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P, the Steve Dangle podcast with your host, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Darren Radish, you are a Toronto Maple Leaf. We're in a brave new world. We are. We're... Traits? Okay.

Traits? No, here's the thing. It's not just traits. Kyle Dubas in particular loved a five o'clock news dump. Oh. loved it and i'm convinced he did it on purpose and i'm thrilled with this new administration for that reason alone i think it's a hundred percent keith pelly yeah he's trying to make noise in the market and i know he knows media very well by uh working under him in media yeah

that he's probably could it be his time at tsn and sportsnet he's probably definitely maybe a hundred percent doing this on purpose yeah i'm very much into it i'm into it we're recording at 10 a.m yeah and uh that's great it does make my mornings bloody chaos but it's a lot of fun well let me ask you this before we get into the what happened just before uh what was the last time when was the last time a maple leafs defenseman had double digit power play goals like darren radish did double uh canadian uh uh leafs defenseman any handedness any handedness brian mccabe yes when wow when and how many oh five oh six eleven eleven is correct what wow oh six oh seven steven well done very impressed

very impressed let's go darren radish became a toronto maple leaf officially this morning is released on twitter and the insiders had it first to uh the leafs will send a 2026 that's just year's fifth round pick to tampa they had 133rd overall yes and it's very important it is toronto's fifth overall or sorry fifth overall fifth round pick uh for the rights to darren radish obviously they they signed him it was rumored for a long time i think dregs was on it saying that you know they coveted darren radish but they got the sign in trade done and i think that that's really interesting now they have signed him to an eight year uh deal worth 68 million dollars it's roughly 8.5 million dollars a season and uh that is a very interesting amount of money because you know

people were speculating this is a guy if he hit open market was going to get over 10 and he had a breakout season with the tampa bay lightning obviously last year getting 70 points uh 22 goals and you know he did that on you know a formidable regular season team specifically you know kucherov had an unbelievable unbelievable and they had he had more points than all but three tampa players one of them won mvp one of them was an american olympian one was a canadian olympian so yeah it's a good list pretty stacked team yeah uh the funny thing to look is when you're looking at his stats and you see 22 goals last season and then you go to his career stats and he has 35 goals his career high was six yeah heading into the unbelievable season so this deal is not without

its risks but let's start with the good stuff the good stuff is darren radish is going to be paid like a second line right shot defenseman by the way yes he does shoot right he shoots right best offensive defenseman right-handed since blank i know my answer well it was mccable lefty nope uh yes yes he was it couldn't be dion lefty oh he was a lefty boria i think maybe is kenny johnson a lefty i don't know like i i my answer is pavel kubina oh okay that's how far back that's a good one that's still a good one still 20 years uh he so so he's going to be paid because because people are going to are going to take this the wrong way he's paid like a second line uh right handed shot defenseman or a one a the the actual number one guys the guys who are truly number one

on any team you're talking mccarr warrensky yeah those contracts are going to be in the 17 to 20 million dollars so that's you know at least double digit 8.5 million i mean well you will get to him but bo byram's asking for over 10 right and i know he's younger but that's all i'm going to say is that there is this is a as much as there is quote unquote risk with the long-term part of this deal part of what brings the aav down is the fact that there's the eighth eight year you can still do that by the way those eight-year contracts until september 15th of this season or this year and i think um the other thing he brings is a you got you got the puck moving b you've got a hundred mile an hour plus shot sometimes from the point which is kind of canon they've not had that in a

long long time or 100 kilometer an hour whatever what shoots right it's it's mild it's it's fast okay uh and it's only eight percent of the cap and that's this season that's the highest it'll ever be right and it's going to keep going down this this deal is cheaper based on percentage of the cap than morgan riley 7.5 million dollar cap hit when he signed it right right so and they always look the teams internally look at it as a cap percentage thing the other thing is you have to uh is that darren radish's underlying numbers were good for a long time and that's why tampa gave him a shot now one thing that people are pointing out and I think they're right to point this out Jesse and Steve is that when Julian Breezewa moves on from a player and doesn't want

to pay a player I think his the last offer to him was just over six million dollars um does that give you a little bit of pause because I you know you don't have to be a Tampa Bay Lightning fan to realize that Julian Breezewa is one of the best general managers in the league or do they have potentially had been back they've got younger guys taking steps forward and they don't necessarily need to spend the kind of money the Leafs did it gives me some pause because the Boston Bruins are happy to just pull the pin on the grenade and go here you go have fun like uh you look at I'm so suspicious of the Bruins you look at how Carlo's done right it's not just the return everyone focuses on the return let's focus on he has not been a good leaf right that that's the key

thing what was ottawa's achilles heel this year uh d a goaltending goaltending goaltending yeah goaltending yeah injuries so they took this vesna nominated i think vesna winning goalie and they traded them in division have you lost your mind yeah and bruins are like yeah we're really stupid wink and just yard sale the team season basically my answer would have been injuries for ottawa ottawa yeah but you're you're a bit of an apology they did have a lot of you're a bit of a they got down to their ahl defense corps is what they had to play by the end of the season yeah and then all mark turned around his season by the end of it and he was not the reason they lost in the carolina hurricane no i know this isn't a conversation to litigate the ottawa

senator season so i want to move past it no i think we should do that because jesse just pandering to a new market he's found his next pandering market no no that's happening for life lane hudson lane hudson yeah does radish make more or less than lane hudson right now uh i think he makes uh slightly slightly less but people are making that comparison i'm like yo lane hudson first off lane hudson should have never signed that contract number one yeah number two lane hudson was a restricted free agent yeah a little different i mean i don't have a justification for that like damn good for them but as for Radish like 8.5 if you told me last week regardless of the team uh he signed with Darren Radish is going to sign for 8.5 million dollars as a free agent

I'd be like damn I hope the Leafs get him like at 8.5 million dollars the numbers that were out there were terrifying right because his career high he had a couple good seasons before this one people kind of forget that like yeah it was six goals but it was 33 and 37 points that's very good especially as a right-handed defenseman i would expect that guy to go to market and get a ton of money maybe not 8.5 then he goes up and what was it 22 goals and 70 points spend the money the leafs have lost for a very long time okay they've had some good regular seasons but they haven't made it to the third round for a very long time the last time they made it to the third round their clear advantage they had over nearly everybody else was they could

spend more money than you spend the money i've kind of been team spend the money for at least a few weeks now just looking around the league and seeing how they have cap space and i'm like just just go out and do it it's it takes time and a little bit of luck and a lot of skill to draft well it takes time and a little bit of luck to trade well just spend the money well i have to say the thing that that really opened my eyes was jesse pulling up that chart of how the canes and the vegas golden knight put together their teams and it was trades i mean there was some good draft picks for the canes for sure a couple free agency signing but but even if you want to go back further than that have a mix um you look at the way tampa built their team you

know that some of them were great signings like you know yanni gourd out of nowhere and whatever but getting stealing brandon hagel from the chicago blackhawks but um you know you look at uh florida matthew kachuk trade uh you know gus forsling waivers pickup um they had barkoff other than him like there's not a lot of draft picks from florida in the florida lineup and i think um i think if if you're going to win more trades than you lose and listen we don't know how this is going to work out we hope it's going to be great sure feels good this morning um i think that that's a really interesting start and what the leafs were and we talked about this under true living what pelly's biggest mistake last season was not recognizing he had a general manager in

freeze mode a general manager paralyzed by the decisions that he had to make what i like about what's come in here and cj kind of referenced this yesterday cj and julian by the way recorded in person yesterday always great to have them in um is that you don't necessarily have the same adherence loyalty to what has already got you here and you shouldn't because the Leafs were terrible last year but also to the players involved right this is this is now my chance if I'm John Sheik and Matt Sundin to remake this team in my image and what I want to see And so, you know, well, I couldn't trade Matthew Nyes because that's a part of our process, which was such a huge part of what the Toronto Maple Leafs were before. We couldn't move off Marner. We couldn't move off Nylander, right? After 2021 or 2022, because there's been such a shakeup in the front office, they are looking at this much differently, clearly. And it's nice to see them go out and be aggressive on somebody. This is Toronto Maple Leafs. it's super exciting like I sort of said this last episode I'm like listen as a Leafs fan this was in

reference to Jim Hiller getting hired I was like as a Leafs fan I'm I'm a little terrified as a content creator this is Christmas like this is it's exciting yeah the every group chat I'm in is a buzz like if the if the goal here was to cause a racket in the fan base get us thinking get us get us talking a different way get us debating um it's working that is a little bit of the game isn't it oh yeah yeah yeah i think it's a little bit of the game now uh one one thing i wanted to briefly touch on you mentioned your timeline is just full of lightning fans who are upset about this there are some lightning fans that are mad because he was so great for them he was very good i uh loved him in the habs lightning series uh let's talk a little bit

about that because you you got a real close-up look at him in the playoffs and that's what i want to focus on like it's great that he did great in the regular season but the playoffs have been the achilles heel for the toronto maple leafs and if we want to get back and actually be successful what happens he he had a disappointing series in terms of offensive production i think he only had a goal and an assist in those seven games but he just kept firing the shot and he wasn't the only lightning player who couldn't bloody score on dobish and when some things went away for tampa like their their power play i i thought most of their offensive problems ran through nikita kucherov right or rather didn't um and that was part of the reason i was like man mike matheson's

actually really underrated because i thought he was stapled to him a lot um he's not going to take any crap i don't know if he's a fighter i don't know if he's a big hitter but like he he's a he's a the lightning have a bunch of guys who just aren't going to take shit right and they're gonna get into a lot of scrums and they're just they're gonna stand up for them will radish take shit no he's not gonna so he's kind of mean yeah i need kind of mean yeah i don't need a dumb ass penalty mean yes that's all you need is like if someone pushes you are you gonna push them back for god's sake yeah right which wasn't always a given on last year's least roster so he'll at least do that bomb of a shot like real old school in that regard we need that bad

