The Steve Dangle Podcast - Money Cannon | July 14, 2022

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Johnny Gaudreau signs with the Columbus Blue Jackets (00:00), the Vegas Golden Knights trade Max Pacioretty for nothing (53:00), the Toronto Maple Leafs sign depth pieces (1:09:00), the Oilers sign Campbell and Kane (1:26:00), and the Tampa Bay Lightning are unfair (1:35:00). ` Originally aired: July 11, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/mXmN6fg8E5I Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Individuals must be 19 years of age or older to open a Sports Interaction account. Terms and Conditions apply. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion. Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Sports Interaction is subject to successful AGCO registration and execution of an Operating Agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Eligible iGames conducted and managed by iGO are only available to those physically present in the Province of Ontario. Visit this episode's sponsors: https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn https://trybasis.com/sdp https://zbiotics.com/sdp https://mvmt.com/dangle Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Steve Dangle Podcast, powered by Sports Interaction, Canada's sports book. S-D-P-P, the Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! You know, I'm glad we did the Matt Murray Podcast when we did. Because honestly, it wouldn't even be in the top 10 stories today. To try as they might It was not all about the Leafs On free agency day

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On Charlie Montoyo Being fired On free agency day Did they have that Man Yeah that was Man I forgot that even That's the point

That's called a news dump From a Toronto Blue Jays team That doesn't want A lot of attention On firing their manager That was I saw that Obviously I had eyes

On Twitter but that broke during the draft stream i was doing grav and i'm like uh no we have to talk about this actually oh yeah very least briefly yes uh well i mean they're owned by canada's baseball team what was your take well it was just well yeah shit they're losing a lot of games and they shouldn't be it wasn't a very complicated take we didn't spend a lot okay but also like you got to remember my co-host was from texas and that's why i'm so interested to hear what he said and he does grabs gaffs uh and talking about baseball dang it's basically and and that's you know you're supposed to contend for the world series and you end up firing your manager

that's dang it that's a little dang it yeah dang it is for for all like the tailspin that they're in they're still in the playoff spot because mob expanded the wild card so they're in like the third wild card spot hell yeah brother and the division's really tough like every team is above 500 right now and the Oilers are at the Oilers the Orioles are on like a 10 game winning streak it's

tough for the Jays right now being good at baseball no believable they're trying to lose and all of a sudden they're really good no way if you want an NHL

free agency recap for day one the Jesse Blake sports report you're listening to it featured Andrew Berkshire so Jesse got a bit of a head start on this episode but I

think we got to start today with Johnny Goudreau rejecting the Flames the Flyers the islanders new jersey and probably a few others for columbus and before we get into this i want to say two things okay two things i need to say number one aaron port's line uh blue jackets reporter for the athletic blue jackets reporter slash columnist slash expert extraordinaire in front of the show will be on the show tomorrow to break it down for us right so aaron uh aaron is

the uh the the guy you want to talk to also we're doing a show tomorrow yeah we're doing another show tomorrow uh number two can you chill the fuck out with your columbus hate especially if you're canadian why let me just say this before we get in the johnny talk americans talk about columbus the same way they talk about canada interesting so don't go jumping on the bandwagon wagon and shitting on columbus because americans treat columbus and buffalo new york like they treat all of this country if the states could give buffalo to canada for free they would they would and honestly like if you've been have you been to ohio how many people been to ohio i've been to ohio i've been to ohio i've been to dayton i've been to columbus i've been to

cleveland i've been to cincinnati been everywhere i've been to one of those places columbus is a much nicer city than people give it credit for it's a great university town um i listen i get that you're surprised but don't hate on columbus the city because you're surprised a free agent signed there i don't i don't think it has anything to do with the actual city oh there was there was a lot maybe not for you those people are idiots yes like i think i think the shock the shock should be that johnny goudreau signed with columbus and that's fair that's uh they've never been a destination for stars no ever and i think it's it's we're lying to say oh no we all expected this offseason johnny goudreau would sign with the columbus and i agree and in no way am i saying

that all right every star they've ever had is left so here's yeah before we talk about how yarmo pulled this off let's talk about what the other teams weren't able to do except for warrenski he was drafted there and panarin who was traded there it's like it's almost like what the raptors have to deal with the in the nba it's like we can't sign you but we will trade early 2000s blue jays yeah we're always able to get just enough stars that were okay in time for them to leave that's a good point and by the way those early 2000s blue jays would have made the playoffs 10 times over under the expanded rules but you know that's what it was well let's start with some of the teams that johnny rejected because columbus i think is the last piece to fall here let's talk

about the other teams that he did not sign with and i want to start not with the flames guys i start with the philadelphia flyers the the worst run team in the league johnny gaudreau maybe was supposed to be a philadelphia flyer bottom three team in the league in terms of being run johnny goudreau was supposed to be a philadelphia flyer he wanted to be i think that was the goal that was number one i want to be closer to home i don't i don't know who he grew up cheering for well he was he grew up in new jersey so yeah but he wanted to be a flyer on this particular occasion we'll get to new jersey don't worry devils fans we haven't forgotten i saw some people doing uh some geography lessons on where johnny goudreau grew up because they're like oh technically it's

closer to philly because because they're doing the that county area i forget i forget what specifically i'm not from the area like i don't know they're doing like the washington philly new jersey kind of tri-state area there's a lot of people technically you know philly's his home team even though it's in jersey i was like i don't get it well also the adorable peasants uh marking how far of a drive it is from columbus to new jersey did you see what he signed for they're not driving they're gonna yeah they're gonna fly they're gonna take a 35 minute flight and look down at all the pores. Yeah, do you think, what is he,

jumping in his Aerostar minivan and driving out there? Like, that's not happening. Come on. Guys, he's Johnny Gaudreau. He's Toyota Tercel. Yeah, all right, pack up. Is there enough, there's not enough gear

in the Tercel for my hockey bag and your stuff, honey, I'm sorry. Going to watch Johnny Gaudreau play on the road again. Sure am happy for Johnny Gaudreau. He sure is doing well, but the rest of the family doesn't get to partake in that what about his family what if his family moved to columbus and

who knows being close to family is a different uh kilometer away when you're rich right well and yeah good point it's columbus the first team to ever have 82 home games right you don't spend all your time at home anyway on the road half the time and how many times are they playing philly because they're in that division well and yeah a bunch of teams in that division are like two kilometers apart like it's yeah um guys you're not you're not looking at reality like johnny goudreau looks at reality not enough is being made about how the flyers mess this up chuck fletcher had this in the bag so here are the factors that likely contributed to the demise as johnny goudreau as a flyer at least until maybe he gets traded there one day first off

they got no cap space after blowing their brains out on tony d'angelo's weird deal that they didn't need to make that's a weird deal right yeah like okay so was he not heading for unrestricted free he's an rfa he's an oh he was an rfa okay so that was a ufa last year and then re-rfa'd kind of like kasha yes a little bit um and don't worry we're gonna talk about don waddell later yeah what a day i piece of anyway um so with tony d'angelo like let's let's forget about the the history and all that the trade let's say the trade's not too much let's say that's not even the the worst part of it you give you trade for a guy and give five million dollars a year to a guy who has the same skill set as a guy you already have you trade for and sign Tony D'Angelo you're

immediately admitting Rasmus Ristolainen was a mistake how many draft picks and prospects Did the Flyers give up to sign Rasmus Ristelainen and Tony D'Angelo to over $10 million combined? Robert Haig, a first-round pick and a second-round pick for Rasmus Ristelainen. Plus a second, third, and fourth for Tony D'Angelo. Are you out of your mind? Yeah. What's the matter with you? And that, not, oh yeah, we didn't want to give up a first to dump JVR.

that is what screwed up johnny gadreau for you well and here here's so yeah what were you thinking number two and i think we got a member so we mentioned the cap space you know blow the brains out on the tony d'angelo thing number two hiring uh john tortorella listen johnny johnny gadreau did well under sutter but i don't think playing under guys like sutter and torts can be like i know people love tortorella but some people hate tortorella player and most players really like him and torts but torts how does torts feel about small guys who just do offense uh generally not that great although he did he did coach panarin yeah and he's not as short as johnny and panarin hightailed it out of there as soon as he could yeah you're right not and no offense columbus but

that's you know that's what happened yes and then you've got number three and i think this is the most important factor guys you've got a directionless franchise here's here's what we know we know that philadelphia they know all flyers fans the entire nhl can see it within 18 to 24 months there will be a rebuild triggered in philadelphia you know this it will kick off within the next two years ownership uh has to yet has yet to realize that this team's a mess i don't know how they've been hoodwinked but my bet is the downfall of chuck fletcher has already begun and it started yesterday when he missed out on gaudreau because that's the kind of thing that makes Flyers' ownership go,

maybe you're not as good. And it's not because they're not idiots. That family is not stupid. The dude you hired to spend money couldn't. Like that's... Wow. You bring in Chuck Fletcher to give everyone money.

And he gave so many people money that he couldn't give anyone money. Like... What kills you? What kind of contracts kill you in the NHL, Steve? Bad ones. We talk about the middle range. range in the five ish million five to six million you know what andre palat signed for six million

bucks and i didn't see anyone call that contract bad hey they said it could get rough towards the end could get rough towards yeah that's every freaking call so i want to remind everybody everybody that said yesterday that the contract could get rough towards the end i have to remind you that in 2025 the cap's gonna jump by like 10 million dollars i don't think any of these contracts are gonna matter no and you know who will still be locked up to a deal with a team within the Flyers division? Johnny Gaudreau. That's right.

Now, so Johnny Gaudreau's got to look at those three factors. First off, no cap space. Chuck Fletcher said that was the reason. Let's be honest. That wasn't the reason. They would have found a way to make cap space. Had Johnny Gaudreau wanted to be a Flyer yesterday, he'd have been able to sign because he could sign 10% over.

They never offered him a deal because they didn't have the space to offer the deal. They said that they were in on Johnny Gaudreau. They were in on him, but they never found the money to offer him the $9 million to $10 million that he wanted. but they have it they have it they don't have the room you can go 10 over they have it they don't have the they never had the room to offer him a legitimate offer but then you force yourself into a bad deal and they didn't want to move off jvr to make the room they already signed d'angelo's they couldn't make johnny goudreau an offer all they would have actually had to do is take jvr's

contract and buy it out they could have they didn't want to do that i'm gonna see if i can buy it didn't said he didn't have the cash space to do the johnny goudreau deal and the reason he didn't have the cash remains because his own doing man like so the idea that goudreau rejected the flyers i think is a little is we're misconstruing that because the flyers were never a dance partner uh by chuck fletcher's own doing i don't think you can trust chuck fletcher's statements on that i think there was a contract that they that could have been made if if uh the flyers had truly wanted to but i think that what happened was you got an you got a guy who just looks at that franchise and doesn't want to be there actually because if johnny gaudreau says

to everybody no philadelphia is my team they find a way to get that done so i did you not just say philly had some cap space no i didn't know i said they've got they can go 10 over they're at 82 million well they're actually so they have negative 48 000 in cap space yes that's true but also they are over yeah but they got ltir with alice and couturier oh they don't have but those guys are playing ellis ellis is supposed to be there for training camp right the idea though that they couldn't get this done is what i'm saying they could have got this done he didn't want to be there uh who runs the power play in philly let's pretend everyone's healthy everyone's healthy who runs the power on the on the point yeah proverov what right no so they got

proverov they got ristalina and i'm pretending everyone's healthy you got proverov you have ryan ellis you have ristalina you have tony d'angelo how many power plays you can't really think they have the same skill set guys yeah well i'm i would probably have ryan ellis as my top guy if he's healthy if he's which he's he never is not tony d'angelo that's where he gets his cookies that's where rasmus ristolainen gets his cookies that's where prover what are you doing well and they're trying to move off of proveroff why which begs the same a trade asset yeah they don't like him i've heard he's unpopular they don't like him and are you serious yeah so you have a depreciated asset and someone's gonna rinse you yeah so like

chuck fletcher's not even done having a bad off season like i hope you know that right he's gonna get rinsed on the pro verov deal and then you're gonna have you're probably gonna have some guys who are unhappy with the amount of power play. Like, what the fuck? I'm used to running the top unit of the power play and now I'm not even on it. What are you doing? They're one of the few teams in the league

who would probably be justified running two defensemen on the power play, so they can work it out that way. Sure. Assuming everyone's healthy. And also assuming everyone's healthy, what does Ristolainen make? 5.1. 5.1?

What the fuck? you're spending like 16 million dollars on the right side what the fuck what are you doing i know i just said what is it but i i don't i don't understand i don't know why i believe is what you were looking for qua la fuck uh so directionless franchise why the seal hiring a defensive minded coach probably and and that's probably lesser of the three and then no cap space after you know spending it on other people and not dumping when you could um because to me is here's how you got to look at it if you're dumped if you're going to dump uh jvr and it's going to cost you the first would you pay would you in a trade situation

would you trade jvr in a first for johnny gaudreau uh uh i understand what you're saying um no well yes you would the answer is yes no and i'll tell you why okay yes because i'm convinced that johnny gaudreau makes me good but in reality even if the flyers got johnny gaudreau they that's why he didn't go there i'm telling you that's why i didn't go there squeak into a playoff spot they're not a good team getting johnny gaudreau helps you salvage jvr i honestly think so is it banging in rebounds on the power play where he doesn't really have to move ideally But that's why you don't make the D'Angelo move

If they'd let D'Angelo it would have been fine And this all just comes down to You fucked up the cap and if you didn't Fuck up the cap you could have had Johnny Goudreau Yeah The number's there for everyone to see I don't Who are his assistants

I don't know Chuck Fletcher's assistant GMs are not doing their job Everyone around that team Isn't doing their job and if they are doing their job they're doing it poorly who do we got uh i don't have i was just looking up how long he's been there 2018 december of 2018 is when he was and the flyers have gotten appreciably better since yeah dude hasn't like missed a day of work since clinton and and has been bad the whole time like i guys i just don't get it then this goes back to yeah i had a bone

to pick with him when he was with minnesota well yeah and we all remember what a great job he did with minnesota all right like this dude has been yeah they're strapped 30 30 something million dollars in cap space over the next three years because of him we know like it's crazy you know that i didn't approve a lot of the stuff that mark bergevin did right but i can at very least look at him and go he did a good job at this he did a good job at this he had a track record of making to the second third and fourth round regularly missing the playoffs track record of that there are guys in the sport where i'm like not the biggest fan of you but you did this well did that well did that well what does chuck fletcher do well boo get out of here i'm

confidently a solid percentage of our discord could do a better percent could do a better job at the flyers just what's the solid percent 75 yeah yeah if you've managed to franchise in nhl 22 we were talking before the show about how this guy's just been in hockey for so long and how since 1993 when he was assistant gm of the florida panthers since then he really hasn't missed a year of hockey where he didn't have a job in a front office of the organization and his track record just isn't there for someone to have this long of a run in the national hockey league running these teams he's also 25 when he got that job yeah what a wunderkind and i was 52 and he hasn't missed a day of work and and like even let's pretend it's flyers ownership did you

learn though is what i would ask oh yeah sorry continue what if it's flyers ownership who's controlling this well just like minnesota he's the guy who you hire when you need to do this when you when you when you need a pinocchio when craig leopold needs a fall guy yeah when you need a pin he's the best pinocchio gm there is he's he's a he's a he's a puppet what maybe he's not a puppet because if he isn't a puppet that's worse yeah because that means he's been in here long enough to know better and he doesn't know better well and even if he is a puppet you know what most billionaires know how to do count come on and this is where what are you doing my point about him losing face with ownership on this one i think ownership wanted this done and i think this is

how this is how you lose face with ownership yeah they might they might look at that you never know the ownership could look at that that group and either not know or not care enough to to know the difference between whether it's a good team or bad team we all know it's going to be a bad team but there's a lot of owners who are absentee who are like oh that's great throughout the team on let's see what happens oh it's bad all right later you're out of here i think that when you miss you swing and you miss on a free agent that was a slam dunk who wanted to come you lose face to ownership it doesn't matter what else you do in fact we've seen situations where owners don't get the guy that they want and the team's a playoff team in the and the gm still gets sacked

and that's that's just what happens so i think in this particular instance i think if you're johnny goudreau and you say to the flyers you're my team figure it out he's a flyer today yep dude but he didn't say that and there's a reason for that and he should have been saying that now do you want to do one more thing now i was just gonna say any president of hockey ops or owner should go to their general manager and say let me see your phone go through their call history and if they don't see chuck fletcher say if his name if his name is not in your recently called numbers by the end of the day you're fucking fired uh the devils were the next team now listen there were a lot of devils fans who were very upset with my take on the devils last week that uh

uh the flyers might still be better than them you said the flyers and columbus well columbus is like without question and i would have said that before good better than you did better than the devils yes you said that before they are better than the devil they are better than the devils the devils are still bad and they still don't have their goalie figured out and they're still bad luke hughes or sorry jack hughes nico he sure uh jack roslovich pick the third best a lot they did and then it's and then after that it's thomas tatar and andreas yanz and eric holla good players this is not a great team yet and i think johnny gaudreau is looking at that and going man dougie hamilton sure had her like i i saw dougie hamilton in the devil's jersey last

year oh yeah depressing van vanecheck blackwood with an un it's better than john gillies and the other guy yeah but and then you know to be fair jonathan bernier was injured most of last year i looked at the devil's heading into last year and i was like you know what they at least prepared and then you plan god laughs happened yes and yeah like worst case scenario underrated worst case scenario happened to them yeah sort of i they'll i don't know how good they'll be i think you're underselling them though a little bit i think they're being oversold to me when we when we shit on them in the winter i was 100 with you and they they converted me they converted me by being bad what what results did they have that converted you well they had shitty goalies i i'm

i'm a believer i'm a yeah that's true i'm a believer in their future though i i agree with you but right now as it stands the devils are not a good hockey team yeah nhl standard but they're better than they were six months ago fair enough and did johnny goudreau think that because according to mike stevens the new jersey devils offered north of 10 million dollars and a seven-year deal and he chose less money to sign with columbus that's right so did goudreau look at that lineup and say you know what that boy adam wilde's right i don't think he said i was right but i think he was like i am coming off a first place team in our division we went to the second round we should have done better than we did against edmonton that's for sure but like we were unstoppable

bowl our first line me on it 40 40 40 in the goal department unreal and then i gotta go to play with that in new jersey and and wait a couple years till they maybe get better i don't know what about columbus like does he think cole cylinder's fucking gretzky maybe he is i look at jack hughes and uh he sure and i'm like yeah i want to play with that i think jack hughes more than he sure i'm still not sold on he sure as like a superstar he's a good player i bet johnny would make him better yeah certainly he would he would for sure so devils probably doesn't wait here's what i wanted about the islanders because this is another team that he rejected could it be and i and i say this is not a salty leaves fan because i actually genuinely think

lou lamborello was the one of the biggest factors in the turnaround in toronto and the culture change and the way things used to be i have to say that i agree with that lou lamborello also is extremely old school and i wonder if it gives free agents pause and i want to bring this up because he has swung and missed on major, major free agents, most major free agents, since he got there. I mean, like, Lou took, because he had just got there, almost no heat for losing Tavares, and he should have taken huge criticism for that.

