The Steve Dangle Podcast - Pittsburke | February 11, 2021

Episode Date: February 11, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve's football throwing challenge (00:00), Coyotes terminate the contract of Steve Sullivan (03:45), Celebrate with Frosted Flakes (07:30), who wore the crown? (09:00), the Leafs beat Canadiens (17:00), Jesse Marshall of The Athletic joins the show to talk about the Pens (42:00), John Tortorella benched Patrik Laine (1:06:00), a quick note on Doug Wilson (1:22:00), and fighting childhood Mike Tyson (1:27:00). Originally aired: February 11, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/bEHtpLccwYI We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: http://theathletic.com/sdp​ Visit this episode's sponsors: https://ca.manscaped.com/​ http://betmgm.com/​ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

guys i want to start the show with the request normally we'd save this for the end but i think it's important given where the super bowl talk started on monday this is from gary on twitter are you guys ready so ready gary said i hope there's a challenge with steve dangle throwing of football one day and so like what what we're hoping is that can we well no i think like what is this because because you're not a big you're not a big football guy right i think gary just wants to see you throw a football i think i can throw it okay i just i don't know anything about the sport i i can throw one i'm not advertising i can throw it good i'm not gonna make the argos or you know who's the best football team in the world it's the argos right

is it another one did i get it wrong am i behind the time it might be i think they might be having a parade as we speak oh good so good good yeah no i think uh steve i'd like to see a video of you throwing a football man i want to see a video of you throwing a football there i will post a video of me throwing a football i want i just think it's a good idea is it just throwing it or like are there targets no there needs to be no you need to hit something you know

what are you throwing at the old school king of the hill you get the you get the giant drum or a tire you gotta you got a tire you gotta throw it through the tire fucking tire how am I gonna throw okay

I'm throwing it straight at your truck i'm confident that my truck will be okay windows up and it's not a football it's a rock and f you wow wow yeah guys can you believe spiral and will you uh will you do that steve do you have a football i don't know i don't have one no i can buy one i can purchase one at canadian tire or another establishment that would be good preferably a local store and make it happen. I want to throw one, too.

And I know Jesse will win this because Jesse has the athletic gifts of a gut. You didn't stipulate anything. Basically, the stipulation is who can throw the football the best of the three of us. All right. This is sounding a lot like Russian. How do you spell best?

Spell best. It's best. I want to see who can do it. Spell it. So tight as spiral. Tight as spiral. Done. There's something.

Done. And you know what? for extra points let your dog loose try to go full air butt on the golden receiver baby let's go no football is bigger than my dog so uh no you get to throw one of those little foam ones i got i got one of those little yeah ones at nargo's game once and i got a cheerleader to sign it and i was really excited because i was 12 did did she catch it can she can your can uh can she catch jesse waffles oh yeah uh she's okay she's okay she's okay she's little so like if if i throw a ball like it'll just hit her in the face

sometimes but sometimes she'll like bite at it she's so tiny she can't do much okay she's pretty cute she's very tiny except for it doesn't like bendy my dog who is mega waffles she's waffles but bigger does not like her apparently yeah they don't get along that's okay you know i think we can find a way for them to get along and my two dogs lays around all day doing nothing so it's time to put them to work i think so that's what i'm gonna do degenerates tell them oh yeah get a nerf football there you go corner living what have you been doing now um before we get started here um the phoenix coyotes have terminated the contract of uh assistant general manager and evp of hockey ops steve sullivan apparently according to craig morgan on twitter he worked

very closely with john shaka obviously we know what happened with john shaka with the whole testing uh athletes before they were drafted illegally and the arizona coyotes being fined a bunch of draft picks and john shaka uh being suspended from the nhl altogether until 2022 um steve sullivan basically and and it was kaylee sibley who does uh sports nets twitter account who's really cool amazing she retweeted this and said posting the link with no copy is cold and she's absolutely right they just threw the link up there and that was it well who knows and fired that person too like i don't well i mean who knows what's going who's like man can the coyotes do anything normally no no absolutely do anything even if you do need to get rid of somebody fast

and who knows what this could be about if it's about something untoward i understand you know if we're talking bad stuff here completely understand getting it out there but even so like it's just there's just every time something happens with the coyotes it just feels like where's the function you know what i'm saying fast but fast out of like if this is related to the john jacob controversy with the with the yeah with with the training or not not the training the testing uh for the draft that controversy is a solid year old like it's this is not recent and you know you mentioned the mitchell miller stuff uh when we were preparing for the show the the draft pick who had the horrible incident when he was 14 and then the coyotes end up ended up

relinquishing his rights shortly after they drafted him that even that was months and months ago now and steve sullivan was at the helm and i remember part of the conversation was uh that seems like the sort of thing he could have prevented or handled better and now it's the middle of february and they're terminating it what what the hell is going on and there will be no replacement too so it's like they're eliminating the position so who is running the arizona coyotes well they have a general manager who was the his name isn't his name like doug wilson like he worked with uh st louis they have a gm um his name is uh yeah yeah i know i read an article in the athletic and i was actually going to bring it up in the summer before something else broke there was something

serious that broke that prevented me from doing that story but this guy did that they did this whole write-up about the coyotes gm it was actually before the mitchell stuff bro bill armstrong that's who it is he worked with doug armstrong i think um and uh anyway his his like the athletic profile on him i'm like this guy's bananas like he's nuts and uh like the i'm gonna have to find the article where i have to go through it because it it was one of those ones where you're like i'm i'm not sure whether to admire this or laugh at it like it's just just so hockey um definitely worth checking out the most hockey he's one of the most hockey men ever he lives in a uh a hotel across from the rink so he could be there at five in the morning

i'm not kidding that's a real thing sleeping bag no hockey bag yes right equipment is right so i'm curious as to what happened that why today was the day you know why was today the day that's what's interesting to me but we'll we'll worry about that a little bit later uh in the meantime let's get to after the Leafs and Habs squared off last night Tony the Tiger and we're gonna find Selly of the of the game really it's Selly of the game good so Steve who are you giving it to it's graceful oh I was waiting for our friend Anthony um I can I can it be can it be and it can be because I'm making the decision it can be are you sure it can be it can be it can I can it marcus can be what a great celly i also remember marcus can be there tony anthony the

tiger um it's gonna be a three-way tie it's a three-way tie because i love first career nhl goals are always pure but snake bitten streak breaking goals oh all those those are pure and funny and we saw three count them three last night against the Montreal Canadiens Travis Dermott with the most clear and pronounced wow even by hockey standards after he scores Justin Hall with the very simple just he forgot he doesn't he does not remember how to celebrate a goal and Ilya Mikheyev with the most childlike I thought this would never happen again goal celebration on what would end up being the game winning goal, Ilya Mikheyev, game winner, I got to give a three-way tie because for all three of them,

it was just so pure and brought me so much happiness. And I loved it. There you go. That's your Selly of the game. Brought to you by Frosted Flakes. Great Selly. We're really in sync today there, Tone. Jesse.

What's up? I hope that you have our, we hope that you have your sponsor ready to go here because it's time to get into Who Wore the Crown. Oh boy, do I. because you know who uh hit my inbox today they're like oh wow you know what people don't talk about us enough so i'm gonna pay for a sponsorship on the steve dangle podcast and sponsor this segment who wore the crown it was the mustache comb the mustache comb whoa all right all right

i thought you were going to say the arizona coyotes uh no no no no please no don't talk about us please we have enough the mustache well the who wore the crown today is brought to you by the mustache comb when you have a mustache you need to comb it out why not comb it out with a mustache comb all right starting with steven as we always do steve tell us do speak on the person you doth give the crown to well adam i doth give the crown to someone who uh i was getting a fair amount of criticism about uh on twitter during and after the game and admittedly for not the first time this season this person had a visually unappealing game and then you look at the score sheet you look at the plays that mattered the most and he's all over it like doo-doo on velcro

and so i gotta give it to john tavaris who who beyond getting a couple very important assists in this game you you got to watch the way he just drags other teams defenders away from his teammates and then sets up those open teammates but apart from those two points he also got a bloody nose because a mountain with a beard decided to fall on his head and neck he went into concussion protocol oh not good and then he comes back and helps sets up a goal almost immediately so my mustache comb ground goes to jonathan taveras being a dad folks just say things wrong thank you and people laugh thank you jesse jesse i know everybody's waiting in anticipation for yours but you're gonna have to wait through mine first and

then hear jesse's i know it's a surprise every time it's a surprise every time with jesse in the meantime uh i would like to give mine to jake the steak muzzin because he looks like a piece of man meat out there just he's all man he's all the time he's scary to play against and apparently he didn't have a great game last night according to fancy stats however he did get three assists and he is on undoubtedly the most reliable defense pairing that the toronto maple leafs have had since probably uskavage markov i'm not kidding if this is a hall hall muzzin is a fantastic uh story um and it's funny don decision actually tweeted he's like can you believe that mike babcock looked at justin hall and said no justin hall i think has probably been the best defenseman

consistently for what he does what his role is he's fulfilled his role the best on this team thus far this year and i think he's able to do that because jake muzzin is jake muzzin and he's a fantastic ad not always the pretty plays nobody wants to play against him and three assists too not bad not bad at all and and like i don't blame him as much as everyone else did for that first goal because even though he gave the puck away it was i mean it was that or die because josh anderson was out for blood on that first shift it was almost willie the first time and i had visions of Patrick Laine getting decked by Jake McCabe with the speed he was coming at him with.