I was talking to somebody this morning at least the option of it that having him and Matthews on the same power play and it will open up Matthew's shot because there'll be two threats well I think it's very interesting well because what was the stat going around Riley's the the most amount of power play goals Riley ever had in a season was three I couldn't believe and he had over 20 goals 20 goals yeah how is that possible he was a rush scorer I think so now you got Willie probably on the left you got matthews probably on the right or switch them who gives a damn and you got radish at the point who can move a puck too you got tavaris net front or uh or like side of the net or bumper you got nice side of the net or bumper if he doesn't move right because who knows

he could get traded tomorrow i think i think tavaris will be front of the net and then we'll be there and then there'll be a bumper up high i don't know if it's going to be nice though i have no idea right it all of a sudden it's you have a lot of options there Riley bless him like that shot was just not an option it wasn't an option well and that's how you could neutralize the Leafs power play is let Riley have the puck it wasn't a threat let him have it it was not cover the other guys yeah and where's he gonna do or what's he gonna do he's gonna throw him off the pins or send it to the perimeter right you need someone back there to be an offensive option and i think it's very interesting that they go out and they get jim hiller and everyone's like well

the power play the power play look how he doesn't the power play the power play and the first thing they do is they go out and they get a really aggressive hard shooting offensive defenseman right so i like it spend the damn money and if you're the lightning you know why trade him in division he was probably my guess is he was only going here and the lightning got something for him jesse given the uh the discussion especially since the panthers series between the leafs and panthers uh where it was became clear that nobody wanted to play in toronto are you decided are you are you surprised that somebody actually wants to play here uh no because i don't think that's real at all and darren radish went through a lot uh this year his father passed away and he's from

toronto so it's great to see a guy who wants to be close to family at this stage of his career and he has the assurance that now for the rest of his career he's going to be a toronto maple leaf and be close to home which i think is awesome and i think very transparently now that he has done this deal is done with toronto he was always going to sign with them free agency and it's smart by julian briseois to get something instead of nothing yeah if you knew this was going to happen on july 1st at uh as soon as the clock ticked over to when you can sign it because there's no tampering that happens uh before that no the ever talks uh you might as well get something for that asset so i think good job by tampa to do that remember when dubas refused to get something

yes just out of stubbornness yeah and speaking of other gms like this this trade is on the surface of when it happened i'm like oh thumbs up it's good because we spent two years with a gm who sat on his butt and did nothing and the doing nothing resulted in the least getting the first overall pick which is not where they want to be they want to be in the playoffs so i'm just happy that chaika's here doing something and he's making bold moves which is good you want to see that and i don't mind at all if your right side to start the season is radish tan of carlo if carlo's done on the third pair that's perfectly fine i think that's a better role for him at this stage now that we know kind of what he is since he came over from boston and then if your left side is

maybe probably mccabe and then blank in that riley trade and then you have oel there andre amil amil amil andre an option on both sides sure amil andre like ideally for me amil andre is kind of your six seven defenseman you think you're figuring something out because you got i you're going to do something with with Riley there right you are so are we are you running um McCabe OEL Andre I don't know I think you can get a little better than that and it seems like Chica's doing everything he can to make it as good as possible today in the in the video I shot this morning I was trying to figure out their decor the way it's currently designed and I wasn't able to do it no I don't think they're done and like one you're one injury away from we got to pull

Emil Andre out of the lineup so he gets an injury and then you're stuck with what you know so and like let's say you go radish mccabe well do you go oel tanev well that's really old and also they did play together this year and it wasn't very good and so what okay do you do radish with oel i don't think that makes sense i don't it's not done no at all no it's not close and that's good because that means checkers are going to do more with this roster and last year's roster had its limitations and the way craig brube coached and the way the roster was constructed it needed otherworldly goaltending over the last couple years to actually be in contention and hopefully now with a guy like this on the power play you can fight through those things yeah where you're

just overall good offensively whether it's on special teams whether it's at five on five and you have a threat in different ways and you don't just have to win the great goaltending you went out and you got the most coveted defenseman for this upcoming free agency and you have the first overall pick it's pretty cool that's great nice and he happens to shoot right and he shoots right like the bar for right-handed defensemen in this market is unbelievably low on but like when i say pavel kubina best offensive right-handed defenseman they've had name name a better one we've played this game a few times name a better one yeah name forget offensive forget i even said that name a better one is it tanev he's not offensive is it luke shen one or 2.0 no uh is it michael koska

is it igor ozhanov is it nikita zaitsev it's a low bar man catastrophically low absolutely i'm into getting this player everybody's talking about darren radish's really hard shot so i went on nhl edge and i pulled up uh some data and i want to give you this one oh that makes me from 145 kilometers per hour to 161 kilometers per hour darren radish's first place with the amount of shots in that range last season he had 96 shots in that range last season the next closest yeah was evan bouchard with 51 so that is the gap between how hard darren radish is shooting consistently and the next closest player in the nhl so 96 times darren radish shot it in that shot range which is the second highest uh we go from there it's just you're setting guys who are

you're shooting guys guys who are shooting above 161 kilometers per hour so darren radish had 96 instances then bouchard at 51 tage thompson at 44 eric carlson at 40 and then we trail off there with a bunch of guys in the 30 now so he just cranks the thing the hardest shots last season i'll give you those numbers they're fun uh tyler clevin had the hardest shot last season 166 kilometers per hour darren radish very close 161 kilometers per hour sometimes life throws your curve balls and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to repel down and clean all the windows but they

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uh it's darren radish in 2014 wishing connor mcdavid a happy birthday they were ohl teammates and apparently are very good friends to this day interesting now listen if you're the toronto maple leafs yes i don't think you're going we're going to be a stanley cup contender next year you want to be in the playoffs you want to be in the picture you want to be in the fight but are we are we like oh yeah they're dallas level oh yeah they're carolina level oh yeah the florida panthers are coming back. Do we think they're going to be that level?

Right. This is a build back to, I think, this coming year, you got to get back in the playoffs. The next year, you got to be a cup contender,

keep Matthews, that sort of thing. The other thing that the Leafs and any other team that thinks they might have a shot at Connor McDavid should he become available, despite what Bob Stauffer

said about the extension coming next summer, you have to at least think about and consider creating a team that Connor McDavid might want to hang out at.

You know? You know what? i might i might go there that seems cool they they might win you you can't have it's like when lebron became a free agent when giannis was a pet potentially going to become a free agent and then never did you always still have to at least consider that the best player in the world might become available and you might want to be ready for that leave the door open and crash yeah i'm not saying it's going to happen so radish was part of an unbelievably stacked erioters team in 16 17 that actually didn't have mcdavid on it he they won didn't they they won uh alex

de brinkett was on that team anthony sorelli was on that team eric cernak was on that team dylan strome was on that team so they're all coming to toronto too all of them okay great every single one of all right now uh okay let me ask you this especially the one that plays for your favorite team toronto fans have and and and outside fans of our age group love the fact that toronto fans have this which is long-term contract ptsd and we didn't used to have it but really um like you know when the cabina and and i remember hal gill being signed and stuff like those were like three and four year deals no big deal they were short but i remember and this is an infamous quote if you're a leaf fan of my vintage at 38 when dave nonis brought in david clarkson

and they said well hey seven years is a long time and he said i don't care about the last three years of that deal and in a vacuum not something i would admit publicly in a vacuum i actually completely understand that yes still don't say it the problem became for toronto maple leafs fans and management the first four years of that deal which were not great all of them and david clarkson great person love david clarkson but it just did not work here stop doing that i'm doing it yeah that's irrelevant that deal stunk and ever since every long-term deal people go and i even saw this with tavaris i remember we were pumped we were pumped but people were like a contract could be real bad and you're six and seven and by the way it turned out to be pretty

good people were like yeah slightly overpaid and now he look at him he's he's well underpaid again um uh with this one i think it's fair to apply that sentiment to this contract i genuinely could care less about anything beyond the next 24 months because until austin matthews is signed to a longer extension which he can't sign until next summer anyway i don't really care well and because here's here's what you can do with a bunch of cap space which the nhl used to not have right you can move contracts now yeah even bad ones i wonder if it's front loaded i don't know we haven't seen those yeah what do you guys think about that are you like people like all this contract's gonna age like milk do you care spend the money jesse what do you think no i think it's

it's proven that like who cares about the last couple years of these deals because eventually your franchise is going to be in a different spot to where you're moving out guys at trade deadlines because you're no longer a contender or you need to keep them around because you are contender or he's injured and goes on ltir i don't think anybody's thinking beyond the next couple seasons with a contract like this no and like if you're worried about him's play falling off like i wouldn't be too concerned about that his numbers in tampa like they weren't what they were last year at any other point in his career but he was given the opportunity this season in tampa he played more minutes than he'd ever played he took a hundred more shots than he had ever

taken wow and he had the opportunity this season in Tampa to show who he was and he developed this great shot and now he is that player currently so you're just hoping that over the next couple seasons he just continues to build on that or just stay where he is his underlyings were always like the last couple of years strong right and no headman last year yeah I guess is you know part of the reason yeah but the Leafs will give him the same opportunity right if you look at previous time on ice that he played it was 10 minutes though the four game uh 21 10 22 seasons that doesn't really count but in 82 games he played 19 and 23 24 17 minutes in 24 25 and then last year he became a 22 minute a night guy took 212 shots this is the number i was referencing

and then the year before he had 108 shots so it's just proving like hey if you give him the chance to throw pucks on net his shooting percentage jumps five percent because that really hard shot he found something on the power play and i don't know i think you you take a chance here on a team that needs to be in contention this season through direction of ownership and just the fan base doesn't want to sit through a rebuild and you go try and you got the best defenseman available and now you try and see if you can he can continue this i think it's a good risk yeah at that price at that number who cares about the years yeah and i and i like you know the thing that we already mentioned with like he opens up every other option right matthews willie get get cookies man well can

i can i also say what i love i love that it pushes some of these guys down and uh if you i don't know if you follow dtsb underscore 98 on twitter but he's actually really good with stats oh yeah i was like isn't that the durham school board no okay yeah no not nor nor nor even the durham catholic school board no dsb dtsb underscore 98 his name's steven uh with a ph though so he spells it in anyway um what i like about this is it pushes people down if let's say brandon carlo who i think will get traded and we've heard what might get traded probably going to get traded if he doesn't and he's playing with oel on the third pair or emil andre on the third pair the leaf's most common third pair according to dtsb was benoit stetcher or benoit myers

last year which had my god so benoit stetcher had a 30.4.01 expected goals percentage which is i don't know if you know this bad wow and uh the ben was so good for a bit too the ben was sorry that was the benoit stetcher the benoit myers was 38.24 so they got they didn't just lose those minutes they got cooked in those minutes they got barbecued so if you can have like if emil andre's in your top four because you want to put him with tanev or whatever and you have oel who can move a puck that's kind of fun and tanev who's big um because you can put oel back on the left side i know he can play both but that that gives you i thought he was much better on the left with radish on the first pair andre on the second pair oel on the third pair that gives you

at least a puck mover on each and if they can make a move to upgrade a guy like carlo then great go ahead and do it it seems like though you know we had entire defense pairs last year that just could not move a puck yeah and and it seems like now we do i don't know what his numbers were exactly i i feel like mccabe can move it he can well i mean there's been times with injuries where he's had to run the power play oh yeah which is always kind of fun but he's not bad every it's not bad whenever i saw him out there especially late in the season i'm like this is this is the game i'm watching god bless him yep uh oh it had nothing to do with him i love jake mccabe me too i've uh man crush on him the one thing i will say though guys the way that the defense looks is old uh-huh and so you know

where i feel like they still have work to do is they got to get younger you saw what happened when you know with tanf in the lineup the leafs are phenomenal and they were great last year with him in the lineup he played 10 games and they've got a McCabe's a year older OEL is going to be 36 this season you've got to get some youth in there and it just it can't just be a meal Andre and it Darren Radish is 30 you've got to get other guys and and maybe some of that comes from your uh the draft this year maybe that some of that comes from the AHL but I think they've got another move to make and I think it means Carlo and I think oh you've got I got a lot more than that bud yeah like just i'm just talking on the defense yeah they don't got guys signed yep no i

said what i said they don't have a guy signed to a contract because emil andre is still just an rfa under control who's under the age of 29 that's rough yeah that's not great but riley's gonna move uh i imagine carlo's gonna move although he's one of the young ones radish is 30 morgan's 32 mccabe's 32 tanev is 36 oel's 34 carlos 29 myers is 29 stetcher probably won't be back could you trade andre's 24 i think you he does shoot right you could steve if you can't trade him you send him the marlies no i know and somebody claims him here's the thing or not with morgan the the thing about adding darren radish at eight and a half is that morgan's money is going to come off the books now we don't know what that deal looks like are we taking money back um it's looking like uh

like cockney emmy for instance is going to get bought out in carolina but you know so the leafs are going to have when people look at this oh they've only got x amount of dollars left and i still think it's over 20 million dollars that doesn't include max domey potentially being on ltir at almost four million dollars they're fine they're bad you don't get access to that unless he never plays unless he never plays yeah which i don't think is what it's half right it's half if he might play no well the season ending ir is where it would be the old system like the mark stone system where it's like you put it on you get that full cap space but do you get half while he's out i don't know what the exact percentage is okay yeah because i felt like it was anyway

um long story short i think the um the the move next is going to be to get even younger on defense to get another guy emil andre's age or even a 27 year old like somebody so someone with yeah a number that starts with two the other thing is too like and this is why i have so many concerns about the John Tavares thing at second line center is when some of these older guys get to the playoffs, they're gassed.