It seemed like, I think Islanders fans took that as, yeah, they were going to lose him no matter who was in charge. Okay, and I don't think that was necessarily true. No. Brand new arena, great young team, but you can't sell johnny gadreau on a team that went to the conference finals two years in a row and missed the playoffs because they spent the first 20 games on the road last year and you have one of the best young goalies in the league they also came in at less money so andy graziano

reported they offered seven by nine flat so they're less money than columbus pretty significant yeah over seven years you're making over five and a half million dollars less than he took in columbus which isn't is insignificant yeah and and and it goes to show and i i think it's money is obviously the issue there because he already left about 15 million dollars over the course of the contract uh on the table by signing in columbus but lou coming in at that number are you nuts and also i want to point this out andy graziano with another great tweet friend of the show we love andy lou was hired in may of 2018 as far as i can tell please correct me if i missed anyone the The departures are Tavares, Eberle, Letty, Lange, Hosang, Dalkol, Komarov, DeHaan, Tez,

Boychuk, who was injured, Halak and Grice. The additions are Peugeot, Parise, Palmieri, Chara, Green, Varlamov, and Sorokin. Mixed. Mixed at best. But I would say the departures outweigh the additions. As good as Peugeot, as good as Varlamov, as good as Sorokin have been. It's not great. well and like the barzal relationship appears to be somewhat tumultuous too yeah a little bit and

i just you know now you and now by the way you know what andy didn't create a didn't add on that barry trotz that's a bad one who do they got do they have one uh they did they hired their assistant coach oh right right and who i think is going to have like a different outlook on the offense and that sort of thing they got a brand new arena they got an exciting young team lame lambert imagine gaudreau and barzal together that would have been sick that would have been yeah that would have been magical so so again we don't have that and then here's the most perplexing team that johnny rejected it's the calgary flames now we'd heard he'd wanted to be closer to the eastern seaboard but as steve rightly pointed out when you're that kind of rich

distance doesn't matter as much it's not as much of a barrier you can move your parents out there and buy them a house calgary houses are the cheap or like you could buy a mansion for like two million bucks in calgary and i'm talking like three four thousand square feet yeah but we're we're talking about well maybe they don't want to move to fucking calgary well they got great kid on the way so maybe they want to consider that that's part of it maybe that that maybe that i'm kidding what but what i'm saying is it's we're talking about like a 45 minute flight versus like four hours okay okay and and you know the travel in the west is harder three four but gaudreau left guys it's not a little bit of money money here 15 million dollars on the table we're

talking about close to 30 of the total contract value he left on the table now you're the money guy here we're talking about uh they were talking about taxes and everything like he still would have made more oh yeah and also uh in calgary uh because of the alberta tax system it's only 10 your income tax is like 10 yeah it's less than the national average way less all right way plus you're only taxed on 41 of your home games you only get taxed on the games you play in whatever state you play in or province you know yeah so it's the tax thing i think is a little overblown because like alan walsh says any smart accountant can make that stuff work yeah and there are guys who are specifically paid to do that yeah um so part of it might be the fact that it is canada

i want to go back to the states uh part of it could be the location the fact that you know like we said his wife apparently is having a baby this summer he wants to be close to family i get that um but i also i wanted to ask that is that all is that really all because something seems fishy about this and i have some thoughts and i want to ask you guys stars like okay blue jackets fans like please do not take offense to this but stars like johnny gaudreau especially after the season that he had best season of his career they don't go to teams like columbus that doesn't not in free agency they have no and it's not even the market like columbus is not a contender they're not ready to contend and they're not going to be ready to contend like for a while unless

like they don't even have linea locked up their top center is it's like cole cylinder or ross levic like well i just pointed out to you flyers had no cap space new jersey sucks the islanders offered less money and you got to be in the east but even going to that that team like stars don't leave successful teams like yes across pro sports if you're a star on a team and they're on the rise and it's your time to resign if the team is doing well and you've had the best career season of your entire career you re-sign 99 out of the time it's just it's such a shock and like i i want to know what it is about the team in calgary uh the management in calgary that he dislikes so much that he has to leave this on ice perfect situation to go to uh an unknown in columbus now i wonder

if the two covid seasons made a lot of players and you know he's american as well i'm wonder if it made him run for the hills yeah oh bogosian left because of that like he's canadian though yeah that's what i mean though it's like these guys they could go on the road and go have dinner with their buddies uh on the road and then they came to canada and you can't leave your house yeah but you can now but you can't now i think some players were like you know what the country and the city are kind of the answers that i keep lambing on how about this could it be that offering him over 10 million dollars a year came too late the last we had heard they were well north of 10 million but the previous offer was eight years at

9.5 right up until two days before free agency hit and you have to wonder had they made that offer north of 10 million over eight years in february or march does he take it yeah i think he's probably like what the fuck why did it take i am johnny goudreau i've been great on this team even when it's been bad except for the playoffs sometimes had some bad playoff runs we get it his last moment there as a flame isn't great right but but i have been through thick and thin with this team and now several minutes before i'm an unrestricted free agent now you come with your best offer how about you stick it up your ass dude the the i was i was hard on the you know what it's time to get rid of brad true living train and then they had an amazing season well

they performed to what they should have been and they were always this good the way it ended and then they lose gadreau oh like you're talking about how flyers ownership are maybe looking at chuck fletcher sideways what is flames ownership looking at true living like this morning to that point you better get cadre the problem he doesn't want to go no he nicks to trade there the problem for the Flames right now is that without Johnny, Matthew Kachuk and Elias Lindholm's chances

of getting over 40 goals next season are much diminished. I think that's fair to say, right? They have... The chances of them scoring that many goals, they'll score goals, but 40 each?

If you're... I think... I think Matthew Kachuk, he's not tap dancing. He's pissed, probably, that Johnny Gaudreau is gone. From a negotiation standpoint, just break the bank open.

he's a year from ufa and there are rumors in calgary floating around right now that that what keeps happening is people keep going yeah but matthew kachuk's future he's a year from ufa and he doesn't want to go through a rebuild my number if i'm matthew kachuk is two digits oh yeah give me one year is what i'm saying if i'm at the yeah you're walking me to ufa yeah well and true living literally can't do that so they either have to trade him this summer or give him way too much money way too much money he could ask for more than gaudreau got uh they're in an awful situation certainly he could ask for that off certainly i also want to say terrible a lot of people don't uh don't remember this because it happened in ottawa no offense ottawa but like it

wasn't the top story brady kachuk and the senators that that negotiation was nasty and then matthew kachuk hold out too oh sure and keith kachuk keith kachuk's been through this they've got good representation they're not fucking around here these guys are out to make as much money as they can as they should in the time that they're allotted calgary look like one of the best young promising teams that's going to dominate for like a good five-year stretch here if they just lock up the young core and in within like 48 hours it's all come crumbling down can i throw out a dark horse team to acquire matthew kachuk if push comes to shove who ottawa oh that's interesting they would they could give him they could give him a lot they

could give him they could give him and his brother uh matching contracts and still be well below the cap they could they matthew would have to get paid more than his brother no the the only problem with that is their top six looks like it's solid and they need to real sign a whole bunch of them for next season and brady says bring in my brother i'm requesting where they need to brady's got his contract locked up yeah where they need to use that cap space to add is their defensive core like they have one solid defenseman and shabbat and five guys and a real guess on defense or on goalie to camp talbot's good yeah they got a lot of saves out of forsberg yeah i loved anton forsberg that was a waivers pickup i know everybody

everybody could add them well and how many teams did have them and right lost them yeah so like If you're Dorian, you wisely spend that money on defense. And the reason I bring up Ottawa is I'm looking at Matthew Kachuk and I'm looking at all the leverage he has. The leverage Calgary has is look around the league, Matthew. Who has the space for you? And the answer is very few teams and the teams that do don't have the money. Ottawa looks like they're – how much money did they just spend?

They were one of the biggest spenders. Yeah. You need to save some though. I have a question. A bunch of contracts come up next year. I have a question, guys. It's Matthew Chuck. What about Columbus?

They don't have the space. Right now. And trade line A to Calgary? Yeah. Oh, there you go. That's fun. That's a fun one. I think line A is getting moved.

I think a bunch of guys are getting moved. I wonder where Calgary goes from here. That management group cannot feel good. That's rejection on a whole next level. And I think Flames fans have a right to be pissed about it. i like i completely get it um but i also think that you can't lay this at johnny's feet he can go wherever he wants yeah it's his it's his contract right to do it his reasons don't have to make sense to you columbus is still closer people like oh he said he wanted to go home and

i was okay with that but now i'm not um you don't matter in this decision and i and and and i i'm you know when tracy mcgrady left i was pissed when vince carter asked for a trailer man i was pissed When Doug Gilmore was traded I was fucking broken hearted But he asked for a trade He asked to get out of here It's none of my business I don't matter in that equation

He played out his contract And he had the right Doug Gilmore was still under contract Yeah Goudreau as a UFA had the right to go wherever he wants Oh yeah The 2016 draft is Like the top of it is so tough

So there's Matthews Okay 60 goal scorer just won the heart I'd say the Leafs did well Next pick is Laine who was in winnipeg and was sick and then wasn't sick and then got traded uh pierre luke dubois who he was traded for who apparently doesn't even want to be there he didn't want to be in columbus doesn't want to be in winnipeg we don't know where he wants to be fourth pick jesse pulley rv who the oilers kicked out and then begged to come back and are kicking out again number five

olie levy goodbye matthew kachuk probably gonna hold out for the second time now clayton keller like the coyotes are looking good with that one actually number eight alex nylander montreal mikhail sergachev smart pick out you go uh number 10 tyson jose colorado out you go dude that's a rough top 10 like a really underratedly rough top 10 not in terms of their bad players necessarily but just how they worked out with the teams who actually picked them yeah it didn't go well now a lot of people do let's get to the actual question why columbus i uh last man standing columbus it feels like it blue jackets fans um i'm sorry you can't tell me you're not surprised i'm surprised i don't are people acting like they're not surprised some

people are acting like they're not surprised and i think that's a little ridiculous all right now now the other thing is like it's july what 14th they're not done however um like even the framework man well okay let's talk about the framework they killed the first round of the draft this year columbus on the back end is set yes going forward yeah not necessarily right now but going forward yeah they're set so if i'm yarmulke i don't even worry about that i don't even worry about that uh i get a veteran with big fists um to help usher them into the future oh i'm starting to understand the eric branson contract now still bad really bad yeah well yarmo signed the best and the worst

contract yesterday literally literally like no hyperbole um yeah johnny gaudreau must really like eric branson um going forward like yeah cole cylinder is gonna be good surely kekalina kekalina loves to swing for the fences yes right there was the big offer to panarin and a lot of people forget that he frigging offer sheeted uh Marner Marner it's just Marner didn't sign it he was gonna give him like 12 million bucks he was it was 12 it I thought it was higher I guess

the max right it would have made him like the highest or second highest paid player in the league yeah like he was offered more than Matthews currently makes wild wild so he likes to swing for the fences I would like to think that he is not done uh he's not done but i mean kekalainen must have really painted a vivid picture of the future for johnny uh like i'm not trying to be insulting i don't get it and i can't i think i

have a pretty good imagination well i think i can't picture i don't know why he i don't know why you did it the reason i structured this the way i did is because i wanted to run through the teams that were in and i wanted to run through why they weren't a fit okay so you got flyers jersey islanders flyers a mess jersey not good islanders offered less money than calgary and then calgary which you know came to him at the last minute but i think geography is probably the main focus on that one although if i'm him and they don't offer the kind of money i want until the last minute i'm like yeah how about how about you guys go fuck off too like i i get that i understand that kind of like you know what i'm gonna make you look at how negotiations work what

are we it is deadlines clear the mind and the deadline reached and they offered the contract i still think i think in that case though they were grinding him right that nine they were like nine and a half is the most we can do okay fine we can do like 10 and a half 11 like that's come on different people handle different negotiations differently um like i uh there was an experience that i can recall uh where someone was told not to take things personally and uh the person had a very difficult time with that because your income your livelihood is extraordinarily personal like odds business what the fuck it's it's how i pay for life what are you talking about don't take it personally evgeny malkin uh some people said acted like a baby uh during his

negotiations with pittsburgh i think evgeny malkin acted like evgeny malkin and i'm not saying that as an insult he's an extraordinarily emotional player on the ice greasy as fuck actually like really underratedly greasy but he did to pittsburgh exactly what he did the last time like i'm not doing it i'm not doing it i'm not doing it all right what do you got for me well crosby apparently made a phone call too and said can you guys talk the last time yeah and and what groundbreaking thing did sydney crosby making that call don't leave i think and he did it while uh making a putt with nathan mckinnon and i think i think also he would i I think Gino was pissed off

because he couldn't get that fourth year until the last minute as well. And then he got it. And he got it. And then now you better win. Like, you guys are three old guys that got the band back together. You better show us you can still play the hits.

It's a reunion tour, baby. Yeah, like, come on. So there was the hot-headedness of Evgeny Malkin, but then there's the Russian, like, all right, fine. Ah. Like, and, but not everyone has that. So, like, maybe they did?

With? Break Gaudreau's heart? I don't know. with columbus and like what the hell's going on there uh yesterday on the jesse blake sports report i tried to liken it to uh the tavarez deal a little bit but what i should have compared it to was more so the panarin deal with when new york went out and paid all of that money for panarin when they were they had just released their letter to the public about how they're going to go through a rebuild and i think it was two years after that that letter was released they go out and they

Signed Panarin to this giant contract and then we Stay here last year and all of a sudden They outperform all expectations I could see something similar Happening with Columbus maybe not this season But the next season because if you look At their decor it's very young They were 14th I think in the league

In scoring and where they struggled Was defense they couldn't stop Anything I think their expected Goals were 26th In the league and they got a goalie And what Kekalainen did he's like okay We need to help these young defensemen we need to help jake being on the back end we need help boy quest i'm gonna go out and get a big body i'm gonna go

get erica branson so to his credit there he filled the need that he needed to do maybe the contract's ridiculous but the guy he needed there is and maybe you get goudreau a year early because this is when he's the ufa and then it might not be this season but next year might be the season where everything kind of comes together and we see the rest of the puzzle pieces form and we're like oh yeah that was a great move getting to draw that off season when you could get hit we're too close to the picture right now and we're looking at columbus as how do they contend for a cup next season yarmo kekalainen invested in the columbus blue jackets yesterday we are a team that can get stars and with zach warensky and maybe overpaying there too definitely overpaying

there too we can retain them as well like people don't understand the long history Panarin, Rick Nash, dude, Jeff Carter got there and wanted out immediately. Last off season, Seth Jones. Seth Jones, Sergei Bobrovsky was another big one. They don't stay. Whether you draft for them or you trade

for them, they don't stay. Wierenski was the first real stay and Goudreau was a recruitment. Now you got two. Now you got two. and you know people want to win i well i also wondered guys i want to throw a name in the hat because i think for both columbus and for calgary this could be an option but less less so for columbus now um you know if you're going to move line a you need a finisher

patrick kane's name has come up and i and and i almost wonder for calgary like listen they've got the cap space we'll take them not retained and we'll give you assets uh for a season going to columbus after the panarin stuff is very funny that would be funny i'm just gonna throw it out that it's very and wouldn't it wouldn't it help you if if you're true living i mean if i'm true living you gotta all the personal issues i get it i get it but i think if you're looking in terms of the nhl gm scope they're gonna say okay this guy is a phenomenal playmaker phenomenal hockey player who's the guy most likely to replace johnny gaudreau with lindholm and kachuk uh boy patrick kane uh could bring those guys back up to 40 goals a piece ain't happening no ain't happening he's

got a full no move here's so stay in chicago then it's really well so chicago's trying to force his hand there there are a few really interesting players in the nhl right now and they all stink um because no no it's not sorry not actual players i mean players as in teams because there are all these now there's this weird log jam kane and taves are at some point gonna snap and one out and i think they've snapped i think they want out now it makes no sense for even if you're going for conor bedard it makes no sense to have these two players in your team if you are both going to be UFAs next year. If you were evil enough, would you play out your season

so Chicago doesn't get any assets and then you're a UFA and you walk? I mean, it's going to involve you throwing away a year of your life. No, you get to play in Chicago. What if you get an injury? What if you have surgery? That could

happen. That could happen. But I don't know. Ottawa has a ton of cap space. They don't stink. Seattle, Chicago, ironically, Arizona. There are a bunch of teams in the league who still want to do stuff,

who don't have any room to do stuff. Anaheim is one, yep. And they bought with Ryan Strom. That was another one I thought was confusing. But at the very least with the Ducks, you look at them and you're like, oh, well, they got guys going forward. You know what I mean?

And they got a goalie. yeah yeah i get it i sort of get it i wonder if there are deals out there for those teams where they look at a team like maybe not the flyers because they seem to have surrendered but you know let's let's take a team like the leafs for example they're two million dollars away from the cap with uh a 21 man roster that's tough two million away from the cap and they still need to sign Engvall and Sandin. If I'm any of those teams, I'm picking up the phone and I'm calling the Leafs and I'm saying,

what can I do for you? Yeah. And like not even a blockbuster. How can I help you out with Justin Holl? How can I help you out with Alex Kerfoot? Sheldon Keefe may physically block Justin Holl from leaving on the airport if he gets traded. He may go to the airport and go, no, Justin.

Well, Sheldon, how do you feel about Jake? Maybe Muzzin's time is done. and and you figure you figure that out so that's just the least but there are other teams i i'd be calling up calgary with a player who doesn't have a full no move i like your cane idea i think he blocks it he maybe he does i'm just saying if i'm true living i'm making the phone call because here's what could happen you need because if you want kachuk to resign you got to be like well he's going to be like who am i playing with do i play with a chicago team that's going to be utterly dog shit or do i swallow my pride and go to calgary where i don't

really want to go but i go there and we at least play fun hockey and go toe-to-toe with conor mcdavid go toe-to-toe with conor mcdavid and then i leave and make a pile of money anyway and he leaves it's possible i could see it happening and for true living it's like to me this is do or die yeah like if you if you're worried about three seasons from now and you're brad you're living you're you're thinking too far ahead man you gotta be thinking about right now oh they should be trying to win next year yeah absolutely be trying to win there's a really interesting log jam in the nhl right now that i think is going to explode at any minute i think so and i think it's going to happen when nazem qadri signs which has not happened i don't know if he can sign until

that's all figured out i think he's probably the piece in a lot of team situations right i think He's going to end up back in Colorado. I thought Palat was going to stay in Tampa. I'm not going to lie. They're still in touch. They're still in touch. Is the room there? Colorado and Nazem.

Oh, I was like, Palat, no, that ship sailed. No, no, I know that. I mean, who needs a number one or two center? And who has the space? 3.9 mil in projected cap space for Colorado on cap. You'd have to move something out. Well, and there's another part of the log jam. So maybe part of the log jam is teams calling up Colorado going, ha, like, we know you're kind of screwed here and they're trying to beat Joe Sackick in a trade and it's not necessarily going well.

And Joe Sackick is a pretty good trader. Like Calgary is such an obvious fit for Nas and he doesn't want to go there. Like you can't force them. What if you don't want to go? And if you got a little bit of a discount from Colorado, let's say, you know, Nas wants eight. They can offer him seven and a half. they've got four million under the cap right now who's this calgary colorado colorado they have to move out at that point two and a half million dollars they can do that but then you have the

mckinnon deal you're trying to work through right you need to do that extension this summer i guess yeah but do you not say a million dollars fuck it we'll figure it out next summer because let's get the band back together and win this cup again best teams don't do that and we saw that yesterday with the the tampa bay lightning who are the least fucking around i'll we'll we'll get to them no i know we will but they paid a fucking fortune for some guys i'm like yeah i don't know i don't know 19 team no uh trade list for eric johnson is probably not helping because that's six million dollars you could move out but 19 teams who's gonna pay six million bucks for eric johnson too that's what i'm saying that could have got you a nod yeah every team's got

that though right yeah yeah very true yeah yeah it just it happens now um so yeah nas of cadre signing who knows when that's going to happen could be a couple of days could be as soon as this podcast is posted because oftentimes it will be and how many unreal free agents who shouldn't be free agents right now because they weren't weren't qualified don't have teams yet yeah sonny milano doesn't have a team um so let's get into uh brennan minnell brennan brennan Steve can you tell us about Is he still on the flyers He's a Chuck Fletcher acquisition

Here let me look Can you text him Yeah probably could Smart ass Alright Let's get into the day that Don Waddell Had yesterday Holy shit

We'll start with Pat you're ready So first off you gotta remember That the Don Waddell context has to include Tony D'Angelo the tony d'angelo trade was a stroke of genius because it gave him a bunch of assets that he can then flip around and use at the trade deadline he doesn't need those picks for drafts he needs to win that team needs to win so he got max patcher ready and dylan colhan from the hurricanes sorry uh sorry from the vegas golden knights for nothing

no future future considerations who the carolina hurricane social team rightly honored which was hilarious adam it was a good shit adam listen fuck all this when's the next asian provocateur i don't know i don't know alan has i left alan alone this week i'm like you're busy so did i but when is the next agent patches uh uh uh jan ruda signed yesterday with the pain went to detroit went to detroit only signing with the blues 80 times yeah very very good signing yeah very people don't like that flying elbow but i tell you man that guy can play fucking hockey he's unbelievable um you know that um matthew chuck's well keith kachuk um was was around when perron had his first camp and he tells the story on the actual podcast that's right he

like went after him in practice he's like stop fucking trying so hard man like can you fuck off like you're making us look bad kachuk who once failed a team physical was telling the rookie He did not try so hard? Weird. Like, I don't think Allen's too upset that Patches is now in Carolina.

Well, he has such a great relationship with the Golden Knights. The Golden Knights traded Max Pacioretty, who was injured a lot of last year, but still really good when he was in the lineup.

And Dylan Colhan to the Hurricanes. Coghlan. Coghlan. Great puck-moving defenseman, young guy. Depth defenseman. He could mature.

I was looking, so I watched him Dylan Coghlan highlights yesterday because I wanted to know about him. The Golden Knights are very happy Because he put on about like 10 pounds of muscle

In the mid-season last year And he's He models his game After Petrangelo And who was on the team there And he was like really happy to be a Knight And he could have a bright future in the NHL And then the Golden Knights move

So that's my Dylan Coughlin analysis Have either of you ever worked retail? Well Retail no Like you worked the till yeah oh yeah yeah so i worked the till at the zoo and i struggled with counting oh me too i never hit zero i never hit my zero i hated counting out it was the worst the worst but one of the things i remember in training is they prep you for scams and there was a popular scam where a guy

would he'd bring like a hundred dollar bill or something like that and he'd be like can i get change for this and he'd ask for specific denominations and he would take them and he would count them and he'd be like oh this is wrong and like he would just change so money would change hands so often and so confusingly that you couldn't keep track of it and before you know it the guy's walking off with like

150 bucks after giving you $100 I think the Carolina Hurricanes looked at the Vegas Golden Knights and said these fuckers don't on that account that is who better personifies that scam than the vegas golden knights well i oh man a boat's a boat but jack eichel could be anything it could even be a boat like he they've we all agree they have great talent could even be a contender um you lose the vesna winning goalie for nothing and Max Pacioretty, who you

gave up Nick fucking Suzuki for, for nothing? Well, it goes back further than that. Do you have the list? Yeah, let's trade tree this. Because remember what they gave up to get Tatar from Detroit. This is one of Ken's second and third. That's Ken Holland's best trade in Detroit. First, second, and third for

Tatar. And then Tatar, Suzuki, and Norlander. Norlander, excuse me, for Pacioretty. Norlander was the pick. And Pacioretty for nothing. You stink. you stink boo they'll still probably be good but you gotta if you're thinking

yeah but there's no here's what I was thinking here's what I was thinking yesterday I'm like if I'm Eichel or I'm Petrangelo I'm like god fuck are you serious yeah I would be really mad I saw a great tweet it was the the longest the longest tenured

Vegas Golden Knight was 48 days dude it's Riley Smith it's the two Florida guys it's Riley Smith and Jonathan Marcheseau, and who the hell else? Who's the day one? They just got here. Is William Carlson still there? William Carlson, there you go.

I mean, really, they don't need to be like this. We keep saying this. William Carrier as well. Let's not forget the Carrier dog. Yeah, he carries the team. This deal was made, by the way, to make Vegas Capcom client. If you remember, they tried to trade to Donoff. He said no, and they were like, what?

You have a no trade? um also there's no situation they can win the cup next year and it still is poor asset management will not have made sense that they lost patch ready and flurry for nothing also do we mention that the canes got brent burns as well yeah salary retained are we moving off golden golden no no we're staying on this but i just want to throw that out there don waddell as i remember he's still the most fun gm in the league to watch the guy is an absolute gangster there's no he's amazing who's buddy who's his assistant gm they need to hold on to him um oh fuck he used to be big on hockey twitter and now he's the assistant gm with the hurricanes and he's just rinsing teams

left and right and they got a lot not a lot no kasha oh yeah the kasha thing is uh cj dropped a bomb on trade center uh yesterday on tsn because when the kasha deal came in and the desk was reading it eric cj decided to thank you cj decided to throw out the note that the toronto maple leafs offered kasha that exact deal that he took with the hurricanes and he decided to go with the hurricane i mean look at them i don't blame him look neither do i don't blame him not at all no i also think he'll play a bigger role on the carolina hurricane city will in toronto yep i don't think you'll have to yeah similar role similar role and like we we also got to remember like he's got a long road back yeah and they still have room those fuckers yeah that's what i mean

that's what i mean so so staying on the golden nights jesse because you wanted to say what did you want to go yeah so so there was a a quote from uh sean shapir athletic article that was making the rounds yesterday he he talked to a bunch of unnamed sources around the league uh towards the beginning of the season and one of them said about vegas was this vegas treats you great until they don't they've gone from the team of opportunity the golden misfits to the evil empire as an agent you have to warn your guy that he's expendable as soon as the salary cap doesn't fit with the plan look at what happened with mark andre flurry i think as long as they win they'll avoid problems but if they don't if they have a losing season watch out they also

this season also don't mention don't forget to mention nate schmidt in there too he's a part of it the list runs so deep and this is a team that has thought just time and time again ah we'll go get this guy a big cap hit we'll figure it out later and all of that now we're slowly seeing it bite them in the ass well and won't robin leonard not start the season with them yes he's gonna be what about briswa briswa briswa he's around i don't know if he was on ir dan the year right well because what if they start next season with a tandem of logan thompson and michael hutchinson i'd say that limits their stanley cup ability it's not great not great like i do i do actually like logan thompson i think that's a good contract for them but like the jack eichel deal is something

that's directly cost you max patcheretti alex tuck peyton krebs dylan coglin and the 16th overall pick this year and you know what's funny though is when when they made the eichel deal and i mean when they got petrangelo too when they made the eichel deal the whole hockey world went does the salary cap not apply to them and yesterday was proof that actually it does so if if i said hey you'll trade those five assets for jack eichel you say no but that because they don't have any foresight to hey we have to build a team under the cap gone off if he's got a trade list like the the asset management is just awful in vegas also and they need a they need to really fix that when you think of it i just want to rewind it i know this is going hyper focused on something but

when you look at the dodonoff trade from ottawa to vegas do you not not just in hindsight but even at the time i was like it's a good pickup but why yeah i know like why did you get him i really did you you needed a 20 goal five million dollar player is that what it was here's my question for for nhl teams at the very tippy top circling or cycling through the same 40 45 men yep men's men's what do you have to lose by picking someone different half of these guys who have been in the league for years don't know the fucking rules or how to count well i would wonder too like you know how they interview players they're like you know before they're drafted right they're like well what's you know how did our team do like they'll ask you about

like their team too that like if the Leafs are interviewing you they'll be like how did we do where do you think we could improve and they'll be like and then what what animal would you be and why stuff like that right weird shit when you're interviewing a GM beyond just the GM's plan would a quiz on the cap system be a relevant thing like what if I just threw out like if I got i would be like brandon pridham okay brandon listen can you give me a cat a stumper give me a give me a multiple choice on this aspect of the cap and if the g and the guy gets it maybe i'll consider him if he doesn't i'm he's out like i would want i would want if i'm a billionaire and you're running my five to seven hundred million dollar franchise toy i'm gonna want

somebody who knows it and if and if you don't know it a hundred percent who's your guy that knows it like brandon pridham knows it you ever go driving and you're like how many people am i on the road with right now who would fail their like g test yeah yeah how many like i i saw a tiktok recently it's um if you're making a left-hand turn the guy asked his co-host this he goes if you're making a left-hand turn right which way should you face your wheels uh a left hand turn yeah like are you in the intersection you're in the intersection waiting to make a left turn which way do you face your wheels you do it right you do the thing yeah yeah well like straight yeah basically yeah you don't if you if you face them left and you get hit from behind

you get pushed in the intersection right how many of you yeah so if you're making a left-hand turn your wheels are facing left and you get hit from behind you go into oncoming traffic how many of you just learned that for the first time a lot of people turn in your license but but like that to me is that's gm all right explain how this relates okay because you've had the job for years and you either never knew the rules or forgot ah you need updated you need you need to update your information you want to send chuck fletcher to gm school a little brush up yes it's like expecting a crimen kelly mccrimmon it's like i know i know it's crimen but coffee doesn't stay hot you know and and i maybe kelly mccrimmon's lost his touch or like we know that the gms need

to regularly be emailed mass emailed the rules i'm sorry if you have a group and you're making mistakes like that the group has failed it's not even just one guy well like what the vegas hire general fanager but you listen to this person but i also have to say steve you can have those people around but if they're not if you're not going to listen to them yes and you're just going to be like fuck it i'm doing it anyway not much you know yes i guess quote unquote the group fails but it comes down to the leader yeah kelly mccrimmon calls that shot and as long as george mcphee is happy with kelly mccrimmon it's going to continue kelly it's not the dub well tell george that and the thing is that these guys aren't going to care because

they're gonna get fired and at some point because everybody does i'm not saying they're getting fired this year but they get fired and then everybody goes well vegas has a shitty reputation but it's not my problem because i'm not there anymore they're running vegas like the like a whl team there's a cap here man yeah there's a cap here there's lots of money at stake and it's you can't keep doing this they would tell you that it's ruthless i would tell you that it's beyond ruthless it's stupidity it's just it's just stupid i'm like i understand ruthlessness i also understand ruthlessness like it's just like i'm gonna go out and be stupid to be stupid like really it's like you know okay there's there's you're in the you're in the line of

battle and people are shooting a bunch of stuff at you you can stand up and run directly at the gunfire or which is brave but stupid or you can do the brave thing and sneak around and try to take it take out that turret you know what i'm saying right and it's just it's one of those where i just feel like vegas is like you know what everybody rise up let's go we're going over the trench it's crazy i can like and the again the strangest thing at the end of the day with vegas is the team's good sure team's good but they'll be better when their goalie plays also they fired their head coach too we gotta remember that yeah who'd they or bruce cassidy they went out and got really good higher coach honest to god they could win the stanley cup

still shitty asset management dude which just goes to show the only reason that the stanley cup has won in any given season is because someone has to win it let's talk about the toronto maple leafs what what do you got jesse's no that's funny no it's true like a team the vegas golden knights could win the stanley cup next year that means they're the best team in hockey and they genuinely suck at what they do yep they're not good at making a hockey team and they might have made the best one that's a problem tom paraska is still there that's general manager we love tom yeah i hope they fucking listen to him who came on this show one time once upon a time he very shortly after got hired uh the leafs uh are great uh the leafs get

the Leafs get Ilya Samsonov a 25 year old goaltender who had a bad year with the cap so he was not tendered but if you look at his last three seasons um not so bad I mean like listen he in 2019 2020 you lock it or not lock it oh thank god um COVID shortened season um he was 16 and 6 with a 9 13 save percentage the next season 18 sorry 16 and 6 yeah 16 the next season he's 13 and four with a 902 last year 23 to 12 but his save percentage was jack campbell-esque 896 not great uh but he's 25 and he does have great tools and it seems like what the toronto maple leafs yeah it's either what the toronto maple leafs have done is they said we're betting on two guys hopefully one of them hits now this is not a good argument but if you go back to 2018

and 2019, and you said an organization had both Matt Murray and Ilya Samsonov, you'd be like, holy shit, that team's going to be unbeatable. What a group of geniuses. What a group of geniuses. Now we're a few years later, and it seems like the hockey world is clowning on this team.

Well, yesterday on TSN, and you wouldn't have seen this, they were like, how would you rate the Toronto Maple Leafs in terms of their goaltending against all the other Canadian teams? And most of the people there had them at seven or six. They had them like seven consensus. Yeah, but like where were they last year and how did it go five or four last year it wasn't great he was

one of the i i there's a lot of revisionist history going on that one was oh i was watching csn and they were telling me jack campbell was a vesna candidate now he's a bum guys he was a vesna candidate in november yeah he was very literally a vesna candidate and candidate to make team usa in the olympics he was an all-star starter yes he was yeah that's how much that's how much the world changed he was a vesna candidate uh and all-star starter all-star starter and was potentially going to make team usa at the olympics and then what happened the word of fucking olympics for the nhl players also and and then he sucked and then he sucked and then he sucked and he was injured yeah no no the more the point i'm trying to make is shit changes oh the shit changes we

all was gonna go to the olympics and then he wasn't good enough for the olympics and also the nhl didn't go to the revisionist history is also leaning into how long jack campbell has been a starter in the nhl five minutes a lot of people are acting like jack campbell's been around and been proven and been doing this no i the year before last he showed the canadian division season was his first season ever doing as a starter and he was wicked and when they picked him up he was the throw-in yeah like oh they they got him because uh they got him because they wanted michael hutchinson sucked okay no they i think clifford was the throw i think they wanted both okay i think they wanted it was a low buy what it cost right jack campbell was acquired

to be michael hutchinson's replacement that's how hard the leafs lucked into this guy they did now the other one that i saw was the leafs are spending more on goaltending than last year and it's worse you can't tell me that's not bad now i understand that the leafs had peter morazic for 3.8 which was bad and they had jack campbell for 1.65 which was stellar crazy crazy unreasonable yes who available for 1.65 was Jack Campbell nobody nobody not even Jack Campbell not even Ilya Samsonov no did you see did you see what the Edmonton Oilers offered Jack Campbell five years 25 million dollars it was more than 1.65 yeah 1.65 for Jack Campbell was off the table so don't focus on what the Leafs spent on goaltending last year versus this year the way the market shook

down or shook out it just wasn't there it just wasn't there and you know the funny thing is they should have spent less marazic was a bad bet and it cost them 13 spots in the draft and now they're making two bets and people are wondering if both are bad the leafs won in spite of terrible goaltending like that's what i keep coming back to when i keep reasoning myself with this deal it's like they were they had awful goaltending awful safe percentage and they were one of the top teams in the league like didn't marazic have a winning record did he i don't know how the fuck how did he pull that off he was unusable all right he was unusable for a while he had like a few good games so it's a funny point that like even if the leafs goaltending sucks i hope it doesn't

but even if it sucks they still had a winning record jack campbell was 12 and 6 with an 888 That's Morazic Oh, sorry, Campbell Peter Morazic, you were asking He was 12-6 12-6 with an 8-88 The Leafs won games and they got no stops So I'm less worried about the goaltending

And I'm worried about them just doing this again Yeah Oh, man I think what it is Is you need a 9-05 all year That'd be an improvement It'd be an improvement It'd be an improvement

and uh uh and and i i did want to bring this up though because i thought um because of the matt murray move a lot of the articles written about the matt murray move got buried because free agency was like the next day right it was real quick right but justin bourne had um he didn't have 32 thoughts but he had 10 and they were all on the matt murray trade and i wanted to bring up two of them okay okay you read or the same ones because we read a couple on uh when's the tuesday show right i don't believe so i don't remember that but this is this is the duality because this came out yeah i guess it came out tuesday but i don't think we i don't think i had it in time for tuesday i don't know this week has been a hell of a month so if i did read this out i apologize but

this is the duality of and this speaks less to matt murray and more to the leafs psychology in terms of their management group okay number three dubas is either winning or going down with his people which you kind of have to respect he says dubas just promoted three people to agm all of whom got their first pro jobs through him murray is yet another player from the sioux that he's brought in his people are uh uh his people uh from there are littered throughout the leafs organization it's almost as if all outside ideas and theories finally drove him nuts and he's just decided to go with the people that he's worked with in the past it's his his people are bust so win or lose at least he can sleep well knowing he went uh he went about it his own way then number

four the level of hubris in that line of thinking is a problem i don't know at this point if this needs much explaining the sue thing is getting a little ridiculous now to believe that all the best people that you've previously met or had some tie to feels weird uh for someone who was sold as the new ideas guy at the start of his tenure which is true uh it's great uh to like and trust those you've come across but to lean so heavily on them implies you're missing something in all the other people out there and i thought that was interesting because yeah you do have to respect listen this is his team this is his guys but we were so we were told that this is a best idea guy yeah new idea guy like they do have haley wickenheiser uh brandon pridham i don't think

was in the Sioux like that's that's a outside of the box sort of did any other team and I I like Dubas and I'm saying this but did any other team call about Matt Murray uh Buffalo okay Buffalo Buffalo and maybe Edmonton actually probably not Edmonton why would Edmonton call yeah yeah they fucking had Jack Campbell two weeks ago please find them like Jesus yeah that's so bad now Matt Murray could be great I'm rooting for matt murray i mean you're rooting for your hockey team i'm rooting for you but i'm rooting for the guy as a person he seems like a good person he's gone through a couple hard years lost his dad injuries didn't love the situation in ottawa man that guy was fucking phenomenal in pittsburgh

but you you are getting a sense now of the mentality of the leafs organization as it stands currently and as it stands currently as you've always said dubas loves his guys and the problem in the past with previous leafs um uh gm groups and if you're not old enough to remember this i get that but i was here more than eight years ago on this show when the previous leaf group liked their guys too much and they were wrong they're not done they're not done and i like what they did i like i like the most encouraging part i like the samson off the i like most of what they do it's like their team is so bad and it's a good team i don't understand why people like people were trying to view the leafs negatively

and and that's fun it's fun for people outside of toronto they love that come on yes i understand that but also you don't need to try like there are listen it's risky it's risky murray hasn't been good consistently uh and healthy consistently and samsonov hasn't been good in recent memory you don't need to bend yourself into a pretzel samsonov is they they have a goalie who played 44 games last year locked up to less than two million dollars who's going to be an rfa at the end of next year i'm sorry where's the part where that's bad yep can someone please point me whereas edmonton just committed five years to a goalie who's played more than 50 games zero times has played more than 45 games once has played more than 40 games once has played more than 30 guys

30 uh 35 games once and more than 30 games twice in his entire career and he's over 30 you do have to put that in perspective and i love jack campbell but you do have to say what's the bigger bet is matt murray with a couple years left the bigger bet and ilias m showed off in that or is jack campbell and the actual commitment of five years and 25 million dollars the bigger bet i think the bigger bets the one the oilers took well and the oilers are gonna get better in net uh regardless yeah well i mean jack campbell is a better option than koskinen or ancient mike smith in my opinion and they're also gonna have stewart skinner the other thing was the cost of goalies so the the teams who didn't spend on goaltending missed they missed out new jersey went out and got two

that was smart that that yeah i i know it's too much money probably for kemper and they go and they get vanachek and neither of those guys are really world beaters except kemper oh yeah you're right it's blackwood and vanachek in my bad fuck why do i keep confusing the devils and caps because they're red my yeah that's probably it um no so the devils have blackwood and vanachek i think my point still applies and neither of those guys are world beaters and kemper has done a world beater except he just beat the world yeah yeah he is literally uh the reigning stanley cup champion of starting goaltenders um but like the teams that didn't get a goalie like they kind of missed out and isn't it funny that two years ago goalies were like the lowest no one gave a shit no one

gave a shit and they were available off the the bargain bin and now like it was better to be the bell of the ball amongst goalies than anyone anyone else anyone else no the so the oilers is it too much for too long yeah are they better and contenders because of it i think so oh yeah i like stewart skinner a lot too i do like stewart skinner a lot i'm not nuts about that back end well let's get to that in a second though let's get back to toronto uh obey kubel also signs in toronto he's the guy who famously dropped the stanley cup live on tv which is great broke it he should uh if the leafs do win he should spike it um adam goddett also comes over from vancouver i believe and he ottawa ottawa he was in vancouver for a long time likely headed for

the marlies uh but could be a guy that's like a depth option for them they are rebuilding their fourth line which they desperately needed to do they you know jason spezza was great uh simmons was good when he started not so great anymore thornton was slotted in there's a few other i just they need they need to have that fourth line have a new identity because they tried the scoring thing it worked in the regular season and then jason spezza turned out to be the only guy scoring in the playoffs like it's not it's just they got to figure out what they're doing with that line i i i'm i'm not gonna pass judgment just yet because there's still so much work to do um they dubas said he wanted a physical right-handed d um they are in on zach astin

reese they lost out on nola chari um zach astin reese would be a really interesting ad well and it's obvious what kind of player they want oh they got malgan too dennis malgan we forgot about that carlo carlo koliakovo just almost lost his mind with that i don't know why he signed a league yeah like and he was like the leading scorer in the swiss league whatever man with signing malgan he's like i can't believe this and it's like everybody's like who cares what they had his rights they retained his right malgan would have been a leaf the last two years he went to switzerland because of covid he's from switzerland he wanted to play in switzerland okay you want to be a uh the 12th or 13th forward on a team where you're essentially in prison for two

years or you want to at least be home and in prison yes in a beautiful mountainous prison yeah where you're going to score a lot you know what this is kind of nice yeah where you're going to score a shitload and you're going to have a lot of fun yeah he led he led a swiss team in scoring then he went to a different swiss team and led them in scoring for two years sounds terrible And he's not going to be that in the NHL, but we kind of know what he's going to be in the NHL because he's played 196 games in the NHL. So he's almost, hey, he's almost a pensioner. 200 games.

He's, I'm pretty sure despite the last two seasons, he's still played more NHL games than Mason Marchman. And he's what, 27? Uh, something like, no, he's not even 27. He's still pretty young. Yeah. He's younger than Mason Marchman as well. Dennis Maughan is 25.

it's 25 come on can we all chill and by the way this isn't a shot at mason marchman dallas that's a good what a good match we'll get to that what a good match but um the the leafs want to be a four checking team and they should bell helps with that uh gaudette helps with that i think he's a great skater skate him hard malgan uh is gonna help with that now that doesn't necessarily mean bang and crash i don't think anyone is like oh shit here comes dennis mulligan but he's going to retrieve pucks he's going to make defenders make uh quicker decisions that will cause turnovers to the other assassins the leafs have you create turnovers for kneelander for marner for matthews for tavaris etc etc um moving on to the oilers the oilers we mentioned it's on campbell to a

year 25 million dollar contract we say that's a risk but i gotta tell you i still think it's a great fit and it still seems like it's gonna work great zach hyman's there they're good friends cc this is the best this is the best oilers team i think we've seen since well i mean it's probably since the 80s oilers because mcdavid's there but that 2006 team was pretty special and you know with pronger on the back end and mike pecka playing at his at his best and mike pecka was on that team right that was a great samson off yeah it's a great team and and i it's gonna be fun to watch the Oilers this year. We saw Mike Pekka the other

day, right? We did see Mike Pekka. In Montreal. And Chris Kelly. Yeah. Oh, and I forgot to tell the story. We were at a bar and we saw Jay Woodcroft talking to people at like a pool table. Yes, yes. And he was doing the Jay Woodcroft pose. Do the

pose. He has a pose. He was doing the Jay Woodcroft pose that he did at the Flames bench when he was going to shake daryl sutter's hand and i remember just looking like he's doing the thing he's doing the meme is he doing the meme or is that just how jay woodcroft stands that's literally jesse brought it up that's 100 what he looked like he looked like he had jay woodcroft's face and he stood like jay that's the that's the pose um evander kane is also staying with the oilers

four-year 20.5 million dollar contract a lot of people speculated it could get as high as eight million dollars on the open market for evander kane uh yeah i'm gonna go with that was a lie well that's what people were speculating you were wrong but 5.125 million bucks you were only like three million dollars off oh god who said that oh there was a lot of people a lot of people um evander kane good fit alongside connor mcdavid and i think dan milstein dropped it from the plane like pamphlets yeah i want to get as much as he could eight million dollars evander kane uh you know obviously good fit beside connor mcdavid and they've been looking for that for a long long time somebody outside of leon dry sidle who can play with them finish finish it they ask

ken holland hey what happens if he's a san jose shark in two weeks and he's like well uh we've uh we've thought about that and we have plans in place and uh yeah we'll cross that one they're not gonna make the oilers give up compensation get out of here they're just gonna null and the deal money will change hands that's it i mean they might make them give up compensation but what they're not going to do is be like all right evander kane you have to play for the sharks like what the no then no they're not gonna do that i i refuse uh the nhl has much much bigger fish to fry oh yeah they don't want to mess with there's they're done with this i think i think money will change hands here guys that's what's going to happen um so the the oilers look you

had to think they look better than last year um and calgary looks way worse and so to me now you're looking at edmonton la and vegas and sneaky little vancouver in there too uh but i would think that the top three have got to be edmonton la vegas but i don't know which one comes first speaking of the goaltending market um vancouver's another team where they have thatcher demko great goalie right yeah who's the backup i have no idea who's the backup just to add as what you left out dallas who finished ahead of vegas yeah that's true sorry about that that's true um uh who's the backup who's the backup i don't know who is it i know who it is now who's spencer martin that's right i didn't know that they are a thatcher dem they're uh they're i think a good team much

improved team a playoff contending team and they are a thatcher demko injury away from like connor bedard um the the mckay of deal i like spencer martin but the mckay of deal is interesting because he always had the talent that he showed off towards the end of the season here in toronto that's frustrating but i yes it is injury covet all the other things that happened but the thing i want to i do want to caution on is that we saw it for the last half of one season say how much the money was 4.75 million for four years yeah that's a lot each year that's a lot he's the good thing about ilya mikhayev is even when he's not scoring he's useful yeah he's a great penalty killer yeah the worst contracts are dudes you can't even use

the worst case scenario for ilya mikhayev is overpaid overpaid guy who can skate like the wind skate like the wind be an elite penalty killer always be a shorthanded threat i mean even if he takes a breakaway and misses it kills time yeah you know uh you always have to be aware of the Ilya Mikheyev factor, even if the puck isn't going in for them. So overpayment, maybe. Good player every day.

Fits what they need. It's so much money. It is a lot of money. I don't know how you reason that. It wasn't a good free agency year. So maybe if you're Vancouver, you're like, we're not in a position

to buy Mikheyev for four years and 4.75. Everyone wants to improve. Well, why not do that and then trade JT Miller like they're trying to, right? Talk about a team that's not done. they're not done at all no that's another huge uh shoe to drop jt miller has no trade

projection i wonder if calgary asks about him it's vancouver i know but it can be done but wouldn't you if you're again tree living has got to be thinking about right now who's going to play with lindholm and and kachuk the uh no trade for jt miller was voided so miller was traded on june 22nd 2019 prior to his modified no trade clause coming into effect giving vancouver the option of voiding the clause cap friendly has confirmed that vancouver did not honor his trade clause so he can be traded anywhere wow so they've uh because i was under the understanding i guess when you have the trade no trade clause or even a modified no trade clause to start a contract it can't be voided you can waive it for the moment but then it comes back because it used to be in

the nhl where if you had a no trade clause and then you got traded it was gone now if you have a no trade clause and then you and you agree to get moved you still have it but i guess they voided it because it never kicked in before he was traded he never it never came into effect so they were given the option to honor it and then why was it into effect and they're like fuck you though you're great but no we want to trade you the the the windfall you can get for jt miller i think might outweigh how good of a player he is yeah for the vancouver i think that's a that's an asset You have to send out While it's at it's peak

That's a 100 point guy I don't know how many more 100 point seasons he's got left in him Maybe a couple But right now if you're Vancouver JT Miller is more useful as a trade asset Than he is as a player on the ice for you Also Bo Horvat Is up at the end of the season too

He'll be at Canuck forever You think so? I hope so Or not I don't know they're a really uh they're an interesting team there are so many there's a real there was a real vibe um of unfinished business you know what i mean like i know cj's off in the palm trees and having a good time on vacation by the way they have a show coming out today they do if it hasn't

come out already uh but um there was a real air of yesterday not meant nothing but it's usually a big uh like dude bob mckenzie used to make a bit out of he'd be halfway to the cottage when he announced like the last signing of the day it's like four o'clock in the afternoon or something uh i think we're gonna be busy for the next few weeks yeah because there's it feels like there's a lot of trades left to happen there's a lot of big names still out there cadre arguably the biggest maybe second biggest name yep yeah and that's a pretty big name listen that's great for us because our schedule by the way if you're wondering is we're going right till the first week in august we're three a week for two weeks still yeah so we got so we'll have lots of info

to talk about it won't just be weird summer episodes where we talk about you know whatever the uh the tsn show signed off for the summer at the end of the trade frenzy you haven't seen this but they were like all right it's time to go like we're done with hockey coverage well and there's yes but also no but also there's like dozens and dozens of free agents out there who are names who need to be signed um i also uh watching that i was like their broadcast went three full hours longer than sports nets yeah and i was like okay because there's a lot of stuff which just wasn't done when sports net was wrapping up i'm like guys where are you going where are you going anyway you also have i was doing my thing yeah you were your network that you own over at sports net

uh steve's network steve rogers um steve rogers i did a good friend of ed rogers uh steve dangle i did a four-hour stream and went straight into making a video so i didn't get to watch no i don't expect that you would have seen that but i was just like wow they wrapped it up early um the lightning wrapped up speaking of uh sergachev sorelli and cernak all on eight-year contract sergachev makes more money than kale mccarr now at 8.5 million dollars no he doesn't isn't kale mccarr no oh just shy of headman he makes money mccarr makes 9.5 i think does he okay nevermind uh well it makes more money than headman that makes sense though because headman's deal was signed a while ago yes uh sergachev signing that 8.5 million dollar deal so rally at 6.25

and cernak at 5.2 cernak at 5.2 feels a little bit high but i can't hate any of these so here's here's how good tampa is people looked at cernak's deal and they went that seems high and i looked at it and i went it does but you know what it actually is market value he has 59 points in 226 games and he blocked a billion shots in another bid for the stanley cup in the final um sorelli and sergachev have both played 92 career stanley cup playoff games that's neither is 25 crazy number that is neither is over 25 wow that is stupid is is that is druan asking for a trade the greatest thing that happened to sergachev in his whole life uh yeah yes absolutely and like not a shot at mcdonough but like this forces mikhail sergachev to take

a bigger role with the tampa bay lightning and he's ready and well he's ready and if he continues to progress they might be even better for it yeah he should have been in that role already really but mcdonough's kind of blocking the path there and thankfully he was that's how good the team was that this is a guy who's been playing under his position and in a third pairing role he put up like 40 points it's unbelievable yeah he's a really good player he's he's worth uh settling in on sorelli for six and a bit for eight years he's gonna be like 31 yeah you forget he's 24 him and sergachev are both gonna be barely over 30 when those deals expire watch so much lightning hockey in the last few years it feels like these guys are all older than they are

but they're not and and what the the wild thing about tampa is they have a core and yesterday they locked up the other core the outside edges of the core that they have like who's their core like kucherov stamkos headman stamkos vasilevsky point and vasilevsky point but they've but they've locked up point and they've locked up sorelli and by the way they've locked up sergachev and by the way does not kick in until after this season yeah right all the deals they signed yesterday were i just think that's like think about that it's that's nine more years of surrogate chef they're oh and you gotta be careful yeah you gotta be careful with long deals i don't think you need to be careful with any of those ones no they seem pretty good dude like braden point oh for god

For crying out loud Like Stamkos is going to be long gone And that team will still be competitive I don't know much about Stamkos is only 32 He's going to be there I don't know much about Jeff Fink the person But as an owner of an NHL franchise

That's the kind of owner you want Who'd you call? Isn't it Jeff Fink? Vinnick Oh I thought it was Fink I don't know why Change your name Jeff I think it's

that ownership group, everything they do down there. Everything they do in Tampa. And credit to Julian Breezewa for working all these deals and getting the magic numbers. You look at the contract, you're like,

oh, Nikita Kucherov still has a $9.5 million contract. That guy should be making $12 million. People are really underrating the day they had because they didn't add. I mean, they got Ian Cole and they lost Andre Pallad.

That's pretty bad. But no team has a more visible future than the Tampa Bay Lightning. You know what they are. You know exactly what they are. Like, even teams who have, like, drafted well and they have all these guys on ELCs,

you have no idea what the future holds financially. Like, for a cap team. And remember, if the cap goes up the way you say it's going to, they are... It's a joke. Cackling. Cackling. Like, we're looking at a Detroit-like...

It's lightning. They're crackling. ...dynasty. like so this could be a 20 year run for the lightning yeah where they're just in like the playoff and president's trophy picture until leo's in high school like they're they're they're unreal the detroit run was 22 years straight playoffs what was it yeah something like and st louis had 30 years at one point yeah oh yeah yeah it was like from this oh the st louis blues or the the blues were like 1970 to or like to 2005 or something it was some stupid number it was crazy

yeah the detroit one i remember because the streak broke it started before i was born and it broke like while i was in my while we were doing like this podcast but they won they want what did they win they won 97 they won 98 they won 2002 they won 2008 they lost the stanley cup in 96 they lost the stanley cup in 2009 that's six stanley cup final appearances and for those of you keeping score tampa's already at four already at four yeah uh i also want to throw out there jeff blaschel has joined them as an assistant coach and i wondered what kind of connection there would have been between eiserman and briseois on that one because they're it just seems too on the nose doesn't it yeah well it's actually they sort of uh exchange coaches didn't they because detroit

hired the assistant coach from Tampa. I forget his name. That's true. The guy who people were saying looks like Gru because people are mean. And Jeff Blaschel now under John Cooper. John Cooper's got to watch his job. The man you're thinking of, Derek Lanoit?

Lalonde. Lalonde? Is it Lalonde? I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, stop making fun of Derek. I didn't. It was Twitter. Twitter's mean. Obviously, Ottawa had another great move yesterday. Claude Giroux is now an Ottawa senator.

Boy. Can I read this tweet from Cap-Friendly Depth Charts? Sure. The Ottawa Senators projected top six of Kachuk, Norris, Giroux, Debrinket, Stutzla, and Bathurston scored 166 goals last season.

Wow. Holy fucking shit. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. And you know what? They've had a fantastic offseason. Yep. They've done it.

And you know what? Dorian was right. It is the next phase. the rebuild is over he was a year early yeah he was a year early the next phase though he said at this draft but he got okay so we got to give him that we got to give him that it is and uh three year 19 and a half million dollar contract for a guy to come home to ottawa i think it's pretty cool um and what uh and like is claude geroux not the guy he's like the older brady kachuk a little bit you almost want he's got there's that grittiness to another underrated nasty nasty

nasty player mean and and now it's this incredible apprenticeship for stutzla and norris oh those two guys are going to be killers in this league for a long don't forget batherson yeah they uh alex formant shabbat like it's a it's one of the best young teams in the entire league all of a sudden that like that decor is a world of hurt yeah yeah we went over that a little bit earlier But some of this money They need to reserve it for the Norris contract Coming up Who do they have on defense again? Shabbat?

And then it's Zaitsev, Hamannik And Zub And they didn't have to trade For Hamannik That seemed like a deal from the We're not letting Dorian really do what he wants Phase And now it seems like Dorian's kind of doing what he wants

And it's a lot better deal And did they not just buy out Delzato as well? He was there i think you're right yeah they got brandstrom he needs to take a step dj smith that'll be big dj smith's gotta let him take a step i don't think he has a choice well maybe not and maybe they're not giving him one but it seems to me like dj smith's just not a fan and it's like you got it this guy was a huge part of the deal that sent mark stone to vegas give him a shot regularly please maybe it's a new deal yeah maybe that's well that's important too there's there's a lot

of rfa still out there dude you know a huge rfa out there that no one's talked about at all jake ottinger actually yeah people are talking about like oh detroit should offer sheet rasmus sandin like okay fine if you have cap ottinger there are a bunch of teams who need a goalie right now who can just be like jake ottinger is one of the best goalies in the league why did the leafs do that because they're never gonna they're never they don't have the palace gonna do it they don't have they do that would cost them like a second they don't have their own six million no that it's not even an offer sheet worth making someone matches that oh yeah dallas would match that at least have their first round pick the least don't have their second least have their first third fifth and six

there's one that's a first and a third i do know that yeah someone someone should just be like i'm gonna give jay condor eight million dollars for a year i'm just unbelievable yeah i'm just throwing it out there there's a bunch of rfas who still need deals and that that's one where i i wouldn't be surprised if the chatter picked up until the down stars just lock them is jake ottinger the second best goalie in the league after really who so oh my god get out of here uh no because who passes who so no one except binnington but like no one i'm asking the important question Jesse's like Dubas. He's got his guys.

Loves his guys. Jesse, who do you got? Who do you got? Timmy Stutes is my guy. Lucas Raymond. Timmy Stutes. Timmy Stutes. Uka Pekaluganian.

Uka. Who's the guy we were just talking about? Billy Russo. Not Tavares. Quinton Byfield. You're a big Byfield guy. Quinton Byfield, yeah. Quinton Byfield.

He was a great athlete. Alex Turcotte. Turcotte, yeah. How do I remember your not real team? I don't know. I know, it was a legendary, not real team. Oh, that Buffalo Sabres team. Who'd you have on D?

Didn't you have Morgan Riley? No, not on the Sabres team. Oh, no, not on the Sabres team, but on the Leafs? No, the Leafs won, yeah. It was Captain Morgan. We named him Captain after we moved on to ours. It was Captain Morgan. We ran with him for like eight years, and he never won shit.

Nah, we made it to the Stanley Cup final, and then we lost. How Leafs? Twain Gibson. Listen, if your team was not mentioned today, I apologize, but there's not any way that we could have gotten through the entirety of the free agency picture. Yeah. But we also have a show tomorrow.

Detroit had a really good day. Oh, we're going to talk about it tomorrow. There you go. Detroit, Dallas. We got to talk about all that stuff. There's lots,

there's lots still to cover. So look at this as part one of two. And remember Aaron Portsline is joining us tomorrow. So we're going to break down Columbus a little bit more because that will still be a story. And hopefully tonight we get a Nazem Khadri decision. Not that it will, but if we could,

that would be really great. That'd be, oh no, He's going to wait for like 1.30 Tomorrow You know what You doubted me so kiss my ass That's what he's going to do

You said I was a liability in a playhouse kiss my ass Here's my very dented cup So do we want to do a press conference today We don't have to You want me to hit the button We'll do a press conference tomorrow maybe Alright listen Steve do you have any videos coming out in the next 24 hours

Or are you Ask Kyle Do this Ask Kyle I made a video yesterday So ask Kyle Heck yeah Heck yeah

Nothing's happened Okay Until something does Alright Well What was it You tell me From the future

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