The Steve Dangle Podcast - Nylandemption | February 25, 2021

Episode Date: February 26, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, visit sdpn.ca! (00:00), Who wore the crown?!? (14:00), The Habs fire Claude Julian (24:00), Barabanov & more Leafs v Flames (39:00), the Leafs Powerplay has struggled lately (46:00), Mike Babcock's interview with Sportsnet's Christine Simpson (1:03:00), goodbye Tim & Sid! (1:39:00), Jeff Skinner (1:43:00), and the press conference! (1:53:00). Originally aired: February 25, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/MBoCUT25iOw Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://ca.manscaped.com/​​​​​ http://betmgm.com/​​​​​ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

all right it's gonna be a big show but not a show of many topics a show a few topics but we're going miles deep because that's what we do sometimes you gotta go miles wide inch deep we're going miles deep inch wide on this one okay i don't understand but continue okay all right well listen there are two major things that we need to talk about before we talk about anything else in the entire world uh actually three we got to find out who wore the crown because that's number one a plus important okay you cannot i don't even know how people function without knowing who wore the crown every day right like we could like the fact that we don't even do the show every day there are people that wake up five days a week because we only do the show twice a week who are like i don't

know who wore the crown today i'm not sure i can get out of bed and to you i say uh godspeed but we will give you the best crown segment we possibly can each and every time uh and then we need to talk about the montreal canadiens why uh there are some news in montreal the juggernaut habs decided they don't need a coach so they don't have one except they do ladies interim second place team or at least they were and number three former Leafs coach Mike Babcock bears all and by bears all we mean we're not really sure what Mike's talking about and his view in picture of reality is different than yours shall we say should we say is that fair guys he's like an ex that you have to see get out of here i'm so tired of talking about him and uh not today though

i'm not tired of talking about him today no no because i held back on tweeting about it you didn't say anything i was a very good boy i watched one snippet and i was like oh okay that's enough that's enough i'm gonna watch it on the show with adam and jesse and we're gonna freak out together i can tell i'm gonna hate it adam do you have the most important thing of the day on that list uh most important thing of the day um i'm not sure do i i think it's important to put it right at the front of the podcast that we're dropping something today oh it's widely available right now you know what is put it at the front do you have the screen ready to share no why because i i haven't prepared that what's wrong with you can you do it now i didn't know

that was something you were you talked about this and i wrote it in the group chat how dare you sir not today today you guys are burying the lead i'm upset that adam didn't have it prepped and forget that jesse didn't have it up and ready i didn't spoil it that's a good point today we would like to announce officially sdpn.ca so first off you're wondering what the sdpn is well the steve dangle podcast well it's just it really doesn't even stand for that it's just sdpn we figured you know sdp sdpn nighttime is uh is the parent company of sdp so that's what it is specifically they own us you know how we have a podcast we like decided to super complicate it and like make a business and stuff yeah so it's

called sdpn and now we have a website with a podcast of one and it's great name s steve dangle podcast ninnies which is us um we are the owners and it's fantastic we're excited uh but that's right does that mean I can put that in my entrepreneur LinkedIn you're Gary V yelling at people to wake up at 4am every day and never quit

on Monday make your bed have you guys heard of Eric Thomas by the way yeah I know Eric Thomas on Tuesday I groan and it gets to Sunday and I wake up and I groan on a Sunday you're like eric we don't need to grind every day like we can we can take a day off let's take a

day off grinding who needs to grind that much i i always see those people and it's like well if you don't want to do that then i guess you don't want to achieve what they have and i'm like you're right i don't right i i don't they don't want to run eight triathlons this month you know yeah no fuck that are you kidding me no way but you can't you can't tell me that post malone got up and grinded every day i think i think some some people skip the grinding part and make it anyway because they're just talented and i'm not expecting to be him either but uh gary it's not the only way uh now so anyway we have a website sdpn.ca jesse what will you find at sdpn.ca who by the way jesse did the whole thing himself yeah we got to launch our first

website which is a lot of fun took a little bit took a while but everything's kind of up and running and if you experience any problems visiting the website please let us know no don't tell us don't hit up the webmaster you know this is our first time doing this so there might be some hiccups but you'll visit sdpn.ca today and you'll see a thing that says watch where you can watch the podcast but you also see something next to it that says shop where you can shop merch of the steve dangle podcast and we have so many fun things available for sale right away first day with the with the launch of the website oh my god like what those things include the classic jesse no mug the oh that's a classic the adams history corner merch line that just

that just launched if you want to go to university what better university than adams history corner university so you can pick up like a beach bag that has the ah ahc logo on it you can get like a shirt with a little embroidered so one thing big embroidered embroidered so this is so important i'm going to take a pause uh from describing what's in the shop to mention that the things in the shop are of quality it was so big for us to find um just a place where we get to get really nice shirts so you'll see like champion gear like a lot of our hoodies you'll see a dangle navy hoodie and it's champion branded it comes from the manufacturer and then the things the logos and the stitching is embroidered like professionally from a great company that we trust and it looks

fantastic so you'll see that you'll see uh dad caps in there you'll see the the beach bag like i mentioned a couple mugs adam has his own mug now very happy with this one it's we're calling it the chug mug because it's adam and he's pointing at you and he says to chug i want you you better chug that coffee when you're drinking it do you need motivation in the morning when you're getting up at 4 a.m to grind there's adam right there help you grind and there's one special thing that is currently uh sold out in the store it is the first ever steve dango podcast hockey jersey oh it's not quite for sale yet yeah we're gonna have a launch date in the future but that's coming very soon there'll be a portal it's not up available today but there'll be a portal

We could sign up for a newsletter and email alerts from the website. That'll be coming in the next like two-ish weeks where you'll sign up, you'll enter your email. And if you're interested in the jersey, just enter your email. And then when that launches on launch day, you'll be one of the first people contacted. And that'll be a limited edition run of about 50 jerseys. They'll all be first edition and you'll get first edition jersey label on that as well. We're excited about that. It's stitched in, which is cool.

Yeah, that's coming in the next few weeks. So watch out for that one. Yeah, absolutely. And here's the thing. I like it. Jesse's got it labeled as Tops, Bottoms, Headwear, Accessories Limited Edition. You can also buy Steve's book

too about the zoo. Steve's tour through the Amazon. Oh, Adam. Through the Americas, through Eurasia. We go all over the place. It's amazing. It's incredible. There's Christopher Columbus

and then there's Steve. Just two Italians discovering the world. best doing their best so yeah this is but this is very exciting like there's even a steve dangle throw pillow which we love um so we're so excited about this obviously like you know um we will add to the store as it happens um you know as we're able to kind of do that but this is a kind of a work in in progress you're gonna see some more growth out of sdpn.ca in the future uh but for now you get book you get you can watch and look at anything that you want here and also when we're

able to do live shows again there is a live tab but if you click on it it says we're in a pandemic dot dot dot actually we will be doing live shows the goal has always been to do a tour but we haven't been able to do one so you'll be able to buy tickets right from the site there we'll uh we'll have it there and it'll be cool you'll see all the dates far more organized than in years passed right and so like we had we had a show uh at kingston booked for april 4th last year and i remember uh it was it i forget what bar it was but the uh it was the it was the house thing and then it went up for sale i'm not even sure if it's still open the guys were so great though and uh we said we would be back and that would be our first show when the pandemic ends so i'm

gonna reach back out to those guys and actually see if they're still around because it would be amazing and i think what we'll do is we'll start to do like the plan is right now to you know wait out the pandemic especially in canada we're taking our time with the vaccines so um it's probably 2022 before we're looking at any live shows again but as soon as we can we will and it'll start in ontario but we're hoping to get through the states western canada western united states maybe one of these days we can do a a euro trip i'd love to do that'd be cool one in england one in you know the scandinavian countries and one in australia as well which is not europe but we would like to do that so we're hoping to place in australia pretend it's our favorite make fun of the other

ones it'll be great hey melbourne how about sydney am i right bunch of idiots and then we'll go to sydney and do the exact same thing love that as long as we do it in the month of january so i can also take in the australian open while we are there that's a good i'd like a double double vacation i think that's a great idea let's do that let's definitely do that let's do that yeah um so in the meantime check out sdpn.ca for all of your jersey slash t-shirt needs we do want to know how many people want these jerseys so definitely sign up there um and then we'll kind of go from there like we're just playing it by ear we don't know how this works crash the site yeah there you go that'd be cool at 4 a.m that better be when that i want to see traffic

spike at 4 a.m when you're grinding oh that's true because you're getting up at 4 a.m to grind it's just what people normally do on the internet at 4 a.m is not what our site is for so oh waking up or going to bed i wonder now wake up at 4 a.m but you can't go on the website until 4.01 because you need to spend that first minute making your bed. Lazy piece of garbage. Does he actually say to make your bed? I don't think that's a Gary Vaynerchuk thing.

I think that's a other motivational woo peddler. I don't remember who it was. Oh, man. Yeah. If I just make my bed, shut up. Go to our website. If only I could make my bed. Yeah.

Here's how you live your life. yeah listen to that guy that's good that's where you should get your advice well you know you know we got into a lot of trouble when we uh when we thought that what was it what's his name the guy that was on joe rogan a million times and had the book and the guy who almost died because yeah who had like a heart attack and was like no i must keep running uh and then and he said sunscreen was for people who are soft what was his name anyway when we when we when we laughed a little at the ridiculousness of that video i got so many dms about people who were like that guy really inspired me which is fair he's an inspiring guy

a little foolhardy though too right good for you yeah no it's like whatever man i'm i'm inspired by by crazy people as well it's all good uh you're thinking of uh mr goggins david goggins yes thank you man and i think his book is called uh can't was it can't beat me or something like that yeah And you know what? I believe him. You can't. When you've got that sort of determination, there's nothing really that truly can stop you. It's called Can't Hurt Me, Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds.

I'm going to read it. I'll read it. I'm not. I'm sure I can pick something up. Audiobook. What the hell? All right. Now, let's get into Who Wore the Crown.

Jesse, Who Wore the Crown brought you by today? This week's Who Wore the Crown is quite special. because it comes from the Steve Dangle podcast Reddit page. So this week it's sponsored by Rob. And Rob wrote, I want to sponsor the Who Wore the Crown segment. I'm tired of all these high profile corporations like the mute button and the right shoe

and stonks getting all the attention like always. So I'm putting my money up. I've donated, he donated to Sick Kids Foundation and he'd like to see a bunch of people will also in the Reddit page donate to SickKids. So sincerely, some random dude on the internet who would like something fun and awesome to happen. So Adam, could you please read Rob's liner?

He donated and he would like to sponsor the segment. Okay, well, Rob, thank you for writing up this liner for me. I do really appreciate it. And I'm definitely not doing this off the top of my head. Rob, Rob wanted this. Rob's getting this. Who Wore the Crown is brought to you today by Rob. Whenever you want to be a good guy, why not?

Why not? Do what Rob did and donate to the SickKids Foundation and you can get your shout out on Who Wore the Crown. Rob, today's sponsor of Who Wore the Crown. What a wonderful idea. Steve, who wore your crown last evening? Well, you know, there's just so many candidates. I mean, think of all the goal scorers. You know, just all the ones who contributed.