Right. And injuries are going to happen because they're older. I think you started the place, I think it's correct, like you relied on Chris Tanev so heavily and he's old and because he's that age

and you were so dependent on him that you have a season where he's just not around. And that can't be your plan going into every year. we have a bunch of old defensemen because something's going to fall apart there the other thing about the odds are the other thing about not having depth is the i forget how you would find this stat i think it's on nhl.com but the number of hits absorbed tanev led not just the

leafs but the league because everyone's like well let's just hammer that guy i think they call it hits taken hits taken so i think the sends got to him and then the panthers were just like that asshole yeah and they the leafs won the first two games of that series they faded through game three we've been through this a hundred times but but it adds up what about the same thing happened to like lane hudson in that series where they target him they're going after him they hit it really affected his game and like he's affected for like the other end of the curve where he's so young and they're targeting so it's a thing you got to think about because these teams are very smart oh yeah beat you with physical size and just hitting guys it's the series are long man what what about what

about this too throughout the regular season i'm talking about just harm reduction in terms of miles on body like you know tanev and mccabe uh are great when they can shut down teams together that's they're excellent yeah um mccabe's 34 and he was he's been a workhorse however we have to be we have to pay attention to that and tana is going to be i think 37 32 mccabe oh mccabe's 32 okay so that's not so bad but i still that's younger than i thought those are hard miles yeah and and he's been a workhorse and not missed a lot of time whatever i want to see how they bring in somebody who can reduce those guys minutes because it can't it can't just be with ruby it was like well if we got to shut him down those are the two guys and they might be out there for like

three minutes to end the game you can't yeah can't do that anymore they do have a number of options on the marlies is that why matthew nye's trade makes a lot of sense to bring in a guy who's more of a one or two slot on the left side you really got to blow my socks off with i i think i'm starting to make peace with the fact it's obviously happening yeah i think he's he's where you rebuild your prospect system like and i don't mean it in this i don't know no hold on hold on hold on that's annoying what it's going to be is guys that are basically nhl ready i you need to take one of those words out nhl basically basically yeah okay nhl ready it's matthew nize fuck your basic yeah yeah no i give me that includes a roster player that

includes a roster so here's what i think with matthew nize because we were cj talked about yesterday jesse you were here for the recording he thinks it'll be roster player like good roster player good very good prospect yeah first round pick and there are rumors that st louis is in on this we know montreal's re-engaged we know buffalo's re-engaged st louis has the 11th overall pick so that's interesting um people were throwing out like wow cold break i'm like man i'll take philip broberg though um and i'll talk you know talk to you about that that's interesting that's and then i think where they what they need to do with nize because i don't see one of these available in the free agent market unless i'm wrong is they got to find that second line center

some youth thing which is why chicago is interesting because friendell's name's out there and i don't think people realize how good that kid could i think the blackhawks are completely out of their mind you have to yeah so take advantage of that yeah yeah like that's one of the like they've been out of their mind for six years i know it's a free if he's available yeah no free space go out and go and get that guy but i would be shocked me too but apparently he's out there was that legit or was that what about this because they have bedard and and lazar or nazar excuse me not lazar different player very different player yes yeah that sounds like a good problem to me if i'm cal davidson it's like oh my gosh i have so much young and they need

too buttery well this is the thing they need guys like nice i don't know and what i like is it's not a trade within division if the leafs trade this if they do consummate this trade with the montreal canadians it's been long rumored it will rebuild the younger end of this franchise it has to it's even if nice isn't a great ad for Montreal, it's still every time you play them, you're going to try to kill one of your players and probably do it and also score. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm not enthusiastic about a nice trade anywhere. I'm especially unenthusiastic about it in division. Here's the beauty. We're, we're looking at the decor. why why because it was bad no yeah yeah but kyle uh kyle cal kyle i haven't even nope that's two guys ago john pal davidson i think you were

john chica yep i i think is completely uh ripping this thing out of the floor oh yeah and replacing it so whatever if you look at the roster now and you're trying to build the roster now just know you're only having funsies i like doing that early in the off season i go here's what the leafs look like right now and people go oh it sucks and i'm like yeah well it's june so give it a sec right i don't think next year's team looks anything like last year's team yeah this isn't even close to it anything like it um like philadelphia they don't think the same daniel briere got on philadelphia radio after the leafs trade earlier this week and said don't expect a lot of big moves this offseason from him yeah oh oh great because i think he's

happy with what he's got and they got a system and they expect mitch cough to improve i think i think most of that is we're not trading mad fey you freaking dummies oh but yeah he sort of needs to say that yeah i get it but i i get it i think the i think knowing the leafs are the exact opposite of that as somebody who's my biggest my favorite part of playing the nhl video games when i was gm was just you know trade deadline in july 1st always the best oh yeah this is gonna be a little goofy the games are in the way yeah yeah it's just oh i gotta play the game whatever also the list of GMs willing to speak to

willing to take John Jaika's phone call and not completely shit their pants over it it's skyrocketed well there's still 29 we might not talk to them we got up to two Danny Breer and Julian Breezeball

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we're talking all season and it doesn't have to be for any other reason other than your own give me your clutch canadian some teams try this and it very often fails and that is when the coach is the face of your team but i think that applies to the carolina hurricanes and that's not trying to insult any other players obviously jordan stalls the captain he won the con smith there are lots of worthy players on the hurricanes rod brindamore is the face of the carolina hurricanes rod brindamore was part of some narratives last year in part pushed by me

where i was like he can't get over the hump hurricanes can't get over the hump is his time in carolina maybe coming to an end and then he wins the stanley cup with the hurricanes in one of the most dominant playoff runs we've seen in recent memory maybe of all time i'm going to say rod brindamore i love that great pick jesse do you want to go next i wish you gave it to paul maurice guys who are the the coaches who are the face of their franchise yeah you're gonna give it to sue saint marie's very oh yeah well you know i i think they might give it to matthew but uh i'm also a good candidate i want to give it to macklin celebrini because he didn't win the heart trophy but he is the heart trophy of my heart we forget where he was at the beginning of the season

because of how his season went last year he was just rookie of the year and 65 points is 63 points and everything's fine lane but we had no idea he would step up to this level this soon to be one of the best players in the nhl he had 115 points finished top five in hard trophy voting and also was on the top line and the best line for team canada at the olympics and was incredible this is one year removed from entering the nhl and just being oh one of the next stars in this league he's a teenager over the last 12 months he has become one of these stars in the league and he's only going up from here so he's my clutch canadian of the year i'm gonna uh i'm gonna go a little off the off the chart here palmer is because this player and his candle player this player had

the remarkable uh it made a i said something far more remarkable than rod brindamore finally breaking through as a coach far more remarkable than Macklin Celebrini breaking through as a second year player and being third in NHL scoring I think was third up there up there he made the Leafs watchable for a bit his name is Scott Lott you know what on brand on brand pick 100% clutch Canadian because that guy no matter how shitty it was was rah rah Leafs and in true Leafs fashion we totally fucking screwed him but I want to say that I don't think Scott Lawton's coming back I think he'll probably stay in LA but Scott Lawton for me this year was the guy that made the awful terrible no good Leafs worth watching he was amazing and the teammates loved

him and he's a great person and he's from here clapper on a breakaway clapper on a breakaway electricity so scott lawton you are my 100 clutch kid adian just because i love you man just because i love you and that is our last one this year scott lawton from oakville he is from a family that owns a pickle farm i think it's an eighth generation pickle farm wow yeah okay yeah pretty darn cool that's where did you pull that out of man i've never not heard that story that's crazy Is a pickle farm just a cucumber farm? Stop it. You know what?

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And then I have a little I have a fun little question. So on Matthew Nye's trade speculations, huge. Let's just but it is just speculation. And Darren Drager had that quote the other day. And people are just clowning this poor guy. And I feel bad for him because it's like, you know, they're taking quotes from him like a month ago saying, well, I don't think Darren Radish leaves Tampa. That's a month ago. A lot can change in a month.

Leave this poor man alone. i understand doing the bit but like things do also change they do and he's allowed to think one thing one week especially at this time of year and think another the next because shit changes like like it's like just say tweeting it's gonna rain on like may 14th and then on a sunny day in june you go look at this stupid asshole right it's not this it's not the same now nice we know wants to be here shocking an american that wants to be here whoa wants to be here um size of a mid-sized jeep yep now we've pointed out that leafs are left side heavy if they keep nice right they are because you've got dakota joshua in there too i'm okay with that

yeah i'm okay with it but i'm just saying like you have to sometimes you can't make a perfect team and matthew nize doesn't drive play he does not drive a line this is part of his problem i i the left side heavy thing like it actually i think it matters a little because that was one of the big hiccups with the power play they didn't have enough right shots to make their power play work this is my thing and i i was told that from people around the league yeah we they don't they don't have anyone now the hurricanes actually were a little bit like that at times where sometimes they'd throw their power play out there and you're like, where's all the righties?

Second unit didn't have that problem. First unit, there were none. There was one amazing moment during the cup final that sort of got lost because Carolina ended up winning where Jalen Chatfield broke his stick on the penalty kill. And usually defenseman breaks their stick, forward gives them their stick. There was no one on the ice who was a right-handed shot.

so he just he had to switch to forward and then steal a stick off the bench before rejoining the play and they survived it but it was a big problem last year the Leafs lack of righties correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the only right shot signed in their forward group is Nylander yes even even Michele is not a right shot I don't think let me hold on let me just pull up puck media no yes yeah yeah the shot they have a little shot thing here it's willy oh what the yeah they got it they like yarn croak oh wait no problem this is where you can start to see how this is a problem you can't build a team like with 12 guys who shoot left makes also a lot of sense why yarn croak was out there on the second power play unit it wasn't just that berube loved him

they needed somebody their next right shooting forward i believe is like in terms of their depth Let's go to the Marlies. Let's do this. Let's have this. Let me see. Miroslav Halinka. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Miroslav Halinka. Let's go. SDA is a right shot. SDA is in the KHL. But he wants to come back. Roni Hervinen is a left shot. In Finland. That's a left shot.

