The Steve Dangle Podcast - Ooh, Barracuda | March 25, 2025

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

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All right. Welcome to the capital of Silicon Valley. And we are in the house of Barracuda right now. The Steve Dangle podcast in San Jose, baby. The house that Barracuda built? That's right. The house of Cuda. Yeah.

Mr. Cuda. First name Barra. Mr. Barracuda. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We are in the largest city in Northern California by population area. Nine million people in the Bay Area. So it's San Jose.

There's Santa Clara. There's Oakland. Oh, I'm wrong. We're getting tourism on this one. Yeah, Ron McClain. Hey, hey. You want to know some other stuff? Give me back some of the pamphlet, Dad.

Major tech companies, including Cisco. ebay adobe which is near our hotel paypal broadcom and zoom maintain their headquarters around the hotel you know what else used to be down the street what um your favorite company 23andme where you can buy steve's uh dna now which which is great isn't that lovely oh yeah yeah do that yeah that was weird i don't know why you did that i was bored we said don't do that and wanted to know what are they gonna do clone me hey i'm i'm 48 european cool man yeah i gotta tell you that more european than that i could have eyeballed that and told you that one a lot more is there a subscription about your family history that you haven't bought yet steve

dang hey hey because we all had our covet hyper fixation you did hand ancestry too yeah oh yeah yeah and then all of them oh i'm sorry if you're having a curious mind i'm sorry for having a curious mind um so listen what boring thing do you like let's get into that many boring things yeah many boring things we actually uh we had an amazing sort of arrival in san francisco yesterday uh drove out here uh got into uh we rented bikes uh we went to the grocery store we walked around we went for tacos last night going further back we woke up to snow on the ground oh yeah in ontario it's snow and by the afternoon we were sweating bullets like it was yeah unbelievable beautiful here unreal change palm trees and everything and it's funny because

you know i'm looking if i look down the hall behind the camera here i'm seeing beautiful 28 degrees and sun outside and it feels like home inside of a rink which is kind of nice too oh yeah it's it's great to be here we're in obviously fireball cope uh for in the barracuda that's obvious oh yeah it's not obvious that we're in fireball no no i think sort of promo that we would be yeah but i think you need to tell the majority of people what fireball cove is a sweet bar in the new barracuda rink with which we are a part of which is pretty neat and it's actually cool i actually hang on give me a sec because they had some drink specials and i wanted to bring them up for the show sure so while adam does that let me just explain what fireball cove is

it's their sweet bar as adam said but it's like at the level of the ice so if you're listening right now we are at the glass where the net is and then in front of us is a bar so they can just walk up and get drinks and watch the game where the barracuda play it's pretty cool uh you know kuda frozen cocktails you can get uh blue raspberry and strawberry right i like that this is my favorite i like both the kudarita oh so it's a margarita but it's a kudarita it's made by a real live barracuda tequila blue curacao triple sec sweet sour wow that sounds delicious Yeah, delish. Anyway, it's a good time. So we're going to have today's show is going to be really fun. We've got two great interviews coming up. And of course, we also have to talk about everything that happened last night, including an unbelievable disallowed goal for the Islanders. Jake Chikrin's contract extension was announced today. um but you're you're excited about that yeah uh but also i i think we need to talk about the fact

that we are um you know for the rest of the week going to be here doing interviews we're going to talk to the president of the san jose sharks tomorrow um this is going to be a really really fun week lots of social media lots of things so um we'll start with the uh the hometown san jose sharks i don't know if you guys remember this or know this but mark edward vlasic set a record a couple weeks ago do you remember what it was hits career hits no no well it might have been that but it wasn't this oh career blocks clear career blocks sorry so 2173 since the shot block thing has been has been just rubber and yeah and he passed who uh geo former leaf mark shiradano that's right which is really exciting and i think it's interesting that also it's kind

of funny that it's all kismet uh the sharks did the leafs a huge favor and beat up on the boston bruins because anytime boston loses we're happy big of them uh big of them to do last saturday leafs are in town on thursday and the leafs did make a pretty big signing out of the ncaa elite prospects called this player um the best the best ncaa free agent in years and his name is luke ames he is a centerman and had a little bit of a chance to do a little research on him because i'll be honest with you that one came out of the blue i'm not going to pretend that i was like yeah i'm a big luke hames guy no lots oh i am now well so it's i'm as high on him as i am on boria vales it seems like they uh when they traded fraser mitten they knew immediately we got to do something

to replace fraser mitten or get more people like fraser mitten and he seems to be a player uh his numbers were okay in the bchl like a point of game player but the best players in the bchl are like two point of game players right it's difficult and rare to get drafted at a junior a right yeah right and then he goes so he goes and he plays in the ncaa does well and is the epitome of like a late blue right this is a guy that's developed later in life he's gonna he's gonna play the rest of the season on a professional uh uh tryout and then he's gonna obviously have his two elc years with um with the with the marlies and the leafs um from what i understand uh this is a guy that might project to be exactly what they lost in fraser mitten i mean either way like listen i

don't want to be the lee fan sitting here and going this uh college signing is just like the second rounder it's way it's wayne gretzky yeah yeah yeah i i don't want to be the guy to do that but um this is uh something that you need to do um if you're going to be trading away all these picks and all these prospects and you know we got really high in nikita grabenkin um because for good reason and for good reason yeah you know he's a he's a truck out there and he's a lot of fun and four check back check paycheck um i keep bringing up borya valis but like can he bring some of those things i'm not saying can he be him can he be better than him i don't i don't know and we're not gonna know uh until he prays he plays professional but he brings some of those things

uh luke hames uh this organization even with fraser mitten was pretty thin uh up the middle um they basically have uh quillen and i'm trying to think of who else they have full time up the middle like steve's i think has played up the middle abrazizi's played up the middle it's thin it's thin they needed a player like this jesse and i believe this is somebody they've had their eye on for a little bit because before he went to college he was at leaf's prospect camp 2023 he was at development camp development camp whatever it is before you can just bring him on and and obviously he wasn't matured enough then but now it seems like he's a late bloomer like you mentioned and that now his game is warranted this kind of kind of bidding war where everybody

kind of wants him and this is where the leafs get to exercise their muscle and this they've done this a few times over the last decade or so is where they can just pick guys off and bring them into the organization and show them that hey we have the money to pay you whatever it is it doesn't matter it's free money because it's not against the cap right now and we can give you all of the training that you need you know we can bring you into the system and everything you want you can get and i feel like that's that's where they have the advantage over other teams this is their third guy in a month yeah and there's a reason for that yeah yeah they got a defenseman too i can't i can't uh quite remember his name but yes they they need to be in on these guys and something you can uh

especially with this leafs administration like let's say since um uh true living joined you can often you just got here you will he just got here but you can often if they sign someone you can look through you play hockey db roulette which i love to do or elite prospects roulette whatever you want to do and you can find someone who the organization uh has had their eye on um and joe fusco um who's i want to say like a leaf seventh rounder is a teammate of his at dartmouth so i think very often you can you can you know maybe they were there just to scout him obviously he's really highly touted guy but he's been on the radar for a few years so i can't help but wonder if they were watching some fusco games and they went you know what this uh this luke ames kid's