You know what I'm talking about? All those ones. But if I had to pick just one. i think i think i think i would go with william kneelander get out of town how is that wow wow i think well out of get out of town brave choice surely you don't mean his hometown of calgary alberta canada true true good point i mean whomst would ask me uh i mean william kneelander holm holmst um so least get scored on it's a little bit his fault but as i went over in my

lfr video i thought he was like maybe third most at fault and then ties the game against unbeatable dave ridditch and scores the ot winner how do you not give it to william nylander i'm gonna give it to him off the board wow that you know what it was a pick that nobody expected but it happened and you know it's interesting steve i thought i was being hipster i thought it was being cool i thought i was going off the board but then you went in and you took my pick william nylander let's talk about william nylander for just a second two goals last night right william nylander scores william nylander scores the way that no that anybody that doesn't like william nylander says he never scores i know that was i could have awarded that probably a little

bit better but William Nylander scores a goal from inside literally David Rittich's mouth which is incredible like he is on his knees he's taken several slaps at that puck he's right in the what areas that's right the dirty areas that that pretty little Swede never goes to right and then how does he score the overtime winner well he drives the net which is something he never does no he always sticks to the outside that William Nylander the outside player who scored 30 plus goals last year within four four or five feet of the net it's an insane stat and by the way he led the league in that category so William Nylander you get my crown because you scored both times the way that everybody says you never score but all you always do you needed the monkey off your

back it happened Willie's rolling again producer Jesse not producer Jesse for god's sakes I gotta stop calling you that Jesse Blake can I uh can I back up from the mic one moment and just give a loud woo for willie he's back baby william neilander all right let's go so jesse back up from the mic like a rookie first things first we need to give his full name william andrew michael jr neilander Altilius actually is his real name.

It must be spoken on the day that William Nylander is the only goal scorer for the Toronto Maple Leafs and he scores the OT winner and he scores that beautiful goal from his knees in front of the net. Full name must be said. That is his name that's on his draft card. Unbelievable. Name of a king.

Crown him. Crown his ass. Second point. If you want to crown Nylander, then crown him. William Nylander, if you are a fan of any other team that is not the Toronto Maple Leafs, he is the leading scorer on your hockey team. He would lead 42% of the teams in the NHL in scoring if he was on the team.

Oh my God. That's 13 different teams he would be the leading scorer on. Don't tell me William Nylander isn't a great hockey player. He showed up in the last two games. He's got benched and he learned his lesson. Everybody keeps saying he's the first guy in practice, last guy to leave. His teammates love him. What more could you want?

That's what you need, a guy who shows up in key moments, OT, and a guy whose teammates love him. William Nylander gets our crown back. Even Steve Simmons was impressed. I mean, some assembly required with the article today. Was there an article today about it? Oh, I haven't read it yet. i probably wouldn't have read it anyway but no i also haven't read it yet i do have a personal

question for jesse but it's going to start with i got to bring steve on side with something here steve have you ever said something that when it came out of your mouth and you saw jesse's face face's reaction to it you were like probably i'm a little out of off base here uh all the time whenever i'm not sure about something i'm like what does jesse think right a bit of a voice of reason you know what i mean for sure also whenever whenever he smiles i'm like ah good stuff made him laugh our big thing at virgin radio is if we've made jesse laugh we think we've been funny like if in the in the morning and and uh he is the voice of reason in the studio because uh typical performers we're a little up and down from time to time you know where is he

he sits on the throne like a roman emperor and has his thumb like this yes and we say something and we're just waiting to see where it goes that's right i'd kill a killer by the way do you want to hear a weird history fact adam's history corner when do i uh when he's doing that in the gladiator usually if you go down that in the movie means kill him in real life if the emperor gave the down signal that meant save him don't kill him why but they they changed it because they thought that audiences would be confused by it i would have been yeah because this means no good this means great so what does what did that mean in the olden days so in the olden days let's say jesse and steve get into a fight and i'm the emperor okay and you're this is the coliseum

and jesse has steve pinned and he's looking up at the emperor do i kill him if i say i look at the crowd and i'm gonna i'm gonna do what the crowd tells me to do so if the crowd's like kill him i do a thumbs up kill him oh because you're agreeing with the crowd no no thumbs up means kill thumbs down means safe why that's just the way it was ask them man go back in time it means don't kill them as in don't like as in no no no okay okay yeah yeah yeah so anyway that's that's that but i i do the reason i'm asking you doing this whole long thing about jesse steve oh right there was a point a to make him uncomfortable b um when jesse gives you that look do you not feel a little bit like i'm very exposed and vulnerable right now oh yes it's like immediately removing

all my clothes how do you feel wow that's that's pretty hot uh how do you feel true and or how do you think willie felt when jesse stopped giving him the crown a couple weeks ago because that did happen you know if there was a person in the world and there is one who gives less of a hoot than Jesse that's what they always say about Jesse he doesn't give a hoot but if anyone

gave less of a hoot than Jesse it'd be William Nylander third place by the way is Alex his brother Jesse's sandwich right in the middle they make up the Nylander triplets what about his dad oh no he

Nylander didn't give a shit. You should see some of the contract negotiations that guy did. Yeah, didn't he just get a better offer and go, bye? Yeah, he signed the contract with the Oilers, and you've got 24 hours to rip it up. And the Rangers came in and said, we'll offer you more. And he went, see you later. I'm taking advantage of that.

Yeah, it's crazy. I would say that I think William Nylander might have been affected by Jesse because there's only so long any of us can go without Jesse's love. And Jesse, it must have been hard for you. You broke your own streak And people don't even realize it There was a couple of people who were like He gives it to him every episode

I'm like, I don't think you've been paying close enough attention It really was like a breakup Yeah, it was It was like rehashing Liza and David all over again It was like You never want to relive painful memories But it felt like that But they were amicable

They were amicable You guys had to split up And then it was like, go to him liza was so big back then compared to him and he is now so much bigger than liza he's he is thriving yeah madison beer comes to it comes to his house and opens beer bottles with her teeth it's crazy i know who that is that's a person oh steve you don't know madison beer i'm positive i've heard of her charlie de mello demelia uh yes emilio i know enough about her that i know you said it wrong yeah there you go there you go what was the one i didn't know uh jack um oh jack harlow when

And you looked exactly like him with your hair. I know him too. Anyway, today's Who Wore the Crown brought to you by Rob. The next time you want to be a good guy like Rob, why not? Why not? Log on to our Reddit page. Let us know that you donated. Show us that you donated to the foundation.

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Anyway, will you get your shout out on Who Wore the Crown? You get to be the official sponsor of that particular episode. rob thank you for coming up with such an incredible idea gentlemen i got a question which montreal citizen would like to line up first to eat the crow who do we pay oh oh adam who is anybody is anybody over the world who well okay but you know i mean i that's fair that's fair could be some toronto living montreal fan i just want to say um a collective eat this crow to all of you okay now i am not celebrating next podcast and bring it honestly i wish that there were games i would drive to the bell center this weekend and start

handing out crows to montreal canadians fans like fake ones like rubber crows or something yeah adam's i am up red dead redemption 2 tonight listen i think i might have celebrated a little too much because i feel like here's the thing when claude julian lost his job i wasn't celebrating cloud julian losing his job i was dunking on all the habs fans who got pumped after seven games four of which were against the canucks about how great this team was wasn't just habs fans it's a lot of folks are art listen d'artagnan cj fourth fourth member of the podcast he was he called them a juggernaut he called them a juggernaut and said they're not slowing down they did they did now the victory dance happened yesterday i don't want to get too crazy on it

today because i really don't know where there is to go with this honestly other than the montreal canadians are well underperforming themselves and as i said in the off season my issue with the montreal canadians is the same issue we saw with the leafs the reason i didn't want to crown them early is because we've seen this movie before from teams leaf teams that should have been awesome but weren't and that is because you can throw a bunch of players in the room young players good players that are that are you know long-time nhl vets it takes a while to gel and you got to have a coach with the right system that's going to fit them now i do want to get into the specific reasons why cloud julian was fired in a second but first you know when we break down

the off season that mark bergman had and he spent a ton of money you know the molson family's doing okay so you know canadians can do that but no other nhl team is spending that kind of money this offseason i've heard of their products mark bergevin i'm niche very funny mark bergevin deserves credit for and i saw elite fans like dancing on what he did this offseason i have to tell you i think he had a very good offseason do i think do I think the Josh Anderson contract's great beyond year four? No, because I've seen it before with David Clarkson, which didn't even last one year. Do I think that Tyler Toffoli is going to shoot 20% for the rest of the year? No, I don't think Tyler Toffoli's good, but they got him at

a discount and for four years in a place that frankly has trouble signing unrestricted free agents because of the high tax rate. And look at that. Tyler Toffoli sign, that's really good. Nick Suzuki's a good player. Yes, very cocky. And Yemi's a good player. And by good player, I mean, they're on their way up. Nick Suzuki's going to be a star, but he's not a star yet. And what I was saying in the offseason, but as I cautioned everybody, and that's all I did, just be careful when you don't have game-breaking talent fully developed yet, because we saw that.

Leaf fans have seen this movie. We know. That's the term. That's game-breaking. That's the term. There is not a person on that roster who is currently a game-breaker, except for Carey Price. but Carey Price doesn't score goals.

No. And so the issue becomes if you're going to score by committee, which the Habs have tried to do for years and years and years, you are going to dry up. Hell, the Leafs have a game-breaking scoring talent and they dry up.

It's something that happens. But it seems as though there's a lot more issue here. I mean, we're 30% or 33% or whatever into the season. So a third of the way in, Marc Bergevin says we need to make a change. why cloud julian because he trained he'd done everything else for cloud julian and they were

still struggling so steve what do you think it was about claude's philosophy about his effect on the players what was it that was really holding the canadians back that would push mark berger to make a move like this i don't know if it was hold them back i think uh just sometimes coaches get maxed out it's like what i was talking about with john tortorella um and he's the blue jackets are still fine but like he has a shelf life players get tired of them um and claude julian he might be the stale voice in the room here um it obviously wasn't working out and this is heartless but i wonder if it's part of the equation the montreal canadians were not good last year they were terrible they were 24th but they managed to squeak into this

unprecedented playoff bubble situation and claude julian of no fault of his own uh has to leave the bubble and go to hospital and he does not return to the bubble that's obviously not his fault and he shouldn't be punished for that but when the habs had their success there the habs got to peek behind the veil they got to have a little gander at something they were probably already at least considering in the back of their mind which is because if that season ends and they just play 82 games and finish 24th and they don't get any of that glory there in the bubble then they're just a crap team that's it that's the end of the story right but they saw how good they could be and then they start the season you know we we talk about the

beginning of the season it's not necessarily an accurate representation of what your team is because coaches don't have a chance to really put a saddle on the mustang you know what i mean yep they it's everyone's just running wild it's a lot of high skill stuff and the habs had a really good start and then as the season progresses goal scoring gradually goes down because everyone sort of figures out their defense and one of the teams that suffered the most is montreal i think they were just done they were just done with claude julian i loved that point you brought that up in our little group chat last night and it's like the habs did their best when he wasn't the coach and remember they had that five nothing game the day that he went to hospital

Big emotional game. I feel like that was against Pittsburgh, but it might have been Philly. But all the same, it was an impressive, impressive way to play. And I think that's what really last, you know, last fall put that Canadians on the map in terms of people's like, oh, there might actually be something bubbling here. And, you know, you're right to think that at that point, because that was pretty impressive. It was amazing. The fact that they beat Sidney Crosby and played really hard against Philly, they're just sort of outmatched. um and i've i've wondered this because i've never had coaches really i mean you know my little my

little kid uh sports growing up whatever but like at the professional level at what point do professional athletes like hear a coach that they've had for four years for example and go okay no i know how to do those things though i already know how to do those things yeah like can you tell me something else and coaches do evolve but a lot of them rely on the same tricks will the new habs after you know some time know how to do all those things that they did under claude julian and now pick up some new toys you know what i knew new skills new things that they do yeah do you guys think mark bergevin's out of time like does he have any more moves i don't i know his record in front of me as

first time with the Habs, but it hasn't been the most impressive resume. No. Carey Price has now had six head coaches? Is it four or six? I don't think it's up to six. Yeah, I think it's like five? Price has been the goalie for longer than Bergevin's been the GM.

