The Steve Dangle Podcast - Let's be Frank | November 19, 2021

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Connor McDavid does Connor McDavid things again and tells John Tortorella to shut up (00:00). Jim Benning speaks to the media as the Vancouver Canucks continue to struggle (22:00), the Leafs have won five straight games and should Jack Campbell make Team U.S.A.? (58:00). Dallas Stars head coach scratches Riley Tufte in his first game in his home town of Minnesota (1:08:00), and Ian Mendes says Daniel Alfredsson needs to be in the Hall of Fame. (1:21:00). Originally aired: November 19, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/i9B8rvgcJfk Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://betterhelp.com/SDP https://betmgm.com/ Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

i got an idea how about you just shut up you just shut up maybe change your game best player in the world you can't just outscore opponents and win games in the playoffs no said the guy who's won one playoff series in the last decade and it was against the leafs fart oh wait no you're talking about the tampa one because the columbus beat tampa but then and then the fake playoff series against the fake playoffs doesn't count fart we should uh go easy on the leafs they were a lottery team two years ago what is that what the leafs were a lottery team two years ago are you talking about when they gave up their first round pick to carolina no they were the year they lost to columbus they were in the lottery oh this was on tv during the draft lottery

and all of the everything i just said is factual oh my god i forgot about that a year and a half ago were a lottery team and now easy on they've won 10 of their last 11 and the only game in their last 11 that they lost is one that i was there for because this is about you it is look at this super duper pooper network it doesn't stand for steven angle pot it's super who's on the card who's on the bottle who's on the mug me imagine if i was like that we should have a contest for who can come up with the best acronym meaning for sdpn super do that be a contest what are we giving away poo no i don't know no we'll figure it out network's the last word but what's the sdp super duper poo network super duper pooper network

be anything you want it to be we'll figure it out um connor mcdavid says before the game maybe i should just shut up and then proceeds to destroy the team he's playing now it really doesn't matter who conor mcdavid's facing what he did last night and what he's done for the last couple of games where he just walks through people and the and honestly the the goal that prompted the conversation for john tortorella tell him to shut up led to one of i think the more interesting moments in conor mcdavid's off ice career which was yesterday conor mcdavid doesn't say much he you could tell he's frustrated uh sometimes it's during the headlights look when he's upset he also didn't ask for this moment no this is not a moment this was foisted upon him he

he did retirement on jerome mcginley oh how dare you that's hockey hall of famer jerome mcginley no because mcdavid made these comments but they were some months ago i'm i'm pretty sure sure and it just happened to be brought up on espn and now all of a sudden he's at the center of this story that he didn't really say anything for because john tortorella i mean it's the right move to have john tortorella on tv he does get a reaction doesn't he even when he's not yelling and screaming well so so this is this is the thing um i i think that connor mcdavid saying i guess i should just shut up that's the key that's the key to this that is and and people were actually debating me on this on twitter i'm like literally you could throw anything on twitter you can be like this

is the color red people be like actually it's more of a light orange yeah so it's not a good place for conversation 100 no so it's bad for your brain connor mcdavid said something connor mcdavid spoke up and said what do we always say about change in the nhl what does it take uh several generations and a lot of complaining okay but also the star players to step up and say something right oh yeah that's why my answer was more right my answer is the thing that happens your answer is what should happen what should happen but it's not gonna happen unless the star players speak up you know we talked about it last episode you talked about sydney crosby judo flipping a guy on the capitals which actually happened happened and you know he had to adapt

his game and and mcdavid is like doing the flying gordies with his elbows right he's just dropping elbows like it's out of style and it's funny you shouldn't have to do that right no he shouldn't have to do that that's the evolution in his game the amount of people the amount of people who did not take that statement for what it was they're like he didn't say anything he just repeated what tortorella said fucking exactly exactly why that's the point no it was a dig at torts like he clapped back at the guy who told him to shut up you know why because torts is wrong and the idea but now torts is correct about the nhl but the sentiment the theory the whole reason behind it is wrong you ever get a tweet from someone and you're like i wish i would take

your license away right now yes anyone who's all he did was repeat it back i i don't feel safe on the road with you i don't i don't no one should give me your license right now you're not competent enough to operate a motor vehicle if you don't understand the nuance of holy shitting what he was talking about and the other thing adam goodness i'm so glad that yesterday people they pulled out their box their big box full of receipts oh and the receipts are full of numbers and you know what the number said connor mcdavid draws more penalties than any other player in the nhl no they didn't say that they did say that that was sarcasm nope they said it who said they pulled out the numbers okay and they showed it to me and they said explain this yeah yeah

no explain this stupid i don't think that happened it happens okay it happens they said he draws more penalties than any other player in the nhl explain that smart one and at that moment the compartment in my brain containing my fucking memory of all the shit i've scene exploded it just blew up and i instantly forgot every instance of conor mcdavid ever getting mugged particularly in the playoffs ever and it going uncalled i'm so glad that that number you put in front of me just sent a missile into my head and blew up those pesky memories of all the shit i've actually seen with my own two eyes again give me your license holy shit stop shaking no i shan't the the guy with the subwoofer is gonna be really mad you know what add him to the

list give me the license subwoofer guy no i'm trying to i'm trying to lower the lower range i'm trying to get rid of the lower range of this podcast so we don't disturb the subwoofers out there fine you keep the license here it's called the brown note that is one of the funniest episodes of south park ever with kenny g okay for how many listeners did your bumper just fall off so so people are saying that he draws more penalties than any other player yep we didn't weep but in the playoffs he drew zero penalties what in the playoffs last season he drew zero penalties jesse ignore the facts the facts you're ignoring the facts which are he he takes he he draws the most penalties no but he

drew zero but the facts are that he draws the most the only place it matters i'm stanley got playoffs he drew zero i'm sorry but he draws the most penalties if we're gonna talk about zero how about zero zero one hundred percentile that's what he's in during the regular season for penalties drawn he's in the 100th percentile he's one of one answer that one stupid dummy big dummy how do people get through the day okay my god yo when we talk about hockey stuff i'm like i'm so glad i'm not a politician can you imagine the way people debate shit now i'm like i could never do this like sometimes in hockey i'm like i gotta i gotta delete this app this is insane i one of the best things i

ever did for my own anxiety as i stopped going on public freak out on reddit because it it was just people at you know what they love in the states is a good old podium having like a parent teacher meeting oh yeah they love having hey you know what'll help our very tiny local school if 100 actually out of their mind people come up to the stage and give us exactly three minutes of their zany opinions that that is actually it's happening more and more the new york times did a huge expose on that we won't get into it but my girlfriend's been like completely enraptured by that so by virtue i've been absorbing it and they've done like a podcast series and article series on like like think tanks infiltrating the school system it's crazy well and how do you

i always think about the people working those events oh and i'm like how do you possibly for six seven eight hours a day sit there and actually pay attention how do you not just i went to school for this i went to school for this i went to school for this i went to school for this how do you not just disassociate for that entire time to the point where drool is actually dribbling down your chin when it comes to this type of debate with mcdavid though like there isn't this is this is why adam gets the big bucks there isn't there is not an argument here it there is not an argument to be had here numbers there's there's one there's no there's one there's one argument there's no argument shove it up your ass like there is

sometimes on a subject the truth is the truth and there is no two ways to look at it and this is one of those times what's the truth the truth is that of course connor mcdavid draws the most penalties in the regular season he's always got the puck and they can't stop him and then on top of that in the playoffs what do we know the rules change everybody the rules change and the penalties stop coming i wonder why that is could it be because they call the game differently and they never admit to that openly i guess it is and the rules work in first of all it's not just a mcdavid thing it's a star player thing sure so it's basically take your favorite team take your team's best player am i talking about them yes that one but it works in the inverse because i

remember justin bourne writing an article it's it's amazing how often i bring up his work like how often something i read of his years ago it's still in my brain but he was talking about dustin bufflin who for a very long time was one of the most penalized players in the entire league and the point that he made i think it was on his famous list players you don't want to play against when you're hungover oh that's a great list it's a great idea like brendan gallagher was on it the sardines oh it was it was great um but basically for every penalty that dustin bufflin takes and he takes more than almost anybody else for every penalty that he takes there's three or four that they don't call because they're not going to call them all right they're just not going to call them

all so when everything you do is an infraction it's cool because you're going to get away with it like 80 of the time play the odds play the odds hack and slash everybody take the amount of penalties chris pronger got in his entire career and at least quintuple it for what he should have got that dude would he could dry clothes on your spine in front of the nets that dude was playing the xylophone on spooky scary skeleton can i ask can i ask a serious question about that though okay i understand the rule where you can push off a person yeah uh because that's always existed but why do we have to accept nhl stars getting cross-checked at all and or or nhl players getting cross-checked at all like i'd be fine with them getting away from

the push-off rule because so many so many defensemen use that as i'm just going to break my stick over your your hips yes and i i don't think like let me ask you seriously honestly what does it add to the game to make it more entertaining if you if you push somebody off with your stick what you're doing is you're separating the bodies what i'd prefer is to see a defenseman physically with their chest and shoulder move a guy out of the way of the net that to me is far more compelling than than this this clean and jerk thing that they've got going on yeah i would never play that way obviously but because i'm a bad player if i was getting paid millions of dollars and my livelihood

was on the line, that's what I would do. Because I'm shit. I'm garbage at the sport. If I was actually strong on my skates, I'd try to shove the guy, but I'm not. So I'm going to literally blunt force try to break my skates. Snick on the guy. Right now in hockey,

there's a whole other game that's being played when two players are in front of the net. You're jockeying for position to block the goalie and get the other guy away from the goalie to not block him. In the rules right now, you're allowed to do anything in those in that area when you're in the little crease area in front of the goalie you can do anything and they're not going to call it because it's understood that right there is war

and you guys can do anything with your equipment or your sticks or you're pushing and get them out of in front of the net and let's not mince words this is not tough versus soft this is good versus bad yes guys these guys do this because they're not good they're not as good as the other player that's why yeah that's now there's occasionally the retaliatory penalty a lot of montreal canadians fans are going to say for every ben charot cross check austin matthews gave it back and you're right but it's this is what it's about in front of the net it's 100 what it's about and nhl officiating can't even fake it for god's sake they didn't even last to halloween with those cross checking calls they didn't even last i forgot that was even a thing so did that yeah

wow well anyway conor mcdavid continues to destroy people uh but i would like to see him do it more this has been really good at least if that's what it's for the game of hockey though because this is the best player in the world and this is him saying something in the media it matters this has been cool to see because it happens so often every other sport that finally there's a narrative in hockey surrounding a good player going back at somebody in the media and them and then them going on the ice and proving that they're the best player again. It's been great. What we saw in basketball was Kobe Bryant and the Lakers

were willing to take it on. Kobe Bryant and the Lakers were not okay with the calls that were being missed on Kobe, so they submitted a sizzle reel of Kobe Bryant getting slapped around on his way to the rim, and the league changed the way they officiated along with some other things.

Players in the NHL notoriously do not want to take on stuff like this. They don't want to take on anything other than playing hockey. Fair, fine, whatever. But do you think the star players in the game, does this die here? Or did the star players in the game start to say, yeah, I think we got to make some changes here. I would like to see this because the ball's rolling now. If they take advantage of it now, you actually could spin this into something.

But if they don't, I have this. Sometimes a lot of this stuff in the NHL just kind of it lies dead. Yeah, because the NHL does make concerted efforts to stop the ball. So how is this going to come back in the Oilers now? Oh, you mean like it'll come back in a different way? Oh, yeah. Because, no, it's... That'd be awful.

Everyone joins McDavid unless McDavid is made an example of, and I think that might be coming. There's no way. They like their club. Big fan. Big fan of the club. Well, that is true. They do like their club.

The only way... That'd be terrible for the sport of hockey. Yeah, what else is new? It's over three lockouts. Yeah. What, did you just get here? You want help with your bags? it would be awful like that's a complete opposite direction of where this needs to go yeah you know

what else would be awful canceling the stanley cup what they did that remember they canceled the cup for an 0405 no you mean yeah oh the entire that that was unthinkable and then they thought it and they said okay yeah well and they changed the rules and rather than have the players adapt the uh officiating just slowly regressed over time um you know that year that 0506 year where everyone scored bananas amounts of goals and crosby versus ovechkin single-handedly saved the league the league literally looked at that and went that can't continue the most entertaining season of hockey we've seen in a generation nuts to that we're done here and they slowly went backward over the course of over a decade the people who run the sport are

fucking dumb man like let's just let's say what it is i'm excited to see what the commissioner after gary betman does with the nhl it'll be fast yeah because it does it does make a difference like you look at the difference between what major league baseball was with bud selig and now and then you know uh um david stern and adam silver and you could argue david stern was one of the more progressive uh commissioners at the time but with what adam silver's done as he's not perfect but boy is he a lot different it's been tenfold yeah and i would love to see what the nfl looks like without goodell we now present new nhl commissioner bill daly goodell gets shit for everything he does off the field but the on-field product of the nfl i think it's never been better

i think like he's he's blown blown me away with what he does on the field in terms of just like they the most important thing in football is the quarterback and they have gone so far in protecting the quarterback that now it's ridiculous but that's that's what he's tried to do he's tried to grow the game and he's he's done it by just tripling and quadrupling down on protecting the best player in the game yes yes so yes i wanted to ask kudos for that i want to ask about that because as not a football guy i only get like side glances at the news is it has it been an overcorrection then it has it's been it's been a crazy over overcorrection where in terms of this season there's been some plays that have affected the game because what they've done they've taken

away the ability for anybody who's tackling the quarterback to uh do so aggressively which is the only way to tackle someone in football and sacks are down right the sacks are down and and the the main thing that they differentiate here is they don't want you to put any pressure on the quarterback's body when you're bringing him down so you can't land with your body pressure on the quarterback you can't hit him um you can't hit him down low either you can't hit him through the legs so the really how do you hit him the that's the exact debate that's happening in the nfl because defensive players are getting these these uh roughing the passer penalties constantly because they're just trying to tackle how they've been tackling for the first 25 years of their life

playing football and now that's illegal in the nfl so that's the new rule because they want the quarterback to survive they want the quarterback because that's the that's the thing that drives the nfl game they want us to be protected so they've created this obtuse rule okay so do you think they go back a bit on no i think they they say you guys got to adapt because that's that's who's driving all the revenue for us and that's what makes the game exciting having a great quarterback interesting well and look at what you think tom brady being the best quarterback of all time hurts football uh probably well tom brady would not be playing today if it were not for some of those rules because he would have got hit yeah when was he 100 oh god 99 99 and he

dude i remember i remember watching the first super bowl with him because bledsoe started that year and then like three games in they'd like lost and then he came in and they he just won everything else oh i remember yeah watching the patriots as like a child yeah and they beat the rams too and everybody's like oh it's the rams again they're going to back repeat repeat repeat Was that the one where the guy was at the one-yard line? No, that was the one before. That was Eddie George, your jersey namesake. Yes.

That was when the Rams won. They beat the Titans. Kurt Warner, Marshall Falk. Isn't it funny that I don't know that? The one football thing I probably should know, I don't. Yeah. And then they're like, you know what, St. Louis? Fuck your team.

We're taking it back to LA. Too bad. Yeah, the family that owns the Rams, apparently they weren't very good to the city of St. Louis. Yeah. That's true. oh wait a second are you talking about billionaires not being good no but i'm sure they have such a great reputation

hey they give money to charity so we can't criticize yeah are you guys referencing somebody everyone everyone ever actually that's the thing we're not there's a lot of people you could put into that two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca in toronto every arrival is a statement and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025. Find

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jesse dude how dare you okay what do we we work together since you and me in every studio every day for like what since 2014 about that we can manage it wow since jim benning got hired interesting that you say that now steve what you've said it how many times before and it was a viral tweet not a day ago what's the safest job in the land national hockey league general manager if you're in canada it's the safest job in the world safest job in the world should we go through the list let's go through the list i can do it off the top of my head i want you to count it down from shortest to longest okay uh ken holland was hired by the oilers in 2019 kyle dubas was hired by the leafs in 2018 but but 16 is the agm or 14 14 is 14 um pierre dorian was 2016 with the

sins then it was jim benning in may of 2014 with the canucks brad tra living in april 2014 with the flames um mark bergevin in 2012 with the montreal canadians and kevin shovel day off from day one in 2011 with the winnipeg jets i was thinking i was thinking about something with jim benning and everyone's piling on top of him and we're not being hard enough i was trying while i was actually because i was watching his press conference and we'll go through it all by the way i'm just and we will go through it it's i said this in like at least 2016 it's cruel and unusual punishment to parade this man in front of a camera yeah stop it yeah well it's mean we'll talk about that moment i know what moment you're referencing we will get to that

moment don't don't bring it up yet because it is icing on the cake that i'm not even being sarcastic i feel genuinely horrible for this he's not meant for that no for god's sake not meant for them but we'll get to it but while i was trying to find the canucks uh brownie points and as a rogers employee i'm very aware of uh these trends on account of 2014 is when uh rogers got the rights it was a 2014-15 season and since the beginning of that season okay so you got the good teams you got the surprise teams so the good teams where we're talking the the lightning we're talking who's who's won who's won cups boston they've you know Chicago was good back then.

LA was good back then. Yeah. Tampa's been good the whole time. Pittsburgh got a couple cups. Washington. Those are the good teams. Then there's the accidentally good teams. San Jose, by the way, you should put in that good team.

San Jose, absolutely. They just didn't get over the hump. Yep. The accidentally good teams. St. Louis. St. Louis is interesting. They're always in the... I'm taking a shot.

St. Louis is always in the playoffs. Yeah, but they didn't go from last to first. So that's interesting. The Montreal Canadiens, accidentally good. That was actually accidental. St. Louis was intentionally good. Then there's the teams who, and maybe I'd put St. Louis into this category. Sometimes it may be good.

Sometimes it may be shit. You know, sometimes they're competitive. Sometimes not so much. They got to take a year off, whatever, whatever. Then there's the rebuilding teams. The Ottawa's, the Arizona right now in a very big way. Toronto did. Toronto was a lottery team a year and a half ago.

A year and a half ago. Thank you, Jesse. Toronto Maple Leafs were a lottery team. Ron Hainsey's a millennial. God, that kills me, and that kills me too. There's the rebuilding teams. Then there's the worst category in the National Hockey League in professional sports.

Bad by accident. The Vancouver Canucks, since the beginning of the 2014-15 season, have to lead the entire NHL in bad by accident. How many bad on-purpose seasons have they had since the beginning of the 2014-15 season maybe one maybe one no like they've always tried to be good this entire decade always tried to compete now we all knew it was coming 2011 they won president's trophy they get all the way to game seven 2012 they win the president's trophy and you know people give them a lot of shit for that but i mean the kings ended up winning the cup

2013 they had that series against calgary i don't even remember who won i think it was calgary one that was good row and monaghan being like that wasn't that their breakout uh no i think that was 20 that was the cardiac kids you're thinking yeah i think that was the first year of the rights and that was a lot of fun okay um i might be getting the timeline mixed up a little bit but as the so they're falling they're falling they're aging they're aging they're retooling rebuilding a little bit it's not totally unexpected that they had a few bad seasons since 2014-15 but no team has tried to compete and failed to do so as many times over the last seven eight seasons as a vancouver canucks the only team i was trying to think okay who even

comes close oh calgary this country's had a tough time the last few years uh with hockey for god's sake um internationally we've had some success men's women's that's been great but in terms of nhl success well intense in terms of teams achieving their goal you talked about the rebuild they wanted to finish last and by gum they did you talked about the senators and their rebuild i think we all agree it's going okay especially with the parameters that the sends put around themselves the edmonton oilers they go out and they get connor mcdavid they had a few bad by accident years too but i don't think a year has gone by out of the last two or three where we would say yeah i could see them making noise who has been bad by accident more than the jim

bennings vancouver canucks no one not one not one team in the national hockey league no not even buffalo i hear you no not even buffalo because buffalo didn't have expectations like from 14 15 when they started tearing it down they started tearing it down they just never built it back up again yeah the main criticism of buffalo isn't necessarily bad by accident it's didn't try yeah yeah and this year they're trying even less which is fine you know you got to do what you got to do to rebuild but the Canucks every time they're bad which is often it's a surprise and for him after all this time to get up in front of the media and be like I don't have any answers that's not acceptable you're done like Jim Benning is currently in title the general

manager of the Vancouver Canucks he collects a paycheck from the Vancouver Canucks but as long as that's his answer he's not the GM of that team I would argue he hasn't been the GM of the team for at least a year he just still keeps to make moves and stuff which which is why i'm done being mean to jim benning and we all should be this is squarely on the shoulders of the aquilines it's your fault it's been the same dude in charge forever he's given you nothing in terms of results nothing you want a series in a year where you shouldn't have even been in it right that's it over his tenure that's all he's given you he is what he is it's like uh screaming about first line center tyler bozak well it's not like he applied he's not he handed in a resume with a

cover letter the first line center please it's he became the face of it but who was behind it It was Randy Carlisle. Stop putting him in this role. He's not meant for it. And stop hating Grabowski for no reason. Yes! That too. Leave it to a Leaf fan to make it about the Leafs.

But Jim Benning has shown time and time again, maybe not the guy for this role here. It's the Aquilines. They wear it. They wear the entire thing, and I'm done being mean to him because it's not his fault. Let me jump on that. Okay.

Elliot Friedman in 32 Thoughts. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Under Aquilini ownership, a top-level management change isn't made without a ready replacement. Dave noticed to Mike Gillis. Mike Gillis to Trevor Linden. The Canucks haven't had an in-season coaching change since Mark Crawford replaced Mike Keenan at the 1999 All-Star Weekend. You're joking. Wow.

Several of our Vancouver-based Sportsnet compatriots, with much better grasps of the market than me, are saying they believe fan reaction during Wednesday's return versus Colorado, where they chanted fire demanding, by the way, could determine the course of action. that's insane certainly a catering to ticket sales affects change but base moves on one night's festivities is awful process and doomed to fail now elliot i have to say it's not the game where they're booing him it's the eight years of resume he built up to get to the game no no but here i think elliot and you agree uh on something fundamentally here tell me um you're both agreeing that this team is boned right they're super screwed the point elliot is making is

there's to me the point that i think he's making is they made their bed during the off season they let him run the offseason they let him go into this season as a general manager it's too late it's too late to make a move right well i don't think that so i i did jump a couple paragraphs there but the reason i i wanted to include that second paragraph you know uh and elliot's awesome i'm not trying to take shots at no no but but here's the thing you know you've got um i get what elliot's saying if you base it on that one wednesday night you go well we got to fire him because the fans hate him now. That shows the flaw in leadership

because you didn't fire him before this. That it got to this point. A little bit like Brian Burke with Ron Wilson. Yes. Where the fans basically fired him in one evening and Brian Burke said, that's enough. The Aquilines have to be making this decision through thinking about it and seeing the track record,

not, hey, now that the fans are angry, we make a move. And that, I believe, is what Elliot is saying. However, for anybody that takes it any other way, I believe what we're trying to say here is there was a resume and by the way canucks fans went to the wall for benning i have been on this show we've done this show for eight years absolutely and since jim benning took over we have criticized and we have criticized we've been like oh you drafted well holy shit that's a terrible free agency signing do you know how many tweets i got when jay beagle scored an

overtime winner in the playoffs in the bubble they're like ah fuck you you don't know what the fuck you're talking about well who was he traded for what's happened since and then what happened i kept telling you how long have i been saying jim benning put down the phone on july 1st please god you're doing you're wrecking the good thing that you've created and here we are and according to sport logic and this is again in 32 thoughts uh by the way 32 thoughts this week was a banger peterson is tied for sixth in the league by the way this is peterson is a part of the he's been really happening here peterson is tied for sixth in the league in cycle chances with 28 other than that he is a stunning non-factor two seasons ago he had 24 goals in the slot in 68 games

this year he's got zero in 16 he's simply too good for that it's not solely on one player but his descent from the usual eliteness torpedoes vancouver's attack and that's true now i want to read what the canucks army had to say on the jim benning thing because there's a nice little pair okay just on the pedersen thing like that's that's unacceptable for somebody who has the talent to be um a top 10 player in the nhl easily and i don't know if that's on travis green or if that's in his head or what they need to do big extension and he's feeling it a little bit yeah but he didn't have a great year last year well he's injured all right that's the thing it's just that needs to turn around because it's all there and he's gonna eventually get it and it's on them

to get it out of him i think we all agree they're maybe not great but they're too good for this sure so jim benning and the the headline on everything was i could never have foreseen a start like this and everybody else is saying we could that's the problem and the canucks army rightly point out that the canucks themselves in management have no problem removing people that are dissenting voices this has been one of the problems of this management or fans or paying fans well that too but i but when we're talking just about a great leadership group is going to disagree with each other you know heck we disagree with each other on things all the time yeah it's it can be it's always respectful but if you can't disagree and have dissenting opinions how could

you possibly pretend to have an opinion worth having an opinion worth having is one that can be challenged and one that can be defended and it looks like the Canucks have turned their management office into an echo chamber so um here's what the Canucks army had to say the Vancouver Canucks who are bad are only learning now that they are bad so bad that their GM Jim Benning decided to do a press conference to talk about it in his press conference he didn't decide to do this he gave a weak

admission of responsibility deflecting attention to major flooding going on in Vancouver we will play that clip in a minute oh why bring that up in the middle of a question and not in the middle of a question and not the beginning Benning then pointed the fingers at his stars saying Pedersen was not playing well and that's the reason the team sucks while defending his costly

costly offseason acquisitions of Oliver Ekman-Larsson and Tucker Pullman who have made a bad Canucks defense somehow even worse this year. Now, he did speak to the media. What I loved about it, he's like, we better start stringing some wins together or we're going to be out of it

or to get back in it. And I'm thinking, and this goes back to what Steve was saying earlier. It's mean. Don't put him in front of a microphone. Stop. But if you can't be in front of a microphone, you can't be a general manager

in the National Hockey League. I've said it for years. I think he'd be a fine AGM. most people aren't i think he'd be yeah he's he's very good at drafting there's no question here's here's the or he's good enough at drafting now i know let me read the quote he was an agm in boston when they did the tyler sagan trade i know i know but but he's done some good things i'm not saying he's maybe at one point he would have been a good general manager uh tyler sagan no i look back at that deal a little differently oh well we can talk about that you might have a point

the moves we made this summer i would never have envisioned we got off to this start but we have and we have to deal with it and figure it out jim benning said last year and jesse this is the first clip i'd like you to bring up if that's okay about 30 seconds in it's a twitter video so you can run it on uh on thing if you want to deploy yeah yeah so about 30 seconds in they ask him about a quote where yes last year he said they're about two years away from being truly competitive and what thinks about that now this is from twitter user quadra back in the right direction winning hockey games and you know hopefully compete for a playoff spot last year you said you felt you were two years away from being really competitive do you feel now it's one year away or that timeline changed

by you know i'm not going to comment on that right now with with where we're at we got to just figure out you know how our penalty kill can be better how we can our best players can perform better how you know we're a fragile team right now how we can work through that be mentally tougher those are the issues that we're dealing with right now it's mean it's mean it's a good question it is a good question oh it's a fantastic question and his answer should have been no next question generally okay if someone refuses to answer your question that that doesn't mean it was a bad question um that's a good one generally speaking i thought the canucks the canucks have uh really they i think their fans are very tough on the team always and the media who cover them

can be but generally speaking i think they're one of the smarter cores of reporters in the league from ian mcintyre on sportsnet.ca benny emerged from his tuesday summit with the aquilini ownership group with the family's apparent continued support for now when asked about it i'm not going to worry about that he said of his job security there will be an ownership decision that will be an ownership decision and if they get to the point where you know they don't feel like i'm doing a good job and i need to be replaced they'll make that decision like i told you i like this group i like this group of players i think along the way what we tried to do is make sure that our younger players were surrounded with veteran players

so they could learn from them. But now we've kind of handed it over to the younger group of players that we've drafted and developed. And with that responsibility comes a lot of pressure. Now we've got to work with these guys and get them to play to their potential so we can start winning. They're not doing it, but it's the right idea. Sure, it's the right idea.

But here's the problem. The veteran guys he replaced them with were too expensive and not good enough. We know that. Number two, what I didn't like about that is the younger players are not responsible for eight pretty average at best but mostly bad years what was petterson when uh ben and got this job like 14 yeah yeah i don't like that he puts that on the young players i know that petterson's not playing great but let's say even he even if he was are the canucks off to a great start still probably no can i uh i think i have a pretty

good sense of smell you know when when i walk into the kitchen and i smell something i i go you know what i know what's in the oven right now pizza sometimes it's pizza strong garlic no smell what the benning is cooking no it's not benning who's cooking it pasta now wait so what we have here stroganoff is is uh no no here let me do this cake stop it cupcakes no it's not fucking cupcakes jesse let me do my bit baguettes so what i'm smelling is an an ownership who loves their guy and and they're okay with the job he's doing and every july 1st he goes out and he spends money that he shouldn't have any logical any uh any logical nhl executive wouldn't do this wait a tech this isn't a gm problem this is an ownership problem and this dude is getting john ferguson

juniored i want to name more foods name another one name a fucking other one almost reached across the table jesse i don't care that you're seven feet tall or whatever okay i think jim benning is having done to him what mlsc did to john ferguson jr in toronto i think he's a puppet i think he's a gm in title only and this is the aquilini's because i was thinking about these moves and i was thinking about like the goofy hockey tropes they're throwing out and hey jim on july 1st put away your phone on july 1st i think most active gms are actually owners on July 1st you spend money whose money Jim digging through his couch cushions digging under his car seat so that he can afford Tucker Pullman no it's the Aquilini's money I think they're

running this team and they're running it straight into the earth's crust this is why I'm done being mean to Jim Benning and this whole fire Benning like okay if it's an echo chamber in there not only is benning gonna get fired but they're poisoning the next candidate to be gm of this team and also who gives a shit who the next gm of this team is it's frank it's the aquilines that's why this team sucks that's why nothing has changed and that's why they're perfectly content with the fact that nothing has changed how could these be how could these decisions possibly be bad they're mine that's why the canucks stink it's the owners it's the owners it's the owners you know why you're pouting your lip at me adam i made a great

fucking point i can't disagree with that it's a bold statement based on the mountain of evidence in front of me every every um you saw the same man that i did does that look like a guy in charge no it sounds it looks like a man who's like spinning spiraling out that's a man who goes into every meeting with the aguilinis and goes yes dear that's not brian burke who is happy to tell his boss to fuck off and i'm sure he had to countless times in every market he's been in that that dude hasn't made a decision for eight years that's my opinion but but the problem is you know that ownership he's on he's getting pinned with that but you know what i'll to back steve up everything i've ever heard about what it's like to work in an nhl friend office is that

ownerships uh ownership does like it does interfere they'll sometimes you'll you'll hear stories and this happens all the time you'd be shocked oh yeah you have owners all the time i like this guy how do we get him go get him my kid likes this guy get him for the third line you would be absolutely floored by how often that happens you'd be you'd honestly like you think that i'm fucking making this up man you ask any reporter in the game oh the trashers documentary is tip of the iceberg oh absolutely absolutely so so here's betting went on to say that he's happy at least that five on five they're getting better oh my own see this is where this is where i disagree with steve because jim bedding doesn't have to say this like you're saying don't

be mean to jim it's not jim's fault okay well jim decided to be there jim doesn't have to be there no one's twisting his arm to make millions of dollars if he wants to be a couple million dollar pin cushion that's fine but he doesn't need to say this because this is not this what is this answer here's the what's this answer going to change is everybody going to go you know what he's right wait till i read it to you i think five on five we've really improved our chances against in our five on five play but right now our special teams is hurting us our power play we have the personnel i believe to have a real good power play and for whatever reason we're not performing on the power play and then our penalty kill that's really hurt us this year

as was in evidence in the game last night they scored three power play goals and that's the difference in the game now here's here's here's we've got the nhl's worst penalty kill they're at a 60.3 percent their power play is ranked only only slightly higher at 27th overall now all of that is true jim's right but everybody's like yeah jim we know this is why i feel like i don't want anybody to be mean to somebody but i don't believe that jim benning is not deserving of your criticism when you say stuff like that he's trying to say but but but no no no there's no but but buts right now i think he's trying to justify moves he's trying to you ever try to defend a point that you never made that's what he sounds like well and then i'm on i'm on

to something and again this is where i disagree with steve because i do think this person if you're put in this position if you accept this position and continue to accept this position remember he never had to accept any he never had to accept the job in the first place or any extensions have been thrown at him afterwards jesse can you queue up the queue up the next clip about abbotsford please i got it do you want me to play it that would be great do you have do you have the quote about right-handed centers i don't have that that's a bad one we'll get to that all right here's uh did jim benning just compare the abysmal canuck start to what's going on in abbotsford uh david johnson okay at it's a press conference but yeah but also david yeah he tweeted

that you know it's hard i'm not gonna sit here and say it's not hard it's really hard but you know like what what's going on in bc right now with the people out in abbotsford and and the floods that they're dealing with that's not easy either so um this is what we call life you mentioned you asked your supposit there so so so just so you don't in case you don't know oh god there are biblical level floods happening in bc right now to the point where you can't get to vancouver by road after catastrophic fires like a few months ago right and there are fires starting because of the floods you're joking no oh my you should have seen the pictures abbotsford if you're on tiktok you'll be able to see these videos that come up all the time you cannot believe the level

of water it's crazy and in the middle of that in the city essentially it's happening abbotsford's not that far in within that that's like hamilton flooding and a toronto maple leaf general manager going well it's tough for them and it's tough for me as the general manager of the leafs when this team doesn't perform well i think you no no no okay the point i'm trying to make here is you're saying i'm done being mean to jim fair done we don't want to be mean to anyone yeah but if you're if you're talking about being mean and criticizing and come on you got to be better than that here's You cannot, are you that daft that you could make a remark like that and go, yep, this is the decision I wanted to make.

And this is, it comes down to a couple of things. Maybe. It comes down to a couple of things. He's not ready for this press conference because he doesn't have the right people around him and he's not equipped. So if you are not equipped, hire the people that are equipped to equip you. They do this with politicians all the time. Hey, you're going to have a really tough fucking press conference because you did something

shitty. So the press is going to ask you a bunch of things. let's go over your potential answers for that that's what a pr team does the canucks have a pr account use your pr staff come up with some generic answers and don't say shit like that it's just life if they're kidding if they put the effort into this press conference that they did into confiscating signs at games well they would have nailed it so the hilarious fan sign steve is referencing it comes from at a small sample size uh and he's so funny so i guess he had a folding sign and he said finn you're the best at winning finn being their mascot and he folds it up and

it says fire benning and then it looks exactly like one of the signs i made for leaf games when i was a kid like it's really well done it's really well done and they took it away from him yeah because you can't fire benning benning did all the stuff i told him to do that's bullshit i own the team get out of my building give me that sign actually never mind stay in the building buy some popcorn but give me that sign apparently the entire section booed when they confiscated it yeah because that's trash that's garbage and uh yurki 21 creator of at benning on empty uh is the one that came up with the original it was the one that came up with the idea finn you're the best at winning it's so it's so good really good yo man so vancouver

they're ruthless it's just awesome we should have on the hockey guy to get a sense of how it's going oh yeah i would love to know what he thinks i would love because he's so balanced and like i don't even know how he he could be balanced about this i would love to put that would be a test for him in a fan base of people screaming it'd be interesting to get his calm and they they're really bad he might he might just be like oh no i expected this you know and then just be content with it because he's like yeah they're shit and i know it so what was the betting quote if you can paraphrase about right-handed centers well basically so as as as i understand it and i'm not obviously as tapped in on this team as i am on others but um supposedly part of their

struggles on the penalty kill is they just don't have the right personnel and it was very obvious what personnel they needed and travis green supposedly said like be really nice to get a right-handed another right-handed center on the penalty kill and they don't have one like the problems with this team have been like firing green is gonna do this nothing it's gonna to do nothing this is why i keep throwing it up to ownership firing green is going to do nothing firing benning i think is going to do nothing and the shame of it all is one of those two things could happen and the canucks could go on a run and it would surprise nobody but you're too talented for this you yeah because patterson is going to come back yes well and and just where they're at

mentally there was a clip i put in my dang it's video yesterday of brock besser going slower than most people at a public skate on the back check and it's the reason the puck went in and it was in a game that was still winnable they were losing but it was winnable yeah there's just no effort there because there's they're deflated man watching tucker pullman uh in the press conference yesterday and being like oh so we're just doing this like you know he just signed the biggest contract of his life and it's probably the worst 20 game strip not even 20 game stretch he's ever seen that's a tough intro man that's tough it's not not fun um freach then went on to say in 32 thoughts and this sort of wraps up our connection if the conducts do eventually consider changes it comes

at a time when organizations are extremely nervous about the challenges of properly vetting candidates for current or future openings the consequences of failing to do so as well anaheim and chicago absolutely cannot afford mistakes the league office holds major influence in these decisions which is weird by the way i thought that sentence was weird we can come back to that and i'm not sure that's going to change much but i can see more and more teams turning to outside outside entities in search of fresh perspectives or to make sure they aren't missing anything and it's extremely common outside the nhl and inevitable within because here's the thing the nhl has been one gigantic ping pong like a sorry pinball game when it comes to management

right if you're fired somewhere you get picked up somewhere else it's like 45 dudes for 32 jobs Yeah, if you're in, you're in. And what's been interesting is teams are actually nervous about that. And by the way, when you're hiring for a position, usually that's par for the course. And Elliot says that. It's extremely common outside the NHL, literally to vet people. And I want to remind you, too,

the Leafs are not off the hook on this one. Dusty Emo, that's one of the first moves, if not the first move, that Marley's GM made. I can't even remember his name. And I heard through the Vine that Dubas was furious. well because like what how many people listening to the show have scrubbed or locked their twitter account before going for a job interview because you don't want a potential employer to see your shit posts or your fan fix or all this all the stupid shit you put on social media because it's

supposed to be fun in general yeah like they didn't even do that right it's it's not a a you know vancouver does this and no one else thing that's so basic that's such a basic thing you don't you don't take a gander hey man what's your twitter get real yeah yeah so it's not can you read the quote again or at very least i'll read i'll read the first half if the canucks do eventually consider any changes it comes at a time when organizations are extremely nervous about the challenges of properly vetting candidates for current or future openings and the consequences of failing to do so. Anaheim and Chicago absolutely cannot afford mistakes.

The league office holds major influence in these decisions. And I'm not sure that's going to change much, but I can see more and more teams turning to outside entities. What does that mean? It means that, and we've seen this. Read the Brian Burke book. For God's sakes, people, read the book. There's an audio book.

There's an audio book, and it's him doing it. Oh, great. I'm Brian Burke. In it, you get a sense of, oh, well, I talked to Gary, and I said, what job is there? Like there is, not necessarily just like that. I'm kind of dramatizing that. But there is a sense that I've seen in the NHL

that all front office hires, they all kind of call the head office and go, hey, who do you recommend? Like Gary and Bill, who do you recommend? And I have sort of run that about and they do have influence, guys. Like I don't think people realize how much influence the head office has

in managerial decisions. That's one of the most disheartening, depressing things I've ever heard about. Given what we saw a couple of weeks ago based on the press conference after Kyle Beach. Yeah. And the idea that billion dollar organizations are only now going, you know, maybe we ought to maybe we ought to turn this over to a service that properly vets people. Maybe we ought to hire someone so that the person we hire doesn't have any racist tweets in their past or, you know. what a gaggle of doddering assholes like are you serious dude are you fucking out of your dude like it's it's it's everybody though why do everybody why do we show up at our jobs and try

like if this is these are successful people because before steve before the only thing that mattered was that they were good hockey people good hockey men remember i asked 200 hockey men good hockey men well what does that mean does that mean you can you be a good hockey man and a shitty person apparently you can i think that i think good hockey man means generally jovial after five pints what do you think it means like fun in the dressing room always has tape like what what does it mean i think it means that they're good to deal with if they see you as someone on their level holy mother of god anyway just did someone make a fun tech talk we can talk about or holy shit well that's horrible um uh uh it's pretty bad um but why doesn't anything change

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and we're actually going to discount Jack Campbell's season for what it's going to bring to Team USA because Thatcher Demko is a guy who played before. In a tournament where you're allowed to have a list of 55 guys, Team USA would be ridiculous to not at least have Jack Campbell on the list. But you can't have 55 guys going over there. No. No, he's going to make that list.

He's got to be. Yeah, of course he can make that list. Everybody's on that list. I'm on that list. He has to be on that team. No, and at some point. He must be on that team. at some point during the process and only usa hockey would know the answer to this at some

point 55 is going to become 50 and then 45 and then 40 and i'm very curious to see how long jack campbell sticks around because maybe he should make the 23 maybe yeah it's starting to look like he should starting to look like he should absolutely as much as we want campbell on it it might not even be demko it's hellebuck gibson is your one two the third slot goes to spencer night and gibson's having a good year yeah i don't i don't know how campbell breaks through that top three because he's a vesna candidate and he's got the top save percentage in the nhl hellebuck's a tough one to overcome yeah he's not if i'm the starter no matter what i don't care if if campbell's undefeated till the olympics it's not happening gibson and this is a this is a big

factor with hockey canada too i'm pretty sure gibson is very often on team usa at the world hockey championship that's a big deal and then there's the kid and it makes sense to have the kid in the third role i'm just saying okay jack campbell right now is like a 945 yeah something stupid he would have to be that after christmas to make this team i agree with you that he's an olympic level goalie he's an olympic level goalie especially the way he's playing right now but this is we just talked about how stuck in their ways hockey people are yeah that's what they're doing well here's here's what i'm gonna if if he doesn't make team usa i hope he pulls a reverse brett hall gives up his citizenship and applies for canadian because i would sure love him on

team canada and he might be the starter on team canada honestly yeah but he's too nice to kick up a stink and he would call it kicking up a stink i don't want to kick kick up a stink guys but after the after the um the game yesterday when they were like hey how do you feel about morgan riley's like man he's smiling he's one of one yeah like he's the only morgan riley there is and we got him like yeah like what a great dude i love that that's captain america for you come on now united states of america would fall in love with jack campbell if if he was playing any other sport he'd be an absolute freaking superstar in some ways we underrate what he's doing oh like it's unbelievable the streak he sat on if you count from since he started being the

full-time starter for the leafs until this very moment his record it's one of 17 and three and the safe percentage is one of the greatest runs a goal he's had in the last like half decade this is you're counting some vasilevsky seasons in there he's up there with the hellebuck season when hellebuck was unbelievable some people made fun of us for having the jack campbell top 10 leaf goalie discussion i don't know which which was weird because adam asked the question and then jesse and i both went well no but so but you read the title so get your lulz but he's on pace to definitely be that yeah um oh i'm on the wrong website jesus oh so his record is by math uh 30 so he just got his 30th leaf win stop it how many losses 38 and four right

that's unbelievable that's a great run no but not Team USA but there's it was a 944 I said 945 I'm sorry there's three goalies probably ahead of him on the list maybe four if you put Depco but probably not

that is so stupid justice for Jack I'm starting the hashtag we're going to sell t-shirts in the store and I want an American flag on it and you're only fired up you're only fired up about this because you have Team USA winning the Olympics. Well, yeah, because I want them to...

Well, I took the field, you piece of shit. People were like, where's your patriotism? I'm like, obviously, I'm cheering for Canada, but it's a smart bet. Is it obvious? You know as a bettor that that's a good bet. It's a very good bet. Thank you. But I, because I'm not a Judas, I would not bet against Team Canada.

I took Team Canada on this bet. I don't appreciate that. Adam, if you want to get tried for treason, keep up your ways. Steve washes his hands of it, because that's biblical. forget wow forget um as the leaf or as a leaf he's been spectacular his whole nhl career he played one game oh you're still looking dude well because i can't believe it yeah he played one game with the dallas stars that went really poorly in 13 14 that's how long his journey's been uh he had

a 20 minute appearance with the kings in 16 17 then the journey really begins he's a 9 24 in five games with the kings the next season he's in 928 in 31 games then he's a 900 goalie in 20 games with the kings who were really bad um and uh since coming over to the leafs he's a like a 980 or something i didn't do all the calculations he's since he became an nhl regular he's been lights out ever since he's joined the leafs he's been it's such a shame because and by the way when he He was down for that 32-game season in L.A. when they sucked. Yeah. He was great.

I don't know, guys. Starting goalie for the Leafs. If you're great, that's the expectation. If you're anything less than that, you're garbage. Do you know how great you have to be to be appreciated? We have had some good goalies. Frederick Anderson, the moment he fell off, we were like, go fuck yourself.

Yo, but when he fell off, he fell off. He wasn't like Felix Potvin Who got a little worse Felix Potvin got a little worse And then they signed Cucho We know that And they made the best trade in Leap's history And got Berard for him

Freddie fell off half because of injuries And it was also in a pandemic season And it was for Like I don't know 40 games and then he just never got the job back He didn't fall off Like off of Mount Everest you know like we knew why he wasn't performing and like a lot of i've seen a lot of people

like point out his numbers with the hurricanes and they go ha ha it's a shitty joke adam and they go no fred frederist frederist mount frederick frederick is tall and he's very tall is croissants cupcakes continue continue um i don't even remember what i was oh hey look how good he is with the hurricanes we were all like yeah we know yeah we we've he was that good with us well and it's the hurricanes oh yeah they're fantastic they're really good i'm not taking anything away from freddie no like okay okay they look at the contract we gave peter morazic because of the 12 games he played with them should andrew i'm gonna change this up should Andrew Mangiapane make the Canadian Olympic

team. He's the only person on my fantasy team scoring, so yes. 14 points. He's got 12 goals and 2 assists in 17 games. Yeah, he's like oh god. He's going to make the 55 but he's not going to make the team. He's like Brandon Peary. Unless you're, you know who he reminds me of? Matt Boleski.

Oh god. Yeah, tiny. Pocket Matt Boleski. No, yeah, no, and I'm not saying he's, he's better than Matt Boleski, but the run he's on where Matt Boleski just all of a sudden scored a bunch of goals and Boston's like here's five years

I'm Gordie Howe now yeah it's like it's a little bit like whoa this is one now Mangiapane's actually a very good player I'm not trying to

take that away from him please don't take that the wrong way Flames fans okay I'm just gonna do this quickly tell me who of these players you're gonna

kick off for Andrew Mangiapane okay Connor McDavid Sidney Crosby Nathan McKinnon Patrice Bergeron Brad Marchand Mark Stone

Mitch Marner Sean Couturier Ryan O'Reilly Brayden Point Stephen Stamkos John Tavares Jonathan Huberto, Zach Hyman, Mark Shifley, Matthew Barzal, Taylor Hall. Who are you kicking off?

No, we're good. The answer to that is gun to my head. Laser pointing at Earth. I want to eat some bread. Which is what Mangiapane means. Yes, it is. All right, next, Troy Terry is on the Olympic team. He might be on the American one.

He should probably. That was a bad example I'm sorry Here's something that backs up your point completely Adam that's a really You're right No one has ever said to me I thought he was Canadian

It's a good joke And you should say it Wow compliments to me You turned me around No like CJ has made several salient points On his show about why Manjapani is a contender he's had an extremely good start hockey Canada really likes him he's a penalty killer and that's

important to them but your argument is a list of two dozen superstars and I've got to say it's better like well like you can some of those guys okay Marchand will kill penalties Bergeron will kill penalties Hyman who has a pretty good chance of making it can kill penalties and I don't remember the other days but clearly the answer is Taylor Hall who's not even worth a first round pick anymore. Taylor Hall was of the... Will Anders Bjork make Team Sweden? I don't know. Taylor Hall was the list of

three extra players in him because I named 17 forwards. He's not even going to get a sniff of the team. He's not even going to come close to the team. The Bjork thing just killed me, by the way. I just hope you know that. I want to die right now. Thank you. He's really good. Okay, so yeah. Manji Pani, probably not going to.

No, but he's a great story. Let's say it's 30 games in and he's got 30 goals because he's close. Okay, let's say it's in January You said Jack Campbell in January. He's 50 and 50. He's Wayne Gretzky. He's going to do 50 and 37. Let's fucking go, Mangiaponte.

If he is, do you have to bring him in? If he's playing like this, you guys said that about Jack Campbell. If Mangiaponte is doing this after January. Yeah. Okay. If Mangiaponte is Wayne Gretzky, yes, he makes the team. If that's the question, then yeah, it's a simple answer. I don't have enough time to look it up, but Stephen Stamkos had like 20, 25 goals

already by the time Canada rolled into the Vancouver Olympics and Hockey Canada was like, that's great. You'll have a great time watching from home. They didn't care. So Mangiapane, if he turns into Wayne Gretzky, maybe the

13th forward. Also, Troy Terry is American. I knew that. Troy Terry, who was once on the trade bait board, and I am sad. Let me ask you a quick debate before we go to the press conference.

Actually, a couple of quick ones. First off, in Dallas, is Rick Bonas a huge dick? Is he Texas' Babcock? Or is he being an NHL coach? Yeah, this is a tough one. So let me read. Let me read, let me read, let me read. And then we'll get to it.

And then you can tell me. So Dallas Stars forward and Minnesota native Riley Tuft was scratched an hour before his game after he'd spent all of his call-up money on tickets for his family. and Nick Bukestad actually helped him purchase tickets after he ran out of money. So, that is not great.

No, that sounds horrible. But what's the context? Well, as a Leaf fan, we hear that and we're like, that's exactly what Babcock did to Spezza, who got like 30 tickets for his friends and family to see him play with the Leafs and then he's a healthy scratch in game one in place of Nick Shore.

Extremely different context. We're talking about the first game of the season versus game 20 and a team in absolute free fall and we're talking about a guy who's played something like 900 nhl games versus this guy who has played like what was it three no two two he played his first game was last saturday where he played four minutes and 25 seconds and then his second ever nhl game was on tuesday where he played seven minutes and 50 seconds and then was it last night he gets scratched so let's say in 20 games the stars are i don't know 10 8 and 2 let's say they're 10 8 and 2 they're a little above 500 they're doing okay does rick bonus

throw the kid a bone and let him know ahead of time kid you're playing in minnesota tell your friends tell your family you're gonna you're gonna be playing and they'll get to watch you they're not going to watch you a ton but you get to play i think in normal circumstances he and most coaches would do that but like rick bonus is the stars are so bad that they've already had a players only meeting they got the john boy treatment you never want the john boy treat tell me what that is so john boy is a guy who mostly does baseball and he lip reads amazingly and he takes like umpires and batters and he takes he just takes everyone in the baseball field he reads their lips he provides amazing context he explains rules i never knew existed he's one of my favorite

sports personalities youtuber youtuber yeah and oh and he was so amazing through the whole astros thing oh yeah wasn't he the guy that found it was he the guy that found no not found it but he his videos were probably the most popular okay right so other people found it exposed it he got some video evidence and you hear the bang bang and it's one of the best sports youtube accounts in the entire business i just want to make sure for people that yeah oh yeah so he got the john boy treatment and rick bonus is just mother fuck like screaming at these guys on the bench you're giving me fucking nothing and where's the fucking fight where's the fucking fight that was the quote um the stars are in a bad bad place right now and he's not in a position to do charity

work here now if he gave this player the impression hey you're playing in minnesota if he told him that and pulled the rug that's an asshole move well here's what he said who's he bonus or tough he said it was an assistant coach's uh uh uh assistant coach's decision um so already he's we're just starting and he threw someone else under the bus all right well that's what it is can i read the can i read the whole thing oh yeah give me the quote yeah so um this is it's like two paragraphs but it's worth it uh it's a big ask for him to go into a game like today uh kivi sat a couple of games kivi ranta uh we wanted to get some speed and some energy from him. Riley hasn't played very much. He's only played four minutes one night

and seven minutes less. That's a tough ask to put him in those situations. He'll be back in the league and be back in there next time we come to Minnesota. At some point, he'll play here. Tonight, we want to put a little more speed in the lineup. And Keevy sat out a couple. When I got to the rink tonight, the lineup changed. Riley was in as of this morning. When I got to the rink, Dave told me we had a couple of guys that we didn't expect to play to play so we had to make a quick call there oh so the stars who i guess have been banged up or had guys on protocol had a couple guys who became available to them who previously weren't after morning skate kiviranta's like i can go tonight and then now the lineup that's that's real tuft on tuft yeah you know the morning you're

in this you're in the lineup at you're at morning skate you make you get all these tickets and then an hour before game time comes around and the coach is like hey you know kivi can suit up we're gonna put them in what if no one's that's rough what if no one's wrong i think that's it i'm i gotta criticize rick bonus here because that's not a good way for a team that's struggling all you're doing is you're hurting yourself with the guys in the room which which you're already potentially you need to feel good about something so on that point i agree and the port the issue i have is even if it was the assistant coach's ultimate like this is my recommendation it's a recommendation because the assistant coach doesn't set the lineup card right and and at the end of

the day rick should have been like yeah falls to me and i made that decision in consultation with the assistant coach what a strange that was the first thing he mentioned too yep it was an assistant coach's decision which assistant coach first dave dave uh zeis z-e-i-s forever just known as dave maybe i'm saying that incorrectly so now i mean forget losing the room which it sounds like he already has he's losing his staff he's throwing dave under the bus yeah fucking dave's like yo he asked for my recommendation but this is your call there's no situation where it's that guy's fault you're his boss dave can't only make hot chicken no he's got a he's got to by the way be assistant coach in the nhl is unbelievable you know what next week we'll order

something so i think that's on that's on bonus being a bad manager you know like you gotta you gotta understand personalities and sometimes just getting guys to like you means more than hey we got the injured guys not injured just because the medical staff comes over to you and is like he ran to complain tonight doesn't mean you can't give him the extra day off because you've already committed to tough coming in if i was if i was a leader on that team first off i would pay pay the kid back for all the money that like i would just like because those guys like ben and sagan make a lot of money yeah i'd be like let me let me uh well big stat does pretty well as well but i think he's another um uh minnesota guy but i would i would just say hey listen i'm gonna give

you that money back so you can take this because you're you know you're a fringe guy yeah and you know why that money thing hits even more home for me hearing this story because of the damn agent provocateur podcast on tuesday where they explain that hey uh three million dollars is actually like 800 grand so this kid who's making like 100 grand the ahl or whatever gets called up for one game he's got to spend all these tickets he's making a normal guy's salary i i think it was the 24-7 series leafs red wings and there was a dinner and jerry domigo who had just been called up he was making like 70 g's in the american league he lost the credit card game why was he even in the i part of me no i was judging them i was judging the other players at the table i'm like that's

right that's literally some guy paying it's the equivalent of some random off the street paying for dinner for the toronto maple leafs and that's and that's what happened right yes a lot you know did someone maybe step up afterward i don't know i don't know you don't do that and i mean i'm sure you got a signing bonus and but it's no it's fucked up it's fucked up i would never go to dinner with those fuckers again are you kidding me i fuck you i remember being like that's really not cool and it's really not uh and so anyway i i think that it made me like the team less it's possible that rick boness and his assistant coach dave the dave the only dave has ever existed uh it's possible that they made what they thought was the right lineup call

but at the end of the day if this guy was an inconsequential player anyway which it seems like he is they're playing him like he is two games he has 11 total minutes yeah this guy doesn't matter much to the play yeah if you knew that and that's that remains to be seen did he know that the the guy was from there did he know the family was coming bukestad the players need to step up and say rick this is a wrong call and and rick needs to if he knows about that needs to understand that it doesn't fucking matter anyway man or also hey listen kid we're gonna play minnesota again we're dallas you know i would i'd be curious to know how much wire crossing there was did any of the coaching staff know this was going to happen keep going oh really well rick bonus is uh

wikipedia page has been updated oh what did somebody do richard gary bonus born january 25 1955 as a canadian who is familiar with ice hockey and an irredeemable piece of garbage after scratching riley tufty at the last minute he masquerades as the head coach for the dallas stars of the national hockey league uh and so on and so forth can i that can i make my last point on why rick is in the wrong here and looks like kind of an asshole the team lost seven two oh lost in all of this is the result of the damn game they they went out and they laid a giant fat egg and they gave up and they allowed seven goals to the minnesota wild the team didn't want to play and you made it worse yeah but no the fourth line had speed you know what i need to

scratch that kid you know what we got kivi in that's what we needed we need to lose by five goals we could have lost by six goals had it come on i this is a move i could have been sold on but the more details you give me no yeah no i was on the other side as well i saw this story and my first reaction was oh it's fucking fourth liner who makes who's playing four minutes who He's probably going to get scratched at any time now. But then when you dissect it, you're like, Rick, just do the right thing. Your team sucks, and they lost 7-2. We got a lot of eyes on the Habs right now for how they're struggling.

Game over. Sweater. We got a lot of eyes on the Canucks for all the reasons that we listed earlier. If there is a website to bet on which coach gets fired first, bonus. I like those odds. I like those odds. Boy, that's tough. that's tough we're gonna we're gonna not do the press conference today if that's okay yeah i i've

got a a few things for an hour i just have one more thing that i'd like to hockey related i have three more things okay then we'll do network stuff okay pineapples ian mendez today who we love love you love you nearly a decade ago i asked if daniel alfredson would be kept out of the hall of fame because of the toronto-centric bias from voters after he was passed over again i think we got our answer but it's time for everyone to appreciate his greatness now um uh this is an article in the athletic titled enough already it's time to finally put daniel offerson in the hall of fame here's here's where i'm gonna here's where i'm gonna go with this ian smart and we should have ian on to discuss this article because i think it's great first off he knows all the toronto

fans are gonna jump on this like flies on shit and they're gonna spread the word fucking smart move ian well played number two if it were if that were actually true kevin lowe would not be in the hall of fame and and and i think when you look at who went in i think ian's right like i feel like there are certain people in the nhl that get into the hall of fame not because they're great only because they've just been around and let me tell you this about edmonton it's not hard to be employed with the Oilers if you were a former Oiler, especially an 80s Oiler

for a long, long, long time. And what I ask you, and this is where I would like to pivot, is I didn't want to make a big deal of it because I'm not trying to poop all over someone's night, but Kevin Lowe, in my mind, should not be in the Hall of Fame,

shouldn't even get a sniff. He's got his rings. Yeah, but was he, was Kevin Lowe the guy? No, but what I'm saying is the rings are the recognition they should yeah the rings are the recognition it's not not every player who wins a lot deserves to be in the hall of fame and were you great while winning and and not every person who's employed a lot in management deserves to be in the hall of fame were you great

by managing he's in the hall of fame as a builder correct not as not for his playing what did he build is he i i'm gonna triple check that i'm pretty sure it's for his uh the 2006 run is that manager. It makes more sense for him to be in as a player. So Dwayne Rolison put him in the Hall of Fame. Is that what we're saying? Because what did he build? No. Is it because he built Rogers Arena?

Was a part of that? Threatened to move the team from Edmonton with Daryl Cates. Remember that happened? Remember they did that? Seattle. I do remember that. Let me go to an MLS game for some photos. Ian's right. Alfie should get in before Kevin Lowe. No question.

Totally. Sorry, what I was looking for on my phone there was scott wheeler's response scott who is ian's co-worker basically there uh there are very few members of the actual hall of fame committee who are torontonian or have any involvement or uh you know past or present with the toronto maple leafs and one of the guys from toronto actually used to be ottawa senator's head coach uh mike murphy i think it was oh and the other torontonian is bob mckenzie um i'd also like to say that alexander mcgillney who is a former relief who has a thousand points is not in the hall of fame yet it's hard to get into daniel alfredson is in a really tough category of player uh to get into the hall of fame there are there

were arguments against paul korea going in you know just like there are arguments against mcgillney going in minds with mcgillney you're out of your fucking mind there are arguments look at the tape him and bray playing together are you kidding me and uh this name is always unpopular in this conversation but if you just look at hardware and numbers theron flurry's not in and i wrote about this years ago and it's not the hockey hall of great people and or the hockey hall of i agree with everything he tweets yeah i mean they're not the hockey hall of wonderful twitter accounts yeah they're in flurry went through a lot of shit too of course we must acknowledge that i don't agree with anything he tweets but if we don't acknowledge what he went through and overcame

and performed like in his career, I think we're also doing him a huge disservice. Before I knew what his Twitter account was like, I wrote an article defending his bid for the Hall of Fame. And throughout the process of writing that, I was convinced it was wrong. He's not in. So there are lots of deserving people

who should be in the Hall of Fame, and maybe Alfie's one of them. Dave Anderchuk had to wait like 14 years to get in. And he had 600 goals. Maybe Alfie's just got to wait. the the hockey's three thousand hits to baseball comparable is 600 goals and there was a time where only two sorry three players who have ever scored 600 goals were not in the hall of fame two of them were still playing so that's why they weren't in and the other guy was dave anderchuk

and for over a decade he had to wait to get in and people went well it's because he played a lot isn't that part of it that counts it counts oh we'll take the goals back then somebody made the argument too what was it last year wasn't there a person that got in because he played a lot and people were like oh he shouldn't you know i think you're thinking of the all-time uh games played record oh you're thinking we did that for like a month when people are just getting upset because he's not gordy howe because he just played on many seasons this much he's only getting this way because he played this much and where's he on the list patrick marlo first ballot sorry should be uh just for correction only ken holland went in as a builder kevin lowe went in for his

playing career he is not player makes a lot more sense than builder he is not a hall of fame hockey player flat out and i don't mean that's not an insult to kevin lowe but he's not a hall of fame hockey player he's not not everybody on that oilers team was is glenn anderson it uh that's I would put Glenn Anderson in 40 fucking times before I'd put in Kevin Lowe, and I know they played different positions. That's like, is Steve Smith in? The guy that accidentally the puck went off in 1985

and wrecked their chances? No. Who are you talking about? Steve Smith was a pretty big defenseman. No, but that was a Dang It's video that we made early in the pandemic, and what I liked about that story, so he scores against his own team,

fucks up their whole playoff. The next year, the Oilers win the cup. First guy Gretzky passes it to, Steve Smith. Which is awesome. Yeah, great story. Incredible story. Great story. He is, Glenn Anderson is in the Hall of Fame.

Six-time cup winner. But this is, the point here. Just like Kevin Lowe. The point here is that Ian's right, but Ian's also smart. And I just, as Toronto Maple Leaf fans, please don't bite down on the pill. Okay? When people throw that stuff out there, leave it. It's okay.

Don't bite down on the pill. I would love, I also would like to have Ian on to discuss that, because I think that would be a lot of fun. Ian's got a great sense of humor. He's been on before. Yeah. i know but that one i would like to have 100 monday yeah let's reach out to him i'll reach out yeah i think that'd be fun love you um and uh jesse you've got some network stuff before we wrap

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came on and you will be enlightened and blown away by how little take-home pay athletes actually get it's kind of shocking uh the chris johnston show pay attention when you listen to that damn show There are some things. Well, also, CJ is not like me. He doesn't go, wait till you get a load of this shit and take 45 minutes to get there. He just goes, info, info, info. Delightful story. Info, info.

It's a great show. By the way, Coburg Poppy got his Coburg mug. So he's very excited. You coming to a Cougars game? Yeah, we're DMing with the Cougars right now. Company chopper? Yeah, company chopper. yeah but we are gonna go and we want people that chris was texting me he's like do you think people

like if we did a cj show night at the coburg cougars do you think people would go i was like yeah i want cj to drop the puck else i'm not going yeah if cj doesn't drop the puck at the game then like it's not worth it he needs to drop the julian's gotta come too well of course yeah yeah because apparently i just learned today that there's a via rail stop in coburg yeah that's cool yeah so julian no i didn't why would people know that i don't i would because i took a lot of via rail when i was growing up oh if i ever wanted to go to coburg i'd drive all right listen we gotta wrap it up love you we will see you monday have a fantastic weekend don't forget to check out all the amazing stuff all the sgpn have a great weekend there's there's a lot of music to

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