pretty good too yeah and like you said the the prospect system is bare which is good because they should be trading away all these picks and prospects because they need a win so they need to go get guys other ways and this is how you got to do it so kudos to the leafs for doing the right thing i think in this situation and then like closing the deal you know because you could be in on all these guys and not get them but they seem to be consistently doing the good thing of closing all of these deals and getting these guys in the system another like underrated thing about it like we're all wearing san jose barracuda jerseys like um sometimes when your nhl team uh isn't very good uh right now your uh ahl team is stacked um but uh the what the the sharks

the barracudas drain to the sharks has been guys getting called up the marlies are having a really good season and their drain is guys getting traded and they're having a pretty good season though so you want to kind of reward them by going okay listen the nhl team sort of had to drain some of your resources we're trying to get you some guys back here so you know who knows maybe hames and i feel bad i can't remember the defenseman's name um maybe they can help the team colin graph was a ncaa signing that san jose made and he's in their top 10 prospects and it's it's sort of becomes it's interesting you know like if you've got to think about things like um if you're an ncaa free agent like what what are you looking for right and i was trying to think about that

this morning obviously you're looking for facilities you're looking for opportunity right so it would make sense a center would want to come to a team with lacking in centers like that of course um and then i i was thinking about specifically calling graph here is a right winger like this is an opportunity in this organization where they got a lot of spots available in the next few years and there are some rock star prospects here uh and you got to go where the opportunity is right so it's it's fun it's sort of funny that teams you know toronto's like tops or near tops of their division most of this season there are still opportunities there you know sharks barracuda but the sharks specifically on the up curb tons of opportunity there it's just

about finding those places and those guys i don't want to light this player up like i i don't know if i've mentioned their name in this story before but very early on in my video making career this is like pre-podcast um there was a guy on the marlies he had a few cups of coffee with the leafs did pretty well and in the off season he was a free agent and he signs with detroit like pre-bad detroit like they were very good yeah and when he came back to town like people were not shy about going what did you why did you do that and i i'm pretty sure he never played a game for them okay i don't think he did like opportunity matters yeah opportunity you know um a guy a guy we mentioned uh just in conversation like zach hyman was a star in the video room

that's how they worded it with dubas and keith his ahl numbers weren't crazy and part of me wonders like is is there like a future 50 goal scorer out there who just never got their opportunity uh because like hyman joined it let's be honest a terrible terrible team leaves organization yeah that had a lot of opportunity in the minors a lot of uh eyes on the minors and he did well there while there was an added emphasis on it there were all these like blue chippers who he was outperforming um in different areas of the game it resulted in call-ups he did okay he kept doing better and now look at him i'd say he's doing he's done pretty well so and he's the epitome of a late bloomer as well right a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent like

opportunity matters big time do you think um in specifically in the leafs situation guys this isn't it's not something they've traditionally done draft by position but there are i mean they seem to be finally deep at the goaltending prospects position which has been uh a total dead zone for 30 years um like true like literally since i mean you had you had scrivens and reimer there for a hot minute but like it was like pod van and then nobody right it was like sign a bunch of guys hope that it works out i believe there was a vessa toscola from san jose trade in there um you know yeah it helped them be great for like a while yeah i'm looking at you i'm looking at sorry there's some people off camera yeah so so i i i'm wondering you know do the leafs now look at

this and go okay well if it comes down to like a tie or something like that we'll go to the center i mean they probably should that's probably how it ought to be i mean like i think the way it often works you know there's a stellar player in junior up the middle um you'll often hear like yeah but they don't project to be a center in the nhl um but you can make them one like well what if you get lucky right so what if they work hard yeah like draft draft the center and uh you know worst case you can they can probably figure out wing um you know but geez look in recent years like cowan's probably their top prospect uh matthew nice nailed it you know so you still probably want to pick best player available

regardless of position it would just be lovely though if that player happened to be a center i think across pro sports you get in trouble when you draft too much by position especially especially in in sports like the nhl where guys don't mature until three four years down the line like you're drafting an 18 year old and he might not hit the nhl until 21 22 so who knows where your organization is going to be at that point and when you're drafting just like hey let's take the most talented guy available at this point in the draft when they get to that position the nhl no one's ever like oh we have too much talent now we have too much depth at center guys the sharks feel like that in a couple years you know maybe they do have too much we have too

too much depth that d it's bad but like you obviously have your organizational needs and that's where you kind of focus your scouting to but when the draft board comes and this guy who's more talented and he happens to be a defenseman and you need a center you probably should go with the more talented guy yeah i so it's interesting before we bring on our first guest here i want to run down some of the names on the sharks like depth scott wheeler's basically got them listed It is the top prospects in the entire league. This is the best system that you can find, which is pretty high praise. Obviously, you've got Macklin, but then you've got Will Smith, Sam Dickerson, Yaroslav Askarov, Quinton Musty,

which Quinton Musty does not get enough because he's like how many lists now? Most teams, Quinton Musty is the top guy. That was the guy most Leaf fans that I followed wanted when the Leafs picked Cowan. And then they go off the board and everyone's like, who the hell is this? What did they do? What did they do? But no, he's doing very well.

Luka Kargoni, Igor Shanishev, I mentioned Colin Graff, and Ethan Cardwell, who we're about to talk to now. Ethan is a really, really. Rock star. Yeah, absolutely right. He's a rock star. No question. You're about to meet him.

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welcome to the show an ontario native we found one down here ethan cardwell now now listen uh you're from i mean you're from curtis it says in your bio oshawa yeah so we assume sort of a little mix of both but like tell us a little bit about curtis is curtis like a little bit elevated oshawa like better than oshawa yeah it's definitely i don't i don't i don't love it when people throw out oshawa um we're gonna talk about elite prospects then they gotta get the right hockey db as well yeah no somebody needs to do so i was born in oshawa though Okay. The Oshawa Hospital.

Okay. But then I came over to the good side, Curtis. So, yeah, I mean, definitely from Curtis. Don't identify really much with Oshawa, but it is right there. Wow. We had a whole segment ready to go because it's a crappy place. Everybody really likes it. They do call it the Dirty Shwa for a reason.

Exactly. Shwollywood. Shwollywood. What about, okay, so were you a Jens fan growing up? Yeah. Okay. I'd go to Jens for sure. yeah it's not like i was pivoting begrudgingly to belleville or something like that

so listen i i know like there's there's so much about you i think that people are gonna love first off you have your own podcast so let's start there i mean uh this is one of the things that when we came down here we're like wow we got to talk to the guy's got his own show too uh so tell us about your show why it started why why you do it yeah i mean it started um over two years ago now maybe three or four it might be four years now it's been a while um so basically covid you guys know is it was pretty bad in ontario lockdown terrible like the worst so i didn't enjoy it no it wasn't a lot of fun so i was sitting there and you know i like to i was always on facetime with my buddies and stuff just talking about hockey stories talking about like how their

seasons went and like when we're gonna get back and stuff like that so i just decided you know what between me and my co-host michael raskin like we decided it'd be a good idea to we have so many connections in the hockey world and guys that we've played with so why not have guys on be able to do it during covid to kill some time and uh see where it goes from there and it kind of it did well for itself so then uh we kept doing it for a long time and we're still doing it we're going to try to ramp it up here obviously it's hard during the uh hockey season when you're on the road and stuff all it's got a great name though showbound yeah no great name we were just starting it as like my kind of crop was headed towards the show so we're like ah we kind of talk

