The Steve Dangle Podcast - Pre-Arguing | October 25, 2024

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

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again monday was five years ago i know i know and you know we were robbed of that moment to give you a like a podcast after the best 60 minutes of the matthews era i will maintain that forever you like producer adam uh called me monday night and one of the things you said was you know what you got to give people permission to feel good about this right like i did say that i was already gonna go Yeah, because they won and they smacked Tampa and I don't like them. I don't like them. I don't like Brandon Hagel's face and how much it opens. Nick Paul's aura.

Yeah, I don't like it on my team. They're like, I don't like them. Yeah. And yeah, give people permission. And I was like, yeah, everybody, hooray. And then they got smacked by Columbus the next night. Everybody's like, ah, it's a back to back though. But it's okay.

They're not going to do that again. No, they couldn't. because the team that fired chief team that fired our coach and rough holy shit rough now i want to quickly before we get into no it's everything that we're going to talk about yes uh oshawa generals peterborough peach you can still buy tickets link is in the description let me say this there's a lot of people uh who apparently were confused hey do i need to get a ticket separately to the show or to the game the 40 ticket is for both yes that's how we do these So when we do these OHL nights and we give you a price, it's for both.

You never have to worry about that. Not each. I thought I said it on the show. Maybe I didn't. It did say it on the poster. So if I confused anybody, I apologize. And it wouldn't be the first time. Yeah, at least I got the date right.

It's this Sunday, and $40 gets you into the game and gets you into the show, and we're going to have a good time. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. And here's the great thing about the Oshawa Generals. You see, the Oshawa Generals are loaded with first-round picks. and they got more loaded the other day who they get uh was calum richie oh they got avalanche seneca barlow danford yep uh they have the uh we have a special guest too

oh who's not one of those ones not one of those ones no no but they're cool let that be your clue you know i find this no uh we got something positive about the show yeah yeah um we are also at all of our live shows recently we've been giving away mcfarland toys and we have more to give away on sunday we're gonna be doing i think a tage thompson one uh what's the other one sitting on the table steve you saw it uh but daddy oh connor bedard yeah and then a vegas golden knight one that we have there was a third one yeah maybe i think maybe it was a stone and a marshall but we also had a william kneelander one just sitting around and i don't think we're giving this one away

no i gotta give that away you gotta give that away like he gave the puck away on goal three no maybe i maybe i give it away to myself yeah i i can see why jesse would want that you know what jesse you deserve it pretty beautiful adam's spitting fire uh i want to say that it looks like willie like how accurate do you think mcfarland got with this i think it's pretty good oh there's a little bit of salad yeah so they got the salad flowing on the toy and the right color hair too like the right tinge of blonde yeah yeah it's beautiful stuff um i i just want to say jacob oster uh who is the uh who is a spectacular goalie um he is the 2024 ohl goaltender of the year will be joining us on the show uh in the evening uh after the generals game and by the

way this generals team features talent like richie first rounder from colorado barlow first rounder from winnipeg seneca third overall to anaheim danford first overall sorry first round pick to toronto and moraley third over round uh third rounder to columbus and i just want to also say um uh that they're taking on the peter repeats who do not have the same amount of talent and you know what happens usually when we cheer for teams with lots of talent against teams that don't have as much talent um well it's not the playoffs so i think we're okay come join us in oshawa on sunday night now i want to start the conversation here and it's from chris johnson of the chris johnson show on sdpn sports okay for the listeners adam uh-huh who who is that he's uh he's he's an

up-and-coming reporter we wish him well canadian press still yeah i think so okay he said the leafs power play this is midway through the game is 13 for 121 dating back to february 27th 2024 that's a 10.7 conversion rate over a meaningful amount of time with a group of players that had previously been among the nhl's best with the man advantage and i'm going to add to that it is now 13 for 122 because they did have another uh power play after that which they did not convert on well adam i mean you can move off the core but who would you trade them for uh dom decision if i take a quick look back at my past schedules uh and steve you mentioned this in the lfr the leafs had not lost a back-to-back regular season game by four goals or more since 2014 2015 you ran through

some of the roster uh on on uh on that corbinian holzer was dressed for the leafs at that point David Booth, Tyler Bozak, Jake Gardner, Peter Holland, Corvidian Holzer, Ole Jokinen. This is a rare Ole Jokinen game. He only played like a dozen games for them. Nazem Kadri, Phil Kessel, Leo Komarov, Brandon Kozin, 67. Joffrey Lupo, Richard Ponik, Dion Phaneuf. Ponik at the disco.

Yes. Roman Polak, Morgan Riley has been through so much. Stefan Robida, Zach Sill, James Van Riemsdyk, and James Reimer. A Leafs fan last night during the game threw a jersey on the ice during a TV timeout. Steven Lorenz grabbed it and brought it to his bench. And Steve didn't believe me. So I sent him the picture.

Nick Alberga actually had the picture from the press box. It did happen. Jesse was there. And Nick is like kind of a, he can be a shit disturber on Twitter. So I texted him personally to be like, is this real? And I'm like, okay, how could this have been AI'd?

Okay, I see Max Domi on the ice. I see all the Blues players listed on the scoreboard. It appears to be a Blues game. No, I don't believe it. Now, Jesse, we talked about one side of the special teams coin. Let's talk about the other side of the special teams coin. I would like specifically to bring up your screen grab from last night when we were just talking about one particular penalty-killing instance.

Now, remember, as Jesse's pulling this up, let's talk about what makes a great penalty, Steve Dangle. if you're a pk unit what makes what's what what makes an all-star amazing pk unit um a willingness to block shots okay uh positioning discipline to that positioning and not biting on the bait that you are given um speed and stick work also help okay that's great yeah i think that's a really great thing uh how do you feel when you see this picture maddie take Take us off the screen. You need to see that with all that white ice.

Now, if you're listening to this show, this is the Dylan Holloway goal on the power play. You've got two Leafs down low in the corner digging for the puck. You also have, so that's a forward and a defenseman. You also have a forward and a defenseman within 10 feet of the scrum of where the puck is. And you've got Dylan Holloway all alone in front of the net.

And I can't tell which defenseman that is right now for the st louis blues suffice it to say it doesn't matter because he's not covered you ever watch an episode of dragon ball z and they're fighting and you're like where the hell did they find this giant flat open space with no one in it and i think they should start fighting at scotia bank arena i think like majin buu and goku and vegeta all of them should show up and just fight in between the space between dylan holloway and the nearest leaf ah dude this sucks well that was uh 48 scott peronovich oh yeah listen you can't leave peronovich oh yeah that's what they always say you know that when that's what i've heard when you when peronovich is on the ice you got

to watch the f out that's what the pre-game scouting reports player i nobody's saying he's not a good player i'm just making a joke okay can we point out like on top of everything like the blue jackets are so ridiculously shorthanded and the blues smack them without robert thomas boo get off the stage you suck i don't know uh it's it's yeah it's early in the season carol pounder made a joke at intermission saying the uh the oilers were up two nothing on the leafs yes uh because brobert holloway had scored very funny so that was very funny with this penalty kill like in and just the the image here of everybody being in the corner and leaving two guys completely unguarded nobody teaches you to play hockey like that like nobody Craig Berube

and the entire coaching staff in Toronto didn't tell them to do this the problem with a play like this is the players on the ice so it it comes down to the personnel and when you have a blatant mistake like this there's nobody to blame but the the four guys who decided to all go in the corner well i would like to apply this to the power play hold on i want to just say one thing okay tell the story minor hockey story okay okay do it i played for the toronto young leafs in my day what level uh six single a that's the highest i got and uh 13 14 oh that's pretty good yeah and so we were you know we were on the ice five six days a week adam always downplays it but Like, that's much higher hockey than most people.

Yeah, but I didn't get to, like, triple, double A, triple A, whatever, like a lot of my friends did. And they were really good. And so, Jesse, you made a really good point there. What did you say about power plays or penalty kills? What? They don't teach that at any level. Oh, no, no. Yeah, they don't teach four guys to go in the corner together.

So, my coach at the time was a firefighter. And he, in his younger years, had gotten his bottom teeth knocked out in a hockey game. because you know i our parents generation didn't wear masks and didn't wear helmets actually right like you know my my dad when he played hockey did not wear a mat or a helmet um he had a he had leather skates like that's what we're talking about and so this coach to get our attention used to like to take his dental implants and pop them out whenever we did something stupid that's why that's that moment brought that brought me back to that so i can remember doing a shorthanded drill yeah and he was like he was like hey guys and we're all like

just to wake you up man thing to do well he loved it just like he got such a kick out of it but it was like whatever i gotta do to remind you and his thing was always forward high forward high and make us say it back he'd be like what did i just say and we'd be like forward high and so whenever i see the leafs do that and they collapse they they and i know that they've changed the pk somewhat over the years and whatever they are always collapsing and there's never a forward high and if you bring that back up maddie for just a second forward high all the forward needs to do there and i think that's matthews is stand between ronovich and holloway just stand at the top of that that red circle right there that's it and he's in he's in position

even if i think that's chris tenev down deep even if chris tenev isn't in place at least holloway is 50 or 60 percent covered that was probably his first not the greatest game with the leafs yeah i mean almost if you look at a list of leafs who were bad last night it's almost exclusively all their best players yes and i and so i just wanted to i wanted to illustrate and i wanted to i wanted to put an exclamation point on what jesse said nobody ever taught them this no nobody ever taught them this at any level this is this is why i want to apply it to the power play uh because they are what was it 13 power play goals for their last 122 attempts dating back to the end of last february yeah and that includes the playoffs that's all of march that's all of april and all of the playoffs

and yes eight games this season mark savard was not around for the majority of those games and this isn't me defending a guy who i used to work with at sportsnet i get it it's me not wanting to what why why i don't understand why we keep giving the benefit of the doubt guys they took riley off and that's it it's the same group yes yes it's the same group yes how many different coaches have coached this power play now i know tsn did a breakdown and like scoring chances and shots and shot attempts are down on the power play that's concerning that needs to be fixed but the problems with this power play predate the current group on the bench yep it predates savard it predates barubi it's the sit and oh but they you know last year they

finished it i i don't care what the overall total was on the season i think they ended top five still i don't i don't give a good goddamn every year march april dead they die they die when the lights get brighter they just do and i guess now the concerning part is it's happening earlier like Like, I just have such a difficult time blaming it on the coach when these guys have had... How many people have managed the power play in their tenure?

It's at least four. Yeah. It's their fault. They stink. Jeff O'Neill said, it's time to pull one of them off and hurt someone's feelings. One of them.

I mean, the obvious choice for me, and we've been saying this on this show, is Tavares. And even if... I take everything away from him And if Minton was healthy, I think I'd take away his roster spot. If Tavares is, you know, and to be fair to him, he was very sick, lost eight pounds. That's all out there.

If you're not ready to go. He's in. Then you're not ready to go. Like, he's in. And so here's the thing. Okay, so maybe he is that sick. Why is he still on the unit that's expected to perform at their best when he is not performing at his best? And it's unfair, really, to just call him out on it.

but i was talking to frank no he's brutal i texted frank corrado about it last night because i was like dude like what was this and so he he's like here's what i would do he's here's my here's my power play one power play two he's like i am not a fan of putting all your talent on one yeah he's like but i think they need it and he said 34 matthews 23 nyes 11 domey 88 nylander 95 oel that's pp1 that is what almost every fan i've spoken to is screaming from the rooftop that exact configuration of five and then that means 16 marner 91 tavaris 74 mcmahon 89 robertson and 44 riley that's a great power play unit it's a great power play unit it's not a knock on any player on that group there's a lot of power play talent yes first unit tires them out they get a

few chances they don't go in second unit comes out and because they're good they fucking score not what they currently have which is this group of five tagalongs goes out there and friggin plays 25 seconds of fuck around hockey and kick it into the corner and fish it out of theirs what are we doing jesse i have a couple of lines of questions for you but the first one starts with the mid second period mid to end second period there was a a little bit debate on the broadcast and you would have missed this because you're at the game being a credentialed reporter yes uh there was a bit of a debate about whether or not on the power play fans were booing or saying shoot boo earns moment um and it specifically had to do with marner yeah and but it could have been

anybody right i'm not trying to target him his first shot of the game came with about three minutes to go in the second i know that as a fantasy holder so did you hear in the second period from what you can recall and i'm not going to hold you to this totally yeah booze or shoot no i'm i'm i'm like i can say 85 sure that they were booze because there was a couple moments throughout the game where the crowd was booing so i don't i don't think it was shoot i think it was booze they booed for most of the last like there was a couple times on different power plays not even that one where when the puck leaves the zone the crowd starts booing and there was a couple times when it's circling especially at the end of the game like half the arena was empty i took a

picture of it because it was so like i've never seen scotia bank like that with it was like three minutes to go everybody just kind of left and the people who were left were booing it's the lights um i think they dread when they get a power play um you know oh no now something is expected of me their power play is a microcosm uh it's just a mini version of every spring everyone's depending on me to get the job done and i don't uh um how else should you look at it and and this is where so so what i tweeted at the time when when i think it was i forget was a third or fourth power play they had uh because i i i want to know this and i know you know mark savart and we can be open about that he gave you shit about how you taped your stick and that was

all fun and whatever gave me shit about putting my elbow it doesn't mean you guys are like in touch to this day and you text each other regularly you were co-workers for a minute i like him and and i'm sure he's a great guy sure what i want to know though i've had to carve leafs i like what did mark say to leafs management to convince them that things were going to be different because what i have seen is the exact same so who's running the power play is it mark savard or is it brendan shanahan well like listen um he he shoots left i know that he's a pass first guy so he probably likes a flatter blade i'm not i'm not sure i haven't seen a stick in a long time um that being said i've never once seen him out there with them um mark savard yeah during a game

well but but dude it's the same group but that's the problem he's the coach and he keeps putting the same group out there yes i don't like that's my point i do agree my question is mark totally what did you say to brad what did you say to brendan pridham and shanahan what did you say to these guys to get the job now now here's a question that i have savard does the strategy who makes the ultimate final decision of who's going out that'd be chief i think that's yes so there's a bit of a gray area there my assumption is he would take my understanding is the way craig barube coaches is if he hires you as an assistant coach he trusts you to make those calls yeah and this is a guy really needs to step in this is a guy he probably vouched for um on account of they

work together in st louis yes um so yeah no i listen i like him very much i'm allowed to criticize them it's fine uh that group of five we'll say four since oel's been switched on to that um cannot continue cannot i mean a lot of people are screwed i like the oel switch but i think they're only 30 of the way there a lot of people are screaming to take marner off that unit i would do it too but if i could only take one person off dude jt's been terrible let's focus on that for a sec jesse he's been terrible what did you see from jt last night they'll come back to you steve i think he's getting healthier like i feel like we were very critical of him and in that week coming off the sickness and it's because he was sick you know i think there's a there's a

bit of the game there's a bit of an excuse there for him and i don't i still don't think he's up to speed and where we expect him to be and he's probably a step slower than he was in previous years and i think that's probably going to be where he's at going forward but he's definitely better than he was when he was losing eight pounds right and but my question then becomes and then steve we're coming to you because i know you got a lot to say here on this one is if he's just getting better why do we keep putting him out in spots where he needs to be the best i think because they don't have any other answers like there's no other replacement for him at the time because of how the team is constructed like that is the unfortunate answer

who are you trusting in those situations besides him you know it's if he's if he's out there because austin just had a shift you know it's like what is your other solution i don't i don't know it's not it's not domey right now because he's playing a lot and he's carrying a lot of weight and if you need a face off you need him out there and he's gonna have to play minutes if he's dressed that night so i don't know i don't know who else comes in and fills in for him at the time and if that is your problem then you have a roster construction problem and you need to solve that because the team's not good enough and if the team's not good enough then that's your problem and they're gonna get two guys back but when they get two guys back first of all their bottom six

guys one of them is arguably middle six um in yarn croak endure and you're gonna have to shift money around too like i so what we're talking about is they're not deep enough no i think what we're talking about is they've got no no that's what i'm talking about well i think they've got a player that is going to be fine i think so far tomorrow's gonna be fine when the stars don't get it done they're dead so well i think part of the reason to have four stars is that if a couple of them have a bad night the others are supposed to take it up but what we saw last night to a man awful all of them were bad all four it's rare that you see all four um just stink but that that was the ethos that dubas had and i agree with that it's like what are the chances all four are going

to be shit well every game seven you know what i'm saying like i i'm joking i'm being facetious but you see what i'm saying but we we always seem to be like okay one guy is recovering from an illness yeah and the whole deck of cards falls down how can you improve the depth of the team well one suggestion i've heard whispered is don't be so damn top heavy having four guys making that much and here we are and everything was on the table you know uh there was a great line that i meant to put in the lfr and i forgot to and i was going to credit them so i'm going to do it now producer nick who starts who needs to start making some appearances on the cj show oh he's got great takes anyone who has ever watched sports with a portuguese person ever that's nick he's the

best he's the best absolute best he's every bit as fiery as me um i love what seeing him pop up in the group chat like oh you know it's gonna be good oh yeah it's the best it's the best they said they're here to win not sell sweaters but all i saw was a new c to buy bar bar i forgot to use that one now dude before we move on from john tavarez like i don't think i should go out and notice that that was the only goal they scored was the tavarez robertson lorenz line but when you look at that line that scored the goal it's like did john tavarez think at this point in his maple leafs tenure and the contract that he big signed it hasn't even expired yet that his winger would be stephen lorenz you know you you look at that and it's

okay nick robinson's on the side that's kind of reasonable but like he's playing so low in the lineup left side's a nightmare and yeah it's it's not good enough no you know it's it's not far from being good enough it's not like let's get this guy back and we'll be good enough um like patch is out with an injury and he's not an everyday player like he's in the rotation right now robertson he doesn't play there okay so you got nize who are pro can play there but he's injured yes doer can play there but he's injured yes oh well it's all fucking fixed then you know what i mean no no i understand i'm not talking about top line talent but i think ideally lorenz is a good player and and energy whatever i think ideally yarn croak would be that guy i think yeah best

case it's like nize mcmahon yarn croak lorenz or doer like if i had this is if i had a party blower i would blow it all right it was like dude who cares it was it was david alter who was sitting there and he pointed out it was just before they scored and then i was like they scored and you're laughing at that line but he wasn't wrong that hey the guy who was on a pto two weeks ago is now john tavara's his winger plus the guy who requested a trade and couldn't crack the lineup until he had a great preseason is his other winger you know and that's the point we've reached eight games in well and but it's it's interesting like craig berube has not been shy about criticizing his players and robertson's never been on the receiving end of that no and he's never sat a game he's only

complimented robertson because robertson is working every time he's out there and and i will say this and and and this is well injuries are going to play a factor here if they got to go back to the rotation and someone has to come out you cannot scratch robertson for this game you can't first of all you have a goal scoring problem second of all oh for the boston game yeah second of all the whole reason i think the the straw that broke the camel's back with the trade request is he was scratched for game seven yes you got to give him a chance at these well i also i also would say steve that robertson is bringing something that they need and that berube needs and maybe it's not goals right now but robertson's bringing it was last night it was last night yeah

which was nice to see honestly that was a nice little they got farted away by the rest of their performance but uh his work ethic is that that's what craig berube is asking and i haven't seen a shift where he hasn't worked hard there have been things that have gone wrong and he still sometimes gets blown up oh yeah i just nick nicholas don't don't get killed no one's saying he's the second coming but but that's adequate 100 but that's the it's sometimes it's just about a guy who's willing to put the extra effort in to show the other guys hey you don't want to be in the rotation that's what you got to do high floor high floor high floor because because i think again somebody somebody snarkily tweeted me on on uh it's crazy somebody was snarky on twitter yeah snarkily

tweeted me Monday night when I said like that's the best 60 minutes I've seen this team play and they're like yeah but the narrative will change uh when they're bad again and look at this they're bad again they've been outscored uh 11 to 3 yeah it's not about like it's not about Monday was five years ago the hilarious thing about the way some people react to this stuff is they're like well you criticize them so you must not like them or believe in them that's the frustrating part about the toronto maple leafs is there's so much to believe in when they play like this you shake your getting your head and go how how does this happen and and and we know what the ceiling is the tampa game is the ceiling that's fucking amazing what's what where's why is the floor so

low and that has always been the problem and and so now you got a boston team that has been struggling and and you had a win like they need oxygen Jim Montgomery calling out Brad Marchand and Brad Marchand going he's right because that was a really stupid play against Dallas with Marchand like like stupid good for him good for he played it the only way you could and he owned it yeah imagine that now what happened last night this is this is a question I have for Jesse Jesse uh from what I saw from your quotes on Twitter last night uh quotes from the players from the players not jesse quotes not you know you weren't not my my quotes um quotes from the players was that you that that they owned it yeah they said yeah we were bad yeah and that and

matthew said it starts with me listen i'm sick of hearing it but i at least they did that they do it every time like yeah no go ahead so let me ask you yeah who'd you talk to you talked to did you talk to austin austin one thing that holds true is that austin has taken on the role of captain wholeheartedly i love that every single time there's a game no matter they win or lose he's the first person out he's talking to you and he's giving you the time of day so here's here's what i want to ask you no hold on hold on this is my line of questioning i need jesse to answer this austin came out and spoke yes uh did john tavaris come out and speak no did morgan riley come out speak? No. Did Mitch Marner come out and speak? No. So here's what we got here. Camera on me,

please. The Leafs have been outscored 11 to three in the last two games. And this foursome of leaders, the only person that comes out is Austin. Morgan Riley, assistant captain, doesn't come out and talk. John Tavares, assistant captain, doesn't come out and talk. Maybe he was like i don't want to get any anyone sick mitch marner assistant captain doesn't come out and talk william kneelander not assistant captain comes out after a really really bad embarrassing uh get your ass on the bench giveaway comes out and talks why won't this leadership group come out and talk i don't understand why after game seven last year am i sitting here going where's mo and where's mitch guys you're captains get your ass out there or take the letter off

get just do one of the two how is this acceptable how do the leafs accept this how does management accept this i'm sorry it's inconvenient for you maybe play better it might be an easier time with the media i cannot believe jesse i cannot believe at least morgan riley was not out there i can't i cannot even fathom that that's a pro i i've blown away does this not bother anyone else or am i the only guy i said this after game seven two does this bother you guys at all do you care uh am i wrong it doesn't it it's not that it doesn't bother you've been outscored 11 to 3 yeah leadership group doesn't come out and talk no it's not that it doesn't bother me it does bother me um and dude who threw his jersey on the ice last night like that you know that's that's

taking up an unusual amount of oxygen today yeah that's so stupid people need to relax that's so stupid i understand but the general um the general feeling of i'm out you can't ignore it in this fan base there are a lot of the people who are most optimistic about the leafs are young and that's a beautiful thing because they've never really known them to be trash we knew them as trash for a while yeah they were pretty bad they were really bad and even that was an adjustment for us because for most of our childhood they were really good they were they had like a two or three year blip and then it was like well six i would say that the the four joseph years and the two bell four years before the lockout yeah they were great but like when we were really really little kids oh

yeah they had that back-to-back conference finals they had a little bit of a dip and that like they had they went to four final fours before we graduated elementary school like that's really good it's really really good then they went for a walk in the desert yeah for 15 years it was really bad in the desert and our one water like our one sip that we got to have was the 4-1 collapse against boston then austin shows up and mitch and willie and later on john morgan was a survivor yeah he was at that point of the tail end of the of the walk right so a lot of the younger audience doesn't really know them as trash and they're wondering why so many people are down on them and i totally understand that they're not trash god i would

love to no and they're not trash and I would love to steal that optimism like dude I didn't get this worked up in 2014-15 well because the expectations weren't there oh yeah there was nothing on the line we knew they sucked so when they sucked there was no surprise there was no tearing out your hair look at the first line I don't even recognize half these guys well and I I look at that the only people who seem not to know that that Leafs team wasn't going to be good was management yes yeah dave bonus and his bunch of whatever's yeah they were so they were so out to lunch it was crazy like i i cannot tell you when we started this show the leafs would come out every year and be like this is the team and everybody in on the on the the online side especially when the the

rise of advanced stats would be like this is not a good team and they'd be like you're dumb just wait and every year they were fucking terrible right so they come and they have the the greatest sustained regular season success they've had in a very long time uh maybe post 67 expansion it's the best stretch of regular season hockey they've ever had which is insane because they still only have the one division and it was made up yeah um so year after year they get embarrassed and the fan base feels stupid like we've gone out we've been like hey how do you feel about the Leafs this year and the most hardcore people who will come out to a live podcast or a book signing or whatever wearing their Leafs jerseys go like that's the most

hardcore of the hardcore and they're never going to leave and they know they're never going to leave there's other people who are like okay so you do this every year in the first round and then the one year you didn't do it you Casper the friendly ghost in the second round okay fart um you said everything was on the table and nothing happened really of significance and here you are again i think you're a loser if you throw your jersey on the ice i do i get it though i i get a casual fan or someone who was once a passionate fan who has since become a casual going i dropped 200 bucks tonight i this is my first game in two years i know i'm not going to be back here in a while fuck it well they'll never be back ever they ban you for life when you do

that yeah and that's you know that and i i think i think i mean there's the clout chasers who are doing it for social and they get kicked out and they probably don't realize what a stupid mistake they've made but i think there's some people who don't give a shit i'm my accountability guys accountability why are they not answering the bell for this so can i can i just provide context on on why in like who's speaking at certain times please after the columbus game uh mitch marner spoke okay john tavara spoke uh hilda b spoke and austin matthews spoke plus the coach so they're out there uh morning skate that would mean yesterday uh morgan riley spoke ryan reeves matthew nice and the coach i think and probably missing one and then after the game

we get willie oel austin and wool so i i understand why riley and marner aren't out out there after the game yesterday because they're marner and tavars already did it on tuesday after columbus and morgan did it pre-game uh yesterday it's three minutes of their lives i mean it's three After the game yesterday, the people we wanted to hear from were Wall, Austin, because he's always out there first, and then Willie. I think those were the main ones, and then obviously the coach every time, and then OEL is kind of the free space there. So that's important context. Do they give you the option of, hey, who do you want to speak to? Do they pull people up in the press box?

one of the guys like it's usually like masters or probably be like hey can we get this kind of guy but then so he's like the the spokesman yeah kind of yeah and it's not like an open conversation with anybody like it but they bring out the people who are coming out to talk so they i mean they probably don't need to consult mark but they well i guess i mean mark makes a lot of sense it was a tsn game yeah right so i imagine it's a sports net person on sports net nights not necessarily no no okay you can you can ask and they'll deliver certain people they know okay they know who should be talking they know what they're going to give you and what they're not going to give you right and this ultimately it's ultimately it's the leaf's decision and if they if they spoke

if morgan spoke pre-game it doesn't it didn't really make sense for him to speak after the game when there wasn't big like morgan coming out of that game like big anything he did in that game necessarily to ask him about you know if if somebody's going to speak on behalf of the team being disappointed it's going to be the captain and we always get the captain which is his gig which is awesome i think austin's taken on that and he's done a great role with that and then after tuesday's game and the big loss we got tavarez and mitch and if they're gonna they're not gonna come out again post game on thursday because you're gonna hear the same thing yeah you know why not why not replay what they said on tuesday so here's my issue with that they go and

they speak and half the media organizations ours included because we can't send you on the road jesse um do not send the reporters on the road so you go in columbus you got half the reporters you got it's a shitty game against a shitty team and they blew it and whatever but your second half of a back-to-back shitty game shitty team this is at home you got booed are you kidding me and this is where i come back to the game seven thing i keep bringing that up because those guys morgan riley and mitch marner specifically did not come out and speak after game seven but after the game yesterday the guys we want to talk to are the guys we got like i just feel like is i don't know you're a leader i don't know i don't know if there's a morgan quote that makes the loss any better

sometimes it's not about what they say it's the act of doing it it's the act of we are an owner a group here that takes responsibility and even if it's one of the assistant captains right send austin out by himself and none of the three of you others can can get off your ass i don't know answer three minutes a question i don't know if morgan answering those questions does what you think it would do like i'm not i don't think it helps the situation at all i think willie being out there is was important like because i think willie's a leader man i think he's one of the next he should be part of the captain and then that's a guy i want to talk to joseph wall who had first first game of the year you want to know like hey what do you think your

teams of performance in front of you the goals like what goals you want to get back and then like the the third guy's austin so like there's covered and then usually it's not usually it's three guys and we got four because of the willie was kind of the extra guy because of what happened and then oel's the other space let me play my rare role of middleman yeah um i think the both of you have points um what are they gonna say at us it's not a middleman no no no no what are they gonna say at us god sorry no it's it's okay i uh i feel to be on the other i was about to say am i like this every show i'm sorry i'm sorry this stuff i'm i'm actually like it's just something that i yeah no no i know go ahead it's my bugaboo there's nothing that they say that's gonna make us

feel better it is somewhat performative however a performance might be nice like i i i understand where Adam's coming from I would like the initiative of like okay you guys can ask for who you want it'd be great if one of them was like no I'm gonna speak you know what I mean one of the the letter a guys I maybe that's not how it works maybe I'm being ignorant I if we got Riley instead of Nylander that would be a disappointment I get that for your story yeah i'm talking about no no i'm not saying instead i'm saying and why can't why can't they send out a fifth a fifth guy is that too hard it's just it's just not like it's not about you understand jess this is not about the story that you guys or that any reporter would have down

there it's about a leader on this team standing in front of people and the media's job in theory is to be like hey what happened and a leader even if they're not a part of the main storyline of the game and none of those guys were except for the fact of them that you know with with the exception i think of morgan reilly had some good plays i think marna was invisible and tavaris was invisible um it's not about not getting knee lander it's not about not getting well it's not about not getting oel how he plays into that i don't know i think he's been good um that was out there talking about the power play okay good in particular it's about being i want his insight on that yeah it's about being a leader and and i that's austin matthews's job then what are the other guys

wearing the a4 like neil andrews here for another eight years that's a guy who should have a name i think you're both totally valid i i really do i don't know if there's a right or wrong here what i'm playing at here and this is what i'm going to keep an eye on this season is like i was absolutely flabbergasted after game seven when those two didn't come out flabbergasted i just can't believe it and i think it's i know it's the thing that the job that they hate the most we all have things that we hate if taking some hard questions after a shitty loss is too much for you then take the letter off and tavarez and marner speaking after columbus doesn't mean anything to you because it's not it's not the same spotlight and we cannot pretend that it is

you're in columbus on the second half of a back-to-back when 60 i'll even say of the media in this country don't send reporters on the road jesse has a point and morgan speaking it's a home and morgan speaking before the game coming off of columbus that didn't mean anything to you because the game hadn't been played yet two like no it doesn't and i'll tell you why yeah uh because it's cooled down you know what i mean like yes he's technically speaking after columbus but like the context of morning skate is not hey you're pretty shit yeah it's columbus but in the context of him speaking before the game it's like we don't need morgan quotes after the game like i think we're getting i don't care what morgan has

to say before the game i would say things of give a shit yeah but so you're you're getting morgan instead of like it just doesn't align with how it works in the media veils well maybe they should make it work maybe they i i think and i think jeff o'neill's saying it and i think a lot of other people are saying it is at a certain point guys at a certain point the accountability thing has continued to be a problem and i you know i saw leaf fans for the first time last night people who are like hardcore ardent die for this team who are like man matthews and martin don't have it together i think those are different conversations to me like the accountability like we're them speaking to the reporters in the dressing room i don't think is where

they face any accountability at all. I think that comes on the ice and like Craig Burberry's decisions with who's playing with who and who gets deployed and how much ice time and the GM's decisions on who gets to stay here.

That's for me, if you're asking for accountability, it's like, Mitch, you don't get an eight-year contract. Like that for me is a different than like, hey, on a Thursday in October, you got to talk to the media. My accountability is like,

hey, your on ice stuff is where it's going to hurt because that's actually what matters okay i i your insight's really good adam has a good point i think ultimately if they had won that game um we wouldn't have cared if they sent out the training staff to talk to the media yeah you know what i mean um i i it's when the fans are down at home it's to me it's it's um it's not that it's invalid the criticism adam but to me it's and another thing like we're not talking about who's talking no but i see a trend developing here and it's just it's just something i see and i don't care how how much i get lit up in the comments

or how much people don't like me for it uh if you think that this team has been fully accountable then i'm you haven't been watching and when they're great i will be the first one to wave the flag like i was on monday night when they're great i'll be the first one to say holy shit that was fucking awesome more of that please it's it's just i think it's pointing out a hangnail on a broken leg okay yeah i don't know bigger i don't think they've been accountable for every playoff loss they've had over the last eight years like i don't because all they've done is being rewarded by that by continuing to be toronto maple leafs and making a lot of money and playing on the first and second line so like yeah they haven't been accountable for anything that's going on in

toronto because if anything they've been rewarded for it for it by giving more and more opportunities to have another crack at the cannon and so i i 100 agree that they haven't been accountable and the way to make them accountable for things is to change it and that is something that they haven't done okay take away and you know what that's all i i take that i take that i'll back off my point sure i just wanted to raise it now that was really good the other side of it very much sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to repel down and clean

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The speculation about Jim Montgomery right now, talk about accountability, is interesting. And, you know, and what Jimmy says is, you know, he had two coaches of the span of 22 seasons. Is Jeremy Jacobs going to be okay with three in three seasons? Now, this stuff could come up. It could die down. The reality is the Bruins haven't been good. Like, the Leafs have shown flashes of, holy shit, this team's really great. The Bruins have not been good.

Who's pushing the coach cue button? They got their asses handed to them by Florida twice. That's a really good voice. Oh, Quinville's in the next 30 days, man. He's coming. He's coming. Who's pushing the button? I think it's going to happen.

Dude, let's not forget that this is the same Bruins team that did some other stuff that was controversial, we'll say. I think Quinville makes a ton of sense there. Well, I think, you know, the Leafs are going to save Jim Montgomery's job because it's a really important Saturday night game, and they're going to save him the way they saved him in Game 7. Yeah. Like, this conversation we're having about the Bruins' tough start and everything, and, oh, is Jim Montgomery in the hot seat?

If they had lost that Game 7, he would not be back. I don't think so. Well, I want to say, too, to Bruins management, who are going to meet with ownership, How much of this is down to you? Jeremy Swayman missed training camp. That's your fault. You offered, you said you offered $64 million.

You hadn't. Then it came to $66. You were probably offering between $58 and $60 million bucks before that. Did it really matter that much? Is that what's sinking them? I don't think they've had great goaltending. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Is it? Is it? is it like a team getting older is it a team they're not they're not that old they got old some of the better players yeah they got old parts yeah but like they they opened the wallet for zadorov uh and that's ownership spending yeah they opened the wallet for lynn home oh i'm not saying ownership's not spending no no but like what i'm what i'm trying to say is yeah they cheaped out on swayman and that was dumb but like they're spending they're spending money on this team there's a lot of really young parts to this team like they might even be too young yeah in

certain spots um i just you know how we're sitting here doubting the leafs who have had some pretty ho-hum starts over the last few years and they end up doing pretty well in the regular season i mean what evidence do we have to doubt the bruins in any capacity well and i just thought find it interesting that if we're gonna compare apples to apples the leafs and bruins have both played eight games and the leafs have one more point yeah nice because but that's but that is in boston it changes so fast in boston i'm gonna get shit from no i know what i said today and they're gonna be like you're overreacting you're i've seen media say oh don't overreact fuck off fuck off with that don't overreact i'm a fucking fan i'll react the way i want to thank

you very much fuck off with that i can be pissed today and happy tomorrow i'm allowed to be that way i don't know are people happy with what happened this week there are people who are out there going okay you all need to calm down be rational like smart guy me stop it stop it i think you stop it i think everybody has a right to be upset with this team after those two performances this was supposed to be the get right game and they did not get right you should be mad thank you that that's such a good point like okay you have a stinker against columbus all right fine the next game being that you can lose that game yeah yeah like just because you tried your hardest doesn't mean you're gonna win right uh boy that was pretty shit yeah they didn't try their heart

i think that was the whole thing coming off a wednesday's pod when we were chatting i was like okay columbus sucked but tomorrow night is the real important game like that it was like okay you're gonna have a stinker every now and again and you didn't show up at all but now you got a chance to prove like hey that wasn't us and we're also going out there and trying we're also all trying to figure out what they are and we only have eight games to go on yeah and game six the reason we were all jumping for joy is we're like oh shit yeah they look great yeah right very next night we went oh what happened and we tried to rationalize it and then the blues one was concerning because there's way

fewer excuses for that loss than there were for Columbus so now the question is I'm sorry this is about the Bruins but like with the Leafs this well it matters right bow on it and move over the Bruins if we want to do that the the question is like okay for the first six games is that the

Leafs team we saw or is the last two games and that Tampa just had an off night you know could it be that Tampa suck that night made the Leafs good I don't know you might be i mean you have to ask the question maybe tampa had an off night and the leafs just took advantage of it and the leafs are more true to the form of what we've seen oh god over the

last couple days don't do that i feel like real sports chicken wings what are you thinking don't be that what are you talking about oh just maybe they were playing a little heavy tampa yeah yeah i don't know like and they the leafs played a great game against the rangers but they didn't win yeah you know so oh jesse and then now we're going to saturday and it's like okay tough game against the bruins both teams need to get right game yeah this this is very this is a valid discussion i think for bruins fans it's like this is how up against the like for as up against the ropes as you feel that's that's the leafs this is two teams in the exact same position basically yeah um both teams need the same thing on saturday leafs bruins

your point about the leafs win your point about it being eight games in and we're trying to figure it out it's it's like it's got to be the overarching conversation or overarching theme of the entire conversation because it is so early but eventually it gets late you know eventually we have enough evidence and we point at it and we say we are what they thought that are we eight games or are we eight years so exactly so it's like okay at game 15 if they're still struggling or if i game 15 they've turned it around eventually we got to point to the team and we got to say that's who they are at this point and then make some decisions about that going forward and let me just remind everybody who thinks i'm shitting on them for no reason

i picked this team to win the division i don't think anybody thinks you're shitting oh adam adam you're arguing with nobody here what is this freaky friday and stop pre-arguing you just make your point you know this team has the chance to do really special things like express your opinion you don't have to pre-defend it with people that may think you're shitting on whatever i don't know thanks i do need this i will take this hug thank you steven it's not your fault okay it's not your fault adam it's not your fault it's not your fault don't fuck with me man all right all right all right uh so the it's an old film yes the Montgomery stuff is fascinating the Montgomery stuff is interesting

I want to just re-quote Brad Marchand because we referenced it but he said it's unfortunate how coaches are scrutinized over things like that there's a lack of accountability nowadays because you can't because people can't handle the heat you make a mistake like that you deserve to hear about it that is uh man I it's it's Vince Vaughn in Anchorman I hate you but god damn it i respect you i know he's just he's like if brad marchand were here we would love him as our own and he is a rat so uh but man he's right so i was listening to 32 thoughts and they were talking about contact being made so i learned about this incident from that show i i hadn't seen it yet and i was like oh shit like did jim montgomery haul off and punch brad marchand like what

and when I saw it I'm like is this what we're talking yeah he kind of listen coach can't be doing that like and there's been uh wasn't it Bill Peters was accused of kicking a player in Carolina Mark Crawford too yeah Crawford did kick a player yeah like I'm sure I'm sure this has happened on NHL benches before and and it wasn't okay every time it happened right um that little nudge yeah like why are we talking that's that's not that's not a strike that's a hey wake up like it's i don't know i didn't i uh i did i didn't think uh the monty pushing shoving whatever you want to call it brad marshand was a thing the yelling was a thing but like i don't know add brad marshand to the list of probably 100 200 players that have been yelled at already this

season probably a solid quarter of the league for coffin one up um you know systems aren't in place yet this is uh october is the month of pond hockey yes that is also true and and you know important part of all the conversations that we have but i think it's worth reacting to what sample you have totally totally now the leafs currently are 21st in the league in points percentage there's uh there's 10 teams below them who maybe their fan base is having the same conversation yeah it changes so aggressively like early on they were four and two which is you're winning 66 percent of your games now they lose two games in three days and they're shit it's early but eventually it's not going to be early yeah yeah no you're right hey everyone this episode

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I think we need to get to Wagon Corner. Cool. The Winnipeg mother effing Jets. Wagon Peg. Wow. Wagon Peg. I like that. Jesse, how are we feeling about the Connor Hellebuck save percentage thing?

I, by the way, don't know what it is at now. You're dead. We have Jets fans commenting still on our Winnipeg Jets season preview going, literally, fuck you, Jesse. As they should. Now, they almost coughed it up yesterday. They did. They had a 3-1 lead.

They almost coughed it up. But they didn't. Did they win, though? They won. They won. No, 940 save percentage. That 920 is looking good. So he's down from, I believe, 948.

Yeah, he's down from the last time. Bum! Bum! Hella bum! That's terrible. 9.40? Get good. Get good, Hellabum.

The absolute stupid thing about the Winnipeg Jets, second in goals for, second in goals against. They are executing at every single facet of the game. Why not first? Absolute wagon. Why not first? Absolute wagon. Get good.

I don't know if they're ever going to lose a game. Do better. They may never lose a game. They may go 82 and they had the overtime one. No, they may go 82 and 0. I said Flames and OT. I'm sticking with it. Do you guys remember what your picks were?

and even if you don't just make another i i remember saying i think the jets will have lost by then um they won't they won't have oh man wagon peg rolls on baby wagon peg rolls on jesse anything oh yeah you changed your i did change my change your opinion um i think i didn't make a prediction Wednesday for this but I'll say that the Jets win on Saturday okay and then the Leafs beat them on Monday because that's the most least thing to happen they lose to the Bruins on Saturday but then they stomp the Jets on Monday or or or it's Leafs nation civil war where we make a big deal out of back-to-back losses then they beat the Bruins and Jets yeah either either way i think the leafs win monday because that's the most leafs thing i need i need a leafs win over

the bruins uh like i need air like i need it i need it in my i need it to be okay on sunday for our live show in oshawa and and uh we also i also in the wagon bowl five points percentage and i think this is important and the wagon wagon corner is the washington capitals who have five wins and then one loss in regulation and that's it um a team that is getting pretty good goaltending logan thompson fantasy sleeper he's not going to play enough games for you to get them all the time but waiver wire pickup i think i forgot to tell you that earlier sorry adam calgary's got to still be ahead of washington in the wagon bowl but minnesota's leaped has been ahead of calgary in the wagon yeah i think we're ranking wagons and then third or fourth probably washington

Washington. Yeah, because they were ranked ahead of Calgary going into the season, I think. Yeah. Oh, my God. Way ahead. Yeah, yeah. Washington's a playoff team. Yeah.

And then the least surprising teams, New York and Dallas, who are both. You don't get to be wagon bowl if you're already good. Well, if you're already good and you go on a seven for seven, then you're the Jets. Yeah, yeah. They had 110 points last year. Yeah. No, for like the Rangers. The Rangers are five and one right now.

For the Rangers to enter wagon bowl, they got to be like just really impressive. They got to be Jets. They've got to be like 10-1, you know? That's such a valid point. I don't know if the Jets count. No, they haven't. No, but the Jets have got 7-0 is wagon. Yes.

Even at 5-0, I'm like, yeah, you know, Jets, you've got to keep going. So lucky number 7 is official. Now they're at wagon territory. Well, they're in 6. You have to have criteria for these things. Then what are we talking about if there's no criteria? Then it's just standard. Then we're just fucking chatting.

It's lawless. By the way, if the Jets win against Calgary. you gotta have rules in the wild west ever no better than the birds in the air and the fish in the sea when you put rules in the wild west you become a society and this is a society that's right you send in the pinkerton flaws and all if the jets win in calgary and then they win in toronto they will be on the verge of uh tying the 93 94 leafs and the which which which sabers team to go like 10 0 and 0 to start a year and so they'll be in record-breaking territory by mid to late next week because if they go 11 0 and 0 no team has ever started a season like that the

early season's so stupid well that's what's so fun about it it's no you can react angrily and then be extremely happy the next night we're not talking no we're not talking in weeks we're not talking in months we're talking in days no it's like the plan you must not get worked up or happy about anything you must be a cold-blooded invertebrate longest winning streak from the start of an nhl season the toronto maple leafs and the buffalo sabres own the record at 10 the 93 94 toronto maple leafs won 10 straight games and the buffalo sabres in 2006 2007 won 10 straight games that team was cracked it will shock you to know the sabres were once good at hockey the winnipeg winnipeg jets right here are very close if you remember last season the vegas

golden knights won seven straight games yeah wow i forgot about that um that is a thing that happened but the jets they're tied at i guess they're tied for ninth with all of these scenes nine through seventeen so they beat calgary they're in the top 10 all time oh yeah wow that that leafs game is gonna be very important if uh they beat calgary yeah wow that's cool i say they do it yeah i say they no no i think they lose i think they lose to the leafs on monday yeah Now, I want to mention Shea Theodore, who was supposed to be one of the most sought-after free agents

at the end of this season, just signed a ridiculous contract. Ridiculous contract with the Vegas Golden Knights. Okay, guys. All right, fine. No, let's do nothing about the cap in tax-free states. Let's just continue to do nothing because there's clearly no advantage.

even if the advantage is a perceptual advantage it's an advantage that contact theodore seven years 7.425 million dollars per year that contract's a joke that contract's a joke that's how great it is to play in vegas too uh and win a cup there yeah you know uh no that contract's a joke he's underpaid by like at least a mil and a half like if he hit the open market get out of my face oh my god yeah that's such a sweetheart deal for vegas it's unbelievable unbelievable and it's vegas so they could just trade them if they stopped liking them so well they will they will um this we got it we got to have a just a quick i just want to quick note again what is this quick note again those tax-free states those contract numbers seem to be a lot lower than

everywhere else i wonder why that is anyway good for vegas good for shea theodore and uh this guy rules and damn i'm jealous he's so so so good on a good team so good um uh you know who hates that deal actually is uh every other good defenseman in the nhl yeah well i was gonna say i forgot what montour signed for with the kraken i'm just gonna pull it up here seven uh montour 7.142 ah so within 300 000 of shea theodore i think 7.142 brings him to 50 and montour's 30 right and theater is what 28 29 29 so i i don't know how dissimilar they are they're both offensive defensemen oh i think shea theodore's got the edge yeah theater's pretty damn good dude one of the most underrated players in the league honestly unless you you don't pay attention

he rolls very hard he's extreme on my fantasy team he rocks yes um very good i had him last year as an aside too uh uh elias petterson and jt miller got into it at practice vancouver canucks have had a bit of a tough start obviously they got a goalie with an injury that no goalie in the history of the league has ever had um you know they're still 10th in the conference they've only played six games three one and two listen we take that uh yep uh they have the same amount of points as the Leafs so but you know a little bit of frustration and apparently according to firehound logic on the Donnie and Dolly show um Miller called Pedersen a baby oh now not baby girl like you know not baby girl I love you no it's just baby oh okay um it's not as good another

team notably got into this uh recently and they've done a lot better Peyton Krebs Rasmus Dolly and the buffalo sabers they're on a two-game win streak right now and i think they've played pretty good hockey since wagon since the the attempted knee takeout what are they what are they four and one three and one since then yeah they're doing very well three and one i think that's pretty good man i'll take it that what does that give them the same record as the leafs cool just about not quite oh yeah um um listen the vancouver canucks uh as long as they have this group are always going to be that couple that argues um when they walk into the party um because they and you can tell they argued the whole way there and um about an hour later

they're making out on the couch making it everyone's business and uh that's just how they operate man they're weird they have a strange dynamic in that locker room they hired the perfect coach i feel stupid for ever doubting that rick talk at hire um he is an expert at managing volatile but talented situations yeah crosby sorry malkin castle in pittsburgh yeah like i'm really all right miller miller like okay a lot of people are focusing on petterson because he's not doing well and he got called a baby we're not going to focus on the fact that this is like the third time this has happened with Miller in Vancouver at least remember he

he didn't even wait to get to practice with Luke Shen remember what happened no what happened there oh they were going at it at like center ice on their way off and Connor Garland's in the middle like hey come on guys and two of those three guys are still there

it's fine it's fine they're gonna be fine they'll survive I like it Elias Pettersson since march 21st uh 2024 has zero even strength goals oh my god no goals this season that is uh 26 games plus that's 32 games zero even strength goals that's so many games it's a lot of games that's regular season and playoffs that's a lot of games i don't think that's an insignificant amount of games no that's

a lot of games and he when do you hit it's too much money for that shit guys what do you what do you put them out at the concern-o-meter oh where are you if this was orange if this was somebody on the Toronto Maple Leafs I think your reaction would be a lot louder yeah no I'd be losing my mind yeah you would be like that's what the money is for yeah yeah but also uh the caducks are like doing all right and yeah no they they did all right through that whole stretch through this stretch of games it's lincoln it was a good signing by the way really good fantastic so far this season it's one of those things where yeah there's an obvious problem here but it doesn't become a problem i'm all that concerned about until they start losing all the

time right um it's worth noting keeping your back pocket try to fix it but as we keep out scoring the other team by the end of the night yeah it's okay like that's that's why there's not that much concern and freaking out and all that it becomes more of a problem when uh like the playoffs are happening you're doing well you'd like him to be scoring it's not that big of a problem brock bester's not going to play game seven okay it's a problem yeah it's it's a problem and i hate it and i wish he would score immediately the canucks so far this season with elias petterson zero goals have lost once in regulation time they're wow they're uh yeah that's why it's not a problem one loss in the shootout one loss in ot one in regulation and they have won three games in a

yeah that's why it's not a problem but and then yeah through their playoff run the entire 13 game stretch where he has no even strength goals they go to second round you're like oh they look really good against uh edmonton and you know if they have a goaltender maybe they make it through so it's uh it's stepbrothers like all right now the suits seem kind of fucked up like it's uh it's just one of those things where you don't care as long as they're winning yeah and you're second that stops your point about the game seven is like oh it started being a conversation about pedersen in his play towards the end of the edmonton series because a lot of people looked at it and they're like he could have been the x factor that got him over the hump plus like

the goaltending as i mentioned well we're all looking at edmonton like you know okay we're not worried about their their bad start they're going to be right there and there are a lot of people's cup pick bester plays that game they might have won who knows they might have won they might have gone to the final four um i probably would have picked them but you know when they didn't have besser it's it's kind of it's kind of hard it's tough it's yeah you need your guys to be your guys he's paid like isn't he the highest paid player on the team yes patterson yeah i think he's higher paid than quinn hughes yeah well for sure oh quinn hughes is on a sweetheart deal that deal real sweetheart i i don't i feel like it's not that long

didn't he sign a short one yeah i can't remember and then heronix at eight million so yeah i think he's well paid yeah peterson's 11.6 yeah till 2032 wow yeah not even uh it's not even close start maybe scoring artemi panarin money like yeah jt's at jt miller is at eight so yeah that's not a bad deal either and jt miller is a guy that will challenge guys and sometimes that works and sometimes you're bo horvat and it doesn't work whoa who's fighting at prac oh it's jt jc will challenge you in the middle of a game yes yeah we've seen yeah but the problem jt miller with bo horvat was jt miller wasn't playing well either he just was like i don't feel like playing defense this year quinn hughes face washes pd and calls him a baby that's news yeah yeah jt miller meh

by news is so good like i watch watching the amazon series made me appreciate him even more as what he does because he's an undersized defenseman who plays like he has size and his agility on the back end over it accounts for whatever he lacks in terms of just height wise or size wise he's just so good defensively that he he can overcome any obstacle he has in terms of what other other players have and just their stature on on the ice and he's the best in the world right crazy passing crazy vision he's the best in the world right now outside of Kael McCarr, who's off to one of the best starts I've ever seen in any defenseman.

I was saying to Steve, I missed out on both of my drafts. I drafted eighth. And I missed out on Leon Dreisaitl both times. He was drafted sixth in one, I think, and then seventh in the other or something like that. And I ended up in both drafts with Kael McCarr. And boy, am I happy. You ended up with Kael?

Both drafts. If you have a solid defense, you can win. It's crazy. I want to mention that just breaking as of five minutes ago, Larry Brooks of the New York Post is reporting that Alexis Lafreniere and the New York Rangers are closing in on a seven-year extension worth what? Just to give you an idea,

he's got seven points in seven games this year. 57 points last year, career-high, 28 goals, 29 assists. 7.8. He stole my number. Did I actually? Yeah. On the button? 7.6.

Jesse nailed it. No! Thank God you stole my number. just under 7.6 million fuck yeah you guys were both really close well done great deal that's what that's what it should be eight million dollar shit that we had conversation we had like a week ago too high this is right where it should be he now here's a guy that was a high like the highest pick you could be uh and he really earned it yeah um he's earned this extension more than i think i've seen a rookie earn an extension in a long time he's a good player he's a breakout player

he was great in the playoffs um as a leaf fan i'm sick well yeah but also remember that he didn't have numbers like matthews and marner and i know he's never like knee lander when he sat out had it was coming off a 69 point season marner when his contract was signed was coming off a 94 matthews scored 40 goals in his rookie year i'm sick laughing years done none of those things oh my god could you imagine that a player who was selected first overall in october because the world was shut down yep took a little bit of time from the age of 18 to now he's 23 to develop into the skill that he always had in him shocked that like whole draft basically oh my god i think hey maybe we give this kid a bit of time and then he'll get to this point in his career and yeah

they gave him time and they didn't give up on him and now he's here like geez everybody who was on lafreniere i uh well let's see it wasn't just him too this is why i'm trying to bring up uh the 2020 draft i want to see if there's a bunch which took place in october yes it was freaking weird so okay this is really interesting alexi lafreniere took a while yeah he's here Quinton Byfield took a while he's here shocked

Tim Stutzla basically showed up and was unreal Lucas Raymond kind of showed up and was unreal Jake Sanderson

I'd say he took a couple years he's really good he's there now but he got that contract after a 34.77 like he played

one season those are Nikita Zaitsev rookie numbers that's what Jake Sanderson got hey listen had Lou Lamborello

been here that's what Zaitsev would have got Now it gets crazy. Number six, Jamie Drysdale. He's taken a while. Alexander Holtz. If I'm not mistaken, hasn't he already been traded or waived?

Yeah, he's not on New Jersey. I want to say he's on Vegas now. I think he was part of that deal with the goalie, Akira Schmidt. Anyway, number eight, Jack Quinn in Buffalo. Yeah. Good memory. Taken a while. um no i'm reading it no the alexander holtz oh number nine marco rossi he took a while

and part of that was illness from 2020 um colper fetty he was expected to make a bigger impact in winnipeg faster i'd say he's showing up but it took a while yaroslav askerov well we see how that's gone and then you get into like anton lindell seth jarvis dylan holloway like you know cole perfetti is more than a point of game player right now right now yeah no but like he's showing up like yeah he's showing up put him on the list of like guys who have shown up right but it took a while yes yes but i'm saying they have to play him now he's here yeah it's they weren't playing him weird injured weird draft weird draft no no i know they weren't playing him that's what i mean know right but like when he was healthy they weren't really playing i mean either the jets

the jets over the last few years have been one of the best teams at healthy scratching players in the lineup ehlers betty like yeah bones really like took it to them man um you're gonna you look like a 12 minute a night guy how do you how do you feel about that shitty all right we'll deal with it um i know there was a lot of fans in newark new jersey who tried to dump on the rangers for drafting Alexis Lafreniere and calling him a bust, but I don't think we can drop that label now. Who are these people, Jesse? Who are you pre-arguing with?

No, I'm not pre-arguing. I'm post-arguing with them for four years calling him a bust. I think we can drop the bust label on Lafreniere now. Can we all collectively agree as a hockey community? I'm asking for peace

here. How did a Rangers fan get Leafs credentials? But Jesse, he's in East Rutherford. What if he only scores seven points this year? Is he back to bus status on a long-term contract? We've got to find out. Seven points? Where are you getting that?

He's only got seven points this year. I'm like, what if he doesn't score? Haven't they played like six games? Seven games. He's a point a game? There's so many more games where he may not score, Jesse. We still don't know. We simply just don't know.

That's how anxiety looks at this. Yes, you've had a good time so far, but there's so many games where you could fail. Adam said that's how anxiety looks at this and looked me dead in the eye. Oh, my gosh. is peace between the prudential center and madison square garden you will not find for both of them to hug you want good luck people from new jersey to make peace with people from new york yes through them it's like oh you know what let's get philadelphia in there to to mediate that like come on i was gonna say by the way vancouver is a market you know we forget

this because vancouver because we were talking about them earlier vancouver hasn't had a really good team for a long time right until last year um that's a tough tough market when that team is good oh holy jeez you don't want to be the bad guy on the good team poor look ask mason raymond how he feels about it damn ask uh uh anybody that's played there that's had like the slip vancouver get get on you faster than montreal and toronto that's one of my like favorite early years rants what's that i i think uh the canucks when they were like on their president's trophy tear they like kicked the leafs ass or whatever i'm like well since i know canucks fans are watching this how dare you ever complain about masonry if that's your biggest complaint i think you're

doing okay yeah and then he joined the leafs um i want to quickly do this this quick story just to make everybody feel good before we go to the press conference okay this is good this is a feel good story about this hey guys you heard yesterday that jeff vinick uh is going to sell a majority stake in the club um i don't believe there's like a full number out there yet but they're you know valued at 1.8 billion 1.8 billion he bought him for 93 million uh 14 years ago wow he bought him i think for a i i think eugene paid similar money for the senators but the the way that the lightning have obviously been successful and the whatever one of the things that that has and cj is a guy that always talks about this is jeff vinick is known as one of the best owners

in the nhl so it's a shame that he's going but i guess he's still going to run things as a part of this deal kind of like mark cuban in in dallas with the mavericks but i just thought you guys would like to know that jeff vinick is paying about 20 million in bonuses to the organization's more than 300 employees each full-time employee will receive between 50 and 66 thousand dollars holy shit american american wow that's a lot of money that's life changing well for a lot of people that's their year that's life changing yeah i think that's pretty cool i just thought it was a cool story awesome yeah i'm so happy for them yeah and he you know what because i think he believes listen you this was a very small team and a very small operation when i took over you

guys helped me build this you deserve to take part in it i thought that was neat yeah i think imagine having that much money i'm gonna give you all like 50 g's wait who are you giving i don't know like hundreds of them i'm gonna give i'm gonna give away 50 g's that's so nice no no i'm not finished uh hundreds like fill an auditorium i'm giving all of them 50 g that's like you that's like oprah you get a car on steroids right oh my god that's awesome i'd rather have the 50 g's honestly yeah let's wow let's do the press conference the steve dangle press conference all right i got a shout out three people

francis francis jude gotta do a little nerve floss stop it listen to katie katie long and cameron defazio who might do you think that's cameron from philly uh philly sports i think he is of i'm gonna go with belgium heritage guys there's no italians in philly come on now nah what are you nuts all three of you i assume red wings fans sent me a story an instagram story that moritz cider posted so that we could bring back nhl car watch for today oh everybody's favorite bit let's go look at that now he's got okay first off this is a how many tires do we give it five out of five yeah the the ranking is you're out of five tires how are we giving this first um we need to describe the photo second i gotta give cameron's opinion okay um first of all

you're looking at instagram story of moritz cider with a black porsche it is very sleek he writes on his Instagram story. Thank you, Porsche Detroit North, for making sure that I always arrive in style. Fire emoji, F1 car emoji. He's standing next to the car with his nice plaid jacket. He's got a Porsche hat on. He is in, it looks like, the Porsche showroom with the car. The car looks beautiful. You see the front of the car, not really the side of it. That is the Instagram story. cameron when he sent it over he offered this opinion in my entirely biased opinion i'm going to give this a 10 photo the scale photo with car photo with guy that sold it to him so i think on the next slide he might have had the photo of the guy uh who sold it to him uh photo of a nice car

the dealership has really checking all the boxes here that was cameron's opinion steve and adam out of five tires cameron said 10 tires out of five how many tires are you giving this nhl car watch you go ahead steve uh this is aggressively good oh yeah and uh like i gotta describe it so one of the staples of nhl car watch is the car must be posed diagonally and this is the angle the angle it is very acute um it's of the nose of the car and it's slightly angled so you can see kind of the side of it it's not dead on it's just a little you should still be able to see both headlights nailed the angle beautiful the lighting great light nailed it great natural sunlight in there

even though it is filmed indoors or shot indoors the reason this is so gosh darn elite belong beyond the setting and the lighting of the photo moritz cider is dressed like the car i would just i was gonna say the same thing he matches the car and he matches the rim look at the rim oh he's got white shoes white porsche hat black pants black t-shirt black plaid shacket jacket on top of it this i think is the best one we've seen i it's a little bit like um those blind rankings where you don't want to give up the top spot because what if someone surpasses it i mean this is excellence it's spectacular it's great i agree with everything steve said the i might have to give it a five oh i'm giving it a five for i think

i have to give it five tires out of five and by the way look at the salad coming out of the back of that hat yeah the salad's got to be some bonus points that's a guy that just signed a 50 million power stance hands and pockets little lemon joggers on 40 but also cool he knows he's the shit um not um i'm gonna go with mature emoji use didn't overdo it didn't underdo it thank the people tag them properly yeah yeah i mean this is this is simply elite company that we're we're sitting in on wow nhl car watch i love that now i'm gonna offer an opinion here about the the dealership that hooked them up with the porsche detroit north porsche detroit north who did not on their instagram post this what actually that makes more sense i have gone to

their instagram to look for cva do they have a hey look we're with most eider we sold them this porsche it's not there how many followers do they have 616 meh what does it matter yes did they put it in their story i understand i assume you love it but like the draw is you need to get it on siders the draw is to also have it on yours for people looking back and like what if they don't know that cider only put this on his story i went to cider's feed and it's not there are you are you about to dock the the best one that we've seen that's the best one jesse it might be a 4.5 jesse because this doesn't live anywhere outside of the screenshotted instagram story jesse if you wanted to find this right now you could only find it in i found it there was an article that also

wrote about the porsche oh is someone else taking it might have been spawn con but it doesn't live on instagram on either of their instagram pages which i think is a sin that is right yeah but they probably were how many followers does moritz have do we know oh mo he's got tons uh because here's the thing stories are valued in the influencing world less than your your current your tile and your reels 124 124 000 yeah i actually thought it would have been higher than that but um uh because they did this disappeared this happened like two days ago yeah they should have pushed for us i if he had like a million followers i'd be like okay i can understand a story being enough but yeah you need to be posting that that's that's uh detroit north that's bad social media

practice put it on your put it on your page i jesse's right he is right 4.75 yep no but i i'm taking a quarter tire i can't put his number in it four point what's what is his number the cider's number uh side i don't know it off my heart it's weird doesn't he have a weird number 53 he does have a weird number yeah yeah 4.53 4.753 there it is 4.53 is is good all right um also porsche detroit north we had the shoehorn o-meter on our vip episode if you're not a member of sdp vip go subscribe you get an extra episode every week good good adam said steve was the 10 out of 10 on the shoehorn shoehorn o-meter to end last show where does this rank on the shoehorn o-meter there's a post by porsche detroit north it is of a all-electric macan outside of little caesar's

arena and they wrote home to the detroit red wings the pistons and unforgettable concerts little caesar's arena is buzzing with excitement and the macon ev is joining the action just like the thrill of the game the game nights and live performances the macon ev delivers power agility and innovative electric energy i'm forget the shoe horno meter uh can we get the i'm not reading all meter that's nice for you that's sad but i'm not reading yeah uh i'm yeah i'm happy for you though or sorry that happened their ability to relate an electric car to an arena is it's an outstanding yeah admirable so clearly there are there are there are season sponsor at little caesars which is great uh i would say that whoever writes that copy uh i want you to speak to a human being the

next time um like it i it's that's like a really this is the thing man like sometimes when people write these posts i'm like who who is looking at that and going well shit now i need a macon a macon ev if you've got if you've got that kind of money i bet that that like that is a spectacular buy for you oh yeah great brand no they're fantastic but like that is not gonna get somebody with uh with that kind of money to go you know what you've converted me it's just like little caesars no it's brand reinforcement it's reinforcement brand reinforcement but it's not doing a good job and you know what it's garbage no i don't i don't have enough money for a porsche macan but if i ever get it they just planted a seed today no i hope you're gonna

be like damn it's electric in here like the energy at little caesars arena for the last police pistons for the last police pistons like come on man nobody has ever had that thought in their mind they have never now wait maddie you cut the clips for all of our social media for the sdp like you you do the social stuff yeah how how are you rating this caption here for porsche detroit north and the mccann and litter caesars first of all all the hashtags like it's giving boomer it's oh no yeah that's a waste of space nobody does that many hashtags no comments should i like it a gen z just no yeah i absolutely should like it jesse is and others can you comment jesse yeah okay what do we want to write just say just say i'm getting a macon now

wow i should get one should i know that seems wow no no wow that is electric and and put a star on put an asterisk on either side of is it has to be no no no no no no see that's just whoa that is electric like this no no no asterisk oh you ever use a keyboard before it's giving boomer i wasn't there that is electric exclamation mark just one um and no no okay now i've decided to make this old put a car emoji okay can you do that shortcut there you go that's giving boomer jesse type in car and now use the first thing that comes up there you go wow that is electric everybody can now go to the detroit north post instagram page by the way if you are listening okay and you don't like jesse's comment i'm gonna be so i'm gonna go like it

they're gonna be so good i feel sorry no i feel bad don't it's dude we're drawing attention to their ass they're gonna be so confused are you kidding me what's their instagram again like a underscore yeah like it it's boomer it's porsche underscore detroit underscore north who's using underscores anymore steve i really want to see how many likes we can get on this hopefully people will listen all right yeah okay don't like the just like the comment like the comment oh i'm liking both underscore detroit why all right i'm liking the comment too where should people should people reply with anything to the comment i'm gonna do it just say wow me too or no that doesn't make no no you have to have some sort of electric pun in there there's already

two likes well i like that's steven steven you have to have some sort of something with electricity or because the whole thing is electric and like man you know you know i mean that's what it has to be you're not giving me anything well i'm not going to tell you what to say come up with something no that's i thought we were coming up with something well no i think other okay so my comment i'm gonna write wait refresh it i sure can't feel the buzz my comment oh yeah yeah so so here i'll send it there i sent it so now now you can refresh it and put it on the screen because i think i executed it very well jesse do it now or i'm leaving this room i swear to god this is great uh i responded couldn't have said it better myself self send hands up emoji

it's giving proud father couldn't have said it better myself self-send hands up emoji adam's loving this by the way can we just talk about what an enormous flex it is to have a mike's pizza at the bottom of little caesar's arena good for good for mike's pizza i don't know but they got a pizza place in an arena named after a pizza place. Well, Mike, isn't he the owner? Wasn't he the owner that... Oh, Mike Illich.

Yeah, that's Mike Illich. That's Phil Flex, because he owns the place. I also want to say, and I'm going to say this, no negative comments. This is supposed to be fun. Don't be an asshole. Don't be an asshole. All right.

Oh, hey. Listen, asshole. Don't be an asshole. Nothing, but I only want to see positive comments this is no this is my do not leave that do not take that down this is too far i only want to see positive comments about this electric vehicle dude we are doing they're gonna reach out and be like thank you we're giving are they yes they're we're giving this post so much play are you kidding me come on now sorry there you go i'm sorry my ear my headphones off because my ears

get hot um but i laugh too hard so i was laughing so hard i'm like my ears are getting really hot like sweat no listen this is why we're this is not this is not a bad integration how do i delete this siri how do i delete this all right no this is fun the point is to keep it fun everybody keep it fun anybody that says this segment isn't the greatest segment we've ever done you don't know what that's pretty good you don't know what the hell you're talking about it's pretty good uh anyways anything else jess i'm gonna like steve's comment i am too actually porsche detroit north going back to it i want to go to mike's pizza can we drive down to detroit

and go do a tour of porsche detroit north i'm gonna i'm gonna do the most boomer thing where it's just on a comment you start having a personal conversation okay okay do you know dan from from uh where should we do um from the range no no no no no no no um um um where did they have the uh the the winter classic in 2014 ann arbor do you know dan from ann arbor yeah and i think ann arbor spelled wrong no no that's so that's good it's good it's good that's perfect my headphones are coming off of this you know dan from ann arbor sweat coming here it's ridiculous so you sense it so i'm gonna reply

sorry no did you reply here let me refresh i did reply i did i just i just i was uh i know what i'm gonna write this this isn't even for the audience anymore like i'm just having too much fun sorry no and i'm gonna the four people in this room okay period yes yes perfection no no excellent great amazing all right i'm sorry detroit north porsche we're having a little fun today hey if you need a great electric vehicle detroit porsche north the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle

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