The Steve Dangle Podcast - Live From The Merchant in Kingston | January 22, 2024

Episode Date: January 22, 2024

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, after hosting Steve Dangle Podcast Takeover Night at the Kingston Frontenacs game, Steve, Adam, and Jesse head over to The Merchant to host a live show and chat about, the fans who made the trip out (00:00), the Edmonton Oilers possibly signing Corey Perry (03:15), the Leafs lose to the Canucks (09:30), Ryan Reaves doesn't have knees (16:00), should the Leafs sell at the deadline? (31:00), and a Q&A with the audience (36:30). - sdpn All-Star Takeover at The Rec Room Day 1: https://www.showclix.com/event/sdpn-day-1 - sdpn All-Star Takeover at The Rec Room Day 2: https://www.showclix.com/event/sdpn-day-2 - Get tickets to the All-Star Party hosted at Isabelle's with The Steve Dangle Podcast https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/all-star-party-x-isabelles-hosted-by-the-steve-dangle-podcast-tickets-803116582317?aff=oddtdtcreator&fbclid=PAAaZE72_tCOmYwyoGtYZoNVLEU-ZwaQGmTfo2u33zRUamBTeXS4Y1Tfy0m-4_aem_ATN3zVi2LArjtsaqGDzJJ5oTpdTTpjRpmQk4Lc2_0AQfuoVZmUh2HA4bsdxUzWVy4i4 - Use the code DANGLE at kingstonfrontenacs.com for discounted tickets to SDP night Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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How we doing? I know we've got people all over the bar. There's many rooms. We're so happy to have you here. Now, listen, I don't know how many people have actually been to a live podcast recording, which sounds so sexy. So very sexy.

Listen, here's what we expect and what we need from you. This is a live show, so we want you to be loud. There you go. Good start. That's a great start. We got it going, all right? So, like, we want to hear from you. We want you to boo what you don't like.

We want you to cheer what you do like. All right, you don't have to boo me directly. Like, I just got started, okay? Everybody boo Adam. Boo! Oh, my God, I'm in high school again. So, listen, I just want to say... Where's your leather pants?

So, we just wanted to say thank you so much for being here tonight. Big round of applause to you guys from wherever you came from. Amazing. I know of a few places I've heard from people from Brampton and there's people coming up from Scarborough we had a pilot from Philadelphia fly himself here today

right there it's wild what are you doing? it's amazing you know what's great? he could have just said that it's like, no, I drove from Napanee nobody did any background check

on that guy we've not met him at all Show us your pilot's license. No, he flew here. Whip it out. Do you have a license? Do you actually? Yeah, bring it up here.

Yeah. Bring it up here. I want to see it. What's your SIN number? Unless it says American Airlines, you better walk out. What's your bank password? No, it's okay. It's okay.

You don't have to bring it up here. We believe you. Do you have it? I believe you. No, no. Now he has to do it, Adam. We do believe you. Now he has to do it.

Oh. Whip it out! Whip it out! Whip it out! Whip it out! Whip it out! Let's go. There it is. Thank you. So while we're waiting for that, let me just say this. I felt like a Leaf fan today watching the Kingston Frontenacs for the first time in person in like 20 years. The Frontenacs were the very first OHL team I ever saw.

and it was against the Oshawa Generals. Boo. I was waiting for that. It was a bit of a slow boo, guys. I'm not going to lie. We got to be, come on, sharpen up here. All right? It's not the Peets. It's not the Peets. That's true. No. Correct.

Okay, so let me ask you this. As a France fan, who do you hate more? Is it Oshawa? Is it Peterborough? Who is it? The Leafs. Am I right? The Reps. Okay, fair enough. Now, I'm not sure if you guys saw

while we were all at the game, but the Edmonton Oilers made a signing. The Edmonton Oilers, who've won 13 straight games, today, it looks like, have signed Corey Perry. All right, guys, he's a real pilot. so wait wait wait he's got a photo of it he doesn't have his license because and i've never heard this sentence before he left it on the airplane yeah that makes a lot of sense it's beautiful that's beautiful yeah well you know it's you kind of don't want to carry that stuff

around with you all the time passports pilot certificates but uh yeah okay it's a good safety lesson all right well excellent there you go i believe you so so cory perry is your mic okay So, Jesse's mic is off. We know it's off. We can't hear Jesse. It's what you deserve. There it is. Okay.

We're back. We're back. We're back. So, here's the thing. The Edmonton Oilers, 13 straight wins. Corey Perry added to the lineup. This team could not have started worse, and they could not be better now. I hate it.

And I hate it. And I just wanted to get the room's thoughts on this, on former London Knight. Boo! We got some cheers. Wow. Cheers. Well, actually, some people drove from London. Yeah, makes sense.

Which is almost as impressive as flying from Philly, I think. That's a long drive. What do we think this is going to add to the Oilers here? She says nothing. I think, listen, what do I always talk about with the 2011 Bruins, a team that I'm still fascinated with? It's not just that they had rats, and it's not just that they had guys who would beat you up.

They had enablers. the oilers have enablers right so zach hyman is a handful and he'll score 55 goals on you then you have i don't know if you're legally allowed to boo zach hyman no don't do that i don't know if that's a thing we do no but like then there's evander kane and there's cory perry like dude think about a lot of booze tonight the tampa bay lightning had patrick maroon and Corey Perry on the same line. Imagine something like Perry, Kane, and in the middle you have, who cares,

probably the devil. I assume the devil between those two. When Kane is on the ice with McDavid, he plays like he's seven foot tall. Like he just goes out there and he just tries to hit everybody. And he has this confidence because he knows McDavid's back there

doing all the fancy stuff. And he can just go out there and be the chucculence guy that Berkey wants, you know? Kane, like, he's scary on that Edmonton Oilers team. And then you add, at the center position, Lucifer Morningstar and just it's terrifying

it's terrifying Corey Perry's going to wear 69 or the or the devil yeah the devil would wear 69 kidding

or seven as a joke that's a bible joke Stanley Cup favorites yeah are we in agreement oh the team who won 13 straight yeah

here's what I want I want to see I don't care about the Oilers in Calgary anymore Calgary's irrelevant even if they make the playoffs

who cares they are they are come on I mean Oh, you're going to re-sign Hannafin, are you? Okay, sure. Correct, but also...

I want to see the Edmonton Oilers and the Vegas Golden Knights. Because now you got... Yeah, right? Right? Because now what you have is you've got a group in Vegas that are emboldened. They've won. Their goaltenders are constantly injured. I always wonder what the heck's going on there.

But they are mean and nasty in the playoffs. You saw what they did to the Jets. You saw what they did to the Florida Panthers. and I feel like Corey Perry is a direct answer to what if we have to play the Vegas Golden Knights you know, I'm, listen if the Leafs have to play the Vegas Golden Knights I'll be so thrilled

because I don't know if you know this or not they're in the West and the Leafs would have to win three rounds for the first time since 1932 no, they did they did and people got exceptionally upset and I'm like, okay

is that a flex? Actually we won in the 30s shortly after the Great Depression alright you might as well have not

I believe it was 1927 there was one point when they had three rounds so I guess all the teams made the playoffs

so yeah that's how we won it great job I'm glad that they played all those regular season games so everybody could make the playoffs

that's awesome love is this a hot take if I say the Edmonds and Oilers are still the third best team in Canada

what Who were the first? The Winnipeg Jets, ladies and gentlemen. And then the Vancouver Canucks. And then the Edmonton Oilers. Oh, I don't know. I'm taking goaltending over everybody. Yeah.

Hello, Buck. I'm taking goaltending over everybody. Demko as well. Plus Hughes, Pedersen. Like, the way they're playing, I think, is more of a team game than Edmonton. I think they might still be the third best team in Canada. It's worth mentioning that the Leafs won the deserved win-o-meter over the Canucks last night. So you might have to bump Edmonton to fourth.

They might have to be fourth. Can we win the deserved a couple meter too? I would like that. How about just win the... No. No. Someone said, is this going to be a kid-friendly show? And Adam, you're playing with fire.

We are in a bar, but we got to be careful. Now, obviously, the Leafs played last night. How many people watched it? Oh, man. Wow. We got a grumpy bar tonight. Yeah, I bet you did Listen, how did the Jets do against Winnipeg?

Or how did the Jets do against the Senators? I got to hide under my table here It was a long day, long day, Adam How did the Jets do against the Senators? I actually didn't even see the score Oh, overtime loss Hey, listen, we're used to that as Leaf fans Yeah

Yeah, there you go So, I want to get your take on last night's game, guys because obviously there was a, you know, between a Leafs loss and then a France loss, and now the Leafs are going to play Seattle tonight at nine o'clock, and the Seattle's one of the hottest teams in the league. How are we feeling about last night's game?

I mean, listen, we've rode Mitch Marner a lot as one of the stars who needs to step it up. I know lately it's been John Tavares, obviously, but I'm just talking about over the course of the season, over the last few years, a lot of pressure gets put on them a lot of it goes back to the contract talks we don't need to rehash all of that last night was honest to goodness from start to finish one of the best games i've ever seen them play and they just they they took it and they put it in one of

those metal urinals that's in the washroom at this place they i'm pointing at me i'm talking about urinals i'm pointing at the those urinals they're very handsome urinals they're very tall urinals no and it was it was they had 46 shots which is generally good 31 of them came from the guys who make all the money and the npcs uh only got 15 and dude i hate that term i really do that's mean dude outside okay as far as guys who aren't in the core uh-huh forwards okay who is punching above their salary weight? I think the answer begins and ends with

Callie Yarncrow. Everyone's shouting Callie Yarncrow. Matthew Nise is in a bit of a slump. Not lately. Matthew Nise is in a slump, but if you take the overall performance that he's provided to the Toronto Maple Leafs, being their first line left winger, I think he's overvalued. He's been living

up to his contract, which is nothing. 900 points. Which is rookie. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm really... somebody somebody else that's me how dare you let's not we get a little too caught up in where the leafs are right now and we don't take the season as a whole and i feel like in a matthew nye's situation you know you have to look at a body of work for several months before now he's in a 10 game slump i i do agree with you and he hasn't had a poor season no right now at this

very moment he's drowning and you know one thing that's gotten brought up is the university schedule and a lot of guys really struggle to make that transition from playing what what is it 40 something games yeah something 46 about half yeah then to 82 games how many games is that that's so many games hold on we we have a reason that i'm pointing over here no what's your name come on over here look at this look at that and what is your name because you got a great you you've created this amazing thing for Steve. My name's Natalie Drake, and I paint, and I painted that, and

What does it say for anybody listening on audio tomorrow? It says that's there's 82 games. That's so many games! So many games! By the way, you did a fantastic job. Thank you so much for coming. Yeah, that's really nice. I'm glad you guys like it. It is so many games. It's a lot of games.

It's so many games. Like, at this point, I know Sheldon keeps taking a lot of heat, and the reason for that is it's deserved, but I also don't know if there's a combination you could throw out there that i'd be satisfied with i hope and pray there's at least one change up front tonight and one change on the back is the change nick robertson like what's the change well robertson's got to go in and i know a lot of people are not gonna like this but i can almost guarantee yeah there's a sigh right there's a big

sigh at some point nize as a rookie coming off of college is gonna sit and i honestly think there was a game a week or two ago where he was in uh as jeff merrick likes to put lache bow wow with sheldon keith and there was an injury and i think if there wasn't an injury he probably wouldn't have played um that doesn't mean he sucks it just means he keeps getting caught out there for these 90 second two minute two plus minute shifts and it just i i've never understood the term skating in quicksand it looks like he's skating in quicksand and uh you just need new looks out there i don't know what nick robertson did i think it was keep have a dog it was defensive it was defensive zone miscues it was playing with the puck at his own blue line i know but

not all of them are on an elc though yeah but yesterday uh max domey who like i don't really have a problem with uh he goes out there takes a dumb penalty it costs them the game i know it costs them the game get into the details about that because i hadn't thought of it that way well he beat the crap out of an opponent which isn't allowed for like another several months and uh and he he took he took a penalty soon it'll be legal he and that's when he'll thrive but uh he took a penalty and the leafs ran out of miracles uh the miracle was you begin the period down one against the canucks marner is heroic like he blocks a shot uh the block steal goal it was the sequence by mitch marner that's the mitch marner we know yes it was absolutely

incredible domi takes the second penalty very shortly after and then the leafs allow two identical goals off of domi who sheldon keith i think is basically sub-tweeting uh through through his words saying i don't know who out of the new guys i can trust that and because he can't pick on Tyler Bertuzzi every game and then there's uh Mark Giordano who it was an enormous dive it was an enormous dive but dude they're looking for it they called a cross check three minutes ago what are you doing can't do that is what the call was so I I I said something that I immediately felt silly about because I think Gio needs to sit doesn't mean I hate him it just I would like him to sit but oh man he can't sit tonight why can't he sit tonight because he was captain he's the

former captain of the seattle kraken could never sit him does anyone remember that being a thing yeah okay so a room full of liars big room full of liars you could never remember that at all that's where we got him from yeah and yarn crow gun officially sort of adam do you have the ryan reeves news yeah so ryan reeves did an interview with luke fox today uh and he said you know what you know the headline of the article guys is that uh uh he hates the fact that he's being scratched and you would expect that he would but one of the things that he says in this he's talking about the recent injury or the knee injury you guys remember that right he ran into the boards and because that was a big question here's the quote no no you stay back

stay back he had let me read this big question on last show where the hell is ryan reeves is he still injured or is he healthy to play and they're just not playing he said i have very loose knees i'm not done i have very loose knees i've torn both knees like a ton of times and i just don't feel comfortable on the ice without these he's talking about braces anymore he said i've tried taking them off and my knees are so loose that when i cut like to get out of bed the next morning, something is going to pop out, so I keep him on. Yeah. Stop playing

hockey! At that point, you've got to give it up. Do you think that when they called his agent, were they like, how are those knees? Are they feeling? Would you describe them as loose? How long is the deal? The deal is for two more years.

Three years for a guy who can't get out of bed in the morning. Brad. 82 times 3 is 246 games that's so many games you gotta do some due diligence oh my gosh

and listen if the Leafs lose tonight guys and I don't know if anybody's realized this because it's kind of crept up on them that's 6 losses in 7 games stop it Senators fans stop it You guys.

They have nothing left but shabby foot. That's true, yeah. That's so true. On Ryan Reeves, is that on Bradtree Living for not doing more due diligence? How dare you give three years to somebody who doesn't have knees? I know. No, the new guy's done great. Who doesn't have knees?

I think two. He's openly saying, I don't have knees. He has knees. They're just pointing all over the freaking place. They're just in his shoes. You understand that the whole bar just yelled loose? About a man's knees? About a 37-year-old man's knees!

He's 37. That's bad. So this is going to be a problem. It's going to be a problem. And you know, I think a lot of people give Trillibbing crap for the Klingberg thing. He's not going to play. So I don't think you need to worry about that as much. But I think we're seeing a swing and a miss, and a swing and a miss, and a swing and a miss.

And when the new guy comes in, the new guy always gets a few, a strikeout. That's a strikeout. That was funny. That's fair. Now, I think we can't make a decision on Domi and Bertuzzi just yet. Bertuzzi's metrics are really good. I know you don't want to hear that, but they are. Domi's been, I think he makes things happen, and he does max Domi things,

and you take the good with the bad. So we can call that two strikes, two balls. Yep. Simon Benoit's got to be a pop fly at least. Angel Hernandez over here. I don't know. I don't know, man. Tyler Bertuzzi,

you ever watch the Charlie Brown cartoons? Yes. He looks like Snoopy's brother. He kind of does. A few of you got that. It's very niche, but he looks just like him.

I got no idea what you're talking about. Google Snoopy's brother. I promise you, he looks just like him. You don't need to Google Snoopy's brother. I don't know if I need to do that.

Him losing the tooth the other night, too, where he got cross-checked in the mouth. So I looked at the replay. He got hit in the gums where his tooth used to be. The tooth was already missing.

Oh. Yes. I was confused as well. Right. So he was simply bleeding from his gums, which is only two minutes. Is that...

Yeah, what is that? How did that happen? A bad league. It's a cross-check, not a high stick, right? Yeah. But isn't... Oh, that's better.

Isn't the stick high when you're cross-checking? Adam, that's semantics. Semantics? It was a low cross-check. I'm wrong, I guess. I guess. Oh, they're Snoopy's brothers.

They're Snoopy's brother. Here, let me hold your phone. Can anyone see this? There you go. You can all see it. Yeah, I'm sure you can all see it. Thanks. Hold it up a little better.

There you go. For the camera. I like that. Also, that's an Android user, everybody. Let's point it. It's not yours. Liar. Steve, how do you feel about Androids?

Stupid. That's a long time deep cut. Oh, well, I've tried them twice. iPhone did break my phone. But now we're on Apple Music And podcasts So check us out there We're also on Google

We're also on Spotify So what do you need to see? The Leafs are playing the Kraken tonight By the way, afterwards, obviously we're going to meet everybody Steve's going to drive home And watch what he can of the game And then do an LFR Which is commitment

Once or twice a year I've got to listen on the radio So what what do we need from the Seattle Kraken to feel good about ourselves? Because if you remember last loss, did you say a loss? No. Okay. All right. Yeah, that would help. Yeah. So what, what do we, cause, cause Keefe said, you know, what, the reporter asked him, what do we, what do we take away from the game? And he said, we didn't get two points. Yeah. And you know what?

That is the way I'm looking at this. Like they're, they're really struggling right now. And that win against the Calgary flames was not a Mona Lisa, but you know what it was an end to a four game skin and all of a sudden if you pull off a comeback win over the Canucks next game it's almost almost like all is forgotten it certainly makes you feel better about your recent history uh in the league so if you play a ho-hum game but you come out of it with two points that's good enough get on the very long plane ride home and you can feel good about yourself and build on it you'll lose it's six out of seven the fans are going to be really

pissed off but that team has got to be really pissed off at each other for five or six hours in the air yeah how many card games do you think will be going on there and it matters it meant like the leafs were not doing so good yeah then uh i they won one or two games we went to the Leafs Canucks game in Toronto Leafs had a comeback win there couple fights the very next time they were all together long flight to

Sweden and they rode it the whole way they won both their games in Sweden they kept winning after they got back I think it matters the plane is magic tell them pilot guy yeah what's with the schedule because they fly back home

to Toronto and they play Winnipeg and then they fly to Winnipeg to play Winnipeg. Why do they skip over Winnipeg and then go back? Well, and remember they just did California too. They did California like a week and a half ago and then they came home and they're like, we're here, okay, now we have to leave. It's a low-key nightmare month

except you don't complain about doing California because that means you have to play the teams in California, which right now is actually okay outside of the Kiggs. Well, actually, the Leafs caught them sort of in the middle of this downturn. Then they play the Ducks who borderline don't count.

And the Sharks who I'm bullish on the Sharks They should be at least 25th Don't laugh I'll hear you Let's say hypothetical world The Leafs get absolutely destroyed Against Seattle tonight

Any chance Sheldon Keefe Does not survive Monday Sheldon Keefe will be The head coach unless they lose A billion games in a row Is 6 of 7 a billion? it's too many it's so many games but it's not too many games if that makes sense okay um like listen uh cj whatever he says on the chris johnston show that's gospel and he said like

listen it's not going well right now but uh they have no immediate plans to get rid of sheldon keith if you lose something like 10 straight that's when you throw your entire plan out the window i don't think the oilers went into the season thinking they were going to fire jay woodcroft but then they spent enough time in that crater and they said hey maybe we should crawl out of it uh who should we hire i don't know mcdavid's junior coach dude that's not gonna work you can't just hire mcdavid's junior coach and it worked immediately edmonton oilers are now third in the pacific division by the guys uh when uh before when knoblock took over they were behind the san jose sharks i believe yeah yeah so they've got 53 points and i believe that's one more than the

leafs so maybe a coaching change could work well okay so adam if you're brendan you're not firing i don't i don't think so here's the thing here's what the leafs uh uh management group doesn't like doing okay um smart things bell rogers i don't know if you guys ever are acquainted with bell and rogers but what they don't like doing is ed your opinion not mine i don't work there anymore. Go for it. Cell phone bills are coming up this week. You guys don't like paying all that money?

Well, what they don't like doing the politicians that they are is putting your hard-earned cell phone bills towards a coach who isn't coaching for the team. From what we know, when Mike Babcock was let go like, what, three, four years too early?

From what they expected, because they signed him to a gigantic deal. Well, let's be careful with too early. Not too early, but it was, you know. Well, for the contract, anyway. That contract, sitting on the books for that long, changed the policy internally at MLSC. And what they said was, we're not doing that again. And if you remember this summer, even though they didn't need to,

they extended Sheldon Keefe two years. Right? Two years. So you're paying a guy $3.5 million again to sit again, and you've got to pay another coach another $3 million again. And you know what? You're in a desperate situation. So if you're calling, I don't know who you're calling. Everybody seems to want Berube. If you've watched Blues games, you do not want Berube.

We got a long boo from the back. Yeah, thank you. Boo, Berube. He might have just been saying Berube. Yeah, he might have. I'm not sure. I was saying Berube. I don't think Berube's the guy.

I don't think Gerard Gallant's the guy. I think you're kind of stuck this year with what you got. And if you've been listening to CJ, if you've been listening to Freedj, All those guys are saying, listen, not expecting much from the Leafs at the trade deadline this year. And it's because what have they shown us? When you look at, and people forget this, they only really remember the David Ayers game for the game. It was a lovely game. Right after that game, they were supposed to put pen to paper with Zach Bogosian.

He was a free agent. They were going to sign him. They were going to make a few trades at the trade deadline. And they told him, Zach, we're going to save you from us. Yeah. That's how bad it was. So they didn't sign him. And then, of course, we got into the pandemic, and it was brutal.

But the point is, Dubas didn't believe in that team enough to start making trades or start signing people for him. And it seems like that's how they feel this is now. Now, I don't put this at the feet of Bradtree Living yet. Oh. Yet. Listen, I don't like the free agent signings either. I know. I know.

I know. Exactly. That's so many days. i think i think you got to give him a summer where he didn't walk in right after the draft yeah so wait they're they're the richest team like in the sport is making decisions based on we don't want to pay a guy to not work for us right that is correct that is how big telecom works that is not a general manager problem that is above general manager so it lands with ownership, and it lands with the

president who's been here for 11 years. Yeah. And if you're not blaming Brad for the team construction, I blame Shanahan, because he has been at the head of it this entire time, and from what we know, he's been controlling a lot of Dubas' moves. He wants the

core to stay together, and if the team is a mess right now, there's a person you can blame. Yeah. And I think that that is going to be very, very interesting, and I know you probably don't care about the business side enough, but the president, the new guy, is going to be looking at everything.

Keith Pelley. We all worked under Keith Pelley at Rogers one time. Yeah, not the president of the Leafs. The president of MLSC. Yeah, so they got a brand new guy. His name is Keith Pelley. He used to run TSN. Then he ran Rogers Sportsnet, obviously, and then signed the NHL deal that Rogers now has. Like, this guy has made some moves

in the industry. Then he went and he ran the European Golf Tour for five or six years. As you do. I remember reading an article that's like, wow Keith Pelley's a real innovator and it's like and I read the byline and he's allowing the golfers to wear shorts and I was like

listen and a game as traditional as golf that's not easy to do and it's in Europe so listen so he's come in he's known for changing things up and I wonder if you don't sit there and think he's got to be looking at the Leafs top down and the Raptors

top down and going how are we feeling about things you know what we did it everyone congrats we've come full circle We went from... Dude, there is a website dedicated to the Leafs called Pension Plan Puppets. It was about the ownership of the Leafs getting in the way,

and now here we are. We got a new guy in charge, and we're like, please interfere with the daily operations of this team. Well, I think we gave it 10 years. Right? Adam, that's not true. I think how much patience do we need?

We gave it 11. Oh, okay. 11 years. That's so many years. That's so many years. So many years, yeah. Believe me, I thought of that, but I was like, you're overdoing it, Steve.

Just tap the sign. It really is amazing that she painted that. It's such a nice sign! It's really nice. That's awesome. That's really cool. I love when people walk up and they're like, hey, we're so glad you put on this event

and they hand you something and you're like, wow, I'm so much more talented than you. I'm like, we just sit here and talk about the leaves and she's painted that. It's amazing. So, wow, you did it while watching us. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

That means at some point you had to ignore us. So, here's the other question, and I don't know who's getting the start tonight. Sammy. Sammy's getting the start. Okay. Sammy did good in his last game, guys. Right? Yes.

We're rooting for Sammy, right? Here's the bar. The team let him down. Oh, yeah. The team let him down. Here's the bar. Don't allow six goals on 21 shots. That's what it was yesterday, man.

I know Jones has been good, but that was... Well, 50 to 21 were the shots. Or 48 to 21. Give the boys a chance to win. Amen. Now, I did want to ask you guys about this, too, because I think it's important. If they did make a move at the deadline,

would you be against... And Steve and I talked about this on the car on the way up So I just want to run this by We have run this by Steve I want to know if the room Would be against them selling At the deadline If you're going in

Sell what? Sell what? Bertuzzi for one Bertuzzi could go If you don't believe in the team, Domi could go Domi wants to be here You want me to set this room on friggin fire? Simone Benoit

can you believe he's that guy yeah the room is like so you're talking he's him tj tj brody i think you could yeah ufa in the same way that uh bill's fans are shoveling out their arena i will drive him oh wow whatever destination you're out on brody yeah well like i'm out on forcing him at this point okay i cannot blame he's why is he still on the top pair and then lilligren goes out there yesterday and goes here's why like yeah dude he was bad he went and he just when he puts together a few games and you're like hey that guy's pretty good he's like oh sorry let me correct that for you and handle this thing like a gosh darn grenade yes what about bertuzzi the coach i think hates him like as a player

and possibly human being I don't know about their personal relationship but it just feels like you know when the core four makes a mistake it's you know what I'm sorry and we should never fight again we should never fight again and I'm really

I'm sorry about that Tyler get to the bench faster you Charlie Brown cartoon looking jerk Willie doesn't apply to that. Like, Willie will get benched in the snap moment. He's all over Willie.

You're right. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he's in that little bubble of Sheldon Keefe's, like, petting bubble that you were doing there. Petting bubble? Yeah, he was petting people. Does that make you uncomfortable?

Yes, a little. If I'm pretending that that's Matthews and Marner, that's weird. That was hot. Steve just kissed a hockey puck if you're listening to this. With T.J. Brody, he's become that guy who's got to play on the first lines because Sheldon Keefe can't trust anybody.

You know, at least T.J. Brody's been here for a long time and has shown that he can be a reliable defenseman. Everybody else is whatever we can get at you, magic beans. So this is why I keep trying to look at the big picture because everyone's like, fire the coach. And, okay, I personally am open to it. but fire the coach and then do what you you see how the roster higher dom do charm oh god are you trying to get knocked don't you know don't you dare wish that evil on me who who said that when

it comes to firing terrible coach when you fire him it becomes what it happens to every other team that fires their head coach now it's on the players so if we have a new coach in there if this doesn't work now now we know it's roster construction so you move on from to that i think i think well we're obviously thinking about like what's happened with the oilers and the oilers have always had flaws but even when they were losing all these games there was still an element of huh that's odd yeah that's odd and then the leafs did make some fundamental changes and you go okay let's see how this goes and now it's a little bit of mystery box is the roster just this bad, or do the Leafs not

have the right coach right now? The answer might be both, which is worse. Do you want Guy Boucher hockey? Do we want... Do we want... I don't know if Sens fans... Sens fans, do we want Guy Boucher hockey? We do not?

By the way, they're both Sens fans, and they're both wearing Tim Stutzla jerseys. Hey! No, boo you! Boo you! That guy is killing me in fantasy this year. Tell him to mix in a goal he's brutal he is killing me right he had two today i still lost by like 40 brutal you made me lose to ian tullock i'll never forgive him what do you think uh stutzler's

contract steve uh not as good as i once thought that's i mean it's still good dude he's gonna be no you're supposed to tell him to take less money because he said he'd play for less oh sorry He said he would play for less, and it turns out he's a liar because there are so many numbers between $775,000 and $8 million that he could have picked, but he chose that. Which number is he playing close to at the moment, closer to? The $775,000 or the $8 million? Well, in terms of value, I'd take Benoit.

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all right now listen what because you guys are all here uh we did want to open it up to some questions and that sort of thing if you've got anything burning that you've always wanted to ask we can't get to everybody but if you do just put up your hand and i'll i'll start uh we'll start with you with the glasses sir i'll go first how do you fly a plane what's your name all right go ahead jason how happy is kyle dubas right now well let's check where pittsburgh from jason How happy are most people who make $7 million American a year? So here, I'll tell you this. So the New York Islanders just fired their head coach.

They have a point up on the Pittsburgh Penguins. And that's pre-firing. So listen, I said, I'm not going to lie, I'm going to own this. I said the Penguins sucked and that Dubas had a bad July 1st, and he did. And it's not because he's a bad GM. It's because they're committed to a plan. And he came in under that plan knowing this is probably not going to work. outdated and what he now gets to do is he gets to go to fenway sports and entertainment

owner of the pittsburgh penguins and say okay i did it your way for a year now now that we have 42 million more that you're going to deposit in my bank account over the next six years how about we do it my way and i think over the next 18 months starting in june if i were a penguins fan i'd be very excited because i still think crosby's going to be good i still think you could probably hang on to malkin i don't know about letang i don't know how he still plays hockey it's crazy and and you know like the amount of career threatening injuries that guy has had yes they need a they need a better goalie they signed him to a bad deal i don't know why they did that they're gonna have to figure a lot of things out adam i'm sorry the islanders are sixth in the

metro with a negative 21 goal differential penguins are plus 15 blue jackets are beneath them with a negative 34 and like even the capitals are in there at negative 24 so you look at the penguins and you go their numbers are good why aren't they winning games and if that isn't kyle dubas in a nutshell yeah they went a month without a power play goal they have an identity steve you don't remember the month where they didn't score a power play goal and we talked about it and then they finally did yeah but there's a regression to the mean and We all need to wait. It's not coming.

They didn't change anything. It's just we talked about how bad they were. And then they started to score. That's what it was. By the way, now they've gone back to normal. Watch. They're going to light whoever they're playing next for three. There's a real case that there's a lot of bad luck with the Penguins is all I'm saying.

Yeah, I bet they would blame it on that. And if that isn't Kyle Tobis in a nutshell. Yeah. The Penguins have a plus 15 goal differential. So do the metropolitan leading New York Rangers. Hockey's a bizarre sport. Bizarre, bizarre sport. That's so stupid.

It's crazy. And funny, and I love it. Next question. We'll go to this side of the room. Yes, sir, with the Santa Claus hat on. All right. Your name? Reese.

Okay, Reese. What's the question? The question was, with the current situation, you know who also players, how do they fix the defense? So how do the Leafs fix the defense? Yes. When you've got so many people making so much money up front. With all the money tied up in, quote, you know who.

Voldemort and the Death Eaters Which makes sense They seem powerful on paper Lose to a bunch of children That's actually really Wow Apropos Wow

Dude I keep coming back to this And I don't want to be There was a comment in the compliment section recently there was when did steve become this guy and and it's just uh i keep going back to they can't go forward with this many guys making this much money so you're asking how do they do it and the reason i keep bringing up is i don't see a way to do it like in order for this to work you need to like the leafs have done some smart things

even though they've decided robertson cannot hit the ice um there's a guy who might work out in your lineup you need young cheap talent up front when you're paying all those guys that money you also have matthew nize you have some other guys who might come into that situation uh who the hell do they have on the back end who's that guy actually i know the answer i know the answer Well, Simon Benoit is that guy, but he's already playing. Is he a noted Alan Walsh client? Well, I do love Wild Bill Lagason. We love Will Lagason.

But I just want to tell you what Sheldon Keefe has decided tonight. We've got the lines. Let's go. Robert Beloy just showed me this, and I know why. So first off, Bobby McMahon is coming out. What? Nick Robertson will be in for him. Hooray.

Hooray. We love Nicky Bob. Nicky Bobby. Okay, second one. Mark Giordano is going to sit tonight. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay.

That is a surprising one. Against his former team? Yeah, given his history with Seattle. Long story to history with that franchise. Connor Timmons is coming in. No! Why? Why?

Why? Why? Why? It's great that everybody here knew what that meant, by the way. Even the Sens fans are like, oh, that sucks for you. So wait, who's he playing? Do you have the combo? I'll get the line.

The pairing, sorry. They're not out yet, but Samsonov is, quote, hungry to get in the net. Sorry, can I just point something out? Yeah, we don't have the line. This is coming from David Alter. who's like the biggest Detroit Lions fan in the world. Yeah. So he waited for the game to be over,

and now he's like, all right, here's a bunch of information. I love it. So what is that? Riley Brody, McCabe Lilligren, Benoit Timmons? Please don't be Benoit Timmons.

You know what? Don't do that to Benoit. I'm listening to this one on the radio. Oh, man. I don't want to watch this. All right. Next question. We're going to go to this side of the room.

We're going to go at the back with the long-haired black sweater right there. Your name is? Hi, Andrew. What's your question? Do you have thoughts on Patrick Waugh of the Islanders? Jesse, Steve, I think you do. I'm excited for what could be the most chaotic tenure of any head coach ever. If you guys don't remember or if you do remember,

Patrick Waugh tried to fight Bruce Boudreaux. He sure did. In his first game as Avs head coach, if I remember correctly. He would also love, he loved pulling the goalie with 10 minutes left. And I pray to the hockey gods that we get more of that. I just want whatever weird shenanigans Patrick Waugh has thought up as time as head coach of the Ramparts in Quebec. I hope that he's bringing it all to the NHL

and we just get chaos out of the Islanders. That would be the most fun thing. He's at very least creative, Jesse. Yeah. We need more of that in hockey. Just wild people doing crazy things. Well, he's certainly that. I mean, the man who invented talking to your goalpost.

That's real, by the way. He used to talk to his goalpost. He also used to do this head nod thing. You guys remember this? We'd just be sitting there like this. Well, he was also one of the first guys to have the neck dangly thing. Oh, yeah, the plastic piece. Is that why he was doing it?

Very important. Trying to get it out. It looked like some sort of mating thing from like a wildebeest. I saw a TikTok recently of this thing with this huge nose, and it wagged it around. Oh, I saw that one. We all have the same life, basically, with the internet. We're just all on the same algorithm.

First of all, for entertainment purposes, perfect. Chef's kiss, yes. Chef's kiss, it's amazing. However, I would like to point out a reason to keep Sheldon Keefe. He has more playoff series wins than Patrick Waugh. stop it well patrick waugh had three seasons as the avs head coach three seasons as the yeah and whose fault is that he quit yeah he quit on his buddy who he won cups with and uh like producer drew was like yeah sakic traded away some guy he wanted to keep and i'm like oh who was that

and he's like i think it was nick holden i'm like nick holden that's who you quit over sense fans question mark like that patrick waugh was feeling that strongly i didn't think we'd go one of the Sens fans this much, but you know, they've been really reliable resource here. Yeah, well, you know, it's about time we punch back. Right? Like, he doesn't, for a guy with the

hype that he has, he does not have the NHL head coaching resume. He's one in junior, but it's not apples to oranges, or apples to apples. Rather, Sens fans, I'll go to you again. You know who won a Memorial Cup? DJ Smith.

That was that was a sound that came out like he won it when that's how long he won it when Vancouver was competing

for the Stanley Cup the last time hot damn yeah right and now he's got to come back by the way I just want you guys

to know for the person that asked the reports out of the Islanders practice today is that Patrick Walsh stopped some of the drills dead

and screamed at the players oh gosh so however long this lasts we're in for a ride. You left out the most important part. While clean-shaven.

Oh, Lou made him shave. Made him shave. None of those players should be talking back to him, though, because the Islanders, for the hot start that they had, they had a 12-2-2 run to start the season. Right now, they sit 23rd in goals for, 26th

in goals against, 29th on the penalty kill, 31st in shots against per game. Every single aspect of the Islanders right now is bad. They're making the playoffs. They needed a change. Lane Lambert couldn't do this anymore, so none of those players

can say anything. That and Patrick Wilde, punch him in the throat. Islanders were 2-6-2 in their last 10. So that's not great. And you know what pushed it over the edge? A loss to the Blackhawks. Which you can't do. We got two of those.

That's great. I'm going to take from this side of the room again. Who do we have? Orange hat, sir. Steve, question? Yeah, so obviously with the Leafs' goaltender situation right now, we know it's not the best. We know that Sam Snow is going back and everything like that. What do you think the Leafs could do to potentially complement them

and complement that goaltending situation rather than hindering themselves further down the line because that's all they seem to be doing, right? Yeah, I mean, it's... Repeat the question for people on audio. So the question is, what do they do about the goaltending? Yeah, what do they do about the goaltending? uh basically how do they accentuate and help the goaltending basically like there's one i mean

there's one option go out there and get a better goalie well that's easy you know uh joseph wall was playing fantastically he's coming off a high ankle sprain so like will we see him at the crazy balls of the walls 5 10 bell saves a game uh level this season or is that gonna have to be a next season thing it's weird they know how to just say hey you're not getting any shots tonight like we all talk about the 42 year old zamboni driver who works for them the the leafs mustered i think it was seven shots against that guy seven or eight um and they and they did score thank you pierre engvall for making him the goalie of record in that game so that he got a win allowing goals is what made him the goalie of record by the way no one ever mentions that

uh allowing two goals um but there was a game where sammy was really fighting it before he got sent down to the marlies i think it was against nashville and they just decided uh we're the best defensive team in the world tonight and they allowed 18 shots i think and he got the shutout because yeah he only faced 18 shots and then they hit the ice like the next game and it's like they completely forget all of it so jones i think listen he's better than we probably give him credit for but i think a big part of his success with the leafs so far has been they've made his job relatively easy and then the canucks game happened and he just he turned into vapor yes completely turned into vapor so um i think one way to make your

goaltending better value go there and get a better decor like the goaltending there are aspects of that where we're like this could work we could have enough guys this guy could come it so i saw someone with a dennis hildeby leafs jersey and it's not a marley's and it is a leafs jersey that's incredible wow he's not on the bench it could be could be when when it could be bench warren yes um but uh i i don't know if you could put george vesna himself in there with this decor and expect a much different result you you need you need uh to not allow 50 uh power plays i mean the pen one thing that is killing this team goaltending defense all of it the penalty kill sucks and like how do we go from Sheldon Keefe is scratching Mark Giordano for Connor Timmons

and the next game when Giordano gets back in the lineup he'll be on the first PK pair please make it make sense I don't get it I don't get it so there's a long answer that was a long that was a surprisingly long answer and then you got your back into it and everything it was crazy I arched it. All right. Yes, go ahead. If we get, like, an Olympic or not Olympic, a world championship. Best on best.

Yeah. Yeah. Will we get a line of... That's not the question. That's not the question. I'll repeat the question. Don't worry. I can see her.

That's why. We can't see with the lights. okay so the question is so if if we do get a best on best tournament which will be canada united states finland sweden and that's it sorry about your luck don't care where you're from sorry czech republic russia we can understand at the moment i get it but like come on um if we get a mcdavid crosby bedard line is what she was asking about has there ever been that much talent on the team? And the answer is yes. The 87 Canada Cup.

I was going to say that's got to be the only thing that's close. Yeah, because you had Gretzky and Lemieux playing together. Was that LeFleur? She's referring to more the generational divide there of three players from three different

eras. Oh, that's a good point. If I understand it correctly, right? That's a really good point. Yeah, yeah. You know what? I don't know. I don't think we've ever had that. That's a really good point actually now that I think about it. 87, 97, 05. I don't think so. I mean, you could look at...

Yes, he was born in 2005. We're all old. Yes. Yes. I hate it. I hate it. Depression. Man, remember that full season lockout

and Conor Bedard goes, no, I wasn't alive. We were in high school. Yep. Oh, my gosh. Cool. Well, everybody's sad again. It's been a way to bring the mood down.

That's a really good point, and I would really like that to happen. You've got to pick the room back up. That's so many games. The Leafs have 189 games in a row without a shutout. What's that? Wow. Which was the 80s, and that was crazy, yeah. Yep.

How? How? Well, okay. Yeah, it's a pretty cool record for the Leafs. It's cool, and I don't think there is a record, and I think it's, isn't it Detroit that holds the overall record? Or do they pass Detroit? Flames.

What is it? So they'd have to do that next year. So 264 is the record that is held by the Flames in what year? In 1981. The Leafs are at 196, you said? 189. That's more than three full seasons. They got three years to go to try and beat this.

So it's really what's impressive and what's exciting about the NHL right now is that goal scoring is up to levels that we not 80s levels. Like if you go watch an 80s game, by the way, you can watch them like all for free on YouTube. I don't know who's uploading these clips, but they're amazing. And thank you, because I get to watch like playoff games and weird Molson commercials from 1986. Set your phone to steal. Yeah. But what's crazy is the amount of scoring is up. You know, we're starting to see guys, McDavid, Dreisaitl, hit the 120, 130, 140 point range.

And that's where the NHL is really at a sweet spot. The reason that all of our, like, moms and dads were like, oh, hockey sucks now compared to what it was in the 80s is because people want to see goals. And for whatever reason, you know, the neutral zone trap and goaltending pads getting bigger and all the other things. um things like the leafs being second overall ever in the amount of goals in a game or whatever however you describe that record uh non-shutout non-shutout it makes things fun it's it's fun when records are approached it's fun when records are broken and so the game actually that listen i don't love the nhl business sometimes and their decisions and i think we all know why but i think the product the hockey itself i don't know if it's ever been better no it hasn't it's amazing

every i you know what wayne gretzky has been such a gift uh on tnt because you know he's not lying when someone does the michigan and he gets on tv and he just goes i can't do that it's true i could never do that and it's true and you might go well it was it was it was his equipment or blah blah blah yeah that's part of it like it's not that he wasn't talented enough it's that even if he was he was playing with a basically straight wooden stick. Yeah. It just wasn't possible. And a very thin plastic bowl as a helmet.

Yes, and someone would have taken a baseball swing in his neck if he tried it. Yeah. Well, and Gretzky probably, what's cool about the evolution of the game is YouTube. YouTube has changed hockey. What was it a couple of years ago? There was a kid out of Japan who had this crazy sizzle reel.

And a lot of the stuff that he learned, And he learned from watching hockey YouTube videos. And so the Michigan, all the kids and junior can do it now because what do they watch? They watch Zegras do it. And then they log on their computers and they watch it over and over again. And they practiced it. Pavel Barber. Oh, yeah.

Pavel Barber, he uploaded a between-the-legs pass. And it was used in an NHL game. It led to a scoring chance. It didn't end up going in. I saw him have a back-and-forth with someone. But, like, these guys are scouring the internet. and like it it's probably just passively they're not like ah yeah i'm gonna surf the explorer tab and try to you know earn a million dollar contract or whatever you know they're just in their they

just love hockey they just love hockey and then they're on the ice the next day a few days later and they're like well there's this i could try this and oh it worked and like there was a an underrated moment uh i can't remember if it was the canucks game or the one before david camp was behind the opposing net, he thought about it. He thought about it. Do you see what I saw? And you were like, did he? He did.

And we know he did because he's tried it before and that is David somehow Kampf. By the way, there is a David Kampf jersey in the house tonight. Where are you? Where are you? He's wearing it.

Oh, he changed. Why did you change up your David Kampf jersey? You didn't want to be that guy here. Okay. All right. We got time for another question, and then we're going to meet and greet afterwards. So, you know what? I haven't gone, like, far back in that part of the room.

Does anybody back there have anything? No? We're going to be silent, okay? There's somebody sitting right here. You sitting down. What's your question? Sir. Sir.

The question is, is this the first time do you think Sheldon Keefe has felt handcuffed by the core four? I do think... Did you just say, nah, he likes that? Wow. As in, Sheldon Keefe likes being handcuffed. Girl. All right.

All right. What are we working with? I didn't know it was that kind of a party tonight. You're taking an Uber, right? Oh, you're dating the Sens fan? Well, that explains it. That's okay. What was the question again?

The question was about does he feel handcuffed to the core for? I think it's creeping in for the first time. And the only reason I say that is he benched and demoted John Tavares. Did that happen to him as a rookie on the Islanders? How long did that really last, though, Steve? Max Domi on the second line. Mitch Marner on the third line happened for a game. Like, that was a full game.

Hey, Babs had him down there for, like, a couple weeks. Yeah, but he was, like, 20 at that time. You know, it's a little different. Whatever line Marner's on in that situation, if he's not with Matthews, okay, whatever line Matthews is on is the first line. Whatever line Marner is on, if he's not with Matthews, is the second line. And then there's John Tavares, which should say something about how his season has gone recently.

I think that game, it was JT and Willie, was it not? That's got to be the second line. Mitch Marner was on the third line with Domi and Yarncroke. Let's call a spade a spade here, Steve. Why are you protecting Mitch? They did list it as the second line. They officially listed it

on the... They put the graphic up on Twitter. They had Domi, Yarncroke, Marner. As if we were like, okay. You can put them on whatever line you want. That's the first line. You can't lie to me. What do you do about...

I'm going to add on to that question. so you're Sheldon Keefe you're feeling handcuffed you may like it at home but at work what do you now do play the 5.5 million dollar winger who has six goals nope

play the 3 million dollar center who can't play defense nope play the William Lagasin ever nope play Nick Robertson who's got some potential nope play Ryan Reeves who has loose knees nope play your most expensive

goaltender nope like I think he's feeling handcuffed and I think it's by more things than the core four there it is thank you for the giggity alright now we just want to say to everybody who was

here for the skate for everybody that came to the game for everybody who's here tonight we just want to say how much we appreciate coming here and how much we love you and thank you for allowing us to do this for a living because we would not be able to if it were not for you. So thank you all so much for being here.

Yeah. Well, we'll figure that out. But we've got some times for some meet and greet and that sort of thing afterwards. And yeah, I think that's it. I think we're, yeah. Great ending.

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