about the way up to the making it to the national league and you know his fitting name now even made the national league you've played six games already um and we know you've signed your elc and all that stuff but uh you scored your first goal against the seattle crack and in november and i mean that's got to feel pretty good to just get that out of the way uh can you can you walk us through that goal do you what do you remember yeah i mean i don't remember a ton uh a bit of a me help me remember a little bit but i just remember kind of we always talk about slashing across the ice hard in this organization so i'm just cutting across the ice looking for a little chip out and see what happens from there and i don't know if their d got a little flat-footed

or what might have happened but i ended up having a little bit of time and space and uh he he started to close in on me as i was coming over the blue line and i shot it from a decent ways out but i felt like i got a good shot on it and uh you know what i was i was pretty lucky that day it clipped his gloves so not the prettiest of goals but uh and then it dropped over and popped in and then from there is a complete blackout jumped into the glass going nuts it was a uh it was an exciting moment what are the guys oh go ahead jess who has the puck and where is it uh i actually have it right now it's because my parents didn't want to i think that last time they came they only had uh carry-ons so i didn't want to put it in there with them it's got a little plaque and everything

to it that the sharks amazing it's awesome yeah okay okay but that's going to the parents yeah that'll go to get back yeah you're moving around too much you might lose that in a box somewhere yeah i don't want to misplace that yeah are you one of those guys you remember everyone who was on the ice no that's that's actually not getting called out my bad i thought you were gonna go on a run like yeah all 10 guys i mean i think it was up front i think it was sturm and delandria um on the back end this is bad i feel bad i hope none of the guys that were on there's a blackout moment like yeah yeah what do they tell you when you get back to the bench like you know you scored your first can you remember that yeah it's just like a little topic congrats

kid good job we gotta buckle down and win a game we got a game to play yeah it's not just about you the show's over exactly so everyone everyone sees the moment uh and you know the huge blackout celebration what is the first shift after scoring your first goal like like how do you bring it back Yeah, I mean, I think you could play for three, four minutes out there. You have so much energy. It's just like full of adrenaline the rest of the day, really. Like, you can't barely sleep that night. Your phone's blowing up, and you're still kind of shaking.

You're like, really? Did that happen? But, yeah, no, you've got to try to calm yourself down a bit. Yeah, and obviously this has been a great season for you guys with the CUDA. Yeah. And when, you know, I can remember, you know, we obviously grew up Leaf fans in Toronto when the Leafs rebuilt everything in, you know, 14, 15, and Matthews, Marner, Nylander came in or whatever.

The team to watch was the Marlies. And we were going to lots of Marlies games to watch, you know, guys like Nylander and I think Andreas Janssen and Kasperi Kapanen and some of these guys, Zach Hyman, these guys coming up through. What's that like to have that kind of spotlight on you guys? You know, you're going to the playoffs in a few weeks here. Yeah, it's exciting. Got to buckle down when these last couple games,

I think we got like 11 games left. It's going to be real important here down the stretch. but you know we're we're anywhere from first to sixth right now in the standings even seventh is in place so i mean it's wild so every game matters so much we got to show up every night and yeah to have a spotlight on us have the fans showing up to games and stuff it's uh it's pretty cool yeah oh absolutely now you're a third generation pro hockey player can you run us through because that has got to be one of the first that's amazing um your grandfather your father and now you play um tell tell us about their journeys yeah i mean my grandfather i was a pens fan growing up from

toronto but a pens fan um because of him he played for the penguins and then he went to the wha and he was actually an oshawa general so uh that's also part of the reason i was a gens fan growing up um and yeah then my dad came along uh he played minor pro a bunch of teams for probably eight ten years um his highlight he won gold with hockey canada at the spangler cup cool um in 98 i want to say um and played for team canada national team that year so uh and then yeah then i came along and just been trying to do my best you know not doing so not going so bad yeah we've had the opportunity to experience san jose a little like going from our hotel to the sap center and then coming here and what's it like for you living down here and being in san jose because it's so

different from toronto and ontario and canada are you enjoying the city yeah i mean it's unbelievable like like we were talking before we went on air the the weather's insane uh just to be able to go outside like yesterday 28 degrees celsius you're not you're not finding that back home right now so to be out here i mean it's definitely made me a lot softer i'm real soft like i'll i'll walk out here it'll be like seven or eight degrees celsius i'll be freaking out like what's going on right who do i complain to nature yeah i put in a call for this one but no it's uh it's unreal yeah no adam and i were talking we're like we get why people sign in tampa in florida and california san jose i i too would take millions less yeah just for the

weather it's crazy it's crazy and you were saying that um across the street we've got some uh uh the the university facilities and that sort of thing san jose state um you're a big golfer yeah love golf so tell us about so the first off the driving range across the street is do you go there i've been a few times uh so a guy i grew up playing golf against and my brother played golf against is at san jose state now he's from toronto or mississauga i think and um yeah so he's on the team so he brings me out there the odd time to go hit balls with him and stuff so it's pretty nice but yeah hell of a facility and you can golf any day here yeah no it's nice which all year round yeah we get a lot of nice golf in here um you guys having potsy on next to he's a

good player so him and i get out a lot oh it's ever broke a windshield uh no one window of a house though okay okay not a windshield but yeah uh actually at oshawa golf club took somebody's uh right into their kitchen they were they were gone for a couple weeks actually when it happened and i noticed that the window was not getting fixed and i'm like what's going on and then a week later i see the patches and they said yeah they came home there's birds in their house no so it wasn't my finest moment shank off a tree and into a no wow did you have to pay for it no golf course uh insurance covered it okay membership due so i guess that feeds into it right so you were the cuda rookie of the year last year you scored a lot of goals i think you

came within a few goals of the franchise record for a rookie right is that true yeah i think yeah you think so yeah um uh it's nice to be able to be like yeah i guess maybe but this year you've sort of transitioned your game you're a playmaker now a little bit i mean we're seeing we're seeing like what is it 34 assists already something like that yeah so tell us about that is that transition on purpose or was it to show hey i can do both i mean i just can't score got a little cold yeah yeah okay sore spot maybe i shouldn't have brought that up exactly he just throws the mic down walks away added to the list um no it's been nice to share the wealth this year um pass it around a bit um but yeah definitely like i think for me i'm still getting

the shots still getting the opportunity so that's why i'm not getting too worried about it um just haven't got the breaks or the balances or haven't finished some opportunities that i probably would have in the past but you know what as long as uh as long as i'm still helping the team in any fast like way that i can and uh we're winning yeah then we're good yeah i i guess uh i guess i i probably should have run that by you before the interview you know just out you like that i think it's great yeah we'll take that so so i guess for you now like you know obviously you're gonna get through this this season and that sort of thing but you've got this is a an organization with loads of potential loads of energy like excitement that sort of thing

And when the Sharks were in town with the Leafs a couple weeks ago, we were on the Amazon broadcast in Canada, and we were kind of down. We saw, you know, Macklin and Will, and you could feel there's an excitement around this organization. What do you think your next step is to be a part of it at the next level? Yeah, just working hard every day, you know, doing the right things. You know, they got Macklin, they got Will. They have all the talent in the world up there.

So they're going to need a guy who's going to come in and play a lower role to start and kind of earn his stripes through penalty killing and stuff like that. So I think being on the defensive side of the puck, you know, playing hard, finishing hits, doing the little things that everybody talks about all the time but doesn't show up on the score sheet, I think those are the type of things that can help me get my foot in the door. And we've got to ask about his roommate too.

Yeah, he scored in Toronto. He did? Yeah. Oh, okay. Hometown game, first game there, yeah, he scored. And that's Jack Thompson, right? That's right. yeah so he's so he's he grew up in curtis with you down the street right yeah we lived like five

houses down and he's your roommate yeah so now he's my roommate here and we went to went to sweden together too during the covid year so we've done it all kind of that's pretty cool yeah i know it's been nice how excited were you when you found out he was getting traded here yeah it was awesome i was on the road in texas i believe and we were out for dinner with a bunch of the boys and he kept blowing up my phone and i'm like dude i'm at dinner like don't call me he's like no but i need to get a hold of you like i'm like okay whatever so i pick it up i'm like what what do you want and he's like i got traded i'm like all right whatever yeah funny and he's like no like no shit like i'll be in uh texas tomorrow and then yeah sure enough so great that's great yeah it

was a lot of excitement go ahead steve well i was gonna say like listen this is all great professional hockey is a super impressive side gig what has been your favorite moment podcasting okay yeah we'll get back on track yeah yeah let's come on your best interview you scored a couple goals talk about podcasts i mean my favorite moment podcasting if if you guys have the time to go back and watch i had a goalie i played with named ivan prosvatov uh yeah okay you guys know yeah yeah oh yeah so i played with ivan and saginaw and the amount of stories that that guy has that are just bizarre like they're off the chart some of these stories like just quickly like he he didn't steal he took his billets moped and was ripping it on the freeway to practices in

an all red russian track suit to practice in the ohl and that's a little bit like stole yeah this yeah it's just the tip of the iceberg so i mean a ton of funny stories but yeah there's there's a ton of moments i'm sure you guys it's hard to remember when you get put on the spot but um so many laughs so many times awesome why the why the bright red track suit that's just how he roles you know the russians hey yeah that's fair and i believe you got a bus to catch so we gotta yeah we gotta wrap hey thanks for your time man appreciate it so this morning we woke up to two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer

foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca by the way ethan's awesome eh yeah great stuff he was just awesome uh we are going to have another interview by the way with andrew uh potterowski a little bit later he's the current leader in the ahl in scoring so it's sort of a big deal yeah uh but we woke up this morning to jake chikrin signing a gigantic extension with the uh washington capitals you're gonna have to explain that because i i didn't even know what that was maybe i'm just too chronically on tiktok but uh i've seen all these uh capitals like fan cams of uh

ovechkin and chikrin in the tunnel before games and for some reason they just go bands and make a dance bands and make it i think it's because chikrin wears a headband sometimes oh is that what it is okay yeah yeah and but it's just weird seeing 39 year old russian ovechkin going bands make a day like just so passionately well he was probably in his 20s when that song came out he probably was i don't i don't know if it's that unusual yeah that's fair that was probably yeah like his prime is that dad rap yeah it is you're showing your old right now i know no it happens quick uh no give me some more flow give you some flowrida like what else you got hey i saw flowrida in a concert once yeah yeah flowrida at a walmart in alaska no it was it was it might have might as

well have been it was at a place called the stampede corral which all of our flames listeners will know that's where the original that was the original flames barn and that's where the the organ player was in the crowd and my grandfather's season's tickets to the flames were right next to them so he used to like because he played the organ as well and so he loved to talk to the organ player and they you know they compare organ notes well not while they were playing i think he had respect for the musicianship um no like that that era where it's like juicy jay and flow rider and even like late luda but kind of and then like ushers next peak yes and then like beaver miley cyrus bangers like that that's what i'm so that's that's that's like 15 years now yeah good kid mad

city era right like that's pretty old so not what's your fantasy luda you're talking splash waterfalls luda no i don't even like late i don't even know next luda oh you're showing your youth yeah like t-pain's era was already pain yeah it's probably over yeah by the way when we we i know we're gonna get to jake you've done zero jake jake but we got in the car we got in the car i'm like oh i'm gonna like it here bartender started playing on the radio i'm like yeah that's an oldie they're playing the oldies on the radio i love that song anyway so let's get into a jake chikrin nine million eight years uh nine million per is what i mean they're not paying a million and a half a year uh he's getting robbed he didn't read it closely enough and now he's got

to play he's got to play yeah he signed it that's the rule he's screwed up he's he's had a career year in in washington i think the system works for what he's going to be uh or for what he is excuse me because he's at the peak of his career so not what he's going to be but it's also um i mean he's had a really tough career in terms of teams that he's played with right he played with the coyotes for most of it got scored 18 goals with them in an injury shortened season that's crazy and he got into one playoff series with them and then played a season uh two seasons with the senators not long and then and they you know obviously struggled throughout that uh going through their transitions to new ownership and new general manager and all of that there was you know

the you know messing up the first round picks and all that stuff like it was a disaster and he was a part of the mass exodus of ottawa that happened in like the 23 season with like to bring cat and all that little controversy and then they turned everything around quickly i want to say 60 points last year his final season with the Sens or like this guy's a 41 41 yeah he has a 60 point season yeah this is what I'm saying and uh this is his second 18 goal season he's probably gonna pot 20 yeah as a defenseman like he's he's a bit of uh there's not a ton of Jake Chikren's out there and that's why he's making nine mil like it's not just the offensive production he's six two two oh five uh like with an organization that's pretty pretty well run oh like they've

got a stock covered uh they play a crazy system they are running away with that division and having the most fun they're they're loving it no way he's ever been on a team having this much fun no yeah it's impossible imagine going from the coyotes to i'm playing with ovi and he's chasing gretzky's record well from ottawa from ottawa yeah sorry ottawa too i didn't want to slam they just got out of the the doldrums i feel bad you can say this now like as a as a time reference late stage coyotes yes stage coyotes late stage coyotes and i would say that was bad and then transition year for ottawa which is rough and and so he doesn't have a 60 goal season this season actually point season uh this season of 43 points is actually his career high

was i looking at his penalty minutes yeah he's 60 pims last year oh no that's funny that's okay they gotta stop putting them next to each other but i think i think what's interesting is like i think um dom's model had it at like he's like it seems a little rich but with the rising cap maybe it's not that big of a deal i think it's probably right on the nose and that this is going to be a steal in two to three years and this is a guy who i think directly replaces john carlson as john carlson's career winds down and i'm not saying john carlson's going anywhere but to say that you know john carlson is a youthful guy anymore like he's a very our era right you know and and and then you have a future that is uh jake

chickren and raspa sandin which is amazing that's okay and sandin's on a great extension really good year yeah oh just good everything what's going wrong in washington like you know how there have been a few teams where you can't even count on one hand like the things that have gone right yeah for them blackhawks uh like like there are late stage coyotes the late stage coyotes the buffalo sabers like yeah there are some teams where nothing has gone right for them what's going wrong for the caps but you know what i think though it's been the one thing you have to say about the caps is it's really good drafting right really really good the protist brothers they got both of them are going to terrorize the nhl when the younger one gets there yeah

do they not have the other hudson as well uh they yes lane hudson's brother we've done this before they have cole hudson who they got with a second round pick that they got from the sabers for beck malenstein yes and uh lane hudson also fell way too far in the draft and i assume cole hudson is going to be the same thing and like they you mentioned like they're drafting as this big deal and the signings and trades like they're going to say calculated risk yes the the goaltenders having it's the ridiculous amount of little money they're spending on their goaltending those are two amazing signings and the defense that they have right now is through the chicken chicken trade the matt roy chicken actually right chick chicken trade raw milk 20 times fast yeah like

farivari is great tvr is awesome to have their matt roy and then obviously they had carlson forever so it's interesting you know you mentioned that like the the fact that they took they took risk like two years ago if i say to you guys charlie lingren that guy's gonna be a stud and he's gonna sign a big long extension with them he's gonna get them to the playoffs last year which is what he did of thompson and lingren i would you know what i would have assumed that uh vegas had some injuries and uh lingren got waved up in vegas yes a hundred percent that's that's what i would have assumed but like one of the one of the better changes scenery trades in recent memory like the the the capitals and the kings with the kemper dubois deal worked for both

who's upset about that trade nobody nobody's going really well and an underrated one because he had a down season and kind of also makes a lot of money andrew magipani again what's going wrong they you know ovechkin went down with an injury when he was on the middle of a hot streak and that broke his leg is back in six weeks yeah i said an injury because he was out for five seconds yeah he broke his friggin leg yeah and that was the moment i'm like all right here here comes the dip a little bit of no it never really came yeah there's a reason they're in contention for the president's trophy what if i added on to that uh best team in the league depending on if you think that i think they're better than the jazz the fraud over there in winnipeg is for real

or not i do i don't think i wouldn't i wouldn't put hellebuck on fraud watch quite like you do no you wouldn't oh i thought everybody's my favorite goalie okay how many goalies do the caps have that are better than hellebuck who do they got in the minors yeah no no like just how many do they have in the organization i think that's a number yeah so if i told you best team in league second best team in league wherever we want to look at it based on the standings dylan strome's their number one center yeah make it five million dollars like that is an That was an unbelievable steal. And nobody thought that was going to happen.

But this strong projector didn't project to be this. But he is that. And that's great scouting. That's taking a risk. And like kudos to them for the organization, for having all of these guys perform so high above what we thought they'd be. And early season who carried my fantasy team, Connor McMichael. Yeah. Unbelievable.

He was the other guy where you're like, where did you come from? This is crazy. Ajax Pickering Panthers, baby. yeah oh is that right that's right and then at the end of all of it you got ovi who's going to score 70 goals yeah every single year raiders pickering panthers ajax pickering raiders the would-be wildcats so there you go yeah i think there's 40 50 i think that there is enough there where you can pretty safely say that the capitals are the best team in the eastern conference like no no question uh chikrin re-signing at the number that he re-signed at

you know to be their best defenseman right because you know matt roy is a great player and and and obviously john carlson is a and jesse mentioned him earlier john carlson has obviously been a great capital for a long time through good times and bad um it just feels like winning begets winning and it's like hey when we're winning and we've got here's an opportunity to sign a core player he wants to be here he let's be honest jake trickard probably makes way more on you know In the open market? I think he gets over 10. At this point, yeah.

Well, nine and a half even or 10. I don't think that's out of the range because when you go to free agency, there's bidding wars. Right shot defenseman moves the puck. Almost 20 goals already. When does that ever become available? We were talking about the cap going up. Sorry.

I'm still a little jet lagged. Short-circuited there. We were talking about the cap going up and why if you're a star player would you sign a long deal yeah there's no reason to yeah i still think mitch should do a bridge like it's in his best interest to sign a two-year contract right now but that's a whole other conversation i'm with you man i think you're right any client like okay what do you want you want security and situation yeah then of course sign the long-term deal if you want to maximize your dollars you want money you sign me two years two years two

years two three max max so like when i see that number i'm like yeah nine's a lot but the cap going up it's not just that the cap is going up you have him fixed for nine years i don't expect him to be uh jake chikrin this level but you think that that not that nine million in eight years will be significantly further down what are you paying for that position is is nine today well it's a little over it's a little over 10 yeah 10 or 11 10 or 11 and next year it'll be closer to nine percent so later in his career when it's eight seven percent so this is what i'm actually kind of fascinated by this and i think if you're a stats geek and you want to do something cool i've always thought a project would be what is the ideal percentage of cap

per position so if you've got a top line center and you have like a legitimate top line so let's say you have a perfect nhl team right what how much money do you want to be allocating to a top center a top right shot a top left shot a top goalie what how do you and every team looks at that sort of differently but i would kind of love to have to know the science behind that i think it's too subjective because it depends on how you build your team right like do you or do you have dylan strome at your first line center or do you have austin matthews right the guys aren't actually a great example they're a terrible example yeah if you look at them just on paper you'd be like oh they're spending money like idiots and like even matt roy made a lot of money

yeah his contract's like still going manjapani like you you don't sign him to that amount of money in free agency uh strome just decided to oh my career is going to take off now um you know what it is and you what i think you had it right when you said winning begets winning yes um they're winning in the front office um they're identifying players whoever they're you know we talk about um amateur scouting and theirs is obviously very good with their draft record um their pro scouting is cracked yeah they're underrated something that nobody talks about can you explain for people that don't understand a pro scout's role what it is well uh you know in all my experience as a pro scout no you don't you don't have to be a pro scout

could you put it on linkedin is what i'm asking like give me a link to description on linkedin after the show no um they're great at going around the league and identifying players that a are good b fit them c and this is the most important part and the hardest part to pull off the guy on the other end of the phone is willing to give you right right finding a guy that that might not be a fit anymore needs a new home yeah you know how many teams in the nhl are good at identifying good hockey players 32 like 32 like they're it's finding the players that could be better yes yeah it could be better and you can't acquire yes yeah like um we've had a great example this season in miko ranton the fall off uh from colorado to carolina was stark and he's

still he's it's improving in dallas but he's still finding it the capitals have done this unreal job the last two or three years of making trades where you go oh okay and you just move on with your day and then you look uh at christmas and you're like oh that dude who i didn't care about is 25 30 points yeah yeah well i i look at their trade deadline and the only guy they brought and was Beauvillier, who is a suitcase, right? He's been in like six teams in the last five years. And a future 40-goal scorer. I'm just going to say, he's up for a big season, I think, maybe.

Or a big postseason. If there was ever a team you were going to have faith in, it'd probably be them. And I don't want to make it seem like their pro scouting is what's carrying them, they're amateur. It's a combo. It's 100% a combo. And I called out because these two teams,

are their their fates are always going to be tied or they're always going to be compared to each other the capitals when they were struggling in the playoff picture and the penguins when they oh no he did it i'm sorry in the same range i'm sorry everybody from pittsburgh oh no when they were in the same range when they were separated by like three points or something like that well they're essentially the same team in terms of the regular season the capitals drafted well the penguins uh no not they didn't i'm just gonna say it for all the pittsburgh penguins fans out there i think that was unnecessary when you're talking about the washington capitals it does not mean you have to bring up the pittsburgh penguins you can't talk

about the capitals without talking about the penguins you literally can't you can't have anything to this oh my god just cut you off like jorge masvidal and they were like it was super necessary yeah they think it is i'm sorry piss you don't have to bring them up no i think you do i think you do uh well not anymore right they're not the same anymore right you know right yeah like crosby is since four years here we go same ov is going for the all-time uh scoring record but the two teams they're not comparable anymore yeah yeah because kyle dubas runs i didn't say no i'm sorry but who runs the team who made himself general manager no no no wait wait wait wait wait so i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and say the the part that i'm highlighting

with the amateur scouting dubas can for one more draft play the i just got here card oh i don't think actually no no not one more draft you're right i think it west clark can play the i just got here card no well because now they have all these picks but the the years leading into do this were bad and poorly managed and you're absolutely right terrible terrible and and part of the criticism of him is really criticism of burke and hextall right it was not a great regime no no he was handed a mess and promptly doubled down that's the gig i'm disappointed in you two gentlemen why we didn't have to go there i think we did i think we did um mike i'll just say this mike greer would never he would have never no no yeah that's never yeah i think he's

doing a great job just in case he's still here i think mike greer is kicking ass can you can you say uh the san jose sharks are a perfect organization the san jose sharks are a perfect organization blemishless excellence in all facets including echo it is pretty i've never been in a professional hockey rink that's this empty right now it's kind of neat like it's it's like this is this gets to be just i saw the marlies their first few years of course that was during the game but can i just say like we walked in here we're like oh so this is what an ahl rink looks like not a trace of horse ass yeah not a single trace for anybody that doesn't know that the toronto

marley's play next to the toronto police horse barn so you are literally dodging uh road apples on the way to um uh it smells like horse shit yeah it stinks it does stink now uh it does get off the train loft i can't wait to become the most popular podcast in in washington because of that segment though i just say like i think russian machine never breaks gonna do a whole piece on it just butter up butter up butter up the home crowd that's right to be back in springfield all right pittsburgh and this analogy is shelbyville we do need to talk about an unbelievable goal that was disallowed somehow in the NHL last night, but we're not going to do it yet.

First, we're going to talk to the AHL's leading scorer. Let's bring on Andrew. All right. Welcoming Andrew Podorowski. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca and to the steve dangle podcast andrew thanks so much for joining us two-time calder uh calder cup winner obviously you two you also have like led

the league in scoring a couple of times this year is one of them right you're still leading the league in scoring yeah no big deal right no no no big deal yeah it's pretty sweet sorry am i embarrassing you now a lot of me also set the franchise record for goals oh yeah yeah so so listen uh pretty accomplished guy a pretty accomplished career uh and you got any science fairs you won yeah also we can add that in there like it's it's not long enough yeah it's just not long enough this is this is an exciting time to be a member of this organization top down for you um you know what what have you gotten out of it being here a lot of young energy a lot of fun guys we just talked to ethan um you know what's been this what's this season and this experience

been like for you uh it's been crazy um i kind of gave the guys a bunch of crap last year playing against them our team was like eight and all against them so it was always fun and and but just to see like where they were at now to see where we are here it's really cool to be a part that, see the organization start to come up, all the excitement, the fans. I mean, a lot of times this place is pretty dead when we'd play here last year, but our game on Sunday was bumping, and it's just cool to see the excitement starting to come back in the Bay Area. A lot of young talent up and down on both teams and definitely really exciting to be a part of, and it's fun for me

to come in and help turn it around a little bit. Well, and the fan reaction going up, that's that Podorowski bump, right? Yeah, for sure. They just follow you around. oh i i just want to know about your impression of just the facilities here because we've gotten like many tours behind the scenes we've been walking around and everybody just keeps bragging about how new it is and how great it is from the player perspective like is it truly that good in comparison to the rest of the league yeah no it's great i mean obviously you see this is brand new everything's great here uh fun to play and then our facilities are great they treat us really well um i am coming from coachella valley that was brand new and oh yeah really nice facilities

out there but i mean compared to a lot of other teams in the league and a lot of the buildings that we play in it's uh it's top notch so we're pretty spoiled in that sense and uh we take advantage of it so there's a story floating around i know that i don't think your family had any direct connection to hockey um so you're from upstate new york and uh from what i understand you somehow wanted to start playing and i don't know how that what that moment was for you so i want to ask you that but the second part of that question is i hear that you wanted to be a goalie and that your parents looked at the price tag for goalie of the year and they're like yeah how about you just be a player uh it seems that they made the right call for you but uh what was it that

got you into hockey and and uh how did you convince your parents this is what you wanted to do yeah so my parents uh they're huge sports fans you know no matter what sport it is my mom played division one softball uh my dad played sports all throughout high school and this huge sports family like everything that's on we're always watching but uh the sabers were a huge reason why and uh kind of their prime time was when i was growing up and dominic hasik was the big guy he kind of we're from toronto so he killed us you know that just broke our hearts i just want you to know that so funny story with that is uh like i was a huge sabers fans watch every game i loved hasik he was the reason kind of why i got into it and my mom and i we would like play mini sticks and play and

eventually she started calling me dom or like i was calling myself dom and whatever and now the story goes that she would like call me from the basement to like come upstairs for dinner or something and i wouldn't respond unless she called me dom andrew dinner's ready and i wouldn't go up but once she said hey dom dinner's ready i'd come flying up the stairs so uh he was the big reason why i got into it i always thought it was fun putting all the pads on and everything like that but uh i think the thrill of scoring goals kind yeah yeah there's so many surreal things about uh being a pro hockey player but you know being a being a sabers fan uh you know your gm now is a is a guy who like you probably would have watched

growing up in mike greer what was that first conversation with him like uh no yes just talking about buffalo and definitely cool you know when he was there it was when they were really good and uh even ryan miller's been on the ice with us a couple times i've been in the building where, you know, it's a playoff game and the whole building's chanting Ryan Miller. And it's like, gives me goosebumps. I remember that when I was a kid. So just to reminisce about that a little bit,

it's pretty cool. And, you know, be on the ice and see those guys day to day that, you know, you grew up coming and watching and idolizing and, you know, being part of that organization now is pretty cool. I imagine it's like a wealth of knowledge

you get from them because we saw like Jumbo walking around here and just the alumni that come through and help you guys out. I imagine they just have the most amount of stories and knowledge to pass on to you guys yeah we had a skill skate earlier in the year that it was patty marlo jumbo and uh mike ricci oh wow a classic shark scarborough legend yeah also yeah those three are on the ice running the skill skate and i'm like how many other teams have this many nhl

games running their skates so yeah it's pretty cool to have those guys and and not only just like their knowledge on the ice they're all awesome guys and you can talk to them about anything like golf restaurants the area you know life in general so really cool to have that around here how often does ethan cardwell bug you to listen to his podcast surprisingly not too much that kind of personality i thought you know he'd be he'd be pumping it a little bit more but he's pretty good about it he's pretty confident oh man yeah i mean if you were to guess and not knowing him how many years pro would you think oh four or five years yeah something like yeah he's just feels like he's he's been there forever 10 years so he's as far back as it gets on the bus he's

doing everything like you would think he's played in the league 10 years i mean he came on first before me i got a family to get home to yeah we got a road trip to get on but he's first up so oh yeah he's not lacking in the confidence department but he's he's an awesome teammate he's a lot of fun to be around and keeps the room light for sure being from upstate new york you know like we know actually you probably know more because you guys get way more snow you know what winter feels like you know a good winter uh what's it like not to have one because we're kind of jealous yeah it's it's nice i mean if you go through the run of cities i've played in i've i've had it pretty good without a charlotte true winner charlotte san diego san diego too yeah

yeah so uh i had one in chicago there one winter but i don't know how i'm gonna do it once hockey's over but i mean you don't have to that's the great part right you can just stay what if you simply stayed yeah like your coach was a player here like four or five years ago right so like i mean that could be you i know i want my i want my kids out to grow up with with the ice rinks the blue collar mentality oh my son's about to be three years old and he's still never seen snow so well i mean yeah he's been in coachella i've been here so is he hockey obsessed or is he into other things he's getting into it a lot yeah he's coming to the games he's obsessed with frenzy and mascots so uh he's starting to like frenzy's a great mascot by the

way yeah he's awesome yeah that's awesome so so okay listen you're you're like a leader on a team that is really young really full energy how do you keep guys kind of focused like is it's obviously you know it's probably got to be a bit of a challenge right because you know i remember being in my early 20s and it was a lot of fun but i don't think focus was a part of my mentality at that point i think it's just about uh competing and you know it's a job now and guys guys know that they understand and certainly this year it's been a lot more competitive in our organization and guys are fighting for everything whether it's opportunity with the Sharks more playing time with us or or whatnot so everybody's playing for something and I think that's what guys are

starting to learn and I think that's what us vets kind of got to you know show these guys that you know it's not just fun and games like you are playing for your job now and and you got to understand that but our room's been a lot of fun and and I think we compete in a way that you know makes it fun whether no matter who comes in the room if they did something funny on the golf course or something you know everybody's giving them a hard time and we keep it light but uh you know once the lights turn on you kind of got to compete and get going and especially right now it's crunch time where we are at in standings and uh playoffs coming up so who's a better golfer you or ethan uh his handicap's better is it i'll say i've never lost money to him on the court

Oh, wow. That's something. Sounds like you have to crack under pressure. I don't know. When it cracks under pressure, you can't score. We're just outing him here. Hollywood handicap. Yeah.

Hey, listen, we so appreciate your time. We know you got to get home and catch a bus and everything, but I wanted to say best of luck the rest of the way, and it's been a real pleasure. Thanks for making time. Yeah, thanks, guys. So last night, the New York Islanders and Columbus Blue Jackets uh faced off it probably the most important game of the season for either team uh this is a playoff

race it's a playoff claw your eyeballs out sort of race in the east and uh the isles appeared to have scored with seven or sorry nine seconds to go in regulation and i'm going to read from my notes here goal to take the lead take the lead four three it was tied which means they get two points columbus gets none which is great because it's like put your face in it swirly you know and That would have put them in a tie for the second wildcard spot with Montreal. Yes, now Montreal's got a game in hand. Sure, but that doesn't change what would have happened. The goal was, strangely, immediately waved off by the ref.

So that was number one. I didn't understand that at all. And then the Situation Room reviewed it, and they said, no, the ref was right. And it was goaltender interference. Now, for anybody that hasn't seen the clip yet, I'm sure you have, but I'm going to just sort of describe it, and hopefully uh producer drew back home can put some screen grabs in but essentially what we have here is kyle palmieri is behind the net in the corner rings the puck out to uh one of his uh

defensemen and then is moving towards elvis merce leakins who's the uh the columbus goaltender and trying to gain position in front of him but not in the crease area elvis merce leakins reaches out pushes um kyle palmieri and and is moved a little by kyle palmieri but at no point is palmieri in the crease and they still ruled that uh elvis merce lincoln's was basically taken out of position or impeded is the word they use i think everyone's missing the point with that give it to me so it's not the shove although i have a problem with that and we'll talk about that it's the skates so their skates clash right and if you're a goalie i think that's the part that matters the most what i have a problem but they didn't clash in the crease i think that's important

it i've never quite seen it so perfectly on the line palmieri was going to skate through the blue paint yeah like it would have been impossible for him not to at least clip uh the corner but he's allowed to do that so he's still in the white paint Merzlikens is still in the blue and to me their skates clash right on the red his toe connects with Palmieri's uh the the his heel and it knocks him off balance so it was funny in the replay they're talking about well Merzlikens had time to get set what about Palmieri he had time to get set after getting knocked off balance and tip it perfectly into the net. Merzlikens, by the way, also,

I think this should be a factor on goalie interference calls. Would he have stopped it? No. But that's not what the rule is. I know, I know, I know. It should be, but that's not how it's written right now. If some butts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a gumdrop Christmas.

Is that how it goes? Yeah. Is that actually the saying? No, I don't know. Did you just make that up? I think that's how it goes. So here's what the explanation, right? from the situation room so what a lot of people are doing with the goalie interference is they're

saying well here's what it should be right that doesn't matter no all that matters is what it is explanation video review supported the referee's call on the ice that new york's kyle palmieri impaired elvis mers-leken's ability to play his position in the crease prior to the goal the decision was made in accordance with rule 69.1 which states in part that goals should be disallowed only if one an attacking player either by his positioning or by contact impairs the goalkeeper's ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal i just don't think that's what happened i understand why they made the decision i understand because if you guys want to look here over there there's a screen freeze frame here a screenshot of palmieri and

mers lincoln's their skates high five yes they essentially they they they touch the outside of them they they barely touch but they high five and i think if you touch the goaltender in a way where your skates touch and he makes a big deal of it because that's what didn't all no but he shoves him yeah that's a big deal shoves him later that's literally what that's where i was up right he they high five skates he shoves them he makes a big deal of it and goaltenders always make a show of when they're touched and i understand why they went with the decision because you can't touch the goaltender so you can but you can actually in hockey people bump all the time and and and people goaltenders get bumped all the time and by the way look at the

time no but no but palmieri skated through his own free will to the goaltender and made contact with him and then a goal was just supposed to give him a wide berth the the crease is the line but yes the crease is the line but he's merce lincoln's is in the crease his full body is in the screen and when so anything that happens after this is is automatically a no no but a goal a goal was scored so a goal is immediately scored after they high five skate so i understand how the situation room got from one to the other i i so i guess my point jesse is okay you look at the time on that it's 11.1 seconds to go the goal is scored 1.8 seconds later in pro sports 1.8 seconds is an eternity especially at the end and when you look at no no but here it's it's not though it's two

full seconds later almost and you look at this okay so are we going to look at goaltender interference now as like an offside so if i make contact with the goalie in the crease for the next 30 seconds um nothing can count because i made con i i made contact when we go like 45 seconds into the past review a goal because that's when they gained entry i think and it's an offside and that's it i think that's how it's always been then blow it dead yeah but that's not that's not what they do there was there was a goal you're asking for them to change the rules there was a goal maybe years ago that i still resent um the the so everyone knows the matthews point when he scored and because there was a goal before that that was disallowed

that's not the one i'm still salty about it was at least king's game in toronto quick gets knocked over i don't remember how it happened let's say a leaf did it and he shouldn't have done it quick proceeds to stop playing hockey he like left he's campaigning to the ref litigating to the ref skating out of his net throwing a giant jonathan quick fit which great goalie great career man that guy craps his diaper sometimes and that's exactly what he was doing he quit playing the leaves didn't and a few seconds later they score i remember that and they're like nope goalie interfere he wasn't playing count if he didn't play but this is my point is that if you have something like that if this is how this rule is written and you're right jesse i think i am asking

for the the rule to be changed that means it invalidates literally everything afterwards and that's what's so annoying is like there are certain times where i can see like i'm watching you know a team usually the leafs and i'll go uh oh that's that should have been offside they i hope they don't score here like that's literally what it does to me yeah and so are we going to do the same thing with goaltender interference or is the nhl finally going to get to the point where we clear up the gray areas with this because this is not for whatever you may think of this particular situation guys this situation the goaltender interference and the gray area around it has been an issue specifically the last three years and and you know i can remember when we were

growing up remember the creases were wider and everything was an in the crease goal and they called everything back and the stanley cup winning goal shouldn't have counted we know it shouldn't have counted brett hall's foot was in the crease yeah well so my point my point in all of that is saying if we don't clear this up like this is a consequential game for those two teams but when it becomes a consequential game for the nhl which it did in the finals in dallas versus buffalo then they change the rules and i think we're going to see this in the playoffs where something crazy happens at the end of a game it kills kills a game for a team because i think it's worth mentioning the islanders lost in the show they got a point when they should have got two and columbus got

two points when they should have got zero yeah yeah this whole situation and it was also important because new jersey lost to thatcher demko who made an unbelievable save in overtime oh my god uh lost to the canucks and i don't think jersey's gonna like fall out but if these teams are gonna make the playoffs you know that's that's important there's an opportunity to make up i think new jersey's got a big enough buffer and they do that i don't think we need to get into new jersey missing the playoff territory the islanders but the the other thing i think is important is the person we should feel bad for is every islanders fan in existence because it's not you can't look at this and understand what's going on you talk about this all the time is like hey

if somebody's watching this hockey game for the first time this is impossible to explain to an average oh my god and that sort of stuff is is completely ruining the game if you're an islanders fan you should be pissed off because this doesn't really make sense maybe you could kind of reason with it but it's unfair to you also two seconds later like it's not he had as as you were alluded to i think you nailed it would he have stopped it anyway no no that's not in their decision making and it should be here and you're right jesse you nailed it i gotta we want to change the rule so you you know sometimes we never do this thought exercise this way so if i had to explain this from scratch to someone every goalie is a precious orchid you may not breathe in the wrong direction

of so let's let's do a fantasy scenario here like let's let's say this doesn't happen something else happens kyle palmieri skates in front of the blue paint which he's allowed to do and punches elvis merzlikens right in the chest in the dick and balls in the dream punches him right in the dick and balls what would you expect it we're like elvin you should have worn your cup wow that's so crazy why did he do what would you expect to happen a couple of years i would expect that first off the goal probably doesn't count goal probably doesn't he might get a penalty he'll probably get a penalty everyone on the blue jackets beats the shit out of them yeah yeah probably and everyone looks at it and goes yeah you shouldn't do that meanwhile goalies around

the league not just Elvis glove and blocker guys in the spine oh yeah which Merzlikens did Merzlikens did on this play was pushing him from no there's no rules for goaltenders no growing up watching Ed Balfour on the Blackhawks but then when he became a leaf I was like holy shit yeah the stuff he was Jordan Jordan Biddington assaults people constantly on the ice listen a lot of it's fake he does pull punches literally yeah but when you're not looking you're Your back is turned to him. You're watching the play. He's going at you.

Both Leaf goalies are awful cuddly. Yeah. And I love it. Good. No, Wool, who's like the happiest, go-luckiest little golden retriever, blockers guys all the time. Also, blockers hurt. Oh, yeah.

They're meant to stop like 100-mile-an-hour pucks. You think this thing's not going to hurt you? But the goalie's just defending their crease. Oh, yeah. So, here. Here's a new rule. New rule proposition. Blue paint is lava, and you get to do whatever you want from in there?

All right, white paint's lava. I get to punch you as long as I'm in the white paint. Yeah, you're free for cross-check. Just deck a goalie. It's fine. A goalie's behind the net with the puck. You can't hit him. That's goaltender interference.

Yeah. Why is that? Because they are delicate, precious orchids that you may not look at them. And they don't have the same. It's going to screw up their pH. And they also can't skate as fast. And they are a wide-open target. They need to be protected.

They're carrying a ton of equipment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are they tough or not? Are they nice or not? Goalies need to be protected, but to me, that's pretty much. They do need to be protected. I get it. I get it.

Now, I will say this, and this is the next most important question. I'm going to read some quotes. Kyle Palmieri, I think it was effing embarrassing. That was hands down the worst no-goal call I've ever seen. Beau Horvat. If Toronto is afraid to overturn calls by the referee, then we don't need Toronto. Patrick Waugh.

Oh, that was Waugh. Yeah, let me finish the quote. And then I'll ask the question here, which is, how many fines? How many dollars in fines are we going to get after this game? Literally all of them. They're all getting fined, right? Zero dollars. You think zero dollars?

Zero dollars. No. Zero dollars. This is what we talk about with the NHL, is there's so much gray area that they can be like, Hey, you're not allowed to do that. Also, you kind of got fucked a bit. So here, we're going to waive the fine.

I think this is an admission like, you know what? Rule kind of sucks. You said some shit. We're even. Can you read it again? He said, if Toronto is afraid to overturn calls by a referee, then we don't need Toronto. Meaning the situation room in Toronto. By the way, my follow-up is, can we move the damn situation room out of Toronto?

Please move it out of Toronto. um i think there's like he didn't call any referee out in particular he didn't go on a tirade against arrest kelly sutherland or anything like that no fine he just said some shit about the situation if wa said what palmieri had said then it's do you think palmieri gets a fine maybe but player fines are so much less head coaches get fined 25 g's there's no rule there's no rule on that whereas like with players it's like hey we might we might take five grand you know what else goes into this i think they all skate dude the thing that also goes into this is that patrick wall is patrick wall and if that's sheldon keith who says that it's different he's

probably getting fined like 10 million dollars yeah you know so yeah 10 million yeah get an additional 25 000 fine for looking at west mccall yeah um how long do you think before they end up changing the rules here fully uh i i don't think one regular season incident sways them um maybe in the playoffs they look at it but at the end of the day they look at it and they go what's the priority here what's the reason for these rules the purpose of that rule is to protect goaltenders and in their mind yeah fabergé eggs yeah yeah good term yeah good term i don't know why I went with Orchid. Fabergé egg is a good one. Okay, so here's the deal

guys. For the rest of the week, we have another show coming out tomorrow, which is amazing. We're also going to have meet and greet, so I'm going to run this down. We've got a Barracuda watch party tomorrow, which we're so looking forward to. It's going to be the best. And then Thursday, a meet and greet with the Sharks.

Not actually with the Sharks, but at the Sharks game. We're bringing them all out, lining them up, one by one. It's going to be like at a funeral. You just shake everybody's hand. On Friday, watch a Steve Dangle podcast live here, and then obviously meet and greet with us, and then we'll do some post-game stuff on Saturday.

But we're going to be in San Jose all week. We're having a blast. Saturday, we're riding a Zamboni. Yeah. Oh, my. I forgot about that. Yeah. That's pretty sick.

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