The Steve Dangle Podcast - Mitchuation | May 22, 2024

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, TV rights deals (00:00), Craig Berube's accountability (07:30), Kral to the Pens (36:00), fake Mitch Marner trades (46:00), Jonathan Marchessault is a UFA (1:28:00), watching the Jays is unbearable (1:33:00), and the Duchene / Stars / Avalanche goalie interference call (1:39:30). Visit this episode's sponsors: Go to http://shadyrays.com and use code SDP for 50% off 2 or more pairs of polarized sunglasses. Join SDP VIP: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a0z05HiddEn7k6OGnDprg/join Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/thestevedanglepodcast Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sdpvip/subscribe Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Join us on Discord: https://discord.com/invite/MtTmw9rrz7 For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Steve just shot a video about the preview. It deserved it. Preview for the Western Conference Finals for SDPN. In which I would say he self-aggrandized

just a little bit. Yeah? Just a little bit. Just said how correct and perfect his picks were. They haven't been. That's just pointing out facts. No. They haven't been, though.

You know what? The only things I've gotten wrong are the things I agreed with you on. Which ones are those? The Hurricanes losing to the Islanders. Oh, that was bad, guys. Dumbass. And what was the other one? Avs losing to the Jets.

Dumbass. Those are the only two series you've gotten wrong? No, probably not. I don't know. I haven't checked. No, I've had a bad. I should say I've had a bad bracket. I had a bad first round.

And once you have a bad first round, you're kind of screwed along the way. But my Stanley Cup final is still alive. That's crazy. Which is like fingers crossed. And yours is what? New York-Dallas? I got New York-Edmonton. New York-Edmonton.

Steve has New York-Dallas. I have New York-Edmonton. Adam had Toronto. Edmonton. Edmonton. Okay. So half of it's still alive. No.

So somebody here is going to be sitting here in two weeks' time with a correct finals pick. At least one. It won't be me. But I'll say this. If I get Edmonton in there... You don't think it's going to be you? Well, because I picked Toronto, right? No, but I mean like at least one finals pick.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll feel good about that. I feel good about that. That would be cool. I wanted an all-Canadian final. And as I said, I have a rule. You can't bet against the Leafs. It's bad karma.

Maybe I should bet against the Leafs because clearly betting for them isn't working. I messed up. In the video, I said I got the whole final four right. I was wrong. I thought Boston would get revenge on Florida, which they did not. They didn't.

They lost. I love that he double-checked it, too. I double-checked. And I shouldn't have. I should have just been right. So we've got some stuff to do today. We kind of talked about the previews yesterday for the series. So if you want to watch those, you can check them out.

Steve did a video last night about Craig Berube and his press conference, which we can get into in a bit. And also a little Marner tea. And we're going to go a little heavy into the press conference today because there hasn't been a couple of games in a couple of days and everybody's kind of got to etch a sketch of their brain, you know, shake it. But I think the first thing I want to say is quickly that Steve will be streaming tonight and every night for the Eastern Conference Final, I'll be doing the Western Conference Final.

And this weekend, on Saturday morning, if you're not doing anything, Tim and I are logging on at 9.30 in the morning and we are doing qualifying for the Monaco Grand Prix. which is the best Grand Prix on the calendar if you like everything else other than the racing I was about to say where are you going with this sentence good qualifying, terrible race

in non-streaming news Jesse will be hosting the CJ show will I? that hasn't been confirmed at all I don't know what you're talking about oh my bad he's not sure I'm pre-game streaming Steve's stream

so you forgot those right there now what are you doing this are you continuing what you're doing in the first round yeah yeah one since 67 our quest to win one stanley cup since 1967 um yeah i took a break from the second round because i had to stream rangers uh hurricane so we'll be back or on episode uh nine coming up we're in the second we're in the second round now we swept the first round hey yeah let's go okay we'll see what we do i like it i like it all right so um I guess my first thing to you guys is I want to ask about this. The greatest panel show in sports, at least North American sports, might be broken up after this next season.

Inside the NBA. Which one of you guys is leaving? Inside the NBA. Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, Ernie Johnson, and Shaq. Because Amazon has bought the rights to the NBA for that particular night. TNT will no longer be a part of it. nbc nbc oh sorry amazon bought amazon package to amazon disney and nbc that's the nbc package the one that's really stealing the tnt how do we feel about this because it looks like one of them has

already said i'm staying with tnt and i don't know how he could do that which one is that i i didn't uh i'll have to look that up ernie johnson has a contract that is with warner brothers so he doesn't have the freedom to leave is is what's happening there with tnt that's why everybody's being like it's break it's breaking up because the three of them um the three uh ex-nba players who are just more the panelists but ernie is the host is tied to warner brothers okay that's why he's kind of gonna have to probably remain at turner while the three of them just go on to do it for nbc or amazon or espn or some other platform have you considered that amazon is an infinite money monster yes could in theory just buy the man money their way into getting them

That's why I think the whole death of the show is a little premature. Is it? We have another year to go, first of all. Turner isn't losing the rights starting next season, so you've got a full year to figure out who can just purchase the four of them and bring them over somewhere. I'm sure you can get Ernie out of his contract. He's the only one that doesn't have a stipulation that he can leave.

People are doom and glooming this too fast. One, because it doesn't necessarily mean the show is going to break up. Two, a year of Charles Barkley with even fewer fucks to give. I think you are all missing the point. This dude is already talking about, like, we're not going to be here next year. The stuff

he says where I'm like, is this the... Nope, still a job. He still has a job. And now it's going to be a year where he doesn't give a shit? When you have fuck around money, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And what are they going to do?

Do it without him? They can't do it without him. can't do it without them i've seen them do it without them every time i see that show but one of the guys is missing i'm like boo honestly i blew my computer before some of the like they're perfect they're absolutely perfect excellent it made me think though of monday nights next year with with amazon here in canada and i don't know is it if a part as a part of the sports net deal if the Sportsnet personalities get ported over or if they completely start fresh and bring in their own people.

Zero idea. Not heard a single thing about it. Zero idea. I mean, it'd be cool to pump some money into Canadian media and maybe get some new jobs. I don't know. Okay.

I don't know. I got to practice what I preach from the New Year's episode. Which is? what was it hot take a palooza yeah it was uh it's okay to be optimistic yeah it is okay to be optimistic it's okay to be optimistic um and i say that as someone with raging pessimism for a lot of things but yeah i i hope it ends up being a good thing well okay let's take your optimism and let's apply it to craig berube guys obviously after the show yesterday or when we

started the show we had just seen the berube press conference we've all had the chance to watch clips of it and and we watched it a little bit together as well um i didn't take much from it except for the fact that craig berube did not smile once good did not smile once he just kind of stared and he's got really high cheekbones and very intimidating yeah he's got the enforcer uh stare yes he's got the enforcer staring anyone who has ever met an nhl enforcer in person Knows about it There's an intimidation there that you just feel I've met Mark Savard

I've met Jason York I've met Mark Savard I've met Colby Armstrong Jason York I'm trying to think of all the former players I've spoken to They don't have it They had other things

That guys didn't have But they don't have it Bob McGill I worked with him He's fucking terrifying he's selling real estate now nick kiprios i can't like i can't believe that guy just for hang on a second bob mcgill is is doing quite well as an agent as well in cottage country because i pass him on my way my wife's family's cottage and he's on the thing and i'm like he's smiling there and

he looks all warm and friendly but i have met him he does like a cottage volleyball tournament every year yeah i have friends who have gone but he's like yeah scary no and it's just it's just a look it's just like he'd be the he'd be the look he has suggests during an apocalypse he'd be the first to suggest cannibalism he's the most pragmatic yeah yeah okay we could seize this by the way we could i don't i don't care like i listen he's a nice guy really nice bob you're a great guy and definitely buy a house from him definitely buy a house from no it's it's a look okay it's a look he um there's this story where uh there was a player

who had a real good chance of making the leafs and bob gave him advice and he's like listen uh you're a really talented guy you're not in good enough shape like you need to this summer hit the gym hard and what does this guy do he signs with a really it was a dumb team to sign with and if you go and look at his career it ended up being a mistake and the story goes that guy was in town visiting you know with the minor league affiliate because he wasn't in the NHL and he should have been Bob just grabbed him by the arm and goes how you doing like grabs him by like by his like flabby arm yeah you know what I mean like just like just they have it Kipper has it you've spoken to Kipper yep and he knows how to turn it on tv yeah exactly yeah and

he knows how to turn it off fuck get him fired up every now and then you see the back of his skull through his eyes we were all all three of us were there with darcy tucker was on the on the bus at an air canada thing we were doing after a boston game and he was fired up he i'm gonna say he doesn't have it what you're out of your mind no he has something else he he doesn't have the the barubi stare the mcgill stare kipper uh ty domey has the stare holy shit has the terrifying that dude who tapped him oh fucking idiot like in the stands oh my god no tucker has you're right has screw loose stare he doesn't have that darcy tucker didn't eat people for a living for his nhl career he was feisty he's like honey badger energy yeah okay okay you know what i mean

i can see that but we're talking about like apex when you brought up the tie domey like the the tap the tap from the fan after Max Domi scored in the playoffs oh my god you were there when I met him yeah Ty Domi you introduced you like Ty this is in the fucking lucky game I told you as soon as he left I was like what the fuck was that he's very friendly he's a very friendly guy yeah but one of the nicest guys before he smiled it's like there's this Denzel Washington clip where he's deadpan and then he smiles he did that to me and for that split second I'm like well had a good run had a good run i thought i just said hello and was polite but had a good run so berube has that and you know what berube on accountability from the press conference yeah

give it to us all right give me accountability one of the hallmarks of your coaching ability seems to be your ability to hold players accountable but to do it in a constructive fashion how have you determined is the best way to hold players accountable but keep everybody moving in a positive direction while doing well first to hold players accountable and and for players to understand the accountability you have to form a partnership throughout you know i think it starts in the summertime getting to know these players um them getting to understand what i'm all about and how i'm gonna coach and how i'm gonna coach each individual and the team and you know so then then when you have to hold the player accountable for whatever and it could be ice

