotta get the rest of the league's attention. Seven games just doesn't do it. No? I think they go, oh. Like, I think it's a high-pitched, you go up a couple octaves, oh, seven. What should it have been? It's gotta be at least 10.

And you thought this should have been... I tweeted 20. Dude, it's skate work. This should have been a attention grab, headline grabbing, this guy's out for 20 games. Forget, okay, he kicked him in the logo. And I hate that because with both these suspensions, it seems like people are just looking for excuses. Oh, the stick rode up. He didn't mean to hit him with it.

Oh, he kicked him in the chest where there's protection. What about what he did? Yeah, it's the action of what he did is what he should be suspended for. It's ridiculous that we're making excuses and being like, oh, but it didn't end up in the most dangerous way it could have. But no, he did the thing. Most bad things people do, I don't think they meant to. I've gotten a speeding ticket. I didn't know I was speeding.

Last time I got one, I looked down, I went, oh, shit. Your intention wasn't to speed, Steve. So we're going to wipe away this ticket and not give it to you because your intention wasn't there. $5 fine. $5 fine. There was no one else on the road, so you didn't injure anyone. It was protected. And you've been driving for a long time.

Yeah. Fuck it. Like, driving Boston, like, he's got a great Instagram. Right. No, and, you know, he kicked him in the chest, and it's well protected. Dude, Cernak shifts a certain way, Cassian, like, he was caught up in a pile of men. Like, what if he slips a little bit? What if he slices, like, there's an artery in your arm where you're done.

What if he kicked him in the face? What if he kicked him in the, like, your chest and your face are kind of, what if he kicked him anywhere? In a league where, like, wasn't Brendan Perlini just had his nose half-sliced off by a skate? Complete accident. There was Richard Zednick just a few years ago, got his carotid artery cut. That was an accident. You had Clint Malarchuk don't even want to go there. Complete accident.

It's bad enough the players are doing something on friggin' purpose. David Amber said on Saturday, he said, when you're six years old and you first learn hockey, it's the first thing they teach you. it's like a six-year-old knows not to use your skate blade as a weapon or kick anything when you're on the ice because the most dangerous thing you could ever do in the sport because it ruins the sport because you're using the dangerous equipment as a weapon and how about this jesse this should tell you this should tell you where the nhl is at because the first example that i saw that people brought up like oh what's the precedent here what's the precedent i thought

the Jeff Skinner one was the most accurate one, but what was the last time someone was suspended for a stomp? And the example that people brought up was Ryan Kessler getting stomped on by Chris Pronger, the guy who had the job before Peros did!

A guy who stomped on another guy was in charge of handing out suspensions?! How many did he get? Uh... I don't remember. Oh, okay. It wasn't a ton. I think it was in the playoffs. Playoffs count for two, apparently. Skate infractions should...

I'm failing to see an argument against 20 and up. Dude, it's a skate infraction. It is a weapon. It's a weapon. It's not a blunt weapon, like a stick, which is still bad. You can't swing it at someone's head or whatever. It's a knife. You're wearing knives. Plural Cause of Double edge You got two Yes

So you're wearing four You got all kinds of knives On your feet Don't use them Gordon Ramsay Like Yeah I

Yes Yes Who used his feet For a living Before he became a chef What did he do He was a soccer player No way

He played footy I didn't know that At a high level Yeah High enough I can't remember Exactly how high But yeah

I didn't know that Yes Amazing dude Yes From Glasgow And then Saturday, yesterday, Evander Kane is hounding down Neil Pionk all game. Finally, he gets him in the corner and viciously elbows him in the head. It is clearly a suspension.

Which you can't do. No. Gets suspended three games, fourth suspension of his career. He's not happy at all. So he hops on Twitter, types up a note on his iPhone. Which, at the time we're recording this podcast, he hasn't been punished for. I fully expect him to be. Yeah, you think he should get another fine or something on top of this.

