The Steve Dangle Podcast - Lunch Money | October 28, 2022

Episode Date: October 29, 2022

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We're not. We're going to start it with something really positive. Although the Canucks is extremely positive. We're going to start it with the fact that noted Alan Walsh client David Juracek makes his NHL debut tonight for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Wait, who? It would be noted Alan Walsh client David Urachek

Oh no Oh yeah Oh no Oh no don't look Oh it's a noted shirt Yeah I thought that would come off a little cleaner Also you can tell you have not

Watched that game over sweater Because you got fuzzies all over you You gotta watch it when you get it Yeah you always gotta watch stuff once well now we know this did not go as smoothly as you thought it would go still good i just want to show that to alan anyway um hey uh the vancouver canucks have finally vancouver canucks have finally won a game steve is uh steve still doing the we're still doing the picture no you had it you had it there you go there there you go there's my boobs

Vancouver Canucks win a game Can we play the Bruce Boudreaux post game Because it's a Something that's not going to get our channel Tagged for we can't look at this You never know You just never know But I don't think this will

Bruce Boudreaux after the game I haven't had a chance to give this belt away here But I could give it to I started off give it to 20 guys Because you worked your ass off But the reason I'm going to I want to give it right now to bowl for one reason.

He won 20 f***ing face-offs. Every f***ing important face-off, he was there. The penalty killing was f***ing amazing. And he's our captain. He led the way today. Let's f***ing go bowl. Come on, Rich! He hasn't lost his edge. No, he hasn't. He's the exact same guy

from the HBO thing. Longer than we wanted. Game puck, Bruce. We don't need to keep going. No, I want to hear Bo! Oh, you didn't even know. 400-600. There it is.

So, that's pretty cool. Could they have sworn in that? I feel like they might have. That sounded like Morse code. But you know what? They deserve it. They deserve it. That was, you know, that was a long time coming.

I'm sure that felt great. What's crazy is when you look at this game, the Vancouver Canucks had 19 shots the entire game. That's how as bad Seattle is because they had 36. and they still managed to lose. Get a goalie, bro. Like, holy. Yeah, like, you're bad.

You're really bad. Mikheyev played and scored in this game, which was amazing. The Vancouver Canucks really needed that. Matty Beneers has four goals already. Yes. Nobody's talking about it, but he's got four goals

because Connor McDavid already has two hat tricks, so it's a footnote. Listen, listen. Who cares? My fantasy team. Thatcher Demko, big dub! Yeah, big dub. Big dub!

Does that mean you're going to win this one this week? Well, I'm not winning right now, and also JT Miller is day-to-day. Well, what if you win tonight? Oh, no, Thatcher won't be in tonight. But JT Miller being day-to-day allowed me to make a waiver claim, so now I have both Bruins goalies. So figure that one out. And if I got my numbers right,

Bruce Boudreaux is the second fastest coach to hit 600 wins as a coach. I bet it didn't feel fast. No, I bet it didn't. The last few weeks. Yeah. Yeah, it's a heck of an accomplishment for a guy that supposedly is on the hot seat, although I still don't know how. So October 27th is when they got their first win of the season.

Season started two weeks ago. They just got their first win. They are not last in their division. Who's last in the division? The Ducks. Wow, because they got the two overtime dubs, right? Yep. Or losses.

Yep. Wow. Yep. Man, do away with loser points. Yeah. Anyway, Leafs play the Ducks on Sunday. Have fun with that, everybody. well and we do have to talk about the Leafs you know I I do wonder for this for the Canucks and

and we'll talk about it coming up with uh Dave Bastel from Sports Interaction but going into the Penguins thing tonight do you feel like we got to keep this going because ultimately it's still fragile or do you feel like it's a new lease on life if we don't win whatever it's a back-to-back we'll move on um yeah I mean you can't in their position and I know this is going to sound hypocritical when it comes to the Leafs but in the Canucks position you can't live and die by every loss you needed to get the one no you need to die by every loss at least that's how the canucks have handled it this year like at the end of the day you you beat seattle because you should yeah you should and this is pittsburgh on the second half of a

back-to-back yes at no point in time since the schedule has come out has any canucks fan looked this game and been like this is one they have to win you know what i mean this there's a reason we highlighted this back-to-back on the last show i was like okay you got seattle first half you got to win that one because you know you're not beating pittsburgh yep if they beat pittsburgh i mean you're still off to a god-awful start but that's a hell of a way to get out of it you win back-to-back games and it's against the team you frankly shouldn't have beat the penguins in a back-to-back scenario is bad it's bad if you win this one it's gravy if you don't win this one try to win the next one it's that simple there it is i know that was a very

hockey answer who's the backup who's starting tonight spencer martin what's martin all right yeah because like we brought up demko and like i wonder how the change and having martin in there is gonna affect the the team tonight because he wasn't good last night we're seattle demko demko wasn't like he was he let in uh a couple a couple easy ones and like the deep on the maddie veneers goal like he was just he was the the next closest player was in like alberta it was it was disgusting defense there but like demko didn't help them at all in a 5-4 game in all season he's under 900 i think i had it up here he's a uh i don't have a safe percentage 800 892 846 then a 923 versus carolina and then an 889 last night like demko hasn't been great and i wanted just

to switch to spencer martin tonight it'll help the team a little yeah but like you got to look at some of those goals man like i i did dang it's yesterday so i'm a little fresh on this stuff that overtime winner from minnesota is one of the funniest goals i've ever seen it's one of the funniest goals i've ever seen there are i think plenty of ahl penalty kills who would have had a better opportunity of stopping there's been no defense from the canucks all season no and like and it continued jt miller was like the least responsible person on that play and he still looked shambolic like it was any anyway whatever we're not talking about their losses we're talking about their wins they won try to build off it i think getting a point against pittsburgh is a

victory okay for them well and they can do that they can do that um another team that got a point last night the toronto maple leafs man now we're not going to do anything we're getting into you can bet that first but then it's toronto maple leafs time so let's get into it sports interaction canada's sportsbook presents you can bet that with david bastall must be 19 plus please play responsibly ontario only now we just talked about it the canucks finally get their win They get their win. Thatcher Demko starts. They get their win.

Demko dub. Demko dub. If they hadn't have, this would have been even more interesting because they're playing the Pittsburgh Penguins in the second half of a back-to-back, which has got to be hell. Dave, what do the lines look like? What are you thinking with this game? Yeah, and that's exactly right.

It's a back-to-back. Back-to-back homes, which is a little bit easier than back-to-back aways, right? But you're getting a much better opponent here. The Pittsburgh Penguins off to a pretty good start. their favorites on the road at 1.5554 somewhere in that range uh vancouver heavy dogs at 255 i don't know if the canucks go back to back especially with the backup goalie as well expected tonight for the canucks so uh what do you guys think are they are they going two in a row could they do it i mean i watch them take a month off because of covid and then win back to

against the leafs but they're playing the penguins yeah so i'm gonna take the penguins yeah i'm going penguins on that yeah uh the second one which has got to be the worst matchup of the of the uh of the whole weekend no one likes this game no the coyotes and the winnipeg jets this is the most watched game of the season the debut of mullet arena oh like i'm tuning in to coyotes jets tonight all right does that actually affect you come on does that affect the lines though dave and by the way we give dave shit because he's from winnipeg by the way in case anybody doesn't know the inside joke what what what is the uh uh uh like does that play into this at all i don't think so i think the only thing we've heard about this mullet arena is how terrible the accommodations

are for the for the visiting dressing room which uh today's the one i think just the reason i picked this is of course it's winnipeg related but it's always jets versus jets in my eyes because the coyotes were the jets of the past it's it's almost the type of game for me as a jets fan that i i want to see a beat down on this team you know what i mean so it's it's personal but most of these things are when it comes down to the jets uh back to back as well uh backup goalie starts for the jets as well and well you guys know about uh how good david riddick is yeah he is he is yeah they call him big save dave because he makes one oh that's it one singular yes uh now now before we go i i i just want to say that we we we just were awed by david's jersey selection today that is a

campbell conference jersey it's it's number 10 who so who's on the back is it howard chuck dale howard chuck yes okay from the from the late 80s early 90s and and i've got to say because that's what the conferences or sorry the divisions used to be called now i've got to ask david do you have because you you were like oh this old thing i just threw it on it was no big deal i want to know do you have like a jersey collection that you're hiding from us oh yeah yeah i probably have about 50 jerseys yeah oh can you start showing them off i guess i i mean i well you know you guys probably have the same amount because over the years you start collecting them and all of a sudden you look in your closet it's like wow i have 10 leaf jerseys yeah wait you know what i

me like because i have about 10 or 15 jet jerseys right we'd like to see them i think you need to start breaking them out man okay every okay i'll tell you what every friday i'll throw on a different jersey new jersey friday new jersey friday friday better than the team love it well much better than the team thanks so much have an awesome weekend day you too buddy we'll see you monday sports interaction.com slash sdpn and follow him on twitter at dave bastl and at sia sport ah leafs lose another quote unacceptable game yep they do lose a lot of unacceptable games every loss this season that the leafs have had has been against a team that did not make the playoffs last year so if you want proof that the leafs do play down to their competition it's not

just your eyes this does happen now a lot of people are going to point to this one stat okay Okay. Right now, the Leafs are 27th in goals for per game in the entire NHL, 29th in five on five goals per game. When you have the firepower that they have, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Robertson looks good. Bunting started kind of cold. You expect some of that to change, correct? like at the end of the day there's no real reason to freak out here when you're just the puck's just not going in for you is there steve well you know uh the puck's not going in for them but my question is are they putting themselves in a position to score because they seem to get goalied a lot and oh sorry sorry this is my list of excuses from last year uh from that rangers game uh against shisterkin it's the same goddamn team it's the same team year in year out it's disheartening you hear it in my voice yes i'm tired because of the the schedule last night it's the same

damn team so the puck's not going in for them and it should be going in more like we've seen some ridiculous it shouldn't be black box bad no like that that one uh that's saved by logan thompson in the vegas game yeah it's like absolutely ridiculous and wasn't there another one like off a pad and off the post or something yeah like they've gotten unlucky but like last night was the leafs in a nutshell they're playing a bag of crap team the sharks are they're not they're terrible they're awful and the leafs fall down 3-1 because they took i mean how many two minute five on threes are there a season it's not many how many how many teams go a full season without even giving one up like a two like a clean two minutes two minute five on three it's very

rare so Leafs go down 3-1 and then what happens they Harlem Globetrotters their way to bringing themselves within one because that's something they're capable of Austin Matthews has the best shot in the league he uses it on the power play it goes in that's not a surprise that was an inevitability but they lose they lose because for the rest of the game they're just not there they don't look interested they don't look like they care they're the most swaggerless uh group that i've seen since the last one um it's it's bad it's dire and last night was sort of my you know uh flag in the in the earth this team needs a change uh i've seen enough well it's only been eight games shut up they're third in the division steve i'm begging you to shut are they

seriously yeah well you have elia simsonov to thank for that they are sixth in the conference absolutely hilarious absolutely hilarious they adam they should be first in the league they should i know that sounds unreasonable they look at the bruins record why isn't that your record they're seven and one played yeah look at the teams you've played and didn't i call it didn't i call it because the bruins play bruins hockey because the leafs have lost four games this year and as i told you at the beginning the only four games they've lost is to non-playoff teams and i gave uh i gave jesse shit a couple days or last week i think it was when the sharks beat the rangers i was like what do you think about that like you know it was supposed to be

like a fun thing yeah and and to be honest with you the two sharks wins have come against the rangers and the leafs the rangers i think was the second half of a back-to-back was it not i believe it was and i don't think shirkin was playing and then the leafs it's just and so so here's the thing both things can be true this can be a very good team but still not live up to expectations As I've told you, to me, if you don't win the President's Trophy, or at least be in within a couple points of it, you should be in the conversation to win the President's Trophy with a group this good. And here's the thing.

Don't take it from Steve or from me or from Jesse when it comes to this team is unfocused and not playing well. Let me tell you what Austin Matthews had to say. I don't think we put together a full 60-minute game. What year is this from? This is from last night. Oh, okay. just just checking david comp it's not an excuse right the season started early uh and he said it's

a good question i think we're trying our best but it's just not coming keith has an answer on where it's coming from it's all from luke fox's article this morning by the way it starts with the d their touches their first touch has to be better now the leafs believe it or not have one of they have the seventh least expensive decor uh on the ice right now at 18.26 million because muzzin's off right but elliot friedman also then said i believe it was post game last night but it might have been in the second period uh he said this team is unfocused i'm paraphrasing here and he does it in his elliot way he's not going to come at you like steven a smith he's very he's very like well if you look at the uh and and it's even p dangle well it has to be very um it has to be overtly

obvious for several rigs before elliot puts a line in the sand last night he put a line in the sand and said listen the team doesn't look focused and they don't look like they're giving an effort so so with all that said they're still in relatively good position so this is easy to turn around but these are problems that we've seen year after year yep so what do you guys think what do you do you got to shake it up you have to make a deal um what i said in the video yesterday is dubas's strategy as the gm of the leafs has been to not blink i'm gonna stick to the process these are my guys loves his guys i'm gonna stick to my guys through thick and thin for better or worse in sickness and in health he's married to this group and it's about time you blink it's a blink

kyle blink for the love of god your eyes are bloodshot well there's a difference between not being overly reactive and not and not acting yeah so don't get them confused right what what happened oh yeah kerfoot could be gone paul could be gone they got a really difficult decision to make with muzzin they didn't do anything they brought back malgan they brought they got zach aston reese okay obey kubel like i'm trying to think who who's the ufa they spent the most money on so kelly yarn samson off isn't it uh i don't remember what yarn croak's making i'm pretty sure it's more than samson oh yeah yarn croak's two points i think they spent over a million dollars on three guys because there was the trade for murray so there's your big hail mary trade with

matt murray and then you go out and get callie yarn croak uh ilia simsonov which so far has been a great bet a great bet that fell into your lap because the caps lost their minds temporarily i guess and obe gubel who's played half the games less kyle you you gotta i don't know if it's him or if shanahan's in his way but both those guys have been in the organization since 2014 and they've gotten nothing done and we're talking about firing the coach well they've gotten things done they have gotten things done matthews and martin no no you know they have they have yeah but to say but but but they got them to the playoffs right but they haven't got beyond that first round right and and so jesse this is where i want to ask you because steve is fully on that

you got to make a move to shake it up sure do you agree uh i don't i don't think you make a move when uh you're at your lowest i don't think that makes sense oh jesse they're not there so there's still time here and like the effort thing i think we need a i think it's important to highlight individuals if we're talking about effort and like what parts of the team aren't trying because last night i saw marcio dano get down on two two knees and save a puck with his glove hand yep don't tell me there aren't players on the team who aren't giving effort what was the stat from the broadcast and i don't know if it remained true after the game but he's the only leaf who hasn't been on for a uh five on five goal against that's unbelievable he's 39 he's

skater in the nhl you all you all but ought to be fucking ashamed and we saw it last season with uh with spezza who every time he was out there he tried his damn hardest and he fought someone once in the playoffs it's crazy how it's always the the old geezer who's been through this and knows that these chances don't come along they need a babysitter and they need a babysitter but the babysitter the teacher that they have uh the sl in the classroom isn't teaching them well enough because you see you see the core out there and it like you said it hasn't really changed what if they're unteachable exactly so like we've we've come to the point that this group just probably doesn't have that like you don't i i said this in the video you don't you simply don't in your dna

and it's okay it's unfair to expect you to do something you're incapable of doing they don't have the capability to be the boston bruins they don't they don't have what that team has they don't have an identity they don't have a swagger they don't have the ability to drive an opponent nuts and scream fuck you in their face like they're the second toughest team in every single game they play every single game they play any time the leafs don't dress wayne simmons it's lunch money night lunch money night give me your fucking lunch money from opening face off to the moment that horn goes off probably for a loss you give me your lunch money no one's here to protect you and i know you're not going to do it yourself pony up the nhl is a schoolyard

stick up for yourself throw dirty tactics pick up a clump of sand and throw it in their face dude anything something shulgren getting poked at no one gives a shit austin matthews is with the heart the reigning heart trophy winner is wasting his time with evgeny svetchnikov how doesn't any random in the bottom six confetti gloves the very next time they're on the ice with him and just throw punches and see what happens is hockey gonna is fighting gonna be in hockey forever no probably not should it be i don't know but it's here now fucking do something yarn crow gets hit nothing happens no one gives a shit and then they're gonna rattle off like five wins in six games and everyone's gonna be like see dude they're uber talented stop falling for

the same trick every time good lord i'm excited for la if simmons isn't in the lineup lunch money night la's got those guys the leafs traded one of those guys i mean he's not really one of those guys but just a guy that plays with tenacity in grunstrom and trevor moore marchment marchman although not so i know marchman's not fair but he's done well okay timo meyer didn't have a goal heading into last game alexander barabanov uh former leaf both of them on the score sheet are you shocked no no you bet on it i did i didn't do the barabanov uh i wasn't around jesse it's free money jesse it's free um what what do you have a money allergy i think you're getting away from the conversation here the the jets were predictable and bad like i don't know what else you want was

the best win of the season because of the effort they gave you know we saw that and like adam i know you hated clifford and simmons in the lineup but like they drove the effort that game isn't that scary and it's terrifying it's not good that that's what it took and like we we've seen time and time again that the core doesn't have and you talk a lot about about the toughness and like fighting and all that but i'm looking at even even the skill parts of the game they're not putting in the effort because that's interesting i want to i want to talk about that that's really it was what do you want so so like you have to give dubas credit for putting together the uh lineup that he has because you have the reigning heart

trophy winner like I mean talented hockey players on the roster but when you see things like the opening face off where nobody gets back in Justin Hall and Austin Matthews is right there he's working on his edges what the fuck was that Austin Matthews is right there they

scored that goal with a player right behind Justin Hall got twist and turned around and couldn't figure out what to do and you're you're reigning heart trophy winners right there and then on the sure every time he plays the Leafs cookie night on the OT winner by Eric Carlson Carlson shouldn't be able to get away like that like he's fucking Kentucky Derby winning the triple crown so I run with a horse race I was losing my mind because I did that thing where you go off and you like look away from the screen for

a sec so Nylander makes the giveaway and I'm like who's the right-handed shot on the breakaway oh it's the guy that was skating right next to Nylander it's just Carlson had the awareness to be like here's what's happening and i mean intelligence beats ability in this case and i mean it's still eric carlson right repaired ankle and all so i don't think they don't have a thing going for them i don't think this is as much about hey a guy laid a big hit you got to retaliate it's also you have to hustle back and play defense well which isn't happening maybe the next coach we'll get them to do it oh my god give me your lunch money fucking all of you like it's so okay even on the offensive side you're playing too much harlem globetrotters like you're

around those areas i want to i want to because there's some context that we're missing because you guys both of you think so fast sometimes that the full thought doesn't even come out yeah and and and so i want to make sure because i'm sitting here watching this conversation and i'm entertained because you didn't watch the game right i didn't watch the game i watched the the six seven or what is it 20 minute highlights or whatever the hell that is you you got up when i went to bed yeah exactly exactly so it's it you know western road swings while i'm waking up at 4 30 in the morning are impossible so so this is what i want to what did you just say when jesse was was talking there oh lord knows you were talking about the coach yeah right you're talking about the coach you

said maybe the next one maybe the next one because people are starting to say well sheldon keith who know now what do you mean when you say the next coach and take my lunch money you gotta you gotta expand on that a little bit because i think it's an important point when people go well maybe keith isn't the right guy to coach uh we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas well what are we doing no what are we doing no no because dude who was the last head coach of the toronto maple leafs to coach in the league ever again jesse he asked me this before the show so this is a little unfair so i'm gonna have him ask uh so uh paul maurice paul paul fucking maurice did i get it did randy never coached again eh call me steve dangle with the trivia

is that a is that a thing that's everybody does it i need that in a can con song i need that i need that really bad uh adam can you make that happen sure yes absolutely bars he uh the last time paul maurice coached the leafs he only coached them for two years which is yep so weird yeah and he was short and then they said maybe the next guy uh the last time let's give a guy no goalies and maybe the next guy will be fine the last time he coached the leafs uh was 2008 he got a job the next year back with the canes of course and they lost in the third round so 0708 was his last season with the team yeah 0708 was my first season making lfrs who are the coaches in between paul maurice and so you got ron wilson randy carlisle peter horacek mike babcock

sheldon keith sorry ab no yeah it's fine uh there it is and sheldon keith has the highest winning percentage i may believe sorry you're wrong randy did coach for the uh the ducks for three more seasons after uh um yeah he did i forgot and they got to the third round steve simmons was like out there trying to dunk on everybody yeah because i forgot that happened the ducks right yeah he did he did go back to the ducks wow i forgot that happened yeah get absolutely shit on steve your trivia is wrong yeah well your bar is garbage yeah i got it wrong that sucks anyway okay so it was randy carlisle then but sheldon gave us like 120 and 60 or something like that as leaves well he's had a good team yeah but he made them better he did a better job with them than the

last guy the last guy didn't do that no question last guy wasn't able to do that so shelton keith's team is also better than any babcock team yeah he's all i i think deployment had something to bab would babs would intentionally ice a worse team because it suited his ego we know that yes no we know that and he was brutal but like he's not the first or last coach to to ever do it so what is firing shelton keith gonna do oh because he can't get through to the room and he can't motivate oh maybe the next guy will fuck please stop please stop they've been here for seven years you're gonna give them their third coach now you mean who's them the core and marner matthews and me lander and who i mean riley's been there the whole time and who

shanee and dubas shanee and dubas i was like tovar no shanee and dubas like one babcock here you you gotta you gotta take that into account yes yes so make the hard decisions i'm not impressed or even interested in your fucking cap maneuvering when they're not winning oh he kept robertson down and we're spending we called up these three guys and we signed this guy to a two-year i don't fucking care this team has needed change for quite some time i'm sorry kerfoot's on the top line that's enough they went enough they win seven of their next 10 what do you say then same shit why tell me why because why is important i have laid out how the leafs have success even at their worst and that is they have more talent than you they do because even if they play you think they do i

know they have objectively more they do like dude they can play 20 minutes and put together a couple goals and get a few saves and make it to overtime and then who knows you can do that they've won several games like that this year a stat from the broadcast that blew my mind is the leafs uh they said the leafs are going for their fifth come from behind victory this season and i was like one two three four what the fuck all their wins have been come from behind victories yeah they haven't led going into a third period i think it was or something like that yeah that's that's not really i don't like i don't respect you you're not intimidating you're you're gonna get the backup treatment soon you guys are disgusting so when you say oh this team is more talented

the way i look at it is all of the intangibles like effort and hustle and playing sound defense and toughness all of those things i think go into talent so if they miss four of those categories i'm not gonna sit here and say you're more talented than your opponent you're lacking core skills that it takes to win a hockey game and what are those core skills jesse the the ones i just i just listed if they play a team with equal talent i mean it's logical to assume they're they're not as talented they're not gonna win no no if they play a team as talented as them they're they're gonna get outworked they're gonna get out mean yes and i'm gonna get out every those those those things outworked and out means go into your talent yeah that is half of

half of talent is your effort half of success is just doing it repeatedly over and over and over and you're not trying you're not talented matthews is getting all this praise for snapping the streak and scoring a goal where he also like cost one he was the principal cause of one against i'm just not willing to give that to you marner i mean looked like he was desperately trying to will the team to give a shit he gives a shit man engvall played his best game of the season in a game where he took a penalty that the leafs got scored on again it's like dude they're in trouble the way they've started this season and i said they might struggle to start this season i i called that months ahead of time i didn't think it would look like this why did you what why why

does what this because i really want to i want to get granular with this because i think i think there's a there's the perception sometimes when the leafs are bad and leaf fans i don't know why feel this way but it's like oh you guys are being too hard on them you know like look at where they are in this i want to i want to repeat that i started doing this i didn't do this to dunk on the leafs i did this to defend them i want them to win i you want me to go through the fucking views on my lfrs no i don't we don't need that they watch more for the losses i am well that must mean you want them to lose i'm actively cheering against my own success if they went 82 and oh and no one watched i'd be the happiest boy on earth well actually then they'd go oh and

for in the playoffs i think i think the point i'm trying to to ask is like there is something about the way they're losing this is what i'm getting at and this is what i'm pushing you guys towards is there's something about the way they lose these games that feels oddly familiar and it's sort of it's not that um it's not that they're not capable i think that's very clear i think it's frustrating that they are capable and not living up to it so you can tell me hey they're they're third in the division they're sixth in the conference they're they're doing great they're going to be in the playoffs absolutely that's all true but but this team is capable of more and as a fan there's nothing wrong with you being upset and expecting more

and and and being like listen i like if you're a fan let's think about this in real terms because like a lot of times when a team loses you know you'll hear the guys in the dressing room well you know i understand why they buddhist they pay good money uh to be there how about this how about a 10 30 start of course the game doesn't start on time because the nhl is allergic to starting on time this year i don't know what the problem is it's fucking crazy how are we starting games how are we starting local games at 7 45 when i was a kid my bedtime was 8 30 thank god they used to start games at 7 because at least i got to watch the first two periods i honestly man it's so that's that's i hate that number one though honestly if you're a fan and you stayed up till

10 30 to watch the first minute of that game right you stayed up till 10 30 just to see minute number one let's say you stayed up and you were saying earlier there was people in the uk tweeting about well the game starts at 3 30 a.m i guess i'm getting up early par victoria yeah i know it's crazy and so so you're you're you're getting up that early it's not just the fans that pay money it's the fans who pay time and nobody no group of fans in the nhl is bigger than leaf fans last that is the reality those are the facts there are more leaf fans than anybody else that's why we're the most annoying and everybody is paying with their time by the way your free time your leisure time is worth something and that's why it's frustrating when these guys who get to do what

you give up your leisure time and pay to do on a friday night they get to play in the candy store you only get to kind of play it against you know Joe Blow from down the street and you pay to play and they pay you I I think it's okay to be frustrated and what I don't like is the the group of Leaf fans were like you should you shouldn't be frustrated about anything everything's fine and everything could be fine they could go right to the playoffs but if they continue to do the things that Jesse and Steve have outlined here this is why I've gone through if they continue to do this stuff it it really won't matter and and Justin Bourne talked about it in in one of his articles he's got he's got 10 thoughts on on why the leafs were playing with her and he said

you're when you get down to 16 teams you're willing to do more to get a goal you just are you're willing to drive the net heart 16 teams playoffs oh so when you get down to 16 teams you're willing to do more and go into the dirty areas essentially he said when you are in the regular season and it's early on you're more than willing to be like i'll just shoot it this time i don't want the bruise or the the pain that this is going to cause me to go to the net and i hope this will go in and he shows beautifully on a graph they're shooting a lot from the outside and not driving the net the way they used to obvious thing in the world and and they are and and you know matthews has a shot that's great but if you don't drive the net matthew's shot is

less lethal because they know everybody's shooting and they know how to cover everyone you got to mix it up i think if the leafs watched um consistently any of the other top teams in the league like if they actually studied their video i think they'd be ashamed of themselves well i don't know i don't think they do i don't think they do i mean they might they i'm i'm sure they have a video staff that collects these clips and yeah here's what we should be striving towards like i remember this feature years ago about how mark scheifele is a huge nerd and everything and he loves watching hockey in his off time he doesn't just watch the jets and jets footage and stuff like that uh there's no way the leafs watch the best teams in the league

and i've said this for many years nothing drives me nuts more than when players at the end of their season are like oh i don't watch the playoffs like oh no it's my off season it makes me too upset what's wrong with studying greatness the leafs are not great they're good they're good and every year they used they lose the grade study greatness figure out what greatness does get greatness habits or you'll never be it i thought mitch marner had a good game last night you're good i thought mitch marner was running around doing good things yeah i mean it's not enough yeah it's not enough and and here we go again the second line has their first bad game of the season and willie looked willie wasn't good buddy that's that's that's why people are

hey i'm gonna shoot the puck and it's gonna go four feet above the net and over the right crossbar so much that's when you here's the thing he doesn't i remember i said that years ago and jeff fayette said actually and then he did like a whole treatise on on how that actually doesn't happen but on the games and he was right he proved it but but on the games where willie's not dialed truly when the games where willie's not dialed you can tell because the puck's sailing over the net and there are games and the coaches will tell you this everybody will tell you this there are games where william kneelander when he's dialed he's one of the best players on the ice when he's not he's good wendell clark uh at the easter seals tournament last year we had him in the dressing

room and and he was talking about those shots that go wide and bay blade around the boards and just fly around the boards and and leave the zone and he's like if if anyone on any of the teams i coach does that you're getting bag skating and no one on this team does it more nearly no one no there's something beautiful about his shot and listen when it connects listen i'm not going to criticize william neil andrews shot i saw the goal against anton forsberg holy shit but when it misses it goes and that wasn't even the worst one yeah it was uh he does a great job hustling for the uh for the for the puck he uh gets body position on eric carlson and then just yeets the thing and and that's that's an example of uh i think maybe just puck luck not going your way

you know that the overtime winner it's it's three on three i'm not gonna put too much into it it was the 60 minutes before it that were beneath the standard of this hockey i also think in jesse you mentioned earlier i meant to expand on that and i apologize as you mentioned the the hall matthews mix up uh where matthew's goal yeah where you know and everybody blamed hall and matthews was to blame but i don't here's the thing sometimes it's like we're we're it's like it has to it's either 100 one person or 100 the other person if there was a better defenseman playing right for the leafs i feel like it can be that's yeah matthews is still fucking off he's not he's not engaged and he's not that goal is is on him and it's also on justin hall there's

absolutely no reason couture should have beaten him right neither of them and and and so to say listen i i justin hall's taking his shit from from us from from other fan base like we also love justin hall when he was good but the reality is they keep sticking him in there in a position he just can't he can he's struggling he needs like they they talk about how they shelter victor how do they not shelter him more and i know it's because jordy ben and timothy lilligren are trying to come back here they're on their conditioning stints right but i i mean i with justin hall for me i look at that and i go that player is their seventh best defenseman he talked about um it starts with the d and the the movement starts the first touch and like i

mean the the power play was moving the puck extremely well it's it's not like they're not doing anything but it's the power play and it's morgan riley it is the power play the first goal that justin hall was on the ice for yeah no uh the one for the leaf like i'm pretty sure he contributed to the first goal and he looked not sure nice i want like there were moments in the game where justin hall uh didn't look like a defensive liability isn't that isn't that the team oh there were moments yeah they have enough talent to give you moments every single game every single game it's the full 60 minutes and they just can't be arsed they can't be arsed they uh they listen i'm not accusing them of not caring i'm sure hockey is their passion hockey is

their life hockey is their livelihood but they care the second most almost every game almost every game you don't care more than the bruins you don't care more than the lightning you don't care more than the avalanche you don't care more than the oilers who are a flawed mess who are never out of a game never out of a game in part because of their talent and in part because they bust their ass they'll be like damn we made a bunch of stupid plays and we're down three nothing guess we should get on our horse and win 6-3 and then they do i mean i don't know if you can win a cup like that a lot of maybe they got pretty close you have connor mcdavid so you can score at any moment and leon dry sidle and zach hyman and evander kane except when he's getting

pushed into the goalie that was really strange zach hyman underrated that's what morgan riley said yeah great start to the year yeah yeah like i this team is capable of better and i am tired of saying it okay i'm tired of saying it uh i'm tired of saying they're capable of better um i've said it enough that they're clearly not make a move okay um and we can save it for monday but a lot of people are going to say hey steve what kind of move let's find out how they do against la and anaheim and then maybe at game 10 we can talk about it's saturday sunday right yeah oh wow yeah you're not making a move in the middle of a road no you're not is it um late night saturday no it's seven they're doing so i don't know it's a late night it's eight okay that's not so bad that's

not good better it's not fucking great it's not gonna lie but sunday night football's on i know i know uh that's why the nhl doesn't book the leafs on sunday because they know that it's just a wash it's lost ratings for them one um i mean they're what is the leafs record on sundays over the last three terrible they're a terrible sunday team like terrible like bedard sweepstakes yeah uh so uh we'll move on though jesse wanted to really talk about this this is the goal review in edmonton last night jesse can you set this up yeah i um i think i said this probably in in march or june whenever that long string of nhl referee problems was happening uh last season but i'm gonna always i'm gonna broken record this and say hey the referees they don't know what

they're doing so last night in the in the oh man i can't wait to have everybody on my show all the referees to talk about how great the refs are actually are who who where are you doing this when they're talking every traditional hockey show i see they're like well we had this guy former ref and this guy former ref and it's been great they're doing great guys they're doing great that's like i i'm sorry but it's it's stop asking the refs stop asking other refs if refs are good can i ask you a question that i know the answer to yeah did you watch steve's dang it's yesterday no i did not you suck i'm sorry what i'm joking i'm joking go watch the time's a little limited at the moment go watch the last one okay when you have the chance where

i break down the um the alexi lafreniere penalty that wasn't a penalty at all because i get to break it down with footage on that thing okay they committed to getting it wrong and dave jackson i didn't realize this the first time i watched it dave jackson espn has as an officiating like expert and he's like yeah they're not allowed to review this so he knew the problem right away right dave dave and i have dms back forth he's a nice guy yeah and they bypassed the problem anyway though like so and so they got to go over to gerard galant and they're like we saw that you're right but we weren't allowed to see it so we're gonna pretend that we didn't what kind of an elementary school league are we running here well so jesse yes what do you got for us i'm trying

to bring up the video for you guys i thought we did a really good job of wasting time it will let me bring it up on uh instagram so i'm trying to bring oh here we go all right so here we go here it is so last night it is the blackhawks oilers the game is tied i believe at the time it is tied 4 no the score is 4-3 it's tied 3-3 so the Oilers are trying to score this goal to go up 4-3 who's the Oiler who just goes what the fuck

so what happens is are you able to put it on that screen or no no I can put it here it'll be too much what happens is Evander Kane and Seth Jones are in front of the net they're tangled up Seth Jones

kinda pushes Evander Kane into the goalie goalie falls over flat on his butt seconds uh not seconds later minutes kind of like a minute later puck cycles back out they don't show the goal in this clip um evander kane gets up he scores a goal so he gets the puck he scores a goal uh and then they call it on the ice they call it a goal they go to video review they call it no goal so this clip doesn't have the goal uh which i think is very important to show you guys so there's a fight in front of the net I think Evander Kane gets pushed knocks over the goalie play continues Evander Kane gets up goalie gets up Evander Kane

scores and it's a clean goal they go back did the goalie have a chance to make a save when Evander Kane got off him uh so remember last episode I talked about what Keith Primo used to do when he was on the flyers and he oh I've fallen and I can't get up on top of Ed Balfour that exactly that so I understand why the goal was waived off however Seth Jones like definitely pushes Evander Kane into Alex Staloc and Staloc does my least favorite thing that all goalies do in those situations he doesn't even make an attempt to get up so the shift ended for him when he fell down in between I can't possibly make a save I got touched 10 seconds ago Kane gets knocked over there let's count how long it takes for the puck to go around knocked one two three

four five six seven eight nine get up get up it's stay locked in that right it's stay locked in that this happened a few years ago with the leafs and kings jonathan quick just stopped he just stopped playing and they called it back because i don't know i don't know so stay like this is even worse than that one though that was oh yeah it's a whole cycle of a play like cain gets up he's the one who scores the goal after getting pushed into the goalie stay lock he doesn't go retrieve his stick and elliot mentioned on the broadcast i think it was on the first intermission or the second intermission after this happened um that that could have been a reason that you can call the play the goalie interference is continuing because staloc never had an opportunity to go

get a stick and if he doesn't have a stick then it's less likely he can make the stave so they can get a penalty no it's a fucking goal it should be a goal it's absolutely a goal yeah it's goalie interference nine seconds before the goal that wasn't called as a penalty it's a goal what are you doing what are any of us doing did the Oilers win last night so in the end they won with like 20 seconds to go came past it to dry side on dry so the Blackhawks didn't get any points no points puck don't lie the right thing happened in the end but it was it's a ridiculous call that makes no sense because on the ice he called it a goal the referee and they went all the way back and said no goal so so this is the thing right remember we were talking about

last episode where if you cross the line and you're offside and the first or just the first shot or the rebound go in then it's no goal after that sorry you fucking missed it um here's here's what i need to know what i'll say with evander kane there is evander kane is a big man who is extremely strong so seth jones seth yes but seth jones can't upend evander kane like that unless savander kane wants him to and he did you saw him fall he's like oh boy and like listen i i get that that's frustrating or whatever but i just i just have to say that if this is where you want the game to go um then you're not going to enjoy it very much this is how you ruin a product so i'm going to give you an example not from hockey formula one penalized two-time world champion

fernando alonso last weekend the middle finger he so this guy so lance stroll who's a canadian took out uh fernando alonso was alonso was some pretty dangerous driving this past weekend at the last grand prix in in austin texas fernando alonso somehow saves the car continues driving it's damaged but it's drivable and goes the whole race and finishes seventh place which in his car his team with a clean car nothing wrong the best they can probably hope for is about seventh place because mercedes red bull and ferrari are that much better those six drivers following yeah yeah so you're getting that so you're like you're like holy shit this guy damaged his car still finished seventh place that's insane heroic so the fia which is the governing body of motorsport uh said

um yeah sorry uh that what you did there was super dangerous you should have come off the track retired the car we're gonna give you a 30 second penalty now he's downgraded to 15th place and this is a two-time world champion and he also i love fernando alonso because whenever he gets quoted he's like he talks about himself in the third person and about how great he is like he we need to talk about fernando alonso quotes more because he's amazing but the uh but then two days later because of public outcry the fia reversed that decision and made him p7 again so now he's p7 and so because because ultimately they realize that yes if you follow the rule to the letter of the fucking law that's probably i guess what should have happened but the inactuality and and

there was some challenge issues and stuff like that we don't need to get into the details the product is better if he finishes seventh the product is better if that goal goes in so this wasn't even the rule though no it's not the rule it's not the rule the goal interference is gone i think three things are true i think seth jones pushed evander kane into alex daylock i think evander kane was stoked to fall down on top of alex daylock and i think alex daylock was stoked to have evander kane fall on top of him yes uh so seth jones made the wrong choice uh evander kane was fibbing a little bit and alex daylock was fibbing a little bit so to me so it's a goal to me

Kane and Staloc cancel each other out and Seth Jones pushing a player into his own goalie don't do that shouldn't do that don't know who told you to do that it's a goal that's one two three that's alright

oh my god if that's gonna be the thing just blow the play dead yes and the thing that happened that was most shocking is that on the ice they called it a goal and then the reactions after are so telling and that's why they included them in this video when all the players are sitting there being like what the fuck how did that happen no because you called it on the

ice a goal yeah how do you take it back the one thing i'll say in stalox defense is kane also could have got up like two seconds earlier they all could have just kept playing they were both just flopping around like two seconds early come on and this is what the rules allow for now look at them oh why do both of them have their arms extended above their head i'm not doing anything wrong it was not i can i put that still picture up that's the absolute clownery from the both of them it's kind of absolute clownery it's kind of sexy look at them looking kind of hot i i just want to say what what made what made this the international rule for i didn't do anything wrong what kind of soccer nonsense yeah it is it is that's garbage for both of them uh so that's

the one place where i'll i'll maybe defend the ref is okay like you know what the ref should have done is like slid along the ice and gone one two and staloc wouldn't have gotten up by the three count in fairness it was a nine count so i guess evander kane is the reigning intercontinental champion of this game uh it's absolute clownery from everyone involved the ref seth jones evander Kane, Alex Staloc, everyone. And in the end, it should have been a goal. I think it should have been a goal. I understand why it wasn't.

However, Oilers fans, do they ever forget? They do not. They pointed out that one of the refs from this game was one of the refs from the famed game where Ryan Kessler fell on and laid on Cam Talbot in the series between

the Oilers and Ducks in 2017. I barely remember that. Famed series. well they fucking do they dude but ryan kessler put cam talbot in a figure four leg lock yes he put him in a curt angle dead and call the penalty right that's the thing educate the ref no no that goal stood this one didn't that's what i'm saying educate the referees and go hey you guys fucked up so what you're gonna do is first off you're gonna get bag skated second now we're gonna take you into a classroom and explain to you the rules that you should already know like that's ridiculous

and here's the here's the sad part let me just say again he called it a goal here's the sad part guys the sad part here is what are we talking about hockey no what are we talking about refs sports we're talking about refs we're not talking about the fact that connor mcdavid has two hat tricks this year are we talking about that we didn't mention that except for like one brief that's bullshit why are we talking about this and yet we have to because it's it's a bigger story because it's embarrassing please stop the the broadcasters need to stop the nhl needs to stop the refs need to stop this you can't tell me this is good enough if this is good enough raise your expectations because you're the sport is slowing down it's boring it's shitty i can never we can't

even celebrate a goal anymore because everything's reviewed yeah that's very annoying the whole point about a goal is it's like snap everybody's up and excited no six minutes six minutes we need six minutes to watch the watch the same thing 40 different times because we got to get the call right except sometimes we don't and we really don't know the rules that much and we're going to review shit that we can't actually review even though we know we're wrong it's it's this is unbelievable and don't tell me that this is a new thing this has been going on for years and and the more reviews we add the worse that it gets i understand wanting to get the call right but there are limitations to a human being's ability to call it so if the refs fucks up then the ref

fucks up but don't let review be the reason they fuck up because if you go to review we expect you to get it right yeah and they go to review and they still get it wrong is that definitive that is definitively a goal no definitively like is it conclusively not a goal no no so because they decided it was so conclusively a goal that they overturned their on ice call so what we've learned so far this season through reviews is the on ice call is useless that's what I mean

so you may as well this is the thing get you have to either give room for human error or take the human beings off the ice or put a limit on the review what I was trying to find their limits not gonna help God I got it it's yeah well it will still kill goals it will kill goals that are that should be goals

but if you haven't made a decision I don't know how long this review was so it doesn't really apply to this one but if the review is longer than 180 seconds three minutes bang dead done that's that's on the ice stance i appreciate what you're saying because you want to crawl back to something but honest at the end of the day steve 100 180 seconds is still too long well hire more people have people ready to go or don't have it at all because adam we're talking about the nhl so i always in my mind start with what's best and then i settle for what's adequate and jesse that is quite the photo of a referee with his head all the way up his ass like his

ears are in his bum and i'm not saying it's easy for the refs but i also think like his lumbar my goodness where did you find that it was just a reply to the cast that's pretty amazing that's a that's a good piece of art right there somebody took time to make that which is amazing a ref with his own head up his butt and and knowing that they wouldn't make any money off it they just thought you know what i'm so upset with this that i'm inspired to make meme art i'm gonna make art that i will own refs on twitter for i would buy that shirt i'd buy that shirt and wear it in front of all my friends would you who are refs we should have dave jackson on i would love to get his opinion on this honestly send him that shirt and i'd be like and i do want to ask dave like

dave do you really think this is an adequate job here's what i would love to ask him you're in charge of enforcing the rules okay what rules are stupid that the nhl should ask the refs that yeah what rules are dumb what rules are dumb what rules are unreasonably difficult to enforce what rules do no players enjoy what plays do what's the thing you know you said alan told you adam i think it's from agent provocateur where they should rewrite the rule book but it costs too much money that i believe that was actually a sarasivian tweet um and and i said i think she did some sort of expose on it and she was talking about yeah they said it would take four or four plus years to rewrite the book because it's so thick okay um and they don't want to do that

because it'll take four years and what did cj say on that it's like the the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago the next best time is right i don't think cj came up with that i know but he said it so i'm like lifting it from his show i i'm allowed to no you're not scott wayne gretzky yeah i think uh yeah michael scott i i couldn't find the sarah civian tweet all i found was this from her in february 2021 maybe the real nhl rule book was the friends we made along the way i think that's it's about time they fix some of these rules it needs to be more clear for everybody also stop debating all these rules and five minute reviews on the ice it takes away from the game yeah also the dressing room for the coyotes doesn't actually look so bad it's not

bad it's four games are you upset i'm not upset i'm over it yeah i mean it's like we said last time uh it is what it is it was always gonna be bad we did our ranting when it was relevant like what you think this is acceptable what well now it's here and i'm like well we've already done that we have to accept it now the difference is it no it's not acceptable but it wasn't back then now we have to accept it it's gone down this road it's like the restaurant that you wanted to go to is full so you just okay i just won't eat no go to go to another one that's open but find a solution that's less good the coyotes are listen they're not in thrive mode yeah they're not they're in survive that's adequate for now for four games can i dovetail the cane uh no goal

was something that happened a game before between the blues and the oilers let me see uh jordan bittington needs to somebody needs to hit him because you're not allowed to touch a goal you just saw that you know what somebody would punch jordan bittington and they do a review half a period later when the team scored they'd be like sorry we're gonna take that back you punch jordan once again we can't show the footage because the nhl footage but that face wash on on uh the game before with the oilers and the blues jordan bittington punches uh vander kane in the face they're gonna show a replay uh very shortly do those two not like each other it was such a it's such a little cheap shot for for kane for just being near the net it's ridiculous and he's i'm

tired i hadn't oh like in the middle of play he backhand fists kane and kane sold it like let's let's be honest here kane sells it but also you can't go around backhand punching people in the face jordan you know what i actually don't have a problem with that i don't either i don't mind that either. I actually like that. Kane is in the blue paint when it happens, and Bennington was not... He's tried to receive a pass for one time as a dry saddle! And Bennington's trying to

stop him! You can't stop a player by punching him in the face! Watch him! That's illegal! Watch him! Except that it's... It's only illegal if you get caught for it. If you get called for it. No, no. Bennington got knocked out of the playoffs because a player ran into him, and he wasn't happy about it.

Right? So that's him protecting his blue paint. He added some flair He added some He was unnecessarily rough with it I agree But among the Jordan Bennington infractions That one is low on the list

It's on the list I'm adding it to the list He backhand Fist a guy who's just Charging the net to receive a pass So you're just allowed to come into my blue paint Oh so when you're coming at me In the offensive zone I'm allowed to punch you in the face

Yeah stay the fuck out of my net No, no, no. I'm just a defender. I can just cold cock you in the middle of play. No, but goalies are special. He's a player on the ice who cold cocked another player while the player was playing hockey. Yeah, but consider this.

Refs don't like Evander Kane. Also, let me just throw this at you. Which is relevant, man. If I can throw that at you. That is exactly what I want to see somebody on the Leafs sometime ever do. Fucking A. You know what?

and listen i have made fun of bitter more than anybody else on this show because i think he has pulled some weasel ass moves what do you think i like him like no no i think i think you guys are so wrong about here's the thing with with bitter is that is that like i understand why blues fans are devoted to the guy i get it i completely understand it and but when he's 100 feet out of his crease and he's throwing air punches at people i'm like okay you're kind of that's a d-bag move you're d-bag jesse you know i didn't really have a problem with that if andrew Kane Andrew yeah he's driving the net and he's he gets him in the face and then is Evander Kane Evander Kane does the right thing by the way what Binner's trying to do is get him distracted

and what Evander Kane does is goes I better keep playing hockey because the refs are never going to call that yeah no I think he understands yeah I drove the net I got in his blue paint and he got himself a little bit of room you guys can read room one Adam you're so wrong about this because the equivalent of this would be Jason Spezza headhunting a guy who's falling on the ground and shouldering him in the head. Oh, no, it's not. That's the same thing. Oh, definitely.

This is a gold tender. This is a push off of his head. This is it. This is it. That's what it is. No! Backhand, left hand in the face. Jesse.

Is what he does. His left hand hits Evander Kane in the visor. Listen, we should be thrilled that something that Jordan Bennington threw actually connected. Yeah. First of all. Honestly. Second of all. That he had balls enough to actually get close enough to a guy to connect.

jesse you'd be correct in a philosophy lecture you're not you're simply not correct in the real world you're you're not you're not smart not street smart okay right steve yeah okay you know what adam on second thought it is a pretty stiff shot listen i'm not even jesse i'm not even saying it's not illegal i'm saying it rules this is the nhl they call less than 50 of the punch to the face they do it rules when a person who's playing defense because that's what bennington's doing and he's playing goal slash defense. He's the goalie. He's defending the goal.

He's the goalie. Cold cock someone who's coming near him. The next time Morgan Riley is doing a little back skate in his zone, and Tarasenko's coming up to him, I want Morgan Riley to take his left hand and backhand punch Tarasenko in the face. The equivalent is Ilya Samsonov. And are you saying I wouldn't cheer for that?

I'd lose my mind. I'd get his jersey the next day. no we're it's it's a player on the ice punching another player to defend the goal happens all the time it's allowed it's not yeah it is if you punch somebody in the face during play it's a penalty did they call it no because it's binnington and he gets away with everything for no reason because guys in the league have that the leafs need a guy who's like fuck it this guy can get away with fucking everything darcy tucker used to be that guy until they started calling him darcy tucker used to be like he just skated along and it would be like like d2 where you'd be like

on everybody's helmet yeah for the ottawa senators and they fucking hated him and you know what it distracted from it distracted from matt sundin and and steve thomas and freddie moduni and alex mogilny and whoever else scored goals for them back then someone read my book i went to the last game i ever went to in maple leaf not adam garden i definitely read the audiobook did i did not read No, that counts. That counts as reading. You fight me on that one. It counts.

It's 2022, nerd. Anyway. It counts. Yeah, nerd. Nerd. No, and also punching is legal, nerd. Anyway. Yeah, punch everybody in the face during play.

Yeah, do it. It's fine. Five on five. Just punch people in the face. It's hockey. Yeah, no. Anyway, so. Do it.

It's the NHL. Get good. So, Adam, the last game I ever saw in Maple Leaf Garden, Darcy Tucker was on the Tampa of Bay lighting and he was driving the Leafs Sunday and especially nuts all game long and he was doing dirty shit all game long and guess what the refs called him no they didn't because it's the NHL and Steve Thomas dropped his gloves and beat the shit out of him and they later became friends and teammates and what did the Leafs do they traded one of their good young prospects and Mike Johnson for him yeah they said you know what you scored we need that guy you scored 20

goals last year we still need the guy that scored 16 or whatever with the lightning because he's gonna drive people bananas yeah and then they put steve sullivan on waivers one step forward two steps back but it's traded jason smith for a second round here you go here you go no jesse listen it's illegal and rules it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't rule to see a child throw a tantrum you're okay you're letting you're letting the fact that it's jordan biddington blind that's not what we're talking about oh no he's a shithead okay no no i i didn't think that was what was on trial here you were what it's a part of it what's what's the name on the back of the jersey of the guy throwing the punch you're a wrestling guy and these are two heels yeah yeah

also yeah you i don't like either of these men you could find two like it's like oh no the worst person hit the other worst person is also selling it a little terrible the worst person you know makes a great point makes a great punch and i'd say that's what and also like what is he a south paw shut up jesse get good the whole context is a goalie punched a cold cocked a skater who's coming towards his net can you imagine a goalie doing that canucks fans that they're losing their mind right now oh i bet they are they had tim thomas voodoo doll just with machetes through that goalie who threw a punch has a long history of throwing tantrums yeah no he has a history of throwing tantrums where the punch isn't real okay but he fucking punched that guy because i think

someone said in the offseason hey jordan maybe if those punches were real guys would stop running directly into your knees and uh well he learned his lesson i think we should take out of the game getting punched on the ice while you're playing hockey by a goaltender who constantly throws punches. You're missing the point here. The more Jordan Binnington actually punches guys in the face, the more likely it is someone does it to him. This is progress.

You should be cheering for this. You should be. I'd pay to watch Evander Cade and Jordan Binnington fight. Yep. There you go. And you're telling me, what is it, further from happening? It's closer to happening. jesse embrace it let the hate flow through you you know you know it to be so come on don't tell

me he didn't connect either who the fuck said that you at the beginning no i didn't no he i said he finally got close enough to someone to connect because he's known for his air punches yeah you were you were saying he barely grazed him and then after you saw it you're like oh yeah he got him yeah i corrected myself okay as long as as long as i'm doing it as long as i know you you came around to my team i came around yeah i came around listen i have this listen get it out of hockey let's no get this out of the game i agree but while it's here i hope uh i hope samsonov punches someone on the kings on saturday actually don't because if a goalie gets injured the leafs can't call anyone up so it's still been the case for over a week that's fun

um i listen you're blinded by the fact that it's jordan binnington it does matter that it's jordan binnington but i think for most fan bases around the nhl if their goalie did this they would love Who doesn't want their goalie To punch Evander Kane in the face Are we doing the press conference Yes Okay let's go quick