The Steve Dangle Podcast - Quinn C | September 11, 2023

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

Get tickets to see the SDP live here: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/thecourseandtheclubhouse/973853 On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Adam went to the Pittsburgh Steelers game (00:00), Quinn Hughes is named captain of the Vancouver Canucks (10:30), Brad Treliving speaks to media about this upcoming Leafs season (20:00), what will the Winnipeg Jets do with Connor Hellebuyck? (50:00), a Bally Sports bankruptcy update (1:03:00), an update on the Arizona Coyotes arena situation (1:09:00), and some CM Punk talk during the press conference (1:22:00). Visit this episode's sponsors: Bring in the fall right and Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code DANGLE at Manscaped.com. That’s 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com and use code DANGLE Go to drinkAG1.com/sdp and try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

sorry Steve no green pen for you I wanted it I threw Steve's pen away because there's nothing he can do he's if you're listening to this he's between Jesse and I you son of a gun yeah and this desk does not have a lot of room between the wall and the desk so it'd be very difficult You'd have to really squish by like you're at a stadium. I'd have to hop over this desk like I was getting ready for my shift. Yeah. Over the boards, kid. That's right.

You know that Steve had his big game scrimmage for the end of his summer hockey? You talking about hopping over the boards reminded me of you playing hockey. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. And Steve had his big end of summer championship game. Oh, yeah. And Steve's team got absolutely rocked. fucking killed did you jump the bench though on the ice no no because it's dangerous

what was the final score uh it was like eight two and what the spring session that i was in what was the final score in the championship game that time your team had more than mine i don't remember so is the rule just don't pick steve and you had two goals too oh yeah i i went off it was great didn't you couldn't complete the hat trick though no no i i eased up as a good canadian who grew up on hockey night in canada john cherry taught me to ease up yeah because you don't want to show up the other countries what else did he teach you that's it i don't know that's it um anyway i uh you know what you people are having a bad day yeah exactly and by you people i mean pittsburgh steel that's right man i went all the way to

pittsburgh and just watch them get domed it was like uh damn man they uh so it's natalie's first football game and i'm like you know we're super excited and and and uh yinzers are the best like they get so excited before the game and the the fans like uh my mom's uh husband jim did not have any steelers gear on because he's a he's a seahawks fan so he just went as neutral colors and the guy beside was like you're a hater aren't you and like and he's like i came all the way up from the south i'm a steelers fan too and uh like and i was sitting next to people who were from san francisco and they were steelers fans steelers fans are everywhere a seahawks fan would probably hate san francisco more i would think so right i would think so but listen to me with my football

banner but uh banner uh it took the same division well done it took until the the last few minutes of the second quarter for us to hear. And that's a Pittsburgh Steeler. First down. Not first down. It's a first down. So, man, it was bad. But listen, I wanted to ask you guys about something

because I walked into a few restaurants in the United States and I saw this one type of, I guess, fizzy drink, cola. And I wanted to know if you guys have ever had it because I don't believe we have it up here. Okay. Have you guys ever taste tested high C? high c yeah i've heard of it high c was big in canada it was when we were like really little like i'm talking like before 10 is high c any good because i keep seeing it come up

high c it's like uh like it was it's at all the fountains yeah it's like oh yeah i've had high have you had high c yeah it was big when we were kids and that kind of went away yeah yeah and you could get the frigging laundry detergent size one yeah yeah look at that look at that it's like 128 it's like the similar things you remember the mcdonald's orange drink yeah yeah is that what it is yeah i thought it was just orange crush yeah so is it is it i don't remember is it is it is it just like is it flat or it does it have like a bubble too i think it's flat okay because i was remember you had fizzy high c no i didn't touch it i don't know i was just like i was like do i need to try high c the next time this story is about a drink you saw well i was wondering if

you guys had had it i was not high c i was like you know what i didn't talk about that drink i saw what else could you see tell us adam well first i do want to say um that i've never seen more cheese on a pizza than the steelers piece of pizza that you get first it's about the size of uh of probably almost of like the size of like a notebook that you would bring to school like it's like you're you know you're your five star binder yes it's like that big a duo tang yes and it's and it's just the cheese is just falling off the side of it well and i was like i'm like do i want do i want that with a nice crispy high seat do you want to shit yourself at a sporting event it's up to you well we got into that you know last episode do you want natalie to be like

what's that smell and you got to just be like oh it's you know it's a big steel town you know see how long you can convince her it's not your ass that's right yeah i can how's everyone doing um i do want to say though it's it was nice to be back it's i haven't seen the steelers in person in like five years so it was really nice to be there until the game started um i did root for the one touchdown it was very exciting that was great um and my fantasy team just got killed yesterday tim is gonna destroy me tim haraney is who i'm up against this week and i'm just getting destroyed right over the coals so this is where i get to see if my plan will work or backfire okay because producer drew is playing me in fantasy football producer drew is a football

fan and a seasoned fantasy football guy yeah i'm getting killed and my only hope is josh allen tonight go off yes against the jets against the jets so drew who is this uh uh bill's fan will have to cheer for and against his own happiness oh that was uh my plan all along and it's probably not gonna work and he's gonna get to have his cake and eat it too and fuck my life i have a question uh jesse i sent you a text yeah i want to bring this up i want to ask you as funny as this picture is do we believe it happened do we believe this happened okay it's no no don't look at his computer it's going up on the screen do we believe what that a pittsburgh stealer fan pooped his pants and then tried to clean it in the sink

at uh i can't act sure first half yeah first half too no that's that was that's an old picture is that an old this isn't like recent well i know that there's still a ton of jerome bettis i'd never seen that picture before my wrong i've seen the picture have you yeah so so part of the part in my take account just tweeted out and we're like stealers oh just okay i might use that that image now do we still think but i don't know if it actually happened do we think that actually happened or is that just somebody just messing around i mean okay we don't know if this is like adam you were there is that what the washrooms look like bathrooms washrooms yeah washroom yeah Yeah, that floor is the same.

I don't know. I mean, okay. And how many people does the stadium hold? Well, it was 68,000 there yesterday. And how many home games do they have a year? Eight, if they don't make the playoffs. I don't know. I'd say the odds of someone not shitting their pants.

Are pretty slim. Pretty slim. Yeah. I mean, someone shit their pants. I wonder if, you know, remember we had Richard Petty on and he, you know, he was famous for founding the Skydome and building the Air Canada Center. now scotia bank arena is one of those you know people that was behind both of them i do you have like a a plan for somebody who you must what do you do if someone like it must happen right we didn't you have to have a contingency for that episodes about shitting your pants but you have

to have a contingency for that right i i guess you have to well i was like it's almost it's not a medical emergency but i think it's still like it's a social emergency okay you didn't go to the game alone no someone's got to come with you there's got to be the person you trust most you send them to the team shop immediately and you say buy a pair of pants yeah and i'm throwing these out and i'm going to the washroom oh and the problem this guy made was he you know what i had a full thing i was going to go through there like a step by step yeah and i've decided to bail why because i don't want to i've decided to bail yeah you ever like that's i think that's a sign of like adulthood no i want to know how you would get through it no you won't game plan

this jesse do you think so i would stay in the stall until my friend came with the new pants sure yeah that's probably the best would you go back to your seat though having if that you know that's where it happened depends on the game no i'd walk around for the rest of it that's a good answer jesse yeah i know if it's a good game i'm staying so yeah you can just go home now it's a playoff game i'll stay because you're gonna miss most of the game if you the part from like traveling home and then getting there and turning on the tv you know but if it's a playoff game i'll stick around uh so this also way to hate the radio jesse this this uh was tweeted out because you're in an uber we're gonna tell the uber driver put on the game um this was tweeted out

in september of 2021 is when the poop incident happened uh the pittsburgh steelers were playing the raiders and they were losing at the time fair it was second week of the season i think it was and yeah this this went viral but there's no there's no circumstances the fans identity is unknown as are the circumstances that led to such a moment which has since been immortalized in the viral image you know whose identity is more important to know the person who took a photo of a naked stranger in the bathroom. What's wrong with you? That's a good point.

What's wrong with you? By the way, it hasn't been Heinz Field for a few years, so that must be a few years old. Yeah. It's 2021. 2021. Okay. Pay attention.

Sorry. I'm still trying to get used to it. Like, Acosure, I think it's an insurance company. And it's part of their thing, part of their cool sponsorship deal. We were talking about the AT&T sponsorship with Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. Do you know what we got to see on the billboard? We're all the emergency exits.

They run you through at some point the emergency exits. And the team was already down by 20-something points by that point. And people were like, that seems like a good idea. Yeah, no, good idea. So we have a new captain of the Vancouver Canucks, Mr. Quinn Hughes. Elias Patterson. Oh, what? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Now, it was between the two of them. If I had asked you guys yesterday, what would you have said? Would you have said Patterson or Hughes? J.T. Miller. J.T. Miller. The more logical pick is actually Quinn Hughes. Why?

Because he's the one actually committed to the team for a significant period of time, whereas Elias Pettersson could be gone in a year. Right. So, you know what I mean? Like, if you name Pettersson captain, you give him even more leverage heading into a negotiation where he has all of it

because you chose to bridge him when you shouldn't have. Well, the previous guy did, right? Well, yes. Yes, so it's not Patrick Alvin's fault, I suppose. But that contract's not done. And I think we should talk about it every fucking day. I want to ask, though. He is an RFA at the end of this season.

Oh, he is? Yeah, so he's an RFA at the end of this year. So they're still under control, team control, but they need an extension. How many RFA years does he have left, Jesse? One? What, he'd be 26 when he gets, so two. But didn't they screw up with him

where his qualifying offer is $10 million? Is he another one of those? I think he is. Because there's been a couple. Yeah, that happened with Timo Meier, yeah, last season. I don't know what his QO would be at the end of this. I'm almost positive it's 10. Qualifying offer's 8.8.

There you go. It's not 10. that's pretty high 8.82 for him which is actually reasonable it's only a less it's a million and a bit raised from what he's making right now i don't like you i don't mind pedersen if you get pedersen at that number that's amazing one year you also don't want to get in a situation where you're qualifying him right you want to this season you figure out a long-term contract with with pedersen i thought it was 10 for some reason it's 8.8 okay so here's then this is this is a weird question but did him not have any extension done cost him the captaincy?

It could have. I mean, like, this is very unfair to Quinn Hughes. Of course, because Quinn Hughes rules. Yeah, no, like, he's legitimately, I mean, we'll never know what they're like in the dressing room unless they tell us, right? But I spoke to Quinn Hughes, and every conversation interview I've ever heard with Quinn Hughes,

He is very quickly going from, you know, kind of quiet rookie to super confident, self-aware young man, not to sound like an old. But no, that's a mature guy, a mature guy with an underrated fire to him. And I think he's a good choice for captain for the Canucks. I don't think the Hughes guys are the brothers. Any of them are lacking in self-confidence. What a family. well yeah they're just a family of we're we're pretty good yeah like we're pretty good yeah just ask us uh and you know what i love that i love that i love the way jack just ask us yeah

honestly i think it was like jack jack hughes was on tim and friends last year and like i think when when they asked him like something about his brother he's like well they didn't really have a great team last year but uh but my brother was really good and i was like man that's true I would like you to find the lie. Exactly. I loved that he came out and said it, though. Most guys would have kind of sidestepped that. I love their attitude.

It's the best. So I think that's kind of a cool thing for Quinn Hughes as well. I mean, what an honor to be a Canucks captain. You joined greats like Mark Messier. None others. No others. Just Mark Messier. Just mess.

Yeah. On the Pedersen front, he was asked about being captain last season on an episode of After Hours. You know, the show. Oh, with Scott Oak. Yeah. Yeah. And his response is pretty interesting. I'll read it right now.

He said, that'll definitely be an honor. But for me, I don't want to stress or rush into a decision. I've never been a captain. Everyone knows I'm a pretty quiet guy. So it would definitely be an honor. But I want to take my time thinking about it in the summer and make a decision. So based on that It sounds like they might have been

Conversations previously with Pedersen About maybe becoming captain one day And maybe he Didn't feel up to the task Maybe they thought like Quinn's the better Well they obviously thought Quinn's the better choice But I thought that was an interesting quote Him to speak on it directly like that

Well and to say He did say later on I've never been a captain Everyone knows I'm a quiet guy Okay so that's fine But I just i do find that kind of fascinating like it's a it's mature it's very mature but it's like a two player race for it like when we when when tavaris was named captain there was sort of a two-player race in toronto it was a lot of actually three a lot of people said riley a lot of people said

tavaris most people i think at the time were like it's probably going to be matthews and i still think that was the plan yeah until the until he you know the mooning thing came up yeah absolutely absolutely that was i'm just not going to tell the leafs about it that was i'm just not going to tell him i'm gonna let this be a nice little pre-season surprise for everybody it's very uh underratedly fucking stupid yeah well you said at the time like man kyle dubas goes to the wall for these guys and like they don't go back for him never repaid him never not once yeah it's crazy never not once crazy uh that like that's a shit like for a guy that's had your back it's a shitty thing to do yeah really shitty yeah um hopefully there was a learning experience um the uh the

other thing i wonder with with quinn hughes as the captain of the canucks is i think everybody's sort of waiting to see what this team is with the vancouver canucks and we could talk about that you know at at nauseam are they going to be a playoff team are they going to be and and and if not there's going to have to be some sort of retool again western canada is pretty fascinating because i mean you got the flames who we thought were going to do everything and they did virtually nothing nothing yeah um but like you could even justify them doing not very much because i mean they should have been better yep they 100 should have been better i don't know if they should be up near the top of the conference or anything but i mean they should have been in

the playoff conversation for crying out loud they were pathetic um especially down the back half uh but the canucks i don't know how many consecutive years i can say it but But I still don't think they're as bad as they look. They're not. I mean, there's real talent on the roster. The decor is shocking. It's genuinely terrible. Let me run you through it.

Quinn Hughes, Tyler Myers, Philip Roenick, Carson Sousey, Ian Cole, Jack Rathburn, Guillaume, Briseois, Matt Irwin, and then there's also Tucker Poolman, who is on long-term injury reserve at the moment but may come off. And used to feature Oliver Ekman-Larsen, but he's bought out. adding chronic was good for a first round pick yeah i don't know about the trade itself but adding chronic is good you know you got your big left side guy you got your big right side guy but it's basically three through whatever yeah that's terrible that's really really bad man yeah it's pretty rough and like your game plan cannot be we're gonna score some goals and uh

like just break thatcher demko well over our knee i'm wondering how they're because they're um i don't know much about their backup goalie mart uh spencer martin beyond he's a year older than thatcher demko is he he was uh the mississauga steelheads goalie when uh i was there oh okay yeah yeah he was and he was really good he was a i think a third round pick of the avalanche um he's given them some good games okay um but i i think any canucks fan will probably tell you uh he did a little bit more sinking than swimming last year and and but again i think a big part of that is uh their d is just terrible and they need to get better at that i think you know part of the reason you know that that jt miller conversation with you know how bad his defense is

I think part of the reason or part of what exacerbates that is just you don't have two defensemen there's nothing behind JT Miller no there's nothing behind him the goalie yeah Spencer Martin's stats last year

11 and 15 with an 871 save percentage he has 71 he has 38 career games in the NHL 885 is a save percentage over all of that so you feel like maybe the Canucks are in the market for a backup and they are yeah by the way uh on cap friendly at least they are the third highest salaried team

behind the leafs and the lightning uh in the nhl yeah i mean obviously there's some of that's going to be long-term injury reserve and all that stuff too right uh like the leafs have to but uh way too many teams have three goalies right now well yeah i mean i'm sure the canucks are going to be able to pick up somebody on waivers martin jones you are a vancouver canuck calling it right now here Speaking of, Pierre Lebrun sat down with Brad Trilliving, and I figured I'd kind of go through it because the article's been out all weekend. Sort of, what did we learn? What did we learn? And I want to know what your reaction, guys, is to some of the things that Brad Trilliving says.

Because I think a lot of the story for the first part of this year for Leaf fans is going to be, this is the first non-Dubas year since, like, 2014. And I know that Lamorello ran the team, but Dubas was a huge part of the narrative always. Dude, even my brain, when you were like, oh, he sat down, Brad Treleving, and I'm like, all right, what are the Flames up to? Let's talk to the Flames. Yeah, yeah. This is going to be a really different year.

And so let's start with the Matthews extension. He said it's huge. First of all, you get one of the top players in the game done before training camp, so you guys don't have to call me about that before camp. Treleving seems to have a good sense of humor. Yes. So that's good.

Number two. He has an excellent rapport with the media. On Nylander, he said, I'm not going to get into that play-by-play other than to say he's a very good player and you always want to keep good players. He's told me he wants to be in Toronto. That's the most important thing. If there's a desire on both sides, then you should be able to come to an agreement.

And LeBron adds in there, they haven't hit a wall in contract talks, which is noteworthy. He said, no, no, no. We'll talk here prior to getting the season started and we'll see where we're at. But we still have a year. And Lewis Gross responded this, and I love this. I love this. Oh, he got both of them. Yeah, yeah.

He said, we're open to getting a deal done as well. Oh, good. Thank you, Lewis. And LeBron sort of editorialized here, but I thought this was key. He said, so if I were to read between the lines, I don't think the trade deadline in March will be much of a factor as long as the Leafs are contenders again. They seem to be willing to go all the way to next summer

to get Neylander's contract done. Is that the right call? Absolutely not. No. No. You can't. You can't. Because you're going to repeat the same mistake you've made a thousand times.

Learn, man. What is the point of getting a new guy if you're going to do all the same shit the last guy did? What's the point? What's the point? JVR. No, we're going to do the own rental thing. Gone. Hyman.

We're going to do. Gone. Bozak. Bozak. Gone. McHale. Gone. Gardner.

gone you didn't get shit for any of those guys anderson injured and then gone it's yes yeah that's a little different that was different guys what are we doing here now here's here so i know i'm negative every time we talk about this because i'm so sick of talking about these contract hold ups and uh i you know what i've already done the kneelander one you've been through this movie yeah yeah yeah it's like you love this you ever see a preview for a sequel no one asked for like no no we don't need this we don't need this right now um but um i'm just gonna say this it was encouraging it sounds like it's heading in the right direction but if neil anders camp pulls this we don't want to negotiate during the season thing

trade him immediately really yes no wait now isn't he on some sort of no trade or something like that uh he has some protection modified no trade 10 team no trade list now what he could do i was speaking to someone about this what he could do and this would be risky uh is just name 10 teams that you think the Leafs could potentially trade you to, right? Don't necessarily put 10 teams that you don't want to go to. Put the 10 teams they could potentially trade you to as a negotiation tactic. That's pretty difficult to do on July 1st. Yes.

Like, I don't think you could predict that. Well, put it this way. The list would be a lot different on July 1st than it would be today because the cap situation for a bunch of teams is different. That's what I'm saying. You could theoretically do that. I mean, how many teams can just take on a $7 million player right now? $7 million players have been getting traded for nothing in recent memory.

Max Pacioretty, Marc-Andre Fleury, just Alan Walsh clients. So maybe Willie's fine. Brent Burns was traded for basically next to nothing. That's right. Yeah. Eric Carlson got traded for something. That's right. And I think $7 million player.

You know who got traded as a $7 million player at the deadline last year? Who? That's right. John Klingberg Oh Andre Sooster Yes To the Minnesota Wild

Did he? Yeah That was the trade That was the trade And there was like a I think there was a pick in there Or something Andre Sooster

Dude who's been around forever Who his career Like every now and then He just Pops up On the On the ticker He's like an extra

You know what I mean But like an extra That you've seen in other movies Yeah So it's Character acting Yeah But you're not sure

If you like the character Never in a speaking role You're just Yeah Henchman number two. Jesse, as the GM with ice in his veins, who once in NHL traded Tavares for Lucas Raymond. Yeah. And alienated a bunch of people.

People were so mad at you for that. What would you do here? Like, what do you think? Because, okay, Steve's saying if he starts the year and they're like, well, we won't negotiate in season, trade him immediately. I have a feeling that your opinion of that is not the same. What are your thoughts on it? They're not saying that, though. Like, Lewis Gross isn't saying that.

No, Steve's saying that. Steve's making up this fake scenario, so I don't know. This fake scenario that happens all the time. It does. I don't think they get to that point where they refuse to negotiate. I agree. I think they keep the conversation fluid, and I think they'll get something done. And I don't know.

Has Brad Treliving made the decision that it's about keeping Nylander? It sounds like he has. Yeah. I get that impression. It's not just that Willie wants to stay here. Brad wants to keep him. I kind of also feel like if he didn't, he wouldn't have got the job. That's a pretty good point.

Is that unfair? Like Shanahan is, there's a part to play in all this, right? Shanahan is the guy that, you know, Dubas tried to make the power play against in the corporate ladder and lost and then left. Dubas was viciously loyal to the Leafs core. and the moment he blinked in that regard the moment he alluded to maybe trading one of them it never happened right because shanahan fired him jesse what do you do then i want to know i want to know what it was jesse do you do you think neil andrew ends up traded do you think he ends up signed it's i don't know because it depends on on that number like if it comes down i think

they're gonna land at a reasonable place and the interesting thing about the leaf salary cap is the john tavara's contract that comes off the books next season i find like next season eh it's at the end of the 2025 season at the end of the 2025 season yeah wow john tavara's is a ufa damn and i find that fascinating because where does the time go right and mitch mitch is a little different because i believe like you'll resign and the salary gap will be so much higher than but jt is not resigning for 11 million dollars and john tavara is in that position at the age of 34 going to 35 at that point can sign can sign like a really big reasonable discount i think that's what's happening something that'll be like four million dollars five million six but something

if it's that high i'd be shocked it's gonna be half or somewhere in there of 11 million dollars i think i could see six and with the salary cap going up significantly plus getting an extra let's say it's five million dollars in cap space there's something really interesting that the leafs could be going for here come the 2025-2026 season because you always got to be looking ahead even though you're trying to win every single year and with Nylander on a contract that's something that works for both sides the Leafs can be contenders for like their window here that we think hey it's a three-year window or something like that it's been extended with the Matthews deal and now with Tavares his contract coming a little lower and then the salary cap going up this window here

for the leafs could be an extra four years damn that's really encouraging jesse yeah so i like that i'm putting it there's a lot of there's a lot of upside to getting this nylander done a deal done on a deal that works for both sides and the leafs keeping this window here going throughout this guy all these four guys like their entire primes here's my window where they can win it'll be fun nylander is what he's 28 27 27 okay so my bet is to keep the number low they go five years until he's 32

yeah and I think that they go between eight and a half and nine I think that's where ultimately it settles would you be upset with that that's my guess

I'm going to give you the number and you're going to be shocked you know what there is a player worth giving his jersey number William Nylander give him the old 8.8 put it in the contract

8.8, I would go as high as 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, the whole way through. Just eights repeated with a little dash at the top. Yes. I love that. I would give them that, and I think, I don't know if people would be thrilled with that, but everyone would feel okay with it,

which probably means it's fair. Would you go into the $9 million range? Like, if it was 9-1? It would have to be, like, for it to start with a 9, that's sort of what it would have to be also i think i don't think it would have to be that low the leafs don't want to go beyond four or five years here right no i don't think it makes any sense because you don't want to be in the eight although to be honest with you if he's still a 60 or 70 point player uh come year six of whatever this proposed deal would be what's eight or eight

or close to nine million dollars at that point you know what maybe a player of that ilk is worth that much if the cap is supposed to go up by 20 million bucks in that time like the way with the cap going up um the Leafs are in just like a really interesting spot because you have all these teams like the Sabres for example and what they did with Darlene yeah that are gonna want to lock these guys up to a billion rumor to have done still not done really yeah because I think there was some talk in the athletic I was reading this morning that that like that they were asking kevin adams about how the jake sanderson deal affected it um and like and he's like oh we don't worry about that yes they do but yeah ten and a half a sudden to do much they i bet they get that

done before the season starts and it's a great pr move for the sabers they should get it done but right yeah anyway sorry to interrupt that but i just want to let you know it's not done i'm trying to remember where i was going oh yeah but the leafs don't want to do that you want to do that with like i don't know nyes yeah but matthews marner nealette no no these guys are this is their prime right now right now you're watching the best they're ever gonna be and four or five years from now uh you won't be you'll still be watching elite players maybe even championship quality players guys that could either do it here or somewhere else more than likely somewhere else um but this is the best they'll ever be so why are you signing them to bajillion your contracts

unless they want that and i don't know we've not willing to take what engvall did then sure i'm just gonna say should should the leafs put knives on an engvall contract that would seven years three million per you would never of course not but you would i think they'd request a trade with the offer how dare you insult me crazy deal yeah um yeah okay i just i wanted to know what you guys thought of that because i'm like i'm trying i i think the number is between eight and a half and nine i think that's the easy one the question for me is we don't know how many years we don't have rumors on how many years that contract is supposed to be no keep it low keep it low you know we don't need neilander for seven okay six years so regarding and this is the last thing in the

true living thing um regarding how he wants the team to play uh with the additions of guys like Domi and Bertuzzi and Reeves um he said uh there's a style that I think you need to have uh not only do I think it's a part of what I like but you know if you look around the league there's a type uh of style that you need to have success in the playoffs and that is not changing anytime soon so there is maybe a perhaps I mean he is the the public face of the Leafs management group maybe there's a um some sort of recognition there this is the first admission that i can see where the leafs finally said we're like publicly we're not tough enough in the playoffs because if you look at their actions domi and bertuzzi they would have been players that the least

probably would have looked at before but they didn't necessarily fit exactly what they would go would go for reeves especially yes um and i know people still have tons of questions about that deal that deal you can bury that deal guys don't worry about that deal um the the thing that i find very interesting is the leafs going okay we're tired of getting panthered we're tired of getting bruined we're tired of getting blue jacketed you know what i mean yeah can i just say the new leafs website is awful oh yeah the nhl i was trying to i was trying to look up the home opener and just the nhl uh redid all the websites and they're terrible they arrange it By week?

Yeah. Like the schedule? What are you doing? Yeah, it's terrible. Stop that. Yeah. Anyway, no. So here's what it's going to be.

Okay. I'm ready. Ryan Reeves. Mm-hmm. Arbor Jack guy. Oh, you mean game one? Center ice. October 10th.

Game one. You got like a top five heavyweight in the league near the end of his career and a top five heavyweight in the league at the beginning of his career. They're going to go toe to toe. max domi is going to try to fight i don't know if he's going to find a dance partner tyler bertuzzi is going to piss someone off um and like people are going to laugh at some of the names that i that i'm going to bring up but like sam lafferty fights uh simone benoit i doubt makes the lineup but he fights noah gregor who's on a pto he fights if if you go and look at every

signing true living has made since the beginning of his leaf tenure every one of them fights except for john clingberg john clingberg fights does he fight he absolutely fights not often but he fought matthew kachuk i'm pretty sure oh yeah he did yeah i don't know if martin jones has ever fought that was that's about it yeah like the goalie like i don't know if the goalie fought but if you like i don't have it in front of me like i don't know if lagasin fights i don't know if i forgot how much klingberg and kachuk hated each other now like it was a distraction yeah it's really but if if you go and look like the guys who are going to play higher in the lineup like a bertuzzi or domi or the guys who play near the bottom and may not even make the team all of them fight

i think game one the home opener best case scenario for the leafs and it's been many years since we've said this best case scenario for the leafs is it's anarchy i don't i barely even care if they win so what what are they trying to do if that's the case fuck shit up establish you know will ferrell and uh what was his john c reilly yeah uh when they go for the job interviews and stepbrothers and they say what are you doing here we're here to fuck shit up lose seven two i don't care just make a statement that the leafs have changed I think do you know how many people wouldn't even care that they lost if that's what they did I'm serious there'd be a lot of a lot of very happy uncles yeah we were talking about this

yesterday Jesse's Wendell Clark Wendell Clark and Doug Gilmore are a big reason why a lot of fans don't like this current team well a certain generation maybe yeah it's more than you think I don't think the kids these days are like you know what I miss Dougie the kids these days aren't the only people yeah who exist yeah what i mean yeah yeah 100 that there's a divide you have to admit there's a divide of course and it's generational yeah i think that was the point yeah more of the quote-unquote kids these days are warming up to the idea of they kind of get their ass kicked all the time and it's a contributing factor to why they lose sure i think it's simplifying the florida series down to i wish ryan reeves was out there to beat

somebody up is like we spent a lot of time dissecting that series after every i don't think that's why they lost that series i mean it's part of the reason they lost that series but it's just there's yet another one where they're the second toughest team right right another um yeah you know listen the people loved the fact that that you know doug gilmore and wendell clark used to run around like maniacs um even though they probably shouldn't have been they probably should have had players on that team that were lower down in the lineup a la a Ryan Reeves. Not even big. To fight. No, they're not big.

Marner might be bigger than Gilmore. Marner is bigger than Gilmore. I've stood next to... I'm taller than Doug Gilmore. That's crazy. And he was vicious, man. And before you start talking about weight, I don't think there's more than 10 pounds separating them. Probably not. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. And Wendell Clark's not a tall

man either. He's broad. Very broad. Crazy hands. Yeah. Insanely big baseball mitt. yeah yeah yeah i know i'm i'm really excited for the way the leafs are going to play this year maybe i'm not i'm not on the uh i'm not necessarily on this steve oh if they lose seven two i won't give a shit as long as ryan reeves fills somebody's face in but i do think i don't want them to lose seven two i think i'm walking that one back well i think some people will uh they'll tweet that

like you were serious but i do think you know when you look at no way uh i think when you look at the way that the team's going to play it's going to change significantly the other question i have and they didn't address this in the article i still want to know what they think they have with john klingberg and what bothers me about that signing is matt dumba signed like a week later for the same amount of money i do not know so people i bump into them during the summer and they're like what do you think what's going on and i keep saying no the team is too incomplete like i'm not gonna judge them or whatever uh and it was mainly because of their decor like i look at their decor i'm like ah they're not going into the season with that

and now uh we're a month away from opening night and i'm like all true living said in the article was that it's a work in progress and i think that's putting it gently the thing with klingberg is he does give them something they did not have which is goal scoring from the back end even in his shittiest bad year he had 10 goals last year i think the leafs highest were like lilligren and riley with six yeah they went an astronomical amount of time last season without a goal from their defense it's terrible yeah and that like you can't lilligren score live oh it's like a golden ticket yeah haley's comet collided with the moon they have it was a game time goal against the rangers they haven't had a weapon like a shot weapon from the point like

riley's obviously a machine on the power play he's you know had a season where he had 72 points but um if he's not injured he's he's great i mean you saw him in the playoffs he's unbelievable but they haven't had that like terrifying defenseman threat for a while the problem with john klingberg is he's terrifying when he has the puck and when he doesn't i think they're gonna get yes first of all that's very true uh i think it's gonna be a big season for guys who fuck shit up in front of the net uh because what klingberg does and jeff merrick was always always on this during episodes of ice surfing because for some reason we got a bunch of stars games um klingberg rips the shot on high why that's what he does that's the worst idea that's the

worst thing you can do floats it on high jesus but it's going to be big for guys who know how to tip in a puck okay are you talking like eye level high or are we talking like and hope not are we talking about off the ice in a high eye level no that's just a bad shot yeah eye level is missing the net okay what's high to you because high that's my mind instantly went Crossbar. Nipples. Sure, crossbar. Crossbar.

Then it's legal. But then you got to... See, nipples is better. Yeah. Crossbars. No, nipples. It's got to be nipples. Okay.

Nipples. Rip at nipple height. So you think that... And do we have guys that can do that now? John Tavares is one of them. Matthews is underratedly one of them. You don't think about that because he's such a... The shot is such a highlight.

Yeah. Willie. Willie's great at that. He scores a lot from in close. Bertuzzi can probably get, like, just go to the net. Literally just go to the net. I don't know if, boy, the Leafs, the weapons really do drop off. Oh, you know who does that?

Nyes. Yeah? Nyes could have a real nice rookie season. Well, I sure hope he's stapled to David Kompf and Cali Yarncroke. Yeah, like, again, I keep trying to make my mock rosters, and i i don't know what they're thinking like i don't know what's going on i think because you have a new gm i think there's a really good chance we see like an october november december trade something going on because he's probably got ideas of how he thinks it's going to look

but you don't know until it's out there so i think you wait until you see it and it either uh confirms what you were thinking in the first place or the opposite it i they're a very strange team certainly no question they're a team in transition i mean the roster's in transition it has to be how do you feel if you're a defender used to getting a power play time and you're on a team behind john klingberg and morgan riley yeah but who's that well like like connor timmons like boohoo mark giordano is basically never going to play the power play now yeah unless they have to i think that's fine that's okay 39 year old i agree but like that's a conversation that like i i don't know if mr giordano i forgot i was wearing

a shirt i don't know how he feels about that you know what i mean brody likes his power play time as well yeah i think that's a fine conversation with mark giordano you know i don't think that's a difficult one when he's getting up in age and he's not going to be as useful in that power play you need to save him for more important moments yeah i do get the sense that he probably understands his role a little bit uh in that regard right um probably and and i i i'm wondering about riley on the power play because the last time we did this it was tyson berry and they couldn't get tyson berry going so they took morgan riley out of a position he was extremely successful at the season before which was power play one where he had 72 points not all in the power play but still

pretty good and they made him take a back seat just so they could get tyson berry going and that like so so you know and here's the other thing i think that there is an argument to be made and we should look at it have the leafs tried the one power play and the second unit doesn't really exist thing for long enough you know because they should have two units should they have two units there was a little stretch last season where the second unit was the top unit which has happened and willy was on that often over the last willy was on that right yep yep i don't know just wondering because it seems like maybe they're looking for more of a balance that way given that now i'm i'm always of the belief that you should try to overload and put

all your best players on the eggs in one basket i don't know what they want but you've got two legitimate power play defensemen now what do you do and tyler bertuzzi is going to change all that too because and especially it we don't even know if matthew knives might make a power play too like there's there's a lot more weapons that you can throw around now i think the power play is going to look a lot different does nicky bobby make the team you got to get him his power play cookies Yeah. I like, this is going to be a, I'm, I just stopped myself from committing to preseason LFR videos. I'm not going to commit to that, but like, it's going to be a more fascinating preseason than usual because what this team values is different than what it was before. And the reason I wanted to go through this interview is because I don't know that we have fully heard that from them yet. And now we sort of are getting points.

We've seen it in the action, but sometimes it's important to hear the statement too, right? And what does this team value? I mean, I know Trill Living loves a big, scary defense. Well, look at it this way. If you're like a tweener sort of guy on the Marlies and you know you're going to get some preseason games, here's your opportunity to impress a new set of eyes. Like an entirely new set of eyes Brandon Pridham's still there

But like Shane Doan wasn't there before Brad Treleving wasn't there before Guy Boucher Guy Boucher wasn't there before Who replaced Carberry? I think it was Guy Boucher Who's the other guy?

Mike Van Ryan's in there now too Mike Van Ryan wasn't there before There's another member of management Oh man The guy they got from the Canucks The personnel guy The player person Derek

Derek something Something Yeah He wasn't there before you've you've got an entirely different set of eyes that have entirely different values and look at the game a different way and or similar ways or i don't know it's a brand new opportunity like i think of a guy like bobby mcmahon for example like we all looked at it like okay next season there's a good chance he has an opening night roster spot does this new management

group help or hurt that i don't know i think it's up to bobby isn't it it sure is well yeah but then he has to go through the work of re-impressing everybody yeah good hockey is good hockey right yeah yeah because now you don't now the the people in charge of making decisions don't look as smart if you make it right dubas would have looked like a freaking genius because he got this you know random free agent from out of nowhere and i'm surprised he didn't take him with him to pittsburgh Yeah, he didn't. He did take some members of the Leafs organization with him. Achari.

Achari, and there was a guy who was on a Marley's contract. John Stone, I think. There was a guy who was on a Marley's contract, and he signed him to an NHL contract. Okay. He took a few guys with him. All right. And who could blame him?

He's really smart. Yeah. I think what is going to be great is, you know, in the next couple weeks here, we're going to have rookie camps, and then the actual training camps are going to open, and we're going to start to see what the Leafs want to be. They are not, this organizational group does not have the team that they ultimately want to have.

They're not there yet. They've admitted that, especially with the defense. What I'm curious about is what is it? And what moves do they make now? And what moves do they make at the deadline? And then, and I, if you think, if we could get a November or December trade, that'd be nice because we rarely get them.

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and he said that he expects Connor Hellebrook to be playing for the Jets on opening night. And he said, the narrative took on a life of its own. Obviously, we made some changes to our organization and I think we're situated to be in a real good competitive spot. Our focus is winning. That's what we're all about.

So every challenge we approach, every opportunity, every time we get the chance to look at a different situation, it's about putting us in the best perspective and the best place to win. That hasn't changed and won't change organization so with all that in mind remember that hellebuck and shifley on the last year of their deals and they can walk who said this this is shoveldale at some point narrative became the

number one word used in all of gaslighting what do you mean it's like like that has been a word for a very long time and it just feels like at some point over the last like i don't know four years or so five years everyone learned narrative and abused the shit out of it and used it to gaslight everybody yeah oh yes ah yes the narrative of trading connor hella but you're he's one of the best goalies in the league and your team stinks narrative that's the truth that is what it is man it's just he's stuck on a team with a gm who very rarely does anything what's his oh you that's where the narrative comes from kevin all right sorry i just i get very defensive jesse go the narrative jesse the win back just shouldn't be too bad like i feel

like they should be better than they were last year they're a wild cardish team they should be competitive and i don't know if if you're a chevy like and you have one of the best goaltenders in the world why not try and lock him up oh totally but like what does that make any sense for conor halibut unless they overpay him well and they might have to because i'm curious about what i mean the jets always seem to be competitive no question i think chevy's right on that but like what's the big the big player coming up through the organization what's the future here what's the goal you know wheeler's gone obviously and he you know he's in new york um shifley is you know a cut where a year and a half removed from shifley saying i just need to know what's

going to happen at the end of this year or you know where this team direction is going to be villi heinola just kidding they're still holding them hostage that's right i don't know i don't know i mean i'm curious about the jets but i look at them and i say that the brad also brad lambert their pick from was it last season was pretty good yeah perfetti they have um i say that the the young core not the young core but the core that can win is kind of there right now like you don't need to really move off of a lot you still have cal connor you still have uh eelers you got josh morrissey like those guys are not in their 30s they're in their late 20s and there's still a shot here for them to be decent yeah you know what i was thinking um a match that i think makes

a lot of sense so mark shifley was in a lot of these rumors as well you know who just lost their top two centers the bruins shifley to the bruins to me makes a bunch of sense you have to retain some salary i don't think they can make any salary work right no probably not but he's only at 6.125 for this season then he's a ufa which is obviously not very appealing and he has a modified no trade clause but i don't know to me it just feels like a good match yeah i don't know if you can move shifley retain some assets i don't see the winnipeg jets being too far down the standings where they need to get rid of hellebuck no and and okay and i you have to you have to think that chevy knows what hellebuck's number is like i'm sure he's picked up the phone

to his agent this summer do you recently you think they move on from shy flea for sure no not for sure i mean he might be the bell of the ball of the trade deadline oh yeah well especially it's 6.125 and then trade deadline number and then 50 percent which is like three point less than 3.6 with shovel day of shovel day off too like i don't when was the last time a giant goaltender contract worked out wow i guess it'd be vasilevsky it's funny we look at carrie price and we're like oh man that contract was a terrible idea and he got him to the stanley cup final yeah and we look at sergey bobrovsky and that contract was a terrible idea and he got him to the stanley cup final and vasilevsky i think is the next highest behind them he's behind three straight

stanley cup finals so overall do they work out not really but in a way but every one of them has at least been to the dance they've kind of worked out yeah that's uh it's an interesting one i don't know i think when you have somebody like hellebuck and a lineup that's okay you know because this is the other option you tear it down completely and you try and rebuild i don't think they're in the mood for that at all and i think there's so many pieces that it'd be difficult to do that the i mean the easiest thing to do is like i don't know try to draft well in net like three years out from this situation even being a thing right like so many teams have done that where they very clearly have a guy and then they're like okay well we know that guy's not

going to be around forever we'll draft a guy we'll have it so that he's playing pro and maybe even being this guy's backup and they take over when he's done look at what nashville did with uc sorrows basically perfect like behind pecorino maybe even should have started him before that right vasilevsky behind ben bishop um trying to think of some other examples the jets don't have that they don't have the guy behind them and i just think like you're in a position where you keep them yeah especially it's way more fun to theorize about him getting traded yeah for sure but like it sure does make a lot of sense for him to just stay yeah he will the jets would be putting themselves in a really shitty position yeah yeah and the goal is to win you better keep

him hellebuck is 30 so i would be wary of a very long-term contract but but if you're him if he if he goes to free agency somebody's giving it to him i mean hellebuck and shifley are kind of the perfect trade deadline guys if if the jets falter they are they are they're perfect the other side of the coin is if you do trade them like you said is trade deadline guy and the haul that you could get and if that hall is significant enough where if we just take that and all the pieces we get back and we're competitive in 24 25 why not just do that like do what the blues did basically ah i have a hard time picturing the jets coming out losers yeah this is kind of a win-win situation in this situation and like also unpopular i think they kind of rocked the dubois trade

yeah they did good they got a lot of assets for him really good really good i like velarde a lot i have follows great yeah oh yeah like even rasmus kupari like dude it's uh i'm very interested to see what they do it's it's win-win either direction you go and you trade hellebuck you get so many pieces back you're in a great position where you could be competitive uh next season or you keep them you got a great all-world goaltender you kind of you can't lose yeah i talked myself into liking what they're doing yeah yeah i did not like it at all i did not like it i was just like i don't know yeah and then you trade shifley and you get something too yeah yeah okay so hold on i everything's looking up jets you just put something in my head and i don't i have no prep

for this but i i are the los angeles kings under a ton of pressure to win a lot this year because it feels like they might be well you just spent a lot on dubois and you locked him up long term which is a smart move. You dump the Cal Peterson contract, which, again, smart move. You've got Gavrikov for two more years. You just signed him. It seems like this team probably has a lot more pressure on it

than maybe, because we pay attention a lot to the Oilers because they have McDavid. They've got to win. They've got McDavid. They've got Dreisaitl. How can you waste that? But if you look at what the LA Kings have assembled, you would feel the same way. And I'm wondering what their window is.

I mean, it's probably the most ridiculous center depth in the league. Yeah, it's crazy. Like, yeah, Kopitar, Dubois, Deneau, you could put Byfield in that conversation as well. Even though he's going to probably play wing. Yeah, you've got Brant Clark, who's like a defenseman I'm really watching. I think he's going to be amazing. Yeah, no, they're going to be really... Yeah, but scroll down just a little bit.

Scroll to... Oh! No! Cam Talbot and Phoenix Copley are your goalies. Yeah, I don't know about that. I mean, Phoenix Copley had a great year. He had a great year. Yeah, that no one predicted.

Like, I don't... Well, I don't think anybody predicted that Cal Peters wouldn't be unplayable either. And they got J.F. Berube. Noted Alan Walsh client. J.F. Berube on a... PTO. On a PTO.

Looks like they're waiting for a goalie to be available at the trade deadline again. Yeah, Hellebuck. Oh, they also have Big Save Dave in the minor league system. They have Big Save and David. No way. Yeah, because the Kings are coming off two straight playoffs where they lose in the first round to the Edmonton Oilers.

And they took a step back because in 21, they go seven games with the Oilers. They're very close to winning. And then in 22, they go six games. you know so i think i think their fan base kind of looks at it as we want to take another step here we've been to the first round two times in a row before that we were missing the playoffs and now we got to crack another barrier let's win around this time you're not a little bit of pressure and they're not putting a single one of those human beings that we just mentioned

in front of connor mcdavid in the playoffs no who who was vegas's starting goalie when they when they cut aiden hill yeah i'm wondering if the if the la kings are like yeah we're okay with this yeah like we get guessing well i mean i they listen they have the capital there's a guy a defenseman that everybody wants jordan spence too so yes it'll be between clark and spence and then whoever they think has no they shouldn't trade either they shouldn't but if you get a star goalie no no no this is probably shot young defenseman will get you anything you want no you have first round draft picks for a reason the dubois yeah that's a good point they do have a lot trade like surely at some point they discussed all right well let's try to get a hellebuck too

that must have come up surely and they just weren't able to get it done yeah you imagine what that that deal would have changed like the the the jets completely like that would have been like that you know there was a thing but like i do feel like the the jets are as good or potentially better with some of those guys wait do you mean but if hellebuck is if yes sorry no no i mean the jets the guys the jets have i have followed whatever they i think that they long term will make the team a little bit deeper better to play or harder to play against that oh yeah they're deeper yeah and also they they want to be there more than dubois did which you know it's a factor uh but connor halibut going man what would that have looked like

i don't i you would have it would have had to have been a ton of retention would have had to been probably three teams i don't know how you make it happen okay i don't know how you make it happen without getting rid of a player you would never forgive yourself for giving up unless it's the trade deadline and you're pretty sure you're gonna win the cup yeah yeah that's my thing too okay none of those four guys are beating mcdavid in a seven game series a uh a story that's been i don't know like adam's got a point with if somebody told you hey aiden hill is gonna lead the golden knights to the to the stanley cup you'd probably say the same that's true yeah no and they're starting he beat mcdavid they're starting their starting

goaltender at the time was logan thompson like that's who they went into the playoff yeah and bruce watt is now back in winnipeg i saw that but here's the thing to be starting goaltender i like phoenix copley i like what he brings he's good like him yeah he was good i'm sure he's a nice guy what's wrong what are you talking about by the way it's impossible he's he's like santa claus it's uh with the new nhl site it's like almost impossible to look things up easily anymore it's just man remember when they reformed it like five years ago and it was like man this site's bad

ask me why Phoenix Copley would be like Santa Claus why would he be like Santa Claus because he's from North Pole Alaska listen man the guy was 24-6-3 holy shit really I put him up I had him in my top five

backup goaltenders I think he was like one or two in my top five yeah I thought it was fun I'm like this is going to be fun let's do something stupid How'd that video do? It was July. I was like, what else are we going to do? You only ranked the backups?

No, I did starters too. But I did starters, and I'm like, let's do fucking backups then. And I defined them as goalies that played between a certain amount of games. Phoenix Copley was at the top of that list, man. He was great. That's how good the Kings were, though. It's like, hey, just don't be the worst goalie in the NHL. And Peterson said, oh, nuts.

And then Quick said, oh, shoot. Sorry, my bad. Send me to Vegas, please. And then they're like, well, I don't know, Phoenix Copley. And he's like, I'll try. And then it worked. A story that has, I forgot about this story. And it has to do with you watching your favorite team,

especially if you're in markets like Southern California, Arizona, Florida. A lot of places affected by this. The Valley Sports bankruptcy. We got a bit of a update, which is we don't have an update. Gary Bettman said, if I answer the question now, we might have to have this conversation again in an hour. We're preparing for all contingencies as are our clubs.

The league wants the games to be seen. And this is again, Russo and LeBron. And if diamond sports media can't negotiate these deals with carriage companies, it would be interesting to see how the league reacts. Remember they're going through, they have a bankruptcy hearing as well as their regional sports parent

network negotiation deals with Xfinity and direct TV, which are cable providers. so obviously there's a question of whether they'll be around and then the second thing is can they make money while doing it and so if they're preparing for all contingencies gary betman and bill daly's summer consisted probably mostly of figuring out the coyotes and whatever piece of land they're going to buy to build the arena on and putting together some sort of contingency plan probably team-owned for each of these markets where the games will be broadcast and i was i was wondering like if you have those games and you've got the partners in tnt and espn couldn't they

just throw them on their apps at least they could stream them you can watch i think can't you watch like every nhl game on the espn plus app or whatever but it's the art isn't it out of like isn't there like regional blackouts if bally has it and you live in anaheim and you watch the ducks like that maybe they get rid of their regional blackouts but all right all right we'll do it we'll gladly take the digital highlight rights at sdpn yeah absolutely but it's it's kind of nuts that you know it's september 11th this morning and we don't have an answer on who's going to be carrying these games and the season starts in a month seems bad not great right seems a little bad seems like we should move away from the regional sports model which has blackouts for

some reason yes first of all yes second i know that i was putting my face in my hands and that's because listening to gary betman quotes makes me want to die a little bit i would love to learn he has like a great personality behind the scenes like he does like a rip in pete davidson impression or something like that like he he's just he has something there beyond word salad and nothing i would love to learn that but um i don't know if uh the nhl can be blamed for a bunch of tv stations going completely to put right i mean what do you do i mean it's not their fault baseball's facing the same situation exactly nba as well exactly so yeah but this this i've we've been pretty open about this for a long time like blackouts don't work well yeah people just

steal it man just make it legal yeah it's a really easy one yeah oh well we paid all this money for the digital right they'll just steal it yes they'll i appreciate what you did i appreciate your investment people will just steal it so i want to run you through something so here's this is one way of doing it right which is the regional sports thing you could do it the nfl way though the nfl has six billion dollar media right deals this year wow six of them are over a billion so you've got monday night football on espn that's 2.7 billion you've got the nfl on cbs 2.3 billion nfl on fox 2.1 billion you got sunday night football on nbc at 2 billion you got nfl sunday ticket on youtube 2 billion and then the tnf which is prime thursday night uh 1.2 billion dollars

now I was thinking to myself I'm like wait a second that actually doesn't sound like as much as I thought and then I remembered they play 17 games each and not 82 yeah holy shit holy shit right that's so much money yeah yeah and here's the thing

man if you have if you have I don't know in Canada you can sort of watch it all with one particular provider but there are certainly easier ways to watch the games locally or otherwise i don't know are there blackouts are there regional blackouts in the nfl i never see nfl fans complaining about a regional black in terms like in the states yeah

yeah there are there are regional blackouts like some some games won't be available uh if it's if it's a national game and you have a local broadcast like they choose what's going to be on your actual tv okay you know jesse i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you your your daily nutritional journey starts with what ag1 yeah i knew it i have it every morning now why because it's it's the best like i so i i do a lot of fitness tracking and i find i always get a little spike in my in my results when i have ag1 consistently when you when you take it over a number of weeks and months and and years eventually um you'll see an improvement ag1 replaces your multivitamin probiotic and more with one single simple drinkable habit uh it's science-driven formula

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drinkag1.com check it out. What do you do before you drink it? You shake it! Shake it! We do have an Arizona update but it's not a big one. The league continues to wait for the Coyotes, this is LeBron and Russo again,

to figure out the long-term home in Arizona and supply the ironclad info to the league. Now most of this stuff by the way is not going to be a surprise to you, just so you know but the last sentence is the one I want you guys to pay particular attention to. Give me a moment. Last month the team announced And I told you guys about this press conference last week or press release last week.

Alex Morello executed a letter of intent to buy in Northwest Mesa to possibly build a sports arena and entertainment district in the attempt to do the same thing that they were going to do in Tempe. But, you know, that was voted down. Here's what Bettman said. They're working away at resolving the uncertainty around where they're going to play long term. he said he also added that the league must know definitive plans by mid-season because it needs to focus on buildings next year's schedule this is the part i found the most interesting remember utah jazz owner ryan smith is waiting in saint in salt lake city with open arms if the coyotes cannot resolve this over the next few months betman said that no that's that's russo and

LeBron, but Bettman said we got to know by mid this year because we got to start planning the schedule. Now, I thought that their deal with Mullet Arena was three years. So I'm not sure. It's three more years I think. I thought it was three years to start

so it was last year, this year, and then next year. I think there's some confusion because when they signed the deal, they weren't sure how long the building in Tempe was going to take. And I think they said three years, possibly four. But now Tempe's not even factored into the plans i thought it was a four-year agreement but maybe maybe i'm wrong interesting yeah very very

interesting if the owner of the utah jazz buys the arizona coyotes is he moving them well i think they've got the stadium in utah yeah like where the where the jazz play salt lake city why is this so hard like what cj i think it was cj the first time he said if arizona ever lost the coyotes the nhl would put another team in arizona just try to figure out how to put another team into arizona that's why it makes sense to keep them there exactly so why can't we just get an owner who wants to keep them there in a fucking building i think the owner does why is it so hard I think the owner wants to keep them there. I think this owner does want to keep them there.

I don't think there's any question about that. I don't know. I don't know that he doesn't have the means. I think he doesn't have the plan set up yet. And he's got to move on that. That's included in the means. You got to have a plan. Well, he did.

And it was voted down. Yeah, that's the thing. Where's plan B? Plan B was make it the fuck up. And that's what they're doing right now. That's what they're doing. Listen, if... Sometimes you got to make shit up on the fly.

like i've i've done that i get that if arizona is a viable hockey market which i think we all agree it is yes of course or it very least should be this should be able to get done and we're at like a quarter century of them fucking it up i think there's a difference between a fan base being there for a hockey team and convincing cities to build an arena like there there's there's what the barrier is here right it's a great hockey market but you're convincing city councils and different government regions to build a stadium. With their money?

No, private money. Well, that's what I was going to say. So build it yourself. Yeah, but you need the land. You need the land, which they can't even get the land. They can't get it. They can't get anywhere in this area to build the stadium. This just feels like so many levels of negligence.

You know what I mean? Like we should not. We just shouldn't be. Is that not the first time you've heard Gary Bettman going, they're running out of time yeah he's never setting in close to that no that's true which means brendan shanahan's about to fire him he's finally open to changing something yeah and he's about to get fired by brendan shanahan i think this is significant and by the way hockey will work in arizona it just has to be like you almost wonder like like at this point get four walls and a roof for god's yeah what's the deal man holds a major league amount of people come on they don't play sports

in arizona come on well they got a hockey team down the road that's got 10 000 seater that's pathetic get in a building for god's sake i know the the interesting thing i always find about the suns not finding a home or the suns the coyotes not finding a home is is the phoenix sons were always so reluctant to let them share the downtown arena like there's there's a there's a 20 000 seat arena in downtown phoenix right now i don't think it's situated for hockey like i think they'd have to make renovations and all that but the old owner uh robert sarver was way against that he's out now yeah they have a new guy in there who's all about spending money when god durant and all that stuff over the on on court product is there not something now to just

negotiate hey let's bring the phoenix suns to phoenix coyotes to this where the suns play in downtown i would hope the arena just exists already it seems to make sense i don't know why they haven't considered that option it's weird but now enough time has passed that if you're a local business how do you not view the coyotes as poison how do you not view them as this thing that is going to come and strafe your crops i think you need to do i think it's possible to switch that if that is the and i again you know there is a little bit of unfortunately outside of coyotes fans in arizona there's an irrelevance factor with the coyotes right there's like a we don't even like i tell you that story i'm like hey i went to you know arizona and asked

the person who i thought would know directions to things where do the coyotes play and they were like i don't even know who they are and that was that was in phoenix um it's it's a it's a pr thing You can flip a PR You can flip a brand around in a year or two You just have to have an owner with some money And something exciting happening And a really good PR team To trumpet it out

They can do that They got the best prospect in hockey They do? You know what? He is great He's legitimately going to be a star But Connor Bedard Exactly. Jesse, you look like you're looking at something I was just trying to find some info On why they can't share the Footprint Center

I believe it's called now Where the Phoenix Suns play Back in 2022, Gary Bettman spoke on it and said that the Suns have no interest in sharing the arena with the Coyotes It would require construction, which would have to be done by the Suns So there would have to be some sort of agreement by the Coyotes probably to pay for it Which would be millions of dollars, and they're like, why can't we get our own arena for all this? So there's a lot of back and forth, but with this Phoenix Suns new owner, I think there's another door that can be opened here It makes a lot of sense

i don't know just from an outsider's perspective i'm sure people within the phoenix area know a lot more on this but there's good there's a lot of hurdles to to get them in there but it makes a lot of sense this sounds fucking share the downtown phoenix arena this is gonna sound stupid but i'm gonna ask the question has anybody called them i feel like i feel like i remember a story from like may the spring because sometimes people are like you know you know when we found out that not all GMs call each other, a lot of the times it's the agents brokering the trade. Right, yes. Would it surprise you if nobody had simply

called the Suns owner? If you were the Suns owner, wouldn't you charge an arm and a leg? Sure. Because they have, the Coyotes have absolutely no leverage whatsoever. How much is building a stadium going to cost? Billion? Billion dollars. Right. So it'd be less

than that. Your memory is very good, Steve. You're remembering an episode of 32 Thoughts from May. May 17th Elliot Friedman provided an update on the issue When all of this was going on they got rejected from Tempe They had called

Phoenix Suns owner Matt Ishbia And they had talked to the Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith about using Vivint Arena in Utah And that one's even worse than the Phoenix situation Because if you remember the pictures that came out at the time One half, it's a Barclays Or it's the old Brooklyn situation

Where half the thing is covered So that's not ready But they did call Matt Ishbia, and Gary Bettman had a conversation about if it's going to be ready. This was the quote from 30 Thoughts. I wouldn't be surprised if Gary Bettman and the NHL, if they haven't already, met with him to gauge his interest in supporting the idea of turning the Suns' current rink into a facility that can also support the Coyotes. So, I assume Bettman's been on the phone at some point to talk to Ishbia over the summer as well, trying to gauge that. What a headache. It's a headache.

Yeah. if i was betman i would hire someone just just to do that delegate this yeah delegate the entire thing like what percent of the work he does on a week-to-week basis is just the fucking coyotes i would literally just have a person dedicated to managing that headache what a pain in the ass it's it is it's and it's been it's been just a thorn in their side for years i'll never forgive them for making me feel sympathy for Gary Bettman. I'll never, never forgive him. Out of all these solutions,

going to Scottsdale and being the party team makes a lot of sense. Oh my God, it'd be great. And two, building an arena in Scottsdale is one. And two, moving in with the Suns. Like to me, those are blanket. You got two great options. Do one.

No. Or no. No. Fucking move to Houston. I think they're going to stay And I think it's going to have to be the Suns, man. It has to be. Why are we building?

And also, what are you building in another arena for? It's Scottsdale. It could be cool. Scottsdale would be cool. Yeah. All right. We'll see what happens. I'm trying to look up Mesa.

Also, a highlight. There is an article in The Athletic about former Leaf Peter Holland and why he signed the PTO. And I think you should check it out at some point. Ooh. Yes. Really, really good. Really great story and nice to see. And he hasn't played professional hockey for years.

He retired in 2022 officially. COVID obviously made things really difficult. He's playing over in Sweden and couldn't see his family and had a kid and all that stuff. But it's a really great story. And if you're looking for somebody to root for this year, Peter Holland's your guy with the Avalanche on that PTO. It's pretty cool.

So he's not retired anymore. He's not. He is unretired. He's unretired. He's Holland-ass for the Avalanche. Oh, Holland-ass is pretty good. Get it? Yeah.

I'm warming up. I'm warming up. You can say he's got the sauce. The Holland-ay's sauce. Stop it. It's pretty good. Optimo Belisk. That was his last team?

Mm-hmm. Oh, Yekaterinburg, Optimo Belisk, Joffrey Lupul played nine games there and then decided, I don't want to play here anymore. He had a good career in the KHL. Those are really good numbers for the game. And then he played for Jurgarden. Who is partial owner of Jurgarden? Matt Sundin.

Matt Sundin, that is correct. That is absolutely correct. And I know that because I had a Matt Sundin book in like grade five or six. Nice. And I learned that, you know, he was playing. That was his hometown team, right? And he used to also like to play bandy, which is like a Swedish sand hockey game. And then.

It's on the ice as well. Oh, is it? Yeah. Okay. When he moved to Canada, we moved to Quebec. The thing that he missed the most was Swedish meatballs. That's the only thing I can remember from that book. I believe that.

So there we have it. Well, you know, no good food to have in Quebec. That's right. No. Yeah. It's unfortunate you didn't go to the culinary capital of Canada, Matt. Yeah, very unfortunate. Jesse, let's do the press conference.

There it is. Yeah. SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. This is from our Discord server and the Press Conference Questions channel. Go to sdpn.ca to join us on Discord. Heller4444 writes, with the first initials of the first name being A-M-N-T, that's Austin, Mitch, and Tyler. Okay.

Austin, Mitch, Tyler. Should the first line be known as the money line? I like that. I like that. You know, the betting tie-in, I like that. I'm so stupid. I'm like, what's amped? ATM!

I'm a dumbass. I like it. I'm not a smart guy. No, I liked it. I like it. Tyler, why don't you just write it out, Austin, Tyler, and Mitch? What's amped? This is from Scott, Scott T-H-H-H.

Are you coming to Sweden for the Leafs-Stockholm games? Steve has said this a number of times. I plan on it. I absolutely plan on it. I was looking into flights. There don't appear to be any direct ones, so that's cool. No, like, listen, here's the holdup. I don't want to book the trip until I know I have credentials for it.

And we've never gotten credentials from the NHL. and uh frankly we should well at very least for these two games of sweden especially if i'm if i'm willing to pay as a media organization to go to sweden we got like 70 000 views on a simone benoit video give us credential yeah but the but the portal is not open yet right that's why i haven't applied because i can't apply it i expect to be there okay you can go as a non-media person yes but have you considered fuck that this question

comes from Caden FTW Caden for the win what are Steve's thoughts on the new CM punk drama what happened there you ever just get sick of someone's shit I'm sick of his

shit because he was like the biggest star for a while yes he was the biggest star for a while in WWE yes And then he went away for a long time and he told his side of the story on a podcast and he got sued and his friend got sued and he didn't help his friend out after getting sued. And then he makes his triumphant comeback in AEW after years and years. And he's very popular and everyone loves him. And then you find out there's some friction behind the scenes with other wrestlers and guys who have a lot of influence. and uh there's a fight at a at a pay-per-view called all out and they called it brawl out

i like that yeah because they got into a fight and then he went he went away in part because he was suspended and in part because he had an injury to be taken care of he goes away for like nearly a year and like aew is going to terminate his contract and he's just going to quit and he's just going to go to wwe and no one knows what's going to happen and actually he's gonna come back and then he finally comes back and he lasted like a month or maximum two months before getting into another physical altercation behind the scenes at a pay review oh god so uh aew finally terminated his contract and like i'm sure we're gonna learn more supposedly there is footage of this incident which there wasn't for the first one it hasn't

been leaked i would love to see it um oh and the guy who he got into a fight with backstage jungle boy jack perry do you know who i don't think i know him no luke perry's son no way yes oh wow like 90210 yes and oh like the actor yeah oh fun damn wow his son's a wrestler nice Yes Yes so like I'm just At some point the common denominator Of all the drama is one person That's what it comes down to

CM Punk has been doing this throughout his career And eventually we gotta be all like Am I the problem? Like CM Punk is the problem He like you said He came back in June And that was from being away for nine months And then you're already back and you're suspended You're getting into another brawl

It's you dude Figure it out And, like, maybe this is going to be unpopular to our wrestling portion of the fan base. He's not good enough to be this much of a pain in the ass. He was at one point. Yeah, but he's not anymore. Is it a little bit like James Harden with the Sixers? Like, he's not a leading scorer in the league.

Why are you being such a pain in the ass? You can't make these demands? It's like he's legendary on the mic. He's incredible at, like, shoot-style promos and everything. but AEW um is mostly driven by in-ring work and his in-ring work does not live up to what the other guys in AEW do he's not the Young Bucks he's not Kenny Omega he's not Jon Moxley he's not MJF who can do both he's not Bryan Danielson uh he's not Hangman Adam Page he's like there's so many true quality wrestlers in that organization so like the better match for him might actually be

wwe and he's 44 now like that's not that old for wrestling no but like he's peaked cm punk was the he'll never be bigger he was the world heavy world heavyweight champion of wwe in 2011 yeah like that's that's that's when he peaked as a superstar and then he retired for five years and then now he comes back and he thinks he's still that well and he drew like that like he's still a draw he's still a draw uh especially in chicago and that was the other thing they made the decision to fire him right before a bunch of shows in chicago where he's from yeah it was uh so that sounds like a little on purpose but like chicago well it was really unfortunate it was really unfortunate um and like he's thunderously popular there he gets booed in

most other arenas we we boot him in toronto he got booed in toronto at forbidden door well there you go where he had a match that was not close to one of the better ones on the card again like he's it's in ring work in aew and he's not there i got 100 c wwe taking him back just for the pop like a hundred percent oh it'd be like they don't care it'd be seismic yeah it'd be and get rid of them at the first sign of trouble they don't care yeah no a hundred percent it could happen within i don't know next couple months the interesting thing there is like him and triple h uh like buttheads a lot and i don't think they like each other and there's a lot of bad blood there it sounds like hunter's not really running show over there no no it's vince mick certainly

should be in prison mcmahon yeah um and it's a bad situation did we all forget that the wwe and the ufc are merging uh dude okay they're what we're we're in we're in a really interesting age of wrestling like this is the best wrestling has been in many many years across the board wwe after many years of being just a straight up shit product is fantastic right now aew is fantastic right now there hasn't been a competitor as big as aew since wcw in the 90s um but yeah vince mcmahon like just yeah like human garbage on the highest of levels like i have a every time i want to go to a like a wwe event i'm like fuck i don't want to give vince money yeah it's unnecessary and ufc's been impossible to follow and like especially after this weekend oh wait i don't know if you

saw that bullshit what happened yeah uh just a string of misogynistic things and homophobic things yeah the f slur was used in the ring on mike twice twice two different guys two different guys yeah um yeah it's just it makes it i can't enjoy the sport because of all the bullshit around and then because and then you have the guy at the top who comes back dana white being like you know what they're they're they're fighting each other they're all just riled up i was like no you don't to make excuses for these guys it's fucking pathetic he has a slap league oh yeah there shouldn't be a slap league it's actually the dumbest fucking thing i've ever seen but out of all the people to have a slap league he should have it the least

like it's just it's fucking brutal yeah there's no supporting the ufc and then yeah wwe is run by a monster and you're like oh these two things are awful it's all fucking stinks i just want to watch wrestling man it's all fucking stinks what other questions do we have jess that's it is that it all right fine fine we're gonna end on that note come on jesse one more i don't know give me a better question about these two two entities and now they're together they're just just cool um isn't that great i'll read this no we need an emergency question yeah we do crazy canuck okay crazy canuck wrote the rugby world cup has started changed my mind in the show it started on friday and was wondering whether any of you have watched

a match i thought you guys would find it interesting how the referee is treated much differently in rugby with usually only the captain being able to talk to him that's how it's supposed to work in hockey that's what the letters are for the tmo on field review is done on the big screen for everyone in the stadium to see. And the referee makes the decision in consultation with his assistants. The explanation of what happened and the conversation

he has with the team captain is then broadcasted on the TV for full clarity. Old Manta followed up and said, South Africa and Scotland are tomorrow. Would be a great match for Steve to watch since he has Scottish heritage. I do not. My son does.

Your son does. Your wife. Your wife does, yes. Anyways. rugby world cup happening any interest uh yes yeah lots of interest it's um it's hard to find it's hard to find in canada where do you watch it like you got to make an effort right right like you'll you ever been in a bar and it's just on it's happening maybe once or twice my entire life you know what i mean and it's on like very often uh like if it's on in australia or something you can watch it live at the bar at like something like 11 or 12 at night sometimes or maybe they'll they'll do a replay no i have not been watching but i would love to

it's a great result from the uh scotland south africa game oh it's over oh it happened yesterday oh that's not good at all 18 to 3 for south africa no yeah you guys struggled um i read an insane story this morning about rugby because of the the whole thing happening yeah yeah yeah do you want to do you want me to read it to you sure okay so uh i guess before the 2003 rugby world cup south africa which is always sort of a force in it uh sent their players to a three-day training camp which was described as hell sounds great so here's how we start okay at gunpoint what why i i know why i know why at gunpoint why is it it's not that serious they stripped the squad naked starved them and then forced them to fight each other it sounds like human

rights abuse uh yeah yeah uh so they were on arrival they were blindfolded ordered to crawl down a gravel path uh a voice growled into the megaphone welcome to camp barbed wire when the players were slow to get on their hands and knees regret agreeing to hear this yes me is also the guards fired their guns in the air this was supposed to make them tough for new zealand because they were playing new zealand so they're like we're gonna toughen you guys up for new zealand um they were then stripped naked ordered to fight each other in their positional rivals in a bare knuckle fight um uh then they uh left them freezing in the bush naked at night and then they gave them two chickens and a box of matches and said there's your dinner

like but the chickens were alive the fuck i know this is the most bizarre what did what did the un think of this well i wondered about that i'm like how is this allowed and this is this is their national team i don't want to ask this question but here goes did they win uh the they were after the three-day camp they were described as utterly broken and comfortably dispatched by new zealand in the quarterfinals okay oh they lost they lost after all the worst ending to that story would be and then they won no they they all the players say it killed them yeah no i'm glad the lesson is that's fucking insane is that crazy don't do that to human beings what could be the possible good outcome of that but anyway that's what i that's how intense rugby where did you read that

that is a um a multiple newspaper report but it was pulled together by something called the upshot um what the upshot is like uh they tell the crazy stories behind the scenes stuff in like european football and uh a lot of stuff on um it's a it's it's a great no no it's actually i just wanted to see if it came from like truth social no it didn't come from truth social no it's isn't that nuts it's crazy tweeted by tony d No No it's not But it's a true story

Yeah Thank Yes Matty's right Yes You wanna wrap it up Matty? Yeah Here we wanna hear another one

Italy beat Nambia 52 to 8 Damn Oh Still couldn't have been worse Than watching the Steelers Play yesterday Which was horrible

Yeah that's Horrible 52 That's such a long day There should be a mercy rule Nope Get your ass kicked How long a rugby game?

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