Yeah. So here's the issue. In a vacuum, like I look at this offseason, Edmondson we didn't love, but it didn't cost him anything, and he's been fine. Sorry, it's price's sixth head coach thank you to mike steve it is yeah to me yesterday wow awesome awesome wow so edmonton pennies on the dollar jake allen pennies on the dollar and they found a way to

extend him for less than he was making if i'm not mistaken yes then uh there's toffoli you know everyone oh they can't attract free agent talent and they do there they make a real nifty trade with josh anderson that contract's probably gonna suck doesn't suck yet he's had an abundance of draft picks and he's drafted really well and the patcher ready deal you know controversial nails it he nailed it he didn't the thomas tatar deal like where he got tatar great was that part of the patch yeah yeah he was it was i think it was a nick suzuki a pick and tatar yeah and tatar led the team in scoring last year with 61 points i think and then you look at the domey deal like he won the domey deal both of them right both one both domey yeah yeah to get a man to trade

him away you know what i mean he but then they get on the ice and they're that right you know what i mean like the amount of stuff that he wins i'm like why are you still but there's still no game-breaking talent where are your where's your playoff resume well they did there there were some i mean yeah even the shea weber trade was a i mean they won the gallagher contract too yeah take a gander at the gallagher contract that thing's ridiculous the shea weber has worked out for him he gets ben charotte for like nothing and he's up on the top to get to know right like you know the to know the to know romanov trade for Fleischman and Weiss.

He's made the team better, but at what point do your accomplishments matter and the fact that this is now head coach number three? Now, I'm going to say this. Marc Bergevin is keeping his job and he's not going anywhere. He's got a great relationship with Jeff Molson. He signed a seven-year extension,

i think five years ago we all thought that jeff molson was nuts but i think it goes till the end of next year and um guys uh he's not going anywhere and you got to look at that resume in as a whole he's winning most of those deals uh but they i think that this is a team on the rise who um i i don't the way i see the montreal canadians is this you you need a head coach that's going to play the system that montreal needs to play to win right they're going to have to be uh uh heavy on the offense cycle cycle cycle very fast and they got to be a little bit more how do i say this a little more crisp on the passes and stuff you know what i mean like i know that seems like a basic thing but i want to see more zip in the in the puck movement because they

have the skill to do it but you saw a little bit more it seemed like a bit more of a like it reminded me of watching the flintstones like bam bam like when they were playing do you know what i mean it was just i feel like they can play a little bit more finesse game but with guys like josh anderson in the lineup you're still going to throw some hits and i think that the montreal canadians are team on the rise i think bergevin's job's safe look at that roster i mean most teams in the nhl be like yeah i will take that for sure suzuki and cock and yemi are both going to take strides on the automatically better there and you know like they've still they have kale flurry and they've got a ton of great prospects one of the best systems in the league do they not

uh they've done they've drafted really well so there's there's a lot a lot to love about the Montreal Canadiens we'll see what coach Ducharme is able to do uh very very interesting and I think is Alex Burrows too an assistant coach yeah I was surprised to see Kirk Muller go the one thing I'll say is this we you know hockey and thinking outside of the box and all that I know keeping the same guy that you've had since 2012 doesn't seem like thinking outside of the box but what I just said I'm like I like the vast majority of the things that GM has done and then i go but you know he's had to fire a couple coaches and he should get fired too because i don't know you're just kind of supposed to after enough coaches that's dumb

that's that that whole uh all that gm he's used his bullet you know that's it oh he's used his bullet that was dumb do you like the job he's doing i do if i'm a habs fan i like the job he's doing yeah and i i get the questions right anytime that there's a failure on a level below you gotta look at the guy that hired him right there that's totally fine but i think mark bergevin did his job especially this offseason they had a big offseason they did great they got two young centers on the way up i can't imagine why philip to know his name isn't any trade rumors at all because they need to hang on to him as well they've done really really really well um the montreal canadians are a good hockey team they're going to make the playoffs this year it's time for a change and uh i just

as i said then and as i say now it takes a while for teams to gel it really really does you're going to see a lot of failures first and that doesn't mean that the montreal canadians don't outperform the leafs in the playoffs because god knows the leafs are super good at underperforming in the playoffs i get it but what i'm saying right now is i don't think they're they're going to win the regular season division i think that's pretty clear and i'm i meant it at the beginning of the season and i mean it now they need more time and they'll get it and they're going to be very very strong for a lot of years to come fair can you also give the people what they want to hear what they want to hear just a big emphatic i was right oh i was right

uh heal adam eat this crow there you go thank you i like it also um uh uh i you know watching the leaf game last night it was a little bit um it's a little bit funny and i tweeted this uh we'll do a little bit on the leaf game before we get to babcock i'm a little i'm not sure how to feel about this particular situation let's hope you guys can help me out with this okay so the first 19 games i'm like wow leafs look really good barabanov does not lat the last two nights barabanov's looked amazing like who is this guy and leafs have looked not good so is it is it that barabanov's better recently got some confidence or is that the leafs around him haven't looked as good

oh he is absolutely playing for his nhl life and he's he's earning it what a player that's there's a player there yeah and and he has until like frankly I'm surprised they left him in and took Patan out because based on the way they've played this season I don't know that he earns that I think that's just Keefe sort of throwing him a bone there but he has until the Leafs decide Alex Kalchenyuk is ready basically or until Thornton comes back or until basically the next game is not guaranteed for him travis boyd can be fairly confident he's getting in next game yes uh barabanov your next nhl game and that includes last night could be your last like always could be and you'll get could be a wave for a mutual contract termination could be a wave

to see if you'll you'll go to go to another team could be a trade he's he's fighting for his nhl life and i'm starting to feel like i finally know him like i was saying like he's one of the only players in a leaf that's worn a leaf uniform this year where i go i don't even know you and it's not it's not a criticism necessarily i mean you do want to make a name for yourself but i like he played so little i didn't even know who he was now i know him as like a relentless puck pursuer he's feisty he does have some skills he's had at least two or three really really glorious scoring chances this year that he just wasn't quite able to finish i mean him and every other leaf not named william nylander against dave ridditch um but in terms of the least not looking

very good adam i disagree so i think they played what so hold on so let me let me qualify that sure last the first game against the flames and these two games that was not good it wasn't the best fair i agree with you there yeah and i just said last week and then last night i'm talking about the first before the third period where they really took off and they did but it was shots were kind of especially in the first period didn't the flames have them like have them on the ropes a little bit in the shot department and the scoring chance department it wasn't great and there might have been for a little while but i went through the video today the leafs outshot them in every period last night including 12 to 3 in the third which was the only one the flame

scored in uh somehow it's it's absolutely ridiculous even though i i think we're confusing the leafs not being good and their power play not being good they went 0 for 11 for the first time in a very long time i don't even know dating back to last season when the they had the timer on and it was just like leafs power play has a score in this amount of time you're just clicking and it's at like 20 minutes or something like that sports just has a ticker going it was brutal to watch that's one of the best power plays in the league it was number one for the whole beginning of the season until this little streak i can't be now not now up until like this run but yeah they have they had a goofy power play though to start the year they did like it was the percentage was

insane but five on five through two games they drew 11 calls uh on the flames to like to me that's a team that's doing good things at five on five even the loaded up line in the first game that a lot of us didn't like each player drew a penalty at five on five that means they're doing good things they've got the puck they've got the damn puck um they just i don't know i don't know what the what spell the flames penalty kill had on the leafs or dave riddich had um god what a weird combination like what a dave riddich and alexander georgiev like the leafs just die at the feet of one a goalies yeah it was interesting too to hear i forget who it was was it anson carter in the uh in the intermission who's awesome by the way holy crap where's he been

uh he was he talking about um oh i don't subscribe to that that's probably why i didn't know that um the uh what was it the when he's talking about that that rich worked with a guy who helped helped him work on his focus during this during the off season and i thought that was interesting because you know when you are performing at a high level in anything i'm talking about performing i'm talking about you know you have to be focused for a long period of time people that that have to like focus like that imagine like a paramedic you gotta focus to be a paramedic right you're focused that's a you're in there if you lose focus for a second that it's life or death you're not checking your phone right in sports terms not life or death but life or death in

sports terms you know you got to be right on the money if you're a goalie all the time and think about how long that is you know 60 minutes of hockey three hours of your life every time you get in there that's a real that's a real mental gymnastics most people cannot do that and even the players don't have to do that you want something wild yeah no toronto maple leaf not named william nylander scored on dave redditch in 2020 whoa uh the last leaf not named nylander to score on redditch was in a 4-2 loss um it was mitch marner in the second period of a game on december 12 2019 and it was assisted by cody cc he and and and the leafs uh that was a really good game they were out shooting the hell out of the flames they had a random boom boom boom at the

beginning of the third period if you remember uh and they felt for whatever reason this guy just he gets it he's yep i it's so he was oh and three heading into this two game series it makes no sense but he's unreal and he deserved the win like he really did if we're talking about a guy that should have stole the game at state british yeah yeah flames did the so i i do want to ask this too um how much how much do you put into the power play struggling the last couple of games so what i mean by that is you know the leafs one of the big issues in the past especially under mike babcock who we will get to in a second um one of the big issues was they never adjusted so they'd come out roaring in the first 20 games and then people would figure them

out and they'd be like no we're just going to hammer this system over and over and over again and by the time game 82 rolls around you know us inside and out and boston's going to clobber us and they never really fully clobbered the leafs it was pretty close but the reality and by the way i just want to throw that out there for anybody that wasn't paying attention the two times that austin did beat us recently was close um but i do i do wonder like is it a five game stretch where you go okay after five games we scored one power play goal time to switch it up or is it a 10 game thing because it can't be two but that was pretty distressing was it not yeah i think it's i think it's power play to power play and what drove me nuts because i was they they changed up the

personnel for a while it wasn't until one of the last power plays that they really divvied it up um but they looked a lot like in terms of makeup they look like the leafs top unit from last year now they scored a bunch of goals their percentage wasn't actually that bad but what was the number one criticism people talk about the stupid drop pass well why do people need the stupid drop pass because they never gained entry because they couldn't gain entry and that was the leafs problem against calgary you can't say uh you know oh they just weren't bearing their chances they didn't get any because they couldn't get in the zone right what the leafs have done such a good job in the power play uh this year what is when the puck is in uh it's going in your net like once

it crosses that blue line and they set up you're screwed you're in a world of hurt austin matthews is either going to rip a wrister he's going to one-time it mitch marner can one-time it now you have a combination of wayne simmons and joe thornton and william nylander and john tavaris who can just bang it in down low zach hyman can fill in and that role sometimes travis boyd got a power play goal his first career power play goal um you know tj brody is very good at his job miko letton and uh morgan riley it's so versatile and i really like the even splitting of those two power plays can i make an excuse for the leafs guinea i apologize jesse blake leafs apologist speaking um how much does their struggles over the last what is it like

six five games ish have to do with all of the injuries they've had because with all the guys going down they've kept having to switch around the power play especially with wayne simmons going down early that was early still but um just like all the little injuries too and they had so many guys come in and out of the power play how much has that affected it it definitely affects it obviously i mean they were using jimmy vc you know what i mean even boyd like that's not an ideal option there's a reason it's boyd's first power play goal shouldn't be on the power play That dude's on your fourth line, and then there's Vesey who probably should. I got to say, you said Barabanov's fighting for his life.

I think one James Vesey, if the play doesn't pick up when Simmons and Thornton are back and Robertson's back, I can't see where he fits in the lineup. Yeah, yeah, he's really... Been a letdown. It's too bad. He's been a letdown, and it's not even... Now, what did I say about the Vancouver Canucks of 2011? There's nothing to complain about,

So they find someone to complain about. And ours is Jimmy Vesey. Like he, the Leafs over the last forever have had bad players. Vesey's not even bad. It's not bad. He's just kind of there. You know what I mean? He needs to find his thing.

He's an effective enough penalty killer. He can skate. It's just nothing really happens positively or negatively, except for that penalty that was kind of boneheaded in the first there. um but you know as as much as i want to microanalyze the leafs power play i think you just got to give the flames their props they did a really really really good job of uh holding the leafs at their own blue line and frustrating the hell out of them that's it now with that we'll leave kind of last night's game what is the next game you guys know i'm paying attention i think

it's saturday and i i have no idea who it's against i don't even look anymore like this season's gone so fast man it's bizarre i i was thinking i was saying that the other day to somebody they're like you know there's a leaf game tonight i'm like there is like and it's not because i wouldn't have caught it eventually but i was just like i i so it's what's that oilers oh that'll be a big matchup oilers are seven and one since i called them mediocre as i keep hearing from oiler fans in my messages don't worry you guys will fall back to earth too it's okay wow wow the leafs are this is a big little stretch a big little stretch wow god i'm so canadian this is a big stretch here um they got three straight in edmonton they got a back-to-back

with travel for the first time this season i think where they and after the third game against edmonton they play vancouver for two and it's not we the next leaf home game is march 9th that's a long time that is a long time where they finally play the jets again they got three straight against them that will not be a fun series by the way that's that's they're gonna The Jets are going to try to make the Leafs hurt. You talk about a stretch where your season could get squirrely fast. You got the red-hot Oilers. Your confidence gets shot, and all of a sudden,

you lose one or two to the Canucks. And then you got the Jets, who are a top-three team in this division. And you got to play Connor Hellebuck. It's crazy. We're going to find out what the Leafs are made of. Yep. Now, I quickly – I ran this by Dom LeCision, and I think this is an important thing.

There's been a lot of talk about this being the weakest division. And I, Jesse brought it up and there've been other people who I've talked to over text. Like, yeah, like, please are good. But like, I don't really believe it. And these are Leaf fans because Leaf fans are the most, like, we have no faith in this team ever. And, and so I said to Dom, like, listen, you're smart. I'm not.

Tell me if there's any statistical reason why the North division is, is, or is not better than the rest of the league is it's any different at all and here's what dom said to me uh he said people think bad defense equals a bad team no one is saying the north is the best offensive division in hockey he said it's hard to say with any real certainty which division is the best but he suggested that maybe it's you may not have those defensively smothering teams like dallas but you do have some of the best offensive power in the entire league in this division and you're seeing that with uh Marner Matthews McDavid Dreisaitl being at the top four of NHL scoring right now and so there are it's just a division with different strengths you know

obviously there's going to be some sort of mathematical equation that comes up that shows one way or the other and I guess we'll find out in the playoffs but don't count the north division out quite yet I don't think they're as bad as you think they are uh the Jets certainly don't feel that way the Oilers certainly don't feel that way the Leafs and the Canadians don't feel that way they're performing well and you got to remember you've got the league's leading score heart trophy uh vesna winner all in this division and all of these teams have made the playoffs all of these teams have made the playoffs in the last three years well and you know what's interesting is because you can prepare for the playoffs all you want but ultimately you got to

play your division the most even when it's not 10 times in a season like this year the atlantic was speedy and i'm talking about last year's atlantic speedy and annoying yep there's lots of nuisances in the atlantic lots of speed lots of skill the metro was uh very intense i would say if that makes sense then the central got a little heavier the further you go west and then the pacific division is just heavy so really it's a division you got to survive i don't know if it's really that anymore because it's kind of fallen off a little bit in terms of quality but you know part of the reason some of those teams struggle like the kings is they're a little bit too heavy maybe canada's identity is just high intensity scoring and think of how weird it is

because most divisions in this season aren't actually that different from what they were except for canada that spans an entire country that is a six and a half hour flight across yeah it's it's uh it's different it's very different so like it's got to be a weird i imagine it was weird for the leafs looking west going well we didn't really build our team for that and for like the canucks for example looking east and going well we didn't really build our team for that you know what i mean because that's not who we build our team to be mediocre in a bad division said the canucks that's it's not who those teams built uh you know lock guys up to contracts it's not who they expected to play really yeah yeah and i i dom also said he thinks

personally that the east is probably the worst division but i like if i were to look at um they're all sort of like I mean there's there's have and have nots everywhere I think you know what I mean like the central is the wonkiest like people are crowning Chicago and Florida right

how about it's the weird like you know how we talk about the beginning of the season is unpredictable and no team gets into a flow who in the central has gotten into a flow I'm just looking at that well because there was the COVID stuff yes um and west is the same dallas has still only played 14 games come on chicago surprises that

many yeah yeah yeah and dallas is not last in their division despite the fact that detroit has played 21 and nashville played 18 they still have less points nashville is bad uh detroit um okay i'd just like to point out as well that i'm happy that also i don't want to talk because they're testing the fire alarm in my building and it's been going off occasionally so i've been on mute here for god's sakes oh it's just it's been ridiculous um also now that i know that the american teams don't have to play each other they just still play in their division like the north division then what is the argument here you know just it's just an easy narrative it's an easy it's just easy and steve hates that word narrative but it's an easy thing to say

no it works here it's and also it's so canadian like we can't compliment ourselves canada canadians are not allowed to compliment themselves every time an american celebrity comes up so what do you think of canada do you like it i hope you like it we are like that and we are like that we cut the uh we cut the flower that goes too high or that grows too high that that or what's the rose that grows too high yeah every every canadian that does well we're like screw that fucking guy yeah amongst canadians were like go leafs were the best and then oh gosh the bruins and lightning are good no but like the alignment of teams and how they play and how they perform during the regular season it's all it's random it's random luck and the fact that they build

the schedules to be balanced like that's that's the only thing you can do to uh even the playing field but otherwise you don't know how a team is going to perform it's still not balanced at all it's balanced in terms of who you play it's not balanced at all in terms of circumstance yeah police had 14 back-to-back scheduled last year the Leafs played the Habs I think it was four times on a Saturday night three of them were back on the second half of back-to-back with travel against someone else what i think that's going to change also i think the um i think this this i i actually think it is and i think the players association's talking about the owners are talking but think about this if if the league were to just play like three game sets or two game sets

that were not back-to-back nights not only is it cost less because just the air travel goes down by like a third western teams the whole thing about western teams is the travel why do you need to travel every night why can't you play three games in a row against each other why not baseball does it smart like i don't like i've never understood this like well we got to play this and jump on a plane and be somewhere else what does it matter so like it really doesn't right and i think the interdivisional play that the nhl has tried so hard to shoehorn into the playoffs make it happen during the regular season man like that's how you get teams to hate each other play each other a lot and don't travel so much you don't need to and also like it's a pr win

yeah we are a green league we don't travel as much as we need to yeah i think in like five years or whenever we're looking back at this little era i think like um double headers or staying in your own city to play the other team is going to be a holdover from covid that exists in in the nba and nhl specifically because those and it's a good idea those are the two leagues that have the idea right now because it's necessary for travel but i think going forward it just makes too much sense it's easier on the body you're not catching as many flights and it's easier on just planning in terms of the schedule you play two nights here you know it just makes sense the mlb uh uh yeah and longer at home with your family too yet longer away but also longer at home more quality time who

who doesn't want that yeah uh so anyway um let's get into mike babcock jesse is the alarm off in your building are you okay i think so it hasn't gone off in like the last two minutes so they might be done the test i always love that when they come over the last week like half an hour it's gonna be half an hour get up that's literally what happened i don't know if anybody heard is there any reason why they can't get an intercom system in 2021 to work like why does that always have to be 20 it's 2 a.m get up get the fuck up get out of bed get out we're we're testing the alarm get up uh you know what i mean like it's just install a good intercom what's the problem it's not like speakers are hard to come by you know i i just haven't had

this problem i know in oshawa i just you know it's funny no i was just discussing that yesterday while getting my haircut um oh sorry sorry go term region we're in the gray zone no we're not no we're not even in the gray zone we are in lockdown my friend we're in the lockdown zone for anybody doesn't know what we're talking about we have a weird color-coded system here um green does mean go but red is not even the worst um there's there's like blue and gray and then lockdown so we're in lockdown and then we're just trying to get to gray so we can we can go out and buy something from a local shop anyway bonnie um a local shop yeah a little mom and pop called costco so i'm hoping we get to the red zone because bonnie the mayor of mississauga is

pleading for peel to go to the red zone after lockdown so the cromster all right um bonnie monster monster across canada in a volvo destination vancouver turn left to leave travel west through approaching continue toward you've arrived adventure and comfort with volvo whether you prefer gas plug-in hybrid or fully electric there's a volvo for everyone learn more at volvocars.ca the uh okay so let's get into mike babcock so we had a request and this is going to be a very different type of video uh that we go through and we used to do this a lot and then we lost the ability to do it with covet and now we found that we can do it again we're going to go through the video of chris simpson who we freaking

love by the way who is the most positive person on the face of the earth truly and mike babcock Chris Simpson, by the way, incredible journalist, incredible reporter, beyond reproach. And I want to, for everybody that was criticizing Sportsnet yesterday for putting this feature on the air, it will be the most looked at thing on their website today. Way to go, company man, Adam. Just like with The Athletic, when Pierre Lebrun did his first initial interview with Mike Babcock, your job as the journalist is not to take a side or to put this person on trial. It is to let them present their opinion. Now, I've had, after LeBron and Chris Simpson, and he was randomly on the Rod Peterson show as well.

I think I'm done with Mike. Yeah, he was. Good for him. I'm kind of done with Mike Babcock's opinion at this point about Mike Babcock. I don't think Mike Babcock's done with it, but he is doing interviews now. He is talking to the press. And in a word, I would say insufferable. like i cannot believe some of the things that he's saying so shall we start from the beginning

of the interview jesse well and here just real quick um please yeah it's people are getting mad at this and good that means you're media literate right yes i i i think there was a time where this guy would get on his pulpit and he would say mike babcock's a great guy actually and people will go oh mike babcock says he's a great guy so i believe him you know and now with covid you've been at home for 11 months and you were raised on the internet and you're too smart for that so congrats you're media literate you got it good for you this is a it's a five minute clip do we want to play at all uh let's work our way through it and see where we go all right i'll throw up a hand signal or something

i like this this is really good interlude whatever ready we are good to go when the leafs let you go november 2019 was it shocking to you or did you see it coming no it wasn't shocking to me i knew when lou left i was getting fired the bottom line is is i really believe it's important that every general manager and every coach have their manager and their coach their guy and that wasn't me and i have no problem with that whatsoever you know i have to ask you though about some things all right first things first guys it was a i measured it's a year and a half from when lou left to when mike babcock was fired a year and a half he got a full season season and and and really the first 20 games i guess yeah he wouldn't kyle dubas can't fire

babcock no you think he gets the blessing from the board well no who is after that babcock to be the the richest coach in hockey you think he gets the blessing if they're like second in the division they sucked they were bad they were a bad hockey team and that's why he got fired and they were playing a style that the the management group was saying please do not play this way please use these players in a different way and he refused to do it well i mean adam do you have a boss yes oh you have a boss yes her name's karen her name's karen and how often do you tell karen to eat shit uh never oh weird i i disagree he says it daily no karen's fucking awesome you wake up in the morning and he says i'm gonna put on my gary v turtleneck i'm gonna make my bed

tell my boss to fuck off go independent i'm just so surprised to hear jesse say that you tell her to eat shit because as is often the case when you tell your employer to eat shit whether it's with your words or actions you get shit canned so long this guy hey here's justin hall go fuck yourself all right well here how about jason spencer go fuck yourself with that too all right well here Try Nick Patel. Go fuck yourself. Hey, Mike, we're going to trade for Nick Jensen. Oh, okay, I'll use Jake, but he's not right-handed,

so, you know, go half-fuck yourself. Like, this dude thought he was the general manager, and I think he was upset about it. He had no respect for Kyle Dubas. Did you hear the Jack Hahn story? No. So the Leafs were going to trade for – this is a Jack Hahn story. Jack Hahn used to work for the Toronto Marlies.

That's right. Yeah, who is Jack Hahn? tell him tell him uh i forget his exact title i'll look him up on twitter real quick but he uh used to work for the toronto marlies he's doing a lot of media work now um and he's a very good follow former ahl and nhl toronto uh i tweet about hockey tactics and player development and how do you follow him what's his what's his account j-h-a-n so j-hon h-k-y basically j-hon hockey so jack hon relayed a story that the leafs were about to acquire nick jensen uh and this would have been a puck moving defenseman at the time

which they really needed which would have been i think 2018 or 2019 he was uh it was 28 it was it was the it was the 2019 early 2019 uh when they went out and acquired jake muzza and what they wanted was a mobile puck moving third pair with travis dermot travis on the left jensen on the right according to jack hon uh mike babcock told kyle dubas okay you can go acquire nick jensen but i'll be sitting travis dermot but we want mike a puck moving nope i'll be sitting or i'll be sitting travis turner i mean so this is this is like i know i know i mean no it's the coach's job to set the lineup no it's the coach's job to how about in most other universes in the real world if your boss tells you to do something you fucking do it

unless you're breaking the law i've been watching a lot of suits but like i i okay yeah i'll get this guy but i'm gonna sit dermot well no i told i'm acquiring this player to play with travis dermot no how do you not want to fire that guy and also who else would i was trying to figure out what the leafs defense at the time looked like who was on the team uh when was this this was gardner muzzin riley gardner had like just a terrible back injury at that point yeah I remember that I think was it was it was that Hainsey's last season so he would have been playing up with Riley yeah who was it was it Polak and Dermott or was that Polak's first year gone like who was playing on the third line I think it was Polak Ganoff like who else was there

oh Jesus played was that the year where like Babcock kicking and screaming oh you know what maybe it wasn't Polak and it was Oja Ganoff what year do you guys want the lineup from 1819 I'm looking at it right now was that the year uh kicking and screaming he had the ozheganov hall so he had dermot gardner hainsey hall so hauled it barely played marincin muzzin ozheganov riley rosen zeitzev so zeitzev would have been playing uh and i think he was hurt too i i just yeah but none of that matters here i'm telling you this is what you should do uh no so i knew i was getting fired like when i got myself fired do you see how he very subtly puts the onus on dubas like okay keith is dubas's guy we all knew that we all knew that but like i

said he cannot fire babcock if the team's doing well what team in first place does that no one it's happened like a small handful of times and every time it happens we're like what and it's the panthers and we talk about it for several years you know what i mean mm-hmm babcock undercut dubas at every turn he could every turn he could and and you know when we had sean fitzgerald on we talked about how he is unwavering and you know there is something has his own accent yeah has his own accent which is wild and you have to go back and listen to that episode but uh where i was going with that it listen there is something to believing in yourself there is something to being headstrong but when you don't listen to

anybody else you're an asshole and assholes get fired this isn't a shock i can't believe we're only a minute in keep going keep going because are we we're never gonna be able to do this we're gonna get back to it no let's get back to it let's do it all right we are 43 seconds in like half of that was steve i think you should let you let him play the clip okay okay let's keep going okay things that came out after you left the leaf so i want to give you a chance to clear the air just some of the tactics that you use by the way so we heard about the mitch marner incident can you explain what happened there yeah that's not you know what happened i was in a tree stand and uh hunting on my farm in ohio and i get this thing and i said yeah i apologize for that but i

didn't know the story wasn't right mitch was in a time that it wasn't going quite as good he was in my office and i said rank yourself on that work ethic list and he did and there was nothing wrong of our conversation and Mitch Marner played great for Mike Babcock I can't complain one bit it was unbelievable so then what happened though is I brought in and I think it was Bozy and it was Bozak but I left the Mitch Marner thing on the table and then I referred to it and as soon as I did it I knew I had done the wrong thing I walked out after talking to Bozy and I said to Mitch this is what I've done I've screwed you uh it was no intent on my part you want me to deal with him front of the team right and i shouldn't ask them that i should have just done it was it wrong yes

was it my fault a hundred percent do i own that yeah but if you think it's a tactic that he's a guy or something that's the craziest thing ever we try to make these players the best we could our intention is always good do we do things wrong sometimes a hundred percent i have to ask you have to go a little okay okay so here we go again so she asked him about it directly so the fact that he's talking about it is you know she asked him a question and people had it wrong so i've heard that story enough times we didn't have it no we didn't we didn't have it wrong the only thing and it is an important distinction is from what we heard the first time to now is babcock according to babcock offered to rectify it right i don't think he's a liar i will say that i think he's

insufferable i don't think he's a liar so we offered to rectify it but like can you undo that the problem was that marner was now under this pressure with the veterans of the team right this this was always the problem the other thing this ignores it ignores two very important things you guys remember the epic show that we had with cj after leafs lost to boston in 2019 yeah who wanted babcock fired right then and there steve me why because he was a mean guy who made mitch marner write a list no none of us knew anything about that it was because he was not the right coach for that team babcock wasn't fired because of the stupid list he wasn't it wasn't fired because of the stupid list the other thing is the mitch marner list

thing strikes me as a i think it's been identified as a soft target because not everyone's on board with it not everyone is on board with the idea that it is bad even you know not saying it's us i'm just saying a lot of people ah it's not that bad what he did johan franzen go look up chris chelios talking about what that freaking guy did to johan franzen better yet go up look and look up what johan franzen said mike babcock did to johan franzen the medano thing tip of the iceberg and i've heard so many stories that and like steve tell him i can't do that to the people who told me but i've heard so many stories it's not just that and it's not even that they're the worst thing in the world it's that it's the tip of the iceberg yeah yeah we've been hearing stories for a

while so you ever stub your toe once you ever stub your toe 50 times consecutively you know what i mean one toe stub in a nutshell is fine let's keep going jess further back your time in detroit because again then things come out right and johan franzen so he was quoted in a swedish newspaper saying mike babcock great coach a terrible person a bully yeah when you think back to some of the tactics you used with him do you think you went too far i thought we had a really good relationship now did things not go as good at times absolutely did i ever in my mind try to bully anybody that is the craziest thing i ever heard of now i also though didn't even know what mental health was so anytime someone whether they work for you whether you're in a relationship

with feels that you're wrong you never want to cross the line and when you do you want to own it and if you do you should own it and but if you didn't you shouldn't own that either did you reach out to france and then after hearing okay so you've apologized you've no i reached out to him he didn't get back to me in saying that why i've coached 34 years let's go 20 guys let's do the math lots of players i've coached olympic teams i've changed goalies i've coached veteran teams in the stanley cup final and scratch guys you've made people mad that's reality you know i've coached a lot of teams and had a lot of success and good people have hired me i didn't have a zoom meeting with brian murray before i went to anaheim i went to detroit jimmy no was

my gm at the 04 world championship they hired me steve eiserman played or played for me and and worked with me four years and he hired me for two olympics brennan shannon hired me after play for me some of this the smell test doesn't add up so you dispute some of the things that have come out about non-answer he didn't answer her question yes but i also did you go too far that was the question you guys to edit this stuff uh oh i've tried my very best to treat people right i still do you can't have a family i have and the opportunities i've had without treating people good have i crossed the line ever absolutely in saying that when you get into mental health that's what we crossed the line with johan one ever should be in that situation so when you

cross the line you have to own that when you think back at your time all right how do you look up all right so so he did sort of he he said he went he went too far with franzen but he said the excuse was and it is an excuse let's not sugarcoat it and it's it's not unfair because we've all been guilty of this as well the conversation about mental health was much different back then than it is now oh yeah yeah oh yeah that's definitely fair to say so so i i can i can if if i am listening to this as trying to be as objective as possible um first off i cannot stand when people talk about themselves in the third person i can't oh my god when he says babcock martyr played well great for mike babcock oh i mean he's not the only person i've ever heard

do it but it's no you just you you know it's the ultimate sign to me of ego it's just it is i'm sorry it's just an annoying it's just it's a pet peeve of mine far enough back into my head you know yeah so so i'm trying to be fair to him on that and he said so when you do that you own it or whatever um and he didn't and he says he reached out to franzen and fran and he said franzen didn't reach out back and you know yeah yeah but he also also said yeah i've been a coach for years and people are gonna be mad at me and yes so all of those things are true i think the real issue here is um he has a problem with people saying well maybe he's just not the best guy and the one thing that and and maybe there's a big secret cabal that of hockey players that