By the way, they should bring him back. Doesn't count. He had an incredible season. Tervberg. Twerberg. No, the Tervberg. The Tervberg. he had a nice goal last night he did great uh marley's didn't win is letary not a righty i

thought he was uh vinny letary i don't know where is he under because i don't think i found him because he's ufa that's why i couldn't see him he's a right shot oh okay so i guess under contract it's torburn so this is where you can sort of see where this is starting to make sense the turf yeah oh yeah like this is starting to make sense where yeah like nize is signed to a pretty good cost controlled deal uh the athletic has his market at 9.4 million in terms of what he brings versus and and people like drew's like i don't understand why uh matthew nye's is so much uh trade ball of the interest and whatever i'm like he had an off season last year he still had 70 points or something like that like he's not this is a great player who's got some funky underlining numbers

uh-huh but the leafs were ass last year and the publicly available data if your team is bad your publicly available data is always going to look like shit i have such a hard time putting last season on him this is the thing right and and i so he had 66 points excuse me but you know this is a guy who who um is enormous is a fun guy loves being here we'd hate to lose him but you can see why kills penalties a management group that has zero loyalty to anybody not named Nylander Matthews um is going yeah uh we're getting McKenna in we've got Cowan we have Dakota Joshua on the third potentially fourth line I think unless he gets dealt well he could get dealt everyone might get dealt but I could see Dakota Joshua sticking around and being a member of that

fourth line I'd like him to stick around I like that player I think I think especially if you're trading knives I want him to work himself back into a third line role I think you got to start them on the fourth and so uh you know looking at this at least trying to look at what they're doing because we don't really know how these guys operate yet still nobody knows getting i don't know what kind of team john chica wants clearly they want to move the puck yes yes if we're going to deduce anything from what they've done they want to move the puck they want to be more offensive than they were last year which is i think maybe the least offensive team in the league yeah in terms of shot generation so like they're not last they're amongst the last yeah yeah so

what's the strategy just don't be last like i don't even know you can't even look at these moves and be like he clearly wants this kind of team he just doesn't want a team that's last which is why i think carlo's gonna be that's a good strategy that's why i think carlo's gonna be gone yeah i just don't he hasn't scored a goal it's so interesting with uh uh there was rumors yesterday and this you got to remember this if you're an outside fan uh and if you're an inside fan so if you're a leaf fan uh uh you know this probably already if you're a fan of another team you might know this agents love to throw toronto is interested into reports because they love yeah because they love to say because they know it's going to get a lot of play in the media

and yesterday it came out that one of the teams that might be interested in radco gutis was the toronto maple leaves i almost threw my phone at my well see i don't i didn't react at all because i know that's not true and i know that's not true because a it doesn't fit what they want b the way he played in anaheim last year ducks fans were like please get this guy off my roster yeah matthew's stuff aside like forget like let's pretend he never took out the captain's knee are you serious well what year is this again I don't think they are and even if so people were saying well he could have signed in Toronto three years ago they offered him a deal he signed in Anaheim instead uh well I think Radko Gudis is in a different place in his career where he just

wants to stay in the league now I mean that's that's Brandon Carlo but worse and more violent but is he an upgrade on if he's making 900 grand is an upgrade on Philip Myers sure and he shoots right sure and he's not gonna get pushed around is he signing for 900 grand uh well maybe maybe a million and a half the guy's not that good man he was he was a guy ratko gutis is a funny guy because five six years ago he's never been worth the deal he even had an anaheim he had great underlying numbers his whole career is a weird one but i think now i just don't see barbecue and he's also old anaheim fans who like were uh you know tooth and nail against toronto but for obvious reasons we're like please get this human being off my

hockey team now what was funny during the matthews discourse is they're like suspend him as long as you want yeah suspend him 20 game i think he should be out the rest of the year he didn't play in the playoffs either captain hey bring it back to the matthew nice conversation sure i don't Yeah, Radko Gudis that deserves any airtime. Oh, whoa. Yes, he's a hater. Radko Gudis is a waste of time for everybody in the NHL. Well, I have to still mention nobody should play.

No, he should play for nobody is my thoughts on Radko Gudis. He's so bad. Well, he didn't want to play in Canada. And now all of a sudden, oh, fucking garbage player. Interesting. Matthew Nyes. Is there a chance that the conversation around him right now is a little smoke and mirrors from this front office? because we know that we don't know what they're going to do is the matthew nye's rumors maybe

they're just throwing this out there to gauge the market and there's not actually anything from that it's a little bit of holdover from the last regime here's why i think it's not it's definitely possible it's possible but here's why i think it's not uh darren dragger saying yesterday or two days ago that nhl gms are starting to get frustrated with the leafs because they're not sure if he's actually going to get traded and the leafs are to quote cj treating it as a bit of a fishing expedition i would like a mini run in the field and i would like a mini run in the field and so what they're what the nhl gms are upset about is that well we keep trying to offer the leaf stuff and they keep not saying yes so we're going to complain to the insiders about it so that's my

theory on that maybe they're not actually trying to trade matthew nice well it's not the leafs driving the rumors then i don't know is that well no i think it isn't because the other nhl gms who are pissed least favorite genre of hockey post i spoke to nhl executive about the leafs and they said now let's let's do multiple multiple choice i asked nhl executive about the leafs and they said a positive thing b negative thing that's the end of it okay everyone what do you select adam what's your guess oh man they're gonna say something okay so that's b jesse what do you guess all side negative okay you guess negative survey says negative and you can answer that every fucking time because they're goofs i don't expect anyone

to throw a life raft the leafs way i don't expect any opposing gm to try to help out any other opposing gm or any other team but let's call it what it is and i know what the reaction is going to be from outside of this fan base i don't care i have no problem with being unpopularly correct everyone in this league hates this fucking team and it doesn't matter who runs it if it's chica if it's brad if it's do this those are three completely different people and the only reason and you didn't hear anything under Lou as they were afraid of getting whacked. Everyone, everyone resents the Golden Goose.

I thought you said the Golden Knights, but okay. Well, everyone resents the Golden Knight. Well, and we're jealous of them. Yes, yes. I also want to finish second. Anyway, I'm so sick of that genre of posts. By the way, why does Kelly McCrimmon act like the Vegas Golden Knights? to that later we're going to that later stay here stay with the guys fine let me ask you guys this

fine number one do you think nize gets traded actually what's your guess right now and by the way when the winds change you're allowed to change with them we're not going to darren drager you on this one does he get traded i'm not asking for what and i'm not asking where does he get traded is he a leaf in september yes okay okay yeah too much dead air time i know yeah people start looking at that it's my car broken yeah so you say yes yes he gets traded jesse september is he a leaf in september yes matthew nye's is a leaf in september also yes but opposite you said yes he's gonna get traded i'm yes he's a leaf i like jesse's yes better to be honest i'm just going with what i think

like okay i don't adam you gotta answer too here's here's part of the he's getting traded and he'll be traded in the next week here's part of the desperation that drew doesn't understand and a lot of fans don't understand well drew's never been a leaf and he doesn't understand desperation there is that oh my god oh yeah no but the abs only got to the front around this year what a disappointment do um nathan mckinnon's body language so marner this team has like a bar for winning yeah i know i know it's crazy so marner obviously went to vegas had a very successful season very successful playoff there's another guy leaving toronto and going having success nize and marner aren't the same player nope like not even close what in terms of guys who are

brick shithouses and capable offensive players and they can do some good defensive things we've seen these players come along so seldomly and then they leave and then they're exactly what we hope they would be somewhere else zach hyman is the most recent example of that cadre is a slightly different but i would say example of that and the leafs don't have players like him in abundance who does there aren't a lot of type players around the league nope i'd be surprised if you can name 20 guys who are 220 plus or let's say 215 plus because the nhl isn't a very heavy league guys who are 215 plus will get into fights and win the vast majority of them

hit score set up plays kill penalties and be on pp1 there's just not very many out there i know his underlyings are poor but he's so young and he's so cost controlled and i have faith he can get it back on track with a different coach oh boy you better really absolutely knock my socks off for this i think that's what the deal i think that's what the leafs are fishing for which is why it's pissing nhl gms off and that's why they're talking and saying well they can't just they simply can't hold out for the best possible deal or not trade him stop wasting our time yo buddy the leafs have already shown that they're aggressive enough to make a deal when it's a good one we saw it with philadelphia earlier

this week they feel good about that deal we were a little underwhelmed by the wool return but we understand why because wool's not exactly reliable emile andre looks exciting great darren radish deal aggressive contract or aggressive deal for the leafs it's great you jump the queue you keep them out of free agency you get them signed you're set okay if there's a deal if there was a deal that had knocked their socks off they would have made it yeah which means that the nhl gms are pissed because they want this player and they know they're going to have to give up more than they've already offered which they think is a lot by the way oh the Leafs you know they keep throwing knives out there but the price is so much and they're not doing it why does Doug Armstrong get away with

this shit every two months with Robert Thomas yeah times is Robert Thomas almost been traded for Robert Thomas Jordan Cairo yeah Colton Pareko Braden Shen for a year and then he finally got traded Jordan Bennington has been shot up Doug oh I'm so glad it's Steen finally taken over he might actually move someone doug's still there though uh he's still there uh i got a couple of questions for you guys to ponder unless you got something matthew nice it's such a gift for the leafs to also just get him where they got him in the draft that 2021 draft if you're redrafting it there's a chance he goes second or third overall holy shit what if we're talking top five in terms of just uh points it goes wyatt johnston is number one crazy pick by a little bit maddie

benears dylan gunther mason mctavish william ecklund matthew nice he probably goes top 10 and then owen powers they're talking defenseman this is i ranked it by by points luke hughes is in there but go go by game play is a top 10 player easily games played is a is a good way to like Cole Sillinger, J.J. Moser, Matty Beneers, Wyatt Johnson, Owen Power, McTavish, Kent Johnson, Eklund, Nyes. I think he's clearly a top 10 player. Easily. Yeah.

And they got him in the middle of the second round? Mm-hmm. That was 57 overall? It's amazing. Yeah, thank you, Wes Clark. That's a great draft pick, and you can't just trade him away for something that's not guaranteed to be as good as Matthew Nyes. If that deal's not there, you don't make that deal if you're Chyka.

So you can complain all you want, other GMs, But that's the bar for a Matthew Nye strike. Yep. Isn't the story Kyle Dubas wasn't sure? He's like, oh, I don't know. And Wes Clark was like, draft Matthew Nye. Well, he's a second round pick. You can't be sure.

