The Steve Dangle Podcast - Marveleau | November 2, 2017

Episode Date: November 2, 2017

On this episode, Steve wants to start (00:00), Adam fell asleep during the third period (04:00), do you like the Team Canada jerseys (10:00), the Edmonton Oilers lost again (18:00), Jim Rutherford hated the offside challenge penalty (34:00), Leafs beat the Ducks (38:00), Is Marleau clutch? (48:00), the Leafs D (57:00), the Cleveland Browns (1:05:00), and the press conference (1:11:00). Originally aired: November 2, 2017 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/34tcrD6rHYM Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.D.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Did you want to start? Oh, yes. Hey. Hey. I got something that we talked about last show and then I saw it on Twitter right before we began And I think it's funny

Remember how I was talking about Rangers shouldn't be that bad They got Brendan Smith He's pretty new From Detroit at the trade deadline last year Detroit Do you have any friends that call it Detroit No because I don't think that's how you're supposed to pronounce it

Oh it's for sure not but I knew a bunch of people who called it Detroit Joe Bowen The Leafs to defeat the Detroit Red Wings Detroit Anyway Brett Kurgalus? Kurgalus.

Can you tell us what outlet he works for? Brett? No, I can't. Smith. Let me see. Sports writer at the New York Post. There you go. He says,

Brendan Smith on the ice for NYR extras skate. It means he's likely a healthy scratch tonight. Wow. McDonough skating after yesterday's maintenance day. Brendan Smith, by the way, just started a four-year, $4.35 million contract. Remember the Leafs were apparently needing to get him,

Had to get him Oh, they had to get everybody They had to get everybody Do you play defense and are right-handed? I don't, we don't even care if you're good Hence the signing of Roman Polak Um, Glenn Denning, I heard too, had a rough night The last time he played, so

Vino's getting fired It's not his fault! I know, but he's getting fired Couple things I want to start with First off, shoutouts to the Astros and the Dodgers For an absolute classic of a World Series Yes Wow, amazing

it might be maybe top 3 top 5 ever yeah I can't most home runs ever yep and most extra base hits

ever by a team the Houston Astros number 3 the 1992 Toronto Blue Jays over the course of a series had 24 I think Houston had 30 extra base hits

in the win series that's crazy now and everybody blames you Darvish but man it would have been nice if the Dodgers scored some runs wouldn't it

it absolutely would have it would have been nice if as one commenter pointed out AAA Jesse Blake was right in his prediction that the Dodgers would win easily.

Yeah, yeah. Triple A Jesse Blake. What do you know? I was incorrect, and I'm very disappointed. This is the first time. How does it feel? Like, I know you've never been wrong, ever. It feels great.

It feels good. All my life, I've wanted to be Steve Dangle. There it is. That's how he does it. That's how he does it. And today, being wrong, I feel like Steve. And I'm like, wow, this is great. Yeah.

I have two great dogs and an awesome wife, and I'm wrong. All this hot At least you called my wife awesome I mean at least At least that much is nice At least that much is nice We finished Stranger Things yesterday It was great

It is great It's cozy And did you finish it Before the Leafs game? We did We watched three episodes Before the Leafs game Before we get into the Leafs game

I just want to say That I've noticed something About myself You said Steve you always say Something about 26 Tell people what you say About the age of 26

Oh The age of 26 Is your last Well at least my experience was 26 was my last immortal year. Yes, I agree with this. Cast iron liver

can drink, can party can go to work the next day feel okay. Metabolism just amazing eat whatever you want, have a pizza with icing instead of tomato sauce. At 3am. Cream cheese icing and you're fine

I think I just invented a really interesting idea for dessert pizza. Please go home and make that. Yes And then 27 hits And you're like, hmm I notice all these things are taking longer to recover And the food is sticking And everything

Everything's starting to suck And then you get to 29 and you're like Oh, this is the trend The trend is Life is getting poorer More poor I'll tell you, life gets better after 26 Your body just isn't

Immortal anymore yeah life definitely gets better after 20 I mean at least mine has it's been way better it's been the best why do you ask Adam

well the reason I say that is the Toronto Maple Leafs started their game at about 10.30 last night 10 was it 10 last night it was 10.30 the other night

yes and I stayed up for the first two periods and I was watching away I was watching just watching watching

and then at about I guess like I remember I think it was Darren Millard threw to break and we were going to

come back with the Leafs in the third period and that's the last thing I remember and this has happened now two games in a row the LA game and the San Jose game the Anaheim and the San Jose game I've fallen asleep in the second thing

and that's right around midnight and I'm feeling and I'm finding this socially as well, I'm finding it very hard to stay up past midnight these days I'm finding it very hard to take your bullshit seriously right now Adam, that's what I'm having trouble with you're blaming this on age and getting older

you hear this guy he's blaming it on age and getting older how about you're a bad Leafs fan because you've fallen asleep for two straight games now I thought it was just the one

two two straight games and you're a terrible Rogers employee because you're saying Darren Millar put you to sleep how could you what is the matter with you

well Carolyn Cameron woke me up at 3 o'clock to say the Leafs won so that was good but yeah her and Carly Iagro were on Sportsnet

and I was like so she happened to be on the TV when you woke up yes at 3 o'clock But all I remember is, yeah, at least win. And then I was like, okay, I better go to bed now.

This is where I'm at. Did no one turn off your TV? Well, no, because I was asleep on the couch, right? We have one TV. Adam, you need to hire someone to carry you when you fall asleep to your bed. That's true. As an extraordinarily rich person. Exactly.

Why is that not something you have invested in at this point? I've got many hundies. I'm sure I could spare a few hundies for that. Someone said you're pissing them. You should just have large men carry you like a baby Like in that Chappelle skit Where he's peedity Just carries him away

Picks up the entire sofa What is it where you ask them to get like breast milk Or something in there I need you to get breast milk from a Cambodian immigrant We watched that episode together We did That was one of my favorite sketches ever You know what's terrifying Steve

It's 100% Cambodian On Kiss on kiss the other day i was doing this guess that famous ghost and my third hint for what yeah i was just like yeah here i mean i'm thinking of a famous ghost here's a hint who is this famous ghost so the ghost that i was thinking of at that particular time was prince okay and my third hint was going to be he was famously portrayed by dave chappelle in a a skit with Charlie Murphy

on the Chappelle show and the woman who won got the first two hints but she's like well if you'd given me that hint I would have not known what you're talking about

she's like it would have thrown me off and I said there's a generation gap and I don't think anybody older than like 40 grew up with the Chappelle show

which is a shame I think they're missing out oh my god they're 100% missing out especially season 1 season 2 what it was the last

like cult hit right or could you even call it a cult hit Stranger Things is a cult hit Was is now the big it's the mainstream now bruh okay what am I looking for because it went out prematurely

only because Dave Chappelle wanted out yeah but what other shows went out way too early and on top I mean some people argue Seinfeld that didn't end too early though I mean

it could have kept going Nine? Nine or ten. I see what you're saying, Steve. Right as the Dave Chappelle show was cresting, it finally reached the top, then they're gone. Seinfeld had been at the top. Simpsons' golden age was like what? It started like season two, season three?

That's when Chappelle was like, and we're done. We're done here. That reminds me of something else I wanted to bring up today. Cool. Do you want to bring it up now? I mean, we talked enough hockey yesterday. Can I bring it up right now? Sure, whatever, man.

Adam had a poor hot take yesterday. I had a poor hot take? On the show? On Twitter After the show What else did Adam fuck up today? Let's talk about it Pre-show, Steve and I

Were talking about the jerseys That were unveiled That's right, we gotta bring that up To make people upset And Adam hopped on Twitter and said These jerseys are terrible No, what I said was they look like they were Colored by a kid in a crayon

Which is, these jerseys are terrible And Steve and I talked about how These jerseys are terrible Is a poor hot take I don't like them I thought you said you liked them The Canada jerseys? Yeah

No They're nice You don't like them eh? Okay I think Jesse and I Are the only two people on earth Who like them I don't think they're very good guys I think it's like

It's so like Pizazz Like it's just It's so It's so cheap looking Okay It's so cheap looking And the American jerseys

Are the same I'm sure you've all seen them by now If you haven't Pull up a picture Google And if you're driving and this is worth pulling over for.

Don't do that. What is here? I'm going to bring Definitely pull over. Don't look it up while you're driving. They look good on a person.

They don't look good in the still images. They kind of look cheap in those but when they're on the player they look decent. You know what they

look like to me? They look like the mask where the my name is Cuban Pete. I'm the king of the Rumba Beach. It's that sort of like When I play my maracas

I go chick chicky boom chick chicky boom. okay here they are on people on actual people what is wrong what's wrong with them tell me explain what's not what i don't get what the problem is i'm not into it man i what is the problem okay you're not into it explain to me here's what the thing i think okay when it comes to hockey and it comes to canada this is our one thing to get sanctimonious about right it's our one thing that we have where we can go okay here's a classic and where canada i think misses the boat And I know they do this for reasons that are, let's sell as many jerseys as humanly effing possible.

I went to a Nike jersey release last year at the same time. They can come out with a jersey every year and sell them. But make them good. And I thought, I don't know, what's wrong with this one? I think the thing is that, I think what bugs me at my core, and I didn't like the last, I didn't like the 2014 jerseys either. Oh, the Sochi ones? Yeah. Yeah, no, I wasn't a big fan.

Um, I think my problem is that these jerseys are so disposable looking and these will not age. Well, these won't look good. I don't think 20 years from now. And that's, to me, it's the Olympics. It's the Olympics. You should have, it should be like the New York Yankees have never changed their logo. If the Blue Jays had just left their damn logo the same when Rogers took over, uh, and

they didn't change to the scary, the terrifying, menacing black Blue Jays. Yeah. Um. It's going to peck the ball. Peck your eyes out. Yeah. Don't face us. So you don't want them to change the jerseys at all?

I want them to find a classic. And if you want to build on a classic, I get it. Because the Leafs have changed their jerseys, but they still came back to a classic look that is modern. They went back, but they went to a classic look that's modern. They modernized it. I really wish that it wasn't this enormous, insane change from jersey to jersey to jersey. I feel like World Cup, Olympics, whatever other, you know, U18, whatever, they should all be wearing the Team Canada jersey. And it should all be uniform.

It should all look the same. And it should look regal and proud rather than, hey, this looks like it was made in an H&M. Like, literally, I feel like I can buy three for $5 at H&M. Jesse, what do you like about them? First of all, I don't think Adam knows how business works. Wow. I acknowledged how business works. As a man who has many

hundies, you sure don't know how to make more hundies. I can't wait for all the tweets about how I don't know how business works. I can't wait. Adam, you know I love your hockey talk. But! Do you not understand

capitalism? I'm a big fan of the red one. The red with the silver leaf. That's probably the best one. Yeah, and I like what they did with the leaf. They switched it up. It's not just the maple leaf there.

They kind of tried to modernize it. Modernize? Modernize. Next time, just let them try. Sometimes it's fun to just let people twist in the wind. It's where your tongue just goes on strike. Modernize to tie. Modernize.

They modernize to monetize. There you go. And I like the sleeves. I like what they did with the sleeves. I think that's where it lost most people. I think it looks weird on the white. That's why I like the red one. And then the American jerseys did the same thing, and it looks weird on the white ones, the same thing as the Americans.

But the darker ones, it looks great because it matches the colors. So I think if you took out the white ones, it'd be a great jersey. I think you might have nailed it. Now, okay, looking at this jersey, and this is not good if you haven't seen it, but whatever. If it's just a plain arm with, like, a stripe at the elbow, is it better? Do you think more people like it? I think it's too plain, then. I think because you're going to try and come out with a jersey every year,

and you're going to try and sell it. Which I think is so dumb. One for the World Championship, one for World Juniors, one for the Olympics. I know. And I know they have to. Well, no, they don't have to. Here's the thing. You've got to switch it up.

Man, here's the thing. I would love to look at the numbers, because obviously there is numbers to back this up. If having just one jersey sold, the same as having multiple, then they would just do the one jersey because it's a hell of a lot cheaper not to develop a new jersey, right? That's true, yeah. So I wonder what the numbers are. Yeah, we got an action shot here with equipment on and everything. Looks pretty sweet. Jesse sat up like, see, it's even better, and I'm like, I don't know how I feel.

No? You know what? It looks wicked. but as a Team Canada jersey, I'm not sure. I feel like this would be a really good NHL jersey. I don't think it is. I think it's a great EASHL team. That's what they look like to me.

It's like you're the Cornwall Thunder Leaves. Silver Leaf. Silver something. If Carnage from the Spider-Man universe was a hockey player, he would wear the red jersey. That would be Canada's hockey jersey in D2 At the tournament When Canada doesn't even get a shout out But Iceland

I actually think this would be Trinidad's Oh Interesting Adam, you should finish your point Well, I'm not really sure where I was But I think the point is The point is I'm not a huge fan And that doesn't mean

You're in the majority You were saying about if it made sense To keep the same jersey If it made sense to keep the same jerseys They'd keep the same jerseys And I feel like if you built a great template for a jersey and just built on it slowly and modernized it in small little ways each time, you might entice people. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know the garment industry.

What the hell do I know? And that's what this is about. It's the garment industry. Sell as many jerseys as you can. So anyway, I digress. My point is I don't particularly like them. I look forward to your hate tweets. Listen, if you are in the majority, if you Twitter's position is, hey, new thing.

let's hate it if you like these jerseys if you like these jerseys and I don't want to be like Twitter because Twitter hates everything but I if you like these jerseys don't take it as a personal affront that I don't right I think that's what that's what gets

me is when I have when we discuss an opinion like this that is so subjective and there's literally no rhyme or reason there's no proof put it this way if you're mad at Adam regarding this don't let his face be the face of people who hate this jersey yeah Adam is

I'm just a guy 20,000 people late I think if you hate the jersey You hate Canada You know what I mean I personally think Adam is unpatriotic No it's not that I hate Canada It's that I hate the vets

Wow Why do you hate the troops Adam? Why do you hate the troops? That was a joke please Where is your papi Adam? It's actually on my other coat I do on your other coat so we're about like 15 minutes in I think if somebody wants to clip that Please don't encourage that it's on his mother coat that he bought with his rich elitist Hollywood

money Yeah, how dare you Adam actually rides a bald eagle to work every day? Yeah, and then kills it because he doesn't care No, I love it like America either Who do I like? The Montreal Canadiens Adam is potentially a separatist Oh, no, 100%

Potentially Adam voted in that election I voted Montreal Is what I said I said, vive la separation Or whatever it was Is that whatever it was? I think it might have been

I remember John John Charest No, John Charest was against it I don't remember All the referendum stuff I remember being super young And very confused and not understanding what was going on.

Same with the OJ trial. I was like, this guy's on my TV every day. He must be important. Hey, let's talk hockey, shall we? Now that we've made all the bad jokes. It's November 2nd. And the last and the three worst teams in the NHL are

Oh. Number 28, the Montreal Canadiens with a negative 14 goal differential. Oh, you're just doing goal differential. Number 29. Are these the standings or goal differential? These are the standings. Oh, okay.

These are just standings. Oh, shit. I believe. I'm going to look these up again. Oh, cool. This will take 20 minutes and friggin' NHL bullshit. This crappy garbage website

for garbage people. We've got this great website called sportsnet.ca. Sorry, I'm wrong. As always. Piece of crap. It's November the 2nd and the worst teams in the NHL

are currently the Buffalo Savers. Amazing. At 30, the Edmonton Oilers. and at 31, the Arizona Coyotes. The Eastern Conference is the one I had, which, well, it's not the Eastern Conference,

but the goal differentials here are amazing. Negative 14 for Montreal, negative 15 for Buffalo, and negative 12 for Edmonton. So let's talk about the Edmonton Oilers, because that's the Mick Crosby Show Part 2 happened for the second time in two weeks. Hey, you know how we were talking about botched rebuilds the other day? Mm-hmm.

Can you read the bottom three teams in the league to me again? Sorry, bottom three teams in the league. That's so rude. In the NHL overall points, we're talking Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona. Would you like to hear the bottom three teams in 2014-15? Sure. In order, Edmonton 28th, Arizona 29th, Buffalo 30th. That's funny.

The more things change, the more those three teams fuck everything up. Who's number one? Who's number one? Yeah. Who's the best team? Just scroll up. Oh, it was the New York Rangers. You know, number one.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about futility here. And you're randomly like, who's the best? Hey, number two is Montreal. I didn't think that would be so difficult. I didn't get it. Sometimes English goes in and gets lost. Does not come out. It's like the upside down.

Modernize that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So anyway. Yes, Adam? So I just, I wanted to start with, as I just stab all the momentum in the neck. The McCrosby matchup, part two.

How did it go? Well, Edmonton lost. Sure did. But they held, they were leading until the last play of the second period. Oh, moral victories are good. Crosby, sorry, McDavid almost scored. And the puck skirts around, there's 27 seconds left and you're thinking, oh my gosh, Edmonton can stop this. It's okay, it's the end of the period.

nope Sidney Crosby sets up a goal and it's in and then third period just to say sorry kid

it's still me third period Ryan Nugent Hopkins takes a interference penalty Phil and Gino hook up Gino puts it home

Selly win did I mention that my wife dropped Cam Talbot for Andre Vasilevsky cause I'm gonna go with that was a

pretty great move it was a good choice for sure a little bit Frank Corrado also played That's great. He was on a winning NHL team. He was last year, too.

He just wasn't participating. I think he played two games. I don't think they won either of them. Oh, no. I thought you meant winning overall. No, no. At least only won 40 games last year, so that means they lost 42. They won less than half.

Yeah, so you're right. They were losing teams. But, okay, let's talk about Edmonton and Pittsburgh here for a second because an Edmonton-Pittsburgh matchup a month ago, we would have thought Battle of the Titans. Potentially a Stanley Cup. This is potentially a preview for the Stanley Cup. A lot of people were raging that it was on Sportsnet 360,

but last night was just one of those nights. Game 7 of the World Series, Crosby-McDavid. Are they really upset about that? It's on Sportsnet 360 and on Sportsnet 1, and that makes me mad. Well, not everyone has those channels. Ah, but if you had Sportsnet now, you would. Wow.

Roger, roger, roger, roger. I'm just saying. You know, I think it's interesting that even when Edmonton looks good, they still haven't been able to pull it out. And they seemed—I don't know if you saw Patrick Maroon's comments post-game. No. But they were like, you know, like, he scored a goal, and he's like, yeah, I scored, it felt good. But, boy, this is not acceptable. We still didn't win.

And I contrast that with Andreas Borgman. Andreas Borgman scored his first NHL goal yes, did he know that at the time? Kadri told him right away on the ice he said it's your goal originally it was Kadri Borgman scores in San Jose with a minute left

and we think oh my god the Leafs are going to come back and they don't and they lose but when I to me it's a parallel it's the mindsets so Borgman said when they asked him about it they said yeah that felt really good and Naz told me right away it was mine

and that felt amazing even though they lost he doesn't need to be mopey about it it was like you know we got steamrolled and we gotta wake up and get back at it

so he gets his first goal Patrick Maru scores and you know the Oilers have had trouble scoring and he is dejected and I listen I know it's

easy for the Leafs though they're above 500 but that's the point isn't that the point right there it is it is I mean

it's like how and again it's his first career NHL goal I get it everybody's gonna be excited no matter what happens but still

we talked about like Austin Matthews Being a boogeyman For other teams But the biggest boogeyman anyone has Is inside their own head And the Leafs boogeyman That exists in their head

Is their ability to defend leads And we saw it last year Like it got comical It was First and second period were great Third period implosion It was unbelievable to watch how often They would get the lead

And equally as unbelievable to watch How often they would completely cough it up If you want to have some fun, check out Leafs box scores from October last year and just watch, watch how many games they would have won if the game ended at the end of the second period. Like it's, I know a lot of teams can say that, but the Leafs collapsed monumentally, monumentally third period after third period after third period. It's crazy.

And, but like even, even, um, like games that they won, they had a 4-1 lead on Boston and coughed it up again in Boston, somehow won that game 6-5 in regulation. they blew a 4-1 lead to Detroit in the Centennial Classic on the biggest stage of the regular season they almost coughed up another one to Detroit

they almost coughed up one to Philly they almost coughed up one to the Stars it was just unbelievable they seem to be slowly recovering from that Leafs third period lead stats from last year how did you find that? from Leafs Nation

who wrote this article Our good friend Jeff Veyette In 37 games this year Well last year Toronto led in the third period 23 times And won 15 of them

That's Unacceptable You're probably going That's only 8 wins That's 8 wins Yeah man That's bad Cut that in half

And you're in the playoffs 3 or 4 games earlier So the Oilers Boogeyman right now Like sometimes It's not as specific As holding a lead Like sometimes

It's just winning we saw it with the Coyotes the other day I don't think it was incompetence that led them to cough up a 3-1 lead in under a minute it was them going oh my god we're almost there

don't drop it don't spill and the more you think about spilling you spill all over the floor that's what the Coyotes did that's what the Oilers are doing in the final minute or whatever it was against Pittsburgh all they're thinking is

don't spill spilled that's all it is and that's that's where their heads are at right now that's where you gotta take your

references from the book The Secret the key is not to say don't spill the key is to say I will make it to the counter without spilling

don't even think about the spill I've read that book you should read it it's good a lot of people would be like yeah stupid

I like it now we get it Adam you read buy my book when it comes out Um, yeah. So I, I wonder with Edmonton again, like Mark Spector with his headlines.

Oh, he's going to be having the greatest time. We should just do a bit called Mark Spector's headline today. Um, because it was, it's mad. Yeah. And, and I think he, he probably feels like, uh, it's, it's a small thing, but it's penguins dominance over Oilers continues with another victory. And I thought that another was big with another victory. See, that's incredible, because I guess the Penguins have some sort of winning streak

against the Oilers that I'm unaware of. They do. I think since Crosby got there, I think they're, what are they, 3-0-0 or 4-0-0 or something like that? They've never lost. But it's... Sorry, not Crosby. McDavid.

Right. Okay, so you're talking about... A three or four game win streak. A three or four game win streak against a team you played once or twice a year in another conference. They haven't won in three years! They've played five games. That's insane.

You know, there was a point at which every team in the NHL had a winning streak against the Toronto Maple Leafs, and it wasn't that long ago. No. Remember players would come to town and be like, well, this is how this player has played in 30-something games against the Leafs, and it was always great because they were always bad. Always great.

And after a while, I started going, wait a minute. Oh, man, this guy, Leaf killer. Oh, Matt Reed, Leaf killer. It's like, wait a minute, maybe they just blow chunks. Maybe they're bad. Maybe they just suck. Maybe they have sucked for a decade. Maybe that's the problem.

What do you mean Ovechkin scored 50 goals against the Leafs alone? Oh, wait, look at their goal tenders. Keith Primo always kills the Leafs. Alexey Zhamnov always kills the Leafs. Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmons, Matt Reid. Maybe the Flyers just always kill the Leafs, Steve. Sorry, I've had this conversation with myself many times. Anyway, point is, it's a rivalry by default because of Crosby and McDavid.

Right. But wins and losses are very much a team category. Yes, they are. Can we apply that logic to Crosby versus Ovechkin? No? No? Okay. Well, I tried.

Steve, when Ovechkin loses, it's his fault. It's Russia's fault. It's Russia's fault, actually. You're right. It's communism's fault. It's Russia's failure as a new age democracy, which it is no longer. But it's Russia's government's failure Because he's state sponsored Ovechkin

And therefore it's America's victory That a Canadian leads an American team Yes When America annexes Canada and another Russian player Yeah You'll be sorry You ever spoke bad about American hero

Geno Malkin Geno Malkin Yes who can forget the thick southern accent Marc-Andre Fleury delivered his Stanley Cup winning speech with in 2009

that thick southern drawl, who can forget man, he sure did love going to the University of Alabama, didn't he? He sure did oh, oh, Bama? oh, it's like you got rid of Ella and now it's just Bama, you're funny

I think the direct quote was I miss old Bambi once again And I think it's a sin That's from True Sweet Home Alabama Come on man, it's like one of the biggest songs ever I'm always drunk When it comes on I'm always drunk

I'm always drunk There have been many people that wouldn't be surprised by that There have been people in the past that have asked me about There have been people That have asked me about you in the past and they go Like, is he okay? Not always not always is the answer

sometimes I'm like yes he's the best it just he gets passionate about the Leafs what see you're a

you're a good friend cause I feel like most people would be like well he's yeah yeah it's fine

it's fine I found it funny that um it seems whenever asked CJ says I'm quiet yeah just for fun not like I'm not poppin

like I'm actually quiet oh okay but like it's quiet so you came through in some air max Did you bring your Jordans? Jordans. By the way, we should say, if you haven't watched the Bella Hadid bit, it's on our YouTube channel.

And it's awesome. It's so good. But I think your favorite part about that is the way she, it's not that she says quiet or lit or whatever, or Homeboy's going to get it. It's her, the way she says Jordans for you. And she spins while doing it because she's so uncomfortable saying it. She has to do like a little Jordans spin. Not that she's using all this ridiculous slang that she's obviously not accustomed to. It's that she's on a sneaker show talking about Jordans that she heard of for the first time that morning.

Because that's sure how it sounds. Jordans! Sorry, where on earth were we before we started? Oh, we're talking about Edmonton and Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah. So, you know what, I feel like... Typical Torontonians, not talking about Western Canada. I gotta say, man, I feel like the Oilers are due.

They're going to break this. There's no way this lasts. Yeah, they have a little bit of a team speed problem, and maybe they'll go and try to trade that and fix that. But honestly, I just can't see this continuing. Because they're not that bad. They've got the skill. I think the Oilers could take a lot of lessons from the Pittsburgh Penguins.

I mean, most teams could. They're back-to-back champions. Kind of like Ovechkin could from Jonathan Drouin. Absolutely. Who said that again? Jeremy Roenick. Jeremy Roenick. A couple of playoffs ago.

Yeah, definitely take advice from him. Anyway, no, what the Oilers could learn from the Penguins, I think, is positivity and attitude. And again, it's easy for the Penguins because, again, back-to-back champs. But we didn't really mention it yesterday in Elliot's 31 thoughts, but I thought some of the most valuable stuff in there was his quotes from Jim Rutherford. Well, before we get to that, I just want to point out that the reason we didn't get to that is because It was published. It's because he published it at 11.26 and we record at noon, that jerk.

So I tried to incorporate as much as I could, but I can pull it up for you. Yeah, it's always 7,000 words. Yes, and half an hour before the show, Elliot, really? Really, Elliot? You jerk. It's really not his fault. He has no idea when we record. No, no, no.

Don't go to bat for him. For that known jerk, Elliot Friedman. You know, Elliot Friedman, if there's anything we know about Elliot Friedman, it's just how disrespectful he is to everybody that he meets. Absolutely. Yeah. Especially kids. Especially kids.

For Halloween, he handed out slaps. To anyone who came to his door. Jim Rutherford says the Penguins need to ease the workload of Chris Letang, who, by the way, scored last night. As for trades, he's like, I don't feel any pressure to get anything done. Interesting Nuggets, they made two previous offers for Riley Sheehan. This one closed because Athanaseev's return brought cap pressure. So the only reason they got Riley Sheehan.

It was because of FNCU. Finally, from Rutherford, he was the only GM to vote against the two-minute penalty for an incorrect offside challenge. He supports video review, but thinks punishment for being wrong is too harsh. Do we want to get it right or not get it right? If we don't want to get it right, then we should get rid of it. He pointed to Chicago's 5-2 loss to Minnesota October 12th as an example of the severity. Chris Stewart broke the 1-1 tie with 9-28 remaining. The Blackhawks challenge failed and gave up a Jason Zucker power play goal a minute 57 later.

Yeah, so instead of being 2-1, now it's 3-1, just for a challenge. If you look at that, those are game changers. What I liked about Rutherford's comments, this is according to Elliot, is that he offered a solution modeled on the game misconduct rules. Any player who accrues three game misconducts gets a one game suspension. After that, each additional misconduct increases the next suspension by an extra game. Rutherford suggests something similar for coaches. You get three wrong, you get a penalty.

He added the caveat is that if you go, say, 10 games without one wrong, then you lose a strike against you. He said, I don't like the two-minute rule. To me, this option provides a little more leniency. Close plays at critical times, you're not going to ask if you're worried about being wrong. And that is kind of the point is you do want to, if it's a close play, you want to ask. We'll save that for a few minutes from now Because that's actually a really interesting debate

But in there, like I said There is so much The Oilers can take from Jim Rutherford First of all, the Riley Sheehan stuff They had trade talks going They had him going, they had him going He didn't necessarily Pull the trigger on the trade

He was Phil Kessel He didn't necessarily pull the trigger on the trade From a position of strength But he knew Detroit was in a position of weakness That's how you should try to get Every single trade done The Oilers meanwhile Are struggling

Mightily and very publicly Involved in every trade rumor on the planet They're in a Position of weakness What are they doing So he's very smart there and ahead of the curve When it comes to the Oilers And then what was the other part

There was something about There was one about back to back games He was saying All the teams defeat except one last Saturday in Minnesota were on the rear end of back-to-backs in a blowout and the blowout in Winnipeg was their fourth game in six nights.

A lot of blame thrown at Ante Niemi who was waived and claimed by Florida. He said, I feel bad for him. I'm not pointing the finger. We gave up some goals that you could point at the goaltender, but the same goalie made five or six saves that should have been goals. I guess Casey DeSmith initially came up from the AHL team.

Tristan Jerry is now with the team and likely plays Thursday in Calgary. They wanted him to get another weekend of AHL action before calling him up. And then they get into, like, whether it's the full-time number two. Right. So he said something earlier about, well, I'm not going to rush into any trade. So, again, there's a lesson that the Oilers can take. And he's putting out the fire.

He's just being calm and putting out the fire. Look, we lost because of this and that and that. Now, you can call it making excuses, and I suppose it is. But, I mean, he does have a point. Yeah, he does have a point. Now, the one criticism I would say is, well, you knew you were potentially going to be in a lot of really messy back-to-back situations, so why'd you sign Anthony Emme, which I think was our big criticism at the time.

But he has NHL pedigree, Steve. Yeah. He's a battler. Yeah. He just wanted a stopgap because Jari looks like the real deal. He looks like he could be their full-time backup. Which, you know what? If he is, screw you, Penguins.

Okay? Oh. With your damn goaltenders. It looks like he's going to be. That's amazing. good for them. It really looks like he's going to be.

Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say that to me is a GM that has been there before, knows what he's doing, is calm, isn't letting anything phase him.

And again, it's easy for him back-to-back champs. But the Oilers should maybe take some Zen lessons from him. Leafs versus Ducks. Yes.

Wow, that took a while. Leafs win. One thing that is super boring to talk about, but I think we need to focus on right away is not one particular player to me for the first two periods. Cause you remember, I didn't see the third.

It really looked like Toronto cleaned up their neutral zone. And that seemed to be a real issue in San Jose. And it seemed to be an issue on the three game slide that they were on. They were focused on, it was, it wasn't what I saw a lot of was Mitch Marner trying to do too much, you know, making five moves when two would do,

uh, Tyler Bozak making terrible passes. And actually I believe there was an article either in the athletic or it, or it was Chris Johns. Somebody, somebody did it. And I forget who it was. It was talking about his, no, it was Andrew Berkshire was talking about what happened to Tyler Bozak. And apparently his, his passing accuracy thus far this year is about 12% lower than it was last year. It's gone from like 64 to 52%. That will screw you up. And he, and so Andrew, Andrew kind of talked about, he's like, he's just, and you should read the articles because

it talks about his entire game. But I thought that was one of the ones that stuck out to me because that was my frustration with him and that line particularly in the neutral zone was the um they never seem to get it past the the uh the offensive blue line so the one thing that that line is good at being offensive bit of a problem couldn't get in is he hiding an injury like i suggested that a couple videos ago because bozak has had so many injuries over his career and they haven't all been cataclysmic they've been like oh he missed two games he missed three games He missed five games. Is he stubbornly playing hurt or something?

Well, he ought not to. They don't need to. He wants to keep his spot in the lineup. Oh, he's not going to. You think he's going to lose his spot in his lineup to Dominic Moore? No offense to Dominic Moore. How many times do we have to say it? Hockey players are lunatics.

They're lunatics. They're not forward-thinking people. You know? Like, even a Dominic Moore would sit here and be like, yeah, and that's not going to happen. Dominic Moore's 37. Yeah. I don't know. They seem not afraid to dump the puck

They cleaned up the neutral zone It was crisp passes and then Into the Anaheim zone Now, given that Anaheim has a ton of injuries We understand that we were playing a bit of a disabled team You know Ryan Kessler, hip injury Ryan Getzlaff, face

Cam Fowler, Kevin BX Those are big names for that team Lindholm, I think Just decimated Decimated team Should be a cup favorite. Absolutely. And will be.

When all those players come back, they don't need to make any moves at the trade deadline. It might be too late. You think so? It might be too late. I don't know, man. I don't think they're doing that bad, are they? It's a tough sport. Tough league.

It's hard to make the playoffs. I mean, it sure helps that the Oilers think. It sure does. I don't think they were counting on that. Well, Anaheim's sitting ninth right now. They're going to be fine. If they can just stay afloat. Stay vaguely 500-ish.

The thing that I think everybody was talking about, and I almost, like, you noticed it almost right away. When Patrick Marlowe skates, it's like he's eaten a star from Mario Kart 64. It's, it's, he was so fast. And I saw him throw a hit behind the net yesterday because he didn't have a choice. He doesn't throw big hits, but he was going so fast that he had to hit the guy. He's 38. He's lying on his birth certificate for sure. Yeah, for sure.

38-year-olds are not that intense and fast and crisp. It was the best I've seen him skate. Playing center. Boy, did he look good. Arguably, can we argue it might have been his best game as a Leaf? I wouldn't argue what I would say it was. The first game was very good as well. But it might have been his best game as a Leaf.

Basically, it is for sure. From James Myrtle. He was on for all three goals and had a 69% possession. And he was above 50 in the face-off, wasn't he? I don't know. Not that that really, really matters. I'm pretty sure he was. Hey, it was a great...

You guys didn't think that was a nice possession stuff? Oh. Wow. Nice. Nice. It was nice. Very good. That's pretty nice.

Nice. I read that Carlos Beltran is going to retire with 69 war. Wins above replacement. Yeah, yeah. Nice. I assume it's 6.9 because 69 wins above I thought it said 69

maybe it was 6.9 because 69 wins above replacement would be your alien like baseball 69 wins above replacement are you trying to tell me he's not that good? Carlos Beltran is a baseball player I recognize therefore he's an all star

therefore he is 69 wins better than a replacement yeah home run every at bat it's a nice career 6.9 is very nice so yeah Marlo JVR Brown you're talking

69% on the possession he won face offs was defensively responsible as was Connor Brown which to me encouraged JVR to do the same he can fly a little bit more so I've heard rumblings, and somebody tweeted me and said this, and I don't know

that this is totally true. I know that Mike Babcock said we did not get him to be a center. But then he also said, I thought Bozak had a great game. Mike, I don't believe you. I don't believe you, Mike. I don't think Bozak was bad. I actually kind of liked their line.

He was put in a sweetheart role. That's how you get going. He's a fourth-line center against a fourth-line center no one's ever heard of. Like, come on. Of course it's supposed to be a slam dunk. Anyway, sorry. Well, I think focusing on Marleau, JVR, and Brown for a second here, that's a line.

Oh, my God, yeah. That's a line. Oh, my God. And my question is if, okay, so you didn't get the guy because you wanted him to play wing, and he has scored 513 goals. He got another one last night, and there's a crazy stat associated with that, which we'll talk about in just a second. And maybe there's a rumor that, I've never seen this,

but somebody again tweeted this to me, that he doesn't want to play center. But Oh well that would If I haven't seen any of that though I haven't seen that Quoted anywhere So if it has been quoted

I mean Forgive me for being wrong But I have not seen that If that's the case Even so Do not say Patrick Listen Here are the numbers

It was the best game Of your season so far And you're playing great Can you just do it No I I give it to him I think he's Spent enough time

In the league Where if he doesn't Want to play center You're trying to win a cup here You're trying to win a cup That's not I don't think that's how it works They're very early on in their relationship

And I'm willing to bet That that was a big part of the conversation Along with all the monies In the world We want you to play wing And maybe he said I want to play wing I don't know

I mean I hope reporters ask him Over and over and over again I hope he has another great game against the Kings Wouldn't that be nice Sometimes you have that conversation though And then your boss puts you in that position anyway because they have no other choice and they didn't, the Leafs didn't have a choice

I don't think, and you go well hey, I kind of like this tell me I don't know that Patrick Marleau has some pretty strong line mates there, right? I don't know how he

couldn't have fun on that line and I'm sure he did last night. He looked like he was having fun, you missed his goal did you see the highlights? No, I saw the backhand That was an intense backhand And they dominated the first period God he looked great

He looked like he was having fun So if he has fun Maybe that opinion changes I've been putting that sell job hard on him Because again The NHL is to me In each position There are things that really matter

The things that matter up front are DF Strong Center The things that matter on defense is Do you have somebody that can play 35 minutes in the playoffs And in goaltending, do you have a goalie that can play 60 games and win 60% of those, right? That's what it's going to take to win. I wonder if him playing like that, let's say they have another good game tonight,

and he goes to Mike Babcock and goes, listen, I said this, but this is kind of fun. We can keep doing this. And when you look at the optimization of the Leafs, they had four lines that were dangerous last night. That's the first time I've ever seen that in my entire life, being a Leafs fan. Even Bozak, Martin, Marner gifted the game.

They were good. And you know what? They made Matt Martin really useful. Matt Martin did what Matt Martin did. He played his game, and Bozak and Marner could play their game, and it fit. I saw a fit there. Do we know if Marleau's at center tonight? Yes, he is.

Yeah, Babcock said after the game, Marleau's staying at center. Kapanen's getting into the lineup. Oh, tonight? Polak is getting into the lineup, and McElhinney's getting into the lineup. But he didn't say who was coming out. Anderson is obvious but who's coming out Anderson

Jordan's no I was like I don't get it Jordan's who comes out for Kapanen I assume Levo

how did he play last night I thought that was that line was quiet so this this is the awful awful thing and I were you awake

for when Anaheim tied it yes okay so this is the awful thing Andre Kasha

who we called case yesterday because I don't know that's how it's spelled Throws it on net It's nowhere near Josh Levo It bounces off Andreas Borgman's skate It's basically no one's fault

It's an accident Goes off Borgman's skate Freddie wasn't anticipating His own teammates scoring on him And it's nowhere near Where Levo was supposed to be covering Levo was on the ice For the only goal against

And was the Leafs only minus player He was a minus one That sucks But he looked good. He did. He was feisty. He was bumping guys behind the net, getting dirty in the corners. Set up a hell of a play.

I think it was Kadri almost had a goal. Yes. And looked good on the power play. And looked good on the power play. Damn it. Listen, if they weren't trying to give him a real shot, and I think they did, I don't think that they would have put him on the power play. They put him on the power play.

Put him on the power play. I mean, you might as well. That's what he's good at, right? You need to use players to their strengths. I don't think Mike Babcock's stupid. You know I don't think he would just look at the sheet And be like well Leaves was the only minus one So he's our worst player by far

But it just sucks It just sucks for Levo And his three game point streak has snapped That sucks And that goes back what 250 days or something Did you see that from Dave Alter No I didn't see the full thing

He had like a game last February And then he missed like a month Then a game last March and then a couple games ago it was a three game point streak like Jeremy Williams except without getting sent down Patrick Marleau scored a goal last night

as we know it was the 2-1 goal and Silverberg's goal was a kick in so that makes Marleau's 2-1 goal the game winner that was his 100th game winner of his career now I'm rounding a little bit here because Patrick Marleau has 513 career goals

But just under one in every five goals that Patrick Marleau has scored has been a game winner. About 19.5, Adam. This may or may not have been in my video today. That's crazy. I haven't had a chance to see your video yet. No, I know. I uploaded it here.

That is nuts, though. Like, that's... I would love to know. What are the odds of that? I would love to know what the percentages are for, say, like, Merrill Lemieux, Wayne Gratzky. That has to be high. I mean, we can look it up.

Almost 20%. I'll look it up for Lemieux. Keep talking. Um, beyond that, uh, here's what Mike Babcock had to say about Freddie Anderson. And this comes from a Chris Johnson's article this morning on sportsnet.ca. It's hard to believe that an NHL player wouldn't have confidence because you think that they're good said Babcock, but it's true. It's fleeting.

So when you get her going, you feel about your, uh, you feel good about yourself. You've got jump you and you're loose. And when you don't, and when you don't have her going, when you're going to have her going did he actually write it like that? well that's what I wanted to get to you spend all your time wearing yourself out thinking about it and trying to get it going

but the secret is to work hard all the time when you've got her going and keep it going and Chris Johnson does write apostrophe er every time he says er get her going that's just I want to hear the person who's talking's voice

that's good writing it's like Mike Babcock and Hagrid from Harry Potter Get her going. Instead of two, J.K. Rowling used to wrote ter. Because that's how. Because that's what he says. Yeah, he'd say ter. Talk how the guy talks.

So here's an amazing one. Mario Lemieux, 690 career goals. 915 games, by the way. That's so stupid. By the way, something that we're really struggling with in my era adjusted pieces is not writing about Lemieux every single time. Yeah. He was so good. He was so very good.

690 goals Only 74 game winners So let's do 74 divided by 690 Only 10.7% So way below Marlowe Why don't we look at Gretzky I assume the guys who scored the most all time

Are No their game winners would be less Right Because if you score 3 goals in a game Only one of those can be a game winner Which is why Marlowe's total is so incredible Because Wow

Yeah, it's why Marleau's total is so incredible, because he's scored over 500 goals. Wayne freaking Gretzky scored 894 career NHL goals, will probably never be passed. Game winners, 91. Wow. So Marleau has not only passed Gretzky in that category, he passed him a long time ago. And that is 10.1%. Who has the all-time leader in game-winning goals? How do we find that out?

Great question. I'm sure it's on Hockey Reference. Jesse, can you work on that one? Yeah, yeah. I want to talk about the Hainsey and Riley pairing. Yes, there were some stats. James Myrtle wrote an article about how when Marleau and Hainsey were signed, Marleau is the fifth oldest forward in the league.

Hainsey is the sixth oldest forward in the league. That's surprising. Hainsey is the sixth oldest defenseman in the league. so 9.25 million dollars go to both those players to summon people were a little worried about that

and I think you kind of go well yeah that's a little bit scary but we've already talked about Patrick Marleau and I think Sharks fans are like yeah duh

he is really good but we just didn't know man we didn't know we didn't get to see him as much also I was excited about it from the beginning I thought it was cool

I just want to say called it knowing races it was one of those weird things like when Joe Neuendijk came to the Leafs I was like he's not supposed to be here

he's really good Gary Roberts too All right, do you want the list? Yeah, let's hear it. All-time NHL leaders for game-winning goals. Do you guys want to guess? I'm going to say it's Jager. I'm going to say Dino Cicerelli.

Jaromir Jager. Well done. 135. How many total goals? How many total? Oh, sorry, sorry. He's over 700. Yeah.

Second place, Phil Esposito. Third. Esposito is at 118, by the way. And Jager's at 135. So, yeah. Wow. Solani, 110. Brett Hall, 110.

Brendan Shanahan, 109. Iggy, 101. And then our boy. Paddy Moe. Paddy Moe, 100. And guess who's in ninth place right now? Active player. Austin Matthews.

Phil Kessel. No. Crosby? This guy has 96 game-winning goals. Or Ovechkin. Has to be Ovechkin. Ovi. That's insane.

He's an all-timer. He's going to pass Marleau this year. Maybe. Yeah, probably. He could do it, like, next week. Maybe. That's technically. So, sorry.

Jager, who has the most game-winning goals of all time, just 7.8%. So that's, like, half of Marleau. That might be the highest ever. Yeah, I'm not sure how we would find that. In players that have scored over 500 goals, that might be the highest ever. Maybe I'll ask Sportsnet's stats department, but that's, like, a freak of nature. That's crazy. But is that just luck?

because you can't plan when your goals come. Well, okay, I spoke to a scout once upon a time who, and this was, like, in the early baby steps years of, like, analytics and stuff, and this wasn't really an analytic. Like, he wasn't a huge nerd. Like, wait till you see these numbers. He was just like, I keep track of something called clutch scoring, and it was basically how many goals do you score when your team is down?

down by one or tied something like that or in game winners something along those lines and this was like right after

Eberle scored his big goal too at the World Juniors and he's like his numbers in junior for clutch scoring were amazing and I just I don't know

I took his word for it I don't know I don't know how to find that in the WHL but like this has to mean like at least This has to mean that a huge, huge, huge chunk of Marleau's goals were scored in the third period in overtime.

And pressure cooker situations. Yeah. Which is great because that's why you bring in a guy like that for that sort of experience. They would have had to come in tied games. Obviously. You want a guy who can play under pressure. And I know that's sort of an unquantifiable thing,

but there is a mindset. They would have come in the back half of the game. So let's say the Sharks got a two-goal lead and the other team chipped away and scored one, and Marleau scored the insurance marker, well, then you get the game winner. Or it would have been tied in the third period. So I would say a big chunk of his goals

would have had to have been scored in the second half of the game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, any good player would be good in that category, right? Yeah. Yeah. But we've just compared the numbers of some of the all-time greats, and he's exceptional. So we think that clutch is a thing you can produce? I don't know if you can quantify it, but I think that there are definitely teams and players that, and with no offense to the St. Louis Blues and Washington Capitals of the last five to seven years, but there are teams that for some reason get it done, and there are teams that for some reason don't.

And there has to be something. There has to be a reason. And you can get a reputation. Like, okay, remember when we were much younger and the Leafs looked like they were making noise in the early 2000s? And, you know, game goes to overtime And the puck gets on Steve Thomas' stick And you're like, good things are about to happen Because Steve Thomas just developed this reputation

He's money in overtime Absolutely money, which is ironic Because Sundin is one of the best overtime scorers of all time But Steve Thomas, for a guy who wasn't like an all-timer In terms of goal scoring Scored a lot of overtime goals Absolutely A lot of OTGs

I want to bring up Hainsey Because I did bring him This is from Myrtle. That's okay. The Leafs went 15 for 7 on shot attempts with Hainsey on the ice at even strength. And even strength where it matters, right? It's not, you know, penalty kills and power plays. That's excusing.

So when it's 5 on 5, 15 shot attempts for the Leafs, 7 against. That's really good. They were even better 20 and 6 when Morgan Rielly was out there. So here, let me cut you off to just add a little bit of context there. So one thing we've talked a lot about Is score effects So that's okay If you're losing 5-1

You're probably going to dominate shots For the rest of the game Because the other team has abandoned offense And they're just going to do all defense So it's going to look like you had a really good game And you might even win the shots against battle That's why they have score adjusted Corsi Which is basically when the game is close

I don't remember how they measure The game being close So a lot of people have chirped Corsi as being really stupid. And Berkshire was quick to point out, no, this team, I think it was the Canadians, is actually terrible at it. So anyway, go look at his timeline. That gives you an idea of, you know, it's not just pure shot attempts. It's when the game is close. That's how they measure how good a team is.

Sorry, Adam, continue. I just wanted to say how great, it's nice to have a defense pair. This has been their rock-solid defense pair. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm shocked. I did not think it was going to be like this. What did you, I don't think anybody did.

Now, what do you think about, and again, 13 games in, 13 games in. Sure. What did you think about the other defense pairs last night? We had Carrick and Gardner, and Gardner did one of those, I'm going to skate backwards to the red line because I can with the puck. And then, of course, you had Borgman and Zaitsev. I like what Babcock was going for with Borgman and Zaitsev. he I think wanted to reduce

Zaitsev's workload at 5 on 5 I think what he did was reduce his time but accidentally increase his workload because you're working with a rookie and with all due respect to Andreas Borgman it looked like Zaitsev was

trying really hard out there and trying to do too much and it resulted in two first period penalties so I don't know Gardner looked good and Carrick looked good So maybe that is So that means Carrick's scratched tonight because Polak's coming in Well this is the confusing thing

And maybe they'll release the lines in the middle of the show I don't know Have a look and see Look for either CJ or Henny But I don't know I'm not sure that pairing is It's gonna be

If they want it to work I could see it working But it's gonna take a while And this is the problem I don't know if Babcock's patient And also, it might mean a lot of Polak Gardner, which I don't think you want. What's wrong with Carrick that they don't like him or that they're not confident in him?

He doesn't trust him to kill penalties. Oh, so it's not that they don't like him five on five. It's that it's a penalty kill thing. I mean, he's not the biggest guy. He's a gronk, though. Like, look at his neck. He's really strong. He was all over the gram in the summer with his workout videos,

working out with Rich Kloon. but I guess they just don't trust them to kill penalties. The Leafs are one, not even like right-handed stud defenseman away from being really, really good. They're one penalty killer who they trust to kill penalties away from being really, really hard to stop because right now they have a bunch of guys who are pretty good, but they only trust two and a half of them to kill penalties.

Why not work one of those guys in and hack at it? You would think that they'd put a little more effort into that, but they're going back to Roman Polak. I don't get it. The Polak-Borgman pairing, I know it was only a few games. I saw enough. That was horrible. Sorry, yes, Jesse.

Someone on our Reddit page suggested trading a JVR and a package for Ryan Ellis. I've heard that before. He's injured right now. Yeah. When he comes back, Steve. I've heard that before about Ryan Ellis. I'm like, why would that? See, Nashville, that's their strength.

So are you dealing from strength to address a weakness, and does that therefore diminish your strength? And I think in that case it does. Why wouldn't you keep your top four the way it is? You know what I was also thinking is, you know, dealing from a position of strength and a position of weakness, the Leafs' position of strength in any, you know, trade negotiations with regards to a right-hand defenseman,

if that is actually going on, is potentially Igor Ogiganov and the idea that, well, he's a free agent, but the Leafs are going to get him. It's a lock, right? So the Leafs can head into any negotiation with, fine, we'll just walk out. Like they have the ability to walk out or either the fake or real confidence to walk out of trade talks. you know it's a little bit of strength

it's not the greatest backup plan but it could work and you never know where Travis Dermott and Timothy Lilligren are sitting at you know game 40 yeah so we're not getting Ryan Ellis no I don't think so

hey man if we do I'm happy but I don't think so Dermott is a little bit more developed but like asking Lilligren to come in and be the freaking savior right away. I don't think it's very fair. I wouldn't want him to be the savior. I would just want him to play fourth-line right-handed minutes and be able to kill penalties.

That's the thing. Is he going to be your penalty-killing stalwart? I look at the Marlies, and I'm trying to think of who kills penalties on the back end there. I think it's like Leo Laverde and Valiev? Valiev. Might be Valiev, who plays on the right

but shoots left. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a shot this year. A lot of people have been talking about him Including Babcock last year I bet if the Leafs Had to call up a D-man Valiev Marincin is still an option I keep forgetting about that

Yeah then he's got to clear waivers again Okay for all the Marincin haters out there Polak or Marincin Polak Stop Stop it right now No No actually

Polak No Wow Who do you trust more To kill penalties Polak You're wrong Absolutely not

What's the other guy's name Martin Marty Marincin Never heard of him You're terrible By the way Shout out to Brian Boyle Who played his first game

In the season Devils won 1-0 Over the Canucks Both teams Surprising starts The Devils are 9-2 Yeah Stop

Cory Schneider man Cory freaking Schneider Not only are they fat I don't Like with all that everybody's like, all of a sudden the Devils are fast and scary and they're like a buzzsaw. Yes, they also have Cory Schneider. Early Vezina

trophy candidate. For sure. Absolutely. A bit of a hitch in the giddyup though, is Marcus Johansson going to be okay? Have you seen that picture of him falling face first into the boards? Yes. Rough. Rough. Rough looking. He also may have a face injury. Let's hope that's all.

Hey, let's talk about the Cleveland Browns before we get to the press conference. You bet. Okay, so the NFL trade deadline just happened. This is great. Yeah, if you think as an Oilers fan or a Leafs fan or a Coyotes fan, you've had it rough, maybe a Panthers fan, where you're like, man, I couldn't get behind our management for so many years. As a Leafs fan, we could relate.

We used to yell and scream and bash our heads against the wall. The best and most frustrated fans in the NFL are Cleveland Browns fans. And the reason I call them the best is that the Cleveland Browns are never good and have never been good. Yeah, I don't think there's a comparable for them in hockey. No, no. There's no comparable. And their fans are the greatest.

They sell out every game. They're passionate. They're fired up. They've got the dog pound. They're so excited to be there. They're so excited for Cleveland Browns football. And the Cleveland Browns this year and every other year get the first top three pick and continue to not do well. They have had something like, I think it's 20 quarterbacks in the last four years.

20. They're the pre-McDavid Oilers except forever? Yes. And, again, their fans are fantastic. Their management's a joke. Now, why do I bring these up? Wow, a lot like the pre-McDavid Oilers. Okay.

Cleveland Browns haven't won a game this season. Not one. And NFL trade deadline goes, and you think, okay, well, this is their opportunity to sell off and get some assets. Because they've got a lot of draft picks coming up. Why not add more, right? Why not? they decide to make a trade for a quarterback. And not only was that going to be a trade for a quarterback,

it was a second and third round pick for this quarterback. They were giving up? That they were going to give up to get a quarterback. Now, the quarterback's A.J. McCarron. He is Andy Dalton's backup in Cleveland. Or not Cleveland, Cincinnati, which is a crosstown rival, basically. Same state. And he has started three career games.

They were going to give up a third and a second for him. Is that a lot? That's a lot. That's a lot for a guy that started three games. Imagine you get a goalie who started 20 career games and you gave up a second and third round pick. But enough about the Leafs getting Nabokov. Not Nabokov, Toskala.

So they work out a deal. Bengals allow the Browns to take A.J. McCarron. Bengals are excited about getting a second and third round pick for a guy that wasn't probably going to play unless Andy Dalton got injured. And then it all went wrong. How? well there's a couple a couple things but it might have been self-sabotage and i think this

is the most interesting fact because when i first heard about this it was oh they were partying too hard and forgot to to post that didn't turn out to be totally true oh i wanted it to be true so multiple sources told the cleveland inquirer that there was a disconnect in cleveland between the personnel department and the coaching staff about mccarran which hindered talks between the two franchises about the quarterback dating back to this spring. Meanwhile, at Cleveland.com, Mary Kay, I think it's Shabbat, reported that the Browns didn't follow email trade protocol. And according to Deadspin, like a bunch of dumbasses.

The Bengals quickly sent the necessary documents to the NFL and they copied the Browns on it. But the Browns only sent sent theirs to the Bengals and not the NFL. So they didn't hit reply all. Oh, my God. A source with knowledge close to the Browns said the sequence of events, they told Cleveland.com that the sequence of events kind of went like this. They signed their document to the Bengals with the expectation that the Bengals would also sign it and forward it to the league. The same source told Cleveland.com that if the Browns had simply copied the NFL in the document they sent to the Bengals, the trade would have gone through. so they here's the so not only does the personnel department the player personnel department and the

coaching staff not agree on this guy one doesn't one wants and one doesn't they're going to give up way too much to get them to maybe win a game this year because they're bad their offensive lines bad their defensive line they're just bad they're bad so they're going to put a guy who started three career games on a bad team that's never going to get better this year and they were going to give up future assets to do it. And the only reason it didn't get done is because they didn't hit reply all and save themselves from themselves.

That is the apex of stupid. They were so stupid that they undid their stupid. Exactly. It's genius. They won that. It's like the Leafs missing out on... It's like that meme with the glowing brain. It's so stupid. It's like the Leafs missing out on Dave Bolin because Florida was

stupider. Yeah. It's like the Leafs trading Jonas Hoagland to the Boston Bruins, but the trade gets nullified because the fax machine broke. I wanted the party story to be true. Me too. Badly. But that didn't turn out to be the case. I heard a story,

I don't want to say the name, but there was a Canadian music artist who was struggling. There's only like five to pick from. Drake! No, someone else. They were struggling so hard to come up with a hook for a single. Their album needed a single. And then she said

Sk8er Boi, I'll see you later, boy. That's it! No, and they came up with it, and they freaked out, and they were so happy that they finally came up with the damn hook. And they went out, and they bought a bottle of wine, and they drank the entire thing, like, out of the bottle, celebrating. And then they get into the recording booth, and they go, Shit, how did it go?

They completely forgot. And it was only because I think it was, like, an engineer happened to be there and remembered the hook. He goes, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. See you later, boy. It was actually a really huge hit. I'll tell you after. It was Skater Boy, everyone.

Yeah. Well, Avril didn't write that. Chantel Kriviasi didn't write that. It was Avril Lavigne. Anyway, let's do the press conference, shall we? The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. Did you know this is from Iowa Shyhawk?

Where are you from? You're right. Did you know that the Brindacat, as we like to call him, didn't finish high school, but is currently taking online courses to complete it. So technically, the Blackhawks have a high schooler playing for them, which means Carey Price has been scored on by someone in high school. I believe that. He got a goal on Carey Price?

Yep. That's got to be a great feather in your cap. Eh? Like, it's not just scoring an NHL goal, like, you know, hey, here's my first NHL goal puck. Like, I want my first I scored on Cary Price puck. Good feather in your cap. A good shine on your monocle. Yeah, like, if I'm not mistaken, a shine on your monocle, Adam.

It's a great horse to your carriage. Adam is a 64-year-old woman. That's the oldest feather in your cap. Yeah, you said it. What are you talking about? One day, okay, Mr. Projection. Adam is going to be a great aunt. One day.

I'm just making fun of you. I know. I know, but I'm trying to... In your bonnet. It sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet. It's an egg. Extra cube of sugar in your tea. Do you have any comments on DeBruyne the cat?

Oh, right. If I'm not mistaken, Matt Stajan had his first NHL goal against Martin Brodeur. I don't know why I was ever going to bring it up. It doesn't matter. Divide 12 by 4. Three. Good job. Every time you bring up a random stat, I'm going to ask you to long divide.

Oh, that's so hard. That's just division. That's not long division. Fine. Fine. I don't know how to do it, but I know what it is. It's got the swiggle thing. It's like a house.

Sorator on our Reddit page says, Over in our hockey, an Oilers fan wrote this. Adam, are you listening? I'm listening. I'd rather trade, I'd trade Dreisaitl and Kleffbaum for the Leafs front office without even blinking. We'd be right at the start of our second dynasty I wonder what they could have gotten For Eberle and Hall

I as a league fan Would not do that Yeah I wouldn't do that and second they wouldn't have traded either of them I heard someone say Couldn't afford it I heard someone say in the last couple days Well they tried McDavid and Hall together and it didn't work If you remember McDavid's first season

He played the majority of the games On the McPoopoo line The McYakpoo line, which was Benoit Pouliot and Niall Yakupov, and revived both of their careers. So he played the majority of the time with those two. The other thing that's interesting is that he played only like 41, 42 games that first year. So how much time did they really give it? Not much.

You see what I'm saying here? I don't think they gave it any time. Oh, it didn't work after one game. Sorry, Holly, you have to do something else. No, I think it was. Wasn't it they wanted it to be McDavid's room, so they traded Hall? Is that what you heard? Wasn't that one of the big storylines going around?

Whatever, put it this way, I haven't heard a good excuse yet. If that's come out, then that means the trade is not good. The best excuse is they shed, they got a little bit of cap room and a player that they needed in a good defenseman who also happened to be right-handed. That's the best excuse, and it's still not a great one. Sucks to be the Oilers right now All these segments are going to be really funny

When they win the cup this year I think they're coming back I don't think they're dead I'm not so convinced about the Canadiens But I think the Oilers are better than this They're a playoff team But it's amazing what confidence in your front office will do Because like okay

Let's say that trade happened Leafs get Clefbaum and Dreisaitl I don't have faith That our new front office of presumably the Oilers' front office would not screw it up. Yeah, no, no. It comes down to, like,

if we got to keep none of the people, we'd be in trouble. Yeah. What if it's only Shani and Babcock and then Lou retires after this year? But Lou gets to bring in the next two. Do we get to keep Dubas? Yes.

And Pritam? No. Oh, okay, then no. Can we stop doing something as an entire fan base, please? No, probably not. But anyway. Okay. Because that thing is probably fun.

Yeah. It's not. Okay. Well, maybe. It is whenever a move, whenever a decision is made, we try to figure out who in management pushed for it the hardest. We do? I don't do that.

Not us. I don't think we've ever done that. We might have. Have we? Maybe. I don't care. It happens on Twitter all the time, and it often goes, every good move

is Dubas every bad move is sorry every good move is Dubas Pridham every bad move is

Lou Hunter yeah I see that yeah Mark Hunter brought us Mitch Marner and William Nylander so yeah

but also what about that sixth rounder who's big and not that good what about Montanen or not

yeah every draft pick is blamed on Mark Hunter every big guy yeah stop you don't okay there are there is a little bit of evidence to maybe poke you in the direction of maybe it was hunter maybe it was dubious you don't freaking know that unless like elliot friedman comes out and says this that and the other like there is only one real behind the curtain story we've heard um confirmed by like multiple people and that was

supposedly Babcock fighting tooth and nail to get, I want to say it was one of Hannafin or Wierenski instead of Marner. That's it. And that's Babcock. It's not even technically a member of management.

And Hunter was the one who put his foot down and said, Marner! Boy, would Wierenski look good? Two out of three of those guys would have been fine. And you have to look at all three. Well, Hannafin's good, but I think if you want it on Mitch Marner had a great year last year.

Zach Wierenski had a great year last year. Yeah, but he's on the fourth line now, so he's a bust. Wierenski or? No, Marner. Oh, he's a total bust. He's a bust. No, he's great. Yeah, listen, I don't think any of those picks could have been that wrong,

and I think Hannafin would look great in a Leafs jersey, and I love the call. What is it? There's always that talk about Hannafin coming to the Leafs for some reason because people are talking about that. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't know what that's based on. Whenever a trade rumor recurs, I always wonder if it's, like, someone's brainchild or, like, they're actually hearing something.

Or is it a bunch of people going, yeah, I could see that. Well, like, the other day when Kiprios was talking about Marner for Hannafin, I was like, all right, I understand. Like, his reasoning was fine. Everyone was jumping on him, but, like, his reasoning was solid. It's just, no, that's not going to happen. Yeah, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. Isn't the same, like, Hall for Larson.

I get it. Totally get it. I wouldn't do it. But I get it at very least. Oh, trades. Oh, hypothetical trades. Aren't they pointless? Is that all for the press conference?

That is. Okay, well, that's it for us today. We're going to come back Tuesday with more stuff. We've got a game in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, I think is the pronunciation. I don't think anybody pronounces it that way. Los Angeles. Los Angeles

that's how Bugs Bunny pronounces it so we're Los Angeles tonight who wins the game by what score tonight oh boy McElhinney against one of the hottest teams on the second half of a back to back Leafs 3-1

I'm going to say 5-3 is the score 4 I think Adam nailed it I'm going to change it to 5-3 Kings man I hope it's not is it unfair to put McElhinney in there

against one of the NHL's top teams does this ever does this scream we want Calvin Pickard up here as soon as possible to you cause that's what it says to me you know what's interesting is McElhinney after only playing one game this season and looking good in it

um Sparks just set the Marley shutout record for one season or just career career well that'd be amazing if he already broke it

he's had a shutout in every game has not allowed a goal this season Marley shutout record well that just means he's played too many games

with the Marleys I'm kidding that's not true at all we should trade Garrett Sparks for Connor McDavid and Chris Letang

and Chris Letang and we'll get all those guys and trade them for Noah Hannafin. Yes. Oh, yes. With Mitch Marner.

Done. Carolina loves it. All right. Edmonton, hire me. We're out of here. Love you guys. We'll talk to you Tuesday. And in the meantime,

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