The Steve Dangle Podcast - Quiet | October 10, 2017

Episode Date: October 10, 2017

On this episode, Steve Dangle Podcast Marlies Night (00:00), the Leafs won AGAIN! (03:00), let's focus in on Auston for a moment (29:00), Adam has a terrible idea for overtime (37:00), so those Rangers (48:00), Peter Forsberg on Matt Duchene (54:00), what the hell is going on in Vegas (1:02:00), Pickard signing! (1:09:00), Kyle Turris (1:12:00), homegirl Bella Hadid is dope and fresh (1:24:00), and the Press Conference! (1:35:00). Originally aired: October 10, 2017 Follow us on Twitter: Steve Dangle: @Steve_Dangle Adam Wylde: @AdamWylde Jesse Blake: @JesseBlake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Weil. Wow! Before we get to anything, like, news from around the league. Hockey related. I think it's important that we talk about the fact that the Steve Dangle Podcast Marley's Night is coming up. And there's been a lot of confusion around this. That's good.

And Mrs. Dangle was like, you know what? You need to sort this out, Wild. You need to sort this out. Did she actually do that? She texted me. She's like, you need to sort this out. You know what? She helps me with my emails, and she's gotten into the really bad habit of just sending

emails and having conversations on my behalf, as me, not telling me about them. I had no idea she contacted you about that. She's like, well, the feedback from people listening is that there's been a lot of confusion around this. Which is true. And we were going to address it. So here we are. Beat me to the punch.

So here's the deal. Okay. It's like last year. And if you didn't come last year, essentially the idea is this. October 22nd. It is a Sunday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. What else are you doing on a Sunday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon? It's on a Sunday?

Yeah. I had no idea. Yeah. I don't even know what's going on. Well, now you know. See, this is good. Please explain it to me. Jesse just made a mental note to get Advil.

Yeah, because Jesse Siglin does fun things on Saturdays. Yes, yes. So yeah. So Sunday, 4 o'clock. And here's the thing. We're going to watch the game. It's against the Charlotte Checkers, which feels like a team the Mighty Ducks and D2 would have played.

Right after Trinidad and Tobago. Yes. Yes. Crazy, right? A little bit. And essentially the thing is this. We're going to give you a little discount. When you buy your tickets through Marley's.ca,

use this promo code. SDpodcast. Steve Dangle Podcast. It's SDpodcast. SDPodcast. Or STP Oddcast Whichever fits you It is the official Steve Dangle podcast night

Which is amazing Or you can call our buddy Harrison who hooked us up with this Harrison Ford? No Harrison Kell Not Harrison Ford The second best Harrison that we know I know many other Harrisons You just never asked me

I was going to debate that I'm going to give you Harrison's number It's just Harrison Harrison.Kell Or 416-815-5556 Here's the thing Bring your skates Wait what do you do

When you call that number Well you talk to Harrison And buy your tickets If you want to buy your tickets The old way Or you go to Marley's.ca And do it It's all in the posters

Steve's going to tweet this out I'm going to tweet this out Jesse you better retweet one of us Or tweet it out yourself Okay So essentially You can buy your tickets there Again a little discount

And we're all going to sit In the same section Which is super cool We wanted to rig it up that way So we could all sit In the same spot And we're going to skate On the ice afterwards

So bring your skates Get ready to rock and roll It's going to be a lot of fun Bring your kids Bring anybody you know We're gonna skate on professional hockey ice surfaces And if you bring trash skates Homeboy's gonna get it

Steve's talking about something that will come up later in the show It's so uncomfortable Bella Hadid with her Nike ad But we'll talk about that later That was an ad? On purpose? No, it was a complex There's a feature where they go sneaker shopping with celebrities There was no paid advertisement on that?

No Oh, I thought it was paid Celebrity sneakers An advertisement, Adam? So we... No, but I'm just... Okay, we gotta talk... We'll break it down later.

I need someone to tell me how talking works. I need someone to... From the National Hockey League Twitter account, most goals through the first three games of a season in Maple Leafs franchise history. In 1917, 1918, it was 27. Jesus. In 2017...

That's an average of nine goals a game. Well, that's when people scored 10 goals in a Stanley Cup game. Ah, yes. Sody Claghorn plays right wing and goaltender. Also coaches. In 2017, 2018, the Leafs have 19. Not bad. Wow.

And 100 years later, pretty close. I mean, they're not as good as we were 100 years ago. I mean, Austin Matthews and William Nylander and Mitch Marner need to step it up because we're not as good as we were 100 years ago. Take a page out of Charlie Konica's book. Go have a few more whiskey and cigars. Yes. And make it happen.

Get on the bench. Yeah, it's funny. Last night was a 4-3 overtime wicked game between the Leafs and Blackhawks. That was a fun game. It was a fun game, but in comparison, I'm like, ah, that was pretty tame. Yeah, well, I thought the tame game was Winnipeg. That was the Leafs' most boring game of the season so far. What?

No, I know. Winnipeg was the most boring game of the season. The correct answer is there have been no boring games because they've won them all. It's true. There you go. And, you know, I mean, we start from the beginning here. It seemed like the Leafs were out to a good start. And like the Blackhawks do, they find one way to beat you.

Then they exploit that way, and then they find another way, and they exploit that way. Yeah, Mitch Marner. Yeah, banging off Mitch Marner's elbow. Unbelievable. What was interesting was the Blackhawks really dominated the second half of the first period. But in true Blackhawks style, came out with two goals up from it. Like, they finish. They finish.

See, this game, or the first period in particular, was a good example of your eyes being dirty, smelly liars. Because that's how I saw it, too. I saw it as the way Ken Campbell saw it when he tweeted, poor guy. He tweeted, you know, this is just a master class. The three-time Stanley Cup champions schooling the Toronto Maple Leafs. And then, of course, they come back and I'm like, oh, Ken. Ken's a nice guy, I promise. They dominated the second half of the first period, but I felt like the rest of the game was the Leafs.

I agree, but even in the first period, the numbers are overwhelmingly Leafs. Really? Which I didn't expect at all. And Patrick Marleau, I was going to say, his best game is a Leaf. I don't care if he scored two goals in the first game. Nope, negative possession player. But that's not the be-all, end-all. He did some things that I thought were really good.

The Matthews line was ridiculous. Have you seen the numbers for that? Well, I got a couple. That's one where you didn't need the numbers, but now that you have them, it's even better. I got a couple, but I don't know if this is... Well, this is according to James Myrtle. But Austin Matthews at the beginning of the third period was only on pace for 60 minutes of ice time because of all the penalties called.

It's ridiculous. He played the majority of his ice time against Keith Seabrook and Kane. Apparently 84% possession. And the even strength shot attempts Were I believe 29-3 For the first period or second period? I think it was the whole game

That'd be a lot for one period Utter dominance Of what is supposed to be one of the best lines in hockey And 13 different Leafs have scored In their first three games Zaitsev has two goals He had to wait until December 17th last year to get one It's amazing

It was that goal that seemed like it was never going to come, and it was this weird floater against the Penguins. Two! I'm glad you remembered that, Steve. I'm glad you remembered that thing. When you make a video about every damn game. Floater against the Penguins back on December 17, 2016. And that game went to overtime.

Jake Gardner scored the winner. There you go. So, I mean, I have to say. Ask me how long divide. Don't know. So, basically, the Leafs get it to 2-1. It's 2-0 after the first. They get it to 2-1.

Thanks to Zaitsev. and it's a great setup from Connor Brown, and you're like, yes. And at this point in the game, I don't know if you guys felt the same way, I was frustrated. I was sitting there gnashing my teeth, and it might have just been I was tired

and maybe a little hungover from Thanksgiving, but I felt like it was just frustrating with all the penalty calls. And it didn't even have to be against the Leafs. It was just like another whistle. Well, can we get five on five? It was four on three for a little bit. Yeah.

It's hilarious. And like, I just I don't know the Sport anymore, it seems I saw some people Going, oh, you know, you see that goal And how could you not like what hockey's Becoming, okay

3-on-3 overtime is a little different From, it's supposed to be It's supposed to be 5-on-5 I don't Slashing Is a tap These days, and it's the NHL's fault that it looks terrible. It's the

NHL's fault that the players are having such a difficult time adjusting through three games granted it's just three games so far at least for the Leafs because they've had these rules written they didn't change a damn thing it's that they're calling it the way it's written it just looks like

trash and the flow is awful. It's supposed to be this free flowing game I think this is short term suffering for what will make the game better long term But right now it just looks like trash So it's frustrating to follow

I'm sitting there going I thought you were going to say you were frustrated Because none of the goals were really our fault Because the first one Was off the stick And then the other one was The first one was off Marner And then the second one was off the stick

Oh I didn't Yeah it hit Freddy's stick in the corner going around And then it bounced back out I should have mentioned that in the video And then the third one was off the There was a wide shot, and it went perfectly to who to go to take. Dick Panic. And the second one was a bit of blown coverage by Nylander.

But it was still a bounce off of Aaronson. Freddie's allowed 10 goals through three games, and I have a difficult time faulting him for more than maybe two. Yeah, and let's not— I don't want anyone to get the impression that we're blaming that on the refs. I think there's a lot of blown coverage going on with the Leafs' defense right now. Rosen is not selling me. Rosen's not selling me.

Again, extremely early. Extremely early. I mean, I'm the guy who gets frustrated with Jake Gardner, so what do I know? But Borgman, I just like him more. Now, it was Borgman that I wanted to bring up because it led to the Richard Panic goal, Jesse, that you were talking about. That ridiculous bounce. The Borgman hit was bone-crushing. And we've seen this, like, when I saw them play at Rico Coliseum a couple Fridays ago

when I paid way too much for preseason tickets. Still don't regret it, by the way. But you could be going to a game now for the same price. For 100 plus. Anyway, Andreas Borgman laid a guy out on Buffalo. Is that a wild man? Andreas Borgman laid a guy out from Buffalo, and you could feel it in the arena. And it felt like that hit on Debrinkat was one of those that you could feel it.

And you want hits like that. You want clean, booming hits like that. However, from my angle on the television, which I realize makes me just a fan, it looked like Brindacat was at least going to play the puck in the corner. Brindacat. Was that intentional? No, I don't think it was. Dobrincat.

And then, of course, you know, he lets it kind of go by. And then all of a sudden it's an interference call. I don't blame Borgman for laying the hit. I don't blame the ref for making the call. Interference is when you hit the guy And he doesn't have the puck He didn't have the puck Borgman's job is to stop the guy who has the puck

It looked like he was about to have the puck And he hit him What are you going to do? And it's a late call too To me it felt like I don't know I'd have to go back and watch the replay again See I wasn't paying attention I was just like Oh he's dead

To me if Debrin Cat gets up I don't know that they would have called it I mean that Really? I think if he gets up there, I know that, listen, I know that's a hot take. I know there's a lot of people out there who disagree, but I feel it in my bones. If Debrin Cat had gotten up and was fine, and of course he takes a moment that was a hard hit, that, I think, is not necessarily a penalty.

I think it's just a late hit that they let go. We sort of talked about it last year during the playoffs before the big rule change. The refs are willing to ignore a lot of stuff, and even still, they're willing to ignore a lot of stuff. But if it affects possession, if it affects possession, it's right there. They have no choice but to make the call. You know, Dabrinkat missed the puck, but he could have gone and got it. Nope, got crushed. It affected possession.

There's your power play. Yep. So then we have the puck bounce off the end of the board somehow, some way. Darth Vader, Star Wars, Force bullshit. It goes to Richard Ponick right on his fucking tape. Right on the tape. Three goals in three games. Three goals, and he scores.

Hilarious. And it has to be Richard Ponick that puts him up 3-1. Has to be. So then, and I think, Steve, you touched on this in your video, the question becomes, okay, so this is a goal-scoring team that we cheer for. Yes. Is this the opportunity? Is this where they're going to go and hide and go,

okay, well, we've lost this one, and it's against a good team, and you know what, we'll get them next time? Yeah. Or do they try and maybe push and tie this up? Well, this is the thing. Defense wins the championships, allegedly, because the Leafs can score, score, score, score, score

and then the Rangers game happens oh, they tied it. Guess you're gonna have to score some more goals and then they went out and did that they won that game by three goals Leafs are down late in the game what's the other team gonna do? Crawl on a turtle shell like every NHL team ever. No NHL team

has ever been like, we're up two goals in the third let's continue scoring. That's just, I don't know why but every single team, right from the Bums to the champions. Do it. If you're going to do that and let the other team come to you, and the other team is the Leafs, yeah, take advantage of that.

And the Leafs in this one proved that they're capable of a late-game comeback. Now, they required some good fortune, too, just like the Blackhawks. That Connor Brown goal sucked. That sucked. Like, Connor Brown deserved it. He had a great game. But Anton Forsberg made a bunch of saves that he probably shouldn't have. So one of them is bound to go in.

Fine, but that goal sucked. Like, I get it It all evens out That was a very Jonas Gustafsson Circa the Leafs game Where, yeah, okay, you made all those saves And I appreciate that But what about the one that went in?

That was freaking terrible Man, Gustafsson allowed goals that I still remember Kasper's dog events I haven't forgotten Anyway, and then The JVR goal Like, come on Bounces off his skate

Darren Millard made an interesting point on Hockey Central. At least I think this was the point he was trying to make. I was driving. I was paying attention to the road. The puck was along the ice. And pucks along the ice, you hope the goalie stops. But takes a weird deflection off JVR's skates. Almost looked intentional, didn't it?

Almost. I thought it looked like an NHL 3's goal. Like I thought, like, you know, like when... The lights in the arena dim. Yeah, well, the computer scores accidentally on itself, and the computer's not really sure what's going on and then it happens? Like, that's what it felt like.

And then they slam their stick and accidentally high stick their own teammate in the head. Yeah. Seen that. It looked exactly like that. JVR, like, the celebration wasn't this big thing. It was just like, yeah, I knew it. I knew it.

Release, we score goals. Yeah, big surprise. And then what followed was my favorite game, which is, it's a tie game, late in the third. We're not in the same conference. Let's just pass the puck back and forth. well and it's like we're both tied for first

in the NHL right now because they were at the time why don't we just yeah why don't we just each get a point out of this everybody walks home happy

yeah I'm sure if you were to ask them they would tell you that is not what happened at all but let's come on sure did sort of look like it

it looked like it was protective I think it's just protective hockey in a game that was so incredibly action packed and penalty filled like everyone

was just hoping to not take that call to well I think Jake Gardner did And I was just going to say, he did. Three minutes left, and I'm like, oh my god, no!

And they killed it. And again, just such a... I want to know, you couldn't possibly track this, but what percentage of penalty calls last year would not be penalty calls? Well, Jake Gardner got a couple penalties last night for the exact same thing. And it was that, it's when he gets beat on his weak side, because he's a lefty, right? Yes. So he gets beat, and he flips around, and his stick is about mid-level, and it's basically a way to catch the guy and slow him down a little bit, and you used to be able to do that and kind of tug him and then let go, but now when he does it, he flips around, that stick is mid-level, and it hits him right in the gloves, and the refs are like, yeah. Like a scythe.

It was both the penalties were the exact same call. And there's another guy who the new rules are so strange for Because they're going to hinder him defensively even more But they're going to allow him to score crazy Bobby Orgles Like he did, I think it was in the Jets game Yes Or was it the Rangers game? I don't know He's looked so good through three games, offensively

Yes And that's what I remember, right? Another guy struggling with those calls a little bit Well, you know there's a crackdown when Connor Brown's getting penalties That guy doesn't take penalties But Hyman is really seeming to have trouble with that. And he can't be taking penalties because he's a key penalty killer for the Leafs. But, you know, Babcock loves him.

Sheldon Keefe loved him. Always big in the video sessions. I have faith that he'll learn, but hurry up. I have to say, when he has been on the ice five on five this year, we've seen the Zach Hyman described to us by management. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't understand the complaint. His forechecking is truly amazing.

Best in the league! Well, I don't know about that. No, I know. Babcock said it. I thought it was funny. Well, good. That's great. If that's what Babcock believes, I'm not going to sit here and go, I watched all 30 teams and know definitively. Because I don't.

Fair. But I will say, that's a guy that I've never seen a Leaf player ever forecheck like that and always come up with the puck. The closest comparable I've ever seen who worked that hard was Gary Roberts. And I'm not saying Gary Roberts and Zach Hyman are the same thing But Gary Roberts was like He's like a bulldog You ever seen a bulldog go after a toy

And then just lockjaw on it That's what they do The video for the Rangers game I shoved a puck in my mouth And just pretended to be Zach Hyman and started barking No he's rabid If he had one real thing Holding him back It's that he just doesn't have

He looks slow out there But I think the reason he looks slow Is because his line mates are Matthews and Nylander Oh, are they fast? They're a little bit fast. And he just doesn't have the step to get away from opponents that his line mates do. There's so many times where he cuts to the center of the ice and he has a chance. Again, I go back to the Rangers game and he did end up getting a goal or two.

But he does the same things that Matthews and Nylander do a lot of the time. But because he's one step behind those guys He's got two or three defenders hanging off of him at all times Now that's the big advantage he has That's how he draws calls Zach Hyman also draws a lot of calls And draws people away from Matthews and Nylander Oh, again, I go back to the Rangers game

No one's looking at Nylander Three guys looking at Hyman If Hyman is so not dangerous I have no problem with him being on that line And I think the first few games should be They should put that to bed And the thing is you don't need Matthews and Nylander to have a third guy

You just need Matthews and Nylander They do have a third guy They're so good on their own they'll be fine Just to check Adam Wilde calls Zach Hyman the next Gary Roberts I don't think Zach Hyman is going to score 100 points like Gary Roberts did

Ray Ferraro on the broadcast is like he reminds me of what do you say Pat Verbeek and I was just like yeah like I love when

players compare current players to players like I'm not even old enough to remember I remember Pat Verbeek I remember Pat Verbeek

I used to trade for him in my games he was always like my second or third line center but I don't remember anything about him he was a good scorer

his biggest problem was that he played in Hartford like most players until like Ron Francis Ron Francis had never been traded out of Hartford Ron Francis' biggest

problem would have been that he played in Hartford Did he play in bright green Hartford or navy blue Hartford? I think he played in both. Wow. He was traded, I think. That's a lot of Hartford. Just as they switched, and then he went to the Penguins and won two cups.

Good for him. Yeah, he was a good player. Good player. Yep. Peeler. So, in overtime. There's really only one thing worth mentioning. Well, no, there's a couple things worth mentioning.

So, Steve, you went through in your video, and I don't know if you still have it on your phone. I don't normally encourage you to open your phone during a show. However, do you have, from Rachel Dory from The Athletic, do you have the overtime lineups for the Toronto Maple Leafs? In case I can't find it, I think I remember it, but here we go. It's opening. So I don't remember if another defender got on the ice. Borgman, maybe.

I don't remember, but for the most part, it was just Riley and Gardner running the show, and I thought they looked good. The Leafs forward duos were JVR Bozak, Marner Marleau, Brown Codry, Nylander Matthews. So, hold that for a second. That's great. I question this. I question one thing.

When... What am I even looking at? Yeah, what are you looking at? Oh, just giving him the shift chart. Oh, God. There are lines describing where the players are, you guys. It's very simple. No, no, no.

We don't need that. We don't need that here. Don't distract him. I need him here. I stayed up until frigging 2.30 making the LFR yesterday. We're operating on safe mode here. So here's... I got to drive home after this.

Okay, we got... I got to save brain power. Duncan Keith, I believe it's Duncan Keith, Jonathan Tays, Patrick Kane to start. And at one point, it was Taves, Keith Seabrook. Oh, maybe that was the start? Whatever the start was. So to start was Taves, Keith, Kane. Great.

I'm glad you can read that. Taves, Keith, Kane. Thank you, Jesse. So the shift chart is important. The TKK. The TKK line. Yeah. Why do we go with Caudrey, Brown, and I think it was Gardner.

No, it was Riley. It was Riley. Okay. Yeah, there you go. Great. Why do we go with them? Why isn't Austin Matthews out there at the beginning? When you think about it, he should be because he was there with them all game.

Pretty much. So is there, and if the strategy is let's shut down Kane and Taves, isn't the best way to do that with Austin Matthews? You can't play defense on three on three. I guess your hope as Babcock is, well, we got Kadri and Brown out there. And they're still pretty great. And, yeah, they're great. That was the shutdown line last year.

It's probably going to end up being the shutdown line this year again. Except Marleau instead of Komarov. And then when you throw Matthews out there, you don't even have to worry about those other guys. Right. So you're the home team. You get the matchups you want. So, like, who?

Ah, here's one. Jesse, who was on the ice for the game winner? For both teams? Yes. Gardner, Matthews So we got Gardner, Matthews, Nylander For Chicago Forsling, Duquesne

And Taves Wow, damn I mean, it's 3-on-3 overtime, right? I know But the idea is to win it as quickly as possible You should never ice a bad player If you ice a bad player in 3-on-3 overtime You're either a bad coach or have a bad team

No, I get that, but I'm just wondering I'm just questioning the strategy I'm not saying it's the wrong strategy I'm trying to figure out the strategy. They won. That's not my question. It's not the result. I get it.

What's the strategy? Because they went through the Rolodex a few times. It was Matthews' second time on the ice by the time he scored. Why not put Matthews up against McDavid? And they put Kadri up there. But that's different because it's not during overtime. That was during overtime. That's how Kadri ended up getting the goal.

Oh, really? Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay, sorry. It was like last November. Again, things you remember. I know. I'm sorry. Yeah, I pushed out most basic knowledge.

For that. Yeah. If I ever have to change a tire again, I don't know. We'll see how it goes. But I will be able to tell the person that I eventually have to call to rescue me, hey, remember that Kadri McDavid? So their third line combination was Marlo Zaitsev, Marner. I liked that.

I actually enjoyed that. You were good with that one? Yeah, I enjoyed it. They were fast. I understand the reasoning behind that. They frustrated me a bit because they didn't pull the trigger But they had the puck the whole time I also think it was kind of smart

On Mike Babcock's part because I believe they changed They did that on the fly So I don't think they had to take a face off He's been really subtly Every now and then Just tinkering with the lines Like didn't I see It was like Brown

Was it Brown, Bozak, Marleau Something like that Every now and then He just throws out a line where I go, is this a weird line change or is that the line he's thrown out? And I like the face-off thing that he's doing where you take the face-off on your strong side. So Nylander will take face-offs, which is good for him. It's good for his development. Komarov will take face-offs.

I think that's kind of cool. I don't think JVR and Bozak are switching off and Marner, I don't think so. But you can do it. If you're Nylander, it's a contract here. If you start doing too good in the face-off circle, just start blowing them. Just start losing faceoffs on purpose Why? Because I never want to be taken off of Matthews' line ever

I'm not going to be a center in this league Stop Coach, I've decided that defense is silly And for stupid people, I don't want to do it Well yeah, it's definitely something that he's going to enjoy This year But I think keep him on that line And then get your contract

And then play wherever the heck you want Doesn't matter Money's guaranteed I'm not actually suggesting Steve, are you suggesting? No So then the Leafs Obviously after going through

Those lines and looking very strong It looked like they could have ended it several different times So could Chicago Austin Matthews Just an all world release All world You can't stop it, sorry Sorry, like this was the first game

Where I was like okay That's a different monster Like that is Last year it was a lot of I think line chemistry They look good They didn't always look overwhelming You know what I mean

You can look good but not completely overwhelming You can be an all-star and an Olympian But not necessarily a top 100 player all the time Matthews just looks like a phenom Like that's a Is that a top 10 player in the league I mean we're three games in So in the first three games

Sure But I mean he has to continue that Of course But do I think he's got the skill to do it for sure for sure I just I mean I want to temper expectations

you know I know we're Homer-ish anyway in our love for the Leafs but I think it's important that we you know it's gotta be

he's gotta earn the top 10 in the league right he's gotta earn it Jesse I go the complete opposite I don't think you should temper expectations at all

I believe they're gonna win the Stanley Cup and Austin Matthews is the best player in the league there you go Edmonton how many

so does Pittsburgh how many players scored 40 goals last year that's a good question And how many, Ovechkin? No. I don't know. Can we look that up?

I think it was, or maybe it was four. Crosby, Marchand, Kucherov, Matthews. Did Marchand get to 40? I think he did. Because he got suspended the last couple games. I wasn't sure if he did. All right, so let me, while Jesse's looking that up, you got to hear, what is it?

So last year's goals leaders, it went Sidney Crosby, Austin Matthews, Kucherov. And those are the three that scored over 40 44-40-40 And important to know that Matthews was first In 5-on-5 scoring He had 32 5-on-5 goals Wow

I think it's not a stretch to say he's a top 10 player I don't think it is either but I'm just trying to be Okay without debate Let me just like if you guys go that way I'm going this way just to be like okay Everybody let's just you know chill the hype train A little bit Fine top 10 in the league with some debate

Top 20 with none None. No. No debate. No debate. It's amazing. The draft lottery, man. What a time. It's the best. Oh, it's just the best. So let's talk about the fact that Austin Matthews is a player that I don't think this city has ever seen before. And if it has been, it hasn't been in my lifetime. And I'll tell you why. There are players, and if you're a Chicago Blackhawks fan, if you're a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, you know exactly what this is. Detroit, not recently, but when Zetterberg and Datsouk were at their peak, you know what it's like to have a player that expects to score the big goals. I think the first glimpse we got of it was when Detroit tied it up in the New Year's Day games, in the Centennial Classic, Austin Matthews comes on and scores. And he leads the team in scoring last year,

and then he leads their team in scoring in the playoffs. And, you know, there are great players that lead teams in scoring all the time. But then there are players who show up when literally everything is on the line. You see it in every single sport. Tom Brady's amazing. LeBron James is another guy. Michael Jordan was the king. Are you going to drop the C-bomb, Adam?

No. I just wanted to say. Clutch? Clutch. Oh, different C-word. As I was saying it, I'm like, poor choice of words. Poor choice. Could have gone elsewhere.

I don't think we've ever had At least in my lifetime A homegrown talent Because I think Doug Gilmore was like this for a few years I think Matt Sundin was like this for a few years A homegrown Drafted talent I know he grew up in Arizona I get it

Yeah no drafted That was Not only a dominant player Not just an elite player But a guy that literally breaks games This is a guy that wins games and wants to be out there winning games and can score those big goals. And that was always the problem with the Leafs in the past.

They had one guy who could do that, and then the rest of them, he was kind of hauling them around. Whereas I think Matthews can be super elite because he doesn't have to haul the rest of the team. The rest of the team's really good. Did Vince Carter ever win an MVP? No. No, he didn't.

He won Rookie of the Year. He should have won MVP a couple years. So you're not kidding. This city, it's weird. We have championships. Leafs won a bunch. Blue Jays won back-to-back, obviously. I don't think a Leaf has ever won the Hart Trophy.

I don't think so either. If Vince Carter never won MVP, then that means they never won MVP. I know Josh Donaldson won American League MVP, but they got him in a trade. Gilmore won a Selkie. He won a Selkie. It was the runner-up to the MVP, which they had to give to Gretzky that year. But it's not the Hart. Right.

And Curtis Joseph almost won a Vezina once. It's not the Hart. Right. It's not the Hart. It's This guy has a chance But damn it He plays in the same league

As McDavid And Crosby And Ovechkin And Crosby and Ovechkin Yeah but those guys Like Those guys are gonna be Like

Well On the On the way down Like when Matthews Is like 25 Yep Yep Just hitting his prime

But There's McDavid Toronto's Last Heart Trophy winner Was Ted Kennedy Wow In 1954

Or 55 Oh Teeter Kennedy Wow And then before that, their only other one was Babe Pratt in 43-44. So the Leafs have not had a post-NOM MVP. No, that's crazy. Like a post-moon landing or cup. But he really does have a chance to be something we've literally never seen before in the city.

If you were around, if you were alive, the last time the Leafs won the Hart Trophy, you're in your mid-60s now. What year was it? 54? 54, yeah. Yeah, like my dad wasn't born. That's crazy. Yeah, so I just saw that. I saw that release.

I saw everybody, like, you know, the GIFs afterwards are amazing. Thank God for Twitter. It's the best for that. And it's just, there's something about that guy. There's just something about him where it's not just the skill. It's not just the drive. It's not just the personality There is something about him

You know what he is? That's different You know what he is? And it's funny We're always used to looking at it From the Leafs perspective Because the Leafs are always the team that On the outside looking in

Yeah And has to prove themselves And Like we're We're kind of We're a city like that You know Like the Jays were like the favorite

A couple years ago Against the Rangers But somehow they fall down Two games to none And they're Claw their way back It's a team that overcomes. We remember the, you know, still arguably the Raptors' biggest win ever

was the expansion win over the Chicago Bulls. Like, forget all the playoff wins. They beat them in one game in the regular season, and we lost our minds. Exactly. We're the perennial underdog for some reason. You know, richest team in the league, somehow the underdog. But Matthews, what he is, he's a player that other teams have to think about. He, for the first time in a long time

Is the Leafs' true boogeyman You know when he's on the ice And you're crapping yourself when he's on the ice Because when he's on the ice You're in shit You're in deep, deep shit When Austin Matthews hits the ice Phil Kessel hits the ice

Yeah, he's a problem Could be a problem for you He's a problem Unless he's on a cold streak Look out for him, he can score Dion Phaneuf hits the ice Got a booming shot Might lay a big hit

Matt Sundin hits the ice Very capable player Leafs best player Yeah of course You better watch him Austin Matthews Is the boogeyman You're afraid

You're definitely afraid I like that The boogeyman Everyone should just put on A Matthews jersey for Halloween There you go There's your costume Should I bloody it up

Should I be a dead hockey player Like Steve was In half of his school years I think it needs to be A sexy Austin Matthews costume Every Halloween costume Is a sexy costume I saw a tweet today that just said

There are two genders And it was a Rick Grimes costume And then it was a girl dressed the exact same way And it said sassy Rick Grimes Why Why Sassy Austin Matthews The best are the it costumes

You know what Sexy Pennywise Is there a sexy Pennywise Can we have a This is really off the cuff And I'm just throwing this At you guys But wouldn't it be amazing

If we had a sassy Austin Matthews Halloween contest Where you have to do No You know how wrong That would go Well Mackley

What can we give the winner I don't know If we got a prize We could do it Like we have to compete In it too That's the thing Absolutely not

Come on Full blown Halloween's on weekday Is it on a Tuesday Or Thursday Oh it would be so great Even if you just You don't have to wear it

To a party Just do a picture And then And it's something hilarious Yeah Like how would you do Sassy Austin Matthews Oh it is a Tuesday

It's a Okay we're coming in In Sassy Austin Matthews Absolutely not Absolutely not I think we have to do this Caprice My fiance has a

I'm being Sassy Steve Dangle Right now I'm not I'm not doing it Caprice has a Austin Matthews jersey Cause of course And so I'm gonna have to

Maybe I'll try to squeeze Into that one that day I have a 34 jersey It's James Reimer So I'm not I'm not changing it Maybe I'll go as a transformer with tape?

Absolutely not. How dare you? How dare you? You should cover it up. Ironically, if I were to change the nameplate, it would cost $60.

Ah. I don't have 60 bucks. You already know what I spent on it. You'd be able to upgrade it to the best 34 of all time and leave history. No.

Also, he never wore that jersey so it wouldn't work. We're talking, you know what, I'm being insulting. Austin Matthews is the first boogeyman

since James Schreiber. Oh, of course. Yeah. Very friendly boogeyman. He's like Casper, the friendly ghost. Before we get into the rest of the league

And that sort of thing I do have a question And I have this Random overtime thought And I wanted you guys I wanted your opinion Okay I like random

Random overtime thought Wild thoughts Wild thoughts Wild Yeah I get you It's a DJ Khaled Rihanna song Yeah

It's popular It's cool It's popular Can I thank you For not co-opting Wild thoughts And turning it into Like a meme about yourself

That would be terrible You are very strong For not doing that You'd have to kick my ass Like you'd have to Definitely Right Like you'd have to kick my ass

Yeah There's no way You can't let your friend do that There needs to be Like punishment for that Come on I'm just picturing Jesse Kicking your ass

And you being like Thanks for having my back Yeah This is my dude right here Bam bam bam Um No Random thought about overtime

So cause shootouts Shootouts suck right We're going into overtime And I'm like God damn If we have to go to this Fucking shootout Uh

Sorry for swearing again But seriously If we have to go to A fucking shootout I'm gonna be so mad I'm gonna be so mad because the Leafs always did terrible in the shootout last year. I'm like, there's no way we should lose this game.

It makes no sense. Austin Matthews saved us. So, what about this for an overtime thought? Four on four, overtime for X amount of minutes. Doesn't matter, maybe seven minutes, maybe more than five. And then you do three on three for another same amount of time. And if it's still tied at the end, nobody gets any points. Wow!

Oh, boy. So both teams lose then? Yeah. So you ratchet up So you ratchet You imagine the excitement In that second overtime period Three on three

First off There's no way anybody ties No way Oh my god But can you imagine You come to the end of the game And you walk away Like you are fighting

That If you want to get players motivated That'll get them fired up We need A new Like we should start doing Like top ten lists On our YouTube channel

And Let's add this one to Worst ideas ever concocted That's why That's a bad idea Think about that Think about the No but

So they both lose Don't tie You lose 7-2 And you're the Leafs and Blackhawks It's 3-3 same amount of points Don't tie I mean that's one way to guarantee goals I guess

Well okay let's edit your plan To 3 on 3 the entire time Both teams get One point And we go to a three point system God that's lame The correct answer is Leave it the way it is

We play the game until someone scores at 3-on-3, and we go to wins and losses. Yes. Like a normal sport. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I agree, but... I don't hate that. The thing is that the NHL is somehow worried that... Like, I don't know...

This loss was better than that. What? No, losses are losses. Yeah, but you didn't lose, I mean, in the regulation times. You know what? So it's a better loss. That's a pretty good loss. That's a pretty good loss.

I'm just saying, if there was... You can have your allowance if you clean your room. Oh, here, I made my bed. If there was a perspective, if there was a perspective... The perspective was there was no points on the... Like, if you tie and there's no points, you're going to score. Like, it is going to happen. And it's going to suck for teams when they don't.

So to me, it ratchets up the intensity, the prospect of not gaining anything out of this game. I worked this hard for over 60 minutes and I'm not going to get anything? Oh, hell no. You're so close. Turns it into a playoff. You're so close to the perfect idea, which is just three on three the whole time. Let's start there and then we'll worry about the points later.

Three on three the whole time, no points. Tell me that doesn't feel playoff. It's an interesting idea. It is an interesting idea. And I don't know. What's closer to that? What we currently have or just wins and losses? I think wins and losses is closer to Adam's idea.

It seems like if we were going to go to wins and losses, we would have already. So I'm with Jesse. I agree. It should be wins and losses. However, since we're not there, and they want to try every other thing before we go to wins and losses, that to me seems like a cool thing to try. Get rid of the shootout. Just quit picking at it.

Just quit freaking picking at it. You're the one who makes the shootout and complains about it every time. I know. Oh, quit picking at it. Come on. I just want to know, I want to know, as an avid hockey fan, what hockey is. Like, I just want to know, because every year it's different. The answer is different.

Every single year. It's growing, Steve. It's evolving. Steve, it's growing. Madden. Okay. And they just updated scoring? Upscoring?

Madden? I don't know. Like, if you watch five hockey games a year, how the hell do you know what's going on? I mean, okay, hold on, hold on. You say they've upscored. So far. Well, maybe they have league-wide, but the Montreal Canadiens have scored four goals in three games this year.

Really? And they're taking on Corey Crawford. Well, and I guess this might sound silly by tomorrow morning. So in my video, I criticized Joel Quinville a little bit because, okay, the Blackhawks have back-to-back games. First one's against the Leafs, second one's against the Habs. The obvious choice is to start Corey Crawford against the Leafs, but I understand why he did it against the Habs.

Well, so he did it against the Habs because Corey Crawford is from Montreal. Also, career, Corey Crawford stopped something like 95% of the shots he's faced against the Montreal Canadiens. So he plays really good. And they're also a team with limited firepower. Let's just be honest. I mean, they are. And no matter how much they end up scoring this year, you can't tell me that you look at the Montreal Canadiens beyond the first three guys that come up. You know, Pacioretty, Drouin, Galchenyuk.

And you're not even really sure if Galich is going to be that guy because you're not sure if they're going to put him in a position to succeed. Beyond that, who's going to score the big goals for this team? And if Crawford picks up the win, you get three points out of four. It's more of a guarantee of a win, I think, is what he went with. I think he went with probability. Or, you know, you want the better goaltender on the night where your team's more tired. Yeah, could be.

I don't know. Yeah, I'm not going to criticize him for it. You know what? It was interesting. They were so close to winning the game And then, holy Coach Q, genius Jack Adams

There's a couple things that have happened in Chicago this year I think that have been interesting And Blackhawks fans know all about this They reassembled the team from three years ago? Yes, and also When it looked like Chalmerson was going to get traded Apparently Joel Quinville stormed out of the offices And like in front of the press and everything

And like left in a car, left in an Uber or whatever I think that happened while we were recording. Yeah, and they were in the trade, in the Connor Murphy-Nicholas Homerson trade, right at that moment. And then after the game today, he says, well, they're a young, exciting team to watch. It gives us something to think about. That was, to me, sounded like shot over the bow at management.

Now, management has given you, Coach Q, some pretty sweet teams to work with. Not that you're any slouch of a coach because you're amazing. However, because he's a guy that wants to win every year, I understand the intensity. Everyone wants to win every year. So do you think, I mean, the Blackhawks haven't been bad. They've been pretty good the first three games. Yeah, absolutely. Do you think that was a shot at management or do you think it was just motivation for the players?

Well, I mean, the Blackhawks and Coach Q have had to do some thinking about what the hell they are. You know, just like the Capitals did this past summer, you know, really good teams with a core that's been in place forever, with a core that's locked in contractually, who they got to decide how they're going to rebuild this thing because you can't keep the whole thing together. So, you know, if the Blackhawks go young, fast, and skilled, what would be wrong with that exactly? You know who was one of their more noticeable players last night? Alex Dobrynkat. I thought he looked great. That's an NHL player who gets crushed every now and then. Yes.

And you should maybe protect him. But he's a heck of a player. I think the most interesting thing about that hit was nothing happened. Yeah, it was a clean hit. So what? It's a rookie getting creamed. By another rookie. Yeah, but that usually brings about a kerfuffle, if you will.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Sorry, I didn't know you were going that way. Who on the Hawks is that guy, though? Well, that's what I'm saying. It's one of those things. We always argue against Matt Martin, and then when stuff happens, I'm like, well, we do have Matt Martin. Go gadget Matt Martin. Go punch someone.

If someone did that to Mitch Marner, Matt Martin's going to have something to say about that. Exactly. Didn't Matt Martin beat out an icing last night, too? Did I make that up? No. Someone did beat out an icing last night. And they still called it back. Martin almost did.

No, what happened was they blew it dead for icing. There was a young Blackhawks player. I don't remember who it was And Martin like protected him Yes Forsling I think it was good stuff Forsling

Cause they were going And then he hugged him I thought that was nice I didn't hate that No I thought that was cool It was very kind of him Anyways It was very kind

Just one of the good guys Of the league You know the enforcers They always are The good guys And the good guys And hockey players Are good guys

Our friend Justin Fisher Who I encourage you to follow Had a hilarious tweet On Saturday night Cause he's just He's a total shithead right Like that's his whole His whole thing

If you like hockey shitheads Justin's the guy to follow And he tweeted He really should change his He tweeted that He's like that really was An A plus dump in By Matt Martin

Like just Just totally Totally beat an ass No the best thing he did So Oh this is my favorite Yeah months ago He tweeted

I think we can start Comparing Patrick Laine To Alex Ovechkin For example Zero cups So he tweeted that Months ago So the Leafs are just

Kicking the shit Out of the Jets It's like 6-0 Whatever Justin paid like $30 to promote that tweet to Jets fans and in Manitoba. What a dickhead. He paid money to troll. He's just such a dickhead.

He hasn't always been this way. No, he was a nice young lad. He was a nice man. And we played hockey together and we were defense partners and he was great. He was a tough SOB to play against But we would be on like our selects team or whatever And he and I would be defense Justin Fisher is the other

He just recently has discovered this inner WWE where he just throws people He's the only guy I've ever seen Face wash someone in a game of Road hockey With gloves in him And his hands stink Let me just throw that out there

He actually gave me those gloves because he knew I didn't have any That's too bad, sorry for you Smelly hand-me-down. I didn't use them very much. Oh, no, no. On account of Smelly, and also I'm not an athlete. Okay, so Rangers, we had a couple Rangers fans reach out. And they're like, can you please roast the Rangers?

We're so mad at the Rangers. And they, actually one fan, and I think this was just heat of the moment. They're like, and we have a stupid coach. I'm like, ooh, you got a great coach. Allie and Vino, and Lindy Ruff. Yeah. I was watching the game with someone, and they're like, is that, sorry, is that Lindy Ruff? He's their defense coach, isn't he?

I don't know. It doesn't matter. He's one of their coaches. That's crazy. Now, I get being mad that the Rangers lost to the Leafs. I get it. You know, Henrik Lundqvist had a Henrik Lundqvist kind of low confidence. He has moments of low confidence, which is crazy because he's so good.

Jesse, I don't know how you can look this up, but can you look up Lundqvist's career save percentage against the Leafs? Or just maybe go through game logs and look at his last few games against the Leafs? definitely do that spend the next 20 minutes doing it he's been brutal sorry

no I'm sure there's a database you know what he just looked at friggin like that fax machine shift chart thing and understood it

yeah no I know listen if anybody can do it it's our Jesse but but I'm just kidding but yeah

Lundqvist had a bad game he looked like he was having a bad game like Tuka Rask is another guy that hard on his sleeve goalie where he's mad

you know he's mad when he's frustrated you know he's frustrated and it just seemed like that was just some nights you have that right go to the locker room

Henrik Lundqvist His career Versus Toronto Maple Leafs He's 15 9 and 5 His save percentage Is 899 Wow

Wow There you go Are you serious That's sort of surprising Yeah Well okay So his record is very good But those are terrible numbers

And he's been playing Against the Leafs Since 2005 In 286 GA If you've been playing For any team Stupid stat If you've been playing

For any team Since 2005 And you have a Losing record Against the Leafs What's wrong with you? You're right. He's not even a 900 goalie against the Leafs.

That's weird. I got to think a lot of that is from the past three years because even when the Leafs were bad, he really struggled. Really struggled. I remember going back to Randy Carlisle, I would say. I feel like Lundqvist gets pulled, I want to say, three out of the last five or six times he's played the Leafs. He's played the Leafs? Really?

That's his worst save percentage for any team except the Minnesota Wild where he's an 875 in 11 games. And, I mean, he plays them, what, once or twice a year? Like, the Leafs doesn't make any sense. That's weird. That's crazy. That is a weird stat. You should forward that to the Sportsnet Stats Department.

That might be something to look into. That is something that they would, that is a crazy stat. I have an idea for the Sportsnet Stats Department that may be coming out in the next week or two. So you can't mention anything about it? No, I'm just, it's called a tease, Adam Wylde. In the business, we call it a tease. Oh. You might not have heard of it.

I don't think Rangers fans should be that frustrated. I mean, you just beat Montreal, too. But you are the New York Rangers. You have Henrik Lundqvist. I'm sorry you also have Andre Pavlik. Yeah, that you should be frustrated about. But this is a team that's still good. You went from having Lundqvist and Talbot to...

And then Ranta. And then Ranta, which was good. And then E. Yeah. I got to tell you, I don't think this team is all that bad, and they were very, very good last year. I mean, they made it to the playoffs in the Metropolitan Division. Well, okay, so we've been talking about cup favorites recently,

and I don't think I've ever once mentioned the Rangers, so I've actually been getting angry tweets from Rangers fans in that regard. No, the more I look at them, they're fantastic. That's a really good team. A little bit similar to Columbus in that they're lacking true star power. But they do it by committee Like Nash isn't that guy anymore But they do it by committee

Like that's a great Chris Kreider Like You know I look at the Jets Well I I looked at the Blackhawks Actually

And I go They don't scare me Like in a In a playoff Seven game series Like I think the Leafs Can hang with them I think the Leafs

Can hang with anybody These days But I just I look at Chris Kreider And I go Ugh Seven games of that No thanks

They're big It's interesting The NHL is a copycat league And I think the trend is Small, speedy and skilled The Rangers have those guys But one thing they had That the Leafs had no answer for

Was their size They bullied the Leafs in front of their own net And Chris Kreider was at the forefront of that Shattenkirk Who was the other defenseman they sent? Brendan Smith Who they re-signed after getting him in a trade And I think that was a quick pick.

That was a good pick-up. They lost Dan Girardi. Yeah. Like, that's a very good team. I wouldn't be shocked to see them win these. You mean first pairing Lightning defenseman Dan Girardi? That's not going to last. It's happened.

He has not looked good, and unsurprisingly, you know who's actually looked good and no one has really talked about it? The Caps. They're not that much worse. They're really not. They're getting back to the roots, which is making Ovechkin do everything. Yeah. I feel like he's that kind of guy.

He needs to. They made a big deal of it last year in the playoffs, and I get why. They had Shattenkirk. They had Williams. They didn't think they were going to re-sign him or those two or Oshie. I understand why people think, oh, wow, when you lose that much talent, you can't be good. We cannot forget that the rest of the team is pretty good, too. I mean, they still have a great cast of people there that are a core that have been doing this for years.

And they know how to win, at least in the regular season. And they got depth scoring from Nathan Walker. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, but I mean, I think they've also drafted well, and I think Washington's going to be fine. They're going to be fine. Okay, so you guys both heard about the Peter Forsberg comments with Matt Duchesne. If you haven't heard the quote directly, I think you've got to remember that this might have been taken not out of context. This might be a direct quote.

However, you've got to keep in mind what kind of conversation was being had and what tone. I'm starting to hate more and more tweeted quotes. Yeah. I really am starting to hate that. Because this sounds really harsh, but I don't think it is. So here's the thing. Obviously, Matt Duchesne grew up idolizing Peter Forsberg. And Peter Forsberg said this.

If I were playing with a player that I know doesn't even want to be on the team, it's not like he's going to throw himself on the ice and block shots with his head. It is mostly difficult to have a player like that on the team, although he is skillful and is doing his best. I would rather play with someone that wants to be there. I would put him on the bench and trade him. And here's the thing. He said he doubted that he should be allowed to play with Colorado.

And he said that, you know, Duchesne's outward frustration takes energy away from the rest of the team. That all might be true. And it's definitely true. There's nothing wrong with what he's saying. Nothing wrong there. Nothing wrong with that logic. Who did he say this to?

Oh, it was somebody in the Denver Post. It was Expressen, which is... Oh, it was in a Swedish paper Yeah, Robin Lindgren was the reporter And it was reprinted in the Denver Post Because of course And I wonder about these quotes Because first off, they're in a different language

Then translated to English It's amazing how much gets lost Yeah, Russian to English Sounds very harsh Well, like, Andrei Osichenko Who I used to do KHL highlights with He told me about the subtleties And it was interesting

he would put uh subtitles on our videos and he would like tell me he's like can you say it differently because like there isn't quite a word for that or like this that joke is i understand why it's funny in english it's not funny in russian here's what i don't think there's a difference in russian language and anyone who speaks it please correct me there's not a difference between this and that right it's just yeah yeah so like andre would always he would say this When it should have been that and that When it should have been this Because there's no difference in the language

And we're not comparing Swedish to Russian Because we know they're completely different languages But the same idea applies I understand Russian better Yeah Not even that I understand Russian I understand how Russian works

A little bit better than Swedish But the point is Stuff gets lost in translation And let's not pretend that Scandinavian languages Are easy to conquer Scandinavian like the Netherlands Not Scandinavian Oh my god

Some girl was roasting me It was really good Not even Yeah Oh, I was just listening to your podcast on my bike ride to work in the winter. In Scandinavia. So, I'm an idiot. So, back to Forsberg's comments.

I don't disagree with anything that he said. And Matt Duchesne came out and said, listen, I don't think that was personal. They actually have a relationship. They know each other, obviously. What if Duchesne breaks his leg? Colorado can't do anything with him. So, that's what I think. Is he wrong?

No, not at all. He's right. The only thing is, what's Colorado's record right now? Two and one. Jesus, they're a winning team. They had a great game against Boston. And Duchesne played well. Well, right now they're a winning team.

Yeah. I mean, like, it's interesting. These quotes are coming out. You know, if we're in December and Colorado is, I don't know, 15-7, something like that. Are we revisiting the trade request? Nothing has really changed Other than their winning But I don't think that

Was it Matt Duchesne that wanted to be traded Or was it Colorado that said no we want you out Yeah yeah I think it was mutual I think it's mutual but Matt Duchesne is sick of this shit Well I'm sure but I think Colorado I don't think he wanted out Didn't he find out that they were trying to trade him anyway

And that's why he said trade me then I don't know how it started All I know is where it is they both are done they're both through this relationship it will be a mutual divorce and i think the problem that's holding up the trade here is that i don't think i i if you look at and i might get in trouble for this but if you look at how colorado has been run recently the results are not just not there they're getting worse i don't think that that friend office and with all respect to joe sakic and all the things he's accomplished i don't think it's the

most it's the best run at the moment and i think that they're maybe misguide misgaging the or sorry they're maybe putting too high of a price on a guy like matt duchesne it was brought up and has been brought up recently that matt duchesne might not even be he's a great player but is he the elite player that they're asking big big things for he's a team canada player team canada he's an interesting guy because he's you know what he's on team canada but he's a fringe team canada player He's a fringe all-world player. Does that make sense? But does that even count now?

Like the World Cup accolades? The point that was made, and I don't know that this is the correct point, but I thought it was an interesting point, was that on Team Canada, Matt Duchesne was a supplementary player. The plugger. Yeah, he was part of it. Yes. And when Colorado was really good.

Forced into a different role like Rick Nash in Vancouver. Despite the fact that Colorado was really good a couple years ago, we all know that their PDO was through the roof and that they were going to come crashing down to earth and everybody said, Colorado is the reason that advanced stats don't exist. Steve Simmons came on this show and said that. In 2013.

In 2013. That did not age well. Because look at their season since. We had Steve on two years too early. Yeah, really. But I wonder if, and they said Matt Duchesne in that time Was great

But was Matt Duchesne Ever the focal point guy Was he ever the guy That was really The force behind The team Is he Is he a game breaker

An elite Is he a first line center I think he's a Good first line center This is the thing Like is he Is he a first line center I think he's an adequate one

Yeah Is he a good one Might even be a good one Is he a great one I don't know. And if he's not, then what do you have around him that can help him? You can have Matt Duchesne or John Tavares. You're going to take John Tavares all day.

You know what I mean? That's what I mean by great. I don't know what they're asking, though, also. But if you look at a team like Nashville and how it was built, if you plug in Duchesne at first line center, he'd look great in Nashville. That team excels. That's a great comparison, Jesse, because Ryan Johansson.

Really? He's an expensive first-line center. But heading into last season, I would not call him a great first-line center. He's becoming one for sure. And there was always the potential there. Yeah, and boy, could they have used him in the Stanley Cup final. No, that's a good comparison. That's a very good one.

And supposedly, they're one of the teams knocking on the door. Well, wouldn't you be? I think he's perfect. Johansson and Duchesne is your first two centers on a team like that? You would have Johansson, Duchesne, Bonino. And then I think Sissons Colton Sissons was great in the playoffs last year Had a hat-trick

Yeah, so I I don't know, it just seems like I don't think Peter Forsberg is wrong But I also think that it's not Matt Duchesne's fault that he can't get traded I think it's It's not that Even if Matt Duchesne had a

Down year last year His resume is good enough that you know Matt Duchesne played for Team Freakin' Canada He's good for 50 points In a bad year Good for 60 to 70 In a good one So that

You know that about Matt Duchesne So the price is that price Yeah I think maybe They've priced it too high And why How long As a manager

Can you Responsibly Have a distraction like that When the team is already Probably going to be bad It's a distraction If they're Losing

They're winning Well they've won Two out of three They've won 66% of their games. When was the last time Colorado won two out of three? Good point. Not last year. You know, this is a great start to the season for them.

This is great news. They're healthy, winning games. What else do you want? Well, maybe you're right. And maybe Joe Sackick and Jared Bednar and all those guys over there are able to come to an agreement with Matt Duchesne, and the trade never ends up happening. Maybe they start 15-7, and everybody's happy again,

and the team starts winning and that's all good. This is that weird time of year where trades are kind of weird to make because teams are figuring out what they are. Right. You know, you've got to spend a king's ransom to get Duchesne. Is it going to be worth it? And they're not the only team in that situation. I was getting into a Twitter.

Well, I was being a jerk, but some people were getting into a Twitter argument over Chris Tanev and the Canucks thinking that he's worth like a first and a prospect or something like that. Duchesne is extremely high Vegas still has 46 players Or whatever the hell

We need to talk about them next Oh they're ridiculous I don't understand them at all And they're 2-0 Well it's weird Yeah they are 2-0 And they play I believe Their first home game tonight

At 10 o'clock Which would be kind of cool No it's going to be even later I think puck drop will be 11 They said on the radio Oh wow Close to 11 Eastern And the ads on the boards

Have been replaced With Vegas strong Oh that's cool I love that But But their top line center, the guy who was supposed to be, is in the minors. Shipachop, we're talking about. Yeah, Ivis Kalnins was tweeting that he's pissed off and he is looking for a way back into the KHL.

I think it was Darren Dreger came out and said that is not the case. Or at least he's led to believe that is not the case. What is Vegas doing? Well, and I've been asking that for a while. Well, like, George McPhee, by selecting all those defensemen, has driven down the price of each of those defensemen. It's a market. It's basic economics.

If you do too much of something, then the price goes down. Look at what the Leafs paid for Calvin Pickard. Have we even talked about that on this show? No. We talked about how the Leafs should pick him up. Oh, yeah. But we haven't talked about that trade. You're right.

Like, that's a... That's a pittance. That is... Like, even if it doesn't work out for the Leafs, That is a nothing experiment price. Why didn't you get him on Weavers? Yeah. Like, what are the odds?

Why did you get him on Weavers? Why did we have to give up to buy a slimmer? Well, Adam, let me explain. So, what is that? What is that? Freaking Milton? I don't know. I just kind of...

No, I don't know. I'm sure it's something that I'm ripping off. I have no idea what it is. I would really like my Kelvin Pickard back. Oh, yes. Yeah, I guess it is. I just want my backup goalie. My goalie stapler.

We got Malcolm Thuban, but I would also like my Pickard. I Like just what are the odds What are the sheer odds Tobias Lindbergh And whatever that Six round pick Ends up being

Has a better NHL career Than Calvin Pickard Like it's nothing And I understand Like it It's from Vegas' perspective All you're doing Is building up picks

And prospects But You just gave up A 25 year old Goalie With a pretty decent Track record And your starting goalie

Is coming to the end Of his deal This is Marc-Andre Fleury's Last contract year You didn't have to re-sign there No Pretty sure Jesse can you look that up

Wow No I don't think that And James Neal's up I think he's got two left You sure I think he has two Oh dude A lot of Vegas' players are up

Either at the end of this year Or next Okay fine I want to know what they look like In three years Oh nothing like this Marc-Andre Fleury's contract Ends in 2019

Ah Okay so two years left No but you're right though That's Who's taking over At his age Yeah you need to be In the

And then what phase so anyway they they do this they do this move ship a chops in the minors he's not happy about it but apparently he understands hey sorry just quick thing do you call vegas a rebuild or a build it's a build it's just a build yeah it's a build there's nothing to re but they've the reason they haven't been able to move these defensemen is because everybody knows that they have to move these defensemen yeah i want a first cool well you're the team that shafted so that's the point That's the point. The second that George McPhee started picking players, all of that power that he had, gone.

And the next time there's an expansion team, they're going to learn a lot from what Vegas is doing right now. Because it seems like a great idea in theory. Grab all these defensemen because that's what everybody in the NHL wants. However, if you're unable to make a deal, what's the point in having them? Yeah, you know, we sort of talked about this a few months ago. We gave Vegas the benefit of the doubt. Like we were like alright Well we don't

Like surely they're going to trade all these guys And now that we're here And this situation seems to be happening In front of our eyes Yeah no I think It's about time we ask what the hell is going on And signing guys like Derek Englund Like why I know he lives in Vegas but who cares

Like what's the What is the point you didn't have to pick him Signing Derek Englund would have made a boatload of sense Sure they picked him Why He's a free agent Like, why pick him? Wait till July 1st. What, because the Flames are going to owe you one day?

There's going to be 40 teams, 40 NHL teams, lining up to sign Derek Englund. By the way, the joke is there's only 31. And probably most of them wouldn't be jumping on that one. He is only one of two right-handed defensemen on their team. Oh, well, I'm sure they matter. That matters to them. You managed to pick that many guys. And it's not just Shipachov, either. Like one of their better players is in the minors

Not named Vadim Chepichov and it's Shea Theodore Because they can Because they got the deals that they can We would be making a way bigger deal out of this If well There's still the fanfare heading into their home opener And also if they weren't 2-0 If they got their ass kicked by the Stars

And I think it was the Coyotes they beat as well If they Get their ass kicked by both those teams We're probably going What is Vegas doing But instead, it's the heartwarming story. And you know what? I think we're going to say, what the heck are they doing for the next few years?

And then they're going to be a good team. I mean, I don't think anybody denies that Vegas will eventually be a good team. They're going to have the picks to do it. Yeah, I think a lot of people praise their draft. They had a good draft. They're, you know, building up the picks. They're doing what they should be doing. They have 28 picks over the next three drafts, when most teams who kept all their picks only have 21.

So they have four drafts in the next three. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to look at it. I didn't even think of it that way. In the first two rounds over the next three drafts, they have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, I believe. Wow. Off the top of my head.

For the Leafs, quickly, Calvin Pickard, what do you think? Nailed it. So they picked him up. A lot of people said, why didn't they sign him on waivers? Well, it makes sense not to because if you leave him— They were able to send him down. They were able to send him down. That's right.

I cut you off. You were explaining it. He clears waivers. You can send him down to the AHL. He therefore is more valuable Then you give your sixth And Tobias Lindbergh And for everybody going

But they gave up a sixth It's okay It's okay It's gonna be okay Now Calvin Pickard What do you think? Oh great

Great great pickup Um And it's amazing The Ha The feeling of ha I had Because McElhaney

I just don't trust Um They went back to back Well not back to back But I mean McElhaney could have played In the first three You would think

You would think Um Maybe in the first I mean, I just, I, it's weird. I think, what, like, why did the Leafs sign him to two years? I think to keep the price down. What? I think the market dried up.

You cursed McElhaney! Well, they were in on Condon and a few other guys, and I think the market dried up. And I think they were like, okay, well, we got to do this. And they, he's a, it's a variable contract. Yeah. So if they were to bury McElhaney, which I suspect they will at some point in the next two years, it will be a cap hit of zero dollars and

zero cents. But all of a sudden, this situation that would definitely be a situation if Frederick Anderson got hurt, I'm cool with it. I'm not as happy with Pickard being the starter as I am with Anderson. But that's a pretty good starter to have

at a good point in his career. Do you think they let him... It's probably McElhinney's job to lose, so they're going to play him a couple games, see how he does. Yep, just like with Enroth. And there's no reason to throw Calvin Pickard to the Wolves just let him play in the AHL and get him some games where he's not

getting completely shelled yeah he's gonna be on the what should be the best American League team I it's a perfect move it's a perfect move it's possible it doesn't work out but on paper looks great boy that's got to feel good for him last place to expansion which had to be a relief and now he's like you know

You know what I'm surprised they didn't make a bigger deal out of, though? Babcock straight up saying they want all their goalies, Sparks, Pickard, and Kaskiswo. They want them all playing in the American League. So they don't want to send Kaskiswo back down to the ECHL, which I agree with. I think he's passed that. He's graduated. So, you know, we're going to look around and see if someone needs an AHL goalie. So the Leafs might loan a player, a Kaskiswo, a Sparks, a Pickard, to another team.

Imagine they loan. Yeah, because people instantly thought trade, and it was like, well, remember when Matt Fratton was loaned back to the Leafs by the Senators in the Dion Phaneuf trade? That was interesting, yeah. Well, loaned back to the Marlies, but still, it can happen. I wonder if, I wonder if two, you know, they, you know, because they'll probably want to hang on to those three guys. They signed Sparks to a two-year deal. They picked up Pickard. Kaskis-Woe is a guy they definitely believe in.

You know, wouldn't it be interesting if they went up against the team that they loaned them to in the playoffs? That could happen The most leaf thing ever I also want to talk about Kyle Turris in Ottawa Oh, okay, so I missed this You texted me about it and I'm like, what? Yeah, because I wondered

This didn't make any sense to me, Jesse So I texted Steve about this Second intermission Kipper and Elliot Friedman on Hockey Night in Canada Are saying, okay, so Kyle Turris Ottawa and Ottawa and Turris' camp Have agreed to a financial figure

They cannot agree on years When do you ever hear about that? It's always the money, it's never the years They cannot agree on years So Ottawa, I did a little investigative Oh, and after ripping Josh Anderson I think they came to an agreement there Yeah, so this could change

By the time this show goes up But Kyle Turris apparently wants 6 or 7 years At X amount of dollars The Ottawa Senators don't want to go beyond 5 years And that is what's holding them up It's between 5 and 6, 7 years And I'm surprised that Ottawa couldn't just go

Eh, we'll give you six We'll give you the sixth year What the hell You're a number Dion Phaneuf, come on board He's their number one center And what Kipper and Elliott Friedman both confirmed Was that he is not only available

But they're shopping him And Darren Drager said he thinks he'll be traded I don't get that Why? I don't get that either What's going on? You just made it to the fourth round Did the same thing not happen with

Mark Mathot the last time he tried to Resign in Ottawa now I know that was under a different General manager but same sort of regime So I wonder if Maybe Ottawa is just really hardball And then it goes really south and then they Come back to the table and everybody gets along Oh yeah Kyle we're gonna trade you

Out of Ottawa Sorry I have to And if you're Montreal Are you not looking at that and going We have to Of course you are, and Ottawa is just going to friggin' take you by the feet and shake you until every penny comes out of your pockets.

What do you think? The Sens aren't going to give the Habs their first center. No way. You know what, though? You know who's pissed about this? Colorado. Oh, because it drives down the price on Duchesne. I don't know if Colorado's pissed.

Duchesne is, for sure. I think they're both pissed. Yep, yep, yep. If you were Ottawa, would you flip the two? And then you have Duchesne under contract? How long does his deal go for? A couple more years? And then you have a controllable asset, which is what they're all about? That is a very, very interesting idea, Adam.

Does Ottawa look at Bobby Ryan and say, we don't want to make the same mistake? And by the way, Matt Duchesne is signed through 2019 for $6 million. So this season and the next season. See, to me that makes sense for Ottawa, because they want to have guys like Dion that they could go and they could control, right? They've got these deals.

Okay, maybe that's a little too much for this particular player, but it's a deal we can control. We're not going to lose him to free agency. We can plan for this. And they're on an internal cap, which makes things a little bit more difficult. Matt Duchesne and Kyle Turris, I mean, I don't know that there's too much of a difference between the players. I know that Colorado fans will say Duchesne's better.

Ottawa fans will say Turris is better. And I'm sure I'll get a billion metrics tweeted my way after this. No, but that to me is a good example of can be first line center. Is he a great one Right Yeah would you rather Like I think Torres and Duchesne are

Roughly the same class I think you could Definitely argue one is better Than the other And they're different players But if you look at If you're Colorado And you know

You can call You can call Ottawa You can call Pierre Dorian And go Okay so what's What does What does Steve Dangle want Well he wants

Six million dollars a year And he wants Six or seven years to do it He'll go five and a half If we go seven years I'll go Okay I can meet him on that

I'll flip you my first guy who's got two more years left on his deal, and I'll just pay him. Why not? God, that is just a really interesting idea. Hmm. I wonder if that works. Just a thought. I don't know. Now, I don't know how badly Colorado wants tourists. Maybe they figure they can flip them?

Colorado wanting tourists to flip them? Well, why wouldn't you just have them to be your first line center? Because he's older, and they're trying to rebuild. They are. Are they? Colorado? Are they? I don't think they have anywhere to go. When is tourists I agree, but I don't know if they've fully committed to a rebuild.

It's up this season. At the end of this year. He's making 3.5 right now. He's going to want six. He's going to want six for sure. And he's 28, by the way. And Duchesne is 26. That is interesting.

See if, okay, so if you're Colorado. I don't hate tourists for six years at six million. I don't hate that. No, me neither. But I don't know, for some reason they do. I don't understand that. But no, sorry, man. You've got the wheels turning here.

What if Colorado is able to do that flip, get a little something extra from the Sens, and then at the trade deadline they go around, flip them, and get... I mean, that's one way to get them in Montreal because Ottawa's not going to give them to you. But how does Montreal pay Colorado for that? I don't know what they have left. Without circuit chips.

Don't worry about that when you get there. If you're Colorado, you have a chance to get double the money here. You get a little something in the first trade and you can get even more in the second trade. You know who else might be looking for a center like Kyle Turris? It's Florida. With Marcia so gone. I wonder if I don't know what the hell they're doing. I don't know what they want I don't know. I just think maybe Florida would could use a guy like well. I mean anybody can use the center but

Matheson Eight years. Oh, I don't know about that one okey-doke. I like him too Okey-doke. I mean if they're willing to give if they're willing to do that deal with him Why wouldn't they do tourists? It's weird like the long-term deal is like all the rave Cuz it's the ice I was on a seven-year deal right now keep the price down I guess. Yeah, so just a thought there.

I wasn't sure. Dylan Strom. Dylan Strom, who was drafted, I believe, if I'm not incorrect here, was he drafted right before or right after Mitch Marner? Third overall right before. 2015. And thank goodness for that. Boy, is that draft just a minefield.

Dylan Strom is back in the AHL. Rick Tockett apparently wants him to be a little quicker in his thought process. As soon as he sees that develop, then he'll be ready for the NHL. What do you really think is going on here? I think he's maybe a step behind, a little slower. And maybe they just want to make sure they do right by him. Just because a player doesn't play in the NHL right away doesn't mean it's a disaster.

You know what I forget all the time? Joe Thornton took a couple years to develop. Yeah, but you know what I forget all the time? Kadri was a Marley for like a while. 22, 23, I think. And the truth is he kind of needed it. He kind of needed it. You drafted this guy third overall.

There was a reason for it. It wasn't ridiculous that they did it. That's where he was projected to go. There was a little bit of debate between him or Marner. But you need to get a good return on this third overall investment. And, I mean, I think they could surprise some people and maybe make a bit of a playoff push. But at the end of the day, where's the fire?

Like, don't rush him. Do it right. Fair enough. If you don't think he's ready. Do it right. I also love Phoenix's defense. I think their defense is great. That's a good core.

Don't they have Demers too now? They do. That's a sneaky good core. Man. Sneaky good core and kind of out of nowhere. Yeah. Like what team made two better defensive additions than Arizona? And smart, like to me, the metrics on those two,

Chalmerson and Demers. They're very good. Wow. Well, Chalmerson for sure is one of those guys that kind of both sides sort of agree on. Demers not as much Yeah So just wanted to question there

Because again he's back in the AHL So people are like Did you hear about the Edmonton Oiler couples That have gone to And this was a story a few weeks ago that Jesse and I talked about They have gone to court over the season tickets So I guess the tickets are in his name They've divorced

She still wants to go to see games and he will not allow it And then so the court The judge said okay well he gets to pick the first game and you get to pick the second game and he gets to pick the third game

and they have to split the 41 games up so stupid and then they have to I think they have to split them up in the playoffs too

like it matters now what's interesting is when you buy season tickets this is what I loved about this story when you buy season tickets

you don't buy the playoffs you have the that's an additional cost so if you buy a season tickets you get 41 games that's your guaranteed right

however those seats are available to you in the playoffs but they're not You haven't paid for them So I guess the judge just knows That when Edmonton goes to the playoffs this year That they'll be buying

Like they put the provisor in there Yeah they put the provisor in there And I thought that was amazing And also I thought about this too If the Oilers suck If there's no Connor McDavid What a suspect Well let's say there's no Connor McDavid in Edmonton

He's a Toronto Maple Leaf Oh okay Because that was the other way it was going to go It was either Leafs or Edmonton If that was the case Does this court case happen Yes You think so

I mean I don't think you go through a process like this If you don't hate each other It's that fine line between love and hate Yeah And I mean it's Edmonton You're always going to covet Oilers tickets Even when they're bad

Or Oilers concourse tickets That's the real money Yeah Speaking of concourse, I gotta go back. You're gonna go to the bathroom? Yes. Okay, we'll pause. Lastly, before we get to Bella Hadid talking like an undercover cop, it's so great.

We gotta talk about the Senator's new burger at the CTC Grill. I did see this. Did you see this? They released a picture of this burger and it was dragged so hard by Senator's fans. Not because of taste, not

because of experience or the fact that they weren't excited, they don't like burgers in Ottawa, none of that. It doesn't even have a Maple Leaf branded on it. Is it their own Bobby Nicks burger? I think they're trying, but the problem is to customize the Ottawa Senators burger, they put

the lettuce and the tomato on the bottom. And the patty, the burger patty, is on the top. So have a look. Just turn it upside down. Problem solved. But people are upset, Steve. They put the lettuce and the tomato on the bottom And the burger patty on the top

Which you know what I agree with You want the crunch on the top Think about how you eat a burger You want the crunch of it to come down On the hot meaty center I got two sets of teeth Yeah but you taste up Your tongue has taste buds on one side

And they taste up Sense fans chew your food Chew your food you'll get all those sensations still You know what I agree with him Yeah I don't understand what's wrong with the burger Because the burger is upside down I'm like am I crazy Am I crazy?

You guys are crazy. No. That is wrong. You shouldn't. First off, shredded lettuce is the worst, so stop with the shredded lettuce. Sens fans, you're being ridiculous. Cook who made this burger, you're being difficult. Ah, okay.

You are being difficult. It's like a burger, but we flipped it, man. Shut up. You're being difficult. All right. Now, Jesse, this is something that we're going to run on Kiss this afternoon, but we had to run it here because it's so funny. Can you explain what Bella Hadid is doing in this?

This has nothing to do with sports, but there's some Nike shoes in it. Sports-ish. Complex Magazine, which is a magazine and a website, they do a feature where they go sneaker shopping with celebrities. So they bring in a celebrity and they go to a NYC sneaker shop that's really famous

and they have all the latest sneakers. And then this episode, they brought in Bella Hadid, who's a model with her sister Gigi. They do modeling things. And Bella knows a lot about the young kids these days and the slang they're using. Now, Bella is

21. She's younger than Jesse. Wow. Happy birthday, Bella Hadid, by the way. The weekend's ex-girlfriend. Really? Yeah, they dated for a while. Oh. Yeah. Okay. And it is a little Now, Bella did grow up rich.

So maybe that has some reason for this. I don't think she has a lot of exposure to the streets. And I think that kind of comes through. And we'll throw that out there. Sneakers on a man is definitely the first thing I look at. So if you're going to have a dope shoe that both guys and girls can wear, I mean, come on. Matching shoes, that's dope.

What are some of your sneakers? So you get a little hint of it there, a little taste. Matching shoes, that's dope. Matching shoes, that is dope. That's how many seconds in? That was 10 seconds in. Two dopes already. So matching shoes, that's dope.

You sound like an alien running for president in The Simpsons. All right, let's keep going. Go ahead. Throw your vote away. I'm Bella Hadid. I voted for Crank. Don't blame me. I voted for Gigi.

Your turnoffs, though. You know what? I'm cool with it, and I don't mind dirty sneakers, but they better be fresh. What does that mean, Bella? Dirty sneakers. Let's rewind that a little bit here. I'm cool with it, but they better be fresh. turn offs though you know what i'm cool with it and i don't mind dirty sneakers but

you better they better be fresh you know if homeboy is coming through with these it's quiet wait what'd she say if homeboy is coming through with these it's quiet oh it means it's not it's not popping because it's quiet so it's not hot if homeboy is coming through with these it's quiet yeah no it's quiet for him yeah it's quiet for him like i'm not messing with him it's quiet Can we stop? I'm so uncomfortable. No. Oh, my God.

We still have 40 seconds. Why are you making me do this? 40 seconds to go, kids. How much time have we gone through? 21 seconds. That's horrible. No, I don't want to. No, no, no.

No. I hate this stuff. No. All right. All right. But, like, if he comes through in, like, these, you got some Air Maxes out here. Yeah. You got some Jordans.

Homeboy's going to, like, get it. Homeboy's going to get it. Please stop I want to get off the ride There's only 26 seconds left guys How long I mean think about how long 26 seconds is

It's nothing I want to know Where in the small sneaker shop They put a teleprompter I just want It sounds like she's reading It's He's gonna get it

He's gonna come through Sorry roll that back It's not he though It's homeboy So here we go Here we go In like these Yeah

You got some Air Maxes out here You got some Jordans Homeboy's gonna like Get it She's not even comfortable saying get it He's gonna get it Get it Did you go over this with your agent in the car

In your big Lincoln Continental on the way over Okay so here's what you're gonna say Homeboy, dope, get it She's going through the cue cards Sorry Bella do you got this one? Homeboy drop that reference I've been part of shoots Somewhat similar to this

You mean free stuff shoots? Oh yeah That's not even what I meant Yeah you do things like that Sort of yeah So there's several people there There's probably a producer There's definitely the cameraman

Or woman And there's the host At least one of them Throughout the course of this interview Was like I think we're I think this is gold I think we stumbled onto gold And then they bring it back to the office

And they start editing it And then the editor's like Yeah no this is pretty We're about to go viral, yeah. Do they know that this is a train wreck? I think it is so awkward for them in that moment that they don't want to say anything. But they know it. Do you think they knew it?

I don't know if I'd know. I'd feel uncomfortable about it. Do you think the people at Complex today are going, I don't understand what the big deal is? They are popping and they are fire. We thought this was going to be quiet. Do you think Complex knew the reaction would be like this? I think after the fact, when they watched the video, they knew what she was doing. That this was going to be big.

That she was going to be super awesome. But in the moment, I don't think you could ever know. I do think it's funny. If you have someone like that, come on. She's an internationally recognized supermodel. She's done a lot of incredible work. She's accomplished a lot for 21 years of age. She's fire.

That's good. Do you think she would come through on this podcast? No, I don't. I think it'd be quiet. Do you think she'd get it? She'd be like I think I think

It'd be like Fresh but dirty I mean it's Dirty but Better be fresh I wonder if Like Okay so Complex

Has her on She sounds like a mom Explaining to her daughter That she's still hip Is her agent And her Are her agent and her Upset about the fact

That this video Makes her look like Look pretty bad Absolutely And like Complex Knew that If they knew that And they put it up

Are you not a little mad At Complex That is interesting You've now made my client look bad Okay I think a good agent Is more mad at her Bella Who told you those were the right things to say

I bet it was the agent Or are they just happy That she's got all this press There it is Jesse found it I don't know There's a lot of pride In the entertainment world

A lot of pride But even if, listen, I know there's no- Drake still gets made fun of for his accent. Totally. Justin Bieber. Sounds like he's from the South. You're from Stratford, dawg. Yeah.

If you see- Dawg. It'd be better if he sounded like Shakespeare. Like, it would at least make more sense. He talks like Ray from Rodney, Ontario. And again, we've brought him up in the podcast. Google Ray from Rodney. That is what Justin Bieber should sound like.

Yeah. I just, I wonder in this if the agent's not a little upset. And even if you're not upset, you have to feign upset. because you can't allow your client to go out there and look terrible. Bella, I have to say, I saw your Complex interview and I must say it was arms.

It was whack, yo. So let's... We need to talk about how whack it was. I'm rewinding it to 22 seconds just so we can pick up where we left off. Like if he comes through in like these, you got some Air Maxes out here, you got some Jordans,

homeboys can I like get it. Are you a big fan of basketball sneakers? Like these Pippins and these are the old Jason kids. You know what? I love basketball sneakers and I think they're some of the dopest shoes that Nike has. Okay, I think I... Jesse loves this. There's nobody that loves this more than Jesse.

You might be loving this right now, but Jesse loves it more. Since you are the connoisseur. No, I'm not Faisal. A little bit of a... No, not the sneaker connoisseur. Yes, we should definitely have Faisal in for that angle. But the pop culture, like, you just eat this stuff up. You get it.