You know, there's such a crapshoot that when you luck out like this, I don't know. You can't squander it. Yeah, he's their best non first round pick in a number of years. What we're going to learn with this radish and the potential Nye's deals. um the one thing i keep going back to is how good is the leafs pro scouting staff really because this this comes down to them this comes down and i'm not talking about amateur scouts right some people might not know this there's the guys that scout for the draft and then there's the guys that scout for the nhl hey there's hidden value here you know who's got some of the best

uh pro scouts in the league tampa vegas florida tampa those are the teams that that carolina i think has got some great pro scouts speaking of tampa and their pro scouting staff radish was fumbled twice let me finish this sure sure sure okay so if radish turns out to be what do you what do you think is a successful season for him next season because i think i don't i don't expect 70 i expect 50 uh i was gonna say 40 plus points i'd like double digit goals jesse what's a successful year for radish for you with the leafs um like i would count radishes radishes success in terms of uh team performance that too so like i think darren radish could be a really good guy in the power play but if it doesn't lead to wins for the leafs then it's kind of irrelevant yeah

does he get outscored yeah yeah so i think though i judge the team success and like hey bring radish led to this this result for the least i think is what i look at pro scouting probably a better way to look at it pro scouting is to me uh it's the most important department in the toronto maple leafs right now yeah uh amateur scout it's great you know they got they've got some picks in this draft and obviously you got the first overall pick that's so nice that makes the job easier pro scouting is going they are going to live or die the matthews era is going to live or die in toronto in the next two years on that pro scouting staff i hope they've got confidence in them because they're being put to the test well and think of how frustrating it must have been

over the past year to be a pro scout for the leafs between july and march you're there doing nothing nothing you're scouting and it you're you're literally you're driving the games yep you're watching them you're filing a report and shredding it because they're not doing anything with it because they didn't do anything they didn't make any trades oh i know that guy was like sir sir oh thank goodness i got you in time here's my scouting report on sammy blay and it was the last thing that guy did caden primo caden primo and troy stetcher and that was the last thing they did for like six months yeah yeah like just they're like claim troy stetcher like dude yeah i don't i don't want to throw the term scouting blue balls out there but i imagine

they had it and like the first people to be knocking down john chica's door when he got here john john oh shit can you please listen to me can you please actually do stuff what's interesting about it jesse and steve is he hasn't changed any of them right which and he went through a full organizational thing but we have not heard any pro scouting changes obviously judd bracket coming in is one thing from minnesota that's amazing the assistants have swapped out but not the scouts it sounds like but the scouts are the scouts so it feels like this team had an internal list anyway of guys that they like which any team would and so it seems like john shaka trusts it so that's interesting yeah and you also don't do that because your name's not kevin adams and kevin adams

famously walked into the buffalo sabers when he got hired and fired everybody and did not have enough people working for him who understood anything to do their jobs at the beginning of his tenure amateur scouting completely on video yeah it was blown out like that's crazy it was ridiculous and that was i think a one of one decision and chica isn't that dumb worth mentioning the sabers have drafted really well yeah that's amateur scouting that is amateur that's not pro scouting no no but i think they gutted the amateur scouting i i it was probably the pro as well they just were like what if we just didn't also can i just be honest when you have a top five pick every year you could probably draft pretty well yeah i'm not i'm not giving the sabers credit

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he's he's on my do not acquire list uh okay but hang on let me ask the fucking question i agree by the way darren radish at eight years 8.5 but he's 30 bo byram four years younger eight years apparently times 10 or 10 and a half yeah and you guys say both you both say do not acquire tell me why i don't care if bo byram asked for six million dollars he's a darren ferris client non-starter i'm not kidding hey that's his answer i'm not kidding there's no place in the in the league where darren ferris does not cause chaos he loves so squeezing every dollar and turning his clients into a suitcase case that's exactly what he's done with Bo Byram that's exactly what he's going to do with Bo Byram

what he did with Taylor Hall for years have fun with that shit he did that to Taylor Hall for years yeah and then Hall fired his ass good did Hall fire him I think so okay let's find that out um Jesse I'm very unimpressed with what Bo Byram has been through this point in his career he's underwhelming in Colorado they traded him for a reason and I don't think he's been the greatest defenseman in Buffalo so I don't I don't trust that talent there and he's gonna command a lot of money and he's i don't think he's going to live up to his next contract for whoever's willing to pay that number that fair i don't think anybody is right like when he was in colorado i mean i guess maybe they are because the money yeah the the economics have changed but when he

was in colorado it was sort of unimpressive and they basically nathan mckinnon's like you don't work hard get out you know him him and middle stat get out also hall didn't fire him no but someone did i forget hall decided he didn't need to take top dollar anymore and wanted to stay in play and that's the thing darren ferris clients he talked about this openly with john shannon on 100 hockey he said i normally like to get my players to free agency before we even start talking about an extension unless they tell me otherwise but i always like to push them to free agency to get top dollar and an agent's job is to do that yes um and the gm's job is to be like well we're not paying you top dollar so fuck off right so i'm you know i think bo byram i thought

when when michael kesselring was traded i thought bo byram was probably staying but it turns out he's not and so i so you guys just say so you say no acquire bo byram because of uh because of darren ferris jesse you say because of performance yeah and kesselring i believe is the other side of the handedness there so i don't think they affect each other totally okay fair yeah yes if you could he's a righty yeah kesselring is a righty bo byram is a lefty but yeah a year out like that ufa deal is going to be a lot because ferris is going to fight for it and i don't think bo byram's going to live up to whatever he's going to get we've talked a lot about the fact that we just don't know how shaika and sundin are going to operate starting in a sense

at least on what defense is going to look like right no no idea what forwards are going to look like have a little bit of a sense of goaltending which is i don't know let's try it which is sort of what they're going to do with i think we think with aktiyamov kildaby and anthony stoller's next year we think it's going to be some version of the three of them haven't heard any rumors that they're looking to acquire goaltending talent maybe sam harrison too um oh yeah uh one thing i'll say with sundin and shika and what we did say was initially they're checking the obvious boxes fire craig berube that was a question there were people openly going well what if you gave craig another shot and he also makes a lot of money right all the way by the way there are rumors

he's going to join Mike Babcock in Edmonton. We're going to get to that later in the show. That Sheikha and Suning with this move today checked two boxes for me. Number one,

or this week, I think. The do something box because they did some things. Okay, number one. Number two, addressed a problem that has been a problem for 20 years.

Right shot defenseman that can fire a puck. We told Lamorello. We told Dubas. We told Treleving. None of them did it. And Lou said, don't worry, I'm locking up sites. Yeah, this is like, they're actually doing it.

I, you know, I know Jesse earlier this week and we had the clip go viral and everybody's so mad at you for questioning the Jim Hiller hire. We got to get to that Jim Hiller press conference too because I got a couple of clips from that I want to play. But does this check some boxes for you? Does this give you more confidence in the administration?

We always said, hey, that's an interesting hire, but we're open to it. Let's see what happens. Where do you stand now? well for anyone criticizing jesse what i would say is please send us any evidence over the last few months since march you were like please go out and get jim hiller yeah there actually was one person he's a listener from the uk yeah who who dm'd me and he's like you know in uh in your in your round two i had a super chat saying jim hiller to the leafs i said yeah but but you were

joking and he's like i know but i'm taking credit for it i was gonna say you're the only one who gets to talk shit and then you admit it no no he's like i'm still i said you could still talk your shit you get it no like they this team was paralyzed for so long um it's checking the boxes of actually doing stuff and that's what we wanted this this has been a problem since before true living because dubish dubas had itchy thumbs too he was he was all about moving but it was deck chairs it's the team's problem for years and years is they had too many guys at the top taking up all the cap space when the cap wasn't going up and when it became obvious the cap wasn't going up he wouldn't make that foundational change a change that would matter chica doesn't seem to

have that problem no you know and like he's there to do the stuff that that we won't as fans like it's hilarious that leaf fans including myself i'm not making fun of anyone we're like oh joseph he plays piano we i like him he's a delightful little boy yeah and simone benoit the milk guy the the the what was that the punch the superman punch that i don't even think connected no it didn't but it was a great picture but it was fun oh yeah get that picture blown up and put it in your basement um chike is there to cut through all that and i think part of the reason he's probably got a poor reputation amongst hockey guys is maybe he does things somewhat soullessly you know what i mean like this is this is about as aggressive and soulless

as i've seen them be and i mean that as a compliment that's but that's exactly there's no right doing right by the player here but like that's exactly what the vegas golden knights are yep and florida too and they're great at what they do just ask them right like they're we go out and we do what we got to do go out and do what you got to do because last team last year's team it shouldn't be controversial to make changes to it was awful jesse your thoughts check any boxes does it check any boxes i liked what chica did with the joseph wall trade i thought it was a good trade i didn't like the hiring of jim hiller i didn't i don't think we talked for 40 minutes about jim hiller yep uh so i don't know if i need to reiterate everything we know said there yeah

But not a fan of what happened in L.A. and losing the room. I think so much about being a good head coach in this league is just having a good room. And I didn't like what I saw in L.A., so I didn't like that hiring by Chayka. I thought that was a miss. I don't trust Keith Pelley. I don't trust his glasses and what color they're going to be

on a day-to-day basis. You never know. It's unpredictable. You're right. You never know what color the glasses are going to be, and you don't know where his sticky fingers are on this organization. you know the this signing is what it essentially is but this trade and signing i think is a good

move i am allowed to evaluate these moves uh independently and then overall you look at the direction of the franchise you say okay they're doing things here there's a lot of wait and see to see if all these pieces come together but i'm glad they're doing stuff individually there are things i don't like and things i do like but i think right now i think that's where i'm sitting here and evaluating the leafs i hope they have a really successful season for the sake of the fan base and being a fan and rooting for the leafs but we'll see how things pan out little things too like the changes he made in the front office i wasn't entirely a fan of them i don't think he should have gotten rid of every assistant gm in there because i thought there

were some really smart people so like that's how i'm evaluating this thing on a case-by-case basis that's fair one of the one of the things that was mentioned to me is so it's been rumored for a while that Jay Goldberg is going to leave the Kings to come to the Leafs that still hasn't happened yeah but the thought is well he's going to come in and maybe he was a supporter of Hillers and the only other thing first of all I'm a thousand percent on board with you I am also skeptical but like all coaches lose the room eventually and like Bruce Cassidy the main reason he was fired he's obviously a good tactical coach they're holding him hostage right now because he's a good tactical coach but he lost the room yeah but like hillard doesn't have that to fall

back on he doesn't have i'm bruce cassidy yeah like that doesn't exist there and i people keep trumpeting the 24 25 numbers and just throwing it out there i don't i don't entirely like i said it last time i thought there's a bit of a mirage there with those la numbers his head coaching stats are just not plentiful at all he started the season as king's coach twice and you can't be like well he was great this season without acknowledging the other one he got fired because things were going so poorly right so yeah you can't say like look at 24 25 and how great he was because i i think we tossed those out i don't think there's enough evidence to prove that he's either he's either a great coach because of that or a bad coach because of that i just don't

trust what i've seen here from him was it sustained no right and that's the question is like yeah you did it one season but for it to be a trend it has to be multiple and then la put your head in the toilet that's right swirled sorry edmonton put la's um morgan riley and his agent are still working on finding a landing spot pretty fair to say he's not going to be back which is why we kind of don't include him in the and i know there's some people out there i'm actually included in this who go listen under a different system he might be more useful but i just think some sometimes it's time to move on as i mentioned last episode so we won't spend too much time on that I want to move to just two clips from the Jim Hiller press conference because we never get the chance to do this.

And I thought there were a couple of illustrative moments that we we will find interesting. And the first one starts, Jesse, it's right here. I'm just highlighting it for you at three thirty eight, because one of the things that I think we're all kind of concerned about is what system they're going to play, because we have no idea. right other Leafs general managers and coaches and whatever have come in and said we're going to be this truculence pugnacity snot uh uh we're going to be puck moving we're going to be coursey gods we're going to be you know whatever else GMs have said we can and we will John Sheik is like I'm not going to tell you anything actually and Jim Hiller did give us a little bit of a crumb in this press conference but before he plays the quote like everyone's afraid of the one three one

uh if it wins great but i also want the product to be entertaining which is why you'll love this clip two years ago they won a lot they weren't entertaining so at 3 33 we're talking about philosophy and media and we'll end it at six minutes jesse go ahead he really embodies what we're all trying to do and be here with the leafs um so on the on the next uh topic i'm sure this is going to get brought up and so i want to just talk a little bit about my philosophy on the team on coaching and where i believe the biggest impact the coach can have is guiding the spirit of the team i think it's the most important most important the foundation of any team is how the spirit strengthens and grows during a season and to me everybody who's involved

and can touch the team in certain ways has some input and some influence on how that grows the players of course have the greatest influence but we outside that have to support that and understand that as that grows the team grows and so that's where a lot of our emphasis will be and just recreating reigniting and growing and strengthening the spirit of the hockey team and i think that when that you leave the dressing room with that that translates directly onto the ice and what does that look like we could go into a thousand different areas of the game that that might look like but for me the simplest one is skating because i believe skating is the first chain in competing and so when you get on the ice and you're skating and when i say skating it's up

it's back it's there it's quick it's stopped it's as quick and hard as you can do things that's how you start to know that your hockey team and the spirit of your team is starting to grow so never mind the offensive structure the defensive structure all those will be in place they're a byproduct of the spirit then and then skating of your hockey club so we can talk more about that in more detail as time goes by but i just wanted to make sure that i i was really clear on that's the emphasis of where i see the challenge of the coach coach. Um, and finally, uh, when John called me, uh, quite a while ago, uh, I got off the phone and my wife said, who was that? I said, it's John Chyka is the general manager of the Toronto

Maple Leafs. And she went, Oh no, the media. And I said to her, no, I know those people. I've been there. Those are all really nice people. So with that, I will open it up for questions. There you go. Leave it there. I wanted to include the media part in there because i just think hey they're trying to embrace the media keith pelly did say that two years ago and then the then brad true living probably said fuck it i'm not going to tell you anything about injuries um but at some point the call is coming from inside the house like you're owned by rogers right yeah you kind of have to so what do you think about what he had to say philosophically i'm going to start with jesse i would also like to start with jess i heard that and i said okay

if you live and you're learned and he comes here he's a completely different person awesome that that's that's what should be the case for the head coach of this team should be the head uh the case for any really good head coach in this league let's see the execution on that philosophy i would love that okay that'd be great let me let me ask you a follow-up and this is something i've never understood truly great head coaches okay why do they only ever have one system like why because they don't what what i've been told was was that well he can only do one three one okay well then why is he worth two or three million dollars a year then in la the way that asshole could the way that team was built right it was uh he wanted to do defense

first and for one season at work and last season it didn't right i also think there's some roster construction issues there too i think a great head coach should be able to look at the team he's going to unlike berube who was told to institute this system and i don't put that at his feet i put that at management's feet and go um they're not built oh one three one that's not a one three one build that team i should be able to switch up that system jesse do you get the sense that they feel that way too yeah i don't think head coaches have one system a lot of tactical strategy parts of the game right now oh some really good head coaches like they leave it to their assistant coaches to figure those things out yeah and they the actual minutiae of the

strategy in the formations assistant coaches that's a lot of their jobs there we'll see what like i think there's an opportunity here for jim hiller to have a blank slate and work in conjunction with chica and the other people in the organization and everybody there who they want to build out their analytics department with and come up with a new way to coach this team and a new philosophy for hiller so he doesn't look anything like that coach in la and then on a personal level getting these players to believe in him that's going to be something he's got to work through with the players on the team and if he's talking about his philosophy there i hope there's execution with it that's the thing it's like okay you're saying the right stuff it's if a player walks up to you and

says i'm going to score 50 goals this season go do it then and now if that player's name if that player's name is david kampf you say you know what let's temper expectations but if it's matthews we're into it right right and now it's about execution that's what i'm asking for out of this guy i didn't like the hiring because i didn't believe that this guy's the one who can execute these things but he's saying the right stuff and now it's a matter of you got to deliver you need buy-in and they it faded throughout the season oh boy did it ever i think it hit a point where that win in winnipeg and scott lawton's doing the ear thing to the fans and they're doing the the crying gesture to the fans there was a point where i was like they might actually be back on track

the edmonton win edmonton win when they went on their winning streak uh to go into the olympic break yeah and they went on toronto and then western road trip and the leaves hung up the phone and said we're not calling anyone oh do you remember and things were rolling uh going into the break and that win streak ruined their season dakota joshua legitimately ruined their season was on uh the leafs nation podcast the other day and he said one of the things that bit them last year was the fact that they always believed that they would turn a corner and just never did and there's that's that's a little bit of overconfidence i think right you've got to be aware that it's not just a given yeah right um but the the buy-in the spirit that i think he's

talking about is around i think it was i think it was in march when this team doesn't care anymore does not care and they were getting back in that anaheim game and it was great and it was led by austin too like people forget about that it was a comeback win for the leafs that was spearheaded by austin had an awesome game and austin was a key part of the comeback and it was a moment where we were like oh there he is there's that guy there's that guy who we've been looking for all season and we're worried he's not there anymore and he shows up and he gets hit willie's arm goes up riley doesn't move carlo doesn't move cowan's a rookie yeah there's no spirit in that and apart from not sticking up from each other and and and fighting

and whatever he's right like the first thing to go is the feet like you don't care anymore or you don't believe in the direction or you don't like what your coach is telling you the first thing to go is the feet you see the shoulders slump when they're skating off but it's it's their feet yeah the panthers believe vegas did vegas never stopped never stopped carolina believe the effort with the skating and the other thing from last season that you were on that you didn't find funny but because it was funny at first and then you didn't find it funny anymore was neilander and berube and they're tough they're little tiff at practice yeah where he's telling him to shoot and then Nylander goes and he whips a shot

and he goes over and he laughs at him. Like you see that shot. And Berube didn't find that funny. And Berube didn't find that funny. It was like kind of a chuckle moment. But then you were saying, I don't find that funny either. Yeah.

Like I'm telling you to do that because you suck compared to the standard that we need you to be at. And we suck. You scored a goal at practice. I'm not, I'm not laughing actually. I'm not. And I know that's hunking chopped.

and stupid and grumpy and lol mad um it is flatly frankly true it's not how the best teams operate and you can't have a coach in there who's having that relationship with his players so if Jim Miller's coming in and not being what Craig Brube was by the end of it and mid-season like then it's already a plus up yeah if you make 11 and a half million dollars I have to tell you to shoot we got problems yeah yeah you know what i mean uh the next one i want to get to jesse is a luke fox question at 13 24 um i'm not going to tell you what it is but it's a good question and what's what's interesting about this it ends at 15 32 so it's two minutes long just over is john shaka jumps in on this answer and i want you to pay particular attention

to what he says at the end of it because i think it's illustrative go ahead four set go ahead luke congratulations jim um you know this team has a couple superstars in their prime in in austin and willie and i'm just wondering how much if any conversation either you or or john had with them uh about this hire during the process immediately after and jim how you expect to maximize those guys offense well i'll go first and then uh i haven't talked them at all um i think as you guys know this has been a you know a relatively um uh tight process and i think we've kept that very very tight as far as you know talking to just keeping it between a very small group of people i look forward to talking to them there's no question um you know

you guys know that i spent a lot of time with those guys when they were breaking into the league as young players i have great great respect for them i love to see how they've have matured and evolved and everything they've accomplished in the game so far since I've left them and uh and I'm sure um I'll be getting to them very very soon yeah I would just add you know um more broadly every candidate we we had um we spoke to as many people as we could be as we could so you know between current players if the coach was currently coaching uh former players equipment managers massage therapists basically anyone that would return a call we called to get a background on on the candidate and Jim was no different and again you know what separated Jim

was clear that you know the players that had been around him you know really valued who he is as a person they really felt like they could trust they had that he had their back they felt like he was committed to making them the best versions of themselves and and that he was you know a coach that was going to be player centric um but also you know coach the coach uh he pushed he wanted the best out of people and he was creating an environment that that created that brought that out so um you know again that wasn't just specific to jim in terms of the diligence but uh it was jim as well it was a similar approach he also says in the press conference on top of that to our players this wasn't a hire to just check a box so those two comments together i think are interesting

and you know to address it's weird for a gm to address the players through a zoom call yeah you know in a press conference i think he's trying to send a message because again the matthews thing is still technically up in the air i hate to remind everybody of it but it is true i mean until he signs an extension which he well no no but steve he still hasn't told them i'm 100 committed although he apparently likes what's going on as he should and it's Something that can change. Something that can change. I mean, after the way this season ended, it's difficult to blame anyone for not having questions, including him.

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Terms apply. Moving on to the rest of the league while we have time, because we don't have a lot of time. um guys would you rather take darren radish 30 years old at 8 times 8.5 or john carlson who's 38 two years times 11 each that's apparently what you might be getting 10 or 11 million dollars it's looking like the east coast and with the darren radish trade this morning we know philadelphia is interested the other name that might come up is tampa so what do we think well okay i have a question uh a question to answer your question

would you rather give john carlson two years at 11 mil or get him for less than a full season at eight mil but you also have to pay a first round pick yeah i was i was talking to zach cavanaugh about that i think they were disappointed he doesn't want to stick around and now the pressure's on to keep truba and apparently truber wants to come back to the east coast too because i'm on the side of it's just money if if anyone should be emptying the clip it's the ducks what they got a lot of young defense i think they're gonna well yeah oh sorry sorry in terms of money yeah i think the tampa trade doesn't look great in retrospect because i think that's the 15th overall or no no 17th pick 18th pick whatever it is it's not great but they did get

to the second round yes made millions of dollars yes and he had a great effect on minchikov yeah valuable experience for that ducks team i don't i don't i mean it hurts a bit but you shouldn't hate it yeah i don't know i think you got a good point with like that's a lot to pay up for a guy who's not sticking around because usually when the first is involved he signs an extension yeah the money who cares tampa should spend the money tampa is like i think some people are like oh they're a florida team they have a lot of money um and headman is still a bit up in the air and radish is gone and he was such a huge part of your team okay who's the best offensive defenseman available it was radish i i think it's john carlson so you think tampa should sign carlson

two times 11 like even if it becomes a problem it's two right exactly that's why the two like i didn't i don't find it crazy i know some people are looking at some sticker shock with carlson but i think he's still a really good player i like i liked the deal for anaheim at that trade deadline and he was great i thought it was really good yeah and like you said he was good for them it's just that like i if you're gonna pay that price he's got to stick around so i don't i think he's gonna be worth that 11 million dollars for two hey you want john carlson and you get to the second round or you want justin falk and you miss the playoffs yeah because they were both rough also worth price worth noting he pushed lacombe off the top power play unit john carlson was

running the top power play unit which and they you needed to give lacombe the rest they had a duality in that like like joel quinnville has enough offensive firepower that they had two very good units so i'm not to i'm not it's not like a leafs where it's like we only have these five players who can play the power play and uh the rest of you bums sorry you're gonna get 20 seconds at the end of the power play they would do one minute one minute but it jackson lacombe is phenomenal and john carlson was the guy they moved into that spot i streamed seven tampa playoff games i couldn't tell you their second unit because they you don't need to know they only use the first one yeah well because it was either the first one scored or they just never

lost the zone it's going to be point it's going to be kucherov it's going to be hagel it's going to be radish but now it's carlson yeah they they go out and get him uh and i know i'm missing someone uh it's it's a really really really good it seems like a good fit first unit don't worry too much about the second one um chris johnson said yesterday that uh with the larkin project in detroit uh things seem pretty quiet because the red wings are probably or have already probably gone back and said yeah we're gonna need more teams than that yeah that's eisenman just going yeah no uh so i just wanted to mention that you don't have leverage here you you have five years left yeah give us a large it's funny sometimes a and no trade clause can give you less leverage in

in certain instances if you're being tight about it um the edmonton oilers uh are cleared to hire mike babcock basically it looks like that's gonna happen the story about this once it gets written is gonna be fascinating yeah so i don't know why or how or whatever but it looks like it's gonna happen uh berube apparently rumored dj smith may go there as well although some people are connecting dj smith and jim hiller as they should berube to edmonton there is rumor there are rumors that Berube might go in there... As an assistant? Potentially, potentially.

Really? Potentially. The statement yesterday from the NHL, the National Hockey League today released the following statement regarding its investigation of Mike Babcock. The league has completed its review of Mike Babcock's tenure in Columbus

and of certain alleged conduct associated therewith. Our investigation has concluded that even in a light least favorable to Mr. Babcock... Mr. Cox. mr babcock there is no current basis to restrict his employment in the league there you go what does that mean so if you look at the evidence in the worst way one more time the league has completed its review of mike babcock's tenure in columbus and of certain alleged conduct associated therewith our investigation has concluded that even in a light least favorable to mr babcock

there is no current basis to restrict his employment in the league which i interpret let me know if you interpret it the same way to be sure he's a dick but he didn't do anything wrong yes if we look at this in the possible worst way what he did still shouldn't keep him out of being employed wrong might be the wrong word yeah yes yes and you had strong feelings about this in relation to columbus agreeing to buy him out of his contract they they they messed this up so royally it's so like listen you shouldn't if mike babcock before he was hired by columbus while he was hired by columbus and after he was 74 days hired by columbus 74 that's insane 74 days was the same person the whole time yes once okay i'm of the

opinion they should have never hired mike babcock but they did but they talked to his friends and they talked to his friends his friends said that he was a good guy and his friends said hire my friend uh that's what they said at the time yeah they should have never hired him they did hire him and then when he was a bit of a jerk which is the thing he does yeah he spams the jerk button yep could have phrased that different but that's what he does you better believe he saw he just spams the hell out of that jerk button he's always jerking it this guy anyway took all the subtlety out of it they should have never hired this guy but then like you get pressure from like a like chicklets and like stories come up the majority of those babcock stories were out there already

yeah i think i i don't know why i i don't think we know that story yet i think he did do something legitimately where the columbus blue jackets are like we can't employ this guy i i i'm on the side of they made the right call at the time yeah and i think and i think chiclets were on to something and i think that surprised a lot of people i think the blue jackets probably did well after making the decision that they shouldn't have done they made the decision that most i think decent people would have made and they're like we're not going to employ this jerk to be a jerk here's the problem um the league is run by jerks and jerks are up at the top and you wanted this jerk like you said he wasn't this isn't a new person over the course of the 74 days yeah he was always that person so

if you wanted that go that direction is what you're saying i know i'm not uh uh the most favorable with vegas golden knights fans right now do you think vegas makes this decision absolutely not build them a stat they hire someone and if you have a problem with it they tell you to fuck yourself yeah and they stay with that decision and they win with that decision and they go nanani boo boo the whole time and they're right to do it but what if you're in the winning business doesn't want to be that team what if they don't want to be that kind of organized they wanted to be that team 74 days ago and then they they got the opportunity to backtrack on it after they saw what that made them you're allowed to change your mind and i don't fault them you're

allowed to change your mind but most of us are not allowed to change our mind if it costs our employer millions of dollars you know what i mean like most of us what was it yarmo or was it don waddell i think it was yarmo it would have been kekalainen yeah kekalainen and so the guy cost his team millions of dollars or whoever made that decision and then they go on to newer and more lucrative employment within the same league that you made that decision in what like what i am saying because i don't want anyone to misinterpret this as does steve want like is steve sticking up for babcock no i'm again steadfast wouldn't have hired him in the first place but once you made that decision even if he's a jerk to adam fantilli or whoever

you have to stay with that decision no you don't no you don't because if he pisses off adam fantilli and adam fantilli wants to trade on a market that's impossible to get players in he's gone and he's pissed off your best young player yeah and you don't do that in a dumb way yeah that's why i'm saying i agree you fucking fire him no you don't goodbye goodbye and and you shouldn't have hired him in the first place which i think we can all agree on yes but buffalo sabers fans and i'm thrilled for their success or whatever i'm just going to tell you yarmo's not a good general manager and never was and i hope for success for him in buffalo he seems to have a loaded deck of cards which is awesome that's great he got them all to play for him

Yeah, and way, way better than he ever had in Columbus too, right? Got them all to play for. But let's not pretend that Yarmou assembled that group. He didn't. He didn't get anything done being able to spend to the cap and having full organizational autonomy where the owners were like, just do whatever you got to do for 10 years. Didn't have a particularly great trade deadline.

No. No, it would have been like Logan Stanley and Luke Shan. No, the one asterisk I put on that is Sam Carrick was a really good fit and then they didn't really have him. Yeah. But I'll just tell you, Yarmou's not a good GM. And until I'm proven otherwise, and I'm always open to that, I will maintain that Yarmou's record in Columbus was at best less than mediocre. If I were to, if it would be like my, my math grade was still higher than Columbus's success rate under Yarmou Kekalainen. That's the truth. So yeah, I'm not surprised there

was chaos there. They should have hired him in the first place. But at that point, Yarmou's in his desperate years right it's the end and if i piss off adam fantilla and he asked for a trade out he doesn't want to play for babcock the way cutter goche didn't want to play for tortorella in philadelphia i'm fucked so you move on from the coach blue jackets fans i don't want you to take this the wrong way i think it was a small market team buckling in the light uh no other relevant team in this league makes that series of decisions well uh the edmonton oilers just did uh or at least part of them and like this is the thing adam they fought to hire him they have hired him and they're gonna stick with it they will not fire him in the next 75 days oh i know

that i know that i'm just saying they i think i think columbus made the i completely disagree with your assertion i think columbus made exactly the right choice mike babcock they and they interviewed like two people they talked to mike babcock's neighbor who happens to be ken hitchcock it's like oh man that's so crazy like it's just fucking they didn't do any work and can and then who has clout within columbus as well yeah for some reason so it's not just about babcock he has clout within columbus now we got to move on to some other things because we don't have a lot of time uh sergey bobrovsky uh saw all the six-year deals that were handed out last year and he wants a six-year deal as well he's 37 but i think he's gonna be 38 this season he wants

apparently one of those delicious brad marshand six-year contracts that'll take him till he's 42 43 42 million dollars is apparently what he's asking for six years 42 mil florida's gonna do it i don't think they are i think they're gonna get connor hellebuck oh shit that's what i think is gonna happen you dylan larkin i'm sorry you're not going to florida connor hellebuck now wait a moment you can have connor hellebuck who's younger than bob not by a He's younger than Bob. He's younger than Bob and doesn't make a ton more, though. Eight and a half.

And he signed for three or four more years. Oh, it's eight and a half? It's eight and a half. Do they have the assets to give to Winnipeg? That's a good question. So here's what's fun about that. Kevin Sheveldayoff's brutal at this. So yes, they do.

That's not fair. It's a little fair. Extraordinarily fair. It's more fair than he deserves. I'd be more concerned if I was a Jets fan and I get a bunch of draft picks back, that's when i'd be really concerned that's not because they can't draft what draft picks well i i know florida i don't know what i think they have some but i don't want they have a first

round pick this upcoming draft because they retained it in the black off oh yeah but that's kind of it for first so so that's gonna be a part of that's gone next val manis is gone 28's gone the first sam iscavage is gone i mean maybe that's do we just make the trade i think we did what what do you do what is your trade sorry i was trying to read the draft uh the chicago first is this chicago or who is it florida oh they were oh the ninth overall pick sorry yeah the ninth overall pick sanders valmanis mackie samuskevich geez can you do better than that daniel tarasov maybe you throw in i don't know i don't know i don't know about this man i don't know about this that's what i'm saying for for someone who's supposed to be year in year out of top five

goalie in the league i don't i don't think this uh this trade's getting done with florida i just don't think they have enough now the last time winnipeg so i you know what vegas will also be after this because after carter hart's performance in the thing i think you try to if you try to do it i hate hard and fast rules when it comes to pro sports like for example if you give up the best player in a trade you lost the trade um pierre-luc dubois was clearly the best player in the trade between winnipeg and la they got four i think it was four roster players back or three roster players but they did really well and they wrote that to i'm pretty sure a president's trophy they wrote it to a couple really good seasons if you were able to do that with florida

uh great i just don't think florida's front office is the same as la's previous front office that made that deal case in point bill zito is sitting on a porch right now looking at a stanley cup ring on each finger and rob blake i think took a lesser role with was it nashville i think rob blake was the one who made that pierre luke dubois yeah he's in nashville's front office now yeah yeah man like uh uh by the way jamie jamie langenbruner is joining uh chris mcfarland in nashville that was just announced while the show is happening so interesting yeah that was rumored that's a really interesting front where does hellebuck play next season uh i think it's be vegas or florida and i think i'll bet on florida can i can i guess it's interesting as hell so the

question to me is where does brodsky end up and boy it'd be fun if it was edmonton i know it won't be but boy that'd be cool can edmonton get uh hellebuck i think from what drag said he wants to be traded south of the border okay so it's not gonna be him but well i i've seen this for Why is that with everybody? I've said this to a couple of years now. I mean, the American team, the American Olympic team had a devastating effect on American players in Canada. Fellas, I think there might have been some tampering.

Yeah. We've been saying this for a couple of years now. One of these days, a top 20 goalie in this league is going to go, you know what, I'm just going to go win a cup in Edmonton. Like, you're going to decide to win a Stanley Cup, and no one's made that decision yet. No one's decided to win a cup. you're going to win a cup you're going to the final man like you're I think you could have a

disappointing year and finish in the final four and no one's doing it I'm shocked I guess I'm not shocked because Bobrovsky seems to want to make the same decision that everyone's making but it's one of these days someone's going to be like I'm I'm just going to go win a cup with Connor i'm trying to think of other teams where hellebuck would make perfect sense i mean there's all of them most of them it's gotta be a place you know what i think right new jersey they need that's interesting there you go they're gonna move markstrom and you've got jake allen tied up forever and ever i'm in but he's fine as a backup i got into such an argument with drew he's like oh the leafs from markstrom i'm like no i'd rather stop me the leafs are not

gonna get marks from drew's just trolling you he can't give you 100 another one i think new jersey i think you're on to something that's a good pick that's a good pick what about pittsburgh interesting very interesting apparently pittsburgh and edmonton are talking darnell nurse too i'm i'm curious about that i i don't know i mean they i think they're happy with their goaltending but if you can i'm sure you could convince connor hellebuck to want to play with sydney crosby for a couple of years but if i'm him i want the assurance that when sid retires in a couple years that you're going to trade me somewhere else too and does that give you the best opportunity to win a cup if you're connor i think i don't know like dubas is trying to build

it so they're a contender very soon right he's trying to bridge that has to you didn't have you didn't have the better goalie against philly no not at all or goalies no yeah so you know what i I don't hate that. Utah. A lot of guys were here and love Utah. That's a new destination. But I like Utah's goalie. Yeah.

How much better does it make them? But or I guess you get the depth. Could could it? I mean, listen, I was making four, seven, five till 2030. Maybe if it milk is part of the trade. Yeah. Maybe you're sending him back. I got a thought.

and and you know we always go here uh san jose's got one they need two uh but askarov is not going to be thrilled in his last year of his deal if you go get connor hellebuck what isn't that the reason you have him yeah well you want him to be the situation right but he's never but he hasn't done it yet jesse it's been two of those three years and he hasn't established himself so he had a good year but the reason you have him is the situation in nashville that's what i'm saying want to be behind uh uc sorrow so i don't know if that's yeah he he had an 884 and 47 games at a certain point in san jose you have to say okay well it that's awesome but you haven't shown us yet oh wow sorry that you're upset about it but come in and take the net then right you do have

to take the damn net i they've given him an opportunity they have now their defense is ass do the panthers care about getting old no like no you might be able to win a cup of hellabuck you know what you can win one with bob you've done it twice yeah and you what you but at that money can they do it you gave the deal to bennett you gave the deal to marshand you gave the deal to everyone else oh you know who we should have thrown into the package to winnipeg is potentially uh carter verhage but no he has trade protection he's not gonna go oh yeah no no yeah i think bob stays i think bob stays okay the way more exciting outcome is he doesn't but carter hard connor hellebuck um uh uh especially you know because like mitch got a lot of shit for how his performance

was always in late c late series and until the finals he was awesome in late series um connor hellebuck also gets a lot of shit about his performance in the playoffs so having him going to vegas oh yeah and with a great defense i mean that's a better defense than even the 2017 jets had who lost to vegas you're not going to be scoring a lot of goals against vegas golden no you're not people forget like a large reason why bruce cassidy was fired besides the fact that he lost the room he probably wouldn't have lost the room if they ever stopped a puck which they didn't do all season long they didn't stop a puck no matter who was in that and they wouldn't have fired the coach because they would have been in a way stronger they

wouldn't have been on the verge of missing the playoffs if they stopped the puck at any point during the regular season. Yeah. Which they didn't. On the Winnipeg Jets thing, it looks like Jonathan Tays is going to retire or announce his retirement today.

Nobody's really surprised by that. He didn't play great last year, but I respect the fact that he came back. Yep. Last thing, do we have time for the two-minute

Kelly McCrimmon rant about why they're so great? Yep. Because I need to play this clip. It has to make it into the show, and then I got to get your responses, and then we will wrap up. All right.

Has to happen. Steve's going to be upset. Now, go ahead. I think people have a hard time explaining why we win as much as we do. We've been to the Stanley Cup Finals three times in nine years. And it's interesting, we went in 2018, 2023, 2026. And what that tells you is that's three completely different teams. You know, you've heard it all the way through those nine years, all the expansion rules were so favorable.

Well, Seattle Crockett had the same expansion rules, right? And everybody says, oh, well, everybody wised up because of how well Vegas did. Well, I would argue that Seattle had almost three years to get ready for expansion. We had 11 months. When Seattle did expansion, the cap pressure across the NHL was completely different than it was when we did expansion. Valid. You know, some people like to explain, you know, the first part of our history based on that. Then people think it's because we had Mark Stone get back surgery just for fun in February, right?

For me, it's jealousy and people are uncomfortable admitting that we've done a hell of a job. That's what I honestly think, Chris. Players love playing here. You talked to our players yesterday. Our players love playing here. Jack made the point there wouldn't be a player in the NHL that had Vegas on their no trade list. So the organization treats their players fantastic. The organization gives our players every resource to be the best that they can be as a person and as a player.

And it's a great city to live in, as you all know. It's easy out here with traffic, lifestyle, all of those things that go into it. But all those players would tell you the number one thing is they have a chance to win. They have a chance to win. So when you hear that a person from another organization is interested in coming to Vegas, the first reason they're interested in coming to Vegas is because we win. That's why they want to come to Vegas. because if that wasn't the case you can go back in the history of you know tax-free states and

sunny locations of some teams that struggled for years and years and years that nobody wanted to go to so first and foremost people come here because we try to win they like being on teams that try to win there's teams that there's players in nhl that are on teams that i don't think the players are confident the team will win so that's uh that for me uh is uh is how i see it can we can we start over and i'll just cut you off let's let's start over trust me on this one i think people have uh a hard time explaining why we win as much as we do pause we've been to the stand what are you talking about people have a hard time explaining how the vegas golden knights win what are you talking about what are you blathering on about everything from the rest of the clip

what people have a hard time explaining that the Vegas Golden Knights are in on everything and everyone says that they're in on everything they're full of good players people want to play for them because they win he's going through their resume that is publicly available and everyone knows what it's not 2017 anymore it's not 2018 anymore this isn't the team where mark andre flurry has to bail you out every night and james neal's the only one score while james neal and william carlson that's right james neal yeah james neal's the real deal is getting both goals in your debut it was a 2-1 victory i believe he gets both goals and who is this guy from columbus who people have a hard time explaining what are you talking about it's delusional and i talked about

this with eichel's quotes no team in recent memory has ever been more arrogant in defeat they you lost you lost a and he's doing everything and his body language is very telling dead into the camera and dead at the reporters the whole time the whole time and then he looks down he goes i just think it's jealousy the reason you look down is you know that's complete bullshit vegas does so many things well and everyone gives them credit for doing so many things well in terms of the mark stone cap manipulation that you're talking about yeah some people have a problem with it but it's nothing that other teams haven't done before look at tampa you know oh you know tampa's just doing whatever they can within the rules and then during

the the cup parade which was really a cup regatta nikita kucherov is on a boat wearing a shirt that says 17 million dollars over the cap like they know what they're doing right and you're not the first team to do that and you're not going to be the last you're just the latest one in a list of smart teams to do that and win a stanley cup with it you're in on every trade you've done a lot of good things people also hate you for completely legitimate non-hockey related reasons and no one on vegas will admit that and that's why i don't want to hear from anyone on vegas eichel talking about uh you know no one's on the vegas isn't on anyone's do not trade list and people have a hard time they're talking out of their ass because they know exactly what we're talking about

and i think no matter what their bluster is they've had a couple restless nights about it you think so even though they went out and they did it even though they went out and they did it i think part of them has still had a couple rest i don't think they know probably don't i think the majority of them they've had more than a couple nights yep but i think every now and then even if they can't admit it to themselves they know exactly why we don't like them the vegas golden knights and kelly mccrimmon act like they're the first ever team to be good at hockey and i gotta tell you you're not oh you're a leaf fan and the leaf socket yeah okay fine Tampa won without the entire world hating them and when they did hate them

it's because of the cap shenanigans who hated Colorado who hated probably Vegas probably Vegas who hated the 2023 Golden Knights well people said yeah they said the same thing about Tampa this isn't this is another thing you won a few years ago and you point this out you knew it you won a few years ago the vitriol towards the 2023 golden nights was nowhere near the vitriol towards the 2026 golden nights what changed well we know we know you disingenuous arrogant dork but i'm their fans will love that and that's what he's doing he's playing to the fans you know that okay he doesn't care about you he doesn't want you to like them okay but the only conversations i want to be a part of are the honest ones

okay and and kelly mccrimmon is you're gonna have a hard time in hockey yeah i know i know and that's why it's our job to come on here and be like well you're a liar right and uh i'm not interested in hearing from jack eichel i'm not interested in hearing from kelly mccrimmon i'm not interested in hearing from anyone on the vegas golden knights until they are willing to have an open and honest conversation about why people don't like them it's not because they're good at hockey you're not the first ever good hockey team relax jesse does that mean we can't i guess we're talking about 31 teams next year i don't know do not talk about do not talk about it's gonna be the arizona arena situation again yeah when steve used to walk out and leave when we

talked about the coyotes getting a new arena well just that was boring it was boring that's true at least the gold knights are interesting you gotta give them that very quickly steve because we gotta ago you went to the world cup ghana versus panama and you said it changed your brain chemistry go very quick it completely changed my brain chemistry like i was on the verge of tears like after the anthems just the the ghana fans losing their minds the panama fans losing their minds it was honestly life-changing to as a hockey fan right so this is not going to be news to a lot of you, but as a hockey fan, I was at a sporting event where absolutely every single person in the stands had blood in their veins. No one shut up for the entire game. It was louder. Hockey has

loud pops, but it was loud throughout. And every single time any team got a scoring chance, we make fun of soccer for being low scoring it was it was one nothing every single time the ball got close to either net it was deafening in the building youtube invited me there and i'm so glad uh that they invited me there it was a great experience uh but i think it's going to make my youtube videos better it like it changed my perception of sports it changed my perception of uh sports are fun which is our thing up there at the top um a world cup game is unlike anything i've ever seen before and i've been fortunate enough to see some pretty special games across sports uh and it was panama and ghana and and i got news for you that game wasn't played in either of those places

it was electric it was electric on the way to the game it was electric during the game it was electric after the game that was a show and a performance unlike anything i've ever seen in my entire life and i'm throwing the olympics into that i'm honest like this is going to sound so weird but like my life as a sports fan it's it's a little bit of bc and ad after seeing that game that's great it's it's gonna completely change how i operate going forward there you go well steve dangle big golden knights guy after seeing the world cup jesse let's fire that extra big ghana guy uh and we get to the kessel ring trade on monday yeah we we can of the things though no well we referenced it briefly jesse did a great video on it if you know i want to talk

about how mike greer traded a paper clip for michael kessel ring but we'll get there yeah we will get there damn straight jesse unless the Leafs make another trade then we won't sorry the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete