The Steve Dangle Podcast - Push & Shove | December 21, 2022

Episode Date: December 22, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the Marek Malik jersey is real! (00:00), if you could bring back any player who would it be? (07:00), Jack Campbell’s struggles (11:30), the Leafs handle the Lightning with ease (24:00), Dan Kelly pushes Michael Bunting (33:00), JVR to the Leafs? (46:00), Seth Jones to the Sens? (52:00), is Phil Kessel’s Iron Man streak coming to an end? (56:00), and Adam “Edge” Copeland was on Game Over Toronto! (1:01:00). Originally aired: December 21, 2022 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Ontario Only. Must be 19+ or older to play. Visit this episode's sponsors: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at https://Manscaped.com/. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. It’s time to get wet and clean with your new MANSCAPED™ Shower Routine." https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn https://shopify.com/sdp https://athleticgreens.com/sdp This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/sdp and get on your way to being your best self. Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

this show is presented by manscaped manscaped steve yeah hands up in the air for manscaped that's what you were doing you were rooting on manscaped i was in the middle of a legendary stretch about manscaped yeah right if someone tickle you in the middle of a stretch oh it's the worst it wrecks the stretch punch him right in the absolutely how dare you anyway manscaped.com slash dangle to receive 20 off your next purchase and free shipping let's do it the steve dangle podcast powered by sports interaction want to bet d p p the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake hello gentlemen hi welcome back thank you thank you hey sicky oh man what a time what a time

um we'll talk we can talk about that later we don't need to do that i heard you guys did 10 minutes on brandstrom uh eric brandstrom oh yeah that was the first kids table episode somebody messaged me and was like can you please get back he did an ama he did an ama on our ottawa senators oh on your ottawa senators that's right no on our on reddit oh r r r you did you see eric brandstrom did oh he did okay that's why we were talking about first this is good this is an awful start you know what i think it's a great start yeah it can't be worth it 10 minutes again fuck off you guys are just feeling a little insecure about your 10 minutes on brandstrom that's what it is you know what they're projecting i think we did a great job um

we do want to talk about this though uh this goes back to my long-standing hate of the that one clip of merrick malik and that stupid penalty shot that they played forever and ever and he's like you know he's like a he's like a tree he's like one of the ents from lord of the rings taking a penalty shot and he actually has some some dangles and scores but the thing is the goal is awesome it's just the replaying of it and the people just falling out of the aisles and jumping into freezing cold lakes in shock every time that that clip plays despite the fact that you've all seen it 10 000 times drives me crazy decades it was the number one highlight on tsa i know i like and i'm like on it you i know everybody's seen this right where it's not

that exciting anymore i look at the reaction to the merrick malik shootout goal the way i look at old footage of girls screaming at the beatles yes yeah and it's and the reason they're doing that is because they had never seen something like that before right in their lives so they couldn't handle it but to scream losing it that's exactly what it's like yes yes the footage looks just about as old that it does actually it starts to look dated from the far off year of 2005 it's crazy how how much tv pictures have gotten better isn't it they saw hips gyrate once and they thought we cannot fathom going back this is where society is now it is full steam ahead ed sullivan will never recover from this i think i'm very slowly transitioning into young elvis from the beatles

anyway you didn't see what i mean i did just so jesse yes jesse um can you tell us about the the merrick malik bet yeah so michael said he needed to get a jersey uh he want he's getting a new jersey a new york rangers jersey and then he asked us what he should get on the back steve and i said the most funniest thing you can do in the world is get a merrick malik jersey and michael he did it so on the screen right now if you're watching you'll see michael in his new york rangers jersey he is doing the merrick malik pose yes glorious michael wrote in all of his glory merrick malik if it makes any difference adam wild you're not the first person i've disappointed jesse blake and steve dangle i request the highest of fives your turn michael and remind me your jersey size

medium definitely medium michael are you a rock climber i yo he can we can we just get a zoom in on whose guns michael i think you should do more curls bro your biceps are fucking booming yeah but look at his hands and forearm though that's a rock climber jesus yeah oh yeah the forearm yeah that's not some guy just doing it in the gym he's using that yeah those are active active muscles those muscles could go between the legs and snipe on olaf kolzig in the shootout he's he's the he's like he he could go to a rangers game and then fly home based on those things those are huge those fucking wings what is that jesse blink what is that what's in my hand right now it's a new york rangers jersey what did you get statue of liberty did you get yourself a ranger jersey

no michael i'm here to support you wow hey who's on it though who's on it though michael you wouldn't know this getting a custom jersey takes 800 weeks it does i couldn't get it even my andre palat one which was like the iron-on version from the nhl store which is still 800 million dollars uh that took like six weeks to show up you know what that's good stuff i i if i knew you were bringing this i would have brought my leafs reverse retro oh yeah because i just got one the new one yeah but i got the salming patch that i got to put on it and i was thinking about putting a name what i don't know i don't know what name maybe that's the if it's not dryden hunt dryden hunt that's right here we go um jess that looks great right it's a spectacular

jersey great you know what maybe they should win the cup i don't know i'm gonna be wearing this jersey when they lift it maybe they should lift the cup the cup is the same color as the and steve you don't know this but adam's in on this i am take off your pants no actually yeah no no it's not no no no i'm just wearing my typical jockey underwear my friend don't worry cool yeah anyway what would be worse the jockey underwear or the medium uh aaron andrews collection again the uh jockey underwear because that's now it's just a man in his underwear i don't know hey man she ate what she used to be ate what she used to be from the simpsons you don't know that i don't know that that one no that's that's one of the sideshow

bob episodes no crusty the clown let's move on um i just sent you a text i want you to bring up this board this is something from bar down um but there's a reason i'm bringing up something from bar down um and it has to do with a listener question okay so it's an important listener question okay so just just just bear with me on this one it's important okay now bar down is the king of um it's lunchtime i got nothing to do so i'm going to check out my instagram and oh here's jesse pollock uh walking around in hockey tape only which is a hilarious bit by the way i don't even know how they thought of that no one is more willing to do absolutely fucking anything than that guy yeah it's crazy and then uh and then like i'm just gonna go to the store and buy the

most equipment most expensive equipment i can buy uh but but also they're really good about like engaging your boomer dad uh about like you know stuff like this so if you can bring back one player for one game who would it be any player that played in the nhl now i want to know what your names are or what the names you give are before i get to the listener question because it's a great question so i get to bring back any player one game from is there any parameters on this like what are we talking about far down far down that's the parameter based on bits best based on what to what team whatever you want it can be anything you want any position any position i mean surely wayne gretzky okay for hockey for hockey for the oilers or the rangers or the kings

of the blues 215 point gretzky wayne gretzky which is not 92 goal wayne gretzky so maybe i should go with 92 goal Wayne Gretzky okay let's go with that for who well you want him to the Oilers you want him that level yeah okay you want to see him play with McDavid I like that oh wait so wait wait wait wait wait I may have misunderstood the parameters so they come back and they have to play for the team that they were on not necessarily well no okay then I want Wayne Gretzky on the current Leafs okay great cool that's cool okay what is this the game well that's that's the parameters that bar down provided trust me this is going someplace so tell me tell me jesse what's your answer ah you know as a big rangers fan i would probably probably pick a great ranger but

i think i'm gonna go with pavel beret he was not a great ranger he was not but he was a new york ranger yeah for two seasons and pavel beret pre-injury was pretty amazing i'm gonna bring back the florida panthers 99 2000 pavo beret who scored 58 goals in 74 games in the dead puck era that's so ridiculous 58 in 74 ridiculous insane that's that's the player i want that yeah i don't blame you yeah how many games did he play 82 in total no no total in his career 702 was so robbed of pavel burr i know oh my god it's like him and bobby or right just completely robbed him forsberg lindros yeah yeah um so our our uh our guy zach messaged me with this and he said listen if the answer is to this question is anything other than mike medano are you a bad hockey fan

interesting let's hear it because and red wings mike medano no red wings mike medano Because he was at 1499 games If you pick any other player Than Mike Medano are you a bad person My heart I was kidding but he's right Isn't he Zach's right

I gotta think when the stars brought him back For him to retire as a star They thought about it Why can't they do that I don't know why they don't do that Now he'd have to un-retire Yes Now he's like how old is Mike Medano

he's probably probably in his late 40s he did not retire recently no that was a while ago now no i think with 2011 mike medano is 52 oh gee yeah that ship has sailed yeah but if at the time you had to do it you could have done it you gotta say screw mike babcock and fucking do it that is a great friggin answer see that's a smart person though yeah that was zach with his smart person answer anyway i just thought i wanted to highlight zach because i you know when i was in my flu Leighton Hayes it was like oh wow he's right yeah we should just bring back

everybody that Babcock screwed so we're bringing back Jason Spezza for the home opener in Toronto oh and to get him to a thousand points yeah honestly he fell just short okay so I want to read you this stat

before we get into the Leafs here just play him on the top power play unit until it goes Kevin Papetti stats this season Murray and Sam saw enough uh 25 games played 927 combined save percentage gross great hilarious campbell and marazic 26 games played this year combined save percentage of 874 wow now 874 i'm trying to think there's a leave goalie in recent memory who had an 874 and they were unusable i want to say it was backup andrew raycroft like backup to vesitas oh that could

that would have usable yeah to be fair to marazic he doesn't play for a hockey team no no he doesn't that's not an but even when he did he didn't play hockey for the team that could play hockey and there were someone sent me a clip of him recently and it brought back something that i had forgotten i gave marazic last year a criticism that i've never given any goalie ever he doesn't know where his net is he he legitimately has no idea where his goalposts are at any given moment and on the blackhawks it's just gotten worse because they get shelled every freaking night wow they stink man yeah they do stink they're brutal some nights he's their best player i don't know what you do about that other than watch a lot of

regina pats games i don't know what you do about that yo i i watched and we're going to talk a a little bit about Chicago later but I watched I watched some sort of highlight and I forget who they lost to

this weekend Chicago but yeah Chicago but somebody did like the NHL 2012 cross crease pass and but it was like Marazic was playing goalie

but it was an actual guy playing as Marazic and he just kept sliding like he just oh I know he slid and then he kept sliding and then it was

a wide open net because who cares where your net is it doesn't matter he has no idea and that was the thing watching him last year you said that all the time

he had no idea no idea where the net is Like, no idea. Like, the amount of times he was in great position for where he thought the net was. Right. Oh, and the guy shoots it, and it whizzed by me, but that's going wide. Why would he shoot it there? Oh, it's in the net, because I have no idea where the fuck it is.

Last year's duo has allowed 50 more goals on 104 more shots. Say that again. Last year's duo, compared to this year's duo for Leafs goalies, has allowed 50 more goals on 104 more shots. Holy shit. Yes. That's also part of the Kevin Papetti tweet. That is the same tweet, by the way. The first part and the second part, same tweet.

That's a good tweet. So basically, if this year's jugger, oh, I almost said it. Yeah. Ah, I didn't say the third syllable. I'm not CJ. this year's extremely good go for the jugular third place

in the NHL still I think Leafs if they had that goaltending would be like in the Conor Bedard sweepstake potentially they'd be better dude if they allowed 50 more goals they have better team defense than Chicago

they had awful goaltending not 874 it was pretty bad It was below 900 outside of the first two months of the year. There's a big difference between 870 and 890. 890 is bad. 870 is no shot. No shot.

You're winning three out of every ten games max. They wouldn't keep playing the guys. We're not taking that exact goaltending and placing it in the team. We'd be like, let's try Keith Petruzzelli. He's playing tonight. yeah they would they would go as many goalies deep as they needed to jack jack hamill and the edmonton oilers have a problem though because they just re-up stewart skinner but you you paid jack hamill a bunch of money to come and be the starter like i get that you got two goalies and

it's good but how are you committing that much money to a guy you're just gonna bench it's only good if they're both goalies are good right the oilers are taking a lot of abuse today because they're not where they ought to be um but bad decisions should not prevent you from making good ones and i think the stored skinner extension is really good uh because it's a really good goalie problem is you got four more years of you have four and a half more years of jack campbell right he's not even we're not even halfway through the first jack campbell season well and i i don't even know i mean listen jack is what he is as a goalie and we all know like you've seen his post games forever in toronto and and and la i'm sure you saw a little bit of it when when he gets down

on himself he gets really down on himself and if i were working with him i would be like we need to do something about that that is not going to help you down talking yourself to the point that he does publicly you can only imagine what he says behind the scenes it's not going to help it should have been a red flag um you know maybe i'm overthinking this and maybe it's just that their defense is terrible because it is it is terrible they allow a lot of high danger chances and they do but uh it's a tough market tough tough market and i know he came from toronto toronto i feel is a little different because we come from a long line of worshiping goaltenders actually so if you have several good games you can have a bad month honestly because we'll remember the good ones

Well, and also we don't, we have this anathema of criticizing any goaltending here. Like Freddie Anderson got very little criticism while he was here, ever. Even in those playoff series where he was garbage. Because for the first two years of his Leafs career. He was unbelievable. During the regular season. He kept the team afloat. Yes.

No question. But then, but then like, you know, when he came back, it was literally unplayable. The Toronto media was still like, well, maybe they'll dress him in the playoffs. You're like, no, Jack Campbell's going to start the playoffs. there's almost like a plus minus of criticism yes like okay he yeah a bank there's equity right like he did he had two good years of being good and they were stellar so he needs to be bad for at least the next two years before we talk about how he's bad right right but that you know jack started in the minus in edmonton and it hasn't it hasn't been better he'll have three

goals in his first period and won the game by the way but i think the thing about jack campbell and way he's played the real blame actually should be placed at the foot of one person and that's jesse pull yarvey i agree that it is clearly his fault yes and uh and if you read did you guys see the mark specter tweet last night pull yarvey and mcdavid's uh uh they tried to their dads tried to high five and they missed and he's like oh it's just like on ice they have no chemistry oh my gosh that's a real real tweet why would he say shit i think he's making a joke in his mind so it was dark though it was dark it was really dark i don't i don't have to be honest with you i thought oh it's a little it's cutting it a little close there marcus but anyway it's a uh

it's a it's a trying time in edmonton and obviously mark specter's article today to a true pro um mark specter's article today is is making a lot of making the rounds and i can kind of read a little bit of it to you um this is how he starts and i and you know he knows he knows he's gonna I get you. He says, somehow Ken Holland's Can't show that meme. Yeah, it's funny.

Somehow Ken Holland's kitchen just keeps getting hotter and hotter. Is it because of social media where hockey fans can find an echo chamber that strengthens a belief?

Whether that belief has merit in the real world or not? Or is it access to information with sites like Natural Stat Trick and Moneypuck that arm hockey fans

with information today that did not exist a decade ago? Fans are smarter now than the local GM and surely wiser than hockey writers. So it was

it's just uh you know he's it was i i guess i guess mark woke up and chose violence man he's just i'm gonna shoot at everybody today uh but it was a uh it's it's quite the situation happening at edmonton i didn't see it going this way it is it's never not they could be in first or last this is what it always is the crux of the article though is that like ken holland saying like listen there aren't a lot of trades happening right now there's not much i can do and i he's been saying that for three years yeah that's the problem he's been saying that since pre-covid he in the moment right now he might be correct but don't let that take away from the fact that you know he didn't strengthen his team at the blue line a couple uh a couple playoffs ago and then before that

blew two second rounders on adreas at the nsc you got three games out of them my bought mike green mike green retired didn't replace them and just lost them in free agency or retirement he he took hard long-term lessons from a short-term once in a lifetime event you know what i mean tell me about it we he okay so he spent the two seconds on andreas athanasiu was andreas athanasiu ever going to be a good oiler no i don't think so it's pretty clear that wasn't a fit but he spent assets on a guy who he knew he knew from detroit right yeah who he knew from detroit he's got speed to Burn should have had another dozen games or so to gel with that lineup. People forget before the playoffs even began.

Mike Green in the very small sample that the Oilers had appeared to be a good fit, appeared like this was going to work. And then the world shut down and he got nothing for those assets. And rather than go, well, damn, this is a once in a lifetime thing. Shit happens. He went, you know what? Fuck this. The Bruins spent a first on Andre Kasha. He played like 10 games for them.

And they weren't like, oh, well, let's never get anyone ever again. No, they go out and do it again the next day. Oh, they go out and get it. And yeah. Yeah. And now look at them. Evander Kane being out doesn't help either. Obviously, like they would have expected that the lineup would be a little bit more balanced.

But again, offense isn't the problem. They'd still be winning games the same way. uh i think they're having a harder time scoring their way out of problems the problems would still be there right um evander kane returning will make it easier to outscore their problems and that that could get you to the final four right we saw it last year it could get you to the final four but um they that that back end is a world of hurt um speaking of uh defense the The Leafs have a depleted decor now. Rasmus Sandin is, I guess, being reevaluated today.

The Leafs had a strong game last night, but I want to start with him because they were able to hold... At one point, their shots were 25-5. They were able to lock down the Tampa Bay Lightning with five defensemen. I think when the Lightning scored their first goal, that shot made it 30-10. Wow. The Leafs kicked them up and down the ice.

And the only reason the third period was somewhat even, you could argue, is the Leafs were down to five guys. What I couldn't figure out was, like, okay, so the Leafs had a bad couple games, whatever, like you toss that in the bin, you move on. But what I couldn't figure out was, was Tampa having a bad game or were the Leafs that good? The Leafs look real crisp. They did.

Yeah. I thought it was more the Leafs playing well than... Tampa played normal. They played normal. They played normal. They rarely play normal. It's very weird. So this was a game that we highlighted on the schedule.

And I said a couple of times, I'm like, I wonder which version of the Leafs we're going to get because they've been so good for a month over a month. Then they have a pretty pedestrian game against the Rangers. Then probably easily their worst game in a month against the Caps. I thought other than maybe 15 minutes in the second period, they lost. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't very good.

Well, like they lost and deserve to lose. Right. So I'm like, okay, there's two games left before Christmas. Do they go, you know what? Let's just get to the holiday. Let's just get there. Or do they say, you know what? It's Tampa.

Let's empty the tank. The Leafs emptied the tank. The Lightning gave me the impression they were just sort of getting to Christmas. And now the Leafs have one more game left. tampa probably has one more game left they're facing detroit tonight that's right back to back with travel oh always fun always good um i have to say vasilevsky looked very much in it oh because he had to be i just he was unreal i don't think his team uh matched his effort and just the leafs were more methodical than the lightning were i did i did like the minutiae

though the little things the leafs get the empty netter to make it three one and what does john cooper do hips that keeps basileski out he pulls him again no no we're gonna crack these guys we're gonna show them that we're here we're gonna try to make them feel worse about themselves by maybe getting one and having a little human chill crawl up their spine no william neilander didn't let that happen so that makes me go well they were engaged it's just they got picked apart we've seen tampa play bad games against the leafs in toronto they lost game one five nothing last year you know so i don't know why why shouldn't we believe the evidence of our eyes and ears that the leafs were the better team i uh i thought every time i see vasileski play i don't even know why but i i think

of jesse uh why is that i don't know but i think it was taller well not not even that i think there was something that jesse i know you're a big bassy fan i am um and i think that might be it but it was something that you said probably somewhere last year during the podcast you know that's 140 episodes ago and i can't remember but i can i can tell you that that um i when i saw tavaris break in and hold and then vasilevsky held and then tavaris held and then vasilevsky held and when and he literally just vasilevsky just said i'm gonna hang on longer than yeah and what was amazing about it when they played the replay was when he had his legs stretched out his his fucking gigantic trapping mitt oh i know was out as far as his toe the entire way there's no way i mean

i don't think there was an angle where tavaris could have got that puck up and in the net he could have got it up and over the net yeah no question but i don't think that there was any part of that net that would have been available because of the there was no angle for him on his backhand to get it right over the pad right he was he was screwed in that situation because it was a great goal it was fucking crazy i bet jesse's just loving this right now you ever see that episode of mythbusters where they uh try to penetrate like medieval chain mail that's what andre vasilevsky just looks like no i don't watch mythbusters well you should oh should i they do ridiculous things where they're like

that seems like a Steve show I watched Mythbusters when I was like 16 haven't they run out of myths I'm tired we're gonna see if a bunch of stuff can withstand a cannon blast do you want to see that

shit there I am with a mustard stain on my shirt like yeah I do my favorite one they ever did was is it actually more efficient to run through the rain will you be less wet as opposed to just walking through it what was the conclusion i think it's the you get the same amount of rain on you whether you try to run through it or you just walk through

it oh i think if i remember correctly the the myth was busted that it's quicker to run through the rain that is fascinating yeah well i'll look it up to make sure when i'm raining or where when it's raining and you're and i'm driving and i want to and i want to clean off the car you know you go five ten kilometers faster if you're in a convertible speed up speed up it's it's it i mean people are gonna be like that's unsafe and it is but if you're if you're in a convertible assuming you're doing the speed yeah um you the whole thing is if you can get up to a certain speed the water hits the windshield it such a way that you're you're gonna be you're literally not gonna get wet oh so yeah so if

you're in a convertible and the convertible's down and you're already going fast you you don't stop to put the convertible thing up just keep going keep driving so like if you're on the terrible advice it's terrible it honestly so it happened to me once in my in my old mustang which is you deserve sort of a pig like it's just this big rumbling boat of a car um and and yeah i mean it i was like not gonna stop and try to wait for that 50 year old piece of shit you know yeah thing to get the the ragtop to get back up over it so um it did sort of work for me but i hear that works in actual like high performance cars that are you know you can speed up and stay dry anyway so andrew vasilevsky is really good can i read the mistbusters conclusion there you go let's do it

All right, so this was the finale of season four in 2014, I think it is. Is it better to walk or run in the rain? The pair simulated a rainstorm and discovered that walking was better. However, when they revisited the experiment in real rain, they found out that it was better to run. Either way, you still get wet. So I think their conclusion was that either way, it doesn't help you to run. They didn't bust any myths, man. well the myth is that you should run to get where you're going so it'd be less wet but

they've proven that i think walking and running you get the same amount of wet guys upsetting steve brought up i'm upset i'm upset i'm down a hole they just said basically do whatever you want you're getting wet that does not that's not busting myths tell me what it is myth busters was relevant to the story and then you started talking about rain you i was talking about medieval chain mail you jogged my memory about a show i used to watch 10 years ago and it was fascinating now we just talk about all the viral videos tampa bay lightning rain lightning wrapped it up there it is history um um michael bunting uh got a pretty nasty slash from nikita kucherov listen

if it was uh mikhail sergachev oh it's sergachev sorry yeah no kucherov's the guy who tried to break his spine right that's the different one right listen if if kucherov hasn't tried to kill you you're not a very good nhl player no if you're if you're a very good nhl player he's tried to kill you that dude is gonna find like a an exposed human spine under his christmas tree it's his favorite thing his favorite thing in the world is trying to bend those things into an oblong capital letter z yep he just he loves actually trying to break player spine he wants your spine to look like the lightning on his crest that's it bend that's all the spots nikita's hit you yeah they gave him his first lightning jersey and he went i got it and they went

what put him on the top line he's crazy i like him um yeah yeah um and and then i guess the whole thing was and i don't know if we want to we can't really run the video of it but we could i guess explain what after i texted you how upset i was at the referee dan kelly dan kelly dan kelly pushing linesman everyone has seen this footage yeah so linesman pushes michael bunting out of the rink into the dressing room essentially yeah i texted you and then you text us back some information about mr kelly yeah so dan kelly uh is not a popular figure uh nhl linesman dan kelly is not a popular figure for toronto marley's fans and the reason for that is in may of i believe it was 2016 marley's were in the middle of a pretty nasty playoff run uh in a nasty series

against the albany devils dan kelly was on the albany devils andreas johnson is going one way he's going the other and he goes to lay what should be a clean and devastating hit but is instead pretty exclusively to andreas johnson's head knocks him out completely cold and william neilander was on the ice for both incidents he was on the ice for andreas johnson getting knocked out and for this so he'd be like oh hey it's you again um yeah jesse's got it up right here it's so bad like it's directly to the head this kept johnson out of the nhl for an additional year yes um he should have he was gonna challenge to make the leafs that year or at very least be a call up um when he returned to the american hockey league the next year he was not the same player it

took him months uh to get his game back if i remember the story correct he wasn't even able to fly home to sweden for a while because he was still under evaluation for so long like this happened in may right so it was yep late late late into the hockey season so anyway and you're telling me this guy is in charge of calling the rules he's a linesman now so and he's a linesman who and i never saw anyone confirm this but he would have very likely played against michael bunting during his ahl career because they had two years worth of overlap um anyway all that to say listen this is information that is real readily available i'm not it's readily available i'm not making anything up and let's pretend none of that ever happened it wouldn't be okay for him to do

what he did to michael bunting which was basically try to push him off the ice yeah and people were like well the leafs had a one-man advantage which they did at the time the leafs had a power play and he was just trying to get him off the ice that's simply not what happened guys you can't put your hands on a player well you can grab them you you can you can put your hands on their jerseys and take them away from a situation yes we see that all the time see that all the time you but bunting is very clearly like his body is docile his mouth is never docile that's michael bunting so he's yapping away but his body is docile he's not he's going the direction the that dan kelly wants him to go he's not trying to get past him or get involved in the situation

his team is the lead they have a power play he's trying to go to the dressing room or whatever it doesn't matter kelly gives him this big shove off the ice that far exceeds anything an official should be doing and bunting almost falls backwards and you see like this look of surprise on his face and you see him say what the fuck are you doing yeah i'm gonna say the quote is what the fuck was that yeah no the what the fuck was that comes after bunting slightly regains his balance and kelly pushes him again yeah yeah just in case you were like did he just fucking push me he pushes him again and bunting goes what the fuck are you doing that was crazy and then he just starts picking up a conversation with someone else skating by which is michael bunting to a t it's

hilarious he doesn't stop he doesn't stop talking but like when i say you can't put hands on a player like that that's what i mean you can't when the player isn't engaged in something that's illegal like fighting um and they're scrapping with another player and you're not doing anything in the purpose of uh policing the game you can't go around pushing people yeah like i think we all agree that officials and linesmen and whatever when there's a scrum when there's a fight at some point they got to get involved if you will involve this far exceeds that it far exceeds that and uh i don't think he should be in jail or in prison or fired i i saw some people saying he should be fired but i gotta say he should be reprimanded

in some way if bunting did to kelly what kelly did to him bunting because you why are you rolling your eyes it doesn't it doesn't work in the same way because i i don't think they're on equal footing well we know yeah you know bunting wasn't on equal footing when he got shoved the second time no pun intended hey i don't i don't think it's the same like i don't i think there needs to be a certain amount of respect towards the officials uh i agree in in by the players like just for the game to work they need to respect the officials as the people in charge but the official needs to have some sort of punishment for doing that because you can't be doing that you can't have referees doing that to players i think i think we actually saw how much restraint

Michael Bunting is capable of they're like you see it doesn't even occur to him to and and this by the way is why I don't buy yeah well Kelly's a former player he played pretty recently so that's just the former player coming out it never even occurred to Bunting to engage Dan Kelly in any way in any physical shape or form so bunting played it great after the game he goes emotions are high it happens i hope that's how keith plays it i hope that's how dubas plays it i hope that's how shanahan plays it publicly and behind the scenes because i don't the we already know what their reputation is behind the scenes they're whiners they're soft bunch of bleeding hearts whatever the officials need to take care of their own here on this one he's gonna get a talking to

from steven walkham um i don't know what the precedent is for punishment because there hasn't been and this is from scouting the refs this was incredible an nhl official has not been publicly reprimanded since 1995. Wow. I don't remember what that incident was. I was seven. You're not counting the one

last season of the Hot Mike and then they didn't... Tim Peel? Tim Peel, they didn't allow him to ref. Two years ago. Yeah. Even then, he wasn't officially... No, they just took him off games. He was going to retire. They just took him off games. We don't count that? No. It's like taking

someone off the schedule at work like you're not you're not fired they're just taking you off dude you got no more shifts yeah you just you just don't get any more shifts right there was another guy ah french canadian guy i forget his name but he went up to burrow alexander burrows before a game and he was mad that burrows made him look like a fool the game before with some sort of embellishment which like is just that's just a day that ends in y for alexander burrows but he came up to him before the game and he essentially said you made me look like a fool and i'm gonna hammer you all night and burrows got like three or four minor penalties not a single one of them was a penalty like it was it was absolutely ridiculous we know behind the scenes they'll take playoff

games away from you um but we don't know what the actual reprimand is do you do you guys remember when dennis weidman ran into a referee and got suspended for i think it was like 20 games yes and calgary became the most penalized team in the league the next year and then the calgary flames are still complaining about that to this day about how referees call more penalties on them because the referees were like one of your guys a couple years ago ran into one of our their team which by the way is not true refs are the 33rd nhl team guys and if you don't think so look at the calgary penalty numbers after the weidman hit oh yeah no there's there's substantial stats and evidence that the referees ganged up on the calgary flame and so because of that incident

it's not it's not up for debate it happened no it's not still true um they still complain about it they still complain about it as a thing i did look this up after daryl sutter's comments it's not still true but they complain no what actually made it uh more stark if i remember the stats correctly the flames were had like one of the best penalty differentials in the nhl that incident with dennis weidman happened which travesty uh they're like far and away the most penalized team in the league then they complained about it and then it went like right back to normal so like you can't tell me this is you can't tell me it wouldn't be a bad time for the leafs if bunting keith dubas or shanahan publicly or privately said anything you can't tell me it

would go their way which no it's not gonna help no but they'd be right if they said doesn't matter but they can't doesn't matter that is an awful situation and i know i think the problem too jesse to that point is is the way uh the way things are run it's sort of like keep it all in don't let the public know and you know and that's that comes from head office and we won't go there but i'm just saying it's it is sort of the way they the nhl runs things and guys make mistakes mistakes are fine yeah he made a mistake i'm not saying he needs to be suspended for that but you should have like a it'd be nice to have a public statement like hey we don't expect that and he's been talked to and it won't happen again even an apology would would be adequate because of how

unbelievably rare that is yeah i would like some acknowledgement acknowledgement even let us know that you know this happened and it shouldn't happen can you at least acknowledge this is bad right and shouldn't that's all i want here just acknowledge it's bad don't need to suspend him don't need to put him in jail just acknowledge i don't want to take any any money off his paycheck i don't want to take any food off his plate no just apologize like that doesn't have to be an apology don't even say sorry just let me know you know what happened yeah like even that much yeah because last night he he did something and it was amazingly easy there was a um a borderline icing call and he would have been right to call icing based under the new hybrid

rules but mid call vasilevsky leaves his net to play the puck yes and he goes oh shit and like right away you see him put his hand on his chest he made the wrong call it's the sort of split second decision happens all the time humans are humans totally fine totally fine and he just goes my fault and when that happens they usually do the face off at center ice i think they did they did yeah face off was that center ice everything was fine people make mistakes yeah that's understandable just and and right away i was like you know what respect for acknowledging the mistake except i'm like that's the same guy yeah and i would really i just it'd be i'd be willing to drop it as a fan uh if they literally just acknowledged it i'm not trying to get this

guy suspended fine if he does it again then it's a problem but like there should be some sort of thing where it's like on his record like right this can't happen again well i'm willing to let him off with a written warning and i'm sure that there is it's just we'll never know about it yeah well i don't understand that yeah which is annoying i just don't understand that like it's something the nhl does this very often where they don't acknowledge the most talked about topics everyone in the city despite the amazing win the least outshot the lightning fucking 40 to 19 that's unbelievable yes it's a crazy almost more unbelievable than the win itself okay and we're talking about this line's been shoving a player because it's so incredibly rare

like people were talking about the 90s i don't remember that shit i don't remember any of that like refs had to learn also if our bar is the 80s or 90s yeah oh man you know what but it wasn't like this in the past yeah that was four years ago guys yeah man so like i was born in the late 80s and i'm 34 yeah like it's i i don't know man it's it maybe we don't have the 80s as the benchmark anymore maybe we don't have the 90s as a benchmark we sure as hell don't want the dead puck era as a benchmark that was three lockouts ago i don't like i don't understand that but anyway i want to i want to move on to this quickly what happened in the 90s you would have got decked so sports interaction.com stpn the the bets today we have the two right we got the two no way we got the

former friends bet and we got the ontario born bet because the leafs are taken on philadelphia I thought you were about to say will an official shove a leaf the next game? What the fuck are you talking about? We could ask. We could have that made. Why would that be a bet? Because it's funny?

That could be a bet every game. So this is the former friend's bet. This is a former Maple Leaf. Will he score a goal against the Maple Leafs? Who is the person? Is it JVR? It is. Now, obviously if you take no, it's a 126.

not totally surprising he hasn't been great and he's been scratched a bunch but pretty good money at three and a half if he does score it's a good power play guy if you're putting your you do um steve was telling me yesterday jesse has he told you this yeah he sold me his betting his two dollar bets toony but i would you drop a toony on on jvr i say bet responsibly and i practice what i preach two dollar maximum okay fine two dollar maximum the other day i saw the blues were up on the oilers okay and i put two bucks on the blues to come back and win i won 1350 there you go could i have won more if i put down more money yeah but i gotta follow my rule but you've got six two bucks two dollar bets now out of that right uh oh

yeah hey there's math there you go there's mess so two dollars so are you taking actually i actually really like that strategy two dollars it's the best way to do it that doesn't mean you go out and you make $102 bets. That kind of defeats the purpose. You should maybe make a... You should put a limit on the amount of $2 bets. I haven't come up with a number

for that yet. But it hasn't been an issue, so you don't worry about that. That's funny. It's just... So, $2. Steve, $2. Do you put it on JVR scoring tomorrow

against the Leafs? Yes, and I'll tell you why. Tell me why. The takes. The takes. What about the takes? because we're approaching the conversation who do the leafs go out and get for that 2lw spot and his name has been brought up no it hasn't it has been brought up not a reputable name has

brought that name up it had the nerds the nerds are the nerds saying the nerds are saying it okay well the nerds i'd be more inclined to trust the nerds by the way when i say the nerds i'm talking about like three or four people on twitter but like but but jvr's not he was never the best skater and the five on five is an issue and his body yeah there's a lot of problems with it but have you considered the takes and it's really fun and don't you want to see that green mouth guard dangle one more time yeah yeah don't you want to see it dangle one more time as a leaf i loved him he scored 40 goals yeah he was great he scored 40 goals he's unbelievable but he's played 13 games actually you know what 12 points in 13 games this year dude yeah he's not a bad hockey player

He's one dimensional in his old age The Flyers are also awful And anybody's got to score points Old age I'm pretty sure is a year He's shooting an 18.5% Yeah that's because JVR doesn't shoot Yeah but his career average is 12 So

That's still really Listen shut up His highest career goal total by the way is 33 He's going somewhere Because the Flyers are going to unload him before the deadline Because he's a UFA and they have no reason to keep him But I don't think Toronto is the spot, Stephen. Yeah, especially when it's

three and a half million bucks, even if you retain 50%. 50% retained? That's a lot. Okay, okay. Now let's talk about this. Ontario-born players, because they always come here and score. Shut up. Do you put yes or no on Morgan Frost, who's been in Tortorella's doghouse?

That's a yes, because he's a former Sue Greyhound. I think when he sees Kyle, he's going to do the Wonder Twin Powers activate power of former Sue, and then he's going to get the magic powers to score. I'm going to go no, because if he wants to impress Kyle

Dubas, he won't score. What he'll do is he'll win three puck battles and maintain possession. I'm telling you, he's on my radar for guys the Leafs might go out and get. Yeah, listen, if Dubas is going to go out, he's

going out guns blazing, and he needs to Pokemon catch them all, and he's missing morgan frocks frost from a sue greyhounds polka okay travis connect me yes or no gtha born guy he uh he eats the leafs up he's pissed off from the last time okay owen tippett no no okay and scott lawton no no so you put two dollars on connect me and van reamsteig each yes that's what you do okay you can also bet the nose which i like about the nose we're like no you can bet that you can bet no on every single player i i just sent you like you can you can bet on those and for the leafs to win if you feel that guilty about it

do you feel good do people feel guilty steve doesn't like betting against us i don't like betting against the leaf yeah okay i don't like it so yeah you're not you're never betting with what you think is gonna happen you're just like i want the leafs to win there are a few things i bet on that i want to happen but you know it's two bucks uh keith to win the jack adams yeah i uh put two dollars you know they sports interaction they're they're great people because they decided to use my name that i suggested for my bet what's your bet the we love willie bet there's a bet there and it's called we love willie and it's will william nylander lead the team in goals and i got all my money on that did you lose your mind when he got the empty netter last night

yeah it was the best thing ever because matthew scored i was like willie needs to get one to keep up hilarious he needs to stay ahead of him and he got the empty netter so willie's gonna do it when matthew scores you're like yeah oh no ah willie's gotta get one he did on 32 thoughts this week senators called everybody about a defenseman according to elliot friedman that includes the blackhawks and seth jones but according to friedman those discussions didn't go anywhere not going to happen now okay my question to the room is are the blackhawks out of their minds yes if seth jones if somebody comes in and offers seth wants to take the seth jones contract out of my doesn't matter that seth jones is a good defenseman he's an overpaid one

but if somebody wants to come in and take seth jones driving in the airport i think you're taking a uh a specific message from a vague statement okay and i don't like the sends might have called about seth jones and the blackhawks might have been like interesting uh what are you thinking and the sends go well you retain half and we also get a first and blackhawks go well no fuck off we're not gonna do that i get the feeling though that the senators didn't do that yeah based on i get the feeling well because everybody knows they need a defenseman so they probably they probably could try that and then john like davidson could probably be like listen i know i'm new at this but uh pierre i'm not gonna take that so let me try again steve's theory makes a lot of sense

because i don't think anybody's calling to take on that contract unless they're getting something else all right we're gonna give you a first uh a prospect alex form hello oh they hung up okay okay he's in switzerland you see he can't play i do get that i got what you're saying Okay.