Sure. Now, where did this- Homeboy. Homeboy gets it. He's the one who's gonna get it. Jesse comes through. If he comes through with those Air Maxes or some Jordans, Homeboy's gonna, like, get it. There's two approaches to this.

Me writhing in agony and Adam kicking. He's actually so happy. Oh, that's awesome. Jesse, did this go wrong with her trying to sound cool? with her slang or did it go wrong from the fact that she's uncomfortable with the subject matter of the interview well she sounds like she's given a book report the whole purpose of the interview is to show off hey i'm a regular person i care about sneakers i'm a celebrity and i'm into fashion and sneakers so you don't go on this show if you're not really about yeah don't the thing that

makes this funny it's not we're not it's not a character assassination of bella hadid it's the fact that she's being inauthentic yeah it's yes that's why it's funny it's one of those shows that i think is designed to be like yeah see i'm just one of the people and she comes across as yeah a narc i don't think i don't think bella's ever walked into a footlocker and bought air maxes no so no because the footlocker would come to her exactly like and and that's listen i'm not i'm not bashing her circumstance that was just her circumstance she came from an insanely rich family. She's done extremely well on her own. Nobody's taking anything away from

her, but this is not a good fit. I would like to purchase one footwear, please. How many of your human earth dollars does that cost? Thank you. My name is Bella Hadid. And I am all about the Benjamins. Yes, baby.

Alright, ready, ready, ready. We're almost there. It's not even done. We're almost there, guys. Are you a big fan of basketball sneakers, like these Pippins and these are the old Jason kids. You know what? I love basketball sneakers and I think they're some of the dopest shoes that Nike has.

But, I mean, I already picked these out. We're going for these. Those are coming home with you. These are coming home with me. You're going to put these with the black dress, you're going to look sexy as shit. So, you're going to kill it. Slip-ons over there, I don't know. I don't know if we're going to. Yeah, that's a no-go. It's a no-go for me.

I feel bad for her. You know what was my favorite part? I feel bad. I want to rewind to just one second 141 here. Doesn't it sound like she's answering a question on a book report? They're some of the dopest shoes that Nike has, but I mean, I already posted basketball sneakers like these. As someone who gave book reports to books I didn't read, yeah,

no, that's what it sounds like. It sounds like, it's like, you know, it's like, describe when Atticus did blah-biddy-blah-biddy-blah. Well, Atticus did blah-biddy-blah-biddy-blah when, you know, like, you know what I mean? And that's how she came across. I also read To Kill a Mockingbird. Yes, thank you. He was a lawyer. Basketball sneakers, like these Pippins

And these are the old Jason kids You know what I love basketball sneakers And I think they're some of the dopest Shoes that Nike has Who refers to them as basketball sneakers I don't know Because they're sneaker heads But I don't know man

We need Faisal in on this I think there's another layer we can go Faze doggy dog We need Faze Boy I'm just trying to sound as white as Bella Hadid He's, oh my goodness. My goodness.

Let's do the press conference, shall we? Yes. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. God, anything that's not that, please. This is a tweet I got from at Nalins37. Nalins, like New Orleans? I don't, I don't know.

What's homeboy come through with? The homeboy came through with a pretty quiet question. You're too good at that. Who has surprised the SDP crew the most on the Leafs this season? Oh, um... Surprised us? Who's your surprise after three games? Ron Hainsey, I'm going to say.

He's looked good in that I haven't really noticed him very much. His numbers are actually quite good. When Morgan Rielly looks good, he looks good. When he looks good, Morgan Rielly looks good. So I would say Ron Hainsey because I was a little bit unsure. Connor Brown has looked exceptional. No, no, just keep taking guys. I'm going to take one more.

Here, I'll give my third one after you guys go. Eric Faire. Shit, that's a good one. The fact that Eric Faire even made this team was not even a possibility that many people even thought of when the season started. It's where is he going to play on the Marlies after he clears waivers. Great pick. Eric Faire is the guy for me that's a real surprise.

And it's been a pleasant surprise. Yes, he's had a couple. Like, he's not as fast as he used to be. The game's a little bit faster around him. But he's a great penalty killer. He's tall. He's got that big, long reach. And he's played steady minutes.

Steady, boring minutes. Yep. And that over, like, a competent fourth line over what we had last year has been such a blessing. And it's still not even as good as it could be. No. Yeah. But it's significantly better. Jesse?

Who surprised me? Homeboy. Which number does homeboy wear? Who's come through? Who's been lit? Who's been dirty? Can I say Freddie? Really?

In good or bad? In good. I feel like how this game, nothing was really his fault. In the first two games, nothing was really his fault. I feel like he's been exceptional. Lost in the seven goals from the Jets game. He won them that game. Oh yeah

Killed off all his penalties Was it 15-3 the shots In the first period Stopped a breakaway He's already faced Like three or four breakaways This season Stopped them all

So I just want to give him credit For being exceptional That's a good pick My third guy Is Andreas Borgman Oh yeah He's been great I didn't expect him

To steal the job I didn't expect him To convince me That he should be Stealing the job And also No one told me He was a wrecker

Of worlds like this Yeah How did none of the Scouting reports Say he's a bone Crushing hitter Yeah I didn't read one

Scouting report That said that No I never saw Any of that SHL rookie of the year You know Maybe due to stereotypes I think you expect

A certain thing You expect him to be This silky Swede Gorgeous You know Finesse But no

He's a grunk Not gorgeous No Oh he's definitely gorgeous But he's grunk gorgeous You know Like the Swedish Brock Lesnar

How about that I like that Brock Lesnar already Kind of looks Swedish Right he's got the Blonde hair Borg Lesnar Borg Lesnar

Next question Jesse how would you Describe it in Bella Hadid I will not do that I put the cup in front Of my mouth Just so I didn't Spit out a lot of it

Oh my god Mike MC Ian Freeney On Twitter Sent us this Twitter moment And he says Whoever created this topic

Doesn't watch the Leafs Or wasn't thinking When they picked this image If you care to take a look And describe it Leaf fans are excited About the season And it's a picture of

Who? Martin Marinson I thought that was funny That's a shame Shout out Twitter Is that just them being difficult Oh you know what that is That's them

Going through their photo archives And just picking the first photo they saw Because it was probably from when Martin Marincin got sent down to the Marlies Ah okay well that makes sense I don't know how moments are created I know our buddy Dave Alter does He does and he doesn't do it anymore

If he still did I'm sure he would be much better than that and we have one final question from the reddit page And I will bring it up momentarily come through with a question from the reddit Home our homeboy's gonna get it. I'm a reddit. I'm a reddit user also Also, people want us to do more tim morton's hockey card battles. They enjoyed that. Oh, okay Wasn't that ron mclean's idea? Yeah, it was yeah Well, it was yours to bring in. Yeah, but it was it was definitely his idea to do it

Yeah, it's crazy. I've never really done that before. Well, maybe if Tim Hortons wants to help us out with that. Anybody work for Tim Hortons want to help us out with that? Maybe come on. We'll give you delicious Panago pizza and delicious Tim Hortons coffee as a sponsorship. I don't know. Just throwing that out there.

I'm into it. It's good. Also, I want to be in a commercial between Nate McKinnon and Sidney Crosby and have them slap a C in an AM. Those commercials are great. They're so funny. I don't think it airs enough. Hey, Joe.

Yeah. That was a great game, Joe, from Kelowna. I love that. Yeah, you're right. It's every second commercial. Jesse's a jerk. Poviliustus? I don't know.

Roman Emperor Poviliustus? Yes. Is Steve ever going to faint while recording an LFR? I mean, probably. Will I faint before I knock myself unconscious? Have you ever been like, and I'm genuinely like, have you ever had like a rush of blood or dizzy or anything because you've just worked yourself into such a fervor?

Yeah, during the playoffs on stage at those tailgates, I almost passed out a couple of times. Really? So not while in the basement though? Like recording a show? No, I've banged my head a couple of times. It's pretty hard. Sometimes intentionally, man.

Dude, I've like cut myself. Like I'd throw myself around that room. You were biting a puck three days ago? Yeah. Oh yeah, and I've banged my head. Hey, question for you. You remember when Clark MacArthur was a leaf? Yes.

And you had the Clark MacArthur sword? Sword. It's not a sharp sword. Do you have it? Yes. I was thinking, he's having a rough go right now. It'd be awfully cool if you sent him the sword and just say, just remember, we still love you. How hard is it to ship a metal sword?

Is it a real metal sword? Yeah, my dad made it. Wow, really? I thought it was like a plastic kid sword from, like, Toys R Us. No, it's made of metal and wood, and my dad made it. Yep. Did you ask him to make you a sword? No, he just did it because he's weird.

I mean, look at his son. Yeah, he made a sword. Wow, your dad's the best. That's amazing. That's a story you've never told before. I didn't know that. Yeah. Steve Dangle's dad, drummer, sword maker.

Wow. He's a strange guy. Man, dads from that generation are crazy. They can just make stuff and do stuff. My dad's like, yeah, you know, I put together a water pump this weekend. I was like, what? What? How did you do that?

I always think to myself, God, it'd be great to have a cottage one day. And then I hear people go like, oh, yeah, I'm heading up to close the cottage. I'm like, I never want a cottage. I want nothing to do with that. It's trash. I grew up with cottages. Trust me. Just go for the weekend.

It's a lot of work. I have never been to a cottage. What? I've lived 25 years and I've never been to a cottage. My parents just sold theirs, but you can come up to their house in Collingwood if you would like. I will not be there. Go skiing. Do you ski?

I do ski. Okay, then come up skiing this winter. Maybe. Ah, now we got him. And then we can go skiing during the day. I can't believe. And then we can watch hockey at night. I can't believe homeboy never came through with a cottage invite.

You know, my life's been pretty quiet. Can you explain quiet to me again? It's just, it's not. It's not popping. It's not popping. Like nothing's going off, so it's quiet. Quiet means not popping? Yeah, it's quiet.

It's quiet. Popping is also a very David term. Yeah, man. That's like Will Smith What's slang for shoehorning Oh it's bad I don't think slang goes that far I know

Anyway Fun times at the ranch We will see you guys Thursday Never invited him to the ranch either No it's true Can you do Marley's again Marley's

Okay again Marley's.ca It's S-D podcast You're gonna get a discount Plus You're gonna be sat In the Steve Dangle's Podcast section

And it's amazing The actual flyer says Steve Dangle podcast Nice night with exclusive post-game skate with Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Promo code is SDPodcast or

SDPodcast. And again, you can call 416-815-5556 or email Harrison.Kell spelled how it sounds K-E-L-L at MLSC.com if you want tickets. Specifically, if you have any questions, that sort of thing, Harrison's our guy. He's really great. But it's going to be the same

as last year. Bring your skates. Rah, rah, rah, go Marlies. And then we're going to go skate. Bit of false advertising. It'll be a skate with Adam Wilde and Jesse Blake, I will be on the ice wearing skates. We certainly wouldn't call it you skating with me. Well, I mean, it's gliding with style. Can we have the

poster edited to say that it won't be quiet? Can you please do a... I'm going to send you the poster after this. Steve, you have to tweet this out instead of I. Can you do like a Bella Hadid version of this? It'll be a dope fresh night with SDP.

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