The Steve Dangle Podcast - Montreal Magic | July 7, 2021

Episode Date: July 7, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, bonus SDP! (00:00), Duncan Keith is definitely going to be an Edmonton Oiler (04:00), the Lightning try to win the Stanley Cup tonight in Tampa (23:00), moving Morgan Rielly for a defenceman with a slap-shot (44:00), revisiting Patrick Roy’s final game as a Montreal Canadien (51:00), Owen Power doesn’t want to play for the Buffalo Sabres (1:02:00), another game of where will Jack Eichel go? (1:13:00), and Adam’s history corner! (1:20:00). Originally aired: July 7, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/b4Jrj5Owzvg Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://magicspoon.com/sdp https://www.getroman.com/sdp https://ca.manscaped.com/ https://www.creditkarma.ca/ https://betmgm.com/dangle Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

okay this is an audio version exclusive as in you will not hear this on the video side of this so if you're one of the the people that that listens to the show only steven dangle who was one of your favorite rappers growing up um who does that song oh who did that i don't know i'm not gonna lie i don't remember the name juvenile is who did that right right and juvenile did a song called back that ass up now yes he did jesse he's got another song out now and it's that song but what it's what's it called now uh get vaxxed up or something so have a listen vax that thing up there it is okay go ahead jesse i want to go back to the clinic and get the vaccines taken out of my body after

wow wow wow in case you were wondering what uh what juvenile was up to that's what juvenile's been up to took him 20 years to get that out i always wondered when i was younger i was like i like these guys now but how are they gonna age and the answer pretty much across the board is oddly yeah you don't want to say not well do you i don't want to say not well necessarily but like i don't know like t-pain is very fun now but like yeah old 50 cent is bizarre oh yeah i think i think there's a lot of rappers who've done well in the second part of their careers like ludicrous especially like he's just turned into an a-list actor who's been in the movies of the last like 10 years that dude yes he he there were a few rappers who were guilty

of making an amazing first album and then being garbage and ludicrous never betrayed us he was great and then one day he decided no more no more ludicrous i am now ludicrous the fast and furious actor yeah and like from that era then we got ja rule who was insane with all of his investments yeah um and then 50 cent you mentioned he's he's turned into a legitimate uh television producer that's his second life he's he's produced some great uh dramas did he not third life did he not do empire vitamin water and fighting with floyd mayweather that that's very true as well like yeah he's been a great investor yeah um and then you kind of talk about vitamin water though they're like i guess somebody came up to him and was like well like you know 50 you got it

when you're thinking about uh you know investing you got to think about what people need and he's like well everybody needs water and that's where the whole idea started and then coca-cola came to him and was like here's a billion dollars yeah there you go brilliant fucking brilliant just brilliant and it like it's just and vitamin water is literally just like it's it's i know apparently they've done studies on it and you can't really absorb the vitamins that are in it because they're all hard vitamins so it's just and it's in water so it's getting diluted anyway so it's like that bug from from men in black one it's like sugar water like you know what i mean that's literally what it is water anyway so that's a good time congratulations on being one of the few who hear

this on the audio version only let's get to the full show you know i know the stanley cup final should be the lead story but they're not going to be the lead story today guys no why not the lead story today the most important story in hockey is duncan keith going to be an edmonton that is the that is the the key and we've had a friend of the show mark specter now weigh in on it with his article and i just i wanted to quickly just update you on where we're at with this because i think watching oilers fans lose their minds over this it's oilers fans adam i i'm losing my mind i'm loving this plural or a guy is if you are not following him it's awesome it's hilarious because he's trying to tweet this into not happening.

And I got news for you. It's happening. That's not how it works. Get your Duncan Keith jersey now because it's happening. It's happening. So, Mark Spector, and this is just the Sportsnet tweet, which Mark does not write, by the way, but introducing his article. A trade for Duncan Keith, should the Oilers choose to make it,

would be a gamble. But it would also be about more than statistics. What about the intangibles? helping all the things that analytics can't track now this is what i have argued right this is why i think it could potentially work but it doesn't carry the same weight because this has been the argument for almost every edmonton oilers transaction since about 2005 like this team every trade is well don't know how good at hockey they are but they care yeah well i i think about the andrew ferentz signing remember he had like it was like wow that's

a lot of money for andrew ferentz but he works out a lot he works out a lot works out a lot he's got a kick-ass vine is that what he had he was the king of nhl vine really andrew ferentz yes Andrew Ferentz had a wonderful vine new editing and everything like he made a few where I was like this is legitimately impressive Andrew Ferentz that's wonderful I have a question about Duncan Keith okay so what

what's a trade that Edmonton makes for Keith and you're like oh okay that works I don't hate this it's good that they have him on their blue line now what is that considerations in a third team Ryan Nugent Hopkins

Darnell Nurse miko koskinen half retained wow um yeah no yeah i just i just i just i just want to see all the blood vessels pop out in in uh in alberta i honestly man because there's a path to a reasonable trade here where you don't give up a whole bunch and you get duncan keith there always is would you acquire david clarkson but no okay well what if it's nathan horton oh okay like there's always a path forward always yeah um the problem with not trading a roster player is the cap so the logical solution is what one of james neal or miko koskinen has to be involved in the deal

probably James Neal let's be honest Koskinen can at least give you some NHL service at this point in his career I know I know I see the face you're giving me I see the face I didn't say it's a great deal I didn't say he'd be a great goalie for you but there's there's glimmers there's little glimmers James Neal the further he got into his career it's like all right we will just make him a goal suck we'll shove him right in the blue paint and he'll do it and he did it well for like two months and then it's it's just gone it's gone so if it is it you know maybe you think you're gonna lose caleb jones anyway so it's like james neal caleb jones why are you gonna lose caleb jones anyway expansion draft i don't know that's without looking at edmonton's roster i don't

actually know can't they trade caleb jones for something more valuable well adam yes so listen you're asking me to make a trade that i would never make so i'm struggling i'm really struggling with it man let me read this this justification because that's what it is and and i again i say this lovingly with mark specter in mind because he's a lot of fun whenever he comes on but this particular paragraph got me and i want to know what you guys think the difference is for keith his minutes and on ice responsibilities would decrease in edmonton an important distinction and the areas that improve with age leadership teaching ability helping younger players would be a great part of his game correct so here's the

question for me from me um those three intangibles leadership teaching ability helping younger players sounds like an assistant coach doesn't it you need it on the roster too you need it on the roster i mean the leafs have that with jason spezza and and with wayne simmons and they did it and it cost them a first round pick for patrick marlo yeah well the whole point is to not have that happen but yes it did then there was that um no i'm still i'm still not off the based on the justification i'm not off the duncan keith wagon yet you're gonna have to throw me off somehow you're gonna have to throw me off keep going and do your worst okay so then you're still on and it also holds all of the power here because they don't have to acquire duncan keith in chicago

it sounds like has to trade him there so if you have all of the power you can probably find a way to get him and just have duncan keith on your roster without giving up very much okay so then so let me ask you this okay spec in this article is saying on a second pairing with adam larson we would like we would like keith's analytics much much more than the ones he posted playing uh with ian mitchell adam borquist conor murphy this past season somebody also adam larson who's not on the roster he's right because he's a ufa but they're saying maybe they'll wait till after july 26th yeah so we'll see if he actually is on the oil list so but okay so i mean sure okay he can still skate i guess he could still make a play but in every

appreciable statistic we're talking about like ones that really like we're talking about advanced stats and we're talking about just stats which should be one in the same but they're not he has been on the decline for five straight years. Steven Birch brought this up on Twitter today. Five straight years. What is it about Edmonton that we've seen so far? And this is where my question comes in, where players that have been on the decline for five years

turn back the clock and are 35 again, 34 again, 33 again, 32 again. This guy has incrementally gotten worse. This is what happens. Time is undefeated. for the last five years and chicago is now not a good team anymore retooling rebuilding whatever you want to call them that's fine then you bring them to the oilers who are sans their top two players not a very good team at all so you're literally trading one bad team for another

the only difference with this team is it has two monsters up front and you're adding a piece who How many wins above replacement would Duncan Keith really bring? They're hoping for Magic Beans, these guys. And that's been the game plan for years is Magic Beans. The only reason they've gotten anywhere is the payoff of those Magic Beans. Leon Dreisaitl was Magic Beans. It's the third overall pick is Magic Beans. conor mcdavid the first overall pick it's a lottery it's literally it's spinning beans in a

in a in a spinny thing and out comes the first overall pick magic beans is this guy good anymore no but what about magic beans everything about their strategy is magic beans and they tried something that wasn't magic beans They said, you know what? We're going to trade away some magic beans for Andreas Athanasiou. And they saw nine games of not magic beans. And they said, we should have stuck with the beans. Beans forever.

And Ken Holland gets on the microphone at the trade deadline. And he's like, well, you know what? We don't want to lose any more beans. We gave up too many beans last year. And competing for the Stanley Cup involves trading away too many beans. the Oilers are just beans oh that's rich coming from a leaf I know a shitty team when I see one don't I no one can objectively argue with you that the Oilers are a good team without dry McDavid I just need John Mulaney to rush in the room real quick and guys guys guys you're both

terrible hockey teams dude it's it's all about magic beans with these guys um now Edmonton though at very least has an identity i don't know if it's i don't know if it's an identity but it's a thing it's two guys they get offense right they like to think they can score goals they can score goals they play a young junior-ish style and sometimes have to rely on goaltending what are the chicago blackhawks what in the world are they besides under investigation what are what is the team they're a mess what is the team because i'm looking at them right now their highest paid defenseman should they trade duncan keith is calvin dahan

hey adam high five miss him you know what i like calvin dahan the guy i really do uh and i haven't seen a ton of them because the Blackhawks have not really been worth watching for a long time. Connor Murphy's number two. Riley Stillman's in there. Ian Mitchell. Wyatt Kalanick. Listen,

it's bleak. Real who's who there. Who's who? Do you want to know how they fared last season? Defensively? By default, Keith is going to enter a new team and his numbers are going to improve

just by default because last season the hawks ranked 23rd in rush chances against 29th in goals against and chicago finished the season with an expected goals against average of 3.04 and that's only behind the savers and canucks who were worse so they were last in most defensive metrics that's according to sport logic now the Oilers I would actually I like the Oilers defense in comparison right like there's some upside there they're not terrible they're not terrible and the ones that struggle on occasion are young that's not a terrible place to be that's okay that's okay you can be bad if you're young bad and old you don't want you don't want bad and old there's nowhere to go from there there's nowhere to go from there except worse and some are arguing

that stunking keith uh jesse you asked a question how the hell do you get this deal done now we talked about double retention right there's there's something there yeah it sounds kind of hot it does sound kind of hot when i get double retention i i well now i don't like it anymore um i'm gonna throw out i'm gonna throw out two names i'm gonna throw out two names brent seabrook and andrew shaw those are two players who are not gonna play again they're just those cap hits right the cap hits so what did the leafs do with the deadline so that they could go over the cap a little bit They acquired Riley Nash, kept him on LTIR, right?

What did the Tampa Bay Lightning do? Had Nikita Kucherov. They had Nikita Kucherov, but they didn't stop there. Because without, even with Kucherov, they were still wildly over the cap. They acquired Marion Gabarik. Oh, right. Who is never going to play a game for them. Does he get a ring?

He deserves one. He deserves, if they win, he deserves one. Gosh darn it. give him another so if you acquire brent seabrook that might be too rich that might be too rich he's owed six million dollars next season then five then 4.5 that's a lot of that's a lot of money but it's a 6.8 uh 75 million dollar cap it and he's got a no move clause which i don't know why he would refuse he's probably not even going to be asked to report maybe for a physical every year there is a guy though who's got one year left 3.9 million dollar

cap hit if the Oilers um if the Oilers pay his signing bonus there's another million dollars off and you'll only have another 1.9 to pay Andrew Shaw Andrew Shaw so you give me let's say you half retain on Duncan Keith or you retain x percentage and you give me Andrew Shaw who I can then put on ltir and i can you know then they would x amount of money they would have to have enough to push them over the limit because right you can only use ltir once you're over the amount of the cap they won't have trouble getting there you don't okay okay no one will no one will as long as they have enough contracts on the books then yeah that that would make sense you can find a way to spend money you can find a way to spend money you can you can you know there

have been contracts in the past where players have been grossly overpaid uh because teams wanted to accomplish one thing or another right with the salary cap so we got to get creative here there's me getting creative trying to make it make sense for the edmonton oilers now now do you want to get creative though or do you want to rely on magic beans let it ride with the beans let's hey duncan keith could be anything he could even be magic beans he could even be he could even be duncan keith from two years ago which still wasn't adequate still doesn't improve them the thing that gets me here is that you were getting creative and bringing in andrew shaw to accommodate duncan keith we're not talking about jack eichel we're talking about duncan keith

yes three times stanley cup winner yes won the consmart smith trophy yeah he's probably got like a billion norris's i don't even know if he has or not i don't i don't really keep track but the point is when you get creative with a player or a contract you get creative with the player or a contract because they're jack eichel because they're alex petrangelo it all comes because they're the bell of the ball steve yes not because they're a guy who was good half a decade ago it adam adams it all comes back to why do you need to do this let's chicago sit in their shit for a little longer everybody helped them for years and somebody's gonna help tampa bay this year you know he's got two norris's by the way okay there you go 2010 2014 and a con

smith and a con smith 2015 i really i do gotta say like that 2015 con smith is one of the more impressive con smites over the last long time like you talk about a one-man army well yeah it was him basically playing all of his minutes and chemo team in his minutes oh yeah he's like 45 minutes a game chemo team and it's like i dressed and like good stay there for a big chunk of the playoffs it was they played two pairs and then one of oduya and homerson got hurt i can't remember which one yep and so they like that was the whole conversation i remember heading into the final it's well tampa's got this new young scoring depth and chicago's got three defense and they won and they won anyway i i i'm i need this trade to happen now because we've talked about it too much

for it not to and i don't you just want to see i do want listen i want to see how it gets done uh and i do want to see oilers nation erupt i i do want to see that not because i want that for Oilers fans, but because they are quite funny about it when they do. It's a very sick sense of humor Oilers fans have. I would love to praise Ken Holland at the end of it. Hey, what a

creative way, what a creative forward-thinking way of doing things. Jesse? Yes. What do you think the chances are that Steve is praising Ken Holland at the end of this? I think there is a situation where this

deal, either it doesn't happen because there's too much around it and then we praise ken holland for not doing it because it was too much of a media storm so i will praise him for that there is an avenue where steve is steve is praising him and the other one would be that uh chicago hands edmonton duncan keith because uh they want to just send them there so badly and then we would praise ken holland but those are the only two scenarios other than that every other avenue is just just chaos so i don't know also duncan keith averaged 31 minutes uh during his con smith uh playoff run 31 minutes per game 21 points in 23 games unbelievable you have the other defenseman up i can pull it up if

you give me a moment yeah because that was uh and like that's with overtime and everything basically every overtime game i was like well surely the blackhawks are losing you can't do this there's no way you can do this all the way to a cup and they did it it was truly truly wild the way they did it here's me dancing

I'm waiting for Jesse to look it up time on ice time on ice per 60 minutes Duncan Keith at 31 31 next up was 26 for Seabrook Yalmerson had 26 Johnny Oduya

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would lose on monday night and boy did she get her wish what was that was the first part of reference to well we got a bunch of people saying it's not the mayor of tampa bay it's the mayor of tampa city of tampa and then if you look at the whole thing it's tampa st petersburg right tampa st pete's so anyway well so tampa bay is playing montreal tonight isn't that the name of the team I know, I know. But like with Vegas, we have lost the loss. So it's just the Vegas Golden Knights. So the Las Vegas Golden Knights should be playing the Tampa Bay Lightning right now,

but they're not because they lost to the Montreal Canadiens. That's right. There, that's a sentence. There it is. Canadians pull it out in overtime. I honestly, like, I have to say, like, in every appreciable category, Tampa won this game, except for the score, which is the one that matters.

Out shot. Canadiens were out shot, out hit, sloppy with the puck. So 18 giveaways throughout the game. But two things I think went right. First off, you have the post. Three different times. Nikita Kucherov hitting a post with three minutes left to win the Stanley Cup.

That's the cup. That's the cup. That's literally why you're still in this series. And number two, the invisible man, except for when he's not, Josh Anderson. when josh anderson is on he is unstoppable that's one in every four games do we owe mr jeff an apology who's mr jeff jeff ducharme do we owe him an apology because the new line that play well the new the new lines he put together played well you know it's caulfield had a really

hard time getting into the series yes he did and game four was by far his loudest and that line was going nick suzuki was a threat and josh anderson looked like josh anderson that's not a depth player man it's not a depth player and that's how he's been used a lot of the time and it's difficult for him to get on the board playing those depth minutes i think um it's one thing if he's on like a battering ram line like uh what what was it it was him was it him stall and perry Yeah, I didn't get that. I didn't understand that line. Yeah, but no, I think he needs to be.

That's a great fit for him. It's a great fit for him. Make a little room. He's got to be noticeable. You can see exactly why he got the contract he did. He's tantalizing. If you're an NHL GM, you see however many shifts a game. It's a low percentage, but you see what he's capable of in a single shift.

Oh, my God. How do you not whip your entire wallet at that man's forehead? But we just haven't seen it enough. Here's where, here's Montreal's problem. Anderson's averaged one of those games a series. And he's had one. What did I tell you? It's like one in every four games.

He's like that. He needs, guess what? We need four straight. We need four straight. It's going to be hard, but it's doable. Now we only need three straight. do we have the lines because uh anderson suzuki caulfield is that was what worked that was buzzing and staying together and even roman off he scored last night right you put him in the lineup you get

a goal out of a guy you just insert there that's great i still don't agree with taking out uh kotkin yummy because he's literally your leading goal scorer at even strength i watched eric stall because of what steve said on the last podcast jesse and i was like he's right not that i did doubted you but it was like he what does he do what exactly do you do here besides win a few face-offs it was the veteran thing and i think that's a shame you know you take out the young kid and you leave in the veteran because you don't want to because you want the veteran in the lineup at the end of the season and on that line hang on one sec steve on that line alex romanoff plays his third game scores a goal his right like you national goal on 151 games between the khl and the

nhl but no augustusson gustafson every time yeah well you made the right change here so here's the lines from arpin basu it sounds like there's no changes uh to foley dino gallagher i like it anderson suzuki caulfield i like it byron evans leckanen that is a fast annoying perfectly built third line i like it armia stall perry you're so close y'all won you're so close um i'd like cock and yemi in there in place of stall you have charlotte weber edmondson petrie and romanov kulak kulak by the way uh figured it out and real quick the extra line is tatar cock and yemi fro leak which may honestly be better than their fourth line with the exception of fro leak that's a better line than some nhl's like third lines like why not tatar cock and yemi

armia kakeniemi uh tatar perry anyway uh kulak figured it out tampa was unreal they're so good at defending the offensive blue line how's montreal supposed to get anything accomplished they can't get out of their own zone they're so annoying and kulak took a split second to be like okay they're picking off every pass what if i just don't do that and he took it for a little bit of a skate and they get it deep and it doesn't work the first time but then they get it back in and that led to the first goal that suzuki amazing pass to anderson which was the second shot of the game for montreal second shot and fourth shot attempt yeah the tampa bay started off the game eight no in shots like they just and then it was 10-1 before Montreal got their second shot

Montreal charges out of the blue line neutral zone takeaway back in their zone Montreal charges out the blue line neutral zone takeaway back into their zone that was it was Tampa was just flying flying in that first 20 minutes most underrated defensive team in the league oh yeah because it's the third thing you talk about when it comes to them you know it's they're they're unreal they're unreal uh what do you what did you think of John Cooper's comments like what should we have done differently hit fewer posts I guess I think he's right yeah what do you fix about that team it was great you go in you go that's hockey guys uh let's get ready for game five in front of 18,000 of our own fans screaming our names I tell you what Montreal won despite themselves yes thank you

Josh Anderson was very very good very very good but again you can't count on Josh Anderson to be very very good every game you can't even count on josh anderson to be good every other game so and that's the that's the truth this is a guy who's making over five million dollars and scored less points than spezza this year but like we don't come on it's out of respect because you know what him in top form looks like you expect you want that he's paid like he plays that like that every game right and listen for everyone all the montreal fans are going to say oh mitch marner matthew blah blah yeah man agree completely agree i oh yeah everyone's given them such an easy time yeah yeah no they've had it's been great for them it's been oh yeah for them

and we haven't had to leave anything don't tell them we don't want to hurt their feelings like ridiculous ridiculous stop making it about that the reality is josh anderson needs to be like that every game yes yes he does now i tell you what though can i be a silly goose for a moment sure please tampa loses this game they are deep shit they lose this game they are in such deep shit it's it's the montreal canadians a lot of rules don't seem to apply to them they're the most history rich team they have such a unique fan base that talks about them with this with this reverence the way like a the way a chef talks about food you you ever you ever watch one of those shows you hear a chef talk about food and it's like they're in love with it

yep they're in they're in this oh my goodness um the way that's my theory talks about burgers cheese meat and bacon and some tomatoes and every time he's got something else to say about it just oh they've come up with different adjectives and everything and that's that's the magic around this team and they win game four at home in overtime oh and all of a sudden they're coming to your building if you can't close it out there that's a problem i do have a stat from sports net stats i loved this stat i don't know i don't know if i i don't know if i trust it give it let's hear it sorry roger sports net stats okay yeah montreal is the 28th team to ever be down three nothing in stanley cup final so before the before them there were 27 20 of those 27 teams got swept

what happened to the other seven four of them lost in five that can still happen one team has ever lost in six those the 2012 devils who looked like they might actually come back against the kings by the way until steve bernier took a very silly goose five minute major early in game six and then they got run over 1945 Red Wings They 4-7 Lose 1942 Leafs

The only team still In NHL history to be down 3-0 In a Stanley Cup final and win it And there's something About the parade Of Leafs humiliations That makes me be like Oh god

The Habs are about to take away the only Thing Leaf fans have to cling on to they're about to take it away from us they're about to take it away but that doesn't change the fact that the habs need to become the first team since two since since the second world war to erase a three nothing deficit in the stanley cup final no steve yesterday around uh 5 50 p.m eastern time i turned on the television well i turned it on before that but around that time I was watching Tim McAuliffe, Steve Dangle, Julian McKenzie, and Nick Alberga talk about this stat here. And I saw Steve have that same reaction on national television.

And it hurt a little because I said internally, Steve, your brain is broken. That's not going to happen. The Canadians aren't coming back. That's a ridiculous way to think that this has anything to do with the history of the Toronto Maple Leafs. And I, and I'm so sorry for your, your broken Leafs brain, but you have to lose to, even if, even if Tampa loses tonight, uh, before this series, I believe you and I both predicted Tampa in six and in order to win in six, you have to lose two games. So why don't we not overreact to them losing two games?

Because before this year, as you predicted that they would lose two games. So, and they haven't even done that yet. So I think they'll probably win tonight. And if they lose tonight, don't overreact. I'm just, I just imagined the tease heading into game seven. It's going to, first of all, it's going to start with the mayor. It's going to start with the mayor win game five first. I didn't know it's going to start with the mayor and she wanted a chance for

them to win it at home and now they can lose it. it's just it's such a good there's just sound bites man there's sound bites the raptors were down to nothing getting their asses kicked by the milwaukee bucks and then kawaii goes going back to toronto for game three and in that moment i was just like oh they're about to win the championship like i was oh that or at very least i thought they were about to beat the bucks like there was something about that moment where i was just like oh everything's gonna be fine they're going to be fine what do you think the series is over we're gonna say when they lose tonight it's gonna be hilarious because if you listen to this show like what a couple hours after

it comes out they might have like you might be watching this the tampa bay lightning tampa bay lightning you might be watching them skate around the ice with the cup right now i uh i got a question um just on a different subject for a moment other than superstition and the leaf sucking oh something reasonable yeah here's a reasonable question can steven stamkos play hockey anymore or is he just there for the power play whoa do you see steven stamkos much other than the power play is my question he okay is he hurt like i'm not i'm not asking in a in a way that's like fuck steven stamkos i'm serious like is he is that why they have him out he must be hurt he's i don't know if this is a weird way of putting it i mean he still obviously got it and is shot

as a weapon but like he almost doesn't like fit the lightning does that make sense well yeah and that's why i wanted to that's why i wanted to talk about it because what i think is interesting they have to make a move this offseason right Oh, stop it! Stop it! No way! When I saw him play, my question is, for the $9 million he takes up, are the Lightning 5-on-5 that hurt by Stamkos not being there? I said Lightning 5-on-5.

He played 38 games this year. I haven't been on the lookout for bad Stephen Stamkos play, so I haven't really noticed it. No, I want you to be on the lookout for any Stephen Stamkos play. so here's where adam i you know i love me some stammer but here's where adam has a bit of a point first of all this dude has 18 points in 22 games that's so funny i know it's almost point a game i know he's where how many of those are not on the powerpoint i am often surprised by how often i'm watching the game and i go oh steven stamp goes you know what i mean i like far more

often, Yanni Gord is impossible to not notice. Every year, I just write a verbal love letter to Yanni Gord. I would kill to have him on my team. And Kucherov, you know when he's out there, the fourth line immediately

has a very fourth line feel to it. The way they just bang and crash and everything. But there's something about when Stamkos is on the ice. It's just, oh, there he is. But his points are wild! Yeah, I actually do, because I intentionally did not do any research on this.

So I have Steven St. Louis even strength this playoffs. He has 22 games, three goals, three assists, 26 shots. That compares to on the power play, five goals, seven assists. That's 12.17 shots. A little different. That's an interesting... Six versus 12. He doubles the amount of points he has.

uh on the power play as opposed to and i'm not saying he's not an effective player or a useful player in fact i would love a guy who could score that much on the power play on the toronto maple leaves yeah i know wouldn't you couldn't you wouldn't that be great but then you look at the majority of the game is played five on five but he scores but the majority of the game is played five on five but my my question is not whether steve and stamkos has been a useful or valuable part of the stanford bay lightning team it's not that people will take it as that but that's not it we know that the lightning are about three there are three good periods away from making a trade within 48 hours of winning the cup we know that right we know that when the cup

announced the tyler johnson trade but tyler johnson's not going to be enough they are going to have to shed more salary you can find really good assets and a lot of takers for a guy like Stephen Stamkos he's the captain he's Mr. Tampa Bay I get all that but this team its core is Brayden Point Nikita Kucherov Andre Vasilevsky and Victor Hedman and probably Sergeyev moving his way into that beyond those five guys you have to look at potentially moving everybody else so here's what's very interesting about that Adam that's a very fair point it is a very fair point I'm going to get lit the fuck up for it though Get ready

No it's an interesting conversation So let's look at their forwards Let's look at everyone who makes above league men Patrick Maroon Oh we'll just deal Patrick Maroon Oh wait he's got a modified no trade clause And also he only makes $900,000 Okay

Alex Killorn Oh wait a sec sorry He's got a modified no trade clause Okay we're going to deal Anthony Sorelli well no that's that's silly why would we do that he's 23 really silly really really really uh so we're gonna trade tyler johnson oh god he's got a modified no trade clause geez okay well then i guess we're gonna have to trade yanni gourd oh crying out loud he's got a no trade clause okay well then we're gonna have to trade andre palat oh i missed his modified no trade class i'm sorry

braden points this is where we pause for laughter then stephen stamp goes oh my god he's got a full no move well surely we don't have to trade nikita kucherov oh well we couldn't anyway he's got a full no move well okay okay jeez let's let's look to defense victor headman i oh god i really don't want to trade him but oh well good good news is i don't have to he's got a full no uh no move clause what's he okay okay we already got victor headman on the left we're gonna have to make a sacrifice ryan mcdonough oh god sorry he's got a full no trade class as well holy shit they have an unbelievable amount of these and also on there and i think everyone would agree deserving is andre vasilevsky uh full no move they have one two three four five six seven eight nine ten

either no moves no trades or modified no trades the uh the cologne one and the tyler johnson one are thankfully only 16 team lists so you have half the league to trade them too thankfully well i think tyler johnson's it must have changed again jesse because i thought there was an eight or nine team list this year and i guess it expands this you would be correct it did it did change halfway through his contract and a couple weeks ago so from july 1st 2018 until june 15th 2021 it was a full no trade clause and then on june 15th of this year it kicked into a 20 team no trade list until the end of the contract it's pretty cool so here's 11 12 teams here's my prediction if tampa bay wins the stanley cup tonight there will be at least one player on the lightning who's not

actually on the lightning anymore they're already done yeah yeah they've made the trade they've made the trade they just haven't filed the paperwork it's done and if this season isn't the off season for Stamkos to get moved and you can understand why. You could think that it might be next. Like, is Steven Stamkos a lightning player in the next 18 months?

I have serious question marks. It's... Man. That's your captain. Getting old sucks. Yeah, but Victor Hedman could be your captain. That's true.

I mean, Steve Eisenman was the Detroit captain and then, oh man, they only had to pass it to Nicholas Lidstrom. Bummer, dude. Oh, man. It's a wild thing to think about

But it's probably not even the most wild trade proposal We've talked about on this episode Yeah, if Duncan Keith can get traded That should be the new Well, Wayne Gretzky got traded It should be Duncan Keith got traded It's the other way Wow

That's fucking crazy in the cap world You really do need a law degree to break down trades these days You do You do. I do want to mention too, in watching the Tampa Bay Lightning, and this is full credit to them and their coaching staff. And I'm going to say this again and again and again until the Leafs get it. When you have weapons from the point, they have a system set up and you can see the play, the Victor Hedman slap shot on the power play. You've seen it. A couple of times it's led to a goal and all he does is keep it low. And it's like a laser beam. Someone tips it,

It goes through Carey Price's glove. Sometimes it hits him in the chest or whatever. But every single time within three seconds of that face-off, they win the face-off, Winger gets it, throws it back to Hedman, uncovered, shot at the net, and it goes through. It usually hits Price. Usually.

When can we expect that in Toronto? When can we expect to have a defenseman? Listen, this is a nice thing to actually ask about because in Toronto for the longest time, what we were asking for was defenseman. Just any guy. who could shut down a play. Can we get now, yeah, since we're moving up in the world,

can we get now a guy who can play defense, play a little bit of offense, shoot from the point of the power play? Can we do that? You move Morgan Rielly to get the next guy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense, right? But here's the problem with Toronto. We know this management group is very smart,

but they are kind of dumb about the guys they love. like we saw we we you saw and i saw morgan riley with cody cc for an entire season and they defended that cody cc went on to have a great year in pittsburgh because they put him in a role that works for cody cc so there was an interesting debate wanted to call itself a stanley cup contender with cody cc and morgan riley as their top defensive pair that's what the Leafs tried to sell you on and they sold me down the river on it I'm mad I'm mad okay they tried to sell you on that don't let them do that again big move on defense this offseason please also follow their actions and not what they say right yes of course their actions the

whole uh COVID bubble here whatever you want to call it was we it was Bradley Cooper on the phone in the hangover going guys we effed up yep it was they lost the they lost david ayers who saved the leafs literally the savior of the leafs losing that game because the next day trade deadline awful quiet awful quiet they don't do anything it allowed them to get bogosian the next year because surely he would have joined the team that year which was the plan and been like Oh, these guys are terrible. Now he might, you know, he was good. He might actually come back.

They brought in a high school student to try to motivate the team in the bubble. Like it was, it was all very bad. If, if we are moving on here, cause I will relate this back. Okay. Paul McFarland is now joining the Seattle Krakens coaching staff. He's joining Dave Haxtell. So Haxtell used to be a, a, an assistant coach for the Leafs. I think they were assistants together.

They were under Babcock and Keefe. Okay. So McFarlane McFarlane did the power play. Haxtell did the penalty kill. So they worked very close together. McFarlane. We were excited about in Leafland because he came from Florida and they had a top five power play.

They were assassins. They were great. He comes in, they start hot and then fall into the toilet. and then this year Paul McFarlane can I just throw this out there he left before the end of last season

he did it was very odd I don't know if he was in the bubble but he committed to leave whenever the season was done it was very confusing Manny Malhotra joins Paul McFarlane you look like a bum because look how good our power play is

and then it falls in the toilet again and at what point is it not the coach oh it's clearly not the coach at what point is it not the coach is it not the coaching and and you know the only the only pushback i got about that was why can't it be both well surely it could be surely it could be but this is now i believe the third guy to run the power play uh randy hiller hillier hiller uh paul mcfarland and now manny malhotra and there could be a different guy next year freaking score for the love of god and like the the no slapshots thing like do we all

think morgan morgan riley can't i don't know i'm pretty sure he can do we all think tj brody can't i'm pretty sure he can do we all think jake muzzin well we saw him we know he can we know he can sandin i'm pretty sure he can i'm pretty sure nhl players know how to take a slap shot it's but i have a hard time it's it's very confusing because different players different personnel different coaches same result but it almost seems like a team mandate we don't take slap shots on the power play we don't take point slap shots on the power play i should say well except for Tyson Berry. No, Adam, those were muffins.

Learn the difference, please. Those were... He would do the full NHL 99, wind up to the, like, behind his head, and then it's off an E, four feet wide. It was brutal. It was fucking brutal. You guys know that.

You remember that. That was close, said Cody. Yeah. I still... Thank God the Leafs won that game against the blue jackets after that shit remember cody cc shot wide and scored it's honest it's the worst shot oh yeah god it's good to be elite fan oh my god honestly that shot in overtime game four against the blue jackets i think might be the worst shot i've ever seen in an nhl game the

only thing that comes close is craig smith with an empty net against elise when he was still with the Preds uh he the puck was like in the blue paint and they and he shot it on the backhand the goal goal light goal horn goes off and everything but he actually scooped it straight up and into the stance it's it's maybe the most unforgivable miss in NHL history but um that CC shot was up can you do a classic dang it's that includes that one that one and Patrick stefan missing the uh open net with dallas and then i really should yeah like classic dang it's man i think we did stefan okay i'd have to look it up did you do merrick malik doing the penalty shot because wow it's big fat big tall defense but can't score it's crazy

yeah oh yeah yeah for the rest of time we did uh our most viewed one is uh leaving patrick in for nine goals against detroit it's it's still a that story today can you imagine oh like what a delicious that whole podcast we could do a whole episode on that carrie price the the habs letting letting them uh stay in net for nine goals and then just calmly walking to dom du charme or no jeff molson walking past dom du charme to jeff molson behind the bench i am no longer on the habs and just sitting down that happened that happened in real life the best goalie in the world arguably literally quit on the bench because there was no glass and and and like 18 months previous to that had won a cup with the team

like it wasn't that long before it was like mid 90 what is that 94 95 that happened and they got traded for jose theodore when the abs took over like i mean like it wasn't long they were going nowhere fast and had just signed a radio host to be their head coach um and he oh yeah mariel trombley had played with wa when wa was a younger man they were teammates he had an nhl pedigree he didn't really have any coaching experience he was like on the radio or something and so the habs brought him in and he decided to what oh yeah this is like the leafs being like hey jeff o'neill is our new head coach yeah what and it's like yeah i would like that yeah you know x leave radio host bring him in why not why not jay's did that too and he stared he left

in for nine and stared him down and so and wa goes and wa like why it's it's the it's the it's the number one two and three fuck around and find out moment in nhl history yeah and patrick do we know why though what was the what was the was there a rivalry brewing there between coach and player i'm sure it's been written about a hundred times you know i can't remember but we just don't know does mario tromba is he allowed to show his face in montreal ever i think he's still on the radio i guess so that's uh talk about a plan b situation is uh plan a is head coach oh make one of the worst coaching mistakes in nhl history all right radio it is and history repeats itself patrick waugh wins the jack adams becomes one of the worst coaches in nhl history after that

and never coaches again and he said it's not for me it's not it's not for me i just won the top award that was it on the jays did that with um buck martinez too he was like a i mean he was a player but i don't believe he had managed much and then they made him the manager and like i think after cito gaston was fired in the late 90s early 2000s he managed well we just didn't get a player buck did a decent job yeah i thought he did so it can work he knows the game but i think it's a little different with baseball um anyway one story short mario trombley so uh here's this is just straight from the wikipedia page uh trombley regularly mocked uh was english speaking abilities uh while was a frequent uh target of trombley during the latter's sports radio career

the two had almost come to blows in two incidents in 1995 one at a long island coffee shop before trombley was announced as a coach and after trombley allegedly fired a shot at was throat during practice why did they hire him and then uh and then after that uh is the december 22nd incident in 1995 where he allowed the nine why did they hire him who the fuck was running the team oh my god what a clown show the arrogance of that that's outrageous it's it's it's so bad it's so bad i've i covered that trade at length because i had to break it down it was like a dang it slash trade tree that i did breaking down that incident and the trade that came of it and then the reason i haven't done that trade individually as a trade tree

is because it's actually part of the eric lindros trade tree okay the the players the avalanche got as a result of the lindros trade in the early 90s are are staggering yes they got peter forsberg as a result they got la mule adam deadmarsh claude lemieux uh i think alex tange rob blake theron flurry who didn't win a cup with them but was a monster with them in the very short amount of time that he was with them um it directly uh ties to the matt sundin to the leafs trade it's oh it's it's huge there's a reason that video is over 40 minutes long if there i think there has to be by the way this is revisionist history but we should do revisionist nhl history every once in a while there's an argument to be made that the colorado avalanche still win the cup in 1996 if two things

don't happen they don't trade mats and they don't trade eric so if lindros had agreed to play because he didn't like the owner and the owner turned out to be not a great guy of the nordiques and if they don't trade mats tell me what team with mad sundin and eric lindross in their young prime is able like who's going to stop that and joshua and tebow you know who else was there is joe sacking oh my god joshua and tebow was a good goalie but like he was never never patrick i think the meanest thing about that trade is they included a goalie yeah now you're the guy who follows up patrick waugh forever forever he was tied to that forever and if you actually go and look at his nhl career he wasn't really bad but he was always the guy who was traded for

patrick waugh it's so shitty it's such a shitty situation yeah yeah the gm at the time too had only been doing the job for 40 days and faced a lot of criticism for uh making the trade instead of trying to resolve the tension between Waugh and Trump left. Fire the coach. Yeah. Fire the coach. And you know what? Not enough is made to. We don't talk about this because a lot is made of that

Canadians 93 run and a lot should be made of that. Last cup in Canada. That means anything to you really doesn't. That doesn't bother me or interest me very much. I don't know if it makes me a bad Canadian. I just don't care. It's irrelevant. Okay, so it's just a made up thing, right? For cities, not countries.

Thank you. I appreciate that. It's canada with its small man syndrome coming out again um what was the thing that gene simmons said about canada it's like so someone's like what do you think about canada he's like i think it's great but can you stop asking like can you just feel confident in what you are like it's weird it's weird we'll take that we'll put that in the small pile of correct gene simmons takes yes yes he was right he was right he was right there a lot of bad calls after um i i i think i think not enough is made about the i don't know i don't want to call it the dissemination of talent the last the loss of talent after the 93 run that montreal went through i mean two of those

guys became major players on the flyers that went to the cup like three four years later desjardins and uh leclerc leclerc and you had chris chelios and you had um uh god you had benny danfuss and you had like they had all these incredible players kirk muller i think kirk muller was a leaf at that point maybe or did he come no he became a leaf later kirk muller remember yeah you want you definitely won the cup there um there was that would that team is there's got to be eight or nine hall of famers on it it was quite good and should have if you look at the team like i'll look at the 1993 ross 1993 that's uh stanley cup strombo in his uh tenure at sports and that was one thing we talked about.

He's like, are you one of those Leaf fans who thinks if it wasn't for the Gretzky high stick, the Leafs would have won the Cup in 93? And I went, oh, no. He's like, good, because they wouldn't have. No, they wouldn't have. He's like, that guy's Habs fan through and through. And like, it's true.

It's true. As feel-good as that team was, they were not beating Patrick Watt's Montreal Canadiens in 1993. So you've got Danfuss, Muller, Brian Bellows, Stéphane Lebeau, who people forget about, but had 80 points in 71 games that year mike keen denny savard right uh gil gilbert dion i don't remember gilbert but he played pretty well uh eric desjardins matthew schneider john leclaire patrice briseois um jj dandano gary lehman uh kevin holler and then like gee carbineau who i believe is in

And Lyle Odeline, future Columbus Blue Jackets captain, Todd Ewan, Brian Scroodlin, who was a good sort of depth player. I remember Brian Scroodlin. Rob Ramage played three games for them. And then you had Patrick Waugh and Andre Ricott? I don't even know. Who cares who the backup goalie was? But yeah, like you've got...

Gracio? Gracio? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, Patrick Waugh. Yeah, you've got some pretty good players there. That was a damn good team. Really, really good team.

And it's funny that we sort of sit there and think, you know, there's a trade key here, that we don't talk enough about the amount of players they lost. It's more than Patrick Waugh. You know, I don't know how you lose John. I think they lost John LeClair maybe to free agency because the dollar was bad. But you lost some really, really good talent

after that series was over. And I don't think we've talked enough about that. That should have been a multi-year run for them. He was so good, too. Like, you go and look at his HockeyDB, you see his numbers not do so hot in Montreal for, like, a little bit. He really wasn't actually that spectacular for Colorado in the regular season that year, was a god in the playoffs,

and basically gave them great goaltending for the rest of his career. Here's the rest of his career after that season. 923, 916, 917, 914, 913, 925, 920 and that was the second half of his career he was good Patrick Wildman anyway this is not a rabbit hole

I expected us to go down today no no okay so let's keep moving here then we've got okay so this is an interesting one if you're if you're Eric Lindros and it's 1991

I am moving us on here by the way you're Eric Lindros it's 1991 you're the can't miss guy of the draft. And you know, the team you're going to is a mess and you hate the owner. And I'm not saying that in this particular case, this is exactly how things are going. Team's a mess. Don't like the owner. Don't like the direction of the team. What do you do? Well, you do as Eric Lindros does, and you don't put on the jersey and you refuse to play for the team and force them to trade you. Now that was back then when

you could come into the NHL and make like five or $6 million right off the bat. you know, there were rookie salaries that were higher than guys that had been there for six or seven years. There was no restrictions. You're Owen Power. This draft is a crapshoot, which everybody knows. People are looking at it like, man, we're not really sure. We're just going to guess, but we know you're good. So I would argue that that makes, if I'm Owen Power, my values just skyrocketed because I'm the most sure thing of a thing, which is the draft, which is not a sure thing ever, but I'm the most sure thing of this draft. So I'm arguably a more

valuable first round pick than most years because most years people will be like, well, I feel like we could get a guy with comparable talent at 15. This year, we just don't know. And I know there are rankings and that sort of thing, but to say that we're on the same level as we were two years ago is a lie we're not we don't know we just don't know as much and owen power has said he is staying at michigan where he currently plays for at least the next two years do you want me to read the quote please do it doesn't stay i want everyone to pay very close attention to the wording okay so uh when asked about it he says i wouldn't say i'm committed to going back to school i mean i'm probably leaning towards it right now i think it would be pretty special just actually going to

class and not doing it online just being able to do stuff other than go to the rink and home i think would be something that i would like to do if you remember uh this pandemic that we're in owen power never got to experience his first year of university he went to school at the university of michigan and he literally just played hockey and did all the class online so that's his reasoning for that what do you guys take away from that don't take me first it's owen power does not want to go to the buffalo sabers it's open-ended right so this is why this is why the distinction of he doesn't actually say it is important here jesse can you just read the first little bit one more time i wouldn't say i'm committed to going back to school i mean i'm probably leaning towards

it right now because you're gonna go number one again he doesn't want to go to the buffalo savers now power hold on steve i just want to put this into context he would rather study and do homework than make a million dollars okay he's not doing rather study and do homework not doing any studying or then make a million dollars for three years then go to buffalo and you know who can't blame him anyone anyone well i it's basically i don't know if i'm ready to play first line in the show yet because like bro you know what you know what i do if i'm kevin adams i trade that pick for something valuable that someone is actually going to come play for me because even if they draft him and even if he decides to sign let's say he signs we have a player who doesn't want

to be here which goes along with our entire team of players who don't want to be here which include a previous first overall pick second overall pick excuse me what does buffalo need more than players who actually want to be there players like that's a tough one the other here's here's the thing here's the distinction from 1991 though in simply trading the pick or sorry simply picking him and then trading him the guy who went number two was pat falloon you know what i mean like good good pat falloon was good it's not a 50 point player 50 60 point player it's not eric landros it's tough you look at this draft because three was scott niedermeyer oh that would could have been the leaps scott lechance aaron ward peter forsberg um it's yeah there are some very very very good

players later in that round 15th overall was alex kovalev next pick was marcus nasland holy shit this is pretty good uh this year because it's such a crap shoot i think what owen power is hoping for or at very least his counsel i think what they're hoping for is the saber simply pass and they'll take someone else first overall this happens in the ohl all the time yeah where a guy goes first overall and and we make a big deal of it but they really were like the sixth or seventh ranked player because the team that has the first overall pick all their players or all the players ahead of them use their leverage to be like do not pick me i don't want to come yeah or a guy goes what is it 22nd overall 23rd overall and you're like how did that happen and it's always

london weird right it's so strange how does how do they manage that they must you know what it's crazy i don't know i don't get it there's a few teams who always scouting lucky in that it's weird they're you know what they're ahead of him ahead of amateur scouting i guess that would be amateur amateur scouting you can't put a price on hockey minds there's no analytic for hockey minds no one would ever say that they're all talking to each other and it's a little bit rigged but anyways that's ridiculous how dare you the the sabers could get away with it too just by being like, hey, we already drafted

Darlene. We don't need another number one overall defenseman. Yeah, fuck that. It means talent. Am I right? Let's take a forward instead of Owen Bauer. Let's take Mason McTavish or whoever is projected to go second. Or Kent Johnson, I think

is the other guy. Here's the thing. Owen Bauer, Jesse, doesn't want to get Rasmus Ristelainen or Rasmus Darlene. He doesn't want he wants to be a great player. I think Rasmus Dallin is actually going to be a great player for someone else one day.

He is very good. You know, Owen Power last year, well, he played at U of Michigan this year, but the year before he played for the Chicago Steel of the USHL, which is essentially the USHL farm team of the Toronto Maple Leafs. So he's going to go to the Leafs. I don't know if you know this or not. Owen Power, future Leaf, called it.

Save this clip. uh it's i it's a very interesting strategy from the kid kevin adams has such a hard job he has such a hard job and you know what's crazy this is not even close to his top priority but they did make a couple hires over the weekend which was good elliot friedman tweeted about they hired i forget what they hired but they elliot friedman tweeted about his like interesting developments out of buffalo and then they mentioned mentioned the two people they hired and then elliot wrote or then somebody replied why is this interesting and i thought maybe it's interesting because they hired someone usually when you hear about buffalo they're firing people

so yeah they just need players for god's sake um or sorry the people working for them yeah for god's sake but uh these are actually these are very good hires i'm not gonna lie i don't know a ton about jason nightingale who is uh now the assistant director of amateur scouting hey scouting that's pretty neat high five um but interesting hire by buffalo sam ventura from pittsburgh as its vp of hockey strategy and research so this is them uh dipping uh deeper into analytics sam ventura has a stanley cup ring um with the with at least one stanley cup ring you might have two uh with the pittsburgh penguins i'm not gonna lie i don't know enough about jason nightingale but they have two new people working for them isn't that neat isn't that great that's

a great start that's good news for sabers fans how often do we say that on this show good news and uh i think the analytics community made a big deal of sam ventura because um he headed up the pittsburgh department and then when they reshuffled everything he was kind of a free agent now and buffalo jumped on him and they also hired um jason carmanos earlier who was also from the pittsburgh organization so they've been building some solid the front office hires which is nice to see is jason carmanos the same guy the same carmanos family that used to own the hurricanes i believe this is one of the kids who sued their dad no no way really didn't we talk about this on the show we did but i'm not sure was it the kids or the grandkids is it the same i don't know it

is the same family we should maybe make sure of that yeah maybe don't throw that out there his dad is peter carmanos okay yeah so some of the kids what we understand sued peter i don't know if jason was involved in the law i don't you're right i don't know either peter carmanos sued by his adult sons this is from jc rendell detroit free press uh the lawsuit this is just an excerpt third paragraph the lawsuit was filed last week by the stock partnership against uh carmanos 73 in oakland county circuit court the three sons in the partnership are peter carmanos the third nick carmanos and jason carmanos who are from uh carmanos's first marriage to barbara and carmanos okay so that would be the same carmanos unless he's got two

sons named jason jason and jason the second junior the third okay so that's all right okay well now we've got a few siblings actually hey is hockey insular i don't know a little bit i'm not listening i'm not saying he doesn't deserve it but is hockey a little insular uh yeah i'm not criticizing the move i'm just simply stating the minority owner the minority owner of another team, and his son is in this organization. He knows this guy. So weird. Jesus. It's a thing. It sure is.

It sure is a thing. Very little club you can't get into. So I do want to quickly mention this. Rory Boyland, Sportsnet writer, put seven spots that Jack Eichel could end up in. Minnesota, LA, Columbus, Anaheim, New York Rangers, Vegas, and Philly.

Doesn't have to be one of those picks, but gentlemen, I wanted to ask you. Jack Eichel and the Sabres closing in on getting that neck issue resolved, or at least coming together on what's the treatment solution going to be. When he does get traded, who's your pick?

One team. What's that? Tampa. Okay, Tampa. For Tampa, straight up. Let's go. No, no. Who's your actual pick?

Here, give me the seven again. It doesn't have to be one of these seven. Yes, it does. Let's hear it. Okay. Minnesota. Los Angeles. columbus anaheim the new york rangers vegas of course and philadelphia

i'm gonna say la actually stole my pick oh did i you should both say why you think though that's interesting i like that you both picked that they've been making an ungodly amount of noise they have um for a while now and they keep popping up and everything and i keep going the kings really and they seem like a bad team that was never really ready to be bad right they were good for so long and they're ready to make some noise again and they've actually done a very good job of sort of stockpiling picks and prospects yep they have some really young guys ready to get on their team some guys who are 24 and under 23 and under uh gabriel velarde is 21 i'm just looking at their team captain my field sponsors this show michael anderson tobias

burenfoot um they got a new young goalie in cal peterson they got all kinds of guys their picks they got their own first for the next three years they don't have their second this year but they do have the blues they have their own third they have the least third forgot about that they don't have their own fourth but they have the flames fourth they have their own fifth their own six the only uh round they don't have a picking is the seventh right so they have the assets to get this done i keep looking at columbus and i think they should really try to move heaven and earth to finally get a like a forever first line center there but in absence uh in absence of the necessary assets I kind of think the Kings make more sense Jesse the Rangers are interesting because that's

the name but you pick the Kings oh I 100% pick the Kings uh as my first pick for every single reason that Steve just stated so instead of regurgitating that I'm going to say that the Rangers are interesting because of uh they've been in this conversation for so long and usually when something is that is building under you know that there's usually some truth to it and I think they also have the assets just like

Steve said and if you're willing to part with one of their big goalies they have two of them they have Georgiev and they have Shostakhin and if you put one of those guys in the deal it makes

the deal a lot easier for Buffalo because you can say, hey, we got a goalie forever. They're one of them. They're both 25. They're young. The contract's going to be super cheap. So it makes the Eichel deal a lot easier because you're getting in return for a star player,

a star goaltender. So the Rangers are very interesting to me. But my pick would be probably the Kings out of that list. This is a great conversation, I think, if you're a Sabres fan, because we're actually talking about who has the assets to get this done rather than who needs him it's jack eichel who needs him everyone what the he's great

he's an amazing player but the kings have the assets to get this done and so do the rangers i think and i have said rangers from the beginning but i the the more we talk about the sabers i think steve brings up a really good point which refutes his his la king's pick which is they're gonna go get a bunch of young players we mentioned turcotte by field who else was there that you mentioned there was uh i forget velarde and velarde yeah a bunch of young players what do the sabers need players of any kind right but players that can play regular minutes at the nhl level without being traumatized right well you see you bring in a young player too young without the proper support system what happens they don't do so good but here's the thing jack

Keuchel makes $10 million. So the Kings are going to have to give up someone. Kings or Rangers or whoever. This is why I'm going with Philadelphia. Are you saying Giroux? I'm not saying Giroux. I still want Giroux to be a senator. We learned our lesson.

I'm not saying Giroux. I am saying that if you are Buffalo, you're looking at a few names that might be very interesting to you that can fill out a roster. travis connect me is a name that comes up in trade trade talks all the time nolan patrick is a first overall pick i think second second overall pick so is jack eichel a little bit different but you can at least make you make the argument we got a high round pick back that

matters to jams and it matters to people fans the other guy i think would be interesting and i think that's why you're going to get two roster players and to pick out of this i think they're going to get a first round pick at least one and i think if you got a konyakni goss despair if you got a patrick yeah but goss's bear is bad now right right but he can play nhl minutes and he's got a year left on his deal and he's got to prove it he's got four and a half million dollars to be paid this year if he doesn't prove it then then you then you can cut him loose and you know that They're loathe to spend money, but he's a guy that can play in your top four

if you're a bad team. If you're not a great NHL team, Shane Goss' despair is a fine option at 3-4. What are we going to do on this show? They need a little Magic Beans, and they need a little scoring, and a little at least can hang. They need everything.

What are we going to do on this show when the Sabres trade Eichel for a second, third, and a guy who was picked in the fourth round four years ago? And the Leafs would be like, yeah, we didn't want him. we couldn't we couldn't get it done you know yeah we didn't we weren't in on it you know we didn't explore didn't even call no we're gonna go to felino and uh trade 18 first round picks and do that deal instead i'm really never gonna forgive them i don't blame you steve i don't every show it's my love for them i just every time you bring them up it just cleared and nothing

happens we have mentioned them a couple times guys but i have i have to say the leafs news this offseason has been suspiciously quiet it has been none the only thing we've heard is the darren drager report that freddie anderson thinks he's worth five million plus yeah and they re-signed spezza like and wayne simmons simmons like that's that's been it three stories that it's quiet good leave me alone for a while the philly philly just looking at their cat friendly they definitely have the money to fill up that 10 million dollars like they have a lot of big contracts that they can just ship out it's interesting anyway uh let's do the press conference Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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I did. All right. This is from at Chaser Wing. Okay. They want you to do an Adam's History Corner on this question. Would you rather be a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima or a Russian soldier in Stalingrad? Pick one. and explain your reasoning.

So here's the thing. These are both two of the worst battlefields in history for both the winners and the losers. The Russian soldier in Stalingrad wins the battle ultimately. But we always ask, at what cost? The cost was pretty huge, pretty crazy. I think the battle went on for more than a year.

And Iwo Jima is a little different