But Jake Muzzin, he lived to fight another day and he got three assists in the game. What a beaut. Producer Jesse, or not known as Producer Jesse here. He's just Jesse here. On Virgin, he's Producer Jesse, so we can name tag him so everybody knows who he is. Here, he's just Jesse.

Sorry, Jesse. That's okay. Hockey isn't always about what's on the ice. So I'm going to take my crown this week. I'm going to take it off the ice. Because sometimes hockey and sport is about supporting the people around you. And specifically in this case, your family. So William Nylander, one player for the Toronto Maple Leafs, is not often on Twitter.

But he is on Twitter. And we know that because your likes are public. This is a public thing. Like you don't have private likes on Twitter as long as you have a public account. Everybody can see what you're always liking. And William Nylander, who apparently doesn't use Twitter, is always liking his brother Alex's tweet. If you go through William's likes, he has liked every single tweet that Alex has ever tweeted. And if that's not what a brother is for, then I don't know what is.

So just this week, I'm going to take my crown off the ice and just show that like family comes first. And William Nylander loves his brother's tweets. And I support that. i and jesse you're burying the lead with with william nylander uh first of all his uh username wm nylander his bio toronto maple leaves give me the puck winky face but it's not the winky emoji it's the winky face that one's mother or aunt would uh send to them but more importantly this is his second uh twitter uh name this is not his first twitter name oh he was snizz bone acting like we all forgot he was snizz bone what does that mean i don't know but i'm pretty sure

it's something sexual and he got rid of it so snizz bone no more but next time he scores a goal he will be snooze bone we read a story from uh uh we have this uh thing segment we do on the morning show called um jack's the love guru and basically jesse reads an email because we get a bunch of people asking like love advice and stuff like that and jack's is the one with a brain on our show so we you know make her the love guru and jesse what was the term that you used today to tease the segment before we went into it. We played a song, and you said... Snoo Snoo.

See, that's the... Instead of sex. For the younger folks out there, 20 years ago in 2001, there was a show called Futurama. And Futurama had an episode where the characters went to another planet, and on that planet was a bunch of Amazon people,

and Amazon women specifically. and there was a thing on the on the planet where you could have death by snoo snoo and it's when you die by sex with the Amazon women and this is what happened on an episode of Futurama so I like snoo snoo

there's a pit full of skeletons with just shattered pelvises first you will be made love to by the large women and then the very large women and then the large women again I like that this is a very funny show I have not since I was nine.

I haven't forgotten death by snooze. No, it's good to know the general maturity of this show. It's perfect. It's perfect. All right. So that is who wore the crown for this week brought to you by the mustache comb. The next time you grow a mustache, why not? Why not?

Comb it out because it's a mustache and it deserves to be combed and treated well. Hey, God, be nice to your mustache people. Hey, we wanted to mention to you guys also that Jason Spezza joined Scott Burnside and pierre lebrun on the wednesday episode of the athletic hockey show this week so you got to go check that episode out when you're done listening to us because we come first right thank you although we love jason spezza we love his laughs and we love his hat tricks more of those please jason and make sure you subscribe to the athletic hockey show so you can catch all the great guests insights and episodes every monday wednesday and thursday so um let me ask you this guys

let me answer i have a question do you think you know because what would you say our our main goal is with this show every week oh man to not have sore back by the end of it okay all right because we're getting older okay fair enough entertain folks jess what's your what's what's the goal with this show jesse entertain for sure right it's got to be up there you know i would say the biggest stories in hockey snoo snoo am i right boys yeah reference snoo snoo and get it in with each other yeah over you guys are the closest you guys are the closest contact i have to humanity it's great it's fantastic now let me ask you this have you thought about

the duty of this show we know what the goal is but but the duty that's right i said duty of this show is to tackle the important questions the important question we missed who is biased but guys the important question we must tackle today most important of all how guys did the dominant second place montreal canadians lose to the underperforming first place Toronto Maple Leafs how did it happen how does something like this go on do we need a Netflix documentary on how the dominant king of the division Montreal Canadiens who were always going to win did not in fact win against the team that has been objectively better than them all of this season well I feel bad for the spoilers folks but what did that game and Deadpool 2 have in

common the juggernaut lost ah i love it i love it no hey listen though even if the leafs had lost that game which they didn't by the way did you see it it was great i saw it i saw that they didn't it was great even if the leafs had not lost that game i was talking to eric angles about this when was the last time both the leafs and canadians were one and two in their division this far into the season apparently 1939 they referenced it on the broadcast cool i missed that little bit okay do you remember what they said i 39 no i believe it was the the 60s was it not oh my goodness even so so they haven't played each other in the playoffs since 1979 it's been an extraordinarily long time leafs habs games are always fun always yep always fun no matter if the

leafs suck and the habs are good or the habs suck and the leafs are good now they're both great at the same time and literally first place is on the line when they play it's the best it is the damn best and you know what makes it even better the leafs one leafs are best for now for now the Leafs are certainly biased. And let's look at this. The best 14-game starts in Leafs history, and we understand that that's a bit of a wonky one. However, the 34-35 Leafs started 12-2-0.

44-41 started 12-2-0. 93-94, they won the first 10 games, 11-1-2 in their first 14, and this year's Leafs, 11-2-1. Pretty incredible. And going into this game, Leafs goal scoring slumps from Travis Dermott ended at 405 games. Sorry, 405 days.

Ilya Mikheyev, 407 days. Not games, days. Both of them had not scored for a calendar year or more. Mikheyev had not scored since he went down with the lacerated hand. He scored that game, believe it or not. I think it was against the Devils. I think he might have had two. Yeah, he was.

If you had told me that Dermott, Hall, and Mikheyev would be the main goal scorers on a goalie and then hyman was like i would have believed you about hyman with the empty net that's what he does that's the most believable one yeah it is the most believable one paul mckay of dermot in the same game carrying this team sort of surprising well and earlier in the shift i forgot to mention this in the lfr but earlier in the shift where dermot scored i was screaming at him to shoot because he had a wide open look and he decided not that wide open and it turns out he was right um i just i can't help but cheer for this guy we already talked about how he's a puppy dog but i think he really loves being a leaf and you look at his situation and the contract talks

and how he's been sort of in and out of the lineup i can't help but wonder if it was a different person in a different market if he would already have another team but he doesn't it's travis and the toronto maple leafs i think this guy wants to win with the toronto maple leafs and let's be frank like all the hype coming into the season surrounding miko letnan all the high hopes that people have for rasmus sandin i mean it's not fair we've seen five and a half minutes of rasmus sandin but right now travis dermot is at worst the leaf six best defenseman he should be in the top six i'd probably have him higher than sixth um so it's great to see him finally get one a guy who's always cheering on his teammates um and they had a chance to give it right back to him

you know and i want to talk a little more about justin hall's game like we kind of did mention it in the uh in the earlier segment but justin hall has been especially when he got teamed up with muzzin last year has become a revelation now we knew we knew that he was one of the guys on the right side that could get a puck out of the zone zone exits on the right side were a real problem for the Toronto Maple Leafs for a long time I remember the first two games that Hall scored was like on the dad's trip his dad was there for both of them two games in a row pretty sweet and then he went back down and and even though he had good underlying numbers and clearly from the eye test was making smart choices most of the time when he was allowed in the lineup which

was rare under Mike Babcock Mike Babcock just didn't like him and wouldn't blame for no reason and it's funny for no reason yeah and one of the great things it well of course and you look at the play now and and how good he's been since and it's interesting that basically since Sheldon Keefe took over Justin Hall's been this guy and he's the ultimate late bloomer he's like 29 30 years old and yeah draft 2010 yeah so like this is a guy who really fought and stuck it out and shouldn't be with the Leafs still should have lost him on waivers should have probably never he signed him should have this should have that and here he is he's got his you know his three year extension uh but which he's in the first year of and he's playing like they were hoping

he would now towards the end of last season he wasn't after he signed that extension but it seems like he's kind of settled in with Jake Muzzin and honestly Justin Hall's career took off when Sheldon Keefe took over as the coach he did especially with the Toronto Maple Leafs and he's believed in him for a long time and also as long as we're on this conversation Kyle Dubas and Dubas has done a good job uh pillaging actually uh Chicago Blackhawks castoffs because there was a goal uh the other night in a Calgary Flames game and they go Byron Fraze gives the Flames the lead and I went there is a name I haven't heard in a very long time but fourth round pick of the Chicago Blackhawks in 2009 and he goes through the ECHL never really makes it

the blackhawks just cast him aside and he was an echl loan to the marlies when uh dubas got him then he ends up signing him to an nhl contract and i think they got about 100 games nhl service out of him that's wonderful justin hall it's a second rounder from 2010 here's how everyone got it wrong on justin hall he was the second rounder who the blackhawks let walk mike babcock could not find any use for him and they announced on the broadcast a few games ago and i didn't realize this he was a uh i think it was you of minnesota teammate of travis boyd but not just teammate line mate you know why they were line mates because he was a forward everyone got it wrong with this guy including myself because i didn't even think he was one of the leafs top six

and it wasn't because of the way he played i suppose it was the way he was used we're now i still have not forgiven mike babcock for a lot of things but near the top of the list is the hall and ojaganov pairing oh how dare you how dare you make me watch that how dare you well and and and people say and they're right how do you justify hiring a coach that said no i'm taking ojaganov over hall for 82 games it's not even hiring it's there were so many times forget the offside of off ice stuff by the way but right right yeah beyond the off ice stuff this was a coach who no matter how many times they said all were aligned were a lot this was a coach who very obviously and publicly undercut his general manager read his boss at every turn he gives up

three very valuable assets to get jake muzzin and the first comment out of the coach's mouth is that he doesn't shoot right-handed you know what i mean fine you want nick batan in the lineup i'll throw nick stupid batan in the stupid lineup and look it failed because i told you it would fail oh you signed jason spezza great i never wanted him here's nick shore like just so many examples of the coach undercutting his general manager seemingly on purpose now there's actual collaboration in there is Sheldon Keefe a better coach than Mike Babcock I can't tell you I I am not enough of a hashtag hockey man to tell you what I can tell you is he is a far better coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs he doesn't undercut his boss behind the scenes I'm sure they argue

