The Steve Dangle Podcast - Overreact SZN | September 22, 2023

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

Get tickets to see the SDP live here: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/thecourseandtheclubhouse/973853 On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, he other Caufield and revisiting John Scott vs Phil Kessel (00:00), the Leafs don't need PTOs (27:00), Tim Stützle says everyone should play for less money (43:00), Julien Brie-Jois follows up on Steven Stamkos' comments (1:03:00), Chatting with Zechariah Thomas of swift-hockey.com about affordable hockey equipment (1:16:00), and how much should Trevor Zegras make? (1:24:00). Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Listen, it's NHL ice. It's hard to create that in a hotter climate. They've been promoting this for months. I know. And here's the worst part, is it just happened, and it's not their fault. It happened to be the Coyotes practice that was canceled, which is not fair. That's got nothing to do with them. Yes.

I'm not going to punch down there. We shouldn't. No, I'm not. I just felt like, man, it had to be the Coyotes and this in the same thing, right? There's got to be a little bit of FML if you're on that team. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, all right, here we go again. I mean, they're NHL players.

I'm sure they can do without a practice. They'll be fine. It's got to be more shocking to the king. Yeah. We're not used to this. They've had some things go their way in their history. Yeah, dude. Like, that's, it can't.

i try to i i can't say like this can't happen because i'm like okay what could they have done differently i'm sure they tried everything they possibly could have but also ah but also man yeah nice yeah you do you do oh it's it's just so weird that the byline on the title about the kings having a practice at rod laver arena it says coyotes skate at local rink to ensure ice will be at nhl standard for preseason games in melbourne and suddenly today the ice is not at preseason it's a little unfortunate it's very nhl yeah like there's puddles though yeah and and it's like it's it's apparently like gravel dude it can't happen it just can't happen yeah also isn't it like spring uh in australia yeah it's the opposite i don't know it's fall

here yeah i would imagine it is spring there yeah because they have they have christmas and summer which means it's only gonna get hotter yeah figure it out man i know my god i feel bad this sucks for fans in australia well 100 did you see the uh did you see craig morgan retweeted the um uh somebody down at the rod laver arena and like the stands are almost full like people are there and they're excited and they're the practice they're there for practice talking about well because what a ridiculously rare like treat what what a cool event like how often do north american sports teams visit australia let alone a nhl team two two hockey australians like hockey man well the aihl is pretty popular people look at you sideways well so i believe it was the melbourne

mustangs just won the aihl um championship shout out sasky stewart who used to work there two former it's either two former nhl players or two former nhl draft picks were on that team oh yeah yes oh i didn't know that yes the standard is growing and uh i was just i was really disappointed because uh uh i've been fiddling around on the nhl media sites and they've been promoting the absolute shit out of this thing for months they should it's exciting now listen this is just one hiccup yeah if this doesn't continue we forget about it it's just practice but you know it's like it's the first day yeah and it's like come on you know yeah well like a little bit of guys could get hurt absolutely too and that's the last thing yeah so they didn't go out there yeah

although to be honest with you i guess they were there these are high-end athletes and we were not but i can remember so many puddles at heron park arena whenever that zamboni went out there the zamboni went out there and just like i don't know what your local barn was like growing up but ours was 75 years old ice cold like your toes would freeze in your skates it was so cold if if you took a puck off the skate it hurt and i i can remember the zambonis would come on and it would be like a sprinkler just be like and then you'd get out there and you'd fire the puck into the corner with your like little grade forearms and the puck would skid to a stop because it was in the water and then the water would get up on your skates and it would freeze to your skates

oh so it would freeze them yeah it would yeah just not where you wanted it to ah so it's just anyway um the other thing i want to ask you is um and this is moving on from australia for a second will caulfield be the greatest leaf of all time yes oh with it without a doubt like could be could be the great forget austin matthews forget dave keon forget george armstrong is it is it caulfield it's a hundred percent caulfield caulfield is a leaf that's right the greatest caulfield of all time brock caulfield brother of cole caulfield jesse can you bring up the picture please i maddie there it is maddie can you bring up the picture it's weird and he looks like him like yeah i'm not wearing my glasses right now that just looks like cole caulfield in the leaf

uniform yeah yeah to me yes now uh brock caulfield 24 years old um he has played in the big 10 for the last five years uh last year had a really good season 34 36 games 11 goals 12 assists 23 points is he not signed to i believe he's signed to the marlies isn't he i don't know i think he has a contract with the organization it's funny because i'm looking at his number 68 and i feel like it's not because he's a huge yarmir yager fan my i think it's just they could just give him yeah you get something in the 60s or 50s when you're not on a roster no everything's a conspiracy i i think cole caulfield was like you have to wear 67 uh-huh and all his friends were like no you got to do 69 it's hilarious and he settled for something in the middle okay you pick

68 i don't mind 60 68 feels good it does he'll thrive in that number he will uh do you so the brock caulfield right now is wearing a least practice jersey right because in in these scrimmages and these prospect tournaments they don't get leafs jerseys they get the the practice jerseys and apparently that was a kyle dubas thing i think it was on 32 thoughts wearing the jersey wearing the practice jerseys because he felt you had to earn the real jerseys because other teams they'll they'll let the prospects wear the real jerseys but kyle dubas was like no we put them out there in the practice jerseys because you got to earn the real jerseys your prospect i like that i don't hate that i think it's a good idea so i guess they're keeping up with the tradition that

yeah started well that's why you know it's funny that's why i was asking a couple episodes ago about like do you get to keep your jersey even if you never played a game so like if you're the leaf sure give the practice jersey away but until you've earned that jersey you haven't earned that jersey i like that i think i don't know other teams are just like hey you can wear the jersey it's fine it's not that serious but then the leaves have to be like you know what you gotta earn this they're not the only team they're not the only team but like other teams are like yeah it's not that serious there there does exist we've covered this on the show before there does exist somewhere an authentic game used tuka rask toronto maple leaf jersey yeah because he played

in one prospect tournament game he played one game with do you think he has it do you think it's his no because remember i feel like i went on a psychotic rant because the leaf which time i know the leafs were selling it on their website oh because they just happen to have it they were selling this piece of memorabilia and i was i was like i don't care who you give it to but you do not charge money for that how dare you yeah you do not profit from this monument to one of the biggest mistakes this organization has ever made and adam read that conversation somebody on our discord had an answer uh nola brass commented on the jersey situation because i was telling you how nfl players have to buy back their own jersey yeah yeah in the nhl in

the cba in their agreement they get two jerseys per season oh so you get to you get to talk to your equipment manager and you get to pick out two jerseys that you get to keep cool but that's from uh nola brass um i think that's a lot better than paying back for your own jerseys like yeah yeah man but the nfl like they'll do anything they don't care about players you know they'll cut you even though you have millions of dollars you know on the line yeah they broke the union in the 80s and it's never they've never had guaranteed contracts in damn your knee's not supposed to look like that well good luck yeah yeah job yeah but uh two jerseys that seems like fair yeah take those home it does one home one away or something like that uh steven ellis from

the uh uh excuse me steven ellis from daily face off um i he was the one that tweeted out that picture and he actually tweeted me he's like uh fun fact uh brock and cole caulfield are currently tied in scoring let's go maybe i told you do you hear the footsteps cole fucking right there right there he's in your walls cole yeah i'm slamming your fucking cupboards rattling your chain oh now jesse you brought or sorry steve you brought up best of toscala no you didn't you brought it up but go on but i'm bringing up vessel toscala because mikey stevens from the hockey news tweeted yesterday that part of samsonov's uh new masks was inspired by vesa toscala but also by curtis joseph and curtis joseph apparently approves of the mask what do we

think so listen vessel toscala was not a good goaltender for the toronto maple leafs yeah but he did one thing right what do you do his mask slapped it absolutely slapped and we're covering it right yeah maddie do it do we not just scroll scroll or just you'll have to i'm mad there it is dude that's it's so good and it's actually i hadn't made the connection because like i saw it and immediately was like oh it's like kujo's no kujo's uh mask is obviously kujo the dog um but it's the kujo mask in the style of the vesitoskala skull oh right because it's got the wide dude it's really good you know what you need to now that now that i know that it's sick you know you need to do a video on masks you need to do a top five

or top 10 masks in leaf's history oh okay well felix podvin is slots one through four you're wrong kujo's mask has got to be number one it's the best mask i would argue in leaf's history felix podvins is more iconic than kujo's how dare you i would are you sure you think so artistic what about eddie the eagle he had a good mask this is what this is what i'm saying you need an lfr but not a mask fr can you do that mf mfr yeah mfr yeah i could do that steve dangle mfr I've been called worse The other thing I wanted to let you know Is that, and this is sent in

From one of our listeners Mike Honcho, apparently you can Buy a five foot and a half Fiberglass Curtis Joseph Maple Leafs goalie mask On Facebook Marketplace, I asked him for a link He has not texted me back with it So I'm not sure if this is an old screen shot

But somebody had this in their backyard I want to know what the hell it was from How much is it? $2500, have a look Let me get my wallet yeah let me that's that's pretty cool that's five and a half foot dude i want it that that's such a great backyard statement piece if you have a backyard oh yeah like think of like how would you steal it i oh i don't even know how you transport you'd have to would you get a u-haul because it wouldn't go in one you'd have to get a trailer you couldn't just run down the street

with it you couldn't wear it i'm gonna search marketplace right now for it okay so $2,500 oh wait you know what there you know what we should do we should buy it and put it on the front of sdp and hq yeah too bad it's already en route to curtis from alberta's house how would he get it there well you train i've had to ship cars yeah you know move across i think you have to do it by train and you have to cover it it's a car sized goalie mask you can if you wanted to you could drive the car smart that you a lot of you couldn't drive the mask a lot of kujo stuff but the mask is not there i assume this is an old picture no else we could have bought it hmm what thirty dollars for a bobblehead no no is it a kujo bobblehead yeah it's right up your

alley you don't want forty dollars kujo bobblehead steve you paid 50 for a rhymer wait no i'm sorry that's actually here can you put this on the screen i can't that's quite a good one i've never seen that one it's actually quite a good one he wants it and i do want it now no they uh the the leafs uh had a kujo bobblehead years ago and it wasn't very good i want this one though so what's this one what's the difference yeah the difference is um kujo is facing you what his face is directly to the side i don't know why you're so enthralled with this dude it's a nice he looks more like tuka rask than he does kujo oh shit you're right he looks a lot like like it's nothing special somebody i think that somebody did that themselves don't

you think maybe yeah that doesn't look officially licensed no it doesn't but it's well done i just think he looks like tuka like a young tommy lee jones maybe oh shit it's like the base of it really well done yeah and the the pads are like perfect the pads look exactly like no this is awesome but i don't know oh oh do you want it oh do you want it what are you gonna pay 60 for it you know how difficult it is to buy something off facebook marketplace oh my god is it like it's like it's it's like tinder but for buying shit it's it's one of the worst experiences you can have a terrible terrible going back and forth with this person who might just be at any moment be like stop responding to you they just ghost you after you wanted this item other people and

then you got to meet up with them yeah you got to find a time and location to go to this random person's house or a starbucks to buy a 40 curtis joseph bobblehead talk about something that's not worth your time can i tell you about a far more desperate time in my life uh where so this was during school and i had no money and i was selling stuff on it wasn't facebook marketplace it was craigslist and uh i was just selling a bunch of like hockey cards and toys like not just like hockey figurines like just action figures that i had and this like desperate dad called me up and he was just like yeah i'm always at work and uh yeah i just want to get stuff for my kid and i was i was selling this enormous collection of hockey cards and toys it was for 50 bucks

and i'm like yeah i can give you this this this this and he just goes all right all right okay oh yeah but for for 50 bucks what else you got and i was just like what else do i got but you want me to you're asking me to like throw in i'm like uh i got like a spider-man it was so weird and and oh yeah and i forgot to tell you the other thing was he could only come and get it at 11 o'clock at night oh jeez i don't know this sounds not great sounds like he was gonna rob you so i go i go dad i need you to take me to the i'm certainly not inviting him to our home i go dad i still live with my parents i go i need you to take me to the gas station so i can give this guy that's so fucking weird man did he rob you he did not he actually paid

the 50 he paid the 50 at the gas you know why because gary glenn was there yeah and yo when you see gary glenn you don't you don't mess around you put that gun and knife away he's got the popeye four oh is that the drummer from atomic tomb yeah he has four autographs actually yeah that's right oh his timbers were shivered they were shivered all the way i don't know if you ever saw this this tick tock's really old but there was a really famous one where it's like hey dating dating today is like and it's a guy walks in and he he goes hi there and then someone goes hi and then he just leaves because that's what that's what being on the apps is like it's like you match with somebody you say hi they say hi back and you're like hey what's so what's going

on or something like that and then they just never respond to you again what is this i found where are we going with this well i was talking about facebook marketplace i think i want the toy is where it started i want the toy i think that well if you open with that on uh on dating apps you might have some success but i'm just saying the the marketplace situation is very much the same somebody like will message you and you have something at 50 bucks and they'll be like would you take 45 and you go sure and then you just never hear from them again and it's crazy man it's frustrating and and then it's kind of scary too i'm glad i'm no longer having to sell my toys for money how old were you when you were like the train when this guy wanted to meet up at

11 o'clock at a gas station like 20 okay okay that's a little better i thought you were gonna be like 16 no dude i was in university like i had expenses high school me with that was fine you were like a child no dude dude it was the worst like i i just i remember being like a week into school and having to pay for the train and being like i don't know how much longer i can afford to take the train well they rob us blind with metro links here oh the moment you're done high school they're like they just do not give a shit about your life and well-being no i know i you're absolutely right about that hey i i want to ask you guys 10 years ago this week at leaf camp what happened 10 years ago this is a little bit a little bit of trivia

10 years ago 2003 2013 oh 10 years ago i'm an idiot oh so this was the beginning of the 1314 season yeah i was about to say there was no camp literally a year before jesse joined at the beginning 13 14 season i know the answer give it to us david clarkson left the bench to cuddle john scott not a punch was thrown lance hornby from the toronto sun 10 years ago this week at leaf camp followed from the david clarkson jumping on the ice to stop sabers john scott from tearing phil kessel apart uh happened in an exhibition game the 10 game suspension uh and a massively fine for clerks didn't happen i forgot that was john scott who was involved yeah listen and then we and then everybody jumped on voting him to the all-star

game yes including us like yeah listen uh uh i like john scott like he's nice guy yeah we've spoken many times uh i maintain phil kessel did nothing wrong not a thing he should have never been suspended at all yeah why was phil suspended if someone twice well because he'd like tomahawk chopped like the two hand right at Scott's ankle listen anybody that has an issue with that stand next to John Scott then yeah you've never been attacked by John Scott if someone twice the size of you tries to engage in a fight that you haven't agreed to two hands slash them in the ankle I remember that's what you should do I interviewed him at BT and then the only people I can remember being taller were like Masai Ujiri and Dikembe Mutombo Sean Ram Jackson huge you should oh yeah

sean's huge he's the tallest person i've ever met really tall guy yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right okay three guys outside of nba finals media day he's the tallest person i've ever met and just like every other nhl you meet pause not hands pause oh yeah what's up jess the only thing steve i think you got um a little little wrong about the situation yeah that's pretty bad when phil kessel went to go hack at john scott that's the second chop john scott was already engaged in a fight yeah no no the first one the first slash was valid okay this one but what about this this one's bad that's uh that's a rough i think phil kessel deserved to be suspended for hacking at a guy who was already fighting another guy do you remember why he did this by the way

why did i well i mean he's obviously it's a pre-season game and john scott like anybody else would be fighting for a job so i wonder if that was maybe part of it no the the leafs had a prospect i don't know if you remember him jamie devan yeah you remember yeah and like they drafted him he was once referred to as like the toughest player in the ohl and goes on to have a pro career i think he had a cup of coffee with the leafs but john scott supposedly told him either early in the game or before the game if you're going anyone you're going me but what happened is a sabers prospect i forget their name went at devan so devan fights him and he cold cocks him out cold and so john scott was really mad because you know there's only one guy in his weight class

and he's like if you're fighting anyone you're fighting me and scott said to randy carlisle i'm fighting the next person you throw over the boards so randy randy smiling and laughing throws phil kessel over the boards by the way randy should have taken more heat for that yes like it was like that's unfair to phil it's very unfair it's straight up his fault oh i never looked at it that way yeah like john scott was like all right rules were broken here well you know we whether or not we agree on that or whatever but he's like i'm fighting the next person you throw over the board so he threw the team's most valuable player over the boards into direct danger that was a stupid move and then also didn't surround him with guys who can handle the

situation well dude that's like carter ashton and isn't that jay mcclement or something jay mcclement where and they were just like piggybacking them because like what are you gonna do jake gardner i think i saw on the ice i don't think he was a very good coach i know i don't i don't i think not for the leafs that's a fair point you can understand why phil kessel didn't love love him that much no and then he got suspended clarkson suspended 10 games yeah it's funny that randy didn't get more heat for that because nowadays i don't think you get away with that no and also like uh like people be like what the fuck are you doing you know what i hated is that uh clarkson got suspended 10 games for cuddling john scott and you're like well dude like i know you're

you're not supposed to leave the bench and it's an automatic 10 game suspension for leaving the bench but he also didn't do anything he he wasn't harming anyone and you go yeah but it's automatic that's hog shit because players have left the bench before gotten suspended and had the 10 games rescinded into three you know who one of those players was who Paul Bissonnette and you know what's interesting about that suspension what is it didn't count in the preseason the suspension even though it happened in the preseason and there were more games to be played it did not start until the first game of the year no it ruined it ruined clarkson's time here it ruined clarkson's time here and therefore the rest of his career stupid all of it was a it was a

absolute butterfly effect that turned into a hurricane of diarrhea there's a visual well that honestly that season was like that though yes it was it was bad hey we're still good do you want a little and should be captain do you want a little background on john scott telling the story sure he uh he told the story on his podcast i'll start i'll pick it up from when uh carlisle is going to throw out the first line so carlisle gives me this little grin and then he sends out the first line i can't imagine what's going through their head as they go on the ice because i'm like red ross i'm just like fucking preseason game oh my gosh he sends out kessel and a bunch of skill guys and i'm just like what do i do what do i do they're coming over to the face off dot

and i'm like okay i gotta do it and back it up i told my wingers and i told my team then that i'm going to jump this guy and it's going to get ugly before the puck drops kessel lines up beside me and i respect phil he's a great player i know he's not a fighter and i said phil i'm going to jump you just a heads up and he goes what and then the puck drops oh that's so funny and now what a lot of people forget is phil kessel ended up grabbing a dance partner in the middle of all this i believe the player's name is brian flynn and phil busted him open well because phil phil's phil's very rollick yeah he's uh that's a tough guy he's solid yeah no he's really and that was phil kessel at his physical peak he would have been like 24 or 25 uh something like that

Yeah. The other thing I wanted to ask you guys is, this is such a wild story. I can't believe we're revisiting. Me neither, but here we are. Pre-season, baby. The funny thing with that whole situation to me is that the Sabres also employed Patrick Coletta that season. You know, they had, like, don't forget, Patrick Coletta. One of the greasiest rats to ever play. Like, so for John Scott to make that claim, oh, you're going to fight me. Patrick Coletta is also on the ice you know some of the time sort of a weird thing to say don't you think uh well i mean yeah but they're they're fine when they're on your team oh okay i would have liked patrick coletta if he was on my team for anybody that doesn't remember patrick coletta in buffalo and

i think minnesota is where he played what uh what was he like uh like just an absolute greasy rat like he would he would get into so many greasy situations now he would usually fight he did have a tendency to turtle sometimes but at least he would sort of back it up sometimes that there's two guys i can think of where i'm like i just hate you on principle coletta's one of them and uh alexia mellon oh all the guys montreal ever had like warriors whatever whatever fuck that guy i think a lot of people feel that way about um well like penguins fans felt that way about lars eller until he became a penguin oh really well because you know he was he was kind of dirty when uh when he's with the caps right when he used to go to war the thing i

remember with a melon so he would he would do all this stuff and but then he would never fight and supposedly that's because he had i think he had like an orbital bone injury and he had a plate or something so that's why he wouldn't fight and i'm like damn sounds like you problem man but nobody bought these hands you probably gotta stop fucking around because you might find out one of the uh one of the the hallmarks of leaf's camp uh over the last few years with kyle dubas was the signing of ptos and you got a lot of value out of some of those ptos like last year with zach astin reese that was a guy that came came aboard and and uh and actually beat out some other guys who had signed contracts well and it was just a contract to me yeah yeah like they they

were figuring out some cap ship and it was a they had a handshake agreement agreed but Brad Treliving addressed that in his preseason address to the media and I've got this clip for you and I just thought this is an interesting take on it because from his perspective he needs to get to know the players they already have Brad it's a few weeks off but looks like you might have to make some sort of salary cap decision heading into the season wondering about how that weighs on you and also um would you have liked to invite a couple of more ptos to this camp um second one first no our camp is where i wanted it to be um we had some opportunities to to bring some players i really think there's some younger players in this organization that

you know i want to i want to get to know a little bit better you know i've got an outside view of them that that's not I need an inside view and I think the more you I want to give them a path if there's a path there now they've got to go and get it and earn it and show they deserve to be here but we've got we've got some younger pros that maybe don't have you know they're not 18 years old right they've they've had a couple years whether it be in the minors or or what have you but I want to see if they're ready to push for a job. Let's be honest, there's not, you know, there's not a lot of help wanted signs sitting on our roster right now, right?

There's one or two, depending on how things go. But I wanted that path for those players to be a little clearer. And if there was somebody out there that I thought could help us, we would. We brought in Noah Greger, who I really like his game, brings a lot of speed um he's got some hardness to him um but i i'm happy with where our camp is is that numbers wise personnel wise i don't think he ever answered the first question no no but uh but i thought that's a good answer for the second one i think i i wanted to ask this because i'm not he did he's right they don't have a lot of open spots in the roster but they never

really do unless you go wind it back to like 2015 2016 when anybody could make it yeah because they were bad so my question to you guys is is this the most open the most opportunity some of these players like a nick robertson have had in three or four years with the organization first name i thought of like how is that not music to your ears if you're a guy like nick robertson probably chief among them. Uh, Alex Steve's, um, any of the guys on the Marley's really, um, you know, uh, Lagasin and, and I mean, if you're Noah Greger, that's gotta sound great to you because he doesn't really want to bring in PTOs. He wants to get to know guys on this team, but he invited you. You're the only one they're signing them. I'm almost positive. I looked at

some of the lines that they've been fiddling around with and like i mean it's september 22nd today like you can't put too much stock into it but i know it's gambrel uh dylan gambrel was kind of playing on what looks like it's going to be a marley's line and noah gregor is skating with the leafs i i think they're gonna end up signing the guy and i i wish he could uh i think it's interesting that he didn't really give an answer to the first question because i do think the leafs are working on something not not something huge but they they have to like a trade well okay sam lafferty being on the leaf second line either means they actually think that's a good idea and we can get into that um or he's being showcased or he's just a placeholder because you

know how sometimes they'll put like a healthy scratch guy up in the top six in a practice yep just you know you're a placeholder until someone gets back from injury the other guy who um i don't really see a path to him making this roster is connor timmons right uh 1.1 million dollars for a guy who i think at best is going to be on your third pair like that guy might get waved the the decor seems to be a little more solid and locked up than the ford group like i feel like when he's and there's little there's guys in the organization who can make a jump and all that stuff i feel like he's talking more about the forward group you know i feel like they got they got seven defensemen it's kind of set in stone there yeah man i i'm still not sold on that decor who do you think

who do you think's a sleeper guys to make this team you know if i i don't think anybody's sold on the defense core and i think if you were to give uh the leafs management group truth serum they're not sold on it either this is a work in progress for sure um and we've heard rumors surprisingly that tj brody's name has been out there or they they're maybe i think there was a report from frank servali this summer that he was a potential buyout candidate um and i well just because it would there was a it would alleviate some cap but i just yeah it didn't make it doesn't make remember we how that went frank servali reporting that it didn't go well oh no people loved it no but but the organization was definitely happy that he said that yeah

but I my my question is obviously like okay so they're gonna make they're gonna move some stuff around on defense it's I think for Brad we talked about this when Lou left and and Kyle took over it took a year or more for Kyle to get his optimal team what he thought at the time remember he had to get rid of the Zaitsev contract and Matt Martin's deal and some other things that he wouldn't have signed in the first place but even he had the benefit of at least being in the organization at the time right so i think to judge true living on just this summer i mean he he clearly wants to remake this team look at the signings domi bertuzzi reeves specifically yeah that says a lot um who do you think's got an outside shot at this roster a lot of people are

talking about nick robertson is this his his chance to really take a step forward or do you see a more like ahl light it up and then at the end of the season come on up i mean it's not a sexy answer but like i do genuinely think noah gregor has a good chance of being in the opening night lineup and signing a contract uh they always need more goals so yeah nick robertson i think is a great candidate it's such a shame bobby mcmahon isn't ready to go yeah he's gonna be he's got a few more weeks right yeah and like i think he matches exactly what brad for living is trying to do um you know it's a big player a gritty player a guy who can score goals what i'm trying to figure out thinking of the marley's lineup is who um can fill in on the right side because if

they're serious about doing this matthews tavaris nylander thing up the middle which is fun and it'll certainly get you through the regular season sam lafferty can't be on the second line i mean have a look because the lines were bertuzzi marner matthews and then it was uh nize tavaris lafferty was that what that was or yeah which like lafferty can play center so maybe the theory is tavaris can can take left face offs lafferty on the right but i also don't think that's what they're gonna do because lafferty's not a good face off guy and tavaris is elite he's excellent um i again dubas followed patterns to the point where you knew what he was going to do long before he did it well kevin pipetti would be like i bet they'll take a look

at this guy and then dubas would sign him yeah and it's because you knew right yeah he was incredibly predictable uh i don't know brad trilliving's deal right so i don't know what they're trying to do and uh supposedly kneelander at center was trilliving's idea i mean the biggest hole seems to be on the right wing and it's funny because you're asking me like who has a chance and I'm like who plays right wing William Nylander no no like on the Marley oh on the Marley's all right I think Steve's has

what's Easton Cowan's position center question like he's he's not playing no I know it's gonna be in London center right wing according to cap friendly where does Easton Cowan rank on your prospect pyramid off the top of your head off the top of my head yeah where is it gonna be

third probably tier three I gotta make oh really the low low yeah i'm trying to think of who's ahead of them like i'm trying to think of if they have a tier two guy like nize i suppose would still count so i'd probably put them up there fraser mitten's really good i don't think i'd put them all the way up in tier two and to answer your question in terms of the line groups at practice lafferty ellis steves marner were on the right wing in one group yarn croak robertson reeves shaw slaven right side on another group so robertson's

playing on the right side yeah with uh holmberg and abruzzese so gregor's on the left with camp and reeve holmberg and abruzzese so who's on the wing there what do you mean because both those guys are centering holmberg is centering it so abruzzese's job he's a playmaker his job is just set up robertson for one time bombs i guess so yeah bomb because that shot is crazy so i mean And it was Domi, Nylander, Jarnkrok. Domi, which I like because that's Nylander who plays good offensive zone defense and terrible defensive defense. Domi, who I don't really trust to do anything defensively,

and Jarnkrok, who I trust to do basically everything defensively. But how much better does that second line look if it's Nyes, Tavares, Robertson? You don't like Sam? You don't like Lafferty? No. No? Not on the second line. You're out?

Not on the second line, for God's sake. I think, too, if that Nylander-Domi situation plays out, I think they're hoping where Nylander becomes a bona fide center. I think they split time. I think it's a 2-3. It's a 2A and a 2B line instead of a second line. Domi being with Nylander makes a lot of sense because Domi can play center as well.

I feel like Lafferty on the second line is the Leafs attempting to sort of replicate the nice O'Reilly-Achari line. But not that O'Reilly and Tavares are that similar, but you have two centers, good at face-offs, not very fleet of foot, and you have a right-handed grinder on the right side. That's Lafferty and Achari play a somewhat similar game?

I don't like it, dude. I can't imagine the Leafs do. No, no. It's literally practice lines and preseason lines. Guys, this is overreaction season. I know. Right up until November, we're in overreaction. I don't know what we're doing here, but...

I can't wait to overreact. If you're able to trade Lafferty and have Robertson fill in his spot, it fixes a couple problems right off the bat. If you want to take anything from these lines about your Connor Timmons speculation, he's skating with William Lagasin in the other group. group so i feel like that's a sign that he's probably not going to make team it doesn't

really tell me or that he's got the the quote-unquote they always love this the outside shot well both those guys are kind of fighting for the same spot i think which is yeah seventh guy yeah so like the fact that they're paired together doesn't tell me it's curious too because isn't lagasin more of an offensive defenseman as well because connor timmons that's what he was like known for and the reason that he couldn't stick this was the scouting report before he came to toronto was that he was all offense and no defense i i think he's more on the defensive side i believe he killed penalties well and i would think that given that you've got morgan riley and john clingberg you'd lean towards lagas and also he's the guy the new gm just

those guys are not going to touch the power play unless they play two defensemen on both which is what i'm saying like what i'm saying is if if you look at it just from today yeah it feels like lagasin's got the better shot than timmons does yeah timmons is going to be like an elite power play guy in the a like like tj brennan yeah and like his his contract probably protects him i think it's two years 1.1 thanks kyle um i i think uh his contract probably protects him from getting claimed off waivers and if it doesn't i think you live i like him he was good like he was he was better than he had any business being is gregor camp reads the fourth line game one that's 100 what i think they're thinking you

think so so there's only one spot left well which which is that the second line if we're saying lafferty shouldn't be there or the third line because yeah you first lines figured out well i'm looking at that fourth line right there herevin and gambrel steves if i'm gambrel i'm like ah shit yeah yeah you're on the marlies have fun he was he was the fourth line center like when they signed him on july 1st yeah right so yeah we have we have bertuzzi matthews marner yeah we have nice tavarez question mark laverty if we're saying are we saying lafferty i think we're saying it for now but i yeah so i'll put question mark third lines domi nylander yonkro and fourth line is gregor can't breathe so that that lafferty spot's the only question mark that could be

lafferty or robertson and lafferty is a good depth piece right he scored 10 goals yeah like he's not a sort of like if you have 13 if you have a 13th forward that scored 10 goals in the nhl last year it's a pretty good spot to be in but he makes over a mil right but they can bury his deal yeah right you gotta have some healthy scratches you know yeah the thing is they're so up against the cap that apparently they may have to carry a 20 or 21 which i can't fucking stand and they've been and they've done that so much yeah and it bites them so often like they they have to figure this out maybe they feel like this year of all years and they would they would be pretty close to right that most teams are up against the cap and if you're going to sneak

anybody through on waivers a kyle dubas isn't here anymore waivers are no one's fucking with them no it's still the leafs and b and b who can afford them this has been this has been a four year problem and it hasn't been like the gm just got here i guess but it's still it's been a four year problem this looks like it's gonna keep going it's annoying they're how many goalies they're gonna lose this year 80 probably just jones yeah and then they pick up somebody else and they lose them again let me go awesome okay so there has to be a rule you're not allowed to claim a goalie if their mask is above

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Jesse I sent you the next link and this is a link to Jesse Blake Jesse Blake was out there stirring it up on the tick tock with the children and I actually I want to play the Twitter one

this one has music on it oh it does play the play the Twitter one but it has to do with and by the way I love that hockey is back because the shots have already been fired uh there is there's fan bases taking cheap shots at everybody i love it i'm here for it i want to see it i want to i want to drink it in and tim stutzler's getting in on the action i love it and you know what uh if you're a leaf fan or you're a canadian fan you're probably gonna hate

tim stutzler for a long time if you're a sense fan if you're not running through a wall for this guy oh i know like this guy is he's he's beautiful also i want to apologize because i missed something for the second straight show what i'm not doing my job as a dad adam can you ask do you know what again do you know what no i've never met him stop yeah maddie laughed maddie let's go do not give him that satisfaction he has to earn it okay my dad loves that one jesse are we ready to go here we are yeah all right let's play jesse blake on timmy stoots all right did senators for tim Stutzler fire shots at the Toronto Maple Leafs over their contracts. In an interview with The Athletic, he said, I think if someone is making $10 million or $11 million, it makes it hard to

win with the salary cap. But with everybody making $9 million and under in our young core, I think we have a really good chance to win. He continued, for me, it wasn't important if I made $9 million or $10 million. Making $8.35 million is still a lot of money. And if you were to take a quick drive down the road you find a core that's making 10 million dollars plus on the salary cap and they haven't been very successful at winning this definitely sounds like a dig at the leafs to me and also one that does not currently make 10 but wants to yeah like all right everybody go get them everybody go get them because no this is listen when i was saying hey the leafs guys need to take a discount so that they could win people were like how are you rooting for billionaire

owners over players oh you're right go get them go go get them why is tim stutzla so anti-player hey like okay like listen listen i knew this would set him off i think two things are true okay two things are true you can't take too much and expect to win with the salary cap so in that regard tim stutzla is absolutely right the second thing that is true is this morning marty walsh should go down the stairs make himself a little coffee put whatever he likes in it pick up the phone and say hey tim it's marty walsh i have this great idea how about you shut the fuck up shut the fuck up why why steve you're in the players union oh yeah we should all take less you fucking scab get a brain what get a brain figure this out nathan mckinnon this is gonna

to go over really well in ottawa i don't give a shit i can't wait well okay here let me make it about another player nathan mckinnon do you remember what he said before he signed the most expensive contract in the nhl no i don't actually he's gonna take less well he took less than he was worth no he he took he took less than he was worth the last time because it was what he was worth because his contract year was dog shit yeah he was bad then he signed a contract he shouldn't have he made 6.3 for way too long he made 6.3 when he should have been making 8 9 10 and then he won his cup and he got to have his cake and eat it too bless nathan mckinnon for winning and coming out on the other side with the double digit contract

but i as a normal person and everyone else is a normal person uh i don't understand how you hear a person who makes on average 8.35 million dollars a year talking about what a fucking hero he is for taking less and you're just like yes go off king the thing about tim stutzla taking less that i also i didn't get into this in the 30 second tick tock but 10 million dollars was never on the table for tim stutzla so him saying i would argue it should be yeah but i think he's really good player when he signed this deal it was a year ago oh that's a very good they did this article because he's now starting this deal so he's retconning it he's retconning it and at the time nobody was going to offer him 11 million dollars you think tim stutzla signs that deal if

he has a 90 point season yeah in a disney movie maybe in the real world not a fucking chance so he's i think he's taking advantage of the poor decision he made no no i think i think at the time he got the contract that i think he was a great deal yeah it was a great it's a great deal for the sens obviously it's gonna look even better the better he plays and the longer his career goes i'm sorry that's not enough praise for a senator's you must keep more praise adam if i offered you just 10 million dollars to do this podcast this year and you said no i will not do it for 10 million dollars but you know i don't have 10 million dollars to offer you that's not real yeah so you don't get praise for turning it down i know it was never it's not real well

because you if nobody's nobody offered tim stutzler 10 million dollars you can't say you know what guys who make 10 million dollars too much nobody offered you that yeah hey nine million maybe you could have got the nine million maybe you took 8.35 cool but 10 i want to i want to do some role playing. So I'm Tim Stutzla. You're a dude who's been in the American League for five years and you have a chance to make the team out of camp.

So introduce yourself. Hi, I play left wing for the Admirals. Hi, I'm a fucking hero. Oh! I am such a good guy. And what's your name, hero? Tim, I make...

the biggest sacrifices humanly possible stutzla yeah you know he made a big sacrifice not to make the playoffs last year it was nice okay okay like listen listen hold on hold on listen as you know and it's nice to see another member of the david pastor knox society come out into the open and talk about how money doesn't matter no tim stutzla just a hero last regular good member listen i'm filing on because it's funny i'm not like i'm so happy for the little guy in this jesse last september tim stutzla signed this deal for 8.35 million dollars from last september to when the season ended early because they didn't make the playoffs in ottawa he scored 90 points yeah he was incredible he was he should have had 100 but because he had a slow start he was

incredible but unfortunately for him he had already signed an 8.35 million dollar deal yeah so now we can look back and say you know what i could have made so much more shut up here dorian that's a that's a great deal dude i called it for all that listen i know my mentions are gonna be a fucking nightmare but which is fine anyway it's fine it's fine but last year for all the shit you're about to give me go back to last year the day that contract was signed and i told you that is the potential to be one of the best contracts in the national hockey league and do you think no but you hate it you hate the sense do you think snoot's law was like i want to have one of the biggest bargains in the nhl or did he simply fuck up he fucked up no he took the money

like yeah he took the money yeah he took the money he also fucked up yeah if yeah and now he's he's reframing it as oh i i took less you know like i could have made more i could have waited i could have had my season but i wanted to get this deal done because i wanted to stay in ottawa and i don't think you should be reframing it that way because that's just how it played out in your favor that you can reframe the narrative it also didn't play out in your favor because you could have made more and i think if it was on the table at the end of the season that you had a 10 million dollar deal i think you would have taken that i am i'm on his cap friendly page right now he's estimated career earnings 2.775 million the contract he signed 66.8 million wow i'm sorry

i'm just not interested in hearing about how you took less okay all right if he didn't sign the contract in september and dorian had to wait till july to do this extension july this past how much do you think he would have got 10 do you think he would have turned it down and said no i want eight no here this this is me throwing my cape back into the wind i think that's what would he come out of a phone booth to sign this thing you hero i think that is the whole point if it was actually on the table you would have taken the money tim like why are you you can't reframe it so he can so he can pretend that i wouldn't have taken it i think he scores 100 points it takes less than rassaline's contract that is apparently never going to happen yeah not

no you would have taken the money stop lying no by the way he's retconning it up too yeah yeah i would have played for free promptly signs for here's the 11 and a quarter i'm not interested man the thing is i think that a lot of players that signed those eight-year deals um early on in their careers are actually going to regret it because i think we're moving to a model now in the nhl where the three to four-year deal is actually more effective not just for the team but for the player um you know like it is if you sign an eight-year contract now it can really only be seen as team friendly uh because because you that the team gets the cost certainty around you uh whereas if you're a player that truly believes in your talent and tim stutzler should

he's going to be a star and he's going to be a star for a really long time he's incredible he's an amazing player a shorter deal is is going it's going to make you richer unless you have some career-ending injury no like uh gary betman is jacked about what tim stutzel had sure in the same way that he was jacked when nathan mckinnon said he was gonna take less and pasternak said he would play for free but keep all of those keep all of those for the inevitable lockout and what is it 2026 yeah and we'll be streaming uh we'll do mls podcasts or something yeah what marty walsh yeah what's messy doing today yeah it's the plan marty walsh and ron hainsey need to get these guys in a room or call them up and be like hey big fan of what you

do incredible ability how about you do us all a favor and get a fucking brain no like i'm like you can't you can't be saying that shit out loud we have a business to run the fuck is the matter with you i he said i think if someone is making 10 or 11 million dollars it makes it hard to win with the salary cap and they call but he's right he is right he's objectively right but you don't say it but you don't say it i think i think the owner could say that michael and lauer could say that yeah because he's trying to get a deal yeah and what do we all shout at michael and lauer when he says that shut the fuck up shut up no go make your money these players um to answer the question that the tiktok was actually about is he actually talking about the leafs yeah that was the point of

the thing and he should you think it's a shot at the leaf totally take shots at the leaf good for him i don't know if it's like really who else publicly has that many players making over 10 million bucks well so the leafs are held up as the standard of why you don't do this and for good reason i'm on his side like but yeah you're not dude they have these guys they're all making too much they've tried to succeed with it they haven't succeeded with it and now a lot of these contracts are expiring and they're going to make even more and we expect them to have what success question mark no they're not going to stutzel is objectively right in this regard but the the i think the nhl and the powers that be love love that the leafs have all these guys who make all this money and

they haven't done shit either it's good for business it's good for business that the leafs have these big money players who have not won and because it because it encourages players it encourages the psyche that if we take less we'll win this is what you get when the leafs fail you get shit like this where guys say if guys are making too much money you can't win because all the Leafs have done is proved if too many guys are making too much money they can't win and the Blackhawks were the bell of the ball for how many years and people were more than happy to say and then Kane and Tave signed their double digit extensions and they never won again how many Stanley Cups do they win under those extensions they signed those extensions because first off

they were worth it we turn the lights off in here so i could tell the ghost story of patrick kane and jonathan daves they played for money and then they started losing what were you saying it's stan bowman that messed that up oh yeah well how did he mess it up you had no you all by signing them to lots of money you you he signed brent seabrook to a ridiculous contract after brent seabrook was good cory crawford was on the downslope he didn't make efforts to change him out um he kept he made the sod for penarin deal i didn't even lead with that but you had you had you had penarin at what three and a half million or four million and you had sought it like six million for like four more

years are you kidding me like yarmo kekalainen should have open mouth kissed stan bowman when Stan Bowman picked up the phone and said I want Brandon Saad back. That's it. But the framing of the era of the Blackhawks is they won all of their cups before that those two giant teams were signed. And what happened was Kane and Taze went to management and said

we want to get the band back together and management didn't do the right thing. They should have said sorry guys those guys are probably not in their prime windows anymore. But instead they said you know what you're right. Let's pay too much money and too many assets. Get the band back together and look what happened.

that's what happened but that's not how we remember it we remember it as dig at the leafs well and you know what full marks to tim stutzel for stutzel for doing it yes full marks unless get it started let's go battle of ontario baby yeah give yeah full marks to him unless you're one of the 800 or so players in the union that he's okay now full mark uh you mentioned less we mentioned michael and the billionaires come on where's all those stupid fucking talking points i was getting when i was asking the leaf to take less although the salary cap ruins being a fan yeah it sucks like it does oh why are players talking about yeah um so how many players in recent years have put up good seasons and we're like where did this come from and we have to go

oh they were never bad they just made too much right luke shen where did this come he was never bad maybe maybe he re he changed his game i remember uh the first few times watching zach bogosian when when he was with the leafs and going where the fuck did this come from he was never bad just made too much made too much yeah um michael and lauer will officially be the owner of the senators uh that was announced yesterday it all went through so uh the montreal shares that he owned uh were dispersed and purchased by other owners of the montreal canadians so that's finally done michael ann lauer is officially the um owner of the ottawa senators and i for one want to congratulate and thank bruce gariak for being the only person who reported this he actually made the

sale happen just ask him uh bruce gariak's been all over this story but so have other people in ottawa but don't tell bruce that uh i mean it's like is this is this necessary if you're a local podcaster you know man it's it's hilarious the ottawa media wars are hilarious well okay there are some markets where everyone are such good friends i'm like you know there should be a little competition sure but uh then there's ottawa where everything appears to be a knife fight yeah and brett wallace had a really good sense of humor about it changed his twitter name to local podcaster i thought that was funny anyway i loved it so that's done uh also involved in the purchase of the ottawa senators are the team that steve abandoned the oshawa generals um

what on thursday september 21st the highly anticipated sale of the nhl's ottawa senators was officially approved seeing michael and lauer and several partners uh take ownership of the franchise among those partners is oshawa generals president and governor rocco tulio uh-oh this is beyond exciting for tulio and his entire family reads the auto oshawa generals press uh press release he said i couldn't be more excited to be a part of this historic deal i plan to bring the exact same winning mentality i have here in oshawa uh to the people of ottawa uh winning uh the great fans a stanley cup this new partnership will have benefits for oshawa as well we're excited to bring a synergy between our two organizations i thought that was interesting whether it's through uh our

players or our staff uh while i take on this new venture a few hours east this changes nothing about our commitment to the generals uh and bringing you a sixth memorial cup hashtag jens nation so like the leafs for example have a friendly relationship with the mississauga steelheads yes so maybe this yeah no it's smart steve that sort of thing the london knights are leafs junior yeah they are leave the steelheads out of this they are a little have i ever said the story where i someone told me what their password was yeah the wi-fi password yeah i think we've talked about it on the show used to be leaf suck yeah yeah um try it but if you keep trying to see if it's still it's not yeah no i they drafted

easton cowan i fucking hope not yeah um uh rocco tulio his son is drafted by an nhl team who edmonton or others no yes no kidding the trade is rocco tulio one for one um what was the thing about you abandoning Oshawa yeah what the fuck um listen you left Ajax doesn't have an OHL team yeah well are you in Oshawa anymore I am not you could still be a Jens fan I could still be a Jens fan I was a Jens fan in Scarborough because I'm like well they're closest um the Tampa Bay Lightning have a problem on their hands and this story is really surprising I don't think anybody saw it coming let's play again the clip that we played last episode of Stephen Stamkos talking about this is only 30 seconds long about how upset he is that he did not get even a conversation

about a contract extension this summer please play this yeah no to to be honest um i've been disappointed in in the lack of of talk in that regard so it was something that i expressed at the end of last year that i wanted to get something done before training camp started um there haven't been any conversations so are you willing to talk during the season or wait i i'm ready whenever so um the body language too something that uh that i didn't see coming but um it is what it is kevin o'donnell of fox 13 in tampa fox 13 action news well i'm kidding no i don't know i don't know if that's what their thing but i have been down there and they do have action news stations that actually call themselves action news which i love do they

have panda watch no i think they do uh nothing like local news in the states is the best um uh kevin o'donnell asked julian briseois at the press conference about it um this is what julian briseois had to say you notice stephen stamkos talked for 30 seconds julian briseois to stick handle around this oh wow two minutes and 20 seconds play the whole thing please years old not 44 years old so i fully expect him to continue to be a highly productive player not just for this coming year but for years to come. Stephen has mentioned publicly and to me that he wants to spend his entire career with the Lightning. I think it would be great for the organization if Stephen could spend his entire career with the Lightning. That's

in everyone's best interest. At the same time, it's not just about Stephen playing out his career in Tampa. It's about Stephen staying in Tampa and the Lightning remaining a legitimate Stanley Cup contender year in, year out for the remainder of his tenure as a player on the club. In order for, like, Steven and I share the common goal of bringing the Cup back to Tampa.

That's our objective. In order for us to do that in future years, we're going to need to spend our cap dollars as wisely as possible. In order for me to do that, I feel like I need to gather more information. I need to see how this season plays out.

I need to see how the piece of the puzzle fits this year. I need to see who steps up and is able to handle a bigger role. I need to see how the team performs after the season. I'll have gathered that information, and then I'll be in a better position to have a clearer picture of what our puzzle looks like going forward, what roster needs we might have, and then how to allocate our cap space in order to build the best roster possible for not only for Steven and to remain with the Lightning, but for us to stay

Stanley Cup contenders year in and year out for the remainder of his tenure with us and hopefully bring the Cup back to Tampa. So, that's what I would say. You can pause it there. You can pause it there. He just repeats himself. That was a minute 43. And I just want to say,

I just want to say, when he says, that's what I would say, no, Julian, that's what you did say. Oh, grammar police. Coming out and saying, I'm not going to talk about this with him until the season's over that's crazy that's crazy that I would just say that and he

said that and repeated that with several different interviews including I believe the Tampa Bay Tampa Bay dot com a few of the other ones that I found now um now 32 thoughts this morning had more on this this is

Maddie even owed it and you're Maddie over there she was like oh this it's a great story right Okay. So, Freedj, this line is going to floor both of you. I've heard it. Okay. It would have floored you had you heard it from me the first time.

Ah. I know people who are around Stamkos, and I am talking other players. A few of them told me there is an underlying belief around them that Tampa wouldn't be crushed if he left. Wow. So this is going to be the second time in Stephen Stamkos' career that he's going to be a free agent and have the ability to sign with other teams under the Tampa Bay Lightning. Let him walk to free agency.

He was a good little boy. He was a good little boy. He took less. And he took less. And they won. Yippee! Hooray! And if you thought it was coming back to you financially,

you have another thing coming. You want it to come back to you financially? pawn the rings after you won otherwise the only way to get the money is to take the money play this clip for timmy stutes play it for him play it for him tim stutes will be up when he's like 27 years old he'll make a ton of money well and this is the thing right like i doubt you know stamkos is going to be sitting there wallowing in poverty staring at his cup rings going if only i had taken more like oh no but these players listen you guys look we know that these players are competitive about their numbers there's a reason why mckinnon signed for 12.6

it should sign for 9.1 it couldn't be 12.5 because who makes 12.5 conor mcdavid so if you want to be the richest player what do you have to make more than the richest player 12.6 it matters it does matter and listen if you're really really thinking about it unless you're jesus it would matter to you too at that level you're that competitive you want to win everything and and so merrick followed this up and i thought this was a very interesting point he said if you allow a player like that to go to market if you're the florida panthers who after the season have a ton of salary coming off the books fuck you can offer the same financial incentives that tampa can and last time i checked they play in the same state jeffrey absolutely spicy baby spicy dude like julian

brisebois uh said nothing for two minutes there um we know there's a salary cap julian thank you for that information appreciate it i already knew we also know you evaluate players yeah we already uh knew that we know they play on ice crazy so that once they play on ice they play there and we know that as the general manager it is your job to evaluate the team once they hit the ice thank you for all that extraordinarily valuable information why haven't you even spoken to the guy because he doesn't care he doesn't he doesn't care about steven stamkos's feelings in this moment he's trying to win a stanley cup julian breezewell has tunnel vision he says i'm trying to win a stanley cup and i don't believe that signing a 33 year old soon to be 34 year old to

a long-term deal for the exorbitant amount of money that he's asking for as a Tampa Bay Lightning great is the right move to make to win a Stanley Cup and that's what it comes down to and he wants if you're going to stick around here Steven you have to make it easy

for us to win a Stanley Cup under the salary cap and that means taking less he could have told well no he is telling him that telling him now he is telling you his lack of call this yeah he told him Steve I don't think you need a more take the money these owners if they could ice a hockey team made entirely out of horses

they would no but people are the only ones who know how to operate ice skate it's not so as of yet they can't it is a million it's about winning with the salary is this i'm talking we're talking about gm not an owner being cheap no no we got to differentiate that we're the one in the same because the lightning no no exactly the lightning are the highest yeah the highest salary it forget the cap they were at 100 that's where i don't want to get confused makes it worse it's not that they don't they were not willing to spend the money it's julian briswell doesn't see that they have the money under the salary cap so they're not going to push it to the to the money he wants and if you're julian briswell if they had the money they would spend it but they don't have

the money in julian breeze was eyes if you're julian breeze one you're trying to sign uh stand close now or you're saying well we got to do right by him um you're probably uh paying what you're paying him based on what he did last year and and julian fully admits that he's come off two of the best seasons of his career he has the quote is in tampa the tampa bay.com article by i think it's eddie in the art tampa bay times uh no tampa bay.com or is it no is it tampa oh it is tampabaytimes.com let's go no sorry eduardo encina is the one that so eddie in the yard um so here's the here's the interesting part though if you make him wait you're telling him you're telling him listen you want to be here looks like you're taking less pal and i don't care what you

think you're worth it really doesn't he's going to talk about evaluating the team it really doesn't matter how good steven stamkos is what they're saying is if steven stamkos wants to play out his career in tampa bay and play for the lightning then you're taking 20 off and you better and it doesn't matter how good you are whatever the number is knock 20 off the only possible strategy here is i think what jesse just said like stamkos has to play his ass off yeah in order to he's even then even then they'll be like you're okay so you're 34 now or 35 exactly it's going down and that's my point they're letting him sit and go

do you like it here do you enjoy it here your family's here I don't know if he's kids your kids go to school here do you want to uproot them and go to Miami you can the way they're going about it is so unnecessarily callous I think that if Julian Breezewald called

Stephen Stamkos this summer and said we're not going to extend you then you then it's then it's out there yeah it's the same thing julian breeze is making you come to him yeah it's it's it's it's a power move and sports is like that so stamkos used his power which was to yeah make it up everybody's problem and on the first day of camp and guess what he's gonna do guess what steven stamko is gonna do this probably score like 40 goals he always does he's gonna absolutely crush it so

what is julian what does julian breeze while lose nothing and after that they're gonna do well in the playoffs they might even beat the leafs right they're already pissed about that cool and then they let's say they're successful then julian breeze what gets a player who was spectacular and then he could make a decision yeah you're asking them to get to the same conclusion through a different route if he calls them and he says hey i'm not going to sign you steven stamkos comes to day one of camp and he says you know what they told me this summer that they're not going to sign me and everyone's like what it's the same thing you know same reaction to the same story At the end of the day, Julian Briseois is being a very hard-nosed GM

and looking at this strictly from a winning point of view, and he doesn't care about feelings, which is, I guess, if you're trying to win the right way to operate a hockey team. I mean, look at the Vegas Golden Knights. Yeah, and at the end of the day, we're going to come to June, and Stephen Sampkos isn't going to have a contract, and it's going to be a game of chicken. It's going to be fascinating to watch.

Look at how they treat the best players in team history. Look at how the Lightning are treating Stephen Stanford. Look at how Vegas... Oh, absolutely take less. Why wouldn't you? No, let's hold on. The way the Vegas Golden Knights treated Marc-Andre. What happened with Vincent LeCavalier,

one of the best players in Lightning history? What happened? Didn't they buy him out? They bought him out. What happened with Brad Richards? Did they buy him out? They let him walk to free agency. They let him walk?

What happened to Marty St. Louis? uh that was a little bit more complicated uh he wasn't initially named a team canada who steve eisenman was responsible for and then he was traded to new york right because he was pissed off about it but here's what here's what eisenman did him a solid that way but eisenman eisenman is also ice cold by leaving him off the roster which if you look at that roster was objectively the wrong call anyway he was coming off of a scoring title the lightning and the and and jeff vinick the guy that owns it they are ice cold yeah because they're trying to win bingo doing right by a guy don't give a shit we've done right by you by treating you well and you've won cups here

that's what they would say to that the most annoying thing about kyle dubas one that's right by too many guys that's the nature of the business that's what the i mean the salary listen you want to do right by a guy get rid of get rid of the salary cap paying what he's worth that's doing right by a guy and it's it's just shocking to see a star player do this but guys this is not the last one a lot of moves where dubas did right by a guy made the least worse yes 100 yeah why would why would rasmus sandin traded how much depth he just trades away because the guy's like i'm unhappy he's like all right i'm gonna do right by you fuck that last year we were looking at um guys the leafs could potentially get at the deadline and one

of the people i earnestly looked at was alexander barabanov and i could have punched the tv button so fascinating story fascinating story and we have more for you but first we want to talk to a guy named zachariah thomas if you saw dragons den last night then you know this guy let's bring him on two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. New from Nespresso. Blend wellness into your coffee

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Hey! Right? That's hard to do. And that person is in their early 20s, which is going to make us hate what we've done with our lives, which to date is nothing compared to Zachariah Thomas from Swift Hockey. congratulations man like i gotta say first off when you went out there so first off he brings out a team jamaica jersey and who did you bring that out for wes yeah yeah yeah and you so he knew how to play the game and then of course he brings out a net and he's got all the faces of

all the dragons on it and they were and they could you know take some shots and that sort of thing but brilliant uh zachariah i think the thing i want to start with for anybody that doesn't know is what is swift hockey what's the mission for sure and obviously as most people know that in the industry hockey sticks are four or five hundred dollars it's almost crazy um it's kind of makes hockey not affordable for the most part and it's just kind of it's dumb it's dumb why these companies charge that money for every every kid wants top of the line stick every single kid one's top-of-the-line stick, and they want to have the best

equipment at the end of the day. So now my company's kind of giving players that access to have the best equipment, the best sticks. Which is amazing, and at a much lower price. What's your stick retail at? $150. Right.

So it's fully a third of what a stick would... I was looking at the merch. Well, the merch is way cheaper, too. Your merch is crazy cheap. What do you charge for a t-shirt? I think it's like three bucks. Oh, my goodness. It's three bucks.

It's crazy. I didn't I can't think of I think there was a thirty three dollar hoodie, but everything else I think was under twenty dollars. Wow. Yeah. And what I found interesting to Zachariah is that, you know, when when I when I talked to you a couple of weeks ago on the phone, because he actually reached out to us on LinkedIn and was like, hey, you know, is there any chance we can chat, work together, whatever? And that that's how I get the heads up about dragons then. um what was interesting is you were saying that these sticks because a lot of there's like a lot of sticks that people buy and they spend that kind of money because it's the sticks that the

pros use you actually have an nhl certified stick is that correct correct correct so my stick uh we've only been around for around 80 months but we have the nhl approval that as soon as we find a pro um it's in their hands and they're actually allowed to use it in the nhl wow so we're one of Most new companies who do have that, most companies who do start, it takes years to kind of get that type of approval and do that type of stuff. Well, and I think what's kind of neat about this too is your backstory because you've been running businesses since you were in high school and he has his own startup cash. So you know to buy sticks, you have to physically buy them and then sell them, right?

So you funded this yourself. How did you do that? And what did you start out with? No, exactly. Yeah. it's um everybody who asks the type of questions it's crazy that people think that i funded it myself because obviously as you think hockey sticks aren't that cheap um even for my cost it's not that cheap to fund the type of business like this um even when i was 13 years old i was

selling hats out of school uh just like reselling hats from dollar store i ended up getting suspended at school kind of reselling hats so i kind of always had that entrepreneur in me uh since i 13 years old and then obviously i was playing hockey and then at the beginning of coven hockey stopped so i did a lot of research online seeing what i could do to make some extra money at home and i stumbled across e-commerce drop shipping and all those type of businesses and then i kind of sold everything i tried everything teddy bears girl clothing bikinis like everything you could think of to try something and they all ended up working pretty well and it kind of gave me me the capital to fund this business how much money how much money this the number is astounding

for what how much money for what exactly start it up to start it all up okay so swift swift costed around a hundred thousand dollars to start and he made that himself that's insane wow isn't that amazing you always hear about like the you see a tiktok they're like here's how to make money doing this yeah and then you're actually the person who's actually doing the thing where you saw it and you're making money at it but you're not selling you're not selling courses on it no you're because the people who are really making the money aren't selling the course those are the people who aren't making the money yeah i mean it's it's amazing what you've done like it i'm it's funny when you talk to zagari it's like he

doesn't it kind of passed over his head yeah yeah whatever but i gotta tell you man it's so impressive what you've done um and it looks like you know the brand is cool looking i mean you could see it on on his uh his t-shirt right there like it's very very cool um so listen what's the plan now now you've you know we know dragons den is shot or this was shot a few months ago now that it's out there what happens honestly it's just growth at this point um even last night we got 400 pre-orders um amazing my phone's blowing up this morning uh it's i don't know when it's gonna stop so uh and then we just got an nhl article this morning also kind of talking about us being on dragons and i'm securing a deal so the next move for us is just getting

that professional player uh we're in the talks we have a lot of ncaa athletes ahl athletes but it's really getting the next mcdavid bedard like one of those type of guys for us to really have that growth within the younger generation well listen i know that i know these two guys to my left just started playing hockey a couple years ago these these beautiful athletes you ever need any rec league beginner players steve and jesse are your guys always always can i ask about what the process is like on dragon's den because i feel like everybody knows dragon den they watch it but they don't know what it's like behind the scenes what happens after they agree to fund your company and all that so yeah um as soon as they agree on

the stage to kind of fund the company someone oh sorry guys someone comes on um the stage someone comes on the back kind of talks to me i guess it's like their advisor in a sense they come talk to me have that conversation they said we can do this mount their kind of envision for the companies we kind of have that discussion right there and then there's a whole due diligence process that takes a year, maybe even over a year for that to kind of close.

So what, like we don't get the money right on the spot. It's not a briefcase they're handing you, right? It should be though. That'd be a better show. Here's the physical money.

So we can go to swift-hockey.com if you want to buy. And every time he gets sticks in, they sell out. So when's your next order coming in? Can we get an insight on that? We're about two, three weeks away. Right in time for the start of the season.

Someone is going to score a professional hockey goal with a Swift hockey stick within the calendar. A hundred percent. Within the calendar year. I guarantee it. I just want to say congratulations, man. It's great to meet you. And we're rooting for you, man.

This is going to be an exciting year. No, for sure. I appreciate it. okay so we first off zachary really impressive um by the way in case anybody missed it he's 20 years old it's upsetting just a really it's it's incredible impressive guy um reno lavoie of tva or tva tva uh in uh in quebec uh has said that the ducks are offering trevor's egress in the three to four million dollars per year range oh my goodness yeah well see that was a lot of people's reaction and no uh if he's taken a bridge um which elliot freeman keeps reporting um

yeah that's what you get what paid him more being on the cover of nhl or his next contract well i can definitely tell you his next contract next contract in a walk yeah but he had on the shitty it's not madden man on the trash shithole depressing anaheim ducks the last three years frankly since he's been there last year hit 65 points this is bad the team this is better than a four million dollar player bridge deal or not a bridge deal for this guy is six million no like and by the way jamie drysdale is not in uniform as well because he is also not signed also don't bridge in a rebuild what are you doing what are they supposed to do stop doing that remember when the buffalo sabers bridged um sam reinhardt it was oh was it okay yeah they

bridged him he got like two point something or three point something and then at the end of his bridge they extended him to be a part of their extended win no they got rid of him because they still stuck like if you bridge zegras to like a two-year deal you are still more than likely going to be bad at the end of it look at zegras's stats steve on this terrible they're pretty depressing his stats stats are great except for the plus minus oh no they're not he's on a terrible team okay jesse click on his rookie year or well no no sorry not that one uh click on his i guess his sophomore year technically yeah click that second on the team 61 points second on the team and last year first on the team the team stinks around him it's it's got nothing to do with him

the team stinks around him you should he should be locked up long term and by the way a six a 67 or a 65 point player is not four million dollars sorry it's not he was one of two players to hit 20 goals or more as a sophomore in his first full season in the nhl and what about last year go here can you can you go to uh last year look at the goal totals on the santa heim team can you arrange it by goals 23 led the team ah that's a horror show how much short terry got seven seven mil over seven years one two three four five six seven yeah and there's a contract that like uh it's a risk but it makes sense if you were to give zegras something like that maybe a little more you'd be more than justified why are you bridging this player seven

i feel like that's a lot i'm asking for more i feel like that's a lot if i led your team in scoring and yeah stinks i guess now i guess if you're the ducks you're like i gotta grind these young guys because we got to establish a precedent because pause for depression uh you don't want to end up like the leafs but you've already broken the seal by giving troy terry seven million dollars yeah like i don't i'm sorry i don't get the strategy here yeah yeah but troy terry is a 37 goal scorer yes yes so yeah if so does trevor get there without trevor's egress trevor's egress is a two-time 23 goal score okay that's fair yeah it is fair

whatever you're doing i feel like i'm saying five and a half six million is not unfair for trevor yeah i think six six something is reasonable for three to four million dollars an offer though it's like that's a pretty wide but i feel like we're we're getting the vibes that zegras's camp is thinking he should be eight million dollars times eight years here's here's what i think uh well i was gonna say what's the rush to sign a contract he needs to play he does not have yeah so we i've gotten this mindset of uh guys signing contracts one year out he's not in that position so he's actually in kind of a shitty position um as i mean as shitty as a position you can be in as a multi-millionaire star athlete who's also dating a celebrity um

the cap is gonna go up we know that teams are looking to lock up young players for a long time we know that his best years are ahead of him we know that he's never scored over 70 points he's never scored over 23 goals we all do any of us think he's never gonna pass those totals of course he is but he hasn't done it smoke those totals but he hasn't done it yet this is the you know oh marner he had 94 fucking points yeah he had 94 points see that's what i'm comparing it to so but he has to sign a deal so if you're him i want to you probably want to sign a bridge deal yeah like maybe both sides come to the realization that this is what's best for them he signs a short deal because he's going to kill it over the course of the short deal and the ducks sign the short

deal because they don't want to make what could potentially be a mistake what i'm saying is it's far more likely signing trevor ziegers to a long-term deal is not a mistake than it is i feel like if you sign trevor ziegers to a long-term deal trevor ziegers is going to be really upset because he's going to be like i'm i'm a 10 million dollar player and i'm making six million bucks so i don't understand why he would ever sign that long-term deal it's we're in bridge territory but he hasn't earned anything to get a giant contract on a bridge so he's got to take a little on a little term and play it out and prove something in the league now the other the other interesting thing there is troy terry has scored 37 goals he sure didn't last year he had 23 you can't take

back a contract well if you're the ducks you're like oh i got burned i mean probably not like i don't know what you made me question like i was looking at it like there's no way you give zegras less than troy terry and now i'm like oh also troy terry justified he signed that deal like a month ago or a month and a half ago right uh early august so he signed it after his 23 goal season but i guess the pedigree is there that you have 37 on uh a shitty team my guess is troy terry or Sorry, Trevor Zegers is thinking I'm worth at least that. Done anything.

Guys, come on. Come on. Well, and the Ducks are like actively like going for top five picks. So it's like, oh, we're not going to start the season with Trevor Zegers. Yeah, or Drysdale either. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Really? Oh, a really good forward and a really good defenseman. If you're the Ducks, do you give them more than Troy Terry? i mean i i would but okay but that's it's not how it works you're you gotta grind these guys adam i think you just give them five and a half six million bucks for over three to four years

so no he doesn't want a long-term deal i don't think yeah but you wouldn't give him more than troy terry well i don't i think troy terry's older too so he doesn't 26 he probably had arb rights uh or or they bought some of his free agency years so that's a little bit of a different story right because you know zegras is still pretty young so if you're buying somebody's ufa years yeah the price is going to go up he was at the world juniors like three years ago yeah so that's what i'm saying like it's it now the ducks need to be careful here because they have a legitimate star trevor zegras is a personality in the game uh despite the shithole teams that they have given him uh was a cover athlete of you know the video game no one's ever won a cup

with personality yeah but that but but marketability matters especially in a market like anaheim where when they don't win people don't come as much and that's something and or if they come they have to lower the tickets a little bit that's a that's a real factor and that's not absolutely the best way to sell tickets though is to win best way to sell tickets i agree whoever who cares who's there as long as you need trevor's ingress to win don't you maybe i think just settle on six and a half for three years just do that i'm into that i think that's a great term great amount of money uh hopefully the team takes a few steps forward. Yeah.

He scored 30 goals once. Like it's been a rough, it's been a rough few years. Anaheim did. Anaheim got totally screwed by the Valley sports bankruptcy. They got totally screwed by COVID. They got totally screwed by their GM creating a hostile work, work environment and having to step down.

It's been an ugly three years. Let's put some good into the, into the world. If we're the ducks, get them to get them locked up. Have a little bit. Okay. Let's have fun.

You guys go have fun. You don't really have to win this year. pressure's coming in a couple years oh man you gotta getting in win now mode is not just flicking a switch and the like the ducks did not finish in last place but from christmas onward i don't know if they had the worst record in the league but they were the most depressing team to watch oh they were terrible i watched a lot of out of market hockey last year holy shit the coyotes for as depressing as that situation is played with purpose yeah um the blackhawks were not a good hockey team they tried they played with purpose the ducks were so depressing and here's

what's going to be interesting guys i'm going to back this up with a great cronin quote and then we can wrap this up new head coach uh he is going to evolve the way they play he said i'm really focused on how quickly um uh you can see it when you're watching it right as you basically basically He said, traditional defensemen are always staying close to the net. The Avalanche don't do that. The Hurricanes don't do that. I didn't do it with the Eagles because, in my view, I think all athletes shouldn't be glued to their positions.

Why can't a guy do that? So what he's talking about is when a defenseman joins the rush, why does he have to dump it and stop? Why can't he just go and somebody cover for him? I watched some Bobby Orr footage this past week. He didn't. He didn't. You can play positionless hockey a little bit more,

and I think Greg Cronin is going to have them do that. they're going to try some stuff who are they going to try it with not trevor ziegers or jamie drives or jamie drives that's a big one i'm glad you keep reiterating that it's you're putting your new head coach in a really tough position i know um i know and they're probably not going to win many games there it is well they probably weren't going to well here's to another full year of john gibson trade rumors oh oh man oh no as he throws up like an 888 they're all like which contender wants him dude it's jonathan quick got traded that's true so let's and signed and signed who's he with i have no idea new york the rangers oh right back up new york i i got blinded by the

blake wheeler to new york which is a low-key very good signing yeah they all of a sudden one-off season they're like hey let's make ourselves the oldest team in the national hockey league fun time are they still your favorite to win the cup this year jesse no they got so old maybe they'll be good they'll be good come over to come over to new jersey they should trade caco and lafrenier that's right jesus christ um and then james dolan's like i don't even want to own this team i don't even care if they cancel sports that's wild and then But Aaron's like, I'm going to shave my head. We didn't get the chance to get to it,

but I have a bunch of early preseason overreactions from fans across the league. We'll get to those on Monday. I'm very much looking forward to that. So we'll leave it for now. Gentlemen, should we wrap it up there? Are we doing a press conference? Are we just moving on?

He hit the button. He hit the button. I guess we have our answer. Wow. What are you doing this weekend, guys? Working. Live show. Live show.

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