I know, next time he does something, and he will do something, that's just the type of player he is. Like, he plays with fire. He's going to get clobbered next time. This will be the fifth time next time. It'll be crazy. And that, to me, is it. He's, why didn't this one get, why didn't, listen. Evander Kane is, it's that meme, terrible.

The worst person you know makes a great point. Like, this guy has been suspended a bunch of times, probably should have been, deserved three games this time. But he does make up a point that it is, well, I guess you're about to. Let me read what he wrote on Twitter. So he said, The fact that the NHL Department of Player Safety, headed by George Peros,

continues to pick and choose who and what they suspend is ridiculous. There have been countless incidents of the same nature through this season and past seasons that have gone unsuspended or fined. No one person can tell you what is or isn't a suspension in today's game. It's become a complete guess. There is a major lack of consistency

with NHL Department of Player Safety, a completely flawed system in so many ways. From the suspensions to appeal rights, it's baffling to me how we as players agree to this. You can't continue to give some players a pass and throw the book at others. There has to be A outside third party

Making these decisions to remove the bias That transpires in this department Headed by George Peros None of it makes any sense There's a lot in there First of all The middle portion where he says Nobody knows what a suspension is

In today's game Fact Factual information that he wrote down And posted on Twitter We just went through two suspensions that nobody really knows How many games they should get Or if there's suspension We never have any idea

What anyone's gonna get But Then he continues And First of all Him trying to make a defense For what he did No

What you did If Andrew Kane is a suspension You should get three games Which is what this is born out of Right This is born out of his frustration That he got three games Which is ridiculous

He 100% deserved three games Yeah So I don't But I'm failing to locate the lies His larger point Is definitely true No one knows what anyone's gonna get

And Dude Like, the fact that Peros is handing out suspensions and fines and whatever, he's in charge of, you know, being the judge for guys he played with and against. Like, how many games did Peros have with Chara? It was probably a bunch. I know he spent most of his career in the West, but, like, you know, that makes me uncomfortable.

It makes me uncomfortable. Would that apply to Shanahan, too? Yes. Yes. It makes me uncomfortable that there are players Who are put in charge Of suspending their buddies That's a terrible system

I think Can you avoid that? Because I don't think a third party is the answer I think you keep it internally Like how the rest of sports does it You create a department It probably shouldn't just be one guy I don't know how it works

If Peros consults with a board or whatever But maybe it's some other method But an outside party isn't the way to go This is the players valuing money over safety That's what this is In what way? If they valued safety over money The fines would be a lot more than $5,000

And suspensions would be stiffer But the more games you get suspended The more money you lose The more money the pot loses Right So there's no incentive to up suspensions Unless you're really keen On advocating for heavier safety

Which I just don't believe they are It's this boys club You know what Whatever boys It's a war out there But we're all friends afterward We worked hard to get to the show And don't take food off my plate

And whatever The team will pay for my injury Doesn't matter But if the Players Association Valued safety more than money We'd see a change immediately When's the CBA up? Two years from now?

One year? I'm not totally sure Because they had that opt-out Yeah And I can't remember exactly how they were It's relatively soon I want to say 22 or 23 I think 22

22? I'm not totally sure Because it's clearly a broken part of the game right now It was eight years with an option for 10 And I think they picked up the option Now they're heading for 10 So I think it's 2022 Sorry

Yeah, it seems like this is a broken part of the game. Nobody knows how regulated the game should be and what happens after something that's clearly unsafe happens. And look at Habs fans this morning. It wasn't necessarily a suspension scenario, but they're losing their minds now. Brendan Gallagher especially because of what happened last night against Dallas. And what happened last night?

They had a 3-0 lead. They could not get a call to save their life. And they ended up losing in overtime Beautiful game winner from Tyler Sagan But like Max Domi is like fielding questions About the officiating with blood Pouring out of his mouth like the Joker

Oh gosh Because people were saying he looked like the Joker Kinda and I think he went as the Joker For Halloween sort of embrace it He's pouring blood out of his mouth while he's answering Questions from at least one Miss High Stick I think it was two So now that's getting into

a different conversation. About the officiating on the ice. Yeah, but we already know the mandate is to have a more violent game. The mandate is to get back to what it was a few years ago. So, if the PA isn't going to advocate for safety, and the NHL is actively advocating for the opposite of

safety, what makes you think there's going to be longer suspensions? It's not going to happen. Because the goal is to not have the game played on power plays, is what you hear. You know, you don't want the game to be played on 5 and 5, so there allowing all these other things, but

all those other things are infractions against the rulebook, so you're not playing the game as it's played, you know? No, and I don't have a problem, listen getting rid of enforcers was just following the tide it was following the signs this is where the game is going

we need, you know, you can go smaller you can go all speed and finesse we don't need an enforcer because that's in the past the way the NHL is going I want a Kyle Clifford on my team Yeah Because it's going backward

We're literally going backward We're going back to what it was a few years ago So you know The Leafs going out and getting an enforcer Other teams going out Like I don't know because You can get cross checked into the teeth

And it's nothing Yeah When the whistles like When the game stops Somebody A six foot nine guy can just come up to you And put a stick in your face Yeah

It's ridiculous The biggest player in hockey history can cross-check you in the mouth, and it's nothing. I don't—this doesn't get fixed quick. I don't know what the solution is here, because neither side seems to want to fix it. That's why I think the solution is a third party, because the PA and the league are both so out to lunch on this. But when a third party comes around, then you need to outline the rules differently. Well you have to First of all

You have to outline the rules Right At all And whoever the third party is I would imagine They'll be super duper heavy On the punishment side And you'll start to see things

Like a kick to the chest That's 30 games That's half the season I wouldn't be surprised to see For certain infractions 41 game suspensions You're out half the season For that stupid thing you did

I got a sad note for you Uh oh I don't think it's ever gonna happen Steve Oh no That's fine I'm sorry It's not going to happen because hockey isn't

Let's put it As plainly as possible The sport is not interested In progress They're happy With the way things are And until They're interested in generating more revenue

Which they are They are you know bringing in all these Teams and okay like find your niche i guess we'll just keep being the xfl of sports i guess even though we don't even know if the xfl friggin works you know like i i don't get it and well no i do get it i think i outlined it pretty plainly um you know i'm just speaking my mind here i don't think either party is interested in safety they're interested in brendan gallagher shut your fucking mouth and don't complain about officiating

because our officials, our impartial officials will literally tell you, go fuck yourself on a loud mic. I wish we could play. I don't think we could play the audio. I mean, you'll only hear what I just said. Do you have the name of the referee? Dean Morton, was it?

I think you're correct. So last night, Dean Morton, who's reffing the Stars-Canadians game, Is picked up on live television saying go fuck yourself to Brendan Gallagher Yeah, and it was from TVA who who tweeted it out. The ref tells Brendan Gallagher. Yeah, Dean Morton This is from Arpen Basu. You can quite clearly hear Dean Morton Tell Brendan Gallagher go fuck yourself in this video now a lot of people rightly pointed out Like dude, did you never play hockey growing up like refs do this all the time?

Maybe they should Like, refs are, they're clearly, they take everything personally. I think that's the case in the NBA, where you can get ejected from a game for staring. I think that's, it's the worst in baseball. Where, did you see that ejection from a college game the other day? No. The guy literally just dragged his bat through the dirt, like, for a split second. I don't even know if he said anything.

