The Steve Dangle Podcast - No Luck Chuck | March 10, 2023

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This is Steve Dangle Podcast, powered by Sports Interaction. Want to bet? Spank Andy. Woo! S-D-P-P. The Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Wow. You know, occasionally, news breaks before the show.

Every now and then. And when I saw Jeff Merrick tweet this morning There's movement in Philly I thought maybe they made a post-trade deadline trade Because it's still possible Post-trade deadline to make a trade I thought perhaps Kevin Hayes to Columbus Because the trade deadline

If you don't know Is just are you eligible for the playoff Yeah you're allowed to make trades After the deadline It's just you know Kevin Hayes If he were to be traded to the Blue Jackets Wouldn't be eligible to play in the playoffs uh one because it was after the deadline two because it would be to the blue jackets yeah

um but uh that's not what happened oh somebody that steve has been on for years and it actually surprised jesse you remember the episode where steve brought it up for the first time he and he and the take started with the minnesota wild cause the last lockout yeah you're so upset that happened like when we were we're recording it like rogers yeah you know like way back yeah five years ago maybe and everybody's like and and steve went in and minnesota wild fan was like what did we ever do to you man yeah and it had nothing to do with the minnesota wild themselves right had everything to do with their ownership and chuck fletcher being the vessel that ownership used to murder uh the nhl and usher it into a lockout and this is morning happens when you earn your

way to the top through hard work that's right because your first job is something you got because of your resume wunderkind and something entry-level like assistant gm to the penguins panthers panthers whatever listen jock fletcher was let go this morning uh it's funny i've never seen philadelphia flyers fans and new york rangers fans happy about the same thing at the same time and yet here we are rangers fans rangers fans are loving it just because something bad has happened to philadelphia fans oh and philadelphia fans are happy because um well that's that's over but i don't know that it is over oh i don't know that it is over because you got to remember something the same group that hired chuck fletcher will hire the next guy and and push him around

into doing their dumb ass bidding so i don't know so unless they let him do his fucking job well so we're gonna get into that we're gonna get into that but first it's oscar weekend so let's get into you can bet that with my old boss terry hart you can bet that with david bastel brought to you by sports interaction get in the action and make a play 19 plus please play responsibly all right so because it's oscars weekend we're making dave take a back seat to somebody who believe it or not this is my former boss her name is terry hart and she is a movie fanatic setting us up for the Jocelyn Terry, welcome to the STP. We're so happy to have you on.

Was I your boss, really? Yeah, you were my boss at Entertainment City. Breakfast Television. I thought I was just like your encouragement. Well, you were that too. And honestly, one of the most instructive people I've ever worked with. So any of the entertainment reporting I did was really Terry. And Terry knows movies.

You watch, what, 200 movies a year, something like that? Yeah. Oh, probably more than that. I mean, I probably watch a movie a day And then during the Toronto International Film Festival I watch like three, four, sometimes five movies a day I spend a lot of time in the dark There it is

She watches all the movies that CJ doesn't That's right, that's right Because CJ watches zero movies So Terry, Academy Awards this weekend We're going to avoid the whole slap conversation Which I'm thrilled about because I'm done Same, same, Adam, same, same If we're talking about sports interaction

We're talking about movies that you want to put something on or categories you want to put something on? What are the categories that are as close to a guaranteed shot as they come? So I would say the guaranteed shots are three and their best picture. It is the year for everything, everywhere, all at once. If it doesn't win, there will be audible gasps and probably some faints. I think it's a real slam dunk for the Daniels, the co-directors of everything, everywhere, all at once. Some people are like suggesting steven spielberg for the fablemans just because he's got such legacy in hollywood i don't think there's a chance i think that daniel kwan and dan shiner who directed

everything everywhere all at once there's so much love for them and the fact that they came from really really indie world to this made this kind of i don't know if you guys have seen e e e e a a oh yeah but it's bonkers right like it's a bonkers movie that's been embraced by the mainstream hollywood loves that story and i would say kiwe kwan who stars in everything everywhere all at once is a lock for best supporting actor and i'm for it i can't wait for his speech it's going to be inspiring it's going to he's a great comeback story in hollywood so um those three are locks okay so the one thing that worries me is you mentioned how like everything is this out there kind of movie it's a sci-fi film like it's based in like

alternate realities and different worlds and metaverses and all that stuff and the traditional oscar voters never go for that kind of stuff and uh all quiet on the western front is there in the category as well and that movie has literally won this award before the 1930 version won best picture that's right it worries me that there's too many old voters still in the oscars and it might ruin this moment that should be for everything that should be everything's year and i'm afraid they might ruin it jesse are you a hollywood insider that i didn't know i care about this stuff every time it runs it comes around every year because i'm telling you if there is going to be a surprise across the board it's going to mirror the surprise of the actual nominations when all

quiet on the restaurant front scored nine nominations including best international film and best picture when you see a movie cross both of those categories it speaks to how many people that movie has really touched of course this is a remake you say it's won the category back in the 1930s this is a remake of a world war one film that is having terrifying and properly upsetting correlations to what's happening now with the russian invasion of ukraine and the banality of war and you can draw that line also through the banshees of an asheran which is about two best friends one decides not to talk to one the other the next day which is really about um an allegory for war and how people turn on each other for reasons that they can't even explain and certainly

that happened in ireland during the troubles so we've got a bit of a theme going on there and yeah i mean jesse i don't think it's going to happen i just think there's been too much love for everything everywhere the largest voting population of the academy are actors and we've seen them sweep guilds we've seen them like which are the benchmarks so hey i love a surprise as much as the next guy but i do think it's e-e-a-a-o's year okay so so um the the categories that are i think a lot of people are interested in is obviously brendan fraser made a huge comeback this year uh beloved online uh are the uh are the uh i guess academy voters gonna love him the same way is he going to win best actor i would say this might be the tightest race the best actor race

between brendan fraser in the whale and um the other one is austin butler and elvis and both of them have their emotional strengths as you said i said adam brendan fraser being the comeback kid austin butler playing elvis when elvis's daughter just died this year so there's a lot of emotion around both of these both of them also have some drawbacks a lot of people were upset about the fat suit that brendan fraser sports to play charlie the character he plays in the whale full transparency i hated the whale with the white hot passion of a million suns oh you didn't like the movie um and no i hated it oh um i think it's terrible yeah i think it's mean i think it's mean and lacking any empathy and i think it's dangerous but um i'm in the minority there so that's fine

that's fine that's why we bring you on though you guys defined opinions on this stuff you know you hate the whale and i hated elvis elvis was awful and like austin butler on his whole media tour he's turned into elvis like he does the accent just in his interviews and it's gotten really annoying would you jesse i think you and i should hang out more everybody says that about jesse everybody because here's what i say about elvis i didn't love the movie i thought the tom hanks character was a bit of a disaster he plays colonel parker who was awful to elvis and really uh kind of was the architect of elvis's demise i would suggest um but austin butler playing elvis delivered i mean he really i mean i wasn't around for elvis i'm old i'm not that old

and i just felt like i was really watching those kind of iconic performances and i i just think that one of the reasons that the movie itself didn't succeed so well as baz lerman who directed it had this performance by austin that he couldn't cut away from to actually have the movie work better so much gyrating so much yeah like pull the camera away from his crotch please no now now you're making me change my mind jesse you shouldn't hang out more amazing and best actress what what do you think this is a bit tight um i think it's going to be michelle yo again the emotional she's a 60 year old woman this is not a comeback for her she's been steadily working but she probably should

have been nominated and won 25 years ago for crutching tiger hidden dragon finally she's getting her flowers. But she is up against Cate Blanchett, who is her closest competition for a movie called Tar. Cate's already run a couple times. She's been nominated like eight times. She's going to be back there. She is going to be like the Meryl Streep of this generation. She gets cast in the movies that go on to win Oscars. That's what Cate Blanchett does. She does it. Cate Winslet does it. Nicole Kidman does it. That's just their brand of an actor. So I really hope it is michelle yo and i think a lot of people will be really really pissed off if it's not all right well terry hart thank you so much for joining us really appreciate it and if you're

making your picks obviously listen to terry trust me on this one she knows it like nobody else or you can listen to jesse too i guess i think we agreed on most of it terry thanks so much for Jesse knows a thing or two. Yeah, he does. Ah, see? Yeah. Okay, all right. Thanks, Terry.

Steve, you said nothing. Steve said nothing. I haven't seen any of these. So I need to see them. The Philadelphia Flyers this morning. Actually, I'll read from Gianna Hahn and Olivia Reiner, who write for the Inquirer, the Philadelphia Inquirer. Less than a week after the trade deadline, key point,

the flyers have decided to take an affirmative step in a new direction firing chuck fletcher today hired december 3rd 2018 fletcher had been with the organization for four years former flyer danny briere will take over on an interim basis now i want to go through what's the assistant right what's that he was the special advisor to the he had one of those goofy Dwight Schrute titles. Oh, yeah? I thought he was... Oh, wow.

Since 2018, when he took over, the Flyers have finished above sixth in the Metropolitan one time. And they were tanking exactly zero

of those seasons. That's right. So they finished... They were trying to win the whole time. In 2018, 2019, they finished 27th in the league.

Sorry, 22nd in the league. In 1920, sixth in the league. 2021, 19th and this year I'm sorry last year they were 29th this year pretty close to it so it's

been pretty ugly with the exception of the round two loss in 2019 2020 which I have to be honest that doesn't count they were better they were good that year though I was high on the team they were fourth in the bubble year right that was

they did finish fourth in the east that year so the way it happened because i remember they were one of the hottest teams in the nhl heading into the stoppage yeah then the stoppage happened and they over the next six months or whatever lost a little bit of momentum and then they went into the playoffs they won the qualifying round when the qualifying run the first round they almost lost to montreal in the qualifier or or in in the first round i remember that montreal had them because they were like there was a big thing for claude julian remember yeah i'm sure i i don't remember who they beat but they won okay they won they did well

and then they were on the up and then they lose in the first round those second round second round oh so they won a round yeah okay i think they did yeah okay i think they were playing montreal montreal made it through the qualifier and then they played montreal and then montreal almost beat them i think yeah nick suzuki did that tap yes remember that yes i do remember that Patting Carter Hart on the head. And that was Carter Hart's big coming out year as well. Yeah. When he was unbelievable that year.

Carter Hart had a good one and a half seasons. And everybody was like, well, they made the right move. They fired Ron Hextall, which all of, speaking of Pennsylvania teams that are frustrated, fired Ron Hextall and let Carter Hart play. But how's he been since? And how's it been since? He's been, okay.

How's it been? He's been better, well, Carter Hart's been better this season than last, but how's it been for the Flyers? Poo. It's been poo. And from the moment that guy was hired, I said it would be poo.

And here it is being poo. Why? What? He, I think I said it from the moment he was hired. He is who you hire when you want to have a dart board. When you own a hockey team and you want a dart board who will, uh,

listen to all your decisions and take all the heat for them that's all he is if you need a human shield that is your man um like i'm not gonna celebrate the fact that he was fired because i don't really think it means anything for philadelphia flyers man wow you don't think it means anything well if the guy wasn't making any decisions in the first place what's the difference like it if there's going to be a change for the philadelphia flyers it has to come from they're going to treat danny breer differently i guess we'll see i guess we'll see how that goes or are they going to be like you know what trade real assets for rasmus actual risk to line it Trade real assets for Tony, honest to goodness, D'Angelo.

Trade assets and extend him. And when a guy gets hurt, you throw up your hands and you go, well, gosh, I didn't anticipate a professional hockey player would get hurt. So instead of doing anything to fix it, I'm just going to sit on my hands and feel sorry for myself. And, and, and, and. And I'm going to try to trade this guy. And when I don't trade him, I'll talk about an app for some reason. And I'll talk about how it's hard. That John Tortorella quote, those John Tortorella quotes with Chuck Fletcher were pathetic.

You mean where he defended him? Yeah, we talked about it on Monday where he comes out and says, well, he tried to trade him. And you don't think he tried? John. I heard those quotes. What happened to you? Like, well, you know, depending on who you ask, nothing happened to John Toterell.

He was always this guy. But I would love to see him give his players the same leeway that he gives Chuck Fletcher. Oh, yeah. Oh, you know what? I was going to bench Kevin Hayes, but gosh darn it, he tries. I was going to bench Joel Farabee, but you know what? Gosh, he tried so hard.

You know that play where he didn't get the puck out and I asked him to get the puck out? Well, he tried to get the puck out, though. So you know what? here's a candy cane and a cookie and what the fuck like john tortorella the bootlicker like i never thought i would have seen the day like what is this and you know what i just want it to be valid criticism when people criticize the job chuck fletcher does i want it to be valid criticism he tried within days he is fired come on john here you go here's your chance

shit on ownership shit on everyone who made this decision john come on none of the criticism was valid you're such a fucking media critic come on here we go criticize your employer there john here we go i'm sick of this guy i'm sick of this guy and again now i'm talking about john yeah do you see what a good job the flyers are doing all they do is hire dart boards imagine if they actually focus on trying to win some hockey games they might actually do it since they're this good at achieving their goals for the last 10 years and we're going to assume the flyers missed the playoffs this year i don't know if they're mathematically eliminated it's pretty tough they came off of a conference or sorry a stanley cup final loss in 09 10 to a uh a two

sorry conference final losses in a row and then since 2012 2013 which is 10 years ago they have qualified for the playoffs four times damn they have won one round which is more than the leafs yes it is and people will let us know i don't think the fans is that your bar i don't think the fans here are getting enough credit for what's happened in the last two weeks here with the flyers why is that what happened is the jvr non-trade seems to be like the straw that broke the camel's back with everything that kind of came out of that because we had non-trade and then we had the fans go crazy and be like why wasn't he traded they booed him and he had to respond to that because right after the trade

deadline they had the season ticket holder meeting and out of that we got these wild videos we got um the booing and then we got the one about him talking about the app that you briefly mentioned where he says there's an app that we have in our front office that shows the trade value of things. And, you know, you plug it in and the trades weren't worth it and all that nonsense. Hold on. So because he the quote is we didn't get a legitimate offer for JBR.

So, Jesse, are you saying that the legitimate offer quote is the ultimate reason why Chuck Fletcher? So, well, the whole saga that's taken place in the last week, I think ownership and Dave Scott, the guy who did the press conference today, who's in charge of firing him i think they realized like we got somebody here who's incompetent because of probably are what we're telling him to do but they probably don't realize that part well you can't fire the owner they own it exactly so i think they looked at chuck fletcher and the media storm that came out of his his awful gming that's that's what all these things came out of

just his him doing a bad job and they're like okay we're done here we're throwing up our hands we're gonna make this decision a week out of the trade deadline and that's that's on the fans all those things were a result of fan pressure fan leak videos out of the season ticket holder it's the season ticket holders and the flyers fans who got him fired here and kudos to them because he's doing he did an awful job doing the flyers job for them this is all in the fans it's the fans doing the owner's job for them it's doing everyone in hockey job all the all the the four dudes who we didn't know their names remember that last week we're like who are the other people in hockey ops besides chuck fletcher we don't know and it's dartboard followed by four invisible men

which again i said from the moment the dude was hired this is what he does so in terms of what we knew chuck fletcher was heading into his flyers tenure what did we know what we knew is he's really good at spending ownership's money when he's told to that's what he did in minnesota and he won as many rounds uh in Minnesota in his tenure in Minnesota as he did in Philadelphia one he's he's who you hire when you want to spend an enormous amount of money on one playoff round win in half a decade's time that is that's the brand right so he did his job exactly as advertised exactly as advertised i don't know why anyone expected anything different trades that don't make any sense non-trades that don't make any sense i kind of feel bad for the

guy honestly do you yeah like and like why do you feel bad for him i don't want to sound like i'm backtracking because i don't think he's allowed to do his fucking job you don't think he's allowed to or you think he allows because here's the thing any executive that works at that position is going to get questioned pushed um and questioned again and grilled by ownership on everything that's part of the job right you're when we say like the ownership should stay out of the the trades themselves we don't mean that the owner shouldn't question it it's their property yeah they can do what they want it's their organization sure but you're saying that we have no idea what kind of general manager chuck fletcher really is because the owners work through

him and what i would say to that is i think we know exactly what kind of a general manager chuck fletcher is well because if you don't stand for something whether that's on the air or professionally then you have revealed that you're nothing that you're really not qualified anyway god damn is that well what part of that's not true and i don't and i don't mean to diminish him the person but professionally if you look at the history here there's like no success he's probably a like a maybe a good day-to-day operations guy probably really well liked probably really well connected in hockey i've heard good things of course good things about this is not about who he is this is about who he is professionally right and and what does