I'm sure they have hellfire and brimstone screaming I've heard they've I've heard they have actually so do we yeah so do we it's good for you damn it but like i don't think adam or jesse are stupid at the end of it i'm like let's get a beer oh wait we can't because of covid or something like that you know what i mean it's they actually have a coach who listens to and collaborates with the general manager and it's given opportunities to guys like guys like justin hall they weren't wrong on him this was a guy who i thought based on the way he played because of the way he was used i thought maxed out as an ahl guy real good ahl guy and now we're finding uses for him nick patan let's throw into the conversation there's a guy who i thought maxed

out as an exceptional ahl player we're talking every year ahl all-star game they found a use for him in their top 12 they found a use for him as a right when they needed to on the fourth line when they needed to well like when who knows when when thornton and robertson are back and simmons is back but tan's not playing probably not no but almost definitely has been a useful has been a useful player in the meantime if there's anybody that's played their way in and jesse i know you're about to say something i just want to throw a name out there for you guys travis boy oh awesome awesome he did miss a great last night but yeah so good i'd never really even never even really i knew of him but i didn't know he was like that jesse what did you want to say

and yet yeah just nick patan not making the lineup is a good thing right because that means we have enough forwards to cover that depth and that's what the leaf should be at it shouldn't be where we need nick patan to play some serious minutes it should be like no we got thornton and simmons and the rest of them to fill those holes and this is why you have him by the way you have him for this situation it's just in recent years um they they were like ridiculously healthy and that put the team in a situation that made it look like josh levo was literally in prison but like this year thank goodness they have all these guys you know yeah yeah well and also josh levo was going to play over mike babcock's dead body let's be honest oh yeah unbelievable there's another guy

where you're like man we could get 15 goals out of that guy like you know who would you rather have levo or bc at this point and you know what let's throw another name in there because levo i remember could not get into the lineup and i want to say it was a game against boston because i was there yes this was the boston game where patrick marlo scored the overtime winner and the leafs had the lead and levo completely goofs up at some point during the game and boston scores i think to tie it and that guy got sent to madagascar because he couldn't get into the lineup finally gets in the lineup and then he makes a mistake and we that was basically it that was basically it pierre engvall is the new that guy whatever that is um but he's getting opportunities and he's

continuing to get opportunities and you're seeing him change his game up a bit he took that stupid penalty that high stick penalty and i got annoyed it's his third penalty in five games for a guy who's struggling to stick in the lineup that's not good enough but he's very clearly like all right i'm in the bottom six i gotta do bottom six things and he threw a couple big hits that i didn't even know he was capable of so it's amazing to see you know teamwork on a team and it's weirdly helpful yeah yeah weirdly well because you have a role to play and play that role now the uh objectively Montreal played a better game last night I think overall um but some of the stats some of the yeah in the first for sure um but as arpin basu pointed out in the athletic and so eric angles

i think pointed out as well they have an urgency issue and it's so funny to see another team with an urgency issue because that has literally been the leafs they've been tattooed on their forehead urgency and i could say coming out of last the start of last night's game that's where the leafs were at no urgency but what what's amazing about the toronto maple leafs this year is their ability to kind of go in and go okay we're going to win it now and that's something we've never seen before and shut her down and lock her down except for morgan riley temporarily losing his mind for some reason i don't know the way at the end of the game was unbelievable i don't it was like it was like flashbacks to jake gardner man it really was dude uh like what what i said in the

lfr today is and this is a little bit of broadcasting their kids you never want to be the first person the camera pans to after you get scored on that's a really good point it's oh mark asking whoever the director is in the truck they're like him what where's the morgan riley cam right there uh so i i felt bad for him there um but sheldon keith after the game um i guess sort of stuck up for his guys because i think he knew i i don't know what metric you're talking about adam where people said the habs outplayed them oh you know they have those like those like games that are like hot like the between the two teams that deserve the window meter yeah yeah that's it that's it yeah so i don't i can't tell you how good the leaf scoring

chances were and let's be honest the three that they did score i i would not expect to get three of those goals in a game against carrie price very often um but they did um but no sheldon keith after the game said uh the leafs really limited the scoring chances for the montreal canadians and they did how many truly dangerous situations like freddie's got to have the first one in my opinion it's a scoring chance um the second goal is obviously a scoring chance it was a complete disaster in front but like other than that i can't really think of many like situations where freddie had to save his team's ass you know what i mean and he hasn't really had to do that very much this season the volume is like the past two games he's had a heavier workload than his

opponent in that yep but the amount of times he really had to come up big pretty safe game right and like the heavier workloads like uh the game before this one after like the three minute stretch where the least scored was it two or three goals in that little period two two goals and then after that then it's the other team chasing the least right so you're gonna have a heavier workload because the least got this quick lead and the same thing happened with the Montreal game the Leafs get out there and they get out in front and then Montreal's chasing the Leafs so you're gonna get these more shots on Freddie so he has to expect that and it's not just those two games the Leafs are almost always playing with the lead now exactly which is amazing

yes it's a good thing which is very rare I'm getting messages in my inbox like hey quietly uh this is uh never seen the Leafs play like this and it's funny because no you haven't uh you've never seen the Leafs play like this and and they're like and here's it always is with the asterisk when's it gonna end people are like you know this can't last right it's the Leafs now I found it interesting yesterday that Carey Price seemed to be the whipping boy with Habs Nation with a lot of the people tweeting did you not see that I saw a ton of people tweeting about how upset they were with Carey Price well he had an under 900 save percentage coming into the game like that's not ideal no it's not ideal I mean Freddie was dealing with that too but if

you look at a safe percentage five on five it's a 919 and high danger 938 high danger safe percentage of 938 now to give you an idea of how that compares to safe you know freddie anderson and i know that all goals count i get that but um but freddie anderson's high danger safe percentage is an eight 49 currently. Oh, now his safe percentage, five on five, nine 36, not bad, but the carry price. I mean, I understand that, that the Habs expect him to be the best goalie in the world. And he is the highest paid and him and Bobrovsky. Um, I don't think he's had a bad year uh and i don't know i mean i don't think either haves goalie has um so when you do lose uh i don't know that carrie price is the guy here i think sometimes and i'll be honest with you here

you lose to good teams you're a good team you lose to good teams that can happen and it's not it's not incumbent on it's not on one player especially the goalie uh but it's rarely on one player i'm gonna stick up for carrie price here because i think he's had a great year and I'm not really sure certain why people are being so hard on Montreal you're second like if you're a Habs fan you are second place in this division and any your goalie gets hotter than he currently is and he's doing pretty well and you guys sort out whatever's going on in your penalty kill um I don't know man I wouldn't want to face Carey Price in the playoffs if you're a Montreal fan do you look at a goal like Dermott's and you say hey that shouldn't go over your

shoulder we pay you 10.5 million dollars to stop a puck that's sniped from a defenseman uh from above the circle you know it's like do you get upset when you're when you're yelling at your tv because he let in a a snipe from dermot out of the three that were scored that's probably the softest but like that's a dart that's a real good shot really well placed and other than Mikheyev's goal which was a chip off the rush like Justin Hall and Travis Dermott just wide wide open looks just completely wide open looks and you're not getting a glimpse at how bad carry prices you're getting a glimpse at how good NHL shooters are when you like you got to at least you got to get a stick in there you got to have a hand on them you got to take time away like

Travis I think that's maybe the most important thing for Dermott and Hall on their two goals is they had so much time an unbelievable amount of time you're not having to pick and choose where you're shooting it uh you're just putting it wherever you want right as long as you execute and nhl players given the time will execute whether they're you know elite or at the bottom of your lineup right and and i think the i think the the i understand the disappointment from habs nation but i think we got to keep something in mind here this team was 24th last year 24th and um as as i told you at the beginning of the season i'm hesitant to crown any team that goes from 24th to you think first place i just it doesn't happen that much in the nhl where team

not not only they finished close to last because that has come somewhat close to last but it's it's rare that they even jump to the playoffs the next year so that's incredible on its own and we saw the Leafs do that a few years ago but they barely squeaked in you you've got a lot of new additions to this team you got a lot of systems to figure out they are playing well but I also want to throw some stats at you the Montreal Canadiens have a record of eight three and one they are good four and oh against the Vancouver Canucks this year they are four three and one versus everyone else oh i mean that's above 500 it is well it's actually 500 it's one game above 500 and uh i know that that's good enough to get you third in the canadian division apparently

yes it is that difference here is the leafs are two and over versus montreal and nine two and one against everybody else yes they've played more games but there's a difference there and the leafs have been trying to get up this damn hill and thank god that tampa and boston aren't in the division this year because it's probably helping them um you know the the reality is i don't think you can pin that all on carrie price i think the much the montreal canadians as i said a couple weeks ago have beaten up on a shitty canucks team who are just lost and are figuring it out but they're not going to be crowned and let me say this pretty tough to crown the montreal canadians if they don't win on saturday pretty tough to see how they can win the division at all if they don't

beat the Leafs Saturday because here's what we're looking at if they don't win Saturday the Leafs have taken three of the first 10 games of this series now I know there's 10 games left but they'll have 25 points I know I know they'll have 25 points at that point the Canadians will stay at 18 and they will risk having both Edmonton who's played more games and Winnipeg who's played less passing them in the next few days so you can understand why I was a little bit hesitant and Montreal Canadiens fans were all over me. But I'm right. The reality is the Montreal Canadiens aren't quite there yet.