And the ump's like, you're gone. And the guy's like, why, what did I do? And then there's this in the NHL. I still remember, and I've struggled to find the clip, when the Leafs were first in HBO 24-7, when they were playing Mike Babcock's Detroit Red Wings in the Winter Classic, the lead-up, there was a Penguins game, Deion Phaneuf was still on the Leafs, and he was going at Harry Zolnerchuk all game, the Penguins had like a middleweight goon sort of come up, and they were going at each other all game, the refs told him knock it off, knock it off, knock it off,

And the mic like on HBO picks up the ref going. All right, we fuck both you guys Captain of the team Fuck both you guys said that to a team's captain. Mm-hmm But how does how does anybody look at this clip like they're scrolling through Twitter? You're an average hockey fan and you see a ref telling your favorite player on your favorite team to go fuck yourself How do you sit there and be like, oh this game is fair and unbiased. Yeah. Okay, you're already mad So Habs fans were already mad at the non-calls. Then after the game, you find out he said go fuck yourself

and skated towards the Dallas Stars as they were heading off, which was a little on the nose, I thought. It's ridiculous. Sorry, this is just Habs fan Steve talking. I'm just speaking my truth. I'm just speaking the way I saw it. I still don't have a solution to how the NHL fixes this issue because it's clearly a huge issue.

They have players they like and players they don't like. And they call the games thusly That's how it works And that is so incredibly unfair That's it Like I'm sorry Should I expand on that? No

It's just It's a sad reality to exist in We make the argument that happens in other sports Like I know Adam said Oh it's the NBA You know LeBron will get a call Before Terrence Davis

Or whatever But That's different To me A little bit I mean, that's also unfair. It's also unfair, but that's kind of just how the game works, you know? But here, it seems like it's...

Go fuck yourself. It's a different level. It seems anger towards players in certain instances, if they're acting certain ways that the officials don't like. It seems teams getting make-up calls when there aren't calls to be made. You always bring up that stat about how power plays and shorthanded and penalty kills always kind of line up. Yeah, except for the Ducks.

That was the one team. Kadri was one of the best at drawing penalties in the NHL for three years. The following three years, he couldn't get a call if he was knifed in the back. Because they're working. They've got to make it even. Well, you know, he was showing us up. He was showing us up. That's what it's about.

And then there's the next layer where it's the suspensions. And when guys do infractions on the ice, sometimes it never gets called. and then even when they go to Toronto and they tell George Peros to make a decision on it, it's never enough. How about this? Dennis Weidman. The Flames are one of the cleanest teams in the league

in terms of not taking penalties. The next year, they are so in the red that they had to talk to the league about we can't get a call. We literally can't get a call because every ref in the league is mad at our team that one of our players temporarily lost their mind and hit one of them from behind.

Dennis Wyman accidentally slid into official after he was running at him, yeah. Now, you know, we can get into a conversation that serves you right. Didn't he have 20 games for that? Yeah, but I think it was reduced to 12, but he had already sat out the 20 games, and I think he got money back. It was a mess. See, and that's still worse than kicking a guy with a knife in his chest, you know? I think attacking a defenseless friend is pretty fucked.

It's pretty bad, but also is kicking a guy with a knife, you know? They're both terrible, but one, clearly the NHL has outlined one is more terrible. Yes. Which doesn't make sense. Anyways. I don't get any of it. It is, listen, from the hurricane of a conversation we just had, I think we've pretty clearly illustrated it's a clusterfuck, and it needs to be fixed.

On Friday, Minnesota fired Bruce Boudreaux. Well, Bill Guerin specifically fired him. A lot has happened. The team blew a 3-1 lead to the Rangers on Thursday in a shootout loss, and they got fired on Friday. He's the eighth head coach to be fired this season. Oh, my God. Yeah, Guerin was Boudreaux's third GM.

He was hired by Chuck Fletcher, and then Paul Fenton took over, and then Guerin took over. And then he's coached for four seasons I don't know To me it looks really strange Because they're 7-3-1 In their last 11 games They're three points out of a playoff spot

They might make it Yeah, they're trending towards a playoff spot They just made the Zucker deal So they're kind of half They're half rebuilding But also they're getting to a playoff spot And then Garen comes out

And he says the assistant coach Dave Eason is going to be the interim head coach for the rest of the season and that the team will conduct a full coaching search in the offseason, which makes no sense because if you're going to get rid of Boudreaux now, why not just do it in the offseason when you're planning on making the coaching change? If you're going to get rid of Boudreaux now, I thought it would be because you want to bring in one of the guys who are on the market. Something must have been said.

You want to bring in Laviolette or Babcock or Gallant. Anyone. Anyone, but he just randomly gets rid of them after he goes 7-3-1? It's one thing, yeah. What do you think is going on here? You ask a guy to bring in one of the guys on the market because you don't want them going to another team. But, yeah, they're just letting this guy rot, I guess. Or, I gotta think something was said.

You think Bujo said something? I think there was some sort of, I think there was a really loud argument between them. Literally guessing Completely making that up Because it's the only thing to me that makes sense Like you said They're trending upwards They had one bad game

Did Garen see something in that game That's a symptom of Their whole season I don't know But like you said He already sort of seems to be committed to It's like he's Actively trying to make the team worse

Like you trade Jason Zucker You fire the coach Those are things a GM does When they're tearing down the set But you're playing well So like Maybe he doesn't believe in the team Like maybe he doesn't believe the last 11 games

Are any indicator of their future And that's Smart or could be But also if the coach Is doing well with a roster you don't believe in Then maybe he's a good coach right yes yes that's a great point yeah okay you don't believe in the team but is that's the move you make dimitri filipovich i think it was had the tweet

that listen history has shown that the team who fires bruce boudreaux will get worse and the team that hires him will get better that's how this works so for them to fire him when they did or at all makes no sense unless there was a really Unless there was a mutual departure It could be that Hmm I mean that would be a weird look Bruce Boudreaux leaves

Minnesota Wild Quits Or something like that That would be a weird look But this is a very You know Paul Fenton is long gone And Minnesota continues to be One of the most mystifying teams

In the whole league Paul Fenton did get rehired by the way Oh where is he now? I believe he's a scout with the Blue Jackets Oh Yes Scout life. He's one of those guys where I think he does know some things.

He can evaluate hockey. Cannot be a manager. And there's nothing wrong with that. Do what you're best at. Yeah, who wrote that piece in The Athletic that we love so much? Michael Russo. Michael Russo. It is the best scorched earth takedown of anybody since whatever that Hartford article about Pierre Maguire in 1994.

for it's so I'm gonna go home and read it again it's real good and lastly before we talk a little bit more about our ps4 troubles oh my god because we need to go off um Dan Carcillo and Paul Bizonet are having a feud a feud on twitter that is evolving as we speak I saw Biz had more tweets about it and i don't know it seems like the sort of thing that maybe we shouldn't talk too too much about until it's like done right you know what i mean so i'm just gonna lay it out here just things that happen uh jeremy ronick was fired from nbc for comments he made against uh one of his co-workers on a on the barstool podcast on spitting chiclets yes uh dan carcillo ronick Ended up posting on Twitter about how he thought he was outraged and now he's disappointed that NBC let him go.

Dan Carcillo. Okay. And a lot of people defending what he did. Which is crazy. You go to work on Tuesday and try the same thing. See how it goes. Right. Leave it at that.

That's it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You'll be fired as well. Yes. Dan Garcillo, he tweets a Globe and Mail article about how he caused a damage control after the fallout with Rodick, I believe. Well, and the article was about how Paul Bissonnette is this rising star in the sports, etc., etc., which he is. He's, I would argue, the biggest personality in hockey media.

That we've seen a long time. Name another one. Like, it was previously Don Cherry. There's an argument for Ron McClain. I think it's Biz. All right. And Dan was saying how he felt Biz's role was being, he was filling that Cherry Roenick role in hockey media,

which I don't know, however you want to take that, you can. It was a weird take. Right. It was a little shoehorned. And there are people that have a problem with biz and chiclets and barstool and those are all their reasons and whatever. But this particular beef seemed a little misplaced. Exactly. It seemed like, and then we're learning now as it's ongoing, that there's a personal disagreement between.

Super duper personal. Oh, it's not a disagreement. Well, just things that have happened in their history between Dan and Paul. And we won't get into the specifics because it's real dirty and kind of gross and evolving and not fun. But they've been going back and forth on Twitter. And Paul has accused Dan of having, calling him very derogatory terms. And then Dan's been very upfront about how he's been a damaged individual and how he's done all these things. And now his life is about making amends for all of that.

Yes, and it's, that guy's in a tough spot, man, because it sounds like he's really trying hard to make amends, and at the same time, he really seems like he sucked, you know, and like, what is the lesson to be learned here? If you suck, just lean into it and always suck, or try to make amends, is the lesson don't throw stones in glass houses because he was being left alone until he went at a guy that he had previously wronged right but he says he already apologized for that like you said it's pretty gross um it's evolving i don't imagine we're gonna get a messy or sorry i don't imagine we're gonna get a clean end to it uh a lot of people are happy for the wrong reasons today there's a lot of

people choosing sides in this and it's not something you should be choosing sides and getting involved in this seems to be a dispute between two people that they're having very publicly which i don't feel like it's helping any of the conversation yeah and they want a neutral platform to have a debate on or not a debate a discussion on and for a split second my dumb little brain was like well we have a show and i'm like absolutely not no absolutely you guys are both adults you friggin deal with it right and uh biz biz did come out and say that he'll address it on a spit and chiclets that he's not going to any neutral he'll talk about it on chiclets which he should do that's his outlet it is his outlet but i don't i don't know it just

listen we're not listen everyone who thinks they're right thinks they're right and that's basically i think the way it's gonna stay thinks they're wrong yeah and more people are going to listen to the next episode of spit and chocolates because they want to know what biz now has to say right and dan carcillo clearly has a very um messy past that yes we don't know how you resolve it in what way and what he does that helps the situation who he's now as a person like how much of that do you take into account when you're evaluating his character well if adam was here he would tell us the same story that uh that when he was hosting with ashley docking you know what is how how do you believe if someone has changed and she said receipts dan's got lots

of receipts but now his life is it seems two big piles of receipts and they're very different and contradictory right so yeah and then just to wrap it up you have to question just how they're having this you know is like neither of them should be doing this on a public on twitter you know that twitter is already the place where you shouldn't talk with anybody about anything serious and to have this level of conversation on twitter is just not the right place i bet if you i bet if you ask biz today he'd probably say he wished he never tweeted that yesterday Yeah It seemed like

Listen, I think it's fairly obvious From the reaction that a lot Of the hockey world Was chomping at the bit for someone to be the first To go at Carcillo with a specific Account Right, Jeff O'Neill was going At him months ago

And then there was this from Biz I think there's been others And Biz, the Bill Peters Podcast that they had where they were talking About all that you could like biz was really holding back and he brought up dan by name and here it is but i i bet he wishes and like you know the people going at like carcillo's family like that's ridiculous off that and and biz said obviously not to do that

not that they're gonna friggin listen i don't like you said it's i i feel icky that it's happening the way it's happening especially like we've had dan on the show i've obviously talked to biz a few times i don't have personal issues with either of them it also but it also speaks to a sadder point about hockey in general i guess sports culture in general and guys locker rooms in general and just arguments amongst humans in general that nasty stuff is going on and it's not fun i never get any type of enjoyment out of this stuff yeah you know i don't even like following it that much guys you need girls in your life like just to freaking correct you i mean to put it bluntly they're just nice people or just tell you hey none of this should have happened like where

were the people in that locker room at the time who stopped all this stuff right because then there's Dan's video and he was saying but yeah it's I mean we've talked about it on the show like the the idea of being a pro anything is wild to me like like especially pro hockey where you're basically especially

if you go the OHL route like you're just like abducted from the age of 16 and shoved with another like what with 20 to 30 16 year old boys and you just raise yourselves Even younger If you have talent at the age of like

10 and 9 like they'll put you in In places where you're going to play a high level Hockey starting at like 9 and 10 And how are we supposed to expect that To work out And like this strikes me as It strikes me As exactly the sort of

Thing like Biz doesn't Need right now because people are Talking about him As what he is which is the biggest rising star in hockey media. Where's the lie? Like, that guy, he looked exhausted every time I saw him at the All-Star weekend because he was always going to and fro and, like, he had to keep looking at his phone,

like, where am I going next? You want everybody to be talking about the good things you're doing right now and all the stuff you're doing in media. That's been great. And now the first thing that's going to come to mind is, oh, you got in this crazy feud with Dan Carcillo and you've said all this crazy stuff in the past and he's did all this crazy stuff in the past. Talk about how you're one of the only shows that gets actual answers out of players.

Right. He had Scott Gomez and Sean Avery on at the same time to talk about the waving in Broder's face thing. And it's hilarious. You know, he had all these guys on. He has more hits than misses when it comes to player interviews, right? And now that's all. We're sitting here talking about this. This messy situation.

I hope they work it out. Yeah. I hope they work it out. It won't be here. Now I hope it's not on Twitter for crying out loud and to wrap it up PlayStation won't let us play PlayStation today. Okay, so allow us to get really old so I was playing this earlier, but in order to play a ps4 game offline meaning not on the Internet Just like to click the file and to just load it on you know

We're not talking about playing online just playing the game and like play now mode on your system ones now you You either need to activate your PS4 that you're trying to play as the primary device. Yes. Which I hadn't done because I didn't know it existed. Why do you have to tell the PlayStation that its primary device is to be itself? Or you have to be connected to the internet, which we can't do in this building. Right. It's a dirty corporate bill.

So we have no choice but to not. It is now a brick. I can't use it. I can't play any of the games. Until you bring it home. Until I bring it home and I connect it to the internet. But here, in this building, it is a brick. And I just wish they would just let me play the game that I paid for and download it onto the hard drive.

And it's on the device! It's there! All the NHLs from NHL 16 load it onto the hard drive. I saw it, it was wild. It's like the only thing you play. It's literally the only game I play. And it's all there, and I can't click any of them because it's not a primary PS4 device. That is so dumb.

Dude, I haven't been able to play GTA 5 forever, and I like revisiting it because it's a dumb, goofy game. But I can't log into my Microsoft account. I'm like, I have the physical disc. Right. I have the actual disc. What do I need to sign into anything for? Yeah, why can't you just put in a disc into your system and play the game? Like, what is it for?

A theft? You stole the game from me that I bought from you! Let me play it! Right. Yeah, what are they protecting you against? Back in my day, if I could have an old moment, if you owned a game, you could play it. What's wrong? What's wrong with that world?

I want to go back to it. I have a N64 in my office, too, that I have here. And I just didn't want to bring over the TV because I have an old, old one of the old TVs. The TV could literally fit on this speaker right here. Right. It's like the size of a head. Tamagotchi. Yeah.

You plug in the red in. Oh, none of you kids know what Tamagotchis are? Anyway. But yeah, I didn't want to bring that over because I was upset. We don't get our NHL 20 game. What N64 games do you have so I know what I'm missing out on? Mario. I got Ocarina of Time.

Okay. I don't know that one. Zelda. Zelda. I've never played a Zelda game. Oh, I'd never played one either until like a couple months ago. Maybe I'll treat it like Harry Potter and just rediscover all the Zelda games. You're going to love it.

Yeah. Well, I got like 30 years worth of Zelda to catch up on, so. Smash Bros. Good on that. Yes. I would be Yoshi and lose to you Like I did to the Bar Town guys I just think

If you're gonna make a video game system Where you're supposed to play video games On it, you should be able to play Video games on it and not have to be On the internet Do you think it's funny how? I think it's funny how, so screw you Sony and EA Sports

Until you want to give us money And then we'll, everything's cool Not screw you at all, I better go home And probably just plug in my PS4 Just, buddy, that's how I got my new iPhone 11 Pro. Just scream. They broke my PS4. Just say it enough times and you'll get it.

They broke my PS4. No? No. It's not mine. I can't yell it. Otherwise, I'd be lying. But they broke yours. They broke it.

Don't you have all three systems right now? Switch and Xbone and PS4? Yep. I'm living the dream that I always had as a kid and have no time to play them. That's not true. I play, yeah, like, I don't know. I play like 45 minutes of video games a day or something like that. Really?

If I'm lucky. That's pretty good. If I'm lucky. I shouldn't say per day. No, that's not true. That was good to say. Fridays are heavy. That's Dangle Navy Night.

Oh, yeah? We usually do pretty well until Ian Tulloch joins the party. And then he's my lefty and he sucks. Who's on the team? What's Tulloch? Tulloch. Butter. Butter434, he's our goalie

He's trash, and he knows it There's LeeFanNick Who is like our hot sniper There's ChunkyChow Who we just rip on For being a Jets fan And he hates that they re-signed Paul Maurice and we make fun of him And TicTacTomar

Is our star center Who I gotta say MIP Most improved player Definitely, he used to be a liability Pascal Siakam Yep, he used to be a liability in the face-off circle And the only goals he ever scored went off his skate

Now he's a legit threat in front of the net Tic-tac-toe, Omar Alright, what happens in the game tonight? Final score 9-3 Leafs Can you imagine? That'd be awesome If I was right

That would be awesome No, uh... I was gonna say 4-3 Leafs Which you'll notice is a win, and that's great, but I don't even want Freddie to allow three He's got to allow two or less Like to he's really he's got to bring me back on to Team Freddie here Cuz right now like Jack Campbell is my He's a weighted blanket right now. He's

Keeping me warm. And he's so positive? So positive. He's calming my anxiety. I just want to pinch his cheeks Mmm, new starter. Jack Campbell. There's Freddie He's gotta get me excited again for Freddy 2-1 3-2 2-0 1-0 6-1

6-1 Leafs We'll be back I hope Monday Tomorrow Tomorrow, yeah Tomorrow afternoon

And then hopefully we'll be playing some video games on that podcast And then when's our next one? After tomorrow Not till the following Sunday Aight Yeah, we might record some other content Maybe we'll release it at the end of the week We'll find out

Can I throw out some book dates? Oh my god, please. So, I keep advertising this on my channel. Here's this for you. Saturday, February 22nd. I'm going to be in Belleville from 12pm to 3pm. And I'll, can we put this in the description? For all the, yeah, there you go.

So I'll give you the exact addresses. February 29th, because we have one of those this year. Waterloo from 11 in the morning till 2pm, March 7th I'm going to be at the Peterborough-Pete's game, that's pre-game and first intermission I think that's Peterborough-Pete's playing Peterborough

March 21st, this is the one I need you the most for, I'm going to be in Windsor from 1-3pm dude, Windsor is so friggin' far please come, if you live in the Windsor area Detroit, any of those

If you're from, you know what, drive from Ottawa to Windsor. Just do it. March 28th, we got Guelph, noon to 3. April 4th, we have Kingston, noon to 3. And just added April 11th, Burlington from 1pm to 3pm at a place called A Different Drummer Books. So, April 11th, the reason I was worried about that is that goes into the playoffs. But it's early in the afternoon, so who cares? Oh, there we go.

Fun. Yes. do you think people are going to come out and see you i hope so i'll be sad otherwise uh people should start bringing their dogs wouldn't that be fun it would be okay so i've already my dream is to have a signing at the dog park uh the harmony valley dog park and do it what's stopping you uh what's stopping me is it's Well, what if Okay, the plan is shot if it rains

So Find a day that's not raining You know, Jesse makes a great point Build a tent. Tents exist I will build a tent. And yeah, the dogs won't care It's you. Yeah Why are you being such a friggin' goof? So yeah, we'll be back Monday afternoon

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