The Steve Dangle Podcast - Marty Party | March 1, 2020

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

On this episode, who wore the crown (00:00), is Jim Hughson a Canucks fan? (18:00), the Leafs are 3-0 since Ayers gate (22;00), Zach Hyman (39:00), Kapanen and Dermott (47:00), the Canucks are in the most interesting division (58:00), Leon Draisatil hit 100 points and the Jets are giving it their all (1:03:00), Bobby Ryan comeback (1:11:50), Taking a look around the league (1:16:30), Steve was in Waterloo this weekend (1:21:00), and the press conference: who should win the Hart? (1:24:30). Originally aired: March 1, 2020 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/NGdJntexzmQ Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents SSDPP, the Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Ladies and gentlemen, a defenseman scored a huge goal this weekend. Nick Robertson hitting 50 goals in the NHL! Boom! That's exactly where I was going! Hell yeah! Robbie! Robbie! Robbie! The Leafs right side, set up for years to come

Forever A right-handed defenseman, Nick Robertson Who I get to see next weekend In Peterborough, when I'm doing a buck siding There, at the Pete's game See, that's a Saturday night What are you doing? The Leafs game's on No, it's not!

Because they're in California, and they play Thursday, Friday Oh, there's no Saturday Leaf game I hate weekends like that They will be undefeated On Saturdays For at least two weeks That's great They're going to pull a Blue Jays

That's great You win back-to-back World Series And then there isn't one So you're the champ Three years running I like that All the Expos would have won it Woulda, shoulda, coulda

It was the Jays Reigning World Champions It's a real World Series Just like 2017, right? Absolutely Listen, I want to also shout out Nick Barton He is a He's on YouTube

and he writes for Editor and Leaf and Nick thought it would be hilarious yesterday to tweet with he's got 500 followers

so this is possible but he said 500 RTs and I will buy a Martin Marincin jersey after the goal what's his thing real quick

at Nick Barden and so I saw it come up on my timeline and I said oh and I retweeted him and within about 20 minutes

he had his full 500 retweets and now he has to do it oh wow you didn't even need me no That's amazing He has 912 at this point

Enjoy their Enjoy their bards Enjoy their what? You know People really got on board for that So Nick That's awesome Also we need to throw

We need to see some pictures Nick Barton So please Send them to us We want to see the Martin Marincin jersey You're not getting away with this though Don't think that you could stop

Oh no Like this is not This is not I can back out of this It cannot happen We will financially ruin you And the Leafs by the way Are on pace for three

Fewer points than last year Only three fewer points Wow After everything Feel good They fired their coach Marner got hurt Tavares got hurt

Riley's been hurt Literally the whole season Maybe minus five games Marner's dad's been hurt For four years I mean for four years Ever since the fourth line Of motion

We got We got Who else we got Muzzin Freddy's got a thing Yep I'm sure What else

Oh Hyman and Dermot At the beginning of the season Do you want to do Who wore the crown No You don't Nope Okay

It's the end of the segment It's done I want to hear it I think that's how that works I want to hear it Who wore the crown? Live generously and life will treat you royally Why not pour yourself

Slovakia Okay No? Is that not how the bit goes? Why not pour yourself Why not? In a friend of Crown Royal Because we're going to talk about

Who wore the crown Where we, with the help of you Recognize one Leaf player Each show Gives it their all For the blue and white Because it's our town It's our crown

It's not about what you have But what you have to give Now let's crown The Leaf that lives generously by giving it all for their team. Brought to you by our friends at Crown Royal. Live generously and life will treat you royally. Now, I want to shout out Mahesh K, who tweeted out last night. He's got odds for us today on who we will pick.

And I don't know how sports betting odds work. I do. I've never actually learned that. No, me neither. But anyway, he tweeted them out. So his prediction, if you were going to bet, Zach Hyman is his number one prediction. For you, Matthews 2, Gauthier 3, Marincin 4, and the field, meaning anybody else, at a 265. Not bad.

And for me, he thinks I'm going to pick Matthews, Hyman, Gauthier, Marincin, and then Jesse Blake's got a minus 40,000 as his Nylander pick, and the field is plus 50,000. The negative number, so sports betting and odds, like the negative number is how much you would need to bet to win $100. Oh! And then the positive number is if you bet $100, that's how much you'd win on the bet. So if I bet $100 on me picking Matthews, I would win $105? What are the odds?

$105. Yeah. Okay. So I'd get $5. So you'd win $5, yeah. Oh, okay. All right. So to win $100 on my Nylander, what's the odds for Nylander?

Minus $40,000. So to win $100 on your bet, you'd have to bet $40,000 on me picking Nylander. And if I did, then you'd win $100. You'd have to put up $40,000. So if you take a fall here, we can retire. So what are the other odds? The other odds for you. Yeah.

For you, the field is plus $50,000. That's awesome. So I put down $100, you win $50,000 if I pick the field. Wow. I'm going to put $5,000 on the field. So you take that $5,000, you multiply it by the odds, and then you'd win that. It's a lot. It's a lot.

We could retire. It's a lot. This could be the last episode of the show because we were tired because we're so rich. Who do we win money from? Jesse, all you have to do is do the right thing. There you go. If you have a bookie and we place this bet. We need a guy.

Yeah. It's Canada. The money is just there. Are you happy we have someone smart on this show? No. Are you happy we have a friend who's smart? Or a degenerate. Is that what you called Jesse?

Jesse, yes. I don't know if he's- Jesse was at my wedding party. I don't know if he's as smart as he is belligerent. He just believes, man. Jesse is a psychotic politician in waiting Do you know anybody who's truly smart That isn't a little bit belligerent?

No Truly smart people are a little bit belligerent A little bit bedigerent I like the word bedigerent Who wore your crown, Steve? Listen We're blessed In this city, we're blessed

We get to watch the silkiest hands in the GD show. You're talking about Jesse's hands? Oh, no. Well, those are the strongest and most Jack Skellington-est hands in the show. Come on.

What's this? What's this? There's something in the... That's a... That is a reference. Is it Nightmare Before Christmas, a Halloween movie, or a Christmas movie?

Oh, man. That's a Christmas movie to me. Same. I agree. Christmas movie is a Christmas movie. I'll say it's brilliant Because you can watch it twice a year You get flogged in November

The police come and arrest you But End of October And almost end of December Green light Jack Skellington I gotta say, is November the worst Month of the year?

Ooh Because there's nothing that happens, there's no holidays There's no real big sports things January sucks pretty bad though It starts great But you're including New Year's in there Yeah New Year's is a part of January You can't hate on that

Yeah but you do most of your shots in December Agreed I find January a nice relief from December Which is extremely stressful in the lead up to Christmas And then it's not really a vacation Because you're seeing your family And let's be honest that puts people on edge So I think

I think November might be Might be low key the worst Because you know like October's got Halloween and Thanksgiving I'm not a big Halloween guy, but I know people love it. Americans got it figured out. Americans put Thanksgiving in November. See, I've always said that dinner comes before dessert. But the way, I, the asterisk on that is they get, like, what is it, two weeks off for Thanksgiving or something?

Yeah, and Black Friday and Cyber Monday. It's ridiculous. And football and. Also, our Thanksgiving is too soon. Yeah. You start September, you get Labor Day and stuff like that. And then just four weeks later, it's already Thanksgiving. Well, you guys know the reason for that, though, right?

Well, harvesting crops and shit, but it's 2020. Yeah, I know. Let's go. What's the reason? It's the harvesting crops thing. Because it's cold here. Because we had to harvest our crops a month earlier than people like five hours. We got to stuff ourselves with corn.

Maize, if you will. Let's not do things by farmer times anymore. All right. Jesse. Yes, you're right. And that's why we should also get rid of daylight savings. But don't get me started. Jesse's the psychotic, enthusiastic politician sweeping the nation.

No more daylight savings time. A hundred percent. Join American Thanksgiving. Yes. That's the whole platform. That's it. Also, free transportation. Hey.

There's something else. Luxembourg just did it. Yes, they did. So I'm bringing that to my platform. Also, one more thing. Can I throw this into your platform? Just see what you think. Go ahead.

Can we possibly look at taking the Memorial Cup and turning it into a March Madness-style tournament? Definitely. That's the first law we're going to pass. I'm voting for Jesse. It's 32 teams. Yeah. We'll do. Yeah.

My crown goes to Martin Marincin Really Marty Dude He didn't even have a good game You shut your Dirty mouth All I know is

A lot like William Nylander In Florida For two games Martin Marincin got the game winning goal That's all I know And he stealthed Like he was so stealth He had

He had a Canuck trailing And two in his face And they're like He's not taking the shot And ah Off the post. Even Demko, the disrespect. The disrespect.

He was barely even set for the thing. And then he swoops in. Even Tavares is like, is this guy seriously going to clean up the net front garbage? That's me. And Marty said, I am faster than any animal alive. And he bangs it in. The world's silkiest giraffe. Move over, Pierre Engvall.

It's Marty time. Who's ready to Marty? Leafs Nation. is, I give my crown to Mark Horatian, who I have never criticized once. Never. Never not once. Well, it's funny because just before that, in the first

period, he had one of the worst, the worst defensive zone things that I've ever seen in my life. I don't even know what to call it. It's like a pain shaker. Oh, yeah. It was just he's just he's just, it's like watching a toddler

carry something that was breakable. It's like watching me. What? Just watching you exist? Just watching me out there. On skates. Yeah, yeah. And it's not because I don't like Martin, but it's like, dude, really? Anyway, I'm going to move this on.

And I'm going to give the crown to the man who truly deserves it, who was hitting yet another gear last night. And one of the goals, did that take you back? That sent me, Adam. Who had one of the weirdest goals I've ever seen. And one of the most painful posts I've ever seen It was to Austin Matthews The best player on the team, by far

Now here's the thing, that first goal against Demko Still not sure how that went in, because people were like Here's the super slow-mo version And it's all of a sudden behind him Someone posted a picture, they think they figured it out He had his pad was on the ground But because his skate Wasn't flush with the ice, like his foot wasn't flush

It was like up on its toe There was like a Sliver of light And he found it And Demko's standing there like How? It'd be one thing if it barely squeaked through Like he got a piece of it

It didn't touch him The puck did not touch Thatcher Demko Weird You could try that shot a thousand times and never make it again On a still target Forget a goalie And he's going full speed down the wing On a shit angle

The thing that I really wanted to give him the crown for Was the 360 he pulled later on in the game one-on-one and fired it. And Demko didn't know where it was going again. Demko's had a couple of rough nights, but he would have had a clear look at that one. He's in a tough situation. 100%. And it hit the post. And

Matthews actually leads the league and hit posts. 12. Yeah. It's crazy. And then he hit the post again on the power play when Neil Ander passes to him in front of the net. Yep. And he ran off the side of the post. He should have had like four goals last night. Yeah. He was unbelievable. So if you add those 12 posts, he'd have 56

It's cold. Ifs and buts, man. Ifs and buts. Jesse. Ifs and buts. I got three things. Oh. One.

Is this the field? It's Trey Croner. Martin Marincin. What about him? Coming down. Flying down the wing. Flying. I'm not talking about coming down.

Flying down the wing. Galloping. Galloping. Galloping. Would you say that he's as fast as McDavid or faster? I would say 2.3 times as fast

I'm just throwing that out there maybe even 5.2 on account of his number's 52 then he gets sports track on that track his numbers coming down well I don't know if you looked at the play if you analyzed it closely after the goal because there was a lot of excitement going on

there wasn't a lot of breaking down the play because Martin Brinch had scored that's enough but if you look at the play When Tavares is coming, when he's exiting the zone, when he's by the opposing faceoff dot, he weighs his options. He sees that Rinchen's on his left side, and he's streaking down the ice, and he's wide open. There he goes. There's a reason he's wide open.

The man who's always in the right spot, who's always doing the right thing, had already broken away for the lead pass. Sealed. Breaking away for the lead pass On the right side of the ice William Nylander It's the little things I'm financially rich

The field was doomed It's the little things in hockey That create these plays The reason Marty is wide open Is because the two defensemen Are coming to the strong side Where Nylander is streaking down the ice And that's usually where Tavares is going to go

He's going to pass that right there William Nylander probably gonna have a little break probably gonna score himself you know we don't know because it didn't happen

but I'm gonna assume he's gonna score and it leaves Marty wide open who does the goal scoring for him yeah it's true I gotta give credit

to William Nylander for getting that goal for Marty Marantz you're not making a bad assumption assuming that William Nylander would score

because he scored 18 in his last 29 yes and that was my other two points shout out Nylander for getting the GWG again back to back games

Tampa and Florida shout out that one Yeah. And third point, shout out Nylander for getting a bad call on that holding from Troy Stetcher. Because if that's the playoffs, if that's the playoffs,

that's not called. Come on. Already playing playoff hockey. Yeah. Mid-February. Well, end of February, already playing playoff hockey, William Nylander.

So, yeah. All right. All right. Now, I want to say something. I said earlier this season that, and this is when Jesse had just started picking

William Nylander at random. This is, I think, when Mike Babcock was still the coach and I said, you know, listen. Jesse picks off merit. Oh, you're right. Yes. I pick him when he has a great game. Agreed. Which is just often. I know. This guy, right? This flippin' guy. Flippin' guy. Where do we

find this guy? So, at the time, I said, you know, I love William Nylander and I've defended William Nylander but it would sure be nice if he scored a big goal. Right. And at the time, it was not a popular take but if you looked back through it were not a lot of big goals in his career

this year boom flag in the earth it's almost like he was listening he is has been everything that I hoped and wanted and said and believed that he would be from 2016 onwards the first time I saw him called up with Ben Smith and

Kasperi Kaepernick and Zach Hyman too they were all called up the same game and Steve sat that game out because you wanted to come record the podcast And we're like, we could have recorded another night, Steve. And you're like, nah. And Mrs. Dangle went instead.

I don't understand that. And it wasn't Ben Smith. Even better, Nikita Soshnikov. No, Ben Smith came up too. Oh, did he? Yeah. Gosh darn. I miss German League star and College Cup champion Ben Smith.

Captain. True. Of the Toronto Marlies when they won that damn thing. Wow. That's what they're missing right now. Yeah, I think it's been undeniable this season how many big goals he's had. Huge. Huge.

And you know what? I'm sure glad that they didn't listen to Don Cherry. When he said they need to trade him or Mitch Marner for Erika Branson. Oh Goodness Goodness take this from Paul Hendrick William Nylander has game-winning goals in back-to-back games This was obviously before last night his seven game-winning goals seven this year lead the Leafs all All seven have come on the road. Oh, huge.

Can't see. Talking big. Big money Willie. Big money Willie. Well, you know, middle of the pack money Willie, though. You know what I mean? It's reasonable money Willie. Reasonable money Willie.

Yeah. Reasonably priced Willie. Right. Which is, I think, the kind of Willie that we're all after. Now, that's Who Wore the Crown for this week. Brought to you, as always, by Crown Royal. I feel like that's a guitar. Next time the puck drops, why not live generously and treat your fleece crew to a good time?

I'm not sure what the problem is here. No, no, no, let's keep going. Let's keep going. I have a question, guys. Why not? I have a question. Sorry. I have a question.

Is Jim Houston a Canucks fan, guys? Oh, my God. You do not ask me about co-worker Jim Houston. How dare you? I can't tell, because off the bench comes Beagle. He blocked the shot, and he came off the bench. Where's the line? Listen, what I want to say is

You're a Bell bully No, I'm not Bell, let's bully Hashtag Bell, let's bully You guys are hypocritical liars No, I think what I'm trying to say is I think Jim Hewson is a Canucks fan And I think he enjoys, like most people do

Trolling Leafs fans And I think there's And I have to be honest with you I'm a little bit here for it Because if I were him, I would do the exact same thing Leafs fans, okay Something that Leaf fans need to become self-aware You need to become like the computer in Terminator

You need to be self-aware And you need to realize that you're the big bad wolf You need to kill millions of people? No, not that I've never seen Terminator The computer becomes self-aware And basically the whole job of the Terminators The whole job of the computer is to defend humanity from itself

And so what it does It takes over humanity And humanity tries to fight back Because man is man's biggest enemy It's a good little concept Considering it came out in the early 80s, it's pretty cool. Okay. But some of the newer movies suck.

Holy moly. The point I'm trying to make here is, Leaf fans, you're an easy target because you're the biggest target. And also easy to goad. No, exactly. Nobody's cheering for you except the enormous fan base that follows the Toronto Maple Leafs. So stop worrying about it. When Jim Houston bothers you with, on the bench comes me, don't worry about it.

Just listen. You're everybody's enemy. Just start accepting the fact That you're big They're not And you're okay The Leafs don't need more fans You don't

Well Listen We'll take them anyway Yeah we'll take them But We got enough There's a little part Of the Canucks fan base

That wants the Leafs To go to the cup final You think so? Just to be like Okay Oh Okay now it's your turn Now it's your turn

Yeah Because I can see that Everyone cheered for the Cute and cuddly Flames And everyone cheered For the cute and cuddly Oilers Sens

Less I didn't cheer for the Sens in 07. No, I didn't either. I did. It's because you're the worst. I was like, oh, no, they lost to Anaheim. I also thought the Pronger-Niedermeyer pairing was pretty cool. It was a little bit good.

It was a little bit good. I looked at hockey differently back then. I was like, yeah, break his legs, which is what the Ducks did. Right. My name is Brian Burke, and I just told them to go out there and break each other's legs, and they did, and we won the cup. Brian Burke, who probably had the worst week, because he put together the USA team that lost in the Golden Goal game.

So, oh, everyone's been asking him, hey, how'd it feel to have the Golden Goal scored against you? Yeah. The team you built. So, not that fun. Well, thanks for asking that question, Dick. No, where were we going? Do you remember?

We were just talking about the fact that, listen, the Jim Hewson vitriol every time the Canucks and Leafs play, relax, everyone. He is a Canucks fan, and he probably doesn't like the Leafs, and it'll be okay. Oh, do people have a problem with the people broadcasting the game? Like, I don't see Greg Millen trend every single week. Yo, what's the deal with Greg Millen? I guess I don't listen enough.

Because it's Bell that's bullied from you. That's why. He works for Bell. No, he doesn't. He doesn't? He's Rodgers. Yeah, he's Rodgers. You don't even know your own co-workers.

I don't know. Just big shot at him. Doesn't have time for names. We have Chris Cuthbert, right? I really like Chris Cuthbert and Ray Favreau. Yeah, of course you do. Of course you do. Oh, he's just really good.

We'll see. Okay. What's he ever done? Give me your resume. Probably a lot. 20 years plus, probably? Okay, gold medal game. That's one game.

All right? Whatever. Did he do that? I don't even know. He did. I don't know. He did. That's a lot.

It's one game, though. Get a grip, Adam. V-game, but okay. It's one game. Get a grip. The Leafs are 3-0 since Ayersgate. Yep. Now, from what you saw last night and what you've seen this week, how are you feeling?

How does it make you feel? Man, I have, well, calmed down significantly, to say the least. But also, I really, I do really admire what the team's doing because, you know, the narrative of they're not trying hard enough and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that was legitimate. That was legit. Yeah, they weren't trying there's been a couple time this year's where that where it's happened The team was capable of more. Yeah, you can't tell me they tried harder than Carolina, right? So and you can't tell me they tried harder than Pittsburgh in the first game that they played, you know

And you could say well, it's based on results. No. Well, sometimes trying gets you the result you want You know what I mean trying harder than the other team. Yeah, if the Leafs tried that more being more crisp more disciplined Did the four nothing game against Pittsburgh made me go what happened? what happened the game before and then where did it go right so that's why i was losing my mind but then muzzin goes down and just seeing the like it's like two two third graders stacked on each other's shoulders wearing a trench coat times six out there on the d and and what they're doing with what they've got is incredible and you know martin morinchen jumping up in the rush that is something a guy who plays over 20 minutes

does. And he did. We're not talking enough about... Tyson Berry took zero shots last night. 25 minutes. And played over 25 minutes. Yep. Even Callie Rosen looks like he shot out of a cannon every time he hits the ice. Shots on goal, right? Shots on goal. I think he had a couple shots and they just didn't

make it to the net. Yeah. And he set up Goat on the first goal. They're imperfect. And Sandin is doing a lot of sinking and swimming. And sometimes it's a little bit more sink than swim but he's fighting like he's battling every game he's laying big hits he's trying out he looks like travis dermot the first year when he played like 37 games well i don't

man man i don't even know if he's there like he in a perfect world with no injuries they'd they wouldn't have burned the first year of his elc the second morgan riley got hurt it's no okay you're coming up um but what they're doing with what they have is pretty remarkable jesse how do you feel i feel like we should be very optimistic about their chances in the first round because if they're firing all cylinders for the next what i think it's 16 games if you go on a little run here for like 16 15 whatever it is and then at the end of the that this little run if you get riley back if you get muzzin back if you get cc back then it's like oh crap these guys are on fire plus they're getting all of this backup who's been resting and just getting stronger and then they go

into the first round and say they play Tampa, it's going to be really close. And I can definitely see the path right now of them winning that first round series. And you start to see the factor that just atrophy plays in the course of winning a championship. Riley might be rusty, Muzzin might be rusty, CeCe might be rusty, Stamkos might be rusty on account of he's about to miss six to eight weeks. There's no way. I have a hard time believing any of the people I just mentioned are going to be 100% come playoff. And the Stamkos injury is interesting because that was a nagging injury that they just decided to get surgery on.

Where's the doctors telling him that, like, three weeks ago? So he's in trouble. I bet that's a hernia, by the way. And I bet it got worse. You think so? It's a core injury. That's hernia, you think? Normally, I mean, you can't, it can be other things, but I would imagine it's a hernia.

And I would imagine that it's probably put, because what happens is the lining of your, in your, my dad had one, The lining in your around your stomach rips not not your stomach itself but the muscular lining that keeps everything in that pocket in rips and you have to go in and Get it done And it's a really it can be like some hernias are so bad that you actually see people's things like pushing against their Yeah, like their guts pushing against their skin right and so you know So if it is that and I again they haven't told us that but it's six to eight weeks for sure And then try taking a slap shot after that

With your whole body twisting I mean that's part of his game So and this is Obviously not very official But we were going through the footage Of the Leafs Lightning game Trying to find the shift where that happened

He hit Clifford Didn't think anything of it and then he hit Goat And then he sort of like buckled to the left I thought it might have been his left leg But I could totally understand and how that might have been his core. But, you know, look at Crosby. He's playing great, and I'm pretty sure he had a similar injury.

He was out with abdominal surgery earlier in the season, so, you know, he could come back and play just great in the playoffs. Totally. You don't know. But right now, I believe odds are from Dom Lissishen, it's 73%, I think, likelihood that the Leafs play the Lightning in the first round. Yeah. Until that goes down to zero next week or something.

Right, because the percentage is crazy like that. They have one bad California road trip You know what guys, I gotta tell you My faith is not there And I told you that it wouldn't be I told you that it wouldn't be And I told you it wouldn't be because this team And I got a couple DMs from people going

You guys, oh you're gonna have to walk back Everything, every bad thing you said last week I kept my DMs open The way I scream for them When we speak at the time of things At the time those things are true Isn't it crazy how a week later that's outdated Sometimes those things may hold true going forward.

Sometimes circumstances change. Why is that a hard concept? Wins, losses, performances, none of those matter. All that matters is that you're right and everyone knows it. No, my favorite is I'm not going to take a stance, and then I'm going to wait until your stance gets out of date, and then I'm going to put you on the wrong one. But I'm going to say this.

I am sticking to my stance, and my stance was get to the second round, get to the third round, and then we're talking. And I also, there's also a caveat to that. It's not just because I'm being stubborn. I'm stubborn. But I also believe that the Leafs have a serious issue brewing. And we've talked about this before, and it's still an issue. Two shots, two goals, kick off the game.

Freddie Anderson. Guys, this is an issue. It's a problem. And it's not Freddie the person. It's not even Freddie the goalie. It's Freddie the puck stopper. But it's how Freddie's stopping it right now, or not stopping it. Right.

And I remember at the beginning of the season, I'm like, Like, Freddie Anderson's my favorite player. So it's not like I'm looking at this going, you know, screw Freddie Anderson. But it can't happen. I don't care how much team defense issues the Leafs had. Here's the thing. The Leafs' team defense two and three years ago was far worse than it is now. Far worse.

Who was the top line pairing with Morgan Rielly that first year with, or sorry, the second year with Mike Babcock? It was Connor Carrick. Haynes? No. It was briefly Marincin. So it was Riley Hunwick, Gardner Carrick, and then Polak and probably Marincin. Oh, boy.

That was the Leafs defense. And you know what Freddie got that year? Somewhere in the neighborhood of like a 9-18. Yeah. You know what he's at now? A 9-06. The fact is, you can blame some of the goals on Leafs defense, team defense. I'm with you.

I'm 100% with you. But there is no question that Freddie Anderson is underperforming. Something's up. He's either injured or mentally something's not right. I think it's mental. There's no way. If it was injury, they would have pulled him in at this point. 100%.

So I'm concerned because the Canucks and the Leafs are a lot like each other, right? Where they both can score goals and they had no goaltending last night. And I'm really concerned in the playoffs, especially going against Tampa Bay, with the firepower they have and Stephen Stamkos coming back and Kucherov being back to being Nikita Kucherov and Yanni Gord and Brayden Point and Hedman

and Sorrelli. Destroyer, Destroyer, Destroyer, Destroyer. They're unreal. They're unbelievable. And they just got Coleman and they just got Goudreau. And I don't blame the Leafs for not loading up, but the point here is we've seen Freddie be that bad in the playoffs.

We were there. We were in Boston. We watched him for two straight games in that 2018 series led in six awful goals each game. Wasn't good. So if he's where he's at now, he better clean it up in the next 10 games or you have to look at other options. You have to look at Jack Hamill.

And that's why I don't think he's hurt because they have him playing games to find his game. If he's hurt, you're not like, maybe if we play him more, he'll get better. No, that's the opposite, right? And then though His numbers are They're absolutely terrible

The amount of times he allows The first goal is terrible The amount of times he allows The first shot is terrible And I'm watching last night And I'm like Both defensemen are behind the frigging net Like

And I know you need a save I know you need one He's been giving them that Years For years now I know And you need Oh the Leafs are giving up

The one The one thing I don't like about Certain goalie stats To say high danger scoring chance I think is Completely vague You don't like that number? Well, no, I like the idea of it

But, like, I'm looking I'm looking at the first goal the Canucks scored yesterday And I'm going, that is That's more than a high danger scoring chance That's, Freddie needs to Rob the guy To not make a save Rob the guy

Because it's cross crease, right? You're asking him for five, six highlight-of-the-night saves every night. Not just big saves. You're asking him for above and beyond. And then the second goal is a funny bounce. I don't know if I blame anybody for that. But that's one where it's like you'd be nice to get a save. Yes, but then you're saying he did have a good game.

If the two goals he allowed aren't his fault at all, then there's nothing wrong with Freddie, which I don't agree with. The first one on the second one, you could argue. The first one, I'm like, that's more than a high-dage scoring chance. The highlight reel saves are what he's been giving them. That's the bar. I know that's the bar. Jesse, can you look up just what the save percentages are around the league?

Who are the top guys who have played at least 20 games? Okay, just regular save percentage? Yeah, just regular save percentage. I would like that. Because it feels like, I was looking at Connor Hellebuyck's stats. I got it right here. Last night at the beginning of the Jets-Oyos game. And I saw it was a 920, and I'm like, holy shit, no one gets a 920 anymore.

Like that, you know, you could get a 920. Freddie was a 918. He wasn't even nominated for the Vezina. No, it was a joke. It's changing very quickly, though. What are our minimum games? 20. 20.

20 games. Kudobin, 930. Wow! Darcy Kemper, 929. Wow. Pavel Frantzouz, 929. That's why he got the extension. So wait, say those again.

Top three. Hudobin, Anton Hudobin in Dallas, Darcy Kemper in Arizona, Apple Fransuz in Colorado. 1A starter and backup. That's unbelievable. Hudobin's at 28, Kemper's at 26, Fransuz is 29. Fransuz is going to steal Grubauer's job. Oh, I think it's going to be gone.

He's unbelievable. And then who do we got? Then we got Tuka Rask, 928. Love that trade. Tristan Jari, 924. Jake Allen, 922. Jake Allen. Yeah.

Ben Bishop, 921. Antti Ranta, 921. Then we keep going down the list. So there are guys, I guess. Who's around Freddie? Like, I want to know some of the names around Freddie. 906. Who's in the 906 range?

Because that's what he's got. I've got to keep scrolling. Mike Smith in Edmonton is a 905. Okay. Morazic is a 904. Okay. Riddich, 907. Big save, Dave!

UC Soros is 9-0-7. Aaron Dell, 9-0-7. Oh! Guys, are you hearing this? Bernier, 9-0-7 in Detroit. Are you hearing this? Bernier, I cannot believe no one got him at the deadline. Look at what has happened to Jimmy Howard.

That guy hasn't won a game since October 25th. And it's not because he hasn't played. He's played 20. That's unbelievable. I think the excuses are, I think there's too many of them. Excuse me Freddy for his bad play because something is not something's not right He shouldn't be down with Aaron Dell and Peter It's weird is it weird no I know but the Sabres were so bad a couple years ago remember the Jack Eichel year

Yeah, and then they were horrendously bad, and I think that this year's Detroit's worse. Is it oh boy. It's that's a tough race Just them passing each other the puck Is it weird that I look at the first goal The Vancouver scored And I'm less bothered by it Than the big save he made In the third period Where he just kicked the rebound

Right onto JT Miller's stick And he forced himself to make an enormous save He had an unbelievable third period He did, but the past few games His rebound control has been awful Awful He's not playing his best. That's 100% and I'll concede that.

But I just look at the opportunities that are afforded to the other team night in and night out, and I know you need a save. There are unbelievably good chances. But he used to make those saves and he's not. And that's the difference, guys. That's the difference. I don't know if it was ever this bad. Oh, Steve, it was horrendous.

Yes! We just went through a team that made the playoffs with Matt Hunwick, Morgan Riley, Jake Gardner, Roman Polak. You're talking about on paper. I'm talking about the way they're playing. That team was awful on defense. It sure was. Awful. But the way they're playing now,

is it fair to ask them to still make those saves when they're happening so consistently? You know? Yes. The defensive lapses. Because that's his level of play. They wouldn't have got to the playoffs that year if it were not for him.

And he was bad in October, right? Remember he had a bad Fred Tober? Really not good. For a couple years here, he did not play well in October. My point here is, guys, I cannot have faith in this team until Freddie Anderson is right.

And I can't have faith in this team until they make it to the first round, too, because honestly, we know it's Tampa and it's Boston. That's what it's going to be. It's going to be Tampa and Boston unless something goes catastrophically wrong with whoever Boston plays in the first round. Right now it's Carolina. So at a certain point, let's just recognize this for what it is. Toronto's going up against murderers.

These people are so good at what? Scoring singles and winning hockey games. Yeah, and you know what Toronto's bad at? playing defense, and now their goalie's not up to snuff. And their penalty kill has been terrible, but over the last three games, 6-for-6, so that's good including Tampa. I was

encouraged by that. The penalty kill has got to improve or they're toast. The thing is that I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of being negative, but I am legitimately worried about that. I think that's the one thing. If Freddie Anderson was playing Freddie Anderson for

any other iteration of Freddie Anderson up until 2020, even freddie anderson for the beginning of this season from october to december i'd be like yeah you know what i agree with you i can see a path forward through here but i just don't see it yet and i want whatever he's working through maybe maybe last night was the first step towards whatever he and the goalie coaches are working on uh and maybe the rebound control was a bit of a mistake or whatever it was and i understand the leafs team defense sucks i get that too. But you cannot

account for a 10 or more save percentage loss on team defense. Period. End of story. Don't even talk to me about it. So there's other stuff though that we should talk about. There's nothing to talk about. The one thing that separates

the Leafs and Tampa and Boston is that the Leafs have just allowed more goals in the season. How many teams have scored more goals than the Leafs as a team? Where are they sitting goals for? Let me have a look. They're number one.

They're first place in the entire league in goals scored as a team. Wow. But then you look at their goals against, and it's up there, and it's like not very good. It's like 218 or something. Yeah, their guy is pretty high. But if they just scaled back some of those goals against, then the team's up there with all the best teams in the league.

What if they simply stopped allowing goals? And if you just stopped allowing a little bit percentage more of goals, it's a different season. And what's weird is I feel like, I actually feel like, at least in the last few games, the number of scoring chances has gone down. Against, you mean? Against, yeah. But the ones I see are great, eh?

They're so good. To be fair, and I think James Myrtle tweeted this out last night, recently, as much as the defense core is trying, I think their total cost this year to the Leafs is $6.85 million. Yeah. And there are 18 defensemen that make more than that in the league right now. The Leafs' D-core right now makes less than Nylander. It's a little depleted. Now, Zach Hyman, who we did not crown, I'm surprised he didn't get a crown,

but 21 goals last year in 71 games. This year, he has 21 in 47, and he missed the first six weeks of the year. In typical Zach Hyman fashion, you could give him the crown every week if you really wanted to, and it wouldn't even be shoehorning. He gave Willie the crown every week. It wouldn't even be shoehorning. He does it off merit. How dare you?

He earns it every single episode. Every single episode. So Zach Hyman, 21 goals in 47 games. That is a 36-goal pace over an 82-game season. Zach Hyman. And, you know, that seems small to Leaf fans now just because Austin Matthews scores at the rate he does. Like, Leaf fans, it's almost like because of everything else,

all the other noise. Have you forgotten that in our lifetime, we've never seen a 45-goal score? Like, it's been 25 years. What was the most amount of goals Phil Kessel ever had as a Leaf? I think it was 36. Is it? I think it was 36.

He never hit 40. He was always supposed to. He never hit it. The most amount of goals that Phil Kessel ever scored as a Toronto Maple Leaf was 37. He did it twice. 37. So Zach Hyman is closing in on a pace. He's closing in on Phil Kessel's best goal scoring pace as a Leaf.

When you put it that way, that's freaking ridiculous. And he's, like, their fourth best goal scorer? Probably fifth. Yeah, I would put him behind that. Well, he's better than Marner at scoring goals right now. He's not better than Marincin. That's not even an insult. That's not what he does.

He's not better than Marincin. You're right. You're right. Put him after Marincin. Don't insult Marincin. Right, right. The best goal scorer in Slovakian history. Hasa, whatever.

Never heard of him. No. Here's something else that's really funny. The most goals Matt said he never scored with the Leafs was 41. Now, that was the dead puck era. Yes. However. It's different.

Zach Hyman is closing in on Madsen Dean. I doubt Zach Hyman ever has a 40-goal season, but... I mean, he might have a 36-goal season. The way he's playing. If he was playing a full season this year, he'd have more than Alexander McGilney did in his first year with the Leafs and second year with the Leafs.

24 and 33. See, this is equal parts Zach Hyman is playing great and the dead puck era sucked. It did suck. Sucked. It was so bad. You want to talk You want to complain about rules never being enforced Yeah

You were just allowed to latch on to people like a koala And it was fine It was fine And why hockey was Lost a good generation of fans to other sports Honestly Should we call the rules or have a glowing puck? Glowing puck

Yeah well I mean it's the 90s we have the technology It's great Everyone loves it It's very good to watch on my standard definition television my 4x3 standard definition with the bunny ears. The most goals Doug Gilmore ever scored for the Leafs? 32. And he did that twice.

What did he get the year he won the Selkie? 32, 95, 127. So Zach Hyman's on a better goal scoring pace than arguably the greatest season any Leaf has ever had. Yeah. He's a little bit good, guys. He's a little bit good.

Well, and here's the thing. Next season is his last of this contract. Right. Mother F. Yeah. How about this? In the summer, they can

negotiate an extension. How about we don't bring back Zach Hyman? Because the money is too much. How about you get out of the studio right now? No, we, no, no.

What about that? That's a very interesting conversation, though. He's 27. He's 90. He's saving. I think you try. Because that's right into

his, I mean, we're getting his good years now. Right? Because how much, okay, how much is Zach Hyman gonna cost? This is the conversation, right? If Zach Hyman puts How much? He's a $5 million player

on the open market. You guys know it. He's a $5 million player. 5.5 Easily. If Kevin Hayes is a $7 million player, what's Zach Hyman? Especially if he puts up 30 goals. He's not We can't afford Zach Hyman. Who do you even use

as a comparable? You don't use Kevin Hayes? Tom Wilson. But that's two years old. That contract. So he's, what, five and a half? It's also propped up by a cup. Yeah, and a great run. That contract looked awful.

The way the core is set up, if the Leafs do win a cup, and I would never make... That's great. You play to win the cup. That's great, end of story. But you are going to get very attached to players, and they are going to be gone very fast. Yeah, well, ask Chicago about that.

Ask Chicago about that. Well, and because they actually made hard decisions, they won more than one. And then it wasn't until they started bringing the band back together that they stunk. You can't go home. No. That's the saying. You can't go home. And the thing is with the Leafs is that you have to do that.

You have to develop another Zach Hyman. I mean, that's sort of... Oh, good luck. Well, I'm not saying... Yeah, I think you can. You can find that. Is Zach Hyman the only player in history that ever hustled for a puck? I mean, I think you can find that.

It's a spirit thing. You can find that guy. That's their job. Guys, this is the only guy with spirit we're ever going to see. Kapanen has shown this potential for years, and it's just coming out of him now. He's 23. Give him time. He's got four more years to be that guy.

You know what's funny? I think Kapanen is younger now. I think Kapanen is younger now than when Hyman made his NHL debut. Yeah, he probably was. Yeah, Hyman took it. I'm siding with you. Hyman was drafted in 20. Take the olive branch.

No. Hyman was drafted in 2010, guys. He was already three years in the Florida Panthers organization when this podcast started. Zach Hyman's one year younger than John Tavares? Mm-hmm. He's not a kid. He's turned 28 this year. He was the same draft year as Taylor Hall and Tyler Sagan?

Yeah. All right. Dope. All right. Nah, but let's just, we'll never find another one. How will we ever find another one? We are, now, no. Zach, here's the plan now, all right?

He's going to sign eight years. League win. No. Because he is the hero. He's going to sign the Kyle Clifford contract. He's the hero. All right? I won't have any Zach Hyman on my podcast.

Is it wrong of me to say that you should just play out the contract next year with Zach Hyman? Yes. And not sign an extension at all because it's too much money? This is the point. This is why you have a farm team. Unless it's great. Unless what he's coming in at is great. He's going to get $5 million.

He's a 30-goal scorer who can play on the first line and hustle his foot puck every time. It's $5 million. And guess what? Same year? Morgan Rielly's up, too. Leafs don't have $5 million. Woo! Oh, Morgan Rielly has not played a game for two months, and he has made money during that time.

Guys. He has made a lot of money. Unless. The focus that summer will be Morgan Rielly. Unless the Leafs find a way to change their goalie situation to someone who's very cheap or a pair of people who are very cheap, and then that $5 million that Freddie Anderson makes can go towards that kind. Listen.

There's something. I think we should appreciate that right now. I think you put the money in the goaltending position. Nah, what about Zach Hyman? You know what? This is the most Leaf fan conversation ever. We're dreading the contract he's going to have rather than celebrating the one he has, which is awesome.

From the moment it was signed, it was awesome. And it's still awesome. Hooray. Let's talk about how awesome it is. If we can't speculate on future things, then we don't have a podcast. Exactly, dude. This is what the whole media thing is about. New rule, no speculation.

All right, what's next? Then you can read the box scores and you don't need us at this point. Is that what you want? You want us to do highlights? Yeah. Bang. Bang. Zach Hyman.

Bang. Bang. It's 2-1. 2-1 game. You got to say it with the Dutchie, wait until you get a load of this shit. Right. 2-1 game. You brought up Kasperi Kapanen, but I did want to quickly highlight.

I love the fact that Kasperi Kapanen in the last two weeks has become a guy that NHL teams hate taking a shift against he it's almost like he now it's like oh I get it you know sometimes you're like how come you understand something that's major in your life and you're like how come I couldn't have understood that

a week ago a week ago I did not understand this but I know I have crossed the threshold I have come into I've come in from the cold I for some reason understand something massive in my life that I did not get before it's like Casperi Kapanen finally goes I get it

I know what I am He is the danger He's figured it out He's the other danger We talked about the ugh factor You don't want to be the guy Who your teammates see And go ugh

You want to be the guy who when you hit the ice When they even make eye contact With you on the bench The other team goes ugh Gotta take a shift against the fucking captain Like with it It was probably already unpleasant to play against him on account of he's one of the fastest players in the league.

And are you tired? You hung over? You battled in the flu? You got a nagging injury? Guess what? Whee! Freaking meep meep out there. Meep meep.

I don't do a good roadrunner, but he's meep meeping out there. Now it's meep meep into you. And if you have anything to say about it, he'll punch you in the face. Exhausting! I love it. I love having this guy on my team. And he's on Instagram posting stuff like Cheeks Clappin' him. Because that's what he does, man.

Why not? Listen, you can post your goofy shit if you're playing good. Yeah, I guess. I was getting mad because he was posting goofy shit, the Leafs were losing, and he just got suspended. Yeah, that was annoying. But now he's cappy, he's scrappy. You see what William Nylander called him when he gave him the game ball? Snappy.

Oh, wow. I don't know if that's because he's a snappy dresser or because he just snaps when he's out there now. Can't be contained. He's like the wimp from Slapshot who just decided he's going to beat people up now. And he's going to rip the sleeves off all his shirts

to indicate how much of a badass he is. That's Catman. He's never heard of sleeves. Sleeves never heard of him. He's sleeving them in his dust because he's a fast guy. You get it? Sorry, I couldn't.

I was trying to come up with something that Brian was snappy. I couldn't do it. Listen, I love it. I love it. I wish we got to see this sooner. But he's a guy who you had to give direction to. And there's so much of Cappy that reminds me of Nas. And when was Nas the best?

When you gave him direction. When you gave him a mission. Sickum. Sickum. The sickum shifts from Nas were amazing. And it took away from his scoring, but it also led to it. You know what I mean? Because it freed up space.

It freed up space for his teammates. It directly led to a comeback in a playoff game against Washington. It's the best shift, maybe the best highlight of Nazem Kadri's career he was on the bench for. You know? It was Matthew scoring. What about the McDavid goal? Good point. Good point.

Ovechkin, Sikkim. Like, it was great. You had to give him a mission. When you give Kaepernick a mission, he's great. You know who had a mission last night? Travis Dermott. I was going to go to Travis Dermott next. What did you think?

Travis Dermott's mission was to be an asshole to Pedersen. He's really stepped up. And it cost him a penalty, unfortunately. But it was a good example of they're not going to call everything. By my count, you could have called at least three Dermott on Pedersen penalties. And so this is the interesting part of the Dubas philosophy that I think gets lost in the mix. Because, obviously, the brand is, get a bunch of high-skilled guys and hope nobody beats us up. That's what people think.

It's Travis Dermott. What Kyle Dubas suggests always is get your big, talented players and surround them with other talented players. And if you need to make a move for a tougher player, a la a Kyle Clifford, you can do that. Thank you, Trevor Moore. Undrafted free agent. The other thing that you can do, and by the way, Trevor Moore was feisty. The other thing you can do is allow your skilled players to learn to have a bit of an edge. You saw it in Florida where Matthews hit McKenzie Wieger and then scored a goal right after.

Took him right out of the plate. That's a good body check. That's what body checks are supposed to be. And I think with Travis Dermott, we saw it with Pettersson last night, and I think Pettersson's still injured a little bit. He seems to be fighting something. He looked fed up. Yeah. He didn't, like, there's a certain thing that comes with being a vet of his skill level.

It's weird to call him a vet. No, no, no, no. I'm saying, so he's young and he's on his ELC. Crosby complained, like, to the point where it hurt his game. Oh, you mean like it knocked him out of the headspace. Yeah, and after a while, you just figure it out and you go to the next shift. Or you get up and you continue the shift. And Pedersen right now, boy, did he look fed up.

He looked fed up. He's battling something. Well, and so I do want to talk about the Canucks next because their story is so interesting as well. But with Travis Dermott and with Kasperi Kapanen, and Zach Hyman got this a little bit, but I think there's a little bit more physicality even with Zach Hyman's game. These guys who have some skill, who have different roles on the team, are figuring out that they're not going to call everything. Dude, I said this the moment Sheldon Keefe was hired

If anyone who ever watched the Marlies Knows that they didn't back down from anybody And they were never the bigger team on the ice Rarely ever But it's Sheldon Keefe coaching a team If you saw Sheldon Keefe play Yeah He's, I mean, I don't know

I don't know the sort of things Babcock talked about in the dressing room But I would not be shocked to see Sheldon Keefe go punch someone Dude, stick up for yourself. What the fuck? Yeah. Well, and I think it's nice to see guys who've got that deep skill. Rather than drafting big knuckle-dragging dudes, you draft the guys with skill and you let them pick up the fighting part. It's easier to pick up the scrappy part than it is to pick up the skill part.

And so you draft the skill and you hope the scrappy comes eventually. And it seems like it's happening. John Scott, like, even wasn't always a fighter. Like, if you listen to his story. He was, like, a pretty good player. One day they were like, you're bigger than everyone. Can you fight? And he's like, I'll try.

You know what I mean? So it's not this God-given gift. You come out and you're George St. Pierre. And, you know, you're John Jones. Bob Probert. Yeah, to bring it in hockey terms, I suppose. But yeah, it's you get, like, Ty Domi, even. Was a great junior player.

If Ty Domi, like, just made different choices. Wade Belak was the 12th overall pick. He went higher than Patrick Elias in the 1994 draft. Like, if Tim Thomas went in that draft, too, 12th round. If Ty Domi decided to play differently, he could have been. He could have been a 20, 30 goal scorer in the NHL. He was a skilled player. He won Leaf fastest skater.

Yep. He just decided to beat the shit out of people. And he made a lot of money doing it. And he did, yeah, and was always the shortest guy. Yep, absolutely. You know, it's not a size thing. Stick up for yourself for crying out loud. No one likes being punched in the face

Even if you lose the fight No one likes being punched in the face There can be nobody who's more mad today About the Martin Marincin goal than Freddie the Goat Who also had a wicked goal and no one's talking about it Great goal No one's talking about it Awesome guy, I told you he's got a great shot

People laugh Freddie the Goat has a great shot Legitimately great shot You just, you know, puck handling, whatever That's okay He has a great shot Man, that was, okay, as long as we're talking about goals that should have maybe been stopped.

Well, I think all the goals Demko allowed probably should have been stopped. I think he lost it because Fantenberg got down on a knee, and I think he lost the puck, and by the time he picked it up, it was behind him. But, yeah, Goats got a great shot. When you were talking about Freddie the Goat's shot in the LFR, you made a fun comparison to Mitch Marner. on how they both like to pass first.

And then occasionally they're like, oh, everyone knows they're going to pass first. I'm going to try to shoot it. And that's kind of what Freddie did there. That's sort of the point I was making. I generalized it a lot. Yeah, goats not pass first. It's just surprise them.

Surprise them. I hate how predictable the Leafs are sometimes when I watch them. Marner's passing. He's going to carry it. And teams have started to learn to leave him alone Because he's trying to draw a penalty He's trying to do two things

Find open space to make a great pass Or draw a penalty He's going to carry it And I remember a game It was either last year or the year before Where he's standing in front of Tukorask And he just blasts it He just blasts a slap shot

And it goes in Because who the hell is expecting that? No one's expecting Marner to take a standing still slap shot In front of the net So So the comparison I was making was more Marty, so he's got Tavares trailing, he's passing it back. No.

Every now and then just do something perplexing. Every now and then just confuse the other team. Why would Marincin take it? Why would Goat shoot from there? Why would anything? Just be less predictable and you become a nightmare. all of a sudden they're having to account for all these maybes

and they leave alone Matthews, they leave alone what? Sometimes the over-structured part of Babcock's coaching I think held them back because it didn't allow for that. Now, unfortunately, it swung the other way for a little while where they got a little too loose and they're like, we're going to do whatever!

The key is to have several different plays in your playbook and then defer to one of them. And here, you know what? Here's one. You know what might have freed up space for Goat? You know what might have confused Demko? Barry passing. Instead of shooting.

Just be less predictable. Yep. That's all. And last night was a good example of that from the Leafs. I do want to take a quick spotlight on the Canucks here. Well, it's not really a quick one, but I do want to talk about the Canucks because they are from the most interesting division in hockey. Easily.

And with the loss last night, things got way more complicated for them. I believe as of the trade deadline, they were leading the division. They now find themselves third, six points back of Vegas. Last show, I believe it was like two points. And now Mark Stone out week to week. Yes, but the Canucks are six back of Vegas. We'll see. Right.

But I think the thing with Vegas is that Marc-Andre Fleury is starting to play like Marc-Andre Fleury again, and they have Robin Leonard. I was about to say, if he falters, they have a Vesna nominee. Right. And so here's the thing. Where this becomes a disaster for Vancouver is they do not have a pick until the third round of this year's draft. And they did not make the playoffs last year. The Canucks fans are in absolute uproar right now.

And actually, you should see some of the... Ah, they need a goalie. Yeah, they do, but they didn't address that. Oh, no, they got Louis Domingue. So, Jeff Patterson, who's a Canucks reporter on... This is a quote from Travis Green. That was a good game by our team. We played a good road game, battled back,

bit of an unlucky goal in the third one. Good response from our team, coming into a tough building against a good team, quite easily could have gone the other way. That was the unlucky one? That's what he said. That's so disrespectful So people are

He hit the post and got his own rebound People are People are very upset because the response to his tweet The responses are amazing Like this guy Jake Every time you lose isn't a good game Greener And Keep playing Louie and sucking the second line

Of any offense So we played two good games and lost both What? Nobody is buying the sugar coat routine anymore Travis This team sucks. Make some adjustments. This is a team that is in the playoffs. I think the Canucks fans are being way too hard on Leafs legend Travis Green.

True. Third line legend, Travis Green. Overtime winner. Which one was that? Philly? Oh my god, I don't remember. I think it was Philly. Yeah.

Here's the thing. The Canucks are in a tough race. And to say that they suck is unequivocally wrong. You could make the argument that Calgary has sucked, and they have sucked for parts of this year. They won the division last year. They're Toronto West They are They are

Just a team That is capable Of so much more Yes But they're coming back But here's the thing With the Canucks You lose your number one goalie

Things are going to be tough Yeah And I don't understand Like there's no other way To put that Dude the goat goal Can't go in And like okay

You give the goalie The benefit of the doubt On one Right Okay so Wipe the goal The goat goal clean The Matthews goal

Can't go in The Marincin one Was almost just A bar in wrist shot From Martin Marincin I'm sorry I know you're not Expecting it

But holy shit Well and here's the thing To back that point In his last three games He's allowed ten goals And he's sporting An 8-9-2 save percentage You see what happens

To teams that don't Have good goaltending And you still think That there's not Some issues with Freight answers Sometimes it's that simple Yeah

We need some stops And we're not getting them We need some phenomenal stops sometimes, too. But then if you say that and you're the coach, you're a jerk. Right. You single out one guy on a team of 18 skaters, you know? And it's a tough position for Demko. I don't know what his numbers are in the season.

I assume he was better as a backup, but now you know you're the guy. There isn't better goaltending behind you. No disrespect to Louis Domingue, there isn't better goaltending behind you. His record last year with Tampa was unbelievable as a 9-0-7. Yeah. on the league's best team. Like, come on. But that's, and that's the thing,

and I still think people who played hockey, people who have watched hockey, are so used to not picking out a goaltender's performance because you don't do that when you're in the dressing room. In any setting, it's competitive hockey, it's even if you're a grown man. I'm 40, and I'm a man, and I play hockey on Thursday nights.

I'm not a kid. If you are on a hockey team, or you are a hockey coach, you don't blame the goalie for losses. However, sometimes, guys, it's the goalie. But the reality is that sometimes it can be the goalie, even though you don't want to pick him up. According to John Tortorella, you need a goddamn occasional save.

That's right. Just need a guy. John Graham. Also, I mean, to be honest, Pettersson was a little not there last night. And they don't have Brock Besser. Yep. Toffoli's been a nice pickup. Sure.

He was a bit, the two penalties in the last minute of the game, and one of them didn't count because it was a goal, But I was like, why, man? Yeah, but, I don't know, what was that, with like 30 seconds left or something? Yeah, but still. I was like, why are you still pulling the goalie? Stop it. Because you want to keep playing.

I guess. You're supposed to go hard to the end. Don't tell them not to try, Steve. But I wanted them to because they were trying to score on my team. That was my wish. And Steve is not confident in our goaltending situation. There it is right there, proof, boom. Shit.

Shit. Adam got it. Guys, Leon Drysaddle's got 102 points. That's great. Can I go to the bathroom? Sure. Sorry. Why don't we pause?

All right, we can pause. Leon Drysaddle has 102 points, guys, and I still can't properly spell his last name. Ooh, let's try that. D-R-A-I-S. No, no, no, hold on. Start again. I got it. D-R.

Hold on, Jesse, don't look it up. No, no, no. Ah, all right. D-R-A-I-S-A-I-T-L. Hey! Nice. You got it. You got it.

Wow. He's one of those names, like, every time I bring up Leon Drysaddle, I just put Leon D. Dunkish. Boy, did Edmonton need last night to win against the Jets? But I gotta say, the Jets needed it more. But how? Okay, I know this is not something that we do. But I feel like this year we're going to have to give out a playoff MVP trophy to a team that did not make the playoffs.

As in, the team that you tried hard and you blew us away, but you still didn't quite get there. And I feel like, unfortunately, and I hope this isn't the case, it's going to be the Jets. The Jets played great last night. Connor Hellebuck? Dude, Connor Hellebuck, he said 9-1-9 save percentage. You remember when Connor McDavid didn't win the heart because the Oilers didn't make the playoffs?

Which was silly. And Taylor Hall won? Which was silly. Okay. I regret my role in that. That is going to happen again, but this year we're going to have a double robbery because Connor Hellebuck is going to be held back

from the Vesna and the MVP, and he deserves both of them. I bet he doesn't even get nominated for the Vesna. That's a joke. A joke. It's a joke. It's ridiculous. Connor Hellebuck has taken the Jets' defense, which was wiped out.

Wiped out. And created something out of nothing. I have made fire. Yeah, they had an 18-year-old at the beginning of the season. And he was one of their best ones. To be fair. To be fair. Connor Hellebuck wasn't even the best goalie in the game last night.

Last night? Mike Smith was unbelievable and has been unbelievable for Edmonton. I would argue he's been more important to them, their success, because they've actually been winning, than Hellebuck has been to the Jets. That was a great tweet from, I think it was NHL Chunky. He's like, oh no, we're getting a good Mike Smith game. Right, it was 39 of 41. He has two gears.

He has two gears, and they're complete sieve and god. Didn't the Leafs get good Mike Smith earlier this year against the Oilers? Like, really good Mike Smith? I thought so. You might be thinking of the Calgary game, where we got Stonewall. Oh, that was Riddich. That was Riddich, yeah. I feel like we caught a good Mike Smith in the last couple years.

I can remember that. I think we did, and I want to say the game that they won in Edmonton this year, I think that was Koskinen. Right, right. Oh, that contract sucks. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah, well, he's been okay this year.

He's got Koskinen's 9-11 save percentage at a 289. Eh, not great. 34 games. It's I. That can best be described as I. It's I. The thing is, Josh Morrissey's also out. Like, you look at their line is out, Morrissey's out.

Like, this is a team that's been wiped out by free agency. And injuries. And whatever you call the Dustin Bufflin side of it. Which is injury and something else. Yep. So, I gotta hand it to the Jets. I mean, you expect the Oilers to win that game. But the fact that the Jets, the fact that you could say, the Jets could have won it, they played really well, wow.

And that's what I mean. Like, you can't do this every year. But if the Jets do not make the playoffs this year, boy, do they deserve it. You know, like, I know Jets fans are not very big on Paul Maurice. Dude, look at what he's working with back there. You know what I mean? It's like the Leafs right now, but always. That's just your reality, because that's what you have.

Like, that's a tough stuff. But he doesn't have a Morgan Rielly, Jake Muzzin coming back. No, you're getting a career season out of Neil Pionk. Like, you're struggling, man. And Connor Helbuck's keeping him in games. Connor, Kyle Connor, unbelievably underrated. Really good player. Does it make you wonder what they could have got for Trouba a couple years ago

when he was really hot on the market? Yeah. Because Pionk does not seem like enough. I know it was Pionk and a pick, but... Was it a first? I think so. And I know that they made their run and they got to the conference finals. I get that.

I get that. But my understanding at the time was they could have had something comparable to Trouba. They just wanted to make sure it was a right shot guy. And maybe they shouldn't have because they already had Bufflin and then they had Myers. Yeah, that's a tough one. They should have won the cup. They should have straight up won the cup. Yeah, but Vegas had Vegas magic.

And really, we called it Vegas magic, but they've been great for three years now. Absolutely. I mean, they could have easily made the cup final last year, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them there this year. I wouldn't be either. I wouldn't be there at all. No, and they, like, that was before they got Mark Stone. Yeah, so I, anyway, I feel like Connor Hellebuck is going to suffer from this old world stupidity that you have to make the playoffs to win any awards. But Vezna and Hart, he should be, bare minimum, top two in voting.

Both of them. It's a tough one because all the names Jesse mentioned, like Hudoman is not the starter for Dallas. No. Fransos has not been the starter for Colorado. But he did just get a three-year extension at two million bucks a pop. That's not bad. That's a great deal.

Oh, yeah. And Kemper was the starter for Arizona. Got hurt. You know, so Hellebuck is going to be in there with all these guys, except he's going to have played, like, twice as many games as almost all of them. You know, that's sort of how Vasilevsky won Vesna last year, didn't he? Yeah, I think so. You played significantly more than Leonard or Bishop.

Yep. Yeah, well, I mean, and I think frequency matters. I think it matters that you played more games. I 100% get that argument. But boy, for a guy that has, I mean, like you look at some of these teams with the players in front of them, like, you know, St. Louis' goalies, Colorado's goalies, Dallas' goalies, you know, they all have great numbers. You know, Bishop and Hudobin and, you know, everybody. but you look at what

Winnipeg has and the fact that they're right in there and that Winnipeg is within 10 points of Dallas who is a Stanley Cup favorite according to Elliott Friedman you

know what I mean like that is crazy and by the way Dallas lost a big game to Boston last night and it's funny because Boston is calling it well it's our back on track game

they have 94 points when did they get off track they had a bit of a slump they had a bit of a slump they're going to win

the President's Trophy if you go back and watch, in the beginning of the season, we talked about, we did a little bit of predictions. I want you to go back and check out the predictions that one Adam Wilde made about the Atlantic Division. I said the Boston Bruins

were going to come out pissed off, angry, fired up, and ready to win for Big Z. And what have they done? They lost the Stanley Cup final last year, and they are not going to let it happen again. They are on a mission. And it's quiet outside of Boston when people talk about Boston, because

it's, ah, it's just the old story. Oh, the Bruins are good. What are we going to say? Guys, the Boston Bruins are going to be steamrollers in the playoffs. It's going to be unbelievable to watch. I don't care what team you cheer for, you've got to watch whatever series Boston is playing, because it is going to be crazy.

I do want the Leafs to play Boston. Like, I don't think any story is complete without beating them. Or, it's not as perfect as it could be without beating them. But I am sort of looking at them this year like, eh, Carolina, you take them first. And throw a lot of hits.

Who knows? Maybe they beat them. I don't know. And speaking of Vezina, Tugaras is probably going to win that award. Probably. I think he leads the league in wins with 24. He's 24-7-6. 9-28 save percentage.

Four shutouts. And it's him and Hellebuck, and he's played roughly as much. 38 games. And they're better numbers. They're 25 points ahead. And they're going to make the playoffs. and win the President's Trophy. People keep saying, man,

leave that trade alone. It's so far in the past. It is a decade and a half later and it's still getting worse. That guy's going to win a Vezina Trophy. He has one, doesn't he? And Andrew Raycroft is back working in Boston. Andrew Raycroft is on TV in Boston

going, look how great Tukorowski is. And we're here without a playoff win since 2004 like a bunch of schmucks. No offense to Andrew Raycroft, it's not his fault. We haven't won a playoff series since the year before Tuca Rask was drafted by the Leafs. And guess who made that trade, where he's working. Where is it, Steve? Boston!

What's his name? John Ferguson Jr. What's he do? Make me sick. No, but what's his title? Oh, AGM, I think. Okay, there you go. Guys, you saw the Bobby Ryan hat trick game on Friday.

Beautiful. Wanted to know your thoughts. Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. He made his comeback game. Like 90 days, or no, sorry, 100 days? 100 on the button. And that was on the road, I believe, and then he gets a hat trick in Ottawa on his return.

Perfect. Awesome. Like, it's, you know, that's a big thing. That's a really hard thing. That is an on and off the ice thing to go totally sober like that. Got a lot of admiration for that because you could just as easily pack it in. Or I won't get sober. Yeah.

I mean, some guys in Bobby Ryan's position never hit the ice again. Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. He took the necessary steps. You can go, yeah, fuck you. I make all this money. Just pay me my, you know, give me my checks and get out of my face.

He wanted to play hockey. Well, and the thing I love is that there have been a lot of little wins for the Senators this year. The first little win is that Eugene Melnick has not spoken to the media. Yes. And you notice how the mood around Senators and their fans has gone up since he stayed away from cameras? A ton of optimism. It's crazy. And they're having a great rebuilding year.

They are. As a fan base, I mean. They're rebuilding the connection. They know that the team's not great. We love our younger players. We love watching the Leafs lose. We love watching the Sharks lose. And now, introduced to that, they love watching the Islanders lose.

Yeah. Because they got that pick. If you're a Sens fan, you've got to have two remotes. You've got to be clicking between all these games. Because you're like, I want the Penguins really screwed the Sens last night. Losing 5-0 to the Sharks, oh my god. No, it's not a bad time to be a Sens fan. You've got to assume the only direction is up.

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And I think wins like that, first off for Bobby Ryan himself, is, it's so important. You know, you get the I think for sure when you're coming back and he's a you know, career, made a career out of

being a goal scorer and hasn't scored a lot for the last few years and has had a ton of criticism leveled at him and was almost a part of the Eric Carlson deal just so they could get out from under his contract. Like, imagine what that does to your ego, right? You're the the cap dump. We're trying

to trade our best player so we can get rid of you as well. because your contract is so obtrusive to our team. And that's the part where it's like you have to overcome all of that. And I don't think you can really understand what it's like to take criticism from thousands of anonymous people until you've done it. And I don't say that knowing that either.

I take it from a few hundred. We're not quite on Bobby Ryan level. No. An entire team printed in a newspaper, that's a whole different level. And I know sometimes we all have struggled with it in the past. And so you can only imagine what it would be like on that scale. Where there's so much more on the line.

No one's interviewing me after every LFR gone, so you fucked up that edit. Yeah, right? You forgot to... Nick Robertson. You cut that off really quick. Oh, you left that one too long. You left a breath in. What's wrong with you?

Exactly. Yeah. What do you got to do to get it back? Yeah, like, oh, what a... Oh, tough question. Does this team need to go out and get the newest edition of iMovie? Can this team, you know, you're stuck at, you know, 40K views. Have you considered getting an actual stand for your camera instead of a stack of old textbooks, Steve?

You know. We tried that once. It's something we've considered as a team. I tried once. I split my pants in the store and walked out very embarrassed, you know. But, you know, I think we're on an upturn here with the Steve Dangle YouTube channel. Oh, okay, yeah, you had the one hot video, but, like, you'll never be Nasher. Well, you know, Nasher's a good guy.

It's tough. Yeah, what do you got to do? I'm the young whippersnapper trying to get up onto Mount Rushmore there. Maybe you're right. Did you have this conversation just to convince me to be a better person? No, I'm just saying. Bobby Ryan deserves all the applause, all the chants, and he did it for his family, he did it for himself, but to see him come back and score three goals, one goal would

have been great. Well, and with a young rebuilding team, now he can actually be a positive part of it. Right. Not this, oh, we've got to get rid of this guy. Now, hey, we've got to keep this guy. He can be a leader, just like Mark Boryetsky's been with the team. He can be great. Right.

Now he can do it on the ice, too. Right. Montreal, big winner last night from Jeff Petrie. I'm not sure if you saw that in overtime. What an unbelievable overtime. Barely, yes. Oh, so good. I'm telling you, Jeff Petrie should have moved at the deadline.

They could have got lots for him. The Canes are 0-2-1 since David Ayers. Unbelievable, eh? Also forgetting, they don't have either goalie. We sort of forgot that. I guess they should have called David Ayers. Delkovich is supposed to be pretty good. Yeah, that's a tough one for Carolina.

Do they have Pesci? Or is he out too? I don't know. I don't actually have that on hand. I believe he's going to be out for a bit. There's a few teams that are on weird streaks. Like Philadelphia's won seven in a row. Yeah.

St. Louis has won, I think, seven as well. After kind of not having a very good stretch. Pittsburgh lost six in a row. Oh, St. Louis won a bunch of leagues. Yeah, that was the last one. The streak started with getting shut out. Wait, guys, are you telling me Pittsburgh won a bunch of games after not playing particularly well?

Never seen that before. Pittsburgh's dealing with injuries too, though. And they still have 80 points. Like, they're doing great. I wonder... They need like eight more wins. Yeah. And Nashville's creeping in there too.

Yep, they're on a hot streak too after I talked about how garbage they are. And that's another team. Again, we talk about the teams where it's confusing as to why they suck Yeah Nashville, chief among them They might have a more expensive 1-4 center situation than the Leafs do They got Duchesne making 8 They got Johansson making a little over 8

They got Turris making 6.5 or something like that Yeah No, where's Bonino now? Is he there too? Yeah, Nicholas Bonino And that guy makes, like, $4 million. That's a lot. A lot of money.

Or Craig Smith. It's not least expensive, but it's pretty expensive. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. But, no, they should be winning. And what's weird is I look at their lineup card, and, like, Phillip Forsberg's lining up on the fourth line sometimes. Yeah, because, like, they seem to be paying, I don't want to say the wrong guys,

but you don't look at any of those guys and be like, all right, that's a number one forward on any team in the league. Like, at least with the Leafs, or most of the guys around the league, when they're making those kinds of numbers, you're like, okay, he's number one forward on any team. But these guys, I'm like, is Ryan Johansson starting on many teams? I think they took a bet on him. I think they bet on him.

They had a good playoff until they got injured. Remember the year they went to the finals? But then they also bet on Matt Duchesne. And then Matt Duchesne looks like he's a number two center on a Stanley Cup winning team. I think with Matt Duchesne, though, it was like, how many teams have to bet on Matt Duchesne? And it's not that Matt Duchesne is a bad hockey player It's just that he's not the number one center

He's a very good number two They remind me a little bit of Calgary Where I'm like, Sean Monaghan is great Is he number one? Well, he is in Calgary Is he on a cup winning team? Maybe Maybe

Maybe Depends on the pieces around him Is Duchesne good? Yes Eight million bucks Yeah, maybe Number one On a cup winning squad

Don't know Don't know And then you look at Vegas And you go They had William Carlson But he put up 41 goals Out of nowhere Right

But he did it Yeah but he did it Went to the cup Do you guys remember I don't know if you remember this Justin Bourne And I think it was just after He joined the Athletic

And Vegas was just taken off And he said Man whoever let Columbus Whoever let Columbus expose William Carlson and also not give William Carlson a chance in Columbus

needs to be fired and the guy who did it tweeted him and he said well it's not that easy and then deleted his account he deleted his account

after that I don't know what his name was but I remember seeing that and I was like that's funny you know because hockey people follow Justin Boer

right he's a former coach and player and all that stuff right so there's like real hockey people Oh, he's working for an NHL team, like, probably less than a year before he wrote that.

I mean, but is he, like, ooh, that's a big mistake, man. Again, you, okay, you deleted that app. But do you got Google Maps? You go in there, and you find me the lie. You GPS that shit, let me know. You were in Windsor this weekend, right? Waterloo. Waterloo.

Any stories? uh i got to sign a uh zamboni book and an actual lego zamboni okay that was a topic of conversation oh man what did people say what was the what was the reaction most people like when most people come up to you they've got something prepared it's funny when you sit next to steve at these things you know that there's people that have been standing in line and it's amazing that anybody will come and stand in line it's amazing i'm consistently weirded out by it and you can tell that it's something that they've wanted to yell back at the video when they've watched it yes Sorry, weirded out by it, as in, like, I can't believe this is happening to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I don't think anybody thinks it's a bad thing. No, no, it's the best. It's awesome. But. It's, no, it's just, well, most people are just, like, so, like, you still got a voice? Like, are you good? Like, are you okay?

Like, I don't know if, like, last episode, I was, like, last podcast, I was battling, because I, like, legit, I think I pulled my tongue. Like, I hurt my, like, a tongue muscle. Wouldn't surprise me. No, most people, they were awesome. And it was cool going there, like, sort of during the school year still. Because there were people from all over. Some guys were like, I'm from Pembroke.

I'm like, that's six hours away. He's like, yeah. You know, because he goes to school there. It was a really good time. And Belleville was great, too. Belleville was a huge showing. It's a great town. It's a great Vegas, baby.

Yeah. I went there the weekend before. So here's how I walked into Belleville. So walk in there I don't know the Belleville Mall The Quinte Mall, I don't know it So I'm walking around and I'm trying to find the chapters

Or Indigo, I'm trying to find it Where is it? Oh, there's a crowd of people Oh, there's a really long line Wow! That's pretty great Put that little feather in my cap And I'm walking down the line I'm like, I wonder if anyone's gonna

See that I'm here Or whatever, locked eyes with a couple people gave him a friendly nod, kept walking and I'm like, I can't believe the end of this line, this is hundreds of people who were there to see Paw Patrol

at the Quincy Mall. What was Paw Patrol doing at the Quincy Mall? Not signing books That is amazing Could the amount of toddlers not thrown you and been like, oh yeah and then I'm walking back, I'm doing this and no one knows that I'm doing my own personal walk of shame

as i go back down the line but i'm like oh yeah it's it's the world of strollers it's it's every three-year-old in belleville is that this paw patrol signing wow and then yeah so i had to walk around to where the actual bookstore was listen the turnout was great signed books the whole time but i had nothing on paw patrol you're not paw patrol yeah i am absolutely not paw patrol That was a nice little, hey, your ego's at, let me just squash that down there. So next week, next weekend is Peterborough. I'm going to be at the Peterborough Pizza Game. Okay, cool.

Pre-game and first intermission. And we're getting close to an announcement, too. But we're not going to say yet, but we're getting close. Probably later this week. Good times. Great times. By all. All right, and I think, I mean, that's all I got to cover for this show.

Want to do some press conference? I don't have any questions well that's bad might that hurt us Steve first question what's on your mind what's on my mind yeah

oh boy tough question it's like Facebook from 2000 Steve Dangle is okay you know the mean thing okay so Mrs. Dangle always does this

Whenever, like if she's talking to me And I'm clearly not paying attention She just starts going She's a bully So does that play in your head When nothing's going on It's like you're back Yeah, that's just me, that's my head at all times

No, that's actually the soundtrack for Red Dead People don't realize They're trying to have a Nice conversation Stand unshaken Wow That's me. Oh my god. That's me. I'm just thinking a sad country song by D'Angelo. Holy smokes. Wow. I don't know what is on my mind.

Can't wait for it to get hot. You know what I miss about the summer? Just being able to leave the freaking house. Yeah. It's such a to-do to leave the house right now. Oh, I forgot poop bags. There's other worse than getting a few houses down and you go, I forgot poop bags. That's not a problem for everybody though, because they just let their dog shit and they bury it in the snow. No, not me. I have integrity. Those are bad people. Shitty people.

Yeah, you see? Because dog butt. The other thing is with a baby, you have to dress them up in a whole bunch of stuff on top of the other thing. And babies, I don't know if you know this, squirm a lot. How long does it take you to leave the house? Oh, I started showing up to things on time because I have to back time things properly now. There you go. It's crazy.

My friend Zach and Emily, they're like, they are never on time for anything. And that's why we get along so well, partially. is that we both show up late and it's okay. There you go. But the thing is is that they start whenever they're in town

they're like we'll say we'll meet at 10.30 and I know that means 10.45 but I'll still be there at 10.30 because I ended up there early because it takes me 15, 20 minutes to get Everly ready to go. Because it's like

you're packing a caravan heading to California. Yes. Like what if I don't have this thing? She could die. What if I don't have this book? She could die.

Wow. Wow. You know and now they're like well we don't even feel like we don't even know you anymore, because now you're 15 minutes early to everything. What do you do with those 15 minutes?

Just hang out on... Simply raise your kid? Like a psycho? Engage them, I guess. Oh, weird. But yeah, it's far less of a pain in the summertime, and I'm looking forward to that as well. That's a good point. Jesse, what's on your mind? What's on my mind is the second question from GoodCanadianBoyBot97.

GoodCanadianBot97 on Reddit writes, Who's your pick for the Hart Trophy? you take a second you can think about it the you know okay well there's the obvious two which is mcdavid and dry saddle which then becomes funny because well wait a minute they play together i know mcdavid was out but that was like what was that two weeks right come on now um it's probably it's probably still mcdavid for me i know dry saddle is unbelievable dude i know he needed a leap year to do it but that guy had a hundred points before the end of february that's stupid

does it matter that he has i think it's 13 more points than mcdavid right now it's a little hard to give it to mcdavid if he was outscored right right by double digits yeah like that's that's a tough one uh can you look up nathan mckinnon's point total and how close, the second closest Av is to him. There's a real good argument, even if McDavid, Drysaddle both end up with like

125 points each. Nathan McKinnon has 85 points. Kael McCarr? He's second? 47. Whoa! Wow. Who's the next highest scoring forward on the Avs? Because they've had all those

injuries, right? Burakovsky. Yeah, Burakovsky is at 45. And he has 85? Yes. Randon was on a point per game pace, but he's had two bad injuries this year. So Nathan McKinnon is 40 points up on the next closest forward on his team? 30. 30.

No, no, 45. 85, 45. Yeah. Seems right. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. He's separated by Burakovsky by nearly the amount of points that Burakovsky has.

Yeah. And he may double the next closest forward by the end of the season. So, do you lean with McKinnon? Do you go dry side? Or do you go with McDavid? Do you go with Tuka Rask? I only bring that up to jab you. There's an argument.

No. Kind of. There's an argument. Best goalie on the President's Trophy winning team, yeah? Why not? Connor Hellebuck is the answer. I don't know if that's true. I'm not kidding.

Connor Hellebuck's the answer. Well, if we're going by the actual definition of the trophy, most valuable. I go back to Jesse Spector voting for James Reimer in 2013. He was, damn it. He was. I also think Connor Hellevuck's been phenomenal. Nathan McKinnon always scores that much. Yeah, but you can't diminish it, a guy's performance, just because he does it often.

Doesn't that make it better? I guess. Well, whatever, Nathan. You do you. Boy, that's tough. Because there's the two-headed monster in Edmonton Uh-huh I'm going to give it to McKinnon just to be difficult

I'm going to give it to McKinnon just because Oh, Edmonton's going to go back to hitting you Well, dude The dry sidle Oh, he's got to do it without McDavid Two weeks All right McKinnon's been dealing with that for most of the season

Okay, you have Rantanen Out Landeskog Out Don't worry, we'll pull up Naz and throw him out Yeah It just keeps happening The only guy who stays in is him.

You know what's crazy? He had all of those guys for over 40 games this year. Connor Hellebuck's not had any defense. Adam, I understand the point you're trying to make. Guys, Connor Hellebuck, MVP. So you're right for the PHWA. No. He hasn't done enough for the team.

They haven't won enough. They are. Right there. They haven't won enough, though. Guys. So you're going to give the Hart Trophy to a guy who doesn't make the playoffs? Yes. I would have done it two years ago with McDavid.

Sorry, Taylor Hall, but McDavid, that was McDavid's year again. Yeah, this is the same. This is the same. This would be the same if he had a 950. Yeah. Get out. Stop it. The team hasn't won enough. Like, they're 20th in the overall standings.

And they're tops among man games lost to injury. Yeah, that's pretty wild. Guys, come on. Are you counting Bufflin in that? You should. They were going in expecting him to play. That's fair. They would have gone out and replaced him.

That was the problem. It's just, out of the 20th place team, they're goalie. I'm not. It doesn't excite me. It doesn't excite me for MVP. I'm going to get really upset. There should be two awards, and this will settle us all. The Heart and the Island Award, where you're just alone on an island.

The Island Award. If it's most valuable player to his team, Connor Helbuck is the Jets. Why are we diminishing guys who play on good teams? Like, why are we not giving them more credit? It's why do we diminish coaches who coach good teams? Andre Pallott. Why do we? Sometimes.

Sometimes we, the awards award the guy who's the best coach on the best team, you know? Do you think Bruce Cassidy's going to win the Jack this year? Possibly. Why not? You showed me a good career. It always goes to the, woohoo, I can't believe you guys are here, coach. Paul Maurice might get it. They make playoffs.

If Pasternak goes 55-55, I'd probably give him my heart trophy. He's at 47-44 right now. He's at 91 points. And then you look at him and you go, he's on arguably the best line in hockey. Right, but then... But should he be punished for that? Do we discredit him because he plays on a good team? It's true.

I don't know. It's like we look at the best and we go, ah, ah, ah. Ah, you're... We brush those to the side. Right. It's interesting. It depends on how you define the award. Is it most valuable?

Is it best performance? Who knows? That's a tough one. It's also tough when you have built-in best original screenplay awards, like the Rocket. Right. Which, that's kind of what it is. And if you win the Rocket, you go, hey, he doesn't have to win the Heart because he won the Rocket. And this guy won the Selkie, and this guy won the Vezna, and this guy won the Norris, and this guy won the Calder.

And then you're left with Nathan McKinnon. And then you also have the writer's MVP, and then you have the player's MVP. Which sometimes don't line up Well, yeah Like the year The year McDavid and Hall McDavid won the players MVP And Hall won the

Writers The writers MVP Here's an interesting one Which is the heart Could McDavid Or not McDavid Could McKinnon possibly win the heart Because McDavid and Drysaddle

Split their own vote Yeah, that's possible Yeah That's very possible Could Yeah I also I think Pasternak's gonna be in that

Top three He's gotta be You're probably right And if he's not That's criminal Yeah If he's not That's criminal

Like it's crazy to think he's got the he's got that that touch of death this year yeah he's he's been real good

you think Pasternak embarrassed the Leafs in the playoffs before if they if they meet this year scary dude he's on pace for 55 goals

and he slowed down I remember he was a goal a game for like 30 games yep yep what was the quote about him playing

just for the love of it not for the money because he makes 6 million dollars oh he clearly loves the game he's a blue collar guy yeah

Just want a story. It is a great story. He did grow up on a farm, like blue collar. That's great. Make six million bucks now. Shut up. As we said at the time, you lose your right to say, I do it for the love of it only. When you make six million dollars doing it.

What's the money for? Yeah. You give it back. It's better for the team if you give that money. If you love it so much, why don't you just give it back to the team so they can spend it on someone else? Make your team better. You can't get by on 700 grand getting an accountant.

Yeah, right. What's wrong with you? Exactly. Getting an accountant. Love of the game. And by the way, he deserves every penny. I'm just saying. Oh, he deserves more than every penny.

He deserves near double. Yeah. Yeah. But them's the breaks. Get a better agent. Or just... Get an agent who loves the game less. Or be happy you make it six million bucks a year, man.

Whatever. I don't care how much you love the game. Make sure your agent hates it. And once you're going to get paid for it, Dan. Yeah. Come on, man. Any other questions, Jesse? No, we're good.

All right. Well, listen. That's it for us until Wednesday this week when we believe we will have another announcement for you, which we're very excited about. In the meantime, we hope that you keep well. I don't. Oh, no. No, prosper.

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