The Steve Dangle Podcast - More Statements | January 12, 2026

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

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there's a loblaws in there we used to go there for lunch all the time because we were working down at sport check for a few months uh last year bobby mcmahon uh one of the players who met with kevin uh you know because he was kevin loved the toronto maple leafs uh honored him by arriving uh at last night's game in a high visibility vest and what appeared to be kevin's name on his own name tag it was mentioned on hockey night in canada and he put it up on his Instagram stories as well. So there is a GoFundMe set up to cover his funeral costs. GoFundMe goes as following. This morning, I received the heartbreaking news that Kevin passed away. It was so sudden and unexpected. Just last week, Kevin and I were working together

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shout out to Bobby, and we'll start the show. S-D-P-P, the Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! All right, here we are, Monday, and the Senators are still the number one story, thanks to the Senators. But we'll get to that in a second. First things first, Jesse was in Kingston for a live show this weekend.

Yes. and he brought back a present you requested one of the visors from the drew and stew live show at the mansion and i brought it yeah i'm trying to put it over over my mic and over my hat it's not gonna work please wear that golfing this there we go please wear that definitely wear that blue ribbon who sponsored the show uh i did indeed steal one of the vibes and you guys have a good time it was a great time uh shout out me i'm undefeated on my picks oh yeah so i went five it over the weekend it was pretty awesome calls though shout out drew who's oh and five is he really he didn't even pick his own bills no no he's he's the master of uh i'm gonna hedge

my feelings hedgelord yeah yeah oh he's already it's exhausting he's already like congrats to leafs on their win tonight like uh because they're playing the avalanche yeah right hedgelord that's the best term you've ever come up thank you he was all over the jags for the game on yesterday well they're gonna win we're gonna win by 17 they're gonna win shut up he was happy but he lost his pick i think he's he wants to hedge tonight because it's the avalanche and the leaves obviously in colorado and if the leaves did win uh in regulation to be the first regulation loss they've suffered at home and how hilarious would it be if it was the least it did it it'd be great it'd be great but the fact that he's doing it makes me go he's like oh they've already lost

already two points for the leafs i cannot wait for the call of fraud oh lfr i i need it i need it the only not gonna happen the the june stew episode at the mansion it's gonna be in their monday episode today okay if you missed out if you want to see cam uh just not stop just cammin just going off and just being cam you can watch that in the june stew episode that comes out today it really is such a fun show i love that show uh you guys if you love football that's a show you got to check out now um the other thing is what do you see the clip where cam thought i was an ohl player yes cam thought steve was he's not the first person to think that you played hockey like yeah and i i find that so funny because so much of what and like he works for

you yeah drew's like no he taught himself how to skate like a few years ago what um can you pick up the trophy next to you uh this is the connor mcdavid trophy awarded to the top players from the eastern and western conference at the ohl top prospects game and the whole top prospects tourney which includes several other tournaments starts tomorrow in peterborough and we'll be there so uh we will see you tomorrow and we will see you friday or friday excuse me wednesday and steve is going to be doing the in-game arena hosting by the way for that too so we got two shows so good yeah we got a tuesday show and a wednesday show and then of course we'll do our friday show as well so lots of sdp content this week what so tomorrow what can people like what

do they go and see well they're they're obviously the the u16 uh uh tournaments are on tomorrow and some of the players are going to be around signing autographs and that sort of thing too so uh we will be in the community center just down the street from uh the pmc so the pmc is where the pete's play will be uh in that community center second floor overlooking both ice pads it's kind of a really cool spot kind of looks like a cool condo with like florida ceiling glass and everything you know so we're really excited about that we're gonna be there around midday uh recording a show talking to people and uh that's tomorrow's show to me is where we can kind of let loose and have some fun because wednesday's show which apparently is happening

in the arena for the peets and i won't say where because i want to make sure that it actually happens um that show will include brian crawford who is the ohl commissioner and we have to be a little bit more professional for that one right no well a little bit more a little bit more slightly no and i also got a notification from one of the guys uh who is organizing the event and said hey adam can you please make sure to bring that trophy with you because it is the trophy so yeah this is not a uh replica this is the real deal it's real yeah so we'll you can't you can't buy tickets to the portion of us in particular recording our show just just come and be there but you got to get tickets to the game yes yeah and there are i believe the game's sold out but they're after

market stuff and uh uh there's also like we'll just we'll be around you'll see us uh you'll see is kind of hobnobbing just freaking look for us yeah you can always treat us and be like where are you and we'll be like here yeah yeah so come see us it'll be a lot of fun uh steve we can take the trophy off the table now why um because what if i want it i want to bring it home um now you're gonna okay no no no no no where do we put this where adam won't forget it well i'm gonna i'm gonna we'll do that after where do we put this where adam won't forget it no technically i have two days to get it there because tomorrow they don't really need it but the next day they're really going to need it yeah but if we don't bring it tomorrow it's going to be a little

yeah that's true like that's a good point that's a good point now listen uh the ottawa senators did a couple of things this morning uh the first thing they did was they uh brought in james reimer they did uh the leafs obviously tried him out in the early uh pre-season uh sorry late pre-season didn't work out he was released um and then this the senators tried him out at the ahl this past weekend and he allowed six goals but so did joseph wool before he came back yeah i don't i don't put a ton into that it's not encouraging but like i don't put a ton into that and today they signed him to a one-way contract uh and uh he is going to be making 850 grand prorated so probably 400 something whatever i uh i hate the narrative around james ramer by the way why do you hate

the narrative well people keep narrative people keep talking about how like he's just old and i hate that because we were born the same week so knock that off james ramer is 47 that is me yeah he wears his age on his patch so he's got to get it updated this year now he's 48 yeah he's 48 doing it every year yeah yeah but you imagine how exhausting that would be by the way i didn't know you were so ancient wow yeah ancient steve is what we call him 47 year old buffalo sabers numbers last year we'll ignore the two games he played for the ducks because it was two games uh on last year's buffalo sabers 285 goals against average which seems slightly high but a 901 save percentage in 22 games man he was downright adequate i'm telling you and that's

what the sense the sense needs some saves in terms of who is available for free to just sign out of the blue in january jesse's laugh he is the best candidate who else is there who else is there okay no who would you sign now go like there's there's no one when you have to put it into those terms it's just very desperate oh yeah and and i think there's a larger conversation about how awful they have been in goal that they've reached the point where it's you have to take the guy for free and see who's out there and this is james right can you can you guys tell me what the team save percentage this season in 44 games for the ottawa senators is 8 88 which would be bad jesse 8 76 which would be worse can i one up you both oh you're joking

868 stop it they're stat news stat muse team save percentage right now i'm looking at it look you can look at it yeah this doesn't mean i'm gonna believe it i don't believe it i need the sins to release a statement about how this is false i from my perspective what yeah huh so they need this guy their gold differential is only minus 10 if yeah i know these guys might win the cup if they get a save 100 holy cow league average save percentage by the way is 897 it's down from last year's 900 this year it's 897 868 boys they're well below if reimer could get them in 875 it's a huge improvement

like literally that's that will legitimately get them points in the standing 100 and it allows you to i don't know how old mad sogard is i'm pretty sure he's young it it allows you to not throw him into the pool when he can't swim yet you know um hunter shepherd i mean it's just it's not a task he's up to and marilinen's kind of drowning right now too kinda yeah and he was good he's unplayable yeah i which i'm shocked by i'm shocked by he was really good last year we were talking about these two young goalies who took the atlantic by storm last year and jacob dobish in montreal and levy maryline and in ottawa both of them have struggled one of them has actually won games though and that's dobish um i i don't have an answer there i've seen sense fans talk about

justin peters maybe there's something there on account of uh he's the coach and all their goalies have been bad but uh i'm starting to see more and more about travis green i i don't know what the problem is but they can't stop a puck the goaltending is the problem uh yeah and and when your goaltending problem good they're good goalies yeah which is this is that's what's confusing leaving maryland is a good goalie lenis allmark has that will be we think mad so guard i think is i don't know his career numbers but i know he's played before this season and i want to say he was adequate so what's happening senators have lost four straight not good and this is on the heels of and everybody knows it what happened thursday night when the statement heard around

the nhl was released to that put to bed thankfully all of the rumors about what was going on in the auto with that well this stopped it did well it's weird though we haven't heard a single thing about it since for such a stopped rumor why are they still writing about it they released a statement about their statement today they did but i want to start with how this story unfolded a little bit over the weekend because remember we also had the players talking right yes and uh so we have obviously thursday night the statement goes out friday everybody's like why did you make that statement uh saturday it's mentioned several times on hockey night in canada which is the you know premier hockey broadcast in the entire country and uh and then this morning i would argue is

given more life by uh a blog by the head of pr ian mendes who was also a senator's writer for the athletic for many years we've had ian on this show like ian personally very very much oh and my god couldn't disagree more with this strategy couldn't couldn't disagree more with this strategy yeah and and so i want to um i we heard from stutzler we heard from kachuk we heard from david perron so they're all you know veteran guys well respected in the room um and they all kind of said the same thing which was uh you know we love lenis we can't wait for him to get back um you know we can't believe that this is this is completely crossing the line all that stuff and i can understand from their perspective why they feel like

whether these rumors are true or not why these might be crossing the line right i get it i i don't think there's a person among us who doesn't get it but yeah the rumor was the crossing the line part right but what steve said on friday and what people sort of echoed across the hockey verse was yeah but you gave it more oxygen when you made that statement because most people and you could see it in the comments even underneath our friday show people were like i people were like i didn't even know until i listened to this show about this this story some of the social clips we uploaded people like i still don't know what you're talking about people people are people have lives and this is where i think i'm employed what is this sorry i exactly i think the

ottawa senators don't realize how small their world is and that's not an insult to ottawa or the market you got to remember even if this was the toronto maple leafs which is a much bigger a media blast if something like that goes out um you got to remember that people have jobs and they have kids and they have lives and maybe their only interaction with your brand is when you're on television maybe they don't have social media plenty of people are getting away from social media maybe they're not chronically online like you or or me or steve or whatever you know steve you said you you're criminally online i didn't actually i said chronically i'm sure i'm that also you're you're whatever you are online you're online a lot you're in tune with this

that's our job jesse's in tune with this that's his job i'm in tune with this i was live streaming and that is where i look at today and i go why are you making this a story again because i'll be honest with you guys the only thing i wanted to talk about was the player press talks and then we were going to move on can we play a little bit of it please i'm hoping we would here's brady kachuk from the uh coming in hot clip this uh for uh from his media veil but this is him talking about the rumors yeah um not gonna lie it's pretty fucking bullshit um i mean i don't think anybody's pretty pretty happy about uh a narrative being spread like that that uh you know i think it's okay for people to critique our on ice performance but when it gets into family it's

it's pretty fucking bullshit so um it's it's embarrassing that uh it got to the point that it did and uh yeah i i could tell you for free i'm not i'm not happy about it one bit yeah there you go i'll tell you for free no i mean i wouldn't be happy either if i was him i wouldn't be happy here's what i don't get okay people were like well no this is this is them sticking up for their guys sticking up for okay they're sticking up for their guys sticking up for their guys how what's what's the problem that needs to be solved here let's talk through this let's figure this out with logic okay i don't know what answer you're looking for but i'll give you one no no you'll you'll get there i know okay all you got to do is tell the truth so what

is the problem what is the bullshit that is fucking what is the fucking bullshit that we're talking about the bullshit is i think the rumor yes right the rumor the rumor is bullshit and the rumor wait wait a sec the rumor oh is that the one how did that rumor get out uh it apparently a couple of posts on reddit and then a twitter account that was registered two hours before the senator's statement came out oh a twitter account random twitter account not nobody of consequence just a just a just a burner nobody of consequence well they have some consequence the team and the nhl team released a statement but oh but that's it right it was just some random on twitter that's apparently it oh okay weird well how come today ian wrote because we reached

a tip or here i'll start from here we go why would we bother to shed light on something that washinsky sixero and harrington didn't know about until we posted it why would we needlessly create a Streisand effect here. I like that he's addressing it head on because we reached a tipping point on Thursday where this absurd rumor had spread out of control in our markets. Our local media had been whispering about this for the better part of two weeks. National media members were also well aware of this storyline. Any attempts to shut this down via back channels weren't successful and the lie continued to spread unchecked until it spiraled out of control thursday i would be losing my mind if i was a player and you said that shit

into the public a second ago it was some asshole on twitter and now you're telling the whole world local and national media have been talking about this for what's this w word weeks two weeks we told you we knew about it but we would never have spoken about shut the fuck up one of the things that i thought was interesting is a comment i got on friday guys and jesse you'll know because you do this daily um uh somebody said well what happens if they don't make a statement and then um and then somebody like in the bedard cory perry situation from a couple years ago goes and asks a player about it and to me and tell me if i'm wrong here this guarantees we're asking players about it does it not it i don't think this would have been asked about by

the media in ottawa if if it wasn't that if this invited the questions to the players can i point something out that there is actually a tremendous amount of difference between this and the cory perry thing uh cory perry's contract was terminated yeah and people very rightly were like why so his multi i think it was four million dollar contract yeah two year four million each poof gone and he didn't even fight it whoa what the hell happened what transpired and people naturally are going to be like well what did cory perry do and i think it's absolutely right to ask questions about that now when you start asking he did fight it by the way and oh he did fight it yeah but then he dropped it right he he fought it and then it was settled outside of any public

no yeah so we don't know what happened there yeah but it is very different in that yes his contract was terminated at the time the blackhawks released the statement that he engaged in conduct that is unacceptable and in violation of both the terms of his standard players players contract and the blackhawks internal policies intended to promote professional and safe work environments when they terminated his contract they had to say he violated safe working environment yes that is much different then lean us all marks on uh ir for a personal reason and he's away from the team and respectfully it's the blackhawks so we're all like wowsers what happened there exactly on account of you know this didn't happen to the stars it didn't happen to the friggin go through a list of the

team that aren't the blackhawks right there's a reason we were asking questions i don't think these two situations are one and one no generally speaking with worth mentioning with the yeah of course but like with the exception of uh you know a couple twitter rumors uh all mark took his leave from the team and most people were like yeah do your thing man yep not too dissimilar to the way joseph wall took his leave from the leafs earlier yeah and then it was like okay well i'll move on they said he's the branch of living came out and was like hey we're not gonna answer any questions on joseph wall and why he's gone and then that was it and then we just waited till he came back And the Leafs were kind of in free fall while Wool was gone.

But what if at that time somebody tweeted that there was a big rumor about Joseph Wool being away? I don't know. I don't know. Then we'd have to derail everything. I guess I'm surprised it didn't happen here with all the crazy mean people. The biggest cope I've seen online is that this is coming from Toronto and Montreal. Like, stop. the senators literally just said that it's a it's it's been asked about for two weeks from

the local media oh my god i'd be losing my mind how is that protecting the players putting that shit out there again like a lot of these stories just fall to pieces when you actually know the details so what are you doing saying that wischinski responded by the way and he said appreciate ian adding context to clarify number one i was well aware of the rumors before the senator's statement which is why i was shocked they'd give it that much oxygen yes which has been our opinion too number two if local media requests fueled the statement wouldn't it be less incendiary to simply send it to them and and instead of posting it on their twitter now ian does mention in that in that statement that they had tried to put it to bed with local media

i don't know who these people i don't know who they would have been i don't know but none of them said anything did they not one of them said a thing until the Sens did and now it's like well an NHL team released a statement we have to talk you're not going to talk your way into this being a good idea respectfully it's a horrible idea and if I was a player on that team I'd be mortified at the way that they're handling it this is not making things better and the players at all the players said publicly you know we appreciate them making the statement and making us feel like they we had our back and it's kind of echoes what elliot friedman said on 32 thoughts on friday as much as i disagree with that stance it seems to be what they think internally and this isn't

and i want to be clear about this because we are from toronto we are you know i'm openly fans we know that this is this isn't a shot at we're not it like if this was any market we'd be saying the same thing we say is disqualified based on the fact that we're from toronto what are you doing here yeah i what are you doing here then i think what has to happen here is they gotta stop making this the top story and and with no disrespect to ian because i actually i really like ian i think he's a great writer one doesn't matter people you like make i don't i don't need his perspective on it i've never gotten our pr's perspective on anything the steve the leafs have done i'm fascinated by his perspective i'm fascinated by but this is this is where it breathes oxygen into

it can you imagine the toronto maple leafs pr guy uh who you guys know uh i don't know him as well as you guys do no can you imagine him putting out a blog post here's why we don't talk about injuries i wish he would me too ian does this every monday i know right i know it's they're coming with a different strategy and i don't feel like it's i don't want to criticize that for having a different way approach to dealing with your fan base i assume a lot of senators fans appreciate mendez's monday musings and would like and lease fans might like something like that but it's just two different organizations taking different approaches but my point jesse is that it brought it back to the top story of our show yes no i i'm not talking about the mentioning of

the statement oh i'm talking about just the idea of a pr person having a blog no i don't hate that I don't hate that at all. I want to differentiate. I don't hate that at all. I think it's just this particular story. I'm like, maybe take a Monday off on this one. Right? Like you guys have stated a lot.

And then it was number one all weekend long in terms of interest and story and whatever. And here's the thing. It doesn't even matter now what happened. Because the story is not the rumor now. The story is the handling of the rumor. And I'll be honest with you. I think this was fumbled from the start. I'll take the Sens at their word.

Oh, yeah. Honestly, we told you this Friday. I don't even care. I don't even care. People cheat. People do things. I don't know. I don't care.

It's none of my business. I care about, and Brady's right, care about what happens on the ice. And I told you, if there's a fist fight in the dressing room like Pedersen Miller, yeah, I'm interested in that. What they do at home or on the road, at the bars, wherever they go, restaurants, Tinder,

I don't care. I don't care. Sure. but when the senators chose to step in here and do this that's the story for me and and it to me does give me a little bit of an insight into how decisions are made there i think i think it it can't you can't look at this and go i don't i haven't learned something about the senators today i certainly have yeah i mean it so you're like you're talking about how this is the number one story with the sense the number one story with the league let's delete it okay

it's gone okay what's the number one story with the sense uh four game losing streak steve four game losing and james remember signing a car and their mentions being flooded with fire stayos fire green that's the number one story like part of me goes is part of the strategy that this is somewhat advantageous smoke screen from a you're hoping to galvanize the room or galvanize the fan base and us versus them sort of thing well then it might work it might i don't know you play the panthers it's a close one you're trying shit you know you're bringing in a goalie uh i don't know that's better than this nonsense like i i know that james reimer's first win against the maple leafs is gonna just hit ottawa like uh just i'm pretty sure his best record in his career is

in that building okay well there you go it's already it's already a slam dunk then i hate it i hate it him in a sense uniform oh god yeah knock it off but you know i i think i don't know where i don't know where they go from here but i feel like this story has finally exhausted itself even for them and you know it was interesting was if i if i'm not mistaken was lena salmark not in a private box on saturday night uh i saw that he was in one last week i don't know about last night i read a tweet that he was in one last night but like but he wasn't with the scratches so most people don't just look at random tweets and go yeah for sure that happened yeah so i saw that and i went okay yeah okay all right what did you think about uh what did you guys think about what

Brady said, what Tim Stutzla said, what David Perron said, the fact that Steve Steyos, after making that, did not speak to the media. I know he spoke behind the scenes to the media, but he did not get in front of a microphone. I feel like, and I'm just going to be straight about this, as a general manager, if you're making a statement like that, you have to be prepared for follow-up questions at a scrum. This is going to be extraordinarily popular or extraordinary extraordinarily unpopular in ottawa leaders lead from the front so a random twitter account puts this out there it starts spreading in like pockets of online but again you can't bring this up in social circles you can't bring this up at work and sound like

anything but a weirdo oh yeah did you hear this rumor oh what is it and then you tell them the rumor oh man where'd you see that oh an account on twitter that existed for two hours or a reddit account no you sound like a loser saying that try explaining that to your neighbor your 48 year old neighbor and see how you sound they'll just be like oh okay well that's weird then your gm puts out the statement which now gives everyone free reign to ask about it and now who's got to field those questions the players that's not leadership that's not leadership you don't release a statement three four hours after that on mid game was steos not at that game i don't know but it was right before they took the ice in in colorado right because they had a late game oh right so

it wasn't mid game but just before even better it was mid leaf game so it's pre sense game even better yeah so it makes the leaf broadcast and then it makes the sense broadcast right uh steos could have gotten in front of those cameras and those mics himself i know he was there yesterday like literally present but wasn't on camera wasn't on mic you let the players take those bullets and i think that's a tough position to put them in That's what we said from the beginning is this is a really tough position to put the players in. And then it got worse. I get Michael and our not speaking.

I don't think this statement goes out without his approval, but I get why he doesn't speak. He's the owner. We always say, hey, owner shouldn't say as much. I never expect to hear from the owner. But Jesse, you've been in enough scrums to know at this point, you're probably not surprised by this. Are you that that's the house didn't come out and maybe talk publicly? No. And I think based on like the fallout from the initial statement and their letter on their Twitter account, that is probably best to try and move on from it and not follow up and create more conversation around it. So if you're if if the Ottawa senators were shocked by the reaction and they didn't expect it to be this and and people disagreeing with the way they handled it so much, you probably want to just move on and not follow up with another news conference about it and answer more questions on it.

So I understand the strategy post statement of not fueling it more with more conversation. okay okay well listen there was more though it just wasn't from him yeah exactly yeah so you don't add to it by lending more words to it because then it's just more of your statement well this is what i'm saying it's just don't have a statement in the first place yes but but i'm talking about after that yeah that's already done yeah that yes that would be the first thing to do that's patient zero um but you need to after that i think you don't add to it Now, currently, the Senators are last in the Atlantic, but I'll tell you how they put this story away.

They get a back-to-back this week. Can you guess the teams they're playing? Leafs-Habs. No, but... No, you know it's not Leafs. Yeah, it's not Leafs. Oh, right. They're in the West.

I don't know. Who is it? Senators-Canucks Tuesday. Oh, baby. So there's an opportunity. Yeah. And the Canucks are struggling. And then Senators-Rangers the next day.

Oh, baby. Two teams that are struggling. Put four points on the board. yeah I mean both teams just need to win so damn bad but I think it's over for the Rangers and I think we all know that it's over I'm it's over I don't think are in white flag territory I don't think at all I don't think they are either at all Rangers are right there Canucks are yeah they told everybody Canucks have been there for months they only figured it out recently I do wish that I'd paid a little bit more attention to the Spangler this year because Reimer was the starting

goalie yeah uh and they did not get far so i'm curious about james reimer does he get a start i mean they just signed him does he start one of these two games you have to think he does and does he pull out a crazy win and then are the vibes back in ottawa because that's how quickly it can turn january guys is going to it's going to come at you like a freight train it already is january 12th already for everyone in terms of hockey if you're watching hockey there's games every other night if you're a team with significant injuries this is going to be crazy it's going to a long month for you so i think the senators get it back on track you put you get you get uh three of four or four or four points and this all goes away i don't think forever and ever they're they're

not bad enough to be here no they just need a goalie i don't know if if anyone in the atlantic has been bad enough to be here like uh look at who has held last place over the last month buffalo Toronto now Ottawa who else has been last place I don't know Boston Boston was last but yeah nobody's bad enough for that does the Atlantic have a bad team no but they don't have a great team well lightning might be if you look at their goal differential they're pretty right like it's it's a tough division right now okay I'm really excited for this one I'm really excited for this one fan zone now fan zone uh fan zone scoreboards uh reached out to us because they want people to know that you can get a real life scoreboard in your basement, in your bar, in your garage,

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tightly contested game. Sens made it close in the final minute, making it 3-2, but then obviously the Panthers, I think, were able to score the empty net, or were they not? It doesn't even matter. Panthers won. they were up 3-1 I don't know if they ever got the empty net they won yeah so uh then um the the real thing to come out of that game other than the loss was this hit Carter Verhage uh and this hit

in in let's let's pretend Artem Zub knows Carter Verhage is there even if he doesn't even if he does know he's there this is a boarding call 10 times out of 10 and this hit was assessed for a major so they could review it and then they made it a minor i uh i think boarding should be a minor such a small percentage of the time most of the time it should be a major yeah like or four minutes at least like this is uh this is an ugly hit so for anybody not uh who's listening uh verhege and Zub are in the corner the puck has skirted around uh to the it's it's the bottom right corner of the senator's ice Zub is about three feet away from the boards Verhege is right behind him and as Zub goes for the puck uh Verhege basically pushes him in the midsection and Zub does the

Bobby Orr right into the Desjardins sign in the in the boards leave it there oh damn like look at his fucking neck oh my god dude that's that's an awful hit awful awful hit right into the end boards and look who it is look who it is it's not even just that it's carter verhage it's the panthers although it's funny people were like he is not this type of player and tampa bay fans were like he is absolutely of course he's that type of player they all are atlantic fans are atlantic division fans are ganging up on the panthers like friggin the avengers and i mean right now they're thanos right three straight cup finals there's stanley reigning stanley cup champions back to back this being called a major being reviewed for a minor uh or reviewed to be a minor and then not

even getting fined or talked about or suspended or nothing the next day is so bad. And I reached out to, I reached out to someone, um, in hockey media, like outside of, you know, our little echo chamber and i'm like okay let's have a conversation i need to ask you a question like as a as a as a peer so this hit went viral online actually viral and everyone was talking about it and there was footage of it and we saw it happen was it just a twitter account yeah no no statement here though and i think most people would have preferred it we got last year matthew nyes got hit people didn't know why it wasn't a suspension the nhl department of player safety released a video about why that was a back white cloud hit

yes yeah they didn't have to do that for us they did it i appreciate that they did it and they are never going to do it again ever for the rest of our lives they did a kindness once we still hate them and so they're like you know what why are we doing the extra work if they're going to hate us anyway well because you're wrong but also i appreciated it at the time i didn't hate you for that anyway this happens it goes viral and my question was okay so i don't know why it's a minor and not a major and the person i spoke to is a former player i go why is that a minor and not a major he goes i don't know so okay you got podcasting idiot who doesn't know because of course he doesn't know

but then you got player who doesn't know what are you going to say of course he doesn't know he doesn't know because it's unjustifiable who do we reach out to who is the conduit to the fans that the fans are sitting there at your door right like imagine the nhl like an ice cream truck right and you're there and you got your money and you're so excited for ice cream ice cream is hockey in this analogy right you're you're standing there and you're so excited for ice cream and you start to ask questions about the ice cream because there's actually no signage

on the ice cream truck and you go can i have some ice cream and they go yeah and you go what kind do you have and you go and they go just give me your money that's essentially what's happening here you why isn't this a hit or what why isn't this a five why isn't this a fine why isn't this suspension those are questions we're just throwing out into the ether and who answers it who answers it do we talk to gary okay do we talk to bill daly okay do we talk to colin campbell okay do we talk to george peros okay do we talk to ryan getzlaff no uh he's too busy doing podcasts about how toronto is the devil so who do we speak to about things we don't understand about a sport that we want to understand better and spend more money on and spend more passion on and attention

on no one we just have to shut up and eat our slop when it comes to this hit jesse is there anything that you see that goes that i could see why they didn't call that yeah if i look at the miko rantanen hit from earlier on alexander romanoff earlier when he wasn't suspended it's a very similar boarding play i thought this should have been a suspension at the time i thought his subsequent boarding penalty should have also been a suspension but the department of player safety did not think either of those were suspension worthy but go ahead well i was gonna say the one bit of defense here is like there's no speed limit on the ice rantanen is going for a puck he kind of trips over 24 there on the islanders i forget who's 24 and uh he hits

romanoff it's bad it's very very bad and the boarding itself like the actual collision is very very similar to this the difference is verhagey's going much slower and has no obstacles in his way to say oh i lost my footing or whatever no he just goes in straight and creams the guy totally so everyone got up in arms about this uh ranting and thing i think what verhagey did is worse the the difference i guess uh is zoob isn't out five six months yeah yeah the injury is different romanov is gonna miss more months with this injury than there have been suspensions this season there have been four or sorry there have been four hearings and ranting and got one game because he got kicked out of back-to-back games so that's five even still it won't be it won't

match it so in terms of the defense for the partner player safety i think that's where they would try to give some sort of hey this is why we did that in this case with verhage but i look at this incident and i say okay here um ranting in he was given a match penalty which is different than the call on Verhege that was two minutes for boarding in this subsequent game also a match penalty also a boarding call and then earlier in the season in a game that Verhege was in and also laid a vicious check in J.J. Moser was suspended two games for boarding and it was a little more malicious than the Verhege play but throughout this entire season their defense for anything they've done in this case for verhage it starts to crumble when you look at how they've tried to

be consistent with the way they've called anything throughout this entire season who is the jj moser hit against it was in the same game like i said it was i don't remember the player uh who he checked what was the team the panthers yes i mentioned verhage was also in that game and laid a vicious hit yeah no no i just for emphasis yeah yeah for emphasis um so i don't think there's any defend this is the moser play by the way that received two games so the department of player safety looks at this play on boquist this is terrible it's a terrible hit it is much more malicious than the verhege play but at the end of the day he was moser was suspended for boarding which i think this is a malicious boarding but the other one i think it's probably a game probably a

fine at least a misconduct in the game for verhege and i think it's ridiculous that he's given nothing i don't think there is nearly three games worth of difference no between these two hits that's exactly it this is two games and the other is two minutes and that to me is so inconsistent and the incorrect way to manage your game in terms of penalties for the players on the ice so um I was, I was told about Hanlon's razor when I, when I brought up my conspiracy theory about Colin Campbell and how he's a disgrace and doesn't belong anywhere near the NHL. He should literally be blackballed and he's in the frigging hall of fame. It's a disgrace. So I brought that up and they're like, well, have you ever heard of Hanlon's razor? and it's basically um you know people use malice to try to explain what can just as easily be explained by uh incompetence the nhl never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity there you go oh that's even better that's i should

have just read it i just googled it thank you any relation to hanlon's point no you're in toronto none oh do they that's isn't that the nude beach do they share i'm pretty sure hitler's point that where you lost your ring uh no no that was woodbine beach yeah yeah they don't they don't share any brotherhood hand the two hanlon no so the razor and the point no is the league rigged in the panthers favor well it's that's a sexy headline more likely they're just bad um they're just so bad uh and the panthers are smart because they're like girl murder is in and they just play that style because the nhl saw the four nation face off last year and like a lot of americans only acknowledge the round robin game and they said violence sells and

one day is someone going to break their neck sure ah but that day hasn't arrived yet so let the good times roll that's what they've decided this is how we make money this is how we get people to pay attention beginning middle end unless it the the one little hitch in the giddy up though in in so i want to let go of the colin campbell thing i do i want to but wait a minute why was the sposer why was jj moser given a two-game suspension then no no i thought this was in oh yeah we're trying to sell that but wait a sec you do punish some people though who are those people what what do they do and who do they do it against colin campbell got caught trying to influence his son's games was never punished for it and

the question i asked was what reason is there to believe that he ever stopped never got a good answer from anyone so we'll leave it at that since fans i do think you got a little job there now uh we got to go to there's a few other things we got to get to on today's show the toronto maple leaves obviously uh have now claimed 16 of 18 points since mark savard was let go crazy uh they have the number one power play and the number one penalty kill in the entire league since december 27th excuse me so they a couple of games after savard was fired um and listen i don't know that you can say hey that that'll last but i don't know that you can't somebody's got to come first and i look at what they're doing especially on the pk and i go well that seems sustainable

because it's just smart plays sometimes power plays down to luck and finishing and you're not where players at with their confidence they're not getting blatantly bailed out by the goalie every time right although their safe percentage is very high yeah yeah uh the the game on saturday night featured some i mean listen the vancouver canucks are where they are right no last last and so you know we got to be careful about this but I'm looking at the stretch here and what I'm seeing are we talking about the Leafs here or the Canucks uh the Leafs okay okay what I'm seeing from the stretch is a team that's got its confidence back its ability to believe in itself and they were scoring before William Nylander came back and he comes back and in

the first half an hour he's on the ice he's got three points he didn't even have the greatest like like there were moments in that game where you're like william right the too many men penalty william three points he was easing himself back into action yeah yeah yeah that's a good way to put a test run for willie out there on saturday but they didn't need more than that he played 13 minutes yeah it was this is fine three points casual three yeah now very casual for him this is going to be a crazy week and steve i believe you're doing the stream on thursday night are you not yes yes because that is the mitch marner game that's the first of it mitch no friday night that's friday night oh wait no it's thursday right sorry following the home

game when he's back home so there's two avalanche games and two vegas games and they're both very close together and it's screwing up my stupid so leafs avalanche tonight that's going to be a big game leafs mammoth mammoth are not a exciting they're not an easy thing what's that exciting or interesting you don't think they're exciting or interesting no what yeah no i uh no no uh sorry you we adam i need a side quest i need permission for a side quest go did you see the whistling in utah oh where the fans are whistling in the arena i need a side quest i need your permission before i go off and go go off on it go so all the fans were whistling and it was weird and it was interesting and it was the first time i had heard anything about

utah in weeks and i said hey that's kind of neat the next day the players are asked about it and they're like yeah it's kind of annoying to be honest i wish they'd stop so two things before you continue your side quest let me play the whistling maddie i'm gonna play the audio you can't play the video and then i'll play the reaction from a player i think please please do so here's the whistling that you can hear in utah at the delta center everybody whistling i love this this is something new at delta center all right that's the whistling that goes on during play i love it that was they are playing hockey and everybody's whistling so lawson kraus was asked no okay fine this let me let

let's give everybody the contact pull up clayton keller after i can do that too yeah okay so this is uh from cole badgley lawson krause's ass hey what do you think of the whistling yeah it's a little funny but i at times it is a little bit distracting when you're out there but yeah it's definitely interesting i didn't really know what it was and then i started noticing it in the last game i really stuck out and we're kind of all like what the heck is that is it disruptive for you guys and i know that obviously referees have their whistles and line changes can be done with whistle yeah at times it is for sure i think especially when you're sitting on the bench and trying to follow the play and um you kind of hear it in the corner of your ear and you're

trying to focus on the game it does become a little bit confusing at times so the reason i say bring up clayton keller is i don't have too much of a problem with what kraus said what keller honest so he's just being honest yeah was it disruptive yeah what i'm sitting there it's a little much you asked him he told you this is clayton keller who is about to go to the olympics talking about the fans making noise and having fun at the game they paid to be at no you're you're confusing things what these are home fans and he's telling them it's a little distracting here we go this is what clayton keller had to say pretty disruptive to be honest um i don't know where it's uh coming from but if they can maybe quiet that down and do it

after the game or before the game um but a lot of us have noticed it and um yeah i think it'd be better if it was not a thing to be honest It's like, I don't know how you do something like this. Have you ever heard anything like that before? No, I haven't. No, I played in Arizona. I've seen it, I guess, and it was pretty annoying, yeah. He wants to go back so bad.

He wants to go back to a plywood dressing room and no fans. So do your rant, and I'm going to tell you why you're wrong. The reason that stuff stresses me out so much is we have hitched our wagon to the NHL and its teams and its stars. And at every point, at every turn, they tell fans to go fuck themselves. And I hate it. And I think fans hate it too. anytime the nhl tries the nhl and its fans try to have any fun at all they are criticized for it and told you're not needed here i'm so sick of it i hate it the first thing i thought of

was that famous clip where nicole yokich is asked about the fans in miami booing him and oh how are you going to deal with that and he goes i played in serbia brother and then it cuts to clips of fans tearing the building down in serbia i don't know how those buildings are still standing i i look at soccer games in south america and soccer games in europe and and uh basketball games in europe and even some hockey games in europe and i go is there just something wrong with us do we suck well what if we just suck we have a different approach i would say different approach whether it sucks is subjective if the world was uh one if you could condense the world into a house party would anyone invite us and want to we are a bit of a stick in the mud but

the whole society here was based on puritans in the 1600s let's be honest oh lord you can see where it's sort of the tut tutting comes from i was so so completely turned off by that jesse why am i wrong in general i 100 agree with you yeah but in this specific instance he's asking his home fans to not make it worse for the home team which i think is a thing that is done normally across pro sports like i don't feel like he's doing anything that's out of turn when it's if it's a football if it's football you cheer when the road team is trying to call their plays and you're quiet when your home team is trying to call your play yeah same with basketball free throws That's advantageous to the home team.

The Clippers have built the Intuit Dome, so it is more distracting for the road team, and then everything is pristine for the home team. If he's saying, hey, this is distracting for your own team, and you're making it harder for them to win games, I think he should say that. Do you disagree with that? Find another way to call out your line.

He also said, could you please do it in between? He didn't say shut up. can you do it before or after the game yeah if if they have a particular way they if it's like hurting your own team he's allowed he should say that should he not i'm gonna read you a tweet that cole badgley himself sent out who's that he the guy the guy that gave us he's the reporter he's like the mammoth reporter and he and he's he works for the team sure but to have him saying this i think is a little unfair because he said collectively the players do not like the whistling and it is a huge distraction if you want to support the team please do not whistle

here's what here's the solve here if utah as an organization has an issue with this don't put the players in front of it put an announcement out before the game and say we love your passion can you please find a different way because it's distracting because i think there are some i don't know that this is necessarily true but there's some speculation online about some play some coaches when they want a line change they'll whistle because players lose track of the time out there and it happens and so they can't yeah that's not speculation yeah yeah so i believe them so they can't hear the coaches or whatever okay and i and we can compare this to europe till we're blue in the face and believe me i love doing that sure but the reality

of the situation is we're not europe and these guys are used to not having people at their games yes also literally how is play stopped and started by a whistle thank you yeah so it doesn't sound like a human i think i think and and this is coming from a guy who likes to criticize team pr statements this might have been a good time for one why are we putting lawson kraus and clayton keller in front of this when the team has a pr team has a digital insider in cole badgley why don't they just make that statement and why don't they say that on the jumbotron at center ice before everything and then you clear it up because now you've you've opened your players up to criticism for criticizing the fans and you never want to put the players if you're pr in a position

to criticize the fans ever if it can be helped like austin matthews getting mad at the leaf fans for not getting up for ryan reeves's one fight last year i thought that was weird or whatever understood but i get it but i was so turned off yeah it's also like what are we what are we pretending here that ryan reeves is a huge part of the on ice product for the toronto maple leaves like what are we doing what back then this is back last year remember when austin was like well the crowd didn't get up for reeves the way that they saw and his first fight of the year several months yeah yeah and and listen if you and we'll go back to the leafs in a second if you saw the domi fight on saturday night crowd got up for that yeah because he was playing well and he fought when

we talk about how to handle pr this one is a mishandle for me this is a misfire if utah has an issue then it is on the organization to take care of that you are the one that sets the tone with your fans the players are trying to play the game and they're trying to do what they can to sell the game in your market don't put them in a position where they have to tut tut the fans that's where i think utah screwed up here i don't have it and that's why you're upset about it because it's it's coming from the players and the players are saying well it's distracting whatever they just got off the ice the words are not perfect i think steve would have been upset either way yes but i feel like i feel like what you do is you redirect yeah i don't like it you

redirect shut up you redirect it and go we love chance we love clapping we love cheering the whistles do distract from our ability to get the right lines on the ice pick anything else we'll get to pick anything else redirect that's all you got to do okay fine yeah pick anything else yeah but what that statement and i feel bad for keller here a little bit because again he's just got off the ice but it makes it seem like oh please don't come to the building that's how that statement let's just go back to the bubble right yeah and i don't go back to the bubble i don't think that's a good position to put the players in and i think utah should have probably got out in front of this that's that would be my but i i like i understood what he was saying i

didn't take it like he doesn't want to play in front of fans i hated his tone i what if that's just how he talks that might just like people like i don't expect he talks like a brat i don't expect hockey players to be personable when there's a mic in front of them they've never well i i do actually that's where i'm different they've never i know they never have i feel like that's a wrong expectation for these people they are hockey players i expect that they should maybe they won't they are hockey players first not radio personalities well but you know what jesse that's where i i think the nhl is wrong i don't expect hockey players to have entertainment value but other other other sports do and you should see how much bigger they are

right this is some of those players also don't like not every nba play yeah it's exciting it's true i get it what if kawaii was like hey i don't want you guys to be waving a giant foam finger or a giant tree branch that says hey plant trees when i'm trying to shoot a free throw because it's distracting i'd be like yeah that's probably hurting your own team and making free throw yeah yeah yeah but don't make the players do it that's my point yeah i don't make the players at all that's my the approach to the how we're getting this message is probably the wrong way yes i was just like utah and why are we making all places where you should be rolling you're still in red carpet yeah you should always be in red carpet territory but you should be rolling

at the red carpet for those fans well why are they having cole badgley set out a pr message like what i was doing here i was just like can someone anyone sell this fucking sport yeah holy shit and on that i agree with you that's why i think don't make the players do it now also i would love to know how the whistling started i would too came up with that i would too or better yet just never fucking do it again no that's way better is there an interesting backstory or should everyone just shut the fuck up he was i think everyone should just shut the fuck up he was asked hey is that whistling a little distracting and he was like yeah it is yeah he was asked the question you're you're upset at him for being asked the question and responding honestly yeah

i i think it speaks to i think for steve it speaks to a larger a larger thing what if his response sucks of uh uh of players would love to make their money and never have any fans there which i think is the prevailing thought 7.15 mil or only be there when we're doing well i think that's quite the jump like i i heard lawson kraus talk and i'm like yeah he said that's i've never heard that before it's distracting and those are a fan i didn't have a problem with the way kraus put it see no you're just upset at clayton keller's attitude in his answer yeah well andy's clayton keller like it he's the star of that team it matters more but both guys just said the same thing in different tones yeah it matters i i heard that and i just like yeah he answered a question

and i don't expect his tone to be perfect well here jesse here's the good news it's hockey and no one saw it okay let's move on please two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. Hey, Steve, Jesse Blake looks pretty handsome today, don't you think?

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Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. Toronto Maple Leafs. Toronto Maple Leafs. uh saturday night uh fans did get up for a a domey fight and when we talk about uh i don't even really need to get into the game it's the vancouver canucks they're not having a great season thatcher demko immediately goes on the ir during this game yeah uh which i feel horrible for canucks fans it's like everything sucks right now six shot and i felt bad for him and they they really like and lincoln came in did an okay job but he's had a bad year

first year of a five-year deal like this is just compounding we also found out on friday and i confirmed this with rick dolly while that there's rumors out there they tried to give a vanderkane back to the oilers like it's just the canucks leave that period with the lead nine times out of ten you mean the first one yeah yeah yeah they yep outshot them 15 to 6 and had four power plays and all legitimate power plays too there were too many men's two too many men's and two high sticks they were definite power plays and a near full two minute four on three because uh mccabe like just tried to rearrange patterson's face yep yeah oh yeah you know like game management oh come on you've already given them here let's see the replay oh yeah thank god for the penalty

kill yep thank man i i was the leafs did everything in their power to hand that to the canucks and they were down three nothing i found vancouver to be not a slow moving team but it's slow moving the puck they can't make a pass their their passes go nowhere and the leafs who aren't a quick team were able to just feast on any opportunity that they had when vancouver trying to work through the neutral zone or like enter the zone like everything was being broken up and the leafs aren't that like i don't know i didn't expect the leafs to look like that but against competition that can't compete on that level with the Leafs.

The Leafs look great. Yeah. And yeah, like you said, they were doing everything to give Vancouver this game, but Vancouver couldn't take advantage of any of it. No. It was a really poor effort by them. I think they're just not very good.

And so I want to go, as I was saying, I want to go more on the track of where they are versus what this game was. I saw somebody tweet this, and I forget who it is. I think it might be Sam McKee, But he said, or was it Michael Amato? Michael Amato, who's a great fantasy follow on hockey Twitter. Michael said, against all odds, the Toronto Maple Leafs have become likable.

And I want to talk about. It's a great tweet. I want to talk about that a little bit, because this was something we talked about last year. And when the Leafs were struggling at the beginning of this season, people were like, you know, took the cheap shot of, well, you got what you wanted. You wanted Marner out. and you know one thing that i noticed was there was the domey fight and then there was the easton cowan scrum where he's trying to fight but the linesmen are getting in the way almost fight and domey loved it and he's slamming a stick on the thing and you could see him like this guy fucking

rocks like he said something like that about easton cowan one of the things that we saw when the jays went to the world series was a really likable team that liked each other and the entire city got behind it the toronto maple leafs the last couple of years have felt like we're gonna play here despite our dislike of the fans whether or not that's true that's how it felt and i do think you know it's been openly talked about now even cj said it last week what ran marner or what is perceived to have run run marner out of town was not the media but the social media right that's what that was sort of what was said on the cj show sure um this is where you hire a social media manager but i i i digress no just dm when we have when we have talked about the least we're

talking about this time last year we were talking about yeah but none of it matters until they show us in the playoffs right none of it matters right this year that's not the conversation no this year everybody's just in the moment again watching the team and over this last little bit you see like incredible gutsy efforts like scott lawton against philadelphia and then again against vancouver you know he's i think he's run of his last 60 or 80 face-offs he's run one like he's only lost like five or six of them he's on a crazy crazy run um austin matthews is scoring again uh we didn't talk about william nailing because he wasn't even playing but he is back and that's exciting he didn't play and he had three points you had to put bobby mcmahon on

the fourth line because uh because willie came back where else do you put them and where else do you put them yeah the third line you put bobby mcmahon on the fourth line because you don't want to break up the robertson cow and wah line and they continue to go out there and cause trouble and create great scoring chances troy stetcher is probably the the most popular toronto maple leafs defenseman i've seen since like i don't know dimitri uskevich like he is people happy will die for this guy oh yeah and and it's funny because if you're listening to this and you're like an oiler fan you're like troy troy stetcher uh or flames oh they've been watching or vancouver fans because he played for all three teams it's there is what we were talking about in previous

years on this show was there a there was a character likability problem they were they're highly paid underachievers in an ivory tower and all we know about them is they hate you or at least that's how it felt it sure is and well and isn't isn't that what matters most this year when i see easton cowan score the overtime goal i watch nick robertson who requested a trade 18 months ago mob him yes uh when i see easton cowan getting into a fight again easton Cowan's a rookie and and Max Domi and all the other guys going yeah let's go let's go boys I see Max Domi in a fight with his tongue out of his mouth smiling at a guy who is six or seven inches taller than him Marcus Patterson is six five Max Domi's five ten it's crazy and he and

he beat and he filled him with both fists Domi is a little over 200 pounds Patterson is 175 that's why they have weight classes and not height classes right yeah and you see goaltending starting to come together oh my god and and so i just wanted to i wanted steve and i get to watch from home but i want to start with jesse on this one jesse you saw obviously the game in person on saturday night you also saw morgan riley and scott lawton chirping easton cowan down the hallway in the post game on on thursday night in philadelphia because of that tiktok right where he was dancing yeah that was in philly that was in philly but you have seen this year's team a little bit up further up close than most of us have do you sense a difference in that dressing room yeah they're

definitely right now well it's the winning they're winning like that's seven oh and two that's that's at the end of the day it's everything if they're winning everything's fine everybody likes you when you're not when you're getting points in every single game you don't drop any losses in regulation like that's that's the long and the short of it with the least team and liking them and i i don't know if it should be the mentality of every least fan to not get too ahead of themselves sure because we've seen how this team operates for the last i don't know 100 years of toronto maybe it's hockey and that this is a really good three-week stretch yes but let's not write the season narrative on that this is a real test here the western a pair of western road trips

and then you head into the olympic break 100 like there's plenty of time for this to go in either direction where they win the division and who knows what happens after that or they go back to mediocre so i think it's it's been great vibes from everybody top down in that organization bradshaw living is probably very happy with everything that's happened and craig berube is not looking at uh the openings around the league anymore and everything's good but let's not write the entire season and say this is how it's gonna be and that we now like the leafs uh permanently moving forward it does feel more likable though like we have to say that right does this not feel better yeah it is the winning but they were winning last year and they didn't

feel likable so i'm sorry it isn't just the winning it's not it's not expected winning that was expected they set a standard last year last year meant nothing yeah like in terms of the regular season it was oh we expect them to win we'll see how we get to playoffs and that's it this year it's different different vibes all coming into this year and then they start off dog shit and then they rebound and now that they've rebounded everything's fine again the Leafs played something between 250 and 350 consecutive meaningless regular season games. Yes.

And it had an effect on the way we look at the team and the psyche of the fan base. How so? We just lived for April every year. Well, okay, they won last night on February 3rd or whatever. All right. how did they do in April? Oh,

they won their home opener. Love that. 81 games to go. How are they going to do in April? And the answer nearly every April was pretty shit. And then sometimes we were blessed enough that may showed up and it wasn't much better twice. Actually,

we were blessed enough that may showed up and they lost in such spectacular fashion both times that it completely wiped out their first round victory even a game seven loss oh my holy that was so bad though it wipes the good of the series yeah like the game five and seven you keep bringing it up adam but jesse and i after game four i think it was or was it game game five game five where we described how it was gonna go you said they get their ass kicked we're like they're going to win they did and they're going to get killed and they did yes uh they're playing meaningful games now yes because they need to win these games and they are doing it which is really cool sometimes like people people have been like let's say the leaves do

end up making the playoffs is this stretch that they've gone through the worst thing for them obviously not right this is the first bit of real adversity they've faced in years nine years since probably this is their first bit of post-covid adversity yeah yeah literally yep yeah in the regular season you know let's see what they're made of let's see what they're made of and i mean tonight tonight's going to be an interesting test like colorado oh yeah so flipping good but a month ago the answer to what are they made of is a bad hockey team they are made of a bad bad hockey team right yeah so like i feel like as we sit here today leafs awesome like leafs awesome fantastic but to think like oh this is just gonna continue forever i can't say

that i think if they if they lost a bunch of games on this road trip and then the next road trip and Morgan Riley has a breakaway and he misses the net completely, you're going to come on here and be like, this guy needs to wave his no move and get rid of him. I still think he might. And then all of a sudden, they're not likable anymore. So I'm not really set on the narrative around it. But to say, Jesse, that it's not different from the previous,

I do think it's an important distinction. I do think people are liking these and whatever the reasons may be. Today. Today. Yes. and listen there's no permanence in sports so saying today it's like well yeah you can say that anytime but my point is this is a there is a likable character quality to this team that we haven't seen before and i'm saying that's that can that'll be very fleeting

if they lose if like no matter what happens it's it's that's a that's a feeling that's in the air right now and that's cool you know but that's it i assume we're going to talk about the devils and we talked about like okay but what if this happens and then so far all of it has happened and we knew what we expected at the end of it. Leafs, vibes are at an all-time high right now. You got Colorado in Colorado tonight. You're lucky to get out of there with a point. You probably lose based on how many games have they lost in regulation?

Is it zero? At home, zero. Zero. Yeah. Undefeated at home in regulation so far this season. Zero's a pretty low number. I don't know if you can get lower. Right?

and you could people would be like oh they've been hot they lost they've been hot it's colorado ah all right next night you play loot uh utah whistling utah whistling utah and no one's whistling anymore so they win eight nothing uh-oh and no they whatever they win now you've lost two straight and you're like you know what i expected the utah the colorado loss Utah stings a bit and then you have a day off and then it's Vegas and cannot you cannot lose that game let's just call it what it is you can't lose you want to win that game very very very badly if you have a bad road trip here where you go for three vibes are gone so is your uh playoff spot at least by points percentage Kevin Pappetti pointed that out today they're

in a playoff spot five points percentage wait i was like hey it's good but ultimately you need to to get those points um i don't think they're gonna go for three no but it's like jesse said it's fleeting you gotta earn your place in this league every day i love the 25 toronto blue jays to even compare them to this leafs team i think is is offside that wasn't comparable i wasn't saying that it was comparable but what what it was in october when we were talking about it and we said this openly was the Jays were amazing and likable and you liked every single person separately for their own thing. The Leafs were extraordinarily unlikable.

Yeah. And I'm saying like, that's a team that's likability is set in cement and this is one that's set in sleet. Okay. All right. Interestingly enough, every,

the Toronto Maple Leafs are on like a, just a torrid stretch here. Seven, one and two in their last 10. And so is everybody ahead of them. That's so annoying. Montreal is six, two and two in their last 10.

And Tampa is on a nine-game winning streak, 9-1-0 in their last 10. And Detroit is 7-2-1, and they're on a three-game winning streak. So, you know, it's just one of those things. The Leafs have not lost in regulation for nine straight games. They have lost ground on the Lightning.

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Now, the other thing we got to talk about is Chris Johnson in Milan. This rink story kind of blew up a little bit. I mean, it's blown up a few times, but Chris tweeted about the quality of the ice on Friday and people got mad at him because he said there was a hole in the ice. And sometimes that happens when you got new ice in. But we also, I believe, that the ice is going to be pulled out again and then redone because there's some concrete and construction dust in it. So it's not as white as it should be. Well, they got months.

Well, they don't. They got 22 days. Oh. And CJ starts the article like this. The coldest place to stand in the bone-chilling Santa Guila arena this weekend was right next to me. Organizers didn't exactly warm up to a visitor from Canada who made the trip over to lay eyes on the still under construction primary hockey venue for the Milan Cortina Olympic Tournament, particularly after calling attention to the five plus minute delay in Friday's opening test game to repair the hole in the ice. They objected to the fact that I referred to it as a giant hole, a large soft spot in front of one of the nets was evident to the naked eye before the puck even dropped on the Italian Cup game between two second league division men's teams. That informed my characterization when the game was delayed and the official skated on the ice carrying a green watering can to pour water onto the ice in the arena.

Now, yes, which they they picked up the green water can from the Ministry of Italian Stereotypes. how is that the only thing laying around now what's interesting is jesse uh if we can pull up cj's twitter account he's got videos on this and first off it is a very nice looking arena from the outside especially at night it's all lit up uh looks beautiful but among the things that remain unfinished were um the fact that the zambonis really don't have a place to be housed they're in and out good the the dressing rooms are not done but you can you can pull off an interior reno pretty quick you can uh i will give them that okay uh you got to be working around a clock to do these dressing rooms though and the fact that it doesn't look like there will be food

service in the arena you'll have to go outside to uh to see it but these are the dressing rooms right now this is cj's direct video no adam those aren't the dressing rooms that is scaffolding that is scaffolding and drywall yes but steve you gotta have vision all right have a little vision you can't really call that the dressing rooms future home of the dressing room um guys it's the construction stereotypes are dying before our eyes like what what's going on here guys we need stuff now everyone's talking about the nhl players and the men and the men and the men the women's games start i think three or four days earlier the fifth i believe yeah right on the fifth yeah and then the men don't get started to like the tenth

these will not be done by the time they play games there's a couple that are already done that they use for the test event so i assume they'll try and use those but like they need a lot more there's how many teams yeah they need a lot more than those do me a favor can you uh go down in chris's article to the scoreboard i need to see this one picture okay uh it's in his article it's about uh halfway down through the article because when you see this on screen i've got i've got some things to lay out for you because listen you might as a as a fan who's not going you don't care where the zambonis are you don't care if there's food in the rink what do you care you're watching at home it's also cold in the arena yeah arenas are cold but not usually this cold i cheer

for fans i want the fans to have a good time you do you do i want them but ultimately if it's a great tournament and somebody can't get a hot dog inside do you care no you don't care i guess i think this is actually pretty relevant this this particular thing can we bring this up that's the scoreboard and no the scoreboard above santa guila arena was too small for players to see the time remaining that is the caption underneath can i see the spelling of the adam santa julia santa julia okay all right i was like santa i'm positive that's wrong okay oh there you go okay santa julia sorry it looks like they gave up on building the second half of the seats in the arena and just put in this like temporary thing i think that's exactly what that's either that's 100 what

happens it's either the world's smallest jumbotron or biggest tamagotchi i cannot tell the same with the roof looks like it's gonna be torn down right after the events like this arena isn't gonna be there right this is a place that's expected to live for three weeks and then it's done i guess i don't know i don't know i'm making guesses here but it's it's it's a very put together building where it definitely looks like it's not the i was hoping that this arena would be like the start of you know getting italians into hockey right it's like hey this is our real this is our big arena and and this is the thing that sort of turns the sport from of a far like an aftermarket there are italian leagues and that sort of thing sure but it isn't

it isn't anywhere close to where it could be like where it is right across the border in switzerland right right i was hoping this and i still hope it does but obviously like we are now like we have not on this show made a big deal of this now it's a little bit like okay that sounds a little concerning even if they find a way to finish this it's unacceptable uh the fact that we're three weeks out uh and we're like oh we think they'll get it done like an optimist is like we think we'll get it we think they'll get it done that's not acceptable what it's this is the olympics how does it still look like you just started the thing that's not acceptable and this is the arena they play on like the the practice rink is supposedly a joke yeah the

practice rink is even less done uh elliot friedman was saying that they looked into uh team canada looked into bus it was elliot or chris looked into busing the players an hour and a half outside of milan i believe it might have been into switzerland to practice because the practice rink might not be available or they thought it might not be yeah i'm not saying that that's still the case but they and they said it's probably too much but they did look into that's what we want we want our olympic athletes to sit on a bus spine nicely compressed hip flexors as shortened as possible and stiffened up and then getting on the ice and then coming off yeah and then playing against like i don't know team finland the next day that sounds great what are

we doing uh uh so a a player who actually scored the winning goal um talked about this a little bit his name is ryan valentini 2-1 win on saturday he scored the winning goal and he said uh he couldn't see the scoreboard he said it was too high up and obviously it's a little too small the other thing is he said uh they were cramped in the four dressing rooms uh he said teams will cj says teams will exclusively occupy these dressing rooms during intermission breaks while playing at the olympics but they are a long way off what you'd find even as a visitor in the nhl wow with no individual stalls for players just a series of small hooks to hang equipment on and there was a picture of the hooks here there you go that you get that get a canadian tire

that's it i literally bought that a canadian tire you give like six guys from bowmanville a case of beer and they will build you something better than this is it by the way for anybody listening it's a metal bench with two rows of hooks hanging up the back not does it look like it's attached the wall it might be but but it doesn't even look like oh i don't know if it is maybe it's oh yeah i'm sure that's anchored in there nice and tight no shot no shot what is this oh my god now i want this tournament to be good everyone's tournament to be good um i know frege frege did say on saturday night that that uh there was a player he was talking to or a person on the ground that he got video footage from and uh that sydney crosby should

dominate uh the player said because of the tight neutral zone this will lend itself perfectly to a guy like sit oh yeah the tight corners the tight uh neutral zone everything yeah so hey whatever it takes but you know this is kind of i don't know this is sort of like a quirky story that probably goes away but it is pretty interesting and remember whenever you go through life and you feel like there are people uh more adult or smarter no there isn't there are no adults anywhere not one please remind yourself of that if you're ever feeling insecure you can do literally anything you want in this life no some kids are mature that's about it yeah that's about as far as it gets there oh man he's pretty mature for 53 they're gonna play hockey yeah of

course gonna be every game's gonna be get played it's gonna be fine the arena probably for the fans is gonna be a little wonky and not up to standard at all of what we're compared to in here north america and around the world with built arenas the dress rooms are probably gonna be awful for the players and what they're used to the players are gonna fall through the floor like Dark Knight Rises. There'll be a giant hole in the ice and everything will be fine. But like I all the games are going to get played. Yeah, I think at the end of the day

that's all that really matters. It's going to be ugly and the Italian construction name is going to take a hit here. Oh no, we can't have that. But they built North America. Are you kidding me? But when it comes down to Canada versus USA, that thing is going to get

played. Now the last thing I want to hit before we wrap the show and it's a short one. couple of things New Jersey Devils have also lost four straight uh like them and the Sens they are two seven and one in their last 10 they lost to the Jets they lost to the Jets who are bad that was a game that we flagged and Jesse I sent you an email uh and we finally got a look at what's underneath Jack Hughes's glove we'll talk about Dougie Hamilton in a second I think this is the more concerning part because what you know there is the difference the difference between being able to play and not being able to play there's the glove right there okay so he supposedly cut

this on some glass at a bar uh on a team dinner like over a month ago no no this is he was out for like six weeks yeah yeah so this is two months ago at least which is over a month which is what okay yeah and then so there's the there's the time that you get back to the stop it you guys jesus christ uh i would never interrupt you these two you know he can play but is he playing at 100 100%. Right. And I think that that shows that you probably are not going to be able to get 100% out of Jack Hughes if we're taking truth serum. How do you grip the glove the same way? I'm sure you could put painkillers or whatever, but there's so many little things happening in your hand, right? Tendons and muscles and all that stuff. Forget the pain. Let's pretend he's

in absolutely none. How do you move your wrist properly? So for those of you who are just listening his entire pinky on his right hand which is his top hand is covered in is that tape or a splint or what looks like a splint it's weird it's like this half thing that goes over half of his palm and all the way down to his wrist and then the other side is pink what looks like fabric i guess and then his the the meat of his wrist into his forearm is very very tightly taped that's going to restrict so much like take your hand right now and make a fist but just starting from your finger look at all the little shit that's moving around like i'm not a doctor but this looks not great doc um and i'm surprised he's able to do anything like forget stick handling

forget shooting a puck or passing how do you defend yeah again that's his top hand right how's he supposed to stick check anyone poke check anyone how does this guy win a face off yep this is no bueno no bueno i'm sure what jack has available to him is better than what's available to the to most of the rest of us we are not multi-million dollar ponies for a billionaire owner right no one gives a shit about us but things have not been going well for the devils and they definitely haven't been going well for jack dougie hamilton was also scratched healthily uh in order to make room for jonathan kovacevich and pierre lebrun uh reached out to 15 nhl gms and said, no, I'm kidding.

He reached out to J.P. Berry and J.P. Berry's response, J.P. Berry being the agent for Dougie Hamilton. Dougie was informed today that he will not be playing now that Kovacevic is back in the lineup. In our view, this decision is all about business rather than his game right now.

Singling him out seems very calculated at this stage. Dougie has a 10-team trade list, which would mean a 22-team no-trade list. And there have been efforts to trade him going back to the draft last year, we made it clear to the Devils that we will consider teams outside our list and creative ways to get a team

that is mutually acceptable. So Hamilton camp is willing to be flexible beyond the 10 team list if it means finding suitable trade. Now, Tom Fitzgerald said, as you know, we put Nemech back in the lineup on Thursday. He's a young guy who we want

getting his game back where he had been easily our best defenseman before his injury. Pesci's play speaks for himself. He isn't going anywhere. And Kovacevic coming back gives our roster a spark that we're looking for. And he was our best defenseman of all last year.

That's what we want to do with our lineup now. This is simply Dougie being the odd man out where the right side is fully healthy for the first time this year. This is a business. This is the business of our lineup. Now, I've never seen a general manager respond to each single player

on the right side of a lineup explaining why they should be putting this person in over anybody else i've never seen that i'm sure it's happened i can't remember it and i think that's really interesting because tom fitzgerald's under a huge amount of pressure right now at least from the fans we don't know about ownership i think he's about to gm his last game as gm of the devils you think so huh yeah um the the rumor was that dougie hamilton they tried to trade him to san jose he nixed that deal and that was this summer i think he should have taken that deal that would have been awesome for the sharks he would have had a blast wow there

too he would have had a blast dougie dougie hamilton is still a very good player still if he is still a very good player offensively and he still does well defensively he has like 10 points i didn't realize how bad of a season he's had like i saw that and was stunned he's not a nine million dollar player no it's fair to say no what's crazy is john klingberg who might have a job in san jose uh because of dougie's decision has 10 goals yeah steve i'm surprised first of all that this wasn't higher in the show because of your i thought you would come in here and freak out a little bit more at jp barry's accusation towards the devils because in steve dangle if i may quote him would he not think this is some sort of match fixing that jp barry is accusing

the devils of doing because he's saying they did not ice their best lineup in this case he's saying they scratched dougie hamilton for political reasons personal reasons they want him to wave they wanted him to ways they're upset with him and they intentionally didn't play him because of those reasons and didn't play their best lineup that was available to them do you disagree with jp berry uh what i think would have been the way more funny outcome is uh if jp berry releases the statement and then the devils go you know what you're right we're gonna play dougie and then scratch simon nemich because then he would have to release a statement on behalf of his other client simon nemich jp berry represents 71 players it's roughly 10 of the nhl league what

when you put it in those terms adams that's crazy there's about 800 now i think he represents one in like every 11 or 12 players his agency i'm sure he's not making personal phone yeah so it's a it's not it's not created equal he works for caa which is the largest talent agency in the world they represent every big celebrity you could ever name so it's not him managing them in the same way that an agent with eight clients would be managing them this is a giant conglomerate and he is heading up a division that represents all of those players he's not personally representing them all no i'm just going by uh yes caa sports llc i'm just going by uh puckpedia total he has 71 contracts total value 700.8 million wow he is somewhat uh powerful oh yeah in this league

he has six red wings what agent has six guys on one team that's friggin nuts um it's a mess in new jersey i like this isn't to me this isn't just a guy going to bat for his player like the what the way i read it is he's trying to help along tom fitzgerald getting fired well and i mean is that how you read it a hundred percent i mean he's getting it from everywhere the walls are closing in yep you're fucked what's tom fitzgerald supposed to do how does he write the ship other than his team magically starts winning games he's already tried to make trades and failed and so now he's trying to turn the screws on dougie to try to get him to wave so that he could get him off the books so that he can maybe do some other stuff right because that's

what you gotta do my number's coming up see that's the conversation he's got to be having with ownership if i just turn the screws on hamilton and i could trade him and i will have enough cap space that i could do this and that will be really cooking tom it's over tom i mean they make things uncomfortable for players right before they get traded and i think that's what the devils are finally doing they you're allowed to trade dougie hamilton i don't know why didn't they just do it right they couldn't they couldn't find anybody on the 10 teams that they that he would accept a trade to and the team that would accept them san jose he didn't want to go which he should have called us uh i would have sold his ass on san jose uh but but i think i think

two guys like i think the devils are need to be on devil's management they should be accused of not being ruthless enough because when they knew they had a two-year window in which Quinn Hughes was going to get moved, everybody kind of saw it coming, right? Unless the Vancouver Canucks came flying out of the gate this year and they were challenging for the division lead, which they did a couple of years ago and won it. You know, there was a pretty good, I mean, there was a reason there were rumors about Quinn Hughes. Sure. The Devils, I think, thought they had a whole season to think about it and could do it at the draft but when you are not prepared you prepared to fail and they failed in their pursuit of quinn hughes because a i don't think that they could have

matched the wild and what they gave b they didn't have the cap space exactly and if quinn hughes probably i bet you quinn hughes probably had a little bit of say about where he went like i bet vancouver gave him a little bit of like hey if new jersey if it was between new jersey and minnesota I'm sure had that deal been able to be done, Quinn probably would have said, well, I'd like to go play with my brothers and Vancouver would have granted that for what he's given them.

But I look at this and I go, you, your chance and your opportunity to be vicious in the way that Vegas can be vicious was spring, summer last year, right? After you got booted in five games in the playoffs. That's when you're vicious. That's when you got to be tough. And I would, the Toronto Maple Leafs

are a perfect example of this. You were not hard enough on these guys, and then they had their no trades kick in, and then they left, right? And Mitch Marner's the perfect example. With a cautionary tale. Now, mid-season, in what looks to be a lost season, they got to be hard on Dougie,

and I wonder what they're going to do with Andre Palat. Are they going to be tough on him, too? Probably. Yeah, everybody wants him out. But even if they were tough on Andre Palat, who's taking that contract? Exactly. Well, and everyone knows Fitzgerald is basically

if you're on the phone with him he's trying to save his job yes so they're throwing you anchors yeah somebody's gonna get Dougie Hamilton for so cheap and he's gonna go off do you think that they maybe do you think that maybe the deal with Dougie Hamilton is not retention based but

okay we're gonna trade you bad money but the bad money expires at the end of the season expires earlier than Dougie Hamilton's it's a lot well what if you trade 4 million back right and it's 4 or 5 million you don't want It's a lot of money.

It's a lot of money. I think some teams can do that. At Dougie Hamilton at $7 million. I think Dougie Hamilton has it in him to still be a $9 million defenseman. I'm not willing to just write him off and be like, ah, this is it. He's too overpaid.

I think he's in a situation that's untenable, and it's been like that for a while, and I think you're so right in that Tom Fitzgerald backed himself into a corner with this roster construction and didn't allow himself to be flexible at all with this roster and he had a chance over the course of the summer to make more moves and he sat on his hands and now he fucked himself what i always say is good players

don't forget how to play hockey dougie hamilton played 64 games last year he had nine goals 31 assists 40 points that's obviously offense it doesn't give you the defensive picture but that's those are really good numbers man the season before that he only played 20 games he had 16 points and we all know what he's capable of right and like i don't think that's lost forever there's a reason he got that contract it's possible the injuries have caught up with him and maybe he's just perma cooked i'm gonna bet on give him some time and you bet on talent there yeah it's a matter of like woods is somebody out there willing to take that bet and i think they are and it i think it'll be a good bet we'll see how it plays out but i'm willing to to say that

dougie hamilton can go somewhere and be a decent defenseman you're gonna have to like i think you're just gonna have to take a shit sandwich back well hey don't want to you know it might make a little bit of sense what i mean if you can get him to wave uh wouldn't a left shot puck moving defenseman look good on the new york or on the new jersey devils you're kidding i'm just saying roughly the same amount of money you're kidding me roughly the same amount of money morgan no no no i'd like to see doggie hamilton with the leafs i'd like to see what he could do i would i would i would i think kick down brad for living's door would you yeah why yeah well just context matters do something okay well now it's do nothing season and the vibes are immaculate and you're gonna

trade morgan who's everybody loves who everyone loves and is at very minimum having a great offensive season he is yeah well he's putting up points yeah there you go there i changed it relax for dougie hamilton who's having a nightmare season and even though i think he's gonna bounce back there's no guarantee he does and costs more yeah it's also it doesn't make sense for their lineup because luke hughes exists and it's like okay yeah so we're gonna get older not as talented has proven he's not luke hugh longer contract longer contract morgan riley put him behind luke hughes to play i'm just allow me allow me to treat uh new jersey the way people treat toronto because people are like well whatever we're just going to get quinn hughes and free agency anyway

oh yeah a great way to attract quinn hughes is to boo his brother on home ice well that was after though what is it with you know it's just a shame the new jersey fans drove quinn hughes out of town i think just a shame they drove i don't think that happens in the real nhl first off oh wow second wow vancouver fans you i know things aren't going well for you right now but you have the chance to do the funniest thing and you start churning the waters on when does jack leave new jersey for minnesota that's when you need to start you need to start poking that bear you know what i know he's got a lot of years left but start poking that bear canucks fans have the opportunity to i like where you're going with this adam like really embrace the rebuild by ruining everyone

else's time canucks fans are a cantankerous group too they can get they can get behind Patrick Alvey and Jim Rutherford need to work the phones because you're selling. That's the easiest thing to do. Hey, it's a first round pick for Kiefer Sherwood. Oh, and a prospect. Also, go fuck yourself. Like, it's the easiest thing. Yeah.

In your spare time, since your job is very easy, you know you're going to be busy for a handful of days in March. Just fuck with everyone else. That's what I'm saying. Let's do it. By the way. You know what? When Pierre is doing a, you know, we asked. 40 GMs.

X amount of GMs. Make sure you're one of those GMs. Absolutely. Man, if I was a GM, I'd want to be on that. I'd be fucking with that other team so bad all the time. There's 32 teams in this league, and I have an opportunity to raise the price on one of the stars for one of them.

I couldn't call him fast enough. No, I'd be like, what's your next one, Pierre? oh my god um hey just a quick last question to uh in the tri-state area uh new york rangers are betman 500 46 points already six out of a playoff spot and three five and two and shisterkin injured um they've been the leading candidate to pick up keifer sherwood uh do you i they can't possibly do that right sure they can they're the rangers jesse do you think the rangers know where they're at and know what they are i think chris jury thinks he knows what he's at where he's at and what he should be doing would we he's wrong would we agree with him no no we would not agree

with him chris jury he doesn't know what he's doing okay and james dolan believes in him for no god good reason like it's fucking awful because well he's playing with his dad band like i like jury the rangers are a side hustle you know they are percent you know like it's there's passion project you know it's okay it's okay to have a hobby now mike sullivan said he was out of answers i'm like you just fucking got here and you already don't know what after they what was the final score 10-2 yeah against boston on sunday yep after they put up a whole bunch of bad performances and jt miller the highlights of him not skating around the ice when they're down six goals or whatever it is how is that man your captain how did you give him the captaincy when

he played no games for this team and then he shows up this season and is just jt miller in vancouver on steroids uh that's it's just ridiculous that the way they're running this operation i think they would be they would they would do well with a complete teardown as it is right now and uh you move forward who knows what's gonna happen with panarin either that's just a question that's just out there it's like hey we're gonna trade them for 10 cents on the dollar or lose them to free agency um can i that's a disaster a completely insane stat they can't be trading him that rangers game you might have to panarin oh panarin he's a ufa what are you gonna do bring him back i guess he's got 49 points he's got a lot of points on a shitty team yeah how much winning

they've done with them not a lot not a lot that's fair a couple of conference finals birth murat kuznetdinov oh my god has played 132 nhl games he has 15 goals and 36 points in those 132 nhl games 26.6 percent of the goals he scored in his career came in that game and 13.8 percent of his career points came in that game sunday against the or sunday saturday saturday saturday against the uh rangers insane stat line yeah yeah insane stat line also posture not who i have in fantasy six assists you love that i'm real pretty you love that that was pretty chill everyone's like oh minton scored twice i'm like yeah you can't ruin my mood today don't worry i'm happy about this one so just a

schedule reminder that we are going to be in peterborough tomorrow releasing the episode uh we'll be talking a lot about the ohl top prospects tournament's going to be a blast and then of course uh wednesday uh ohl commissioner brian crawford joins us from peterborough as well and then we will be back friday too because we also have that show so there's a lot going on good to take time off yeah hell yeah we're back on fire baby i'm ready and You are still doing your LFRs late, right? Yes, but they will not be released until the morning. Oh, okay.

So don't stay up until 3 a.m. expecting one? No. Okay. Do not. All right. S-T-E-P. The Steve Dangle Podcast. Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle

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