The Steve Dangle Podcast - Quack Quack | May 1, 2026

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Starting point is 00:01:56 Alright and I think I think we can only Start this show one way Which is Maddie What a great pick Oh yeah Maddie called the Ducks

Starting point is 00:02:06 In sixth by the way Ducks in sixth Is the mad dog The only one at SDPN Who had the guts To go duck And good for you Maddie

Starting point is 00:02:16 Good for you That's She's feeling so good About that Like so good about that I'm changing my name So you call me mad dog it's mad duck mad duck

Starting point is 00:02:26 Jesse if you can find the spark trivia bracket she just wants to show it off please take it control I'm gonna ride this high baby oh man no one in the history of this show has

Starting point is 00:02:44 done this we've never had somebody else come in and go you know what this is what we're doing usually I got made fun of and called stupid for it but maddie comes in yeah first try you know what with a pick like that we got to give it to her ducks in six is crazy it is it is i think you did guess does it doesn't matter you're doing it wrong of course i guessed in six and then if you didn't you go i meant to yeah that's what i meant to do yeah give me one second jesse's pulling it up so listen we're gonna start dallas

Starting point is 00:03:17 minnesota uh because we're going to skip it we're gonna go over it and here we go wait one second sorry oh wow and six mad dog wow well done you might be one of the only people in the world in the world if anybody was picking ducks a lot of people would have said seven yeah here i can i can tell you i'll ask and i'll get the number for you okay oh that's incredible yeah maddie people and a sea of wrong men just yeah maddie bow down to your mad duck overlord Like, she's the king now. Ducks truther. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:03:54 Absolutely. I would love one of those. Remember they had those giveaways that were like the duck hats in the first game? And we were like, man, these are awesome. And they have tailgates and stuff. Like, they're doing it right. Oh, yeah. They have a fun time.

Starting point is 00:04:05 You know, listen. Again, we're going to get to them later in the show because we do want to start with Dallas, Minnesota, which I think unquestionably in terms of first-round matchups was the hardest. Oh, it's dumb. And I think a lot of people are surprised today that the Minnesota Wild are through, not because they were a bad team, but because of the first round that Dallas had against Colorado last year, right? Yes. So I had whoever wins this series losing to Colorado so that my bracket had the slightest chance of advancing. I got it here.

Starting point is 00:04:39 Right? Yeah. Like, because you either pick Dallas to go deep and you're screwed or you pick Minnesota to go deep and you might be screwed anyway. A hundred percent. Now, Jesse, what do you got? So I got the handy-dandy spreadsheet that says the numbers of people who picked each winner in round number one. Yeah. The Ducks were the least, second least picked team.

Starting point is 00:04:59 The least picked team was the LA Kings. Yeah. Only 1.6% of people picked the LA Kings to win in round number one. The prize is that high, to be honest. 9.4% of entrants picked the Ducks. Well done to the 9%. That is 603 people. And Maddie.

Starting point is 00:05:17 Is one of them. Yeah, the Ugly Ducks. Sort of like around over 6,000 brackets, 603 people. Wow. Picked the Ducks. That's excellent. That's just awesome. Makes me feel less dumb.

Starting point is 00:05:30 So when it comes to the Dallas Stars here, I think we ought to state some facts. Do we like the facts? Well, you should know them. We should know the facts. Should know the facts. The Dallas Stars, this is Sam. Sam at the blog spot.

Starting point is 00:05:45 He's an ESPN camera guy. Dallas Stars were the second best team in the Western Conference this season. In the first round, they should have played the second best team in the West, the 92-point Ducks. Instead, they played the third best team in the West, the 104-point Wild, and the Stars are now eliminated. Now, as a Leaf fan who complained about this and got zero support from any of you, any of you, I agree with Sam.

Starting point is 00:06:11 That's dumb and stupid, and why do they do that? But next time the Leafs are going through it, you guys could maybe support us a little bit because i didn't hear any support from doubt i'm going to give dallas the support i agree minnesota fans you guys shouldn't have panicked as much as you did uh in some of the games in this series uh you should have got through faster it's not fair that you had to yeah way to go bums i well it should have been against games should have been against somebody else right but the fact of the matter is the playoff system is what it is and i'm not going to do to you what everybody did to us which is oh get over you

Starting point is 00:06:44 Butch losers win the conference man stars third best team in the league. Yeah. Here are the conference standings in the West in what would have been the normal playoff matchups Colorado LA Anaheim Dallas Mammoth Wild Vegas Edmonton come on yeah I don't know why they didn't do that third best team in the league versus seventh best team in the league and like that's I'm pretty sure that's not even the most egregious matchup we've had in recent memory probably involved the leafs probably did probably did leafs in tampa leaves in boston yep just getting boned every year but this is the system and like

Starting point is 00:07:30 can we just say the system sucks the system stinks but yeah and i'm happy for minnesota but like minnesota prepared for the system though they looked at this and they went well we're going to finish second or third probably third let's just gain an army you know we criticize them a little bit for not really sure about up the middle but they just they went out and acquired everyone else yep dallas went out and got like michael bunting and then didn't play him and and tyler myers and didn't play him because he wasn't very good well because he isn't that great anymore right well he's kind of he's up there in age he was playing in the last buffalo sabers playoff series before this year right like drafted what 2008 yeah like trying to think of

Starting point is 00:08:13 like who else they went out and got at the deadline like i know you went out and you got ranting and last didn't they have to attach a pick to dumb as contract to get rid of it or something i don't remember you know like and and you know the thing is is that beyond um you know their two best defensemen i think that they were exposed a little bit in this series jesse like injuries killed them injuries definitely killed them but jesse the thing with dallas this playoff that was so interesting is that they didn't do anything unless they were on the power play yes they really struggled that five on five they had four total five on five goals which I believe equals the same total that the Sens scored and the Sens four games and were terrible I think the

Starting point is 00:08:55 Sens were either three or four so they're right in line right in line but it's the Dallas Stars that we shouldn't be having comparisons with the swept senators the Dallas Stars not as shocking And what it came down to is that there was no depth scoring on their team at all. Maverick Bork in last night's game scored the first goal that wasn't scored outside of their top five scorers. So up until Maverick Bork's goal, they only got goals from Robertson, Johnston, Duchesne, Heiskanen, and Rantanen. Nobody else out of those players scored a single goal in the series until Maverick Bork's goal. Jason Robertson had five, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:31 Who was second and third? Wyatt Johnston had four. Duchesne had two. Heiskanen had two. Damn. You get nine goals out of a duo of guys in a six-game series. You should be able to make some noise. Nobody else on their team did anything.

Starting point is 00:09:45 Damn. And that's a huge issue, depth scoring. Whether you want to say if Rupert Hintz is in there, things are different. Which undoubtedly they are. It is a reality. Yeah. But injuries happen to everybody. You still play the games.

Starting point is 00:10:02 They are continuing and they're not going to stop until Ruben's is healthy. That's just reality. Your team, you have to go in there and you came up against one of the best teams in the league and they took care of business. Now, this is the conversation that happens every time. Is it on them or is it on the Minnesota Wild being really good? Well, I want to I do want to stop there for just a second because I think you're on. You're right to bring that up. I look at the boss or the Dallas forward group going into this season.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Pretty sure we said in the season preview, this is the best forward group in the whole. insane insane depth and it's crazy that they couldn't get depth scoring how much of that would you guys say is attributed to them just maybe going cold not having not having rupee is a big deal like that's your number one center sorry it is that's where the conversation has to start yes but you can go deeper than that but you have the deepest forward group in the league yeah you should be able to manage that they do like call him blackwell that would be depth scoring he had an unbelievable chance in that game robbed by wallstead like just that kid's so good and i feel so vindicated like for all the olympic conversation with uh like philip gustafson and

Starting point is 00:11:10 jesper wallstead i'm like gustafson's not even the best goalie on the wild i know like yeah he's good and they were talking about trading him at the deadline and the stats for him by the way you could have been justified you could well because they wanted they were looking for that number one center right so here's here's what his stats were throughout the uh um uh well stat the wall of saint paul this is from jack jablonski um six games 171 saves on 185 shots that's a 924 save percentage 363 goals saved above expected five on five he made 131 of 135 saves potential saves that's nine that's 970 at five on five come on uh 7.92 goals save above expectations 920 save percentage in high definition scoring chances that is in he's a rookie he's a rookie i think minnesota beat

Starting point is 00:12:02 dallas the way they had to so minnesota is a really good team i give their decor the advantage net i would say is close to a wash it's competitive up front i give it to dallas yep boldy's just a killer such a killer caprizov is obviously a killer but i i would still give it to dallas dallas was a little short-handed because of the injuries and then minnesota did what you could have forecasted minnesota was going to do heading into the series they beat the shit out of those guys they beat the brakes off of that team and not just trennan not just but no well blackwell when blackwell took him out and then dallas won i think the next two games i was like oh man that one hit just flipped this series on its head and minnesota got it back on the rails and they

Starting point is 00:12:53 hammered these guys everybody made fun of the second round pick they gave up for michael mccarron and and and they'd fun of me for doing a 15 minute video about it uh because they're like how are you doing 15 minutes on michael mccarron but i'm like this is this is more than you think uh-huh and he scored in the series and he was a monster alongside trennan i mean you imagine so Tarasenko who scored last night is playing with Jesse Trennan and McCarron yeah he's gonna have some room that like if Dallas struggled with the depth scoring that's all Minnesota got like it was four lines you could just roll out there and uh the Folinos lines with the two of them on there that they spent so much time playing in the first period I started to get shocked I was

Starting point is 00:13:35 like there's so much time for this fourth line and uh hey winning you get to the second round you're trusting your fourth line so much but they have so much depth that they can do that it's really good but it's it's strategic right like it's first period second period third period well first period you soften up the meat right so they're just sending them out there trying to pound their d pound their d and soften up their meat oh my god just soften up the meat and pound their d yeah this is what happens when the leaves aren't in the pressure on that d yes pressure on the d back to dallas just for a second oh the big d big d well talk about the big d that's good one thing i know i know jim nill is gonna have 42 jim gregory awards yes he's won like three in a

Starting point is 00:14:24 row or something like that yeah but the one thing i will do a great job in the big d i will criticize jim nill for always tinkering with that right side and never figuring it out last year there they tried to go with cody cc that was wow why is that your choice i forgot that happened yeah and then eventually the kings were like hey here's 20 million dollars every year um and then this year they're going like labushkin is there and i'm like okay you got to figure this out and i'm like who who was there before when they were so good and i think they've never recovered from trading chris taniff i think you're right man he was a big part of that run imagine Chris a healthy Chris Tanev is on that right side behind Heisken in there like that I think I think

Starting point is 00:15:13 they've been tinkering that the last couple years and they've never kind of really solved that position I wonder if they get um further last year with Tanev too because Tanev was great last year for the Leafs uh last season he was oh my gosh yeah so I'm sorry I say like they're doing Labushkin there Tyler Myers and Labushkin and that's just not good enough let's just call it what that's your we've had Labushkin in Toronto a couple times there's some good aspects there's some bad aspects yeah right and especially what is he 375 it's an expensive contract yeah and then yeah you send you send out assets to get tyler myers and like that's not helpful it's i mean just going up against what minnesota is capable of you're gonna lose the anytime you're in a

Starting point is 00:15:51 breakout battle with minnesota's d like you're gonna lose it on your end when you're trying to break out with these guys you have like you have eiskanen but and you have harley obviously your top is good but the rest your bottom and you're pairing your d i just it's something to more to desire there i can't think of a cushier job in the league than being a minnesota defenseman not named faber or hughes yeah like imagine you survive like you survive that shift and then you hop over the board fresh as a daisy ah morning i feel like uh we'll score a goal let's go out there and score a goal yeah that's awesome well quinn and brock playing half an hour a night i think yeah yeah why not do it i want the easiest like brodean's

Starting point is 00:16:35 life has ever been i want to give you a trade that will live in infamy okay this is a ken holland special he traded down two spots in the 2021 draft drafted he got a third round pick out of it so a 90th overall pick and he got a 22nd overall pick out of it so he went from 20 to 22nd that's and for two spots that's an okay price that's not bad he got xavier borgo who is now with ottawa uh and put up 56 points in 70 games in the ahl this season so he might be a pretty good player like he could be a depth guy that steps in next season he played a couple of games with the big club um luca munzenberger was the third uh round pick i don't know much about luca uh no but maybe we will one day the guy that was drafted 20th overall that pick went to the wild

Starting point is 00:17:20 yes for wallstead wow that would have been the oilers goaltending right there they would have been solved they would have been fine and i think it's funny you know i understand the theory of moving down to get more picks if you need to but you don't always need to do that there's there's going to be more of that in today's show edmonton fans i apologize today's going to be a painful show for you yeah who had the pick before jackson lacombe oh edmonton did ed money and it was that that was in the third round i think i don't remember second or third second or third yeah Like everybody passed on Jackson Lacombe a couple of times, at least, which is crazy. So that's it.

Starting point is 00:17:57 Yeah. Second round. So he was in 2019. This is how long some defensemen take. And I think that's something that everybody ought to keep in mind, especially when you got young defensemen coming up in your system. It took Jackson Lacombe this long. He is 25 now to be this dominant.

Starting point is 00:18:13 So 2019 draft, he's drafted 39th overall. Okay. right before him the Edmonton Oilers selected Raphael Lavoie who has played 17 games and has zero points and plays for Vegas um oh and he's played 17 games so and two so before the Raphael Lavoie pick so two up on Lacombe it's Ottawa and they picked Mad Sogard uh so you know you've got and then Vancouver selected Nils Hoglander just after Kachekov was three spots up on him bobby brink five spots up shane pinto uh was at the top of the second round so like there's some names yeah names sure but look home baby again we're going back to dallas but i'm just saying

Starting point is 00:18:57 with dallas i can't i can't figure out what i think because on one hand they're going to be fine they're fine they're they're not like a particularly old team they're a little bit of an injury prone team so that is somewhat concerning like some of their best players do kind of get hurt a lot you got this killer in jason robertson you have options with him you could keep him you can trade him you can get a king's ransom for him you have this killer in wyatt johnston you have this killer in miko ranton who maybe let you down a little bit here but like there's proof dumbest penalty of all time last night yeah is is bad is bad but like you saw him also win a series on his own so all right one one you know what i mean but on the other hand you finished third in

Starting point is 00:19:52 the nhl and didn't make it past the first round like that has got to eat at you you've got to hate that and we're gonna learn a lot about jim nill this summer because the dallas stars i think are primed for a trip to overreactionville you don't hope not i hope not too because i really like the way they've been run for a long time uh again they're third in the nhl you got probably the most unlucky matchup in the first round you run into minnesota that's friggin sucks you're third in the nhl you don't deserve that but again minnesota prepared for this yeah you didn't and you had some bad luck but sometimes you get the luck you deserve but i look at the conversation we're having and i hope jim nill kind of takes a step back and realizes like the parts we're

Starting point is 00:20:46 picking out are depth scoring which is your bottom six which is to fix and your sixth defenseman you know it's it's the margins for dallas and maybe they move something to fix those margins but they i think they have the top stuff it's just the rest of it and filling in the blanks yeah so So here's, here's sort of what I look at, right? And maybe the Leafs should have prepared this way when they were, oh, every year, oh, they ran into Tampa. Oh, they ran into Tampa again. Oh, they ran into Boston. Prepare for your division. You know what I mean? So like I look at their roster and I look at it compared to the rest of the league. Yeah. Just this position up a little bit. no every year you're looking at heading into a playoff series with like macar taves or faber hughes and you're responding with well it's harley heiskanen okay and which is great well then lindell labushkin bichelle petrovic bit of a fall off boy oh boy myers like oh and put in there yeah yeah but yeah it is and you're you're so right in that like they have 12 months

Starting point is 00:21:59 to know that your round one matchup every year is going to be a conference final yeah that's because of the shitty system we have every year you have to play your conference final matchup first unless you win the division you're very likely getting colorado or minnesota yeah every freaking year that's the three seed in the conference you have to prepare for that matchup The Leafs didn't prepare for – well, actually, they had Tampa's number really well by the end of it, but that was exhausting. But Boston, you didn't prepare for the matchup you knew you were going to have. Minnesota did.

Starting point is 00:22:39 We have a chance if we beat the shit out of these guys. So that's what they did. And the Minnesota side of it, it's all Quinn-a-soda last night. Like, he was the star of the game. brock faber at the end of it actually had more minutes than him played 29 minutes and quinn hughes played 28 it was ridiculous wow two periods when hughes was up to 19 minutes it was ridiculous yeah bum can't even outplay your your pairing there but it was like he scores that that goal and then he scores the game winner and you're like the trade is worth it oh the

Starting point is 00:23:10 history of time that trade is 100 worth it because minnesota fans at home got a two goal quinn hughes performance where it pushes them to the second round and last night was actually the anniversary of their last first round visit a second round uh visit so on april 30th 2015 they beat the blues to advance the second round it's been that long that was the last time they did it 11 years ago now let me let me on the quinnasota train i want to ask you guys if you know this stat okay so quinn hughes this is from our gut our guy art or cal who's a uh uh canadian uh doing a whole bunch of espn stuff which is cool does sports center how neat is that he said quinn hughes has already tied the minnesota franchise record for most points by a defenseman in a single post

Starting point is 00:23:57 season what so i i said that last night but i said it i said oh he's broke the record for most points in a series yes and i was like oh wait it says in a whole play in a whole playoff for context the wild have been to the conference final yeah once once but like and it was it that's not the record so so uh who was the guy that held the record okay i'm gonna try to go back to okay so when was the wild defenseman in 2003 that's that's when they went to the conference final so you are it is that team like uh what the hell was oh merrick zedlicki good pick but not meredith licky name another wild defense from from the 2003 team grade 10 steve i want to say is it mark andre bergeron was was a player on that team but no i love mark andre bergeron by the way

Starting point is 00:24:54 that's a good recall that's great mark andre bergeron had the best skating stats in nhl like 2004 keith carney was on the ducks at the time i don't know um no no screw that i want this i want one more guess this is the hockey hall of guy when it comes to the minnesota wild damn look he's that though yeah but like he was a good really good defense this guy is just hockey holly guy i think i give up you sure no you don't want to make take one more stab at it try it it's so much harder on the spot wild i'm trying to picture guys in those weird jerseys i can't do it philip kuba son of a gun that is hockey holly guy yeah isn't it that's a great guy 18 games i'd buy you a beer if you said that at the bar philip kuba come on philip kuba that's

Starting point is 00:25:48 great 18 games eight points the record's eight points the record's eight points quinn got eight points he has two goals six assists that's it's crazy it's shocking but when you go back and you look at the minnesota wilds playoff history it's actually a little pathetic oh it's something you don't really talk about because that conference final run in 2003, that's their third year in the league. They do that. Since then, they don't have a single victory in the second round because the other time they made the second round was in 2015 that I just referenced. They got swept by the Blackhawks. So one win here in the second round will be their first win in the second round since 2003. That's a little sad and now I'm very happy for this franchise because they're doing

Starting point is 00:26:32 stuff can i tell you why the record for points in a postseason by a wild defenseman is eight even though they went to the western conference final allow me to read out the scores from the four game series they played against the ducks in 2003 so first of all it was a four game series game one one nothing okay for the ducks game two two nothing for the ducks game three four nothing for the ducks three straight shutouts that's crazy man did that actually happen it js jaguar that's why he won the con smith even though they lost wow he was unbeatable it's the most dominant i think i've ever seen a goalie in one single postseason maybe tim thomas wow game four ducks two wild one they did manage to score one goal and i remember watching game four

Starting point is 00:27:30 because the buzz in the hockey world at the time was they might not score a goal in an entire playoff team that'd be like it's the western conference final we'd have to keep a name for that like a like that's not a sweep that's like a clean sweep like you are you shut someone out first clean sweep ever ever ever so we'll have to keep an eye on that if that ever happens js jaguar was absolutely bonkers yeah i remember talking bonkers as an aside i remember talking to uh steve thomas at the um uh at one of your uh at the eastern that was 2018 and we yeah so we chatted with him about being on that ducks team and babcock was the up-and-coming new coach guy and i said what was he like to play for because he had just been fired and uh and he said actually

Starting point is 00:28:19 he was pretty good to me because he's like i he knew i was an old guy yeah and he said he'd just come up to me be like you're good to go tonight and then steve would be like yeah i'd be like okay let me know if you're not and then he'd just throw him in and so he was good to thomas um here uh a hockey reference actually has jaguar stats from that series so he was 25 years old stopped 122 of 123 shots save percentage of 992 wow wow that's so holy damn that's crazy 99 so so and like and like manny fernandez sorry no do it was great in that series for the wild 943 far and away like second place yeah he deserved far and away he deserved that con smith yeah he did he won a he won a series by essentially not allowing

Starting point is 00:29:13 a goal and it was for a conference championship yeah that's so insane that's it you know it's so interesting uh the like imagine i had pitched to you my big pitch is guys a team with ryan hartman at 1c is going to beat dallas well what if he beats the shit out of everyone is that what he did did you see that yesterday jesse was ryan hartman just flying punching guy yeah rock him sock him robots here why'd they acquire michael mccarron well he's not big what if he just beat the shit out of everyone yeah and scored a goal too we have this guy named felino and we kind of like him because he beats the shit out of everyone i got a great idea let's get another one

Starting point is 00:29:59 and just tell them to beat the shit out of everyone like that's how they're able to like sometimes i look at quinn hughes and i'm like two months of playoff hockey i don't know how he's gonna be able to do that well just surround him with the team that's gonna beat the shit out of everyone that's what you yeah the wild have four insanely elite players and have mostly surrounded them with good goaltending and guys who will try their bag off and beat the shit out of you that's a playoff team and and players who are like right on the cusp of like we're talking some of the best players in the league like in that conversation has got to be joel erickson ek who left the game with an injury and they're able to just play as well without him and then he comes

Starting point is 00:30:45 back and everything all under really good all nhl underrated totally matt boldy needs to be in the superstar conversation with what he does and we all know capri's off like they're so talented that they've been able to just fill the middle of the lineup through guys who work hard and play good defense last night was a crazy night for matt boldy fantasy holders why is that relatively quiet night and then bang bang two empty netters hell yeah yeah that was awesome yeah i was freaking it out do you want a little quincy's ghosts after the absolutely always this is always the best content so here he is uh post game uh after the he looks like he plays with a sense of calm does that carry through to the right they're asking about walsted and uh him playing with calm just

Starting point is 00:31:32 for context he looks like he plays with a sense of calm does that carry through to the rest of the group the way he plays i mean i'm like i never worry about the goalies like i don't know anything about goalies so um i honestly never think about it but i'm you know that's the point i never think about it you know you know while he's got the net and it's just uh yeah i'm not worried about it by any means so um he was just he was terrific obviously he looks like i love i i don't think about it i don't think about it and he's just staring into nothing yep i'd be so pissed as jake ottinger this freaking guy who i won a gold medal with by the way scoring a series winning goal on me and then being like i don't know anything about goalies i don't know about

Starting point is 00:32:23 anything i just play hockey i just play hockey i show up i show up ruin your season someone told me where to go one day i just ended up at this arena unreal now i was applying for a job at walmart and they put a stick in my hand i was like all right you know it's a living you know dallas has a hughes they have one of the cameron hughes is it he's not part of the huge no he's not no it's just a different huge all right i thought there was only three no there's only three i'm digging um okay so before we move on here uh anything else to add on minnesota dallas now we're gonna save our preview because we always do previews that are separate from the show because i want to know how minnesota and colorado match up and i want to know what you guys think

Starting point is 00:33:05 about it but i'm not going to ask here because we always do our pre-round sort of match-up thing so we're going to be doing that now time to get to our moosehead segment 100 clutch canadians 100 clutch canadians presented by moosehead canadian lager moosehead is the last major canadian brewery still owned by canadians still brewed here still packaged here still all canadian and you know what we're an all canadian company too so steve you can't leave you can't take i want it you can't you can't take it home so what we do with this segment is it doesn't matter what team they play for we're highlighting clutch canadians from around the league the first round is almost over but not quite fully who are we picking this week as your 100 clutch canadian

Starting point is 00:33:46 who wants to go first i'll go all right uh crazy pick given it is the year 2026 and this player was picked in 2009 they are the leading scorer in these playoffs amongst canadian players and that is not going to stay true for very long on account of they just got eliminated uh matt duchesne had nine points tied for second in the entire nhl in a six game series his team is out it's not because of him he had an incredible performance for dallas all right i like that uh jesse do you want to go next because the nhl won't acknowledge him i will acknowledge him in 45 games played he He had 31 wins, 6 losses, and 6 OT losses. A 921 save percentage led the league amongst qualified goaltenders.

Starting point is 00:34:37 Scott Wedgwood from Brampton, Ontario was not nominated for a Vesna trophy. Should have been. I think it's so ridiculous that he wasn't. Best goalie on the best team. I don't know how he didn't get some love from the guys who vote on the Vesna trophy, which I believe is the GM's. They did a disservice to this great Canadian and Bramptonite. I want to do a shout out to Logan Stankoven.

Starting point is 00:35:00 I promised on Monday that I would because Canes fans have been and I have to eat a lot of crow with the Canes because I had Ottawa winning that series in seven. Boy, have I. Listen, I always respected the Carolina Hurricanes, but every time I predicted the Carolina Hurricanes, they've let me down. You picked the wrong year to sell. Yeah, yeah. I think I sold low. Logan Stankoven. Unbelievable start.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Four goals in four games. Positively Brandon Hagelesque. Four goals. One assist. Five points. All of the goals were key, and they were important, and they came at key moments. And this guy is, first off, Kamloops BC. He's 5'8".

Starting point is 00:35:35 Small players can't do it. They can't. He's wee. He's wee. And he's a lot of wee, and he was a lot of fun. And Logan Stankoven is my 100% clutch Canadian. And I know that series ended a while ago, but we needed to shout him out. So remember in the playoffs, it's more than just great goals.

Starting point is 00:35:50 It's heart and soul. Grinding two months for the ultimate prize. And we want to be talking about those Canadians. You can always submit who you think we should do for next week as well. We do this every Friday. So feel free to leave it in the comment section, DM us, whatever. It is the 100% Clutch Canadians presented by Moosehead Canadian Lager. Sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them.

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Starting point is 00:38:04 You know what? I'm into the bit now. It's the best bit. It's a great bit. They've been doing this all season. People ignored them all year. Now everybody likes Ben Affquack. Where did they get this stuff? Where did they get this idea? I want to know.

Starting point is 00:38:19 He looks so satisfied, too. He looks very happy with what he's doing. He does, actually. I was like, why are they holding this poor duck? Look at him. He looks chuffed. Is Ben Affleck aware of the copyright infringement on his name? I hope so.

Starting point is 00:38:31 You know what? He better be okay with it. That's a nice tribute. That's a nice tribute. Somebody ask J-Lo. That's what we need. Ben Affleck takes duck to court. You know what would be really funny is if the ducks have a couple of bad games,

Starting point is 00:38:45 and then Ben Affleck becomes the Ben Affleck meet every smoking. i'm surprised they haven't done that how have they not done that duck outside in a towel smoking with a giant tattoo on his back dropping dunkin donuts all over the yeah exactly um one of the most memeable people the ducks and the and this duck so he randomly knows spanish really well jesse duck yeah oh yeah there's something i need you to bring up on twitter like immediately now because i think you guys need to know so it's the it's the next link on the on the rundown if it's not a duck playing an instrument i don't want to yeah i'm gonna be really it's not a duck playing an instrument you're terrible but the ducks fans did something that and and you could

Starting point is 00:39:29 see some of them in the replies jesse i don't want to show that okay well you can see some of the no we're not going to show that ducks fans we're throwing oilers hockey cards in all the urinals for every home game oh to you we're not gonna i'm gonna veto showing i wanted actual human piss on our podcast there are actual pictures of this uh ducks fans thought it was a thing so they i guess they've been doing it all playoff i just found out about tonight but i thought that was pretty funny um i think that's a funny bit it's a funny bit it's funny yeah it's funny i just don't want to see it i just don't want to see human pee for the first time since 2020 the Oilers will not play hockey in May.

Starting point is 00:40:09 Wow, that's a pretty good run. Yeah. Now, I believe in 2020, did they not get swept by the Jets? That was the last time they didn't make it out of the first round. Yes, but also that was in August. That was in August, right? Yes. Right?

Starting point is 00:40:20 Okay. Because frigging both host teams got knocked out in the qualifying round. Toronto and Ed Money. It's kind of crazy how this all went down. Dustin Nielsen, who works at TSN 1260, who I think every Oilers fan knows, has said, we are now entering the most important offseason in Oilers history. And I think that says a lot, considering they had to trade Gretzky. Wow.

Starting point is 00:40:50 I, you know, I've seen the Knobloch talk. OK, fine. To me, that's a secondary priority, too. You cannot bring back Stan Bowman. You can't. so it's interesting because i was talking to somebody last night they think that knob block doesn't make it but stan survives because you got to get to work right away and if you're bringing in a new person it could be a month for them to get the you know things going that's great you

Starting point is 00:41:13 have the wrong person you have like definitively the wrong person uh trent frederick disaster holloway disaster um broberg broberg disaster mcleod would look pretty good in an oiler's uniform hey man they could have kept fogel too that was ken holland fogel looked pretty good in an Oilers uniform the Frederick extension the Jari trade you can't can I can I say something just an unfathomable amount of damage in such a short period of time for a team that is cup or bust you know who I thought they could have used this series and maybe I'm wrong and maybe I didn't watch enough of his games all three of the Leaf guys that they didn't get Brett Kulak who was a part of the Stuart Skinner trade remember they traded Kulak and Skinner and can you can you use

Starting point is 00:41:57 a shutdown defenseman who's now playing in colorado by the way and in the second round i was about to say he's in oh boy like no bowman and then releasing a video where you're like yeah we gave up a ton for dickinson jason dickinson who was good connor murphy both of them were good murphy had two goals that's pretty good that's a lot for connor murphy right yeah yeah he scored last night um but look at you and like oh okay mcdavid's heard or what okay well you showed that all you're tasked with is just surround mcdavid with adequate players and you'll at least get through a few rounds and with mcdavid still a point per game player but obviously very limited uh you showed that the Oilers have nothing else to offer really when we interviewed Keith

Starting point is 00:42:54 Acton at his Boston Pizza in Stouffville he is the proprietor there you know he's got a picture of himself on the wall drinking out of the Stanley Cup with the 1990 Oilers and at the time we were going into those playoffs and you know the Leafs that was the year the Leafs went to just past the year I think the Leafs went to the second round or whatever it was it was you know it was a year after anyway what what he said and this is with the Oilers having all those good players this is their first run to the Stanley Cup final he said if Connor McDavid and Leon Dryside will do this with this group and that's the 2024 group it will be the most impressive Stanley Cup of all time that's a that's a player who's won the cup played on the same line as Guy Lafleur uh assistant

Starting point is 00:43:42 coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs this guy knows it and he said that group if they won they would be that would be the most impressive run and they came within one game of doing it and wasn't he part of the the Gretzky or not Gretzky the post Gretzky Oilers yes yeah that's the 1990 wow yeah and he's saying that about yeah and and that group got worse that's the thing I mean they did take a step back last year they played one less game in the finals yeah I guess you kind of have to look at it like that and you could look at that and go well hyman it's the playoffs you don't you don't get a complete roster you you don't um i don't think anyone's really oh what was being that aspect of it listen yeah i haven't heard any other fans complain no when mcdavid signed his extension

Starting point is 00:44:28 i was like oh they're winning a cup um this year wasn't necessarily the year i thought it was going to get done and the reason for that is the benefits of his extension don't kick in until next year right so he was always going to make 12 and a half million this year 12 and a half for the next two seasons with the cap going where it's going is insanity crazy town value for the Oilers but the way it's looking is if they don't have a major overhaul and market improvement next year next offseason you're having a much more difficult conversation about connor mcdavid and like i mean i think it's very similar what the leafs are going to face with matthews oh at least the oilers made the playoff yeah but the bar for the leafs is nowhere near as high what it

Starting point is 00:45:18 is for the oilers the oilers this year was cup or bust leaf fans are like can you win a round can you win that'd be nice if you conference final we'll give you a statue maybe we'll give a statue retire your number do anything remotely looking like success once ever please it's not the same uh so don't be like well what about stop do you expect anything out of the leafs okay great neither do we so we're talking about the oilers i brought up the leaf and we're talking about yeah but you know um they have to win the cup next year or come close no because you gotta win the If they go third or fourth round, Conor's not going to be like,

Starting point is 00:46:03 fuck it, I'm out of here. No, I'm on Steve's side. Really? Yeah. They have to win? We've done that. I've seen that movie before. They've come close.

Starting point is 00:46:10 It's about winning it and getting it done now. How many teams... So I'm going to put a caveat on it. So don't just take Conor McDavid off the Oilers, put him on a team, and then they win the Cup. Take any of the other 15 playoff teams. remove that team's best player from their roster

Starting point is 00:46:30 add connor mcdavid in their place how many of them win the cup a couple like colorado obviously like okay mckinnon's there that's a great player yeah the improvement isn't that crazy you know take ranting and off the stars add mcdavid add mcdavid must i think it's a bit of an improvement who's the best player on the hurricanes uh depends on what how you're looking at it like ajo slavin or ajo one of those two take ajo off the hurricanes and replace him with connor mcdavid i think that's which the hurricanes can literally afford that's the game breaker they're looking for they probably win the cup take nikita kucherov is is an interesting one take him off tampa

Starting point is 00:47:20 yeah it's the same with the mckinnon thing right you know so there's the oilers have to win the cup they have to you sign this extension to win a cup so you guys both think that hey that's crazy 100 i didn't what's the other purpose i i thought i thought the purpose was to give them a chance and if they don't do it well okay maybe he leaves at the end of the second year of the extension but you're saying first year extension get it done or else look at trading him yes now if they come real close well because then it's then great on are now in their early 30s at that point it's one of the if they come close to winning the cup and they decide to take mcdavid into the second year of

Starting point is 00:48:06 his extension it's one of the biggest gambles in nhl history i think you take that gamble don't you well it's mcdavid it's all in it is the very literal definition of clear the cupboard we tried it yeah you commit to being duh duh duh dog shit because if he leaves it's over but you could they could the Oilers could win back-to-back cups these next two years and I don't think anyone would be shocked now if if Connor McDavid got traded yeah okay my thing is okay so he gets traded and he's getting and if he gets traded after next season like you guys are talking about like hey so I I don't think the Oilers should initiate any trade I think he might it's him if they're not winning it's where do I go to win the cup I I didn't say that the Oilers

Starting point is 00:48:59 should trade mcdavid oh okay all right i don't want those words in my mouth sorry sorry my apologies what i'm saying is okay so whatever team he gets traded to and it'll be his choice if he got traded i've been wondering like okay so what's the return for that and is any acquiring team going to want to pay that not because it's not because they wouldn't want to because it's conor mcdavid but because are you handicapping yourself and putting yourself in the same situation the Oilers have which is we don't have enough depth to surround Conor McDavid for a true cup run like does Conor just play out the two years and then sign as an unrestricted free agent and say listen guys I gave you the two years uh and I'm gonna now just do me because that to me

Starting point is 00:49:41 if I'm him that's how I look at it it's one of the highest stakes questions asked on this show ever like since we started it in 2013 you you have a chance to win one or two stanley cups in the next two years or lose the best player in hockey for nothing and potentially then have to trade dry saddle too potentially holy like is that the rub is that you know what we go for it and if we make it great if we don't we trade leon i guess and now you got nothing it's crazy oh but like we're talking about a crazy awful doomsday scenario there's also a very real scenario where they win literally back-to-back cups chris johnson said incredibly this was the 16th straight playoff series where connor mcdavid

Starting point is 00:50:35 registered at least a point a game belief was he was severely compromised playing through serious pain uh jean jean francois uh who is a capologist you can follow him at jean francois cba conor mcdavid and wayne gretzky are the only two players in nhl history with two more than two seasons of 33 points or more in the postseason um wow yeah which is crazy this summer mcdavid will begin the first of his second year extension is this the beginning of the end now everybody wants it to be that way i think that's still early but jess let's bring up the conor mcdavid clip afterwards because I thought this was about as honest as it gets in terms of, this is a hard-hitting one.

Starting point is 00:51:19 He didn't tell a lie. You know what I liked about it too? And I'll just preface this as Jesse brings it up. I liked that he didn't say anything. He made no excuses. He didn't say we'll flush it or whatever. He told it like it was, and I really respect this. Well, it's a lesson.

Starting point is 00:51:34 You two didn't have the head mask. they played very fast and we weren't very fast. Yeah, it was just the opposite. They had a good start. We didn't chase in the game. What was it about your game that you guys, you found it in spurts, but you just couldn't maintain it, I guess.

Starting point is 00:51:51 What did you see out there in this? I mean, it's been the whole year. I've been searching for consistency all year. Obviously, we didn't find it here in the playoffs. You know why? I mean, that's, it seems like it goes back to game one. It's been all year searching, searching, searching. Any way to put your finger on how come it was so hard to find the overall game this season?

Starting point is 00:52:10 That was tough. We were an average team all year. You know, an average team with high expectations, you're going to be disappointed. You know, they just never found it. Do you want to play off runs, catch up to the season, finish it off? Whatever. I'm not going to. No.

Starting point is 00:52:30 No. I thought we were. Yeah. I don't know. The special teams battle coming into this series, a lot of people favored you guys. Why do you think it's won so much the other way around? Because we weren't very good on the penalty kill.

Starting point is 00:52:43 Power play didn't get off to a good start, found its way into the series. Obviously we don't get one tonight, but yeah, you know, we struggled on the PK all year too. Searching for consistency there too. The power play could have been better to start the series. Credit to them. Yeah, a lot of guys banged up, yourself included.

Starting point is 00:53:05 I guess how tough was that? You know, some injuries kind of tough to fight through. Yeah, too hurt, too soon. The first round is always tough. It's always chaotic, and it's tough to play through things so early on, as many guys did in here. Credit to our staff for making guys available and making sure they're as comfortable as possible.

Starting point is 00:53:30 That being said, it's not an excuse either. we expected to uh have a have a longer run than we did um here's what it is you can hear the wooing down the hall by the way yeah i think you have two kicks of the can with conor mcdavid and you play it out the next two seasons you better win a stanley cup and then at the end of that extension it's a sign-in trade if you don't have a stanley cup yeah that's how i say that's why i agree with steve where it's stanley cup or bus i don't think it's going to be on the oilers to ever trade mcdavid i don't think they're never going to initiate i don't think you come to that conclusion in february and you're like oh we gotta make a trade i think you just take your

Starting point is 00:54:05 chances with the playoffs that year but if it looks like that they are a second rounded out or first rounding out at the next two years then it's his 10 years done in edmonton i think he's about he's about the cops we looked at this series in this playoffs we looked at it like okay whoever the oilers play we almost like we overlooked all aspects of the matchup and just went it's the oilers they don't deserve that benefit of the doubt and mcdavid agrees like it you know i'm maybe i'm extrapolating putting words in his mouth a little bit when he talks about um the boy he couldn't have said the word pk more times i don't know who runs their pk but i'd be packing my shit um i think there's gonna be huge changes to the coaching staff but he talks about um this

Starting point is 00:55:02 is an average team who assembled it who assembled this average team they weren't an average team last year you really think they should fire him who bowman bowman yeah yes okay like you would get rid of if you were in charge if you were in ceo of edmonton oilers entertainment you're firing stan bowman today yes and it's the and i sleep like a baby and it's the easiest decision i've made wow like but you got to find someone then to replace him and who is that uh jeff you take over the friggin duties until i can find someone jeff was the one that lost them broberg and holloway then maybe he should watch his ass too so because jeff did his job they hired jeff to keep connor they kept connor so jeff did his job all doug armstrong did was do what people have

Starting point is 00:55:51 been asking for for a long time which has made the offseason interesting and offered an offer sheet but it was practical like okay they can't defend themselves from this yep we can afford this they're in our conference so fuck them and we have an opportunity to get two really good players and guess what the blues are not a very good team but broberg and holloway have been spectacular for them yep and i think holloway struggled with injuries this year but he was still good when he was playing yeah and when he was playing he was making less than three mil and broberg making four and he's worth it right shot defenseman could have used that so that's bad the trent frederick trade and then extension i honestly i was for the trent frederick thing i have to say

Starting point is 00:56:37 not the i was in for the trade i was like man he was really effective in boston yeah it was extension was a disaster yeah nobody nobody said yay that's good nobody i tried to in the video So when he signed, I tried to be like, here's how it could be good. And I think he scored 18 goals and 17 goals with Boston, then had a really down year because of injury. But I'm like, okay, if he returns that average, boom, right off the bat, this trade is worth it. It's good to have this player on the roster.

Starting point is 00:57:02 Disaster. I don't know why. Like, we're not being hard enough on the Jari stuff. We said it at the time. That was an all-in move. this goalie took us to back-to-back cup finals and gave us some pretty good hockey in there also gave us some pretty bad hockey but he gave us some pretty good hockey you sold low on him bought high on jari it's a goalie making less on an expiring deal for a goalie making more

Starting point is 00:57:36 on a deal with term and it was a complete and utter disaster i to the point where apparently the oiler players the big guys were calling him out in practice like which is a thing that's followed him around by the way every gm yes it is every gm is gonna make bad deals even the best ones yep this one should do it 31 gm said they don't want tristan jari when he was available for free a year earlier from the pittsburgh penguins and the he puts three good months together and all of a sudden that changes the edmonton oilers saw it was like one a couple weeks of really good hockey and they sent out kulak who you mentioned before a second round pick and the goalie that took him to the stanley cup finals a couple years in a row it's one of the

Starting point is 00:58:25 worst trades we have on history because at the end of the day connor ingram was a net yeah wasn't even the guy you sent out the assets for he couldn't even start for you that deal was good the yes like that was that was the the risk that you took uh all right we'll take him start him in bakersfield but no that is a swing out of your shoes type of move from bowman and he completely whiffed he believed 14 games played a 9-3-1 record in a 909 that's what jari had in pittsburgh and he goes nine six and two somehow still above 500 this team should want to win the cup because he was above nine uh he was above 500 with a and with an 858 why did you get dressed 858 and a shutout when how

Starting point is 00:59:22 you put on your equipment you spent all that time putting on your equipment to give us a 958 the frederick move like okay they're a capped out team that's been one of their biggest challenges with yep roslevic had a good regular season i think he had one assist and he hit a crossbar last yeah he hit a crossbar last night i'm not even gonna like roslevic but you need you need those guys like what connor brown was for them yeah for a couple years you need those guys down in the lineup to be that but like it's such as it's it's a much smaller sin you need to spend every dollar so carefully manjapani was a big swing for you in free agency fart frederick was a big swing for you in terms of trading for him and then extending him fart jari was a massive

Starting point is 01:00:20 swing for you massive and the savings you got on connor mcdavid for the next two years are now mitigated by the fact that you have jari for the next two years stan bowman you should be fired before the end of the show what are we all talking about he's damned this team and he's gonna have to have the off season of his life to bring them back to heaven. Ken Holland made some bad moves in Edmonton, but he made some good ones. Hyman, great signing.

Starting point is 01:00:56 Ekholm, great trade. Wallman? Wallman, great trade. Great trade. Yeah, that was an awesome move. You know, there are guys that he brought in, Connor Brown, he brought in some of these other depth guys that really were a big part of those two runs.

Starting point is 01:01:12 And then what happens, obviously, in the NHL, it's always that, hey, team goes on a cup run, third liner has a good cup run gets overpaid in the offseason 100 and that that's totally fine but the goal of the general manager is not to retain the guy you already have it's to find the next guy who can be that guy and bowman hasn't done that and let me give you some this is a crazy stat so uh the first round goalie stats for uh connor ingram 3.86 goals against average 876 save percentage lucas dostol 3.87 goals against average and an 872 save percentage so even worse and i would tell you from watching that series both were very good i think they were

Starting point is 01:01:53 good it was just they it was it was one of those series you get it was an 80s series if you get slightly below league average goaltending i'm not even going to say league average goaltending you get slightly below league average goaltending you win that series you do and like no disrespect to the ducks but it's again it's the damn oilers crazy crazy unacceptable fireable fumble i think you're barking up the wrong tree just a slightly okay to credit the ducks with what they've done i think joel quenville outcoached chris knobloch masterfully in that series he shut down the top lines of the oilers mcdavid was injured and hampered but i thought quenville did a great job deploying all the guys he had available to him to shut down that line i didn't think the

Starting point is 01:02:44 ducks had that in them like i didn't think they had the personnel to do that yeah and it was shocking to see i don't think every everybody under under um underappreciated what the ducks did all year long and then when they show up in these playoffs against a really good edmondson team they're able to deploy all four lines against their top lines but i think they're going to look towards knob block and him losing the coaching battle in this series and sitting right there is bruce cassidy and i think by the time we record next week on like next week's end of the week episode bruce cassidy is probably the head coach of the edmonton oilers i think he's a great fit i think i think seven days from now he's in edmonton and the one benefit they have if they

Starting point is 01:03:26 don't fire poman is they can just move now they just do it right the leafs are like well we don't know what we're gonna hire this guy and then we're gonna do you're gonna miss the best coaching talent in years bruce cassidy being available yep um and now berube is the head coach listen oiler fans you might be having a down day trust me it's worse elsewhere we're having a down life they should give him like a gold card that says like coach for life he never gets fun has good relationship with ceo yeah nice guy which he is everybody likes chief um i don't care i think the oilers because they always kind of jump on things i feel like in these situations they're not afraid to move off of guys and i think they're gonna jump on cassidy

Starting point is 01:04:12 okay so here's here's my next question to you and we talked about this a little bit and this this is all gonna go into the oilers off season stuff but did you guys see in the third period about 11 minutes to go darnell nurse has completely free ice and he doesn't get past center he doesn't take two strides to get to the red line and he fucking ices it 9.25 million dollars so oilers jack uh who's a big oilers fan account put this together and i thought this was really interesting so darnell nurse had seven regular season goals and zero in the playoffs okay he also had five own goals during the regular season and two own goals in the playoffs no so he has as many nets he on this season had as many own goals as he did goals for now when you say own goal it you know

Starting point is 01:04:56 bounced off and went bounce off i think that kind of sucks if you want a defenseman right yeah it's going to happen but if you're picking on a guy when he's down part and yeah all right you know what yeah how many years how many years are we going to go into the offseason with oilers fans going we have to do something about the nurse situation who wants darnell nurse at that i think plenty of teams do not at that number exactly well how like how do you maneuver that situation no i've seen some like revisionist history about like um uh oliver ekman larson like well he's good now okay yes yes yes but the contract that john jake assigned him to he was making eight million i think it was over eight million dollars and he was so violently not an eight million dollar

Starting point is 01:05:45 player and not eight million dollars today which you might be like oh that's like second pick no eight million dollars eight million pre-covid yeah oh my god you're one of the richest players in the league that'd be equivalent to like 14 million today 9.25 for nurse is untenable yeah oel is a 3.5 million dollar defenseman absolutely maybe he's a little underrated with this cap environment yeah great imagine darn no nurse made that oh if nurse made half buddy if he made six we wouldn't even talk about no that's why i said didn't wasn't the conversation we were having zadorov or i can't remember who we were talking about i think zadorov is who brought up yeah last oh okay like in terms of if he made this much money oh yeah like oh yeah he's great

Starting point is 01:06:35 yeah 9.25 even with the cap going up boy oh boy no thanks i do think you know the leaf should look at you know they should look at that they should look at that they should i love oliver eckman larson i love him yeah but they should call the oilers and go do you want oliver eckman larson now hey can we do that mcmahon might help them can we do that stupid trade that we stupidly didn't do it should have been imagine how different the different the oilers are with mcmahon and Ekman Larson and the speed that McMahon brings because that's the thing with the Ducks cool well they can get McMahon for free this offseason the Ducks are fast all the way through they can and they should like that is a that's a guy that I think would be amazing and you know I want to I

Starting point is 01:07:16 want to talk a little bit about uh some injuries the Oilers had too because every single center on the Oilers was injured uh Connor was injured I think I think he was injured coming into this but I don't think people realize and I didn't really realize when Ekholm fell on his skate in game two i think that was really bad and then you had dry saddle miss seven or eight weeks coming into this you had dickinson who you just traded for was injured and then in the first shift or the second shift of the first game adam henry takes a weird fall on his right knee and he just hits the ice and then you don't see him again and i was like i remember thinking at the time i'm like oh that must just be a deep bruise because it wasn't like a twist or anything and he maybe he

Starting point is 01:07:54 broke his kneecap like i don't know what happened there adam henry 36 years old played a lot of hockey man a lot of 1058 games plus another 68 in the playoffs drafted 2008 comparing honestly just retire he might he's his contract's expiring and he's 36 um on the other side of this the ducks won all series long there were there were times where you know if you look at the overall face offs um they work somewhat even but the ducks would win key face offs and you know in the playoffs there's a difference there's a difference between like you're a neutral zone dot close to the bench face off and key face off in offensive or defensive situation it's a massive reason the habs are up three two tim washy last night the guy they just signed out of college who's the

Starting point is 01:08:40 fourth line center was 11 for 12 mason mctavish was five for five and mason mctavish kept getting face-offs because his face-off guy kept getting kicked out they kicked a lot of guys out of the dot Michael Granlin 8 for 12 there's a guy Dallas misses right yeah and so when you start that when you start and you win those face-offs you can dictate a lot of play and and I have to say I have to hand it to the the the the centerman for the Ducks they were all very very good I'm telling you guys people were laughing at me at the beginning of this series when I said I think leo carlson is if macklin is connor uh then then leo carlson is mckinnon or or dry saddle this guy is he was phenomenal all series phenomenal really and really good bulldozer can't knock him off the

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Starting point is 01:10:33 Now, the other guy, another guy we have to shout out is Jackson Lacombe, who has had nine points in the series, I believe leads the playoffs in points right now. No shot. What? I'm pretty sure he was leading the playoffs a couple of games ago. So if he's not leading it now, he was.

Starting point is 01:10:50 Dry saddle leads the points. Oh, dry saddle leads the points. He's got 10. Okay. I mean, so Lacombe. How demoralizing does that have to be for Leon? Do Shane, Kaprizov, Boldy, and Lacombe all have nine? damn there's a few guys not in the playoffs anymore and then and so lacombe had nine points

Starting point is 01:11:08 in the series which is incredible that the record four points in a series is 10 gets laugh and perry both done that and i want to say this too the ducks scored at five on five but when when the penalties came and they came the ducks were 50 eight for 16 on the series five zero percent on the power play yeah holy yeah you're not that's a crazy you're not winning that it's a miracle it went six it's like it i think that's how good the oilers are you could have a 50 penalty kill and still forced six and who ran the power play for anaheim oh friggin jay woodcroft jay friggin woodcroft yeah i think he is currently and it's what what time is it right now this is 12 26 eastern he's over there on the west coast

Starting point is 01:12:02 he is probably enjoying the most satisfying coffee he's ever had right now and he's living in a place with palm trees palm trees palm trees just that's that has to feel just unreal joel quinnville gave him a shout out he said uh he knew what did he say he said uh jay's got an awareness of a lot of their tendencies and a lot of their predictable moments or what their mannerisms are basically what to expect he was very helpful uh and our power play being that strong with two different units was very well done because that's the key to for the ducks power play unlike the leafs who are so utterly predictable there's so many things about watching the playoffs where if you cheer for a shit team and let's be honest the leafs are a shit team has this

Starting point is 01:12:45 made you mad at them oh yeah i'm so angry i'm so angry yeah the ducks were able to roll uh one minute of one power play unit one minute of the other the ducks were so deep that they're like sorry jackson lacombe playoff point leader for a little while here you're just one point behind dry saddle right now we're going to move you to the second unit we want john carlson on the first unit that's why they got him and they both came through both units were great it's it's i i just feel like like this whole thing about oh only load up the top power play unit that's because you're yo you're not good enough that's just what it means well you don't have enough depth like some teams uh that's been mostly what's happened in montreal tampa uh montreal kind of got away from

Starting point is 01:13:27 that in game five uh but you look at tampa's first unit you're like oh man why are they only using the first unit and then it's like radish passes to hagel passes to genzel passes to point passes to kucherov and you're like oh okay uh for other teams it just works to split it cutter goche how haven't we really talked about him i mean 41 goals this year and unbelievable in the series i think he was leading the team in hits until recently he's hitting everyone who moves and he had seven points in six games four goals um ryan mcgill deserves some credit he's the assistant coach for the ducks that ran their pk and he the the devils had the second best pk in 24 25 at 82.7 he improved the ducks like three spots this this year it wasn't great but it was

Starting point is 01:14:15 a lot better and and it was a lot better come playoff time what i think is very interesting again as a leaf fan is we've never really until maybe the last year um been able to trust our fourth line in the matthews era ever and no the more washy vl line was constantly out there matched against connor mcdavid you've got to be useful like your fourth line can't simply be where you put your three worst forwards yeah that's not a recipe for a championship they've got to have purpose are they bang and crash are they shut down are they go to the net are they what are they yeah make them something you could even make them a defensive liability that can score for the love of god you've got to have a fourth line that has an identity and it's

Starting point is 01:15:07 not just here's our band of merry men that we throw out there for seven minutes a night or whatever uh and like we we talked about how well the ducks shut down the oilers imagine like the looks you would get if you were like you know what i think tim washy is going to do really good against connor mcdavid so the first first thing i think the person would say was who yeah i'd be like you freaking hipster shut up yeah trying to sound smart tim was tim was shut up yeah here's how they put their fourth line together ian moore third round pick 67th overall oh six seven uh 2020 nhl draft which is a weird draft yes washi signed out of college 24 year old signed out of college yep vl was a fourth rounder that they gave to boston and vl plays like a bruin sure does

Starting point is 01:15:58 i think that's a pretty sweet way to build hey imagine not firing for a first round picks into the sun for your fourth line imagine even second round picks brian boyle thomas placanitz guys my heart hurts and and the other thing with the ducks that i think is amazing pat for beak took a bunch of fucking cast offs new york ah truba we don't fucking want you and then a year later actually actually told him for a year they didn't want him but he hung on and then they finally said chris crider get out of here get out can i throw another name in there please because you mentioned him earlier i can't believe grandlin's part of the solution uh i thought right free agent signing yeah when i saw him sign there i'm like yep he's gonna make

Starting point is 01:16:42 a bunch of money there and they'll eventually trade him because this team's going nowhere violently fast he's part of the solution like a huge part of the solution he was great in the series he was great they have cologne they've got it yeah and and cologne was another one where i I was saying on the stream, I'm like, Killorn is essentially a cap dump. People are like, what are you talking about? Tampa just couldn't pay him what he wanted to make. I'm like, that's what a cap dump is. A cap casualty then.

Starting point is 01:17:09 Sure, a cap casualty, great. Tampa said, no, we're not going to pay you that. And Anaheim said, we will. Yeah. And then you trade a first round pick for John Carlson. And you have Killorn, two-time Stanley Cup winner. John Carlson has won a cup. Granlin's been deep a bunch of times.

Starting point is 01:17:26 Kreider and Trouba have been deep a bunch of times. these guys were great in this series they had a lot more experience than they were they were given credit billed as yeah um but like the young guys carried the load they were great they were they were great they didn't need it it's a you know they got it i think beckett seneca is he's going to be a problem for a lot of teams he's six foot four he's a child if you take if you took a 14 year old's head and put it on a six foot four guy that's what beckett looks very young yeah and everybody hates him everybody hates him and what are you gonna do about it because the look at who the ducks are surrounded by the i don't know if they're like a i don't i don't really think

Starting point is 01:18:08 they're an imposing team but they will respond they're not gonna take any shit yeah yeah that's they're a hard out they're a hard out it's made me look at them a little differently like obviously we're looking at the Oilers a little differently but the Ducks are gonna play the winner of Vegas Utah and right now it's looking like Utah or sorry the opposite right now it's looking like Vegas Vegas and six is looking pretty good over here heading into the playoffs I'd be like yeah okay so free space Vegas whoever it is plays the Ducks they're gone I'm not so sure anymore no I'm not either I'm not I'm not sure that Vegas is going to win this series either.

Starting point is 01:18:54 It's going to be, well, no game is ever over. No. Neither team can hold on to a lead. That was like Edmonton. Yeah. Nobody could. Nobody could. I don't, listen, I do think, I mean, listen,

Starting point is 01:19:06 I have some weird, there's some weird deployment things going on in Utah. Let's just call it what it is. You go and you trade Kesselring and Doan for Paterka and now you're playing them on the fourth line. It's not great. It's, there's a lot. What are we doing here?

Starting point is 01:19:20 there's a lot of unforced errors on both sides yeah and vegas i think are slower if if if utah were smart um they would take advantage of the fact that they are slower and that that's what anaheim did to edmonton especially on the back end slow moving back end pieces versus fast forwards usually a recipe for disaster like anaheim's kind of a bad stylistic matchup for vegas i think so if they play their game yeah now people people are and i know drew is amongst them so i'm going have called you out directly he's like adam you gotta remember the oilers were not good mcdavid said it himself so still there's gonna be a lot of people that don't believe in the ducks until they beat a team outside of their own division that's fair those people are gonna learn i think

Starting point is 01:20:02 very soon yeah yeah you believe in the may looking at the ducks just to dovetail everything kind of you guys were going through because uh ducktail just a quacktail everything you guys were talking about the what pat verbeek is doing i think is the perfect way to build a hockey team in this new era where you can't build teams through free agency at all you brought up grandlin that was their only july 1st signing last year they didn't want because they recognize this isn't how we're going to build a good team they did their work beforehand where they acquired crider and truba and this year they they go out and they do the carlson deal and they do the cutter gochie deal and and they do the ryan paling deal yeah he was great that was in the zebras trade yes we forget

Starting point is 01:20:49 that their team largely it will it is built through the draft and traits that is it and grandlin is the one exception on the guys who are not acquired through that way because in the nhl now you're not just gonna buy your way into a really good team they've built this thing up very slowly with a lot of high-end talent through the draft and high-end talent like Gauthier who they acquired from other teams that were drafted highly and then they've gotten the margins through very smart trades the John Carlson trade is fantastic and it what a surprise remember on trade deadline day we're like John Carlson there was a moment where it was like the Ducks might not make the playoffs here and that trade's a disaster totally but they now now that they're in and it's working

Starting point is 01:21:34 And that was a really good trade for somebody who had just at the end of his tenure in Washington's like, I want to go somewhere and make the playoffs and win. And they jumped on that. And then the slowly you look at the other moves they make, like acquiring Trouba, which is a strange deal on the surface for where they were at the time. Remember, that was the bad ducks. Yeah, took on the Trouba depressing ducks because New York was just like, we want to get rid of everybody. And they jumped on that opportunity. and pat verbeek has slowly just methodically been doing these trades and now we're seeing it all come together and vl's another one that's just like who we didn't make a video on who he played

Starting point is 01:22:09 out right who he played no what the fuck no never think about that that's probably one of the so what you guys don't get to see uh is like when three o'clock hits we have to pick and choose and like vl gets traded we're like we're not no we're not doing that and then look who's becoming and a very important part of knocking off the Edmonton Oilers. So I just think Pat Verbeek, if you're trying to model your current franchise of how do we get good, it's through the way he did it. But it was very patient.

Starting point is 01:22:40 Yes. And I look at their ownership structure too. He's the GM and the people above him are more just kind of overseeing the whole operation on the business side. Like he doesn't really have a president of hockey operations who's like poking at him to do anything. He's kind of in charge of all this stuff. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:56 the the zegras trade like i usually when we talk about uh gotye i'm like yeah well it evens out with the zegras trade not really separate trades that well like zegras has been incredible for the flyers like what a great fit they win that great fit they win the trade but paling's been incredible for the ducks and also added on to that a uh second and a fourth yeah they got picks in that great that's okay you can use those like you can do whatever you want that's great they drafted eric nelson with the second the fourth they haven't even used yet because it's this year and we i didn't even mention the goaltending in there recognizing to move off of john gibson because you have the next one you know we have a we have dose stall in our system we're going to

Starting point is 01:23:37 ride with him let's go get a bunch of assets from detroit and use that to bolster everything that when we need to win and we have assets to go get a john carlson we've gained that from having john gibson there and doing that trade and they did really good at this they pulled dose stall in in game five after three goals i think on 10 shots and you know it was quinnville said after the game you know it was not just him it was the whole team i wanted to shock the team i gotta give credit to villi husso to come in and he did he i know he let in a couple of goals i mean that's par for the course in the series everybody lets in a lot of goals villi husso was great in that role too so if you run into an a situation where you gotta use him again even in a losing scenario

Starting point is 01:24:16 you still don't feel like you're like oh fuck well the goalie's out we might as well give up the villi husso trade was for future considerations like like what was the truba trade what was the crider trade it was like a bag of pox guys like it was not well here jesse so jesse said something while you looked that up he's like oh yeah you got some assets from detroit in my head i was like no you didn't that was straight up for i don't know for some reason i remembered it a straight up gibson for marazic it was gibson for marazic a fourth in 2026 and a second in 2027 yeah so they've been like and we're like morassic now is he just not i think he's on the minors finding his post who cares yeah well exactly you you took him on and you could afford to take him

Starting point is 01:24:59 on like the ducks have part of the reason they've been able to do this is they could afford it and they made their move the truba trade was vacanin and a fourth to new york for truba and like what the rangers have used vacanin but like it's truba what about what about uh uh crider uh the cried i've forgotten what that was so you lose vac and ian and a fourth you do that for that's okay you know what pisses me off uh when i see a trade like that and i go what the fuck man what do you mean you weren't in on that what do you mean you didn't pick up the phone oh yeah no there's there's 30 31 other teams that should be like we stink truba is not the guy that he was necessarily in winnipeg or even the guy that he was at his peak in new york but i really

Starting point is 01:25:45 liked him he's showing some of it he's awesome yeah he's he's still great so there's a little bit of revisionism here because the rangers it was a victory that they were able to get out from under the whole cap hit right but but the ducks position themselves as an organization in a way where we could take on a bunch of money yes you know they can take on the eight million dollars fully of truba there was no retention there that's why the trade looks so lopsided right now for the ducks because they took on the full cap here and they had the cap space because they haven't been good for very long but they've been slowly building on and then when you need to add the guys to help them on a playoff run they have the cap space to do it and it's like yeah we'll

Starting point is 01:26:25 take truba who's not an eight million dollar defenseman but we have the space to where it doesn't matter if we pay him that much and if you if you're for checking against the ducks okay uh okay well i'm gonna go after well john carlson okay tall tough uh oh you know what you know who's d i'm gonna pound uh who's d are you gonna pounding jake truba i'm pounding jackson lacombe huge jackson combs a big boy radco gudas radco gudas well he didn't play much in this series and i think ducks fans were thrilled about that um he has not been great as their captain i know but i think ducks fans were like yeah this isn't the fit anymore um uh minchikov hard to get he asked for a trade earlier this year they're not trading them now and guys like heinz and hellison

Starting point is 01:27:10 who've kind of come in uh and we're very sort of you know what i loved about heinz and hellison you never noticed them good hey that's a third pair that doesn't expose you i'm i'm bored when you're on the ice great fantastic great and steve you're asking or adam you're asking about the yeah what's the crider trade the crider trade was carrie terrence carrie terrence to new york and a third round pick and the ducks got back crider and a fourth so you got you gave up Vak and Aynan, you gave up a fourth, you gave up Kerry Terrence, and then you gave up a third, and you got back Trouba

Starting point is 01:27:43 Kreider and a third and a second and a fourth. No. No, who was the fourth? I think you added a couple assets there. Kreider, along with a fourth in 2025, to Anaheim for Kerry Terrence, and a

Starting point is 01:27:59 third round pick in 2025. Yes. Okay. The Trouba, they didn't get any draft picks back. Oh, that's right. added those other jobs it's just that fourth crider and truba dude for those that's that's amazing asset manager steve you always bring this up but that is a gm going back to the well of somebody i did a deal with you love when you're looking at like the dubious deals you remember you always just do this he's got his guy who does dubious text in his phone when he's going to do a deal pat verbeek's like i'm gonna go back to the rangers and get another guy from the rangers

Starting point is 01:28:29 because i clearly like how the truba deal worked out let me go get crider this that was actually thank you for bringing that up, Jesse. That was an extremely frustrating thing about Brad Treliving. And I kind of forecasted that it was going to be Dubas was very predictable in who he was going to call Treliving throughout his career, even before he came to the Leafs talk to everyone. And then in Toronto, all he did was talk to everyone and not actually consummate a deal. it was extremely frustrating yeah but there there's pat verbeek working his rolodex and using the guys he trusts and clearly new york has a good relationship and got two really good pieces yeah he calls he calls chris chris drury and danny breer mini mini mini side rant after

Starting point is 01:29:20 trillivan got fired what comes out oh he was trying to get so and so out of calgary you should have been fired the moment you tried do you what what did i say and for how long did i say the calgary flames are not trading with you brad they're not doing it and they never fuck off yeah enough yep oh you're gonna keep trying pack your shit brad's one of the issues was like he didn't have guys like no imagination he didn't have no vision it sounded like he didn't have relationships with the other presidents and gms to make trades like or wouldn't do it the note about him just sending out that email blast 30 minutes before the deadline being like we need a lawton deal that sounds like it sounds bad but it does happen yeah i don't know how i'm supposed

Starting point is 01:30:03 to read it i read it and i was like that sounds bad so i'm gonna take it back it's bad that he had to send it at all because the deal should have where's the two weeks ahead of time i know where what about the olympic break when they legitimately said yeah i will see how we do and remember coming out of the olympic break the leafs were playing the five worst teams in the nhl and they lost all the games you got they lost every fucking one of them you got great value for Nick Waugh who you traded ahead of the deadline should we take a lesson from this surely not and you'll

Starting point is 01:30:31 surely not let's let's not give them too much credit they fumbled their way into the Nick Waugh deal because the cadre deal fell apart that's that was the cadre package that's first it's the one favor Calgary ever did Brad Max Miller who's a Sharks beat reporter for Sharks Hockey Digest said

Starting point is 01:30:47 Edmonton's elimination has an effect on the San Jose Sharks if one of the mammoth or ducks make it to the conference final the Sharks will pick 19th vegas if vegas makes it they'll pick 20th um and that is from the jake wallman detroit trade oh my goodness which was a cap dump mike greer yo a little some poetry snaps there i don't know my guy mike greer holy shit i i think for beacon greer man gms of the year death valley uh might be returning here oh yeah well not in la no maybe not no two-thirds two-thirds

Starting point is 01:31:26 well like there's a big changing uh change of the guard happening there sure uh i think it's still a destination isn't quentin byfield's gonna be the captain now not i don't know well i didn't hear that dowdy's daddy has played a 14 000 games well that's why i thought he should be captain for one season just give it to him but like he won't be there for very long no he won't And Kopitar is gone, and I don't like to think this way because obviously Kopitar is still an extremely good player. Made a lot of money. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:00 Yep. Now we have a chance to spend it elsewhere. What's that going to be? I don't know. You got to make some good choices. Stop spending it on mediocre defensemen. Death Valley. San Jose is going to be there.

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Starting point is 01:34:35 finalists for the jack adams let's go with rick bonus you're giving me three you're giving me three rick bonus and jesse's gonna give me three now i'm trying to think of all of them who are the guys that we talked about well i think you need to look at the jack adams the way we always can i go yeah please go ahead i'm gonna go uh the man who should win lindy ruff uh the man with the most surprising season dan muse and thirdly it's probably uh it's gonna be one of talk it or cooper they'll probably go with uh mr lawyer himself john cooper i'm gonna say talk it rough and i think it's going to be received extremely poorly quenville

Starting point is 01:35:32 a good a good thing but i think the nhl would be like yeah even if we did want to nominate him we're not nominating him um and they didn't uh jesse nailed it oh nice cooper muse and rough oh they went with cooper fuck that i think it's ridiculous that the guy in your division who beat you and they people are not voting for Cooper. That's ridiculous. Is this going to be his Revenant? That's ridiculous. This is like probably the fifth or sixth best

Starting point is 01:36:01 season he's coached. Yeah, and he's he might get his first his first Jack Adam. What is he winning for? It's Revenant. It's two elite regular seasons in a row. That's what it is. I mean, and they're down three to it. But again, we only judge them on the regular season. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:18 It's hard to argue the last two years. He does deserve one. It's not about the last few years. But it's going to Lindy. It should. Lindy's going to get it. A hundred percent. It can't go to Muse.

Starting point is 01:36:27 It can't. Because the Sabres came further than the Penguins did. Like, as bad as the Penguins were the last couple of years, the Sabres were way worse. Oh, came from, yeah, further back. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy Lindy Ruff's still coaching. It's crazy.

Starting point is 01:36:41 And he's nominated for the- It's crazy he finished the year. Like, when we were talking about the middle of the year, we were like, what, are we giving him 20, 30 games? add jesse if you put five dollars of legal tender on lindy ruff to win the jack adams before the season began how big would your house be i don't know what the the odds were i don't know if i could find it maybe maybe i could find that they should have been 45 000 to one it's it would you probably would have had one of the least odds dan muse the same thing yeah like you probably would

Starting point is 01:37:15 have been down there what odds would have been better lindy ruff to win the jack adams or lindy ruff to be the first coach fired first coast fire i would have taken first coach fire shorter odds on that one you guys probably gonna win the jack adams has he ever won the jack adams who's this lindy ruff he's been around forever you know what i don't know i have no idea rough he's had like two careers this uh i'm just looking um i don't think he has hockey dbo no he did 0506 really yeah so he might this is the fifth time he's been nominated as a finalist um and he did win with the 0506 sabers who are a very good team 20 years ago yeah his first nomination in 20 or sorry he won it 20 years ago it took and it took a season for him to really set in but he got them playing right

Starting point is 01:38:10 man man I can't believe it I can't believe it like I've seen them be good for this long I still can't believe it at that age too you have to think that there's been a lot of trade like some coaches come in and out and they have a fantastic moment in the sun five to seven years max and then they're gone guy like lindy ruff guy like paul maurice i would put john cooper in this because john cooper's been the coach there for at least 10 years maybe more i don't even remember when he got hired you think about you know these decades-long coaches and how many transitions in their communication style their coaching the rule changes you know like all the things that lindy ruff was coaching pre-cap what was salary cap what was lindy ruff's first coaching job in

Starting point is 01:38:58 the nhl what year well i know he's coaching buffalo late 90s so it's got to be mid 90s i'll give you this uh his first uh job in the nhl was an assistant coach which it should be with the florida panthers oh and their inaugural year i think it might have been like 95 96 it was 93 94 was his first year i was six years old so were you like when you when you talk about an nhl lifer yeah his nhl career began in 79 80 it began the year it does gretzky's rookie season he played 691 games plus another 52 i would bet that most people didn't know he was an nhl player yeah and he played nearly 700 games and who steve who the fuck was he playing for uh almost exclusively the buffalo sabers yeah and then three little seasons with uh the rangers

Starting point is 01:39:58 at the end so he exclusively was in new york state i guess on florida for a little bit no no in terms of oh in terms of playing yeah yeah played for the rochester americans and then the San Diego Gulls in 92-93 before... By the way, we got to give the Gulls credit because they've been the San Diego Gulls a long time, and that's impressive in the AHL. It is. It actually is very impressive.

Starting point is 01:40:20 They were in the IHL. Oh, wow. That's throwing it back. The International Hockey League, come on. This guy, he played in the WCHL. Dude, he's a hockey lifer. He's 66, and that doesn't seem old enough. No.

Starting point is 01:40:37 for how long he's been around i'm so he's he's like he's a better part of a decade younger than betman he's been involved in the nhl our entire lives that's crazy good for him our entire life he's looking like he's going to be a 50 year guy here soon without a gap so he played he played before we were born kept playing the moment we were born and immediately went from pro player a pro coach he's been in the nhl for our entire lives with i don't think i wouldn't mind him winning i don't really think it was a guy i think it'd be a really it's such a great story this is a guy who had his name you know chanted in new jersey fire lindy fire lindy he's had an nhl coaching job every single year that he's been a coach like like like there were there were no

Starting point is 01:41:27 there's no gaps in his resume you didn't have to explain that he's uh 93 94 through 96 97 with the panthers goes straight to head coach of the buffalo sabers from 1997 to 2013 immediately goes to head coach of the dallas stars 2014 to 2017 immediately goes to assistant coach with the rangers 2017 to 2020 then goes to the devils the devils 2020 to 2024 now he's back with the sabres i can't believe it that's crazy i have odds for you guys beginning of the season 25 26 jack adams award winner odds can you tell me who had the worst odds to win lindy ruff no who had the worst paul maurice he was coaching the leafs that year 31st 31st uh no no 25 26 like this beginning he wasn't coaching the Leafs oh sorry I thought you said 05-06 no no 25-26 this season Paul

Starting point is 01:42:29 Murray said was 31st in his odds because coming off the Stanley Cup yeah even if they have a good season he's not gonna win right that'd be Berube so Berube was uh 28th 55 to 1 why can't I remember the name of the coach of the Blackhawks they fired so many guys Blaschel no no it's not yeah that's who's oh it is Blaschel yeah but that's not correct um Vancouver it was actually That's 22-1. Coach Adam Foote. No, I'll give it to you. Spencer Carberry.

Starting point is 01:42:57 What? Really? Oh, I guess because they regressed a lot. Well, because they won the... Did they not win the President's Show? Yes. Or that was Winnipeg. No, Winnipeg, but they were second.

Starting point is 01:43:06 They were up there in the East. They were really, really good. There's nowhere to go up. That's the whole thing about the stupid award. Yes. If you were already good, you're not going to win it. That's why Cooper's never won. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:43:17 Because we always expected the Lightning to be good. So, with that, John Cooper had terrible odds to win the trophy this year. He was actually near the bottom. He was 50 to 1 to win the trophy. That is the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7th worst odds. He's right back there with Rod Brindamore and Glenn Gullitson and Bruce Cassidy. So where the hell is Lindy? Lindy is, let me count down.

Starting point is 01:43:45 He's about middle of the pack. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. So I put down $2 for John Cooper. I went $100. what did i say 50 to 1 yeah yeah yeah 25 to 1 was lindy ruff wow 12th worst odds wow that's not best odds those odds are too good quenneville uh terigny corny no terigny is that how he spells it terigny picture last name terigny uh martin saint louis dean evanson and mike sullivan those are the top five evanson got fired yeah at the beginning of the year that's crazy

Starting point is 01:44:22 yeah he was uh 12 to 1 fourth best uh uh 16 1 actually fifth best so there you go yeah what what lindy's done is freaking it's crazy would have been nice to see talk it get a nominee i i think flyers fans fresh off of celebrating advancing to the second round would be legitimately upset i mean i see him that top three but i get why they're doing cooper i just disagree um and bonus i think because they flamed out you can't give them that no no yeah yeah that you can't you can't two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in

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Starting point is 01:46:02 You know, you think you have it bad as a Leaf fan. I do. Well, and you do. but friedman dropped an absolute just monster bomb on 32 thoughts and i thought this was i'm like this is the state of affairs in vancouver yes they could get mckenna or veerhoff or stenberg or whatever carol's carol's yeah but the canucks apparently asked to speak to tom fitzgerald who is the new jersey cast off and fitzgerald said no thanks i'm focused on the nashville job i was like oh no that buddy nobody wants to work you know what because you know what

Starting point is 01:46:46 i think i think rutherford for rutherford rutherford put alvin on blast and basically torched the guy on the way out and i don't think anybody wants to work for jim rutherford right now like let's just call it what it is the whispers are out there i think sarah volley had a pretty big rant about jim rutherford but what he said has been echoed by many people whatever he was in carolina whatever he was in pittsburgh extremely successful um something's changed there and people there's a trust gap is what to put it corporately is what's changed that he's working for like the worst owner in the league yeah is it that nobody wants to work for rutherford or is it nobody wants to work for aquilini and rutherford's doing aquilini's bidding i think that's both are

Starting point is 01:47:32 true yes the answer is yes and i think the fact that what i think people are upset about is rutherford was brought in there to manage up because he's been able to do that before he worked for tom dundon tom dundon's a difficult guy he is and he would be the first one to be like yeah i'm fucking difficult man rutherford could manage him right um pittsburgh penguins ownership situation a little less so that was when mario owned it like you know that was a good they were demanding but you know but this was supposed to be rutherford's thing he's supposed to be the aquilini soother and it sounds like um rutherford and aquilini are like this but if you want to work for them you're going to be the guy that they throw tomatoes at aquilini is a complete

Starting point is 01:48:09 wild card he seems like he is unstable in his whatever management he's doing with his team and he's running the organization into the ground from the very top and there's no one above him canucks fans on the on the stream last night like because i have a bunch of them just tuning in because they're you know they were there for the oilers downfall and uh time zone yeah at times yeah but they're like yeah well if we can't win fuck the oilers right you know so you know what and and flames flames fans too flames fair pretty pumped last night but they were saying they're like listen like why would anybody want to come here we can't even put together a practice rank can we play a game how old was how old was jim rutherford when man first landed on the moon

Starting point is 01:48:50 so man first landed on the room it was 67 or 68 july 1969 oh okay there you go i had to look rutherford would be 20 it was exactly 20 years old i nailed it hey total guess he watched the first ever moon landing as an adult man it's are you saying it's time he's 77 when is go find a when is the new kid with some podcast equipment going to be like steve dangle watched artemis as a 40 year old man they already are and he's yelling into his camera about the least what does this old dangle artemis guy know they are what are they already are the kids making those videos stephen a smith is doing the same bit uh just a little bit more hot takey i think a lot more hot takey yeah and stephen a smith is ageless you can do that forever you can do

Starting point is 01:49:42 I don't know. You can do what grinds my gears forever. I'm excited to watch those kids. Oh, it's going to be fun. Steve Dank, man. Everyone calling the 38-year-old old is going to have a hard time. Steve was there when Matthews was drafted. Steve was doing a pod.

Starting point is 01:49:55 He did a podcast 10 years before AI arrived. Okay, you see that guy up on the banner? Steve saw him play in real life. He saw Matt Sundin and Doug Gilmore and Wendell Clark in real life. The black and white banner. Oh, no. You know the statue on Legends Row? You've seen like three of those guys play hockey.

Starting point is 01:50:16 What an old fart that dangle is. Steve saw goalies with save percentages above 900, which is starting to feel nostalgic. Yeah, which isn't a thing anymore. They're going to come up with some new stick. It's not going to be carbon fiber anymore. It's going to be something else. It'll be like, oh, those guys watch hockey with carbon fiber sticks.

Starting point is 01:50:35 Still nothing beats Lou Lamorello was born during the Battle of Stalingrad. nothing nothing beats that nothing beats that and he's still at games so anyways rutherford and aquilini rms and oh wait no cliff fletcher is older than ice cream and tom no he's not yes he is no ice cream was invented in like china 2000 years ago no no he's not no no he's not what are you referencing i don't know i feel like we looked it up maybe commercially produced ice cream potentially that's good enough existed like when did briars but like okay about being old enough to be born before ben and the ability to purchase ice cream no i isn't saying i don't think that's true i'm looking it up this was you know okay so this building we were in do you know

Starting point is 01:51:23 that this was a a snack shop in the 20s and 30s this building okay really yeah one of the one of the many iterations that this building that we're in why isn't it it was it was like it was like where you went for a soda and you went for like you got it like a float right there's ice cream and that was in the 20s steve and also anti-communist propaganda there you go no ice cream was invented in the 70s you know what okay i'm looking it up i believe it was sliced bread though maybe i did it pre he did predate sliced bread uh yeah but like bread's been around bread's been around but pre-sliced bread yeah but sliced bread okay oh my god okay so wikipedia says it was first sold in 1928 folks were close 1928 and cliff fletcher was born 1935 not ah not quite

Starting point is 01:52:12 all right so so uh it was like a new thing it was pretty new um a couple of things that's what his parents told you know we never used to have this sorry a couple of things i want to mention first off during the flyers flyers fans are so tough philly fans are tough so the flyers in their game six brought the phillies out and said welcome your philadelphia flyers and they're sorry your philadelphia phillies and the flyers fans booed them they booed them in an elimination playoff when it was zero zero that they won in overtime yeah but did they deserve it well looking at the standings they're 12 and 19 so far this year nine and a half games already back at the atlanta braves boo that team fuck them i'm on the philly i'm on the flyers fans they're not

Starting point is 01:52:59 you know what no sorry i just got to get into character as the most exhausting person on the internet i don't know i don't know how a pro athlete signs in philadelphia yeah they're fans they're gonna drive them out of town philadelphia is a tough place to play if things aren't going well it is but but when it's great when it's great god look at porter martone probably will never be able to buy a drink or buy a drink himself in that town ever again no and he just started until he goes on a slump and then they're like porter you pay double yeah yeah fair enough like it's that's what it is man steve what are you gonna do when your favorite player on earth joel embiid leads a dramatic comeback against the boston celtics which is happening right now i don't

Starting point is 01:53:45 know if you're tuned into nba playoffs but they were down he comes back from his injury and now they are coming back from 3-1 they forced game seven and you hate what joel embiid is to sports yes but yeah he's a disgraceful flopper he's he's awful but he would do it at the cost of humiliating a boston sports team yes are you conflicted i yeah i wish the series was 15 games like the sun would explode yeah let them fight let them fight no mb'd can have this one as long as he's humiliated the next round the philly sports is having a moment oh yeah the the two teams right now in the playoffs like they're they're about to tear down the town like it yeah philly philly might not exist in a week's time if both of these two teams do something special

Starting point is 01:54:36 playoffs they've been through worse than this jesse ever heard of the liberty bell sorry i'm just trying to get into character as the uh parking attendant at philly what are you nuts i want to ask you guys something um dk sports pittsburgh sorry dk pittsburgh sports excuse me uh is covering the locker cleanup for the pittsburgh uh penguins today i almost said pirates and um gino malkin admitted that he had spoken to dubas yesterday but there has been no offer and no negotiations and he was asked hey man you want to play next year even if it's not for the penguins he said yep letang then said you just want to keep it going it's all you know when he talks about the uncertainty around malkin's future what do we think are you prepared

Starting point is 01:55:25 for a gino malkin playing somewhere else or do you think they ultimately just get this you shouldn't do it sign the guy so because i don't think he's gonna want a discount he put together a good year you ever see you ever just see a toxic couple i don't know if they're toxic as individuals but they're toxic as a couple yeah yeah sometimes it's just a bad mix no no but they stay together some people stay together for the hatred yes that's their dynamic and it works listen i'm not approving any of this uh-huh you ever see a couple fight and you're like oh but you ever see a couple fight and you're like they do this all the time they do this all the time they do this all the time you're right

Starting point is 01:56:09 malkin and the penguins they do this all the time you're right they're gonna be fine uh malkin had 61 points in 56 games that's a pavelski signing if he goes elsewhere else or elsewhere he should they should somebody should jump in they do this all the time they do this okay so you'd be justified yeah and the contract he's making this year is 6.1 million dollars it's not like we're talking about him wanting to make 10 yeah he's gonna make six million bucks just give him six if i remember line center yeah i remember correctly the last time it was really tumultuous and it lasted a while and it was sid literally going gino and gino goes fine and then signs his deal burke and hextall yeah yeah gino fine and then he signs and goes i am score and he

Starting point is 01:56:51 is scored i am kill you i am kill you yeah i am slash you in the head um yeah i am unhinged crosby's contract expires at the end of next season so maybe one more year that is why then we get into like we got to do a farewell party how many how many years of latang's uh letang still got two years after this but i can see both guys ring up till the end of letangs maybe why not you know but maybe malkin signs for the one year and then him and crosby retire together or they both re-up till the end of um letang and then they all go out together the end is coming for the penguins but they're loaded with traffic so i feel like they're gonna be able to figure this out the key is who's the next game breaker for them and it might be ben kindle but

Starting point is 01:57:32 like i don't know like that's just one guy that's one you need more yeah uh what do you guys do in july 31st well i usually that's like right around our last show of the uh of the season well we got to do something to celebrate evgeny mulligan's 40th birthday and he's still gino extremely effective he's still gino man yeah yeah no like what we were talking about last summer like my view of the penguins is completely different than it was a year ago because that was a shambolic team that just needs to get value for their guys so that they can suck now and build for the future now even though they weren't very good in the playoffs they made the playoffs they had a good season why wouldn't you sign malkin i don't understand what's the holdup yeah i think you

Starting point is 01:58:23 just do it you just do it and also like can it does it hurt to have a guy like that around for the young guys that you're bringing up like you know you're gonna have mcgordy probably in the lineup next year and some of the other guys that they have in their system their system's gotten a lot better under dubas west clark's done a good job dude you have like okay he made 6.1 you could give him seven i think without batting an eye for the numbers that he put as i said pebelski deal but it's like one or two years and by at 40 years old you should be on rolling one year deals yes you can't you can't commit to somebody for two years unless and even crosby was 38 when he signed his extension you can't at 40 one year is the max you're gonna get and that's okay or 1986

Starting point is 01:59:01 He's one of the oldest players. Older than us. That's insane. There's not a lot left. It's less than 20. There's one thing I want to do before we get to the Leafs, unless, Jess, you got something there, Penguins related? No, it's just you got to call up the Toronto Maple Leafs

Starting point is 01:59:13 who love signing Chris Tanev until he's like 42. I know. You know he's going to retire at some point, and they're LTIR. Chris Tanev, who's currently 36. I don't know what his birthday is. He might be turning 37 this year. It's signed until 2030. So he's going to be, what, 41, 42?

Starting point is 01:59:29 Yeah. Okay. Hey, so just a memorabilia question for you guys. Chris Tanev, December 20th. The winning bid on Wayne Gretzky's last jersey as an Oilers player, which would have been the Stanley Cup winning game, that jersey. 1988. That's right.

Starting point is 01:59:47 Just sold for how much? Because remember, it's hockey. So game worn. Game worn. Gretzky jersey right before the trade to LA. Stanley Cup win against, I believe, who was that against? It was a weird one. i don't remember coffee was already gone i'll say a quarter million dollars quarter million

Starting point is 02:00:07 which is a lot for hockey memorabilia it is it is north of a million i'd say two million dollars 2.8 holy shit american dollars for a hockey jersey yep that's how you know wayne's wayne the jersey was photo match to two stanley cup games the photo photo match to two stanley cup finals games that's how they were able to authenticate it i want to know how the person selling it got it i gotta know how you got it like that's a story i would want to know yeah how the fuck you end up with that isn't that cool like how did you get it and it was yours to sell you know what i mean yeah i can see someone just tiefing it but like is it yours well i think they have to before it goes to auction they have to verify that you didn't steal it right so holy

Starting point is 02:00:54 yeah you said 2.8 million american holy shit hockey on the rise again man i in in the state hockey on the rise yes but i don't think you i don't think people understand how insane that is for a piece of hockey memorabilia yeah i remember they were selling like george vesna's pads a few years ago and it was like 300 grand no so that was that was a controversy i think it was i don't remember what brand it was but they bought george vez and his pads and they cut them up to put them into cards oh i hate that and people were like no yeah no that's dumb you should never have done that um okay also the second highest uh sale for a jersey ever uh that same jersey because the previous record was 1.45 million dollars for a jersey which was the same jersey that was sold

Starting point is 02:01:43 in june of 2022 so they made a million and a half dollars basically yeah in a in four years yeah so they were able to they bought it then uh i don't i don't know who the actual person is who's doing these transactions but they bought it then it was sold for 1.45 million five two four one point four five two million dollars and in this time period they were able to photo match the jersey to a couple different events so they're they said he didn't only just wear it in those games They were able to conclude that he wore it in games one and four of the Stanley Cup final, as well as a game earlier in March 1st, 1988, where he got his 1,050th career assist, passing Gordie Howe for the NHL career league. That's crazy. They got the jersey.

Starting point is 02:02:35 They bought it. And then in the meantime, from 22 to 2026, they were able to make it more valuable by connecting it to more Gretzky events. And what's crazy is back then, they wore Oilers jerseys or everybody wore jerseys the whole season. It was just the jersey you had. Now it's like, well, every couple of games, they're switching it out and whatever. They're auctioning it. Yeah. So that's crazy.

Starting point is 02:02:56 So imagine this is your job, okay? Your job. What do you guys, hey, you're on a date. What do you do for a living? I photo match. That's what I specialize in. So you're looking, I would assume, for imperfections. And you're trying to see if those imperfections happened during the season that it was worn.

Starting point is 02:03:12 Yes. So that service. Fuck. They were able to that's a 93% increase because of the photo matching process in four years. Just these are these are photos from the 80s. Yeah, they're not exactly high def. And you have to verify them. You have to verify that the photo was taken by which photographer.

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Starting point is 02:03:50 WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. It's really tough this time of year keeping a schedule, especially with all the hockey to watch. And so what if you could have your lunch and your dinner taken care of in two minutes what tempo all right you got meetings you got errands you got late nights you got kids and they gotta go to activities swimming swimming and soccering and whatever else maybe key ball whatever it is they all kind of have the same activities all these little kids yeah and it's just you know it's like well it's oh it's only an hour but really it's an hour to get there and then they're at home and the it's all of a sudden

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Starting point is 02:05:17 else's uh worth noting I was reminded of a story yesterday that is public uh that when John Chayka left Arizona um Jesse yeah Jesse knows what I'm about to go here I pre-laughed so Bill Armstrong gets brought into this is reported so this is out there okay Bill Armstrong gets brought into uh hit the the office all of this and john shaka had cleared everything out but bill armstrong walks in and there are monitors in like a semicircle all across the desk and bill goes well this is kind of great so he tries to log into the computer and only one of the monitors is working and he's trying to work the other monitor whatever so he talks to the tech guy in arizona it's good that they had one sure i'm surprised surprised too yeah it's like no figure

Starting point is 02:06:02 it out yourself or the coyotes um but that the tech guy came in the engineer or whatever and said oh yeah yeah none of those monitors work uh they're just frozen screenshots of cat friendly and they are there for the show so the the report was that only the monitor in front of him worked and that the other monitors were just that's listen i want to i want to say this i want to say this. Oh my God, bro. If you're a leaf fan, the way this search has gone down, I'll just tell you around the league, people we're talking to, everybody is pointing out how embarrassing this is. Now, again, we say, and we said this last show, we're open to this going well, if it goes well, great. But right now around the league, around the league, people are looking at the

Starting point is 02:06:58 Leafs and going oh my god this is embarrassing so I have a little intel there I I over the last 72 hours or so I think because of the last show that we did yep I have never been inundated with messages on the same topic from people inside hockey the way I have about Chayka ever the the people currently in NHL front offices people formerly in NHL front offices people who cover this team in toronto people who cover other teams around the league people who text me all the time people who very rarely text me people who never text me all of them have chica stuff and they all think this is the biggest joke ever last night was the first one first conversation i had with someone who's like here's why this might be okay can i ask what they

Starting point is 02:08:02 said because i'm hanging on to but my my fingernails here man um well like there are you know the good was still wrapped in bad or maybe it's bad wrapped in good like there are some you know how not every gm deals with every gm there are some gms who will not take this person's call like wow they won't if john shake is calling they won't answer the phone that's insane like in the league so that's that's a respect thing yeah that's a respect thing well that's i have no respect for well like one of the negative things that i was told i mean he got the job at 26 he's now 36 or 37 it's difficult to get there without shiving someone yeah on the way up yeah and as a result like there's i think at least two gms who like won't answer his phone wow i will say this

Starting point is 02:08:58 i believe that the connections everybody's talking about how ty domey's orchestrated this i believe that completely yeah i believe that if i'm not mistaken max domey lived with john shaken when he lived in london yeah playing for the knights ty domey's well i'll just be honest like his involvement scares the daylights out of me i don't think that's a good idea at all i don't think that's healthy for anyone but with chica sorry i did tease something good here um hmm brad wasn't able to pull anything off right so there's a friendly guy who is so well regarded around the league talks to everyone wasn't able to do a damn thing and he's sending emails at the 11th hour going can someone please take scott lawton you know and stuff like that yeah and

Starting point is 02:09:52 then there's john chayka who a lot of people around the league old school analytics all those guys a very few of these people like him right but if you go and look at his resume he was a mover and a shaker like and not just in hockey like he's been very successful in business too okay fine and like that's good and like people bring that up but like i listen i'm trying to go no no i'm not trying to be mr negativity about this because again it has to play out but well because negativity is the easy thing to do here a hundred percent and what i'm what i will not do this time guys i did this with true living and i own this yeah i thought and i think i'm still right but i thought in calgary a lot of this was ownership and don maloney you know

Starting point is 02:10:38 getting in the way and it was yeah but that also doesn't mean that brad was good and and so you know as much as we can say while he was on a team with limited resources they had uh on a fixed or unfixed ownership situation i'm sure the owners changed like three times while he was there right you know and and whatever the reality of it is that he got in big shit when he left and then he interviewed for a job uh and i think the coyotes also messed this up too he interviewed for the devil's job uh when he was already employed by the coyotes the coyotes apparently said yeah you can go interview for it and then they said no you can't and then it was so like and that fits with the coyotes at the time but i i will not give him a pass for that regardless

Starting point is 02:11:20 until such time as you prove it and i'm open to you proving it i'm dying for you to prove it and be great i i talked to somebody yesterday and they're like listen toronto fans are torching this Chayka move and and they said we we understand why because nobody trusts Keith Pelley let's just call it what it is no one it's and no one should Keith Pelley based on what the only good thing I think the only way Keith Pelley comes out of this not looking like a goof uh at least in this initial hiring is he hires a steady hand like a Mike Gillis a Doug Armstrong whatever people go well I guess I can understand why he defaulted to that now that comes with its own challenges Gillis was out for a long time Doug Armstrong has not assembled the uh a rocking team

Starting point is 02:12:00 in st louis let's be honest but you know pelly coming in here and then taking a risk like this is an enormous and then and basically what he's done is he's going to take an enormous risk on sheikah but he's going to try to cover it bringing matt sandina and giving it credence the the the analogy i saw on twitter was um hey you ever uh you ever give a dog medicine by wrapping it in g's Sundin's the cheese yeah and I think Mats will have

Starting point is 02:12:34 a lot to give here like you know people are like well he doesn't have any management experience and I listen

Starting point is 02:12:39 I'm the first one to say that sure but I think Mats will bring standards and passion like I don't know

Starting point is 02:12:45 that you will find a guy who loves the Toronto Maple Leaf crest as a former player more than Mats did and

Starting point is 02:12:53 he was so mad at the organization for even suggesting that they might trade him at the end of his career that he like didn't have any contact with him for 15 years that's how much he loved being a leaf and again in his book home and away which is fantastic you should read it anyway but with matt's coming in with matt's coming in you should definitely read it um like you find out so much about his life it's like nine or ten chapters in before he even yeah like starts playing pro hockey well they so the person i

Starting point is 02:13:22 was talking to said listen you guys i understand why leaf fans are reacting this way but you're wrong and and this person fully believes that shake is going to come in and do a good job here's the thing well here's the thing can i finish oh yeah sorry yeah yeah so the the 0708 leafs he talks about like coming into the room and like flipping a table and being like we only get so many cracks at this and i believe in this group and he wanted the team to add to the 0708 leafs bad team so i love his passion per 60 oh blue and white through the veins i love it also talent evaluation i well i mean when you're a player it's a little different it is a little different um and with chica i can't remember if i actually got to saying this brad's uh fatal flaw

Starting point is 02:14:09 was like knocking on every freaking door and coming up with nothing going almost a calendar year between trades that will not be the case with john chakas no he'll he'll move if you want someone to make trades this guy's gonna make trades i do and i'm not that i'm not gonna lie that is not unappealing to me i like that so the tie domey part of this that i've heard from a few people is that now the full court press at mlse is to keep nylander and matthews and that's the first time i've heard any whiff of nylander being a guy and to be honest with you when we talk about um what i mean by it like that is a flight risk the matthew's question to this point has always been for me pretty straightforward he got he's in his he finished his 10th year this year nine of

Starting point is 02:14:56 those 10 years they put him in the playoffs yeah so be awfully shitty of him to go well f you guys first sign of trouble i'm the captain but i'm out of here right okay you can understand why quinn hughes did it he made the playoffs like once right after a while you go this just isn't going to happen with austin they got two more years and if they're not winning by this time next year at least in the playoffs we're starting to hear that he's gone and i think that everybody kind of understands and rationalizes that leaps would have to make a trade you can't lose them for nothing the way you did with marner you can't so now max domi and austin apparently very good friends it's gonna be on ty and mats and whoever else comes in to show him and convince him to stay

Starting point is 02:15:40 and uh and that's apparently a very big priority for maple leaf sports and entertainment is retaining matthews and neil and i mean that's nuts that's nuts so like one thing that's been brought up is like uh like the conflict of interest having ty and max like it i don't think that's a thing like i don't think that's a thing if you look around the nhl there's plenty a father son uncle nephew yeah whatever bit of a family business that way but the fact that they're like tag team and the duties to keep austin i think is nuts and like they're gonna have to sell on this if max domi's name was not max domi this would it would sound completely ridiculous that we'd be like yep that's the guy who's gonna help keep austin here what are we doing

Starting point is 02:16:29 that's an effective middle six winger is that is that fair like he's the guy who heading into last season i was like him on austin's wing that's okay until they figure out a better solution now it appears to just be that's what they're doing what they're doing going forward yep yep and that's not good enough yep like i'm here to tell you it's not good enough Jesse, how do you feel about your first incoming interview press scrum with a GM who's basically your age? John Chayka. I think what's very transparent is that Keith Pelley doesn't know what he's doing, and he's

Starting point is 02:17:12 at least admitting it by bringing in a bunch of people that he thinks he should trust, and they're helping him make this decision. It's just a matter of the people that he is entrusted to trust is, I think, where the question comes. It's Hamza Taraini is his right hand man who's an executive there at Rogers. He's been through this whole interview process. He's been right there with him. He has a friend that he met through golf who's a hockey player back in the day. He's really trusted his mind and Ty Domi. And that's one of the other guys he's really trusting this process. And Ty brought in Matt's to help them oversee this whole thing. And eventually through the process, Matt's evolved into signing on for an executive role. And it all comes back to Pelly and a matter of is.

Starting point is 02:17:59 Is it good that Rogers has entrusted him with the keys to the organization and the people that Pelly has surrounded himself with? Are they the right guys to choose the path for the Leafs? And I don't think the team is going to be 32nd in the league next year. there's enough pieces where they will stay afloat good enough so it really doesn't matter who's in that gm spot in that regard but if you're talking about building a championship this doesn't sound like they are building a dynasty here correctly in the right way from the top down from ownership to who ownership is trusting to who the guy that ownership has put there to build it who he's trusting to who those guys are going to come in it's strange that you have given the keys to one

Starting point is 02:18:46 of the greatest franchises in the nhl to matt sundin who is all-time great respect him immensely as a hockey person but as someone who has not lived in north america since he has played in the nhl and we can't expect has kept up with the game that entire time please don't make me resent zero zero executive experience zero experience building a hockey team zero experience that we know of of keeping up with the game and then john chayka who has who's exiled from the league six years ago and has not worked in league in that whole time and who a lot of people have a lot of bad things to say about it's odd that those are the two individuals that one of the greatest franchises we have have entrusted the keys for the next evolution and and the key piece of the

Starting point is 02:19:32 rogers purchase of maple leaf sports let's be honest they're most valuable on the raptors might raptors are probably actually more valuable oh yeah in terms of namesake is how we'll name sake it's the leafs and those two like they fingers crossed they do a good job listen you can always luck into it sure totally no yeah there's 2013 vibes that team sucked made the playoffs well i'm just talking about that you could maybe john chaik has learned a lot maybe being out of the game has taught him a lot yeah i mean we were gonna say if we're gonna cope like that if gillis had been hired we'd have to be like well maybe being out of the game for a long time has taught him a lot what i don't like you have to be open to it i i like being open to it

Starting point is 02:20:15 what i don't like is like well steve like you're better at your age than you were at 26 i'm like okay so let's just hire the oldest person possible by that by that logic cliff you're up yeah um the guy you mentioned the actor um who i don't know of never heard of him until this moment looked into it a little bit so his name's todd carroll and pelly trust him for some yeah they met on the golf tour and he's a former hockey player and he's good friends so he has an elite prospects page he coached i have no clue what league this is but in 2013-14 he coached a team called the wendy's avalanche yeah which is funny because john chayka owns a bunch of wendy's yes his family does it it runs deep yeah here's here's the problem and we do have to go here so

Starting point is 02:21:06 yeah okay sorry we've we've touched on it it's it's not necessarily about trusting chayka although a lot of people don't do that none of us trust keith pelly none of us just keep on so you bring in chica well very few people trust him and also i don't trust keith pelly so there's a lot of distrust going on you bring in the agm from dallas is scott white scott white the dallas stars trusted you i trust you i like what they've done for like a decade i like what the dallas stars have done so all right there's a little bit of trust julian brisebois elliot freeman reported today is is a guy they asked permission to speak to i trust julian brisebois okay great all of a sudden i trust you a little bit more but now you've come down to this guy who does not have a good name

Starting point is 02:21:59 within the sport he doesn't being hired by a guy with an even worse name in the sport it's it's hard you have to forgive people for being skeptical well and they should be and and and you know leaf fans let's not uh jesse hit that extra uh no i have more let's not be copers here like let's be skeptical be skeptical until they prove it otherwise i think that's a completely fair position to take given where the organization finds themselves nah nah well i'll still be saying go leafs go always oh but i'm gonna be mad as hell the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete

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