what can you say like like okay as much as we give kyle dubas shit and we also praise kyle dubas and everybody around the league you know gives kyle dubas and leaf shit you know what kyle dubas is about you know certain characteristics of kyle dubas's gm personality is a brand his brand is if i have a first round pick i'm trading it for two seconds if i um if i can find a a value ad nobody that no one's ever heard of like david comp i'm signing them to two years and look at that it works out most of the time um that was a weird one there are times there are things with kyle dubas where you're like i know this is his characteristic right you know with yarmo keka line and he's going to give rfas a really fucking hard time he's going to blow you away occasionally

with some weird trade or signing like line a and uh gadreau and his teams rarely score very much um he's kind of like mark bergevin for teams that never win yeah yeah yeah really good trades really bad but even mark bergevin you knew his his logic was completely flawed but you knew what mark bergevin was about tell me what chuck fletcher's about tell me what what what would characterize chuck fletcher the gm if you were to make him into a video game character well let's go back uh and this isn't to praise ron hextall because his job in pittsburgh has been pretty come see come saw but what was he canned for he was canned because people above him said ron we want you to do this play carter hart he didn't do it so they fired him and who'd they bring in yes sir no sir

they brought in yes sir no sir and then it was half a decade of yes sir no sir none of us should be surprised bobby clark's still involved in the flyers organization isn't it so so i wanted to bring that up because i think that's that's where we get not some answers but even some more questions about like okay who's running the show here because where's this podcast appearance there bobby hey ron did such a shit job there bobby let's let's talk about chuck fletcher there bobby let's contextualize that yeah what do you jesse steve what do you guys because i know what you're thinking but people listening may not have caught that podcast interview tell us about it what what did bobby clark say about ron hextall here i sort of interrupted your point yeah yeah i was just

and the uh the senior advisors there in philadelphia paul holmgren bob clark bill bard barber dean lombardi paul holmgren was the general manager for philly and it was also for the wild wasn't it was he not i don't remember the wild but definitely philly yeah and he was kicked upstairs uh i don't know he's still there generally the guys who get kicked upstairs don't stay upstairs very long i don't know his resume i'm looking it up anyway so you got you got those guys as your senior advisors and i think about situations like in edmonton where all the 80s guys are employed as advisors there and a lot of the decisions that are being made are just hey ask the guys who have the cup rings they've kind of gotten away from that they have lately yeah we like to talk about

that like two ish years ago is when it was the big story about that and situation in philly where we kind of know chuck fletcher's it has many people in his ears who are telling him what to do it's usually the guys who played the game who the owners look to are like yeah that's the guy from from the 80s and the 70s you know what's he saying and the senior advisor team like maybe that's the areas they need to look at to revise and you can tell the podcast story but bobby clark famously well actually not famously enough really is kind of an explosive podcast that i feel like not a lot of people listen to but he went on a show and just completely threw ron hextall under an entire depot of buses like just he he didn't draft kale mccarr draft kale mccarr when he could have and

he did this and he did that and he did that talking about how you know just completely shitting on the job ron hextall did um and it was funny because here's the interesting part by the way paul holmgren was the gm when the flyers were actually good the last time um he was the guy that stepped out of the way for ron hextall who in 2014 ron hextall took over he was fired in 2018 and then chuck fletcher took over after that right so um so i want to be fair to paul holmgren but paul holmgren as much as he was a part of the successes he's now been a part of a decade of failure so i i think it's still fair and and with when it came to the bobby clark interview the thing that was interesting and i think a lot of people first off love a good

dunking they love hearing this guy who used to play for me bobby ron hextall was bobby clark's goalie right when bobby clark was the gm of the flyers they have a long history but they there's obviously hurt feelings they love a guy who dunks on another guy everybody does it's entertainment but when you when you get past the old bobby clark's dropping the one two one uh on ron hextall you go wait a second wait a second wait a second bobby clark elevated position in the philadelphia flyers right so bobby clark was a part of all these meetings and bobby clark in effect in theory being a 30-year member of their management could have blocked all of these supposed bad decisions he's accusing ron hextall of making yeah and yeah you should have done this

you should have done that you should have done that you should have done that they want a yes man and you got it and you got your ass kicked yep so what what lesson are you gonna learn from this and how are you going to apply it to danny breer i think the answer should be let him do his fucking job and if he's even qualified we don't know that danny breer is qualified he's uh no offense to danny breer i don't know one way or the other he's and he's also he's also the i know he's been working up he's not the gm yet he's just the interim gm yeah it's like how dubas was interim gm and then lou came on and then dubas became gm yes that's actually a little unusual um now that i say it out loud um danny breer i know has been working up to it i can't remember

what his previous gig was you gotta let him do his job the worst teams in the nhl are the most middling teams in the nhl don't let the people who make hockey decisions make hockey decisions So then if you're Paul Holmgren or Bobby Clark or any of the people that Jesse mentioned. Dean Lombardi. Dean Lombardi. Dean, that's another story we need to have, conversation we need to have. Okay, so you have all these people together. No, Dean Lombardi was the Mike, what happened, like, Dean Lombardi was the good and the bad

in LA. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not that, again, this is not about who they are as people, but, you know. I'm just like, where did Dean come from? No, he's on the senior advisor team in Philadelphia. Oh, he is? Yeah, yeah. He's one of the names I list.

So what I would say is, okay, so we bring in this guy. Oh, well, Danny Breer is a first-time general manager, owner of the team. What do you pay me for? If I'm not allowed to speak my mind, exercise my influence. This feels very Oilers pre-McDavid and actually Oilers with current McDavid. A lot of ex-players hanging around. Ownership. I mean, Daryl Cates seems to be a little bit more of a fan of the 80s Oilers.

but there was a lot of like at one point it was like curry and and gretzky and coffee and all these guys are all paid by the team to do we're not sure and the team's finding no success at a certain point you wonder is the real gm here the three people are the four people that you mentioned and it's just the the other guy's just a public facing person i just i'm skeptical what changes here that's what i mean and what changes if those guys are still here we're gonna see because like yeah i think we all assume that they're making decisions i don't know is daniel barriere the type to go in there and just be a yes man i wouldn't think so but he was also raised by that group of people who are in the last 10 years as we've seen full of a lot of failure

well if he came up in the failure system how much of a chance does he have to succeed i think i think the reason i'm so hesitant to like just completely bash chuck fletcher today is we're not bashing it no i know but it almost feels like today in 2023 we owe jim benning a bit of an apology because nothing's changed absolutely nothing changed over there in vancouver oh in fact things got worse no yeah that's what i mean i said this earlier jim benning in vancouver knew where the bodies were buried he knew how to keep his hands on the geysers yeah before they popped up yeah jim rutherford walked in there and was like okay we're gonna make some changes bang bang bang bang bang yeah and then all of a sudden all this stuff happened so it's a cautionary tale

i would i would say for like i don't want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm because you never know the flyers might be great next year after this talking yeah because they're not like completely devoid of talent which a lot of bad teams are they're not um but the what has gone on with the vancouver canucks who i think have more talent um should be a reason to be skeptical that this will even do anything well i think that's a great point yeah all the decision making and things we criticize chuck fletcher for we should probably be giving uh bob clark as much criticism for like the decisions you know like it's it's last december they fired alan vigneault you know and and that was i'm not the gm's decision you know i assume that was everybody

in the in the senior management hiring him might have been a bad decision by those people you hear a lot of uh now that we're sort of getting into business and everything but people people tell you uh a lot of catchphrases like fail fast jock fletcher's great at that because like dude he spent all his bullets like you mentioned yeah firing the coach getting rid of all your draft bringing in torts bringing in torts like like he just he spent all his bullets and then it's like you know there's none of that do you feel lucky punk it's like no i heard six shots you're out of bullets so i think you're done here so my question to you guys is okay they feel like this today they wake up this morning they're like it's chuck's day it's chuck's day yeah um uh

so then what about last friday we're all sitting in this room waiting for the trade deadline all of these things aside from jvr not getting traded and maybe a disastrous season ticket meeting all of these things were apparent then james van reams dyke moving for a fourth round pick at 50 retained doesn't change i really think the media storm the last eight days that it's been leading up to trade deadline and post that has pushed things i think a hundred percent everybody talking about what a disaster it was and then you go up in front of people and they yell at you that it's been a disaster and you're an embarrassment i think that pushes things and that kicks the firing uh up you know you get you get fired a little earlier because of that stuff it does

you know you know uh i've i've criticized some of the things he's put out there but but cam sure hunt has talked about like do executives in the nhl watch hockey and i think it's a good question it's a question worth asking and certainly you wonder if the tv network executive watch or or the head head office executives watch hockey you wonder gary and bill and they're working they're at the game they're working you ever sat at home though and tried to watch it it's hard it's well you you got it anyway where where i'm going with this is you shouldn't have needed to be booed to your face you should have known you didn't know fans felt this way like that's what did it that's what pushed it over the edge and you know the thing about philadelphia

is they're so shy about their feelings right like you couldn't have possibly if you were paying even the least bit attention i don't think i don't think they were i think they never turned on philly sports radio one time there's also the moment where the rangers won in was a shootout or ot and i think it was ot i think it was ot and half the building is rangers fans and they're all cheering for for new york in that in the wells fargo center you know and like those moments are the moments that management notices not the fucking day-to-day um your defenseman sucks you know they don't they don't see those things they're not watching nobody nobody called into chicken chicken shit in the broom or whatever that show was that that was talking about

like whatever whatever afternoon radio fucking program in philly like i don't know what like you know you know they always have those weird fucking names and stuff like they call him the broom because it was a part of the sweep get the room out oh my god i mean it's just like it's like they never one time one time saw a clip on instagram of those guys or anything nothing no chicken shit i don't know it's just there it is you know what it is who's in tunis who's the anthony no and the answer tell me you remember that in tunis was the morning show and the anthony gargano show was the afternoon one that sorry railed on us for uh oh that was funny

though cameron what the fuck cameron please please give it to me no no too far away give me what i want cameron never called in he never emailed no he never reached out you know what i expected i thought cameron would come on and be a good sport about it but he wasn't wow to your point i don't think anybody there is is listening to 97.5 the fanatic well they're missing out they're missing out on a radio station that obviously has at least two to three share in the market maybe maybe even two and a half hey hey i will not have you dumping on chicken shit oh my god i'm gonna be thinking listen i'm in radio i'm allowed to make fun of radio's stupid names that we have stupid names stupid i i think i i think at the end of the day in philadelphia the the the problem

will persist and that's i think we're all sort of coming at it from different points of view here i will of course you hope it doesn't philadelphia franchise philadelphia has a great market like what is a great market and is way better when they're winning way better i loved i loved watching Chicago-Philadelphia in the finals. That was pretty good. And the rivalry's there. You know,

and, you know, when Eric came on, he was talking about what it's like to play, Eric Lindros, that is, what it's like to play

in Philadelphia. Oh, the big E. The big E. As we call him. You know, had that, you know, late 90s Philly team

probably had a little more depth and had a goalie, a really good goalie. That team's a Stanley Cup winner. They got Cujo? Yeah. that's a crazy story oh man you gotta if you've not listened to our interview with eric lindross

from like a week at a week ago it's he's unbelievable it's so good he's unbelievable how does the face of hockey history change if the flyers get bork and kujo nuts they they win at least a cup wow at least a cup wow yeah um i think that there is a um there should be if you're philadelphia flyers fan you should have the same apprehension that we did when shanny took over in Toronto and when Shani took over in Toronto I want to I want to set this up Shani took over in Toronto and the first thing he did was he like he uh actually he suspended Nazem Kadri for showing up to practice late which was overdue remember that and it helped it helped Kadri get the last pick healthy also yeah he also kept JVR out of the lineup uh and then you know uh then

but but he we were like there's gonna be change and there wasn't change it took a while what it happen well the Leafs tried to sign Dave Bolin and they offered him five years and five million bucks a season under Shani's watch and the only reason the Leafs didn't get him was because Florida said fine we'll do five years at five and a half million per year so he went to Florida one of the first things he did was extend Randy Carlo well and that was the next thing I was going to get to is he extended Randy Carlo because he didn't want the team to think oh if we just play shitty for a coach we can get him fired yeah no you're stuck with this fucking guy right that was the whole thinking but at the time we didn't know that we're like man he re-signed the coach

that clearly stinks this team sucks and you wanted to retain a center that is absolutely not worth it if if you want to find my video uh talking about that extension it's the one where in the thumbnail i'm drinking whiskey out the bottle because i was just like oh my god this thing's gonna continue to suck well and and so it took a long time to turn it around and i think in philly it's it's not as though the toronto police team back then was void of talent it's just that philadelphia is in the same spot where you got a lot of contracts that don't sort of fit together some similarities actually in terms of like roster construction oh yeah like you don't really have a number one center but you have guys who are fine you have a couple a lot of money on

the wings tough couple overpaid defensemen goaltending is a bit spotty no real star there is no who who is a like when you look at that flyers roster who's a flyer for life on that roster i mean like kevin hayes should be and it sounds like he's gone at like first opportunity and they've been wanting to trade travis connect me for some reason or not or like i don't have a clear answer there you cannot trade rasmus ristolainen you could probably trade tony d'angelo but i think they like him um carter hart's gotta be it right but i mean who's who the who's the player what i mean by that is flyer for life was like who are you building that around when i look at the montreal canadians who are teamed squarely on the rebuild but on their way

up it's nick suzuki and cole caulfield those guys it's like if if you had your way those guys are habs for life it's funny you don't even team around them you don't even mention the number one overall pick you know because he hasn't earned it yet sure no and he might he might but he hasn't earned it yet but there's there's no generational star on the flyers right now and that's why what they've done in the last four years under chuck fletcher has been so egregious because they haven't bought him out to go get that guy and what's been odd is that despite all of those facts being very clear to people they go into every season with extremely high expectations The last Alan Vigneault season, they were expecting that that 2020 season was the real deal.

I thought it was. I thought it was. I was investing in Flyers stock, and they were butt. They were butt, man. I wonder about, and this applies to the Flyers, I wonder what kind of flurry of activity we're going to see after the draft lottery. Because it's going to be a seismic ship.

There's all these teams who are desperately hoping this fucking kid shows up. Right? And if you're the Flyers and you land on the first overall pick, everything's great. Yeah, what if they do it? What if they do it? But what if they don't?

I think there's a lot of teams right now like just sign of the cross, hope and a prayer. And if they don't get one of those top three picks because there's more more guys than bedard but if they don't get one of those top three picks they're like oh we're fucked and we have to do a well and if you don't get bedard you need to be in that top five of the draft for a couple years in a row no matter what getting fantilly and like yeah those that would be a nice consolation you know yeah maybe mitch gov i keep hearing not great things but like the bedard thing is it's just a different

yeah the remember the mcdavid year was like if you fall into draft one position or draft two position we're pretty sure that you're going to end up with a guy who you don't need to continue to be shitty for a couple more years after right eichel right you had mcdavid you had eichel um i'm not sure how that how you would rate the return on that but mcdavid's pretty clear the leafs had to be bad for nylander and then they were bad and they got martyr and then finally so bad they got matthews because they weren't bad enough they were bad enough and then and so so i'm looking at look Let's expand beyond the flyers here. How many teams are like, we just get Bedard?

Think about this. You got Philly for sure. Because if Philly ends up with Fantilli, that's great, but they're going to have to be bad for a little bit longer. Intentionally bad, though, which is better than being mistakenly bad. Arizona. Oh, God. I really hope that doesn't happen.

What happens if Arizona misses on Bedard? uh then there's another player you don't have to pay rookie bonuses to i think nothing changes if they don't get well and if they do get bedard i think nothing changes which is a shame for him i think best case scenario for the coyotes is something similar to what happened to the lease where you're not quite bad enough so you get these high picks but not the first pick but then you keep them away from the team right and then because they've already sort of done that with logan cooley yeah um and then if they're shit for one more year no no it's bedard bedard changes everything for everyone who else who else is in that um columbus let's say columbus

columbus with bedard versus columbus without bedard that's kind of interesting because you give a guy you give bedard a guy like lining and gaudreau gaudreau boy that list that really drops off fast it's like boone jenner yeah yeah like no but if bedard is on that team i mean they're certainly better but if he's not they're still kind of depressing right like think about it if fantilli or whoever else you want to bring up ends up on that team you're like well that doesn't change much for now that's going to take three or four years to change who else is in that conversation anaheim anaheim's in that conversation oh and then you get bedard egress and drysdale wow you don't get him you're just

as depressing and shitty as you were this year there's a lot of teams hanging a lot on this draft on this one guy one guy so here's what's going to be interesting with the flyers guys what will be interesting is the next 18 months because everything there will be some moves at the draft and and and whoever's the gm whether it's danny briere or it's somebody else who takes care of or takes over for danny briere um the moves at the draft will be easy and people will tweet us and they'll be like wow see these the flyers return a quarter and you know the flyers will start next october and because we've talked about it like this they'll go uh they'll win seven games in 10 and people be like see you guys are idiots you don't know they turned it around

quickly the flyers had a great start to this year it's almost as though that happens every year like an annual 10 game win streak yeah i'm i'm telling you this we will not know whether or not manage sorry ownership has backed off for another 18 months this is a trend and it's going to take a long time to figure out and it's very difficult for the flyers to make a bad move because their moves have been so bad that you almost don't have a choice but to make a good move what will be their travis hammond move where everyone goes oh they're smart now exactly now here's here's a little bit of optimism right oh you should be optimistic yeah sure change because it's just a good way to live your life but also if the flyers are going to be doing something this

offseason and at the draft and everything danny briere likely would have been a big part of laying the groundwork for all those things likely we don't know that for sure but we can reasonably assume the assistant to the general manager or whatever dwight dwight troop role they gave special advisor special advisor we can reasonably assume he would have been in the conversations he probably would have spoken to a gm or assistant gm or two so the work the flyers front office put in over the last little while however unsuccessful will at least carry forward like he's not starting from nothing right he's not making phone calls today going hello it's danny right there's there's at least some hope that if you thought they were working on something cool that cool thing might

still happen i'm trying guys i'm trying for you and by the way rangers fans you're allowed to gloat but not that much okay okay why because the rangers fans that i follow who are all really great by the way really nice people um are gloating are just loving this absolutely loving this and all i want to say is guys you know how hockey works let's not tempt the hockey gods you have a fantastic shot at the stanley cup let's just be happy about that they will not be nice to you when you sing so live it up live it up that's true fair enough oh yeah celebrate your victories fuck that yeah one thing just to wrap up on daniel briere um comcast who owns the flyers bought the maine mariners uh i think they were somewhere else and they moved them to maine now

they're the main mariners uh they play in the uh echl echl team hockey team yeah yeah so the echl main mariners daniel briere was running that team from 2018 until he was special advisor oh okay okay ownership has been uh training this guy to run a hockey team and he's he's worked his way up he started the echl there is a track record here of daniel briere doing the work here It's not like he became head of player safety and then friends with everybody in ownership in the league and then got to be GM. That's not how that worked with Daniel Breer. He started running a hockey team and did that for a couple of years and then was special assistant. And now he's GM.

So I'm kind of optimistic for Flyers fans here because of who's in charge. Here's the problem I have with that, which is he's put in the work. But he didn't put in the work anywhere. He put in the work for them. Within this organization. So when you come up with in the loser organization run by loser mentality. Whoa. Whoa.

Listen, Danny Breer is a really smart guy. Yes, he is. There's no question. But is he does he have the political capital in the back rooms to go against the four guys that have been there for several decades? When it comes down to player personnel decisions. Can you look at the best player in franchise history and be like, no, I don't want to do that and get Rasmus Ristelainen?

You need to be able to. You know, if Wayne Gretzky is in Edmonton and you tell him, no, I don't want to do that contract, but Wayne Gretzky wants this guy on the roster. You go to any of these teams, like you bring in the best player and you have him as an advisor, that guy's going to have sway.

And Bob Clark, unfortunately, or fortunately how you look at it, has sway there. I'm going to go with unfortunately. And like, dude, um you being the best flyer ever arguably right or certainly one of them embodies what a flyer should be it's got absolutely yeah yeah a borderline criminal um it doesn't your success on the ice has nothing to do with how you're going to be in the front office bob clark would tell you hey well listen under my watch we went to the finals in the 90s we went to the finals in

2010 and business of eastern conference finals the old guys who are billionaires love looking at the player who they watched growing up and saying what does that guy think yeah by the way what i'm referring to is the flyers like routinely three-on-one beating the shit out of everybody oh yeah oh no borderline borderline like on ice criminals not on ice criminals yeah i think it's i think that's yeah yeah i think people know what you meant we're now we're at the age where everyone we watched growing up is running everything. Yeah.

Luke Robitaille, Rob Blake, Danny Breer, Martin St. Louis. Marc Bergevin. We've watched Marc Bergevin play hockey. Yeah, briefly.

Briefly. Brendan Shanahan. Oh, Shanahan, yeah. Jason Spezza is now part of management. With his little pencil. And probably in the next couple of years,

Wayne Simmons with the Leafs as well. Yeah, definitely. The expectation is he's going to join management too. Oh, I'm looking forward to the Spezza-Wayne front office.

Oh, that'll be fun. Steve. Yes. If we're looking for reasons why the flyers do things you own a hockey team the toronto maple laughs you own them you bring in felix pot van to be a special advisor goalie coach are you not gonna take some whatever felix says and you're gonna make decisions based on that and tell the people who are actually in charge to do things because felix said something in your ear listen did you see how cool his mask

was yeah this is the thing it's like do you it's not comparable you need to let the smart people do the thing well and i wonder if some of these guys even get interviewed right like like what's the interview for a former like a legend of a franchise with the owner hey man um do you know stuff about hockey tell me tell me more about the 93 finals against the la kings tell me old stories what's you know what's so weird you know what the owner should just hire somebody be like tell me just be the story guy be my story you are official story guy the more i learn about like people in hockey and the more i like come to know people in hockey and how they operate and what their day-to-day lives are the more i'm surprised by how people run hockey teams because you would think

that their contact list has like a limit of 30 people and that's just not how it works like they speak to an unbelievable amount of people they have a uh huge uh number of opinions on how hockey should be run a surprisingly diverse set of opinions and the same shit happens you're in you're out yeah it's kind of wild so it'll be uh philadelphia will be very interesting to watch very very interesting to watch steve it's hard to stick to working out yeah would you found that like having your peloton makes it easier to stick to working out it makes it hard to stop is what it does because you just keep going i'm just i'm on it like even when i'm not on it i feel like i am what are your favorite uh classes that the instructors have um i do like

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I want to do a quick shout out. I told you on Wednesday that I was going to the launch for Alphabet Collective, something that Brock McGillis and many, many other people, several members of SDPN, including Sam Chang from Game Over Vancouver, are deeply involved in this. And I wanted to give them a huge shout out because, you know, last night they had a big sort of launch party at the Drake. And, you know, you had major media members from both, you know, Sportsnet and TSN there. Pierre Lebrun had an amazing speech.

brock mcgillis himself had an yeah pierre lebrun came up and he was in tears and he was so touching like amazing um but what was incredible about this group is that you know it's obviously you know we were talking about this with the the pride jersey issue raising its head again with minnesota and i told you it's got to be groups outside of the organizations that are going to make this change and i just i hope you lend them a a follow um at abcs collective on twitter um they are uh an organization that i would uh pay close attention to um and they've just got the right people involved and it was amazing because they did all of this amazing uh um inspirational kind of speaking and then they talked about what the organization is going to be about which is

obviously about creating um space for everybody in hockey which you know walking into a dressing room no matter where you're from and what your sexual orientation is or what your gender is you should feel comfortable that's a pretty basic goal that's what they're trying to achieve and And it was amazing. Some Leafs were there, some former Leafs, some current Leafs, like Ryan O'Reilly was there, Curtis Gabriel was there, Mark Frazier was there. Excellent. And I think it was David Amber was there, Elliot Friedman's there.

And I just thought it was an amazing thing. And I wanted to give them a quick shout out on the show because I'm really excited for what they have coming up in the future and follow along with them and see what's going on. I want to move forward to something else that is a bit of a bug in this studio. And Jesse, I sent you a clip. And this happened in Toronto. So you can be forgiven if you're from outside of Toronto and you don't pay attention to the NBA.

But this made it all the way to first take with Stephen A. Smith. So I figured it was a big story. Oh, wow. And did he dismiss it outright? i send it over text uh do you want me to email um and it's fred van vliet who's been a guard here in toronto point guard for a long time i'm going to send it to your email as well no you did not text i didn't text it no no okay well i'm sorry about that i meant to okay so jesse i meant to so how come you can't just pull i got a nice picture of garbage cans did you yeah yeah oh

okay oh all right that's good garbage cans so here's the the long and the short of it is uh fred van vliet has a bit of an issue with um the way the nba um officiates games one guy in particular yes who he feels maybe is unfairly targeting the raptors and i'm gonna let him sort of take it away here when jesse queues it up but what i respect the most about this is when he talks about i don't i'll take the fine i don't care because you know when nhl players talk about the most we've got and i i respect sydney crosby for this is they asked him about the officiating he said can i even say anything which is saying something which is like i can't say anything because i'm gonna get fined but like fred van vliet doesn't care about the fine that they

leveled at him which by the way was thirty thousand dollars well and marcus smart who's on the celtics was asked about fred van vliet's comments and smart in he cleverly endorsed the comments without like officially endorsing what he said but it's like well he's basically like i'll just let my man fred fred van vliet uh talk instead because but he's endorsing something that fred van vliet got fined for what if everyone just endorsed what fred van vliet said anyway here's what he said so here we go i mean i don't mind i'll take a fine i don't really care i thought you know um ben taylor was fucking terrible tonight um i thought that on most nights you know a couple other you know out of the three there's one or two that just

fucked the game up you know and it's it's been like that a couple couple games in a row um denver was tough obviously you come out tonight you're competing pretty hard the third quarter i get a bullshit tech change the whole dynamic of the game change the whole flow of the game and um you know most of the refs are trying hard i like a lot of the refs are trying hard they're pretty fair they communicate well and then you got the other ones who just want to be dicks and um just kind of fucks the game up nobody's coming to see that shit they come to see the players and um i think we're losing a little bit of the fabric of what the nba is and was and um it's been disappointing this season um you could look up most of my texts this year i've been with

ben taylor officiated so at a certain point as a player you feel it's personal and um it's never a good place to be that's not why we lost tonight we got outplayed um but it definitely makes it tougher to overcome see what i like is that it's important to add that he he takes responsibility for why they lost but he also says listen this this feels a little bit and and the day before scotty barnes had been kicked out on a bullshit technical as well so the rappers are kind of kind of sick of this shit and um one of the things that we've seen in baseball with angel Hernandez we've seen it a little bit with Wes McCauley in in the NHL is these refs for better or for worse in Angel's case for worse in Wes McCauley's case in some some sectors of hockey

fandom for the better where the refs become the story and I think that we need I I want to see something like that in the NHL I want to see and Fred Van Vliet is a star in Toronto he's not like he's a good player but i wouldn't say he's like a superstar he's not lebron he's not but he's a guy that people really respect around the league he's probably the best player on the raptors and he is saying this guy fucking sucked and i'll take the fine i don't care now why can't we get something like that in the nhl and when will it happen because i feel like it's a win i will add that it's that it is personal um so he said you can look it up most of my texts this year have been with ben taylor officiating so kirtika you who on on twitter who's with uh tsn said i looked

it up this season ben taylor has officiated in six games that fred van vliet has played in van vliet has received a tech in four of those six games including two on november 30th taylor has directly called him for a tech in three of the six games so fred van vliet is getting tapped in half of ben taylor's games that's wild that's absolutely wild because the fouls the foul is normal attack yeah i think in both leagues in the nba and the nhl there's an officiating problem with officiatings offici officials getting in the way of the game and making their decisions affect the outcome of the game i think in both leagues it's it's become egregious because of the amount of cameras and television that we all can see all the games all the time because of

platforms like twitter and instagram and tiktok and these moments can go viral that now we can see that these officials are getting in the way and it's a problem because they're letting their personal feelings ruin these games uh scotty barnes in a in a one basket game in the final 30 seconds was wild the jordan pool one did you see the jordan pool no i missed it what happened pass the ball to the ref and it was like slightly off target but like it still bounced and the ref caught it and right away tech in the nhl you can do it's it is absolutely ridiculous every time there's like a makeup call to balance the game and they think they're game managers instead of just calling their rules on the ice it's crazy how all the time power plays and penalty kills

always try to sort of even up for the teams and isn't that strange in every game they're just about equal right and then in the nba you have cases of certain players getting certain calls and instances because a foul is not a foul it depends on what name is on the back of your jersey it might be a different foul in that case or depending on the time of the game you know a foul in the middle of the first quarter isn't a foul in the fourth quarter you know those those crazy instances so i brought that up in my dang it's video yesterday about carlson and what what happened to uh eric carlson when he didn't get a high sticking call he should have it should have in a double minor right so that was crazy by the way i get why he threw his helmet of course but

you can review double minors that are called you can't review the ones that aren't called right and you can only downgrade a double minor to a minor which is you can't take the penalty away which is stupid i don't know why you would do that but with uh carlson so you talk about you know uh you know veteran players let's just say lebron james like tend to get all the calls right who should be getting the calls more than eric harlson like a guy who's been in the league forever he's gonna be one of the front runners for the norris he's won the norris he i think has worn a letter consistently whatever team he's been on uh for the better part of a decade and he doesn't get that call like he has he's the puck carrier and he took a puck to or he took a

stick to the face from alex new hook nothing absolutely it'd be different too if there was some sort of accountability from the referees in cases like those where it's literally we all watched on our 4k televisions that he high-sticked him in the face he is bleeding we all know you screwed up the call and we get absolutely nothing in the end like there's no hey we're gonna make this better in the end hey this i wasn't looking at the play i missed it we all misted the officials on the ice nothing and you gotta move we just all gotta throw our hands up and move on and the nba has the two minute report and everything but that has flaws too are you gonna say what i'm saying no go ahead no the um the tech on scotty barnes um the guy wrote like

a paragraph no the two minute report came back and like the only foul that they made a mistake on was gonna go against the raptors or should have gone against the raptors so like they just yeah because the two minute report helps when there's things like the if there was an equivalent to the high sticking in the nba that they can just be like oh we missed it sorry but when throughout the game they're just calling fouls and giving out texts because of whatever reason if it's a personal vendetta they don't like the guy this guy was talking a lot there during the game so we're trying to calm them down we'll give them a couple fouls under the bench like those sort of things those aren't in the two-minute report those personal beasts that these guys have i just i just

want referees to stop injecting their personalities into the game nobody cares about you like you're the game's not about you at all except for your family call the yeah you know what i'm tired of yeah and sorry just to backtrack nobody cares about you i'm talking about we're i think we know okay we know just before people we know and if people do get mad at you then they're fucking are you fucking serious yeah if he if you got mad at him for that i have to ask you your family cares about you you're very loved yeah but that's the problem love you here's the problem that i find and i'm seeing this i'm seeing this on tv i'm sure your parents love when there is even the slightest bit of criticism people will come back and they'll say oh well you know

he's working hard it's it's a hard job it's a hard so is fred so is fred you know 20 points in the nba you know what i heard this once you know what i feel bad their family's watching what yes somebody said that somebody said that there was a light criticism of the ref they go to break they do a period they come back and they go you know i feel bad about it there was there was i i feel bad about that you know that guy's family's watch he's working hard i'm sorry i'm sorry do you think that what we do on this show is easy do you think that uh what i what what uh a guy fucking hanging off the side of a building cleaning windows do you think that's easy do you think that whatever job you want there is shit that is difficult to do right and if you do a

bad job you're going to be criticized for it if the guy who's hanging 30 stories up misses a few spots and leaves dirt there the company that paid him to do it's gonna be like hey man not good enough oh he's got a family he's got a family they might find out that we criticize we need to be able to criticize people and we need to be able to if the refs are going to assert themselves in the game then you should be interviewed not just the two-minute report you need the press deserves to get the ref in front of the camera and hold them accountable yeah or at least at least release something that no you know how that would work in the nhl i do you know that's why i'm saying head office would be like uh okay here's what you're gonna write you're gonna write

one this not our fault not our fault and not our fault and uh uh fuck canadian hockey teams um that's that's what they would say that's what the nhl head office would be on the phone saying here's what you're writing on every ref report they would never admit responsibility you need to get human beings in front of a camera if they're going to think if they're going to be a part of the game yeah which they shouldn't be also why is fred getting fined 30 grand for that but like daryl sutter basically essentially implying that the nhl rigs games in favor of the toronto maple leafs that's what he did that's what he did why why is there no fine for that david quinn got 25 000 yeah because he was blowing a gas he was mean yeah because he was

mean but when you say it because he was right fuck you you fucking suck is the quote he was a hundred percent his entire rant was completely justified and it was it was fun to see uh him get ejected like a mlb umpire yeah we rarely get that in hockey we get the you're out of here that's such a good point so okay listen you you shouldn't scream fuck you you fucking suck at people okay fine i understand that you should not throw your helmet at people okay fine what about your role in this were you fucking fucked up yeah we didn't who even missed the call what's the name of the official this is the problem we always jump to the reaction to the bad call and then we move on from the bad call nobody see this is the problem with the nhl though

they don't have to own their mistakes no if referees are going to be a part of the game and they are and you're going to make Wes McCauley, he's so goofy he's a goofy guy if you're going to make him a star and you're going to feature him at the all-star game come on guys

fighting isn't that funny it's about as funny as it was the last time come on man and it's a problem in baseball too with the strike zone, especially Angel Hernandez although if you breathe on an ump in the wrong way in a baseball game,

you're out of there. Like, they don't do that at all. They don't handle that at all. Some of them do. But it's just, I felt like Fred Van Vliet deserves credit here because what it does is reporters then go and ask other players

from other teams. And even if the other player from the other team, like you mentioned, Mark Smart, does not say anything, by not disagreeing with fred the implicit agreement oh yeah means something and that can affect what guys change there was a conversation there were meetings about what

fred van vliet said we'll see do you think that the next time that guy refs a game fred van vliet does not get attacked you bet i put money on that or or he doubles down is like i'm invincible i'm referee and nothing bad can ever happen to me because I have a special zebra shirt on and I'm free from criticism because I think that's how they look at it but also if Fred doesn't get a tech the next time that guy

officiates a Raptors game he'll still have four techs in seven games that's a lot eh it's so many like I would love that from scouting the refs because like and like they already have an unbelievable amount of statistics the data they have is crazy

yeah no they do really well but like that that's fred bringing attention to like that's disproportionate and it'd be really interesting if there was an official out there who gives like a disproportionate amount of slashing calls to i don't know pick a player out of a hat blake coleman you know what i mean like wouldn't that be interesting we've seen it happen and we know certain refs don't like certain coaches we know that yeah and players coaches yeah well players the the wildest one and i don't remember if anything came of it look up uh alex burrows and was it something oj stefan oj or was it francois saint laurent was it stefan oj or francois saint laurent i can't remember but

basically what happened is burrows embellished the prior game and the story according to burrows is that official came up to him at the beginning of their next game and he was like, I'm gonna fuck you. And he got called three times. He got called three times that night. And then he said it! I wish it was a better source than Alex Burrows. Yeah.

And I wish it could be anybody else. It's like D'Angelo spearing Perry in the balls. It's like, oh, I don't like either of you. Yeah. Why are NHL officials allowed to walk over to the dressing room and ask for a signed stick? Are they? Oh, yeah. I don't know if that's exactly how it works.

like yeah i don't know if the where his legs are walking memorabilia like there are stories anyway that have been on i mean it was on 32 thoughts i'll just say it was on 32 thoughts where there was an official who had just an ocean of signed memorabilia and the cheeky haha story is the official stored these things at i think their mother's house and they sawed them off for tomato plants which is a tremendously italian story but also what the fuck do you have all that shit for oh yeah what that's completely different than something like jody shelly fighting ty domey and then asking for a signed stick that domey threw over the bench well it's like or a prosecuting lawyer putting somebody in jail and then asking for their

autograph because they're a famed serial killer what the hell is it not happened no but that would be it's an extreme example it is it's the same fucking thing guys that's such i don't know how is that not the same tell me how that's not the same it's not that it's not why it's there i'll be like it's like this and then you go it's like fucked up version of that what's wrong with that what's wrong with that it's because the stakes are a little lower i know but i'm trying to i don't know why you had to raise the stakes to the nth degree what i feel like include murder when we're just talking about hockey okay then he's a famed bank robber that's see hey you're going to crime when we're just talking about a

sport i'm just thinking like oh you know how they got a people are gonna be or the judge asking a judge asking a criminal you're still you're still you're obsessed with this crime i just feel like it's a good one the the stakes are a little higher in your example i think it's weird when it's like oh i'm supposed to call this thing fairly but you know jt signed a stick for my kid dude can't happen can't happen these happen oh come on no fuck you all come on these guys have to be objective guaranteed someone would hear criticism of that story oh come on no fuck you fuck you come on no they can still do their jobs call it down the middle i don't know call it down they don't they don't call it down the middle ever how are you how are you going to be expected

to call something down the middle you're getting signed memorabilia what the fuck like dude as like an associate producer at leafs tv if i had walked up to the members of the toronto maple leafs and asked them for autographs while doing my job i'd be fired if i'd be fired on the spot when i was when I was entertainment reporting I went to remember I went to that Suicide Squad

junket and Will Smith and Cara Delevingne and Margot Robbie if I'd asked any of them for an autograph they would have

escorted me out of the building and so if I did that or if you did that our boss would not only fire us they'd be like what the fuck

were you thinking you idiot you dumbass you get a tongue lashing first but it's cool for the NHL to do it but like at the core

of you like not even as a professional they'd be like are you fucking stupid that you would do that of course I have to fire you

i don't even feel bad that i have to fire you and you get it like you understand that i'd be like well shit yeah no yeah like what a fucking stupid thing i did like and then you would explain that to your friends oh how'd you get fired oh i asked for an autograph and they'd be like what are you fucking i asked will smith for his autograph after i had to interview him yeah oh well yes like i know i'm your friend and everything but you're a fucking idiot and refs are just allowed to do that no that's fucking crazy it's cool have we all lost our minds oh shucks oh shucks can't believe those are the tomato plants oh we should maybe ask a few questions about that that's crazy that's nuts that refs are allowed to do that refs linesmen all of them now i'm not

saying refs aren't allowed to hate players and aren't allowed to uh like other players like certain players are going to be shitty to deal with certain players are going to be nicer to deal with that's just human beings and it's human behavior you're never going to get that and you'll never ever get full objectivity from one person which is why you have four of them on the ice four of them two linesmen two refs yeah and the linesman could still call penalties though right a certain situation so so i count them right yeah so you you'd think in that group you'd be able to get objective objectivity and i just i don't know i feel like the lack of accountability and that the fact that you can like the memorabilia thing is wild yeah that

that wild crazy we talk about it like occasionally every couple months it comes up and it's like how there are certain things in hockey where i i sometimes i sit back and and you like i know you guys are doing the same thing here where you're like wait a second but why like we're telling a funny story about something that happened isn't that hilarious and everybody goes oh no it isn't No, it's like, what? What? Yeah, the Nona part of it is cute. It's funny.

But, like, the whole, the way that it happened is weird. You shouldn't have that. Yeah. I have a Wayne Gretzky signed stick. Oh, when did you get it? While you were working? 1980s. Yeah, it was Edmonton, Calgary.

It was a January game. Did you openly admit that? Yeah, he scored three goals that game. What's the matter with you? Aren't you ashamed? No, I got a Gretzky stick. buy one like what the fuck if you want it so bad what are you doing anyway um i i think in that conversation we let off the hook nh nfl and mlb uh officials

you guys are also bad yeah i'm firing i'm awful robot umpires can't get here quick enough one day no more umpires calling balls and strikes we need that nfl uh referees you guys take more things out of your hands more replay review because you guys are bad one time uh we're switching gears here one time i was listening to 32 thoughts and jeff merrick made a point that was objectively true but also and i would say this to jeff were he here completely in a human way not possible unless you're a mutant oh full objectivity no no this i said i'm switching gears here i'm switching gears here going to a different completely different story we're moving off the refs and it's very serial killers if you're jeff and jeff is right when he made this point

by the way serial killers no jeff said at this point when they were talking about nathan mckinnon's eating habits and they were talking about um nikita zadorov when he left colorado when he was talking that that famous story that apparently nathan mckinnon got upset about but that you know his you know he said guys save the chocolate bars for the you know the off season we're trying to win a game we're trying to win the cup here right nathan nathan chill man chocolate's not gonna kill anyone right um i'm more saying nathan about like getting upset about it jeff merrick said listen at this point with all this money on the table right you got so much money on the table like like and he and he made the point it was like it's not just you but it's your kids and

your grandkids and if you manage your money well their kids as well that that could benefit from this why would you even have a beer in a regular season why wouldn't you just save that stuff for the offseason or just not have it and and so i found it because you know nhl players used to practice and then go get hammered at lunch 20 25 years ago that happened like daryl sitler will talk about that in the late 70s and early 80s they they go practice and then they go go for liquid lunch like he's been he's been quoted in that and i just think it's funny given this quote conor bedard's mom melanie was interviewed for nhl.com and she said this i don't know if you saw this quote no he's never had fast food good ever ever she said he will at some point but he

hasn't eaten mcdonald's or anything yet in his life i think we all know when we eat well how you feel and what kind of when we kind of go off the rails i think he's just aware of that feeling on game days he'll eat chicken rice vegetable shrimp mashed yams chicken salmon it's kind of a rotation No, that kid's going to be one of the greatest hockey players of all time. Fuck yeah. Never had McDonald's. Hell yeah, Connor Bazaar. And he's always doing forearm day.

I love those Coach Chippy skits where he's doing the roller thing. Man, I love Coach Chippy so much. So funny. Doing the AAA haircut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's fucking hilarious. Yeah, I got to do the Puck Daddy podcast with him. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, he's funny, man. he is funny now people need to stop looking at oh it's he's so weird for not eating a strawberry or whatever no that kid's fucking dedicated he's trying to make it the nhl and be one of the greatest hockey players ever yeah kudos give a pat on the back high five but like if you're trying to be uh not the greatest athlete ever like then yeah i mean maybe you have a burger it's fine that's fine i like wendy's i like y'all i love wendy's i love a good wendy's you know what i like though the most mitch's dishes promo code dangle promo code dangle this weekend until sunday night at midnight and you know what's funny what i was thinking to myself i'm like you know what

i'm gonna get wendy's on the way home but then i remember tonight i have to play hockey against jesse oh you better eat your yams and your rice yes i oh yeah do you want to practice like yeah Spearing me in the butt Spearing me in the butt Are you gonna change Hand in this I like coming from behind No

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Two hander Hack the bone Before we do the press conference I wanna run you through something It's a tweet from Mark Masters That just came out Leafs lines at practice Oh fuck

Yeah these are fucked just one last thing to drive steve and you guys crazy before uh we go to uh press conference mccabe brody so jake mccabe tj brody totally mark giordano timothy lilligren hell yeah okay now and these two guys are sitting on the outside this might make you happy if you're not a justin hall apologist connor tim is justin hall whoa whoa but who does that leave morgan riley and eric gustafson what what the fuck is that what on earth is that until luke shen gets here it's that i would rather haul what the fuck i mean okay i'll look at it i guess against the oilers against mcdavid are you sure if those two are caught out against mcdavid the

Leafs are in trouble. Are you getting to that forward group, too? Well, yeah, I can. Well, the forward group is... I mean, it's not great, because you got everybody... Okay, is Alex Kerfoot snakebitten, or is he just not a big goal scorer? Either way, he hasn't scored in 30 shots. Kerfoot, Matthews, Marner.

Nylander, Lafferty, Yarncroke, which we liked. Except, I hope it was erroneously listed as Nylander on the left. I know he wants to play there. I hate it. I don't like... Why? Is he bad on the left? it's not that he's bad it's just i don't like it it's i don't think it's his strength i think he's great on the right bunting tavaris wayne simmons what the fuck is that zach the gta line zach

aston reef david comp and nola charry which is fine that's great sure good and alex steves is the extra now that doesn't mean they stay that way but the power play unit raleigh matthews martyr tavaris gustafson yarn crow kerfoot lilligren switching in for each other lafferty bunting okay like so they have gustafson playing with gustafson and riley playing with riley they are the same people and they're playing with each other i kind of um i fuleman says riley gustafson is a paper mache cannon that's so good i can't see oilers i guess you're anticipating the game being seven six then yeah and you could you could make the point that um that the oilers are um uh it's just practice lines you could you could play whatever you want against the

others tomorrow it's also this is experiment time it's what fifth 17 games i think something like 17 18 fucking run it out just try and figure out game one what the lineup is like this is the thing like this is such a weird time of year uh to be making videos for every game because like i don't know if this if this roster that i would never put out there fails i'll be like well yeah of course it did then when i get mad as if they try it again but even then it's like well we just want to i don't fucking know i don't even know what to make of that funhouse mirror that's the weirdest line up the leafs of ice in a long time but the attempt the try is okay i don't mind the try i but against mcdavid it's like here's here's what

i know here's what i know as a leaf fan i want the leafs to beat the oilers so bad because i edmonton oilers fans are insufferable oh the brew when they when the least lose as they should be and they should be and we are insufferable when we beat them yes so i want i want to be the insufferable one bunting bunting tavara simmons is like a concerted effort to make the slowest possible line that the Leafs can make throw that out there against dry sidle McDavid Hyman what the fuck are you

doing oh god that's a weird well I wonder if they go 11-7 because like I know like the mood the current mood is anti-hall but like he's had some success against the Oilers too that's weird that's weird man let's do the press

conference all right quickly here to head into the weekend i need us to solve a wheel of fortune puzzle also the oilers were fucking fantastic versus the bruins it wasn't even mcdavid who did anything it was the bottom six their offense crazy deep right now they are a lot of trouble uh the or this kind of a deep playoff run ken holland is pointing and laughing at everybody that ever criticized him jesse muttering under his breath yeah doesn't make your moves retroactively good all right so let's uh let's all solve this wheel of fortune puzzle adam if you could direct everybody who's listening okay so so what we have here is a three-word puzzle on uh um uh wheel of fortune and the category is food and drink so the first word is fre blank space blank

space okay then the second word is tropical and the third word is fruit because they figured that out so spell it out for everybody let's solve this solve this fre we need the last two words or letters of that tropical and fruit fre tropical and fruit what do you what could it be no no not E. One E. Sorry, F-R-E blank space, blank space. Yeah. Tropical and a fruit. I'm gonna go with freak tropical fruit. French tropical fruit, actually.

The letter too many. We know it's not freak because there's already an A. That's right. It must be fresh. Spin it or but do something quickly. I'll spin it. So she just added an H. Now. And

Pat Sajak is asking, F-R-E blank space h is the word that you need to fall now again what word weight you think goes in there i would assume fresh now she can still spin even though she knows what the word is because she could potentially win some money but she runs the risk of landing on bankrupt let's see what happens next okay She spins. She's going for a little bit more money. Okay, what letter for you?

I'll go with a G. Juliana, it's your turn. Free tropical fruit. Fresh tropical fruit. Yeah. You know, when that happens and you're sitting at home, you're saying, how in the world can that? But you know, sometimes it's a word

that just doesn't want to come into focus for you. it did for you and in addition to that $650 we're sending you to the island of Antigua God bless Pat Sajak for saving her and making her not look as bad and I know she's nervous I would change my identity

I'd never speak to my friends or family you notice that they show her for a second on camera and then they never show her again the producers and Pat and Van they all know you gotta focus on the winner And not the person who just royally

Fucked up their life Dude, the winner almost seemed like And then And then it's like, and you're going to Antigua Like you're getting a vacation Like if she just said S Tropical fruit Like for the rest of her life

Anytime anyone's like, hey, so I went on vacation Recently, I went to Antigua Yeah, I was fucking Antigua When she's at the grocery store And she sees fruit Oh my god Hey you want to go to fresh No no that's okay no thanks

Oh god You see fresh The word fresh in the world so much Solve it or spin it But do something quickly I'll spin it When she says G Listen Jesse you gotta crank the volume

Listen really closely to the audience Okay what letter for you I'll go with a G. What? The woman who yells what? I didn't catch that. She goes, what?

I changed my fucking name. That's brutal. And you're so right. All the producers did the opposite of what so many TV producers would do these days where they're like oh dear oh this save her save her save her save her no

you know how many would be like zoom in yeah make sure you see every pore on her face but these are guys who've been doing it for 40 years you know and you don't dump on the losers right there's some class in that show i like that american idol man they launched on on making people feel like shit dude there's been a bunch of american idol like are like old american idol clips and i don't think that show would play today never no dude it's cruel well if you watch it's unnecessarily cruel if you watch simon cowell now though he's supportive of everybody on x-factor is it x-factor no what is that no america's got talent oh right he's a judge for that and he's like he's like sitting there and he's like hey this is the greatest thing i've

ever seen and and when he was on idol like at the beginning he was the guy that was known as like i'm gonna fucking put you in your place yeah but like it's one thing if you have like a good singer who could be a great singer and you take them down a peg it's another where you're intentionally picking on people who like everyone knows fucking sucks and the producers would put them through on purpose yeah because yes that's when they're on tv there's three steps they have to go to get there it's a person picking this person out of the crowd to be like okay let's put them on tv so then that week they can be the laughingstock of america you know that that britney spears documentary that sort of made us all look in the mirror and go oh that was kind of fucked up that

was the era like that was the era that's the american idol era yep yep the show was brutal tv's changed like pop culture has changed a lot since then a lot oh that video has 188 000 likes this is just one random instagram that reposted it jesse click refresh 188 694 click refresh i want to know how many it's got during this conversation a couple hundred it got about 100 oh dear oh dear oh did they have to put her face in the thumbnail i know she was on screen for about three seconds too oh man man i would move to the woods i would you'd never see me again and then i don't know what you guys would do good luck with pn because the sd would be gone the sd would be gone we've already told you that it doesn't stand for steve dangle it

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