The Steve Dangle Podcast - Overreaction Fest | April 20, 2026

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Starting point is 00:04:22 when game two of the sends cane series kicks off i think it's the closing time of the bracket so if you're hearing this before that you still got a little bit of time to fill in and there will be a chance to enter in after the first round for something else but but here's the thing that if you get it in now yeah you missed out on the points this weekend but who cares it's just a bunch of game ones right you can no no no that's not how it works oh no no if you get your bracket then now for this one you could it's you're choosing the series and the winner so you still get full points for everything there's no points that you're gaining for each game it's not individual yeah there you go i mean maybe you know a little bit more than the person next year

Starting point is 00:04:55 because you see you saw game one right that's right maybe it's a bit of an edge an advantage uh anyway listen that's up let's start with i think uh i mean it's it's hard to pick one game that was the best game but this one was a blast montreal tampa absolute banger steve you had a great stream during oh that was so fun was it was it nice to do a game that mattered yes uh first of all yes it was nice to do hockey that mattered and as advertised uh montreal tampa i think is going to be a dog fight it's going to be back and forth there's going to be those are just two complete hockey teams yeah really mind their p's and q's like at the beginning of the third period i think the shots were 23 to 19 for tampa and i was like it definitely feels like a way more

Starting point is 00:05:44 exciting game than that and of course it it ended that way but it was entertaining skilled hockey that didn't sacrifice anything to get there if that makes sense it wasn't necessarily fire wagon hockey it was just a great product now we all know by this point uh and if you don't you got to update yourself here. Uriah Slavkovsky, overtime winner, completes the hat trick. And here's the craziest thing.

Starting point is 00:06:10 I love this stat. This is from Habs and High Heels. Uriah Slavkovsky becomes the third youngest player in Habs history with a hat trick behind.

Starting point is 00:06:20 Bernie Jeffreon, who invented the slap shot. That's boom, boom. Invented the slap shot. And Howie Morenz, who was like the original Wayne Gretzky, Connor McDavid

Starting point is 00:06:33 of like the 1920s and 30s how i i'm pretty sure howie morens i played 100 years ago yeah literally 100 years ago and i'm pretty sure i don't know if he was around for the forward pass rule like i'm i'm not sure no he probably played at least a few seasons without it boom boom uh i did not invent it but he popularized oh he popularized yeah i can't remember who invented okay um but uh that's insane company it's crazy that kid's nuts like really um you know very often you see the the the cross crease pass and it's a bomb from you know you think of guys who are so good at it and dry saddle is always the one for me dry saddle kucherov stamkos um list goes on and on he doesn't crank the thing it's just off his stick just immediately off his stick um i don't

Starting point is 00:07:27 know how much time the puck actually spent on his stick um for all three goals combined but it was probably i think the second the entire time the puck was on his stick his stick was in motion catching and and leaving yeah and it's and he's not winding up all the way it's just a snap and it's gone it's beautiful i i want to talk about some of the moments from this game because this was a moment's game there are lots of games that go by and and you're like well that you take the game on the whole but this had real drama and uh back and forth and chaos and i'm jesse i want to start with um the high stick oh my question mark high stick uh that that we thought john cooper we thought tampa was going to the box but it turned out not to be yeah and john cooper complained

Starting point is 00:08:17 about it and do you think that john cooper in his persuasive lawyer techniques do you think he got into the heads of the refs or do you think they made the right call i think people like agreeing with john cooper uh-huh i think when john cooper says something he has a very persuasive way of saying things and they like agreeing with him that's that to me is one of those examples of okay that might be how the rule is written i'm not sure but that's asinine we all understand that's completely asinine right yep how many explain what happened for anybody that might have missed so so uh brandon hagel interfered with caden gooley caden gooley stick is high but because of the interference from brandon hagel he whacks braden point in the face with his stick

Starting point is 00:09:02 it's originally called two minutes interference against hagel that's a habs power play and it turns into two minutes against brandon hagel four against ghoulie which is then a tampa power play and i'm like john cooper's a jedi like the power he has over officials i was talking to habs fans and i was just like tampa for four to seven games though and the it's all the same reaction both florida teams are exhausting for completely different reasons you know tampa is obviously very dogged and they can do the rough stuff too biggest litigators in the league i've said it for years said it for years it's absolutely and crazy how how many levels removed is what happened from brandon hagel simply grabbing caden gooley stick and hitting his teammate with it it's not

Starting point is 00:09:58 i mean there is i mean that there's there's an intended action with that this one seemed completely accidental right so there is yeah but it's an infraction and the result is the same the the infraction caused the additional infraction well you got to be in control of your stick well that's not true you put a caveat on it Brandon Hagel cannot simply grab Caden Gouley stick and then hit Braden Point with it okay so we found okay so there is a line all right can we go further if you do something that's against the rules and it causes my stick to hit your teammate i shouldn't get four minutes for it that's asinine that's so stupid and the refs disagreed they said no that's actually very smart jesse do you agree with steve or do you

Starting point is 00:10:50 agree with the john cooper school of thought that this should have been a penalty um i i'm like kegel also got two for interference yes on that play he did get his pen his interference it was a habs power play that turned into a tampa power play which is just jedi mind trip yeah yeah i was trying to bring it up here again so we could go through it but um it's like i think the refs got it right by the letter of the law which is what and that's what their ass which is like yeah that's fine yeah you know but what i what i'm saying is the letter of the law is so dumb lightning fan or Lightning fans are already steamed this morning that they lost this game. And so when they see

Starting point is 00:11:29 the game, like, I don't know. That's the sequence there. So watching it back, Caden Gouley's stick hits Braden Point in the face because of Brandon Hagel, beginning middle end. Right. And I just think that's a weakness

Starting point is 00:11:45 in the rule. Okay. All right. Fair enough. That is a weakness in the rule. Now something I did say after the stream and i was either right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons i can't decide all right i said john cooper is going to manipulate the story of this game to be about the the calls right in the game now he did but not for the reasons that i thought and we have the clip and

Starting point is 00:12:15 we are going to play it do you want to go to that now i mean like we can i suppose we could go to yeah i want to show this first show this first this is so this is the screen grab and you'll see right there okay looking back at it now a couple of 24 hours fresh minds is there a case to be made that the stick was going for the head before hegel got in the way yes but it bangs point in the face causing damage and causing the extra two minutes so four minute double minor because of hagel it would have just been this limp thing that point maybe goes oh and like a little head head back or whatever but he's walking that's two minutes okay fine which isn't a tampa power play right which is what they got yeah because hagel gets

Starting point is 00:13:06 the interference and then yeah there's an argument that i'll listen to that this should have been a wash right where where it's two minutes for hagel two minutes for gooley okay fine but it's four and the reason it's for objectively is brandon hagel he's the reason it hit him so hard because the ghoul he's getting interfered with yeah yeah yeah because this limp stick he's holding at the top one-handed has nowhere to go so it just goes whabang into the guy's face yeah no i i was originally on your side and watching it back i'm trying to convince myself of the tampa side but i think you're right i think it should have been a wash in this whole thing i can i can live with the wash yeah what i what makes absolutely no sense to me is tampa coming out of that with a

Starting point is 00:13:53 power play that's that's ridiculous fair that defies logic it's being difficult for no good reason what are we doing um we can go to the john cooper clip now uh but i do want to talk about josh anderson's disallowed goal as well so we can we can do another big moment in the game you want to go to cooper jesse it's the first it's the yeah we can play cooper uh it's right here i thought he wasn't going to let Montreal have the victory and he wasn't going to let Tampa have the loss. And I think he played this absolutely perfectly. I do too. What you're going to see here

Starting point is 00:14:24 is you're going to see the first minute 0-4. I think that the NHL was a little bit late in streaming this media avail. So we can't play this video. We can play the audio here. Okay, we'll play the audio. Don't play the video here. Here's John Cooper talking. I mean, come on. We took four offensive zone penalties.

Starting point is 00:14:41 Just look at them. I mean, that's not over aggression that was like stupidity in a lot of them so that uh that was on us that was a that was a game that we we just gave them an opportunity to win and this is the stanley cup playoffs this isn't game 62 so that is extremely disappointing in the way we you know listen conducted ourselves in the amount of penalties we took now let's be honest what it would go three for six whatever it was so if you're going to kill penalties off at 50 then you're probably not going to last very long but if you kill penalties off at 50 when you only

Starting point is 00:15:24 give up two so it's one for two you know okay well maybe you can survive but you can't uh you can't let that happen so that's uh that's on us i we there's no excuses uh nothing all right we'll leave it there so that is similar to something he did to the leafs which is yeah sure they won but it's because of we gave them the opportunity we gave them the default we're the better team and what we did he conducts this orchestra guys he's gonna be featured on this show until tampa's out like there is nothing better than a john cooper press conference it's the greatest thing it's must watch television last night like watching that um like if that caden ghouli sequence happened to the leafs i'd be hospitalized like uh he the fact he's never

Starting point is 00:16:19 won a jack adams is malpractice yeah from everyone who covers the sport i don't know who who votes on the jack adams i don't know if it's the writers of the jams or what doesn't matter it's malpractice whoever it is they're wrong if you go to his hockey db page his last award is a an award i don't recognize okay i think college hockey oh cool um he's got cups though he does have cups and yeah like i i don't think he cares but um that no the the game for coaches does not end at final horn and he's so good well that's game two that's the start of game uh-huh uh-huh you're not wrong and so i think you i think you looked a little deep i think he's just saying his team took a bunch of bad penalties.

Starting point is 00:17:03 Well, and they did. And I think he's talking about that Gensel one. Yeah. That was horrible. That's a horrible... Okay, think about... I know it's game one

Starting point is 00:17:11 of the playoffs and the whistles are still a little tighter than they will be, right? Because by game four, game five, that's when we start to see real playoff whistles. Which he said

Starting point is 00:17:18 before the series began. Of course, because there was five PKs they were on or six PKs or whatever they took. That's not going to happen by game five.

Starting point is 00:17:27 But think about last minute of the game, okay? last minute of this game between montreal and tampa that's been so hard fought the electric the crowd is electric it always is at uh it's not amelie arena anymore i was corrected on that i forget what it is now it's it's something else um know that you have to be egregious in that moment to get a ref to call a penalty even in a regular season game that gensel penalty is unacceptable and it's canceled and that loss is on that that's on him that's one of your guys the Tampa has Tampa has Jake Gensel because of his playoff pedigree yes he's incredible and he let

Starting point is 00:18:06 them down yeah he let them down like we you're out there in that moment because you're Jake freaking Gensel and do we think that Jake Gensel is not going to come back and have a great series no but this one's on him no and like he passed up a few shots too and he had a great game in the overtime i'd say martin saint louis should be the star first star of the game because that game turns on him calling that time out yes i think that was the pivotal moment there and if we're talking about coaching like i know you guys want to heap all this praise on john cooper and give him all the awards oh stop me listen to this me in that game deserves the coach of the year award for that time out wow that's unbelievable there jim hiller could never where he's thinking okay

Starting point is 00:18:49 they've been out there for a while these are my stars even though overtime has just started i'm gonna burn this time out so i keep those guys on the ice and they're fresh and then they know that they noted i think it was cut for it on the broadcast where he's like oh he's gonna drop some play he's like no this is just strictly a breather and the guys are still out there and slavkovsky scores if he doesn't call that time out does slav go for a line change because he's been out there for a minute 40 or whatever it is and then he's off the ice but doing that won the game for them yeah genius yeah the lightning and the habs were one for oneing um their top power play units i don't know how much we saw of the second unit for either team also i think martin st louis was in

Starting point is 00:19:30 that position because of the great job kent hughes has done acquiring players for the team boom trumped at the pander camp boom boom no i'm kidding no you're absolutely right you're you're mister i love john cooper over here i don't know what you're talking about it's so funny that steve's doing the canadian series when he hates them you know shouldn't it be you jesse yeah i don't know steve has just told me like his dream drink one with john cooper oh i thought it was i thought it was montreal canadians fans tears i thought that was oh yeah no that's what they'd be drinking at the bar you're all you're all about lane hudson and but you know i'm more focused on the crest on the front boom you love it steve told me once darren radish over lane

Starting point is 00:20:11 wow that's ridiculous he said that like every month i know no that's how he starts every stream this is the darren radish stream that's codswallop poppycock balderdash you mean future leaf darren radish yeah it's steve's favorite player whoa whoa leo leo every every night he comes home he says daddy can i get a darren radish jersey and then steve's like no we need a jake gensel jersey No, we need a good spirit. Caden Gooley. Steve's done this to his kid. He's like, toughen up.

Starting point is 00:20:41 This is how you should be acting on the ice. Toughen up. That is. That's terrible. It's crazy how fully in control of the situation Jake Hensel is. It's Jose Batista level bomb of a whack of a stick right at the dude's neck. It's Jake Fensel. He's just fencing.

Starting point is 00:20:59 There's no reason to do that. It's full two hands at his head. that is it's it's patrick kane losing his cool at the end of the game for detroit yeah sometimes in these moments in hockey games you just you just don't have you turn red you're blind to the moment but you got to be smarter than that but of all guys like this is caden gooley who's relatively new to the i don't even remember if he played last year because he might have but he was not like one of the top guys last year i don't remember but like that's again jake genzel makes all this coin because of his playoff pedigree yeah but it's a game one and remember game ones

Starting point is 00:21:37 are weird they're always weird weird shit happens in all sorts of that's why you never overreact never go oh a series is over no unless it's the abs it's like it's like the first couple weeks of the nhl season when you overreact to it you're you're doing yourself a disservice games still matter but it doesn't tell you anything fully now i want to say that uh the other moment i want to talk about we're not doing this at obviously in sequential order but the josh anderson disallowed goal when he scored it because i didn't see how high it was at the beginning i i kind of thought it was going to count until i saw the replay it was like instantly that's not going to count no but what it was what was crazy i was like you know we said in our c or in our playoff playoff

Starting point is 00:22:13 preview josh anderson shows up for teams exclusively in blue and white it's either tampa or toronto and he almost had to and after the game they talked eric angles i think uh on his on his Sportsnet column was talking about the fact that Slav and Anderson have basically sat together for three years in the dressing room and Slav sort of mentioned how much of an effect Josh Anderson's mentorship

Starting point is 00:22:36 has had on him and you know ultimately they're physically sort of the same guy but but you know I think Slavkovsky is going to be I mean Slav's bigger way better but also way like he's bigger but way better and I think it was cool to see

Starting point is 00:22:52 they're basically they're two big power forwards one of the past year or one of the current era scoring goals yesterday and i have 14 goals all year i know like but he just he does have that thing right he has gears he i what i remember from the 2021 run is i remember him being really poor um and there were several games on that run where he won them on his own one of them there was one one game against vegas i believe i think they won 2-1 and he had both of them um there was a big giveaway from mark andre flurry and i want to say the one game they won against tampa i think that was all him too like he's just one of those players where all anderson's got it josh has got it tonight i tell you what whatever snacks they're feeding him in that part of the dressing

Starting point is 00:23:41 room maybe get a few more absolutely pass three two overtime win yeah vegas montreal that was game three josh anderson had two goals there it is yeah montreal tampa three two overtime win josh anderson had two goals there it is that was game number uh four if i stream it and it's the playoffs i'm not forgetting it he he's a big game performer he rises to the occasion yep and this was a game of moments and the habs could have got super frustrated and pissed and whatever well he did he did but also like didn't the penalty happen right after that too immediately after and it was him and they could have melted and they didn't yeah like i listen i'm a fan of a team that melts in moments like that yes and that was something that decidedly did not go the

Starting point is 00:24:28 way and maybe maybe you would agree that it went that the refs called it by the letter but you said you'd be hospitalized if it had gone that way right like if it happened that call i thought was okay this is this is no no not the not the tap down the the thing the penalty that happened afterwards you know the charging oh oh that and the charging yes yes yes this is something that i think that the these young habs with some veteran pieces remember gallagher's still there anderson's there whatever matheson um they haven't shown any bit of that they haven't shown this ability like you know when their goaltending sucked earlier this season yeah they concede leads but that kind of went away once dobish took over and i think that's what's the scariest part

Starting point is 00:25:11 about that is is that this is not a team that's just going to melt you're going to they're going to be in the game the whole time with you they're going to right up till the end and you tampa has a lot to prove because they got run over by the panthers last year and they got to prove that this is not their new reality they're in the pressure i think is a little bit more on them They're in just pre-COVID Penguins territory where they won those back-to-back cups. Still great in the regular season. Still great in the regular season,

Starting point is 00:25:40 but the seasons went on. They weren't as dominant, and the playoffs arrived, and they were patted on their little bums and sent on their way. I mean, if Tampa is not able to pull off this series, there's a lot of hockey still to go. They're in that category of, oh, are they great anymore? if you pick them to come out of the east no one would blame you no absolutely no one would blame

Starting point is 00:26:04 you um i have montreal in seven feeling pretty good about that after yesterday but like that second period was as bad a period as montreal could have possibly mustered they had they they had the one nothing lead but they only had one shot on goal for something like 15 minutes of the second period um and then tampa cracks them twice in a minute and it looks like they're about to die a slow and painful death over four games it's amazing and uh they got it back on track in a big way jesse anything else to add on that i was really burned by tampa last year because i thought that going to that florida series because of how good they looked in the regular season i know they finished second the atlantic but i thought they were playing really well heading

Starting point is 00:26:49 into the playoffs and i was really confident that they were going to hang with florida and it wouldn't have been a repeat of 23 24 where they lost 4-1 and then last year they lose the series 4-1 and are outclassed by the florida panthers again and steve i think you make a great point that we're in a little bit of it's a it's a post cup era you know this is actually their era post those all those stanley cups but it's a weird place for the lightning to be in not that they're not still a great team making the playoffs consistently every single time they have all these hall of famers on their roster but they haven't won a playoff series since they were in the cup final against the avalanche they lost that series to the leafs and then since then they

Starting point is 00:27:32 win two games combined in two years against the panthers and then now this is going to be a really tough series against montreal and you wonder like okay all of these great talents are we going to see it again how long can we do this are we gonna get another run with these guys and and will headman be back because i had we had been told he was going to be back for the beginning of the playoffs and then now he's not and he's such he's such a huge key to that people are forgetting the prime of victor headman which you could say is the prime of the tampa bay lightning let's go 2015 to 2022 as dominant a defender this league has seen this generation and is he still 80 of that uh even 75 that would be huge he's missed a lot of time played hurt i uh i think he took

Starting point is 00:28:24 some personal time as well uh basically there was that one weird game at the olympics where he was on the bench but didn't play and you gotta start asking questions yeah right that's a they're a great team yep they're a great team we're talking about a world we don't live in yet right they could win the series in five oh yeah right but in the next four games if they lose this series it's 2023 24 25 26 you don't want a playoff series that's a long time for them and let's do the bet mgm big story sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use

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Starting point is 00:30:36 Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. Okay, so listen, yesterday in Buffalo was a party and we talk about moments games. This was another moments game, but the moment that I need to focus on that I need you to look at, if you have not seen this already i got a couple of videos of what happened outside the arena i mean we saw this is crazy this is there's snow and sleet and rain and you know you could see the fans just going absolutely berserk and when they score and win the game look watch this the gate the thing that holds them back it comes down but in true western new york style they pick themselves back up and bring the gate back they bring it that is buffalo and western new york

Starting point is 00:31:21 280 they're lucky no they are but they're also really nice people and i just sorry sorry sorry which i think is just very cool uh and let's let's show the sabers one too because the sabers had an even better angle by the way i looked at this and i was like maple leaf sports could never they could never it could never be this good it used to be but they messed it up they're violently wrecking maple leaf square look at the jurassic park yeah that's awesome dude look they deserve it they deserve this they deserve it i'm sure the the novelty is gonna wear off and i'll hate you soon but not this year not this year no a couple of years when we get tired of you winning yeah there was a rivalry between the leafs and sabers growing up

Starting point is 00:32:09 there isn't now leafs stink you're good uh and like you haven't been there for 14 years there's none like not to be the old but there's there's the saying act like you've been there before yep none of these people have been there before yep look at look at the people in this shot right here what's the oldest any of them were for the last time the sabers were in the playoffs 10 these these people are young yeah there's how many 30 year olds are in that audience not a lot yeah right yep so you're talking high school at the oldest the last time they were there and it was a bad game bad bad bad game until it was the best game they'd ever seen that's what i'm saying it's just it's just incredible now that it's important to note guys that sabers got

Starting point is 00:33:02 booed and oh yeah toronto fans got a lot of shit last year for booing the leafs booing in toronto didn't work uh it made the leafs worse in buffalo it fired them up also it's game one it's game one and they were booing now booing in game one's crazy early boston goal and then they go up to nothing and it sucks the energy out of key bank but tage thompson let's talk about tage thompson all the shots they put on jeremy swayman and that's what beat him that tiddlywinks little soft backhander no look yep crazy he was the first sabers player to score a goal in the playoffs since who oh my god friggin pat laffontaine i don't know jesse do you have a guess vanik vanik great guess vanik correct no it is brad boys oh my god boys assisted by

Starting point is 00:34:02 Derek Roy and Tyler Myers in the dying minutes of the third period Philadelphia eliminating Buffalo. And that was April 26th, 2011. Chris Pronger played in that game. James Van Rynkdijk scored in that game. Claude Giroux assisted.

Starting point is 00:34:21 Danny Breer scored in that game. Mike Richards assisted in that game. Wow. That's that. It's a long, long, long time ago. And I want to talk about stars. And I want to talk about what makes a star and what makes you great. Tage Thompson was undoubtedly, gentlemen, the star yesterday.

Starting point is 00:34:38 No disrespect to Matias Samuelsson, who also scored. But as a Leaf fan who has seen so many games melt away in front of the Bruins, it was nice to see it done the other way. And we talk about one of our biggest problems in Toronto was always when we needed our stars to step up, they wouldn't. Buffalo needed their star to step up. Tage tied it on his own. What else do you want?

Starting point is 00:35:02 what else could you possibly want in the whole wide world that's a that's a performance man can you say and you're going to be able to say this about so many sabers just because they have a bunch of longtime guys there and they've never been there is that the best game of tage thompson's life it's the most impactful right freaking guy got two goals to tie a playoff game and then they wanted at home it's the best game of his life until the next one until the next one yeah i and that's i mean again it's a game one okay but i look at that and i go there's a guy telling everybody i'm i should have been in the playoffs before and i'm gonna take every advantage of being in them now i'm him yeah man that's awesome jesse should we be surprised that a seven footer was dominant

Starting point is 00:35:49 in the playoff game no like he uses that reach to his advantage on that first goal that wraparound that he sneaks by swayman beautiful stuff like he as he said steve he creates that on his own um the second goal too is what what you said he created on his own but like both of them i thought just fantastic individual efforts but this is this is the buffalo sabers hockey they've been playing for since december so we shouldn't really be surprised i was worried that they would have melted in this in this moment because so many guys haven't been there but eventually as the game went along they got back to who they were who they have been over the last couple months and that's a team that can score at will and i was worried if they lost this game that they would

Starting point is 00:36:32 lose the series because you get down you've never been there boston has experience and the sabers never been there they're gonna get defeated and get down but the fact that they're able to get their game together and win that one gives me a lot of hope for like a really deep playoff run here i that i feel like in this game one a lot of could have turned on the series yes you know like this one to me felt like a really big game one and they did it it was really cool on top of the two goals like seven shots for tage which is second only to matt boldy who was absolutely insane in uh in his first game you gotta prove it to yourself a little bit right that you can do it um at this level and you might as well get it out of the way and get rid of any

Starting point is 00:37:21 seed of doubt in game one it's funny to me and let me know if i'm off base because this is definitely how it feels does buffalo not have kind of the mindset that they're the underdog and does boston not kind of have the mindset that they're not necessarily the favorite but they're the team who's been here before i 100 think the sabers are in the nobody believes in us territory of hockey team right you know yeah they're coming into this being like we got something to prove nobody thinks we're going to get this done and boston being the big brad bad bruins and like the crest and what that carries and the sabers breaking this playoff streak it's now we're playing with house money let's go in there and win something right that energy is going to carry

Starting point is 00:38:10 them here far that's why i think it's so important to get that first one and be like okay now we know that we can do this let's keep it going it's a uh it's it's a it's a confidence boost it gives the fans exactly what they were like i'll be honest with you i was watching that as a leaf fan going even when the leafs played the caps and they were this young fun upstart team that had surprised everybody they still would never win well at least never win a game one they never want to get they gave their fans the perfect night i doubt anybody in buffalo's working today nobody's working like this is this is you should expect productivity levels that are like bill's playoffs hey you know mix in a water and bananas yeah that's you know what that's my hangover cure

Starting point is 00:38:52 water and bananas buffalo i believe had 18 comeback wins this year so boston is going to be in a position where they're going to have to like again like with the canadians uh they're going to have to be in it every single minute and I know the Bruins can do that but I think what's at stake here with Boston to a lesser extent than Tampa is the same thing which is do does that Bruins identity with McAvoy and Pasternak and and Lindholm and all these guys still there Zaka's newer to this but you know what I'm talking about does that brand still exist it's gotta worry you that like i don't know if jeremy swayman can give you a much better game than that no he was good he's really good and it wasn't good enough you know do you look at it and like

Starting point is 00:39:39 when was tage's first goal uh it was the third rather i guess the time goal you can still allow the first goal it was 1544 of the third period so you're talking about six seven minutes left yeah man oh boy there's not it's it's the margins are so small but he can't he can't do much better you cannot do much better like if you're boston maybe you got to tell yourself score effects for a factor but otherwise you know yes it's a sabers comeback but if you look at the stats on the whole it's like oh maybe we just kicked their ass right if you look at it statistically after the game what did boston win what where was boston the decidedly better team

Starting point is 00:40:32 by the time it's all said and done buffalo kind of kicked their ass it's just the way the the order that things happened jesse does this change does that third period come back because it is that's what it is right that boston was in control yeah yeah does it change your opinion and i don't even know where you voted on your on your spark here i picked the sabers to win you pick the sabers to win how many games do you remember six i think six or seven does it i'm assuming it doesn't change your thoughts on where this goes then because you already picked the sabers yeah and it should it gives me a little bit more confidence that they can get this done they're the better team like if we were just saying how these two teams have played

Starting point is 00:41:13 this season they are the better team and you're talking about like the comeback victories they've actually been really dominant when they get up in in the games i think they have a nine so they're good at coming back and they're good at dominating you from the beginning they have a 929 win percentage when they're up when they lead at the end of the first period they were winning 26 2 and 0 when leading after the first period this is actually a really good front running team the only team kind of better than in the regular season so they kind of the only team better in the regular season was the abs who are 30 and 0 um 30 0 and 4 wow 30 0 and 4 after when they're leading after the first period which is just craziness but the sabers are right there with

Starting point is 00:41:55 them so like this was your opportunity if you're boston to steal a game because you got off to that early lead and the sabers took it away so if they get up in these games like i this might be a shorter series than we think well maybe we should regroup to like a five gamer if you're marco sturm you are spending the next 48 hours just trying to beat the crap out of that narrative with brass knucks on um your message to your team has to be it's a long series it's so hard to win four games so hard to win four games out of seven man but you got to win four your next six now uh-huh it's hard when you put it in those terms it's like yeah but that's not the message you convey is no no no no i guess not so you're yeah you're right okay but

Starting point is 00:42:43 like shut up nerd they have to no no no it's not about what we have to do it's what they have to do and they have to do it against us and they're not going to be able to do that because we kick ass that's what you got that's the message okay man it's that is a fun series by the way i have sabers going all the way to the finals i think i've got them they've got magic this year there's something about them doesn't have to make sense all the time right uh but in a lot of ways for sabers it does uh a sabers montreal or sabers lightning series is going to be berserk too she does have the same final yeah ab sabers yeah you guys both have this separately from each other too it's not like yeah yeah this year so wonky drew's pissed that i picked the abs he's really

Starting point is 00:43:26 upset because you usually are wrong he texted me immediately he goes you're a piece of shit and i don't like playing this card with drew but i'm his boss and how many of you have ever wanted to text your boss and go you're a piece of shit and just to emphasize it he went you're a piece of shit and then he went piece of shit but like it's such a wonky year for the playoffs to me i'm like i guess i should probably go with the best team that's kind of what i went with there's the president trophy winner that's been the best team all season and then there's the sabers who have been the best team since a certain point yep so i went with those two now you guys have heard our already our very first 100 clutch

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Starting point is 00:44:58 You're in it for something crisp and delicious. Yes. Jesse. Yeah. If you were to give us a quick tease on who your Friday might already be after this weekend, give me a first name. His name starts with the letter E and his last name ends with the shard. He hasn't even played a game yet.

Starting point is 00:45:17 He hasn't even played a game yet, Jesse. I know what I'm angling for. Oh, my goodness. I am shocked that it wasn't L. Oh, no, he's not Canadian. Yeah. Yeah. How dare you?

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Starting point is 00:46:20 He's been a star for them. Major piece for them. Carolina-Ottawa. Sluggish game, as you would expect any Carolina game to be. But, Jesse, what surprised me was after the first sort of 10 minutes where Ottawa sort of dominated the shot counter. There was no shots for Carolina. I started doing the countdown of like,

Starting point is 00:46:40 hey, are we going to get a full period with no shots on goal for Carolina? And then everything turned. The game started exactly the way Ottawa would have wanted it to. The fight off the top I thought was kind of silly, but whatever, you know, do your thing, Brady. Steve, what do you think? What do you mean? What do you think about Brady Kachuk

Starting point is 00:46:56 starting that game with a fight? As a big fan of things Brady Kachuk does, what does Steve Dangle think? I feel like that would have had a bigger impact in Ottawa. Like, if what you're trying to do is set the tone, and like, by the way, you got tuned, right? Like, you're trying to fire up the boys. And you got your ass.

Starting point is 00:47:17 Half conscious. like jordan stall caught him good i've met both those guys on the same day actually and brady kachuk is an enormous human being with i think the biggest head i've ever seen jordan that's saying something when you sit next to me you dude me like all three of us all three of us have absolutely no sense lollipops but yes uh pumpkin on a toothpick yeah it's it's yes yeah um jordan stall is he big i've never met him yeah neither am i he he's grunt like he is absolutely juiced that guy's jacked and to be caught with a jordan stall punch i imagine is a bad time now can i throw this out there not to be disrespectful to jordan stall

Starting point is 00:48:08 that's a really really good trade for the carolina hurricane i thought that exact thing and i'm sure jesse said it on the stream like that's excellent you take brady kachuk out of the first five minutes of action he was drafted in what 2006 yeah he was not sid he won the playoff he won sid's first cup with him yeah sid's first cup yes in 08 that's a really really good trade for the sends this isn't the for the canes not the sense sorry the sense the sense don't like that trait the cane oh yeah my bad yeah sorry the opposite yeah um yeah like brady kachuk is uh a star like to me it it almost indicates like i can't be as effective as i need to be so i'm gonna fight you think he was hurt i don't know if you're hurt well he was hurt he was definitely hurt

Starting point is 00:49:00 after the fight yeah i mean he looked over at the bench and was like and again i don't sense fans are going to accuse me of hating here but he looked over he's like come on boys and i'm like that fight would i mean it's it's always you got adrenaline inducing but when you get tuned up on the road yeah i know the sense came out and played a good first 10 minutes and maybe that had something so maybe it worked but maybe i'm being a nerd i i i just is kind of like ah i don't hate i don't hate that he tried though i don't hate that he tried i don't hate the idea but i'm like jordan stall like that's and also it's in their let nick cousins go after jordan stall well if i'm jordan stall i don't do that but like like what i'm what i'm saying is it's

Starting point is 00:49:42 in their barn yep yeah i don't know i don't i don't know i don't i don't know me if he kicks his ass i feel totally different about it that's the thing about all right we're gonna fight off the opening draw you gotta win he didn't i thought it was a bit of a miscalculation by him to take himself out of the game for the start of the game yeah he didn't play until his shift came six minutes into the period so 14 something it's like 14 58 i think it is that's your captain that's too much time six minutes off the top of the game to not have brady kachuk available for the Sens is a little you shouldn't do that to yourself no I want you out there hitting Shane Goss despair six times in the first three shifts like I I don't know and like over a seven game

Starting point is 00:50:32 series that's just a better use of your energy and you still get to be big scary manly man and impose your will and I don't I don't know I feel totally differently about it if he completely can you imagine he knocks out jordan stall center ice to start the series in carolina sure i maybe it's just a calculated risk and it didn't work but in that case he's still not in the game he's yeah but and jordan neither is jordan sure but like you can like who knows how long you're gonna get that whistle for imagine like the five minute passes and then there's just no whistle for another five minutes yep and you spend the half of the first period of a playoff game without one of your top line players that'd be funny that'd be ridiculous there's just no whistle it's just

Starting point is 00:51:16 13 minutes in and aho's just sticking around with the puck it happens you know whistles you can have long times in between whistles jesse i i want to know what happened after what on a minute 10 you know the sends have hold the canes to zero shots and i'm like and i'm feeling good because i have the sends winning this series so maybe it worked and it worked but but it didn't work the whole game no and what i was really surprised by and maybe you could tell me about this is that i said for the sense to win this series they've got to physically impose themselves on carolina that is when carolina loses when they get physically imposed on people can talk about game-breaking talent uh frustrated yeah but you look at their their series against florida last

Starting point is 00:51:57 year and the series against florida two three years ago now however long it was where brandon moore's like it felt like it was longer series or whatever i'm like that's because the panthers are pain why did why were the senators unable to do that it was great team defense by carolina is where things started because the Sens were unable to transition through the neutral zone and set up anything offensively like there was zero sustained zone time for them outside of the power play opportunities and even then on the power play they were they were kind of disastrous so Carolina fantastic team defense they're not allowing Ottawa to do anything off the rush not able to do anything dump and chase and then that leads to just Carolina Hurricanes hockey where it's they're

Starting point is 00:52:40 coming back the other way they'll do a bunch of it'll be a lot of low event or low danger shots on goal but they just need a couple to get through and stankoven gets one and they get the other one on the nikishan shot and then scramble in front and that's all they kind of need and uh from julian mckenzie i was shocked by this the sends line of cousins pinto amadio recorded and expected goals for a percentage of zero percent tonight according to moneypuck.com pinto was so eye opening to me in the leaf series last year um amadio has been i think a really effective player since getting waved by the damn leaves and nick cousins uh too like that's a rat bastard nothing you hadn't expected goals for of nothing and that's the biggest surprise of the game i can't

Starting point is 00:53:28 believe it's taken us this long they started freddie anderson who was the star and the man got a shutout yeah freddie anderson was unbelievable that game he made every big safe he needed to make the one off the line was crazy that should have been a goal 10 times out of 10 he makes that safe and it's all because of the way carolina plays hockey like they're playing it so it's easy on freddie and then he executed when he needed to execute as a team as a whole i don't think any team had a more impressive showing over the course of the weekend in terms of playing their game solidly minnesota just dominated just they put up a bunch of goals but if you're talking about a team that played perfectly structured hockey from that 10 minutes

Starting point is 00:54:13 onwards they look so darn impressive carolina did and that's how they looked all season and the question with carolina is like okay when is this thing gonna fail once you reach the conference final and these early rounds they always seem to play their games and they did it here at some point like Ottawa's just got too much talent it feels like they're gonna they're gonna take the leap that's a tough team to take it against Jesse who do you if they are if Ottawa's gonna have a better game too what do they need to do they I I thought they should have tried to play a little bit more run and gun and get chances off of the rush because getting into the zone and thinking hey we're just gonna we're just gonna sit here and have a couple shots on goal we're gonna as

Starting point is 00:54:54 soon as we shoot it we're going to regroup and get it back up to the point that's not going to happen versus carolina they have too many good guys who can go retrieve the puck in the corners and get out of the zone not allow you to do anything so you're going to have to score just off of the opportunities that you have the brief the brief rushes that you'll have up the ice you're going to have to score like that quickly it'll be one or two shots and that's it and you got to capitalize on those opportunities so it's you got to think about the guys on their team who can work with speed through the neutral zone and that's how you're gonna win this game because the goals are gonna be tough and how do you make your speed more effective if you absolutely

Starting point is 00:55:29 exhaust your opponent and that's where the after whistle work comes into play boys you gotta that has to be a factor you've got it you got to get in there and and do what the panthers did right you've got you've got to be mean you've got to be brutal and you've got a kachuk brother a former panther as well in nick cousins you got guys who can lead the charge on that ridley greg is a bastard oh yeah well and like if you're gonna have can't do that if you're gonna have a zero expected goals for percentage you better be doing other shit and there it was bad now let me let me throw this at you uh lenis olmark's playoff history has been spotty to say the least 860 in 2122 save percentage in two games six games in 2223 the infamous collapse

Starting point is 00:56:12 against the panthers 896 save percentage there 23 24 with the bruins he played two games 886 save percentage last year uh for against the leafs in six games which he started all of them for 880 save percentage and this game has to be the best game of lenis allmark's playoff career i thought he was great he had he had one pretty good one against the leafs i guess that would have been game five i'm not too familiar with his history of every game to make that but i just think i think he was spectacular this is the problem jesse it's 60 well heading into this game it's 16 games and yeah it's a small sample size well when you're not good in the playoffs your sample size is usually i'm just saying like my brain i don't know about your brain i remember

Starting point is 00:56:55 like two of those 16 yeah yeah i can't i can't well i guess my point is that like lenis that's a positive yes and he's been great the last couple of months no no goal that game the two goals they scored was his fault right it was it was a shot by Nikitian that rides up it's and then the Sens lose the puck battle in front because there's two guys there who bang at home and then the other one's a really tricky nice play by Jackson Blake to do a little drop pass that fools him and Stankoven buries it you know because Walmart's a little caught off guard by that and that's just a really good offensive play I'm not putting that game on him at all you can't you're you can't stop every puck if your team even if you stop every puck and your team doesn't score you're

Starting point is 00:57:40 not going to win you can't win the game zero zero your team has to score yeah so i don't know ottawa needs offense here that's the thing and all mark to his credit had a good performance and that's the performances they were looking for early on when they weren't getting goaltending and now they're getting it and they're going up against a good team and now it's the other pieces that they need to get together freddie anderson might be the most unpredictable goalie in the league like freddie freddie yeah he might be like i'm not adam isn't buying it no by the way well i'm not surprised he got a shutout no well that one if he didn't get a shutout then that's on freddie but they the carolina made it very easy on freddie and he did his job it was a

Starting point is 00:58:18 combination right yeah i'm sorry i listen i did his job i had a i had a debate with cj in our in our group chat because cj happens to think freddie's a great playoff goalie and i think i think i think uh i think the team in front of them is great i i am not i you just got right there freddie anderson one night is great the next night is awful and wow that is that's freddie anderson throughout his entire career in the playoffs regular season success he is a bit of a band-aid lately but he's older now that happens i don't have it's not that i don't believe in freddie anderson's talent i don't believe in freddie anderson's consistency and you can go and you can look at all of that.

Starting point is 00:58:57 People will go and they'll go on Hockey TV or whatever and they're going to go and look at his save percentages throughout the years. Yeah, because he plays for Carolina, the best defensive team in the league or top three year in and year out. You should know this. He was a world beater with the Ducks.

Starting point is 00:59:13 In the playoffs. Yeah, he was good with the Ducks. And then, hilariously, when it gets into games that matter, he had three losses against the Panthers last year, 15 goals allowed. Damn. That's a lot. In the playoffs.

Starting point is 00:59:27 Not each. Not each. My point is when you're averaging in big game, when you're averaging five goals against, that is not good. And I think people are always talking about, oh man, Carolina needs a game-breaking forward. And Carolina thinks that too.

Starting point is 00:59:41 Like the Mikko Rantanen trade, the Gensel trade. Oh, they went out and got Ehlers. Yeah. Well, I don't think they got Ehlers to be Mikko Rantanen though. I think he just fits their size. No, but he was the best winger available.

Starting point is 00:59:52 And not a game-breaking talent. I'm talking about Connor McDavid. He was at a good game. Yeah, but I'm talking about Connor McDavid as a game-breaking talent. There's a tier of players above him. And they don't have anybody in that tier. And that's okay.

Starting point is 01:00:03 To me, they don't need to get that guy. The rest of the team's fine. They need the goalie. That's what they can get. You would have started Brandon Bussey. Absolutely. Even though Frederick Anderson had a shutout and made an unbelievable save.

Starting point is 01:00:16 With the power of hindsight. An unbelievable save against a team that had a zero expected goal. there wasn't a lot for him to do but when there was he stepped up to the plate and and you know what that's great that's what you're paid to do we'll see what happens over the course of the season he did his job and he did it well right and and my thing with freddie anderson is not does he do his job well it's does he do his job well consistently all right what are your that's always expectation tonight tonight because a lot of people are going to be hearing this

Starting point is 01:00:44 probably like mid-game or like just before the game anderson's 40 saves deep oh i'm gonna get i'm gonna get shit on i know that i know that uh i don't know that ottawa's gonna be able to put up those kinds yeah because like i just don't know you're saying 40 shots deep carolina hurricanes hockey 18 shots the ottawa senators had the leafs thing going on where even when you're down you can't get the score effects going because the defense of hurricanes is so good that sends end up with 22 shots hurricanes have 29 that's a game where the sends are trailing all game they should have more shots they should be able to pepper shots at anderson but they just can't they famously won a game with a random man in that when when florida beat them in

Starting point is 01:01:23 in 22 23 literally yeah and when florida beat them in the in the in the uh conference finals in 22 23 obviously they were regularly outshot the panthers regularly outshot by carolina okay but the what people forget about that run is the panthers were regularly outshot the entire run and it wasn't just brobrovsky although he was phenomenal this is 23 this is 23 yeah what the Panthers were unbelievable at was how opportunistic they were. They, when they had an opportunity, they fucking buried it.

Starting point is 01:01:56 And, you know, we talk about how tough the Panthers were in the playoffs and how mean, bullying, and all that's true. But nobody for their two Stanley Cup wins, really, maybe outside of their fans, gave them enough credit for, is this the moment to score? Then I'm scoring.

Starting point is 01:02:11 They always buried it. And I think the way the Senators are going to get back in this series and get past these guys is they're going to have to be efficient they're going to have to be opportunistic there's no firing a shot wide how many times we see Nylander Marner Matthews do that you need to be laser when you get an opportunity against the end you know that you've got a goalie and Freddie if he starts tonight that you can get inside his head you get him off his game early and you can take advantage

Starting point is 01:02:37 crash the net absolutely and here let me let me throw this out let's say the series goes seven okay how many goalies does carolina use oh two two hundred percent i think it might be three you think i can see it being three you get to check off it if he's healthy i don't think they care listen i'm i'm pro running three goalies so i i would love to see it in one series yeah why the fuck not win the series just the series the physical narrative just to touch on that for briefly carolina needs to be more physical blah blah blah they out hit ottawa in that game 57 to 39 which is crazy because they had the puck the whole time too exactly they're crazy carolina if they want to get in there and smash bodies they can do it they're more like tampa than

Starting point is 01:03:28 they get credit for um if that makes sense like tampa is this highly skilled skating puck moving team but like they're bastards and what happened to the florida panthers is they used to be that team tampa broke them broke their brains and turned them into these demons is carolina gonna finally encounter what we kept begging the leafs to do uh and failing are is is this their broken run is is this their run where they turn heel and they just go nuts on you could be be great be great to watch steve i got a question for you yeah is it feeling summery in here to you it is it does kind of feel summery and smells like gorgeous man really yeah that's the you know what it must be jesse blake in his chubby yeah it's it's not the gorgeous man it's the

Starting point is 01:04:28 gorgeous shirt i'm wearing right midman gorgeous shirt got it got it and listen chubbies not only does it put you in a dangerously good mood look at jesse look at him oh i'm relaxed i feel poolside right now uh but they also have some of the best shorts out there yeah crazy shorts and some great beachwear too i don't think i could pull that off the way you pull that off no i'm doing it how you should no shirt underneath absolutely heavens no no i know some guys they like to throw the tank on underneath but this thing needs to breathe almost feels like a crime that you're sitting upright you should be on a lounger i wish engineered with four-way stretch fabric that handles swimming laps as well as it handles lounging poolside they fit uh for your legs

Starting point is 01:05:12 and for your arms and for your torso like nothing you've ever had before chubby trunks are great especially i like the lined ones they got lined ones they're awesome yeah because nobody wants i always feel weird about unlined swimming yes because i'm like do i want to wear my underwear not really uh do i want to go you know underwear list well not really because there's children you should give us more details yeah no i just i just i'm grateful that chubby still believes in lined bathing suits okay that went away for a while it was very strange chubbies celebrating 15 years the original shorts that redefine proper length shorts are back same iconic fit same design first comfort and easygoing vibe that built the brand in the first place and for a limited time because

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Starting point is 01:06:47 uh last night the utah mammoth kind of showed their youth got up early and blew it and blew it against a very experienced tough golden knights team that looks really fucking good i don't think carter hart has lost a game under tortorella uh he's been uh so what did you guys take away from this game because i felt like man this is a this is a jesse go ahead i just ended the last thing talking about the hits um vegas recognized that the playoff games that you play in this part of the year are different than all of the regular season games they had 52 hits last night that is their most amount of hits in a game in two years this is vegas or utah vegas did oh okay wow they they entered that game knowing that we're not going to play the same hockey we just

Starting point is 01:07:34 played for the last 82 games we're going to play playoff style hockey and i think it was barbachev in his post game who just frankly said it point he's wrecking we're gonna do this thing where we're gonna play a different style of hockey and i thought mark stone's game was fantastic i mean like that's a guy who's had an underrated regular season one of the best of his career one of his best highlights of the game he didn't score and it didn't register as a shot on goal he just walked into the zone i think it was in the second period slap shot off the post yeah and like the scoring they got from the bottom of their lineup like ridiculous and then like john tordo lows up the top line i thought marner was going to start on the second line he decides to go uh i call marner

Starting point is 01:08:17 like credit to him he does it load it up as the playoffs go for it and it doesn't matter because all four lines for vegas were cooking it was a really good game by the i listen utah's a good team they're an exciting team i had a real hard time before the playoffs began picking them in the series after game one i have a harder time it's vegas it's just pure disrespect to not pick them what is utah showed you over the course of an entire season that makes you go despite vegas's experience and top end skill i'm picking this team i'll tell you they if if utah plays their game by the way cooley was running around last night did you see nick dowd saying i'm going to kill you it was a lot of fun yeah he was great and also

Starting point is 01:09:08 sean dersey let's play a fun game called five thousand dollar fine or six game suspension yeah because because he's a noted alan wall he's an alan walsh client and they freaking hate him yeah yeah you can't headbutt guys you can't you can't yeah now i isn't it like a major penalty too it can catch you doing it on purpose i don't know how they didn't catch it yeah like but i back to back to where the disrespect comes from i think a lot of people see utah as the big next up-and-comer like in three years they could be what dallas and colorado are that's a long time and i think i know but but it's at a certain point it has to happen yeah and you look at vegas on the whole and i know honestly sometimes the playoffs it's just you get hot at the right

Starting point is 01:09:52 time and vegas are hot they're red hot oh yeah one of the division when they shouldn't have like it's amazing what they've done but you look at this and you go they can skate vegas into the earth i know marner's on that team fast they're fast they're mean and they seem to have everybody together and healthy if you can and their goaltending has been more consistent all season long i thought vomelka looked good you got to be um you got to have a belief and you got to take one in vegas you're the road team you're not going to win this series if you don't win one in vegas if you can take game two that helps flip the script on you and you get wishy-washy guys like me to be like maybe they can do it but you know after watching one game i'm like it is one game

Starting point is 01:10:37 i'm feeling pretty good about vegas shout out uh jesse granger in the athletic where i got that stat about their 52 hits most in two years and it was barbachev who said it's hard to play like that for 82 games when the playoffs come i think it matters and when they won the cup was he not the guy yeah they were unbelievable like that's something that's so underrated just guys who know how to play playoff style hockey and bang bodies and against a inexperienced team like utah you can take advantage of them in that place yeah it was so again it's one game we'll see but it was so hard to believe what was going on with vegas like to me vegas and edmonton should be treated roughly the same but edmonton got a little bit more of a pass like yeah well it's regular season

Starting point is 01:11:24 i mean it's vegas do you remember when florida took off the last three months of last year's regular season they were awful they were so bad that's why i think i picked campus yeah me too because again like so we we just did our previews like not even a week ago and you're looking on paper and you're like well and there's a reason why when i shoot those videos i don't like doing preview videos no me too because i'm looking at the evidence and pleading with myself i'm like pleading with the evidence going please show me something different last year yeah the panthers were bad but they understood we can kind of coast this thing we have the third place in the atlantic locked up we're gonna play tampa we can just kind of cruise one of our guys will take a bunch of pds

Starting point is 01:12:10 and get suspended and we'll be fine. And he'll be come back for the play. And then he'll be rested and ready and maybe he can take some more PDs

Starting point is 01:12:17 and then get suspended immediately. And it's like two games and then playoffs are all around. We'll play our peak hockey. Yep. Like that's that's how

Starting point is 01:12:26 they that's the mentality they went with. Yep. And like Vegas is the same thing. Yeah. We can cruise. Listen, if they do

Starting point is 01:12:34 lose to Utah, they're in trouble. Oh, game one's all overreaction. Like they could lose the next four games. Who cares? Throw everything

Starting point is 01:12:40 we set out the window they absolutely could um you know maybe utah was experiencing what the sabers were experiencing but uh they wilted instead of finding a way through like just two teams who they haven't been there outside of sergachev who has like 400 games of playoff 20 cups yeah like yeah it's insane yeah he's actually a 50 year old man um but uh it's it's vegas like uh i i don't know how you don't pick them yeah marner eichel all the stars look good stone i already mentioned look good and then yeah def scoring like what are you gonna do in that instance uh lose yeah but like then give up give up three goals in the third yeah so we'll see if they can bounce back but i don't know i'm taking i'm taking vegas after that game one

Starting point is 01:13:27 i i like the idea that like you know series are long maybe they'll they'll be fresh um maybe their speed becomes more of a factor the longer the series goes but you're in tough man um tough ultimate series not to overreact to dallas and minnesota absolutely wild first game but to me it's like yeah i know rupe is not playing and i still pick minnesota to win but i i will not overreact to this game i refuse six to one minnesota there's no way that doesn't happen i feel pretty not good about my dallas and seven pick but it's game one steve and i'm the one who picked minnesota yeah but it's time to overreact oh yeah all right that's what we're doing go ahead what am i holding boldy was dallas is a complete monster yeah dallas sucks might as well be the

Starting point is 01:14:14 canada the dallas leaves what are they the green leaves what is the spit soup um uh hayden was like you guys didn't even mention matt boldy in your video i was like listen i hate previews i hate it because you only have so much time and then you're like i forgot shit you can't mention everybody did we get amico ranton and mention in there like sometimes things are probably not yeah like i don't i don't know i don't remember but he leads the stanley cup playoffs and shots amazing after one game uh with eight uh yakov trennan i haven't looked i assume he leads the league and hits with 13 yep completely under they ran them over thomas harley was run right over yep pancaked in his own building like listen leafs beat tampa five nothing in game one of their series in 2022

Starting point is 01:15:08 didn't help yep they lost um but pretty good looking for minnesota now i did say this in my bracket video i have so i have colorado beating the kings which i feel less need to justify yeah but um i have colorado beating whoever comes out of the series and the reason for that is i'm building a bracket and if i have one of dallas or minnesota coming out of the west it's gonna ruin my entire bracket right and so i had dallas winning the series if i'm wrong i gotta have whoever plays colorado lose or my whole brackets yard sale and if colorado loses then i i'd lose and i don't think they're gonna colorado yeah i mean that that game that la game that might be the closest la gets like i am i was like mad it was only two one yeah

Starting point is 01:16:02 yeah i think that's what i'm saying that score is a little bit of a misnomer with that dallas game or not dallas game colorado game still on the minnesota part though my favorite thing to come out of the minnesota playoff uh start here is this guy named jonathan hayden sent this through because hayden needs us to recognize jonathan one he's got a quinnisota wild shirt already a beauty love it fantastic he runs his ceo of some company called like fan maker they they collab with nhl teams and other pro sports teams to recognize fans and have like loyalty programs and everything blah blah blah but jonathan made the most ridiculous purchase of all time because in minnesota their arena used to be called the xl energy center now it's the grand casino

Starting point is 01:16:49 Tourism, whatever, blah, blah, blah Bad name Jonathan decided to buy the X From the old XL Energy Center And he put it in His front yard Everyone's always asking me, what are you going to do with the X?

Starting point is 01:17:05 So first off, I thought I'll put it in my front yard for the playoffs Give the boys some extra luck Hopefully, and then Every time they score, something cool is going to happen No No yo this is what we need to be doing fire why is there fire when aiden said this to me

Starting point is 01:17:28 one of my first questions was what does this man's partner think i don't know if he has a wife or girlfriend or whatever is going on there what is the local fire department he better watch all the games from home how does he have an ex in his front lawn that blasts every time they score charcoal what does his neighbors think how is this happening this is like the seinfeld episode with the light outside of kramer's apartment it's it's like seven feet tall did you see him yes he's standing next to it that's like eight feet man i don't know how tall this man is maybe he's like five eight like it's at least six something what does the hoa think that's what i need to know you know the homeowners association they were like excuse me you can't uh your grass

Starting point is 01:18:12 must be less than five gives a damn how do you just put x on your lawn dude this is why this is how we ought to be spending our money like what he's doing oh uh you know i listen i am i i feel i feel like he's quite a bit more successful than we are if he's buying the x and xl energy but if i ever attain that type of success i would love to do that i would love to just one day my wife comes home and uh just on her front lawn is the three giant pillar thingies from maple leaf square yeah that is so bright it's not it's not the smoke machine it's not the brightness it's not the horns or the fire it's the fire the fire too i can't believe how did he get like local law enforcement to approve this he did jesse i don't think he asked did he call the fire

Starting point is 01:19:05 department and tell them that he has fire in his front lawn. Yeah, every time this happens, I'm blowing off a canister. No big deal. What a guy. How much did the X cost? That's all I want to know. I think they auctioned it off and he's the one who won. Let me look up

Starting point is 01:19:21 and see. I would love to know. How much he paid for it. I'm looking it up. Should be noted, the rest of the house looks nice. Yeah, I know. He's got a nice house. He's got enough lawn to put. $21,000 March 1st of this year. There you go. Yeah. 21 000 american dollars that's right yeah okay so 75 000 no that is uh yeah yeah yeah that's

Starting point is 01:19:45 that's why i want to mention just he runs a company he's got money and this is what he chooses to play with it what's his name what's jonathan deucing okay look up jonathan deucing height we got it we gotta get to the bottom we gotta get to the bottom of this i don't know if they'll have that he was on shark tank once was he really in 2023 he's this he also founded this other company called snow in seconds and he was on shark tank interesting does he also own fire in seconds he does does he own fire extinguishers in seconds uh i think snow in seconds is exactly what it says it makes snow in seconds for your phone none of us could possibly know what it means synthetic polymer snow cool yeah anyways i don't get this guy he's doing stuff i love this

Starting point is 01:20:35 guy honestly that's the kind of fan we need hell yeah that's awesome now twenty thousand dollars for the x we've been talking about the toyota tacoma and i want to say that i feel like the toyota tacoma matches how the first few games of these playoffs went don't you say oh a lot of Truculent? Oh, Truculent, stop. Oh, that's good. Ooh, hiss, but also really good. Yeah, Jesse, you got one for us?

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Starting point is 01:22:41 adopters but that's okay that's okay there are players who so many this year we're getting to see in the playoffs for the first time owen tippett holy shit connor doer r.i.p yeah he had him lined up he could have changed the course of the series with how much he had owen tippett lined up and tippet just went little boy just knocked him on his ass and yo listen we've been talking about in our season previews like way back in in september october we put those out one of the things we were talking about steve was like the flyers brand broad street bullies where is that that and i know tippet's not the biggest guy right he's not he's not he's decently big okay but decently big or the biggest guy i just said i know he's not the big i know he's not

Starting point is 01:23:31 Brennan so he's not literally he's not Curtis Douglas yeah it's like like Steve are we splitting hairs over Owen Tippett size or is he half sized NHL player but he played what's his exact weight that is that is Philadelphia Flyers hockey oh yeah that is the brand

Starting point is 01:23:47 that's what what that's what I knew you know what I was told about from the 70s what I saw in the late 90s early 2000s I hated playing against that's these guys yeah and that I loved that I loved that someone who can i know like stewart skinner and people are lighting him up um that martin martone shot

Starting point is 01:24:07 i don't know i don't know who's stopping that that's by the way owen tippett's six feet tall is he really 601 yeah oh i thought he was six three okay he's not so he's not so i was right so i was right yeah anyway i i'm i i they okay again are you really worried or is this just the because it is the first game of the of the of the playoffs and these are the pittsburgh penguins and on the other side is sydney crosby and it was three to two can i hand in my passport for a second can you hand in your passport yeah i gotta i gotta give it up oh sydney crosby had a bad game he did and the slashing penalty he took on travis and i'm at the end of that game yeah was stupid and ugly like why why is sydney crosby one of the greatest canadian heroes we have

Starting point is 01:24:56 one of the legends of the game because he's a dog in the big ballot hall of famer oh one of the all-time greatest players taking a dumb penalty when you're still i think they were down i think it was 3-1 at that point i don't think that second goal that they scored had happened yet if i remember correctly and there's still a chance you know they scored the late one why are you taking that penalty jesse sorry i just got a text message from mark carney it says delete that shit how is i don't think you're allowed to say that how is sydney crosby letting travis sanheim get in his head with a couple crosschecks because the there was back in the day sydney crosby used to be called a whiner and there was some truth to that in fact there was a lot of truth to that he wouldn't

Starting point is 01:25:43 shut up early on in his career and i still think that every once in a while you see that switch go off where he's like i'm gonna lose my mind now philly does do things to him it does they absolutely does the orange things to him and and we yeah he doesn't see red he sees orange um darian hatcher breaking his teeth oh yes and the glove incident which is such a funny clip but it's from freaking 2012 where uh someone's glove is on the ice and he pokes it away just to be a dick and they asked him about it and he's like i don't like him what don't you like about it i don't like him i don't like any guy on their team you you need better out of your captain just for so i i looked up just to see the timeline of what happened because it did happen 48 hours ago i'm trying to remember

Starting point is 01:26:28 so it was sydney crosby and travis einheim they're fighting about two minutes left to go they take the he gets him go to him into that penalty crosby's now in the box and i'm in the box coincidental the minors the penguins then score eight seconds left there and they have because crosby's leadership because crosby's leadership getting thrown in the box and now there's another minute where you can score the game tying goal and sydney crosby is in the penalty box now devil's advocate devil's advocate sanheim's in the box too yes that's the best i can do but that's your that's the brady kachuk conversation that's your trade and i'll tell you i think the flyers take it i think they take that too because they won the game and gino mean gene had a great

Starting point is 01:27:16 game goal and an assist look like himself looked healthy and good and i don't know i i feel like we need sid to i thought are we asking are you asking sidney crosby to raise his game i thought malkin was just okay i thought everybody on the penguins was just okay carlson did say they got outplayed the whole yeah i think carlson was was very honest in his post game um the reading that I think it's Josh Yohe was writing up about the Carlson's post game because he was talking about how they were a little nervous, which is weird. Like for for all of the we're going back to Hall of Famers and Hall of Fame pedigree. There's so many great players in this playoffs. It's so much fun to watch.

Starting point is 01:27:50 The Penguins have the most out of anybody. And they're going in this game where Chris Letang doesn't look great. Carlson has a weird game. Malkin, he scores, but he doesn't look the greatest. And Crosby's taking bad penalties like Pittsburgh was really thrown off that whole game. Credit to Philly. so you know there's obviously the uh i just got here jitters or first time jitters in the playoffs then there's i've been here before but then there's a part that we never talk about i never

Starting point is 01:28:18 be i i i may never be here i never be here i never be here i don't know why my mouth betrayed me like that i may never be here again yeah and we already know the penguins thought that about themselves heading into 2016 which is hilarious but you know you win in 2009 they don't get particularly close they made it to the conference final 2013 you get swept right you might never be back you end up in the Stanley Cup final 2016 no one picks you famously um I believe it was ESPN all their experts I can't remember how many it was every single one of them picked the Sharks yep then you win it again the next year but what has happened since you haven't done a thing i think you've won one playoff series in 2018 i don't remember 2019 it's not been much there's a

Starting point is 01:29:11 pressure there like crosby's way up there carlson's way up there mulligan's way up there there's an element of i can't waste this and sometimes it can lead you to wasting it who's that outdoor guy he's kind of nerdy but he freezes his ass off in alaska he's got the glasses oh he stopped doing videos recently yeah i forgot people really like his name but he's going down this mountain i thought you were talking about the pea drinking guy no bear grill no i we've we've evolved past that yeah we don't need crazy dude who drinks his piss we just need wholesome man who tries to find like solace in nature solace in nature and uh likes eating jerky by himself and soup um but he's going down this mountain and he's like slow is fast fast is slow slow is fast

Starting point is 01:30:01 fast is slow right you ever rush through something and you're just making it take longer because you're bumbling and screwing it up right i mean it's sydney crosby i would never accuse him of being nervous in the moment i'm not going to do it but there are a lot of guys on this team this might be their last kick at the can here nervous might be the wrong word to describe it but it's the same result yes i think is is where i'm kind of anxious jitters is fine jitters is fair anxious you can still you could listen we're old too we still get jitters before live shows and stuff absolutely it happens yeah so yeah but game two i'm thinking i'm thinking they'll settle here's a little eric carlson postgame don't we reassess tomorrow go through it i'm sure uh we get smart

Starting point is 01:30:48 people behind the bench and smart people in this room and you know we're we're we're already excited for game two we knew that we weren't gonna win every game so we just got to move on we get an experienced group in here that's you know lost many playoff games and won even more did they play how you expected they played a good game I think they just they played better than us today from start to finish that's the way this sometimes it's unfortunate you know Obviously, you want to get off to a good start, but you don't win a series on game one. We know that we got a lot better in here, and we got to focus on ourselves

Starting point is 01:31:26 and fight a way to get back to what made us successful throughout the year. It's the same game out there. A little bit more intensity maybe, but still the same game, and we know how it's played, and now we just got to get back to that. Eric, did you guys need to simplify a little bit there? Did you get maybe caught in the neutral zone tonight? Yeah, I just don't think that, you know, the execution wasn't really what we were hoping for. You know, we didn't really set out to do what we needed to do on our game plan.

Starting point is 01:31:56 We turned too many pucks over in the wrong spot. And, you know, we made it hard on ourselves. It was a hard game for us out there. And we only have ourselves to blame. He sounds calm. Oh, yeah. I think it's very insightful that he's talking about the execution of the team and like what they have to execute. it's strange to think that a team with crosby and malkin and carlson and letang can't execute

Starting point is 01:32:20 well that's crazy there's a team on the other end of the ice that's pretty well coached exactly they're trying to screw you up yeah and i also just find it amazing that that video is sponsored by fedex and not dentine ice everybody was many feet away from carlson because i could smell his breath so eric what do you think just that pre that pre-game meal man i'd stuck with me all weekend so this is called uh onion fuckery and i have it before every meal um you know we talked about a few games today that were real moments games where the game hinges on a moment after that moment the game went a different direction than it was going before there's moments like that when you run a business and one of them is your online presence and one of them for us

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Starting point is 01:35:26 for all the bad pickups ken holland has made panarin looks like it was an ace in the hole like unbelievable well done i mean you identified a team that has no leverage whatsoever and you got an incredible player and you got them for two years extra uh-huh you know they signed with that extension it's reasonable like pretty cool it's a great deal um i have to say i i do think that and i think a lot of people are like this this feels like a very i mean it's a 1-8 series anyway in terms of seating but this feels like a a series colorado ought to win easily that wasn't a 2-1 game it wasn't a 2-1 game no and i think um the one part that i was really surprised by and maybe part of this is down to like a guy like scott lawton onze kopitar is also great at this too

Starting point is 01:36:11 face-off wins were decidedly in la's favor but i can't imagine with the center depth that colorado has that that lasts listen it's face-offs are important like that was that was a big factor in the in the montreal tampa game yes actually a team a game that had razor thin margins montreal kind of kicked their ass in that category the top face-off team in the league this year was the leafs yeah it's not the be all and end all right it's great it's helpful but at the end of the day um there's a that's the beginning of the shift there's kind of a lot of hockey after the face off you got to do a little bit better exactly um so i don't know if there was anything you guys wanted to add to that in terms of i mean it was obviously leckanen of course is the first one to

Starting point is 01:36:57 score uh drew always says he he's the most disrespected uh of the colorado players he's also very like he's clutch right yes um long history of it he very notably scored a playoff series winning goal and i called him the wrong name nick wah don't worry we're not gonna give you shit for that it's okay we've all made bad calls we've all made bad calls nick wah i can tell you've never thought about it you just brought it up yeah people bring it up to me all the time that's mean uh i don't know people were in the shower just going ah when it comes into your mind people were getting on leah hextall because she i think she forgot or whatever that tage thompson also played for the st louis blues and i'm like i can't i personally can't imagine

Starting point is 01:37:43 ever making a mistake in front of a live audience i i can't personally relate listen uh i'm not always the greatest with every name but at least i can i can verify that all three of us knew who the starter for buffalo was and all three of his names did you see that on espn um i want to talk i i want to talk about this colorado very quickly and then i want to move to the leafs and in in Canucks GM searches for this Colorado series to not go Colorado's way for LA to take a to jump in and surprise everybody here because I know Kings fans are like, listen, we get it, but we're really sick of hearing about the Colorado Avalanche. It still feels like Colorado would have to play bad. Like, I don't know that any of this series is in LA's control. Does that make

Starting point is 01:38:33 sense if yeah is it is it if if la wins this series is it that la wanted or did colorado lose it that's that's how it feels you know he has to steal you a minimum of two games um kempe needs to he was running around a lot and that's good a little dirty in there a psychopath yeah something's wrong with adrian kempe yeah like i don't know if he if he wants to be like captain of the kings and like this is his his he's handing his application it's like I'm crazy I can lead this team but he was psychotic he'd be a great captain going into the future for them I don't think there's a problem there but you had 10 points in six games last year we we need you to be effective with the puck need you on the ice as well like

Starting point is 01:39:19 like the some of the beauty of the Panthers is like yeah all their top guys are willing to be bastards but the guys who do the real dirty work they're down in the lineup like i i don't think it would be uh i i imagine there's gonna be a conversation with dj smith uh and his locker room going listen adrian you're doing a great job the rest of you i need you to be doing that shit instead i wonder if that's their way to win this series go back to adam's question it's if we can play just and i don't know what's a what style of hockey where you're just trying to assault the other team like that's essentially what adrian kempe is out there doing where he goes up to uh nathan mckinnon to start the game just punches him in the face he does a little

Starting point is 01:40:09 fist right in the face later in the game he gets a coincidental roughing call with landis kog because landis kog is like going to the bench somebody uh bumps into him and then kempe's in there just punching people and then kempe sitting on the bench and the refs are calling him over to go to the box and kempe's just sitting there looking at the scoreboard not going to the box i'm like dude just fucking get on with this but i wonder if he's trying to lead by example for the rest of his team where it's we can't beat these guys on the ice we can beat them in this in this mental game so maybe we get in their heads we get them off of their game and i said it wasn't a 2-1 game but the scoreboard said 2-1 you know they didn't play up to that level it doesn't matter if you got out

Starting point is 01:40:54 class for 60 minutes the score was still a one goal game and maybe if they play like that and they get an extra goal it's a 2-2 and then in overtime who knows what happens and you can win a couple games in the series one of the greatest examples of a team that just didn't belong in a playoff series finding a way to win uh 2023 florida boston that series everyone's like it's boston in three and then game one happened and it's like boston in two like they were killing them florida just tried to do all the dirtiest things under the sun it had some effect but at it's boston it's they're oh yeah you're doing all the playoff things in the playoffs like we're not surprised by any of this uh what kind of swung that series in a big way was goaltending oh yeah

Starting point is 01:41:49 goaltending and efficiency with shots all mark was not good was he not injured he was but then swayman came out that's and was also not good that's when they messed up the rotation too because they kept they throw swayman out and they're like okay let's throw all mark in there for the game seven right i'm trying to remember all the uh no no uh all mark was i believe game six it was five or six and then swayman took over the series and wasn't good and they were gonna put swayman back in and then yeah they they messed that up they got in their heads and there was an overtime game there where like the panthers dynasty doesn't exist if they just fucking score if boston scores an overtime goal there early on it was a breakaway yeah martian

Starting point is 01:42:33 Yes, and Marchand just puts that home. No Panthers cup runs happen. So there's an example there where, like, Florida did this, Florida did this. But at the end of the day, there was a lot of screw up on Boston's side. I think that series, by the way, is why Montgomery was fired. Did you notice how they didn't fire him until over a year later? I know. I know because they beat, remember, he beat the Leafs in then.

Starting point is 01:42:57 But they almost bungled that Leafs series without Matthews and Nylander in it. They sure did. i i think i think that's the reason monty is gone and i i don't think that's necessarily fair also i think it's hilarious that brad marchand now current panther could have stopped this bullshit before it happened well and also monty was the one who pushed the posternok button he's like oh he's not good enough he's not good enough he hasn't been good enough who iced the series loaded posternok yeah absolutely so i think i think like listen the king's got to drag him into the muck they got to get great goaltending but you're right there is an element of the abs have to

Starting point is 01:43:33 screw this up yeah uh i'm i'm just gonna i'm gonna leave the playoffs for a second talk a couple gm searches and then we'll wrap up the show is that cool yeah you guys good with that we do all the series i think we did uh i mean we got edmonton tonight but that was in the bed mgm oh yeah they haven't played yet yeah they're the ones that haven't played uh now i want to talk a little bit about the canucks first i don't know if you guys caught this but it was suggested by elliot friedman last monday that not only you know are they firing a gm but the majority of their scouting staff are unsigned for next season oh which is not something you hear ever i like listen i've never thought of their contracts well you rarely hear about that yeah you're right but

Starting point is 01:44:14 i'm not gonna lie i didn't know they had them but the majority i thought they were just in place is interesting the majority of them like as in like a good chunk of them and and is that good heading into the most important draft in years perhaps not but it also might indicate that they want to make some significant changes jim rutherford said that he wants to be out of here sooner rather than later and a name has emerged as a gm and he's an internal candidate his name's ryan johnson yes and ryan's been a part of this group for a long time um and i guess uh with rutherford saying he would you know what free said is i think if it was up to rutherford he would promote ryan johnson canucks are going to value people who have been through a rebuild

Starting point is 01:44:54 um he also mentioned somebody uh named ventura last name ventura not ace sam ventura jesse um he doesn't know if ownership is ready for a new name they like familiarity so it may be they already said they were going to take a long time like the leafs did and we'll get to that but it may not actually take that long it might be johnson and johnson might be the guy that not only takes over the gm but eventually takes over for rutherford as head of hockey ops remember rutherford's like 77 it's it's not a young man it's incredible the amount of people 70 and over the nhl has crazy crazy one of them just got a contract extension as head coach yeah so anyway that's the uh that's the the the thing there now frank ceravalli tweeted last night about the

Starting point is 01:45:38 toronto maple leafs and he said that they are closing in on whoever this general manager candidate is going to be. Obviously, Mike Gillis' name has been front and center. We've heard other names like John Chayka, some other people they've talked to. Chris Pronger got an interview. Sonny Mehta. Sonny Mehta. Well, I don't even know if Sonny Mehta even got to the interview process. I think it was like New Jersey or bust. But a new name came up, and that's Dallas' assistant GM, which I think is interesting because I think had he been available, Jim Neal would have been a guy they wanted his name is scott white uh and dallas there are way worse teams you could be rating

Starting point is 01:46:13 right i would go after a dallas or a colorado or tampa or florida those are the guys you want number one like probably number one target in the nhl i know florida's had like three different assistant gms uh talked about meta being one of them uh hilariously gregory campbell brett peterson um brad peterson or am i getting him confused with the player i think it's brad peterson i don't even know brad or brad i'm not anyway um but no dallas to me i've gushed about them for years and years and years they just keep finding guys well this guy they found this guy's been with the stars organization forever since we graduated high school since the year we graduated high school he started as director of hockey ops for the iowa stars when they existed in 2006

Starting point is 01:47:03 2005 06 yep and that's insane was the gm of the texas stars for years and years and years wow so he he's really worked his way up and think of how good they've been for how long and and think of how they've built also like we we've talked about um you can draft your team well it sucks for the they don't have a ton of picks you can trade or you can sign through free agency the star the stars by and large are built through the draft like nearly everyone tyler sagan was a trade they drafted ben fifth round um they signed pavelski robertson was a pick wyatt johnson was a pick jake ottinger was a pick i believe ropey hints was a pick miro hayskinen was a pick uh and the guy lindell i think was a pick and the guy that made all those draft picks is now

Starting point is 01:47:57 running the leafs thomas harley i think was a pick yeah mark leach is is the guy at the head of it so we hope we'll be able to find some diamonds in the rough because of his drafting record in dallas but it would be kind of interesting to get another dallas system guy in here i i think it'd be great oh yeah my guess is mark leach uh wants that probably i mean you sign here and after a year you're like i don't know if my job's solid because maybe the new guy comes in and wants his guy doubtful but yes well it's mark's got a great resume he does have a great resume and i hope they hold on to them uh the more dallas influence the better jesse are you surprised that it might wrap up this week because a little bit mid-may right a little bit i but i'm

Starting point is 01:48:36 learning when keith pelly talks you're rumbling don't listen don't the words are nonsense who cares what he's saying he's either lying or just saying corporate speak and none of it matters i thought initially when they're doing this whole schmooze with all the people around the league shamoosh they were gonna say hey we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna wine and dine yeah all of these agms we're gonna take them out we're gonna find the best guy and that is a thing that doesn't go very quickly i thought they were gonna take their time with this process hire their search firm what they did search scour pro sports to find the guy and now that has been like a week and they're like okay we're almost done it feels like they truly didn't do the right thing with

Starting point is 01:49:24 this gm slash president search well jesse you want to know what i think um to the question is keith pelly smart uh defining smart in the corporate world often comes down to results and keith pelly has a resume that suggests a high level of strategic intelligence and negotiating savvy even if his current role with mlse is drawing some fire from fans it's chat that's from google gemini oh wow we didn't go we didn't go with claude or chat with gemini okay i've heard i've heard some things about claude but i thought i thought this would be a long process where we'd hear like oh they looked at this guy from baseball or this president from this industry or whatever and now it just feels like they're gonna do some hockey guy i'm stuck in the middle ground of

Starting point is 01:50:11 you should take your time and make the right decision here and also uh the draft lotteries in like two weeks and maybe move your ass i'm i don't know which one i am i would say too like listen if they did interview like 15 people that and and you found somebody or you found a few people that you like why wait totally so i will give them like listen i'm trying to give a little bit of grace where none is deserved um like you know i don't know why the fact that you remember that we we talked about the humza terrani the man who's the head of the maple leaf sports and entertainment innovation innovation chief innovation officer if if the raptors are finding success and they're not no fuck the raptors are not finding success they got their

Starting point is 01:50:54 ass kicked and they're a mid-team that beats up on opponents who are worse than them well there you go um also why were they using not why was brandon ingram only limited to seven shots i don't think that's that's uh it's not a part we don't have to go down that i'm just wondering why that happened i mean he is their best player i think the the example that i didn't like when they said that it's like oh the raptors they've really taken to this thing like the raptors aren't just a model franchise to look after i don't think i don't think we look at the last two years of the raptors and say yeah like that's the team that's a model of media that's okc right now like that or those are the panthers you know in the nhl so i didn't like that line from them okay you're in

Starting point is 01:51:36 the mushy middle you're the worst place to be they are um well no they did they did me a courtesy i was at a kid's birthday party the game was on i was watching it and they had the courtesy that when leo wanted to go to the arcade they went down by 10 and i was like all right suppose we can uh play on the motorcycle thing yeah and then after getting their ass kicked they went down by 20 yeah this is brutal man it's great well what's wrong with it i don't understand so the the grace you're trying to give this new president and his cabal of people that he has in his ear one of them being chat gpt i'm not willing to give him that until he does something that's like you you've impressed me here chat gbt keith nothing keith belly has done has given me any confidence in it

Starting point is 01:52:27 yeah since he's arrived there isn't one decision with the leafs where i say that's good and no and if i if i were to eliminate he walked in the door fired half the like 30 of roger's staff yeah i think it was 10 which is still 10 very high sorry roger the mlc staff yeah from like the people who cook food up and down the chain there was no one to receive the mail that's the first thing he did then he makes the awful decision well the weird decision with brendan shanahan and not replacing him and finding someone there. Then he's trusting Bradshaw Living so much and then not telling Bradshaw Living to do anything.

Starting point is 01:53:06 Then he's best friends with Craig Berube and is letting him run the organization from the bottom up. And then he comes out with all of his glasses. I don't know why I should believe in any single decision Keith Pelley makes. And you know what? You're right.

Starting point is 01:53:22 I'm just going on blind hope. It's not coming from anywhere that's results-based. That's for sure. i'm trying to hope that they luck their way into a good decision here i didn't even throw in all this stuff he's charging that we've been a million times over every single thing next the washroom is going to cost two bucks yep you can do that in roller coaster tycoon you guys ever play that i play that for hours on my old pc when i was a kid i'd get out of the cereal box and if you want to make extra money you could charge for the washrooms in roller coaster tycoon

Starting point is 01:53:52 keith pelly is gonna see that and say that's a good idea for scotia bank arena customers like it no your customer happiness would go down but you'd make more revenue did you see the new thing so jesse then jesse was like well i'm keith felly so he raised that and then there'd be barf everywhere and you got to hire the little yeah i remember that jesse had his uh glasses for whatever uh color the theme park was the new thing i saw uh from fan first network i didn't read about it anywhere else is so you got to be part of a lottery to get into jurassic park yep which is also um insane maple leaf square i'm sure they're not allowed to call it jurassic park but uh raptor square yeah yeah so to be at the outside watch party you have to enter a lottery

Starting point is 01:54:40 you have to spend mlse points to join the lottery whether you win the lottery or lose yes is that so you am i getting my understanding was that you didn't get your points back either you just enter and that's it that's insane and no no the mlac the i think they're the fan points i don't know they're not called mlac points that would be funny um but you do get those for free it's not like you're paying for those things um but but you have a limited amount and you probably do have to pay for them eventually to get more what happens when you run out you gotta play a little more mini games and interact with the ford whatever to boost your plus ups you just played the buffalo sabers outdoor party and then and then you gotta pay this month's rent for mlse

Starting point is 01:55:32 it's all stupid it's all stupid it's all and the naming rights for that place are 40 million dollars they get that every year i'm just saying oh my god so so i know there's the potential that they could just hire another hockey man the the super outside the box thinker wunderkeens is not walking through that door because of keith pelly so if i'm okay with them getting a hockey guy as long as it's a smart one yeah yeah somebody knows hockey things and which isn't to say brad's not smart but he was a very inactive one and i would like to see them get a guy who um is active understands what a telephone does no no brad understood the telephone he just didn't understand the closing part he called every yeah i guess you're right he called everybody all right we'll

Starting point is 01:56:19 wrap it up there we're gonna be back wednesday uh and don't forget i got the stream tonight and then are you guys both streaming tomorrow night i'm sure tonight oh you're streaming tonight yeah the sense games tonight all right yeah yeah so we got a jesse at seven and then we got a me at 10 i'm trying to see if i can buy uh these these fan access points because i have a fan access thing on the raptors app i got 20 points for the daily login oh look at that so the tailgate passes are a hundred points so you gotta log in every day for a work week yeah to apply for and then you play the little games and you get more i currently have 112 points do you have enough yeah so i have enough for one of the lottery tickets that you might not win yeah yeah

Starting point is 01:57:03 but it's like free free points right i'm spending that so you can spend them on like tickets and stuff like that to enter draws for tickets yeah but you've spent your time yeah you spent your time that's the plugging onto the app and playing the game so it's not free your time is not free your time is not free none of our time is free can i tell you that one of these days i hope we at sdpn get successful enough that we can buy a plot of land and do our own party and just have our own watch party outside that'd be awesome wouldn't it be sick that's i've always wanted to do that now our building does not allow for that we'll buy the room a giant x you will buy a giant x and we'll call it twitter oh no yeah adam will do this thing where he jumps all weird

Starting point is 01:57:52 so i just wanted to confirm you can't buy the fan access points like you can't but you have to interact fortnight or something oh jesse can't buy delete this delete that part don't give them that idea but delete it don't give them that you'll play little games like how many points will the raptors score in the fourth quarter and you like make a pick and then you could win those little games they'll give you fan access points for that and they have arcade puzzles like target takedown and word jumble you play those things get points oh so it's chores it's it's whoever interacts with their fan access at the most you're gonna have the most points who's gonna have the most tickets to enter these draws to get into jurassic square that's how they're doing it

Starting point is 01:58:35 now which is definitely a way to do things i'm sorry i wanted to because we were all over the plays with that so i just wanted to get the information out there and the leafs didn't make the playoffs so your fan access points are sitting there doing nothing don't worry about it so if you want to watch james harden flop around the floor like a fish for i don't know four or five six games or whatever in the rain while uh just absolutely watching your team get shit pumped um go for it yeah which nba player do you least like the most harden or mb mb mb okay because you have a beef against mb yeah because he's disgraceful he's just sporting it's too yes to the idea the concept of athletics like he is he's a cheater he's a complete cheater um whereas like

Starting point is 01:59:36 Harden, dude, the first foul the Raptors had against him, I was like, okay, maybe I shouldn't watch this. I'd love to know what my blood pressure is compared to two weeks ago. Is it lower or higher? A weekend of not having a dog in the fight? It's amazing. Hey, man, we get to go the entire playoffs

Starting point is 01:59:56 without watching a Wes McCauley ref game for our team. I'm fucking jacked about that, I'll be honest. Steve just admitted it. What? i'm over here sweating every single second of every habs game oh and steve big old habs hater is like ah this is just all la-di-da to me wow this is going on reddit so fast so wait to be clear oh jesse just hit the extra which means he went a whole show without mentioning that lane hud oh he shut off your microphone he shut off your microphone

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