They might get there by game 30, 35, 40. Doubt it. I think they're a second place team this year. Don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I was hesitant to say, are the Habs that great? And I'm also, I think the Flames are way underplaying their record. I think the Calgary Flames are way, way better than what they've shown. And they're going to figure it out.

with a team with jake markstrom like you see what happens to the canucks without markstrom look at what the flames are they were the team that should have made it every year for the last three years they finally got a goalie they're gonna figure this out well and it's gonna be a dog fight and the the team that's really sneaking in there that for some reason we're not talking about nearly enough the winnipeg jets guys who picked them you did and i was wrong and i was big old wrong and there's adam with his big old right brain um so the winnipeg jets right now are fourth now that's because they played three fewer games in the oilers they're seven four and one and they've had one of patrick linea or pierre-loup dubois for one of those games if

i'm correct one amazing uh and they're about to get dubois and they're already seven four and one that is a legit team and if the Leafs have a test coming up nine games remaining against the Jets oh how do we get none of the no line or Dubois games it's that sucks damn it oh yeah but every man every game against the Winnipeg Jets is a game against Connor Hellebuck and nothing matters if he's on fire it's going to be pretty tough to beat the Jets ever for anyone two things uh one jesse marshall's in the waiting room uh to talk about we'll bring him on uh two uh dubois did play on not yesterday but day before so tuesday he did and yeah he played versus calgary there's so much hockey he played like 13 minutes was like a minus one oh zero

yeah it was in consequence all right he'll be so we are gonna bring on uh let's bring on jesse all right welcoming on jesse marshall for the first time from the athletic jesse off the air uh you you told us that you're in the middle of doing something other than hanging out in jerry seinfeld's apartment on the video side of things if you're watching uh what are you working on man it's just like finishing up my master's uh just got i'm just in a new house you got a baby coming it's uh it's been a busy pandemic there's nothing happening yeah my name is jesse and i'm working on my master's and i work for the athletic uh and oh yeah babies and houses and stuff too congratulations man uh we didn't know that

your uh that your wife slash girlfriend was pregnant we don't even know your marital status to be honest yeah we're learning all the all sorts of things all the good stuff's coming out yeah oh wow so we're excited to have you on it was actually a listener that said hey why don't have jesse marshall and we're like yeah good idea big shock this week uh and and a big shock a couple weeks ago with jim rutherford resigning brian burke and ron hextall taking over we're to start with ron hextall as general manager and i believe brian burke is president of hockey ops can you can you run us through what you know about the hiring process there we obviously saw mike gillis's um presentation uh was it the powerpoint that won penguins ownership over

or was it something else that ron hextall brought in that that that got mary lemieux and the whole group to get on board with it. I honestly, I think they went into this thinking that it was going to be Ron Hextall. I think he was a front runner from the word go. It was just something about, I think his ability to build a team and acknowledging, you know, the Penguins cupboard. There's a bear and then your cupboard like got ripped out of the wall and there's not even anywhere to store food. That's kind of where the Penguins are from a prospect perspective. So we know that Hextall can acquire talent. And I think just the familiarity they had from this time in Philadelphia, you know, they brought, they brought Brian Burke in as an advisor to the

hiring process, which I don't think anyone knew was going on behind the scenes. That was kind of the big surprise, not just that he had himself kind of gotten hired after that, but he was kind of serving as sort of their counsel, I guess, if you will, throughout the process. But I guess it's not that surprising if we think back, you know, there's been rumors even in the last year that they wanted to bring Dale Tallon in that role. And that fell through. Uh, and I don't know if that's a Jim Rutherford thing or what. So they've sort of been searching for someone that can build this functional hockey ops department from the ground up. And they, I mean, in that sense, probably haven't gotten anybody better. Well, I mean, look at where the Philadelphia

Flyers are right now. Uh, it's got a stick in every Flyers fans crawl that Ron Hextall is GMing the Pittsburgh Penguins. Um, I do want to ask why did they, why did they choose Brian Burkett for a role that never previously existed? I think his experience on the administrative side. I think that ultimately the Penguins have had a lot of shuffling going on in this front office. And Jason Kamanos was one guy that left, you know, a little over a year ago now, and it was really a big void. He was responsible for quite a bit there. And, you know, Jim Rutherford walking away eight days into the season aside, I still think that that was a void that just was never filled so where a lot of teams have you know really highly functional hockey operations

departments that are you know in tune with what they're doing from a scouting perspective from a budgeting perspective from you know tying all these arms of the business together i think it's a fair question to say do the penguins have that and if they're looking for for somebody to build it um from a connections perspective just a name power perspective i mean brian burke is is kind of the perfect man to do it um and i you know i think the initial shock from penguins fans was one this is brian burke uh two he's had a lot of really loud things to say about the the penguins process and you know is their window closed and you reconcile that i think and then the third was is he making like decisions here from a roster perspective i think there was an initial sort of

fear. And once it became clear that he himself had helped to identify Ron Hextall as sort of the leading candidate that everybody was sort of like, Oh, okay. There's no way that that's going to happen now. You know, he's not going to go in there and railroad the guy that he just hired, you know? And then we kind of started to piece it together from there. But I think once it wore off and the shock kind of went away, people were like, okay, you know, if we're looking for a guy to build a hockey operations department, we've done all right. I don't think the Penguins make these two hires without properly identifying what they want and i gotta say i'm really confused because like you mentioned with the prospects i think it was kaylin addison in the zucker trade

um uh the philip hollander the philip hollander and then the 15th overall pick uh coming to the toronto maple leafs um but there's also this thing with money and they're trying to save what do the penguins want uh to stay competitive steve i think is the ultimate answer to that question um they i don't think anything they could do to prevent the perceived window from shutting is of the utmost importance to them right now and that's honestly the first thing that ron hextall and brian burke said this team we believe has the makeup of a team that can win and it's not all that far removed from doing it we still feel like the star players can do it we're not going to break this band up you know we want to evaluate what we have and move forward to

try to make it better so i think that's encouraging right if you're in the win now mode and and everybody in pittsburgh i think is is fearful of what comes next for this franchise in the sort of dark days quote unquote to come post crosby and malkin uh anyone who can a soften that by rebuilding the cupboard while simultaneously not sacrificing any more of what's in there which is really at this point, two goalies, uh, uh, Sam Poland and Nathan Legary. That's it. That's all that's in there. So the pickings are slim already, but anybody that can hold onto those pieces and try to continue this, this train rolling uphill, um, that, you know, that's, that's, that's kind of what they wanted. Uh, the question I think that's still on everybody's mind and I'm

sure there, I'm sure it's clear as mud, but can you give us your best, uh, rundown of what happened in the final days of Jim Rutherford and what the reason was for him walking away from a team where he won two Stanley cups nine days or eight days into the season. So it's, it's important to acknowledge too, that like we're having a conversation now that's not, I don't think really happening as much in Pittsburgh, um, which is intriguing to me, right? Because you don't hear people say Jim Rutherford quit on the team eight days into the season. You know, it's sort of like it's a danced around topic and maybe that's something that you know is the benefit of winning you know certainly i'm sure that carries weight to it but uh i think it was a disconnect but for me

again from a hierarchy perspective in terms of you know what jim rutherford was you know more or less doing from a grand vision perspective how involved with it was he how involved did he want to be in it um you know was he in a position where he had his sort of quote-unquote people around there was a lot of discussion of you know well he wanted to trade chris letang and you know got shot down from mario and we don't have any there's no you know real evidence to suggest that this was over a trade or one particular move i mean the day you know uh you know leading up to this you know there were personnel decisions that were going to have to be made for injuries and you know i just don't think that it was something that there was one thing that led up to it i think there

was just over time just sort of the separation um between ownership and he and as his camp sort of got smaller and smaller um you know i think maybe that that wore on him over time there there were some suggestions out there that this might have had something to do with there were accusations made against members of the i think it was the penguins or their ahl affiliates ahl affiliate yeah yeah um do you get any sense no uh what were the accusations just for anybody that doesn't know them yeah so uh regarding a coach down there and some allegations of abuse uh and the question really became what you know it was handled ultimately after a time um not i think as swiftly or as publicly as you'd have liked at all uh and the

question i think from steve's perspective was this tied to that and was the ongoing investigation that is sort of happening and sort of things continuing to come to light with it on whether or not the overall parts and reporting this up the chain of command worked um you know jim rutherford i think was kind of just open with that from the from the get there's not much he's not open about um you know he was frank about it from the beginning um i think you know in talking about That's the thing. We haven't heard a ton. Right. But we have what we have heard from him, you know, is just acknowledgments that he was aware and, you know, did what he thought was appropriate. So I don't think anyone gets the sense that that is involved here either, as much as it is just sort of that friction over time. Now, when we talk about some of the moves he's made and why the cupboards bear, you mentioned the Kasperi Kapanen trade.

We can mention the Jason Zucker trade. You know, how do you feel like those trades have worked out? If we're talking about a team that's trying to keep the competitive window open, it makes sense to trade first, seconds, and draftees to get established NHL players to play on the big lines. Obviously, we're quite familiar with Kasperi Kapanen in Toronto. Jason Zucker, for anybody in Minnesota, was a big part of the team for a while and then almost traded and then not traded. And his wife was pissed, and I'm sure he was too. And that was public. How have those additions worked out? and you know the Pittsburgh Penguins are sitting five and five fifth in the division right now

um what are the Pittsburgh Penguins what is their identity as it stands and is this going to be good enough well it's it's it's right now it's messy I think that uh it's been a really difficult to get a pulse on this team uh you know it's been a bizarre year for Evgeny Malkin I think at the very start it was very un-Malkin like not only from an eye test perspective even analytically through the first five, six games of the season. I love game score as a stat that can kind of sum up a player's performance, whether it be in one game or over time.

Right after the first week and a half, Malkin's game score had him 371st in the National Hockey League, which kind of matched what we saw on tape. Now that's changed and he's kind of coming along, but it's been Crystal Tang who's been struggling now. John Marino hasn't really picked up where he left off from his phenomenal rookie season.

So it's been a bucket of issues. I think the power play, you know, is probably number one on the hit list in Pittsburgh right now. You know, Kasperi Kapanen, believe it or not, I think we, I think you guys will appreciate this. I really struggled to reconcile your opinions with Kasperi Kapanen and about the way he thought the game and whether or not he could kind of keep up with things sort of quote unquote mentally with Sidney Crosby. and I think it was my concern you know we know that the physicality is there he's got great hands the straight line speed exists but it's when the play deviates off the beaten path and you've got to make quick decisions that it seems like it doesn't come together and you know we haven't even had to really search for an answer to that because he's just either you know he came over late he had the visa issue got his feet went on the fourth line but has just really had this nice marriage with Evgeny Malkin and if you think about it both of those players just play the same style of hockey it's kind of physical north they don't overthink it

they free wheel a little bit uh but he's been a bit of a puck retriever he's been a bit of a trigger man on that line and it just seemed like a home for him where he doesn't have to sort of be in that mental space to do too much so you know you're playing with Jason Zucker and Evgeny Malkin just go out there and you know Malkin does a lot of the work himself so uh that's been encouraging but I think if you get on the line I mean you know we mentioned you know there was a time um not that long ago uh you know where a guy like um oscar sunquist was just a prospect for the penguins and he got traded for ryan reeves right so you kind of scratch your head at that one um but at the same time you've you've got john marino on the roster who was one of the best

defensemen uh you know in my opinion in the national hockey league last year pierre olivier joseph right now is the absolute revelation for the penguins literally keeping them afloat uh and he came over and the this the phil kessel trade that you know a lot of people thought was not going to reap that much so it's a mixed bag i think that's sort of the story of jim rutherford's whole history right there's good there's stuff we can reflect on and and say was great and then there's patrick cornquist right now in florida so you know that's kind of the way it worked forgot about that no kidding going back to cabinet the guy who was supposed to be on crosby's wing i believe rutherford even said how does this keep

happening to crosby i i feel like everyone the penguins bring in to play with him ends up playing with malkin why and the one guy they brought in to not play with him and chris kunitz did end up having the most fruitful you know partnership of all it's it's hard i think chris kunitz would describe playing with sydney crosby as annoying you know uh you get back to the bench and then it's just you get hammered with this constant feedback loop of what just happen and like he openly discussed that you know a few times and it's that's what it is you know he's got the ipad and he's pointing at it and you know he's he's micro analyzing you know transactions with the puck that you probably you know regular players aren't even thinking of

you know that's what makes it work with jake genzel jake genzel is the son of a coach now it comes from that background has always had that sense for the game and even in his collegiate career was described as somebody who's you know very hockey savvy and very hockey smart so it seems like he can handle it you know we've seen brian rust get in that role now and i think you know people have said the same about him so it's a demanding position it's not one that's just go out there and stand in front of the net and he'll throw it in off you uh it requires puck support uh you know supporting him in the boards the give and go zone entries it's a high level uh job in that sense and and one that i think is uh is pretty demanding what's your sense

of the goaltending situation since you know the departure of Matt Murray and obviously Matt has not had a great season in Ottawa but they just are not having a great season I don't know how much of that's on Matt and how much of that's on the the level of the Sens play however he had fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh how do you think Casey to Smith and Tristan Jari have been well yeah this has been a real pain point I think so you know the Penguins have what we call in Pittsburgh sort of like these little hiccups defensively that can last anywhere from five to 10 minutes and it's just a it's a wild ride right and she's got to buckle up and and you know things kind of go off the rails and it's not been a great environment so i mean i want to acknowledge

that first it is volatile at times the penguins they love to play fire wagon hockey you know they want to score that not much has changed with that uh so they've been under duress but even in adjusting for that analytically and looking at sort of goals saved above expectation uh tristan Jari especially has been below the line Casey DeSmith has kind of I think turned in an average performance and and for that has accrued a couple wins and picked up a couple wins uh that's who's going to be in net tonight against New York uh for the Islanders game tonight I think it might be his net now for a while I've said that already though and uh they've kind of gone back to Jari I think they're looking for ways to to kind of get Jari back and get him kick-started I think this

is the one thing that has been the real shocker to the start of the season uh for penguins fans is this you know what has happened to tristan jari from that you know three four month run he was on last year and the sort of pedigree he had throughout the american hockey league as well um you know again circumstances aside it's really casey de smith has played his way into this position and he hasn't been spectacular spectacular uh but i don't think the penguins need that the average will work for them right now it's wild because a little over a year ago i was talking at tristan jari at the all-star game in st louis right um that's that's not the only major change that we've seen jesse i have to know what are you thinking of cody cc

i i here's the listen no uh i've i've had this like cody cc tracker going on on a nightly basis because he is turning in i'll give you an example i mentioned game score earlier his january 30th performance steve is the fourth best individual performance the penguins have all year oh my god and he controlled like 80 of the expected goals and a couple of assists so um i think you know first couple games were a bit of a hiccup and you could tell it was a culture shock i think as far as the way that this team plays uh but you pull anybody in pittsburgh right now and they'll tell you absolutely fine is their answer um you know they he has been really forced to take on more than he can chew some nights i think as a result of the injury

situation the penguins have played 11 defensemen already this year wow um whoa kevin churchman being the uh final on that list you made that person up so yeah the mark donks right the mark donks um buzz fib it's cousin so but overall you know i gotta say he's he's i i don't think they're asking him to do anything really other than just go out and be himself um you know he's there's just a no pressure situation uh they're not forcing him to try to be involved offensively he's making good first passes if you look at the the micro data around zone entries and zone exits he's taking care of business with his gap control so it's just an i would put it as unremarkable performance that everybody is like really shockingly surprised and pleased with you need

players like that yeah you really do set the bar low kids you set the bar low and then you step over it there you go all right now i'm looking at pittsburgh schedule so they got the islanders tonight who are ahead of them in the standings and they got washington next game so they got 11 points the others have 12 they win tonight they're in fourth place they're back in a playoff spot they went against washington the next game they are tied with the capitals at that point with i believe yeah about the same amount of games played um do you think in this in this division where really the only slam dunks to miss are new jersey and buffalo you get the rangers who are nipping at their heels obviously the islanders are the islanders they've had great playoff success

the last couple years washington won a couple couple years ago philadelphia is on the rise boston's dominant again um where does pittsburgh fit in here and and we're based on the you know the first sixth of the season that you've seen, uh, or, or even less, I think we're 20% into this season. Where do you see them ending? Do you see them making the playoffs? Well, I think right now they're a team that's lucky that their peers have some warts that are just as big as theirs. Um,

I don't know that this is as much as an attrition situation in this division, as much as is that there's some teams that are still trying to figure this thing out and just aren't really playing all that well right now. Uh, so I think we got to figure out the Jekyll and Hyde situation. like that's a big one because the penguins have been at times just dominant uh to the level that we saw them play uh you know during their cup runs where you know five on five you know looks like they're on a man advantage uh we've seen their top six run wild a couple nights without really getting the benefit in the goal column uh so you know you get the sense that underneath all

this there is a much more solid foundation with a team that knows how to win and can put together a full 60 minutes the consistency really hasn't been there yet they haven't been able to string it together whether it's within a game or over the course of several so um that's the challenge I think is is for Ron Hextall is how can we immediately improve this situation and you know try to get this team over this this small hump to to get to that consistency um you know there have been nights I think you know where uh the top six has really started to take over um that's the makeup I think we all expected you know I don't think anyone expected Jared McCann to lead this team offensively this year all year long um they're getting a couple guys back you

Zach Aston Reese will play his first game all year tonight. So things are coming up injury-wise. It's just they've got to solve these meltdowns, and they've got to stop being really their own worst enemy. And I think once they can tighten that up, they're going to be a difficult out. I mean, well, this is the recipe for success in Pittsburgh. It starts slow, and then I win back-to-back cups. So, I mean, congratulations.

It's cool to cover a team like that. it's never boring uh that that much is for sure either there's always some kind of diabolical injury situation i don't know if everyone knows this but ppg paints arena is built across the street from where melon arena was right and that what was well you ask yourself what was there before jesse a hospital saint francis hospital the exact site uh so if you're wondering why they constantly lead in man games lost it's because i've been trying to petition the team to have some corners sort of like, you know, sage burning there or something. And we got to get the spirits out of there because it's just supernatural at

this point, but they've kept it exciting, you know, but it is never a dull moment. Jesse Marshall at The Athletic. You can follow him on Twitter at J Marsh F O F Jesse. It's been a first time, but it will not be the last time you are fantastic. I can't wait to see what 90 sitcom you come to us next time in. And thanks so much for coming on, man. This is great. appreciate it thanks guys i would like to one day have on jesse strictly to talk with adam

about spots in pittsburgh that they both really like oh i think we should do like a tour of the city with jesse and adam you know what we could bring up jesse uh jesse blake that is uh we could bring up google maps and share the screen on zoom and then we could literally walk the city That'd be really cool. It'd be pretty easy, right? Yeah, that's genius. A little tour, okay, put in this address and whatever. I think that would be fun.

Steve's got something. I was looking up Kevin Churchman, who he was talking about. It is not spelled the way I thought it was at all. C-Z-U-C-Z-M-A-N. that is not the way he said it at all we're extremely confused churchman c c z i'm done with it but to give you an idea to give you an idea leafs fans uh how up against it the penguins are for injury he said they've used 11 defensemen for the leafs that's using either callie rosen or i forget i don't even remember his first name warsawski who they got in the cap and trade

that's crazy that's yeah no they're digging deep they're digging real that's or morinchen depends who you ask hey marty's a great guy i bet he is i bet he's the best okay i gotta ask you a question is uh is patrick linea gonna play a game for the columbus blue jackets beyond this season no never no of course not i don't think so how so if you if you saw he was benched and torts didn't want to call it a benching and actually i have to give aaron port's line credit because he's like don't worry in the press he's gonna love patrick line a but what we've seen on the ice is patrick line a has come in and his first three games he scored three goals and apparently he mouthed off to the assistant coach who knows what he said and he just got there he

just got there and so so here's here's the question and yarmulke line has got a really and i i saw a weird rumor on on twitter about this and i want to get to it about torts yarmulke line has got a choice to make here yes at a certain point at a certain point you got to decide whether you want your team to be something more than hard working at some point your team's got to be high skill and there's no question the columbus blue jackets their work ethic is unimpeachable you cannot look at the blue jackets and say yeah they don't work hard they work extremely hard except for pierre luke dubois last shift and and that's why i think it was so noticeable it's so weird to see a blue jackets player just go yeah i'm gonna go for a

skate and i'm going back to the bench now and he never played for them again line a i don't know what the dust up really was about and that's really sort of besides the point has been there for four or five games he's done nothing but do what he is supposed to do which is score bunches of goals three games three goals pretty great and they bench him this is a market that has a very difficult time and portsy mentioned it as well with holding on to star power because it has the reputation of according to aaron port's line it's a university town not as cosmopolitan as a city like new york well nobody is and it's tough for stars to stay there they have patrick linea in that he's a restricted free agent but that's it that's the key is is this going to be a jack

roslovich for pierre luke to bought trade unless you trade patrick linea and get a big old bunch of stuff for him let me tell you as the creator of trade trees i am dying to find out because this thing is shaping up to be a very long one actually it's a continuation of a trade tree i believe it is tied to is it the evander kane trade tree can't remember anyway i know it's one that justin hall is involved in anyway um i feel like john tortorella and i mean this is a compliment you can give him any piece of fruit and he's gonna squeeze the most juice out of it out of almost any coach what if it's a pineapple and it's all prickly his hands are so jesse his hands are so rough and manly tough that he just goes right through it right through all the

prickles oh no the pineapple looks at john tortorella and goes oh my god that's so prickly right you know what i'm saying you know how pineapples talk like that french show anyway so he just you mean yeah what you don't know you grew up in canada you liar you know that i don't know what that is you shut up maybe that's only for 80s kids it it was it's it's it was a late 80s early 90s show yes he's right he's right yeah i was just he always talks like we're freaking back to the future and we're several decades apart we are like three or four years apart you guys are in your mid 30s like i don't know how dare you anyway i am not in my mid 30s mid 30s start at 34 thank you i don't know how i don't know how mid 30s feel so wow so you're

still in my 20s kicking it neither do i you big jerk anyway steve what were you saying john tortorella will take any fruit any fruit and squeeze the most juice out of it and for a while you got a big cup of juice and then after a certain amount of time all you got is the peel now the blue jackets aren't there um i mean i wouldn't be shocked if they made the playoffs this year they're sitting in fourth in the division yeah like they're not a they're not a bad team armo kekalina has not made a bad team even with the losses and i think part of the reason that they're as good as they are is john tortorell but one thing we've talked about in the past is this guy's got a shelf life vancouver is the weird one that's the everyone gets a one-off

that was the weird one but he had a formula that worked really well in tampa and they won he and then he obviously leaves because coaches get hired to get fired and he had a formula that worked really well in new york and they got close and then he gets fired i forgot about new york right then it was a match made in heaven then uh vancouver happens whoops that's the one off and the blue jackets just feel feels like he's not quite at the end of the road there but he's close you know what i mean i don't see this lasting beyond beyond this year i could see it lasting the rest of this year but i think tortorella is going to go somewhere else probably he doesn't have to worry about completely rehabilitating his image yet a duos still hasn't really talked

about why he asked out but he does not have to do the rehabilitation job at the moment that he had to do after going from the canucks to the blue jackets so i think at some point he's going to be done his columbus journey and he's going to go somewhere else and they'll have a bit of success for a while and xyz but he's got a shelf life and it just feels like i don't know that he can squeeze more out of this roster than he is question for you steven and adam do you think that if columbus wants to re-sign line a this summer they have to fire tortorella before that i think that's extreme i think well here's here's the here's where the conspiracy theory comes in along those lines jesse torts his contract is up this year and there are people suggesting online

that he's trying to be like nah let me go there were some online suggestions of maybe he doesn't want to be the coach anymore he wants to win too much for that you know he wants to win hard the thing is though and john tortorella must know this the columbus blue jackets are not going to win if Patrick Laine is not going to score a bunch of goals for them they don't have a hope in hell and it doesn't mean that they won't get into the playoffs they're not going to win though that's the point the point is to win and it was interesting because some reporters in Toronto and I hate to make it all at the least but somebody did ask Sheldon Keefe what are your thoughts on benching it's been a conversation piece this year uh for a couple of teams and he said you know

he said you know one he said it's a double-edged sword because on one end you are sending a message to a player and the rest of the bench but the other end is you're making the rest of your players work harder and you are cutting yourself yeah that's when i is there no other way right to deal patrick line a five games in than to sit him you do it after the game after the game i think is the way to do it and that's the way keith has handled it is if he's been displeased with a player's performance guess what you're not playing the next game or he'll issue the challenge hey you were trash last game i'm putting you in but if you're trash this game i'm gonna sit you for two something along those lines i wouldn't be surprised if that's happened to a player or two

but you're right you're completely putting yourself at a disadvantage someone has to double shift like on the most basic level you're short a man and we saw how completely out of sorts the leafs were in that third game against vancouver when they went 11-7 and then went committee on the second line you committee on the fourth what are you second okay yeah um now imagine doing that to yourself but there's no seventh defenseman there's no replacement there's no it it i don't know it doesn't sign yourself up for that just because you're upset now and people will say well you know it's work before he's not the first coach to do it no we're not going through the history of benching we're talking about doesn't make any sense and i personally don't think it

does i think there are situations where it could work of course but i just there are other options you know what i mean yeah you know i uh used to get rides to school from my friend's mom who was afraid to turn left she always got us to school took forever wasn't the best way to get to school let me tell you that is a real thing that happened i had a great i had a great aunt who was the same way and she used to have to drive like three four hours to come see like to come to like family get togethers and she would plan the route out on a paper map so she wouldn't have to take a left hand the entire you should not have a license now it would take me three hours it would take her four and a half and she did it because she refused to take a left hand turn she

did it go all the way around the town go around the town turn right right right right right back into it but she got there am i right what you never had an aunt that took four and a half hours for a three-hour drive it's what you sound like when you defend benching stop it right it's a little ridiculous yeah so i mean and jack by the way jack roslovich seven points in seven games not bad not bad at all oh wow winner hey patrick sexy ot winner yeah i'm sure he's thrilled to be back home there's a guy that'll stick around but patrick line a has patrick line a skill there's there's no doubt about it he's got four games he scored three goals that's a guy you need in the lineup and that's a guy you need playing because i'm looking at the top of the lineup here and

we've got bjorkstrand textier felino roslovich cam atkinson right the highest amount of points by any Columbus Blue Jacket right now is Oliver Bjorkstrand, who has 11 points in 14 games. That's good. There's not, no, but Steve, there's not a single player scoring at a point per game clip there.

That's, you know, this is a team that doesn't score a lot. You got a guy that scores a lot. You got to find a different way to deal with him. So I'm sure Jarmo and John had a conversation after that. But beyond that, I wonder about John Tortorella's future

in terms of if this continues who means more to your franchise in the long term forget that in the near term and i would argue at this point it's patrick lining you need patrick lining to stay you're gonna have to pay him a boatload because you know that the numbers that they threw around for mitch marner you knew like was it was it columbus offered something like 13 and a half 14 million i think it was 13 right so so patch if i'm patrick line i'm like well he's a great playmaker but i'm at least that good scoring goals i'm at least that good so i think what based on what we know about yarmo kekalainen is he will he's not afraid to leave these things for the offseason so they're the blue jackets can keep line a and ditch tortorella all in the

offseason are the blue jackets better off with tortorella or bringing in a new guy probably probably better with torts now but you got to change how torts is you can't have them alienating people if you're not bringing them back here's what you can't have peter shirelli signing miko koskin in two days before you fire i think i know what you mean so okay here's what i bet happens the linea extension is an offseason decision the tortorella extension is an offseason decision and Jarmo Kekalainen's top priority right now is to see who comes out on top between Elvis Merzlikens and Yunus Korpisalo,

who emerges as the clear-cut starter, who is willing to pay the most for them in a trade, and how can I get a trade that makes my team a contender now? And that's what I think he tries, because we know Jarmo is not afraid. We learned that a couple of years ago. That is what I bet happens. He's going to try to win this year.

I do wonder, softly, if the Leafs and the Blue Jackets are one day a trading partner. For a goal-tender? Oh, for a goalie. A goalie? I don't know what's going to happen with Fred at the end. But one thing I wouldn't do is sign an older goal-tender, no matter how good, to a long-term contract.

Wouldn't do it. The Campbell Salo? maybe who knows i want to read before we get into the press conference here because i never leave enough room for the press conference and i want to give us at least like 15 20 minutes okay so we're getting into that in two minutes but let me let me read something to you and i said remember last time with steve like explain it to me in eight minutes it's 18 but that's okay i want to read this i want to read this tweet to you this is from darren haynes who is the uh he basically works for the uh canadian free press he writes for the athletic um and he wrote about doug wilson

doug wilson general manager of who stephen dangle uh doug wilson uh the sharks sharks yes right that's right who you know had some pretty good wheels and deals in his day how is doug wilson sleeping these days question mark eric carlson's first 10 games zero goals three assists of which two were secondary minus six and a 38.3 stat percentage fourth worst among players with 10 or more games he turns 31 in may and has six seasons left on this one deal that pays him 11.5 million do you remember how much time we spent on the pending off season that saw drew dowdy oliver eckman larson and eric carlson as free agents yep none of them made it all those contracts stink yeah they all stink even doughty like hey well i don't care that contract himself

he was good for him he made more on a stinky contract he came on the steve dangle podcast when adam wilde wasn't around and he talked to us so he has a great contract i tell you what jesse no he doesn't i tell you what no he doesn't interesting point well good robot yeah i mean it might be the best of the three it's not saying much no uh oh boy though doug wilson and sorry i know uh adam caught me with the deer in headlights there at the beginning of the doug wilson thing i did see a bit of breaking news um oh what do you got well canada way to go way to go everyone friggin well no canadian team has had a game canceled guess what

uh statement from the nhl on tonight's edmonton oilers and montreal canadians game edmonton montreal delayed pending test results so that is from elliot friedman as a result anything it doesn't mean anything yet might just mean like their tests were screwed up yeah they're waiting how about i read how about i read okay i don't know as a result of an edmonton oilers player entering the league's covid protocol earlier today the league announced a change to the start of their game against the canadians tonight from from 7 p.m to 8 p.m and seriously that was it i thought they canceled it that's hilarious oh steve you really got maybe you should have read yeah i don't know

they moved the game an hour oh i guess i guess they're gonna shut down the nhl you know they moved in now we're gonna start panicking you know i i read you're gonna be that uncle that shares are you gonna be the uncle that shares q anon shit on facebook first of all click the article steve first of all yeah people second of all i read some things recently about how mean jesse and adam are to me let me defend jesse and adam by saying i deserve all of it are we deserve what yeah what did you read what did you read about us being mean to you where is this on the subreddit they talk about how you guys meanies okay also let's not go to reddit for our information yeah oh yeah that's right as we just established a minute ago that's

not where i get my information seek the truth everybody and dress up like a goat and commit interaction what's the reddit thread am i the asshole dear reddit i have a podcast with my two friends and i'm not asking if i'm the asshole i'm asking if they are because other people on reddit said they were mine's just called i'm the asshole you're not an asshole no i'm not a smart man so uh so yeah so get delayed just some test results we'll see what happens but uh hopefully nothing bad hopefully nothing bad and in ontario we're under a thousand cases a day hallelujah hopefully it stays that way and keeps going down also i love our subreddit please don't be mean to me it's awesome i don't read it oh jesse it's mostly i mean i don't go there but i love it so

don't be mean i go there all the time but i can't remember how to get into my account well maybe it's a good idea to explain our friendship because this is how we are off the camera too this is we have a constant group chat we talk every day all day and we rip each other to shreds all the time because we find it funny but none of it's personal i hope everybody knows that this is this is just what we do this is our friendship oh and i love the personal i love these two guys more than anything else in the whole world i adore these guys i just we have to rip each other can i so can i bring up something from the group chat to start the press conference oh oh yeah i thought it was the reddit i was like oh no no no you i asked simultaneously i posed a

question and you told me to hang on to it yes yes okay okay are you are you ready for it isn't that is it now time are we done here's the great thing about doing a show with me i don't remember so this will be fresh okay okay so i saw this on the internet over the weekend and i saved it and i forgot it on Tuesday, and then I said it to you guys today, and now we are here. The question is, how old is the Mike Tyson you will fight in your boxing match? You have to fight Mike Tyson. If you lose the fight, you receive zero dollars. If you win, you receive a million dollars for every year's old Mike Tyson is. Example, if you beat a two-year-old Mike Tyson, you receive two million dollars and for context on how old the mike tyson is you were going to fight tyson started

sparring in a gym around 12 11 or 12 years old with a pro fighter named bobby stewart so around that age is when he started boxing how old is the mike tyson you want to fight now this list is trying to trick you into picking 11 and i'm here to tell you no that's too difficult because that's when he started going to the gym yes yeah that's when he started gym fighting we don't know didn't he have brothers like didn't he like fight his brothers all the time i assume he had like school fights i assume childhood tyson was a tough guy childhood tyson had man strength i'm willing to believe yeah and that is why you got to go into the single digits and i am not i'm not a greedy man in fact i think on the show we talked about before i think i could make five million dollars

work i think if you invest it properly i could make five million dollars work you think five year old mike tyson come get these hands and give me my five million dollars but would you you would be comfortable boxing a five-year-old listen i would not be comfortable boxing an 11 year old or 12 year old even well but i'd be 11 year old would kick your ass well exactly so i want to win the fight if i'm going to beat up a child they might i might as well win am i right folks no i'm losing people very fast no listen based on your question i choose five-year-old mike tyson come get these hands okay adam well i'm gonna galaxy brain this gentleman because i'm not comfortable beating 26 like steve no no not 26 either i'm gonna say mike

tyson at one years old because i can make you know i like you i like working i like the jobs that i have i love you guys i want to continue to work but i would like a little nest egg so i'm not concerned about you know my financial future which is fair right throw it on a wealth simple or or quest trade not like your dad you don't want to use your dad's guy with quest trade yeah um it's like when i it's like when adam invites me over for a beer and then he's like you're investing your money like a freaking dumbass you know when we're just hanging out with friends hope is not a strategy you idiot how am i friends with you no i'm serious come here come here you told me hope is it sorry anyway i can do that yo that commercial is jarring

he's like he's like i like literally dude i'm just coming over and congratulating you on a condo and the guy's like hope's not a strategy you little bitch like it's just you told me hope no no get off my peloton come here you said so for people who don't know what you guys are talking about there is a commercial is it quest trade or wealth simple one of the i think it's quest trade i don't and the whole thing runs in canada all the time i respect it i understand what they're doing here is they're trying to get younger people to take advantage of their financial futures and know that there are options available to us that our parents are not that our parents didn't have so you had to go to an advisor the advisor invest your money for you

blah blah blah blah and their whole thing is we don't have the fees that advisors do you get to control what you're buying and uh you can do it whenever you want you just pay us a fee whenever you make a trade which is the quest trade model and so so this guy in this commercial there's two guys one walks into the condo goes nice place the other guy's like yeah yeah yeah no my dad i got uh i got set up on uh got set up on quest trade uh you know a few years ago and it's worked out pretty well and the guy's like he's like i don't know if i'll ever be able to afford a place but i'm sure hoping and then that then the commercial literally ends on this line hope is not a strategy with daggers in his eyes and he's like what is this why are these two friends so

aggressive like it's it's just say and we assume commercial we assume the next commercial is playing he's punching him in the face being like yes that's not a strategy you know throwing him out the window that he's it reminds you know that commercial it reminds me of the uh this is a complete history sidebar but if we're talking about punching a guy scottish history this is one of my favorite pieces of scottish history you ready you guys ready what an adam wild transition hit me buddy okay so scottish history the the scottish clans are very famous as they should be and one of the things they used to do when you were eight nine years old is they would bring you to the border of the clan's land and they would punch you in the face and they would say

so you don't forget where our borders are and that's what they would do that's insane isn't that crazy anyway that was just hope is not a strategy I just thought of borders yo the Scots are a different I can't believe you can do that how do you get away with that that actually happened to me the night

that I asked my father-in-law now for his daughter's hand in marriage and I was like but we're in Ajax and he just wanted to fight me that was it he just felt like it so adam it is funny yes your strategy would be you get the one-year-old baby in the ring and you lay it down or something you just kind of put your mitt over it and then you get your

million dollars yeah yeah because so i'm just basically saying what i saw from everly was she she at a year old uh she was sitting up on her own but i don't think she could get up on her own uh so i would think that uh and she can easily it's crazy how it goes from they can't get up on their own two three months later they're walking and talking to you uh but she i would say that yeah i would you're gonna give him a little push yeah let him fall back and then just put something somewhat heavy on him maybe just your hand and that's where i leave it in a million bucks is enough for me wham you wouldn't try it you wouldn't try it with a two-year-old doesn't forget can you can you pin someone in boxing like are you allowed to i don't think so well i think

it was just i would say it's a it's a tko yeah i want that on my record too i want to be one and oh with tko yeah well against mike yes of course you wouldn't need to punch you just have to nudge but adam there's a glaring there's a glaring problem with your strategy what's that because you want a million dollars but you also want to continue working adam you're fired what why well it might have something to do with you beating up that child on pay-per-view no and that's why we don't know in this world this is a sanctioned match and everybody's okay with it right and i put the child on its back and i won i didn't punch anything yeah the joke was i was joking about the punch but i didn't actually punch the baby he's not gonna really adam you

were joking about the fight with one-year-old mike tyson who's not one at all steve and adam i thought we were being serious as a heart attack with this guys there's also another route you could go that i would consider okay all right hit me all right i bet it's the most mean route jesse's gonna take it you wait maybe 30 years from now you hope tyson makes it to like 83 and then you cash in your boxing match and you say okay money in the bank like wwe yep you run in like edge with your money in the bank trophy case your briefcase and you throw it in the ring you give it to the ref and you say i'm gonna cash in on my fight i'm gonna fight 84 year old mike tyson and get 84 million dollars now there's a hole in that plan guys

there's jesse run that plan i don't know i got it at toys r us i want to know how much you paid okay so you bought a not doll at toys r us this is jesse right here on the back just ah just waiting to throw hands with an 83 year old he can't wait he cannot wait So I think that's a bad strategy. I'll tell you why. You always want to take the most money you can up front because over the course of 30 or 40 years,

because Tyson's what, was he 55? You're still waiting 25 years to fight him. So I would say- 54, okay. So you're waiting 26 years to fight him. Over that 26 year period, if you manage it properly or you get a manager to manage it properly, you probably can get significant millions from that $1 million that's unencumbered.

This is a million dollars that's just plopped in your lap and you give it to somebody or you do it yourself, whatever you want to do, strategy and you, and you make that million dollars into something else. I would much rather have the million over 26. I'm not saying I would get to $83 million in 26 years. That's a lot of money, but the reality is you're, you're the one thing you can't make up for in life is the time so you've got all this money that's growing and growing growing while you're getting older rather than waiting for getting old and fighting mike tyson and then being rich then that's my hope is not a strategy that's right also very key problem you'll be in your 50s yeah you'll be in your 50s i wasn't born in the 80s like you guys

wow i'll still be young wait okay how many years from now is this i gotta i gotta see where the curve is because this like okay maybe tyson's like 68 and he falls off a cliff and then i catch him one year and i cash in my fight what if what if he falls a literal cliff okay what if he falls off the cliff and doesn't make it and then you can't fight him fighting a skeleton no you're not fighting you're not he's not just gonna rise up out of the ground like a michael jackson video in this world all right jesse let's go it's thriller this is thriller baby let's go wow this is um hey uh conversation we've had possibly but not probably not

is there an update in the edmonton montreal game or uh elliot friedman oh my god there is saucy minx uh who's been teasing us with a leafs winger that that apparently we're in on um the nhl set out enhanced covet measures today including asking players to remain at home as much as possible except for games and practices recommending household members limit discretionary activities outside the home use of kn95 masks rapid testing on game days finally i actually saw alan walsh tweeting about this they have not been using rapid testing they have been they've been testing players 24 hours before the game and waiting for the results so they finally enacted that so at no point during the season were they testing players on game day for

that day which is bananas so crazy anyway uh they're mandating all meetings be held virtually glass removed from the penalty box i'm assuming except for the puck part uh like the ice part uh there's also a detailed section on reconfiguring dressing room seating to best protect anyone who hasn't had the virus and this is interesting the Leafs are apparently using up to four dressing rooms right now that's wild so it is wild but you know what it's not going to be popular but the nhl players especially in the states are going to be vaccinated sooner than you think there's about i think it's 30 million americans have been vaccinated already fauci said the uh by april it'll be like hey go get your shot just to the public it's like hey go to your drugstore and

get your shot by april so i think it's less than a million in canada less than a million i think it's less than half of the drugs it's embarrassing it's embarrassing what's happening up here but that aside um the uh the nhl players this you know pierre lebrun tweeted this the other day yes we're probably gonna have to cancel games yes points percentage will probably be a thing that they use in some divisions to decipher who goes to the playoffs or not however the issues i think that they're playing with right now are probably not going to be issues that they're playing with six to eight weeks and uh on top of that uh the rangers and the islanders according to uh and sabers are now allowed to have fans in the arena new york state and columbus now allowed to have

fans in the arena again because there are people that to me it's like well if you've got your vaccine i suppose that's the thing but like how would you prove it do you know what i mean that's the one thing that we haven't figured out yet so i'm i don't know anything i'm not a i'm not a infectious disease expert but apparently they're good to go with it so there is progress happening whether you like it or not and we'll see what happens over the next few weeks but i have to tell you guys i really don't think as i think we're in the last days of this being a problem in the nhl divisions these guys are going to have access to this shot within a few weeks it's going to happen please and the canadian divisions i would honestly though like okay if if we're at

the point and this is not going to be a popular opinion but you know how things work totally um if we're at the point where fauci's saying in april you'll just be able to go get your shot at the drugstore then before that it'll be available to nba nhl nfl mlb in and around then you know yeah yeah i just think they're going to get an edge on it sooner and that's because it's a public very public sport they travel around a lot on a certain level it makes sense uh, you know, as, as not cool as it is for all of us to be like waiting for it. Um, it's definitely like, if you've got guys that are traveling around, you probably don't want them and their families, you know, at more risk than they need to be. I get that there's other

people in the same position. I can understand that. Um, and I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm just saying it's probably what's going to happen. So, uh, interesting to see how the NHL handles the maybe dying days of covid in our society uh but again i feel like by the end of april this is not even going to be a question and that's good for the playoffs all right i don't look at that when you say that i don't look at that as like oh my god they're getting the vaccines and stuff i look at that as oh this is awesome we're coming to an end of this and like i can go see my dad regularly again and hang out with my friends and go see steve like that's when the nba players get vaccinated i'm like oh shit that's cool as fuck you know because i'm like

this is coming to an end we're finally well after a year of this on the almost on the other side i want to be like hey here's what another baby looks like yeah i think yeah i think what the i think what the because leo and everly have never met which is wild um the the thing that um i think the thing that people would say to that is what about the disadvantaged communities what about the remote communities but you know and and they would be right in asking that however you can't underestimate the effect that public personalities openly getting the vaccine will have on a society that for some reason, all of a sudden doubts vaccines. You know, we've had vaccines for a hundred years, they work for a hundred years, and now there's been a gigantic

misinformation campaign against them. And I was listening to the news actually this morning in Toronto, and only two thirds of Canadians are comfortable with the vaccine. And it's the older generations that are totally cool with it. 85% are like, yeah, I'm getting the vaccine. It's when you get into your 20s and 30s, there's a bunch of people that are just skeptical. And when they ask why, it's like, well, no, I don't really know. It's just I'm not comfortable with it. And I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of people in my DMs going, well, you shouldn't be. But I think the reality of it is, and just like, and they did this in Indonesia, I believe it was Indonesia, Jesse, we're talking about this on Virgin. They put influencers at the front of the line to get

vaccinated because there are religious reasons in that country. A lot of people don't believe that the vaccine is halal. And so there was a lot of people that weren't going to get it. And obviously, they wanted to get to herd immunity. So it was really important that they got influential public figures to get the vaccine to increase public trust. And you can look at that cynically and say, well, I mean, that's stupid. But you know that if LeBron James gets the vaccine publicly if you if there's a picture of lebron james getting the vaccine people are more likely to get it that's just the reality it is so i think it might be not a bad thing either nobody just wants nobody wants to say that publicly though right and it was indonesia

just uh fact checked it was indonesia okay yeah so it sounds ridiculous i get it i get it but nothing makes sense in these times and steve is angry no i'm not he's got his angry smile face no i'm just i'm just i'm so ready to look at the back of this yeah you know what i mean steve you want to kiss me i would love to kiss you right on the mouth steve you know when uh adam's standing to the side like not not like uh directly at you but like he's turned sideways and not he's not not to the back to you but you're seeing the side of him like that like that and you can see the side of his his his bum you know it we're not we're not looking at the back of this pandemic just yet we've got a nice side profile of adam's booty and that's that's that's what this looks

like we call that the half moon oh all right this right now is the half moon of the pandemic we're we're almost on the other side and it's very exciting because we get a little we get all Adam's teasing us right now with this half moon, you know, it's, it's like, Ooh, we could, but that is going to, he's going to flip to the backside and we see the full apple. There's anybody that's there. That's good with Microsoft paint. Can we get like a diagram, including my butt of Jesse's analogy there visualized.

We'd just like to see what that looks like. Wouldn't you? Oh yeah. More than anything in the world. Okay. i can't wait to get together for a barbecue slash meeting with you guys barbecue slash meeting number two and uh we had a live show planned and we had we were going to go on like a minute yeah um and they were like hey uh when the pandemic's over you want to do this we're like yeah see you in three months so there's a bookstore in kingston with like 200 copies of my book yeah we had a signing there all this all summer so i'm thinking guys we need to

we do need to go on tour we do need to do that so um yeah we'll do a quick weekend tour around around southern ontario maybe northern united states when we're allowed again when we're all vaccinated and no anyway no more uh shaking hands though uh because that's done in society we only do open mouth kiss that's okay oh all we do all actually i would prefer if you just spat in my mouth that would be great thank you cough into my lungs delicious no are we let's keep going with the open mouth kiss yeah i don't recall saying that two sentences later you're on the not with us i do not say inappropriate things here let's start the conversation about the mike tyson thing you were talking we're all done so thank you so much

for listening as always uh we will be back on monday and pretty excited because there's a big old game between the toronto maple leafs and the montreal canadians uh for tops in the division and listen montreal is back toronto is back they're back at the same time they're great at the same time lucky us man finally so i'm so excited for saturday night the leafs are like more back yeah like a lot more the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete