The Steve Dangle Podcast - Pelley Plan | May 10, 2024

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

On this episode the Steve Dangle Podcast, new MLSE CEO Keith Pelley speaks to the media (00:00), Brendan Shanahan answers tough questions (27:00), how does the MLSE regime plan on creating a winning team (50:00), Toronto's new WNBA team and the Leafs (1:04:00), Sheldon Keefe's message to Leafs fans (1:12:00), and Mitch Marner's NMC (1:24:00). Join SDP VIP: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a0z05HiddEn7k6OGnDprg/join Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/thestevedanglepodcast Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sdpvip/subscribe Visit this episode's sponsors: Tim Hortons Guests across Canada can start collecting the NEW Tim Hortons Greatest Duos Trading Cards set! Each card in the set consists of two icons - hockey rivals, teammates, family members and more - connected in a unique way. The set features a mix of current NHL® players, retired legends, and women superstars. Guests also have a chance to find a Collect to Win Golden Prize card and win exciting prizes, such as a 2024 Hyundai ELANTRA or Hyundai VENUE vehicle, or a trip to Montreal to watch a Canadiens game and meet Nick Suzuki. Visit a participating Tims location or the Tim's App for more details. https://timhortons.ca/TimsC2W Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at https://ca.manscaped.com/dangle. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at https://ca.manscaped.com/dangle. For the best your boys have ever looked, trust MANSCAPED. Go to http://shadyrays.com and use code SDP for 50% off 2 or more pairs of polarized sunglasses. Visit https://www.betterhelp.com/sdp today to get 10% off your first month. That’s https://www.betterhelp.com/sdp. Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Join us on Discord: https://discord.com/invite/MtTmw9rrz7 For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I just think it's funny how, yeah, I just think it's funny how a year ago, a general manager for the Toronto Maple Leafs went on stage and said, hey, there's some patterns developing here. and it's sometimes you have a theory and you test it but then you got to look at it one day and go maybe we're getting the same results and we're not liking the results right and then he was

fired three days later and a year later the president gets up in front and says sometimes you got to preach patience but then there are patterns and we have to take a look at the whole we can't live in a vacuum i don't want to be the read another book guy but this reminds me of professor umbridge's introductory speech at hogwarts inherited potter and the order of the phoenix hated it no but how she just rambled on and we must keep certain traditions but get rid of other traditions but then it's important to remember the past but we must go onward into the future now and it's just and you know my favorite part you didn't see it did you see it what do you mean oh i thought you went talking about harry potter no no i've never seen

i thought so yeah i know i i just i didn't despise here but i just never got into it so it wasn't my thing the press conference i was like watching the clock i was like how long till keith pelly mentions the european golf tour oh it was right away right away we got hey we won the rider cup and i learned a lot of lessons from winning the rider cup as the president of the european golf tour jesse is it one time in 30 years the europeans have won it like it's like it's not it's not very often no and so it's like so the one time listen listen as a one-time winner uh let me tell you yeah also i allow my players to wear shorts on the european golf tour that's a big keith he changed everything yes a true maverick no i'm kidding i actually i like keith

i like keith and and i was over there i saw liverpool and thinking about the leaf's job reminded me of liverpool if you took a shot every time he mentioned that he's only been here four weeks you wouldn't be listening to the show right now you'd be on the floor unable to push play i i was blown away i was blown away by everybody going this this is my responsibility and then everybody's saying it's really not i can't say that that is my fault and then the next guy go and this was my responsibility but you know it's on the other yeah yeah i i liked i thought brad drew living did well keith pelly is the new ceo uh of maple leaf sports and entertainment he said about five times over the course of the press conference and he had to and i'll tell you why

in a second that he's only been here four weeks the reason he's saying that is because he doesn't want to get clipped and say hey i'm not taking responsibility for the previous years here he can't because he wasn't here he didn't even live in toronto didn't even live in canada did not live in north america no i don't expect him to but he did say i've been here four weeks now he said he opened the conversation saying he will not make it a habit of speaking to the media for team related reasons because his job is to oversee the five teams that maple leaf sports and entertainment currently operate no i mean he'd be doing a press conference every week exactly so he said i he said i did say this though he's like uh i came back to toronto to win good is not good enough we can

where we can we will provide hockey ops with every resource to win i can assure uh i can assure no decision will be made with our detailed analysis uh we need to win nothing else matters no doubt you've heard that before but I'm a thousand percent committed to it then in Shani's opening statement he thanked Sheldon Keefe said ultimate responsibility is on me being Brendan Shanahan he said our playoff results have not been good enough that's on me results are unacceptable to fans and this is going to be the quote like listen you can't say much at these press conferences but this is where I want to stop and break this down okay here's the one where you paused and looked to me i think well this is pre you even being here oh so no um i was this is the first time

he did say this multiple times but this is the first time he said it there are times when you talk about patience however when you see patterns persist you have to adjust the way you think about things where where have we said this have we not said this dubas last year we will look at everything this summer and consider everything this summer with all intention to make the Leafs better and win now that doesn't seem like much of a statement but it's actually quite big well he's basically saying like did he explicitly say and I'm not saying this is going to happen relax but did he explicitly say oh yeah we're not going to trade Austin Matthews we're not going to trade William Nylander right no he didn't say that so everything is on the table now there's no

freaking way they trade either of those players yeah but exactly john tavaris uh mitch marner they were both specifically well they were talking about yeah they were asked about i believe it was luke fox and uh good for him someone had to ask it luke that this is later on in the press conference but luke said asking mitch and john he said will you be asking mitch and john to waive a no trade clause it's good for luke by the way for jumping in and asking that question we're jumping ahead a bit in terms of the timeline but he said everything is on the table we'll get back to that now true living open by he said he believed keeping sheldon here was a good a good idea he's an excellent coach excellent person he said sometimes in this business good people have

to be changed uh this does not fall at his feet and by no means do i want to be taken as this change uh by making this change that all arrows point at sheldon uh we got to a place where a new voice was leaded or needed excuse me and he said coaching churning is not what the maple leafs are going to be about uh because that is not a recipe for success are you sure that's what he said because what i heard was yeah the mic wasn't great oh yeah that was awful dude yeah somebody somebody at the leafs i i don't know what it is the edmonton oilers do some of the best press conferencing because their fans sort of demand it they didn't mic any of the questions until later in the press conference and i'm like guys every single press conference you watch with the toronto

maple leafs you go on and you watch it online and you're like straining to hear the reporter and i'm like just it's a wireless mic just give him a mic but then the mic turns on and you go with for livings mic is nobody tested it beforehand yes yeah it was all peaky and wasn't turned the gain down yeah they figured it out eventually but uh that was it's funny like i thought he was saying some of the most insightful stuff of that press conference some of the most meaningful stuff yeah and no one could freaking hear it like he was all anyone has wanted to know is what the hell is wrong with austin matthews um and like other injuries to the team and he's like just no one could hear i was disappointed no one really pushed him on why did you give

keith the two-year extension before he addressed it he said sometimes he said uh um uh he he believed keeping sheldon here was a good decision because he's a good coach and an excellent person Yeah, he said that, but I wish somebody pushed him on. You didn't have to make that decision at the time. You wanted to keep Sheldon. He was under contract for a year. If there was a chance that if he failed, you move on from him, what's the point of giving him the assurance for two years? so i i think you're right on that jesse and i hadn't thought about it but what comes to mind there on that particular instance is something that we'll get into as as we get into more of the answers here because i think there was an emotional change made at the top last spring i think oh you think that when brandon shanahan in front of a microphone openly admits on his drive home to mimico that uh that this was pre-gardner down to two lanes yes yeah by the

way yeah exactly oh so he was cruising he was 20 kilometers there is an option to go over 60 kilometers per hour the option the option and the shoulder in the middle of the night was he driving an ambulance how the hell is he going that fast so now it's just off the table for anybody that forgets the timelines what happened last year was dubas got up and he's like well i gotta consider of my family okay whatever you gotta say uh and and no no no no no let's let's talk about what really happened let's talk about what really really happened last year what really happened is kyle dubas got in front of a microphone and said uh this isn't working and we got to change things essentially without saying it and everyone was like everything's on the table and everybody's

like agreed that's great that you got past the first round and got out played the whole way and your goalie got you there let's be honest about that and then you got that goalie's gone now yeah and that goalie's not as good anymore uh and then you got rinsed in the second round by a team that that barely made the playoffs who are actually good and ended up making the cup final yeah but also did not did barely qualify let's be honest it's like march 1st the panthers went oh we can play hockey and you know when it started they haven't turned it off you know when it started when toronto keith kachuk keith kachuk got on toronto radio and said they're soft and guess what happened he canceled their youtube trip um the but but when we when we go back to jesse

what you said what you said there was why did he commit to sheldon and my answer to that my speculation about that is that he didn't he was hired and he and and brendan said no we're going to do this again and dubas was fired in part because no we're going to do this again and they were privately behind the scenes at loggerheads they had neither has really come out and spoke on it i wonder if dubas ever will probably not but their relationship which started very close remember brandon plucked him out of um the zoo uh was from what i understand they were barely able to be in the same room yeah they here's here's what needs to happen one of them needs a book one of them needs a book yeah because oh that book deal is going to be fat oh yeah because dude i i

keep bringing it up because i read it recently i can't believe the shit in the brian burke book i can't believe it and like what i'm every time he says a story i'm like is this common knowledge why no one reads dude you should read hockey books they're great what do you buy yeah i'm sure he sold a bunch of books though what do you buy it and put it on the shelf audiobooks really good yep you haven't even got to the point where dubas want the reason they're they're butting heads because he wanted his job because he wanted autonomy right and brendan shanahan made the biggest power play and he said i'm still above you in this organization i'm going to get rid of you right and that's what he did now i have uh i have more on that later

because there's there's some insects that i don't think you're wrong on the keith thing where it's bradshaw living and famously through luke fox's reporting says he sat down with key for 16 hours of meetings for two straight days oh my god you remember that oh yeah we met for 72 hours over the last two days like the august report where they sat down for 16 hours over two days or whatever it was and he's like after that i came out full belief of shelton keith and all that stuff and then later on he gets the extension i think a lot of that is shannon who you get rid of dubas you say we're running this back again and running it back includes running it back with the coach so we have continuity there and hey you want this job brad we're keeping the coach yeah and we're

keeping the core for figuring i think that's a very poor decision and i i don't know if brendan shanahan has to wear that inside of the organization because they have to pay him out for two years now but i don't think publicly no one's really hanging this oh we will be now we'll be now that's why i'm bringing it up because it's an egregious error and now shelvin keith is gone and gets to sit at home by the by lakeshore today make his videos and get paid today's the day jesse today's the day because as much as people walked away from that press conference well no accountability whatever what we now get to do is actually hold but that was the first time brendan's talked to the media in 12 months by the way and has not talked to the media in 12 months and to your point about

nobody's hung this on brendan a lot of it was hung on dubas and i agree with that um brendan sat up there today who hired and said the exact hold on he said the exact same thing sorry that's a very valid point is he fucking hired dubas brendan got up there today and said the exact same thing kyle dubas said in may 2023 yeah so where are we hanging this and by the way we were saying that in september october last year we're like dubas we've known about trades that got nixed by brendan specifically the brendan haggle one drives me crazy uh it would have been the loss of matthew nice but it would have been mark andre flurry and brandon hagel uh would have been pretty great yeah without uh it would have been pretty good pretty good um we'll never know without a time

machine um because brandon hagel did eat the leafs alive that year yeah uh so i don't i i like life with matthew nice but oh brandon hagel yeah yep exactly now without him they win that series before we get to the reporter questions for keith for brandon and for brad i do want to mention that Brad Treliving did talk about the injuries, and as far as playoff injuries go, the Leafs were relatively healthy. So we start with McMahon, MCL strain. They expected it to be about seven weeks. They thought he might be available for the second round. Austin Matthews got sick at the end of game two.

They initially thought it was food poisoning or a virus, and then he got a weird hit in game four, and he was having head injuries. Now, I bet the hit in Game 4 is the one where he was slammed backwards into the ice. See, they said a suspected head injury. Yeah, they suspected it, but they cleared him Game 7 because apparently the symptoms were gone. Magically, on the morning of Game 7. The afternoon. Oh, man. Everyone in the room went, hmm.

Okay, knee lander. Severe migraines developed after Game 82. he has had these before but they did treat them as possible concussion syndrome uh symptoms but they cleared them however i do want to point out that matthew's concussion potential syndrome you know whatever it was that he had magically cleared up on game seven so you know remember these are sports injuries and he had a damn assist connor doer uh is getting shoulder surgery today we'll be back for training camp joseph wall si joint sprain which is your back and that was on the last play against boston hey there's an injury i can relate to damn that sucks joe does it feel

does it feel good could you play goalie no okay nothing uh walking is shit sitting is actually the worst so uh that's why marty jones was sitting on the bench ah you see uh that made him unavailable for game seven so we get into the press conference um and somebody immediately asked keith hey keith pelly that is when will it be possible to win now i couldn't hear who the reporter was because uh the they didn't mic the reporters at the beginning so i apologize if i don't quote some of the reporters directly it's because i could not hear who it was and some of these reporters you can just tell by their voice yeah um and keith said well i can't put a timeline on it okay and of course he can't uh but he did say this skill chemistry unity nothing else matters

other than winning a cup and he said uh he did provide clarity because they did have to ask him hey is shanahan staying and he's like yeah shanee staying and he was talking about the the what success is skill plus chemistry plus unity and he said that the chemistry and unity between shanahan and true living especially over the four weeks that he's been here really hit home for him so he's confident in that now what else is he supposed to say let's move on to the people that really you want to hear from right i mean here i think we should clarify this people want to know a lot of people listening want to know who is this man and why should i listen to keith pelly um is known for some massive successes at tsn he started as a producer and they took he and

scott moore worked together a little bit there and and they took keith was able to take the cfl which was uh failing in the 90s and turn it into uh a massive massive success massive rating success massive television success it was huge uh kids enormous and it's still big all doug flutie still big just not maybe in the east as much as the west um or at least i'll say toronto because i don't count montreal on that montreal fans alouette's fans are crazy um so he did a lot of stuff there He moved his way up through TSN and headed up the media there and then moved over to Rogers and became the head of Rogers Media. So it wasn't now it's called Rogers Sports and Media, but back then it was just called Rogers Media. And he was the one that convinced then CEO Nadir Muhammad to go after the full package NHL rights, meaning that Sportsnet would own all the hockey and TSN would get some regional games.

Because what initially TSN and Rodgers were going to do, and this is how TSN approached the NHL, was we're not going to let CBC have it anymore because Hockey Night in Canada was a purely CBC product for 50-something years or more. Keith went to Nadir Mohamed and said, Bell is going to come at this conservatively. If we go at this aggressively, we can take the entire rights package. And that's what they did. And apparently, so the $6.2 billion number. 5.2. Or is it 5.2? It's 5.2.

5.2 billion, excuse me. They went to the NHL. The NHL was blown away. Keith is a very, very good, he's a good talker. He's great with relationship building. If you were running an organization like Rogers, you would want him in charge. And the idea was that they would catch Bell flat-footed. Bell was caught flat-footed.

george cope flew to new york to meet with gary betman and said okay they're offering 5.2 we'll give you 5.4 but gary said no i'm a man of my word 5.2 was the number we agreed on it's going to rogers so bell almost paid more would have paid 200 million dollars more for holy that's the report now uh keith the the first three years of the rogers uh sports net deal didn't go well the first year no canadian team made the nhl uh playoffs excuse me um and uh now and you have to remember that's some debate you have to remember too 2013 2014 were pretty rosy times in the canadian economy we were on par or above the american dollar at that point because of the crash in 09 and so uh he negotiates a deal that's a sliding scale deal it's you know 250 million

year one but by year 12 it'll be 750 million dollars a year whatever the division is and so you know it looks okay but again they don't get any playoff revenue which sucks they hire an enormous staff they make sports net magazine there the whole thing was supposed to be like a five-pronged approach to make this money back they hire some idiot named steve yeah well yeah and what they found though is when they went out to market to sell it they thought they'd cornered the market on hockey and what advertisers told them was these are prices that we're not paying so we'll buy other sports and what tsn did to counter them is they leaned into football and that has seen an enormous rise in football in canada so all that is to say then keith is moved

on from that position to the european golf tour uh where he is very successful um and we we make fun of it but like the big move was you know he allowed them to wear shorts on tour uh but he is he obviously was very very successful there and then now maple leaf sports and entertainment brings him in larry knows him from his time at bell and rogers bell knows him well rogers knows him well it makes sense so also champion great cup guy because he ran the argos at the time when they won that oh okay i forgot he ran the argos there you go so he's got a ring so once again it's very important there's a lot of oh yeah he's got a great covering but there's people listening going all right so that's his resume why do i care well you can't well now he's the

big honcho of your favorite sports team he's brendan shanahan's boss yeah and to my knowledge i mean brendan shanahan has always had to answer to people but i don't know if he's had like a direct one guy before he was hired by tim lewicky lewicky left several months after hiring shanahan a decade ago and since then well it's michael freesdale that was the uh the ceo but he was always more business yeah mike uh michael freesdale is a um uh was a hands-off guy when it came to that stuff and he was hired to to do to do just the business stuff but i think maple leaf sports has evolved to the point where you need a guy who understands and loves sports um to do it one thing i didn't really like is how he phrased his role with mlse and what dragged him back to this

position and that entirely being the leafs being in charge of the leafs and this part of the organization because as somebody who also cares about the raptors and there are other properties within mlse there are five teams it didn't seem like keith belly realized that there are four other teams under his his thumb now and just like i get that they're not even close to as important but as a fan of those teams specifically the raptors raptors are pretty damn important they're pretty pretty i their evaluation at some points is higher is just as in par with the toronto maple it's been higher i'm pretty sure basketball is bigger yeah no it's just a bigger it's a bigger sports a bigger property and i didn't like that he's just like you know i'm here for the leafs

you know you also have four other teams yeah i do think i do think that that he right off the top i think he was trying to say i'm not going to make this a habit i don't get involved but i feel like he needed to make a public base at some point um and yeah you're right jesse like he hated every but he said specifically the thing that got me here is the leafs and the fans and everything i'm like but like i'm also a raptors fan dude like i hope you care about that team too yeah Yeah. Yeah. Hey, are you tired of basking in the rays of your team's playoff success?

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Brennan was asked by Luke Fox of Sportsnet, hey, I got to give Luke Fox a lot of credit, and there's a few other reporters I got to give credit to because they asked very bold questions. The Toronto media did its job today, I feel. Luke Fox asking Mitch and John to waive their no-trade clauses went right at him and said, are you going to ask them? Brendan Shanahan said this and again he repeats the answer but it's important that you note it

everything is on the table but it doesn't serve the Leafs to discuss those things prematurely the focus right now is to find a new head coach I do believe there is time for preaching patience but he did say he doesn't believe that time is now he was preaching patience last spring he was preaching patience the former the previous six years before last spring um and then here's the great follow-up steve simmons toronto sun steve says this in eight elimination games your team has scored 11 goals why should we man why should we believe you when you say that you can change this and the time for change is now and you haven't thought you haven't been able to get it done before and brandon legit and i think that's a great question

and brandon said that is the challenge we wake up every day thinking about ways we can change the narrative and the results and he said you got to get into the dirty areas brandon this is important you got to get into the dirty areas aside from the tampa series and he referenced the power play in all other series we haven't gotten those results and he's talking about playoff goals which is something that sheldon keith has emphasized with his team for at least three years so there's the there's a clip that we can't play which is funny because we had a deal with with amazon when this came out but there's a clip that we can't play uh because it's part of the amazon doc where keith is meeting with joe thornton mitch marner john tavaris and a few

other the stars probably could play it but we're not going we're not going on our youtube channel yes it is yeah like we couldn't like we wouldn't flag ourselves i know i don't know if the white listing lasts three years or not we could play it if you really wanted to but let's not let's let's not get demonetized sorry everyone basically it was making the rounds yesterday and it's keith talking to the guys with masks on yes uh about what it is to score a goal in the playoffs and how this is going to be different and joe thornton notably in it which kind of went past passing at the time but has really resonated in the three years since says give us a break we're in first place or lay off we're in first place i believe is what he said and joe and i

liked him in Toronto he wasn't great but I liked him he's a great personality he was pretty he was brought in to be a mentor to the young guys and that is not what anybody wants to see or hear from their favorite team going into the playoffs part of the reason people are frothing at the mouth right now for um Craig Berube is a clip that's been going around of Sheldon Keefe before game seven this year and he goes all right guys relax have fun all that and then they show a clip of craig barubi from before game seven um 2019 stanley cup final in boston by the way he's like we're taking the fucking cup tonight like just hellfire and brimstone fired up let's friggin rawr and uh the leafs just haven't had that yep they haven't had that um mark masters

as you look back uh why do you think and i'm paraphrasing mark's question here because it was hard to hear why do you think they haven't got why why hasn't the core four got this group over the top brendan shanahan that's a difficult question uh there is a time where the right answer is patience new information has evolved and you just have to adjust the way you're thinking chris johnson what so what he's saying is um what he's saying is he doesn't know why the core four theory didn't work i need i know i need you to read it again okay so mark masters as you look back why do you think they as in the core four haven't been able to get the group over the top good question shanahan that is a difficult question and again i'm paraphrasing some of the

some of the things okay uh there is a time where the right answer is patience sometimes new information and he says evolved new information has evolved and you have to adjust the way of thinking or you have to adjust your way of thinking which goes back to his initial statement word salad no i don't think it is yummy yummy i think i i actually disagree with you completely yeah i think that is a hundred percent saying we're changing directions now now well and and and you you would be right to say the time to change it was last spring shanee yeah the time to change it was probably when you look back your cup window with Tavares was 19 20 and 21 and I know there was a pandemic but that was your cup window the time to change things in

retrospect hindsight being 2020 was that okay we didn't get it done against Montreal but Tavares got injured so let's do it against Tampa oh we didn't get it done against Tampa you know what I mean like there's so many times they could have pulled the chute like COVID genuinely boned this team it boned this team more than any other but you know what they did about strategy and what they did about it is nothing right so if it wasn't 2021 it was damn sure 2022 and they didn't do anything and then they win in 2023 and you go oh hooray and they lose i think well i guess the organization as a whole they they're showing a pattern of doing everything about a year late and i wonder with shanahan and his job is is like is was this the year to move on from him

and are we gonna sit here next year and be like okay now's the time to move on we're all like it's a year late you know with the shelton keith stuff with trading marner it was a year late his no movement clause didn't kick in with having the core established and saying this is our time to go for it was two years ago replacing the gm replacing the gm if you were gonna do it you do it after you lose to Montreal and Tampa in success. Yeah. If you were going to do that, if you were going to make changes, that was the year to do it. It doesn't mean that Dubas should have been let go. It just means that if you were going to do it, that was the time. Their mentality in all of these decision makings is we don't want to make a rash decision. We don't want to jump into

something too soon. But that has led them over this length is 10 years of Shanahan's run to doing everything a step too late. And that's left them just trying to chase these things that they should have been doing a year or two earlier and i feel like we're just on this this constant loop of okay you made this decision it's the right decision now but it should have been made the season prior and i feel like every single time we're in this instance and chris johnston you're i assume you're going to get to his question he's the next one about the contract you can read it because i think that's an important one there where it's his contract's expiring before i get to what what cj said and i think it's important i want to add to your point jesse there's a theory

in war gaming bear with me that you arrive at a battlefield the other army arrives at a battlefield and it's called seizing the initiative and there are hey we could fight the battle in battle a or we can fight the battle in battle b and what the leafs do is they go i'll let the other time team decide it's called seizing the initiative so what great generals do is they seize the initiative they go no we're going to fight it this way because my team does this well on these with these circumstances and this gives us the best chance of winning we're not going to let the other guys decide we're going in this way and this is how we're going to fight it we're not going to react we don't let it come to us and that's what they're doing now so never once during

the bell rogers 10-year shanahan run i have i ever seen them be proactive in any of these decisions it's always reactive and it's been very disappointing i don't think that's a recipe for success chris johnson can you clarify to shannon your contract situation quote i'm not going to go into the details it's not a focus for me and then he went on to talk about how his previous contract was a month from expire uh expiry before they re-signed the new one um and and chris in his question mentioned something about performance uh objectives as well like hey is there performance objectives like and obviously i think chris knew that shanee wasn't going to fully answer that question i think he knew uh but you gotta ask yeah you do i mean i don't know it's uh it's it's

press conference is one of those things where you're like well what do you expect them to say i don't know not much but they might yeah gotta try that's their that's their job is to ask the question they might answer they might not but your job as the reporter is to answer ask the question the uh like the the no move clause for martyr and tavaris um you know what would have been great there yep we're moving them yeah yep we're gonna ask them to move their thing and uh we actually sent Tavares a text like right before his plane took off to Prague just to piss him off uh anyway good luck at the worlds and yeah you're I mean you're never getting that answer no but you know what answer we didn't get no which is what we got emphatically last year yes which is an answer in

and of itself right i am not asking those players to move there are no move i mean my favorite anything other than imagine you're those people right anything other than a no makes you uncomfortable of course i my favorite answer like that in hockey history that i can remember is uh when at the draft in 2016 uh mark bergevin was asked are you trying to trade pk subban and he said no we are not actively shopping pk subban and he was traded like a day later or two days later which no we are not actively shopping him is so different from no very different um it's no with a bunch of herbs and spices shanning was asked can the core group win quote there's a time where you look at the age and development of a player and then uh and then he's talking about

patience and he said and then there's a time there comes a time when trends repeat themselves without getting specific when we're talking when we're taking this team into the playoffs next year we want to be more confident the team can get results i think that's a big quote too because it it lends itself to the fact of this year um uh we weren't totally confident whatever confidence we had we knew there were holes and you know rightfully so you know your team strengths and your weaknesses but the leafs strengths and weaknesses were essentially the same and uh you know i i look at this personally and say this is the most we've ever gotten from brendan shanahan if you're really listening to the quotes because it's the most he's had to say and i can understand

by the way you know people people ask why leaf fans they're so upset and frustrated all the time this is why because we could have told you three years ago and we were told no no you don't know better you don't know better you watch it's going to turn around for us you we need to be patient we need to be patient no at a certain point this is pro sports this is not the patience game this is not this is not hey i'm building a sandcastle over the course of several days this is years and years and years of work millions and millions and millions of dollars and by the way millions of dollars spent by toronto maple leaf fans yeah on jerseys on beer on on tickets corporations buying those outrageously priced platinum seat tickets because by the way no human

being is buying that themselves they're buying that as a write-off burger flippers with a piece of game you stick as the handle exactly that's something they sell a hundred percent i almost bought one well and they actually sounds like really good yeah i kind of want that for christmas they have a bunch of stuff in that store where i'm like you should really tell people you have this that's kind of cool yeah i always find it strange when the leafs are selling something and i'm learning about it for the first time i'm like wait okay did this come out today who's pulling my leg right going on anyway so so um that's that's significant now another significant thing comes up with brad for living uh first off he's instantly asked about craig berube and he's like

i'm not going to get into specific individuals of course yep um fair on the leafs lack of scoring in the playoffs is it systematic or is it personnel uh and he said a very you know brad's very funny he's actually got a good sense of humor and he said we seem to be turning the other team's goalie into the first star every night man this uh there was a game i don't remember the season i'm gonna say 2021-22 early in the season and the leafs got 40 50 shots on eager shisterkin and Sheldon Keefe said we made his night easy so something along those lines I remember that podcast actually I remember talking about and people were like dude you're nuts they had 50 shots I'm like how many of them were dangerous they I think they had two goals that game they

lost four or two or something like that and by the way like advanced stats love games like that all the least should have won well it's a it's a deserved win-o-meter feast right and oh speaking enough i will talk about carolina a little bit later yeah sorry publicly available advanced stats the private ones are actually brilliant well yeah i mean a lot of the public ones are made with blood sweat and tears and anyway that's a whole different discussion doesn't make him accurate he wasn't he being eager shisterkin was not being adequately tested by these shots um also he's an incredible goalie but he wasn't being adequately tested uh by these shots i mean you know we talk about you know oh man when things get tight when it gets tight dude have you seen the first few

games of the second round wide open it's teams blowing other teams out of the water there was an odd man rush every 45 seconds in rangers carolina holy shit what a series jesse you must have had fun streaming that one yeah it was really good i assume we'll get to the game yeah we will yeah dallas blew a three nothing lead and then very narrowly avoided blowing a four nothing lead Edmonton blew a 4-1 lead. Edmonton blew a 4-1 lead, and Boston kind of kicked Florida's ass game one, and then Florida kicked their ass game two. There's been a lot of goal scoring.

Now maybe it's early series, and then it tightens, tightens, tightens. You've got to be able to win both ways. I'm happy that the Leafs showed, like, hey, we could win two out of three in elimination games. they always find a way to lose that last one there was some stat i saw yesterday where sheldon keith is only uh i think his his playoff record was 16 and 21 i'm like how is that possible that he's only lost five more games than he's won how the hell is that they go to game seven game five he's three and four every time out that makes a lot of sense they got i want to say it was

one goal against columbus five for 12 at home by the way yeah uh oh oh good lord i'm surprised it's even that good uh one goal home against columbus one goal uh at home against montreal one goal at home against tampa uh two goals on the road to close out tampa um florida you got your ass kicked and uh this year one goal on the road against boston one goal one goal one goal one goal one goal it just keeps going that way yeah it was it's it was interesting to hear his assessment of it because i agreed with him that like yeah scoring is clearly the issue they're perfectly fine but his assessment is like we need to score in the dirty areas and all that stuff but you could also beat them with the offense if the offense is high flying and it works in the playoffs i do the tip

panarin had last night i think it was the game winning goal made me physically ill yeah that was the ot winner yeah like saying like we need a move off of skill he kind of said in a way you know he's talking about a lot about skill and it's not that we need to lose skill it's that we need guys who can play the other way something like but like you can also have the you need also need the skill we need to move off of low percentage plays that come to us easily that's that's a yeah that's fair like i i think that's a really good way to put it and they're so good at caving teams in with those goals in the regular season because i don't know man this is night three of four i'm on the road i don't give a shit like you know i always wonder and this there's no way to ever

know the answer to this but sometimes i'll watch a bottom five team and i go i wonder what they would be like if they were just placed in the stanley cup playoffs i bet a lot of them do completely differently i mean look look how many times we've seen that chicago beating edmonton in the qualifying round in 2020 they were the 23rd seed montreal beating the leafs um i might be screwing up my ears yeah i might be screwing up my ears um but uh you know the habs won against the Leafs is the no the Habs beat the Penguins is the 24 seed yeah right the Habs won in the Canadian division season like I don't know that sometimes I just get curious I'm like what if you just took the Ducks and we're like you're playing the Bruins yeah but sometimes then you get the

Washington Capitals of this year right right that's very true I mean listen I'm not saying they would go on a run and win the cup but I am saying they're two completely different styles yeah and hockey i don't think the leafs have the ability right now to win in the way colorado did in game one where they charge back and they take back a 3-0 lead because the leafs can't do that and i don't think they they've proven now they can't win the this way where they can't win the 2-1 game against the bruins they also can't they can't neutralize the best the the other team's best player either um like you look at let's just look at game one and i know it's one game game one uh uh edmonton vancouver because that's the game i watched the closest yep mcdavid did not have a

shot for the first time in his playoff career bananas i didn't know vancouver was capable of that i'll just straight up say it that's the reason why i picked edmonton to win the series i if you were to tell me a team blew a 4-1 lead in that series because the team stormed back to win it you'd be the team with the wow how did edmonton do it yeah it would be the team with the rookie third string goaltender too another one for silas has he lost the game one i think i think he's won we lost a game yeah he did lose a game unbelievable like edmonton's taken on vancouver's third goalie how many people listening to this right now heard of archer silas for the first time in his first game of these playoffs oh yeah why would you pay attention to the third

string goalie on vancouver unless you're a vancouver canucks fan yeah or there's something related i'm not ripping a lot of abbotsford games i'll put it yeah like i if you were like hey you know archer silas i'd be like that's a person like i i knew he was in vancouver's depth chart i couldn't have told you much about him he does it does seem a little bit like a creative player name too because archers is a goalie name for sure could have been um now i had players on my nhl 2001 team who were creative players and i still remember their name because they were valuable parts of my stanley cup winning teams shout out just foam okay there you go uh i got uh so the other major thing that you should take away from this press conference was brad treliving on

goaltending oh this was oh sammy's so gone oh he said i got faith in joe sometimes bad luck happens but he mentioned is this is this an injury prone player is it something that needs to is it a training issue is it off ice routine he said we have to support joe ilia's contract is up um so again he can say things very plainly like i i think what could he have said beyond i am not bringing back elias you can't though you can't no i know you can't i know and and i had somebody who's well placed and knows what they're talking about say listen everybody talks about the leafs needed to move this or move that he's like the number one thing he believed and he's been the NHL a long time, that the Leafs need as a goaltender this year.

And isn't it funny that one of the best ones available is in Calgary? Not that they'll do a deal with Toronto. Which means he's going to New Jersey. Guys, I don't have the energy. If you have a Leafs trade proposal, make sure it's not the Flames. It's not happening. Yeah. and thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk.

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We know that. But that was three years ago. The message stopped hitting home. Exactly. Like, we know that almost for certain. No, it started to work. It started to work. They scored more playoff style goals.

It was working. Well, this is the thing. Which consecutive game where they didn't score more than three goals did this work? No, I know. It started to work. No, no, no, no. one where they scored two or the other one where they scored one no but i started where they scored two when when i see there was one where they scored three the one when i started watching

that amazon or what after i watched that amazon amazon documentary i started watching the leafs through a bit of a different lens and i started going okay beyond the fact that they won 4-1 tonight which is great how'd they win like how did they do it how did they get those four goals like there were games where the Leafs won the Leafs lost from like wow I don't know this one hit an ass this one I don't know goalie probably should have saved it this one hit the linesman you know stuff like that but I started to watch I'm like okay is that goal going in in the playoffs all right dude rips it down the wing and he comes in and he snipes it top chad not the Leafs glove side that happens but not the Leafs it decreases in the playoffs big time like even like we were

just talking about panarin what do you think about panarin what do you think like high-end skill being able to kick yourself in the forehead for some reason vision yeah great sally yeah vision um you know being able to make plays um that's a tipping like it's a high-end nice looking tipping but like that's a tipping that's how you have to bloody score well what about on the power play that's something that the leafs could do because they're given a million opportunities and they have an inability to do that well that's something that is like a skill and coaching issue and they need to solve that perimeter perimeter perimeter on stop because it's a low percentage shot no one's there for the rebound clear try to gain the zone fail try to gain the zone fail try to gain the

zone fail line change try to gain the zone fail try to gain the zone get it perimeter perimeter perimeter soft shot on stopped cleared penalty is over how many power plays do we see that way you know what i mean and they're not like uh the bruins will just send enormous bodies in front because it's hilarious like they they sent patrick maroon out they sent uh justin brazo out i know this is long spilled milk but 2013 when the Bruins uh tied the game uh against the Leafs game seven go look who's in front who's at the point is it Zidane O'Chara who has maybe the hardest shot in NHL history no he's the net front guy because it's hilarious and effective you take away the goalie's ability to goalie he can't see shit you know the the Leafs started for a while there

to do a really good job of taking away the opposing goalie's eyes and against Boston they just stopped doing that I think this is why that way this is why it was more than enough time to move on from Sheldon Keefe and as MLSC does it's a little too late but he never figured out how to get the players he was given to score in the playoffs and especially on the power play and the players that are there don't know how to score in the playoffs and and you know what neither could babs right yeah and and so you know i'll give babs credit they did score more goals when babs was coaching in the playoffs they just let in a pile of bad ones too uh i also don't think i i think and we can get into the minutiae of this but i think of things like the leafs sixth

defenseman is travis dermot and he does a spin around man overtime and it leads to a goal when the leafs come out like a house on fire and and have 15 shots on net and the one shot the haves get goes in it might have been their best period of the series and it's and they lost and and it's stuff like that where that's where i i say part of this wasted this is a wasted we've wasted time here a lot of time um one thing i'll say about brad is that he did bring in veteran presence and didn't allow guys like Giordano and Brody, who were clearly not up to it, to play in this series much more than Brody's one game.

And the Edmondson effect, was Edmondson great? No. Was he solid? Yes. I liked him as an option. I did too. And I think that's – I like that. At least the team's going that way.

Now, the last thing, Trillium kind of answers his last question by saying, short answer, we have to look at everything. we've got good players but it hasn't worked duh now uh all that to say you're gonna hear a lot of people say well they didn't take accountability or they didn't do this or they didn't do that or i don't know any more than i did before yes you do first off you know you know sammy's as good as gone they're gonna find any if sammy is back as a as the leafs goaltender next year something's gone really wrong and he was their last option i mean we've seen it happen before i'll be stunned i'd be stunned um but again i was stunned when the leafs actively went after matt murray

uh as their goaltender and augmented that with peter morazic what was the plan there wasn't one steve that's oh uh that was a that was a bad day in montreal when we found out that was happening uh because that's when it was when we were we were in montreal for the draft when that happened we were we were i remember when that and and uh i don't remember freach has gone on the jeff Merrick show, by the way, over the course of this recording and said that he believes that he believes that Berube will be the head

coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs by the end of the weekend. End of the weekend? It's Friday. By the end of the weekend. All right. Kipper was saying, I think, earlier that they've made contact with Berube's camp, which would make sense. Did you listen to hear him say this or did you see a tweet? It's on Twitter. It's out there.

So I'm thrilled that todd mcclellan's name is not in there um because that's a babcock guy and i'm not interested we've been we've done that been there done that he's a babcock disciple no can i not into it can i say a terrible reality what lots of coaches are babcock uh disciples dude jim montgomery i know uh i contacted him before game seven and none of us wagged our finger oh i I didn't, listen, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I also think it's, it's, you've been down that road, find somebody else. Are you telling me there's only 40 guys?

Is that what you're telling me? Well, it's funny. The Leafs, they find themselves in this loop where they look at themselves and they go, wait a sec, we're the Leafs. We have to get someone with tenure. We have to get the best available because we can afford the best available and we demand the best available and you know that that's why i was so shocked 10 years ago now when they got kyle dubas because i was like this is the sort of guy they would never get and they're going to

develop him and it's going to go really well and i was right on some they didn't do that with sheldon either sheldon is a first time nhl head coach you know what you're right yes and they they didn't have that philosophy the last two hires so why not try it this time well now i i wonder if they're ever gonna do that again yeah i think they proved that we tried it both of those guys were here for a long time they didn't win we also didn't give them the freedom to do whatever they wanted because the head honcho up top brendan shanahan made most of the decisions but the first year head coach thing promoting the guy from literally the toronto marlies the hl to the head coaching job didn't work yes like he didn't get them over the hump also uh the leafs had a lot

less to lose back then there's a lot more on the line now you don't do a rookie head coach when you're in this part of the development you're at risk the next five years are matthew's supposed to be matthew's best supposed to be kneelander's best if if you miss on this and i because i i named those two because i think they're the ones that are going to be around leading this team uh you miss on those or you you get a bad coach now you're in i mean you are maligned forever we don't want to think about it this way but the reality is austin matthews will not play hockey forever there's gonna come a day when austin matthews isn't a toronto maple leaf anymore and if you don't capitalize on having one of the greatest goal scorers of his generation on your

team like you're gonna miss out on a huge opportunity and it's gonna be unforgivable for the franchise and who knows where the franchise is gonna be at five years from now if they don't win something and everybody moves on like are we gonna go back to a rebuild dude that gave me heart palpitations maddie just went but you look at you look at a situation where the san jose sharks are right now you look at the situation where the chicago blackhawks are right now when you have the chicago blackhawks i shouldn't even use the example because they won but yeah at least they won the san jose

sharks are i think the the best example they're a team that was very competitive for years and years and years they make a final they're in these there are western conference finals every year they're always in it and then they just fall short and then now look they're competing for the first overall pick they get it finally but you after years of competitiveness comes years of drought and with the leafs you need to get one within your window because eventually it's gonna come the other side where we're back in the the sunken place nope nope what if i live in ignorance until that day arrives the pittsburgh penguins they got theirs and now they're on the outside

looking in like if we want to throw in the teams that won the blackhawks are great example too you know they win now they're in the sunken place but nope yeah and then and then what conor bedard and then conor bedard they're gonna get one of the russian kids yeah they already got a bunch of the difference is the nhl wants chicago to do well they're trying to rebuild this franchise it's toronto they're gonna be successful whether the leafs are good or not we've already seen that you know like we've we saw 15 years of the least being bad do you think at any point gary betman picked up the phone to the maple leafs or the pension plan when they own that team and said guys guys hello hello if you guys are good imagine how much money you could make imagine not being

terrible and and by the way that's the way that's the reason shanahan's still here is the money they've made in the last 12 years he's got a great uh he's got a great ally in gary betman because here's what'll happen if if the leafs move on from shanahan here's what's going to happen the keith pelly will call gary betman and go who do you think that's what they did when they were looking for a general manager all right everyone thank you for coming today um we'll open the floor to questions i'd like to welcome uh the new president of the toronto maple leafs george paris do not be surprised oh god finally get some calls yeah i oh yeah you think it works that way yeah finally got some calls do not be surprised

with the leafs hire greg campbell too if the day if the uh if if shanny is not successful in this next year and making this team much better um do not be surprised to see him back in an nhl head office role almost immediately i don't i don't know no no don't be surprised i'm telling you oh fine i'm telling you like as as like is this advice you're giving me or like a command i am commanding you to not be surprised you're not allowed i will come to your house i will knock on your door and be like are you surprised you're my friend my patience is running thin with this organization and i hope so like i i hope it i hope the fans also feel that because it's been a long time and like i said it's you're not going to be a position where you have these

collective individuals who haven't been able to get it done but you clearly have something there in terms of the regular season success and if they don't find a way to get it done it's like what do we do here yep here's what i don't want fans who watch the leafs out of habit like i keep coming back to that video that guy uh and his name is every dad in the greater toronto area and like classic dad build to bald goatee pickle fingers real drives a truck pickle fingers yeah probably probably drives a truck yeah probably barbecues the shit out of anything you put in front of yeah saturday smoker day with the thing you're talking about the the flipper with the oh yeah you stick on it 100 you walk into the backyard and he greets you with here

comes trouble yeah and he he says uh oh yeah let's go out there and have fun like when he's watching sheldon keeves think dude i have uncles like that they watch them and they're like oh yeah there it is there oh yeah there you go god like i never want to be that but also they hurt so much less right they don't expect anything they're given nothing and they're not disappointed whereas i live and die for the stupid team and uh it's a lot more dying than living at least uh when it comes to the spring it was announced today that uh and i'm just going to do a quick aside on this one because i think it plays into the bigger picture it was announced today that the toronto market will get a wnba franchise this comes off the heels of the scotia bank arena being

sold out when the wnba came to town about a year and a half ago um and it was questioned at the time at the board level uh should we should we apply for a franchise and uh it was turned down and the reasons you were given for why it was turned down are probably incorrect it was reported at the time that uh that um the reason was they couldn't fit a wnba team into the into the um the schedule of scotia bank arena uh from what i understand and what i've heard it's not true uh it goes back to one of the telcos and i have my suspicions which one um saying i know saying listen no uh no there's two telcos bell rogers um saying listen we have three properties that lose money already why would we bring on a fourth now we've talked about this

many many times the idea of a sports franchise um losing money year over year is sort of thrown away when you realize that the value of the franchise tag itself goes up more than they lose month over month i'm not gonna lie i don't understand that okay so i have why does value go up if so i have a coffee cup money okay you have a coffee i have a coffee cup this coffee cup is worth i don't know what ten dollars ten dollars okay this coffee cup's worth ten dollars to fill this coffee cup up i have to spend uh uh a dollar a day on a coffee pod okay oh my god right but when i sell this coffee i can only sell it for 80 cents i'm losing 20 cents whatever but each year these these mugs which are very very hard to find there are very few mugs out there right go up in

price because there's very few of them oh it's the rarity of the mug the rarity of the mug because there are only so many franchises available because franchise values go up so that is why you know if you've only got licensed for 32 of these mugs so it's just a hockey card agreed 100 that's all that's all it is oh my god you put it in terms i can understand and so so uh i'm getting back to this um larry tannenbaum last spring sold a piece of his share of maple leaf sports and entertainment and is on track to sell the rest of it in 2026 uh to fund his new venture which as kilmer sports kilmer sports has seen a couple of higher ranking executives at maple leaf sports leave and go to kilmer and today it was announced by sharina med of cbc that um uh the wnba is

coming to kids to canada specifically toronto in 2026 under larry tannenbaum's other company they're going to play at coca-cola coliseum okay and the reason that the wnba franchise guys, was nixed again at Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment is because there is a group, and I believe it to be Rodgers, that are fanatical cost savers. That's the way it's been phrased. They are fanatical about saving costs. They're fanatical about cutting back. So you'll think about Mike Babcock. Or you think about the Masai Ujiri thing with Ed Rodgers that played out in public it wasn't that ed didn't like messiah's work it's that he said how is it that it's going to cost me 12 or 14 million dollars a year to retain this guy is there not somebody else that

we could get at 8 million that's the way that i think he makes something like that or whatever the number is god i wish i paid attention the point the point is that i think last year what happened in at the maple leaf sports and entertainment level and i think you might see this coming up is kyle dubas caught wind of the fact that and this is again what i've heard and my belief based on several people i've talked to maple leaf sports and entertainment specifically the rogers portion of it are not sold on the maple leafs having a president why do we have to have a president which you know makes seven or eight million dollars a year because that's reportedly shanney shanney's salary why do we have to have that when we could just have a ceo that oversees

it all general manager reports directly to the ceo kyle dubas hearing that went well i have a solution for you why don't i just report to you and that power play is the reason that he was let go because shanney stopped him because basically kyle was going to make shanahan's job null and boyd allegedly and it may happen next year allegedly allegedly all right because it's contracted so with the ww ww wmba stuff um it all weird it's weird how it plays out doug smith did the reporting on it at the time when the bid for the wmba team in toronto was nixon he said it plainly i'm going to read directly from his article in the toronto star he says sources who are granted anonymity in order to speak freely on the matter say the tense relationship between mlse

board member edward rogers and raptors vice president masai ujiri was a factor in the decision to drop the bid for the wnba team they also cite rogers ascension into in his family's tele telecommunications business which is a part owner in mlse and then he continued to say about the money issue you're talking about if we don't want to mix words and we know which part which side of the mlse board is in favor of not spending money it is the rogers side he said there are several issues at play the sources said the expected 50 million dollar u.s price tag payable in 10 increments of five million dollars one source said was a factor as were differences of opinion at the highest level of mlse ownership so larry tannenbaum wanted to do this rogers is flexing more muscle at

the board level and the organization isn't fully together on the issue and they have to get we know that they didn't want to spend the 50 million dollars and they're not a fan of masai because how the negotiations went with this contract and you need a net unanimous approval for this this isn't like a democracy it's like everybody's got to jump in and go yeah we're ready to do the wnba i'm just imagining the infomercial like it's a couch for 10 easy payments of five million dollars which is you can which mlsc can do i think oh yeah that's not a lot of money to them i think that they didn't want to spend it i think the pandemic um spooked some sports organizations i think that it was it's underreported how hard it was on maple league sports and entertainment

and the ownership group there um well it's all those people who go in the building they weren't there you see yeah and and so i think that that i think that may have led to it but anyway long story short i think that kyle probably caught wind that rogers wasn't thrilled with having that position in the first place i i can imagine that conversation like all right we got a guy making like six mil or whatever babcock was making and they're looking at how to cut costs and uh his name comes up it's like all right so what does this guy do here uh well he's a fired guy he does not work here yeah oh so we can't cut him who the hell fired him who the hell hired him who made this dumb ass decision i could just imagine that in the uh in the boardrooms absolutely that are

too high to see from the ground absolutely um okay so moving on uh unless you guys have anything else you want to add on the leafs go leafs okay go let's go go let's go like that can't wait till next season game one me too puck drop october 10th or whatever we're already looking forward to next year because our team's eliminated let's go it's coming home let's go it's coming home plan to pray um sammy start why why why are you giggling at what was that was uh that's england's World Cup one. Yes, coming home. How did that go? I may or may not

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You want to play it? Let's play it. And then we'll talk about the games. What a nice man. Let's talk about Sheldon Keefe. I think that Leaf fans, and rightfully so, what insights did you have as Sheldon Keefe as a person, really? like you didn't know much uh because he's your coach and that's that's all you know about but this video uh is taken i believe in front of lake ontario it's very serene uh he makes a good that's

a good background he picked right there not even a boat or barely any clouds in sight and it was a sunny beautiful day in toronto yesterday have a listen to one minute and 53 seconds of sheldon keep saying goodbye. Leafs Nation, time has come to say goodbye. Writing down a note, the birds, and sending it out didn't seem like enough, and I do plan on taking a little break from media, so here I am. I'm forever grateful for the opportunity to coach the Toronto Maple Leafs. It's a dream come true for a boy from Brampton. I want to thank Kyle Dubas, Lou Lamorello, Brad Treliving, Brandon Pridham, Brendan Shanahan, Larry Tannenbaum, and the MLSC board for giving me this opportunity to work with the Marlies and Leafs.

I didn't get it done in the playoffs. I didn't help push our team over the line and deliver. I accept responsibility for that. No excuses. That's the job, I didn't get it done. It's the reality of the business and I accept it. To the players, I appreciate all your efforts. Your talents and your work ethic made me look good on a lot of nights.

Anyone who suited up for blue and white, I appreciate you. support staff for the Maple Leafs. You're tremendous people and you're elite at what you do. Players and support staff will drive the team to success. I believe it will win. Leafs nation, you deserve your Stanley Cup. Your passion at home and on the road is unmatched. It's an incredible honor to coach the Maple Leafs, to try to deliver for you. To the media, that had to deal with you every single day sometimes twice a day three times a day I appreciate your part your process I've respected the fact that you're honest and fair and had a job to do I hope you appreciated the fact that I

helped you do it I don't know what comes next but I know we'll be ready for it in the meantime I'll enjoy giving my family the time that they deserve love you all be well i mean that's that's the new standard right like yeah it was great like that's incredible i think it was ryan hannah from the winged wheel was just like god that just the serene energy that washes over someone when they're no longer with the leaves is really palpable in this video um he looked like he just got had the weight of the world taken off of his shoulder yeah listen like oh my goodness i think if he had his way he'd still be the coach of the leafs but boy does that guy look content oh yeah yeah that is no longer my problem yeah yep he's jumping on a plane to

pittsburgh tonight and shut up and yes so he's going to new jersey he's going to pittsburgh you watch maybe with a pit stop in new jersey um he uh he got such a nice send-off too like brad living like went out of his way talk about what a good person like he's a good coach this is a good coach this is a good coach and i wanted to be like all right brad like people are going to start to think you did a stupid thing like if you keep saying that um but like you know a lot of people didn't like the job he did um i do think it was time um and i don't think when a coach gets fired it means they're a bad coach there are lots of great coaches stanley cup winning coaches multiple time stanley cup winning coaches um who get fired john cooper's probably gonna get fired

one day you know um unless he stays with tampa for 25 years like rod brindamore might might be this year and you won't be fired it'll just be because the team goes nah yeah like it's it's it's you know we're not gonna pay you because we're cheap i'm trying to think of someone who was with their team for like 15 or more years and the only guy i can name in recent memory anyway is barry trotz with the preds um that's it um i think he's he's a good coach he's gonna go somewhere he's gonna do well um the leafs need to take what he taught them and they need a new voice to teach them some new things um it wasn't working yep it wasn't working he made no excuses for it and you know i wonder you know it obviously hurts to not get it done and there's no fulfillment

there but um i think it's okay to fail in life as long as you um left nothing no stone unturned you did everything you possibly could and i mean that that's a guy that contentment on him suggests you know what guys i emptied the tank couldn't get it done it's time to move on just you also got to be uh very content when you're getting paid millions of dollars to sit on your butt that too hey it's not a bad situation to be in and justin fisher sent along a note of the longest tenured coaches in the big four sports you read them off for you uh 1996 the longest tenured head coach just by far greg poppet i forgot about popovich in san antonio then we got mike tomlin adams guy in pittsburgh mike tomlin uh pittsburgh hit steelers head coach

steelers fans don't always love mike tom john harbaugh the baltimore ravens head coach 2008 eric spolstra 2008 as well miami heats head coach and then after spolstra john cooper 2013 the one two three four fifth longest tenured coach in the four uh major professional pro sports i do want to throw out there the mike tomlin one is an asterisk because he was the assistant coach under bill cower when what do you mean when the steelers won their first super bowl since the 70s in 2006 Cowher was the coach is that this is it says January 2007 okay there

you go I just want to make sure because he retired after that I want to make sure I got the date wrong another thing Justin has sent along and I have seen as well is hearing that the Devils according to Pierre Lebrun have sought and received permission to speak with Sheldon Keefe and I was kidding when I said that just now it's just

it's been rumored I didn't know yeah according to Jeff Merrick Marner Tavares and Riley are quote on the table while Matthews and nylander are untouchable riley wow that i think that's a i think that's a relevant conversation can i can i make a point about the devils sheldon keith is inheriting jack hughes a well jack hughes uh an extremely talented young kind of soft team i'm fascinated to see what he does with it well he's going to coach sheldon keith or he's going to coach um sydney crosby

next year no he's going to the devils i think the devils wanted sullivan i think they were interested in mike sullivan yeah well i think go ahead and i think shelvin keith would be a perfect coach in new jersey the for ownership itself uh the idea that you don't have to pay him as much because the leafs can just cut the rest of that salary that you would have paid oh they would have loved that it's a nice little uh kickback there but shelvin keith with his experience he's gained in toronto i think will be the perfect guy to take the young soft players in new jersey to the next level he knows what toronto was missing with hindsight and he can get them to back to where they were in 2023 and not what we saw in 2024 all he has to do is say look at these guys

you want to be these guys so what happens better listen to me better listen to me you should listen to me i might know what i'm talking about do you want to be these guys you don't want to be these guys be these guys i'm telling you uh all he has to do is show them leaf's footage with what happens when you don't listen with the morgan riley being on the block thing i think it's it's a important thing to to note that like you look at the last few stanley cup winners what was the last time you had a stanley cup winner who did not have a top five defenseman in their lineup a top five yeah i'm counting i'm counting petro oh yeah i'm counting headman i'm counting kale mccarr and then we go back to petro in 2019 like what what's the last yeah what's the last team that

didn't have it uh the caps had i guess their best guy would have been john carlson that's probably our last team yeah 20 yeah but that's john carlson so like i mean not still he was still rocking like 30 goals yeah you need you need like i guess a marquee defenseman that's something the leafs have lacked through this entire stretch here and so i think the idea would be to keep riley and you move a piece like marner to get that marquee name back but i don't think it's about creating stuff on the edges anymore i think it's go get a name a big puck moving defenseman somebody who's marquee see now you got me thinking going back even further yeah latang latang latang latang um what's the last two uh latang latang uh chicago 2015 keith well keith seabrook dowdy

doughty yeah keith seabrook doughty keith seabrook uh or no no no sorry um chara keith seabrook um oh nine latang oh eight lidstrom lidstrom oh seven niedemeyer pronger oh god so oh six i'm trying to remember who the hurricanes really had like they had guys like glenn wesley um um they were a bit of an anomaly go look at that team on paper i know but it's also it's also so close to the lockout where the game changed that like it's it's a different kind of hockey different brand of hockey but when i did it in my head i was like since 2018 because i was like where do we put john carlson in that category i was like if you want to have one of these great stanley cup winning teams you need that guy so maybe not like top five might be aggressive but

no out of that list who's not top five i mean carlson yeah so you went back to 2007 if we stop at the hurricanes one team doesn't have the top five would letang still have been top five in 2016 and 17 letang's top 10 all time amongst defensemen no not the penguins yeah top 15 top 20 yeah yeah like i'm trying to you're asking me to go back you know years right so it's trying to think all right who was better than him back then my car wasn't in the league char was getting pretty old but he was pretty good you know it's i understand what you're saying well and you know power play needs to be better for the leafs it was good in that one series against samba that they won um you know who else was freaking unreal riley yeah he was good last

year it's the best performance they've ever got out of them and they won a series he's a tier under where i'd want my number one defenseman to be i think they lack a true number one star defenseman and i think that for me if i was gming the toronto maple east that would be my number one priority and you know the great thing about top defensemen is they're out there well i was gonna say so so many of the guys i just mentioned are draft picks you have a guy named mitch marner that you can move yep who is a star player yep yep you can move him you might want to ask mitch uh get him on the phone guys text them guys don't you play into that listen i think so too adam don't you play into that you think that the leafs can get the mitch marner to wave his no move yes

and i think they will and i think he's he i would i would guess that he's ready Why are you so confident in that opinion? Well, because life can be pretty uncomfortable when you play for a team that doesn't want you. And players have feelings. And if you get out on the ice next year and you have not waited... Okay, people forget this.

I'm going to bring you back to my era. Trade deadline 2007, maybe 2008. Toronto Maple Leafs have the best player in franchise history, Matt Sinde. I'm going to say 2008. And Matz is 6'4", God. And even in the dead puck era, scored a lot of points for the Leafs. And Matz, the Leafs try to trade Matz.

And it turns out to be for, like, Jeff Carter and a first-round pick from the Philadelphia Flyers. And Matz says, no. And he's well within his rights to do that. People forget this because time heals. But do you think the Toronto Maple Leafs fans reacted well to that? Absolutely not. It took a couple of years, even for Matz. Probably more than a couple of years.

I think it soured the relationship for a while. It soured the relationship. Matz was pissed. The Leafs were pissed. Leaf fans were really pissed. Why are you staying here, Matz? Well, it's my contractual right. Yeah, but why are you staying here?

You know we're not going anywhere. Why can't you help us with the future, Matz? Go have a good run with Philadelphia. Didn't do it. Whatever his reasons were, were his reasons. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. He'll move it.

I don't know about Tavares. Tavares, that's the wild card for me. I really, really, I don't even know if Morgan Riley has a no trade. I have no idea. Big family, man. But Riley does. Here's the thing. Neither of these guys will move until after July 1st.

And the reason for that is that after July 1st, the Leafs have paid out both of their bonuses to the max. I think Tavares will make $900? Less than a million dollars after July 1st. Mitch is $725 million in signing bonus. And his base salary, like the actual cash that the team has to pay, is $775. So the way it was phrased to me by somebody who would know, when we talk about moving Mitch Marner is,

so people are like, oh, the Leafs are going to lose the Mitch Marner trade. No, they're not. 31 teams are calling about Mitch Marner. The other thing is. He gets to pick the one. He gets to pick the one. Yeah. But all the packages will be good. And are they going to come out as the big winner in this trade? Maybe not, but I think they're getting a significant asset back. And if you are a team making this case internally, even if you're a budget strap team,

you're getting Mitch Marner for 900 grand and then potentially for eight more years. So whatever your overall number is that you're paying Mitch, the way they'll look at it internally is okay let's say it costs 88 million dollars to retain mitch okay let's say that's what the number is i'm sure it'll be closer to 100 maybe it's 100 million dollars that 100 million dollars isn't over eight years it's actually over nine that's how they'll look at it internally is we got mitch for free one of these years so actually the average is further down for us that's how they look at it and and the same thing with john tavaris john tavaris his his cap is what his cap is people like oh he's gonna make no no he's not gonna make the Leafs are gonna pay him

his bonus July 1st and then if he agrees to move some team is gonna get him for nine hundred thousand dollars and guess what they get to hit the cap floor fabulous fabulous I think with Tavares if that deal happens you're gonna see him go to a major a major franchise with a contract that they don't want to pay that's LTIR. And one thing that Marc Antoine and Arp and Basu, they brought up on theirs is, Montreal would sure love to get out of paying Carey Price. Toronto, it doesn't matter.

And for anybody that doesn't think John would do that, John did meet with them. They were one of the six teams he would have agreed to go to. No, wait, no. Didn't he not take the meeting? Oh, did he not take the meeting? Or whatever. There was real interest on that.

There was interest. I don't know. Maybe he didn't say it. Maybe he said nah. Pretty sure he said goalies go. Well, he said goalies go to everybody. So don't... And maybe Montreal is not the destination,

but you could see how teams would look at that. And the teams don't have... The Leafs, I think, are clear of their LTIR as of this spring. Yeah, Taveras didn't meet with the Canadiens. There you go. Lol. Well, they would keep him close to Southern Ontario if he wanted to stay.

I think if you can afford a plane, everything's close to Southern Ontario. jesse why are you zooming ew don't pick john tavarez's nose and that's not to say john's a bad guy but change needs to happen this is what it is i'm curious the one i'm most curious about is morgan riley that's the one i'm most interested in you know that's the to me has he's in the second year of uh what is the eight-year contract and he does have a no move clause oh boy so morgan riley would be a little tough to move but i think if you pay our morgan riley with something i think we got something cooking that's an enormous freaking deal

nah it'd be fun yeah it'd be fun all right i'm in it for the fun steve one way is 20 million dollars in cap coming the other way like i don't know it's fascinating summer i think it's very possible to make a trade i do too don't go look at the matthew kachuk trade anyway hey it looked good on paper it looked good on paper it did 100 and something point guy 70 assist guy yeah yeah anyway shall we move on we have to end the show okay we didn't have time for the press conference uh sorry guys we didn't get to the other series we didn't get to the carolina sweeper canes uh we didn't get to the questions that you promised last episode i know i'm sorry there was a big thing that happened right yeah a big thing it's not my fault you

All three of us share responsibility here. Matty put John Tavares' face back on the screen for no reason. Here it is. No, we're not going to pick his nose again. Stop picking his nose! Fire the intro. Do not pick John Tavares' nose. Please, Jesse. You don't have to give him credit. He had

his nose hair trimmed that day. Why are you rubbing his teeth? Oh, yeah. Don't say, oh, yeah! He looks so young and fresh in that picture, eh? I can't get closer. Oh, I can! What's wrong with you? Stop it.

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