The Steve Dangle Podcast - Matthews & MacKinnon | February 26, 2024

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

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the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake how are things going for the toronto maple leafs right now jesse blake can you play the video uh This is how things are going for the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. How are the wives? I need to know the wives. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Tyler. That's the best part.

Happy birthday to you. Sing it through those teeth, Max. what teeth what teeth yeah i heard he lost one this year and i'm like where no no so he was he was missing his two front teeth and then he got one of the other ones right next to it knocked out so so the gap just got wider so basically he's just got his canines and that's it that's pretty much it incredible and then tyler smiles and he's missing one too tyler when have we ever referred to him as tyler well that was that was why that i don't think anyone has called tyler bertuzzi tyler for 20 years no just bertuzzi tyler well i think bertuzzi is such a strong

like noticeable remember yeah do you remember that name uh hey so tyler bertuzzi gets a hat trick on his birthday it's the first time it's happened in toronto maple leaf's history that's 107 years 108 years i can't remember if drew was on the stream with me when he scored the hat trick but like both our jaws dropped we're like well he scored the winning goal didn't he so yeah drew he was on the street he must have been like we were just like how is that possible like i guess it's rare to score a hat trick on your birthday it comes once every 365 days a hat trick comes maybe never maybe all the time if you're austin matthews you never know what if you had a july birthday well hovid would have been the only time to score a hat trick on your birthday

in a warm-up game yeah yeah and unless it was zillian mckay if no one was doing it Do the Leafs get two centennial celebrations? Because they didn't become the Toronto Maple Leafs until 1927. Before that, they were the St. Patrick's. So in 2027, do we get to do another 100 years of Toronto Maple Leafs hockey? I think if you're a good marketing department, you take advantage of that. Yeah. Here, let me do an impression of the person in charge of making the Leafs money.

Yes. I am excited for two seasons from now when we get the next centennial. the re-tenial re-2-pec-tenial re-2-tenial re-2-tenial we should copyright it and make the t-shirts now so that if the Leafs

want to do it we already own it re-2-tenial shirt coming soon it was a heck of a game that Saturday night like listen your stream was awesome I know thoroughly enjoyed it had the stream on had the game on

was able to finally sync them up properly and it was perfect and you know what i i i think uh the text message you got from adam copeland oh yeah i got a text from edge mid-game and what did he say no they're humming what did he say uh i don't remember i remember what he said i'll tell you he said how about these two teams for a stanley cup final he did say that um he said like he said other things oh my god he did he said a bunch of other things uh sorry the last correspondence we had before that was sorry i can't come to the live show uh he goes imagine this final i said dude it's such good hockey and he goes actually has my heart rate elevated and then he ended it with at 9 39 p.m what a fucking game and then we talked about how tyler bertuzzi

uh looks like both cory and trevor from trailer park he does he does it's a uh it was it was a great game for the leafs to win you could see like visible disappointment from drew like he was very he's like what a way to lose because it's a puck over glass penalty yeah it's miko rantanen yeah you can't get upset with ever because he's so good he's ridiculously good and and really both teams had had good moments and bad moments the leafs bad moments started in the first as usual they go down to nothing wasn't great boy the avalanche man i can't believe they're down nakushkin and landis cog like that team was all over the leafs like shit on velcro like just for checking the life out of them and then anytime the leafs were able to get out of their zone

you're not getting across that blue line and if you are you're not getting across with anything meaningful yeah like i couldn't believe that the leafs outshot the avalanche in the first period um i won yeah but i don't know what the shot attempts were i imagine the avalanche won that battle and i know they won the ozone uh time with the puck uh battle i don't know what it was at the end of the game but at one point they had an advantage of four minutes which is a lot of minutes it's a few minutes i'll watch a game and i'll be like oh man this team is kicking the crap out of the other team and the difference is like 45 seconds yeah like it's it's really not that big So for four minutes, like that win had, it was really reminiscent of, I thought, the first round last year against the Lightning, where they just hung around.

They did their best to keep it all to the outside. They did their best to make Samsonov's job as easy as humanly possible. He did. And he did a great job when it wasn't easy. A really good job. And they took advantage of their chances. and so you know i want to talk about that first power play goal from tyler bertuzzi he had to but i think it's important to talk about john tavaris because you talked about last week you

guys uh about how john tavaris showed leadership when he said yes i will drop down and play with two rookies while max domey gets to play with bertuzzi and nylander no problem and he's making the line work it's it looks great okay so also sort of lost in that shuffle is that tyler bertuzzi is now on pp1 um in front of the net in tavaris's spot and he's really good at it so how big is that goal and how so that goal doesn't happen if john tavaris is like hell no that doesn't seem like a john thing right well nick uh nick laflame on twitter had i thought the tweet of the night it was uh the leafs trade deadline is their own players getting good and i mean he might be right but we've talked about it for a few weeks now like if regression is a real thing tyler bertuzzi is

going to win the conspire trophy like he's just been so horrifically snake bitten and that was his best game as a leaf like even outside of the hat trick just uh dropping into the butterfly and making uh ridiculous uh blocks and even without his stick and i'm screaming at him to go get a new stick and then he's doing stuff without a stick and he's he's incredible yeah he's he was good at uh both ends and you just sometimes you just need confidence someone has obviously told him listen your only way through this is to shoot your way through it right and he is shooting more and getting stoned more and missing more but the only way to get your confidence back is to score so they put him on pp1 and it's not just like it's not a charity case he's good there like when he

scored his first couple goals at the beginning of the season he was on the power play if if i remember correctly he didn't have his first even strength goal as a leaf until like american thanksgiving christmas uh something like that uh you know he's he's a good power play guy and i I mean, you should be able to thrive on this type of power play. Yes. Tavares can do the things that Bertuzzi does in front of the net on the power play. You like him to have a little bit more space so he can use that shot. Bertuzzi is a pig at the trough, and he's just there to gobble up the slop,

and he's done an incredible job. He also scores the first goal of the second period. With the power play stuff, I thought Mitch Marner, said something fascinating after the game when he was asked about JT moving down he said that middle position on the power play everybody around the edges wants the puck so you often don't get it there and when JT's there it's kind of a dark hole and like he wants to score on the power play he wants to get those points as well but he's not going to get them from those positions so it's kind of it makes more sense to have somebody there who's not necessarily searching for the puck but

can clean up the garbage so it kind of works better having JT on the second unit and he can kind of handle that and he can actually control the puck with the second unit as opposed to putting him there being in the garbage position because you should have somebody there who doesn't need the puck to pass around like Willie wants it Marner wants it Austin wants it you have those three guys already you don't need JT out there as well to try and get these shots have somebody out there who's willing to get into the dirty areas in the middle there and you can I think experiment with these things a little bit more freely when everyone is so terrified of Austin matthews there was uh every time he raises his stick you can see oh he does it all the time now

it's just faking people oh 100 i don't remember which bertuzzi power play goal it was um but like they're terrified of the guy like he absorbs all the oxygen in that situation um and bertuzzi on at least one of his goals was wide open because i don't know we got to stop that freak we have to stop that actual freak of nature who has 52 goals already right so there's a little bit more freedom bertuzzi gets the uh gets a even strength goal hey uh in this economy let's go i know i know and here are the assists okay uh so the assists on the first goal are marner nylander second goal nylander domey and that line man they're so fun it's a good line they're fun they're a lot of fun And by the way, I low-key saw Nylander out walking his dogs this morning.

I won't say where, but he... Actually? Yeah, he was just out walking his dogs. Love that. Yeah, I was walking in the streets of Toronto and there he was, just being chill. Was he walking like he was on a 7-0 tear? Pretty much, yeah. And he should, he should.

You know, Bertuzzi is a... Bertuzzi getting that goal as well, I think it's important because, you know, power play goals are one thing, but they do, for whatever reason, look at even strength goals as if they're a bit better. and I think it's important that he gets that even strength number as well because teams are looking at it internally. Yeah, Adam, forget

the even strength of power play goals. Listen, it's 7 degrees Celsius in Toronto today. Was he wearing shorts? No, no, he was wearing shorts. That's all people wanted to know. Damn. I tried. I got the information for you. Jesse and I, in a different area, used to

see him in the mornings too. You remember that? I thought you were So you weren't downtown this morning I was downtown but not in that area Not in the area we used to see him I don't want to say where it is It's not nice He lives at the Hockey Hall of Fame

No Scotiabank Arena He just came out of his apartment in Scotiabank Arena And that's where it is He lives in the dressing room When they play the Raptors game it's kind of awkward Because his kitchen's there So they gotta play around him They're like what's up Willie

He's like hey guys He's sitting up crazy with his pads, with his like all his gear on eyes open, smirking. Yeah. So so then you got Marner getting a goal, which we love. Rantanen ties it up in the third. And then Bertuzzi with the power play goal, as we mentioned, with Rantanen's puck over glass penalty. And again, Nylander Matthews. I mean, I mean, Matthews only getting his 25th assist of the year.

Guys can't win the Hart Trophy when you only have 25 assists. What a greedy piece of crap. Also, a little bit of symmetry. 52 goals, 25 assists. Oh, I like that. Exactly. Jesse, do you care about that? The 52, the 5-2, and the 2-5?

Oh, I was like, the math doesn't matter. There's no math. You're just turning around the numbers. There's a 2 and a 5. It's numbers with an artistic flair. All right. Yeah, he asked for a 13, but he drew a 31. A little bit of that.

A little bit of that. I think it's gone underrated. It's his best defensive performance as well with Bertuzzi. He looked fabulous out there. Season high in blocks. like just something small like that it's like oh yeah he's yeah extra effort on his birthday put in those goals it was it was a very fun game from batusi now the the counter argument to that is oh please make it sad what no the counter argument to uh a team coming up with a bunch

of blocks because the leafs came up with a ton of blocks the other team's shooting the other team's shooting they have the puck and it's not good but i mean the other option is to simply i mean yeah get the puck i'm sorry but what if you can't i'm sorry steve how did the game end no no with a lead jesse victory this is it not important for teams to win games like this i'm not the devil i'm simply his advocate okay okay i'm just playing devil's advocate right here okay i am uh i'm just saying the argument against that is you shouldn't be the one doing all the blocking but who doesn't friggin love when their team does that oh yeah and i think it's important for people to realize like you're never going to out chance the other team every single game you're deserved to win

always won't be at a hundred percent and sometimes when the other team looks a lot better than you like the abs did the entire third period up until the leafs scored you got to find a way to win those games and that's how good teams win in the playoffs even when you might not have it even when the other team looks better than you you grind it out and you win it was very impressive to the leafs to do that on the uh fourth game in five nights the last game of a road trip to grind out a victory against one of the best teams the national hockey league there's nothing to complain about there we um we were talking i think on friday about how like shutdown lines aren't really a thing anymore necessarily who did the leafs uh combat nathan mckinnon with it was the matthews

line austin matthews now they did get a goal against the matthews line but producer drew is so funny like he he uses every opportunity to rip on the leafs but mckinnon just blows by riley and he's like yeah it's mckinnon yeah like you can't even brag on riley like it's mckinnon it's you you really saw it at the last play of the game when jt couldn't get it to the empty net shoot it john when nathan mckinnon makes the decision to say i'm gonna go end to end and nobody can stop him no he is saying i'm doing this and there's nobody in the world who's ever going to get in his way and you just see like he plays hockey at a different level like i don't care who we want to compare him to he's at a different level and just during the game if he

does these things what can you do and this is why you don't eat chocolate bars in season kids yeah right you don't eat chocolate bars you don't have a beer you'd be like nathan mckinnon and not a single calorie goes to chickpea pasta so drew send your food back i'm sorry i enjoyed this too much drew's right to not criticize riley there because no defenseman ever is stopping that yeah he fell because he was trying to turn because you can't go backwards faster than mckinnon can go forwards he tried he failed awesome yeah it is what it is and then our um miko leckanen scored yeah you can't you kept doing that during the stream i can't believe miko leckanen is my favorite player i can't believe i did it again i can't believe it again i'm so upset uh so upset

Do really love Leafs-Avalanche matchups. Just fun. That was a good game, man. It was a really, really good game. Both games this year have been good games. Yeah, I'm trying to... I know I got really upset about how the Leafs lost the first game. If I remember correct, they were very even,

and they just sort of blew it in the third. The Leafs had the lead early on. Yeah. Wow. It's like the same game happened, but in reverse, and the Leafs were at home, and now the Avs are at home. Now, the one thing I haven't looked up is Austin Matthews' splits, his goals and assists and everything since I went on that little rant about how he's not in the same class as Nathan McKinnon and Connor McDavid. He's obviously, you know, decided to – there's no way his goal scoring hasn't gone up.

Right. Like, since then. Yep. He's a lunatic. And one of the things I forgot about that rant is it was partially based off of Sheldon Keefe going, yep, Nathan McKinnon, Kel McCarr, they're in another tier. And I'm like, cool. They all make like, well, McCarr, at very least, makes less than a large. Don't even think about it.

Number of the guys in your team. Don't kill the vibe. No, I know. I know. I'm just. But now here we are. A couple months later, they've won seven straight. Blocking shots, kicking ass, scoring goals.

all throughout the lineup i'm feeling pretty good and they're getting saves how do you feel about this maple leafs have recalled goalie joseph wall from his conditioning stints i feel incredible about that and i'm fascinated to see what's next um yeah because they there's the martin jones angle and i've been on the boat of listen if you can't keep martin jones trade martin jones well so they've they've sent down marshall refi they've sent down um max lejoie i assume mark giordano will be back soon uh mark giordano's at practice today excellent good that's good news um i i'm i'm can i be honest yeah concerned about what happens to the defense pairings when giordano comes back in the lineup because they've been working so well you better put them with

riley i would put him with riley yeah okay do they play well together um does it matter i feel like please just don't split up the other four as geo i feel like he's played on the right although So I don't, listen, I'm not saying it's a good idea. Pretty sure he did in Calgary. Yeah, I know he's had stints. Riley has too. Listen. Listen, you don't move Riley off of his position.

He's Morgan Riley. They need, it seems like, it's not that Lagasin's played poorly, but I look at Lilligran Brody, I look at Benoit McCabe, and they plunk Riley with Lagasin. and to me i was like oh good that means they're gonna do something that's what it felt like to me too yeah like this is clearly what this is going towards they're gonna make a move for a d partner for riley probably a right hander um that'll help geo doesn't really have a place not right now like i would just i would love everything to just stay the same because it

is working it looks good i agree shoehorning geo somewhere in there doesn't make sense but That's Keefe's move. He loves doing that. He loves shoehorning. The only reason to shoehorn Giordano in, well, one, you got to get him a game. I like the idea of him and Lagasin splitting time and Gio being ready for the playoffs.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But also, I don't know the math. So you've recalled Wohl. If you want to keep Jones, does that mean you have to send down Lagasin? i don't know the answer i'm just throwing it out there that might be something that i guess it has to clear waivers though right my it depends the last time he cleared because

he cleared last time okay so then he might still have like they might be cleared and he can just go up and down if it was less than 30 days ago so i don't know the answer there i don't know yeah i don't know either um to answer your question steve on january 16th drew livingstone producer drew tweeted out that uh you said it's not fucking close steve dangle comparing austin matthews to nathan mckinnon that's not true that was january that's not what you said he said it's not f percent here i need my percent dollar sign ampersand ing yeah why are you putting words in my mouth also is that really what you said do you want to play it i think so okay we'll do the whole thing so on january 16th or around that time on the podcast you said this and drew tweeted it

matthews is such a special player and the way he scores goals seems to be so effortless see a more dominant player than nathan mckinnon no no it's easy to think that until you watch them play each other and you realize yes there are indeed tears to this it's not fucking close matthew i need a haircut i agree like i think that was uh i think you're correct but since that moment that drew tweeted that out we have the numbers austin matthews is has 29 points nathan mckinnon has 26 points austin matthews has 19 goals nathan mckinnon has 15 goals and in terms of assists it's 10 to 15 in favor of mckinnon so 29 to 26 on the point tally is the main thing we're looking at can can you who has uh the next highest goal total when we start by goals is it

caprizov caprizov's got 13 no one's really close eh yeah with matthews no and willie's one of the closer ones with uh there's very few players with 10 or more and willie's one of them it's nice to see him bust that slump too there you go so matthews is plus 17 in his last 16 games it's a lesson no penalties holy shit you gotta keep trashing austin matthews and eventually uh he'll keep playing matthews has as many even strength goals uh as kaprizov has total goals in this stretch he's a mutant he's an absolute freak do you agree with what you said at the time yeah that's allowed to change right what about now uh what about now he's become a more dominant force of nature um and listen head-to-head matchups matter and i was going by that head-to-head

matchup the team was not going through a very good patch um they played the avalanche it wasn't a good loss like oh yeah but they were good most of the game yeah that those losses are more frustrating do you see how that's more frustrating um and he's been the most dominant goal scorer in a sport that is decided by who scores the most goals yeah that's crazy wait are you saying goals are more important than i i am saying are you jumping on i'm jumping on more important than assist i've always been riding shotgun in that bandwagon yeah yeah yeah all right i've always been riding shotgun with you buddy uh i think the names that are around uh matthews and caprizoff are very interesting they include jonathan marcheseau joel erickson eck zach hyman nick

suzuki erickson yeah that's crazy good for him this is since january 16th the goals leaders that's i think that's that's a very out there list doesn't it also show you like matthews having what would it have been 33 goals at that point 16 games ago was impressive but but he has nearly 20 goals he's got nearly 20 goals since like that and and it's not that it's not that it wasn't impressive he was still leading the league but like you it goes to show that since Christmas, I guess since mid-January, how enormously dominant he has been. And I think sometimes,

and where this frustration comes from, it's not, it's funny because it's always perceived as, oh, they think the Leafs aren't good or Steve thinks the Leafs aren't good or whatever. It's frustrating because sometimes you're like, I know they're much better than this. And this seven game winning streak is proof of that. The reason we were hard on them before this

is because we knew they were capable of more than that. I'm going by what I'm seeing. Have you noticed I haven't done a ton of complaining over the last seven games? They're playing great. If you want to pull back and talk about the winning streak as a whole, I think it's a little embarrassing that since you've been at Toronto Maple Leaf, you haven't had a seven-game winning streak, Austin Matthews? Well, I don't think that's him.

We got to this point with this roster and the construction, and it's the same core four, and you haven't put together seven games in a row? I was shocked. i was i was shocked that the entire time why were you shocked because he's so freaking good exactly right so that's the point i'm trying to make yes like that's why when we talk about our disappointments with the team because this is what they should be like this is you these were your capabilities and now we're here and it's awesome the whole time i've done lfr they haven't had a win streak this long that's crazy the whole time i've done lfr they've never scored nine goals

at home until they just did during the streak also crazy it's i was uh a buddy of mine went on uh i don't think he would mind me telling the story a buddy of mine went on a first date his first date she said she'd never been she hadn't been to a leaf game for 20 years and the first game she went to in two decades was the 9-2 win over the ducks amazing and i go do you understand it's been like two decades since they scored that many goals at home and like there were all these different stats i was like the odds of you being at that friggin game are millions to one it's impossible and you were there for a like by the end of the game the whole section knew what was going on she was like in tears it went really well it was a really good first date

Let's have some fun. Let's do that. We do a little trivia. Jesse, Steve. Name five players on the roster the last time the Leafs had a seven-game winning streak. Can I ask the year? 20 years ago. 2004.

Oh, it was 2004. Oh, my God. Matt Sundin. Matt Sundin is a good one. He played that game. That's a free square. Was McGilney still on the team? No.

Curtis Joseph. No. no ed belfor yep joe new and dyke yep gary roberts yep not mccabe yeah mccabe mccabe oh yeah name five more we already got five thomas caberly yes there you go ken clee ken clee kenny clee babe die not babe die not babe die no there's one that's really important i'm looking for one name Oh, Michael Telquist. No, not him.

Why? I'm pretty sure he was on the team. I'm sure he was on the team, too. I only have the starting goaltender. But I'm not looking for fucking Michael Telquist. Why not? Why is that? Why would I be looking for a specific name, guys?

Come on, think. Because you're a dick. Think. Ty. Ty Domi. Guess who scored in that seventh game? Ty? Ty Domi.

There you go. No way. Or Ty Domi, if you're Don Cherry. Ty Domi. Ty Domi scored. Yeah, he scored a goal. uh brian marchman scored a goal and gary roberts and so did matt stajan and matt sandin so yeah five goals and i wanted to mention this too all retired uh uh thomas cabriolet being on

that team i cannot believe that a team that that was that good and had no salary cap still employed aki burke don't understand it and guess what he led the team in plus minus that night so of course he did um i also think it's important that you know that joseph wall coming up you're probably like well he had a conditioning stint how did he do well he won and he faced 36 shots and stopped all but one of them with for a 973 save percentage so it's safe to say he's pretty good and the marley's just so you know aren't so no uh that's why he faced 36 shots i mean the numbers tell you the story but if you watch some of the highlights like they didn't make it easy on him i think there were nine i want to say nine laval power plays oh my goodness it was a lot it was they haven't

had a good year and like a lot of their best performers are not even prospects um it's tough like joseph blandese logan shaw guys who don't have nhl deals yeah the guys who are fever bellows they're gonna be in the ahl for a while yep maybe i joseph blandese is fascinating to me because he was such a effective rat like early in his career i want to say for the devils he was for the devils yeah yeah i was just i was surprised he kind of fizzled he's basically the guy they use on their social media all the time too he's always like singing before the game yeah seems like a riot like a fun guy seems like a good uh good mood good good vibes guy just like domi does seems like a good vibes guy so great singer do you know how the playoffs in the ahl work because it's

weird right uh i forget yeah i don't know they also change the rules a lot yeah and it's kind of hard to pay attention and then like the divisions are a little different and i don't know i was gonna say they're the fourth in the north division but i don't really know what that means is the first round still five games i don't know i hate that i think it i hate i hate um five game first rounds i hate that the nba had that up until what 15 years they did and i always hated it yeah yeah raptors kept getting losing yeah except that one yeah it's philly when they uh when they lost to the knicks a bunch of years ago that was brutal little era there Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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canadian national anthem before every game because of the connection to southern ontario i didn't know that oh sabers yeah no they've been doing that for a long time yeah every game they sing the i think that's so cool because most american teams are like oh canada anyway can we get to the star spangled banner like like the way that american singers sing the canadian national anthem is so it's like just don't do it i know and so i talked about it's so lovely that the sabers do that i'm pretty sure we've talked about have we i don't know because like i knew that so like i did not know that did not but that doesn't mean that we didn't talk about i think we might have talked about i don't know wait that the sabers do it yeah that they sing national anthem i mean i wasn't

listening did you guys see did you guys see the holy crap battle of alberta saturday night uh i saw the uh the flames looking pretty good like we discussed i know there's still five points back of a playoff spot but man they've been playing well what what a game like first off i've never seen connor mcdavid get hit he doesn't get got a lot no but he got got like blake coleman got him and matthias yanmark who oilers fans have been on forever uh according to oilers fans finally did something oh yeah and fought him later on but he like conrad david's too fast to hit usually blake coleman really got oh yeah it was i was crazy and i and adri is back well that that he's been a point of game player if you're if you're so this is the interesting thing for calgary because

Because they're deluded enough to think that this is a team. It's not a great conference, man. It's not a great conference. You do have a chance. You do have a chance. Two of the teams in the West who are hottest right now are the Flames and the frigging guys who couldn't go see U2. The Preds. Vindication.

So it worked. Good for Mary Cross. Andrew Burnett and Barry Trucks. Wow, that's so great for them. Since U2 gate, the Predators are 5-0. Wow. Man, they really showed them. It couldn't have been two or three bad games in a row

that happened over 82 games. That's so many games. You're right. It had to be canceling U2. That's what got him back. You're right. I'm glad you admit that. Wow.

That's good. Can you clip that? Wow, what great management. I can't. I don't even know how they do it. It's amazing. I love Barry Trotz, by the way. I just think that that was the wrong call.

But the Battle of Alberta was an absolute classic. That was awesome. All the way through. By the way, Zach Hyman with goals 36 and 37. stupendous outrageous stupendous player like i just love him i love him man like all he's done whose career arc looks like this like whose career arc just continues to go and go and go and you're supposed zach how old is he 31 he's supposed to be slowing down he's he just keeps getting better yeah every single year his goals per game over his career i would love to know

what that is like there's no way it hasn't gone up each and every oh he's another guy who doesn't get a lot of assists selfish player selfish 37 goals 19 assists he like i've told the story lots of times but i i hope oilers fans like this story i don't know if he's changed it but when he was a rookie or a sophomore i asked him how he tapes his stick and he's like i don't put a ton of effort into it and i'm like why and he's like well because i'm in the corner so much it just the tape job just gets ruined anyway so this guy like he's basically got a it's not a hockey stick as much as it is a javelin and he's just going into the corner like that and he was such a mucker and grinder and he's turned into an absolute goal scoring force yep he uh his his second goal

is a career high for a season so he had 36 last year 37 this year and that is the highest he's ever scored oh zach zach zach zach i mean oh boy if the oilers win it all there are gonna be happy tears followed by profoundly sad tears i won't be sad be happy for him guy deserves it and i you know what listen i want the leafs to win the cup i want them to win i want them to win so bad but i would feel like it's a crime if conor mcdavid goes his entire career without winning a stanley cup yeah you never know like i can't be a hockey fan and not root a little for that you never like obie winning a cup how could you be upset well and when did his come when we were all like oh well i guess he's not getting one yeah like when they

lost in 2017 we're like oh that's it he's not getting one unless he gets traded and then they won good thing they won the next year because they be certainly not going to get one now we we they've been bad ever since that was the most unexpected stanley cup final it was washington who was supposed to be washed versus an expansion team we're never getting that ever again ever yeah you know what put that in that context yeah you're right yeah kind of cool you mean the exact same final is that what we're never getting vegas as an expansion team against Washington in 2017 ever again. Can we get Washington as an expansion team

versus Vegas as an established team? Yes, said Ted Leone. It'd be funny, like... Virginia. 50 years from now, Vegas has, like, two teams, and they have an expansion team, and then it comes true,

and it happens again, and you're sitting there, you're like, with your old, no teeth. And they play me. And they play me on the jungle trip. They play this clip, and you're all,

listen, can you believe it? We've seen it again. It's never gonna happen. there's like a hundred nhl teams they have a second one you're like ah all right alexander ovechkin is 56 years old he's still seven goals back at gretzky but he's he's been going for it for so long how do you not respect it he's averaging 30 seconds a game with the calgary flames i think like i'm not convinced that it's a thing and i don't and i

don't think they should be they just lost three in a row they just won three in a row this is how their season tends to go before this six game stretch they won four in a row and they lost four in a row and they're just very consistent at this and if you look at their numbers they sit uh 16th and 17th and goals four and goals against their power play is 30th in the league the penalty kill is decent it's top uh top five but their numbers don't support them being a good team and there's so many teams in between them that they're fighting for the playoff spot spot with right yeah but this isn't gonna give up you're gonna get a first round pick for a 56 year old chris stanham i think this is the year the rebuild really kicks off in calgary and they got i guess

because they have so many middle-aged guys that they can't really punt on like a full rebuild or anything like that with cadre and huberto and them playing like decently and if they want to keep um rasmus anderson around but i don't think they got it this year for any type of deep playoff run like that like let's not get fooled by a three-game winning streak i you know what i was gonna say jesse uh you're right and my hope uh is that um going into the trade deadline they lose a few games before that because this flames management group is wishy-washy enough at least from the outside to go ah you know what maybe we will go for it let's get drunk and then and let's go do it And then I think, I don't know, I'm just going to do that voice for the content alone.

Like if you're a hockey fan, not a Flames fan, I understand if you're a Flames fan, you want to hold back, hold tight. Although I think most Flames fans are like, I'm ready to move on for the content alone. We need the Flames to go on a bit of a losing streak here, man, so that we can get some selling at the deadline. To give you an idea of how little runway there is, how many games of the Flames have before the trade deadline? Four.

Four. Oh, four. Oh, I thought I got. Oh, good guess. four four adam also a good guess wow i said it before jesse did they they got the kings uh the kings at home they have a big game pittsburgh at home two teams desperately needing a win um seattle i mean they're pretty much cooked if they do much more losing and uh tampa on the road yes it's so game before that's i think the right there what you just said about

seattle is the perception of teams and where they are based on how they just played the seattle kraken if they win one more game are tied with the flames in the stand yes they have a game in hand and they'll both be at 61 points i mean losing losing or winning that game definitely helps direct you so like if we're talking about oh calgary you know they're in it seattle sits right behind them they're back two points and they have a game in hand so they can tie them so both teams are in it i mean if you just said seattle's like on the brink of losing it then so are the flames a responsible management group would have their minds made up already yes like just they would have had it made up a while because the direction when you're talking about

you know because like a a retool right is a years-long process whether or not so if you're If you're the Dallas Stars, Colorado Avalanche, Toronto Maple Leafs, I'm just trying to think of Vegas Golden Knights, Vancouver Canucks, Edmonton Oilers, those guys who have an outside shot, an outside or an inside shot at the Stanley Cup. Legitimate, right? People are like, yeah, Boston Bruins, Florida Panthers, that sort of thing. Those teams have to make a decision that matters for weeks.

Teams like Calgary, Nashville, Seattle, please, God, get joey decor to backup goaltender please get joey decor to backup phil phil did you hear that i know he's playing himself into martin jones territory it's crazy he hasn't been good for years like it's like cam ward back in carolina it's like when was the last time this player was good um and i anyway long story short calgary's got to be looking at this in years well they cannot be looking at this in weeks they cannot be looking at it in months this is a year's process and what they do now will set them up for this new arena. And again, that's a major milestone.

Murray Edwards isn't spending half the taxpayer dollars on that for no reason. Right? Like, I don't think the Flames selling this year is an admission of anything, really. Like, if they sell, they can be a really competitive team next year. You need to do what makes sense. so if you're not able to re-sign uh Elias Lindholm which is obviously the conclusion they came to all right let's get a real good deal for him did they not get a real good deal yeah and Hannafin who scored two Saturday night there you go there's a guy you get real good deal if you could listen

I know we keep having the conversation you know can you keep them whatever I think the flames are well did you hear Hunter Ryan Singh and and Louis DeBrus talk about it they were talking about it as he's like they're really he's really professional about the way he's handling it but knowing that he won't be here like knowing that he won't be it was basically like even they've accepted well then you gotta get but then the flames are like you know we're trying to sign i know i know i like yeah i think that's all leverage okay good that's all yeah i think we're coming to that conclusion that they're talking publicly because they know he's gotta go i mean like i don't think it would be a defeat if over the next what is it 10 days a little bit more um i don't think it's a

defeat if the flames announce a couple re-signings like they just need answers who i don't know like even even i don't think this is a good idea necessarily i'm just saying even if they announce hey we've re-signed Chris Tanev like you just can't lose these guys for nothing yeah I yeah I get it because at least there's an answer at least you know like this guy is on the team and he's gonna stick around and we're not just walking him to free agency yeah yeah at least there's a decision made yeah you lose Tanev you have you I know he's old but you do have to replace him like you just you know you need an answer right an answer and if you like learn from the islanders you know learn and from many years with the leafs like don't lose hannifin for

nothing if you don't have a deal by you need a you need a date like you need an ultimatum date if we don't have a deal by this date we gotta get something yeah you gotta get something for and i don't think like if they were to resign hannifin or they trade him at least they made they set their course on a direction you know you said it like he's going to stick around he's going to be through this process at least we know we're doing that or we moved him we didn't get anything the the inexcusable thing would be to walk these players free agency because you believed in the roster that'd be ridiculous you can get futures for these guys and if you want to compete next year you can trade those futures like you just you need to acquire assets you lose this player

for nothing that does you no favors like okay it gives you more cap space for free agency where you notoriously have a really frigging hard time recruiting guys and when you do you have to overpay it's not good to lose these guys for nothing get something um i don't know if the leafs game was soon as it was over went right to the end of the canucks bruins game and the canucks are down two to one they pull the goalie with like three minutes to go or whatever it was score and then win it in overtime literally stole the game from the boston bruins as a vancouver canucks fan that has to feel really good anytime you get to beat the bruins well and but like that you bust the slump there too if it was a four games yeah yeah no it's got to feel awesome that

was that was to me that end of the game felt like playoff hockey oh 100 everyone league-wide is ramping it up all the games mean and the refs are backing off that's that's that are they ever the refs are uh the refs basically treat playoffs like it's a vacation right so oh man they have the best seats in the house they worked really hard they they you know it's like it's like how most people handle the week they work really hard monday tuesday wednesday and then thursday friday it's like ah it's basically the weekend all right honey handle the season all right honey i'm going to tell a bunch of guys whoa hey oh hey after whistles for two months whoa hey oh hey before uh doing nothing uh um did you guys read uh chris johnson's uh never piece on yeah i can't

stan do you read his piece about the jets uh i haven't had the opportunity so so basically the the the long and the short of it is after covid uh the winnipeg jets um stopped selling out and they had x amount of season tickets i do know of this story and and it went it went from 13 500 sellout every year to about 9 000 and what mark chipman was saying to um to to cj and mark chipman if you don't know is one of the owners one of the board of governor uh members he was in the concourse during the games asking people why they why or why not they were not season ticket holders and what happened and these sorts of things and he said you know you get every sort of answer from hey i got a couple kids now and i can't go to as many games but 9 000 season

tickets what they're saying is it's unsustainable over the long one of the big reasons they lost a whole bunch from the pandemic through till now and just over the course of all the years the jets have been there is cj it's such great reporting like he was there in winnipeg doing this reporting and talking to him in person it was fabulous he's uh he's been gallivanting yeah he's been around doing these stories but they talked about how in winnipeg it's not the businesses who own the season seats there it is individuals who have pooled it together so it's like three different families and they'll be like okay let's go get season tickets to the jets and eventually they thought they had just had this sustainable business with the community and they're all

pool together and get all these season tickets and we'll be good forever but eventually chipman said he learned that these things break apart because one family has kids and they say oh let's take this away and then once one person leaves these groups that have season tickets it all falls apart so yes they have to go for the smaller packages you get the 10 game and they didn't they didn't offer them no and they they weren't offering they didn't offer season tickets or single game end of story like so now he's been making individual phone calls to businesses being like hey good can we get you on board for season tickets here's some free tickets to the game this year so you can come see us and hang out and everything and he's been calling all the people

as well who dropped out of season ticket and say what happened what can we do to fix this and that's where you learn like and maybe if you just offer different packages i can get those instead and he said you know we for the the way he talked about it's such a business term but he was like he's like the first 10 years we were a service organization now we're turning into a sales organization which is you know what most smaller to medium market teams in the nhl are their sales organizations because you gotta sell the team you gotta try that the jets and and here's what's hilarious about the way that they they treated it his admission of that to me is is sort of i love the candidness of it but i also see how flawed that they were in their approach because no business

no business can expect that type of behavior for decades you got a decade of the same type of behavior where you sell out season tickets every single game and then something that changes the world like covid comes in yes which you can't account for the idea in a population base that size that that was going to continue forever and they would never have to change things is a flawed business plan. And even the Leafs, I know the Leafs have the population base. We have so many people here.

You could easily support another NHL team in Southern Ontario. No problem whatsoever. And in fact, I think it would probably make the Leafs better because it would make them more competitive. Ideally. The Leafs, you can go and buy a flex pack.

You can go buy 10 or 15 games. And Jets, you can't. Jets, you could not. And he said, we were a service organization and we weren't a particularly good one. and so now they're having to go out and and he said one of the interests jesse i don't know if you got this part of the article if you remember it when you read it because i just read it this

morning um last night the the one that blew me away is the guy that canceled his season tickets because the jets offered a discount on tickets yeah he was so steve it's fascinating he was in the he was in his section and he has season seats and the guy next to him was like yeah i got in for some uh discount code beer and like i bought a pizza and it came with a free tickets or whatever And that dude was pissed because he's like, I paid full price for my 41 games ahead of time. And this guy's getting in for discounted tickets and stuff. So when Mark Griffin called him up, he's like, I canceled because I was upset that people were getting in for discounts because I'm just going to do that instead. So this is fascinating for me because I admitted that I haven't had a chance to read this yet.

But I've seen the reaction to it. like as soon as you started talking about it i'm like oh yeah the the takeaway um that i've seen is people didn't like him talking about and maybe this wasn't cj's piece the the they didn't like mark shipman talking about listen if this keeps up we're gonna have to look at something else basically was the quote that wasn't like i don't adam i don't know about you but i didn't get that that was the whole no no that was the takeaway that a lot of people have yeah yeah i think that was what a lot of people thought i think so here's here's the thing i like i saw a lot of this online like people were going in on cj a little bit for it i'm like fucking relax everybody gary betman is

going to be um is going to be in winnipeg tomorrow to meet with the sponsors so it's serious enough that gary betman's flying in for it and they're like and and the reason people are mad it's not that they're mad at cj or they're mad at the jets or they're mad it's being reported they're mad because it's a tinderbox and they acknowledge that in the article this city already lost this team yes and no one wants to hear this shit now no one wants to even hear a whisper of this and the reason for that is because of what the nhl has done with the coyotes right you put it that that team has been on life support for 15 years plus and the nhl has lost more money on the coyotes than they could hope to make back.

But they lost it in the hope that there would be profit in the future because it's such a massive television market. Now, people give me shit every time I say the metro market is like fifth or sixth in the United States. As far as televisions, we're talking about televisions.

I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about television and television revenue. It's like the fifth or sixth biggest market. I'm not just talking about Phoenix. I'm talking about the surrounding area. Adam's right. And if he was wrong, they'd be gone already there's so much money in that area yeah if you've ever been to scottsdale

you know what i'm talking about there's so much money there that's why they've kept them there that same potential doesn't exist in winnipeg and that is why it's extraordinarily important i think cj because i didn't know this was a problem i think cj bringing this up talking about this i think mark chipman agreeing to do the interview is good because you do in a situation like winnipeg the nhl is not going to come to your rescue the way that they did with the coyotes encouraging to hear him making phone calls oh 100 i should get a story about that um but i don't get to it in a second but i think i'm not saying that they're gonna move next year no i'm saying that for this team to survive and so is mark chipman it's got to get into the 11 or 12 000 season

seats sold end of story because when you just take arizona out of it the winnipeg jets have the worst attendance situation in the league they are averaging 13 000 fans which is 31st just ahead of the Arizona Coyotes. So it's really last. So it's really last. And so if you just objectively look at it, it's the worst attendance situation in the league. So it should be a problem and should be something

that Gary Bettman is looking at fixing. Absolutely. And I think that's a very reasonable thing. You shouldn't be upset at it. You should say, oh, they're actually struggling here because they don't have the businesses in Winnipeg to support it. It's less than 800,000 people. Like the surrounding.

Yeah, like that's tiny for a pro sports town. is bigger well this is but but what's interesting is winnipeg winnipeg proper and boston proper are not that different yeah but the boston metro or boston surrounding area is one and a lot of head offices in boston a lot like there isn't that same there aren't a lot of like head offices in winnipeg manitoba and it's not that's not to denigrate winnipeg it's just not the way the business community set up here now now there is i think another factor here not to be like to tiktok algorithm about this but um like one thing a lot of people have been saying for a long time years and years especially since covid what part about we're broke don't you understand

like dude a lot of people were thriving prior and aren't now and a lot of people weren't thriving prior and definitely aren't now and that is an enormous factor i'm willing to bet um numbers are softer in a lot of other markets as well and there's a refusal and the jets they talk about this in the article the some of the expensive seats are going to get more expensive but some of the cheaper seats are going to get less expensive yeah okay so they'll charge more for the premium charge less for the cheaper seats and in the hopes that more people will come the reality is steve you're absolutely right and no government wants to admit it except for japan and great britain apparently but we're in a recession we're in one and you can give me you can throw the

s&p at me you can throw i listen we're living it uh we're a small business in it i i can tell you that companies are acting in every sense like we're in a recession you don't need the government to tell you you know and and so the inflation's out of control employment's an issue uh i don't blame it's not like this is on the city of winnipeg this is you know the reality is that the winnipeg jets at their best were still lighting 25 million bucks on fire every year yeah it was it was never a profitable franchise but that was never the point you you mentioned the way they're running their business early on i think that's such a key in that marchman's admitting uh that they were wrong in that admitting defeat they had 332 consecutive

sellouts when they got back to winnipeg and they thought that would continue forever yeah and that is a bad way to run a business and things happen and you don't continue to sell out games 300 in a row this is one of the most relatable stories i've ever heard about an owner like usually it's meh and like they're just scrooge mcduck and i'm just gonna charge everyone more for less the fact he's getting on the phone and going through the concourse is crazy i love that yeah i actually i i like there's an effort so there's an effort there which i think is kind of refreshing i still would like him to pay for my grocery i've never talked but like it's refreshing i've never talked about this uh but i was in um i was actually at a winnipeg toronto game last season and this is

where in toronto yes and and uh i was there with a uh sponsor of our content and they also sponsored the jets and so i was invited along um and what was interesting about it is that you know if if the toronto maple leafs montreal canadians edmonton oilers calgary flames vancouver if they were going to have a big party get together for their sponsors they would probably you would think have it in their city the winnipeg jets had it in toronto what and and that's because most of the jets corporate sponsors head offices are here oh weird right and i think that does happen more than often i would think ottawa would do something similar i don't know but i think i just want you to understand that the business for the jets is not the same as everybody else and and so what

the nhl now needs to do uh because there's more to this particular franchise this is a really special franchise then then i think um like i think if you if you don't do everything you can and i'll give gary betman credit he's going to meet with the sponsors he's going to talk to them about it that sort of thing if you don't do everything you can uh from a corporate level to try to keep this team in winnipeg and that includes the nhl you're risking alienating a good chunk of the base in this country because when the jets and by the way the jets are humming they're going great i mean they're going to be a stanley cup contender you got to think right i hate that this is the the jet story it isn't the jet story long term i don't think it's the jet story

right now though right you know what i mean the jets the story should be they're a cup contender yes and they are and they got one of the best goalies in the league uh and they're the contract they signed him and shively two are ridiculous and it's all great i'm pissed at adam lowry i i I streamed him in fantasy and he, on Friday, he had a game where he just ran cardio. Literally zero shots, zero,

zero, nothing. Just fucking cardio. Okay. We're going to climb the mountain. We're going to climb. Come on, Larry.

Should have picked up healers. I saw him on the way to do. Decrease the resistance, up the speed, decrease the resistance. We've seen what happens when the, when the jets get into the playoffs and it's a whiteout in that building.

Oh, it's awesome. And I don't think they will have trouble selling that building out in the playoffs. So I might be part of the problem. Here's the thing. If they go on a deep run, I think some of these problems go away. Oh, of course.

I imagine, you know what? Okay, I can go now in February, or I could save up and go in April. Like, that's probably, I wouldn't be surprised if some people on the phone said that. Like, oh, no, no, no, I'm still a fan. I'm just, I'm going to come in the playoffs. Why am I going in February? I think the NHL, they need to treat this differently than they treated the original Jets franchise, than they've treated other franchises in the past. This isn't just a franchise.

This is a community center. And if the NHL leaves again, I think that you will see, and maybe the NHL doesn't care about this, but they should. Canadian teams should care about this. The NHL in Canada, because they've got NBA Canada and NFL Canada. They don't have NHL Canada, and they should. They need a body that's separate from the United States to manage this. NHL in Canada will see a big hit. The passion that Jets fans have for this team,

whether or not they're buying the season tickets, no one's going to doubt it. And so if the NHL goes, you know what? Can't do it. It doesn't matter that there's a business case. People in Winnipeg are going to look at, look what you guys did with the Coyotes, and you couldn't give us a couple years to get out of this recession

and get back to it. look what they cannot do this because you're going to have people that are not hopeful that the jets come back again 15 years from now you'll have people that are going i'm not watching hockey anymore i'll do something else another factor that rogers deal is coming up in a few years oh the rogers nhl deal yeah yeah the more canadian teams the better well yeah yeah and i think i don't think the i don't think the nhl is going to given where the economy's at right now i don't think you know the 5.2 billion that that rogers spent on it yeah whoever gets it next is going to spend about the same it's not worth much more which is a crazy indictment of the deal i also

think it speaks to the transition from television to digital i i think we have to acknowledge the fact in especially in canada and it's coming in the states they just have more scale than we do the transition from television to digital uh and from um written magazine to online website subscription like the athletic um like part of sports net's whole thing its ethos when it when have bought that was it was supposed to be a five prong attack digital radio television newspaper sorry not newspaper um magazine they'd sports net magazine and then a fifth one and it's nebulous and it doesn't even matter what the fifth prong was because i can't even remember who cares the only two things that matter now show me show me yeah the only two things that matter now

shut up show me is their former streaming platform let's try this for five seconds and uh and then write off 200 million dollars in losses um the uh the two that matter now the two that matter now are digital and television yes and most people would argue and i would argue that they're the same because how do i watch sports net yeah i watch it on sports net app i have been and and so screaming this since 2008 so so what i think i think that's why that value goes away and and And to your point, Steve, can they even get $5.2 billion if the Jets are no longer here? I would imagine not. Probably less, right?

There's less of it. You know, that's sort of a big deal. If there's not seven teams, there's six. Yeah. Why am I paying more for less? Exactly. Fuck yourself. Yeah.

So all that said, I don't think the Jets are... I think they're going through a hot spot. I think there are times in any business's life where you go through, this is going to be a really hard time. And I think the Jets are going through that. They've got a well-positioned team. Shalvodeov and his crew have done a good job. They've got a great fan base

who's probably personally struggling financially, as many people are. They've got all the potential in the world to turn this around. And they still have 9,000 people buying season tickets every year. It's not like they're at 5,000 and they need 13,500.

They're at 9,000 and they need 13,500. Well, the Leafs line is like, was it a 20,000 people long or something like that? like that's as close to recession proof as you can be yeah like he mentions the leafs in there he's like we're not we'd love to be the leafs yeah like thousands of people could drop off from that line and you wouldn't even feel it you wouldn't even notice it's absurd yeah yeah one thing they also deserve a lot of credit for is that they are willing to spend money to make this

thing work they yes they built the arena for i think it was 133 million dollars and they've already put in 133 million dollars in upgrades to canada life center so they're willing to spend the money they have it and they just need the fan base to like respond with their cash unfortunately and some corporate dollars that's how it works you know you need the corporate dollars to to sustain a business like this and they're hopeful to get it and i think like long term they need to make it work i know they will when mark cuban bought the dallas mavericks they were an also ran they were nothing franchise nobody cared and the season tickets were down he bought it for like 150 million bucks or whatever it was like pocket money one of the greatest investments

like oh pro sports history crazy and and it's interesting hearing him because i like watching mark cuban interviews because he he actually like i remember he was on smart list and they're talking about like you know mark like what would you say to somebody who like wants to become a billionaire and he's like it's pure luck i'm glad one of them said it finally somebody said it but he what he did say was he's like you know i bought the dallas mavericks and i and the season tickets were down. And he's like, I put my office right in the sales pit. Everybody that sold season tickets, he's like, I didn't have an office over there. I had an office in the middle of the sales team. And he said, I started calling people who had canceled their season tickets and said,

hello, I'm Mark Cuban. I'm the new owner of the Dallas. That's what Mark Chipman is doing. And just another Mark, just these marks, man, lots of power. And what's interesting, I thought about that is imagine the power of the owner coming up to you and saying, so i see you've canceled your season tickets why can you can you let me know and you being able to honestly tell them oh i'd remember that i think you'd remember it forever and and this time you can't fault jets ownership for not caring and so and and you saw what happened with the mavs the mavs are a there were religion in dallas but they didn't used to be and i think mark cuban and the way he handled that franchise has a lot to do with it um the community investment in it i want

how many bigger market but oh i'm sure there were plenty oh yeah oh yeah you're the owner of the jets yeah i'm the ceo of freaking uh tim horton hang up the phone adam have you made a phone call have i made a phone call to dennis david kenneth roy thompson third baron thompson of fleet no that would be of the thompson reuters family that that would be david thompson yeah who's that of who's like the 50th richest person in the world also the lord thompson of fleet that's right is that the right and honorable roy thompson i believe is that that's the same family his father i believe david thompson i believe it roy thompson i believe is his dad i don't know the thompson family tree that well but they are one of the obviously he's the third he's the third baron

obviously yeah yeah i have thompson he's got a family fucking title i have thompson in my lineage do i do they owe me money no you don't a lot of this time i do there's a lot it's definitely there's thompson a lot of thompson's out there no it's this one you think it's his yeah i'm trying to i'm trying to make a bag all right mentioned his roy thompson hall that's his grandfather grandfather jesus they've been that rich for that long yeah he's a baron and his grandfather has a theater named after he's the third baron the third baron third of his name yes how do you introduce yourself as a baron i'd be embarrassed i'd be embarrassed you'd be baronist and baronist but like the thompson family here has some play in this whole thing

and that they're gonna spend a whole bunch of money because they would the money doesn't really matter and some of that's gonna go to the jets so there's a way to sustain this thing as long as the nhl is willing to uh allow them to keep this thing going and please call me baron thompson mr thompson is my father remember too as long as i was bad there's an acceptable range where the jets lose money and it's fine yeah yes they're not in that range right now the point of the jets is never to make money the point of the jets like year over year the point is the asset goes up because franchise values are up if that franchise ever became for sale and the nhl allowed it to be moved that that is worth a lot of money and so the the point of the thompson family being involved is

yes we're happy to lose some money on this because the value of the asset is going up and the value of the assets going up but the asset value has to outstrip the loss year over year so your growth percentage year over year has to be less than whatever your burn rate is and that is going to be uh that's going to be the challenge for them sometimes you say things and i realize i'm not a grown-up well it's not that hard i'm just like yeah man all right guess in game let's Go. Guess and game. According to Wikipedia, David Kenneth Roy Thompson, third Baron Thompson of Fleet, is

worth how many USD? 50 billion. Steve? You said that really quick. 51 billion. Steve's closer. Yeah! 61.

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They're number one. They are number one. No, I'm just talking about David. Like David's number one himself. The Thompson clan, though, I think are worth even more than that. Like there's more of them. Yeah, if you put them all together. Yeah.

David individually is 21 in the world, number one overall in Canada. What's the name of the guy who invented Wendy's? Dave Thomas? Dave Wendy? Oh, it's Dave Thomas. Yeah. Dave Wendy. So not the same then.

His daughter's name was Wendy. oh yeah she's yeah she's the soap opera yeah they tried to put her in the commercials for a while and it didn't work they didn't yeah it was like when he died because remember he used to be like wendy's and there'd be this nice old man handing you a burger that was dave thomas no way and then his daughter wendy who actually does have red hair uh who the actual wendy the actual wendy was in the commercials but it just didn't have the same je ne sais quoi you know how infuriating but i'm wendy right and the marketing team's like no so wendy we know you're the owner but you're not helping to sell burgers like that's brutal it's like fucking uh galen weston nobody wants to see

himself no but wait i'll wear a more pretentious sweater each time like they gotta they gotta tell them that we don't want to see you i don't think he's gonna be in their in their in their ad campaigns anymore i think he is because billionaires don't really seem to get it yeah i don't know uh it's a uh it's yeah so we're we're a little off track here uh but we are closing in on a trade deadline that is getting more exciting by the day we actually could have some legitimate names moving um ilia labushkin is boosh on the move do you think oh i want to do you want to do half an hour on it the boosh is loose stop what stop it what the boosh is loose um did you see the so chelios was honored this weekend in chicago uh patrick kane scored the scored the

winner was also honored shouted showtime at the crowd after scoring the ot winner did he actually he did you can read his lips he's going showtime showtime um but i thought did you see the cindy crawford clip yo that's incredible isn't that crazy that's it you got a famous person to take the shot from center ice on the little tiny holes in the net and they scored i can't think of that ever happening before like i've seen like you know the people who won the opportunity to do that yeah or were picked or whatever i don't think i've ever seen a famous person do it no it's pretty cool cindy crawford that's crazy and she was jacked yeah i think everybody would be to nail that but it's cool to see she didn't look surprised no she did been here before i think

she was pretty excited now she's a hockey player act like you've been there um i thought uh it was pretty cool that it was de brin cat to cane in chicago you tell somebody in 20 what uh 19 that that's your 2017 that that's going to be the goal happening in chicago you think oh they kept this band together and they really did it but it was for the red wing you've been in a coma for five years to bring cat to cane in overtime yeah that's not surprising no wait for the next part wait for the next part that was fun and like chris chelios he is he's like the king of the nhl like the dude knows everybody and coming out and what was it cadillac he's played with everyone he's been around for so long it's incredible to see what was that stat that was going around like

jogger played with 35 of the nhl how was the number not bigger for chelios it must be because he played till 26 years he played 40 what 42 41 he played oh he was older his first season he's 62 now he only stopped playing he's 62 now yeah he only stopped playing 14 years ago 2019 so 26 what i was going to ask you about chelios do we ever see a player play 26 years in the nhl again no 26 seasons he played the uh the wear and tear is too much it's just too much do we ever see a player have a beer at the outdoor game and mike babcock benches and admit to it what a legend do you see he took a shot at uh rocky words no what'd he say what was he he was like um we were on a crazy winning streak uh that one playoffs we won uh 11 games in a row and words was upset

because he wanted us to lose more so we'd get more playoff dates i was like fuck yes ellios talk your shit yeah he was not happy about the way they basically booted him out of town oh yeah what are they gonna do take the mic out of your hand right he's your shit he's christopher ellios he can say whatever fuck he wants the fact that he just said that in chicago everybody loved it wayne gretzky's at your retirement i don't even think they played together so no like when like not in the nhl no they're just but the more you learn about rocky wurtz and i think his predecessor uh the the scarier it gets and let me let me freak you out even more you think the nhl has some issues under gary bettman do you know who used to run the league before gary bettman

who the warts family oh lovely because whoever was the the commissioner uh the it was the chicago ownership group which was the warts family uh who had just sold off the bulls by the way a few years earlier some kid named michael jordan who needs him i don't know um i don't know who that is they were the ones that ran the commissioner and then ran the league. The 2009-10 Atlanta Thrashers. Their second oldest player was Vyacheslav Kozlov at 37

years old. Their oldest was Chris Chelios at 47. He was 47! Unbelievable. In the NHL, playing for the Thrashers. At that point, you wonder, like, are his wife and kids like, are you ever coming home? No.

No, I'm not. You really want to play for Atlanta? No, that's why they went to the outdoor game. Isn't the story, didn't his kid get him the beer? Yes, his kid got him the beer. And I shouldn't disparage the wrong Wurtz. It was Bill Wurtz. Oh, Bill. Rocky's the kid.

Rocky's the kid, right? And Bill's his dad. I think it was Bill's dad that was like the one that ran the league for a long time through the commissioner. He was the one that didn't want home games on TV. Yeah, because it's their grandfather, Arthur. And then his son, Bill, took it over. And then Rocky. It might have been Arthur, the grandfather, who originally.

Yeah. I don't know. It might even be the great grandfather because they've owned that team since the 20s. Yeah. Can I read some of these names that Chelios played with as a rookie? Yep. In Montreal. This is the 83-84 Habs.

Larry Robinson. Steve Schutt. Wow. Guy Lafleur. Bob Ganey. Guy Lafleur? Guy Lafleur. He played with Guy Lafleur in his peak or late.

I guess that's late. That's pretty late peak. Yeah. I mean, he was still in Montreal. Yeah, dude. That's absolutely. And another name. Oh, Chris Nyland and Keith Acton, who was the Leafs assistant forever.

Wow. Assistant coach. Like, dude, he's been in the NHL forever. His top penalty minutes accrued came in the 92-93 season, where I believe was just after their Stanley Cup run. He had 282 penalty minutes. Also had 73 points. Chelios cared about just playing the game so much.

He played in the AHL in his second last season. He was with the Chicago Wolves. He just wanted to keep going. And 99% of NHLers, when you're... How old was he at that point? 45? 47. 47 at that point is like okay i'm gonna retire they're gonna send me down to the ahl but he's

like no i'm gonna go play with the wolves and then i'm gonna go to the thrashers and have another shot at this and that's that's just like the man loves hockey yes you know and there's his dedication to it and i don't know about you guys but when i think about chelios i think about a red wing it's so are you really yeah it shows my age i think about a black guy he played he played 10 years in the nhl before i was born yeah no yeah he was with the blackhawks before i was born you know for a long time a period of that and then so when i first think of chris jellios i think about the great runs with the the red wings and that's just kind of like my memories of him and his great play i like i started generating memories like when i was four or five years old

and i came into hockey fandom and he was already a vet yes he was already he was old when i was playing hockey yeah i was in grade one and then he kept going yeah like i said he was one of my favorite players i loved him his debut was uh 83 uh i um i like this uh chelios one of the rookies uh who played one game on his ahl team in his final year ben charotte wow oh my gosh ben charotte who's like also an old guy now in the league and this was 14 years ago did you do the guys he played with in atlanta because that's a whole list of other guys do you have it yeah i've just clicked their team uh you got ron hainsey no way that is one of the highlights nikolai antropoff evander kane colby armstrong brian little pavel kubina clark macarthur johnny oduya and just zach

bagosian zach bagosian yeah andre pavlik pav electric pav electricity baby yeah wow oh my oh my god i remember christoph schubert there are some names there are some names i love uh like whatever this game is hockey db kevin bacon like yeah zach bogosian was his uh d par bearing for a long time it was bogosian and chelsea he played seven games i heard yeah so i heard uh merrick talk about it because he was like because it's the most jeff merrick thing to bring up ever yeah he's like that difference in age is the most age gap you've ever had on a d pairing a 47 year old and a 19 year wow absolutely that's such a merrick thing to bring up but that's crazy what like you can with two degrees connect ben charotte to larry

robinson because because of chris shelly man how come nikolai antropov couldn't have 24 goals into 43 assists with the toronto maple leafs uh they're leading effing score that year yeah because he was their top center go away with kachuk kachuk sorry kovalchuk yeah he's playing with kovalchuk maxim afanaganov hey brian little was on that team damn joanne hedberg and andre pavlik the the goalies this is a great example of uh you ever see i think it's a tumblr post it's uh guys can just get together at a bar just name name old man yo pierre hadin carol pilash carol pilash dude it's one of the Lonnie Bohannas yeah Lonnie Bohanna is the ultimate AHL one of the greatest joys in life dude dude Clark Wilm Clark oh jeez I could do this all day all day Todd Warner Todd Warner

Rhett Warner Rhett Warner big I like that I loved Rhett Warner on the Calgary Flames uh drive for the Stanley Cup in 2004 man it was great um okay so does Chelios get his number retired in Detroit as well um nah no i don't know if he was like he was good in detroit but you can like graded on a curve with nicholas lindstrom on that team right no i don't think so even though he's a part of like the o2 run and all the other ones uh you couldn't it wouldn't be outrageous but i don't think so no okay yeah he won two cups with them right yeah yeah i don't know no two i don't know if it was two i don't think he was there for the 08 08 09 yeah yeah he was there he was there played 14 playoff games yeah yeah get out of here and then yeah he was in the 021 and the uh the 081

and who won who who did they lose to they lost to the ducks in the conference finals in 0607 right yes i believe was that and then the ducks beat the senators yes is that what happened yes yeah so he was a part of that run too so he won three cups yeah three right yeah montreal uh montreal in the 80s three total yeah three total and then two with detroit right anyways we could do this could be a whole show like just clicking on different teams chelios yeah who was on that rock like right now like i'm a sick puppy i'm on i'm on his 2004-05 lockout motor city mechanics team of the uhl i'd like to know from red wings fans how they revere chelios if he's up there with shanny um federoff you know all the all the guys they have see it's complicated with him

because he said he would never play in Detroit when he was a Blackhawk. Yeah, and then he played there for like a decade and won two cups. The Blackhawks fans have never forgiven him for that either. They were pissed. Now they should. They should.

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if you want to subscribe got it this is from commander lurk on our discord do you have a competition going on between the three of you about who can have the worst take this season uh yeah do we i don't i'm not expanding command commander loot it's taking dig at our takes oh okay damn i i don't know if i'm gonna be able to sleep tonight if commander luke doesn't like my shit but also fuck what am i gonna do damn what will i do i don't know man like listen i don't sometimes people say a bad take it's just something they disagree with like i don't know yeah and that's fine yeah man that's fine um i stopped taking that to heart it's okay a long time ago it's okay yeah if imagine if i took all that to heart

i don't think you'd be able to get out of bed i'd be a jittering mess i'd have no hair i don't think there's a single thing that you can say especially in the age of the internet that anybody's gonna agree not that any whole group is going to completely agree with so you just get used to people going i disagree and your takes are bad and f you and then the next day they're back listening to the next show going hey i didn't mind that well like it's just an emotional reaction it's nothing else i used to be a lot uh like it tweets as well but like i used to be like okay if i say this and then they might confuse it for this and i would perfectly craft it and then enough times uh that didn't work where i was like all right you're

wasting your time yeah um listen and like i think we're pretty open with uh admitting we're wrong and like uh wearing it like like okay that matthews clip that went up where i talked about him not being in the same tier as mckinnon and uh mcdavid i got a lot of shit for that and drew was like sorry for uploading that like should i take it down and i'm like no let me i said it i said it into a mic in my own studio on my own show like i'm owning it oh well i called nick robertson the defenseman did i delete the video no i went to peterborough and shot a video with him yeah like you just you gotta wear it yeah you gotta wear it it's okay and you don't i don't know a single person that talks about sports with a microphone in front of them that

hasn't gotten something wrong no you know what i was wrong one i was wrong so replace me with one of the sports personalities who never gets it wrong there's no just just replace me with them so like there's lots of them you gotta remember too like like it's it's yeah this sort of stuff is like how you feel in the moment the one thing i always say about the show is that we're not always right but we are always honest you're gonna know you're gonna know how we feel about something and it's gonna be i'm always right uh okay well you're always right actually most people would say that jesse is the most right i think of the three of them yeah um always right But yeah, listen, the part about being human where not everything rationally makes sense is that's what makes a good show, man.

And by the way, it's okay to have your beliefs challenged. If you have a belief about something and you walk through life and you don't want it challenged, then it's not really a great belief. The whole point about having a belief system or having an argument is that you want to challenge it. Because if somebody's got a better argument, you want to take the better parts of that argument and make your argument better. That's the whole thing. That's why I like debate. That's why if somebody comes at me in the DMs and they're like, hey, love the show, but I disagree with this because of this. I'll go, well, you're probably right about that. That's all right. Yeah. But if you're like, I've had this too, where it's like, you know, go fuck yourself and I hope your

house burns down. I'm like, well, I'm probably going to delete that, right? Like, there's not much you can do with i don't know where we go from here man i had a fascinating exchange um about a month ago where this guy just said like horrible things like he just dm me horrible horrible things and his instagram profile photo had a girl in it like it was it was him and who i assume was his girlfriend and i go hey can you do me a favor like i didn't even respond to what he said i just go can you do me a favor can you show this to the girl in your photo and i'm like okay he's he's gonna burn my house down and uh the next day he's like yeah no she knows like i got like issues and like i'm sorry i should have never done that he was apologizing to the point where i

was like all right that's enough yeah like it's fine it's i've already forgotten about it yeah because if i if i took that with me i'd lose my mind yeah you can't you can't do it dude i used to there's an lfr from my first season uh that isn't there because i deleted it because i couldn't take all the hate comments wow really yes what was it about i i think my words were at the time Ilya Kovalchuk is one of the biggest douchebags in the NHL. Remember, this is the 07-08 season. And I would have worded it differently today. He was a violent player.

He was a violent player, sneaky dirty. But I couldn't face that at the time. I just couldn't face that. Now I'd just be like, lol. And you can't just be reckless with your words. but uh when you're 19 it's a little different than when you're in your mid-30s i didn't know how to take my lumps at the time yeah i didn't i didn't know how yeah and it's a shame i deleted it because like i can't get it back yeah you didn't archive it that video was gone forever

oh i have no idea how to uh i would have to find my computer that sounded like a motorcycle by the time i got rid of it like with the fan oh yeah dude it's a miracle any videos uploaded before i'd say 2013 yeah yeah uh it's okay that you disagree yeah i'm cool with it jesse what about you all right um i don't think you should call me mr right guy when i famously said the oilers would miss the playoffs at the beginning of the season ah yeah nobody's nobody's right all the time yeah we have that yeah we did we had a big debate i was pretty adamant that the math didn't really math when they were so far out and they couldn't do it and then they went on a 16 game winning streak and they overcame the math and i've been hilariously wrong about that i thought

you were saying you said it before the season no oh you're a crazy person oh no no no when uh when they were like at the bottom of the standings when they were losing to the san jose sharks is what i said so anyways next question comes from david sherman i think it's an interesting one if the leafs not that i think all questions are interesting there you go yeah the the leafs are hoping to make a splash if the leafs are hoping to make a splash at the deadline and really push for a cup run could cali yarn croak be a trade chip we've done just fine without him we never trade players when they are at peak value and our four forward lines are clicking really well you are gonna get sweet fuck all for that player you're gonna get nothing for cali yarn croak um

he's in his 30s he has term and he has a good cap hit that's exactly why you should keep him 2.1 million dollars for this year next year and the year after three years well two more after this you don't have to man look at all the ltir holy shit oh my god muzzin murray clingberg yarn crow wool wool i'm surprised he's still on there that's interesting he's got uh he's got play yeah so i i guess when you're on ltir you're allowed to practice before you play um you're not going to get anything for that player i would sooner keep him and make him a healthy scratch than i would trade you wouldn't include him in some sort of package like a team wants back in for like all the positive reasons you gave i think that's something that like a team could take on

and be like we want something like that and maybe you include him as a sweetener in a yes like uh In the same way that Connor Brown was the sweetener in Ottawa, he was fantastic in Ottawa, but the reason you gave him up is so that you could get out from under seven years of Nikita Zaitsev or whatever it was. You take on one year of Cody Cece, lose over half a decade of Nikita Zaitsev. Yeah, I'll give up Connor Brown in order to get out of that.

I would do, yeah, some sort of package involving Cali Yarncroke, but he's such a good player. i'd rather i i i think you're gonna have injuries in the playoffs and cali yarn croak is a guy that has played from the all the way from the first line to the fourth um he also is defensively responsible and if you are playing a team that where you know you need a guy out there who you know like even if you start like even if you left the lines the same and cali yarn croaks on the fourth line wing whichever wing you want to put them on and whoever sits i don't really care um if keith needs a shutdown line cali yarn croak is going out there that's my thought and so i i don't

think i i actually kevin pepetti tweeted something this this morning and he said listen um uh because i don't think cali yarn croak's at the top of his value you know who is simo benoit um i saw that tweet and i uh didn't respond on twitter but i will respond right now i would rather die i would rather die too but he's like but he made a good point um of like listen there's value in a player like that teams would really love a player like that and if it gets you your legitimate top four defense but i would hate it and i know why everybody else would hate it but i just want to say you do have to be open to these types of things when you're in the position the leafs are i agree um but man that would suck outside of rasmus anderson who's available where you would

even entertain that thought oh i don't think there's i don't think there is and also no you know that's a that defenseman is going to be i mean he'd be sought after but i think the leafs are going to be able to get him on a good extension he's still isn't he 25 20 oh he's 25 now yeah 24 25 oh geezer like yeah he was 24 at the beginning of brexit geyser yeah day in the life um yeah no you you got to uh yeah you can't hey trade him i understand here's the deal simone benoit on the roster long term or win the stanley cup well exactly thank you next question jesse uh oh we can have more questions if you'd like yeah i'd like another question all right we'll do yeah we'll do one more let me let me just bring it back up uh steve are you gonna what would you

rather have stanley cup or your son what the fuck my son who will bring me a stanley cup one day that's oh yeah how's how's leo doing us skating uh oh not the greatest but i mean he's three he's he's upgraded to um like last year i was like okay he's two can't really skate i'll bring out that red plastic thing and we'll all have a merry christmas you don't realize that you need a certain amount of strength to even use that and he couldn't like it's just useless i had to break my back this year he can use it um but he's a uh oh man top five kitchen hockey player in the entire world oh man kitchen hockey kicks ass at kitchen hockey what's kitchen hockey hockey that you play in the kitchen okay what's the is the fridge the goal the goal is through daddy's legs oh no matter

what and i try every time and he just he's got he's got a piss missile he's got a one-timer like he's got he's always had really crazy hands i think for his age he's just as soon as he gets that skating figured out i want him to be a better skater than me by the time he's six or seven which i think is very attainable and um then he'll buy me a cottage and win the stanley cup and we'll host a cup party at the cottage there you go all right let's end on this one we can reminisce a little this is from jt on the discord when it comes to the trade deadline deals are made that some people either really love or really hate whether at the time or in retrospect which maple leaves trades at the deadline have you really loved get one to really love and one to really

hate i can start because i was thinking about this i absolutely loved the ryan o'reilly deal last year that was one of my favorite moves the leafs have made in a long long time and i thought he was perfect for the team it didn't work out um because they didn't go on to win the stanley cup or go on the deepest playoff run or keep him or keep him and he ended up not liking toronto and complaining about the media and all that stuff but at the time you baby when at the time when adam was really signed in nashville okay adam was really upset when he made it was on tsm crap it's such crap and he by the way he is right the one thing he did say and he had to go on tsn to back down his comments i always believe the initial comment by the way always believe the

initial comment uh which is you know whenever a person tries to that wasn't really what i was trying to ryan we heard the clip we know what you said uh but he did say something that i think he's right about is they needed to de-emphasize the core and we have seen that play out this year because the core was the only thing getting it done and and uh and now with the depth scoring oh my god we got a team here that looks like it's got something going on well what did they do to de-emphasize the core uh at the trade deadline ryan o'reilly was on a line with nola chari and Matthew Nyes. They acquired an entire new line

ahead of that. Like, outside of Luke Shen, they got O'Reilly and Achari and Nyes out of college. And it might have been Barbashev had they added a Luke Shen. Okay, you guys, one you love, one you hate. All history of

Toronto Maple Leafs. Go back as far as you want. You know what deal, when I was a kid, made me feel like, holy shit, the Leafs are about to win the Cup? Owen Nolan. oh that was a good one yeah losing brad boys was tough though that was tough if you want to talk about a deal where i was like holy shit they're gonna win the cup and they didn't really lose anybody brian leach oh i loved so the brian leach trade was my favorite deadline trade ever yeah here let me um i got it right in front i was about to bring that one wow that's incredible that and

doug gilmore coming to toronto as well was just amazing oh wow they got they gave up nothing they Gave up nothing. Oh, boy. So Maxim Kondratyev, who did play some games for the Leafs, he was a draft pick. Yarko Imanen, so two prospects. A 2005 second-round pick. Michael Sauer.

If I'm not mistaken, Michael Sauer is the guy Dion Phaneuf hit in that Rangers game in Madison Square, and he never played a game ever again. And a first-round pick. Give me that name. Chris Chukko. Chukko! I want to say he was picked by the Flames.

So the Rangers might have flipped this pick. And the Leafs got Brian Leach and a fourth-round pick who they used to select Roman Kuchenberg, who never played for them. Yeah, man. They gave up nothing. They gave up. Well, I mean, a first and a second is a lot.

What it turned out to be. What it turned out to be was nothing. Adam, do you have one you hate? I wanted to, uh, when, when was Alex Dean traded? That was, uh, uh, early in the season. Okay. Him and Koliakovo. I remember hating that trade.

Cause I was like Lee Stempniak and I was right. Um, but that was when the Leafs management was terrible. Um, November 24th, 2008. I never liked, I'll be honest. And I might've been wrong about this because he did have a good first few games until the back injury. I didn't like the Nick Foligno trade as soon as it happened. Yeah.

You were pretty vocal. i thought i thought it was way too much and taylor hall was the guy what and then taylor hall cost the second round pick yep felino cost the first taylor hall was cheaper and anders bjork i know i know like so i yeah there's there's there's there were points in dubas's career here where i was like fucking genius like the the last trade deadline was a masterstroke he was amazing although i think he overdid it like i think he over traded at last year's trade deadline like not that that um Rasmus Sandin is any sort of great player or whatever but I was just like it felt like the Sandin trade for Gustafson and the Washington first was nah there

seemed I thought that there was something else coming nah I think I think he did a great job like McCabe uh oh McCabe was amazing like I thought he did a great job it was amazing I love that trade I uh I still will defend the Foligno deal I thought he was exactly what they needed and he got hurt yeah and i think that's what it was i just never thought in any rel like any rational sense that nick felino was ever worth that package even if he was exactly what they needed you know you know what was uh uh a real whiff from that deal people forget the leafs got another player in that deal no idea so it was a three-way trade it was the blue jackets who gave them felino and the sharks gave the leafs a player do you remember the player he's on carolina's

power play i think on the top unit who stefan nason oh right he even played a game that is a whiff and they completely whiffed he he went to the ahl the next year with the chicago wolves had monster numbers completely broke out and he's never looked back wow good for him yeah one that i like i don't like the fact that he wasn't a leaf eventually but brian burke in february of 2011 on the 18th trading away thomas caberle for joe joe colborne a second round pick which turns into mike winther and a first round pick which turns into ricard raquel which oh no at least ricard raquel not a fan i like the caberle needed to be moved they just couldn't they couldn't draft for shit back then they were a terrible drafting team so boston drafted both those guys

And Ricard Raquel goes on. I think they, did they not trade him? Who did they trade him to the Ducks for? So they traded, it was, they moved up in the draft. They didn't trade Raquel. They moved up in the draft. The Leafs gave the Ducks John Gibson and Ricard Raquel for the pick that they used to draft Tyler Biggs.

What? You should see the lack of soul in Adam's eyes right now. Ricard Raquel and John Gibson for Tyler Biggs. no so i guess it's not a part of his trade history though that's weird well yeah because he wasn't picked yet right right it's just the draft pick that was used that makes more sense yeah ricard raquel john gibson tyler biggs that was the deal like i think i think if you're a if you're a leaf fan and you're born in the year 2000 1998 or later i want you to go back and look at who they drafted from the year 2000

to the year 2015 if you're ever bored at work and you want to do something go look at just go have a look at the drafts here look at the six or seven picks that they make every single year it's just that clip of muhammad ali dodging punches it's just swinging a miss swinging a miss and by the way joe holborn could have been a good player but the leaf screwed up his wrist they didn't they didn't look after he got a wrist injury and their medical staff fucked it up you go back and look at his uh game by game he was i think leading or one of the top five guys in the ahl in scoring he got a wrist injury uh he kept playing through it the marlies went all the way to the calder cup final and if i'm not mistaken he didn't have a goal between february and may

and there was a lot actually said i remember that was a big scandal on early twitter days of of how bad the Leafs medical staff was because it was it was NHL and AHL they didn't operate as a one as a one group back then they operated as two completely separate franchises and it was only in when Shani came in and then Lou we're sorry Dubas and Mark Hunter and then Lou where they were like okay the Marlies now have a direction and the direction is you are you are developing players to play for the Toronto Maple Leafs um speaking of dudes great to bring up at the bar joe uh joe colburn was top five in ahl scoring for the first half of that ahl season who was the other marley who was up there with him he had a great mustache very underrated mustache

it was blonde joey crab oh okay joey crab did he not block a shot with his face he might have that was mark frazier oh okay mark frazier broke his orbital bone in that uh 2013 series against the unbelievable all right let's wrap it up we will be back and by the way vip sign up it's four bucks a month and uh and we got a new episode coming up later this week for that plus wednesday and also brand new cj show today it's cj season they're cooking right now what's going on give me more there's so much The Steve Dangle Podcast. Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle,

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