time it could be whatever whatever the situation is they understand it more and communication is huge um and i'm i think one of my strengths is i'm a great communicator with my players they know where they stand um you know i'm going to tell them when they're playing well i'm going to tell them when they're not playing well i'm going to tell them what the things that need to improve upon there's all all types of things so accountability is accepted almost by your players when you have that partnership you see that do you see the look though you see what i mean oh i see it it's a different vibe than sheldon keith that's for sure what does it feel like to you

it feels like more old school like i've been here before i'm not here to to learn anything i know kind of what i'm doing i'm just gonna step into this and just do what i've done it's kind of the vibe you're getting here you're never gonna you're never gonna watch a sheldon keith clip the same way again um go go watch like the amazon doc go watch like the pre-game thing um this isn't a criticism of sheldon keith but um when he asked things of his team he was pleading he was asking them you know what i mean guys i need you to do come on come up i don't think Craig Berube has ever said that I think you do it or you don't I think you do it or you're out of fucking lineup you're out of a job you're back in the minors you're you're whatever you're out of

town you don't play for his team well minutes are gonna suck so I was gonna ask you guys about this and this seems like a more philosophical question but does the manner in which a coach enters as the coach of a team matter in in response to how players see them and what I mean by that is so when when Babs was fired mid-season 20 games in or whatever it was okay yeah and Sheldon comes in the whole thing was Sheldon needed to pick up the pieces because Babs had shattered the confidence of the team good cop good cop then he gets them in training camp the next year and obviously he takes over in like the COVID year it's not great like whatever and you know they lost the Columbus whatever it was really it was difficult it's difficult and he had Sheldon did have some sort

of difficult things do you feel like and and i i read this in an article the other day which is what's triggering this question i forget who had it but the what the author said and i think they were right on this that i've never thought about it this way is they said when when mike babcock was replaced the leafs simply promoted from within this time at least they spoke to some people and and and you know it's nine what what did nine they said there were nine people they put into calls calls with i'm like who are these nine people he said like in the neighborhood of nine or something like that so it's nine you mean in the neighborhood of 10 or like or was it nine or what are you talking about yeah and and the reason i asked that is and it and and you know you that

jumbo joe yeah as a leaf uh clip making the rounds like layoff us were in first place which is a loser mentality and that watching that clip in retrospect it really pisses me off i'm not gonna lie. I'm a human being and I want this team to win and that's crap. It was the exact opposite of what that team needed to hear. Absolutely. But I wondered when I thought about it, you guys, like Berube comes in. Yeah, Stanley Cup, whatever.

But he came in because the organization said, we want that guy, not because we've seen that guy have success at other levels. And this is not to take away from Sheldon, but it seems to be more like this is definitive culture change.

Sheldon was what they needed at the time. He was. They need a good cop. And they also needed a good coach, and he is. Yeah, and this is why I don't think he needs to be a bad coach for him to get fired. I don't think he needs to be a bad coach and no longer be the coach of the Leafs.

He did what he was supposed to do. The team didn't. He did. I think he upheld his end of the bargain, and now berube's come in for a different flavor and and shanahan no it's true living who kind of said as much when people were pushing back on hey berube is going to be this accountability guy and that's the buzzword of the whole press conference but true living pushed back he's like okay i know we're bringing in berube for this message and to get guys to get their head in the game but that

doesn't mean sheldon keith wasn't trying to do that already it's sometimes you need a new deliverer of the message and i find that works consistently throughout hockey is it might be the exact same message it might be a little it might be couched a little differently but just having a different voice in the room have that message said to your players is going to change it you can eventually you tune out these guys and i think it got to a point where sheldon keith had no effect on the players and just having somebody in there saying maybe it's the same thing but in a different tone in a different voice there's going to be guys who look at that differently and react to it differently i i kind of think of like teachers you know like there were always there's always

different vibes to a teacher you know especially the older you get and in high school and there's the fun one and then there's the shut the fuck up steve one um which you know i was familiar with and uh sometimes a teacher tells you that and yeah you take it or leave it if you respect them yeah you shut up but um there are no bad kids in craig baruba's class some teachers they say it and you shut the fuck up yeah there's no bad no bad kids in his class yeah if it's in english class then like fuck it like do whatever you want yeah i don't know why every english teacher in the history of mankind has been super lax and like you can get away with everything yeah that's what i found true i had one in grade seven who really set me straight but mostly yeah miss lindsay i'll

never forget it okay i had the best grades in her class because it was afraid i was terrified i remember the same thing in in college the one year that i actually went uh uh the teacher that freak me out the most was a guy named paul cross who was like a news hound like hardened news veteran in radio like radio news but it really mattered paul cross doesn't sound like a stand-up comic no he looked like robert plant from led zeppelin and i was terrified of him and i got a 92 in news paul cross sounds like best grade like he sounds like the head of a police union but sometimes you need to kind of you got to have the guy that has been that is a little bit of uh a little bit of that and i don't like is he going to intimidate the leafs into winning like

you don't intimidate the guys you're coaching that's what i mean so so what is it about this and that's why i asked you jesse about what feels different what is the field that that you think this guy brings because we talk about uh like luke fox i think mentioned it a few other reporters mentioned it in the athletic about whenever they talk to players that played under baruba they all said they would run through a wall for him what is it about this guy what is about this guy i assume it's it's the expectations he has on players and the way he's communicating them because if you're if you're communicating that you hold this person x leaf to a certain expectation and you are open throughout that whole process about whether he achieved the goals whether what he's doing is

right or not and you're a guy who comes in there as the new guy and you know that it's not if you're the player you know that the next head coach isn't going to be out the door before you like if something goes wrong here it's now on you so there's that also certain respect that comes with berube being a mid-season replacement too in st louis helps that as well because you got rid of the head coach uh it was mike yo at the time and then you know the next is on the players it's always on the players now when berube stepping in so you're getting that hey it's on you you're gonna listen and if you don't hit these what you're supposed to do here it's on you and you're going to be done do you remember what happened very shortly before uh craig bruby was named the

head coach of the blues what happened there was a clip and i remember this uh i was at sports net and we were just talking about how shitty the blues are because they were um mike yo was their head coach and he it was it was in practice and it happened to be caught on camera he either threw his stick into the stands or smashed it and broke it and and he just yelled and screamed at the guys and it was kind of his like hail mary you know it was it was all he had left i don't get the impression that's the kind of coach craig ruby is at all i think he came in and he's like i'm not gonna beg i'm not gonna plead i'm not gonna yell and scream you're either gonna play or you're not and in Sheldon Keefe's

defense I want to just add to that Mike EO also said if these guys don't turn it around I'm going to lose my job that was also you know what good call sorry I just wanted to add to that I don't think he was wrong true he got it

nailed it that's so bad you should never say that out loud no don't say the quiet part out loud you just moved your firing up by like 5 games at least yeah anyway uh you get paid the other way but um in Sheldon Keefe's defense accountability through the lineup is impossible with the way the team is built like okay we've all been picking on

Marner and to a lesser degree Tavares forget it Nylander and Matthews are playing like shit okay let's say they're playing like shit oh what do you do oh i'm scratching them yeah scratching them i'm gonna cut your ice time no no you're not and we're playing all right matthews isn't pulling his weight so tavaris is going to get more ice and so is pontus holmberg shut up oh neil andrews not pulling his weight so you're gonna promote kelly yarn croak shut up like this is part of the reason why they gotta move off this core or reimagine this core because you could never hold those guys accountable it was either they would perform or they wouldn't and if they performed the team had a chance to win and if they didn't they would die the only thing there is that

we've seen Sheldon Keefe hold some of the guys to a standard Nylander William Nylander who he has consistently benched and i don't think you should be afraid to do the same thing to austin matthews and mitch marner and morgan riley or john tavarez if they are not performing you must have the stones as the head coach to say if you if this guy earns a benching and he's a third liner you also earn a benching and i would like to see that from bruba if it comes to that it it helps to have the horses to do it you know what i mean no but like any at if it's game 40 i don't care if i'm running out Pontus Holmberg for 18 minutes I understand that I think like if you're a good head coach you make that decision you say in the end it'll all work itself back and we're going to

sacrifice what that's sacrificing these minutes to Pontus Holmberg or just he's actually trying he's going to earn these minutes it's endlessly frustrating that for at least three years the Leafs knew what they needed to improve upon in the playoffs the coaching staff told them they got different personnel and they still couldn't do it well playoff style goals you gotta muck around in front of the net gotta have a good power play yeah they haven't been able to score in years and they've never fixed guys came guys went they could never do it they said no more core four they want to de-emphasize the course what they said last year ryan o'reilly's like maybe if they focus more on team less on core four you can't you can't until such time as they

move on from that now berube made a really good point that um you know he's he's a team guy it's not about the stars right it's not about stars but the whole team the problem that he has and the problem with what you guys are talking about is in the past and and i i wouldn't like nylander i think has earned and deserved some of the benchings he's gotten uh and it's made him a better player because he gets them so so like it doesn't happen as much anymore because he's figured it out and i think this year especially he really established himself he's he's a star it's just every so often he makes a mistake that is not just a mistake it's like unforgivable yes yeah you shouldn't be making this at this point in your career yeah the the thing that the Leafs

had was they didn't have the the the depth players Frankie Corrado was talking about this on TSN the other day of the the types of guys that play roles down the lineup that can can support in a situation like that that can earn those minutes take those minutes away you meant to mention Pontus Holmberg and that's great or bobby mcmahon or nick robertson or whomever but the reality is they didn't have a lot of those guys and so i think now de-emphasizing the core means moving on from a piece you know if i listen to the cj show with steve dangle as host um you know the mitch marner thing seems like not a foregone conclusion but that probably best for both sides to move on more likely than not more likely than not and that provides a window of opportunity because

not only do they have i think that's 23 million dollars going into free agency a lot of holes to fill but if they move on from that contract as well ideally you're not taking salary back unless it's multiple players that you actually find useful a la alex i have following gabe velarde i don't think there's a single team that can just take on 11 mil like the leafs are going to be i think there's plenty of teams that can take on 11 mil i think there is there is especially How many of them would Mitch go to? Well, conversation for a different day. My point is, it might be easier for Berube to do what you guys are talking about

if there's a little more balance. A hundred percent. Like, it's, you know, oh, I'm going to give Noah Greger your minutes. No, you're not. Yeah. And if you do, we're going to lose. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, but then that's on you.

Like, I feel like, yeah, you didn't perform. That's still on the star player. I'm going to play Noah Greger over you. And the reason he's on the ice and you're not is because you didn't perform. Yeah, but it all comes back to we lose. Yes, and we lose because it's your fault. Because of you. Yeah, but it doesn't matter who it's because of.

They're still losing the games, and they're digging themselves into a deeper... I think if it's game 37, there's lessons to be taught to these guys if they're not performing. I think they go into every game with two points in mind. Like, remember we would talk about with Pabcock, like, dude, you're going to scratch Levo every single game?

like every single and it's because in his heart of hearts he's like well the lineup's healthy and you're not one of our 12 best forwards in my eyes so you're not getting in like he wouldn't just throw him in to like see you know oh you know keep him fresh or whatever no your job when you're not in the top 12 is to be ready and it's not my job to keep you ready that's your job Yeah. So if Austin Matthews showed up and wasn't ready and wasn't performing up to his abilities, I don't think you just keep playing them because of the name on the back of the jersey. I think you treat them like how you treated William Nylander and you'd throw him down in the lineup or reduce his minutes. And I don't hate what John Tortorella did in Philly with his captain. like i feel like if that's the wake-up call that the coach thinks that the player deserves who cares what's on the front like who cares if you have a c on your on your jersey like if this is what we need to win this game tonight and that's you not in the lineup

i don't care and i'm doing it well and and and i think that it's that is going to be a really um the difference i think is going to be that he'll probably talk to the player yes it's towards to do that yes right i think ruby said as much in the press conference where he's like i communicate with my guys they know where they stand i think tornorella missed the boat on that one i don't mind his hard-nosed style let's talk about accountability because it's the word that keeps coming up it's the top it's like it's like truculence when burke took over everybody's talking about accountability so accountability was big in the press conference uh petrangelo alex petrangelo was on first up on tsn and he said anytime you have a team that's

trying to get over the hump you want someone to keep you accountable and he's going to do that now i want to ask about just the leafs pre-barube whether or not he's able to keep them accountable how unaccountable has this team been would you say uh pretty unaccountable every single year they have the same problem and it costs them the season what does that have to do with accountability though explain that uh they uh have a very clear mission hey guys improve on this and then they very aggressively don't is that what you mean well i and i wondered if if because here's the thing if you want accountability in an organization we just talked about yesterday how the leafs pr staff have been shielding the players all season long the fact that riley and marner were not

coming out after game seven to talk you're stuck i am no i'm extremely stuck on it because it's wrong i i'm following you i'm following you lead gentlemen lead i understand the point lead when it's hard that's what leadership is you don't just get to come out when you score a hat trick you if you wear an assistant captain you're a leader all the time even especially when you lose and so i would take a good hard look at who's an assistant captain next year because i think that's crap get out there and talk and and so but the thing is so berube is going to bring accountability this is an organization that's unaccountable this is an organization that is consistently rewarded bad playoff performances with we'll get them next year this is a our

organization and and we you talked about in the cj show uh steve but we've talked about it here shan he's done a great job being accountable for the finances the money coming into the maple leafs now is more than ever and he's done a great job of that oh the on the on ice product though do i get some he's they've protected players that really shouldn't have been protected that should have been accountable so the accountability factor for me it freaks me out a little bit because berube wants to bring accountability to the players but if the rule from on high is protect them from the big scary media the big scary really like the media that's dying for you to win something like the second you win the second the leafs do well i don't know if you know

this but toronto media is very grateful for that i i think the leafs are going to try to make nice with uh the media i do did you notice like the first thing brad true living did other than they didn't replace his microphone again oh my god it's it's ml you can apologize by replacing the microphone mlse get the new microphone dude it's his it's always true living's microphone too you work for a telecom um sorry uh he talked about uh he apologized for the barubi announcement being on the friday of a long weekend okay that's great and and listen he's a funny guy i like true living as a human being he's funny but like he said oh it's just how it worked out but you know a few of them are like oh fuck

that's why dude underratedly underrated dick move like okay it's the leafs they name a new head coach you have to cover it it's a new head coach absolutely ron wilson announcing he got a contract extension on christmas morning oh that's such a dick now ron ron would i feel like ron would have been the type of guy who would have really enjoyed that on christmas morning and brian like that wasn't part of the plan uh my point is all i'm saying is how how can the head coach who is three rungs down from the president who is keith pelly how can this head coach make this organization accountable when for the last four or five years,

they're becoming less and less accountable. The access to the players has been less and less. As I said to you yesterday, sometimes just standing in front of the reporters after a bad game, even if you say nothing, even if you John Tavares it, well, we learned a lesson, blah, blah, blah.

The act of doing it is there's an accountability in that. How can this one guy who really isn't at the top possibly change that? uh try telling craig berube what to do might tell you to go shit in your hat i hope at some point he said i think what do you think jess i think having the ability for the guys who have been there the whole time to have seven straight years of a chance to run it

back and i think in every single one of those years we all agree that they have not been successful in the goal which is to ultimately win a stanley cup and they haven't really been close and for them to have that opportunity to try and then go out there and try again and then fail and then try again and then fail to do that over and over you tell them that the results don't matter you tell them that even though even though your result was unsatisfactory we're going to give you another attempt and when it you don't live up to the goal and you don't reach the result but then you keep getting to do that you tell them whether uh out front or just subconsciously that the results don't matter so i agree with you adam that throughout this tenure there has not been

accountability on the players and i think we finally reached the points point that dubas was at last year that dubas should have been at in 2020 where the results do matter and you're finally accountable and that'll be you don't get an opportunity again to run it back some of you here because this offseason we're going to move on and you don't get your shot again Let's try something else. To misquote his favorite book, the score does not always take care of itself. It doesn't.

You guys got to read that book. There's so much about it. What if I just watch Moneyball again? No. What if I just hate Brad Pitt? He's strong. He's very strong. And I like that he's eating popcorn and making trades.

But no. Same thing. Score Takes Care of Itself was misinterpreted by the Toronto Maple Leafs to don't worry whatever you think is correct and don't even question it. Adam, I have a question. And let me ask you this. Let me ask you that.

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you can return them 30 days risk-free here's here's what's fun um uh speaking of one kyle it was philip crawl yeah he's now a pittsburgh penguin so steve kyle dubas his guys now can we please make a t-shirt we have to we have to make a t-shirt we have and we got to do an event in pittsburgh and just everybody's got to wear that t-shirt i don't know if we could use his name yeah maybe just a pair of thick frame glasses followed by loves his guys yeah we gotta not get sued here do you think he'd care i don't think he'd care maybe a little i'd donate a dollar for me for what you said about him you might care no you might care oh what did i say all right so how do i make the draft lottery about how caldu was failed dude he

He blew that. You blew it. Who else? You blew it. Oh, Pittsburgh's making a charge at the end, and now they don't get a first-round pick. If they just sucked, they would still have one. So, Philip Kroll, 24, had a really good season in Finland,

was the top defensive scorer for his team. The Leafs let him walk last year. That was one of the first things Trilliving did. I think that was, I don't know about a mistake, but I didn't love it. He played some NHL games. He showed some good things. He showed a little bit bad. Two NHL games.

Two NHL games. But he was filling in. That was the season where the Leafs used like 13 guys. It was ridiculous. They had to use so many. There's no scenario where Philip Kroll should have been playing NHL games. But everyone was hurt. And I thought he filled in okay.

but Treleving just chose not to bring him back. He's big-ish. He's 24. He's depth. Like, he's not going to make the team at a camp, I don't think. I don't hate it. It's funny, though, right? Here's what it is.

A super-duper depth signing that's really, really funny. It is. If Dennis Mulligan is at some point a Penguin, I'm going to laugh. Just throw him out there. Dennis Mulligan? Yeah. I can't wait until Evgeny Malkin has Malkin on his right wing and Alexander Barabanov on his left.

I like that. Can't wait. I can't wait. Apparently, he's looking for a contract, Alexander Barabanov. Well. It's crazy. Let me tell you about a great place called Pennsylvania. You are a Pittsburgh paper.

Dubas didn't bring on enough of his guys last off. Not yet. No, he's already got Bunting in there. He's got Kroll in there. He's got Achari in there. There's guys. This is going to be the summer of Loves' Guys. Absolutely.

You're Sue Greyhound? You got a job. Oh, fuck yeah. Wilkes-Barre, Scranton. Welcome, friggin', what's his name? Matt Murray. Matt Murray. Oh, yeah.

Well, back to Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense. Reunited? I like that. And it feels so mid. Oh, wow. Listen, we haven't had the chance to do a lot of a press conference lately just because of all the hockey news. So, shall we jump into the press conference?

Jesse, is there something you're looking up on CapFriendly over there? No, I was just looking at Pittsburgh's CapFriendly. How many former Leafs and former Greyhounds? Not a lot of former Leafs. Not enough. Not yet. This offseason, he'll load up for sure. I know that there's supposedly a verbal agreement in place for Keefe to join the New Jersey Devils.

But I really would have put money on him joining the Penguins. They have a head coach. I know, but I don't think that the head coach or the team want that. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Do you see that it's Sullivan and Cooper who are probably going to go 1-2 in the NHL's international, what is it called, face-off? Four Nations. Four Nations face-off.

Four Nations Cup or whatever. Yeah, Four Nations Cup thing. Oh, that's women's hockey. Oh, okay. Four Nations face-off. So it's going to be Mike Sullivan at one and John Cooper at the Olympics? That's probably how Team Canada is going to do it. Why?

That's why I brought it up. That's the rumor. Okay. Wow. Do you agree with those picks? I mean, yeah. I mean, one of them is John Cooper. I don't think Mike Sullivan sucks, by the way.

Like, I know Penguins fans. It's very similar to the Keefe conversation where, like, Keefe doesn't need to be bad for the Leafs to move on from him. i think mike sullivan's an incredible coach but i don't know it might be time to move on he's been there forever and i think the reason that the team has taken a step back is they're not as good yeah look at them they're old and busted man yeah and they have no one no one coming up like signing philip crawl automatically makes him one of the youngest people in the penguins organization yeah like dude they they they're old um do you remember all those years where it was

just pencil in Mike Babcock as Team Canada head coach for a decade and a half. Spray paint. Yeah, write it in the sharpest sharpie that he's going to be the head coach. That's like two decades worth of hockey. It was interesting that that's the guy they went with. Who, Sullivan?

No, Babcock. Oh, Babcock. Yeah, all those years. And it's just nobody else ever got a chance because it's just Babcock. Everything he did in Detroit, man. It's true, and he hadn't won anything in a while. And it's like, ah, Babs.

he's the guy Team Canada I don't know yeah you know what Nick Lindstrom probably got Mike Babcock

employed for Team Canada well you know so this well here you want to you want to

do the press conference we should do the press conference right after this do you want me to ask a question well no I was going to

say one of the key things that we talked about with the Leafs I feel like it's an underrated story and it's

it's wild that there are like underrated stories with the leafs um bruby had petrangelo um like who was the best defenseman on vegas last year shea theodore uh or no jesus they had petro my bad they had they had petro i thought you meant besides petro or something no so so like let's look at all the the past cup winners right um you have petro you have kale mccarr you have uh victor headman are you doing the thing that i did to

you like like last week did you already do this i can't remember oh you know what it was you did that and then i took it and used it on the cj show and now i'm recycling it again back here the least need an elite defenseman is what i meant by that i went through i was like what was the last stanley cup winner we did on the show was last day stanley cup winner who didn't have like a top uh 12 defenseman we kind of landed on john carlson we went through all the years like you can do it without an elite goalie shockingly you need elite defense and the leafs very don't have it i mean morgan riley's their best by probably a country mile and then the next highest paid guy is jake mccabe at two mil like it's yeah they need to read

redistribute uh the wealth there there you go should we do the press conference sorry one more thing when was the last time a team won the stanley cup without an elite that's how i know it was good steve steve stole it and then recycled it back to me that's right yeah this is my loop all right this first question it comes from nr hornets 21 p p biz 81 um do you think the Leafs will go after DeBrusque and Allmark uh DeBrusque makes a lot of sense um is he an RFA or UFA UFA yeah he's a UFA yeah so that's why DeBrusque makes sense you're trading for Allmark no shot they don't have the assets stop doing goalie trades with the Bruins stop stop I think LA really wants Allmark too they almost had him and then he

didn't want to wave and he's also said i want to be back in boston so if they do want to move him uh they have their work cut out for them i think lena solmark's a really good goalie i don't need to be a goalie scout to know that if the leafs trade for him he will turn into a pumpkin yep yep that's it that is how it is destined to work don't do it de brusque makes a lot of sense but i think a lot of teams will like de brusque yeah he's a prick and he's good and i i think it would be worth it to sign Jake DeBrusque just so you don't have to play against him anymore.

Jesus. So he can't eat you alive in the playoffs? Stop! That's true. Stop. What is his points per game and what's his points per game against the Leafs? Enough. Uncle. Holy shit. This one comes from Mateo, Minnesota Wild

Talk on Twitter. Could you see a scenario? We're going to start this nice and early in the press conference because this is what a lot of the questions are. It's what everyone wants to know. If everybody wants to fake Marner trades, we'll do it. We'll talk about Marner here. Could you see a scenario where Marner blocks every trade possible and walks in free agency next year to spite Toronto

after all the criticism he's faced? No. I don't see that. It makes no sense. Marner is... What kind of person do you think this guy is? Yeah. Do you think he's like a spiteful weasel?

No. I think Marner's a really good person, guys. Weasel is an underrated word. Yeah, like weasel. That's a good word. You got to have so much hate to pull something like that off successfully. Oh, I know. Like, are you kidding me?

Come on, guys. Listen, did it work with Mitch? And is it is it probably is it working with Mitch anymore? Probably not. Is it time to move on? Yes. But let's not turn this person into like some bad, evil Darth Vader. Darth Vader in his basement or at his cottage this summer going, I can't wait to fuck over

Leaf fans by playing for them. I'm going to fuck the organization so hard. Here, let me say this into the camera. Please go. He's 27, all right? You thought he was making a lot of money now. He's a year out from free agency, unrestricted free agency. If he has a great season, this season,

on a team that he wants to be on and wants him, right? he's gonna be able to like let's say he scores 90 100 points again he's gonna sign for 12 million dollars for eight years something like that do the math what the hell is that i don't remember my 12 times tables who gives a shit i don't need to know them and neither does he because he is a professional hockey player who is really good at putting up points and hockey he's really good at that so I'm gonna I'm gonna spite the team that has at the end of the day all the power like he has all the power to block the deal it's gonna be real difficult for him if he doesn't play a hockey game till December it's gonna be real difficult for him if he's playing on the fourth

line it's gonna be real difficult for him if he's not getting his cookies he needs to perform he needs to go somewhere where he's gonna perform and he could ride that for the rest of his life I mean he could ride the contract he's currently on for the rest of his life but you know what's better than money more money and

why like for the purpose of what like you're looking at this completely irrationally I think like could he do that yeah if he was like a Bond villain but even those guys like money that's usually the plot of every movie is they're trying to steal some diamond

to power a nuclear weapon for some reason um it's not gonna happen guys it's not gonna happen yeah uh next up we'll do a choose your own adventure we got four questions here this is from mitchell thompson build a trade package from nashville for mitch marner that you'd be comfortable accepting as the least fan or you can do for marner should we be looking for a return similar to matt duchesne or do you think we could get more or you could that's from jake allen or you can do harley says not a question but can you come up with trades for marner or you can do from holy shit what's coming back from nashville in a hypothetical marner trade all of the questions about marner do you want to pick the nashville specific trade or do you want

to do just your pie in the sky other nhl team marner fake trade well there's two kinds of trades you can do where money in money out um nashville is one of the teams that could potentially buy on the guy now their gap situation's actually kind of fucked um surprisingly because of the duchesne buy out where is it where is it the appeal for the uh preds is you could potentially have a line of Philip Forsberg on the left Ryan O'Reilly in the middle and Mitch Marner on the right holy shit you put one of the best playmakers in the league with one of the best and most underrated goal scorers in the league and you got Ryan O'Reilly who's like I'm gonna do my Ryan O'Reilly thing could they do Stamkos and Marner yeah of course they could absolutely they

could of course they could I don't know sounds kind of interesting to me sure does now they would have to shave a little bit of cash so the dead cap for these guys is it's just awful so ryan johansson is going to cost the preds four million dollars next year elias uh elias uh matthias ekholm is going to cost them a quarter mil dushane is going to cost them 5.555 million and Kyle Turris still on the cap. That's a nightmare. At $2 million. That is nightmarish.

So who makes a lot of money on the Preds? Because I said they can buy another camp. I don't think that works. An interesting name, potentially, is Luke Shen. They just gave up McDonough, though. They just gave up McDonough. That's why when people...

I don't think that's going to happen. When people were like, oh, the McDonough trade makes it potentially more likely. I don't. I don't think it makes it more likely at all. I think it makes it less likely. Yeah. Because they got to go and replace McDonough. The name I'll tell you that confuses me the most when people bring them up.

I know I'm not giving an answer. I'm poking holes in answers. But, like, in terms of money, Yussi Saros could make some sense. Makes five mil, and then he's a UFA. So if you're the Leafs, you can't trade for him without an assurance that he signs an extension. That's number one. Number two, who the hell is your goalie?

If you're Nashville. They got that kid coming up. Yaroslav Askarov? Yeah. I mean, he's 21. Is there not somebody else, too? Yaroslav Askarov was the first-round pick. yeah yeah ask her obviously you're thinking of it yeah i think that they want they they want to

they have well soros has been mentioned before in trade talks and i think they have the right time this is the right time to potentially because the idea is next season soros is going to command a nine ten million dollar deal and if you're nashville you don't want to pay it you got to move off of him before he hits that ufa so like i just i don't know if they're a great partner yeah and listen kevin lankanen had a not bad year too for them he only played 24 games but he's never posted much more below there was one bad year in chicago but he's around a 9 10 well it's like laurent brossois like where he's an incredible backup goalie yeah but like playing 40 plus games matters it's and it's a skill it's a whole new skill and having a resume

of it and like your body's just at a different place and so nashville doesn't make sense to me guys i and i and the reason it doesn't make sense is because you have a fantastic playmaking section there nashville's problem is goal scoring that's why stamkos or a guy like him makes the most sense for me forsberg is an unbelievable setup man ryan o'reilly's an underrated playmaker but their big finisher is gus nyquist they need a finisher they do and you finishers outside of four you need two of them you need two you need one on the first line one on the second line it It doesn't make sense to go get a playmaking winner. I'm not seeing it.

Here's what I'm seeing. If you're going to get Mitch Marner, you're one of two things. You're a team that is already very good and had a disappointing first round. Or you're a team that thinks we're ready to make the jump. So there are two teams that instantly stick out to me. One of them is obvious because they're them and this is what they always do. But the Vegas Golden Knights. Oh, my God.

Just won a cup. No way. Just won a cup. And you got to be thinking, listen, what star have they not been in on? At least made a phone call. They were a draft pick away from Eric Carlson. So you know Vegas is calling. That's very fair.

And is there an opportunity for Toronto to get, and again, you have to get somebody good back, like real good. They've traded basically their whole future. They just signed Noah Hannafin to that extension. So where does that put Shea Theodore? That would be frigging great. Shea Theodore, who's a year older than Hannafin, who makes 5.2 for one more year. Again, where does that put, you know, a guy like, you know, is there a more of a depth thing where Toronto just grabs?

Because remember, it's not going to just be money in, money out, right? Toronto's goal here is to get some cap flexibility. I want Nick Hague. I want Nick Hague. Nick Hague, I like that. I want Shea Theodore or Brayden McNabb, you know. like shea theodore's got to be a piece and you're gonna get like a d pair from vegas and then one of nick hagan or mcnab you need you need you need like a theodore and and he's amazing and i get it

but like you need something like that and some cap right because here's the thing toronto doesn't want to take anybody's dead cap anymore unless they're moving some significant piece like the only was it arpin and mark anton were talking about the fact that tovaris to the canadians if he would wave might make sense because the canadians desperately want to get out from under cary price's contract and toronto could afford the dead cap but sorry that's not dead cap that's ltir but toronto actually would like to take a swing at from what i'm hearing actually being under the cap and and accruing deadline cap space this tap dance every year where they literally can't do business because they're so up against the cap is bullshit yeah

it's not it's it was it worked for uh when they had um david clarkson and they had to yeah but But the stuff with like Matthew Nyes and like having to ice university goalies and everyone's fine. That was Dubas' thing. True Living didn't do that. No, I know. But like, well, even this year, like they weren't able to rest guys at all. It was just. I think that they ideally would not do that again.

So unless it's like a major move off of that. Would it be such a disaster to retain on Marner or Tavares? Yes, it would be an absolute disaster to retain on Marner. For one year. You do not retain on Marner. You are not retaining on a 99-point player. Yeah. The year before.

Not last year. He got injured this year. Eric Carlson was retained on. Yeah, but Eric Carlson was 33. He had a busted. I know the difference. He can't even pivot. I know the difference.

And he's still very good. He's still very good. No, you're not retaining on Mitch Marner. Absolutely not. The team is taking him. And by the way, the trade's going to happen July 2nd or July 3rd once the bonus is paid. I mean, that definitely makes the most sense. And so when people say, oh, the teams can't afford.

No, no. I think that there's plenty of teams that can afford the cap hit if they don't have to pay it. You can also go 10% over the cap, which the Leafs can go something like 8 million over the cap. Here's another team that makes a whole ton of sense to me. If they could get some finish in there. Weirdly enough, the New York Islanders I look at. Wow. And I think, here's the thing.

The Islanders have enough playmakers. They need some goal scores. but they need to overhaul their offense. Patrick Waugh is going to be very involved in that. He likes guys that can finish. If you have a lineup with Barzal and Marner in one and two, that'd be fun. It'd be fun to watch.

That's a Lou guy. Marner, you know, Lou was there. I mean, I don't know if they're huge fans of each other because Lou stiffed them on his rookie bonuses. Schedule B. Shut up. But, you know, that's one I look at. that um do the colorado avalanche with you know what's you know unfortunately what's happened with

natushka do they go we don't have him for the start of next year that's very interesting do you want to make a move so i don't think it's going to be some team with a bunch of cap space i think it's going to be a team that's like we're really good and we need this is a core piece of an organization and what i think is going to happen here is mitch is going to go to an organization that has some tough guys built in, that has a culture, that has this, that has that. And he's going to thrive in the playoffs. He's going to be spectacular.

Wherever he goes, my belief is that Leaf fans are going to go, what the hell, where was that? And it's because when you look at the way the Leafs surround, what they surrounded him with going up against those Boston teams and Columbus, Montreal was just, unfortunately, he and Matthews just didn't show up that series the way they needed to. You know, I think there's going to be, if you have guys around them that make space this is a guy that colorado to me makes a ton of sense

colorado is very interesting adam um also a team that is sneakily in on everything whether or not it works out um and when a good player is available they typically go hello we would like them carolina yeah i can see that i can just can't see them wanting to pay his extension and i think he's not going anywhere unless that extension is signed and i don't blame him i don't blame him because to me if you're mitch you will never have better uh you will never ever ever have a better uh sense and a better way to negotiate your contract than right now it's even better than free agency because when you trade for somebody who is an a free agent or a pending free agent so if you trade for somebody's an rfa the rfa has all the negotiation power why because you just traded

for them what are you going to do not sign them how about seattle well but think about marner so you're going to trade him with a year left on his deal so you're going to give up real assets for mitch marner if you're the acquiring team you have to have a you just better pay him whatever he asks yeah because if you if you pay all that and lose him and by the way mitch is going to fetch a lot of stuff i don't think it needs to be a contender i think it more than likely is a team that is is we believe we're a piece away and i don't think he's going to want to go to a team that isn't i don't think a team that is a piece away needs an 11 million dollar player you know what i mean a team that is a piece away needs to tinker right like this is seismic like you're gonna have to

trade off your roster more than likely for this um and if anyone's gonna be able to pull that off it's vegas like you said but uh some teams just need a marquee guy um i think seattle's one of those guys or one of those teams they need a marquee guy uh imagine uh him and jared mccann just finishing the leafs oh my god jared just getting 50 goals and yeah you know um you know here's what i think columbus my my archetype no columbus is not no not a chance If nobody wants to go to Columbus, never even – if there's a free agent that went to Columbus, it's against their will. I don't think they're – That team is so poorly run, it's embarrassing and everybody knows it.

The secret's out. Let me say this. Here's why I'm making this, the Mitch Marner proposal, if we're going to do this, is I look at the Florida Panthers, who won the President's Trophy and said, yes, we'll take Matthew Kachuk. We'll trade Huberto, who just had the best season of his life. We will trade him because we want Matthew Kachuk. and I'm not saying Mitch Marner is Matthew Kachuk I'm just saying they're both extraordinarily valuable players and look at what Florida

has done with Matthew Kachuk but Florida wasn't a piece away that's a huge deal you know what I mean well I think you could argue that they would how could you argue against that they just won the president's trophy I think a piece away the definition of that to me

is we're almost there we just need this one thing not we're going to trade 115 point left winger and like our second defenseman you know what i mean yeah like that's what florida did and they came out the other side uh yeah they won the deal they did great oh yeah but like i i just don't think that's one piece away a lot of people have suggested utah i don't think that's totally stupid i think that's actually very intelligent it's a question of um what do they give back because there was a wall clayton keller i think if utah gets marner they want to keep

keller i don't know enough about the politics but utah strikes me as a state with probably light taxes i don't know i have no idea you know what i mean like you're also going to want to maximize your dog i did love the bleacher report was it hannah stewart put together and and yes she had her foot going back the other way for marner which was evil and i was like hannah come on evil no no as a part of a package but it was just like i think she was just trolling leaf fans and good for her all right i've got a vegas golden knights toronto maple leafs trade to announce let's go jesse out from the vegas golden knights shea theodore keegan colasar oh my god nick haig in a third round draft pick in 2025 going the other way from toronto mitch marner 15% retained

just to make the salary cap work but we probably don't have to retain because it's the off season you can go above the salary cap so we can pretend or not pretend with the 15% retained SDA And a 6th round pick So Simeon Dergachintsev That would be his rights Because he's in the KHL right now Jesse did you make this?

Yeah Why the 3rd and the 6th? Because draft picks are always like Back and forth And the Leafs need An upgraded They need some picks for the future So you throw that in

You're kind of throwing SDA the other way And you're also So you're upgrading that 6th to a 3rd essentially with SDA going there and you're getting Shea Theodore and Keegan Colasar and Nick Hague Shea Theodore would be like the best Leafs defenseman since I don't even know what do you think who's saying no I think Vegas might because Hague and Theodore is really tough to lose like you then you have to do a lot of work this summer to replace those two bless nick hag you can replace nick hag if you're vegas yeah he's frigging i just signed hannifin like that's

the point yeah of moving off of shea theodore and upgrading to mitch marner in your forward group eichel marner that's interesting the one thing i want who says no and hurdle what they just don't oh and like they just don't have a cap yeah yeah hurdle so who says no i'm talking myself into it for which side uh the leafs i'm talking myself into it if you're the leafs you wouldn't do this right now i think i i would want to do it first off anything no retention for me yeah i just need to do it for the salary cap um and uh listen if shea theodore and nothing else comes back i'm happy because the thing that's most valuable is cap space what the thing that's most valuable in any trade in the nhl is cap space oh more valuable than a

one can i you got six seven million to spend something somewhere else no that doesn't make sense here's here's what i hate 5.2 for one year and then he's a ufa and he's probably going to make a billion dollars shea theodore yeah but isn't he the defenseman you've been looking for fucking right he is like isn't he the isn't he the top of the line defenseman that the Leafs have been dying to get see that strikes me as a one piece away deal for the Leafs and they're not you know what I mean but oh my god what a piece I don't even know I'd like a little bit more future coming the Leafs way in that deal really Jesse I and the Vegas Golden Knights would be like that's nice here's here's what I hate about trade talk is is it's either yep I do

it which definitely means the team that you cheer for is fleecing the other team and there's no I wouldn't that's fucking stupid which means probably fair what I like to do if both sides hate it it's good

what I like to do in trade discussions is I like to look at a trade and I go how far away from being ready is this and I do you agree that it's not too far I think i think it's a good framework yeah right i do so what moves are you making to make this

more compatible with the way you see this unfolding so how many years does colasar have and haig have left i'm and also you need to know that uh friggin theodore is extending with you and how much so colasar is one years left one year oh oops yeah yeah my bad william carlson's three And then what did you need, Nick Haig? Haig is one year. That sucks. Is it possible to move out Nick Haig and get a centerman? Is there a centerman that Vegas possesses?

Because the Leafs desperately need... They do have a great center. Depth center. Or if they want to get crazy, go get a true second-line center and move Tavares down to the third line. Byron Fraze. eichel howden that would be hilarious chandler stevenson is up by the way you're not moving off like maybe that's you just signed chandler stevenson yeah maybe that because they're not

moving off of william carlson you know hurdle can play center uh hurdles center uh eichel's there like i feel like you can't really take a center from vegas i'd like a little more future in the deal in in who towards the leaves yeah like what future from vegas are you looking at well that's That's the problem, isn't it? Yeah. I don't think they have the futures to give you. And I think that Toronto really wants the freedom, the cap flexibility.

Because if you bring in a guy that's a $5 million guy, which Theodore is, and you're probably going to re-sign him, obviously, you're looking at... First off, he has to waive his limited no trade, whatever he has. And then you've got to sign him. But you also have to look at this year and go,

how much cap flexibility are we going to have? If they go from 23, If they have $6 million extra, that's almost $30 million that Toronto Maple Leafs could spend this summer. Okay. So you see the difficult finagling we're doing? So you can go get Alec Martinez, who is up, for a nothing deal. You can bring back Klingberg on a 775, right? So you've got depth pieces.

Sure hope one of those works. It's a lottery ticket. Who cares? If you want Chandler Stevenson that badly, Centerman, you pay a lot for. here's here's a easier one with less finagling involved all right utah okay what do you get they have 43.2 million in cap space and i don't think it's enough i thought you were gonna say they had 43 draft picks because i wouldn't i mean probably either actually like how far is that from being okay they have their their first and that's it in each of the next three drafts they have

10 second round picks in the next three drafts they don't need all 10 would you take all 10 fuck yeah hell yeah just give me picks 32 through 64 just give me all of them um so they have you don't get an nhl team just to be like all right here's some dudes no you need a you need a big move you need a big move that's a big move big move the leafs get a bunch of futures potentially in that deal what are the futures in draft picks and you can and you might go well how does that help them win it helps them win because you can spend them however you want you get josh doan oh no no no no he's well i was about to say maverick maverick well so when hannah stewart did this uh she had maverick lamoureux who's a huge defenseman coming the other way that too

if like if i'm gauging my brad treliving meter he's involved in the deal it would be nice to make your team better now uh what are we doing here utah doesn't help you do that we built it for 2030 no no but what what you can do and i have a feeling whatever this deal is is going to make no sense at all at the time okay but they're going to quickly put the word out hey we got these picks to trade them okay i don't know i feel like you're too obsessed with the futures thing yeah i feel like austin matthews is only going to be austin matthews for like six more professional hockey seasons yeah that's why it makes a lot of sense right yeah let's look at another team that that went out in the first round who else went in the first round that had

a disappointing time that could potentially deal with a peg Winnipeg he's not waving to go to Winnipeg damn he's not so like let's just call it what it is he's not so LA what else you got LA probably not going to California

though why I could see I can absolutely see him taxes are fucked but I could probably see oh yeah I can see that I can see that I for sure can see that now you know who hangs out in California Patrick Marlowe and joe thornton there you go marner you are a san jose shark so i don't think about that but

you know i i look at what uh um like um la has can you get them to part with a with a uh a jordan spence well with a with a mikey anderson the name everyone throws out there is byfield and i think the kings would be insane to do that they're not but anze kopitar did say i'm not here for a retool yeah byfield can you get about winning right now like that's not a prospect anymore yeah he is uh he's 21 and he's an rfa and they need guys like that get trevor moore in the deal and flip him to pittsburgh for five first can you get onze kopitar hey no way you're not uh you're not in it for a retool so onze why don't you come on down to toronto for the next couple years you can play uh center i think it's got to be a defenseman right or it's got to open up the

possibility that they get a defenseman like is that brett pesci like you're signing him like that's not i don't know if that's juicy enough they do need a guy they need the the flag in the earth this is the this is a top 10 defenseman in the league just you you you bring up you bring up something incredible that i think we're all forgetting here what do we keep saying with a marner trade it's happening july 2nd because of the bonus structure yeah here's a problem a shitload of business happens at the draft and a shitload of business happens july first so what i think is going to end up happening is we're going to find out about a deal agreed upon in principle a week or two before it actually happened yeah because it's gonna paralyze the

leafs and the team or teams involved in the deal otherwise that's that yeah i think you nailed it because this has to be figured out leading into draft time because you can't be sitting there waiting, being like, I don't know about these assets. Because what do we always hear about with UFAs? We hear this from Alan all the time. It's like, if you're not at the dance at 12.01 when July 1st hits, you miss out because people want assurances on their cap,

on their roster. So you need to get your deal done really fast because if you're sitting there on July 3rd, you don't know who your dance partner is. Maybe there's a team that says, you know what? I know you have a deal in place with Marner, but I'm willing to pay now. Well, there you go. That is the interesting thing.

And then if it's then all bets are off. And one team that I think we should look at, even though they've never has tons of cash and they are rebuilding it and they never have ever come up in trade discussions at all. Montreal, Chicago. Oh, you have to look at Chicago with very likely, you know, a young superstar coming in. coming in Connor Bedard because they're nowhere near competing they're nowhere near competing however Mitch you're going to be the guy that sets Connor Bedard up for life you've done it with Matthews now it's time to do do it again so it's Steve I am your phone and I buzz on uh June 24th and it says Mitch Marner traded to Chicago MLH is happening you should have never

deleted it paychecks in the mail will be delivered by your helicopter sorry what it says mitch marner to chicago yep in exchange seth jones plus is that the guy once you once you looked at your phone are you gonna be like oh yeah let's go are you gonna be like ah fuck i'm gonna be like ah fuck um why i mean he'd be the best right-handed d the leafs have had um ever maybe like dude they they just have such a void there because if chicago is the deal that they do like that's the piece that comes back right because that's the big name defenseman you want yeah so is that big name is that good enough they're so early in the rebuild that like you want guys off the roster if you're the leafs and i think fuck they just don't have much to

offer jones doesn't get you all hot and bothered but what if the leader doesn't what no it doesn't i don't by the way people have been suggesting that and i'm like no no because that's that's really the only way the chicago deal makes sense what if you just drop 11 million bucks and you have 33 million to spend you can't you can't communicate that to a fan base i don't think you can't communicate that doesn't this go back to steve saying the deal won't make sense until it does until later i don't i don't even know if you're bradshaw living how do you communicate that to yourself where it's like okay i'm gonna do this for the potential to get good guys you need an assurance that you're moving out this star player that you have something coming back all

right this is the way i'd look at it now we're cooking with gas all right chicago uh less cap space than Utah, but still over $30 million. Lol. Their draft picks for the next three years. This year, their own first and Tampa's first. In the second round, their own second, LA's second,

Vancouver's second. Next year, their own first and a conditional, the Leafs' first. Followed by their own second and Dallas' second. In 2026, their own first, their own second, the Islanders' second, and the Leafs' second.

So the thing with Utah is they only had their own firsts. Those extra firsts that Chicago has potentially moved the needle in terms of if the Leafs get them, they can flip them for something else. Because Chicago doesn't have anything that gets me excited. What about Frank Nazar? No, no. Why would you do that if you're Chicago? I've seen a few people suggest that.

What was he picked? Seventh overall, something like that? That doesn't make sense from their perspective. It also doesn't make sense for the Leafs. You know, like, okay, you're doing that, and then, okay, he's going to be great in three years? I think he's going to be real good. I think he, you know who Frank Nazar fits the window of?

Chicago. Yeah. That's why it doesn't make any sense for them. And, Steve, you doing these draft pick trades, that better be a three-way deal on day of. It better be, because you're not trading Mitch Marner for just picks and saying we'll figure it out later that's not satisfactory enough you're right on that you need that deal to be completed with the other team to go get the assets at the same

time uh it doesn't have to exactly be a three-way deal but it's like okay we get these picks to trade them no but it does because like you're you can't trade mitch marner for a first round pick and just say maybe we'll get something good back like i would be incredibly disappointed and you're also setting yourself up for not getting that person back. You need the defenseman too. You do. You do need a defenseman at some point.

And I don't think the problem is there's not like a free agent defenseman that you can get this year. So if you're going to move that asset. Well, and if you do, it's July 1st. I'm the big fish. Like, what am I waiting for? Pay me.

I think we are, through this conversation, grasping the difficulty that this trade is going to cause. What they need to do, and this is what we didn't do, and that's okay, is that they have to decide what it is they want. What do we want? What do we want? What do we want this team to look like? Is it going to be defense by committee,

or are we going to have that stud defenseman? If it is a stud defenseman, then you're looking at a guy at the top of his game. It's like, who are in their 20s in that range? You got Theodore, you got Sergeyev, you got like, well, there aren't many guys that are going to be amazing and and at that level and fit the Matthews Nylander age graph. And that's what I'm talking about. You guys who are fast when puck battles big, big, but not necessarily big. It helps. It's a plus.

would uh there's what a trade to philadelphia for travis connect me get you excited uh would travis connect me and what five other assets yeah i know but him as a part of that deal uh yeah sure okay not like not jamie dryston that's why like see i feel like digitally like online you would suggest that and people just go fucking stupid and i like to go i like to do the improv style yes and what else yeah yes and yeah it's like okay so that's the that's the the meat of the dish what are the sides it better be premium sides i'm not throwing in any sides you might get a garden salad out of me but no maybe a fresh cup of water a fresh cup of water i need the garlic mash yeah your most expensive bottle of wine

All right, you brought up the Kraken. Let's go to the Kraken. Let's go to Kraken. If you did the Steve Dangle draft picks trade for Mitch Marner on July 1st, but then immediately signed, let's say, Carolina walks them both to free agency, Brady Shea and Brett Pesci. I'm down. I'm down.

Interesting. And then you get the draft picks. Exactly. And get 10 of two while you're at it. Yeah, like, it'd be great. Like, why stop there? Yeah, it'd be great to get the stud defenseman. I think what it is, is who the hell is giving that up?

I would do Brandon Montour over Tanev. Would you? Like, what if it's Montour, Pesci, and Shea all on July 1st? Mitch Marnus traded for just the cap space. Okay. This is very NHL 24, and I love it. I have a vivid imagination. Here for it.

No chance they get three. Why not? No chance they get two of them. Okay, okay. Shea, we just steal them from Carolina. They walk to free agency. Shea and Pesci. You definitely want players Carolina doesn't.

Oh, well, the cap. You can't keep everybody. No, the cane. The cane. What if... All right, all right. Here, I'm doing Seattle. You ready?

What if Adam Larson, one year left, $4 million, has been very good since he got there? I'm listening, but I'm not enthused. Okay, and Jared McCann signed for three more years at $5 million. He's 27. That's a framework. And then maybe a pick.

Adam's always like, hey, here's some things that aren't worth it for me. I think Jared McCann at $5 million for three more years. There's a center. There's a center. There's a center. It's two things that they could really use in a Marner deal. A center and a right-handed defenseman. Adam Larson's not the guy, though.

He's not the guy, but he's very good. The trade lacks sex appeal. I'll give you that. But McCann, in the last three years, 27 goals, 40 goals, 29 goals. so if you can get a second line center who scores 30 goals there's one of your things that you don't have to worry about anymore that's nice move Tavares down to the third line McCann second Matthews first you bring in a top four guy in Adam Larson and in Toronto let's be honest he'd be top two until such time top one until such time as they were able to add to that and I don't think

re-signing Adam Larson is going to be that expensive for them if they want to keep him if it works but then you could go get as jesse said brady shea and brad pesci and everybody else sign them all i don't know why not why not go spend 10 million bucks on it why not i just you you also got to convince those people to join your team i think they could do that stay in toronto i think they could do that and also which one of them is playing on the third pair you're getting all imagine steve steve you're a free agent you're coming out of carolina And the general manager is talking to you and saying, not only can I give you this eight-year contract at the money that you want,

but I can give you free appetizers at any Boston pizza in Canada for the rest of your life. Wow. That's tampering. You just said you can't. It's delicious. You just said you can't. It's possible. I also want Shane Wright coming back in a Seattle.

You want Shane Wright? Yeah. Throw in Shane Wright. I don't know. No, just throw him in. Just throw him in. Throw him in. The fourth overall pick is not a throw in.

Throw him in. Throw him in tough. I'm not using him anyways. Kick him. You got him down in the AHL. You got him in the OHL. Just give it to me. Throw it in.

That's how you win deals. Yeah, shut up. You go to the WGF. Go win a digital cup. Go win a digital cup. I will try tonight. I will try tonight on the SDPN YouTube channel. Let's see Mitch Marner trade tonight.

That was 6.30 p.m. Eastern. Yeah, another episode of Nonsense. Hey, guess what? let's go i i'm trying to do it with mitch i believe in the core listen i know that they'll never do this jt like years ago but still i know that they'll never do this but the two things that i can't believe saint louis gave up uh were petrangelo and free agency over what they have and vince dunn yeah yeah an expansion i know seattle would never do this but vince dunn would be the guy who did they protect over vince dunn i think they had who did they okay saint louis i'd

have to look into it but they had they decided to go defense by committee because they signed the guy from uh boston and why can i not think of his name and then they have like marco scandela and stuff like that like they toy toy crew and then they got justin falk from carolina and gave him a lot of money a lot of money and i feel like they would have been smarter to just keep petrangelo and then move off of because they got nick letty as well but you could have moved off of i don't know you didn't have to do the justin falk deal you didn't have to do the tory krug deal one of those two and then you keep vince done even though he'd had some troubles i know that there was some issues there where like he wasn't getting in the lineup getting in the lineup yeah

pissed yeah um here's here's a very important question and you gotta ask cj this mcdavid on the show that you're posting with true for sure okay um the bonus to mitch what time and i'm being serious what time is it due to be paid july 1st and when does the cap clock turn over to the next day because if i'm not mistaken and i might be it's five o'clock p.m yes if i'm not mistaken i might be so we could on our free agency show get a mitch marner trade that's what i'm saying brooksie what i'm saying is you could potentially do a trade that night you know what i think while participating in free that's stupid you already uh i think you already outsmarted yourself in this theory because the way it's

gonna work is they'll have this planned a couple days ahead of time and if a mitch marner trade is planned it will leak and we'll know about it so if that trade that's gonna happen on july 1st happens that as soon as the salary cap turns over we're gonna know about a couple days before and if we hear nothing we'll know it's to the islanders there you go good point there it is we didn't even do an islanders mock trade but we don't need to nor would we dare all right this question everybody we did the segment you wanted to be done yeah yeah like i know we didn't answer an abundance of questions and yet we did yeah yeah no 30 of them were about martyr literally that was the majority of it i can't wait to get criticized for it too i'm thrilled i can't i

love love mock trade no that's that's the gig like especially when it comes to trade yeah like oh steve you're fucking guys are idiots i know yeah obviously fair enough you're not telling me anything i don't know all right we're gonna sign dry sidle in free agency as well let's go next season where this is from Matthew Pittman where do you guys think UFA Jonathan Marcheseau will end up this summer Vegas eight times three million dollars yeah I would be so sad if he wasn't a golden knight it would just be wrong I love this player Florida back to Florida Florida and he actually would fit in quite well there I don't know what I didn't even I haven't looked up his point totals but man that guy's a playoff guy that is yeah listen just like i'll say that

if if if connor mcdavid is in fact a free agent in two summers and the toronto maple leaves have not opened up cap space and make a pitch for him i would be pissed marcia so is a guy where i look at that and i'm like dude in playoff his career playoffs 76 points in 102 games uh he had 69 i think somebody's gonna pay too much for this guy had 42 goals this year no he's he's extremely good that's why that's why like does he make sense in like a place like nashville i was thinking about nashville their cap situation's very odd weird yeah um does tampa make sense wouldn't you hate it no tampa's gonna make some guys tampa's making some crazy moves this summer they're my team to watch because they are not happy with where they are they already made they already

brought mcdonough back it's either gonna go brandon sod chicago blackhawks second go-around or it's going to be the resurgence of the lightning and they're going to be a pain in the ass again. I imagine he wants to stay in Vegas. Dude, they're close. Yeah. They're close. I know they lost in the first round,

but it was to Dallas. And like Mark Stone, like what he said about how they treated the regular season, like he's right. And how do you not look at the last couple years of Vegas Golden Knights hockey and go, we could absolutely win the Stanley Cup in 2025? if your March is so.

I know this is, it's really going to come down to philosophy there. Because if he wants to maximize his dollars, it won't be in Vegas. He'll have to go somewhere else. And he'll probably have to go somewhere that's not all that close to winning. What about Utah?

That would fit the description. Not too far. Oh, you mean like distance? Yeah. Yeah. He can still live in Vegas. They're far from winning. yeah um uh you know maybe they get a little magic playing in a uh building but uh if your march is

so there's got to be an appeal to playing one more year at least in vegas like i i wonder if you signed some sort of write-off into the sunset contract with them kind of like alec martinez did his deals up but he could have gone somewhere else and got more yep and he's like nah i'm gonna win a cup and then he did or no it was after he won the cup yep it was last year i think being a vegas golden knight rules i think it's awesome and you know you could go you could fuck with happy or you could just stay where you're happy you don't have to uproot your family you can contend for a stanley cup there's a lot of appeal there man dude the guy scored 42 goals while averaging 1753 a night nice time oh oh man that was incredible so that's that's pretty sweet

because you guys are just chilling and scoring a bunch of goals. Jack, you take all the hard stuff. I'm going to just score goals back here. Mark Stone, this is all you. Listen, you're going to be a rich millionaire no matter what. Be a happy, winning, rich millionaire. Next question, Jess.

It's good for Florida that everything kind of worked out for them in the end based on where their team is right now, but there was a long time, a short time there where their moves in the expansion draft were just disaster. Oh, my God. Bad. Yeah, no, it was no bueno.

No. Next one's just a shout-out, not a question, to Sinead. I believe that's how you pronounce your name, S-I-N-E-D-A-D. Waiting for our flight home, this makes it better. Steve Dangle, Adam Weill, Jesse Blake. Sinead's in the airport playing Animal Crossing, waiting for a flight home to, I believe, Melbourne, somewhere in Sydney, or somewhere in Australia, uh playing animal crossing while watching us on a tablet in the airport that's cool i like to play video games while having a podcast on in the background too i do that that is the elite way

to consume podcasts yep while doing uh playing like a good chill run please record yourself saying mojo jojo stop it what do we have another question what is what is oh sorry i saw a tiktok about that today they're like hey australians how do you say mojo jojo is it marjorie and it was just an australian crying going yeah that's uh that's awful yeah uh this next question comes from jimmy c what is more boring slash undesirable activity than watching the jays right now hockey twitter on a day where there's no games yeah who was that who was that who was that dallas defenseman that everybody got into an argument about four or five years ago.

Isn't it hilarious? I don't remember. He's like a tweener and people just fucking lost their minds for this guy. Oh my god, I don't remember his name. Yeah, but you know what I'm talking about. I think the J's are about as exciting as a math test. Some people like math.

Some people like math. So for me, who doesn't? That makes you a narc. Steve, did you mean nerd? No. I feel like You're a police informant. The Jays are joyless. Even when they win, it sucks.

Because it's like, oh, if they win, that means we're just hiding the problem until tomorrow when the same problem will come up, which is this team isn't built well. It's very clear ownership is... I mean, I read yesterday, wasn't there an article saying that they would listen to trades on Bichette and Guerrero Jr.? And you're like, this team should have been spectacular.