that um you know i i don't hear this said about every coach bad guy bad i don't hear this said about every coach and and here's the thing too like um and i hate to put it in these terms but but it's easy to be a bad boss and a good person to your family both are possible so it's so listen and and and i think if if you look at the way that steve eiserman and brendan shanahan would have been treated under mike babcock you can understand why maybe yeah they probably they were stars they were the best players on that team in detroit they were amazing amazing hockey players babs pretty good to the stars except for the fact that he you know limited henrik zetterberg's time and and and austin matthews's time and all that sort of thing i i think um and even henrik

zetterberg didn't have great things to say about him when he left he said i think it was probably time you remember that interview oh yeah oh yeah and like you know people have people have you know oh i didn't like ken hitchcock or i didn't like um you know mike keenan they never said this yeah i mean and also shanahan's time in detroit ended after the 2005-2006 season so all this franz and stuff he would have no idea right he did play for him for quite a long time but he wouldn't have known about any of that uh so anyway i i just feel like um i feel like that is the equation with family versus how you are at work i've had horrendous bosses i've had great bosses one thing that's probably ubiquitous is that normally they're good to their families or at

least in their own way good to their families um i'm not saying that mike is a bad father no one suggested no no uh and no one has suggested that that he is an evil guy but the tactics he used were were so aggressive sometimes like you remember when mark fraser came out and tweeted about about him when he was fired and i remember going on the show and being like he did mark fraser you played for him for like three seconds like what are you talking about it was like a pre-season game or something well what's mark why is why is there and i said at the time why is this pile on on mike babcock and then the marner story comes out and then the front and all the other stories start coming out well it was weird yeah it was weird at the time because we didn't

know but i i think it's unfair of mike to say i wouldn't get these great opportunities if i wasn't a good guy there are plenty of shitty people who get amazing opportunities incredible donald trump was the fucking president man like i that's a pretty good opportunity for one of the world's shittiest human beings it's crazy so i don't and and then don't tell me that you're because you're good to your family that you were good to your players yeah and i think everybody knows everybody knows and after 30 years of coaching mike you know you screwed mitch so if that story is what you say it is then you should not have gone up to mitch marner and said i screwed you should i should i address this you just address it so he said that though he said he didn't address it he said i

should have but i didn't if you're so he said you're so good he says in there that he he he did the wrong thing by not uh saying talking to mitch you know and and that's fair he goes out he talks to mitch he said should i address this in front of the team mitch apparently was in tears by the way about this and so i there is something about this story that doesn't add up and i'm sure mitch martyr would like nothing more than for this story to go away forever and ever amen but but there's something about that story that does not add up and by the way if you're if you're the highest paid coach in hockey in the world which is mike mike is then you need to know in that i'm hoping that by paying you five and a half million dollars whatever they paid him

that you know in that situation that you don't go up to the 18 year old to say hey what do you think i should do you just fucking do it mike um here so this is from mark frazier who was just hired by the leafs by the way um anyone who thinks commie 22 so that's my commodore anyone who thinks mike commodore needs to lay off babs just doesn't understand how much hate players have for him it's beyond scratching uh commodore or saying he was out of shape nhl players are a very very small population of athletes and people we share stories throughout the years with each other and for those outside the locker rooms you will never truly understand some of the terrible undeserving things babcock has done to some of his players you don't have to like all your coaches but he

is one who 95 of his players can't say a good thing about with the ability to end players careers he's chosen to do so long uh to long-serving vets nearly spezza uh that resulted in all nearly spezza was almost me that resulted in uh in all his players turning against him he's used his power to turn teammates against each other and choose continuously to lie to his players Commodore Mark Frazier is still going by the way Commodore may have strong public opinions on Babs but in our fraternity of NHL and former NHL players he's speaking for the masses he's speaking for countless players who have personally told me their terrible stories of Babs just being a bad guy he's speaking for all the Maple Leafs who wouldn't dare speak uh the truth right now but

damn sure want to uh commodore has so many players respect uh if only the outsiders in hockey in the hockey world know the truth thank you for jogging what that memory was that published that was november 23rd 2019 so i want to say that was like the day or a couple days after or it might have been the day the marner story broke i'm not totally sure it was before the marner story yeah i know it was because at the time we're like well wait a second we never heard any of this shit before Well, I loosely remember talking about this because we did, I don't know about defend Babcock, but we, cause we, I wanted him to be gone. Um, but we did sort of say pump the brakes because at the time, a, like you said, Mark Fraser would have played like no games for Babcock. So it didn't make any sense. And Commodore was like tweeting pictures of like Babcock, literally packing his things and moving, which I don't care how much you hate the guy. That's frigging weird. so that's that's where we were coming from at the time but like those are strong words and i already told you like in the former nhl players and the nhl players that i talked to there's

something about the term bad guy it's it's the worst thing you can call someone in in nhl circles and i mean and jeff o'neill will scream it into a microphone i tweeted about at the time i was like man you know what he did as much as i wanted him gone too i did tweet at the time he did change things around here and he did lou and him did change things they were there was some huge changes uh but that doesn't mean that there were all correct decisions and i at the time did not know the extent of it um so anyway we'll continue jesse sorry about that one second there we go your time here well it was spectacular uh i met really good people we went from making sure we finished last to get austin matthews we built a program that

was competitive we set the record for regular season points we never got it done at playoff time when i look at the team and i look at the players they've really developed and got better you know it took michael jordan seven years to win a championship i'm proud of these guys and i'm proud of the players they've become and they just continue to get better and obviously it shows right now and that's it and so the last tidbit the last bomb to throw is we tried to finish last right that definitely seemed like that that's exactly the sort of thing that could get the team in trouble that's the shot at brendan shanahan by the way that's not a dubas oh you think oh 100 dubas got his shot at the beginning that parting shot was for shanning interesting

and look it freaking worked and like as for the development like for a player like austin matthews for a player like mitch marner for a player like william kneelander you would have had to screw up to not develop them and and what about a justin hall justin hall is almost purely almost entirely a sheldon keefe kyle dubas success project babcock would not play the player the right hand defenseman you always needed was always there oh jesus lord and spezza all the work he's done with the players helping guys get better at face-offs they love watch that um the blueprint videos this season on the maple leafs youtube channel have been absolutely fantastic and the one on spezza is so good they love this guy and the first thing he did uh like we i don't know

if i defended it at the time but i definitely was like okay it's fourth line center it's not the end of the world it's nick shore whatever uh but now knowing what spezza means to that team it's i get wanting to send a message that no one's job is given but like you're undercutting a beloved nhl veteran who came here for nothing right and they brought them they brought them in for a reason it was to to pump that dressing room up right it was the the idea was to to impart some wisdom show the players that these these careers of yours don't last forever even when you're a star player jason spetzel was a superstar and all a perennial all-star has never won a cup and now is playing on the fourth line austin matthews mitch marner william neilander one day you too

might be playing on the fourth line fighting for your job that was the point like that's take advantage benign that that but mike mike looked at that and said uh how do i how do i just completely fuck this guy that's what that's what the that's what it looks like in retrospect whether or not that was the intention it's it's sort of like it was like you know the medano 1499 and and he's got to sit on that forever yeah forever and and i think the idea like i think if you were to ask mike babcock's friends family if he's a good guy they would tell you yeah but that does not mean that he was a great guy to be coached by and and on the note of medano now like that guy's a hockey hall of famer he's one of the best american players in nhl history and you

cannot look at his hockey db page uh you can't look at his 1374 points 813 assists 561 goals stanley cup you cannot look at his career without seeing the the stain of mike babcock that's a stain 1499 it's a stain that didn't need to be there it wasn't even that bad man detroit should just or dallas should just sign mike medano now dress him for a game and put him out there for 10 seconds but then you're playing the whole game down a man who cares who cares they can handle it they went to the finals last year who cares do it it's fine it's so yeah sign a 50 year old he's 50 right now do we do we overrate mike bapkos coaching record too he has i know he has two gold medals i believe and one i mean that's the gold medal thing the gold medal you're coaching

team canada it's not the hardest thing to do in the world and he has two stanley cups but like the stanley cup appearances that the first one happened in the first season he was a head coach with anaheim yeah he's got three appearances one win right he went and then the the appearances all happened in the one two three four five first six years of his career and at the end of i guess his nhl coaching career is over i don't know what's gonna happen next but he hasn't won a playoff round since 2013 you know that's that's the end of his legacy is i made the second round with detroit in 12 13 and then after that never won a playoff round the problem isn't we don't need to take anything away from him we don't need to take away any gold medals any stanley cups

it's added like so if i'm an nhl team right now and i'm looking at bringing a coach on board and i'm thinking of mike babcock i have to know that i'm bringing on a guy that did win a long time ago but much more recent yeah but much more recently hasn't won shit much more recently hasn't been to the second round and yeah there was that one year that you tried to finish last okay there mike like yeah there was that but like the whole reason remember i wanted this guy gone before i knew any of this shit because he wouldn't as a coach he wouldn't play the right players to win games like the the simplest thing a form of a coach is just putting the right guys on the ice and he wouldn't do that properly you know and you know

you know what mike babcock hasn't had to do for a very long time win someone over like he could have won kyle dubas over and i know what they said publicly and oh i support kyle and i support mike shut up like you have to you have to do that you can't be like yeah well you know mike doesn't play any of the players i give him but other than that he's a good coach it's you can't just say that outwardly yeah steve i really like reinforcing your point that he wasn't fired because he was he's terrible with people like as as apparent in all these interviews he's just a terrible people manager it's he was fired because he was he was a bad head coach by the end of it yes yeah the team was it was fuck it was gonna miss the playoffs they were literally gonna miss

the play i mean ultimately they did but that's their own stupid fault because they couldn't score against columbus they did but they would have made the playoffs but he did a poor he did he was poor at his job and and remember though the conversation we have with cj they played boston tight in game five and one and that's why he wasn't shit canned or part of the reason why wasn't shit camp you remember sheldon keith you give sheldon keith a training camp last year who knows well and and you know ifs and buts right i think the i think the uh uh the the tweet that said it all for me is after that game seven game which was a total fucking disaster for the leafs that second game seven game um and it was one of the worst coaching performances of mike's career

there's that's not in dispute they ask anybody bruce bruce cassidy fucking skated circles around mike babcock that game out of the three game seven losses to boston in recent memory they allowed uh seven goals in one of them blew a 4-1 lead in another and the third one was actually their worst performance yes because they didn't score the five one the the it was for one game at least they had four and they were over playing where they should have been yeah they were over they overcame a 3-1 deficit yeah and then babcock's first go against boston they overcame a 3-1 deficit they were up 4-3 heading into the third i'm sure i don't need to rehash all that the game 7 in 2019 they never had a shot no no from the moment the puck was dropped he insured

that yeah yeah and we were they played a tight they played a tight game five in boston what about the shit show that was game six in toronto with home ice advantage and it was done it was done after that stupid series and they let it go and you're putting you're putting zach hyman uh shorthanded with one knee against patrice bergeron shorthanded remember that oh i remember that the leafs had the fucking balls to put zach hyman who never takes face-offs against patrice fucking bergeron and the boston bruins are you nuts like and that's that's that's and then i said six arrow tweeted he said this will be the last game that mike babcock coaches in toronto and it wasn't but it probably should have been it 100 should have been so anyway no but the gm

didn't want him we're gonna he doesn't want you i promise you he can fire you yeah we're gonna leave that for now uh it's the i think we're done talking about this and if anybody else wants to run any more stuff on mike babcock i don't think there's anything else to learn mike thinks he's a good guy he's just certain people he will be um but you know he chose his family nicely he's good to his kids in his life like good good i hope so giving him the chance to defend himself i mean whatever but the idea that these things that came out after he was fired are the reason he was fired or won't be hired now that that's asinine that's ridiculous he deserved to be fired by the leafs long before we learned any of this that's right now before we kick off the press conference

i would like to take two minutes two minutes to say uh thank you and au revoir to tim and sid not them separately uh and it's not like our friendship's over that's for sure but tim and sid uh working together their last show is tomorrow that's february the 26th i highly encourage you you uh tune in um this is two guys that lost their show on a third ranked canadian sports network but by the way we can barely support two canadian sports networks um imagine having a third well we did for years and tim and sid started on the air together and sean fitzgerald does an incredible job of actually breaking this down for the athletic encourage you to read that that's a great story um but after 20 years these guys were like they they took them off the air for

budgetary reasons because the score literally made no money and then um and then they're like why don't we just do a podcast and Sid didn't even know what a podcast was and then this podcast grows and grows and grows and people absolutely love them and in 2011 Don Collins who we all know uh hired hired them and I actually know the story is it was relayed to me by uh Julie Adam who is now the head of roger sports and media and i hope she doesn't mind me speaking out of turn here but the story goes from the inside that um don collins went to her and said hey julie uh i want to hire these guys to do mid-afternoons on the fan and she was about to jump on a plane because when you're you know the head of a radio company that's a national company you're flying everywhere

and julie got on a plane and she got off the plane after listening to their podcast and She said, they're not going to swear like that on our station, are they? And but she obviously heard it then, as we have heard it for years. And they had their whole like the whole campaign. I'm a Tim and Citizen. They had incredible launch. There's so many great memories along the way. And Jesse, I'm going to throw it to you in just a second.

But we just want to say to two men who have been so incredibly gracious and wonderful to us personally and have provided years and years of entertainment and someone to look up to we are going to miss tim and sid together both of you we love you jesse i'm gonna let you take it away because you worked on the show yeah yeah i'm always gonna until somebody comes along and surpasses them i'm gonna call it the greatest run in canadian sports media history because like those two guys together from like you how you described it from starting at the score to where they ended up doing radio and tv at sports net nothing in sports media in canada has ever surpassed that and i don't think just in just the way the medium works now i don't think it ever will because

those platforms like you're not gonna they don't exist yeah the x or they're already built you know like getting on tv getting on radio starting that podcast when podcasts weren't really a thing and then them building that brand like it's it's unbelievable what they've been able to do together and um tim always called the edutainment and i think they were the masters at that and still are until tomorrow, I guess, at the end of the show. But they were the perfect blend of educating you and entertaining you and being legitimately hilarious and informative and giving you everything you want out of a sports show. And they're the two most talented broadcasters I've ever seen in person, worth their magic. And the people who worked on that show are

unbelievable and the company they kept around them has always been so tight a lot of their producers who work on their show at uh sportsnet came from their days at the score like they kept those guys around because uh they know the talent that they have around them and then but those guys are like the center of everything and it's just congrats to them on like i said the greatest run in canadian sports media history and um tim's gonna have a great time i know doing this whatever comes next and Sid's going to have the greatest time in the world on breakfast television.

It's going to be Tim and friends, by the way. Tim will continue on and there'll be a rotating cast of guests. Very nice. So Adam was talking about the three sports entities in Canada back when the score was its own thing.

And to give you an idea of the hill that they had to climb. I was an intern and i remember turning on the tv one day as an intern at the fan which is now sports net radio and looking up and seeing tim and sid and going oh alex has a brother alex six arrow was the six arrow i first knew of oh wow i didn't know he had a brother and then i see him on the score i'm like who's this guy yeah i watched them and i think darren drager was on the score at one point and elliot friedman for sure was on the score at one point yeah uh cabby

was on this like i watched all those guys i watched the score yeah everyone everyone did his score tonight was it was a huge like and um like court cuts court cuts is just um ice surfing like before ice surfing let's be honest here they did it and they started that format and um they were hosting all those shows and like they would they would there was so much um revolutionary television that the score had because they were they were the third guy and they could just try shit and they'd have random wwe rights for a little bit when it didn't cost that much they'd have the nba for a while and they were able to just try try stuff and i think that network had a had a lot to do with the growth of those two guys and they'll tell the story one day yeah it was uh

so it was incredible that a couple times they came on this show we absolutely love them and you know i don't think it's the end it's not like they won't come back uh it's just it's it's the end of them working together and as happy as we are for Sid and as happy as we are for Tim we're sad to see him split up because we love the two of them together and I think that's fair right well it's sad to see anything from your childhood end yeah I don't think they'd be happy knowing that I work there and it was probably some of the most fun I've ever had over the course of eight months and like but I watched them when I was a kid you know and I was their employee so they probably won't be happy about that because it makes them seem old but whatever it's well they

are so old as hell there's a terrifying experience walking into that building knowing i was gonna co-host him and said that one day i was gonna be pretty freaking cool that you did that man i'm glad i got to i i can i got to say i did it once and that's how it ended evidently because they had me on a football heavy day and i was useless but was an extremely good hand holder that day and it was an honor to eat uh chicken fingers with him it was like smoke and weave a snoop dog it's uh it's just what you do it's what you do when you're with sid six zero you have chicken fingers so on that note let's do the press conference i was just gonna say so many legendary moments like gold medal in the face and like they've been

running all of the best of tim and sid like throughout the years and it's been incredible to watch yeah yeah watch that tomorrow gonna be a lot of tears all right now we'll do the press conference so uh jesse you have a question first note ralph kruger what did you guys think of ralph kruger saying he doesn't somebody asked him hey is jeff skinner in the doghouse jeff skinner who signed he was in the second year of an eight year eight million dollar contract eight i thought it was nine in my eight years nine million dollar contract said this is the beginning of the second year of it jeff skinner has now is going tonight be scratched for the third straight game and they asked ralph kruger hey uh do you have a dog house and is jeff skinner in it and ralph kruger's

response was no he's not in the dog house and i don't even have one he's not in the yard what do you guys think of that situation yeah that's ralph kruger saying i don't own a dog yeah basically you know what's going to be so obnoxious when the sabers put skinner back in the lineup and he performs like oh man who would have thought like what a rags to riches story that guy who makes nine million bucks getting in the lineup and scoring like when jeff skinner gets back into the lineup and is fine it won't be because ralph kruger sat him it'll be because he's jeff skinner um is it is it possible fellas let me just throw a wild idea what if the sabers suck around him what if the what i don't know should should jeff skinner be up in the press box

gazing down going you know what i gotta play more like the buffalo sabers play jeff skinner ownership should be listen he scratched again you're fired That's what it should be. What if he's not good? He's $9 million. You have to make it work. How are you going to find out if he's not good? A $9 million player, yeah, I see that he's got one assist in 14 games.

It's not going good. And last year wasn't great either. He's also not playing. When you put him on the fourth line, what do you expect? You put a $9 million player in a position to succeed. And I also have to throw this out there. Ralph Krueger was coaching soccer before he got the Sabres head coaching job. can we have we forgotten yes is that true and they're like it's made him a better coach no

guys ralph what level soccer i don't know like it's like who honestly jesse even if it was epl would you care i would if he was the the manager of manchester united and then was the head coach of the buffalo sabers i feel like that would be important uh so he's he's what if he was would you care as much then or leeds united liverpool maybe he's written a book called team life he wrote a book called team life beyond setbacks to success the book he authored uh in german also translated to french uh was devoted to handling problems in life and became a bestseller here's a guy that had no success in edmonton didn't coach hockey and then got hired by the sabers what do i need to say and now he's sitting the guy who did perform well enough to get a nine

million dollar a year contract and then has the gall to say there's no doghouse ralph ralph jesse you're not gonna be here next year man you're not guess who guess who guess who wins this battle jeff skinner skinner they're not gonna buy him out you're fucked dude you're you're gone goodbye Ralph maybe just doesn't care like here's the thing if you got okay here's when Bruce Boudreaux sat Alexander Ovechkin which ultimately cost him his job you could say at the time hey well at least Bruce has got some success to back it up guy wins a lot of games maybe not in the playoffs but they always do really well in the regular season always near the top of their division what does Ralph Kruger have shitty Oilers shitty Sabres a book

hey i don't like the stank you put on that actually nothing wrong with what soccer to you did he go steve in your profession you're very successful there's a difference so he was coach of the oilers for literally just the lockout shortened season um and then he left them and then switched the soccer and this is from his wikipedia page in 2014 kruger made a switch from ice hockey to soccer becoming director of southampton in february 2014 shortly after he was appointed chairman of the club he was dismissed april 12th 2019 uh he was already set to leave so in the middle of him being with southampton i guess he coached team europe to the final of the world cup of hockey which i'm thinking hockey people put way too much stock in is that is that

the that's the world cup of europe here that was the sum of europe team right yeah some of your yeah the boring ass team you know the should that north american team should have won really that would have been fun some of europe was boring he's a popular guy um here's the thing about ralph krueger like that's the thing that all the journalists say well the team that's what they said this offseason while the sabers were ass last year but both of those players love ralph krueger fucking who cares okay but is he good exactly you know and and the thing is we just got finished talking about mike babcock saying like you know he's had some success but the players hate his guts and that counts for something but the thing i'm trying to say is this guy

literally has nothing that suggests that he can win at the nhl level and now he's sitting a nine million dollar player you're gone ralph and you're gone in the next week or so adam keep doing this jesse adam jesse two years ago when we wore the orange jerseys at the easter seals uh celebrity hockey classic did you guys have a good time yeah i had a great time was i fun to play with yeah did we win a game uh no not until i got my buddy who's like a goalie ringer and then we won yeah the next year we won two of three but and because we relied on him oh yeah he was our felix poppin oh my god oh thank you for acknowledging felix poppin supremacy but uh yeah i'm not getting that man i'm not getting that i i'm not getting how because you have to

salvage a player like that you do and i don't understand how you're going to salvage them from the press box how is he going to get better from there and like i gotta be wondering uh who's the gm again kevin adams i gotta be wondering what he's thinking who he clearly brought eric Saul to Buffalo for a reason and I gotta be wondering if he's like oh cool what did I do that for Kevin Adams didn't hire Ralph Kruger though I don't think oh interesting I don't know who did there's so much turnover in Buffalo it's you can't keep up with their previous general manager he was there for three seconds and then it was Tim Murray Jason Botterill Botterill Botterill hired Kruger I'm pretty sure so I think Ralph Kruger's as good as gone now it might just be

that the begulers are like fuck you guys we're not we're not paying for another coach while another one sits so you're stuck with kruger this year okay so you're stuck paying for a nine million dollar uh fan he's sitting there and okay you don't have any fans in the stands and you got jeff skinner and by the way people can go to buffalo savers games pretty soon here i know that in new york state they're allowed so you actually could go there you go and maybe you'll see jeff skinner yeah it's like no you won't see him though no he's the one in the suit with him that's the fan experience jesse you get to sit with the nine million dollar player he's the guy who looks like jeff skinner with a mask that's the free giveaway you know sit with jeff skinner

socially distanced pick jeff skinner out of the crowd listen that contract sucked and maybe it was always gonna suck he's not out of the lineup bad no for the love of god hold on hold on let's look at hold on hold daily face off sabers we're all in agreement that jeff skinner could crack this lineup oh my god hey jeff skinner could crack the leaf lineup okay good i want to play that yeah okay jimmy vc or jeff skinner let me think about it uh here let me here we got we got on one side to sam reinhardt dylan cousins kyle akpozo and riley sheehan and on the other side casey middlestad or sorry from the top victor olfson taylor hall uh rasmus asplund and casey middle stat come on by the way asplund asplund that's a made-up take those for my headache

i think there's a second rounder the here's the thing man uh uh taylor hall's not even playing with jack right uh jack eichel oh for the love of god that's not what he signed up for guys taylor hall signed ralph kruger needs to go like it's honestly it's rearranging deck chairs on the titanic with the sabers like they are going down but to at least make them somewhat competitive pay your play your best players together i should i should put the asterisk putting jeff skinner in the lineup they'll still be bad yes but like why are you making a bad team worse and it's not like jeff skinner's good enough to make them so good that they'd miss out on the first overall pick or something like they're gonna be in the drawing for that right yeah but you do need to salvage

that contract you have to what are you going to sell taylor hall on right because it's like there's mutual interest in getting an extension done hey taylor you want to play for the guy that uh is going to sit you in a couple years uh for the team that's always been awful and will be awful like they haven't been good since max and finn again off but no they're their time's coming the ship's coming in hey how does the how does the phrase go death taxes and jack eichel trade rumors when does the ranger when does that pop up again he's going to the ranger they're already are they already already happening the rangers are gonna get jack eichel it's just a matter of time the sabers should have done it last year they had more leverage they didn't do it god they're

bad yeah they're they're so bad and i feel bad and the thing with sabers fans are like please get jack eichel out of here we we can't continue to watch the man suffer like this sabers fans want him out because they love him anyway uh jesse a couple questions before we wrap up the show sorry i expected you to do a longer press conference but we you know always run late yeah boys i literally i gotta go all right we're back from the pee break sorry uh he's a pee pee boy i had to the first the first question comes from tony sinni they want to know will adam's history corner ever make a comeback it you know what will uh we're now selling adam's history corner merch so we have to uh i think we'll do it once a week uh we'll save it towards the end

of the show so you know if you're a hockey fan you're like fuck this history shit fine uh and you should submit your questions jesse what's the best way uh just tweet at us i think if you just tweet at us the best way to get questions in if you don't have twitter dm us on instagram if you can't do that uh send an email or a carrier pigeon or get on social media those are extinct after world war one jesse but thank you next question comes from uh juan estevez will full face masks ever become mandatory in the nhl to prevent injuries like what happened to muzzin i was thinking that actually yeah i think so probably well because what is the argument against it like i agree there is a line that eventually has to be drawn like okay you can't just

walk around in sumo suits and bubble wrap but um like the best argument for not is guys don't like it like craig mctavish didn't like wearing a helmet yeah you know what i mean there are players in today's nhl who would gladly not wear a helmet yeah well of course and and it's it's a it's a masculinity thing i think mostly um this whole nonsense about not being able to see the puck these guys give me a fucking break these guys are so good that there's no they could do it with their eyes closed these guys are so good and the thing with with muzzin is that like okay so now he's broken a bone in his face he's coming back with a full shield anyway when he does come back he'll play like jake muzzin and but you've lost jake muzzin for something stupid and at a certain

point a team's got to look at that and say we can't keep losing key players like jake muzzin remember what happened to leaps when muzzin went down against columbus toast fucking toast you're done forgot that i just keep thinking about stupid guy shit this is stupid guy shit no but like you know the first guy to wear like you know those little plastic shot blockers yeah the first guy took shit you just know the first guy who wore them took shit well and and looking at austin matthews last night i'm like so help me if he's broken a bone put them on put them is it that hard does it change the way you skate no it doesn't give me a fucking break there was i want to say it was when finuff got that slice in his leg yeah um and shortly after i had to interview

some members of the canadian world junior team and i was talking to them about that and i think it was braden shen um he's he's he's like you know what i don't like it that much but i'm not taking any chances so he's he's wearing the kevlar on his wrists and you know wherever else you put it they have the kevlar pants now and you know a few years ago i'm hot enough as it is i'm not gonna wear that okay well hope you don't get sliced then like i don't know i i agree like eventually you're going to have to draw a line but it i don't know is this it really like you saw you saw what happened with like richard zednick and we're still like yeah but i don't like it yeah or i don't like the neck thing yeah it's wild to me that like that to me

is the big one i'm i'm very surprised that's still not a thing yeah well neck guards a fabric net guard like what i wore is really just to protect against skates man yeah i think what what would help is if you're going down to block a shot and you got a full face shield all you have to do is tuck your chin and you're fine and that's still probably get your bell rung but you won't break your face exactly exactly and and i think you'll hear some bitching and then they'll get over it all right safety first people this one no it's performance first i want jake muzzin in the lineup please right like okay you know what jake how about next time don't play with any gloves you want to be a fucking man play without no gloves yell at jake muzzin we don't

know how he feels oh let's play you know what just play with your bare hands like a man like they did when they played the sport i know i love jake muzzin it's not jake's fault well and like i don't think simmons wears a or no simmons does wear a visor i think it's bogosian doesn't and i want to say lucic doesn't like it looks there's something old school looking about it sure is dumb put on a sure is guys are you idiot put it on like sure is dumb no no he's old school he's a man oh no well you know i've never played with one and okay yeah that's me yo you know who wears a fucking full mask tom brady tom brady wears a full like all football players wear that i think if tom brady could wear no equipment he probably

might take it you know i don't eat mushrooms i'm strong thank you tom brady's a weird dude just get on the field dressed as a strawberry and that might be my favorite my favorite meme of all time is man tom brady would be so cool if he wasn't so fucking weird he's fucking weird it's so weird it's true it's true there's something a little off about him he's weird yeah and it's like almost like boston collectively got to say okay he's really strange but we miss him you know what i mean they could finally be like all right you know when he went we know but shut up yeah yeah anyway greatest athlete of all time one of them one of what sorry one of the greatest athletes of all time anyways uh we got this

question twice uh from david shoeman and simon hunt they both pointed out that michael hutchinson now has the best safe percentage out of all three goalies that have played for the leafs this year now this question is for this question isn't really about michael hodgson is do you guys foresee a goalie controversy with uh frederick anderson and his play and jack campbell and his play and michael hodgson and his great play is there a goalie controversy brewing in the six no is the goalie solution the goalie solution is you have three good ones or at the very least two does anybody have to clear waivers to go back on the taxi squad no question by michael hutchinson yeah hutch might because it's an injury situation so i'm not sure they gotta do something about that

and the leafs are the leafs are being punished too the leafs are being punished for um doing hockey good so they did a good thing this summer and they signed two men who willingly put pen to paper to join their team michael hutchinson and aaron dell both of them willingly were like yes i will i will take lots of money to come and play for your hockey team thank you right then dell gets put on waivers and who you know what waivers is for to give guys a chance to play as much as they can in the nhl and thank goodness for that because aaron dell has played one ahl and one nhl game this season with the new jersey devils you know who's played three michael hutchinson aaron dell would have played at least three nhl games by by now waivers isn't working

this season oh and if a goalie does get put on waivers the leafs are going to be the last the last team to have a kick at the can because they're in first place and that's how the order of the waiver wire works so they're being punished for being in first place and for having a good offseason imagine Hutchinson gets claimed then you either got a claim like no terrible goalies are getting put on waivers anymore it's too far into the season so you're gonna have to trade the Leafs are being actively punished for their success yeah well I speak on behalf of the other 30 teams when I say boo fucking who Leafs take out the Leafs and make put just do everything that i just said but take out leafs and put in minnesota wild or some shit it's dumb it's a dumb

way of doing no listen if it happened to the coyotes then the nhl would do something there you go that's when you see some action so that oh man the coyotes are in trouble gary betman gets his cape on don't worry i'm coming all right one more question jesse one more oh fun yeah let's fucking do it let's go let's do it let's do it i'm sorry i lost my questions i am pulling them up look at this guy losing his questions steve this is a quick question for you did you name this is from adam steiner he said did you name uh today's lfr red dead neil redemption red dead neil and demption and he says is that your worst lfr title of all time uh no it's actually my best okay because that's that's the that's what you got

listen you've known who I am for a very long time and it weren't us who changed that's Red Dead Redemption I've never played it it's a very good game it's actually what I used for the title

of today's LFR Red Dead Nelandemption not everybody's into those types of games not everyone's into one of the most popular video games in human history you're right Tough night for Anthony Stewart last night, eh? Well, because of all the Neanderthals.

How dare he? He's coming for you, Jesse. What the hell? I thought Stewie was cool. And then he goes on national television and he calls everybody who's a Neander fan Neanderthals. And then now he's got to eat crow. Like, okay, you deserve it.

But he would say, see, this is what I, he hasn't been great for the last five games in summary. there's always a way to say william neal is not good it's always wrong but there's always a way i think he's greatly enjoying your hatred absolutely oh i think he loves his mentions you get that you said that you get you see his face and he's just like yeah here we go yeah thank you for that yes the always easily rattled anthony stewart what i think of easily rattled i think of anthony stewart everyone save your breath i like kathy campbell better anyways so yeah wow wow i'm looking at the most i'm looking at the smartest people on that panel

i'm definitely not looking at stewie whoa let's pit the panel against each other yeah elliot friedman love mary kick off the panel who do you choose let's go i would love to see heel turn, Elliot Friedman. Sources say you're an asshole. Exactly. Anyway. I like it when Justin Bourne's filling in on Hockey Central. That's when the show's at

its best. No, it's not, because then he pulls out all of his stupid numbers. Get out of here. Just stats nerds. A world full of nerds. I'm with Stewie. He played. I'm with him. No, I played the game.

I played poorly, too. How do you say it, Jesse? What? You played the game. I played the game. I played the game. I played the professional hockey. I took a good.

Here's my take. You guys are all Neanderthals. Guys, I have to leave. So I'm going to leave. But you guys can continue this as long as you want. But I love you. Adam, I'm going to leave. And our show picks up again on Monday.

Yeah, Adam. I'm on the radio. I'll see you later. I like Rick. the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete