The Steve Dangle Podcast - More Core Four | June 27, 2024

Episode Date: June 27, 2024

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rainbow one uh so it's very cool what about red what about you want to see red i want to see red thank you to joe dabney by the way putting this together yeah amazing go back to black all right all right even steven we gotta get to the black people can listen to yeah so uh hey we're still we're still taking donations up until tomorrow uh for the virtual 5k they're obviously taking donations always um you can always donate to the get real movement or rainbow railroad but specifically for our 5k donations and tomorrow i think at noon is the cutoff of of when we're trying to raise funds for the 5k so hit the link in the description uh you better a great cost you better hit the or buy some merch and we'll just send the proceeds right to get real i didn't hear

anything you just said i want that shirt uh hey uh another thing we should mention obviously the um uh do we have a drop date on the philip ronick episode sir it's out it went up yesterday it didn't go up yesterday i didn't even know i thought it was supposed to come out today no it came out this morning okay about this morning ah yeah you see you see it did come out today yesterday no no no we launched it it launched today we teased it yesterday like we threw out clips from oh on twitter yesterday but we were like hey it's coming out tomorrow so you mean to tell me i wasn't paying attention and i sent the clip to michael buble instead of the full oh my goodness oh don't trip over that name you just dropped oh yeah uh by the way philip ronick

uh alan walsh and the whole the way we set this up was it's first off it's philip's first interview since the press conference at his signing he has not done any other media and alan talked about negotiation and i think it's kind of pertinent for free agency if you're interested in how agents look at free agency this is a great way to get a sense of that because could philip ronick have made more yeah yeah a lot more right-handed shot on the open market yeah but uh there's a whole bunch of other factors that go into things and this will benefit your favorite team uh by knowing this stuff because not everybody's just going to sign at market rates some will sign below and uh and then philip comes on and talks a little bit too and and uh he's just

philip's there it's really about alan yeah it's about isn't that what it's all about well if you're a fan of anybody like alan sort of shows you how the sausage is made yep uh you'll like it if you're a canucks fan you'll like it if you're a red wings fan and miss him and want to be sad yeah um yeah you'll like it yeah i like it a lot uh the other thing i want to say is that tomorrow night on the sdpn channel it will be the steve dangle podcast round one draft stream followed by the next morning a round two through seven draft stream no i'm kidding i was like oh my god oh oh no no we'd never do that but it will be round one tomorrow night and we will have fun coverage yeah yeah like i'll make a video holy man first round i can do it because i know something

he's not right now but with the kid it's like you know everything's like i don't know what day it is oh my god first round i'd be fine second round is when every pick starts to be like me flipping and going oh fucking um oh it becomes tinder this is yeah it's like yeah i don't freaking know swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe that's you don't know what's the fourth rounder your team picked you don't know what's your perception on the media type who becomes a draft expert a day before the draft annoying when there's the people out there who all season long they work their tails off to cover these prospects and they know guys left right and center all down the draft And then you get the media type who's in there just day before.

You know what? Yeah. This guy, they took fifth. Screw him. I hate that stuff. Well, yeah. Well, meanwhile, there's us. We get the elite prospects book.

Can I go? Thank you. No, but I don't. We're not pretending to be there and pretend like I watched a second of this guy play hockey. Like I've ever seen him skate in my life. Yeah, I do my research that week and I do the best I can to comment. but i'm not pretending i know i will say i am better researched this year than i am last year like i've been uh reading up on everyone and watching like video holy shit i want the leafs

to get tgm so bad oh it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen they picked 23rd so but oh my god i want them i i think i think what's interesting um uh is that everybody feels like they have to uh you don't have to what what we oh like what you know everything about the drafts you stand on the shoulders of giants you you you listen to the elite prospects guys like cam cam was so good last episode if you haven't checked it out we even isolated the clip on our youtube channel he was spectacular uh scott wheeler is going to come on next week and do a little draft day recap which don't we don't know which day yet but he's going to do winners losers and uh some sleepers and that sort of thing so that'll be fun uh and then uh merrick merrick

yeah merrick who's an encyclopedia but like and cory promen and some of these other guys it's like i don't i don't know man that's like your thing like i don't that's cool like and and i'll listen to you i'll defer to the expert and i'm okay with that you start screaming about the after every game then we're gonna you know i'm gonna move some furniture but until then when shane wright falls four spots that's that's a story for me who had that the day before i think that was pronman or like morning mackenzie was bob mackenzie confirmed pronman no i'm almost no bob mckenzie's remember when his draft list came out and he didn't have shane right at one and it was a big deal well not at one but then people were like oh well he's going at two

he fell to four now bobby mac said uh on the send draft episode that uh because they do their their picks uh that celebrini is probably better than badart uh one thing we didn't talk to cam robinson about is he said he's the if i'm i don't want to misquote him the best draft year collegiate player they've ever scouted which puts him above players like jack eichel jack hughes anyone yeah better than you mentioned dude that's really high that's exciting that's exciting what and like not exciting if you're looking forward to the uh nhl going back to the olympics in the next few years is that a canadian is that a canadian american thing i think so like there's a little bit of that conor bedard played in the chl and put up ridiculous numbers and he had more lead up and

we were like holy shit connor bedard and celebrini uh you know played in college let's say matt bay mitchkoff it turns out to be the best player in that draft i get the impression we're not talking about him enough no that's so it's interesting because what's going to be what's going to be fascinating is years from now when people go hold on you took reinbacher oh i know and and and they'll be like well wait a second you didn't understand the geopolitical blah blah blah at that time it's like yeah but you know that times change too right and and i think so and that's not to take away from ryan bacher who's taken a lot of crap from montreal fans and really shouldn't he's going to be steady i think the point here is that sometimes when it's a national team player

for your country you naturally pay more attention of course we knew about sydney crosby when he was 14 years old how do i know that because i was a year younger than him i was like wow that guy's being mentioned on tsn that's crazy right so i think with celebrini the fact that it's not a canadian team or a north northern team picking first overall right it's going to be southern california oh okay right i was like no he plays in the northern states no no but like yeah it's going to be and he's an american you know and and and i think that american program has been spitting out some unbelievable talent is is he an american like a u.s born guy or is he a canadian who plays in the states it's a good question so here was here's what's great about that it does

not matter yeah he's from north vancouver oh well there you go that's right it confused me because i know his dad uh works for the golden state warriors um which you're gonna hear hey don't remember hundred times you don't remember at the at the games the canucks games cheering in the crowd oh yeah during the playoffs is a big deal how do you guys forget this is how not drafted like i how would i would you know that i will never remember something like no but that's true that's not my personality remembering anything anything here's why that's a little confusing didn't bedard also grow up a canucks fan bedard is from uh the bc area yeah so this is back to back bc area bc yeah bc area bc area oh he's from seattle that's a dumb way to phrase

it yeah uh alaska no so it's back to back canucks fans from bc going first overall it's true i think it's fascinating it's not wrong i think it's fascinating the guy like celebrini and i hope we get a clearer answer that on this one day because this is guys like he's still 17 he won the hobie baker is the youngest player ever to win the hobie baker it's crazy i would love to know why they said let's uh let's go into the ncaa versus the whl which has put out some great um great talent it's interesting for the guys at the top um because you'd think they would just do um the major junior route like i've told this story a bunch of times but i'll tell it again because it's very relevant uh on a day like today um you go play junior a yeah and you kick ass in

junior a like there's this goalie that uh i interviewed uh back when i did a junior hockey show this is like 2009 i do not remember this goalie's name but he got a full ride to main university because he did well in junior a uh did he ever play pro i don't know i don't think so but you know what he got a free education at the university of that yeah like yeah yeah um so the guys at the top you would think you know play major junior go up against all the big stars go go high um you know what do you need your degree for or whatever like celebrating he's not getting a degree no he played a year but he's got a year there and i think it makes it easier to get back in if you want to later yes a hundred percent a hundred percent and like he could i don't know

he could do summers or like i don't know or he could just play hockey and be rich or he could just play hockey maybe he wants to go back to like he's saying he had such a great time i mean 32 goals 32 assists in 38 games i don't think their path matters anymore i think the level of competition in ncaa hockey has grown so much that no matter which path you want to take the end result is you're against high level competition and you can get drafted to the nhl and that's the end goal then like why not go down to the states have a great time with a bunch of your fellow university kids where you can make nil money now like it seems like a fantastic path for a good hockey player fewer games to fewer games yeah it's like 38 or something versus 68

i think it's a better lifestyle like nobody and nobody knocks the league anymore like nobody knocks ncaa hockey the lot of talent comes out of there so it's really i i i so a couple of things first off i just want to say i am i am i wear the stupid crown today remember how we used to award the crown why did i not remember him playing for team canada why did i not remember that i have i have a celebration yeah i have actual memory issues i i cannot yeah because that was december and there was other stuff i guess jeez i'm embarrassed yeah at the world junior the other thing i want to say is jesse to your point about the ncaa does that not present an issue for the chl as a whole and i know this is something we can't we can get into later but like at if the

ncaa competition in the chl competition that used to the thing used to be you didn't draft guys from college you sign them out of whatever like tyler bozak and you might get a tyler bozak who's considered one of the best college free agent signings ever or most like christian hansen who's coffee who still shows up at uh canadian he's still trying to make belief alumni handing out the the jersey and people go okay oh christian hansen 20 games cool but that level of thinking is like 15 years ago thinking it's not 2010 anymore what does the chl offer damn the ncaa offers an education and nil money the chl chl will offer you a stipend i think it's and and some boarding at a stranger's house it's great like their their lore is like this is the best minor hockey in the

in the world right anything below the pro level this is this is where it's at it's still probably the standard yeah yeah and if you're in high school i mean you can't go to the ncaa in high school it's it's a different it's a different animal you know because it's it's not quite the same yeah i just what if you don't like school yo straight up i know what i would have chosen teenagers notably don't always love school if you're connor bedard the ncaa isn't an option for you yes like you got to play in the chl because you're going to be really good when you're 15 16 and 17 and you're not eligible for university that's actually that's a really good point the chl needs to exist in that form for that's why i said it was best minor hockey because

that's what it is you have a bunch of 60 and 17 year olds who aren't eligible for the nc but was ineligible for college hockey like three years before he got drafted something like that yeah that's why they have like we see those picks and it's like oh they're drafting this 15 year old to the chl and that sort of stuff because that's it's a minor it's a minor league for kids it's a big uh resume thing it means a lot to these kids again you got to get in the mind of like a 15 year old here like even if you're a 9th 10th 11th round draft pick your second cousins with the owner's dog or something like uh you get to say i was drafted by the berry colts we used to talk about guys from like the area you know when you're in high school and you're like oh that guy

might get drafted it's a huge deal yeah and it's like a huge deal high school level hockey in the gta like i know it's it's not great like if you're if you're competitive because they take all the talent yeah if you're competitive in in hockey in the gta you go play for your club team you go to the chl like there's no high school level hockey here that's really great adam i always forget did you play on the moat hockey team no i got my ass handed to me in tryouts and i i didn't go back oh i i so when we when we went we had we went up to grade 13 yeah uh which was a thing that used to exist in ontario don't ask it's pretty stupid it's why they get rid of it our grade nine year i think was the last year of grade 13 it was the last year grade 13 and there was a guy who played

junior a or junior b for the st mike's majors and he was an adult guy's 18 19 years old and i was when did i turn 14 i would have turned for 2002 or three no uh 2002 2002 so yeah i would have just been freshly 14 right like a like a couple months into being 14 and so we show up in late august early september whenever these tryouts are you're a boy i'm a boy you're a boy and i'm and this is and i'm i played single a at the time and i came across center with the puck and i heard somebody say i forget his name but it was like kevin or joey or something like that don't do it and i look up and this guy's shoulder is like right here oh and he lit me up in a way that i i i was on the ground like sucking wind and i was it was it was that that you know if you've ever been trucked

before you just just the pain full body laid out missing one of my gloves you said i'll be a theater kid yeah enough i'll be in plays with steve and i was like i was like this guy just this guy just messed me up this guy just completely messed me up and i was like you know what i'll just stick to my single a and and and i'll do other stuff and and i knew i wasn't going to be a great hockey player so yeah i know i never did play for more but i but i did and i and i here's the thing there was a senior team which was the the juniors could make the senior team if you were good enough and a couple of my buddies did so i was i was bold enough to go for the senior team and then i didn't even bother with the junior team because i'm like you could have made it i think i had yeah i had

minimal confidence in those days right so i think that's what it was you would have been on a team with rob quit well rob didn't stick around nobody knows rob give me a second rob got drafted yeah rob got rob went to the reason rob didn't play for our high school team is he got drafted i don't remember what team he got drafted by but he played in the ohl with the windsor spitfires and one of the years that they won the memorial cup he was ryan ellis's defense part no no way yeah it's cool and he won the memorial cup he won the memorial cup nice uh he uh i don't think he ever played in the nhl but he played a bunch of europe uh cup of coffee in the ahl played in the echl he was on the bruins uh minor league affiliate uh if you're looking for him on hockey db right now the reason

you can't find him is his last name is spelled k-w-i-e-t he had i remember this when when he used to play uh rob was a nice guy i remember his hands in like grade seven grade eight were just enormous just like fists full of muscle so anyway let's get into just last point on that when i talk about like high school hockey not mattering it's because things like like st michael's like they're a college where you can go to school collegiate collegiate school but they're in a junior a league like they don't play high school hockey there we have junior a teams here in ontario like the the hockey and the gta is so competitive and well that's that's the guy that guy was a he was wearing a majors jersey the guy that lit me up oh there you go yeah like he had

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So we're going to have to move through things quickly. Steve. But I do think, I do think that we've got, we should start with the Leafs because there's some Leafs news and Brad Treliving spoke to the media. And so we got a little sense of some of the things, although I don't think they said very much. And Jesse, I just sent the first clip to you and the first clip will be Brad Treliving and he's asked, hey, Brad, what do you think your priorities are?

And what I like, I do like Brad Treliving with the media. I have to say that this guy seems pretty affable. He's not cagey. He's not defensive. He doesn't try to like, he doesn't try to be mysterious. He's pretty straightforward. And I think this market needs that.

We've needed that for a while in terms of communication. So here's what Brad for living said. The priorities are this off season when asked. I don't think it's a secret. Our defense is an area that we'd like to, we'd like to see if we can improve, you know, easier said than done.

And so, but that's certainly an area that we've been focused on. Why? Why is it easier said than done? You know, looking at the trade market since we've finished the end of the year, the difficulty, the types of players you're looking for usually aren't available in the trade market. So that's an area right now. We've got, you know, we've got some cap space, but you do look at the holes that we have to fill and it goes quickly. So, you know, we're trying to be as prudent as we can to look at the defense. Wouldn't say look at it first, but look at it first before we, you know, before we commit too many cap dollars anywhere else.

So let's pause that for a second. OK, so so obviously, if you're a Leaf fan, I think you like hearing that. And this was clearly an issue last year as well. When Trillivan came in, I think, you know, you can argue about the merits of spending four million dollars on John Klingberg. And I would agree with that when that signing went through, everybody in this room was like, what? But the idea of John Klingberg being 75 percent of what he was, say, on that run that Dallas took in the covid bubble where he was great, legitimately great. and he was a great puck moving defenseman leading up to that um you know what they need are legit two legitimate top four defensemen they do they do need that and then they desperately need a right-handed shot at least one if you lose lilligren you need at least two right right you

need to add two now you can't do what you did last year these lefties on the right enough stop it no more Ron Hainsey's no more uh TJ Brody's get a right-handed defenseman for the love of God Jesse if you could take us to 522 there's two questions in a row I'd like to watch first off uh the first part of this is going to be Brad Treliving answering a question on whether or not he's open to moving the first round pick that they have this year uh and it's going to lead into a question from our very own SDPN's very own Christopher Johnson you heard of him I have Look at how happy Brad is. And CJ is going to ask about Mitch Marner.

So have a listen to these two questions. Probably not very good if I deal it, but I wouldn't say I'm not opposed to moving it. I would say as I sit here right now, more than likely we're making the pick. You know, we'd certainly look at it if it fits obviously a player that can fill a hole in our lineup right now.

I don't think that's likely. You know, the next step with that, Josh is looking to possibly acquire more draft capital. We'll see. But I think it's probably more than likely right now that we're going to make the pick. There's so much discussion about Mitch Marner and his status with the team. With you able to extend him as of July 1st, do you expect to try to do that? Well, you know what, Chris, I'm not going to speculate on everything. I think it's real clear.

I want to make it real clear. Mitch is a star. You know, Mitch is a superstar in the league and he's been he's been that since he's since he's entered the league and he's been that ever since he put on a Maple Leaf jersey. You know, we said it at the end of the year that, you know, we weren't happy how the year ended. That's not Mitch. You know, that's that. Let's not focus on Mitch as an organization, as a team. We felt we should have gone further than we did. So when that happens, you have to look at everything. And, you know, no different than every other 31 teams that are here. We're going to try to make our team better.

But I'm not going to speculate on that. Like I said, he's a star. And, you know, as we do with any player, we're not going to get into speculation on, you know, of that nature. But certainly he's a special player. No, I wasn't wrapping you up, Jesse. I'm wrapping him up. You said the same thing for us.

So you're not going to speculate. It's fine. Okay. So let's work backwards there. So the Mitch Marner answer is freshest in your mind from what you guys have heard. What do you deduce from that? No, I want to do the draft one. You want to do the draft?

I want to do the draft. Okay, let's do the draft. Because the Mitch one is going to lead to a run in the field. Okay. All right. The draft one is interesting because that press conference was largely a nothing burger. That's interesting. I thought it was.

They want to acquire more draft capital. so who are they going to get on defense who are they going to get acquire uh getting more draft capital well how do you get that you got to exchange goods and or services you gotta trade draft picks so are they going to move down from 23 or you got to trade guys from your prospect system or roster in order to get more draft picks so that was a very interesting little tidbit that brad said i don't have much more to say on that i think it's a good idea they have a first round pick and then they don't pick again until i think the fourth yeah and then they have a few depth picks um this based on the market if you move down six or seven spots to say 30 let's just say

that i don't know who's at 30 but it doesn't matter yeah um uh you probably can get like a first and a second out of that well if you look if you base it on what chicago and new york did look at look at uh recent um you know what the leafs did last year they stayed at 28 and they got easton cowan which is off i think it was the 28th pick like you you nailed it like um you know you gotta have like the leafs confidence in their scouting staff right now is probably very high like they haven't had many picks in recent years but think about them uh eastern cowan is only a year out but he's looked extremely good you got to feel pretty good about the fraser minton pick even if he tops out at something you know like a third line i think when he said i want to require

more draft capital that's the player i thought of fraser i think fraser minton is more valuable to this team as a trade piece than as a than as a player that's interesting because you can find fourth and third line centers i agree with that and 100 and i think a team that's on the upswing might be willing to get a guy like that to be ready for the roster so if you look at like i agree i'm just let's say chicago for instance right or or um uh san jose two bad teams that are looking to get good celebrini will smith or conor bedard you're gonna need some young guys to come up with them right because remember that first penguins cup was crosby malkin and who jordan stall that's right and you need that that type of player he ain't that but yeah he ain't

Yeah, but you know what I'm saying, right? Yeah, Nyes was another second-round pick. Nikolai Grabankin is a fifth-round pick. Like, they've been able to do a lot with very little in recent years. So they're confident in their amateur scouting staff. Good, great. The Marner stuff. uh we want to go out and we want to get d and we want to get you know better at defense you know

i just want to hear it if jesse before we move to the market i do want to hear jesse's side of things too on the draft pick thing on the draft pick i think it's interesting like i don't i don't think it's it's like the like earth shattering you know it's just it's a surprise because you look at the least prospect system and it's pretty bare i don't know about a surprise it's just it's news it's news because you you wonder if they're looking towards the future here because you don't you don't want them to look too far in the future because a good team sell the farm and you rebuild through like interesting trades and and i look at a situation like tampa where it's okay we're going to acquire the young talent through like moving away uh assets instead of like trying to

build through the draft because that takes forever and who knows about draft picks so i think it's fairly interesting that Brad's looking towards hey we might increase our pick load because that's a three four year plan and not an immediate we have Austin Matthews let's improve next season plan well if you are committing to Matthews Marner with an extension and Nylander leaving Tavares out of it you need cheap young players and you don't have any coming you don't have any coming you have one or two like if you're a lee fan you go well eastern california well this guy oh well it's not enough it's not enough to have one or two because then you get a team like dallas who has like five or six and they're gonna kill you or you get a team like boston who just uh

keeps picking these guys who you've never freaking heard of out of nowhere and they make like solid middle six players out of them um to constantly fill their lineup in place of uh you know David or beneath David Pasternak and beneath Brad Marchand and beneath Charlie McAvoy um and and the defenseman the type of defenseman that Brad Treliving is talking about you almost exclusively get them by drafting them yeah almost exclusively in some ways in my in my deepest depths of my heart i'm a little disappointed because i like the vegas mentality where it's like none of their first round draft picks ever in the history of their franchise ever stick around for them you know yeah i like the true we're just gonna go buy the guy who's good now kind of mentality about

draft or building a team so it's it's a little like okay the draft is cool but what if you just went out and got guys well so so let me do my rant then on marner no no it's not on marner okay what's it on so here's what you're gonna get all right because i was like flow charts and lab coat this morning like a like a scientist who is constantly ignored at the beginning of a disaster move okay and i know my reputation adam and i had a good discussion before the show i do have a rant but it's coming later and that one's gonna be loud this one is an indoor voice rant so you have two rants i have two rants this is this is this one is a leaf rant yeah and it is an indoor voice rant okay what's that maddie i have fun with the audio oh yeah i'll turn down steve's mic a little

this is this is an indoor voice rant yeah because it's not emotional it's not emotional in the least it is cold hard fact so can the leafs be a team like vegas can the leafs simply wait a year for john tavaris's contract to expire those are great questions questions worth asking smart leaf fans are asking them let's attempt to answer it last year the cap hits for the Toronto Maple Leafs core four Austin Matthews made $11,640,250 against the cap William Nylander $6,962,366 against the cap John Tavares $11,000,000 flat against the cap Mitch Marner $10,903,000 against the cap for a total of $40,505,616 against the salary cap the salary cap was 83.5 million dollars that is 48.5 percent of the cap well luckily the salary

cap is going up this year okay and it's going up significantly this year it's going up four and a half million dollars that's a lot and it's the most since the covid shutdown that should be great news for the Leafs, except it's not. This upcoming season, because Matthews has an extension kicking in and Nylander has an extension kicking in, Matthews is going from 11.6 something to 13.25. Nylander is going from 6.9 something to 11.5. So here's what you get. 13.25 for Matthews, 11.5 for Nylander, 11 for Tavares, 10.903 for Mitch Marner. That is a total of $46,653,000 wrapped up in four men, four guys. The salary cap will be 88 million. That takes up 53.01% of the cap up from 48 so it's going to be more the core four will cost the leafs more percentage of cap

this year than it did last yes yes adam that is exactly what i'm saying i'll i'll read what i i said in my twitter thread i have more than this available um for today's show i've done more research what i said was i've seen a lot of debate about what the leaf should do in free agency but what you do with the core four dictates everything. Even though the salary cap is going up, the amount of cap space you have to surround those guys goes down this upcoming season by $1,647,384. The Leafs were one round and out this year. This upcoming season, they're going to have less cap space to surround the core four than they did last year but steve injuries but yeah injuries are part of the reason why the leafs were able to even pull off a roster last year

because they just put everybody on ltir right like matt murray's coming off the books and i want to say jake muzzin as well they have something maneuvering to do now here's another thing that some people said well there's a lot of expensive players in the league right now um the Leafs aren't the only team doing this you're right the Leafs are not the only team with a bunch of expensive stars on their roster however their stars are outrageously more money cost outrageously more than any other team that they should be trying to emulate so let's look the Leafs, their core four, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Marner, $46,653,000. Let's look at the team that beat them, the Boston Bruins. Their top four paid guys, Pasternak, McAvoy, Lindholm,

Marchand, $33,375,000. That is a difference of 13.278. That is a difference of more than Austin Matthews extension between the Toronto Maple Leafs and the team that beat them in this past year's playoffs. Well, should the Leafs want to emulate the Bruins? The Bruins were out in the second round. Okay, fine. Let's look at the Florida Panthers. 37 million tied up in their core four of Barkov, Bobrovsky, Kachuk, and Ekblad. That is a difference of 9 million, 653,000. You know what? We've come this far. Let's do all the top four or the final four teams from this year's playoffs. The Oilers, McDavid, Nurse, Dreisaitl, Ekholm. That is their four most expensive guys. $36,250,000. That is a difference of $10.403 million. The New York Rangers, Panarin, Fox, Zibanejad, Truba, but still $37,642,857 against the cap that is a difference of $9,010,143.

The Dallas Stars, Sagan, Ben, Hintz, Haskinen, $36,250,000. You might say, well, I'll take the Leafs core four over that core four. fair enough but it's a difference of 10 million 403 thousand dollars now let's go in uh let's let's round it off by looking at the rest of the teams that have won a stanley cup post-covid the vegas golden knights because they spend money on everyone right there's no they're in on every star yeah they're in on every star here's part of the reason why uh stone eichel uh petrangelo hannifin is actually their core for this upcoming season it's going to cost them 35 million six hundred and fifty thousand how are they able to go out and get everyone well because their

foremost expensive guys are 11 million three thousand dollars less than the leafs core for the colorado that's probably going to change with like the marsh or so deal that he has to sign and that sort of stuff if he signs there like at some point you're going to start losing guys right but And it hasn't happened yet. The Colorado Avalanche, the closest thing we have to the Leafs. Closest thing, believe it or not, in terms of salary structure. Their core four still includes two defensemen, so it's different from the Leafs in that regard, which is a big regard.

Nathan McKinnon, Mikko Rantanen, Kael McCarr, Devon Taves. Would you rather have the Leafs core four or that? I know my answer. $38,100,000. It's the closest thing to the Leafs core four structure, and it's still a difference of $8,553,000 in cap space. Imagine going out in free agency and adding someone who makes over $8.5 million to your team. Like, Landeskog isn't even part of the core four if he were healthy in LTIR. Like, I factored all that in.

And then we look at the Lightning, who went to three straight finals. Kucherov, Point, Vasilevsky, Sergachev, $37 million on the button. You don't say Stamkos in there, too? No, because he doesn't have a top four cap. Top four salary. Yeah, yeah, I'm just going top four. The reason they're able to afford a guy like Stamkos or Hedman is somehow not in their top four. Because they signed it at discounts?

They signed it, yeah. well they signed it cleverly and when you do things cleverly and yeah state tax whatever whatever cry me a river like not even not even just not even is what it is well and there's also ways around the tax in canada we've talked about this many times on ap the point i'm trying to make is is that um it has to do with the players also wanting to keep the team together exactly well and well and good for them look at the results for them and look at the results for the Leafs. $37 million on the button. That is $9,653,000 less than the Leafs core four. So your question, what about Stamkos? What about Hedman? You could bring in Stamkos into that

equation and still have like a million and a half dollars left over afterward. That is the difference between the Lightning and the Leafs. That is the difference between all these teams and the Leafs. Now, very important question. Someone said, this isn't rocket science to me. And I was like, well, then you explain it to me. This isn't rocket science. The Leafs wait a year, let John Tavares walk, extend Marner so that you can keep Matthews, Nylander, Marner. Oh, Stephen, did you bring up the Swappie Doodle Doo? The Swappie Doodle Doo? Yeah, I'm bringing up the Swappie Doodle Doo. Remember back in February? Yeah.

We could do the Swappie Doodle Doo when it looked like the team was going to perform well in the playoffs and I was on the board of bringing everybody, bring back the band. So I'm going to go through two scenarios here, two scenarios with John Tavares. Number one is he walks for nothing, okay? the other is he signs an extension at a way reduced rate with the toronto maple leafs which

is something i would be interested in and people go that solves all your problems right okay well and i'm gonna do this off the top of my head because i've done this so many damn times uh let's say the salary cap goes up an additional four and a half million dollars that's wishful thinking like what does alan think like do you oh no no that's the expectation is it's four million this year and it's four and a half million four and a half million this year and it's almost set in stone that it'll be 93 next year and then alan was saying between 97 and 98 the year after great okay so they're gonna maximize the five percent jump that's allowed in the cba each of the years that the cba is still intact great i hope i hope it is uh 93 million so in my calculations

i factored in 92.5 kiss fm i i factored that in um because it just goes up by the same amount that it did this past year so let's say it's a 92.5 million dollar cap two seasons from now okay and let's say mitch marner signs a contract extension with the toronto maple leafs for 11.5 million dollars identical to william nylander first of all pause for laughter he's not he's gonna i would expect 12 and a half yeah but his camp is gonna want to settle significantly more than that but let's say it goes up to 92 and a half million dollars and he makes 11.5 that would be 13.25 for Matthews 11.5 for Nylander 11.5 for Marner zero for John Tavares the core three then would take up 37.95 roundup 38 percent of the salary cap still a lot still way more than any other team in

this equation that we're talking about unless you factor in the Edmonton Oilers who are going to have to extend Leon Dreisaitl and CJ is openly talking about the prospect of the Oilers potentially trading him right and him being done with that team the nurse contract like sinks the whole equation for that whole thing because then you're going to have to extend Bouchard as well but enough about the Oilers let's just look at it this way you let Tavares walk it's 11 million bucks free. You get 11 million bucks to spend on whatever you want. Well, here's what you're going to spend it on. All right. This upcoming season, you have Joseph wall. You have your starting goaltender. Do you, do you understand how made in the shade this situation is for least

your starting goaltender makes less than league minimum, less than league minimum. He makes under $800,000. It's one of the best goalie contracts in the entire league. Uh, at least for this upcoming season. You can't be more fortunate than that, than under league men. Matthew Nice is also on the last year of his entry-level deal. Both of these young men are going to need a contract extension at the end of this season. Let's say Wold gets $3.8 million per season. That would roughly be in line with what Kevin Weeks was talking about. I think he said between three and a half and four million dollars or was it three and four million dollars three and a half and four so let's say 3.8 let's say wool is making 800 grand he's making a little less than that but

just for the sake of math 3.8 out of your 11 million dollars there goes three now you're left with eight matthew nyes makes 925 grand against the cap let's say he makes he has a really good season this year let's really really undershoot it let's really undershoot it and let's say he gets 2.95 he gets he let's say he gets a two million dollar raise that's it i think he gets that raise if he has a bad season i know i know okay but i'm all right i'm going everything is rosy and amazing okay he gets a two million dollar raise you add 11 million dollars to spend you lost three of it from the joseph wool extension now you've lost another two from matthew nice you have six million dollars left well you can just bring john tavaris back at six million dollars

let's say john tavaris is willing to do that guess what you have the exact same team you have added nothing you haven't improved a lick um your older players have gotten older your younger players have gotten older call it a break even um matthews is still in his prime neil anders still in his prime marner still in his prime um or if you simply let john tavaris walk you have about six million dollars remaining optimistically to spend on a second line center which is roughly what they cost anyway if not more oh by that time it'll be more by that time it'll probably be more so oh I'll be let John Tavares walk what is Chandler Stevenson get this offseason exactly something like that like oh just let John Tavares walk people aren't like they're just saying that

and throwing it over their shoulder uh guys it's wrong it's not a good plan it doesn't work you're acting like that is the only thing that's going to happen the only thing that's going to happen is John Tavares's contract is simply going to expire and there are going to be no other dishes that uh issues to handle Nick Robertson scored 15 goals playing like five seconds last year what's he going to get as a restricted free agent you know they did they do talk about that and later on the press conference and and all Brad says is nothing to report which means they're asking too much and the Leafs are uh yeah offering too little right okay and they're going to go out and they're going to get Matt Roy and they're

going to get Chris Tanev in free agency that's awesome who the heck's playing in Max Domi and Tyler Bertuzzi spot yeah oh oh gee whack-a-mole whack-a-mole that's eight and a half million bucks right there you're gonna be able to get Tanev and Roy done for eight and a half million bucks no unless you sign Tanev to like a ridiculously long deal that you know you're gonna LTIR an absurdly long deal that even that might not be enough to completely um uh make it even so when i talk about trading marner it's not about trading marner you can go ahead and trade austin matthews go ahead do it go ahead and trade william neil andrew good whatever is the case whatever you decide on this can't continue you can't do this anymore

you know someone said emotionally and that's fine if the leafs win next year i you know i better not see you celebrating i'm a leafs fan i want them to succeed whether they trade someone out of the core four or they bring them back uh i'll be cheering for them i'll be hoping that they do well for the hockey team that i cheer for there's no evidence there's no track record whatsoever to suggest that's going to happen there's no evidence i think people are trying to paint you into a corner to be like a pollyanna where you're you're a fan um but you never criticize and i think some fans believe that you don't criticize teams and i think i think that's completely erroneous you're asking me to stick my head in the sand yeah you're asking me to

completely uh stick my head in the sand and ignore all the problems that this team is dealing i also want to point out something okay not to take away from your point but to reinforce your point and i don't know if you guys noticed this jesse when steve was going through all the core fours on all these teams what what was different about the leafs core four other than the money can you pick it out i know uh the other teams have been wildly more successful yes number one why number two and this will be this will it's a little unfair that i'm throwing this at you but i want why have they been more successful yeah i don't know well i think that two or more of the core four have been defenseman oh yeah yeah every single every single one of those teams had a brilliant defenseman at

least one that's why like i've always been on the bandwagon of if mitch marner's 11 million dollars was for a defenseman this team would be so much better guys no team is built this way yeah what if that 11 million dollars was a right-handed defenseman that'd be cool what if it was two yeah you get two pretty good ones now i want to i want kale mccarr no team okay fair no team or evan bouchard same level no team has been built this way in the past no team is built this way now no team will be built this way going forward except for the leafs it shouldn't be a controversial take that this is a poor choice for a way to build your team What say you, Steve Dangle, to the detractors who say Mitch Marner has another level to go to and that he will end up being a great playoff performer?

Show your work. Show your work. There's no evidence to back it up. But what if one day he takes another? What if next season he takes another step? Show your work. He's 27. Hey, like Ken Holland did not go to the Edmonton Oilers

when he was getting ready to offer Zach Hyman $5.5 million. He didn't go, you know what? He's going to score 70 goals between the regular season and playoff. He didn't know. He didn't know. What you're asking me to do is just take a blind leap of faith, and I'm not going to do that. It's like saying Matthews.

Forget Marner. Leave Marner out of the equation. matthews is going to score a goal a game next year in the playoffs knee lander's going to score a goal a game one of these guys is going to go on a mcdavid 40 plus point run there's no evidence to suggest that's coming down the pipeline and run a billion dollar hockey team on blind faith yeah isn't a good way to run your operation like guys all we need is for pontus holmberg to chip in like 10 playoff goals next year and we're fine what are you talking about well and there's no evidence to suggest that's even sort of in the realm of possibility there's also those that

will say especially as it comes to Marner that hey this guy is the Leafs active leading point getter in the playoffs over the last decade or whatever okay and that's true yes but all of those points happened in games one through four trade Austin then right and it's also he's the best one what's the best one that's what the evidence does trade austin what did it get you because what okay so yes he is that and then what did that get us one round got us to game seven a bunch of times like that that wasn't successful yes he did that and then it led to the team not being good it's not a personal vendetta against this player it's a vendetta against the structure It is legitimate, emotionalist, cold, logical criticism of a structure that doesn't work, hasn't worked, and likely won't work.

If Marner made $8 million, this is entirely a different conversation. It's a moot point. Yeah. No, it would still be relevant. They would still be the most expensive team by like $5.5 million. I think Mitch at $8 million is a completely different conversation. I agree. it is but it would still be a it would still be a similar issue sure it'd be less of an issue when

tavaris leaves though yes yes absolutely and it goes back to the carlo conversation carlo koliakovo and i i feel i i feel a little bad doing this because carlo's a really good guy but it was it when he put out don't i'm on the i'm on the marner uh i'm on the marner staying bandwagon and uh uh you know don't you think it would change uh everybody's impression of this guy if he was making under $10 million. And Steve said, well, can I answer that? Well, of course it would. And it would.

I texted him the day we recorded that. I'm like, we have a show coming out. It's going to sound like I'm calling you stupid. Yeah. And I'm not. Well, you know what? If we ever have Carlo on, what I will ask him is, why would you even ask that question?

You know the answer to that. Everybody knows the answer to that. And you know that that's not realistic. So what are we talking about? It's the same situation with a player like Darnell Nurse. Darnell Nurse is a great defenseman, just not at $9.25 million. I'll take him on my team.

Darnell Nurse is a great, I don't know, six if you add him at six million bucks and he was your second right shot or left shot whatever the hell he is on on yeah you're fine there's no complaints it's just he makes too much and for the level because because everybody has to exist in a situation where you have a finite number of dollars to spend on your roster it matters what the guy makes and his performance there's out of the all the players that i named on those lists there's two players that stick out like a sore thumb nurse is one of them at 9.25 and jacob truba at eight uh is the other and cj chris johnston said on the chris johnston show uh jacob truba's on his trade board yeah they

they dropped the updated one in the athletic and he's up there it just makes sense yes of course yes because the salary gap exists because the rangers look at this and go well this guy's not pulling his weight the newest cj show if you haven't heard it it is an absolute treasure trove of news and information julian just tees up every big name in the league and cj's got a little source on all of them and it gives you a good little tidbit it's fantastic go listen to that i uh oh sorry did you want to say there's no logical argument for keeping this core together even if you trade marner and lose the deal there's no logical reason to continue down this path it's okay if they're your favorite player and you don't want them dealt i i get it

you're that's a that's a different conversation yeah it's a different conversation i understand um doesn't make sense like you could argue like okay so i've been railing against um the leaf should have traded marner before his no move kicked in they didn't do that they already didn't do that so the more recent sacrifice that they should have made no one's going to want to hear this should have traded William Nylander at the height of his value hmm I don't want Nylander to be traded you can't do this so you can't continue the structure you can't and I don't I've been on the bandwagon of I don't think they will now this is it comes with an obvious caveat if if the deal isn't out there this is the easy switch for the Leafs is they can

go and they can talk to Marner's camp and they can talk to other teams but if there's no deal out there and they're like well it would make us worse and we wouldn't get anything for him I can understand a scenario where they keep him I get that that's the only scenario where it's acceptable but that will still be their fault yeah yes does that make sense no matter I think he's moving but i still think if they do keep them that is a failure of management there's there's there's two there's two things here right there's there's the revisionist criticism where you go you should have done this you should have done that you should have done that and then there's okay you've already made those mistakes so what do you do now right and your options appear to be trade them for

not a good deal or lose them for nothing so i want to um if you're not if you're not qualified to spend the cap space that you're gonna get by losing mitch marner um if you're not qualified to adequately replace him through free agency or trade you're in the wrong business see i think brad is well i think this is what i'm saying i'll give you two trades that i that i i want to throw out there number one and everybody rails against this now uh the fit isn't there but john the jonathan huberto trade people people lauded him at the time wieger and huberto for kachuk wow that was a they gave brad the crown that summer it didn't look as bad as it is right and i think part of that is how the flames implemented that system and how the coach and there's a bunch

of other things the coach was brutal he was terrible and then you agree to pay a guy 10 and a half million you should probably move heaven and earth to accommodate him and they didn't do that the second thing yeah because they didn't look out for who's going to put the puck in the net right so the second thing is people forget that this is the same general manager who once had to trade dougie hamilton for who who do you get uh elias lindholm and noah hannifin 40 goal scorer elias lindholm and uh uh number one defenseman noah hannifin you know what not bad dougie hamilton's pretty good that's that's brad for living beyond being on the other end of it yes or actually no it's not it's him he basically tried to replicate that deal with

the chuck deal it just didn't now it didn't work out did if did a few things not work out the monaghan thing that you know not keeping to foley i think was a mistake on their part i love to foley living not also draft adam fox uh yes yes and he didn't want to play in calgary so he had to trade him to carolina didn't carolina and then he wouldn't play in carolina even in carolina so he went to adam fox was on three teams before his first nhl game yeah and then yeah because then he traded adam fog and that's how he got dougie hamilton right yes uh fox was involved in the deal and so it makes the deal look so so much worse but it it completely ignores context yeah adam fox said i will never play for you which yeah so what are you gonna do i mean you

don't have a whole hell of a lot of uh uh what's it leverage something i want to keep an eye on and and you know this this writer in particular doesn't get enough credit in the city of toronto uh but anthony petrelli i think is one of the best leafs reporters out there he broke the he broke the tavara sign he broke the tavara signing and and that was a long time ago now and he's been great ever since and he said something really interesting in his column today and i you know maple leaf's hot stove uh we have no affiliation but we are big fans of them they're great guys um and i did want to i wanted to throw this out there last summer when brad treliving talked about william neil anders penning unrestricted free agency he sang a very different

tune than he has with marner now this is after the press conference yesterday now it was 20 minutes ago that you heard the clip that's not a cheap shot i'm just saying it was but if you remember brad treliving's like listen mitch is a star blah blah blah right and there's been a lot of noise around him but he's a star mitch knows how i feel about him as a player is what he says here's what brad said last summer about william kneelander okay you work the process if there's nothing out there to make the team better it doesn't make sense to make a trade and just stand up there and say hurrah i made a trade our focus when you talk about willie is strictly to get him signed you are always talking to people that is the job the job of the manager is to know a what is going

on in the league and b are the avenues to make your team better regardless of are there avenues to make your team better regardless of who it is. The priority is to sign the player and to always have your ears open for whether there are opportunities to make the team better. And then Petrelli,

those are Petrelli quotes. And then management was clear the entire time that they wanted to keep Nylander and they eventually locked him up to maximum term. Marner has not received anything remotely resembling

that kind of endorsement. Even in Treleving's most recent pre-draft availability, which we just played, he made it clear that Marner is a star, But at no point did he vocally support retaining and or extending him as he did Nylander. And last year when we were talking about this, I can remember going, one of them's got to go. You can't have both.

And we were thinking that going into the draft, one of them would because neither had trade protection. And then, of course, July 1st hit and they both got trade protection, I guess. And then we were like, I guess we're going with this. I mean, Marner's no trade kicking in should have been the nail in the coffin for Nylander. You can't do this. i think neilander had trade protection at that on july 1st as well maybe i'm not sure yeah but well now he had trade protection at 6.9 now he's got trade protection at 11.5 which the 11.5 is the trade protection yeah who's taking him on i don't think anybody wants to trade neil andrew

though no and i think that they're i agree but what i'm saying is you no matter what names are in there you can't do that they would be foolish to give marner away for nothing although i will make the argument that the cap space is worth worth more than than than gold it's worth more than a first round pick it's worth everything that cap space that relief from that cap space whether it's the full 11 million or it's half of it is so worth it but i can understand where they've backed themselves into a corner and this guy doesn't move i still however think based on what i just saw from bradshaw living that this player is going and it's a great point from Anthony Petrelli and I and I so you know I I think that the Leafs are aware of the situation

that they're in and and I won't I will say this when this was initially proposed half a decade ago uh there were a lot of people who were against it I was completely for it because it's like what the hell try but what I am sick of watching is trying the Leafs having these guys who you know are capable of x especially in the postseason and trying to surround them with guys on ilia bushkin yeah and and you get the occasional diamond in the rough you get your simone ben was yeah you get your michael buntings you get like you do have some really great success stories there but how about a team that's more evenly balanced and that but you have like two seconds with these guys like you have maximum like two seasons with these guys and they're gone like if they do well bunting

this was always going to happen he he's brilliant smart guy signs with the leaf signs with his childhood team for two years i'm going to play in their top six for two years i'm going to put up like 60 50 points whatever i'm going to go sign somewhere for millions of dollars instead of playing on the coyotes yeah whatever dude like i don't think he's regretting that decision yep ilya mikhayev just had a rocket tied to him so that they could send him to chicago but he was great in toronto he did so damn well in toronto that he earned himself a contract that was too big in vancouver zach hyman like well and you're and and steve's talking about in this and it's not a rant it's more of a discussion point yeah it's a rant where you'd have to be loud yeah um you're

talking about what it's going to take to retain these players and how it will literally chew up the excess cap you're forgetting that simone benoit is going to make double this year that he did last year it's only 1.35 million yep but by the way if timothy lilligran is asking for anything more than that he's out of his mind what was he 1.4 yeah he should be less than that he should be less than benoit in my mind um i look at a guy like jake mccabe who the leafs apparently love i actually like jake mccabe a lot and i go even if he makes because he's making four million two by toronto two by chicago right so if he makes a million more two million more on his ufa years because he's coming up as a ufa at the end of this year that is significant

Jake McCabe is extraordinarily rare. Even this situation, there's a lot of things that are going to be very difficult to repeat. How many players in the NHL have been traded to a team, 50% salary retention for multiple years? Less than a dozen? And it took a unique situation in Chicago for that to happen, which was the team was like, we're blowing it, blowing the doors off. This is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like the Leafs got three seasons. Yep. Parts of three seasons of Jake McCabe at $2 million. You're going to have to make that happen again. And by the way, what it costs to make that happen was a first round pick. so all these assets that you need to replenish this lineup um you either gotta luck out in free agency like which requires a pitch process it requires outbidding teams it requires scouting teams better than other teams um or you draft guys but oh you don't have any draft picks because you keep trading them for these unicorn situations because of your salary structure with your team the Leafs are just constantly playing whack-a-mole and chasing this uncatchable dream and the picks that you are throwing out the door that they could throw out the door this trade deadline for

Bush and Edmondson came out yesterday that they're both going to go to free agency because the Leafs are not going to be able to retain them because they're probably going to make too much cool that got you like 20 games of each maybe less Jesse and just spend them again I guess like it's this vicious cycle and at the end of Matthews, Marner and Nylander's prime when they have

hopefully accomplished something but all evidence says probably not you're going to have no one to replace them either. It's dark. Steve, do you care to take on a challenge? Go for it. You spent like half an hour talking about

Leafs and Mitch Marner and all that fun stuff but well i'm not hearing a criticism like like i've laid it out um that's it's that's it i think it's obvious i think it's obvious it's obvious it's it's um frustrating that uh people don't see what i see it's it's not that uh i'm not open to other points of view it's that no one has offered an adequate one jess okay is it can i can i go now okay um so are you up for a challenge yes all right so you spent about half an hour talking about why the least need to move on from mitch marner maddie could you throw the timer in the bottom corner of steve solo so oh boy there you go okay let's get there all right so steve one minute and 56 seconds is on the clock because

you can't condense what you said for half an hour we can't chop that up and throw it on the socials or anything it's too much yeah i get that so i'm giving you a challenge here one minute and 56 seconds is how many seconds uh 120 116 116 seconds which contains mitch marner's number You suck. That's awesome. That's funny. That's funny. Steve Dangle.

Yes. I am giving you 116 seconds to explain to the people that will only see this clip and not listen to the half an hour of you talk about why they should make this move. Explain to the people who will just watch the 116 Mitch Marner seconds why it is crucial for the Leafs to move on from this player. Three, two, one timer started. The argument against the Leafs keeping their core four forwards together is not emotional. It is not a vendetta against a certain player. It is cold, hard fact. It is based on logic and it is based in numbers.

The Toronto Maple Leafs' core four this upcoming season will make $46,653,000. The Bruins, Panthers, Oilers, Rangers, Stars, Vegas Golden Knights, Avalanche, and Tampa Bay Lightning. That list of teams encompasses the team that beat the Leafs in last year's playoffs, all four teams that made it to the Final Four this year, and every Stanley Cup champion in the post-COVID era. The team closest to them in terms of their most expensive four players is the Colorado Avalanche, who still their core four of Nathan McKinnon, Miko Rantanen, Kale McCarr, and Devon Taves. Their core four is $8,553,000 less than what the Leafs are spending. The argument that lots of other teams do this is false. It is not true.

No other team does this. And the teams that are even within a ballpark region of the Toronto Maple Leafs do not do this with four forwards. None of those teams that I mentioned do it with four forwards. The plan to just let John Tavares walk at the end of this year, that's $11 million coming off the salary cap. That's not a plan. It's not a plan. $11 million comes off the books, wipe your hands clean of it let's say Mitch Marner extends for 11.5 that's what William Nylander got he's probably not it's going to be more than that let's say it's 11.5 Joseph Wohl needs a contract extension Matthew Nyes needs a contract extension after next season and you're still going to need a

second line center it all gets eaten up the core four cannot stay together if they want to win hey that's really loud that was a really loud hot key jesse uh now there it is now jesse do you still have the leafs press conference up uh i can yeah what time do you i want you to go to 8 47 because there was a conversation kevin weeks reported that there is a deal in place now he can't sign this until july 1st and technically speaking they're not even supposed to be talking about it till july 1st no and they never they never would they never would um there was a rumor about joseph wool uh earlier this week from kevin weeks and i think what's notable about joseph wool is the extension is supposed to be three to four years at three and a half to four million dollars

um it's notable that not a single other insider corroborated that it is and i checked and from what is being said no one else can confirm it wait so he might have jumped the gun so potential jumping up the gun weeksy you said weeksy might have jumped i thought you said steve might have i was like hey i didn't see i said weeksy might have jumped the gun but here's what brad true living had to say about it because i think it's one of those things that it's rare to get one insider saying something and none of the others even tweet about it yeah like um you know like a major league three on three league let's play the clip you're you weren't wrong just early we've got a we've got we feel we got a real good goalie and i talked about at the end of the year

like a really good goalie um we also talked at the end of the year about you know he's had some you know he's had some unfortunate instances of getting injured now you study that is there is there a pattern you know is this and again now touch wood you know sometimes with with goaltenders i look at it a little bit is it hips is it groins you know he's had some he's had some things that just have happened right that that sometimes you get injured so um certainly we want to we want to help them stay upright um but no question we've got a i don't see an internal candidate right now that we're going to um promote uh with joe so that's you know whether that be the trademark whether that be through free agency we've we've got a we've certainly got to look

to the goaltending. Okay, let's pause it there. Now, this is a player who has started 34 games. Is that regular season and playoffs? No, that's just regular season. Okay. Playoffs actually surprisingly high.

He started four games in the playoffs, but he's played seven. He has played in 36 NHL games. Joe Wohl's 24 years old. People forget this. Sorry, he's not 24. He's 20. He's going to be 26

by the time the season starts. He's a 2016 draft pick. No wonder people forget that he's 24. Because he's not. Because that was two years ago. That's why they forgot. That's why they forgot. Now, this guy's numbers are great.

Even last year where his numbers dipped down, 276 goals against average and a 9-12 save percentage. But at 36 games played in, 34 started. His entire career to this point encapsulates a pretty good backup goaltender's stats over one season and i understand there have been injuries yeah i listen i was the one saying after seven games last year this is the goalie of the future i think that he is but i have a real problem and it goes back to your cap thing i have a real problem signing this guy before he's made them do it because if and and you remember brad for

living uh with keith pelly and brendan shanahan and and brad said listen we got to find ways to keep this guy healthy is it training is it this is it that at the end of the day um whatever it is they could re-sign him if this report is true from kevin and i have no reason to believe it's not uh if this is true this is a player that's played 34 career games this is a player that could go into camp, strain a hamstring or a groin, and we don't see him till December. Or just not be very good.

And I don't understand. I don't think that's going to happen. I think he is good. What would be the rush here? Why can't you wait till November? You waited till December for Nylander. Adam, it sounds like... Make them pay you.

It sounds like an obsession. Everything comes back to the core four. the Leafs can't afford like literally can't afford a scenario where Joseph Wohl is a six million dollar goal comes into this season is a top 10 goalie in the league up until Christmas and uh then they got to pay him like seven not seven that'd be too high but like five six million when you have a salary structure like the Toronto Maple Leafs you have to take risks you have to take risks and hope this guy's a unicorn you're basically trying to fool the kid um like you're giving him uh security um hey you know how you're injured all the time yeah we're gonna give you

way too much money for the amount of games you've played like a preposterous amount of money for the amount of games you played but we think you're gonna be good but it's in the back of our mind and i know it's in the back of your mind that you're hurt a lot so we're gonna give you probably less than you would earn at the end of this season if it's a good one but a lot more than you would earn at the end of the season if you end up getting hurt again so this is my issue with that when when when uh i almost called him sergey samson off uh when sammy got the leafs to the second round when sammy was non-tendered by the washington capitals then becomes the starter over matt murray oh my god what a bleak time i don't even think we realized sammy becomes the starter

over matt murray has a banger year backstops them through the tampa bay lightning who were better than the leafs in four or five games they were better than the least most of that series six six games excuse me yeah they were better than four i think the least were better the better team two with two games in that series yeah they go back in like one game yeah yeah no you go back can you look game six especially sammy was the number one star of that game absolutely yep and then he gets injured in the second round the leafs extend him one year and they pay him how much 3.5 3.55 oh 3.55 after going to arbitrate why after going to arbitration why after after getting the leafs to the second round for the first time in 19 years the leafs only had to pay sammy 355

why are we going to extend this goalie who and and again he was great in the playoffs he was great in the playoffs against the panthers he was great in boston he was great when sammy was awful last year unplayable last year and then what happened wall got injured once in the regular season when he was doing well came back wasn't great and then somehow drew in in the playoffs and was fantastic again until what he got injured what are we doing you're gonna pay him more than you paid sammy sammy got you to the second round and i'm not saying they should bring back sammy i'm just saying that number is completely out of whack and the best comparable i can give is jake sanderson and jake sanderson's big deal last year which we all freaking laughed at

jake jake had a really good year in in ottawa he's one of the only players on that roster with a plus on those plus minus that was a terrible team he played two more minutes a game he scored double digit goals and and that team was atrocious they couldn't score they couldn't move the puck they couldn't do anything the jake sanderson bet is understandable and they don't have a bazillion dollars at the top end of their cap what are we doing there are i love joseph wool i want him to be the starter yeah earn it there are guys who well no adam no because uh starting okay what do you think joseph wool could be i think he could be a top 10 goaltender in the league that's how i feel about Joseph Wohl. I am that confident in this guy.

I think he can be a starting goaltender. The Toronto Maple Leafs think he can be a starting goaltender. He thinks he can be a starting goaltender. Starting goaltenders don't make the amount of money that you want him to make. That's why you lock him up now. But he's not yet. He's not. Okay. You aren't until

you are. But you pay him three or four million dollars now because if he actually gets to where you and he and everyone seems to think he could get to, he's going to make more. he look at like you're you're looking at sanderson and kaprizov is another guy who like played no games and then got this huge extension you got to look at goalies and like

kaprizov had a oh i know banger i know i know i know that's why forwards don't work here so i'm thinking like show me a goalie that this has ever worked for well the only one i can think of is like jordan bennington who played like no games but also uh won a stanley cup but he got a lot more he got i think it's like 5.6 and has been iffy and so so ever since it's weird he's been unusable and like elite yeah it sort of uh depends yeah um on how he's feeling or how many fights he's tried to start uh the leafs have to take this risk or feel like they have to take this risk because of the dumb ass donkey complexion of their salary cap if joe wool plays 34 games again next year even if his numbers are the same something terrible has gone wrong yeah and that is he's

gotten injured and missed 20 yep and if that's the case that contract's a disaster yep if that continues if that's the case then the contract doesn't matter because he'll be on ltir and get the cap space back i suppose am i the only one who doesn't think like if those weeks is extension what did he between 3.5 and 4 million and if it's between three and four years let's say it's 3.5 million dollars or even like four million i don't think that it's that much it's a good contract i just people are getting lost in the game i cannot stand it's a good contract these guys not earn it first please i have no problem with kneelander i have no problem with kneelander earning the money he got he earned it yeah he earned i agree and he earned it on the first contract and people

forget like you know when we when the leaf sign mitch marty's coming off a 94 point season when the leaf sign matthews is coming off a 60 goal season whatever like i get it i get it yeah but but like we need to earn this here we need to earn this here's what i'm i'm gonna make some assumptions the educated guess is here so samsonov signs for 3.55 after going to salary arbitration you go well he signed for that after getting the Leafs to the second round and Sammy probably went what the hell I got you to the second round and what the Leafs probably did was go yeah but the majority of your track record before joining us sucked ass and we made you good we want to bring you back but we made you good you can extrapolate that maybe that hurt his confidence going forward

after that arbitration hearing and that affected the first three, four months of his season. I don't think it was that. I don't know. Alan and I talked about arbitration. By the way, it's not like that anymore.

It's not like that anymore? It's not. It's not combative at all. They've stopped doing that. Okay. Yeah, Alan has a really good take on arbitration in one of our episodes. Well, either way,

Samsonov's problem was he had a track record. Yeah, of being up and down. Mostly down. And we've got a goalie who's a track record of being injured. Yeah, but... You know, when I'm in net, when I'm in net.

He's great. I love Wool. Wool also has leverage. Yeah. Who you got? Because Treliving just said, we got nobody. He showed his hand. But I think Hildeby is going to be an NHL goalie.

I think Artur Aktymov is going to be an NHL goalie. They're not yet. They're not yet. Those guys are five years younger than Wool. Four or five years younger than Wool. They don't have anyone coming up immediately. uh they literally don't have anyone else they have to sign free agents wool has so much leverage here the cons are yeah i get hurt sometimes the pros are i'm really good and you have no one else

so pony up or i can wait and charge you more the leafs have put themselves in a position of perpetual extortion and it's going to be really difficult for them to win with the way things i think i make a really good point if joseph wall gets paid four million dollars currently he would be the 25th highest goaltender in the national hockey league it's not a disaster he'd be tied with jonas corposalo and jake ottinger who also make four million dollars wow so you know maybe we just got to adjust our expectations and not everyone can be signed to the igor shisterkin contract which like can you can you like put an agent in prison for signing a contract like you probably ought to be able if you tell me going into the 25 26 season that'd be next season right

after this yeah that that fallings when his rfa deal kicks in like this new one that he's going to sign uh joseph wallace is the 25th highest goaltender in the national hockey league i'd say sounds about right and then i'm probably going to go down probably yeah because guys are going to get signed in between that like all the free agent deals that'll be signed this offseason and next offseason and with the cap going up i'd be like 25th highest paid goaltender is about the right area joseph wall should be okay i adam's reservations are valid yeah they are but i have no i'm stupid just read the comments yeah oh no no no your reservation i understand where you're coming from where like he's proven nothing yeah like but why are the Leafs so eager to give out

contracts to guys who have proven nothing that's that's a hundred percent a thing that happens in Toronto very often yeah it's like it's not that they've proven nothing but Marner Matthews Nylander and Tavares when they signed their contracts what did they what had they done they'd won nothing right they'd won nothing yep that's a vicious real fact and what's still the case they've won nothing listen i'm struggling with this it's like a movie with a really good trailer that's joseph wall right now listen the movie might suck damn the trailer looks good and the trailer is gonna make it looks great the trailer makes me want to watch the movie yeah okay yeah outside of outside of the context of him not really having accomplished anything

in the National Hockey League. I think where he would slot in would be correct in what we've seen in terms of his playoff performance when he's been healthy. It's been good. Like that, that's okay.

And it's also, they haven't done this yet. Yeah. You know what, Jesse? And you know what? Like who knows what it actually comes in? This is what,

as you started this conversation is like no other inside has corroborated his report, Kevin Weeks's. So we'll see what it actually comes out. Now, if the Leafs could score anything, And they were dummied by the Bruins on that side of it.

And I understand that Nylander had his head thing. I understand Matthews was hurt or sick. Injuries happen. Injuries happen. But let me just run you through the three games, but two that he started. This is what's so tantalizing about this player. I know.

Do you know what Wolfe's stats were when he was playing? He probably made 76 out of 78 saves. he uh uh he i'll just give you the the stat two wins right three games goals against average of a 086 save percentage of a 964 in the play wow so even with the leafs and their absolute anemic trash power play their bullshit five on five their terrible zone entries should be good they're all their money spent four guys they're they're absolute like if you go back and you watch those games and i i do agree to do nothing burger just crap when it comes to the offensive side which is so embarrassing because that's where all their money is they should they still could have

won that series if they got numbers like that from the goaltender and how good does your defense really need to be if your goal just won't let anything in yeah just simply won't and maybe that's the defenseman up that's the defensive upgrade that they're looking for so the problem is the forwards extend all of them and add more yes exactly morgan riley play with mailman now we're gonna keep moving here uh ken holland ken holland told the oilers today that he's not gonna be back this is a report from darren dreger ken holland has officially told the oilers uh that he will not return to the team next season in any capacity and while holland is now free to talk to other teams he has not yet done so and is expected to take some time before deciding on what his next

move will be now what is surprising about this is a it was ken holland who told the oilers which okay sure maybe but secondly his his market value is arguably up his team just lost the stanley cup by a goal in game seven i feel like i was the only person still under the impression that he was going to retire at the end of the year i thought going into this like i thought like in like december we talked about like oh yeah i can't hold it's gonna be out we kind of did and then that kind of fell by the wayside and still people were like oh is he coming back i was like i thought we all decided he was done my mandela effect is this was always the plan yeah so like yeah didn't they say this yeah i thought this was always the plan when jeff jackson took over

we're all like okay so ken holland's moving on because he's old and done and maybe i think the the report where it's he told them that he's not coming back he's moving on because they probably gave him one of the premier slots that they have in the edmonton oralist organization where it's like hey you've worked here yeah here's an advisory role you get to be in the owner's box you get to sit in the box with all the other guys and i assume they said ken holland we got a seat here it has it's pretty pretty it's next to the gretzky one it's over there since you did so much good for the organization and you can just be an oiler for life and here's your special advisor role and he just said i'll just sit at home for a little bit so i play a game i'm like i'm like

okay it's not that crazy that he's moving on he just didn't want the advisor role one more news thing i just want to get out before you want to play it's just a quick thing okay quick thing how old is he on november 10th of this upcoming year i have no idea 68 he's 68 now okay he will be turning 69 oh wow just hockey guys don't retire no no but yeah this was like ken holland's retirement party but he's never gonna really retire because he works in hockey and you can working talkie until they put you in a casket. Isn't Cliff Fletcher still with the Leafs? He was old

when I was a boy. He had a full head of white hair when I was a little boy. Like advisor. You know, it's just one of those funny roles where they give you... Remember Paul McLean too? Yes. He's been an old man for the entirety of my life. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm 36.

I am 36. He was old when he was the GM of the Flames. Lou's still going. he's been old since we've been alive is cliff fletcher still i'm looking at the front office list of the toronto maple east right now and i can't find cliff fletcher so it looks like he's not he's not like in the ticketing oh here we go it's any more no that's marley's no it looks like cliff fletcher is officially not another mandela effect gosh darn it well they never they should have announced his retirement director of goaltending and is

Curtis McElhinney I forgot about that yeah let's go how you doing he's a pretty good backup Amy uh uh interestingly uh there was a report out there from Scotty Upshaw that Ken Holland was going to the Blackhawks checked in on this was told fake news at least for the moment so there you go now it doesn't mean by the way that that's not happening because because it could be that they've offered him a contract and he's thinking about it he said he'll take significant time he won't uh he'll be signed in the next week or two i don't know uh no for sure he will i do know like you guys listen listen let's be honest yes we love doing this show right let's lie no no i want i want to we love doing this show yes do any of us harbor expectations

that we will still be doing this show at 70 uh fuck no right absolutely not so the reason that i believe ken holland will sign in the next couple of weeks is because these guys cannot you'll you'll you will pry them from the league dead lou's gonna die in a position somewhere and that will be the way to go out for him that's what he's that's that's lou will die and in in a position and and it will be sad and he will be honored and all of those things but like these guys once they're in they're like i'm staying in i guess it's a pretty wicked job this is this is and i love our job this is what i said about don cherry like people were talking about when he got fired i'm like there were only ever two options is uh he he was gonna die or get

fired he was never quitting no he was never going to quit so yeah no this was the way it was always going to end steve yes to add to this conversation we have a correction oh cliff fletcher is still with the Toronto Maple Leafs. I figured they would have announced it. I knew it! At 88 years old. That's insane! Cliff Fletcher is still a senior advisor

with the Toronto Maple Leafs. This is a man who was with, this is from Editor in Leaf, who wrote this last summer as Bradshaw Living came to the organization. Cliff Fletcher is going to be there to senior advise for him. That's how he's currently doing it.

So yeah, this is a man who was with the franchise as far as back as 1991 as the team's chief operating officer president and general manager and he's still there he was born August 16th 1935 I'm going to look up

August 16th 1935 and see what pops up what happened no he wasn't there for World War World War no nobody is alive that was there for World War 1 nobody is alive World War 2

world war ii yes yeah yeah i said that recently too what was i talking about he's still working oh i was talking about the the uh the comeback the uh oh three comeback that the um the leafs had over the red wings because some of the players were overseas in world war ii were they not oh cliff fletcher and was seven when that happened no no six and a half when the leafs came back from a three nothing deficit against he was there he was there where did cliff grow up i want to no i assume toronto i hope so montreal oh okay like his i can't even read the this day in histories because like i don't know any of the names involved like cliff fletcher's parents would have struggled through the great depression probably yes yeah like yes like that's crazy that

he's still 88 so this is what i'm saying like it must be sick to work in the nhl because none of these guys fucking want to go they're all like no keep me please this week ken holland will get a new contract this week is the 20-year anniversary from when cliff fletcher was inducted into the hockey hall of fame yo there's gotta be some kind of record he was he was inducted in 2004 wow so this is because they just did the hall of fame announcement so it'd be 20 years ago i i love it i love it i love it okay okay sorry so i couldn't find anything from august 16th 1935 so it just what happened in 1935 february 26 so this was a few months before cliff lefcher was born okay radar radio detection and ranging first demonstrated by robert watson watts

and arnold wilkins at daventry england yes that uh radar yeah what is what does that mean means radar bouncing sound off moving objects like ship stuff like how bad well actually they started they didn't start it on ships from what i understand they started it off the british coast it's what won them the battle of britain uh they could see the planes coming adolf hitler on march 16th orders german rearmament in violation of the treaty of versailles not read hitler facts i don't that was a big one july 30th that's a huge penguin uh first penguin book is published starting the paperback revolution hey are you holy shit what are you are you working yeah um communist forces and their long march at yanon in shit like do you do this he's old

his love lecture was there was the gm of the 1981 canada cup team not like he was wait wait wait wait jesse no no fuck that iso cam on jesse you look down the barrel of that thing and you say that again cliff fletcher was the general manager of the 1981 canada cup team what seven years before i was born holy he was the general manager of team canada before margier dano was born that's when putting Wayne Gretzky and Guy Lafleur on a team was like the big is a big yeah that was a big thing adding Gretzky to that team

like a sophomore in the NHL I want to throw this at you was last fact he was a scout for the Blues in 1966 like they weren't a team yet that was their expansion year

they weren't a team yet Cliff Fletcher worked for the first year expansion St. Louis Blues in 1966 At the height of Beatlemania. Before they played a game. That's how long this man has been in hockey. Holy mackerel.

Cliff Fletcher has been alive longer than Newfoundland has been a part of Canada. He was 14 when Newfoundland joined Canada. Stop. Stop. 14 years old when Newfoundland joined Canada. Dude. Dude. This one's nuts.

This one's nuts. So he was born in August? Yeah, keep it going. No, no. This is the rest of the show now. how old is cliff lecher dude august 16th i'm not making fun of him no it's unbelievable i will not be working when i'm this age no absolutely not i don't have the drive i am too lazy hats off to cliff lecher but holy moly several months after he was born physicist edwin schrodinger publishes

his famous thought experiment schrodinger's cat a paradox that illustrates the problem of the copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics schrodinger's cat is younger than cliff fletcher that's nuts first major league baseball game in cincinnati all right let's move on last thing hand holland's gonna sign the first team that cliff fletcher ever worked for were the montreal canadians where he's from he started out as a scout for the team it was for the 1955 56 montreal canadians on that team jean beliveau rocket richard toe blake was the coach jacques plant was the goaltender um that is the team that cliff fletcher started for i started working no more

last one we have to move on last one that's okay we gotta move on guys okay go one more we gotta move on we got other stuff we gotta do two months before cliff fletcher was born baseball hall of famer slugger babe ruth announces his retirement as a player at 40 years of age that's a good one The Stars are going to buy out Ryan Suter's contract as of this morning. It will save them $1.4 million, and it will add $1.4 million to their cap for the next two seasons. So Ryan Suter is one of the first double buyout guys. Another one was Tony D'Angelo. I thought that Vincent LeCavalier was also a double buyout guy, but apparently not.

He was bought out, I believe, by Tampa, then signed by Philly, and then bought out, and he finished off in Chicago, if I remember correctly. Oh. Oh, do you remember that vaguely? Yeah, but I thought he was a double buyout guy, but maybe his contract had expired. I think he was bought out twice, but wasn't necessarily being paid at the same time by both teams. Yeah, where Suter will, if he signs with a new team, will be paid by three different hockey teams. Yeah, and D'Angelo was the only only other guy to have that. In theory, Suter could sign a contract with the team, then get double retention traded to someone and be paid by five teams.

uh jeff skinner is reportedly going to be bought out although we have not heard that yet that's going to be a significant hit on uh the uh cap situation for the buffalo sabers that cap it's uh it sucks and uh actually you know should we should we pull it up should we go through it just very quickly yeah it's up there maddie so you're looking at you uh cap it of 1.4 this year 4.4 the next year 6.4 the next year and three more years at 2.4 million dollars this is a player that still scored close to 30 goals he does nothing defensively but this is a player who will be very valuable to whatever team picks him up and i feel like maybe they just needed to move on from each other yeah however uh this player who has never played in a playoff game it's crazy i hope i hope

signs and and and gets a playoff game i don't mind this buyout at all no why not but it's still those first two years are fucking awesome you get this young core and buffalo who looked good coming on the end of season they always look good when things aren't on the line anymore but that 7.5 million dollars you get this off season the 4.5 next year i'll take that cap space over having jeff skinner on the lineup for nine million dollars that's a that's a good little trade 2.4 for the final three years you don't you don't really give a damn yeah because like at this point in buffalo you gotta be like something's gotta give we gotta make the playoffs we at least have to be competitive for the playoffs let's go spend this nearly eight million dollars on uh

more places on our lineup that can get us to that point it's 19.666 million dollars spread over six years instead of 27 million spread over three um he is he has played a thousand games not a single one of them in the playoffs by the way i have a question that i was thinking about because i saw naturally there's a player available now and leaf fans are like leaf um and it's possible so here's the thing i was thinking about and i don't think the leaf should do this but let's think about it what is nick robertson top out as what's best case scenario for nick robertson hall of famer 25 goal score I think Nick Robertson

smallish guy tenacious can score I don't know doesn't that sound like Jeff Skinner yeah he's gonna like Nick Robertson

I think if he gets the ice time he's gonna score 20 goals next year now he's gonna do he's gonna do some stuff that drive coaches crazy he's got some weird

decisions that's why Keefe didn't trust him but if you can he's a good depth scoring guy and a great shot now

and so does Jeff Skinner I'm not saying get rid of Nick Robertson because, you know, a boat's a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat. But like if you sign Jeff Skinner to a reasonable deal, could you then trade Nick Robertson for something else that your team needs? Probably. Now, I don't want to do that. I'm just saying it's an option. The comparison between what we're comparing with Nick Robertson and Jeff Skinner, the difference is that I don't ever see Nick Robertson getting above 50 points.

I do. Jeff Skinner had 82 two years ago. so like that's the thing like he wasn't very good this past year he is two previous seasons were really good 33 and 35 goals he still had 24 last year in an off year and by the way look at the other players on buffalo who didn't have a good year all of them he's he phil kessled himself um like you shouldn't be building a team around this guy no he made too much um and i think cap hit clouds um a player's reputation this is a good player but nick robertson with better skating be johnny goudreau oh they're if if you compare their builds they're

nearly identical they also both play left wing and they're both left shooting left wingers five nine about 170 they have the same build at the core of themselves johnny's hockey iq though is it's 10 out of 10 nick robertson's is probably at the lowest peak it'll ever be um in terms of his career he's 22 years old still his skating needs like tenfold improvement but do you think there's a path to where he can kind of be that sort of player i don't like pulling this card here we go slam it down on the table i have been in the room with both of these men bullshit they're the same weight robertson robertson's got at least 15 pounds on him it's about robertson's bigger than you think 163 178 so yeah you're right oh yeah wow i was

bang on holy shit yeah i i just averaged i said they're about 170 each but no they're not one's 15 pounds heavier than the other yeah i guess yeah i'm gonna give you 15 pounds i took seven moved it up took eight moved it down so yeah i was like no they are if you want to if you want to get into specifics yeah oh okay 178 163 robertson's you nailed it how many points does johnny goudreau have and last season no no like sorry how many career games does he have 763 as a 163 pound player yeah he's a miracle he's a miracle like that he hasn't been squished like a bug that's according to hockey db dude wow wow good for him uh yeah so fascinating so no nick robertson can't be johnny goudreau uh no that'd be sick no but i don't think so i would

love to be wrong on that by the way all right but i don't think so i like my skinner comparison like he's he's a sniper he's a shooter whereas goudreau is sort of like uh you know more of a finesse american-born small left winger all right oh okay birth certificate matters now yeah all right for this conversation he's oh what if he's like oh oh everyone's favorite he's like if jeff skinner and Johnny Gaudreau had a baby. All right. All right. Let's move on.

I want to quickly mention a couple of things before we get to the second, the actual rant that you wanted to go on. Oh, my God. We're coming up on like two. I know. But this is going to be a long show. Very quickly. Alex Nadelkovich has re-signed in Pittsburgh.

And from what we knew beforehand, nobody seemed to think that the Penguins are going to be able to get that done. That means that the extension, which I will tell you that I was against last year, that they signed Tristan Jari to, might mean that Tristan Jari is on the move. This is a player who is super good until he's super not. What do you think? Always puts up great numbers and then goes for a little walk in the park. When the pressure's on, when you need him, it's like, wow, five-hole goal with a nothing burger shot. That's great.

Sounds like a leaf. uh no but i do think uh adding a goalie like that to the market because listen he did put up good numbers and markstrom didn't put up great numbers and markstrom got a first what do you think tristan jari could get uh the penguins are in a different situation they need to remove cap i get it yeah but that could be a pretty valuable piece and underrated if you get him for next to like if you're not giving up the first round pick because i don't think you are and you add five million bucks there's a lot of teams who would take a guy like that i'm yeah i'm trying to think what the comparable is i was gonna say mackenzie blackwood but blackwood was coming off a freaking horrible

season yeah sharks picked him up for a sixth and then he was really good on a team that was really really ass um less than you think man i this probably tops out at like a late first rounder maybe i don't think so which dubas will then trade back yeah no they're not getting a first round for this guy no why would you give up every team that has a late first rounder is going to be probably a team that has a good goal no first rounders markstrom yeah markster well okay so markstrom fetched the first next mark fetched the first with strings attached um remember nadelkovich got traded for a third and we were all like what sure feels like that but i think whatever in and around that neighborhood whatever team gets him

if they have a strong defensive system is actually probably going to do pretty well. Oh yeah. It will be a good deal for them. I don't think he's a bad goalie. I think he's a mystifying goal. Yeah. Uh,

one quick thing before we get to the hall of fame, uh, Sean Shapiro did a, an article. I encourage you to read in the athletic about the Jake Wallman trade, which has perplexed Detroit fans. He made the same amount of money as Justin Hall. Um,

he was traded with a second round pick to San Jose. Steve did a whole breakdown video, but here's the part that I think you guys would find interesting. Based off of some of Sean's conversations and reading reports from others, there were multiple teams that would have been interested for trading for him,

but Iserman didn't shop him around. I don't believe that was in The Athletic. I think it was on his sub stack. Oh, it's on his sub stack. Yeah. Sharp shot hockey. Excuse me. No, I read that.

Yeah, no, it's a great little piece he wrote there. It's popped up on my screen. Just go to Joshua Extension. Jesse's got a big piece of breaking news as well. And here's the other thing. Sean said,

I know for a fact that the Sharks would have claimed him on waivers so why did they trade the second round it's shocking when you outline what eiserman did with wallman because he didn't have to do this guys literally could have just put him on waivers and other teams would have taken him off his hands without having to pay the pick at all red wings fans when do we have to talk you know legend team legend you should build a statue for steve eisenman just make sure it's not wearing a suit well because i don't get this guy i think every year he does something where you're like i don't get it my and i i told you last year i i said i said he had a terrible off season i thought he had a terrible summer

and then the Red Wings went out red hot and people were like, see, you're new. I'm like, well, what did they end up with? I think what happened was they made a decision that are we keeping Wallman or are we keeping Hall?

They have a ton of cap space to spend. So we're midway through a plan here. I'm not saying it's great asset management, but I think they chose Justin Hall. Okay, so you choose Justin Hall. Why don't you put Jake Wallman on waivers? I don't know. What is the...

I can't find an answer to that question. I don't know. Because that is the simplest way to get rid of this contract because somebody in the league will take it with the San Jose Sharks are 32nd in the league in the standings. That means they are first in the waiver order. If they wanted Jake Wallman, they would have had first priority to take them. And well, Iserman just like, OK, even if we put him there and you take them, we're still going to give you the second round pick for free. This isn't an adequate answer, but I'll try. So he made the deal Tuesday.

Yeah. So you put him on waivers Tuesday, you don't get an answer till Wednesday, and if no one claims him, then you only have Thursday to trade him before the draft. I think moving him with the second round pick would then get rid of him to many teams. Right. So what you're saying is they didn't even try it. No. See, even in your explanation, okay, he didn't get claimed. Then do the second round pick deal.

like even though you're clearing space for something bigger and you pull that bigger thing off it's still difficult to justify what they did if you want to get rid of this differently you could have done it entirely differently where you save the second round pick i i i read that and i was at a loss for words and be like yeah if it played out like that why don't you just do it i agree and also sean spiro i think expertly pointed out eisenman based on his reporting eisenman didn't shop it around yes he didn't he loves all guys loves fidgeting um it's it's really weird and okay you do this for the subsequent move who knows if that subsequent move happens because there's no guarantee that you can sign x free agent you can trade for x guy that might never

happen if it's stamkos it's if it's gensel if it's marty niches those guys can also not come to your team and i feel like they're only coming to your team if you give them the most like your team is not the team people go to because it's like all right time to win i haven't won and that's no it's been a long time i also have a signing to announce dakota joshua will be staying with the vancouver canucks for your contract 3.25 million dollars jesse said that oh he did oh sorry sorry and then there and then the other thing was um and this isn't necessarily news but jake truba's name is out there in trades yep and the the rangers have said hey give us your list because we need to know now uh oh you did mention that okay sorry no but not with the list okay the list

part yeah it's um i thought cj was great if we want to go back to it he said jake truber at this point has become a luxury for the new york rangers and you'd love if the team in toronto would look at big contracts as luxuries and move on from them instead of hey let's just hang on to the luxury so i love that great great words you know what i love that the rangers made it to the final four and they can just settle for that some teams settle for less uh last thing and i know that the show is running long but it's that time of year uh the hall of fame inductions were announced and you know there's it's another year of alexander mcgillney not being uh inducted now that's not where we're going with this but i do want to say that this that player won a rocket

richard he won a lady bing first non-north american captain in nhl history defect from the soviet union they threatened his family yeah um i don't know why people don't like alexander mcgillney there seems to be you know the nhl operates a bit like a crime family so there seems to be a bit of uh we're icing this guy i don't know why it takes one guy on that board to not like you and that's my guess i loved this player growing up and i think it's criminal that he's not in that's why i just wanted to say it's not even it's not an nhl hall of fame it is a hockey hall of fame he also won gold medal at the olympics world championships and world juniors and then a stanley cup on top of that he has everything he's accomplished everything in the

sport and it's crazy that whoever in the i assume you'll get into some of the voting stuff i don't know because that's uh no i'll leave that for you okay that's that's a side right that's my point about the hockey hall of fame where um my biggest point of contention with the way they do things is it's a secret meeting it's like they're choosing the pope and then you get the smoke is black smoke comes out of the hall yeah out of bay street where where the hall comes is located you know it comes out of there and you find out okay this is who they picked it's a secret little committee of 16 people that go into this room and they decide and they come out and they say these other people and there's zero explanation for criteria who voted for who who's who just in

charge of the whole thing and then we get results like this with no explanation as to why a guy who's accomplished everything in hockey can't make it to the hall and that's that's the worst thing about this whole thing and i'm losing respect for it year after year after year people should it should have lost respect for it when they wouldn't put pat burns in until after he past to me it's losing credibility as the governing body of the history of the game sure agreed if and it's not listen if if mcgillney was somehow a bad guy uh it's not the hockey hall of good guys hockey hall of fame uh and i don't think that he was there are no reports about that by the way um and i think what's a shame here is it's taken away from some of the

people that should be headlining this pavel datsuk natalie darwitz uh chrissy wendell pole uh david poyle oh yeah you know ronick and weber and and by the way shea weber too yeah yeah i don't think should shea weber be a first ballot hall of famer i don't think so i'm gonna say no i'm gonna say no i'm not sure he's over 15 i'm gonna say no I don't think Shea Weber should be eligible, frankly. He has not officially retired. Oh, yeah, that's fair. That's also fair.

He's still getting paid by an NHL team. Yeah, if Shea Weber is in the Hall of Fame, put Yager in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, what the hell is that? That's such a good point. These are the little things. When you just pick apart the little details of the Hockey Hall of Fame, they're a complete joke.

Shea Weber is getting paid by an NHL team, and Yager got it as well. Pronger got in Pronger same thing he got in while he's being paid by an NHL team I think both by the Coyotes

Yager because he's playing overseas in a pro league that he owns for a pro team that he owns he can't get into the Hockey Hall of Fame

what? that doesn't make sense and the only reason he plays for that team is to sell tickets because people will pay to see him play he's retired

from the NHL just like Shane Weber well Jesse though it's not the NHL Hall of Fame and you know what's funny about that too by the way we're fine with

the executives work We're fine with the current commissioner going in. And that's why I wanted to bring this up. How do you think, and this leads in perfectly to Colin Campbell, how do you think the Gary Bettman voting year went? Gary made a call and said, I'm coming in this year. And the guy said, I guess Gary's coming in this year. Okay, pop that white smoke up the chimney.

The Pope is in. And I think that it's a little bit ridiculous. If we're going to randomly apply a rule that a player needs to be done with their career, why are we allowing people that are executives to be put in now why because executives usually work until they're 88 and then die cliff fletcher was inducted into the hockey hall of fame in 2004 wow and he's worked ever since but it's and he's still working but that doesn't apply to these executives only the players have to be retired but if you work in the game you can still get in it's a bullshit rule put people in yeah exactly it's and i and i'm sorry ronick didn't win any

awards was never a first or a second team all-star never won a cup like what are we talking no mcginley has like a such a better case than ronick and it doesn't make any sense he the the the name that i keep bringing up is paul korea just because he didn't reach a thousand points didn't reach a thousand games um you know injuries were a big part of that and he would have these past two years we've had Pierre Turgeon and Jeremy Roenick like with Paul Correa you can go yeah that was a top five top 10 player in the league for at least some of his career these guys Paul Correa was always better Paul Correa was always better than Jeremy Roenick always yeah he was always better I don't disagree there wouldn't have been a person in the league at Jeremy Roenick was a really good

second line center that's his career he was the first he was the first at on bat oh okay on the to chicago blackhawks for a minute in the early night i think you're being a bit hard i don't think based on numbers i think jeremy roenick it should be in the hall of fame i think he put up enough counting stats to get in i don't even think it's about him getting in he should be but if he's if he's in the other guy should be in too yeah that's that's where i'm at with him not killing me in a walk yeah in a walk so i don't i don't understand what they do there i don't understand uh corruption is uh what they and i think the the one we haven't mentioned is the one steve wants to talk about and go off please yeah so uh no one by the way colin campbell

is the name you're about oh yeah sorry no call him by his name it's colin it's colin no he likes to call himself colin that's ridiculous jesse ever with the name c-o-l-i-n has ever been colin powell what is that what colin powell former secretary of defense colin powell was is also spelled all right yeah also i don't know i'd change my name to colin i don't want to be called all the collins in the world got to be upset about this yeah anyway continue well it's like a good name it's like dick pound what a name you could go by richard yeah rich call me rick colin campbell steve dangle colin campbell um is a blight on the hockey hall of fame um and a a stain on the reputation and integrity of the institution fewer people uh put it into better words um than jonathan

willis uh who's a oilers writer oilers writer wrote for the athletic for a while i'm not sure who he writes for now but i still follow him on twitter and here's what he said responding quote tweeting the Hockey Hall of Fame's tweet about Colin Campbell getting in with his smug little face. Colin Campbell, the league executive who used his position as vice president of hockey operations to lobby for the firing of referees who penalized his son, is heading to the Hockey Hall of Fame. He also used the same position to pursue a vendetta against a player, Mark Savard, who he disliked as an NHL coach. Charged with making a disciplinary decision

on the blindside headshot that ended that player's career, he ruled it unworthy of suspension or even of fine. Giving such a man the highest career honor possible in hockey is a damning indictment of the Hockey Hall of Fame, its selection committee, and the secretive process it uses to select its candidates. It robs the Hockey Hall of Fame of credibility and tarnishes the sport. If you're baffled by all of this, don't be.

The answer is in plain sight. I was part of the Hall's selection committee for 15 years, Campbell said, and now I get the call. The Halls of NHL power have always preferred the right friends to merit. Incidentally, it remains inexcusable that the NHL didn't fire Campbell Campbell when he used his position to interfere with officiating on behalf of a family member. I'm cynical about the NHL, but the more I think about it, the more this hockey hall of fame endorsement of league corruption angers me. I've brought this up before. I'll shout it from the

rooftops until it stops being true, which is never. So deal with it. This is from a Greg Wyshynski article from November 15th, 2010, when it was unearthed that Colin Campbell had, uh, basically sent emails. They were in court documents, um, because of a lawsuit and his emails were subpoenaed and whoops-a-daisy here's corruption just in plain sight from Greg Wyshynski 14 years ago 14 years ago the frequently profane communications about warren warren was a former nhl ref warren's alleged incompetence had been previously reported in the media the details dello as in tyler dello discovered in the emails goes beyond that case and strike at the axle of the nhl's wobbly wheel of justice the colin campbell emails aren't as much a revelation as

they as much as a confirmation for his critics they reveal criticism of officials who dared call uh disputed penalties on his son gregory campbell now a forward with the boston bruins they reveal the candid petty assessments by an nhl executive on the league's on ice officials performances and most scandalously they reveal a long-standing grudge campbell holds against bruin center mark savard who's now an assistant coach with the leafs have fun with that um and fans i'm sure they're going to get a fair shake and fans he still works for the fucking league and fans across the nhl are now wondering if that grudge may have come into play when campbell let matt cook off without a suspension for concussing savard last season have these revelations damaged campbell severely in his

position as NHL's disciplinarian, or are they just a professional embarrassment and a tarnish on his reputation? Later in the article, the most damning portion of the emails is this exchange regarding a high-sticking call in a February 2007 game. So this predates LFR. This is how long Colin Campbell has been a corrupt hunk of garbage in the National Hockey League. The players' names were redacted from Campbell. Um, so here we go. A bend in the road is a dead end. If you round the corner and Dean Warren is standing there, Dean Warren is an NHL ref your answer regarding his high stick calls and the score of the game were horse shit. The third call on player redacted was while they were down five on four and on a defensive zone face-off versus that little fake,

uh, fake artist redacted. I had him in redacted city, biggest faker going and Warren fell for it when he grabbed his face on a face off. You're supposed to see the act, not call the embellishing act. Dean Warren has to go with redacted referee. There must be a way to get rid of this guy. Is there a way we can, uh, tracked and, uh, total minors called by referees this year? We could get, uh, we could then get minors they called per game and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He continues the emails were scrubbed to keep details a secret, but Dello narrowed them down via the evidence presented and came to a stunning conclusion. The only game that fit the scenario was a February 24th, 2007 game between the Florida Panthers and the Boston Bruins. The only player

with three minor penalties in that game, Gregory Campbell, Colin Campbell's son, whose last penalty was a high stick. The player he allegedly hit with the stick that Campbell felt embellished as a little fake artist, that played for Campbell when Campbell was an NHL coach with the New York Rangers, Bruin center Mark Savard, according to Dello.

This guy still works for the NHL. still what what is he president of hockey operations yeah i think i think he might be year or two away from being like moved out for somebody else um he should have been moved out for anybody else in 2010 when this was discovered yeah yeah i agree he has been trying to influence he's been trying to ruin the careers of nhl officials director of hockey operation he is the director of hockey operations for the national hockey league and he was caught red-handed being biased against certain players and trying to ruin the reputations and fire referees who called penalties against his son this happened in 2007 it was discovered in 2010 and it's 2024 he still

works for the NHL in a high ranking position and was just inducted into the hockey hall of fame. It's a fucking disgrace that he's inducted to the hall of fame. It's a fucking disgrace that he still works for the NHL and everyone involved should be deeply ashamed of themselves that they are party to this corrupt hypocrisy. It is nonsense that Colin Campbell isn't completely ostracized and disgraced from the hockey world, let alone he gets a place in the annals of the most prestigious thing that they have in the sport. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Jesse, let's take a look at the Matt Cook on Mark Savard hit that Colin Campbell deemed not suspendable. I think it's important for context here, because if you saw a hit like

this today, I think the reaction would be very different. But remember, this is 2009, And we didn't know as much about concussions then. March 7th, 2010. Oh, 2010. Okay, here we go. So you're seeing, you'll see Mark Savard and you'll see Matt Cook. Matt Cook is the guy on the furthest right. Yep.

And Mark Savard is the guy not looking at him who is just past the puck. And if we could fast, this is just a real slow. Okay. And there's the hit. This hit is to the head and it knocked Mark Savard completely unconscious. Now, if you don't remember, if you're not old enough to remember Matt Cook, Matt Cook was among the worst goons to ever play in the NHL, not because he was big, not because he was bad, not even not even really because he was tough, but because he was a snake and he would do shit like this. He was reviled and usually tough guys are respected. This person was reviled by just about everybody.

To Don Cherry's credit, he criticized them harshly on hockey night in Canada. and matt cook um confronted him in person and cherry who is decades older shorter smaller everything um you know when when cook confronted him he's like yeah and i'll tell you to your face right now you're a rat there's a photo of it it's crazy good on him yeah it's uh and and you know again interestingly gregory campbell and mark savard eventually became teammates uh mark savard now assistant coach with the Leafs Gregory Campbell AGM of the Florida Panthers the Stanley Cup winning Florida Panthers and Vancouver Canucks fan fans have a legitimate gripe with the 2011 Stanley Cup final because after this story came out that was the first Stanley Cup final

and what happened Gregory Campbell's team beat the dog shit out of the Canucks with no repercussions whatsoever and aaron rome who laid a it was a dirty hit very very very dirty hit on nathan horton knocking him completely unconscious which is now against the rules um now it's against the rules because it didn't happen to mark savard now it's against the rules it was a four game suspension in the middle of the stanley cup final had not happened before has not happened since the one time you you you could call that justice you could call that what the suspension should have been never happened before never happened again and the one time that it did happen it happened to colin campbell's son's hockey team they benefited from it and won the stanley cup that's

a coincidence oh yeah it's a coincidence by the way ask ask canuck fans yeah oh yeah oh yeah they have lots of gripes they have the one kelly sutherland he wanted to keep his job because he got fucko the clown behind the scenes sending emails trying to get refs who call penalties against his son fired now this is the person they gave the highest honor of the sport yeah paul now to be fair there's going to be people that point out that paul devorski said that dean warren was uh he said i'll be frank he was a horseshit ref um i don't give a shit what the hive mind thinks i don't give a shit so so and then but but carrie frazier said actually devorski's wrong i think uh warren's a great ref so you have divided opinions wow i bet the first

ever documented you should hang that in a museum the first ever documented nhl ref disagreement yeah they never disagree publicly by the way in that case where the nhl and dean warren uh went head to head because dean went to the ontario supreme court and said you i should be reinstated uh i was just looking it up while you were talking um it went to the supreme court wow 2016 now that carried on for more for about a decade didn't angel hernandez's case also go to the supreme yes it did there's precedence well now now here's the thing so angel hernandez was like um uh they're the mlb has not let me umpire a world series in a number of years this is racial discrimination and it went to court and everything and what came out of it was uh no we just don't

think you're very good they they pulled in the cart you know when you get a substitute teacher and you're gonna watch a movie that yeah yeah it's like the mlb pulled in that cart with the tv on it yeah plugged in aaron aaron hernandez angel hernandez's videotape of all his calls and the The judge was like, okay, yeah, those are bad. Yeah, no, this is the equivalent of if during that lawsuit you found an email from the commissioner saying, I don't want Aaron, I don't want Angel Hernandez to umpire the World Series because of his ethnic background. yeah this would be the equivalent of them finding that email you have this guy dead to rights red handed hand in the cookie jar fucking guilty trying to ruin a ref's career because he dared call penalties against his son and showing bias against a player who was injured and then didn't

punish the guy who injured him and over a decade has passed he's now in the hockey hall of fame that everyone involved should be fucking ashamed of themselves no ban from the committee it's all good yeah yeah give them the highest honor in the sport i think you watered down the hockey hall of fame today but mcginley did nothing yeah mcginley did nothing to deserve to be in the hockey hall of fame i want to throw one you made the hockey hall of fame mean less today uh with inducting colin campbell you made the hockey hall of fame mean less you disgraced everyone who's in that thing you ought to be ashamed couldn't agree more drew's gonna kill us if we don't do this quick thoughts on the Ducks and

Kings jerseys. Slaps. Thumbs up. Both of them. Thumbs up? Yeah. I say thumbs up, Kings. Ducks, I'm not sold on. Why? I love the logo. The orange doesn't do it for me. Nah, commit to a color. What? Commit to a color. I don't like the orange. I don't like the orange. I understand. They play in Orange County.

Yeah, I know. It's so fitting. Listen, if they promise me they're going to do shiny orange helmets, like the Kings do shiny silver ones, I'm in. But that Kings jersey is fucking awesome. The Kings went with matte black for the helmets. which is really cool that is cool too yeah i think there's so little orange in the league like what did you want them to go to black again i think i would have liked to see them go back to

the 90s colors i thought the teal and the white and that sort of thing very california orange is cali too okay i think you're hating it's a bold color like if everyone buys the jersey if everyone buys the jersey their home games are gonna look that's yes yeah you have to you know the one thing about it is isn't it trevor's egress they put in that jersey yeah and he looked thrilled and he's going to be traded in like two minutes yeah that's hilarious yeah he's going to montreal come on i don't know that there's tamu holding the jersey it's not it's not bad it's not bad i'm still kings all the way on this one like i think like all credit to them for going for a bold color like yeah i'm on that side yeah and like their new slogan um you're entering orange

county or whatever it is i think that's their new slogan i forget what's like and off at the gates here that's like a double entendre no it should be quacking the code don't flock with us yeah oh wild thank you good one thank you thank you i had a friend point out to me that the king's logo looks like the chevrolet logo it does yeah but it always has it always has it's still good chevrolet came first so yeah yeah whatever get sponsored by him i guess yeah that'd be funny because it'd be silver and gold. The Chevy one's gold. So I thought that was kind of funny.

Anyway, should we end this, Sterling? No, and another thing. Should we end it with a super slow thing? Is the bit rate changed on... Sample rate, no. Sample rate? Yeah, no, it'll be super slow. It's really slow.

Anyway, we'll be back. Draft stream tomorrow night. Look out for that new CJ show. It's out and it's beautiful. So is the new Agent Provocateur with Alan, obviously, and Philip Bronick. And of course, we have free agency on Monday.