And all they had to do was they were a couple moves away and they just were like, no, you know what? And I feel like it comes down to ownership. I don't think ownership wants to spend money right now. I couldn't, as someone who is already right at 9.9 in terms of stress from an 82-game NHL season, I physically couldn't handle living and dying by a 162-game baseball schedule.

That might be why it's so not pleasurable for you. The thing is, you don't live and die by every game because you look at the games at weeks or days at a time, series at a time. It's not every single day you're living and dying. I think most baseball fans kind of watch it that way. But once you get to the point where you kind of know what it is and you run out of like, hey, let's see how it is next day, then it's just like make the change, you know, and you're over the day-to-day of the baseball grind. Yeah, Ross Atkins just has always driven me nuts with the way he talks. And I'm sure he's a really nice guy. And I've interviewed Mark Shapiro, really nice guy.

But at what point do you guys just say, listen, we're handcuffed? Because I don't think that those guys are really to blame here. I think it's ownership saying it's Otani or you're not spending a dime. And that's what happened. Justin Turner is your, and I like Justin Turner, but Justin Turner is your big get? Yeah, that's your silver medal. IKF is your big get? Get out of here, guys.

I think it is worth mentioning that there is some recency bias in this question because it's like you forgot the Toronto Raptors existed. No, at least they're bad on purpose. I would argue that the Jays, they're supposed to be good, but they're bad is worse than the Raptors who was a 13-game losing streak. And then they won one game and then they lost like nine in a row. They lost to the Pistons. It was fucking awful Raptors season, but at least you know they're supposed to be bad.

The Jays are supposed to be good. And every time they go out there, like last night where they got shut out by the White Sox. And the White Sox are the only team in Major League Baseball who scores less runs than the Blue Jays. Oh, for God's sake. And then John Schneider goes up to the podium and he's like, you know what? That kid on the mound there, he's had three good starts in a row. He throws triple digits. He's 100 on the gun.

It's me. we got we got beat by a good pitcher and it's everybody's sick of it at this point because every day can't be the day you get beat by a good pitch yes it's eventually it's on the guys out there that are bad at hitting the baseball and um i think it's like with with ownership they do spend it's just like the spending hasn't been it like they they're not going to keep spending to just dig their hole even even bigger but they're like two hitters away they they and they didn't make the adjustment the adjustment should have been moving off some guys in the offseason bringing in new money but there was no movement on that they was like you said it was

kind of otani and then we just kind of sat and waited and justin turner was a great revelation early on in the season though but yeah and he's had the flu lately or something yeah like the guys the guys you need to step up are there john morosi this is a great tweet the blue jays have zero home runs from the cleanup spot this year four spot no home runs according to the ml uh mlb network research uh team this is the longest cleanup hr drought to begin an mlb season since the 1997 astros who went 60 games the 47 game drought from the cleanup spot is the longest in franchise history with any season surpassing a 46 game stretch from june to july in 1989 it's brutal i think we should all get to beat up the blue jays they can't hit they can't hit

they can't hit and they won't address the issue because it's they're handcuffed themselves into not being able like you can't address it by moving bo bichette right now or vladi or anything like that but something's got to give i like paying attention to like uh the vibes of every fan base and Leafs fans seem I don't know like there's a lot of excitement going on and some optimism some pessimism a lot of realism Raptors fans are very yep we're gonna rebuild damn we'll tune in in two years tune in two years damn sucks yeah uh whatever trust messiah meh Jay's fans for several years now have been like you're fucking dumb yeah like yeah there are pieces here but you're dumb and now it's not even the first part yeah exactly next question you don't you don't

sell us hey we're building a playoff team we got a playoff team it's gonna contend for a world series and all this stuff and then you jack ticket prices and the product you put on the on the field is not good enough it's crazy like it's it's unacceptable like you're trying to pay for all your renovations that you made to roger center i get with higher ticket prices and all that stuff but if the team's not good there's no reason for fans to support it like you need to fix that stuff anyways um last two questions kind of but last one question two people asked us what is your take on the disallowed ot goal in the stars abs game this one was from chrissy uh i would need to see it again from what i remember i thought it was very soft i thought it was soft too it

should have been a goal but the right team won yeah i think that's why it wasn't that big of a deal because in the end it was the yeah the abs lost and dallas won it was the matt duchesne goal i'll bring it up um and knock too well who also asked the same question well duchesne got the did did duchesne score both goals because he got the one that counted yes yes but then there was a mason marchman i know was he was in front and they called it goalie interference or something i thought it was really soft let me just uh let me show you um and we can't show you I'm pretty sure that's it yeah this is the one so yeah Matt Duchesne's in front I shouldn't say it's the Matt Duchesne goal it's Matt Duchesne he goalie interference on Georgiev so Matt Duchesne's in

front of Georgiev uh it's Makar I believe who comes right in front of him hits him into the goaltender. And Georgiev's got a foot out of the crease, too. And Georgiev's right there in the blue paint. What are we doing here? What are we doing? Yeah. And then the puck goes in the back. Man, really? That's soft as hell. Yeah, they called the goaltender interference on the ice,

and there was no conclusive evidence, quote, to overturn it. That's such crap. So the call was no goal on the ice. Boo. Yeah, that's crap. It should have been a goal. Goals conclude. And this is again, we come down to the end of the year. We said we had this conversation last year. The NHL needs

to define what it is and then tell us but they won't do that because they don't want to be held to account on anything and and that is the kind of stuff where you know it goes back to like i i'm old enough to remember the 1999 finals where brett hall after every foot increase goal that year had been disallowed brett hall scores went in the crease oh no the streamers already came down we couldn't we couldn't review the goal now the buffalo buffalo sabers fans rightfully so should be salty about that but are not they're like what well they're not they're not they don't bring it up all the time like we bring up the 93 fucking conference finals with gretzky in the high stick oh they bring it up at least as often they were you need to talk to more sabers they were robbed

they were robbed absolutely robbed of that game did dallas deserve to win the series that's for you to decide but but they were robbed on that game's bullshit call and the nhl has never never here we are 25 years later 2024 it's literally 25 years dallas could win the cup again this year um we their first one we do not have no conclusive whatever on this it's bullshit the nfl this preseason is testing a new system where you know how they have a chain gang steve you're not very familiar with football but like you know the basics of it you know how they measure like hey um 10 yards like we'll come out and we'll put the ball down and then we'll see like hey did they make the line to gain you roll out the chain gang and they put the sticks down and

the football's there and it's like oh but is it past the sticks they're testing out in pre-season digital versions of that so the ball is going to be able to be tracked with the line to gain you know how you see the yellow line on television but this is going to be more official to where it actually is and it's going to be able to know hey yes you did get a first down or no you didn't get a first down based on the chip in the ball technology and if it goes well in the pre-season it's going to be implemented this NFL season. Not, hey, we need another competition committee to meet in the summer and then maybe in a couple of years we'll get this all decided.

No, it'll be implemented right away. And if the NFL can do this, why can't we get a fucking chip in the puck to figure these things out? And we do have chips in the puck, Jesse. And we do have chips that are done by cameras. I know right now with the NFL, we talked about this many times, little dots on the puck where they're tracking everything. I'm just like, the technology's there.

The goaltender interference is a subjective one, but there's more ways we can define it so it's not as subjective. And the little things like offsides and the puck crossing over the line, we can do all that with technology now if these other sports are doing it. You don't need these people on the ice making bad calls. Is there any room for – because, okay, I understand why that goal was called back. You could definitely argue – No.

No, no, no. Here, let me get that. You could argue Deshane initiated contact with Georgiev. Is there any argument that you should be able to negate the call when Makar clobbers him into his own goaltender and spins him sideways? You know what I mean? The initial contact is not why that was a goal.

It was what happened after it. And you could say, nope, initiated contact. Nope, too bad. A goal is a goal, yeah. I just think there needs to be some common sense here. There was one that counted recently. I can't remember which. It counted because the goalie got clobbered,

but they're like, ah, he had enough time to reset. But I remember there was a regular season goal, Leafs-Kings in Toronto. Quick got hit, and he just gave up. One of the most tantrum-prone goalies of his generation just went nope not uh not playing hockey anymore and didn't even make an attempt to make a save and i feel like no matter what happened to you if you don't even try then it's a good goal i don't give a shit i don't care if he shanked you in the neck with his stick you didn't even try what are

you doing do your job yeah yeah they probably told him that no they said no goal yeah but they probably were like we can't let this happen i don't think anyone's ever told jonathan quick anything that's not nothing that he would listen to anyway no i think i think yeah long story short that should have been a goal but the right team won and the nhl got off maddie real lucky pull up this image um the argument is like dushane's in his space georgia of space there and then and then mccarr pushes them and things get worse but i don't know like cars in his space you should be of the screen goaltenders like let's let's not just have everybody two feet away from the goalie and macar's the one who pushes them and initiates the ultimate contact that leads to the goal like

let's get it right here in hl yep i agree i agree i i think the i mean it's a it's a pushy sport the lucky thing well well adam makes a great point of the the axe murderer uh like deaths that happened every single playoff like uh like your head's still sort of attached maybe two minutes yeah but we're gonna make it up versus no don't touch a goalie casey smith people forget this in the first round got absolutely crushed by was it evangelista or no michael mccarran michael mccarran michael mccarran just freaking laid him out he got he got fine yeah he got two minutes though it was like it was nothing but it's like oh but if you slightly engage georgiev a little bit on a play that frankly uh dushane is in the right spot georgiev

is in the right spot and they're not like they're rubbed up against each other it's it's more like a school dance though it's not like we're not talking like kc and jojo yeah yeah it's a little bit like you know a hug from behind um here here wait maddie this is this is gonna require a little bit of work on your part but here watch this okay see my finger no goal or sorry no i fucked it up oh this is bad this is this is bad goal goal goal goal goal goal are you gonna poke me goal goal oh no goal it's just so soft it's the soft it's ridiculous and and you know what's funny is the people who are like i love my make hockey violent again are not the ones being up they should be the ones who are upset about this where he at where he at watch an 80s goaltender in this

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